July 25, 2025 • 65 mins
On this week's exciting episode, the guys kick off the discussion by diving into the impressive ticket sales for the highly anticipated 70mm IMAX release of Christopher Nolan's cinematic masterpiece, The Odyssey, which is generating buzz a whole year in advance of its release. They analyze the factors contributing to this early enthusiasm, including the film's unique visual style, Nolan's reputation for crafting intricate narratives, and the growing trend of audiences seeking out immersive viewing experiences in theaters. The conversation then transitions to the recent news surrounding a potential reboot of the beloved Indiana Jones franchise, sparking a lively debate among the hosts about the implications of revisiting such an iconic series. This leads to a nostalgic exploration of the franchise's rich history, highlighting its cultural impact and the reasons it resonates so deeply with audiences, particularly when set against the backdrop of historical events. The guys discuss how the original films expertly blend adventure with historical context, creating a sense of authenticity that may be challenging to replicate in a modern setting. They ponder whether contemporary storytelling techniques and technology can capture the same spirit of adventure and wonder that defined the original Indiana Jones films, or if a reboot would risk alienating long-time fans. As the discussion unfolds, Joe takes the opportunity to share an intriguing story about the first two cast members who were approached for a live-action adaptation of the iconic video game series, The Legend of Zelda. He delves into the behind-the-scenes details, revealing the casting process and the excitement surrounding the project, as well as the challenges of translating such a beloved video game into a film format. The guys reflect on the potential pitfalls and triumphs of adapting video games for the big screen, drawing parallels to other successful and unsuccessful adaptations in the past. This segment not only highlights the significance of casting in bringing characters to life but also touches on the broader implications of how adaptations can shape the legacy of the original material. Overall, this episode promises to be a captivating blend of nostalgia, analysis, and speculation that will engage both film buffs and casual listeners alike.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There's multiple people on the call, the volume like the
volume actually goes up, so you have like I have
to turn it down on the board.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh weird. I thought it was opposite. I went up.
Every time that you're trying to connect to TAJ.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You would think, m h.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
But nope, but nope, he says.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But nope, m.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
But nope.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Mm hmmm but nope. Yeah, yeah, indeed, mm hmmmm mmmmmm.
(01:04):
So what's up, buddy?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Nothing much, all right, you know, not a whole lot
this week from my personal wise, it just h it's
very weirdly slow week.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It felt like I did feel that way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, I just hoping the weekend would come and then
be done with it. But beyond that, nothing really uh,
nothing really interesting happened this week?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, not much of all, actually, mm hmm. This week
seemed like it was, like you said, dragging on, but
also seemed like it just went by really fast in
a weird way.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Good for you, because I remember every single day just
being like, oh my god, what day is it.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's like, it's only Tuesday. It's only Tuesday. Only Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Look to me, it seemed like the weekend like nine
days in it. But also like I don't remember a
whole lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, and then what I love, it's already it's the weekend,
and it's like, sweet, it's the fucking weekend. It's sorry,
it's already Sunday. It's like, man, what did I do Saturday?
I helped my brother build a upgradest computer.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's what I did. So I basically worked.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Better paid as a what what would you build a
new one? Or rebuilding?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So he's been trying to to play some games. He's
been doing a lot of like Linux gaming, and so
he's been He got Hellan Wake too up and running
on his older computer, which he had a I five
three no five five fifth gen something or other Intel processor.
(02:54):
He's got a sixteen sixty TI graphics card. But when
he tried to play Alan Wake, it like could do it,
but just not great, and that like the minimum requirements
on that thing was like a seventh gen Intel processor.
So he's been thinking about upgrading those his processor motherboard
RAM for a little while now, and so that's what
(03:17):
we went through.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Surprisingly, best Buy had all the components.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You wanted to do it yesterday, because if you didn't
do it, then it wouldn't get done type of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So got him.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
A rise in seven fifty eight decks with a Amici
motherboard and some course air ram and then upgraded is
cooler as well, got it all in there, it runs better, like, yeah,
it does run better now, but you can definitely tell that.
(03:51):
The next thing he's going to have to upgrade is
his graphics card maybe in a year or so.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But it's pretty nice, I mean nice things. You probably
can just pop a new one in there and not
have to really worry about anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, the graphics card.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, with the with the setup that he has right now,
just take it out, put a new one in. And
even then, he's never been one for like needing the
most graphics, you know, like the best of the best
at any given time.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's why going with.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The A the older A four platform like am D
still somewhat supported that within the last year, we're gonna
came up with new chips for it or new processors
for it. Who knows if they might surprise release something
this year or next or whatever. But as far as
graphics card widse, yeah, like he'd probably be happy with
(04:45):
like a like a six thousand series am D card
or maybe a thirty series graphics card by next year,
maybe even forty series, but depending on how much things
are next year. So, like I said, it runs, and
Alan Wake too, like even struggled on my system. And
(05:08):
I have a not top of the line but just
like one step down from a top of the line
that I built two years ago, so that that thing
struggled on there too. So the way it runs, it's
like it's perfectly playable. I don't know what the fps
looks like, but it's it actually is. But it looks
like probably somewhere around forty fps, which first on people
wouldn't be one hundred percent playable, but when you're used
(05:30):
to playing on a Steam deck, which is what he does,
it's like it still looks really good and it's still playable.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well that's the most important part though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, And like I said, Alan Wake is too, is
it is more of an intense game other games, uh,
not as intense as that should play perfectly fine on there.
But at least he's ready for more upgrades.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
In the future, a little bit of future proofing, A.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Little bit of future proofing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, and it's running Linux too, which is pretty fun
for him. He's got a destro called Menjaro that he's running,
and then it's just got Steam installed and that's where
he's getting these games from. And for the most part
is the part is it seems like as long as
it runs on a Steam deck, which is based off
the Linux kernel, then it should have no problem playing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Playing on his system.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's good. That's good. I was trying to pull up
if there was anything did I send anything this week
other than trailers?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You sent them trailers.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There were some news this week that I had saved.
Might as well get one of the big ones out
of the way, which is Christopher Nolan's Odyssey went on
sale this past week. The article from the Inverse that
(07:08):
I have here says that there's thirty apparently in the
tire and I didn't know this. That's why I'm starting
with this. I didn't know there's only thirty, like seventy
millimeters imax theaters in the world, according to this Inverse article.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, there's not many, because it's not many at all.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a big format like I've seen the giant fucking
six foot reels or whatever it is that they use
for this size of a projector so I guess that
makes sense. According to this article, though only twenty five
theaters will be have already released tickets, so of the thirty,
(07:53):
only twenty five. As of this writing of the article,
all theaters have been sold out except for one, which
was in Regina, Saskatchewan.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I imagine by now that one's sold out as well.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Saskatchewan.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
People have already put up tickets on.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
eBay trying to resell them. Let's see as of today,
three hundred dollars is starting bid. But buy it now
for seven hundred, three hundred dollars one hundred ninety nine,
three ninety nine five point forty nine. Yeah, there's not
(08:40):
a there's only like ten or fifteen on here, at
least according at least from the top results here. But
that's ridiculous that people have bought Imax theater tickets and
are trying to resell them.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And the thing is this, Okay, these are all like
early showings, right, the ones that are like like, we
have one here in Arizona technically, and it's the one
at Arizona Mills has the ability to do the seventy
millimeter and according to it, it is sold out. But
(09:22):
the thing is that's just the first showing. There's only
one listed, So if you're going out to buy these
tickets on fucking eBay or wherever from somebody, you just
wait until it gets the released next year and there'll
be more showing. They're not showing it once and then
that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That would be oh my god, that would be the
first off. That would just.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Kill box obviously, that would kill box office returns for
this thing and kill any That'd be such a weird
way of doing things. But but yeah, I know you're right,
like there's going to be other imax, Like this is
just the first showing of the day, and then once
we get closer they're going to release other showings throughout
the day that you could buy.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So it's just ridiculous that people.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't even know if anything's like, let me go
back to that, because I don't think anybody there's like
zero bids on any of these things. Zero bids. This
one says we're best offer, but it doesn't show any bids.
These are just buy it now. There's three people watching
one for two hundred dollars, so dumb dude, four people
(10:29):
watching another one for two hundred dollars. Yeah, Like it's
so freaking dumb that they're doing this. But there are
gonna be other showings and you're gonna be able to
watch it in your standard theater as well. We could
go get tickets for the uh one if we wanted
(10:50):
to once it gets closer.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, Like, it's just I don't know. It's so weird
to me because I don't understand why they're doing this
first off, but also like, why are people jumping on like, Oh,
I'm gonna be one of the first ones to see it. Awesome. Cool,
I'm gonna go to the fucking seven o'clock one right
after you, and I will be just as happy.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right. There's nothing in this that is going to make
me need to see it right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Away, not if I've read this story right. So unless
he's gonna, I don't know, give us a big twist,
like something different in it, I doubt highly.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It was in the woods of America all along.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, it was in a fucking uh nature preserve with restrictions,
and the monsters were actually the parents in disguise exactly
got him got him.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That'd be such an awful twist.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
The twist is.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't know why they sold it for this early
in advance it. It's probably I don't know. I was
just gonna say it's probably just because of the tie
in with Imax and that Christopher Nolan has been pushing
Imax stuff for a while now. In fact, this is
the first his first movie that's all shot in Imax,
what I call right, because he's done in other movies
(12:15):
where it's partially shot in Imax film, this was the
first one full Imax, right or No? Was that that
was Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer was first, Yeah, full Imax, so I
know he loves Imax format.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But why so early, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Apparently this isn't even the only movie, at least according
to the article, that has done something like this, And
it was only a couple of weeks before this that
some other.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
More religious based.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I can't see find it to hear, but more religious
based production company put out tickets to.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The ability to.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Buy tickets early, So you're not buying the ticket now,
you're buying the ability to buy a ticket early.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
On their website.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But this film that is supposed to be out next
year hasn't even been put into production yet.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They haven't even barely even cast the film yet that's.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
How early that they're allowing the ability to to buy
future tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, that one's really weird.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well whatever, why would you? Why would you even do that?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Though again I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
In a case like that, I can only see if
they're actually taking money, then maybe they need some money
to fit to actually make the film. Obviously Odesty doesn't
need to do that. It's still being wrapped for production
right now. But there there ain't no way that that
Christopher Nolan needs an extra money to finish this thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I mean, it is universal who fuckings.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Fair enough?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But yeah, I don't understand why you'd want this. I
mean because hey, even.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Giving anything out, it's not like that, as far as
I'm aware, it's not even like they're you know, oh hey,
to the first hundred people that you know, go to
see this movie, you get a free poster, you know,
or something.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You get a lot of Matt Damon's.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hair, You get a lock of mad Damon's hair. That
would be creepy.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Don't worry, they don't give you the root those She
can't clone.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Them, m damn. Because that's what I would need is
more people talking about them.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Apples, How about them apples will how.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
About them apples? There's a bunch of good will huntings.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Literally good Wills huntings? What else some let's see here.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
There's talk of rebooting Indiana Jones. I have no idea
what my feelings are about this. I mean, it's one
of those things where it seems inevitable that eventually Indiana Jones,
because it is such a popular ip would be rebooted.
(15:34):
But Ford is such an iconic person for the character,
at least from US older generation. Obviously, younger generations may
not have that type of tie to this.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Film to the character, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
According to this article from the Gaming Bible, Lucas Arts
is kind of letting in the ip rest right now
after Dial of Destiny apparently didn't too well. I don't
remember what the the take for it was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I enjoyed the movie, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was better than that last.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
One then King Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, I'll definitely say that they're letting the ip rest
for a bit, and the idea, especially since the game
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle came out. It was
very popular, very great game, a great game. I would
definitely say play it. If you haven't and you love
Indiana Jones, or if you just like Indiana Jones, go
ahead and play it.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It shows that that Indy can be played by another actor,
at least voice wise, because what's his name that played it,
Troy Baker?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think it was, Yeah, Troy Baker did a great voice,
act did great voice for it. Obviously, I don't think
if you did a reboot, because that's my problem is like,
if you do a reboot, are you looking for someone
to just basically look like Harrison Ford, sound like Harrison Ford,
(17:10):
or you just getting someone that has the charisma of
that character, because a couple of the people that they
put in here kind of fall within that that realm.
One of the persons that that at least the article
mentioned is Aldon and I'm gonna put you that last name,
(17:32):
Aaron Aaron Reich, the guy who played young Han solo.
You know, they kind of went with him, I imagine
because he kind of maybe looks like a young Harrison Ford.
But it's like, do we really want to go down
that route where we're like just trying to replace Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's lazy, right, I always do.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I always kind of personally liked the other person that
was thrown around, which was Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
To me that he has that he can have that.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Charisma that in Indiana Jones has and that bit of
cockiness sometimes. So personally, I would like brad the Cooper,
but I think he's getting too old at this point.
But then they threw in names like Chris Pratt and
I'm like or Pedro Pascal and it's like, I love
(18:25):
Pedro Pascal, but he doesn't fit the role for me.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
They're all getting older.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And they're all getting older.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I mean obviously like Indiana Jones, depending where you
where you start this set of movies. If you go
like they did with Harrison, he was older at the time,
but they were making it the story was him as
the professor doing the you know, adventuring. So it makes
(18:59):
more sense because if he's a ten y well I
don't know if he's technically tenured at that point, but
if he's a professor, that's some time put in, uh
and and things like that. So you you would need
an older actor, but not like you probably I would
say mid yeah, mid thirties somewhere in there, which unfortunately
(19:21):
Chris Pratt and Pedro Pascal are not.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Just say no to Chris Pratt period. He doesn't fit
the role for me. He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The personality is completely wrong. Just know to Chris Pratt.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And there's there's tons of other actors out there, these
these there's things with these ones that whenever they pop up,
it's always people picking the people they like in movies.
But like don't really have a reason. I mean, Bradley
Cooper is done the wrong. That would be an amazing get.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Bradley Cooper. I think if you had Hangover Ara.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Bradley Cooper, Yeah, that would be about the that you
should have started him, because then you would he would
be about that same age because I think he was
probably around thirty something when that movie came out. I
could be, you know, completely wrong on that, but that
seems like the age that you would want to start
at Matt and then you could create a you know,
(20:19):
every two or three years, a series, you know, for
Indiana Jones for him to do.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And like I said, he.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Has a he has a look about him that could
be adventurous and also he has the type of acting
chops in charisma about him that would and kind of
I don't know if it's cockiness, but he has that
like I can't think of the word for it, but
(20:45):
he would have been good for the role.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
In my mind he was thirty four.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Now he was thirty four, Yeah, that would have been
a perfect age for him to have started back during
the Hangover. Now he's well into his what forties, fifties,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He's getting too old, definitely too old for it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Now he can play his papa.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh my god, do you do Sean Connery?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, yeah, Bradley Cooper was born in seventy five, so
he just turned fifty year.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's wait, he's too old for starting a new series.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, especially one that's you know, I mean, you could
be him older, but it's just that's shooting your franchise
in the foot at that point if you want to
try to make this a lasting thing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Definitely. And the next question I have is like do
you retread the movies?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Do you take the original movies and remake them or
do you do your own stuff just ignoring those movies?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So this is what this is what there's.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So much in there, like because he could definitely as
as you see with Dialogue not dial Disney Great Circle
like that still takes place from what I understand within
the Indiana Jones world, it's just another adventure that he's
been on. Ye, so do you or do or do
you do that? And you just like all of this
stuff has has happened. You've found the Grail, you found
(22:22):
the arc, but you're also doing all of this other
stuff in the meantime. But it's just a different actor.
Do we kind of James Bond him where it's this
like I guess, I don't know at this point where
what James Bond is like, is it just a moniker
passed down to generation's generation of different people or is
(22:44):
it supposed to be all the same person?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So that's the problem within reason with James Bond, James
Bond comparison. So James Bond, we don't know because the
first handful of James Bonds we had they were not
tied to each other at all, so they didn't really
(23:09):
reference an adult. But with the newer Ones, they were
consecutive movie because they were telling one big story with
Indiana Jones. The other than the fact that it's Indiana Jones,
they don't really reference each other in the fact that,
(23:30):
like as we know now Uh, they weren't even told
to us in chronological.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Order, no, which is hilarious to me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So like when you watch when you was with the
Empire strikes back when you watch the Temple of Doom
for example, Right, technically that happens first yep. So in
all stretches of imagination, he's younger yep. But then when
(24:00):
you you look so when you think about the other
aspect of it, right, So Last Crusade obviously terrible name
because it's a double It was supposed to be a double. Yeah,
it was the Last Crusade because it was like talking
about the cup. Yeah, like I get that. But also
it was supposed to be like a send off for
the character like in the in the in the franchise.
(24:21):
And then obviously years later they're like, hey, I know
it's not really considered a cash grab, but what if
we revitalize this series. And I'm like, you could do
that or or don't because it seems like a bad idea,
which it was.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Anyway, it's like at.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That point they should have rebooted the series and rather
than bring it back forward.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And and if you do like the like the tie
in one, I like so like with the great circle. Right,
it works well as a game. The idea of it
works as good as a game because you can make
the character look like Ford. You can get a very
talented voice actor to do of Harrison Ford. Well, sorry,
(25:07):
do an Indiana Jones voice. I don't want to say
Harrison Ford because it's slightly different than what you would like.
He doesn't sound like Hansolo. He does if he doesn't,
you know what I mean. He's doing that impression of
Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones, which is what's needed because they
set the game within the Harrison Ford storylines. Like obviously
(25:30):
when you first start the game, you actually play through
the sequences of Raiders. I was like it was Raiders, right.
I was like yeah, because it was the whole rolling
ball scene. So that leads into basically saying, hey, this
is that Indiana Jones. But we jump to a thing
(25:51):
and then you see in his office at one point
or the storeroom thing you see like the the top
or the idol for the Sun's staff, and you get
those references. Right, Sony think you see a picture of
the the shrine from temple with the with the the
(26:13):
idols in it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's been a while, so I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I think anyways, because obviously he's not gonna take one
of the idols, because that was the whole premise of
him going there is there, goes back. Would you imagine, well,
they're here now.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It belongs in the museum.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, uh so like that was it made sense for
it to be in the in that universe because they're
you and and they're utilizing obviously uh characters, well actually
really only one character out after after the Raiders reference,
(26:54):
but like the the dude from the college who's not tech,
is he the dean?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Uh? Yeah, he was at not I don't think at
the big because.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're talking about Marcus Brody. I don't think in Raiders
he was dean. He was some other administrative person. But
I think by the time we get to Last Crusade
he was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's mentioned maybe in uh.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Uh the Alien one Crystal Skull, because I remember that
being there being like a I think a statue of
him where I think it mentioned that he was dean
of the college.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, it's funny to though all this what so Indian
Jones raised the Lost arc right India Jones, The Temple
of Doom. India Jones, The Last Crusade. Yeah, those three
movie titles don't actually reference a specific thing, they're just titles. Yeah,
(28:06):
Crystal Skull references, the mcguffin dial of Destiny.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
References the mcguffin.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh wow, that's just lazy. Maybe that's why they're so shit. Sorry,
Desney wasn't terrible. The whole time travel thing was pretty
fucking rough though, because it's like, why, like this is
the same problem with showing aliens is like it's not
spectacular anymore. It's just fucking on the nose.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I think the problem with those movies as well is
they got away from the the religious but more of
like miraculous type of thing because for the most part
you're introduced to Indiana Jones in.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
A world that is ours.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, you know, World War two had it is happening
or about to happen. I can't remember exactly what year,
but obviously the Nazis are are out looking for occult
objects and Indie doesn't believe in that type of stuff
because it's it's our world. That stuff is just legend
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and it doesn't there is no magical ability about it.
So those first three movies where you're searching for and
I mean guess the second movie isn't more of a
Christian ideological thing, but I'm sure it's maybe a different
the religious type thing. But those are the and that's
(29:32):
why I mean, at least to me, it does suffer
a little bit. But well, I shouldn't say that struck
that from the record.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That seems.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Either way the stories, the stories basically floated around something
that was ideological and mystical, but in a world where
it seems like that those shouldn't have existed, but they
still had some magical power actually to be found with them,
whereas the other movies stepped away from that. They weren't
(30:06):
tied to any type of religious iconography or anything like that.
They were tied to other conspiratorial type things aliens and
UFOs and whatnot. It's a very nineteen fifties type of thing,
which is when Kreemdom of the Crystal Stul happens.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But there is no magic behind it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, it's just aliens.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's just aliens. And the same thing with the Dial
of Destiny.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
There is definitely some sort of magic behind it, but
there's no magic behind that. It is somehow some ancient
philosopher or engineer Archimedes was it. Archimedes develops a mcguffin
device that has magical powers behind it, but there's no
(30:58):
magic behind that magic type of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's it's at that point it's more science because it's
not the device, isn't the the isn't the key to
time travel? Right, it's the key to finding the temporal
rift that allows the time travel happen.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And and you lose to me, you lose that magic
behind things where that you're you have a bigger you
have a bigger thought of, like you know, what possibly
does exist and what possibly doesn't exist behind it?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know, there is no I'm losing track.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Of, like like the words exactly I'm looking for, but
they're you know, you have the ultimate thought of, like okay,
does God exist?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Does religion exist? Type of thing.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Even though this has all happened to Indy, he still
doesn't quite believe type of thing. And those are the
first three movies it has that that that question of
stuff and that kind of hopefulness behind it, where the
the last two are just straight science fiction thing with
no miracle, no no hopefulness or anything behind it. There's
no extra message there, There's just a science Macgothin thing
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that happens, and then that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And that's where that's I think again when we step
back into uh the Great Circle, because we step back
into that more more religious we're looking forward uh Noah's
arc and you have the the giants, and you have
the Vaticans involved, and you have all that type of stuff,
and you're you're dipping back into that religious iconography of
(32:38):
of like, well, what what do we know about the
world really? You know, does our you know, is there
certain aspects of religion that are are real or not
real type of thing, you know. And that's one reason
why I do think that the game works very well.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, because you're not you're.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Not stepping into science.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Sure it can be done correctly, but it just wasn't
done well in those movies.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Plus the idea of Archimedes creating a you know, there's
a different and they're there of itself. You have the
mcguffin thing that's imbued with a power beyond beyond our
understanding type thing, with the Ark of the Covenant, with
the the Holy Grail, with the Shankara stones, with the
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pieces of of I'm trying to remember what you collected, Uh,
what you collected great circle, you collected tablet pieces.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Be able to to to be able to find where
the arc of the or not arc the cover where.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
The one you got.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
This, wherever the big boat is? And there was more
to it than that.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I'm just not gonna not gonna spoil it if you
haven't finished the game. It's it's definitely a great game
to build or to be. But again then you get
into the other stuff and it's like, there's no like
I said earlier, there's no power behind the power.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's just like science.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, Archimedes just invented a thing that could find
the thing. Yeah, you know what viewed that thing with
power is not a question, is not something that you
have to like maybe think about. It's just a thing
that was invented to find a thing. And then the
same thing with the Kingdom and the crystal skull, like
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that was the skull was just an alien that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There was nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The only question beyond that is where they come from?
Well the space between spaces?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Thanks, yeah, And it's like but also like but there.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Was nothing behind it. There was no.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know, if somebody got a hold of this became
immortal if a word or it could put it behind
it in front of armies and lay waste to other armies.
And we're not protecting the world from from this thing,
which Indy would be doing. We're just oh, it's a
thing that we found.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, and he's not going after to save a relic
or to well by accident saving relics if you're talking
about Temple of Doom, because he was never supposed to
be there.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But again that but even that concept right there, not
to interrupt you, is one of those ideas of like
he wasn't supposed to be here, but was he? Like
even the people themselves say that he was pulled from
the sky to help them. Yeah, you know, it imbues
it with that type of like he's the right person
(35:39):
in the right place at the right time type of thing.
And that even has that type of like questioning whether
or not there's some other greater influence there that might
be helping him along.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, unlike the other ones. It's very interesting, right thought process.
But to the original what we're talking about is I
feel a reboot, an actual real reboot, would be more,
would be better. But the issue is when do you
(36:15):
when do you put Indy what time? Friend? You still
said it in that Nazi era, And that's.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
My question as well, because again we saw it with
with when we went to the nineteen fifties, like the
big thing of that time was aliens and UFOs. Indy
only works well for the most part if if it
isn't a time And I'm saying this slowly because I'm
(36:46):
trying to think it out where there is no technology,
where the technology is just basically a compass and a map, you.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Know, yeah, because it's it's what the the whole premise
of Indiana Jones, right of not of Indian Jones, sorry,
of who Indiana Jones is. Is this beyond being just
an archaeologist, right, Like he is an archaeologist, right, but
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he has this mind for like the puzzling things like
the like you were saying earlier, the things that he
wants to disprove, the really like the magic behind it. Right,
He's like, because I don't believe in the arc of
the Covenant. Now when we first start Raiders, Uh well no, sorry,
(37:39):
let's not say that, because he's getting the idol out
of the out of that the trap, right, that's not
I'm talking about the actual like arc of the Covenant mission. Right,
it starts off is they're just going after this religious artifact, right,
and he wants to stop them because he believes it
needs No, he doesn't believe that it is the powerful
(38:02):
weapon that the Nazis believe it is and that it
ultimately actually is well, which is not really an weapon.
It's more of just like it's a power we shouldn't
be able to, we shouldn't wield because we can't wield
it anyways. But he doesn't believe that he's going there
to save this religious artifact that a nobody knows where
(38:22):
it's at technically, and he's obviously done some research on it,
but they failed at one point because of you know,
circumstances him being a ladies man in a drunk. But
he then says, oh this new evidence, right, like, Okay,
(38:42):
maybe I can find it before them, because even if
it's not this because I don't believe it's this weapon, right,
I'm talking as Indie, but I don't want them to
destroy this artifact because I don't believe it's you know,
the religious power that it is, but I believe that
it has a purpose in our history, like the world's history.
(39:07):
So I want to save it from being possibly being destroyed,
not because I believe the Nazis could use it to
you know, take over the world. I want to save
that because that's what he does. He saves these relics
for the educational purpose and not the you know, religious
aspect of him. Same thing. Well, and then in Temple,
(39:31):
he's actually not going after the stones. He stumbles upon that,
like you're saying, but he was trying to go out
Like again beginning of that movie, he's technically trying to
get something else, and then stumbles into this adventure, but
he falls into things like, oh, I've heard of these
before because I'm a well knowledged dude. Right, And then
(39:55):
you go to Last Crusade again. You start off he's
on a different adventure, right, doing something else, then stumbles
on to the adventure that we're gonna go on, which
is these the Nazis going after the well, the remnants
of the Nazis at that point, right, because that's after.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
World War Two, it gets towards the tail end.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, So it's still going on, kay, So it's.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Still during World War two, it's just towards the tail end.
I think it's like nineteen forty.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Three or something like that.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But then he's like, oh, they're going after this religious
artifact again, because that's what Nazis do and they deserve
you punch in the face. I don't believe it's the
Fountain of Youth, right, but I want to stop them
from destroying artifacts in these potential religious or well again
(40:50):
they're religious icon places and things, you know, like they
he doesn't want them to destroy the history of things
trying to get grasp for power. So that is the
essence of Indiana Jones, right, like he is the crusader
in lack of a better word, of history, but not
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religion because he again and he said this in the movies,
like I don't he's seen shit, like he even like
if you go back and you go into like the
Young Indiana Jones series, he even stumbled upon some things
that were less were outside of the normal realm of idea.
(41:36):
They they they border online of like miracles are magic,
but they're not like and I can't remember all of them,
but like, you know, like they they fell in like
very similar in line with the first three movies where
he was a student at the time and he was
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on these adventures, but he was they to preserve because
of his dad, the history behind them. He wasn't a
treasure seeker. He wasn't this like Zelots type person, you
know what I mean, Like he wasn't going there for
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this thing that was like, Oh, I believe in the
power of it. No, I believe in the history of it.
I believe in humanity's history that revolves around it. I
don't believe it, but I believe people believe it, and
that is history. We need to preserve it. So that
was the whole thing. So if you reboot it, that's
(42:41):
where you need to go. And to your point, I
think it needs to stay in that timeframe. I think
we need to jump not all the way back to
young Indiana Jones time, but I'm talking like early twenties,
like maybe he's just finished college.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Interesting you know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Type thing where he's not a professor yet, but he's
he's kind of Peter Parking it where he's like he
wants to be that academic only because he doesn't have
any other real life skills other than tracking down stuff
solving puzzles. But he's like he's a giant history nerd, right,
(43:25):
and like the best way possible. So like the the
like the only thing he can do is teach that
down the line, because that does give them the ability
to then say, hey, I'm gonna go find this thing
because of that that that aspect of it. And obviously
(43:46):
in the first I'll say movie or so, uh, he
wouldn't even be a teacher. He may even be like
a teacher's aid, Like he may be just working at
the college for the the the archaeology department and his
literally he's sourcing these things, like that's what he's going
to do, you know what I mean, Like he's not.
(44:09):
And it's a lot of it is like kind of
like maybe on the side, like he sees these things,
he hears talks about stuff, and he goes, go, my
little book here, I had a theory about this, Let's
go investigate my theory, and that leads him into the
big adventure. But I think it needs to your point,
I think it needs to be in that time capsule
(44:30):
of an era because when you jump forward, sort of
like the Robert Langdon stories, technology kind of gets in
the way of the mystery. But also it dissolves that mystery,
that that ability to have instant knowledge of things at
(44:52):
your fingertips is taking away much like one of the
reasons I guess I don't I don't want to say
a dis like the National Treasure movies, but I don't
like the National Treasure movies. But they were attempting to
do kind of what Indiana Jones would be doing in
like a modern age, right, They're trying to save the
(45:13):
fucking Constitution. I don't remember decoration everything, whatever it is.
I don't like those.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Movies movies, so I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
But and it's like the the idea. Actually, I guess
the closer allegory would actually be or comparison to be
tone Raider, right, yes, because she kind of falls in
that same thing, Like she sheses technology like GPS, right,
but she's going towards unmapped things, like things that like
(45:47):
humans haven't really been to in decades, you know, eons,
the same way India is doing obviously, but he's more
of like he's less of a treasure hunter. Uh sorry
Lower Croft fans, but she is.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah. I mean there's a reason why she's called the
tomb Raider.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, reading tombs, You're you're not like trying to preserve things.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, because like with Indy. He is trying to get
artifacts back from people, and he's obviously trying to stop
people from getting artifacts because he's trying to preserve that history.
So like adding in technology in a modern era, you
don't really actually you'd get found of Youth if you
(46:32):
don't watched it. That's exactly what what they do is
they use technology.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
The new one with.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Jim from the Office, Jim from the.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Office, I was actually gonna go with the different Jack Ryant,
but yeah, I know that I have yet to watch that,
even though that's like right up my alley type of
thing I have. I have yet to watch it, but
I've heard that it's not great.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
It's it's not it's one of the worst Guy Ritchie movies.
It's definitely a Guy Richie movie. But it's the problem
with it is it's.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Just not.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's not well, it's not well written. I think that's
the biggest problem. Yeah, and I think if you do
watch it and maybe you'll have a different thought process.
It feels to me it was rushed like they were
trying to do something in it that they just couldn't
either get or edited it out. Because it was one
(47:26):
of those things where like, actually, to bring it back
to Crystal Skull, Remember how Crystal Skull everything's kind of
fell into place, Like it was like, oh, we just
happened to be here at the right time every fucking time.
But like the other Indiana Jones movies, he is ahead
(47:46):
of the game because he knows things, and he's sometimes
playing catchup on both the first and the last one.
I'm talking release order, not chronologically, because he's like, oh,
I know about this, this and this. They think this,
I'm gonna go and cut him off kind of you
(48:07):
cut him off at the pass type of thing. Right
in this you're like they're kind of like jumping that
same type thing where there's like, oh, just this and
then like one thing has to happen and it all
falls into place and it happens like two or three times,
(48:28):
and it's like, oh, well, that's not fun. Kind of
actually kind of like National Treasure too, where it's like
it just happens to be that this is And that's
obviously a lot more conspiracy thing in those movies, because
like you know, there's like government cover ups and stuff
like that. But yeah, it was just it seemed rushed.
(48:49):
It seemed like they had this idea and then they
went away from it. But also they pulled a crystal
skull and they actually show the Fountain of Youth spoilert
it's called Fountain of Youth for a reason. But then
they show it, and that's like, the only real decent
thing is the not that they show it, the what
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happens there is. That's the turning point of the character.
And I get the I get the idea that they
wanted to make this more of these movies and make
him and turn him because he's kind of like a
lower Croft character in a way. He's like he's benefiting
(49:35):
off of it. But they're building in this story that
he's trying to build. He's trying to make reparations for
something he did in the past, because they keep referencing
things that like happen, but then they kind of skew
it like it's a flashback, and then like the next
time they show the flashback it's slightly different. And then
(49:57):
when you get to the Fountain of Youth in the
he has while interacting with the fountain because it's not
in this movie. It's not you drink it and you're younger,
you bathe in it. You have to absorb it in
your body and then but it doesn't matter. It's dumb.
That's not the point. The point is the character that
Jim from the Office plays, or Jack Ryan. He has
(50:20):
a turning point in his character at that moment where
he has to make a decision that could ultimately give
him what he wants per se, but he realizes that
the ultimate sacrifice he's gonna have to make is not
worth it. And it kind of makes you think he
did something like that in the past, where like this
(50:42):
is gonna give him the ultimate power for what he's
looking for, right, But the sacrifice he has to make
is that much worse than what he did before. But
they never tell you what it is. They allude to
certain things. But the big twist movie, well, I guess
there's two really character twists. Uh. And then the the
(51:05):
part at the end where the fountain is like the Genie,
like the wish from the Genie. You have to be
very specific what you asked for, okay, because there's there's
it's it's gonna be a balance, right like in the
true story of the Genie the Lamp. It's not just oh,
I want to be filthy rich, right right?
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Well, how where do those riches come from?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
This is yead like I can even envision, like I,
you know, I want to be able to live forever, okay,
but you still.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Age, yeah you know, yeah yeah, So like that's the
thing is, like you know, and then like ultimately, the
fountain is trying to find someone worthy of the power.
So I think that's kind of like the whole thing
is like he passes on it, but then the bad
guy doesn't, and then the bad guy pays the ultimate price,
(51:52):
which is his life, because you realize, like the fountain
much like the the the Holy Grail situation, right, it's
that thing was like your your hubrisk gets ahead of
you because like you think the grail should be this
spectacular gold cup with all these jewels anointed on it, right,
(52:14):
So then you drink the water. The water is not magic.
The goblet's magic, right, and but and he knows it's
not the shiny one with all the jewels on it
because it's not the Yeah, so then he's like, oh,
it's this one. It's this basic one that was handmade
and probably you know, was used for multiple things as
(52:37):
well as drinking water.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
M h.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
So that kind of that that idea, right is the
fountain is like a double edged sword, but also like
if you truly want the power, the power and the
but it's gonna know like that you're that, you know
you want that, you don't want it for good reasons.
So that was kind of cool, but like showing the
fountains like fucking ridiculous. Plus it was like the weirdest
(53:04):
of places. It's inside of a pyramid, but like in
a reverse pyramid. It's so dumb anyways.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Anyway, so yeah, I agree, like to wrap that up
like it, I think you just run into too many
especially if you like uber modernize it, like I can
see if you put something sometime around National Treasure era.
You do have a lot of technologies cell phone, satellite
stuff like that. If you upgrade things too way too
modern for an Indiana Jones movie. You have light are
(53:36):
you have all this other technology that you can use.
And I get that you can you can properly put
that into a story in order to help you along
the way, But I think it loses some of the
mystique in magic when you can strip things away with technology.
And that's what Indiana Jones in the nineteen forties is
(53:56):
as you've mentioned earlier. A lot of what he knows
is because he studied it. He's studied maps, he studied
old texts, you know, and stuff like that. He can
speak multiple languages, where if you bring it into the
more modern thing, yeah, you can still do all that stuff,
but it feels like technology just yeah, like AI whatever
(54:16):
just kind of strips a lot of that can strip
a lot of that stuff away, and it loses again,
it loses the magic behind it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Which is what happens round by the way, technology kind
of kills it.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, anyway, so I don't think we need to beat
that dead horse anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
The only other thing that I would want to mention
this week is I totally forgot that there's a Legend
of Zelda movie coming out, and apparently they cast the
two main characters, Zelda and Link. I'm trying to remember
the names of these people because I've never heard him before.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Benjamin Evan has been cast. Evan Bevin, Jamin.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Evan's Ainsworth, I think that's the dude name has been
cast as Link. He's sixteen years old. I think it
says in the Starbok from.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
New York, as he should be and.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The person playing Zelda is.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Bo Braxton a twenty one year old, so it sounds
like they're going for a young a much younger link,
Like I know, I know a lot of the Links
and Zelda's are fairly young in all of.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
The video games.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, but it still sounds like we're really going for
like a young, you know, coming of age that the
New Yorker I believe it says like a coming of
age story here. And then there's speculation in here of
like which is which Zelda it would be? There they're
speculating wind Waker, which would be an interesting take to
(55:57):
me because I remember wind Waker being a more of
a controversial legend of Zelda, Like it wasn't a lot
of people's favorite. I don't know if it's because it
was like the first Cell shaded one that people.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Didn't like it, Yeah, and a lot of it was
it was because it was less of the classic boots
on the ground I guess.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Zelda games like okerant a Time would actually be the
better story.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Well, so that's the other one that they listed here
as the possible. But since they haven't liked akeran Time
first off, Okray and Time would be great not to
cut you off, but just real quick, it'd be great.
But the problem is is that that is a story
to tell over multiple movies, because you have young link
for a good portion of the beginning and then you
(56:49):
have an older link for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
And since they've.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
Only really cast the younger side of things so far,
that's why they're like it would lead, it would lead
to towards this lean in this direction as well, but
you would also have to cast the older generation as
well to really link it up.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And again like link it up.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
It's a it's a much bigger story to tell rather
than just a concise Windwaker or any other you could
I mean, obviously you could just make up your own
like they did with the Mario movie, and Mario movie
didn't follow the events of Mario Brothers, which it was
just a Mario movie within that world. Yeah, so you
(57:32):
could definitely still do that to make up your own
Zelda movie.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
It's it's basically it's all about the three things, right,
the tri force you have you've linked your Zelda, and
you have gannon door for Gan and how ever you
want to call him right, and then those are your
your three pieces right, wisdom, power, and Uh. Fuck was
the other one?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Wisdom? Power? Was it courage?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It might be a camera all of them anyways, So
you have those three pillars, right, So that's what you need.
That's your story. But if you want to go like
based on anything, you could do a the o G
Legend of Zelda game where it's basically just you set
the venture of he has to go to make basically
(58:21):
three dungeons to find the piece of the try force too,
I don't know, break the hold that Gannadorf has on
the princess and holding her in place or whatever. Then
you have oh my god, I'm spacing on it. What's
the the six nineteen sixty four on a super Ninhindo one.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Legend of Zelda two?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
No, no, no, no, that was that's a that's a
good one too. No, hold on, what's the one where
he uh, it's the it's the one he flips through
two other dimension and like he turns into a bunny,
but then he has to get the piece that allows
him not to do it. It's the one that was like classic.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Twilight Princess, that was where he turns into a wolf.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
But that's going into the Twilight realm.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
It turns into a bunny.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Spacing the name of this god name.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Because yeah, the legend of Zelda, the legend Zelda two.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Uh you have I believe links Awakening, but I believe
that was a game Boy Link to the Past, Link
to the Past, Okay, because Link to the Past was
also released with was that the Fourth Seasons one?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Was that one of the duel ones that they did.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
No, that was later on?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
It was later on? Okay, yeah, four Seasons and something else.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, Links Awakening was the game Boy one also a
really good game. Ocer Nay of Time obviously one of
the most classic Zelda games of all time. Four Swords
was so basically, uh, Ocernay of Time led to Majora's
mas Yes, and then Oracle of the Seasons and Oracle
(01:00:05):
of the Ages. I was trying to think, Yeah, those
ones were dual games that were on the game Boy
Color technically, but game Boy. Then you have Four Swords,
which also fell in that same one, and then you
had the Minish Cap. But then obviously win Waker was
in there, and win Waker was a departure from the
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boots on the ground type gameplay that the other ones
were and gave you more of like a dungeon crawler
type thing where you basically find an island, doing an
adventure on the island, and you're trying to ultimately find
your way to the end game of Zeld of saving Zelda.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
That another interesting thing for that one, because I remember
that game, like you said, like you found a thing
on an island, and then you had to take it
back to a place, go down through another dungeon, and
each dungeon floor linked to the dungeon that you went to.
So each time you found something in the dungeon, if
I call right, you had to take it back to
(01:01:06):
the one main dungeon to go through all those floors
in order to then place that thing there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, yeah, because that's and as the ultimately you're trying
to do is you're trying to rebuild whatever that is
that allows you to access where Gannon it wasn't called
Gannon in that one. What was he called in wind Waker?
Was he Ganed?
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I don't think he was called.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Was he called Gannon someone them? I thinking of a
different when he was not called Gannon technically, No, I want.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
To say that he probably wasn't called Gannon in this one.
Let's see who I can find. There's going to be
a Wikipedia article somewhere weaker that's not space.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Talk about movies or talk about games that don't really
have a a continuing story other than the fact that
they're this agely hero is reborn to fight. His name.
His name is Gannon. This one, which game I think
is not called Gannon. I know he's called Gannendorf and
some of them.
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I could have swore that you were right, that this
was something where he had a different name, title, something
or other, because I know that because Tetra is you
find out is Zelda.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's her first name right now.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I think it was just a different name. But she
comes from the because if I call it right, the
story of this one is like years after high Rule happened,
a flood happened, and so she's like a great descendant
of Zelda.
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, they always are. He and Link is the like
the destined hero from descended down from the line of
heroes or some shit, and they're just like always destined
to be opposite each other, but like, you know, need
to be together.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Just to call some in this one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
There was one where he didn't he had a different name.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Was it one of the earlier ones where he was
like more of the.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Pig guy, and maybe because I remember something about the
very early ones, maybe Zelbit two.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Start Wars, so it doesn't matter, I.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Don't think, but yeah, I mean, ultimately, ultimately, the point
is I forgot about this this thing coming out, and
then apparently, you know, it got cast and it's scheduled
for release in twenty twenty seven, so obviously still haven't
haven't really shot anything yet and there's still just announcing
cast members for it. But it was just kind of
(01:03:50):
one of those weird things of like, oh shit, I
forgot this is even happening. And it's live action too.
It's not a CG fest like Mario was.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
So I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, because something Pictures will co finance. It should be
the Worldwide west Ball Interesting west Ball is attached to direct.
Is he still attached to direct? Because that's kind of cool.
He did King of the Planet of the Apes, he
did the Maze Runner movies. He did something else to
(01:04:31):
what was the other big one he did that was
real fun, but at.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Least he somewhat has like action adventure type of pedigree.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I don't know, but I guess those are all
of them. Oh he did, because he did two of
the planet he did. Uh oh yeah, there's just those
the Maze Runner movies, and then King of the Planet
of the Apes.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
And then something called ruin Or, which is after legend Zelda.
Apparently interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I'm still called again in In uh Zelda too?
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
All right, well whatever, yeah, AnyWho, Uh that'll be it
for this week's episode. If comes naturally, we have been Joe,
I've been Cody, and as usual, you fuckers just came naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Bye.
There's multiple people on the call, the volume like the
volume actually goes up, so you have like I have
to turn it down on the board.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh weird. I thought it was opposite. I went up.
Every time that you're trying to connect to TAJ.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You would think, m h.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
But nope, but nope, he says.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
But nope, m.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
But nope.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Mm hmmm but nope. Yeah, yeah, indeed, mm hmmmm mmmmmm.
(01:04):
So what's up, buddy?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Nothing much, all right, you know, not a whole lot
this week from my personal wise, it just h it's
very weirdly slow week.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
It felt like I did feel that way.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, I just hoping the weekend would come and then
be done with it. But beyond that, nothing really uh,
nothing really interesting happened this week?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, not much of all, actually, mm hmm. This week
seemed like it was, like you said, dragging on, but
also seemed like it just went by really fast in
a weird way.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Good for you, because I remember every single day just
being like, oh my god, what day is it.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It's like, it's only Tuesday. It's only Tuesday. Only Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Look to me, it seemed like the weekend like nine
days in it. But also like I don't remember a
whole lot going on.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yeah, and then what I love, it's already it's the weekend,
and it's like, sweet, it's the fucking weekend. It's sorry,
it's already Sunday. It's like, man, what did I do Saturday?
I helped my brother build a upgradest computer.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's what I did. So I basically worked.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Better paid as a what what would you build a
new one? Or rebuilding?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So he's been trying to to play some games. He's
been doing a lot of like Linux gaming, and so
he's been He got Hellan Wake too up and running
on his older computer, which he had a I five
three no five five fifth gen something or other Intel processor.
(02:54):
He's got a sixteen sixty TI graphics card. But when
he tried to play Alan Wake, it like could do it,
but just not great, and that like the minimum requirements
on that thing was like a seventh gen Intel processor.
So he's been thinking about upgrading those his processor motherboard
RAM for a little while now, and so that's what
(03:17):
we went through.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Surprisingly, best Buy had all the components.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You wanted to do it yesterday, because if you didn't
do it, then it wouldn't get done type of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So got him.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
A rise in seven fifty eight decks with a Amici
motherboard and some course air ram and then upgraded is
cooler as well, got it all in there, it runs better, like, yeah,
it does run better now, but you can definitely tell that.
(03:51):
The next thing he's going to have to upgrade is
his graphics card maybe in a year or so.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
But it's pretty nice, I mean nice things. You probably
can just pop a new one in there and not
have to really worry about anything else, right.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, the graphics card.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, with the with the setup that he has right now,
just take it out, put a new one in. And
even then, he's never been one for like needing the
most graphics, you know, like the best of the best
at any given time.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's why going with.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The A the older A four platform like am D
still somewhat supported that within the last year, we're gonna
came up with new chips for it or new processors
for it. Who knows if they might surprise release something
this year or next or whatever. But as far as
graphics card widse, yeah, like he'd probably be happy with
(04:45):
like a like a six thousand series am D card
or maybe a thirty series graphics card by next year,
maybe even forty series, but depending on how much things
are next year. So, like I said, it runs, and
Alan Wake too, like even struggled on my system. And
(05:08):
I have a not top of the line but just
like one step down from a top of the line
that I built two years ago, so that that thing
struggled on there too. So the way it runs, it's
like it's perfectly playable. I don't know what the fps
looks like, but it's it actually is. But it looks
like probably somewhere around forty fps, which first on people
wouldn't be one hundred percent playable, but when you're used
(05:30):
to playing on a Steam deck, which is what he does,
it's like it still looks really good and it's still playable.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well that's the most important part though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right, And like I said, Alan Wake is too, is
it is more of an intense game other games, uh,
not as intense as that should play perfectly fine on there.
But at least he's ready for more upgrades.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
In the future, a little bit of future proofing, A.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Little bit of future proofing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, and it's running Linux too, which is pretty fun
for him. He's got a destro called Menjaro that he's running,
and then it's just got Steam installed and that's where
he's getting these games from. And for the most part
is the part is it seems like as long as
it runs on a Steam deck, which is based off
the Linux kernel, then it should have no problem playing.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Playing on his system.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's good. That's good. I was trying to pull up
if there was anything did I send anything this week
other than trailers?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You sent them trailers.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
There were some news this week that I had saved.
Might as well get one of the big ones out
of the way, which is Christopher Nolan's Odyssey went on
sale this past week. The article from the Inverse that
(07:08):
I have here says that there's thirty apparently in the
tire and I didn't know this. That's why I'm starting
with this. I didn't know there's only thirty, like seventy
millimeters imax theaters in the world, according to this Inverse article.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, there's not many, because it's not many at all.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
It's a big format like I've seen the giant fucking
six foot reels or whatever it is that they use
for this size of a projector so I guess that
makes sense. According to this article, though only twenty five
theaters will be have already released tickets, so of the thirty,
(07:53):
only twenty five. As of this writing of the article,
all theaters have been sold out except for one, which
was in Regina, Saskatchewan.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I imagine by now that one's sold out as well.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Saskatchewan.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
People have already put up tickets on.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
eBay trying to resell them. Let's see as of today,
three hundred dollars is starting bid. But buy it now
for seven hundred, three hundred dollars one hundred ninety nine,
three ninety nine five point forty nine. Yeah, there's not
(08:40):
a there's only like ten or fifteen on here, at
least according at least from the top results here. But
that's ridiculous that people have bought Imax theater tickets and
are trying to resell them.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And the thing is this, Okay, these are all like
early showings, right, the ones that are like like, we
have one here in Arizona technically, and it's the one
at Arizona Mills has the ability to do the seventy
millimeter and according to it, it is sold out. But
(09:22):
the thing is that's just the first showing. There's only
one listed, So if you're going out to buy these
tickets on fucking eBay or wherever from somebody, you just
wait until it gets the released next year and there'll
be more showing. They're not showing it once and then
that's it.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
That would be oh my god, that would be the
first off. That would just.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Kill box obviously, that would kill box office returns for
this thing and kill any That'd be such a weird
way of doing things. But but yeah, I know you're right,
like there's going to be other imax, Like this is
just the first showing of the day, and then once
we get closer they're going to release other showings throughout
the day that you could buy.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So it's just ridiculous that people.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I don't even know if anything's like, let me go
back to that, because I don't think anybody there's like
zero bids on any of these things. Zero bids. This
one says we're best offer, but it doesn't show any bids.
These are just buy it now. There's three people watching
one for two hundred dollars, so dumb dude, four people
(10:29):
watching another one for two hundred dollars. Yeah, Like it's
so freaking dumb that they're doing this. But there are
gonna be other showings and you're gonna be able to
watch it in your standard theater as well. We could
go get tickets for the uh one if we wanted
(10:50):
to once it gets closer.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, Like, it's just I don't know. It's so weird
to me because I don't understand why they're doing this
first off, but also like, why are people jumping on like, Oh,
I'm gonna be one of the first ones to see it. Awesome. Cool,
I'm gonna go to the fucking seven o'clock one right
after you, and I will be just as happy.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right. There's nothing in this that is going to make
me need to see it right.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Away, not if I've read this story right. So unless
he's gonna, I don't know, give us a big twist,
like something different in it, I doubt highly.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
It was in the woods of America all along.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, it was in a fucking uh nature preserve with restrictions,
and the monsters were actually the parents in disguise exactly
got him got him.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That'd be such an awful twist.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
The twist is.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I don't know why they sold it for this early
in advance it. It's probably I don't know. I was
just gonna say it's probably just because of the tie
in with Imax and that Christopher Nolan has been pushing
Imax stuff for a while now. In fact, this is
the first his first movie that's all shot in Imax,
what I call right, because he's done in other movies
(12:15):
where it's partially shot in Imax film, this was the
first one full Imax, right or No? Was that that
was Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer was first, Yeah, full Imax, so I
know he loves Imax format.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
But why so early, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Apparently this isn't even the only movie, at least according
to the article, that has done something like this, And
it was only a couple of weeks before this that
some other.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
More religious based.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I can't see find it to hear, but more religious
based production company put out tickets to.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The ability to.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Buy tickets early, So you're not buying the ticket now,
you're buying the ability to buy a ticket early.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
On their website.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
But this film that is supposed to be out next
year hasn't even been put into production yet.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
They haven't even barely even cast the film yet that's.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
How early that they're allowing the ability to to buy
future tickets.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, that one's really weird.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well whatever, why would you? Why would you even do that?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Though again I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
In a case like that, I can only see if
they're actually taking money, then maybe they need some money
to fit to actually make the film. Obviously Odesty doesn't
need to do that. It's still being wrapped for production
right now. But there there ain't no way that that
Christopher Nolan needs an extra money to finish this thing.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
I mean, it is universal who fuckings.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Fair enough?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But yeah, I don't understand why you'd want this. I
mean because hey, even.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Giving anything out, it's not like that, as far as
I'm aware, it's not even like they're you know, oh hey,
to the first hundred people that you know, go to
see this movie, you get a free poster, you know,
or something.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
You get a lot of Matt Damon's.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Hair, You get a lock of mad Damon's hair. That
would be creepy.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Don't worry, they don't give you the root those She
can't clone.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Them, m damn. Because that's what I would need is
more people talking about them.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Apples, How about them apples will how.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
About them apples? There's a bunch of good will huntings.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Literally good Wills huntings? What else some let's see here.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
There's talk of rebooting Indiana Jones. I have no idea
what my feelings are about this. I mean, it's one
of those things where it seems inevitable that eventually Indiana Jones,
because it is such a popular ip would be rebooted.
(15:34):
But Ford is such an iconic person for the character,
at least from US older generation. Obviously, younger generations may
not have that type of tie to this.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Film to the character, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
According to this article from the Gaming Bible, Lucas Arts
is kind of letting in the ip rest right now
after Dial of Destiny apparently didn't too well. I don't
remember what the the take for it was.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I enjoyed the movie, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was better than that last.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
One then King Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, I'll definitely say that they're letting the ip rest
for a bit, and the idea, especially since the game
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle came out. It was
very popular, very great game, a great game. I would
definitely say play it. If you haven't and you love
Indiana Jones, or if you just like Indiana Jones, go
ahead and play it.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
It shows that that Indy can be played by another actor,
at least voice wise, because what's his name that played it,
Troy Baker?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I think it was, Yeah, Troy Baker did a great voice,
act did great voice for it. Obviously, I don't think
if you did a reboot, because that's my problem is like,
if you do a reboot, are you looking for someone
to just basically look like Harrison Ford, sound like Harrison Ford,
(17:10):
or you just getting someone that has the charisma of
that character, because a couple of the people that they
put in here kind of fall within that that realm.
One of the persons that that at least the article
mentioned is Aldon and I'm gonna put you that last name,
(17:32):
Aaron Aaron Reich, the guy who played young Han solo.
You know, they kind of went with him, I imagine
because he kind of maybe looks like a young Harrison Ford.
But it's like, do we really want to go down
that route where we're like just trying to replace Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's lazy, right, I always do.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I always kind of personally liked the other person that
was thrown around, which was Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
To me that he has that he can have that.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Charisma that in Indiana Jones has and that bit of
cockiness sometimes. So personally, I would like brad the Cooper,
but I think he's getting too old at this point.
But then they threw in names like Chris Pratt and
I'm like or Pedro Pascal and it's like, I love
(18:25):
Pedro Pascal, but he doesn't fit the role for me.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
They're all getting older.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
And they're all getting older.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I mean obviously like Indiana Jones, depending where you
where you start this set of movies. If you go
like they did with Harrison, he was older at the time,
but they were making it the story was him as
the professor doing the you know, adventuring. So it makes
(18:59):
more sense because if he's a ten y well I
don't know if he's technically tenured at that point, but
if he's a professor, that's some time put in, uh
and and things like that. So you you would need
an older actor, but not like you probably I would
say mid yeah, mid thirties somewhere in there, which unfortunately
(19:21):
Chris Pratt and Pedro Pascal are not.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Just say no to Chris Pratt period. He doesn't fit
the role for me. He doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
The personality is completely wrong. Just know to Chris Pratt.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
And there's there's tons of other actors out there, these
these there's things with these ones that whenever they pop up,
it's always people picking the people they like in movies.
But like don't really have a reason. I mean, Bradley
Cooper is done the wrong. That would be an amazing get.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Bradley Cooper. I think if you had Hangover Ara.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Bradley Cooper, Yeah, that would be about the that you
should have started him, because then you would he would
be about that same age because I think he was
probably around thirty something when that movie came out. I
could be, you know, completely wrong on that, but that
seems like the age that you would want to start
at Matt and then you could create a you know,
(20:19):
every two or three years, a series, you know, for
Indiana Jones for him to do.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And like I said, he.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Has a he has a look about him that could
be adventurous and also he has the type of acting
chops in charisma about him that would and kind of
I don't know if it's cockiness, but he has that
like I can't think of the word for it, but
(20:45):
he would have been good for the role.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
In my mind he was thirty four.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Now he was thirty four, Yeah, that would have been
a perfect age for him to have started back during
the Hangover. Now he's well into his what forties, fifties,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He's getting too old, definitely too old for it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Now he can play his papa.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh my god, do you do Sean Connery?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah, yeah, Bradley Cooper was born in seventy five, so
he just turned fifty year.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He's wait, he's too old for starting a new series.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, especially one that's you know, I mean, you could
be him older, but it's just that's shooting your franchise
in the foot at that point if you want to
try to make this a lasting thing.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Definitely. And the next question I have is like do
you retread the movies?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Do you.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Do you take the original movies and remake them or
do you do your own stuff just ignoring those movies?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So this is what this is what there's.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So much in there, like because he could definitely as
as you see with Dialogue not dial Disney Great Circle
like that still takes place from what I understand within
the Indiana Jones world, it's just another adventure that he's
been on. Ye, so do you or do or do
you do that? And you just like all of this
stuff has has happened. You've found the Grail, you found
(22:22):
the arc, but you're also doing all of this other
stuff in the meantime. But it's just a different actor.
Do we kind of James Bond him where it's this
like I guess, I don't know at this point where
what James Bond is like, is it just a moniker
passed down to generation's generation of different people or is
(22:44):
it supposed to be all the same person?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So that's the problem within reason with James Bond, James
Bond comparison. So James Bond, we don't know because the
first handful of James Bonds we had they were not
tied to each other at all, so they didn't really
(23:09):
reference an adult. But with the newer Ones, they were
consecutive movie because they were telling one big story with
Indiana Jones. The other than the fact that it's Indiana Jones,
they don't really reference each other in the fact that,
(23:30):
like as we know now Uh, they weren't even told
to us in chronological.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Order, no, which is hilarious to me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
So like when you watch when you was with the
Empire strikes back when you watch the Temple of Doom
for example, Right, technically that happens first yep. So in
all stretches of imagination, he's younger yep. But then when
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you you look so when you think about the other
aspect of it, right, So Last Crusade obviously terrible name
because it's a double It was supposed to be a double. Yeah,
it was the Last Crusade because it was like talking
about the cup. Yeah, like I get that. But also
it was supposed to be like a send off for
the character like in the in the in the franchise.
(24:21):
And then obviously years later they're like, hey, I know
it's not really considered a cash grab, but what if
we revitalize this series. And I'm like, you could do
that or or don't because it seems like a bad idea,
which it was.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Anyway, it's like at.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
That point they should have rebooted the series and rather
than bring it back forward.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And and if you do like the like the tie
in one, I like so like with the great circle. Right,
it works well as a game. The idea of it
works as good as a game because you can make
the character look like Ford. You can get a very
talented voice actor to do of Harrison Ford. Well, sorry,
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do an Indiana Jones voice. I don't want to say
Harrison Ford because it's slightly different than what you would like.
He doesn't sound like Hansolo. He does if he doesn't,
you know what I mean. He's doing that impression of
Harrison Ford's Indiana Jones, which is what's needed because they
set the game within the Harrison Ford storylines. Like obviously
(25:30):
when you first start the game, you actually play through
the sequences of Raiders. I was like it was Raiders, right.
I was like yeah, because it was the whole rolling
ball scene. So that leads into basically saying, hey, this
is that Indiana Jones. But we jump to a thing
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and then you see in his office at one point
or the storeroom thing you see like the the top
or the idol for the Sun's staff, and you get
those references. Right, Sony think you see a picture of
the the shrine from temple with the with the the
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idols in it.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's been a while, so I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I think anyways, because obviously he's not gonna take one
of the idols, because that was the whole premise of
him going there is there, goes back. Would you imagine, well,
they're here now.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
It belongs in the museum.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, uh so like that was it made sense for
it to be in the in that universe because they're
you and and they're utilizing obviously uh characters, well actually
really only one character out after after the Raiders reference,
(26:54):
but like the the dude from the college who's not tech,
is he the dean?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Uh? Yeah, he was at not I don't think at
the big because.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're talking about Marcus Brody. I don't think in Raiders
he was dean. He was some other administrative person. But
I think by the time we get to Last Crusade
he was.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's mentioned maybe in uh.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Uh the Alien one Crystal Skull, because I remember that
being there being like a I think a statue of
him where I think it mentioned that he was dean
of the college.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, it's funny to though all this what so Indian
Jones raised the Lost arc right India Jones, The Temple
of Doom. India Jones, The Last Crusade. Yeah, those three
movie titles don't actually reference a specific thing, they're just titles. Yeah,
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Crystal Skull references, the mcguffin dial of Destiny.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
References the mcguffin.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Oh wow, that's just lazy. Maybe that's why they're so shit. Sorry,
Desney wasn't terrible. The whole time travel thing was pretty
fucking rough though, because it's like, why, like this is
the same problem with showing aliens is like it's not
spectacular anymore. It's just fucking on the nose.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I think the problem with those movies as well is
they got away from the the religious but more of
like miraculous type of thing because for the most part
you're introduced to Indiana Jones in.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
A world that is ours.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Yeah, you know, World War two had it is happening
or about to happen. I can't remember exactly what year,
but obviously the Nazis are are out looking for occult
objects and Indie doesn't believe in that type of stuff
because it's it's our world. That stuff is just legend
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and it doesn't there is no magical ability about it.
So those first three movies where you're searching for and
I mean guess the second movie isn't more of a
Christian ideological thing, but I'm sure it's maybe a different
the religious type thing. But those are the and that's
(29:32):
why I mean, at least to me, it does suffer
a little bit. But well, I shouldn't say that struck
that from the record.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That seems.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Either way the stories, the stories basically floated around something
that was ideological and mystical, but in a world where
it seems like that those shouldn't have existed, but they
still had some magical power actually to be found with them,
whereas the other movies stepped away from that. They weren't
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tied to any type of religious iconography or anything like that.
They were tied to other conspiratorial type things aliens and
UFOs and whatnot. It's a very nineteen fifties type of thing,
which is when Kreemdom of the Crystal Stul happens.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
But there is no magic behind it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, it's just aliens.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
It's just aliens. And the same thing with the Dial
of Destiny.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
There is definitely some sort of magic behind it, but
there's no magic behind that. It is somehow some ancient
philosopher or engineer Archimedes was it. Archimedes develops a mcguffin
device that has magical powers behind it, but there's no
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magic behind that magic type of thing.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's it's at that point it's more science because it's
not the device, isn't the the isn't the key to
time travel? Right, it's the key to finding the temporal
rift that allows the time travel happen.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And and you lose to me, you lose that magic
behind things where that you're you have a bigger you
have a bigger thought of, like you know, what possibly
does exist and what possibly doesn't exist behind it?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know, there is no I'm losing track.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Of, like like the words exactly I'm looking for, but
they're you know, you have the ultimate thought of, like okay,
does God exist?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Does religion exist? Type of thing.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Even though this has all happened to Indy, he still
doesn't quite believe type of thing. And those are the
first three movies it has that that that question of
stuff and that kind of hopefulness behind it, where the
the last two are just straight science fiction thing with
no miracle, no no hopefulness or anything behind it. There's
no extra message there, There's just a science Macgothin thing
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that happens, and then that's it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
And that's where that's I think again when we step
back into uh the Great Circle, because we step back
into that more more religious we're looking forward uh Noah's
arc and you have the the giants, and you have
the Vaticans involved, and you have all that type of stuff,
and you're you're dipping back into that religious iconography of
(32:38):
of like, well, what what do we know about the
world really? You know, does our you know, is there
certain aspects of religion that are are real or not
real type of thing, you know. And that's one reason
why I do think that the game works very well.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, because you're not you're.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Not stepping into science.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Sure it can be done correctly, but it just wasn't
done well in those movies.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Plus the idea of Archimedes creating a you know, there's
a different and they're there of itself. You have the
mcguffin thing that's imbued with a power beyond beyond our
understanding type thing, with the Ark of the Covenant, with
the the Holy Grail, with the Shankara stones, with the
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pieces of of I'm trying to remember what you collected, Uh,
what you collected great circle, you collected tablet pieces.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Be able to to to be able to find where
the arc of the or not arc the cover where.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
The one you got.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
This, wherever the big boat is? And there was more
to it than that.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I'm just not gonna not gonna spoil it if you
haven't finished the game. It's it's definitely a great game
to build or to be. But again then you get
into the other stuff and it's like, there's no like
I said earlier, there's no power behind the power.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's just like science.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, Archimedes just invented a thing that could find
the thing. Yeah, you know what viewed that thing with
power is not a question, is not something that you
have to like maybe think about. It's just a thing
that was invented to find a thing. And then the
same thing with the Kingdom and the crystal skull, like
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that was the skull was just an alien that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
There was nothing.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
The only question beyond that is where they come from?
Well the space between spaces?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Thanks, yeah, And it's like but also like but there.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Was nothing behind it. There was no.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know, if somebody got a hold of this became
immortal if a word or it could put it behind
it in front of armies and lay waste to other armies.
And we're not protecting the world from from this thing,
which Indy would be doing. We're just oh, it's a
thing that we found.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Yeah, and he's not going after to save a relic
or to well by accident saving relics if you're talking
about Temple of Doom, because he was never supposed to
be there.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But again that but even that concept right there, not
to interrupt you, is one of those ideas of like
he wasn't supposed to be here, but was he? Like
even the people themselves say that he was pulled from
the sky to help them. Yeah, you know, it imbues
it with that type of like he's the right person
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in the right place at the right time type of thing.
And that even has that type of like questioning whether
or not there's some other greater influence there that might
be helping him along.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, unlike the other ones. It's very interesting, right thought process.
But to the original what we're talking about is I
feel a reboot, an actual real reboot, would be more,
would be better. But the issue is when do you
(36:15):
when do you put Indy what time? Friend? You still
said it in that Nazi era, And that's.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
My question as well, because again we saw it with
with when we went to the nineteen fifties, like the
big thing of that time was aliens and UFOs. Indy
only works well for the most part if if it
isn't a time And I'm saying this slowly because I'm
(36:46):
trying to think it out where there is no technology,
where the technology is just basically a compass and a map, you.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Know, yeah, because it's it's what the the whole premise
of Indiana Jones, right of not of Indian Jones, sorry,
of who Indiana Jones is. Is this beyond being just
an archaeologist, right, Like he is an archaeologist, right, but
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he has this mind for like the puzzling things like
the like you were saying earlier, the things that he
wants to disprove, the really like the magic behind it. Right,
He's like, because I don't believe in the arc of
the Covenant. Now when we first start Raiders, Uh well no, sorry,
(37:39):
let's not say that, because he's getting the idol out
of the out of that the trap, right, that's not
I'm talking about the actual like arc of the Covenant mission. Right,
it starts off is they're just going after this religious artifact, right,
and he wants to stop them because he believes it
needs No, he doesn't believe that it is the powerful
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weapon that the Nazis believe it is and that it
ultimately actually is well, which is not really an weapon.
It's more of just like it's a power we shouldn't
be able to, we shouldn't wield because we can't wield
it anyways. But he doesn't believe that he's going there
to save this religious artifact that a nobody knows where
(38:22):
it's at technically, and he's obviously done some research on it,
but they failed at one point because of you know,
circumstances him being a ladies man in a drunk. But
he then says, oh this new evidence, right, like, Okay,
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maybe I can find it before them, because even if
it's not this because I don't believe it's this weapon, right,
I'm talking as Indie, but I don't want them to
destroy this artifact because I don't believe it's you know,
the religious power that it is, but I believe that
it has a purpose in our history, like the world's history.
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So I want to save it from being possibly being destroyed,
not because I believe the Nazis could use it to
you know, take over the world. I want to save
that because that's what he does. He saves these relics
for the educational purpose and not the you know, religious
aspect of him. Same thing. Well, and then in Temple,
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he's actually not going after the stones. He stumbles upon that,
like you're saying, but he was trying to go out
Like again beginning of that movie, he's technically trying to
get something else, and then stumbles into this adventure, but
he falls into things like, oh, I've heard of these
before because I'm a well knowledged dude. Right, And then
(39:55):
you go to Last Crusade again. You start off he's
on a different adventure, right, doing something else, then stumbles
on to the adventure that we're gonna go on, which
is these the Nazis going after the well, the remnants
of the Nazis at that point, right, because that's after.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
World War Two, it gets towards the tail end.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, So it's still going on, kay, So it's.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Still during World War two, it's just towards the tail end.
I think it's like nineteen forty.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Three or something like that.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But then he's like, oh, they're going after this religious
artifact again, because that's what Nazis do and they deserve
you punch in the face. I don't believe it's the
Fountain of Youth, right, but I want to stop them
from destroying artifacts in these potential religious or well again
(40:50):
they're religious icon places and things, you know, like they
he doesn't want them to destroy the history of things
trying to get grasp for power. So that is the
essence of Indiana Jones, right, like he is the crusader
in lack of a better word, of history, but not
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religion because he again and he said this in the movies,
like I don't he's seen shit, like he even like
if you go back and you go into like the
Young Indiana Jones series, he even stumbled upon some things
that were less were outside of the normal realm of idea.
(41:36):
They they they border online of like miracles are magic,
but they're not like and I can't remember all of them,
but like, you know, like they they fell in like
very similar in line with the first three movies where
he was a student at the time and he was
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on these adventures, but he was they to preserve because
of his dad, the history behind them. He wasn't a
treasure seeker. He wasn't this like Zelots type person, you
know what I mean, Like he wasn't going there for
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this thing that was like, Oh, I believe in the
power of it. No, I believe in the history of it.
I believe in humanity's history that revolves around it. I
don't believe it, but I believe people believe it, and
that is history. We need to preserve it. So that
was the whole thing. So if you reboot it, that's
(42:41):
where you need to go. And to your point, I
think it needs to stay in that timeframe. I think
we need to jump not all the way back to
young Indiana Jones time, but I'm talking like early twenties,
like maybe he's just finished college.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Interesting you know.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Type thing where he's not a professor yet, but he's
he's kind of Peter Parking it where he's like he
wants to be that academic only because he doesn't have
any other real life skills other than tracking down stuff
solving puzzles. But he's like he's a giant history nerd, right,
(43:25):
and like the best way possible. So like the the
like the only thing he can do is teach that
down the line, because that does give them the ability
to then say, hey, I'm gonna go find this thing
because of that that that aspect of it. And obviously
(43:46):
in the first I'll say movie or so, uh, he
wouldn't even be a teacher. He may even be like
a teacher's aid, Like he may be just working at
the college for the the the archaeology department and his
literally he's sourcing these things, like that's what he's going
to do, you know what I mean, Like he's not.
(44:09):
And it's a lot of it is like kind of
like maybe on the side, like he sees these things,
he hears talks about stuff, and he goes, go, my
little book here, I had a theory about this, Let's
go investigate my theory, and that leads him into the
big adventure. But I think it needs to your point,
I think it needs to be in that time capsule
(44:30):
of an era because when you jump forward, sort of
like the Robert Langdon stories, technology kind of gets in
the way of the mystery. But also it dissolves that mystery,
that that ability to have instant knowledge of things at
(44:52):
your fingertips is taking away much like one of the
reasons I guess I don't I don't want to say
a dis like the National Treasure movies, but I don't
like the National Treasure movies. But they were attempting to
do kind of what Indiana Jones would be doing in
like a modern age, right, They're trying to save the
(45:13):
fucking Constitution. I don't remember decoration everything, whatever it is.
I don't like those.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Movies movies, so I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
But and it's like the the idea. Actually, I guess
the closer allegory would actually be or comparison to be
tone Raider, right, yes, because she kind of falls in
that same thing, Like she sheses technology like GPS, right,
but she's going towards unmapped things, like things that like
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humans haven't really been to in decades, you know, eons,
the same way India is doing obviously, but he's more
of like he's less of a treasure hunter. Uh sorry
Lower Croft fans, but she is.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah. I mean there's a reason why she's called the
tomb Raider.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Yeah, reading tombs, You're you're not like trying to preserve things.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Yeah, because like with Indy. He is trying to get
artifacts back from people, and he's obviously trying to stop
people from getting artifacts because he's trying to preserve that history.
So like adding in technology in a modern era, you
don't really actually you'd get found of Youth if you
(46:32):
don't watched it. That's exactly what what they do is
they use technology.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
The new one with.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Jim from the Office, Jim from the.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Office, I was actually gonna go with the different Jack Ryant,
but yeah, I know that I have yet to watch that,
even though that's like right up my alley type of
thing I have. I have yet to watch it, but
I've heard that it's not great.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
It's it's not it's one of the worst Guy Ritchie movies.
It's definitely a Guy Richie movie. But it's the problem
with it is it's.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Just not.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's not well, it's not well written. I think that's
the biggest problem. Yeah, and I think if you do
watch it and maybe you'll have a different thought process.
It feels to me it was rushed like they were
trying to do something in it that they just couldn't
either get or edited it out. Because it was one
(47:26):
of those things where like, actually, to bring it back
to Crystal Skull, Remember how Crystal Skull everything's kind of
fell into place, Like it was like, oh, we just
happened to be here at the right time every fucking time.
But like the other Indiana Jones movies, he is ahead
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of the game because he knows things, and he's sometimes
playing catchup on both the first and the last one.
I'm talking release order, not chronologically, because he's like, oh,
I know about this, this and this. They think this,
I'm gonna go and cut him off kind of you
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cut him off at the pass type of thing. Right
in this you're like they're kind of like jumping that
same type thing where there's like, oh, just this and
then like one thing has to happen and it all
falls into place and it happens like two or three times,
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and it's like, oh, well, that's not fun. Kind of
actually kind of like National Treasure too, where it's like
it just happens to be that this is And that's
obviously a lot more conspiracy thing in those movies, because
like you know, there's like government cover ups and stuff
like that. But yeah, it was just it seemed rushed.
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It seemed like they had this idea and then they
went away from it. But also they pulled a crystal
skull and they actually show the Fountain of Youth spoilert
it's called Fountain of Youth for a reason. But then
they show it, and that's like, the only real decent
thing is the not that they show it, the what
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happens there is. That's the turning point of the character.
And I get the I get the idea that they
wanted to make this more of these movies and make
him and turn him because he's kind of like a
lower Croft character in a way. He's like he's benefiting
(49:35):
off of it. But they're building in this story that
he's trying to build. He's trying to make reparations for
something he did in the past, because they keep referencing
things that like happen, but then they kind of skew
it like it's a flashback, and then like the next
time they show the flashback it's slightly different. And then
(49:57):
when you get to the Fountain of Youth in the
he has while interacting with the fountain because it's not
in this movie. It's not you drink it and you're younger,
you bathe in it. You have to absorb it in
your body and then but it doesn't matter. It's dumb.
That's not the point. The point is the character that
Jim from the Office plays, or Jack Ryan. He has
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a turning point in his character at that moment where
he has to make a decision that could ultimately give
him what he wants per se, but he realizes that
the ultimate sacrifice he's gonna have to make is not
worth it. And it kind of makes you think he
did something like that in the past, where like this
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is gonna give him the ultimate power for what he's
looking for, right, But the sacrifice he has to make
is that much worse than what he did before. But
they never tell you what it is. They allude to
certain things. But the big twist movie, well, I guess
there's two really character twists. Uh. And then the the
(51:05):
part at the end where the fountain is like the Genie,
like the wish from the Genie. You have to be
very specific what you asked for, okay, because there's there's
it's it's gonna be a balance, right like in the
true story of the Genie the Lamp. It's not just oh,
I want to be filthy rich, right right?
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Well, how where do those riches come from?
Speaker 3 (51:25):
This is yead like I can even envision, like I,
you know, I want to be able to live forever, okay,
but you still.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Age, yeah you know, yeah yeah, So like that's the
thing is, like you know, and then like ultimately, the
fountain is trying to find someone worthy of the power.
So I think that's kind of like the whole thing
is like he passes on it, but then the bad
guy doesn't, and then the bad guy pays the ultimate price,
(51:52):
which is his life, because you realize, like the fountain
much like the the the Holy Grail situation, right, it's
that thing was like your your hubrisk gets ahead of
you because like you think the grail should be this
spectacular gold cup with all these jewels anointed on it, right,
(52:14):
So then you drink the water. The water is not magic.
The goblet's magic, right, and but and he knows it's
not the shiny one with all the jewels on it
because it's not the Yeah, so then he's like, oh,
it's this one. It's this basic one that was handmade
and probably you know, was used for multiple things as
(52:37):
well as drinking water.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
M h.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
So that kind of that that idea, right is the
fountain is like a double edged sword, but also like
if you truly want the power, the power and the
but it's gonna know like that you're that, you know
you want that, you don't want it for good reasons.
So that was kind of cool, but like showing the
fountains like fucking ridiculous. Plus it was like the weirdest
(53:04):
of places. It's inside of a pyramid, but like in
a reverse pyramid. It's so dumb anyways.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Anyway, so yeah, I agree, like to wrap that up
like it, I think you just run into too many
especially if you like uber modernize it, like I can
see if you put something sometime around National Treasure era.
You do have a lot of technologies cell phone, satellite
stuff like that. If you upgrade things too way too
modern for an Indiana Jones movie. You have light are
(53:36):
you have all this other technology that you can use.
And I get that you can you can properly put
that into a story in order to help you along
the way, But I think it loses some of the
mystique in magic when you can strip things away with technology.
And that's what Indiana Jones in the nineteen forties is
(53:56):
as you've mentioned earlier. A lot of what he knows
is because he studied it. He's studied maps, he studied
old texts, you know, and stuff like that. He can
speak multiple languages, where if you bring it into the
more modern thing, yeah, you can still do all that stuff,
but it feels like technology just yeah, like AI whatever
(54:16):
just kind of strips a lot of that can strip
a lot of that stuff away, and it loses again,
it loses the magic behind it.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
Which is what happens round by the way, technology kind
of kills it.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, anyway, so I don't think we need to beat
that dead horse anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
No.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
The only other thing that I would want to mention
this week is I totally forgot that there's a Legend
of Zelda movie coming out, and apparently they cast the
two main characters, Zelda and Link. I'm trying to remember
the names of these people because I've never heard him before.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Benjamin Evan has been cast. Evan Bevin, Jamin.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
Evan's Ainsworth, I think that's the dude name has been
cast as Link. He's sixteen years old. I think it
says in the Starbok from.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
New York, as he should be and.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The person playing Zelda is.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Bo Braxton a twenty one year old, so it sounds
like they're going for a young a much younger link,
Like I know, I know a lot of the Links
and Zelda's are fairly young in all of.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
The video games.
Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yeah, but it still sounds like we're really going for
like a young, you know, coming of age that the
New Yorker I believe it says like a coming of
age story here. And then there's speculation in here of
like which is which Zelda it would be? There they're
speculating wind Waker, which would be an interesting take to
(55:57):
me because I remember wind Waker being a more of
a controversial legend of Zelda, Like it wasn't a lot
of people's favorite. I don't know if it's because it
was like the first Cell shaded one that people.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
Didn't like it, Yeah, and a lot of it was
it was because it was less of the classic boots
on the ground I guess.
Speaker 3 (56:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Zelda games like okerant a Time would actually be the
better story.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
Well, so that's the other one that they listed here
as the possible. But since they haven't liked akeran Time
first off, Okray and Time would be great not to
cut you off, but just real quick, it'd be great.
But the problem is is that that is a story
to tell over multiple movies, because you have young link
for a good portion of the beginning and then you
(56:49):
have an older link for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
And since they've.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
Only really cast the younger side of things so far,
that's why they're like it would lead, it would lead
to towards this lean in this direction as well, but
you would also have to cast the older generation as
well to really link it up.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
And again like link it up.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
It's a it's a much bigger story to tell rather
than just a concise Windwaker or any other you could
I mean, obviously you could just make up your own
like they did with the Mario movie, and Mario movie
didn't follow the events of Mario Brothers, which it was
just a Mario movie within that world. Yeah, so you
(57:32):
could definitely still do that to make up your own
Zelda movie.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
It's it's basically it's all about the three things, right,
the tri force you have you've linked your Zelda, and
you have gannon door for Gan and how ever you
want to call him right, and then those are your
your three pieces right, wisdom, power, and Uh. Fuck was
the other one?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Wisdom? Power? Was it courage?
Speaker 1 (57:58):
It might be a camera all of them anyways, So
you have those three pillars, right, So that's what you need.
That's your story. But if you want to go like
based on anything, you could do a the o G
Legend of Zelda game where it's basically just you set
the venture of he has to go to make basically
(58:21):
three dungeons to find the piece of the try force too,
I don't know, break the hold that Gannadorf has on
the princess and holding her in place or whatever. Then
you have oh my god, I'm spacing on it. What's
the the six nineteen sixty four on a super Ninhindo one.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Legend of Zelda two?
Speaker 1 (58:48):
No, no, no, no, that was that's a that's a
good one too. No, hold on, what's the one where
he uh, it's the it's the one he flips through
two other dimension and like he turns into a bunny,
but then he has to get the piece that allows
him not to do it. It's the one that was like classic.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Twilight Princess, that was where he turns into a wolf.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
But that's going into the Twilight realm.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
It turns into a bunny.
Speaker 1 (59:16):
Spacing the name of this god name.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Because yeah, the legend of Zelda, the legend Zelda two.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
Uh you have I believe links Awakening, but I believe
that was a game Boy Link to the Past, Link
to the Past, Okay, because Link to the Past was
also released with was that the Fourth Seasons one?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Was that one of the duel ones that they did.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
No, that was later on?
Speaker 2 (59:38):
It was later on? Okay, yeah, four Seasons and something else.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, Links Awakening was the game Boy one also a
really good game. Ocer Nay of Time obviously one of
the most classic Zelda games of all time. Four Swords
was so basically, uh, Ocernay of Time led to Majora's
mas Yes, and then Oracle of the Seasons and Oracle
(01:00:05):
of the Ages. I was trying to think, Yeah, those
ones were dual games that were on the game Boy
Color technically, but game Boy. Then you have Four Swords,
which also fell in that same one, and then you
had the Minish Cap. But then obviously win Waker was
in there, and win Waker was a departure from the
(01:00:29):
boots on the ground type gameplay that the other ones
were and gave you more of like a dungeon crawler
type thing where you basically find an island, doing an
adventure on the island, and you're trying to ultimately find
your way to the end game of Zeld of saving Zelda.
Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
That another interesting thing for that one, because I remember
that game, like you said, like you found a thing
on an island, and then you had to take it
back to a place, go down through another dungeon, and
each dungeon floor linked to the dungeon that you went to.
So each time you found something in the dungeon, if
I call right, you had to take it back to
(01:01:06):
the one main dungeon to go through all those floors
in order to then place that thing there.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah, yeah, because that's and as the ultimately you're trying
to do is you're trying to rebuild whatever that is
that allows you to access where Gannon it wasn't called
Gannon in that one. What was he called in wind Waker?
Was he Ganed?
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I don't think he was called.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Was he called Gannon someone them? I thinking of a
different when he was not called Gannon technically, No, I want.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
To say that he probably wasn't called Gannon in this one.
Let's see who I can find. There's going to be
a Wikipedia article somewhere weaker that's not space.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Talk about movies or talk about games that don't really
have a a continuing story other than the fact that
they're this agely hero is reborn to fight. His name.
His name is Gannon. This one, which game I think
is not called Gannon. I know he's called Gannendorf and
some of them.
Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I could have swore that you were right, that this
was something where he had a different name, title, something
or other, because I know that because Tetra is you
find out is Zelda.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's her first name right now.
Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I think it was just a different name. But she
comes from the because if I call it right, the
story of this one is like years after high Rule happened,
a flood happened, and so she's like a great descendant
of Zelda.
Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Yeah, they always are. He and Link is the like
the destined hero from descended down from the line of
heroes or some shit, and they're just like always destined
to be opposite each other, but like, you know, need
to be together.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Just to call some in this one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
There was one where he didn't he had a different name.
Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Was it one of the earlier ones where he was
like more of the.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Pig guy, and maybe because I remember something about the
very early ones, maybe Zelbit two.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Start Wars, so it doesn't matter, I.
Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Don't think, but yeah, I mean, ultimately, ultimately, the point
is I forgot about this this thing coming out, and
then apparently, you know, it got cast and it's scheduled
for release in twenty twenty seven, so obviously still haven't
haven't really shot anything yet and there's still just announcing
cast members for it. But it was just kind of
(01:03:50):
one of those weird things of like, oh shit, I
forgot this is even happening. And it's live action too.
It's not a CG fest like Mario was.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
So I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Yeah, because something Pictures will co finance. It should be
the Worldwide west Ball Interesting west Ball is attached to direct.
Is he still attached to direct? Because that's kind of cool.
He did King of the Planet of the Apes, he
did the Maze Runner movies. He did something else to
(01:04:31):
what was the other big one he did that was
real fun, but at.
Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Least he somewhat has like action adventure type of pedigree.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I don't know, but I guess those are all
of them. Oh he did, because he did two of
the planet he did. Uh oh yeah, there's just those
the Maze Runner movies, and then King of the Planet
of the Apes.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
And then something called ruin Or, which is after legend Zelda.
Apparently interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I'm still called again in In uh Zelda too?
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
All right, well whatever, yeah, AnyWho, Uh that'll be it
for this week's episode. If comes naturally, we have been Joe,
I've been Cody, and as usual, you fuckers just came naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Bye.
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