Episode 593: The Superman Spectacular

On this week's exciting episode, we are thrilled to welcome Taj, who joins us to delve deep into the highly anticipated new Superman movie, which has been brought to life by the visionary Writer and Director, James Gunn. In this discussion, we will explore the creative choices that Gunn has made in reimagining this iconic character for a new generation. Taj will share his insights on the film's narrative structure, character development, and the overall tone that Gunn aims to achieve. Additionally, we will analyze the casting decisions, the visual style of the film, and how it fits into the broader DC Universe. Join us as we unpack the themes of heroism, responsibility, and identity that are central to Superman's story, while also considering how this film might resonate with both long-time fans and newcomers alike. This episode promises to be a comprehensive look at what we can expect from this thrilling new installment in the Superman saga, so be sure to tune in!




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It was one two.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
One, one, two, two, two three four.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
It was late or early. I suppose it's a better
way of identifying that. Yeah, right, sadly, but you know,
what's done is done.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
You can't uncrack an egg.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, I think that's my friends tis and I is
tired as a result. But you know that's nothing, you know,
against getting a call, you know, from your daughter saying
you need to come up, dad because there's a spider
that you need to kill. Mhm.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I mean you can just burn the house down.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's not how it works. It was quite.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It was just quite a it's gonna get rid of
the spider.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It looked like it could have been a baby triangola.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, make sure.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
To actually burn the house at one. Baby, there's more baby. Well,
they don't just have one.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Spiders don't have one.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
By tarrentialas are good pest control.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
So all spiders are good pest control, just not in
my house.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I mean, tarrentials don't actually like us though, like the
other spiders would come towards us, and tarantulas really don't
like humans.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well guess what I don't like.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
They're anti war, you know, like black widows. They're all war.
They're like, you know, fuck you pay me, but tarentils like,
now we don't weigh in about that life.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well, they could still do that life outside.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
They could indeed do that life elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Isn't isn't it? Banana trees right, like usually have tarantulism
in them.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
There's a Yeah, there's some spider that lives in like
a banana tree that you can possibly get.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
I've seen people, you know, post like.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hey got my bananas, and this little fucker came along
with it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Out of the banana times. We're about banana trees, therefore
less tarantialist.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Golden silk orbit weaver is the is the banana.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
That sounds like a scary looking spider. Yeah right, golden
silk orb weaver. That looks like just take a yeah,
that sounds terrible, Yeah, terrifying, looks.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Terrific, should say, I don't know if that's the one
that's in this in the banana trees, or if that's
just that bitch.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Is all like yellow, so it blends in pretty well.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Look at the funk off. There's no way that that's real.
That size against the dude's hand, Yeah, hard pass, I'm
not see that's what I when I'm like, you know what,
we gotta fight. Tranchis are about the only spider that
I couldn't deal with being the size of a human hand.
Everything else bada die with fire mm.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Hm, and lots of the uh up at the place
that we stayed at, the airbnb we stayed up in
flag Staff last weekend.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
A spider infestation. Oh my god, that.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Place was awful. You walk in and we were unloading everything.
It's slightly dark in there because it was hazy overcast.
It happened to have been that day that we got
the monsoon down here. He was, you know, fu fucking
rainy up there as well. And I'm looking down it's
all wood floors and I'm just like this rack in

(03:27):
the floor looks really weird. And then I moved, No,
I didn't move. I pull out my phone and I
shine it with the flashlight and it's like, oh, that's
because it's a spider.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
It was just like, you know, this thing, like you
know this big oh no, yeah no.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And I didn't have shoes on at the time. I
took him off when I came in. I was like,
I got shoes on.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Why you white fuck need to keep the shoes on.
You know who keeps his shoes and socks on? This guy,
that guy, you know, until you peruse the entirety of
a new place, no shoes on.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I would have had to keep my shoes on the
whole entire time because you squished so adam squished that
one guy. And then the next day I think it
is I found one in my shower upstairs.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But you swept in your shoes the rest of the time,
which is totally understandable.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
No, I don't sit in my shoes.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Well I don't either, particular kink anyway.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
So then like the next day after that, literally sitting
in the living room and my brother was like, hey,
there's a spider right behind you. It's like Jesus Christ
is a new placed, moved fast. I was like, where
does it get off? But this place was like really
like spider webs everywhere, and that's what I mean, Like

(04:46):
this place was not great.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
So you left because I would have left. I left
on Sunday. Yeah, relatively harmless venom has low toxicity. This
golden orb singing hover sure for it. I still don't
want to see it. The females are infinitely bigger than
the males.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Poor little dudes. Hey man, guess you just go Hey listen,
I fuck check, I go for it. I'll climb that tree.
And that's clearly what these golden RB spiders are doing. Right.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So there's three spiders that live in banana trees, Brazilian
wandering spiders, something called it. Yeah, the golden silk or
weaver we just obviously discovered, and then uh, something called
the the brahminlid spider.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I don't know, but duff, you don't click on one
of those because it will give you nightmares for the
rest of your life.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
I already got enough of those. Mean Moore, I'm looking up.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Oh no, I told him not to look it up.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oly ship.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Jo, you should definitely look this up. I'm probably pretty good.
I mean, I agree you are pretty good, but you
should look this up.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You should looks up so you cannot sleep as well.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh, this one makes it worse.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
What and yet.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
The camel spider. The camel spiders are horses actually, so yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I ran across the video yesterday or the David or
whatever it was, of some dude poking a It was
a wolf spider's nest. It's one of the spiders that
that burrow into the ground and have like a little trapdoor.
Those that thing was too because the persons just like
poking at the trap door. That thing comes out of
there like faster than the flash. Just stares at the

(06:54):
dude like what the fuck are you doing and then
just disappears right back.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Into the hole. And it's like no, no. So here's
the problem that I am currently learning about. Camel spiders.
Guess how faast they run?

Speaker 3 (07:12):
I think pretty fast, because if I recall right, they
race them over in Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Ten mile an hour.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I think I think I could be wrong on that.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
First off, don't don't don't sports size a spider, okay,
Like it's not like like give it, give it a
reason to still be around. And also the fact you
said a spider runs ten miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh, this news gets better, though, Do you want the
better news?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Be sure?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Let's let's let's make it so I never want to
leave a bubble over again.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh, this is gonna be really good. Then. Camel spiders,
also known as sun spiders, are when scorpions are known
that they can be found.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
In Surprise, Arizona, Oh, that that part I knew.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Fuck off, there's no way I'm going back to that city.
You guys are on your own. Sorry, you come to
me then next time enjoy.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Okay, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe you're wrong about the racing.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
The racing, it doesn't matter. They can run fast enough
to race and pass.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
But there are videos of like camel spiders apparently chasing people.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Mm hmmm mmmm.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
You don't like any of that, right, donate it, don't
want it.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Don't go around horses or camels, I guess too. Once
it has the name camel spider in it, why are.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
They called came I don't really want to know. I've
I've reached the.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Apex of my wanted to learn about.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
And knowledge about camel spiders. So we'll just go ahead and.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Pass hard, Pass hard, Pass hard.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's just like handling this thing, and it's it looks
like a giant ant, really it does.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It doesn't look like a spider, soak per se. But
I also saw there's a picture of one letting the
dude letting it bite him and insanity.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, is that that cut? What is his name? Coyote?

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Oh Peter Pearson?

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Ye, that guy's.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
But in a hot minute, you know, some other white
dude doing dumb white stuff, sorrow, you know whatever I mean,
it's all the same. It's all the same.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Just I don't understand why you even want to do
anything remotely close up, I don't know either, But here
we are seeing it happen in real time.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Shameful.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
It's really funny that it like Google has one of
the questions do camel spiders?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Do we have camel spiders in.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
The US, And when you click the expansion for it
says camel spiders, also known as sun spiders or winds scorpions,
are a group of ractents that could be found in Surprise,
ARIZONAA like it just where you are right here. Yeah,
like no one else this one city.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Good news, buddy, vake him for you. Fuck off. They
can stay away from me. They should stay away from
you and me.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
But this is one of those things, Like I've had
this conversation with people before, especially people who've moved from
other states and are like, oh, man, I've seen scorpions
and blah blah blah, And I'm like, bro, I've lived
in Arizona for forty something years, so forty got your
forty now?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
As old as you.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Uh. And I've only ever seen a scorpion when.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I've been out in like like hiking in the mountains
and stuff like that. The only time I've ever seen
a scorpion in a house that I've ever lived in
was We're already dead and we moved in and had
never seen a scorpion inside a house I've.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Ever lived in. Here, I will say that I have.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
People that are like, yeah, no, I saw one in
my apartment and it's like blah blah blah, And I'm like,
how I don't I don't get this.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
I have seen scorpions out in the in the in
the wild. It's not something that I care to see
ever again. But I don't send.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
It right out in the wild.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
But I mean like in your the wild. I mean
like in uh So Ali used to have a scorpion
issue and they would be in her her overhead light
in the kitchen.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
See, I don't get that. Like, I guess I've just
never lived in those areas that and trust you don't
want to live and I don't. I know, I don't
same thing with Like I worked with a h who
had raccoons at his place. It's like, where do you

(11:58):
live in Arizona that has raccoons. Oh, I know they're here.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
And flag and Prescott and flag like.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Somewhere around Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I don't remember where.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
It's just like I never seen in the belly.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I have not seen a raccoon.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
I know in like the Cave Creek ish area they
have like they have raccoons up there, like the mountainous
areas and like Havelena is because uh, we were at
a client's house working also there's just noise and the
guys like, god, damn have Alina's And I was like

(12:40):
what And he goes outside and that like they had
like knocked the trash can over and like had rooted
through it. But like, uh, he's like, well, what happens
is like the raccoons come over and they they are
dumb and they knocked the trash can over trying to
get it, and the haveleenas will chase after them, but
also just root through the trash because their garbage animals.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Can you imagine having both raccoons and havelinas as a
problem weird?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I wouldn't like it. I would Habilina's here.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I have that story where I was doing dishes one
day and then the sink faces the front window and
I see something like something passed by the front window.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
I was like, what the fuck was that? I mean,
it could have been a cat, but no, look out.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I look outside and then I pull up the video
of the front door and it's just a small family
of Havelina's just walking by, And I was like, that's strange.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Did they turn their heads look at you and be like, oh.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Right, No, Well, I just kept going on their merry
way like it.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that's the only time that I've I've.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Actually seen habilinas, at least in the area that I
live in right now. You see coyotes out here once
in a while as well, and I saw a dog
with mange one time.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Or chubicabrea. I'm not really sure. All the same really really.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
But yeah, no, it's like it's seeing a camel spider
out here. I guess they are never seeing one, never
want to like knock on woods somewhere. Yeah, that's definitely
sitting here calling these things into into existence.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Hard pass on that. I don't need to see a
camel spider ever, ever, especially out here.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Nope, or ever, or ever or ever or ever or
ever or ever That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, what's up, buddy,
say doing what's happening?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
You know? Chilling, drinking a butt? True? True?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Shut up, Mike, No one wants to talk to you
right now.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Oh that's terurtful. It's true, but tertful. Listen. He can
find out how the movie was if he gets on
this here a little podcast.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Why we spoil it?

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Well? Yeah, I mean if he really wants to know a.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Little bit week seen it? I don't think so he
was in California because it's James Gunn Yeah, it's it's Mike.
He's negative about everything. Also true, he's just like, oh,
I hate everything because I'm miserable or something, just.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Like in the what's the movie where they're nagging Kingsman,
Mike's just oh, Nancy.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Mike is Paul Rudd's character from No, Not grown Ups?
What's the one where they become the little like fucking
uh him? AND's Sehn Williams Scott, Uh, no idea?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
What you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Not grown ups? What the fuck is that called role models?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
He's like you said large coffee? Like, uh is it
gran day? He's like, what that's Mike without the cool job.
Of selling Minotaur Energy drinks.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That would be a pretty cool job.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Drive that cool ass truck.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
It was a pretty cool truck. It's hard to argue. Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
So, yeah, we can talk about Superman since we all
sinked it last night. Spoiler alert for everybody listening.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Oh yes, if you have not yet seen the Superman.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Skip forward to forty two minutes into this podcast and
we'll start be talking about it.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
This shit long past it.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
So what we think or our thoughts. I won't ask
for a rating, but.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
No, because we never do ratings.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, ultimately, I thought it was good.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I want to see where the rest of this, uh
this new franchise goes.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I agree, I liked it. I I don't know what
so Like my brother saw it last like a few
days ago and gave it a very strong eight and
a half rating out of ten. And it's good, But
I don't know that I'm that strong with it. Like,

(17:30):
I enjoyed it, and I definitely am looking forward to
seeing where it goes. But eight and a half might
be a little heavy for me. Okay, backed it off
to you know, something a little less than that. But
it was good. It was enjoyable. I watched a YouTube
afterwards because I was light awake, and it talked about.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Some of that explained You're like, oh, that's what that means.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
It was just it talked about some of the spoilers
and scenes that were cut, but also the guy was
talking about how, you know, there's lots of you know,
talk about how James Gunn is just you know, does
all this spoofy stuff or has goofy moments, and I'm like,
I don't know that. I felt that. I didn't didn't
feel overly goofy to me.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
But he's trying to make it more like the comic.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Books, and that's what I felt, yes.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Because he's you know, he wants that because like obviously,
like if you go one way or the other, if
you make it to looney Tunsy, it can be a
bit much because like you know, wacky stuff. But like
he wanted to bring it to where like the comic
books are, where like Superman does fight a giant monster.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Right, you know, all of that stuff made sense though,
Like I was totally okay with that stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I didn't feel goofy to me though, Yeah, no, I
I agree. I mean there's like there's even in this one,
there wasn't even like any like lapstick moments. I mean,
Guy Gardner was probably the border, like when he's at
the end when he's a spoiler fighting the war, you know,
fighting off the army and stuff, and he does the

(19:13):
little flick of his hand and all of a sudden,
the giant green hands come out of the ground flipping
tanks and stuff in some of our middle fingers.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's that's not as extensive as.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, and then that's just a Guy Gardner thing because
he's a fucking douche, right, But yeah, it's just like, yeah,
I don't know. People were like, well, even before they
people were seeing it, they're like, oh, he's gonna because
the trailer had like a couple like jokes in it.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I was like, how dare it be funny?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah? Like, oh no, have you like we we should
all know what's coming because we've seen well I don't
if not everyone's seen Peacemaker season one and uh the
Creature Commandos. There's jokes in there. It's a it's a
it's you know, it's a balance between uh dark and light,
heavy and sad, you know what I mean, Like you

(20:01):
want to have those moments. So like it's just I
was like, oh, whatever, fucking dummies.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah. So like for me, it was good, good balance
of a good balance of utilizing you know, really heavy
action and some really serious moments to humanize Collo, which
I think was a good job. I keep reference to

(20:35):
my brother, but he's very opinionated. As Cody knows, hated
the Snyder verse Superman because it was he felt it
wasn't very true to the you know, Superman being the
best of us type of a thing. So this did
a much better job of that for sure. Lots of
you know, purity type moments where uh you could go

(21:00):
one way or another, you know, between you know, being
darkish and the lightish and the decision making. They always
chose the lighter option, you know, the good the good route.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, because I mean he even when he was like
fighting uh spoiler the clone. Uh, they they had the
moment where he could have just unleashed and literally yeah
you know, and he didn't, I mean hit him with
a bus sort of or hitting I guess he hit

(21:33):
the bus with him because the bus was falling. It's
not like he picked the bus up.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, the bus that way.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, But yeah, I mean, there's a there's there's that
I mean, and uh, it's like I get it, Like
I like uh part of uh the Snyder verse, and
I like the darker tone, but like it just seemed
like they were, uh, well, I don't. We haven't seen

(22:01):
aything else yet from this DC universe yet, but the
movies just always felt like they weren't doing much other
than just making cool moments where this one had a
lot more character stuff in it, you know, and like
so it felt good that way too, but also like
when the action was happening yours, it was it felt

(22:25):
like super intense, Like when he's trying to like bust
up the Kaiju and stuff, and he's like just like
he does that whole like I don't even know what
you would call it other than like the drop cannon
ball thing he does to the guys, to to his head,
you know, And I was like, he's like, yeah, Hide's
real tough, and I'm like, dude, it's such a fucking

(22:47):
like Superman thing to say, like he could you know,
he's not looking for the soft bits. He's just trying
to find a way to like knock him out and
like get him away from like the people and stuff,
and then of course the Justic Justice game comes in
instantly start going for like the super soft spart like
eyeballs and fucking you know in the insides which man

(23:10):
talk about indigestions. Holy shit, man, I like the way
they showed that. Yeah, with the X ray vision.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, that was a well done, you know, CG type thing.
My technical terms drawn.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Spot today you are they are? I mean you need
to slow down a little bit. We have some listeners
who aren't exactly you know, up on their terms.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know. I sometimes you just got to catch up. Now.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I don't think it's a very fair comparison to do
the Snyder Verse Superman versus this Superman, mostly because, and
correct me if I'm wrong, this Snyder Verse Superman was
more of like a year one type thing. He was
still trying to find his way in the world. Oh yeah,
for sure, trying to find where his limits were and whatnot.
And this immediately starts off with hey, three years ago,

(24:01):
blah blah blah, or you know, three thousand years ago,
this is what happened three you know whatever, thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
This is what happened, right, Yeah, Because it starts off.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
This movie he's been Superman for three years. He kind
of knows what is, what it stands for, and whatnot.
He has a very strong moral compass, where I feel
like the Snyder's Superman was still trying to find who
he was and whatnot, and that was the real character
moments there where he wants to be this Superman but

(24:31):
is forced to not be this Superman type of thing.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
So I think they both have.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Their merits in in what the darker tone of the
Snyder verse was that it can't always be good.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, you have to.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Be able to do something bad and live with the
consequences of it. Whereas this one, Yeah, I still I
still really enjoyed it, Like it is the most First off,
I said this after we watched it, this is one
of the most James gun movies ever seen, Like you
can you could not I could have not known that
he had any hand in this, and I've been like, man,

(25:08):
this dude heavily inspired by James Gunn. Yeah, writing the
way it was, visuals, how it felt, everything was very
James Gunn. And then of course seeing you know, his
brother Sean gun and it would be like, you know,
James Gunn likes to put Sean Gun into into movies.
So this is a very short James Gun movie. That

(25:29):
being said, like I do kind of get the feeling
where some people are like, you know, hey, it's a
little bit too joky and whatnot. There are some scenes
where it's it feels like it should be a little
bit more tense and actionated and stuff. But somebody makes
a joke. But I honestly could see people doing that
in real life too.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
It's not too much of a bother to me.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
But just because it is a James Gun movie, it
felt somewhat like Guardians at at times is kind of
what I'm getting at, where they do just tend to
throw a joke in somewhere and you're like, okay, there's
a little good people whatever. But I will say like
the casting of this, oh man, I loved like everyone

(26:11):
that they casted in this movie. I think this is
like the best Lex Luthor, at least live action Lex
Luthor that I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
That is the running, the running thing that I've I've
heard as well as that everyone loves Nicholas Hold as
Alex Luthor, which you did great, So I got no
problems there. I could have done with it without the lowest.
Maybe it's the way that they portrayed her as you know,

(26:44):
to quote the film Punk rocketsh you know, and I
just I get how they would associate that with Lewis
Lane being a reporter, and how reporters always associated you know,
seeking the truth. I think that there were some spots
in the interview, the bedroom interview that or the Superman yeah,

(27:14):
almost that kitchen interview or whatever that I was that
it just seemed forced and so like it insisted that
she be really edgy against in the end everyone, and

(27:35):
I didn't see that as necessary.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, I mean I think the I think the scene
was was relatively well done.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I mean, it's it. She's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Like this hardcore journalist and wants to get the facts,
wants to get down to the truth, and ultimately Superman
or even you know.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Clark kent Is has this idea spoiler. I'm sorry, I
just got Gardner you, oh bitch, does he tell everyone
his secret?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
He's so trusting, he's super trusting, which, by the way,
off on a small tangent here. I do love that
they completely explain the glasses the glasses, and it just
makes it so that you kind of like, you know,
am I be you know, the people's brains to make

(28:30):
sure that it's not you know, they don't get the yeah,
the connection there. And I was like, okay, I love
I'm the type of person that loves those little things
in there that just explains something doesn't have to be
a major plot point. But a lot of people's problem
with Superman is just like he puts on a pair
of glasses and changes his is a haircut, and it's.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Suddenly like, yeah, nobody knows who he is.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Nobody knows who knows who he is. But at least
here I don't need to know where the glasses come from.
We've already said that it's been three years. You have
mister terrific right over there, you.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Know, and they know each other, so they know each other,
and it's.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Like you could explain something away as easy as that,
like this place is high technology, that I could believe
that this technology exists. That he just throws on these
classes and it creates some sort of like more of
like you don't really know what his face looks like. Yeah,
and so when he takes them off, and it's like,
oh my god, Superman.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Although at the same time at the very end when
Perry and.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Jimmy, Jimmy are talking and He's like how long those
two have been seeing each other and Jimmy's.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Like, I don't think three months. Yeah, it was pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
But going back to the interview park like I could see,
I could definitely see that.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Lois being wanting to be more.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Superman's even Clark Kent, he has this like ultimate idea
of that this is who I ultimately is.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I'm doing good obviously, right, I'm doing good.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
But she's like, no, you have to see it from
someone else's point of view that doesn't have superpowers. That
here you are coming in and just deciding things for people.
You know, you're not taking in geopolitical views and whatnot.
You're just flying in and saying that you're saving people.
What if I get like, you know, souls, you know,
sounds like the ultimate good thing to do, But you're

(30:25):
involving yourself and something.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
That you you you.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yourself might not fully understand and aren't really thinking things
through type of things. So that's why those hard questions
are there for, you know, to try and make him
realize that sometimes he might need to think about things
a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Do you think that changed him at all? Unt?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
No, No, He's ultimately gonna do what needs to be
done to save human life.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
And I think that's the essence of Superman as well.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And that's that's the that's the point of it. And
you know, obviously he can't it. He can't like on
a moral end, like fundamental level, he can't sit by
and watch anybody hurt another person. And it's like, you
know it and it it does it. It's because he
has these such unwavering moral like guidelines that like even

(31:22):
a reporter as I wouldn't say season, but like you know,
a veteran reporter like Lois, she can't fathom because she's
desensitized to so much, you know. And and the other
thing too, is like uh and it's a point to
a thing Lex says later in the movie in his
in his fucking you know yeah and his literal fucking

(31:45):
like breakdown breakdown yeah, he he says, you know, it's
it's you don't like we You came along and showed
us how weak we are. And it's like that's a
weak person, like realizing that they've been exposed versus Lois.

(32:07):
Is where she's a weak person because she's human, but
she is morally a better person, so her weakness isn't
seen as strength or power. It's more of her not
understanding that Clark, Superman wherever you want to call him
at that point, has this the ability to be not

(32:30):
just physically strong, but morally strong, and he doesn't know
how to, like I think Joe said, he doesn't know
how to balance that, like properly when it comes to
the dynamic of a situation like a war where he
can go in and like, yeah, he can, he can

(32:50):
pretcilize a tank with no problem. But it's like, also,
you know what if they the arm he was trying
to stop the dictatorship, you know, and and obviously we
know now they weren't. They were literally doing the opposite.
But it's like, you know, you have to you have

(33:12):
to like and he's like, no, we know that he's
this guy's bad, Like yeah, but do we do we
know the full story? And that was like that's her thing,
is like and that's kind of where the like where yeah,
she's punk rock, right, but like even in that moment,
you realize that she is not only questioning things in

(33:32):
a way that like even like the punk establishment when
she's trying to find a reasoning why versus just like
going against authority, right, because that's more like Superman would
be like more of the punk rock because he going
against the authority. Uh uh, you know the thing. But
like she's so far removed from like she's on the

(33:55):
outside looking in through the microscope versus like actually step in.
Because of that whole she knows she's not gonna fucking
stop a war with you know, anything she does. She
can throw words out there all she wants, but ultimately
words don't you know.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So that's the kind of like things like they they
did an interesting like I don't know if it's setting
more up later down the road, because I was thinking later,
Like when she was in Clark's bedroom wink wink, and
she was looking around and she realized like, oh, he's

(34:36):
not al. He wasn't he's not like made to be
this boy scout like he is not he's not fronting it.
She's looking around and yeah, and he's like oh. She's like, yeah,
he was raised this way by these two farmers in
the middle of nowhere. And she's looking at the room

(34:56):
and sees the you know, the poster for that band
that he liked, the crabjoy The Mighty Crabjoys. She's looking
around at all like the the like farming Awards and
and all these like things that and she's like, oh,
he literally is that boy scout. Like it's not that
he doesn't know any like he doesn't know any better.

(35:17):
He literally wants that, like that's what he strives to do. Yeah,
and it's like that's the I think that's the ultimate thing, too,
is like when you look at it, because she said
it to like mister Trivia. She she's gonna break up
with Superman because like they're so different, but she doesn't
realize that, yeah, they're different because she's essentially desensitized to

(35:39):
humanity where he does. He's the exact opposite of that.
All he wants to do is show the good in
humanity and make people better. And she's so cynical about
it that she's like, now I can't handle this. And
then of course at the end she's realized like, oh,
he's gonna do whatever he needs to. Plus he can fly,

(36:01):
so that's pretty dope. Yeah, I mean Jesus so yeah, no,
I I get what Toad is saying. About the going
back to what he was saying about the the whole
punk rock thing. I think they were trying to like
give that as like, uh, you know, like this is

(36:22):
the I think it's more of a front she puts
on now.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
M h.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Then then like she's like, she's not going out and
fucking you know, going to doing that spray paint on
fucking property thing saying stuff. But she's gonna she's definitely
gonna like push the edge in the in her reporting
and and and do that. But ultimately she knows she's
obviously not a fucking punk rock kid anymore, but that
that like that mindset of questioning authority and and finding

(36:47):
the real the real answer, uh, is always there. And
by the end of the movie, she's realizing that there's
more to it, I think. And obviously she's madly in
love with a guy who can fly and punch the
monsters in the face.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, seemed to flay reckless for them to just be,
you know, floating around in a fucking open uh maultla area,
you know, making out. But you know what do I know?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
I mean it means you know, evacuated.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Nobody was just gonna potentially.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Walk in other other than military, and uh, a couple
of reporters all of the ms, but they obviously can
see them through the you know, the glass if they
needed to. But also like it's there's a reason they
went away from everybody.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, Plus Superman has X ray vision. I'm pretty sure
he actually has. I mean they didn't establish that.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
In this right, but it's it's a probably does.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
You'd be searching around just be like, I don't see
anybody here.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
We're good. Let the fucking commence.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
These buildings already wrecked, so we're gonna wreck them some more.
See how that building's wrecked? Get it? I don't want
to erect Yeah, I uh, there's a lot of cool
And Joe and I were talking about this last night
on the drive home, uh the super long drive home.

(38:18):
We had how like they're they're setting up a lot
of things in this obviously, but like not in a
way where like like they did in like the Batman v.
Superman movie, where they're like it's literally all that movie
was for was to set up the fact there's other
heroes that we're gonna be going after. It was more

(38:39):
of like this was setting up more Superman stuff, like
with whole like the Clone guy, uh getting you know,
knocked into the black hole and yeah, like nobody comes
out of a black hole. This this is a fuck
of course someone is gonna come out of black hole.
But obviously that sets up a perfect ability to have
a bizarro yeah, because he's dumb, right, Like he's just

(39:01):
as powerful as Superman. But like, obviously it doesn't lie. Yeah,
but when you whatever happens to him when he goes
through that, obviously he can like affect him in a
way where like he would essentially be a bizarro Superman.
You obviously have this setup with the spoil alert for
the post credit scene a Supergirl and then either showing

(39:24):
off that she's like kind of not a good person, yeah,
not at all.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
That cameo makes me is a little weird to me though,
because it makes me question.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Where she Obviously we.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Know where she was for the whole entire movie, but
like where she was for the previous time before because
Lex Luthor wants to kill Superman for the reasons that
he explains in in the movie, but wouldn't he have
the same desire to do that for a Supergirl as well?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So I don't think she's ever been on Earth as
like as a hero.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
So that's why I was wondering, like it was a
little bit confusing to me that she shows up and
it's like, has she been a hero here on Earth?
Does it anybody else know about her? Like what's going
on there? Obviously they can explain it later if they
if they if or when, I don't know, if they're
doing a super Supergirl movie.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
They are, they're doing a movie.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
That was the one thing that kind of got made
of like, oh cool that that you know, Supergirl. Has
she been a hero here? Why isn't Lex going after
her as well?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
No, So I'm sure they'll explain it. But she spends
all of her time off Earth, not just partying, but
she well, she's she's basically essentially like she wants to
be as good as Clark or Kalel, but she's also

(40:56):
she's more like traumatized because she was older when uh
when when she left Krypton, where Clark obviously doesn't because
he was a he was a bebe, so she was
She's like I don't even know if she was technically
on in this version, but she was already on Earth

(41:19):
and wasn't a hero until later on but she was
never a hero on Earth. She was always uh going
somewhere else, uh, because she only ended up on Earth
by accident uh her her parents uh sent her out
I remember where they actually sent her. And then Clark

(41:39):
was chosen to like his by his parents to put
him on Earth because the fact that they were humanoid.
And obviously we get to explore more of that message
that we don't fully understand, uh and get because obviously,
you know, yeah, you know, obviously we got the second
half of the message. But when you look at it objectively,

(42:02):
which obviously people aren't gonna do because that's what people
do in the in the I'm talking in the context
of the movie, not people in real life, but in
the in the movie world. They just see this, you know,
ultimate figure who they thought was good, and now they
get this message saying that he's there to conquer him.
But when you watch it, the message is jarbled, like

(42:23):
it cuts up. So, yeah, part of that might be
true and it is authentic, right, but we didn't get
the full sentences of the thing, so we don't know
what was in there. During that statement when he says,
you know, like if they stand against you, you can
kill them and it's like still question whether.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Or not the translation is like truly literal there because what.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
I'm saying it probably is, but there's words missing, and
and lex either edit it that way. So when they
looked at it like oh yeah, because they even like
that message, the recovered one wasn't a whole message. It
was still jumbly right from the beginning to the middle
to the end. So he could subjectively edit that portion
of it, and so it doesn't look like it's edited,

(43:07):
but like the jarbal parts, you can make that look like,
you know, whatever you want. If you leave out parts
of the message, they'll never know. So there could be
some other key adjectives in there that are saying, you know,
other things that we just don't know yet.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
We're also translating from an alien language.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
That's point I think. You know, nothing is going.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
To be one for one, even in human language, and
we're translating from one thing to another. Going to be
words or phrases or something in one language that don't
translate well to another language.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Like if we take it literally and equated to something
like the Bible, that old language being translated into new
language is never one for one. So we're we're sometimes
we're just making up the word we think.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Belongs there, or the meaning yeah, or the meaning yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
So like that that really opens up a lot of things,
a lot of potential of you know, misunderstanding, and you know,
perhaps there's more to be gleaned in this movie series.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
From that as a result, So I look forward to
more of it for sure. What else? What was? What
else is happening? You could definitely see Engineer not really
trusting Lex anymore after what he put her through, uh,
because she was one of those like mindless like yah,

(44:36):
I'm gonna follow, like I gave you everything, like I
let you rewrite my DNA, and like it was funny
too because I at the end, Lex even tried to
save her, but like obviously not like he didn't he
didn't care if she delivered died, but he wanted his
his his tool to be not destroyed. But you could

(45:00):
definitely see her apprehension towards the end there too, if
like you know, like oh, like yeah, I'm gonna do
what you tell me too, because like for some reason
she hates Superman just as much as he does, you know,
But like I also think that's more of like the
what Perry was talking or were they were talking about,
like how he's brainwashing his like devotees to think that

(45:23):
he's gonna build this technological just you know, you know
in the middle desert country. Well obviously he was just
going there for the money in power that would it
would come with it. But you can kind of see
like her wavering this at the end, Like you know,
I could see because she's ultimately I'm not gonna say
the Authority is good or good guys, but they're definitely

(45:46):
not villains, and she's part of a group called the
Authority later on down the line, yeah, and they're obviously
they're making an authority. I think it's a movie. Almost
suspect with that it's a movie, but I could see
that being more of like, oh, she's gonna be and

(46:07):
she's probably n end up being like a tool that
that Rick Flagg Senior probably utilizes on his meta human
police forcing group because yeah, she's a meta human and
obviously that's what they used the men of humans for
on his task force.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's just what was her face wrapped in a.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Smaller boat Amana Waller. He's less hatred like Amanda Waller,
like truly hates Yeah, she's a she's a piece of
garbage for sure. Rick Flagg Senior he has a bone
to pick with a certain uh vigilante hero as well
because the murdering of his son. But he's ultimately he's

(46:51):
a soldier too, so like he's at the the the
the whim of whoever is in charge of him at
that time. And he doesn't hate meta humans. He just
wants law and order, you know what I mean. He's
that kind of he's a soul. He's a soldier through
and through, but he doesn't he And that's the whole thing.

(47:12):
Is like when he was like like he never took
a side with lex was trying to persuade them to
let him take down Superman, even Rick flag.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Was it was like, yeah, he was always somewhere in
the middle.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
It's like, you can't we can't know for a fact
that he is you know, like he questioned the video,
he questioned you know, the moral standard of the whole thing.
He's like, yeah, we get it, he's powerful, but he's
yet to show anything. Yeah, you know. And it's like
but like, uh, obviously, like you know now he's looking

(47:46):
at Lexing. Oh so I was right, not to trust him,
but also like what the fuck is happening? You know,
it's like we are so like and the one guy
said the same thing as like basically what Rick was thinking,
I guess was like, oh no, how the meta humans
dictate what's going on? Because like at the end of
the movie, the Justice Gang shows up and man handles

(48:08):
that army the same way that Superman did obviously right
and then but without any like they didn't get told
to go, they just went and did it. And then
Superman was like obviously, like you know, kind of like
the you can kind of see like the leader he
doesn't want to be in like the Justice League kind
of come out. He's like, yeah, I called him some

(48:29):
some friends, and it's like, oh, he organized this. So
like the Justice Gang can go handle the the less
not when I say less important, but like the non
focal point of like les and and obviously like probably
the destruction of the world because like that rift eventually
would have just black hole the whole planet. So that

(48:52):
was a pretty pretty cool way of doing it too.
I'm trying to think of other stuff that was in
it that was potentially more Obviously, the Pocket Universe is
a big thing, because technically they rebuild Krypton in a
Pocket universe. At one point, the interventional imp was pretty
funny scene, which is a great way to explain that

(49:18):
weird fucking image that James Gunn released like a year
ago where Clark was putting on his boots with that
giant what looked to be space eyeball in the background.
Now we know the space Eyeball wasn't just attacked, wasn't
just attacking the city, was actually fighting the Justice Gang.

Speaker 3 (49:32):
Which I will say, like, great on them for showing
you those scenes, but heavily.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Editing out, Yeah, what was going on because.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
You do have those scenes.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
I remember specifically liked you show that in the background
he's putting on his boots and it's like, oh, what
moral of the lemma is he's doing? What's happening to
him right now that he's kind of taking his time
to do that, versus do take care of that thing
out there, you know what's going on. And it just
turns out that no, the you know, the Justice Gang
is actually taking care of that, and you can see

(50:05):
Guy Gartner just hitting it with a baseball bat in
the background and stuff, and then him and Los.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Are just having this thing the cocoa party foreground while.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
This thing is happening in the background. Yeah, so good
on them. There was a few scenes. That's the biggest
one that I can think of right now in the
top of my head. But while the movie was going,
it was like, I remember that scene from the trailer,
but that that that that that we're not.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
In this Yeah, we're not in that scene. So good
on them.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah. Haul of Justice was a cool, little like thing
with the Obviously there's probably some stuff we missed in
there because there's like the mural in the background. Someone
took a photo of it, which really just pissed me
off that you're taking photos in the fucking movies either.
But some one.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Of those movies that you're gonna have to watch again
and again again, And there were so many because I
was actually gonna ask you guys, who was what was
what was your favorite like cameo surprise thing, because we're
already mentioning stuff. The Hall of Justice, Like I would
not have guessed the Hall of Justice would be in
this movie. This to me, that was like that would
be more like someone says, hey, let's call ourselves the

(51:12):
Justice League, don you know? And then maybe hints at
towards the end that they're building the Hall of Justice,
not that it's just like, oh, it's there, it's already building.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
They built it.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
The the justice guys already.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Justice guy, Hey, hey Justice Gary are already there.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
You know type of thing.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
So what was your guys? Because I'm looking at I'm
even looking at a list of actors here, and one
of the ones that jumps out to me is like
Mike Michael Brooker.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Was in this movie, and I was like, yeah, and
I didn't know where.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Well, he apparently played Superman.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Robot number one? Who was who else was one of
the robots?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Sorry? Gary as he's now known Gary. Yeah, a lot
of a lot of past Gun associates were voices of
the robits. I know, uh uh, what's her name? Plays
Mantis Palm. Oh yeah, she was originally said to have

(52:19):
been one of the voices, but I saw a list
the other day where she wasn't listed as one of them.
I was like, I wonder if she got cut or
maybe she just that was more of a rumor than
anything else.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Yeah, because she was just attached to James Gun.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Uh, Plus she was busy not dying in Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Very true.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
I mean honestly, for me, it's hard. It's hard to pick,
but I I kind of like, uh, Metamorpho. You know,
that's a character that I would never have guessed to
have been in the movie so early.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, it was interesting, I mean, very well used he was.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That's why it was just like oh oh oh shit, okay,
like it made.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Sense in the in the plot so well.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, and baby Joey was a pretty good cameo as well. Uh,
I think my favorite cameo or real cameo cameo. I'm
not saying joe Years wasn't a good pick because he
wasn't a starring role, but it's just for me, like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
You know, I would never have guessed going into this
movie that obviously we would see a lot of these
characters that are already established within the Superman meethos. But
then that seeing that was just like, oh shit, we're
like really delving into things here.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah, yeah, surprise characters. I think popping up in a
Peacemaker was like my favorite because it was like a
perfectly timed one two because like he obviously he mocks
a lot of the superheroes, uh in in his because
he like he sees himself as like a true born
hero because he's not really like it's not really a

(54:03):
meta human, like he just is very much like sort
of I'm not gonna say like Batman, because that's a
fucking terrible comparison. Like he's like he's more human, but
he has tools, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's you know,
he's a good, good fighter and strong or whatever. Right,
but he's not like Superman or Metamorpho or mister Trific
or anything like that, because like mister Trific, his superpower

(54:25):
is his his intelligence, which, by the way, he was
fantastic in this movie. Uh. And I want him to
have his own stuff and not just to set the
rights that were wrong in m C or the early
Marvel movies. Can't call him MCU because it's not technically
MCU movies. Yeah, m C EU. But like, uh, I

(54:52):
really like that. And then the Justice Gang in general
is just a fun thing to have in it. And
I think Joe and I actually talked to us before,
or might have been Mike with Mike on here. Like
I like the fact that they weren't just drop in, like, oh,
here's the Justice Gang. And then they're gone. They were

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actually involved in the movie, but like you know, obviously
like as side characters, like Perry was a side character,
Jimmy was a side character. Eve was a side character.
But they weren't just like, oh, they're in and then
they're gone.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
Towards the plot.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
This is I know, supporting characters or when or if.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
It ever aired, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
One of my biggest worries about this movie.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
About any movie where you know, you have so many
known characters, and obviously there were so many unknown characters
and here that I know about, you can lose the
plot and things just become overcomplicated. But I think they
handled it really well with all these side characters and
having the Justice Gang in there again already established and whatnot,

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actually helping in times of crisis, as you would hope
that they would do, not not singularly things not you know,
this is a Superman movie, so every every plot is
going to be solved by Superman.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Here.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
No, they were there to help Superman in these things,
which I really enjoyed, and so I really liked their
inclusion in it. It was really well done.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Do you what do you say about I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
I had a favorite, like I really enjoyed. If I
had to choose a favorite, probably be Peacemaker because I
really enjoyed the show and all that. But I do
like I just read and I didn't register that Christopher
Ree's son is in the movie as a reporter. I
really like that. I think that's really awesome.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
That's that's one that's like an actual cool cameo called
multiple levels, because he's a reporter obviously. He's actually I
don't know if you know this Tode. We were talking
about this, Yes, I was talking. I was telling Joe
about this yesterday and page in real life, he's a
he's a he's a reporter. I did not know that
he works for Good Morning America.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
That's even better.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Yeah, but they brought him in just for that that
part where he basically was a reporter in Metropolis obviously,
which is just obviously a cool nod to Christopher Reeve
being who Christopher Reeve was, And you know, that was
pretty cool. And so yeah, cameo cameo. That's probably like
one of the best ones because like that's like real

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life and stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That's meeting on top of the meeting.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, that was pretty cool. Also, to have Jonathan Kent alive.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Far into and not dying for any reason.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
There's obviously you can see later on being a devastating
moment because like the emotions were already high with them
and like when he does go, it's gonna be like
that scene from Guardians through with the with Rocket's Friends
type level where it's like emotional terrorism and we're not talking.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
About the nine age. Ye, I'm not even to have
that conversation.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I'm just saying they're setting it up.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I like how they really want to heavy on having
what can I think of her name? Clark's mom call
him mushy all the time, and it shows in the
It shows often in the movies how sentimental he is.
But it makes total sense.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of some o there ones
that were in there that were cool. I mean there
was a lot of obviously like Joseph, there's a lot
of characters like Kat Grant was in there, Steve was
in there, and No, it's funny because like those two
characters are so not Superman like Superman adjacent there Clark

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adjacent characters because like Cat Grant at one point dates Clark,
and then Steve is obviously like Ribving, he's bullying Clark
in it. You know, I did like his uh when
he was in the the the te craft and he's like,

(59:31):
why don't I get a seat? It's like, because they
have way too many people.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Dude pulls out some ALCA cells at one point with
them with them.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
But all right, someone who apparently has a need for
it all the time. I mean, he's probably better than
that than throwing up or shitting yourself, uh, in those situations.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I suppose fair enough, he's.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Probably done that several times. He carries Alcus Setser with him.
He's like, he's probably got a pocket full of tombs,
like all sorts of shit. I'm trying to think it's
some other ones that were really cool in there. Oh
so I was in it. I forgot to bring this
up with joelast night. Is the last point I'll make
before we wrap this up. But uh, I thought there

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were so many cool little setups early on in the
movie that played out and if you weren't paying like
I didn't pay attention enough to what they was happening
in those but like they paid off at the end
of the movie, and the one that was the biggest
one that was like, I feel like we were actually

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one of Joe with the with Ultraman being the clone.
I was like, I figured that out right away. I
was like, okay, so clearly that's why they keep him
his face covered. He is a clone of Superman. And
I was like, he's gonna be an unstable Superman. I
thought maybe they were gonna because at first I was
talking on page this a couple of days ago, I
almost thought they were and use parasite as Ultraman, uh

(01:01:04):
and have that, and that's the way they basically, uh
weakened Clark enough to like, you know, do damage because
like obviously like you can't really like you punch him
and he's like, yeah, he's not really getting hurt yet.
But once they opened the Fortress of Solitude, I was like, oh,
he's a clone. So that's why, because even the robots
didn't realize that. They just assumed it was Clark or

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Colail at that point. But Eve being the mastermind and
the fact that she was literally like you just think
she's this idiot, but she's was literally the entire time
was building blackmail. So if if Lex ever went against her,

(01:01:50):
she could literally take him down. I was like, that's
so fucking clever, and like just tells you that she's
not actually that dumb.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Right, even presented that was really well because she's in
the server room.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
You're like, holy shit, she's like connected.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
To the server.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
She's doing stuff you know that she had the ability
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
And then she you see the pictures that she sent
Jimmy and you're like, oh, no, she's just dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
She's just dumb in the way. And then yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
That you see the stuff in the background when they
figured it out, and you're like, oh, oh, okay, he's
actually yeah that dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, yeah, Like she she knows that she's the kind
of smart where like she could play up being that
vapid idiot, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Being dumb, and it works to her advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Yeah, And I'm like, oh, dude, that's so fucking good, dude,
because like she and it's and it's funny because like
when you when he when Jimmy sends that text, I
was like, and he says and he says, oh uh,
he's being held in a pocket universe. I was like,
it's Eve, like his sources Eve. And then he meets
her like two scenes later, right, And I was like

(01:02:54):
I at that point, being as smart as sometimes I
am about these things, I should have guessed that's how
they're gonna use her. But even then I'm still thinking
she's so stupid. But like, even in that moment, the
part where she says, oh, he can monitor the traffic
cameras and know where I'm at, should have given us

(01:03:15):
an indication of how actual actually smart she is and
how cunning she is avoid a lot like you have
you know, like yeah, you know he can track you, right,
and and she's still going away, But also she knows
how much danger she's in if I'm meaning meeting Jimmy,

(01:03:36):
but she still does it. And it's like she knows
for a fact there's other exes and people who have
crossed les that are in this pocket internet that like, oh,
you shop, probably shouldn't do this, But she's smart enough no,
Like if she goes missing, that data is probably gonna
get out and she could probably use that against him

(01:03:58):
and he would never know. So that was was I
was like, that's and she knew how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
To avoid the spaces where she knew he would be
able to see her. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
I was like, that's just so well like written and
done I was like, God, damn, that's so good. Also,
Lexic clearly has a type because uh, tall, leggy, and
blonde apparently.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I'm just saying, yeah, she wrote a blog about me.
I was like, brother, you put her in a fucking timeless,
fucking prison cell in a Yeah. I was like Jesus thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
That people really don't even do anymore? Do people blog anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's it's more
of a well, I mean we didn't even know how
long she was in there, tell you truth, because like
it's an X but it's like, yeah, but like how
far removed? Because in the Pocket universe you don't actually
age or need food or anything that because it's like
you feel like you've only been in there for like
a while, like a little like you could be in
there for like seven years and you don't really have

(01:05:02):
any detriment. You won't get hungry or thirsty or anything
like that. But we don't even know what she could
have been there for like seven years. We don't actually know.
But the monkey thing actually just thinking about it, riding
the blog post is so funny because like it's obviously
like a jab at like the idiots on the internet, right,

(01:05:23):
just being a bunch of monkeys, but also like the
fact that he went as far as uh to smear
his enemies on the internet. Uh, just for spite really,
because like it's not gonna do anything. It's not gonna
do ultimately, not gonna do anything other than just make
that person feel bad, which to someone as naive in

(01:05:44):
a way that Superman is like does bother him to
his core, like the whole super shit thing. I was like,
that's pretty, that's pretty, that's pretty good because like he
just knows well, he doesn't know no, but he's like,
NAB's gonna do it enough to to piss someone off.
It's like, you're such a petty piece of shit. I
love it. Oh, I was gonna say before I again,

(01:06:06):
last thing I promise before we wrap it up. Taj
mentioned this earlier. I think it was Todje that said
it earlier about Nicholas Holton, like his rants and like
how perfect he wasn't it. So do you guys know
that both Nicholas Holt and David Cornsweat actually auditioned for
Superman really? Yeah, so they actually were going against each

(01:06:32):
other for the role. And James said, hey, like, unfortunately,
I don't think you're a good fit for Superman, but
how about Lex? And so in an interview, I didn't
know this would be as I don't want to say
it's not spoilerly, but basically like shows you what Nick

(01:06:57):
Holt can do. Is an interview, they were talking like,
you know, obviously, what what did you take away from
like or what did you bring to the part of Lex?
And he tried to be magnanus, like you know, he
tried to look at all the different iterations that are
from the cartoons, the comic books, the live action, all
that stuff and try to like utilize a lot of

(01:07:17):
that but make it my own. But he said, uh,
in an interview when they're talking about him not getting
the role of Superman, and he's like, I actually used
that in a way with Lex. And then that monologue,
that break that he has at the end where he
fucking loses his shit in front of everybody, like you
kind of get that, Like all I see, I think

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he actually did use some of that, like what would
have been animosity towards like David cornsweat being Superman as
Lex did for Clark. For basically Superman being Superman where
he's like, oh I was hot shit, like I was
the limelight and then you come along and you're everything

(01:08:01):
good and you're not like and he wanted to obviously
bring down a pig and he's talking about like, you know,
you are showing us how we're weak and like I'm
envious and like that whole part. I was like, that's
actually really clever because like you could use like not
that he was. I don't think he was ever like down,
you know, yeah, but it was like emotional letdown of
like I could have been the ultimate role of Superman

(01:08:24):
and staid. I get Lex and it's like, oh, that's
a pretty cool, little like way of using that. So
that was really well and he was so good, like
it's broty well dude, so well as Lex.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
I can't wait to see what they do with his
character in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Yeah, wash. I Like I felt like there was a
really intentional focus on separating Superman's height er you know,
Clark's height and Superman's height from everyone else. So like

(01:09:00):
there were a lot of above angles that they used
and all that to really that that actually you know,
accentuated that type difference between Corn sweat, and some of
the people around him, like they some of the actors
they you know, that were around him more often were
always shorter, and so like he towered above. There was

(01:09:21):
a there's a part where he was walking into the
planet yep, and he's kind of hunched over a little bit,
you know, kind of the way he walks is kind
of hunchy, but like he stands up really tall anytime
he's in the suit, and there's this noticeable difference in
the height that I think was really cool, you know,

(01:09:42):
to use, because you know, you kind of think of
Superman in that way of you know, big bright boulder.
And I don't know if it was intentional or if
it's just something that caught my eye, but I really
enjoyed seeing it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Is so David corns at six four in real life
before you put him in the boots. When you add
those boots, obviously he's going to have another like inch
or so, so like six five sixty six, right, and
he literally like one of the inspirations for this story.
And Joe knows this is a comic book called Absolute
Superman or All Star Superman. And in that Clark and

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Superman have they do a very good job with the
art to kind of dig like show a difference between
when he's in the Superman suit when he's in the
Clark suit, the clothes that he wears, the suits he wears,
our bag ear, they're oversized. He does hunch. He actually
pushes out his belly a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
As a side note, I noticed that when he's walking
through the Daily People for the first time, you can
see that the suit is a little bit bigger yep,
and seems outsized for him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yeah, So they intentionally in this movie took that from
the All Star Superman run and use that for him,
where he basically he wears suits that are slightly off
his size. Obviously, his hair is dishovel a little different way.
He does slouch a little bit more. He's more bumbling,
you know, like he's he's and he's like, you know,

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he doesn't have he doesn't put out this air of confidence,
but when he talks to Lois, he puts on bravado,
like he tries to act more confident, which obviously to
her she knows, but like, but to Jimmy, like that's
like this, that's who Clark is. Like He's like this,
like he's trying to be this reporter, which you know

(01:11:36):
is obviously hilarious, but like, yeah, he does he and
he like he bumps into people and says he's sorry,
and like he's he's like bumbly whatever. And like they
did that with like the Christopher Reeve Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Like to minimize himself in an inn.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
A sense yep, you know, like he's like always apologizing
and dropping stuff or whatever, and Clark's desk was all
messy and like his he's not like uh as I
just want to say, is again confident and like you know,
like but when like you could see it in an
interview in the apartment interviewer, as Tash says the bedroom interview,

(01:12:13):
you could see the difference when he when she calls
him Superman. He actually went from leaning over to like
sitting up right, and then his like even his voice
changed where he's that Superman voice versus that like where
he was like that normal, like I'm just me voice
to Lewis. As soon as that recorders on, he was
like I gotta put on the Superman like persona, you know,

(01:12:39):
and then like it was just it was cool way,
but yeah, they were they they talked about that in
one of the interviews I watched where one of the
big inspirations is was also Superman, and they they wanted
to utilize a lot because in that version in that
comic Clark is in Superman. Are Matt there there, He's massive,
He's barrel at that point, like he's really grown as

(01:13:02):
a like a human being, like physically, and obviously like
in this one they don't want to do. Superman doesn't
need to be no offense to Henry Calvill, who's just
a smoke shown his own right just naturally. He's got
fucking beefy, right, which is cool because like that makes
it anesthetic cool. But like there's a difference between like
a good physique versus like being jacked like thor jacked,

(01:13:26):
you know. But he like he doesn't need to be
like when Joe and I talked to this before, he
doesn't need to be fucking muscle bound.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
He's just not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
He's just strong. Yeah, So it doesn't need to be
like that. So like when in that comic book when
he's Clark, he he does slunch slouch, his belly kind
of comes out a little bit. It looks like he's
kind of like pot bellied in a way almost like
dad body in a way, as someone say, but like
when he puts the suit on, he's he's slim, he's

(01:13:56):
his chest is out, his stomach is in. He's just
fucking yoked. And at that point he's been Superman for
like thirty something years. But yeah, so I thought was
pretty cool just the way they kind of paid homage
to that as well, like the frank quietly way of
drawing Clark with like the you know, the suit that's
a little too big, the shirt that's kind of like messy,

(01:14:17):
doesn't really wear a tie, you know, always like he's
just grabbing his fucking newspaper in his coffee and all
fun stuff. And that was just a cool way of
doing it. So that is a good thing you pick
You picked that up to us. They definitely worked on
that as like a thing like to differentiate not just
having hypno glasses on, which is a cool comic book

(01:14:39):
reference in general, but like he is, like he plays
a character just as he's playing that character of Superman,
uh to be like the obviously like the symbol that
he wants to be, but he's then has to play
that character as Clark, so he can try to be
normal as well, so that was cool. So ye, all right,

(01:15:04):
that'll be it for this week's episode. Comes naturally. We
have been Joe and and I've been Cody, and as usual,
you fuckers just came naturally.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Bye, but