CWK Show #842: Adam Christopher Discusses Star Wars Master of Evil

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joins the show. It's always great to have Adam one
and he talks about Master of Evil, the brand new
novel focused on the great big bad in popular fiction,
Darth Vader. So pull up a chair, grab your favorite mode,
and let's have coffee with Kenobi. It's not often you
get to talk to a world famous Star Wars author

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the day their book is released, but we are in luck.
We are talking with returning guests and a good friend
of mine, Adam Christopher, the best selling author and the
author of the brand new book Star Wars Master of Evil,
starring our favorite cuddly villain, Darth Vader. Adam, welcome back
to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Thank you so much for having me. What an introduction.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
My goodness, yes, well, you know, I got to bring
up the big guns for you. Look, last time we
had you on the show was for Star Wars Celebration Europe.
So much has happened since then, obviously. How how has
life been treating you since Stars Celebration Europe?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Good? That feels like one hundred thousand years ago. Uh
when was that twenty three? My goodness? Yeah, well I
think that's right.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, So we had Star Wars celebration in Japan this
year and I remember that was announced that in Europe,
thinking it was so far away, and then of course
it came and it's gone. It's been but yeah, they've
been good, been busy, been writing Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Books, Yes, signing Star Wars books. Talk about you've fosto
something great on social media where you got to sign
quite a few. What was that experience like?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
That's well, it's really good. We're talking about this before
we recorded. But that was a thousand copies of Master
of Evil for Goldsborough Books, which I'm sure people know.
Goldsborough does collectors editions. They specialize in you know, first
they they have a store where they sell first editions

(03:55):
and stuff and they've got things like first edition Agatha
Christie and first edition signed Ian Fleming books, James Bond.
It's crazy. That's cool. But they do their own publishing
things so that they do these limits editions. There's a
thousand copies of us people, which is actually a lot
of books. Like it's a it's a plot of books.

(04:23):
You know. The photo that you're talking about was me
at the end, leaning on this enormous pile of books.
Like it's good. It's good because like it takes all
day and it's actually quite hard work. But what in
honor to be able to do that that there are
a thousand people who want to sign coffee, which is great.

(04:44):
You know, I did it for Shadow the Sieth, so
I knew what I was. I knew what I was
getting into when they asked me to come down to London. Yeah,
it was good, and of course they do lovely. The
edition is like it's got black sprayed, which is with
a kind of design, and they're really they're nice state here.

(05:05):
They'll tricked out special stuff. So it's really cool that
Star Wars gets things like that.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Oh, I think it's amazing and it's like it's like
a living testament to your hard work and the excitement
that this book is generating. So before we actually jump
into Star Wars Master of Evil, I love to talk
about your writing process for a book like this. What
does the prep like and do you craft an outliner?
And you just kind of jump right in.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
For any kind of like this, whether it's Star Wars
or whatever kind of license to work it is, there's
always going to be an outline because I just need
to know the story that you're going to write and
then it fits with whatever else they've got going on.
You know, I am only one part of a kind

(05:52):
of cogi, a big machine of storytelling, especially something as
Biggert Star Wars as you know. So, yeah, so I
was an outlined and I always do very long outlines
because I figure it's kind of going to serve us
all better in the long term, helps me if I
know what I'm doing, which is not actually where I

(06:13):
left my own stuff. I think maybe it's because I
do a lot of a lot of license work. If
I do my own kind of books, it's really just
a skeleton and an Excel sheet, like a list of
things that are going to happen. Yeah, And I think
you know, Master People was a long time coming. I
think it was a Shadow of the Sith came out

(06:35):
June twenty twenty two, I think, and then June twenty eighth,
and then like the next day we were talking about
Darth Vader. So it's been yeah, yeah, a couple years lost,
but yeah, so outline and then you just kind of
go for it. I was quite lucky that I had

(06:56):
quite a lot of time for the Spoke, which is
again luxurid. I don't often have that with licensed work
because again it's a whole, the whole production thing that's
just very fast and very intense. But I love doing discovering.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I mean, well, you're you're very good at it, and
we're very lucky that we have we have you in
the full telling the story of Darth Vader. And it's
pretty interesting because Darth Vader, naturally, as you know better
than anyone, he's a complex character. There's been a lot
of said, a lot written, a lot done about him.
So what through a challenges did Master Evil pose for
you compared to other novels you have written in the past.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, I mean I knew that it was going to
be a book. It's gonna be Darth Fader book, which
is kind of two things. It's like, it's a book
that's got Darth Vader and he's one of the main characters,
but it's also a book about Darth Vader. Someone compared
it to Dracula, like Drake Killer is a book about Dracula,

(08:03):
but we don't you know it's it's it's title of
the book, and he's the main character. But we also
see Dracula, well, we'd mostly see Dracula from the point
of view of other people, because it is Dracula's presence
in the story and how other characters see him and
react to him is what tells the story. And I

(08:24):
knew for Darth Vader that that was the same kind
of thing, because we can't understand what it is to
be Darth Vader because the you know, the physical and
mental transformation goes from Anakin to Vader beyond our comprehension,
like it's a it's a total transformation. So that makes

(08:49):
Darth Vader for us the other this kind off is
different to us, so we can't understand what he's going through.
We can see what he's going through and we can
get like inklings of that and we do that through
not only his point of view, because there is his
point of in the book, but also the point of
view of other characters around him, because that is the

(09:13):
mystery of Vader, which again that's a core thing of
this particular book because it's set just after Revenge of
This when the empire is is new, and what we
don't realize, what we forget. Sometimes at this point, no

(09:36):
one knows really Invader is, or what he's doing, or
where he came from. The Jedi are gone, the public's gone,
the empire has started. Everybody knows that Palpatine's chancellor. He
had this terrible confrontation of the Jedi, and you know,
survived and is now the emperor, but everything around that

(09:57):
is still a mystery, even for those who are within
the kind of imperial machine. So it's super important to
kind of tell that, to relate that to us as
the audience, and we do that through a character like
in this book, Goth He's a royal guard because he
can get the closeness to the imprint into Vader and

(10:21):
we can see what he sees and how he reacts
to these changes that have taken place in the galaxy.
So kind of I knew, Like I knew that from
the beginning before I even kind of wrote anything. It's like,
that's how we're going to do it, because there's a
lot of I mean, you know, Vader is the main
character of Star Wars. He's arguably the main character of

(10:43):
at least part of the Star Skywalker saga, certainly the
most popular character. And he's interesting because, like, not only
is he such an iconic character, personality, whatever you want
to call it, with an Star Wars, he's one of
the most iconic characters of all time within pop culture

(11:06):
for us, you know, for the last nearly fifty years.
And it's almost because he's become so y big at
us and so familiar to us that it was super
important to get back to the two things, get back
to the mystery of him, but also the kind of
scariness of him because we don't even remember now, but like,

(11:29):
you know, when he first appeared in nineteen seventy seven,
in that first scene when he storms into the ship
and it's like hands on hips and looking around in
the storm trippers. I mean, obviously I wasn't there, but
like he is so weird looking and scary looking, and
like nothing we've seen before, and we kind of forget

(11:50):
that now because everybody knows South Vadia and it's so familiar.
So imagine that in that kind of well from the
point of view of the Star Wars universe itself, and
how characters like goth and like others at the time
would see Vader. I mean, imagine being in the you know,
the Emperor's throne room and you walk in and there's

(12:11):
Vader standing there. It's like the kind of reaction that
you'd have in the well, in the reaction that Vader
is designed to elicit, because like, there's a reason why
help a tine put him in the armor that looks
the way it does. Everything is a purpose which we forget,
which I wanted to bring back. So it was always

(12:34):
going to be that kind of book where, let you know,
less is more. Vader's presence is felt in the book
even when he's not on the page, and in fact,
when he's not on the page and there's no spoilers,
but there's a bit where he kind of goes off

(12:55):
for a little bit and then comes back. But like
his absence in that pile of the story only serves
to focus the attention on him, Like he's such a
powerful presence that anyone he's not there, that's all everyone's
thinking about. So it was always that kind of book,
like it's it's a Darth Vader book, and it's a

(13:16):
book about Darth Vader, which are two things. We both
see Vader's point of view and we don't see his
point of view. But this is the whole thing. Less
is more, and the more you be mystifying about Vader,
the less interesting it becomes.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I agree with that, and it's so interesting that you
mentioned Dracula earlier. I taught Dracula for years and that's
a terrific book. But it really is more about his
presence because he's not featured in a lot of the book.
He's only in a handful of chapters directly, but his
presence has always felt so as you said, it's the

(13:59):
whole lesson is more concept in another aspect where it's
silar to Dracula. Now that you mentioned this, I'm so
glad that you did. It's opening up my mind a
different kind of ideas we have. Dracula's Solubick was just
like Vader, but we are through no fault of our
owns because of the popularity of both of them were
desensitized to them to a degree. So you go back

(14:20):
to the beginning. People when Bromstoker wrote that book had
no concept. He wasn't in grocery stores, he wasn't on
Scooby Doo. He was a brand new concept. So he
was scary. So that is what Master of Evil does.
It takes us back to the beginning in universe of
what it feels like to have this intimidating you know, iron,

(14:42):
you know, black clad, armored, being this force of nature.
And I feel like Master of Evil encapsulates that through,
as you said, a perfect vessel and a royal guard
because the proxy they have, the proximity they have to
Vader in the for it's just so perfect. And that

(15:02):
makes me think. Obviously, before you wrote one word of
Master of Evil, you've always I'm assuming you've been drawn
to Vader. So is there any other part of it
you haven't mentioned so far that you found so interesting?
Then when you found out I get to write a
novel of Vader, you thought, oh great, I can't wait
to explore x.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah. So there's two things. Maybe, first of all, and
you kind of see it a bit in the shadow
of the Sith is like, I really like it with
the dark side of the Force. There's a real like
mysticism about the way the Syth view the Force, which
tune I do have as well, but like obviously in

(15:44):
a cold way, but it's much more it was Obviously
it's darker with the Sith, like they know the power
of the Force and what the Force is capable of,
and they're not afraid to pursue that power kind of
no matter the cost, whereas the Jedi have a kind

(16:07):
of different view of like, well, the forces this and
it's very powerful, but they kind of not only treat
it with respect, but there's a there can be a
distance between them and the Force. They're kind of keeping
this almost barrier between them, whereas the Saith like that
doesn't matter because like they're after power and the mysteries

(16:28):
of the Force. But in terms of storytelling, that means
you can do kind of dark, ritualistic sort of things
with the Earth, which I think is really cool. So
I was looking put to do that again. I did
a little bit in Shat of the Earth because there's
a you know, adjacent character going on. The thing that

(16:50):
fascinates me about Vader and it wasn't until the Obi
Wan TV series really emphasized it was. I always had
difficulty reconciling Anakin, Skywalker and Invader as the same person
because like, we see so much of Anakin's which is

(17:15):
like the Clone Wars animated, we see we now have
so much of good guy Anakin, and then you got
James L. Jones voicing David Prowse as this enormous Invader.
So it was a difficulty kind of like marrying the two,
and the only one TV show for me it was

(17:35):
the first time where it was like, yeah, it's actually
Anakin in the suit. And again because it was Hayden
Christensen and although we'd seen it and animated things like
you know, his mask gets damaged and you can see
his face beneath the face plate, that was the first
time we saw it in live action. And the way

(17:56):
they blended you know, Hayden Christians from the voice and
James L. Jones in those sequences, that was finally like
the realization like, yeah, Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are
the same person underneath. So, especially for the book because
it was set it is set right after Revenge of

(18:17):
the Sith, like literally days after despite Vader's efforts, there
is still Anakin skywalker in him. And I think some
people have said they've seen a couple of sequences where
the flashes of Anakin within Vader and then it kind
of comes and it goes. So for me, that was

(18:37):
really interesting how much of Anakin is left and how
there's this version of Vader different to the version that
we see in the original trilogy, which is twenty years later.
The other thing, also, like Revenge of the Fifth and
then Master of Evil, Vader is a young man actually,

(19:01):
which is kind of mind boggles. Yes he's is he
even thirty years old? I don't even know. And you know,
you're going on the basis of Howard was Hayden Christensen
when he filmed Revenge of the Sith. But yeah, and
before about the mystery and the enigma of Vader and

(19:22):
what he's supposed to, what reaction is supposed to bring
out in us. And when I was writing the book,
I sometimes the book covers come early, sometimes they come late.
They sent me the cover while I was still writing it,
because it's like we found this amazing piece of artwork,

(19:42):
and people know it's already it's a pretty existing piece
of art, which the artist then kind of read it
and enhanced for the book cover. And I got the
covers like this is this is just wild. It's like
the best Star Wars book I've I've ever seen, and
that it's like it's so it's actually terrifying. But then

(20:04):
you think, but it's almost terrifying. It as Darth Vadier
and you're almost gonna laugh. It's like, well, yeah, Darth
Vader is he's so pervasive in our consciousness that you
don't even think about what he looks like. But look
at the cover. I was like, oh, yeah, actually he's
he's a nightmare. He's like he's a monster, and we

(20:26):
sometimes forget that. So the cover really helped when I
was drafting to like mm hmm, maybe I'll turn the
dial up a little bit on the darkness. You turn
it up a little bit on the horror aspect and
kind of go with it. And yeah, and then in

(20:46):
the cover to this, I mean even now you know,
I've been looking at it for a year, but like
it's such a good cover and it's well and like
it's doing so much work for me, which is really great.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Ah. That that's cool. I love that you get to
see it in advance, because that is, in my limited experience,
is very very rare. But what isn't rare? And one
of the things I was most excited to talk to
you about is to me, one of the most compelling
aspects of your work is how you constantly breathe life
and the lesser known characters in Star Wars, specifically imperial

(21:22):
and first Order leaders like your buddy General Pride. So
what is it about these military leaders that you find
so interesting and how do you make each one individual
stand out without falling into an archetype.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
It's funny the three short stories I wrote for the
from a certain point of view, anthology is all imperial yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Type.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
But that was coincidence, Like the one Return of the
Jedi was the General Pride story. Yes, because Pride is
my he's my guy. Well because I you know, as
everyone's plaper Richardy Grant and the Rise of Skywalker and
that's my favorite actor, so it's like I've got to
use him. I managed to get him into Shadow of

(22:13):
the Sith somehow. Yes, So yeah, so Prides Pride's my guy. Yeah,
it's kind of it is a I think it is
a coincidence. That the others have been imperial. Obviously for
Master of Evil, it had to be imperial because gives
an imperial book. But what we need to realize is

(22:36):
that it's an evil empire, but it's it's it's complicated.
Nothing as ever so black and white, And especially in
Master of Evil. Uh, you know, goth is one of
our main point of view characters, and like he's you know,
he's a career officer and he's now in this elite

(22:58):
position of being a royal guy. Is a commander of
the War Guard, which is like a really great honor
and it's a recognition of his service. And certainly he
thinks the empire is a good idea because it's going
to bring peace and order, and you know, the Republic
wasn't working, Jedi were corrupt. He's very he's happy with
how the war went. That's fine, but like it's also

(23:23):
it's more complicated than that, because the transition from republic
to empire is not instantaneous, and part of his journey
in the book is learning that. Then the situation is
way more complicated than he thought than he thinks, especially
when he's ordered to follow Vader and this is not

(23:45):
a spoiler. But at some point Vader ignites a lightsaber
and Goth is like, WHOA, hang on a second here,
because way away the Jedi dad the lightsabers were burned.
He was there. Goth was like, he helped all then
he cleared out the temple and all this kind of stuff.
But Vader has a lightsaber, and Vader is the Empire,

(24:06):
the Emperor's enforcer, so what is going on? This is
not how I thought things were supposed to be, not
as black and white. So he, you know, he makes
discoveries and realizations and I think he changes a lot
over the course of the book. You know, he's a

(24:28):
him and he has a droid TC ninety nine, and
like they are my favorite characters because they're just their
journey they take. This is really good, like it's the
friendship and they've got a strong bond. But like, you know,
things happen in the book and God has a journey
to make and he has questions that he wants answered,

(24:50):
and he finds the answer and then it's like, wow,
maybe that was not the question you just spared to ask,
which sounds super pretentious, but like that's what, No.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, So I think Yeah, So bearing in mind that
like the empire is big and that there are lots
of different things within it, then crafting characters like goth
it's not not easy, but it's enjoyable. If you think
of all the characters that we've met in the movies

(25:21):
and especially in the TV series, actually look at and
or You've got, you know, part of Gears and Deirdre
on the Imperial side, Yeah, they're villains, but I could
have watched the whole show of the ISB just doing
their job because it was so it was just good

(25:42):
TV because they were characters. And even though it's like,
yeah we've seen imperials, they all wear white uniforms. It's
all very clinical and meschinations of evil empire. But like,
if you craft good characters, then no matter what side
they're on, they kind of they've become interesting to follow. So, yeah,

(26:05):
Gough is he's a good person. Maybe he has the
wrong he's a wrong idea. He's a good person, but
also there's wrong ideas. Yeah, he comes to a few
realizations as this on.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
I mean, I think I could argue that in many
ways he I'm not gonna say he steals the show,
but I think One of the challenges about writing a
Star Wars novel is people crave, of course the legacy characters,
but then you put a new sine like some white

(26:42):
goth and asdroi TC ninety nine. And when I find
myself as a a guy, you know, obsessed with Star
Wars like many of us, and I find myself as
drawn to Goth as I am Darth Vader, did you
know you have done your job as an author. And
I think he is a really compelling, interesting character, what

(27:04):
the unique story to tell. And as I said, he
doesn't fund these archetypes. I mean, there are certainly things
there that are building blocks of creating a new character,
of creating a good character that works within the context
of a structural narrative that's already well established. But I
like that, and I'm not going to say what they are.
But his struggles physically and internally psychologically, I think one

(27:28):
of the reasons that draw and helped to magnify who
Vader is to that's just sort of an English teacher spin.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh no, yeah. And it's like they're parallels, very obvious
parallels between his journey and the book. In Vader's Journey,
they're both on a mission to answer certain questions, and
they think they're hitting towards the answer that they expect
that maybe actually the answer is this is going to

(27:59):
also say pretentious are the truth is within them? You know?
They kind of they they both realize where the answer
is and what the answer actually is, which is which
is character and which is storytelling. Ye make a good point.
It's like you have a legacy character like Vader or

(28:19):
leux Karwaker or whatever that people have loved for nearly
fifty years and have grown up with like their whole lives.
But if you've write a book somehow, you have to
have an original character, original characters that are brand new Tony,
brand new, no one's ever seen them before. They've got

(28:40):
to co exist with these extremely famous characters that people know,
not only co exist, but like they have to be
as as compelling and as entertaining and as interesting as
someone like Vader, which is one of the huge challenges
writing in a franchise which is as big as Star

(29:05):
Wars and as long lasting as Star Wars. But then
again that that's the challenge of Tians and I think
if you can do that, then as you say, hopefully
that's the kind of the job done. And again it
goes back to the whole thing of like less is more,
especially with Vader, because thinking about it, like you the
best scene for me, for a lot of people probably

(29:27):
not the best sing favorite scene of something like Rogue
one is the very end when Vader appears in the
corridor in terms of lightsaber on and like kills everybody,
and it's like it's it's like he's he's the villain
and he's like doing a bad thing, but you're also
kind of it's kind of cool but kind of bad, Yeah,
kind of cool. The thing is, the impact of that

(29:49):
scene is is such because it comes after or because
the culbination of two hours of Rogue one, which is
a really good movie. You can't have a two hour
movie of Vader Cordal scene because there's no point doing that.
You diminished the impact it has by doing something like that.

(30:14):
And we've got a lot of Vader and comics and
a lot of Vader and other things. And because you know,
novel is so much deeper, the longer deeper you can
get into real kind of themes of the Star Wars universe.
You have to know when to hold it back to

(30:34):
you have to know when to hold it back to
get that rogue one corridor scene, which is you know,
so important. But Goth is part of that that as well.
It's like you have to have a character like them
who can carry a lot of story, and you know
we're seeing it through we're going on his journey as
well as Vaders. But again they're both not the separate artist,

(31:00):
but like we're telling the same story.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Really, yes, and their paths, as you say, without a
funny thing where there's there's some there's essentral aspects that
make it important for them to be kind of share
this novel in many ways because of some of the
questions that that he's going to have.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Plus there's of that whole dichotomy of I am in
the confidence of the two most evil, powerful beings in
the universe and I can't make either of them mad,
so that that's I can't imagine what that's like. But
I mean, I think that's why you have to read
Master Reveal because it does walk that line beautifully. Let's
talk about another new character who is also share some

(31:47):
narrative weight for very different reasons. What can you tell
us about the Shaman.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Well, again, the Style Wars universe galaxy file away is
bigger than we know, and it's more complicated than we
know because it would be, which also means the Force
is more complicated than we know. And I love the
fact that I can do things like introduce new facets

(32:16):
of that, new aspects to stuff which we already think
we know inside out and back to front. So yeah,
the Shaman of Diso is a force sensitive amen who
was revealed to have quite a long legacy of kind
of on this planet, the kind of the generations of

(32:41):
the shaman that protected the temple, and you know, he
has an encounter with Douka at the beginning, and then
he during the Clone Wars, and then of course later
when it comes along. It's just a really fascinating thing
to do. It's like, yeah, what's another aspect of the force. Like,
it's not darks and it's not light side. We've seen

(33:03):
it in Star Wars obviously, you know, which the death
of Air and stuff in the Acolytes the Soka Ben Do. Yeah, Bend,
it's not all dark side. Lightside said, because it's complicated.
The galaxy is complicated, the Force is complicated, So yeah,
it's cool to be able to do something like that

(33:24):
and then have it kind of intersect with what we
know as familiar star wars, you know, the symphm. It's
curious because later on with the Shaman, his wife and
daughter are also characters in the book. And when they
come along, the daughter Anusha, has some forcibility, which also

(33:48):
Zoon knows about obviously recognized, and her husband was Sharman.
But the whole relationship to the force is different two
Fading or the Jedi. The whole attitude towards it is different,
which is really very cool. And I could do some
sort of you know, I could on the planet d

(34:09):
So create a new not but the mythology, a new
a new aspect of the force we've had. We've got
all kinds of horse bits and pieces so headed that
it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I agree, And I thought, wouldn't it be cool there
was an action figure of this guy? I would love that.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah, what's funny, because I have like whenever I do
any books, it's well, especially maybe Tians, I always like
to like reference images. I try and find actors or
costumes or designs and things just to give a little
bit of a mood thing and I've got them for
a new shirt, zoom and insultly Sharman. Yeah, that'd be

(34:59):
that'd be very cool, big three of them and go off.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yes, that would be all, especially because.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Good place it. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
And you know, I mean even like in nineteen eighty
three that when we saw the action figures for the
for the Emperor's Royal Guard, I mean that that was
just such a cool character. So it's neat to have
someone behind the mask that we can think about and
identify with. And finally, I guess I could certainly talk
to you for hours about this, and we have on

(35:32):
many occasions about lots of things. But what did writing
Star Wars Master You will teach you about Darth Vader
that you might not have considered before. I always tell
my students the best way to learn about something is
to teach it or to write it. Now you've written
a Vader book. Did you learn something new about him
from this process?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah? I think I did, because certainly, now if I
look at especially the original trilogy I watched, that Vader
feels different. Now. You know, Master Evil is set nineteen
years before a New Hope, and in that gap in

(36:13):
the middle, we've got comics. I've got some books, We've
got the Obi Wan TV series Vader Immortal Game. It
is actually quite important one because that continues the theme
of like, you know, Vader trying to seek not immortality,
but like the promises that Palpatine made about reaching beyond

(36:34):
death kind of thing. You know. Master Evil is where
that begins. This is the start of that journey. If
you say that it is always doing this, it's always
looking for he's always trying to overcome death. It's like, yeah,
that's his character, but like it starts somewhere, and it
starts in Master Evil, in his timeline. It's the beginning

(36:56):
of everything, and it kind of sets up where Vader
goes in the future because we're obviously we as fans
have that unique position where we know where it's going.
So to do some of that masterpaverer where I can
kind of point, I can steer the ship in that
in that direction. It's really cool. But yeah, somehow Vader

(37:18):
is different now. I think for me, when you yeah,
when you're watch a New Hope, not necessarily intentional, but
definitely definitely have the realization of Anakin and Vader as
the same person and the whole thing like Vader killed Anakin.
It's true, but also not true, and we know that

(37:41):
because Vader obviously ultimately redeems himself at the end, but
he's returned to being a figure of out of a
nightmare for me. And that's what I think we'd forgotten
sometimes not always, some times, and we remember hopefully with

(38:04):
the book likes very home.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Listening to coffee with Kenoby, you are with Dean Zi
the podcast you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
This is.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
What an awesome thing, What a cool gift to give fans,
and what a cool gift to give to yourself, both
as a creator and a writer, and but also as
a massive fan of the Star Wars franchise. Well, Adam,
I can't thank you enough for joining us again on
coffee with Kenoby. I definitely make sure everybody, if you
haven't already done so, make sure you go out and
purchase Master of Evil and let us know what you

(38:43):
think about it, because it's it's gonna s burn a lot,
it's gonna foster a lot of intelligent conversation about this
character in this franchise. Adam, is there anything else that
you have that you're allowed to share that it's coming
in the future.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Well, I mean I write other stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Of course, let's hear about it.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Well, it's funny because, like if you like the kind
of darkness that I put in the things that each other,
the set or Master Revieval. I've got a book coming
in March Ween Tweens six called crawl Space, which is
a science fiction horror novel. So cool, surprised, Surprisingly, I'm
staying true to form. Perhaps, yeah, but it's that nextent.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
That's gonna be awesome. Want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
That well, Adam again, thank you so much for being
on coffee with Kenoby. Is there anywhere that people can
reach out to you on social media if they want
to say hello?

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, I'm on Instagram as Adam Christopher Writer and a
mon Blue Sky is Adam Christopher Me, which is also
my website. But yeah, you can find all those two
places perfect.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Well, thanks again, my friends. Great, it's great to talk
with you.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Cool. Thank you so much for having me on again.

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