December 30, 2024 • 48 mins
In the latest episode of Columbia House Party, hosts Jake Goldsbie and Blake Murphy discuss Hawthorne Heights' 2004 album The Silence in Black and White. We almost said their debut album, which would only be kind-of true, as A Day In The Life changed their name and jumped to Victory Records for this successful next step. Find out more about why Ohio is for lovers, how Hawthorne Heights stand out as a dividing line between pop-punk eras, play a YouTube algorithm game with the guys, and more on this week's podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
The distance, and my heart's the sand flowing through the hourglass.
Time to let go of all we know, break our
hearts and stride with the latest episode of Columbia House Party. Jake,
what's up, man, You're ready to break some hearts. You're
ready to let it all flow through the hour glass,
let go of all we know.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Look, that's kind of what I do every day, so
I think it's only right that we do it here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If you're out here breaking hearts every day.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Not really, I don't know what that meant. But yeah,
I am ready. It's I'm ready. It's okay, I am ready.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm good. I mean, it's good as one can be.
I suppose I've been called grumpy today by my wife.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you got outed on Twitter
for being grumpy.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I feel like grumpy gets conflated with like quiet these days.
I don't care for it. I won't stand for it.
I will fight my reputation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I like that you say these days as if you've
seen more than one person in the last two months
to call you grumpy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Also very accurate.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, so today we're discussing a two thousand and four
album that came at sort of the back end of
the pop punk boom that we've focused on on this podcast,
with a band that in my mind sort of marks
a transition between eras or ages. This is the official
When this song comes on during Emo night at Sneaky De's,
(01:56):
you notice how old you are relative to the rest
of the crowd. Today we're talking about the debut album
kind of from Hawthorn Heights, The Silence in black and white.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Let's go down now, into the darkness.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Of your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Urrea, up down, We're waiting for fast Fall about paces down.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Looking.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
In your life, Silence, loud love falling flo She walks,
dolls the lines.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I'm outside of your window you.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Oh, I'm a young.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I'm young, I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Whis so that song is Nikki f M Jake. I'm
gonna open it to you. Do you have any Hawthorn
Heights connections? I know this is this is not a
Jake band. I have been with you at Sneaky Emo
night way back when when their big song came on
(04:04):
and got a no cell from Jake. You are, to
my recollection, not a not a big Hawthorne Heights guy.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, So we've done a few episodes on the show
where it was like I listened to the album for
the first time, Like Lil Wayne, I had listened to
the Carter three front to back before. This might be No,
this is the first band we're doing where I've never
(04:33):
listened to the band before that moment or that time
the song came on that you're referencing at Emo Knight.
I'm sure it happened. I sure don't remember it, but
it wouldn't be enough to say that I have no
personal connection to this band, because I couldn't off the
top of my head until the one, two, three, four
(04:57):
five songs that were covering today, I had never listened
to this band in.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
My life, not even the big one.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
No, I'm like, wow, I just missed them entirely. And
then I think they never crossed my radar, sort of
in my going back to get into this kind of
stuff a little bit later. So I have nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
This is why I think they're interesting. And when I
said they're kind of like the dividing line age wise,
you know, you and I are only two years apart.
I dated someone a few years ago who I think
was four years younger than me, and we were at
Sneaky's for an Nemo night once and she was a
huge Hawthorn Heights fan and like popped for their songs
coming on the way You and I would pop for
(05:37):
a motion city soundtrack song or a take You Back
Sunday song or something, And like, in doing this podcast,
we've been asked the number of times if we're doing
Hawthorn Heights, and I've kind of been like really like,
like that's a little surprising, and then you dig in
and I think the enormity of that song had like
(05:59):
I think guy underestimated it. And then I think also
that if you remember way back to a mail Bag
episode when we got asked, what does someone who doesn't
know what emo is think emo is like? And we
talked around like something corporate and Tom Delong's where are you?
And I'm so sorry. I feel like Hawthorn Heights maybe
(06:23):
at this time before before we started to get some
really good screamier post hardcore slash emo stuff, they were
what people who had no knowledge of the scene thought
a scream Oh band was. And that's not fair to
Hawthorn Heights or to scream O because they're, like, I mean,
(06:43):
at their core, like a pretty soft like power punk
band kind of, I guess, and like more recently like
just a rock band. But they obviously had the kind
of unclean, screamy vocals.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Anyway, maybe that's what it is, because, like I've talked
a lot about sort of my own say personal Uh,
what's the word I'm looking for. Contradictory hypocrisy is what
I'm looking for about. How when I was like sixteen
seventeen ish, when this album would have come out, I
was very much like, oh, this is too emo or
(07:21):
screamo or whatever. I hate that stuff. Meanwhile, I was
going and listening to Black Parade and commit this to
memory every day. But I feel like anytime I've ever
heard this band referenced, I feel like they're definitely in
that category that I, probably, to your point, unfairly put
(07:42):
them in when I was younger. So I never really
it's not even that I didn't like it, it's just
that I never even listened to it. Yeah, in my pretentious,
dumb bullshit, there was something in me being like, oh, no,
that band's not punk. I don't want to listen to
some nonsense like that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now, look you've done We've done that a lot with
your you know, early tastes and like you've had to
come back around on bands. I don't think this is
one you're gonna have to come back around on. Like
it's I really just find them not to We obviously
don't want to do an episode and be negative about
the group. And I liked I liked this album, and
I like some of the songs on this album and
(08:23):
even some of their their earlier stuff under it under
a different name where it's like a lot more raw
kind of emo pop punk. But I just find them
fascinating with the amount of times that like they've come
up in conversations on Twitter or with you know, at
shows or whatever with younger people. I guess shows isn't
the right word, maybe festivals where there there does seem
(08:43):
to be a split where for some people Hawthorne Heights
was maybe they're their gateway into this type of music,
and I was not that, Like I think, I don't know.
I think maybe there's an age gap or or something
like that, or just like a off somewhere in there.
I don't know. We'll play around with it a little
(09:05):
bit as we get into the history of Hawthorne Heights
and that big song that we keep tiptoe around that
everyone obviously knows and is waiting for us to get to.
We're also going to play around with the YouTube algorithm
a little later. We're replacing our final segment today because
Jake hasn't listened to any other Hawthorne Heights albums, and
(09:27):
there is such a very clear song that's going on
the mixtape here to where it's already in the spreadsheet.
I already jumped the gun and put in the spreadsheet.
So we're going to use that segment to play a
little game with the YouTube algorithm. First, we're going to
talk about Hawthorn Heights. Who If you were back in
the emo slash pop punk LimeWire scene around two thousand
(09:48):
and two, you may have known by a different name.
We're gonna talk about that after this, all right, So, Jake,
(10:08):
let me ask you when you were when you were
listening and diving into this. Did you hear the Beatles influence?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No? Was I suppose? Was I supposed to?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No? No, But it sets me up for the first
point in the history of Hawthorne Heights. I went in
two thousand and one in Dayton, Ohio. They were originally
formed under the name a Day in the Life, which
is a reference to me as a day in the life.
They released a demo, an album, and a six song
(10:42):
EP that was later re released. There is some disagreement
in the band on why the name changed, so there
are some sources, including drummer Aaron Buckiarelli. I think I'm Boociarelli.
Maybe apologies to Aarin if I mispronounced that on one
of the band's DVDs. He claims the name was changed
(11:05):
after author Nathaniel Hawthorne, and that was long thought to
be the origin. If you look on like Band Names
Explained or sites like that, that is what gets the
most credit. However, in a Hawthorn Heights homeschool YouTube session,
Matt Ridenner explained that he passed the hotel called Hawthorn
(11:26):
in in Suites and liked it and decided to add
a E and heights to it from there. Sadly, Jake,
the band name is not an homage to Pierce Hawthorn
in the Hawthorne Wipe s Empire.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They don't have a pocket full of Hawthorns.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, they do have a song with just as silly
a name, though, as you might expect from a band
in this scene coming up. Around the time of two
thousand and one to two thousand and three, they had
some fallout boyish titled song names as a Day in
the Life include being this one. Do you have a map?
(12:03):
Because I'm lost in your eyes?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Were young?
Speaker 7 (12:19):
You said you don't want to see you.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
As your guys said, sass stand on.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
This very sad. Yes do mom.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Mo me he yo, okay, just say I love you
way too much? Hu that said he anything, it's sad,
canny day.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Spread said to last day, please sacks all back, remember.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Last dance, please Sack.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't remember if I talked with this when we
did take him back Sunday. But did I mention what
I inwardly referred to as Buffalo bands when did that episode?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I don't think so, okay, So I have a grouping
of music in my brain that is not official and
is not cataloged. It's this thing. When I hear it,
I'm like, that's a Buffalo band. And the reason I
call it a Buffalo band is because I have a
lot of family in Buffalo. So my family and I
used to drive to Buffalo a lot, and when I
was a teenager going anywhere in the car for more
(14:30):
than seven minutes meant popping my headphones in in the
back seat and listening to stuff. And there's like a
period of time I'm gonna say, from like fourteen to sixteen,
let's say thirteen to sixteen where there is a I
guess i'll be early two thousands emo sound that was
(14:53):
very popular with some bands, like Taking Back Sunday, and
not so popular with other bands. And just like random
crap you find either on lime Wire or at the
back end of the punk show or something, and they
all kind of sound the same but not the same.
And it's hard to explain because this is just the
thing in my brain, But any EMO band that kind
(15:15):
of sounds like this song or kind of sounds like
Taking Back Sunday or brand New or.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, there's definitely some early brand new on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah. So I call those buffalo bands because they make
me think about sitting in the backseat of the car
driving a buffalo, trying out these new bands that I
just like come across.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And here I thought you were gonna go down the
buffalo emo wrote with cute is what we aim for records,
But I guess that was you predated.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That I did, but like they're also not not in
that grouping.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, there's certainly adjacent anyway, I really liked that song.
I went back and listened to as much of the
A Day in the Life stuff as I could, and
and I mean, I'm never really gonna be in favor
of a band name change. They probably had to in
this case, but I would. I mean, those two the
(16:09):
first two albums I think are like the A Day
in the Life one and their first one is Hawthorne
Heights are maybe any maybe not better. Better's not the
right word because it's really raw and like not super
produced and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I like it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There are a couple of good songs on there. It's
a much more kind of like you're getting to like
a more early two thousands emo punk sound, certainly less
of the screaming that would kind of come to define
their sounds.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So J. T.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Woodruff is their primary vocalist, and there's that back and
forth on the Silence in Black and White with Casey Calvert,
who's the person who does the kind of unclean vocals.
So they released their A Day in the Life debut
album and EP on Confined Records. Then for this one
they jumped to Victory Records. So obviously Victory Records is
(16:57):
you know, they're kind of along with Chris Waller, kind
of in the old Columbia House Party Hall of Fame.
We're going to get into. There's a note a little
later about the Hawthorne Heights and where they stand at
Victory Records history. That is pretty interesting. So going to
that label allowed them a bit more time and experimentation
in the recording process. It's clear you can hear the
(17:20):
growth and the sharpening up and the better idea of
what their sound was going to be. Also, the album
was primarily produced by Sean O'Keeffe, who was still on
his way up at that time. Sean o'keeff is probably
best known for being the producer behind Hey There, Delilah
by Plain White Teas. At this point, he primarily worked
(17:40):
on a couple Motion City soundtrack splits. He'd done some
mixing for Less than Jake, and he produced on Take
This to Your Grave follow Boys album that proceeded from
Under the Cork Tree. So O'Keefe very much hands in
the scene at this point. So one of the weirdest
(18:01):
things about this album, actually, you know what, I'm just
gonna put a song clip here instead because I want
to hear. I want you to hear what the the
Early Hawthorn Heights sound was as they I guess I'll
say early Hawthorn Heights because they were no longer a
day in the life. And this song is the first
one they wrote for this album and kind of through
that new recording and producing process. This is called the Transition.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
So we are back to start.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Dad, China Hide its way to morning, pay your.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Rise and shine.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It opened up your eyes to give this book.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Of color.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Shine on diamond eyes, separate the space between love.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Day Days Gone.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Real. Uh Like NHL two thousand and three soundtrack vibes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh yeah, this one that is a of the time
guitar and drum kind of line there. Also, by the way,
in preparing for this episode, I found the twenty twenty
one version of Remember on LimeWire or naps or whatever.
You would download a song and not realize until it
was on a CD or your player or whatever that
(20:07):
you had got a loop to version and it was
just the same thirty songs over and over again. Yes,
of course worse. It's the worst a fate, worse than death.
So Spotify has an instrumental version of this album, and
I fired up the transition earlier this week and I
was like, damn does I don't like, I do not
(20:30):
remember there being like a two minute musical lead into
a song in the middle of the album. It's not
I was accidentally listening to the instrumental version. Why there's
an instrumental version, I'm not really clear, but there is.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't want to like. I mean, like, artists can
make whatever they want and that's absolutely their progative, but.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Like, oh, you've got a bad take alarm going off?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Who is that for? Who was an instrumental EMO album for?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't know, man, it's unless you're unless you're it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
For like like on in garage band formats or logic
format so people can chop it up and like sample
it as like just an instrumental email. Like I wouldn't listen. Yeah,
Like if a band I like did that, I wouldn't
be interested.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, not the weirdest thing about this album at all.
So the song we played off the top Nicki FM
is very like from the movie Say Anything, right down
to the lyrics. As JT. Woodriff described that song and
its conclusion, this is kind of the overarching theme of
the album. Even though the primary single is like a
(21:41):
darker vibe, the overarching theme of the album is and
this is a quote from GT the answer is always romance, which, uh, yeah,
I don't know, you're asking the wrong thing. So nicki
FM ended up being the second single. But I I
think one of the things that's most interesting about this
(22:02):
band and this album is that it feels big in
retrospect because it does get talked about a lot, and
the main single was huge, and Hawthorn Heights are still around,
like they're they're the self proclaimed dads have Sad, but
there isn't really that like stand out other Hawthorn Heights song,
(22:22):
and there's like they had some songs. And the follow
up album to this one has a single saying Sorry,
which we'll play a little later. That's pretty good and
and got some buzz. But really this is, you know,
looking back, and we can quantify this even a little bit.
It's a it's kind of a one song standout. So
(22:42):
here's some numbers, Jake, We're gonna get into the analytics
for you, okay. On Genius, there are only the two
the two singles are the only ones that show, you
know how on Genius, when you go on the album page,
it shows you how many people have looked for those lyrics,
but it only shows a number once you cross a
critical threshold, So only the two singles cross that threshold
(23:07):
and have the lyric view count, which is in my experience,
a decent indicator of like people check this out because
that's primarily a hip hop based site, but it can
signal some crossover success. The other way we can look
at that is on Spotify, the band is primarily their
one big song with a bajillion plays, and then Nicki
(23:28):
FM and Saying Sorry have a good amount of streams,
and then everything else is like low seven figures, which
is still good, you know, anytime a million more than
I have, Yeah, it's still a million people listening to
your song, but like the outsized presence of one song
on there is is pretty notable. And some of the
(23:49):
low seven figure ones include Life on Standby, which I
think is a pretty good opening track and Silver Bullet,
which I like as a song, but it's it's I think.
So we'll talk about how this was received as like,
like they got roasted a little bit for some of
their cheesy lyrics. Silver Bullet is the one, but Jake,
(24:11):
let's stop burying the lead. These guys are from Dayton, Ohio,
and you know what they say about Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I've heard it's for lovers.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ohio is for lovers. If you fired up this episode,
you're surely waiting for this song to play. You probably
know all the lyrics, even without realizing you know all
the lyrics. This is the song that we're talking about
that stead Out to Us had the breakthrough success. Is
the one that gets played at EMO night. Is the
one with fifty five million Spotify plays when nothing else
(24:44):
you know, crosses the ten or twelve million threshold for
this band. This is the Hawthorn Heights song. This is
kind of the pop punk ish song of two thousand
and four. This is Ohio is for lovers.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
There, I know it's hurt, feel like I don't caring
of where you are and how you feel. These lights off, passing.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Steels, keep going on.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Sloping down, don't speaking of got enough?
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Way too much?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
Art?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You in a god.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I can't make it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
On my.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Because I come ons and f B.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I can't honestly to night, but.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I because you kill.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know you do You Kill Me Well?
Speaker 11 (26:02):
You got your letter is Dophin.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
Like find gone ye do you kill Me Well?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So as any great stand out song from a genre
as iconic, instantly recognizable opening to.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That okay, yeah, I you know, I would have thought
so for me, Like when we when we were talking
about this, I know the song. The song title is
like more recognizable to me than the song. That makes sense.
I was like, I know there's a big emo song
called Ohio's for lovers, but I expected kind of going
(26:51):
back to it, as you said, it would be one
of those things. It was like the opening riff, like,
I know this song took me a while.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Man, That little yeah that's instantly puts me in a place,
and that place is Ohio Baby. It is so look
this is I mentioned that they got some criticism for
the lyrics and kind of how plain and cheesy they are,
and you do have to get past the cut my
(27:19):
wrists and black my eyes stuff in this song. I
will go to bat for this song as still a
good song. It's got, like I said, a pretty notable intro.
It's got it's the best example of their dual singers
kind of working together. It's got a very memorable course
and as was necessary at this time, a very memorable
(27:42):
and kind of goofy music video. So again I I'll
point out it has fifty five million Spotify plays. None
of the other songs top thirteen and a half million.
It has forty four thousand lyric reads on Genius. Nothing
else tops ten thousand. It is the Hawthorne Heights song,
and it's the height of their popularity. And they wrote
that a little bit, as we'll talk about in a second.
(28:04):
Interestingly enough, despite how you know, I mean, I don't
know how to frame it sensitively, the cut my wrists
and black my eyes stuff. JT has explained that the
song is about leaving partners behind while on tour. Sadly, Jake,
it's not about that time I was depressed in Canton,
Ohio when I was on By the Way this song
(28:26):
we talked about Toronto. Keith producing on this album. This
song also at Jay Orpin helping produce, and he is
credited on his Wikipedia page with an anthem of teen
angst and helping launch this kind of pop is dead
rallying cry of sorts. That's uh, it is the album.
(28:46):
I mean like like, look, did you when you went
into this, did did any of the other songs like
really stand out to you the way ohio Is for Lovers?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Does you know? I don't want to say the customer
is always right, but I think this one's pretty clearly
like the numbers speak for themselves also, but I think
there's a there's a reason. I guess one of those
like popular things are popular for a reason kind of things.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's a good song. I'm still, like I said, I'm
a fan of the Transition and Life on Standby. I
like the album fine and the stuff that came before it,
But for Hawthorne Heights, nothing Richie really touches Ohio's for Lovers,
which is unfortunate because you know, in reading their press
and stuff like that, they seem like nice guys and
the dads have sad is a is a funny tagline.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's a great name. I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But as we're gonna talk about after the next break,
they rode the momentum of Ohio's for Lovers to some success,
but never quite reached that head again. We're gonna talk
about that after this, all right, So ohio Is for Lovers, big,
(30:01):
big success. So at the time that this album came
out Jake Victory Record's highest selling debut.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Album, Really Yes, That's Wild to Me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It hit number fifty six on Billboard. It was number
one on the heat Seekers chart. It eventually went gold.
It was, not, however, received very well by the few
outlets that reviewed it. AllMusic gave it a two point five.
Punk News gave it a zero point five oh five,
calling it too predictable and cliche and just ripping the
(30:36):
songwriting to shreds.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I feel like, also to my earlier point of not
listening to this band, I was a big reader of
Punk News at the time and like a big like,
please tell me what's cool kind of thing, So that
checks out.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
The users of.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Punk News at least liked it and gave it a
composite ranking of three and a half. So don't feel
too bad, Hawthorn Heights. Plus, you got to tour with
Alexis on Fire and Silverstein and Emery, So you got
to tour with two friends of the pod and the
Christian rock band that most snuck up on me when
I was a fan of the didn't who knew?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
With Emery five Iron?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who knew? Then they toured with Sugar cult another favorite
of mine.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So oh sugar color great Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
To follow up from the success of Really, Ohio Is
for Lovers but for the Silence in black and white,
they released if Only You Were Lonely in two thousand
and six that actually hit number three on the charts,
in part because saying Sorry was their most popular single
outside of Ohio's for Lovers. This is saying sorry, if
(31:45):
only you were mooted.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
These colors will now change, change the way I see them.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
These were twelve.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Explain why.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
She keeps her beads.
Speaker 12 (32:13):
She said she's wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
She said to us wrong, she seems.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
So, said gun by Fast the.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Same starry experiences, Stop.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Experiences from there.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Some real tragedy in the band. A guitarist and the
person who does kind of the unclean screaming vocals, Casey Calvert,
was found dead on the band's tour bus due to
an accidental combined drug intoxication. As a pharmacologist told MTV
News that particular mix having that particular result was one
in several million, was related to antidepressants and panic attack medication,
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not you know, substance abuse stuff. The band wrote the
song for Become One about Casey, and while the other
band members will fill in live for his parts. The
band continues to list him as a contributor on albums
and have not added different kind of screamer slash uncleaned vocalist,
saying that if fans want to want screaming on the songs,
(33:45):
they can add it themselves, because they will replace Casey.
To date, the band has released six albums, eight if
you include the one they released as A Day in
the Life and the acoustic anniversary of the Silence at
Black and White. Most recently, they released Bad Frequencies in
twenty eighteen, and as far as I can tell, they're
(34:07):
still together.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So cool for them, you know what I'm gonna say,
that's like legitimately cool for There's so many of these
bands that had, especially in that like two thousand and
four to two thousand and seven emo period, that had
the one massive hit and then that was it. So
good for them for still trucking. That sounds that sounds dismissive,
(34:28):
but I mean it genuinely.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean, look, they haven't had a great deal of
commercial success. Their first two albums went gold, and they had,
you know, some of their other albums charted a little
bit on the US or US indie charts. But like
that album they released in twenty eighteen didn't really do
much zero the one they released in twenty thirteen didn't
(34:51):
really do much. It's cool. I imagine that they really
enjoy making music together. Can't do a lot of press,
so it's hard to confirm that. But yeah, uh okay, Jake,
it's signed to play a game. This is I believe
this is the third game we've played on Columbia House Party.
I think we did the follow up. Boy, can you
(35:12):
guess is this song title real or fake? Way back
when we did the which blinkin eighty two or Blankwin
eighty two? Adjacent band is this? And today, Jake, we're
doing We're gonna play a little six Degrees of scream
Oh okay, So we're doing this because Ohio Is for
(35:33):
Lovers is obviously going on the mixtape. It's already it's
on the mixtape. So we're gonna play this game called
that I made up called six Degrees of Scream O.
So for years I've made the joke that no matter
what I listened to on YouTube, the YouTube algorithm then
suggests or just plays Ohio Is for Lovers next Now
we've covered earlier in this podcast that they are not
(35:55):
a band that I listened to a ton. They're a
band I'm familiar with and likes of the songs, and
you know, Ohio's for Lovers is certainly on some mixtapes
and mix CDs, But they're not a band that I
listen to enough on YouTube to dominate the algorithm, yet
it does. This is any wrestling fan knows that you
(36:17):
can't watch more than two wrestling videos without it being
suggested to you that you watch Simon gott shoots on enzoomore.
This is the pop punk version or emo version of that.
So I looked into this, and according to the Internet,
the YouTube algorithm is a real time feedback loop aimed
to find the right videos for you and more importantly,
(36:40):
to get you to keep watching. So it does use
your user behavior closely. The recommendation process ranks videos by
assigning them performance analytics scores, and then they match the
video to you based on your history and the history
of similar people. So the underlying idea there is that
even if I don't listen to a lot of Hawthorne Heights,
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necessarily a lot of people who listen to the stuff
that I listen to listen to a lot of Hawthorn Heights.
So again, we were kind of coming full circle here,
back to our initial thought that maybe there's a little
bit of a slight generation divide or an age gap,
and there's that separation at Emo Night where half the
audience goes to the bar and the other half freaks
(37:26):
out on the floor. This is going back several years.
I'm too old for Emo Night, even in a post
pandemic world. So obviously there are a ton of real
social and sociological problems with YouTube's algorithm and the way
it works, but for our purposes, it's funny today. So
we're gonna play a little game to explore just how
(37:49):
dominant Ohio's for Lovers is on YouTube for me. By
the way, Ohio's for Lovers has the best top YouTube
comment that I've seen. It is Man Depression was just
better in the two thousands. I mean, So, Jake, I
tasked you with coming up with five different things for me,
(38:13):
and I'm going to see how many clicks it takes
me to get to Ohioas for Lovers. Okay, so the
first the first one you have to give me, and
I hope you prepped because I did. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha,
So you're gonna give me. We're gonna get progressively harder
to get to Ohios for Lovers, and before anyone jumps
in the discorder in our mentions or whatever, I realize
(38:36):
that by clicking on Ohios for Lovers in each of
these instances, we're going to increase the likelihood of it
coming up again. But I'm hoping that that washes out
with the fact that we won't be listening to the
whole song. I'll just be clicking on to the next one.
So here we go, Jake, give me a pop punk song.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay. So I intentionally made this hopefully difficult because I
wanted to see how far it could stretch.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Too difficult, because it's gonna be a terrible segment.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Is so.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
So for the pop punk song, I went with Not
the Same by Body Jar, which is an Australian pop
punk band. This is on a Tony Hawks soundtrack, I believe.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, Tony Hot three. Okay, so I'm gonna click that
all right. From here, I'm going to click Still Into
You by Paramore.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, so that's one.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Oh wow, were there already? Ohio's for Lovers. Wow, Okay,
we went paramore right to Ohio's for lovers. Okay, so, okay,
that's a that's even even for Body Jar. That's a
quick all right.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We crossed Transatlantic, trans Pacific. All of the other ones
are bands we have not covered on this show.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, good, yeah, because Body Jar, right, so you gotta
give me an Emo song now, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I went with I can be afraid of anything but
the world. It's a beautiful place and I am no
longer afraid to die.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
All right, that's a good song.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's a good song.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
All right. I'm gonna go blink one eighty two Adams song.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh, okay, off of their Apple Juice. It's just like
dispenseful like this.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm going cute without the e taking back Sunday
Okay from here, So that's that's two Oh there it
is again?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
All right?
Speaker 10 (40:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
So that Hey, that was one step parter. That was
a good step parter. So that makes sense. And hey
we're that was three clicks. So but at this rate,
if they continue to get one step parder, they'll be
I gotta choose carefully too, because like I was tempted
to click Coheed off of the Blink one A two
one there, and I think that might have taken us
(40:50):
at a different.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I was gonna say, I feel like you gotta tailor
it a little bit to make sure that the algorithm
keeps up.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, I mean I'm doing this strategically, right.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, of course really works segment if you weren't.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, now you're gonna hit me with the indie song.
And by the way, I'm going to do my best
to not repeat songs that I'm clicking. So Paramore came
up again there, and I tried to pick something different.
So I'm gonna try to do that as much as
I can, because otherwise the game becomes can I find Paramore?
And then ohio is for lovers will come up? All right,
(41:21):
so give me an indie song.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So for an indie song, I went with don't let's
start by they might be giants?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
All right, We're gonna go Weezer, say it ain't.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So okay, there's no way it's there right away.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
No, all this part of my language, all the suggestions
are Weezer songs.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
That's algorithm.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, we're gonna go Welcome to the Black Parade and
see if we can get there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Okay, yeah, yeah, we're there. Okay, there it is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
We got We got Ohio's for lovers on Black Parade.
By the way, it's definitely pushing Ohios for Lovers higher.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Now it's just gonna be Weezer and o'hios for lovers
from now on.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
No, what we're gonna have to do next time is, uh,
we're gonna have to open up an incognito or clear
cookies or something like that. Well, we'll continue to go
and see if we could do it. So, now give
me a song out of genre entirely.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Okay, So this song is Inspector Norse by Todd Terrier.
Terryer is t E r j E. Obviously one of
the best electronic songs of the decade.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
We'll pick the official music video where a guy's playing
with his dog instead of the lyric video.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Great video.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh hey, we could get to our we could get
to Enzo Amour and Simon Gotcher. Probably because one of
the suggestions is the Undertaker surprises Kane with WWE Hall
of Fame news.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
There you go. That's odd.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Where are we going here?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
When you said electronic, I was hoping like a scrilex
would come up and I could go first last yeah, yeah,
and make my way back. All right, I'm gonna go
New Order Blue Monday. I don't really know why that's
in the suggestions, but we'll see. If there's songs, yeah,
we'll get our all right, we're gonna go because I
(43:13):
don't want to cheat and I don't want to I
don't want to use Blink one A two again, so
I'm gonna go take a risk here and go Oasis
Champagne Supernova. See if we can get back there. Now,
So that's two. See, there's Weezer again. Now it's just oh, okay,
we're gonna go Bowling for Soup nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That'll get there. I would have to think that would
get I almost actually picked that for the pop punk songs.
So that's nice.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, we're not there yet, but we can go Offspring
Want You Bad.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And I think we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
No, we're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, wow, so we.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Got we got one more again. Keep in mind, I
am skipping some of the ones we've already used. So
like right now, Paramore is up. I know if I
click Paramore we'll get Ohio's right, but I'm not gonna
do that. We're trying, all right, we're gonna go all
time low, Dear Maria, count me in, and we're gonna
that gets us there. Yes, okay, we're there. So that
alm was that almost five? That was the hardest one yet.
(44:11):
This is it's tough. It's uh. I can't believe we
got a wrestling once suggested we could have. I shouldn't
have used the enzo more joke. Early zooms won't be
listening probably, but uh he would pop for the enzo more. Okay, Jake,
Now give me just literally any YouTube video.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay, so the literally any YouTube video is throat exercises
that may help with sleep apnea.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Do you have you been using this lately?
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Is that I actually got I was giving it to
my by my doctor this morning because I snore a lot.
I do not have sleep apnea, but I do snore
a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Is this the one by k MBC nine?
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yes, there are a.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Bunch Okay, yeah, that's the Canby See one.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So it's a news report. Yeah, all right, Okay, A
lot of a lot of yoga stuff, which that's how
you guys know I'm being healthy lately. And a couple
more wrestling ones. I gotta go. I gotta go wrestling
because I think that's our best path to getting back
into our genre of music. So we're gonna go. Drew
(45:14):
McIntyre brings the fight to the Raw locker room. That's
one click. I wonder if I get the Edges.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Entrance music, if I can get back all right.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Edge confronts Daniel Bryan over WrestleMania demands. That's two. Give
me Edges entrance music. I can't believe that they don't
suggest Edges entrance music. You think if you click on.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
A thing of a guy, that's what they do, right,
you would think?
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So, okay, I'm gonna click a different Edge one. How
edges perseverance took him to the pinnacle of WWE mostly
I just lost. Yeah, okay, there we go. So we
got Edges entrance music now, or we got a video
of Edges entrance at Monday Night Raw June two thousand
and seven. His entrance music is an all timer. By
(46:00):
the way, Uh, actually you know what, I'm gonna leave
a little spot in here for producer Dylan to throw
on Edge's entrance music.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do you think you knew me?
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Honest?
Speaker 12 (46:15):
Tame, I see clearly there say this challenge and live
read the place, had a balk and.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Dreams to get me all honest, that's somewhere else of.
Speaker 12 (46:35):
Me face, challenging, live, lot of chall s, chase and dream.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
He's got a cha feel chap.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
On this day.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Anyway, I think I'm going to fail in this one.
Oh we can get to the killers, mister Brightside or
Edges Entrance, that could do it. It did not. It's
pretty much just Paramore on blink one. So we're gonna
come up one click short again if we if we
were cheating the system and could just go to Paramore
(47:32):
a bunch, we would get there. But so we failed
with the throat exercises, which is uh, which is tough
because you know, the the throaty singing on Ohio's for
Lovers is the only kind of singing I'm good at,
and I imagine you need some throat exercises. It's a
natural pivot in my mind.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I think it's uh. I thought that it was
throat related so it might bring some like how to
scream emo kind of things and.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Then wrong, wrong, all right?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So that's it hows for Lovers going on the mixtape
that's going on my YouTube algorithm forever. Now please try
(48:52):
to fish
The distance, and my heart's the sand flowing through the hourglass.
Time to let go of all we know, break our
hearts and stride with the latest episode of Columbia House Party. Jake,
what's up, man, You're ready to break some hearts. You're
ready to let it all flow through the hour glass,
let go of all we know.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Look, that's kind of what I do every day, so
I think it's only right that we do it here.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If you're out here breaking hearts every day.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Not really, I don't know what that meant. But yeah,
I am ready. It's I'm ready. It's okay, I am ready.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm good. I mean, it's good as one can be.
I suppose I've been called grumpy today by my wife.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, I was gonna say, you got outed on Twitter
for being grumpy.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I feel like grumpy gets conflated with like quiet these days.
I don't care for it. I won't stand for it.
I will fight my reputation. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I like that you say these days as if you've
seen more than one person in the last two months
to call you grumpy.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Also very accurate.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, so today we're discussing a two thousand and four
album that came at sort of the back end of
the pop punk boom that we've focused on on this podcast,
with a band that in my mind sort of marks
a transition between eras or ages. This is the official
When this song comes on during Emo night at Sneaky De's,
(01:56):
you notice how old you are relative to the rest
of the crowd. Today we're talking about the debut album
kind of from Hawthorn Heights, The Silence in black and white.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Let's go down now, into the darkness.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Of your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Urrea, up down, We're waiting for fast Fall about paces down.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Looking.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
In your life, Silence, loud love falling flo She walks,
dolls the lines.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
I'm outside of your window you.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Oh, I'm a young.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
I'm young, I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Whis so that song is Nikki f M Jake. I'm
gonna open it to you. Do you have any Hawthorn
Heights connections? I know this is this is not a
Jake band. I have been with you at Sneaky Emo
night way back when when their big song came on
(04:04):
and got a no cell from Jake. You are, to
my recollection, not a not a big Hawthorne Heights guy.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, So we've done a few episodes on the show
where it was like I listened to the album for
the first time, Like Lil Wayne, I had listened to
the Carter three front to back before. This might be No,
this is the first band we're doing where I've never
(04:33):
listened to the band before that moment or that time
the song came on that you're referencing at Emo Knight.
I'm sure it happened. I sure don't remember it, but
it wouldn't be enough to say that I have no
personal connection to this band, because I couldn't off the
top of my head until the one, two, three, four
(04:57):
five songs that were covering today, I had never listened
to this band in.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
My life, not even the big one.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
No, I'm like, wow, I just missed them entirely. And
then I think they never crossed my radar, sort of
in my going back to get into this kind of
stuff a little bit later. So I have nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
This is why I think they're interesting. And when I
said they're kind of like the dividing line age wise,
you know, you and I are only two years apart.
I dated someone a few years ago who I think
was four years younger than me, and we were at
Sneaky's for an Nemo night once and she was a
huge Hawthorn Heights fan and like popped for their songs
coming on the way You and I would pop for
(05:37):
a motion city soundtrack song or a take You Back
Sunday song or something, And like, in doing this podcast,
we've been asked the number of times if we're doing
Hawthorn Heights, and I've kind of been like really like,
like that's a little surprising, and then you dig in
and I think the enormity of that song had like
(05:59):
I think guy underestimated it. And then I think also
that if you remember way back to a mail Bag
episode when we got asked, what does someone who doesn't
know what emo is think emo is like? And we
talked around like something corporate and Tom Delong's where are you?
And I'm so sorry. I feel like Hawthorn Heights maybe
(06:23):
at this time before before we started to get some
really good screamier post hardcore slash emo stuff, they were
what people who had no knowledge of the scene thought
a scream Oh band was. And that's not fair to
Hawthorn Heights or to scream O because they're, like, I mean,
(06:43):
at their core, like a pretty soft like power punk
band kind of, I guess, and like more recently like
just a rock band. But they obviously had the kind
of unclean, screamy vocals.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Anyway, maybe that's what it is, because, like I've talked
a lot about sort of my own say personal Uh,
what's the word I'm looking for. Contradictory hypocrisy is what
I'm looking for about. How when I was like sixteen
seventeen ish, when this album would have come out, I
was very much like, oh, this is too emo or
(07:21):
screamo or whatever. I hate that stuff. Meanwhile, I was
going and listening to Black Parade and commit this to
memory every day. But I feel like anytime I've ever
heard this band referenced, I feel like they're definitely in
that category that I, probably, to your point, unfairly put
(07:42):
them in when I was younger. So I never really
it's not even that I didn't like it, it's just
that I never even listened to it. Yeah, in my pretentious,
dumb bullshit, there was something in me being like, oh, no,
that band's not punk. I don't want to listen to
some nonsense like that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Now, look you've done We've done that a lot with
your you know, early tastes and like you've had to
come back around on bands. I don't think this is
one you're gonna have to come back around on. Like
it's I really just find them not to We obviously
don't want to do an episode and be negative about
the group. And I liked I liked this album, and
I like some of the songs on this album and
(08:23):
even some of their their earlier stuff under it under
a different name where it's like a lot more raw
kind of emo pop punk. But I just find them
fascinating with the amount of times that like they've come
up in conversations on Twitter or with you know, at
shows or whatever with younger people. I guess shows isn't
the right word, maybe festivals where there there does seem
(08:43):
to be a split where for some people Hawthorne Heights
was maybe they're their gateway into this type of music,
and I was not that, Like I think, I don't know.
I think maybe there's an age gap or or something
like that, or just like a off somewhere in there.
I don't know. We'll play around with it a little
(09:05):
bit as we get into the history of Hawthorne Heights
and that big song that we keep tiptoe around that
everyone obviously knows and is waiting for us to get to.
We're also going to play around with the YouTube algorithm
a little later. We're replacing our final segment today because
Jake hasn't listened to any other Hawthorne Heights albums, and
(09:27):
there is such a very clear song that's going on
the mixtape here to where it's already in the spreadsheet.
I already jumped the gun and put in the spreadsheet.
So we're going to use that segment to play a
little game with the YouTube algorithm. First, we're going to
talk about Hawthorn Heights. Who If you were back in
the emo slash pop punk LimeWire scene around two thousand
(09:48):
and two, you may have known by a different name.
We're gonna talk about that after this, all right, So, Jake,
(10:08):
let me ask you when you were when you were
listening and diving into this. Did you hear the Beatles influence?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
No? Was I suppose? Was I supposed to?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
No? No, But it sets me up for the first
point in the history of Hawthorne Heights. I went in
two thousand and one in Dayton, Ohio. They were originally
formed under the name a Day in the Life, which
is a reference to me as a day in the life.
They released a demo, an album, and a six song
(10:42):
EP that was later re released. There is some disagreement
in the band on why the name changed, so there
are some sources, including drummer Aaron Buckiarelli. I think I'm Boociarelli.
Maybe apologies to Aarin if I mispronounced that on one
of the band's DVDs. He claims the name was changed
(11:05):
after author Nathaniel Hawthorne, and that was long thought to
be the origin. If you look on like Band Names
Explained or sites like that, that is what gets the
most credit. However, in a Hawthorn Heights homeschool YouTube session,
Matt Ridenner explained that he passed the hotel called Hawthorn
(11:26):
in in Suites and liked it and decided to add
a E and heights to it from there. Sadly, Jake,
the band name is not an homage to Pierce Hawthorn
in the Hawthorne Wipe s Empire.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They don't have a pocket full of Hawthorns.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, they do have a song with just as silly
a name, though, as you might expect from a band
in this scene coming up. Around the time of two
thousand and one to two thousand and three, they had
some fallout boyish titled song names as a Day in
the Life include being this one. Do you have a map?
(12:03):
Because I'm lost in your eyes?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Were young?
Speaker 7 (12:19):
You said you don't want to see you.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
As your guys said, sass stand on.
Speaker 8 (12:59):
This very sad. Yes do mom.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
Mo me he yo, okay, just say I love you
way too much? Hu that said he anything, it's sad,
canny day.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Spread said to last day, please sacks all back, remember.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Last dance, please Sack.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I don't remember if I talked with this when we
did take him back Sunday. But did I mention what
I inwardly referred to as Buffalo bands when did that episode?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I don't think so, okay, So I have a grouping
of music in my brain that is not official and
is not cataloged. It's this thing. When I hear it,
I'm like, that's a Buffalo band. And the reason I
call it a Buffalo band is because I have a
lot of family in Buffalo. So my family and I
used to drive to Buffalo a lot, and when I
was a teenager going anywhere in the car for more
(14:30):
than seven minutes meant popping my headphones in in the
back seat and listening to stuff. And there's like a
period of time I'm gonna say, from like fourteen to sixteen,
let's say thirteen to sixteen where there is a I
guess i'll be early two thousands emo sound that was
(14:53):
very popular with some bands, like Taking Back Sunday, and
not so popular with other bands. And just like random
crap you find either on lime Wire or at the
back end of the punk show or something, and they
all kind of sound the same but not the same.
And it's hard to explain because this is just the
thing in my brain, But any EMO band that kind
(15:15):
of sounds like this song or kind of sounds like
Taking Back Sunday or brand New or.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, there's definitely some early brand new on that one.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah. So I call those buffalo bands because they make
me think about sitting in the backseat of the car
driving a buffalo, trying out these new bands that I
just like come across.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And here I thought you were gonna go down the
buffalo emo wrote with cute is what we aim for records,
But I guess that was you predated.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
That I did, but like they're also not not in
that grouping.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, there's certainly adjacent anyway, I really liked that song.
I went back and listened to as much of the
A Day in the Life stuff as I could, and
and I mean, I'm never really gonna be in favor
of a band name change. They probably had to in
this case, but I would. I mean, those two the
(16:09):
first two albums I think are like the A Day
in the Life one and their first one is Hawthorne
Heights are maybe any maybe not better. Better's not the
right word because it's really raw and like not super
produced and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I like it.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There are a couple of good songs on there. It's
a much more kind of like you're getting to like
a more early two thousands emo punk sound, certainly less
of the screaming that would kind of come to define
their sounds.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So J. T.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Woodruff is their primary vocalist, and there's that back and
forth on the Silence in Black and White with Casey Calvert,
who's the person who does the kind of unclean vocals.
So they released their A Day in the Life debut
album and EP on Confined Records. Then for this one
they jumped to Victory Records. So obviously Victory Records is
(16:57):
you know, they're kind of along with Chris Waller, kind
of in the old Columbia House Party Hall of Fame.
We're going to get into. There's a note a little
later about the Hawthorne Heights and where they stand at
Victory Records history. That is pretty interesting. So going to
that label allowed them a bit more time and experimentation
in the recording process. It's clear you can hear the
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growth and the sharpening up and the better idea of
what their sound was going to be. Also, the album
was primarily produced by Sean O'Keeffe, who was still on
his way up at that time. Sean o'keeff is probably
best known for being the producer behind Hey There, Delilah
by Plain White Teas. At this point, he primarily worked
(17:40):
on a couple Motion City soundtrack splits. He'd done some
mixing for Less than Jake, and he produced on Take
This to Your Grave follow Boys album that proceeded from
Under the Cork Tree. So O'Keefe very much hands in
the scene at this point. So one of the weirdest
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things about this album, actually, you know what, I'm just
gonna put a song clip here instead because I want
to hear. I want you to hear what the the
Early Hawthorn Heights sound was as they I guess I'll
say early Hawthorn Heights because they were no longer a
day in the life. And this song is the first
one they wrote for this album and kind of through
that new recording and producing process. This is called the Transition.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
So we are back to start.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Dad, China Hide its way to morning, pay your.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Rise and shine.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It opened up your eyes to give this book.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Of color.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Shine on diamond eyes, separate the space between love.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Day Days Gone.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Real. Uh Like NHL two thousand and three soundtrack vibes.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh yeah, this one that is a of the time
guitar and drum kind of line there. Also, by the way,
in preparing for this episode, I found the twenty twenty
one version of Remember on LimeWire or naps or whatever.
You would download a song and not realize until it
was on a CD or your player or whatever that
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you had got a loop to version and it was
just the same thirty songs over and over again. Yes,
of course worse. It's the worst a fate, worse than death.
So Spotify has an instrumental version of this album, and
I fired up the transition earlier this week and I
was like, damn does I don't like, I do not
(20:30):
remember there being like a two minute musical lead into
a song in the middle of the album. It's not
I was accidentally listening to the instrumental version. Why there's
an instrumental version, I'm not really clear, but there is.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I don't want to like. I mean, like, artists can
make whatever they want and that's absolutely their progative, but.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Like, oh, you've got a bad take alarm going off?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Who is that for? Who was an instrumental EMO album for?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I don't know, man, it's unless you're unless you're it.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
For like like on in garage band formats or logic
format so people can chop it up and like sample
it as like just an instrumental email. Like I wouldn't listen. Yeah,
Like if a band I like did that, I wouldn't
be interested.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, not the weirdest thing about this album at all.
So the song we played off the top Nicki FM
is very like from the movie Say Anything, right down
to the lyrics. As JT. Woodriff described that song and
its conclusion, this is kind of the overarching theme of
the album. Even though the primary single is like a
(21:41):
darker vibe, the overarching theme of the album is and
this is a quote from GT the answer is always romance, which, uh, yeah,
I don't know, you're asking the wrong thing. So nicki
FM ended up being the second single. But I I
think one of the things that's most interesting about this
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band and this album is that it feels big in
retrospect because it does get talked about a lot, and
the main single was huge, and Hawthorn Heights are still around,
like they're they're the self proclaimed dads have Sad, but
there isn't really that like stand out other Hawthorn Heights song,
(22:22):
and there's like they had some songs. And the follow
up album to this one has a single saying Sorry,
which we'll play a little later. That's pretty good and
and got some buzz. But really this is, you know,
looking back, and we can quantify this even a little bit.
It's a it's kind of a one song standout. So
(22:42):
here's some numbers, Jake, We're gonna get into the analytics
for you, okay. On Genius, there are only the two
the two singles are the only ones that show, you
know how on Genius, when you go on the album page,
it shows you how many people have looked for those lyrics,
but it only shows a number once you cross a
critical threshold, So only the two singles cross that threshold
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and have the lyric view count, which is in my experience,
a decent indicator of like people check this out because
that's primarily a hip hop based site, but it can
signal some crossover success. The other way we can look
at that is on Spotify, the band is primarily their
one big song with a bajillion plays, and then Nicki
(23:28):
FM and Saying Sorry have a good amount of streams,
and then everything else is like low seven figures, which
is still good, you know, anytime a million more than
I have, Yeah, it's still a million people listening to
your song, but like the outsized presence of one song
on there is is pretty notable. And some of the
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low seven figure ones include Life on Standby, which I
think is a pretty good opening track and Silver Bullet,
which I like as a song, but it's it's I think.
So we'll talk about how this was received as like,
like they got roasted a little bit for some of
their cheesy lyrics. Silver Bullet is the one, but Jake,
(24:11):
let's stop burying the lead. These guys are from Dayton, Ohio,
and you know what they say about Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I've heard it's for lovers.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Ohio is for lovers. If you fired up this episode,
you're surely waiting for this song to play. You probably
know all the lyrics, even without realizing you know all
the lyrics. This is the song that we're talking about
that stead Out to Us had the breakthrough success. Is
the one that gets played at EMO night. Is the
one with fifty five million Spotify plays when nothing else
(24:44):
you know, crosses the ten or twelve million threshold for
this band. This is the Hawthorn Heights song. This is
kind of the pop punk ish song of two thousand
and four. This is Ohio is for lovers.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
There, I know it's hurt, feel like I don't caring
of where you are and how you feel. These lights off, passing.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Steels, keep going on.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Sloping down, don't speaking of got enough?
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Way too much?
Speaker 10 (25:30):
Art?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
You in a god.
Speaker 8 (25:34):
I can't make it.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
On my.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Because I come ons and f B.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I can't honestly to night, but.
Speaker 7 (25:54):
I because you kill.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You know you do You Kill Me Well?
Speaker 11 (26:02):
You got your letter is Dophin.
Speaker 12 (26:08):
Like find gone ye do you kill Me Well?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So as any great stand out song from a genre
as iconic, instantly recognizable opening to.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
That okay, yeah, I you know, I would have thought
so for me, Like when we when we were talking
about this, I know the song. The song title is
like more recognizable to me than the song. That makes sense.
I was like, I know there's a big emo song
called Ohio's for lovers, but I expected kind of going
(26:51):
back to it, as you said, it would be one
of those things. It was like the opening riff, like,
I know this song took me a while.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Man, That little yeah that's instantly puts me in a place,
and that place is Ohio Baby. It is so look
this is I mentioned that they got some criticism for
the lyrics and kind of how plain and cheesy they are,
and you do have to get past the cut my
(27:19):
wrists and black my eyes stuff in this song. I
will go to bat for this song as still a
good song. It's got, like I said, a pretty notable intro.
It's got it's the best example of their dual singers
kind of working together. It's got a very memorable course
and as was necessary at this time, a very memorable
(27:42):
and kind of goofy music video. So again I I'll
point out it has fifty five million Spotify plays. None
of the other songs top thirteen and a half million.
It has forty four thousand lyric reads on Genius. Nothing
else tops ten thousand. It is the Hawthorne Heights song,
and it's the height of their popularity. And they wrote
that a little bit, as we'll talk about in a second.
(28:04):
Interestingly enough, despite how you know, I mean, I don't
know how to frame it sensitively, the cut my wrists
and black my eyes stuff. JT has explained that the
song is about leaving partners behind while on tour. Sadly, Jake,
it's not about that time I was depressed in Canton,
Ohio when I was on By the Way this song
(28:26):
we talked about Toronto. Keith producing on this album. This
song also at Jay Orpin helping produce, and he is
credited on his Wikipedia page with an anthem of teen
angst and helping launch this kind of pop is dead
rallying cry of sorts. That's uh, it is the album.
(28:46):
I mean like like, look, did you when you went
into this, did did any of the other songs like
really stand out to you the way ohio Is for Lovers?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Does you know? I don't want to say the customer
is always right, but I think this one's pretty clearly
like the numbers speak for themselves also, but I think
there's a there's a reason. I guess one of those
like popular things are popular for a reason kind of things.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
It's a good song. I'm still, like I said, I'm
a fan of the Transition and Life on Standby. I
like the album fine and the stuff that came before it,
But for Hawthorne Heights, nothing Richie really touches Ohio's for Lovers,
which is unfortunate because you know, in reading their press
and stuff like that, they seem like nice guys and
the dads have sad is a is a funny tagline.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's a great name. I love that.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
But as we're gonna talk about after the next break,
they rode the momentum of Ohio's for Lovers to some success,
but never quite reached that head again. We're gonna talk
about that after this, all right, So ohio Is for Lovers, big,
(30:01):
big success. So at the time that this album came
out Jake Victory Record's highest selling debut.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Album, Really Yes, That's Wild to Me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
It hit number fifty six on Billboard. It was number
one on the heat Seekers chart. It eventually went gold.
It was, not, however, received very well by the few
outlets that reviewed it. AllMusic gave it a two point five.
Punk News gave it a zero point five oh five,
calling it too predictable and cliche and just ripping the
(30:36):
songwriting to shreds.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I feel like, also to my earlier point of not
listening to this band, I was a big reader of
Punk News at the time and like a big like,
please tell me what's cool kind of thing, So that
checks out.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
The users of.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Punk News at least liked it and gave it a
composite ranking of three and a half. So don't feel
too bad, Hawthorn Heights. Plus, you got to tour with
Alexis on Fire and Silverstein and Emery, So you got
to tour with two friends of the pod and the
Christian rock band that most snuck up on me when
I was a fan of the didn't who knew?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
With Emery five Iron?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Who knew? Then they toured with Sugar cult another favorite
of mine.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
So oh sugar color great Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
To follow up from the success of Really, Ohio Is
for Lovers but for the Silence in black and white,
they released if Only You Were Lonely in two thousand
and six that actually hit number three on the charts,
in part because saying Sorry was their most popular single
outside of Ohio's for Lovers. This is saying sorry, if
(31:45):
only you were mooted.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
These colors will now change, change the way I see them.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
These were twelve.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Explain why.
Speaker 8 (32:07):
She keeps her beads.
Speaker 12 (32:13):
She said she's wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
She said to us wrong, she seems.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
So, said gun by Fast the.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
Same starry experiences, Stop.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Experiences from there.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Some real tragedy in the band. A guitarist and the
person who does kind of the unclean screaming vocals, Casey Calvert,
was found dead on the band's tour bus due to
an accidental combined drug intoxication. As a pharmacologist told MTV
News that particular mix having that particular result was one
in several million, was related to antidepressants and panic attack medication,
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not you know, substance abuse stuff. The band wrote the
song for Become One about Casey, and while the other
band members will fill in live for his parts. The
band continues to list him as a contributor on albums
and have not added different kind of screamer slash uncleaned vocalist,
saying that if fans want to want screaming on the songs,
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they can add it themselves, because they will replace Casey.
To date, the band has released six albums, eight if
you include the one they released as A Day in
the Life and the acoustic anniversary of the Silence at
Black and White. Most recently, they released Bad Frequencies in
twenty eighteen, and as far as I can tell, they're
(34:07):
still together.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
So cool for them, you know what I'm gonna say,
that's like legitimately cool for There's so many of these
bands that had, especially in that like two thousand and
four to two thousand and seven emo period, that had
the one massive hit and then that was it. So
good for them for still trucking. That sounds that sounds dismissive,
(34:28):
but I mean it genuinely.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean, look, they haven't had a great deal of
commercial success. Their first two albums went gold, and they had,
you know, some of their other albums charted a little
bit on the US or US indie charts. But like
that album they released in twenty eighteen didn't really do
much zero the one they released in twenty thirteen didn't
(34:51):
really do much. It's cool. I imagine that they really
enjoy making music together. Can't do a lot of press,
so it's hard to confirm that. But yeah, uh okay, Jake,
it's signed to play a game. This is I believe
this is the third game we've played on Columbia House Party.
I think we did the follow up. Boy, can you
(35:12):
guess is this song title real or fake? Way back
when we did the which blinkin eighty two or Blankwin
eighty two? Adjacent band is this? And today, Jake, we're
doing We're gonna play a little six Degrees of scream
Oh okay, So we're doing this because Ohio Is for
(35:33):
Lovers is obviously going on the mixtape. It's already it's
on the mixtape. So we're gonna play this game called
that I made up called six Degrees of Scream O.
So for years I've made the joke that no matter
what I listened to on YouTube, the YouTube algorithm then
suggests or just plays Ohio Is for Lovers next Now
we've covered earlier in this podcast that they are not
(35:55):
a band that I listened to a ton. They're a
band I'm familiar with and likes of the songs, and
you know, Ohio's for Lovers is certainly on some mixtapes
and mix CDs, But they're not a band that I
listen to enough on YouTube to dominate the algorithm, yet
it does. This is any wrestling fan knows that you
(36:17):
can't watch more than two wrestling videos without it being
suggested to you that you watch Simon gott shoots on enzoomore.
This is the pop punk version or emo version of that.
So I looked into this, and according to the Internet,
the YouTube algorithm is a real time feedback loop aimed
to find the right videos for you and more importantly,
(36:40):
to get you to keep watching. So it does use
your user behavior closely. The recommendation process ranks videos by
assigning them performance analytics scores, and then they match the
video to you based on your history and the history
of similar people. So the underlying idea there is that
even if I don't listen to a lot of Hawthorne Heights,
(37:04):
necessarily a lot of people who listen to the stuff
that I listen to listen to a lot of Hawthorn Heights.
So again, we were kind of coming full circle here,
back to our initial thought that maybe there's a little
bit of a slight generation divide or an age gap,
and there's that separation at Emo Night where half the
audience goes to the bar and the other half freaks
(37:26):
out on the floor. This is going back several years.
I'm too old for Emo Night, even in a post
pandemic world. So obviously there are a ton of real
social and sociological problems with YouTube's algorithm and the way
it works, but for our purposes, it's funny today. So
we're gonna play a little game to explore just how
(37:49):
dominant Ohio's for Lovers is on YouTube for me. By
the way, Ohio's for Lovers has the best top YouTube
comment that I've seen. It is Man Depression was just
better in the two thousands. I mean, So, Jake, I
tasked you with coming up with five different things for me,
(38:13):
and I'm going to see how many clicks it takes
me to get to Ohioas for Lovers. Okay, so the
first the first one you have to give me, and
I hope you prepped because I did. Yeah, yeah, I gotcha,
So you're gonna give me. We're gonna get progressively harder
to get to Ohios for Lovers, and before anyone jumps
in the discorder in our mentions or whatever, I realize
(38:36):
that by clicking on Ohios for Lovers in each of
these instances, we're going to increase the likelihood of it
coming up again. But I'm hoping that that washes out
with the fact that we won't be listening to the
whole song. I'll just be clicking on to the next one.
So here we go, Jake, give me a pop punk song.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Okay. So I intentionally made this hopefully difficult because I
wanted to see how far it could stretch.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Too difficult, because it's gonna be a terrible segment.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Is so.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
So for the pop punk song, I went with Not
the Same by Body Jar, which is an Australian pop
punk band. This is on a Tony Hawks soundtrack, I believe.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, Tony Hot three. Okay, so I'm gonna click that
all right. From here, I'm going to click Still Into
You by Paramore.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Okay, so that's one.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Oh wow, were there already? Ohio's for Lovers. Wow, Okay,
we went paramore right to Ohio's for lovers. Okay, so, okay,
that's a that's even even for Body Jar. That's a
quick all right.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
We crossed Transatlantic, trans Pacific. All of the other ones
are bands we have not covered on this show.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, good, yeah, because Body Jar, right, so you gotta
give me an Emo song now, Okay, So.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I went with I can be afraid of anything but
the world. It's a beautiful place and I am no
longer afraid to die.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
All right, that's a good song.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
It's a good song.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
All right. I'm gonna go blink one eighty two Adams song.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh, okay, off of their Apple Juice. It's just like
dispenseful like this.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm going cute without the e taking back Sunday
Okay from here, So that's that's two Oh there it
is again?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
All right?
Speaker 10 (40:29):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
So that Hey, that was one step parter. That was
a good step parter. So that makes sense. And hey
we're that was three clicks. So but at this rate,
if they continue to get one step parder, they'll be
I gotta choose carefully too, because like I was tempted
to click Coheed off of the Blink one A two
one there, and I think that might have taken us
(40:50):
at a different.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
I was gonna say, I feel like you gotta tailor
it a little bit to make sure that the algorithm
keeps up.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Well, I mean I'm doing this strategically, right.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Yeah, of course really works segment if you weren't.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah, now you're gonna hit me with the indie song.
And by the way, I'm going to do my best
to not repeat songs that I'm clicking. So Paramore came
up again there, and I tried to pick something different.
So I'm gonna try to do that as much as
I can, because otherwise the game becomes can I find Paramore?
And then ohio is for lovers will come up? All right,
(41:21):
so give me an indie song.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
So for an indie song, I went with don't let's
start by they might be giants?
Speaker 1 (41:27):
All right, We're gonna go Weezer, say it ain't.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So okay, there's no way it's there right away.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
No, all this part of my language, all the suggestions
are Weezer songs.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
That's algorithm.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, we're gonna go Welcome to the Black Parade and
see if we can get there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Okay, yeah, yeah, we're there. Okay, there it is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
We got We got Ohio's for lovers on Black Parade.
By the way, it's definitely pushing Ohios for Lovers higher.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Now it's just gonna be Weezer and o'hios for lovers
from now on.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
No, what we're gonna have to do next time is, uh,
we're gonna have to open up an incognito or clear
cookies or something like that. Well, we'll continue to go
and see if we could do it. So, now give
me a song out of genre entirely.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Okay, So this song is Inspector Norse by Todd Terrier.
Terryer is t E r j E. Obviously one of
the best electronic songs of the decade.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
We'll pick the official music video where a guy's playing
with his dog instead of the lyric video.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Great video.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Oh hey, we could get to our we could get
to Enzo Amour and Simon Gotcher. Probably because one of
the suggestions is the Undertaker surprises Kane with WWE Hall
of Fame news.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
There you go. That's odd.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Where are we going here?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
When you said electronic, I was hoping like a scrilex
would come up and I could go first last yeah, yeah,
and make my way back. All right, I'm gonna go
New Order Blue Monday. I don't really know why that's
in the suggestions, but we'll see. If there's songs, yeah,
we'll get our all right, we're gonna go because I
(43:13):
don't want to cheat and I don't want to I
don't want to use Blink one A two again, so
I'm gonna go take a risk here and go Oasis
Champagne Supernova. See if we can get back there. Now,
So that's two. See, there's Weezer again. Now it's just oh, okay,
we're gonna go Bowling for Soup nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
That'll get there. I would have to think that would
get I almost actually picked that for the pop punk songs.
So that's nice.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, we're not there yet, but we can go Offspring
Want You Bad.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And I think we'll get there.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
No, we're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Okay, wow, so we.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Got we got one more again. Keep in mind, I
am skipping some of the ones we've already used. So
like right now, Paramore is up. I know if I
click Paramore we'll get Ohio's right, but I'm not gonna
do that. We're trying, all right, we're gonna go all
time low, Dear Maria, count me in, and we're gonna
that gets us there. Yes, okay, we're there. So that
alm was that almost five? That was the hardest one yet.
(44:11):
This is it's tough. It's uh. I can't believe we
got a wrestling once suggested we could have. I shouldn't
have used the enzo more joke. Early zooms won't be
listening probably, but uh he would pop for the enzo more. Okay, Jake,
Now give me just literally any YouTube video.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay, so the literally any YouTube video is throat exercises
that may help with sleep apnea.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Do you have you been using this lately?
Speaker 2 (44:37):
Is that I actually got I was giving it to
my by my doctor this morning because I snore a lot.
I do not have sleep apnea, but I do snore
a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Is this the one by k MBC nine?
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (44:49):
Yes, there are a.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Bunch Okay, yeah, that's the Canby See one.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
So it's a news report. Yeah, all right, Okay, A
lot of a lot of yoga stuff, which that's how
you guys know I'm being healthy lately. And a couple
more wrestling ones. I gotta go. I gotta go wrestling
because I think that's our best path to getting back
into our genre of music. So we're gonna go. Drew
(45:14):
McIntyre brings the fight to the Raw locker room. That's
one click. I wonder if I get the Edges.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Entrance music, if I can get back all right.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Edge confronts Daniel Bryan over WrestleMania demands. That's two. Give
me Edges entrance music. I can't believe that they don't
suggest Edges entrance music. You think if you click on.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
A thing of a guy, that's what they do, right,
you would think?
Speaker 1 (45:39):
So, okay, I'm gonna click a different Edge one. How
edges perseverance took him to the pinnacle of WWE mostly
I just lost. Yeah, okay, there we go. So we
got Edges entrance music now, or we got a video
of Edges entrance at Monday Night Raw June two thousand
and seven. His entrance music is an all timer. By
(46:00):
the way, Uh, actually you know what, I'm gonna leave
a little spot in here for producer Dylan to throw
on Edge's entrance music.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Do you think you knew me?
Speaker 8 (46:14):
Honest?
Speaker 12 (46:15):
Tame, I see clearly there say this challenge and live
read the place, had a balk and.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
Dreams to get me all honest, that's somewhere else of.
Speaker 12 (46:35):
Me face, challenging, live, lot of chall s, chase and dream.
Speaker 8 (46:44):
He's got a cha feel chap.
Speaker 6 (47:09):
On this day.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Anyway, I think I'm going to fail in this one.
Oh we can get to the killers, mister Brightside or
Edges Entrance, that could do it. It did not. It's
pretty much just Paramore on blink one. So we're gonna
come up one click short again if we if we
were cheating the system and could just go to Paramore
(47:32):
a bunch, we would get there. But so we failed
with the throat exercises, which is uh, which is tough
because you know, the the throaty singing on Ohio's for
Lovers is the only kind of singing I'm good at,
and I imagine you need some throat exercises. It's a
natural pivot in my mind.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, I think it's uh. I thought that it was
throat related so it might bring some like how to
scream emo kind of things and.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Then wrong, wrong, all right?
Speaker 4 (48:04):
Man?
Speaker 1 (48:05):
So that's it hows for Lovers going on the mixtape
that's going on my YouTube algorithm forever. Now please try
(48:52):
to fish
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