Episode 587: A Nintendo History Lesson

This week's episode commenced with an engaging and thought-provoking discussion regarding the runtime of current television show episodes, specifically focusing on popular series like Murderbot and Severance. The hosts delved into the question of whether an hour-long episode is excessively long for viewers, potentially leading to fatigue or disengagement, while conversely pondering if a 22-minute episode is insufficient to fully develop the narrative and characters. This intriguing debate naturally segued into a broader conversation about the notable differences between the original source material, such as the books, and their television adaptations. The hosts expressed their anticipation for future episodes and the development of characters, exploring how adaptations can sometimes diverge from the original storyline while still capturing the essence of the narrative. Cody then smoothly transitioned the conversation towards Apple's recent and significant changes to their various Operating Systems, which have an impact across all their devices, including iPhones, iPads, and Macs. The discussion highlighted the implications of these updates for users, such as enhanced functionality, improved user interfaces, and new features that aim to enrich the overall user experience. Joe contributed to the conversation by sharing fascinating details about Nintendo's rich history, detailing its evolution from a playing card company to a giant in the gaming industry, and how its legacy has shaped contemporary gaming culture. This historical context led to an exciting discussion about the highly anticipated upcoming Nintendo Switch 2, with speculation around its features, potential advancements in technology, and how it might compete in the ever-evolving gaming landscape. The hosts exchanged opinions on what gamers can expect from this new console, including possible innovations that could redefine the gaming experience and keep Nintendo at the forefront of the industry.




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's up brother? Not much?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
What's up with you?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Not a whole lot, not a whole lots at all. Joseph, Wow,
that's right, I said it.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah he did, sucking Nerd put Gusta on that.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, mhmm yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
A little tired, A little tired.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I was playing Clear Obscure to like ten o'clock last night.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh my god, I know it's super late, right, jeez,
I might as well to stay up all night. At
that point I thought about it. I thought about it.
I ain't got nothing to do, and I.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Didn't because I didn't want to be that tired today.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
That had been just awful.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
It is a good game, though, Yeah, you join that
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
If you're a fan of RPGs, I think, like I
said before, that's just what i'd suggest playing it.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Speaking of watching things that you watched, uh, murder.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Bot, Hell, yeah, I have kiss off. The episodes are
too short, Yeah they are.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
I love how I was making a comment.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I don't know if I mentioned it here, but I
was talking to my brother because you know, I've been
trying to watch Severance. I still haven't watched any more
episodes unfortunately, but they're hour long and it's just it's
a slower burned show and sometimes it's harder to get
through for an hour long show. And I've complained that

(02:03):
it's too long, that more shows should be thirty minutes
so you can just get through it. And then this
fucking show comes out and it is thirty minutes and
it ends way too goddamn soon.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, man, it's it makes me so mad. Like this
last episode, literally nothing happened.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Well, I mean, stuff happened, but you're right, like the
plot didn't get really pushed forward at all.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
You just got to see a jackhammer go through.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It a secu a sec and then actual our murder
bought guy almost get taken over there before he just
shoots himself from the chest.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Spoiler words, spoiler.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Warrants, spoil alert, cheese, Joe.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Just ruin it. But yeah, you're right, stuff happened, but
nothing really happened.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And that's what that's what kills me about, especially this
last episode, Like I was just fully engage.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
My brother was.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Trying to tell me about something, talk to me about
something while the show was going on.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I was like, nah, I'm fully engaging this because it's like,
oh my.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
God, shut your mouth's gonna happen next.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
But even though I know what's gonna happen, pretty much
happened because I read the book.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Uh, and then it's just like and show.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Ends, and it's like, oh fucking hey, man, I have
to wait another week to watch this.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, because it was like literally the shortest episode I think, well,
it was one of the like it was twenty two minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
That's criminal.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Risk Assessment and escape Velocity Protocol should have been one episode.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Which which episodes were those two?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
That was three and four to the last two episodes,
So basically risk assessment is when they go to the
other encampment and then the last one was one. If
they could, they could have just made that one episode.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
And episode yeah, because that tells a more cohesive story
of like we got there and then sideways should win
sideways type of thing, rather than because you're right, like,
you know, they had half the episode of the previous
one sitting there going should we or shouldn't we go?

(04:20):
And also, hey, Gratham thinks that murder Vot has kind
of acted weird and then they get there and he
basically gets captured and then end episode and then pick
up this episode. Okay, he's been captured. We're going you know,
he gets the little thing he put onto his his
data port data port in order to hijack him, and

(04:43):
he basically stops it by killing himself episode end. It's like, okay,
if you're right, if you would have switched those two together,
it's a bit more of a cohesive small arc of
story happening there.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, But also like the ending the episode episode three,
where it was where he basically, you know, like you
don't even see him really get captured. You just see it, like,
you know, the guy walking behind him and blast whatever. Right,
and then like then you start with like the him
being dragged around and he fights and whatever. Like you
could have had much of more of like an impact
if you would have had that all going. And then

(05:18):
get to the last episode and and he shoots himself, right,
But then you're like you're looking at you know if
and if I guess if you were like binge watching it,
it would work better. But you're not, like if you're
trying to keep up with it, which makes me think,
like I should I just wait and like binge watch
the rest of it because I can then keep doing this.
No exactly, I'm like I but I don't want to. Yeah,

(05:42):
so I was. I was both happy and completely and
utterly pissed off at it. I was like, why the
fuck is this one at? Like these two episodes so short?
Like you have a twenty nine minute one, a twenty
six minute one, and then two twenty two minute ones.
You could have made one forty four minute one. Yeah, right,
you playing about your own rules, like you don't have
to you're not constrained by commercial breaks and time limits

(06:04):
of other shows.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
No, which is a weird thing, especially when you have
a twenty two minute episodes, Like did you aim for
like having commercials in this thing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's like what the fuck? Man? Yeah? Like like Disney,
like they don't even have restraints on there. They're like,
you want forty minute episode? Cool, you want a thirteen
minute episode? I guess you know. You want an hour
and seven minute long episode, go for it. I'm like, yeah,
tell the story, don't try to break it up for
episode count. Like, plus, you're only doing like nine episodes.
I know it's the shortest, it's one of the shorter books,

(06:35):
but it's like, but dude, you don't have to, Like
you could have made eight episodes, and that one would
have been a little bit longer, like yeah, makes me mad,
makes me mad.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's ultimately just to say that we're.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Enjoying it, yes, and I want more and I want
more exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
There was an interesting thing in this episode though, that
ark and back to what you what we were talking
about last time, is they confirmed that all the murder
bots actually look different in this in this universe.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, so when.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
They went to like the one cool thing like I
said they were doing in this they actually can kind
of give a backstory of how they built build murder bots,
well murderers but sec units synthetics as as some people
would say. But like you've see him cutting the skin
out to like obviously patch together, and then you see
the heads and they're all different. The guy's like, why

(07:29):
do they make them all look different? And she's like
blah blah blah, And I was like, oh, okay, that's
how they're getting around the hole having to augment his
look later on when he meets Art. Other than the
fact that like, I think they're still gonna do it,
like they're gonna give him stubble and stuff that way,
he doesn't look exactly like the murder Bot that everyone's
looking for or the rogue sec unit that they're all
gonna be looking for. So like still they're still probably

(07:51):
gonna do that, but they don't have to fudge with
this height like they did in the show. They can
just have to like grow his hair out a little
bit and give him a little bit of stubble or
a beer or something, and obviously get rid of the
day to port, but leave it there so people, you know,
think he may be augmented human but can't actually use
the data port. Spoiler for advanced readers, there's a character

(08:14):
named Art who is probably the second best character in
the entire stories because at one point, like when you
first meet him, you're kind of with Art, You're kind
of with murder Bot in a way. You're like, this
guy is kind of a dick, Like I get it,

(08:36):
he's not really he doesn't really have a personality, but
it's like, dude, you don't have to be a dick.
And then later on you're like, oh, you know, he's like,
you know, he does care about murder Bot and you know,
his crew and all this stuff, and then you get
to the return of Art after in book four. I
think it is, and he's spoiler it again. He's been

(08:57):
taken over and whatever, and when he comes back, like
you realize like he's like he's missed murder Bot, but
like also he's still kind of a dick or some
would say an asshole or a friend. He's layered like

(09:17):
like an ogre an onion.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Ogres are like onions. Uh yeah, so I can't wait
to get to that. Those parts. I can't wait, especially
because I think they'll probably play up the asshole mission
a bit in the show.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't see if there's.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Any between those two would be so much fun.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I don't know have they announced, like if they're doing
a second season yet or or if they green litter
a second season or not yet.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I don't think so, which is maybe a little concerning,
since sometimes they can be so gun ho about certain
companies can be so gun ho about about things that
execs and you will love this so much before even
releasing season one, makes season two.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Remember about season two?

Speaker 1 (10:14):
And well, according to this the It's got an approval
rate of ninety seven percent in based on fifty nine
critic reviews, which again we can't read for some strange reason,
Metacritic has a seventy one out of one twenty eight
critic reviews. That's good. I don't see anything about a
uh anything about a season two yet on here.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, just doing a general search, nothing has.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Come up yet, So obviously they're not gonna announce any
casting for anything that hasn't been officially announced yet.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, but with scores like that, it's got to get.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
A season two.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah. Like, obviously Apple does keep stuff around for a
long time, uh.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Which is the one thing I do like about them.
And it's a weird.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Thing because again I've said, you know, we've said in
the past where sci fi just doesn't seem to stick
around some places. But like for some reason, Apple TV
and I don't know what the ratings are of some
of their sci fi shows, Yeah, just just seem to
stick around longer than I thought they ever would, you know.

(11:25):
As good as I have liked what I've watched of,
It's been a while since I've watched some spaces in
the name, but.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
The Moon series for All mankinds for.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
All Mankind, Like, I wouldn't have thought that for All
Mankind would have lasted this long. It's still going and
it's just like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Cool, yeah, you know Foundation.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Foundation is another one.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's also the thing about that one too, is like
a lot of these shows are very CG heavy.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
The Foundation is like real heavy, and so is Murder Bought.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Like it just fall along of how heavy you know,
real practical sets are for this thing, and also the
CG for these these things are. But Apple just seems
to not care, which is.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah. Oh and I was watching, right, was it?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Which is another reason why I think Apple should pick
up the last few seasons of the expanse just throwing
that off and out in the ether. It still falls
into what my perfectly thought out idea is that they're
just waiting for the actors to age up a bit
and then they're going to finish out the series. But
Apple needs to take it to finish it out to
get it over that line.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean, I watched the opening credits for the in
the first episode, and usually what I doing for your
most shows. Oh I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I let
reiterate that I usually watched the first two to see if,
like does one of those things where they changed the
beginning and I didn't really notice anthing big changes, So
I didn't watch any more. But then this last one
I forgot to hit the skip button and it went
through it. I was like, whatever, right, and then I

(12:56):
realized something that I was like, wait, this makes no
sense to me. Okay, do you know who the production
company of the show is the main production company?

Speaker 2 (13:07):
No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I haven't paid attention enough for it. But I know,
uh well, any wait not, it's not production related.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I'll give you a hint. They have their own streaming
network for murder Bot. We're talking about the production company
for murder Bot. The people who make the show, that
produce the show have their own stretreaming platform.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Are they only streaming or no?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
They are a movie studio and a television studio.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
So I would venture to guess like a paramount.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Or something exactly paramount I was. I was watching it
the other night. I actually think I watched it on
Friday and I was sitting there. I was like, wait,
what rewind? Why does that say paramount? So I looked
it up. I was like, it can't be too like

(14:03):
am I not spelling it properly? And then I looked
at it. I was like, nope, that's fair amount. Why
why doing wrong. I'm happy it's on Apple TV because
it's probably gonna last longer. But it's like, y'all, y'all
have your own place that you could do this, Like
obviously Apple must have paid more money for it, but

(14:24):
it's like you could have had this on your network,
but it would.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Have died there. I know that, and I know that's
what we're getting at. But that's the interesting thing, and
like it would have it. It feels definitely like.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
It would have died there, and then I was looking.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Only receiving their only saving grace would be if they
actually released this on TV. Yeah, but even then, I
have a feeling that it would have died there because
they would have done that thing. Oh we're going to
release it on such date at such time. That didn't work,
Let's move the times around, let's do this, let's do that,
and then we'll have died again.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I wonder, Yeah, what is what was.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
The behind the scenes look like of that?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Did Paramount own the properties to the rights? To excuse me?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And then Apple just came along and was like, here's
a bag of cash. We want to you know, someone
on our team. Because I take this back to like
the Expanse. You know, when the Expanse was on sci
Fi and it ended there, Bezos was such a big
fan of it that he brought it over to Amazon
to to well, not finish it out, but keep it going.

(15:38):
So I wonder if there wasn't just somebody at Amazon
or not at Apple that was just like this would
be awesome.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
You know. It's not such a straightforward sci fi.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's a comedy sci fi thing, so it might fit
in with what we're doing here. So let's even though
Paramount owns the rights to it, let's throw the money
at it so that we can get the release rights
or The other question I have is do they only
have the rights to the US and Paramount has international rights?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
It says here Apple TV. It doesn't say in States only.
It literally just says network Apple TV plus. That's it.
And what's crazy is David Goyer is one of the
producers on executive producers on this.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Yes, So that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
But the other thing I was thinking, maybe as you
were talking, because I was painted, I wonder if they
just didn't want to put it on Paramount because of
all the Star Trek stuff and how it's not that
it's the show similar, but like things like you know,
Sanctuary Moon, very Star Treking. They didn't want to like
kind of like take away from their Star Trek ish noess.

(16:45):
But I don't know, it's so weird because I can't
I'm looking at Wikipedia.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's obviously one idea, but my thought process behind it,
and maybe this also just curves into that is.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Halo didn't do too well on Paramount.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Well has a fan base, and granted Halo has a
fan base as well, but.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
One of the two fan bases weren't slapped in the face,
so fair, I'll.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Give you that. I still enjoyed it for what it was.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yes, there was a lot of problems with it, and
I wish it would have gone for it kept going
forward because I think they could have pulled it out
in the end. But you know whatever, But maybe that
is what they saw and were like, we don't know
if we want to release this on our network.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Type of thing, So it says here production In twenty
twenty one, book series author Martha Wells, who's an adorable
woman by the way, if you haven't seen them behind
the scenes footage she put up with her and her
husband on set. They got their cameras out and they're
taking pictures and stuff. It's so hot, said that it
put a potential TV series adaptation was in development, that

(17:54):
she had read the script and was really excited about it.
The series began moving forward at Apple tv Plus in
twenty twenty two, so it wasn't even that long of
a gestation period where it went from like, oh, it's
like stalling here. I mean, it could have been in
twenty twenty one. She mentioned it such basically means that
someone had gotten the rights to it, it doesn't say who,

(18:16):
and they were working on it, and then it moved forward.
But then it said the series began moving forward to
Apple tv Plus twenty twenty two, but casting was delayed
by the sag Afro strike. So again it wasn't even like, oh,
we're contractually obligated for these people, we have to move
it whatever. It's like. The strike happened, so they couldn't
actually audition or hire anybody, mainly because nobody's working at

(18:40):
that point. So then then it was announced in twenty
twenty three that Alexander s Gardguard would produce and star
in the series, and in February twenty twenty four, which
is wild because production started in March, but in February
it was announced that a bunch of the other cast
was joining the in there and then Arch a bunch
of them, where I was like Jesus, Like, that's obviously

(19:04):
the delay of the sagaff For strike. There was probably
some conversations going on, but like they couldn't announce anything
or do anything with it because of contractual reasons, because
no one was gonna make a contract and do work
even though technique was happening. The work was being done
in Canada, but it was still under sagaff For because
that's who the Actors Guild was going under. So that

(19:24):
probably added to it, but it doesn't, don't. I mean,
whoever had the rights first originally, which could have been
I guess because this says television series created by Paul
Wentz and Chris Wentz, so it could have been them
that had it, and then they were shopping and around
and they might have a production deal with Paramount and

(19:46):
an Apple. It's like hey cash and they're like, oh
my god, we're gonna drown in this cash, and like
what's not actually cash? It's like digital currency, Like I
know it sounds cooler, right, But yeah, it's interesting to see.
But I saw that and I was like, uh, okay,
And there's gotta be putting reasons because I've seen other
stuff like where when Fox was actually making stuff, you'd

(20:08):
see like Fox production stuff like somewhere else and you're like, bitch,
you have a network. Yeah, you keep bolstering this on
your network. I mean like someone somewhere, some fucking accounting
someone say well, that's not our demographic. It's like, didn't
wouldn't hold on? Wouldn't you want that demograph? If this
is the demographic that's for this show and you don't

(20:29):
have that demographic, shouldn't you want that? Like, wouldn't shouldn't
you want more demographics in there for like a bigger poll.
Think I could be wrong, but who knows. Who am
I to tell you how to do your job? But
there's a reason you're barely a network now anyhoy. Yeah,
So I saw that and I was like, that's fucking weird.

(20:51):
Another thing uh about Canoli's just kidding? It's just a
weird segue. Uh So I mentioned I said yesterday a
thing that Rise Agains has an album coming out in August.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, I'm a little salty about that.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm just gonna it's gonna be a quick side note
because I subscribed to their newsletter. So I actually got
the newsletter like two or three days ago that hey,
we're releasing a new album and we got a bunch
of new merch for it. That I got that email
like at like six something in the morning. I didn't
see until like eight, and in a little blurb it

(21:25):
was just like, oh, yeah, we're releasing a special edition,
autographed final And I was like, Oh, I wonder how
much that was sold out if it's still available, click
on it.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Twenty six dollars, it's already sold out.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
And I was like, what at twenty six dollars it
should be sold.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Out to rast only twenty six dollars?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, it, shit's fucked. That's wild.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
It was wild, Like I could have actually purchased this. Yeah,
and I hated so much that I didn't get a
chance to anyway.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
That's my that's my side.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Already listened to the album, already went to click add
my Apple my iTunes. So far the two songs that
they released, which is what Prize.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Fighter and three songs there new one just got released
yesterday or Friday.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
I haven't listened to that one. Uh, so nod Prize
Fighter and whatever. The third song is so far, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I love that band so anyway, and there's a new
music video. I didn't send that yesterday because I didn't
see that until later. But so I was watching an
interview with Tim and he was talking about the new album.
I was like, all right, cool, yeah, and I knew then.
Then I was like then, I was like, wait, I'm
looking at him like, bitch, you've headed chromia. He has

(22:37):
two color two different colored guys. Yeah, he's a blue
eye and brown. I had no idea. Yeah, I was like, dang,
that's cool with hell You're like part husky or something.
But yeah, so, uh the new song is really good,
by the way, and it's a lot heavier by the way,
And then that U so I saw the album, I
was like, oh shit, I don't know if anybody knows.
I mean, I figured you'd know. I didn't know if

(22:58):
Tod would know, because sometimes he's a little bit slow
on things like showing up for.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Friends, shows up on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I do appreciate it, but yeah,
I'm already a little salty about that.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I was like, I had a chance.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Signs, Yeah that wild.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Dude, right.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I wonder if they're released more just in case, like
because of how well it did or something I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
But conversely, like I because uh, I also get a
newsletter from CD Project read because I've actually bought some
stuff from there. They're actually pretty cool merch store that
they have. They actually have, you know, they have a
merch store for their games, and uh, they're just releasing
like merch left and right for their games and stuff,

(23:46):
even like for the Witcher that's, you know, over ten
years old.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
But that's one of the things I'm I want to.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Talk about because they just released a special edition vinyl
for the Witcher Wild Hunt soundtrack two hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Now that the actual vinyl looks.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Pretty dope because it's like a clear but it has
like blood splatter on it.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
It looks really dope.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
But two hundred dollars, I'm like, no, see, I would
expect two hundred dollars. I would have expected two hundred
dollars for that signed Rise Against album, not two hundred
dollars for this limited edition vinyl set Here that the
the c product red released, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Fucking yikes, dude, I know right, that's that seems absorbent.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, you can get to it.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
They have a different, different set that's not the limited
edition set and just has like I think a red.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It a red So do they pull like a kiss
and like put girl's blood in it?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, Like what makes it two hundred dollars? Besides it
being limited edition?

Speaker 1 (24:51):
That's it?

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Does we have like, oh, we got the the composer
to sign off as sign it or whatever, or I
know some of the uh songs have vocals on them,
so you know, got the artists to sign things. Now,
it's just it's cool. It's a dope art and the
vinyl actually looks really cool.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
But your goddamn John, your goddamn mine for two hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
I'll wait for it to not sell and then they discounted.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Like seventy five percent, and maybe I'll get it.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
And maybe I'll get.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
It because there are a few things on there that
are like, yeah, this didn't sell, We're gonna knock and
knock the price off of it. It's like now it's
tempting to buy.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
But still going back to the rise against I'm still
kicking myself that if I just would have seen my
email at six am and maybe would have had a chance.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Maybe probably not.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I'm not a pot I can't buy things that fast,
but that would have been dope.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, we'll keep an eye and see if it popack up.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, I have a bunch I want to talk about this,
the Netflix stuff from yesterday that they announced go.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
For it, because you just dropped a bunch of stuff
and I was just like, ah, okay, I'll get to
that later and then surprise it ever did.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
But before that, I was gonna ask you, and I
forgot to ask you the other day when we actually
saw each other face to face in like real life,
which is wild. If you heard about the rumors of
the overhauled Apple ecosystems with the name changes and stuff, Yes, that.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
They're bringing some features from Vision pro OS or vision
OS or whatever they call it to the Apple to
the other Apple ecosystem stuff, so it'd be interesting to
see what exactly they mean by that. Yeah, And that
the next OS will be kind of an overhaul of
a bigger overhaul of the systems.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Yeah, And because a lot of people are thinking they're
gonna like like go full in on the AI stuff
and a lot of stuff, and I was like, I
don't know, because like.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
They're struggling with the AI stuff, and that's a sore
point for.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, like because like it's I mean, it's there's some
pretty decent stuff, but it's still hindered by the fact that,
like the Internet has to be utilized quite a bit.
So if your Internet sucks, so does that, you know
what I mean. But the other thing is the name change.
So rumors are that they're gonna go to year names,
not version names, right.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Which, so the new OS would be iOS twenty.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Six yep, twenty six. Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
That'll be the OS that that is used throughout twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, yep. Yeah, because it'll be launched with the iPhone.
That is the twenty twenty six model. Even I mean,
we all know it comes out in twenty twenty five,
but it's for the next year.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Cars are yeah, they get released in twenty twenty five,
but this is the model for next year.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah. Yeah, So like there's that obviously, tvOS twenty six,
iPad OS twenty six, blah blah blah. So that was
pretty cool. And then yeah, like the the fact that
they're looking at not only overhauling than any that's why
they're doing the name change. Well, part of the reason
why they're doing the name change too also to make
it less confusing because people always associate like the operating

(27:58):
system with the phone and it's like, now they're not
on the iPhone eighteen yet, but they're running you know
iOS eighteen. It's like that has nothing to do with
each other. It's because the OS has had a change
between models and the fact that we're not really technically
on the seventeen seventeenth iPhone. There's a lot of different
ones in there. But it also be less confusing because

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then you're looking at not a phone name, but also
it kind of goes along with everything because we're not
on the eighteenth variation of the iPad, we're not on
the eighteenth version of you know OS for the Apple
TV and stuff like that. So having a blanket won
for the year makes a lot more sense. But then
they're talking about, like you were saying, the actual full
overhaul of the operating system because they want to cut

(28:41):
back the system requirements for a lot of it because
there's a lot of junk that's in there that they
can kind of compile down to one, one or two
things versus like having a bunch of random systems for
different things. They can kind of combine a lot of
things and help hopefully make more room for processing of
things like AI on there without having all those other
things that go on. So very interesting, but I thought

(29:03):
that was a kind of cool thing.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, they make it a lighter, more responsive, and then
also doing and doing so you kind of make.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Your phone possibly last longer, hopefully.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
You know, they already do in my opinion, they already
do a good enough job right now. I shouldn't say
good enough, but a good job right now where your
phone is usable for like seven essentially seven years seven
OS upgrades before they really are just like hard stop.
We're no longer supporting this, yeah, the hard other operating

(29:37):
systems and whatnot. So if you can lighten the load
there and make things a little bit more streamlined, you
might be able to extend that out a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
For usage.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Because I'm at the point in my life where phones
have stopped being interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
They're just incremental upgrades every year.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm not even excited about the prospect of getting like
a foldable phone, because all I seen foldable phones are
just it cracks after a while, and I don't want
something that that. I know one of these days I
just open up and just be like, well that's cracked.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that was that dollars right there.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
The crease in the screen drives me insane.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
In all those phones, when you see it, you see it,
and it it definitely would especially if I'm watching darker
scenes with darker content and something or play you know,
in that case, trying to play a games. I don't
really play too many games on my phone. It just
doesn't really It's not the aspect. But that also leads
into the part of like I don't play games on
my phone, you know, I don't use it as phone.

(30:34):
I use it as a way to get news, listen
to podcasts, listen to music, and text people.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
And that's that's basically what I'm getting at. I take
a lot of pictures with it as well, but at
this point, like.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
I don't need a better Like I think there was
rumors that the next and this kind of sounds dumb,
and I don't remember where I saw it, as somewhere
on the internet there was a rumor that the next
iPhone will have like a four hundred make apixel camera,
It's like, what is that going to look like?

Speaker 1 (31:02):
And it doesn't matter where are you putting that? Like
what are you displaying a four hundred megapixel picture on? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
You know, what is that even going to look?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Like?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Why do I need that? Because the pictures that I
take with I think it's a forty eight megapixel camera.
I can't remember what it is, right, It's perfectly fine
for me, you know, And that's what I'm getting it.
It's like my ten I only upgraded because of the
opportunity that I had to get Apple AI and get
something smarter on my phone so that when I ask

(31:32):
it to play some music, it doesn't. God, you here's
something totally different, and it's just like, no, I get
that the audio probably wasn't ideal as I'm speaking into
it and.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
On the road or what not. But still like that
was the big selling point for me. And that's kind
of the big.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Sore spot for me as well right now, is that
they didn't release Apple AI. Yeah yeah, and they're having
so many problems with it, so.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Which I mean, you know, that's kind of happens when
you kind of dive too fast into things kind of yeah, really,
but I mean, really are our phones? I mean you
can't even really you're not utilizing AI like on anything. Like,
it's still again, it's still Internet base. It's not like
the machine is creating the info for you. It's literally

(32:30):
just quicker Google searching. You know, it's gonna it's gonna
go through. It's gonna go Google and Bing and Ask
Jeeves and whatever other fucking search engines. It's gonna compile
info from in fact check it quicker than you could
if you had to open up fifteen different tabs to
do searches. So, like, you know, the other thing too,

(32:52):
I just did watch a video where guys like the
best way to read news on the Internet is to
is to search it through an AI aggregate because it
does show ads. Yeah I see that, and I was like, hell,
yeah I did automatically.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I'll still be afraid of of the AI just making
shit up.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah. That's the other thing too, is if you're looking
at that like oh yeah, you know, hot air balloons
are back in style, It's like, wait, what the fuck
are you talking about? Yeah? Right, were they ever in style?
I mean, at one point they were and didn't blurb.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
There's a thing that I learned from that Jackie Chan
movie Around the World in eighty Days or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah, hot air balloons were in style at one point.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, Joe, that's the thing. Uh, all right, So that
was the I want to talk about that because I
didn't know if we hadn't talked about it before.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
But to finish that off.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
The one thing that I am interested in that, Like
I said, people have said is that they're taking cues
from vision os and bringing it to other stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I wonder what that will look like.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
What cues are you taking from vision os to bring over.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, to other Apple do you have to wear my phone?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Did we talk about that one where I was looking up? Yeah,
it was the last time I was looking up on
offer up? Like how much people are are ditching their
vision of West or their very Apple vision pros for it.
It's like if you have five hundred bucks and you
want to try and trust somebody offer up is they're
there for five hundred dollars. My one question though, are

(34:20):
they still locked behind? Because I think when you originally
bought them, they like locked them to your account and.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
You couldn't resell them.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Oh maybe I could be wrong about.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
That, so it'd be a really weird thing that that's
still going on.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, the only problem with that is I think if
at the one point, if you wanted to trade it
in you couldn't, then right, well they.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, they would have to offer some sort of because
I'm thinking trade in like oh, Visionists two.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or just if you didn't like it, you want to
trade in for a fucking computer or something, you know, yeah,
you'd want to be able to do it. You can't
like hard lock a three thousand dollars device that can't
be you know, obviously they want to They probably want
to do that, so people weren't scalping them. Yeah, but
it's like but also it's like, hey, like I want
to get rid of this thing, right, So, like, was

(35:05):
there a six month period, eight month period, eighteen month period,
what's the timeframe where you can unlock this bitch and
get rid of it? Because it's like, hey, I don't
want to wear a computer on my face, right, Like
I want to be able to like not that I
would ever fucking get a metaglasses, but the idea of
being able to have something just like on my face
like glasses that gives me either heads up display or whatever.
It's way more like appealing than like wearing a whole

(35:28):
lot ofs fucking head rig right, that's gonna make my
fucking face sweat and my head all fucking heavy. I
have enough problem with that with my giant head.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Anyways, it looks like it is just activation lock thing. Okay,
so like every other device, Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
That makes way more sense. I mean, if they they've
tayed to lockdown a three thousand dollars fucking not even
technically computer, like, it's just an iPad with fucking goggles built.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
In, So pivoting from that, and I don't know what
else you have to talk about, because that makes a
good point with the Nintendo switch to is how they're
being locked to.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's certain they're being locked to accounts. I wonder how
that would work.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I mean, we're gonna find out when scalps start trying
to kill them. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh yeah,
so because I don't know. Because one of the guys
from my store was telling me he got one through
best Buy and he didn't have to sign up with
his Nintendo account, right, And.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
I think you were right.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
You mentioned one of the last times we talked about it,
how the the count lock was through Nintendo.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you could only order one. But I don't know
if the device is account locked or if the ability
to order it was account locked, you know what I mean,
like you have to have this many.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's how they're trying to prevent scalping.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Interesting, Yeah, you're not gonna prevent scalping. Nobody can. People
are scumbags, So people are bags. There's no good.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
But I will say, uh about the Nintendo stuff. What
was the YouTube channel that I was watching yesterday?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Did you know?

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Gaming released a couple of Nintendo centric videos the.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Past couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
The first one talking about the history of Nintendo, which
was really fascinating. I knew some stuff obviously, like they
were a playing card company and then they made toys
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
But the thing that I didn't know, because I've always heard.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
People say like the person that brought Nintendo out of
debt and got them going on the video games, gonn
pay Okoy was just like a janitor there, and it's like, oh,
that's interesting that it's fascinating that he was just just
a lowly janitor. He brought this giant company. It's like, no,

(37:49):
he kind of was, but it's there. There was a
really weird law in Japan at the time that said
a company over a certain size had to hire an
electrial engineer. Doesn't matter if you needed one, they just
had to hire one. So at the time, Nintendo was
making trading cards and they were a big enough company,

(38:10):
so they had to hire an electrical engineer. So Guntpeyakoi
applied and got hired, but there was basically nothing for
him to do. So he basically was a maintenance man
for the glue machines, but in his spare time he
liked to just tinker around with toys. And the CEO
saw him doing it one of these days and was like, hey,

(38:32):
you know, long story short, Hey we like that, can
we sell it? And it sold like Gangbusters and they
were like, hey, could you make another thing? He made
another thing and then sold like Gangbusters as well. And
so when it came down to getting Nintendo out out
of debt, because they hit like a like an earthquake

(38:53):
happen in Japan, and then there was a bunch of
crisis that happened. He's the one that came up with
game and Watch, which, by the way, I feel dumb
his explanation because I've known about game and watch and
I've even played game and watch games.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Do you know why it's called game and watch?

Speaker 1 (39:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Okay, So the idea goes like this, he saw someone,
a businessman, playing with a calculator on.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
A train, and he.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Thought, well, what could we build that would make that
would give something for this business guy to do, but
not make it look like he's playing some sort of game,
because at this time someone had already released a portal
gaming system.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I think he was a.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Was it Theotaritia Odyssey like or whatever it is, but
it was like this really weird, ginormous thing, and he
was like, well, what can we do to make a
small system.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
But he's a business guy, so he's going to need
to know the time game and watch.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Oh yeah, because it was a watch.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Yeah, because it was a watch. It had time on it,
game and watch. And I was like, that's dumb. I
like it, But how did I not think like I
guess I just didn't think of that.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Like that's why it's called.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Game end watch because it had game, game, one game
and a watch on it. So you could so the
businessman who's playing this little thing so that it doesn't
look like he's playing, you know, playing a ginormous game
system or something like that, couldn't know what time it
is game and watch anyway, that's all the Gamebusters and
anyway down the road. It helped them become out of

(40:33):
debt and whatnot. But the second video was a bit
more interesting because it talked about the game systems and
the philosophy actually from gun pay YOKOI.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Of how to come up with things.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
And I can't remember exactly what they called it, it was,
it was something his philosophy was was basically, don't try
and do something, use known technology and basically make it
simple type of thing. And so that's why you have
like it make it cheap essentially, so you're basically looking

(41:12):
at something that's cheap with known technology. That's how it
kind of is cheap. So that's how like the game
Boy comes out. You know, you have a monochrome screen
and it doesn't perform as well as the game gear
or the other systems at the time that had color
screens and stuff like that, but it had a long

(41:33):
battery life.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, and it.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Played well enough, and it was only one hundred and
something dollars when it came out, versus like the two two,
three hundred dollars for the other systems that came out.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
So that's why it's sold like gamebusters.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Well, you apply that into other things and you can
see that how when Nintendo follows that system of make
it simple with technology that's already known and make it cheap,
they do gamebusters even within their their consoles. It's when

(42:08):
they step out of that and go, oh hey, we're
doing something more, a little bit more iterative, and this
is just gonna be something that is oh better, graphics,
better this, and it's going to cost more.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
People go oh hey, no, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
But in the past their CEOs have have seen that
and going Okay, we fucked up.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Let's lower the price.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Let's you know, let's load the price of the console
and then lower the price of games. Because that's something
that has kind of been forgotten about with Nintendo as well.
When they hit like a million seller game, they used
to reduce the price on it so that they could
sell more games. Yeah, and so that's how they've gotten
to the market to value that they have today, which

(42:54):
they have, Like I think that it was somewhere around
like seventeen billion dollars just in revenue.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
And like cash that they have right now.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
So that's all to say that the Switch sold like
gamebusters and was a kind of you know, this is
known technology, let's make it simple, but let's make it
a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
They did do some innovation with it, but again, a
lot of stuff they'd already innovated with the Wii and
even the Wei, like motion controls were something that have
been done for a while. It wasn't something that they
just came up with. The Wii was a great seller,
the Wiu was not a great seller because again they
tried something more iterative and it costs more.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
So the Switch went back to that same philosophy and
it sold very well.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
It was cheap. It was what two hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
When it came out, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, something
like that. They did end up selling like a lower
end version of it that didn't have removable stuff, but
it was all stuff that they knew. Well, now we
look at the switch too, and the Switch too is
just a graphics update and it's going to cost four
hundred four.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
On launch.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Yeah that thing based on what you go and watch
the video and it could be different. But when they're
no longer the cheaper option, because you can go buy
an Xbox the Xbox Series S is four.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Hundred dollars or something like that or three something.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Even after the announced the tariffs that are going to
increase the price to like three to eighty.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
You could go buy that rather than a switch.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
So I think they're going to have a The switch
to is going to not do very well.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
It's going to sell out at first.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
You're gonna get the scalpers and you're can get the
diehard people that are going to buy it, but.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
It's not going to do as well the Switch too.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
After watching this video, it's like, yeah, yeah, they stepped
away from what make They're stepping away from what makes
Nintendo Nintendo and why Nintendo in order to to try
and get more money, because it goes back to the
games as well. Eighty dollars games like Sense Goddamn Mine.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, not only that, but again we said last week
and probably the week of four two, it's not only
an eighty dollar game in a four and fifty dollars console, right,
but you have no other options. I can't get it
on a system I already own. Yeah, I can't. Like
the Mario Kart World, I can't get on a switch. No,

(45:28):
I have to get it on a switch too, which
means I have to spend the four to fifty if
I'm lucky enough to get the bundle, obviously, but if
I'm not, four to fifty, and then another eighty dollars
to that game. Oh and by the way, if you
want to play online with somebody, you have to have
the online service, and luckily they're online service. I think
it's still pretty cheap. I think it's like twenty bucks
a year or something like that, and you do actually

(45:48):
get a lot of cool stuff with it, like the
digital game catalogs, and there's adding more and more, but whatever.
But it's like still like you're you're doing what everyone
shits on Apple about, is you're you're you're forcing people
in your ecosystem at a higher price, and you're not
even making it. So like like I think, and again
I'm not fucking, you know, stroking the shaft of Xbox

(46:08):
or anything like that. I think with the Xbox series,
sn X was a very good game plan because you
had a lower price console that could still play the games. Yes,
would it do all fancy No, but it could still
play the games you didn't have a You could play
Cyberpunk on an S and an X and the game

(46:29):
would well when it wasn't broken by not the console
but by the game. You can still play it and
you can play all those games. You could get a
series S an X game that works on both those consoles,
So if you don't want to spend the higher amount
for the fancy console, you can still get the base
console and still play all the games that are coming out.
But with the switch, they're like yeah, like unfortunately, they're

(46:52):
just like it's too advanced for these games for certain things.
And it's like, see that's the problem. Like I don't
want you to do backwards compatible, but when it's called
they switch to probably should be just a switch, you
know what I mean? Right, Like I still should be
able to play all my games the same way without
having to buy an upgrade pack to play that same

(47:14):
game on there. It's like that's fucking horseshit.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, It's just it boggles my mind.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
It's just like so frustrating.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
So I think this this generation is going to not
do well for Nintendo.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, and it is. It's funny too, because, like you
bring up the I never really thought about this way.
The the We sold like game busters. But at first
it was like, why the fuck would you want this?
It seems so dumb, and then it came out and
everyone's like playing, like, oh shit, this is awesome.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
So one of the reasons why that it was fascinating.
In the video as well, they addressed that that Nintendo
Japan was like, We're just gonna release this, no game,
just the system itself. It was actually Reggie who was like, no,
you need to bundle in WE Sports.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
You bundle in WE Sports.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
You're you're showing the people why the motion controls work,
why this is fun, why you should have this. Nintendo
was like die hard of like, no, we're not bundling
games with this thing. This is yeah. So in Japan
you didn't get a bundle, you just got the system,

(48:29):
and the sales of the WE were actually fairly poor
in Japan, but in North America, where you got the
bundle where it came with the with WE Sports, it
was selling like gamebusters. So it was Reggie's point of this,
like no, you have to, like you do have something
here that is different than what a lot of people

(48:50):
are used to show them.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Why you have it.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
You know, here's a new system, here's a game along
with it to show you how the game. You know,
how the system works and how well it works, and
how it you know works, and it sold, it sold
really well.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, I mean that's even like I mean, I don't
I don't know, and maybe you know this answer. When
I bought my very first and when I bought, I
bought when I got my very first Nintendo system to
any Stintendo Entertainment system, it came with Supermoer Brothers and
Duck Hunts M because you needed a game to play

(49:29):
with it, and you didn't know what you're gonna play, right, right,
So like why not get two games that literally because
it was on like those games wasn't like on one cartridge.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You did have a version that was one cartridge. They
also did have like, you know, separate persions.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, because I remember, because I think.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
I have the Duck Hunt Mario Brothers cartridge as well,
but I also have a separate Mario car Mario Brothers card.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, So like that was like the coolest thing. And
I don't again, I don't know if I was like
a second version of it or whatever. I don't know
because I was young and I don't know that, but
that just seemed like the thing for it, and like
that was like one of the things obviously, like a
lot of consoles didn't do. But like it comes down
to fact, like it makes more sense and the fact,

(50:18):
like I'll bring this begain PlayStation. When the PlayStation five
came out, it wasn't anything crazy new. There's some new hardware,
but it did a lot of the same things the
PlayStation four did. Obviously, graphics were better and blah blah blah. Right,
they bundled in Astro's Playground and that was essentially that
game was just a tech demo of what the console

(50:40):
can do. But it was also one of the best
games they've ever made. Like it just makes sense to
do it that way, especially if you're bringing out something
so new and so different, like the difference between a
Switch one and Switch two is not a big enough
difference to actually bundle a game with it for free.
But like when you bring out like the Wei, for example,

(51:02):
a it's an all new platform which already pisses people
off because now you can buy all these new games, right,
but then you have classic Nintendo where they're like, oh yeah,
but you can also get this game that's already been
out over here, Twilight Princess, but you can get it
for the we now. But don't worry. Link is right

(51:22):
handed now because majority people are right handed, not left handed.
I'm like, that's right, that's racist. I don't know if
it's racist or not, but whatever, but yeah, it's it's
interesting you bring up because I never thought about that way,
but I was thinking the same before. Is it's so
funny that the to look at that and you're correct

(51:43):
the way or the video is correct if you look
at the game cube for example, right, not a new technology,
just disc based games have been around already before that, right,
all out PlayStation and the reason that PlayStation owes Nintendo
money still and but it was the one thing they
did do that was, you know, obviously a kind of

(52:07):
a a change for them was the controlling system. The
controller system. It went away from their classic kind of
design the way that the sixty four did, which obviously
the sixty four really like kind of like made people
mad because like it was kind of a terrible design
because like you're you're missing a whole section of buttons

(52:29):
because you're trying to use this middle piece here right,
but you can't switch your hands over because you still
need directional pad to do things. It's like, yeah, it's
not great. But when they like the game Cube came out,
that controller was way better and the console I was
better than they had, like things like you could do
the online capability because you get the mode and that
plugs into it. Not that online back then was anything.

(52:50):
Uh for the most part, things like the Dreamcast comes
out and they tried different things. Obviously Sega took a
huge leap with that didn't do so well with that.
But then when you look at Nintendo, the next console
to come after the game Cube was the the Wii

(53:11):
and then the Wi luckily for someone's foresight, actually played
GameCube games, which is great idea because backwards compatability. But
then went into the Wii two or the w U
as it said it, I mean obviously that birth the

(53:31):
switch if we look at it, like what it could do.
But the fact that like they're like, oh, our handheld
systems sells so well because the game Boy is like
one of the best selling consoles of all time a
game Boy is it technic game Boy color? That's the
best selling console. I think it was still the game
Boy game Boy Okay, I know it's a game Boy game.
I know it's a game Boy console. I just could
remember it was color. I regular And even actually that

(53:54):
goes down to the same ethos probably goes down to
the GameCube or the game Boy too, because you know
the Game Boy DS, which did really well, but not
as well. But then when they came out the.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Well, that was another thing that that again, yes, was
they mentioned it that it actually didn't do. It didn't
sell too well at the start, but they reduced the price,
made it cheaper, and then it sold well. And then
the next one they came out was was the three DS,
and that one didn't sell well because.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Because it was so much more expensive.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, but then the obviously the DS did really well
because like the later iterations of it did game busters,
like it was so cool. And then yeah, so then
we go to the WU. It's like, yeah, it's the
same but different, you know what I mean. Yeah, you
can use the controllers for the motion, but then you

(54:52):
have this handheld piece and it's like, oh, and then
they go to the switch. So obviously to me it
was one of the best things they'd ever done, because like, yeah,
I don't want to use as a handheld, but I can,
you know what I mean. But then you have it
where it's a console mode and it's not like one
of those things where like oh that we use over here.
Then you have this giant fucking controller you have to

(55:14):
use no matter what. Yeah, I'm not using the screen,
I'm using this on my TV. Why do I have
to have this big fucking pad with me? Right, you know?
So like there's that, But yeah, with the the switch
to it's like you should have gone a different direction.
You should have gone true next gen console with it.

(55:36):
If you yeah, you obviously want to stick with your
emotion stuff that you, for some reason, are stuck on
for the last four consoles. Now, I would like to
see the numbers that think of that, of how many
people actually utilize that function around, Like, obviously there's a
lot of games that don't even fucking use it at all,

(55:57):
and there's an option, Like I think almost every game
has an option not to use it all unless it's
a game made for those like you. Know if it's
fucking you know has to be, but I would see
the numbers of fimany people actually play those games that way,
But limiting yourself to a slight graphics upgrade and I
mean performance upgrade too, because those games do look and

(56:20):
seem like they play better. I haven't played one obviously,
and there's like a lot more. But can you imagine
what your games could be if you brought them out
on a fucking powerhouse system like a PlayStation five or
an Xbox Series X style console that has that robustness
to it and that depth of power behind it, versus

(56:42):
a fucking mobile processor like a snap Dragon. Well they
could have.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
They could probably obviously push better graphics, but I don't
think that's what they need. I think exactly what they're
getting away from is keeping it simple.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like you wish they didn't.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
That's the problem. Is that or not keeping it cheap.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, So what I'm saying it's like you went you
went more expensive for a slight upgrade, but you could
have gone that more expensive route and give us a
more robust console that Yeah, graphics, I don't care if
it's photo realismic graphics, right, I like Nintendo graphics. I'm
talking about the depth of the game itself, Like you
could do so much more with those games, like you
do a lot. They do a lot with those fucking

(57:22):
games on the Switch. Yeah, and then like quite a bit.
But think of the results, like the reserves they could
be like pulling from on a console that's much more
robust in capability of like how much more of those
games could be And again not talking about graphics, talking
about like just like the depth of the game, Like

(57:42):
how much more physics you could put in the game?
How much more you know, the length of the game
and robustness of those games you could get to if
you had that that that power, you know what I mean? Definitely.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
I just think that they still they've always been a
leader in the in the mobile market, so they don't have.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
A game Boy right now. This is their game Boy. Yeah,
they would have to then come out with something that
would be mobile.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
To keep it, of course.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, I think so that's why they're sticking with with
the form factor that they have.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
They know it works because the Switch, you know, sold
so well, so to go back to a console system
only would be weird for them at this point. I'm
not saying it couldn't work, and that could be your
cheaper option. They could wholeheartedly sit there and say, you know,
if you don't need the mobile side of things, hey,

(58:37):
here's this thing over here.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It costs one hundred bucks, and.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
And that could be your cheaper option, and that could
sell out, and then you have the more premium Hey,
you can also take this with you type of thing,
and that's four hundred. That four fifty is still egregious
to me. That's like three hundred dollars. That could probably
still sell well and have like two different systems. But
much like the it'd be much like the Series S

(59:05):
and Series X. You have the cheaper thing that just
sits there, but you have the little bit more expensive
thing because it has a screen in it has a
battery in it that you could take out with you.
You could you could game at home only at the
with the stationary one, or you can dock. You can
have the more expensive one that docks and plays and goes,

(59:26):
or you can have both. You could have the one
that is only at home that you play on TV,
but saves up to the cloud, downloads to your switch.
And there you go Saves on the go, but it
has the same stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Yeah yeah, and that would be completely okay with that too.
But I still think it's like we're missing the next gen,
true next gen with those, we definitely are.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
And maybe after the Switch too.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Obviously that's gonna be like ten years down the road,
maybe because of how long the Switch one was out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Maybe we'll get that next day, but I don't know
what it will be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Dr Nintendo gross to say it, fucking virtual boy, Virtual
boy too.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Everything's a circle?

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Oh cool? I can see images in rhym a circle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Everything's a circle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
It's like that, uh, what's the line from uh uh
what's that? Fucking uh? Adam Sandler movie Eight Crazy Nights. No,
Chuck and Larry are now pronounce you Chuck and Larry
when they go to get married and and I. In Canada,
Rob Schneider's the probably the most racist character he's ever played.

(01:00:44):
H talks about how the ring is a circle mm hmmm,
and the that's they Basically what he talks about is
like it's it's circle. He plays an Asian guy. It's
just fucking so racist. Well we won't. We're almost out
of time, so We're not gonna go with the Netflix
though today we'll save that because we are on a
tangent like normal. But that'll be it for this week's

(01:01:07):
episode of Comes Naturally. We have been IV and Cody,
and as usual, what you fuckers just came naturally? Bye,