Episode 606: What the hell is the story of this damn book

On this week's episode, Cody kicks things off with an enthusiastic discussion about some of the exciting news emerging from the highly anticipated New York Comic-Con 2025. He shares with Joe the thrilling announcement regarding the much-celebrated return of Jessica Jones, a character that has garnered a loyal fanbase, as she will be portrayed once again by the talented actress Kristen Ritter in the upcoming season 2 of Daredevil: Born Again. This revival has sparked a wave of excitement among fans, who are eager to see how Jessica's character will evolve within the gritty narrative of Hell's Kitchen. Additionally, Cody reveals that there will be a new addition to the cast for this season: none other than Matthew Lillard, known for his diverse roles in both film and television, who will take on the character of Mr. Charles. This character is expected to serve as a formidable rival to Vincent D'Onofrio's iconic portrayal of Wilson Fisk, also known as Kingpin. The dynamic between these characters promises to add depth and intrigue to the unfolding storylines.Continuing the conversation, Cody expresses his enthusiasm about Edgar Wright's upcoming project, The Running Man, which has been generating buzz in the film community. He discusses the unique approach Wright is known for, particularly his ability to blend humor with action, and how this might redefine the classic narrative originally conceived by Stephen King. Cody's excitement is palpable as he transitions to a discussion about anime, specifically highlighting his anticipation for the new season of One-Punch Man. This leads to an engaging dialogue between the two about the intricacies of anime, including the often-controversial topic of filler episodes. They explore how filler can sometimes detract from the main storyline, yet also provide opportunities for character development and world-building, leading to a deeper appreciation of the medium.As the episode progresses, the conversation shifts to literature, with both Cody and Joe sharing insights about the books they are currently reading. Cody dives into a discussion about The End of the World as We Know It: New Tales of Stephen King's The Stand, a collection of short stories that expand upon the universe of King's iconic novel. He elaborates on how these new tales offer fresh perspectives and narratives that enrich the original story, and how they resonate with contemporary themes of survival and morality. Joe then shares his own literary journey, revealing that he has started reading the latest installment in the Robert Langdon series, titled The Secret of Secrets. This prompts a lively exchange about Dan Brown's distinctive writing style, his penchant for weaving intricate puzzles, and the thrill of uncovering hidden truths within historical contexts.To wrap up the episode, the guys delve into a discussion about the novel "S." by Doug Dorst and J.J. Abrams. They explore the innovative narrative structure of the book, which combines a story with margins filled with annotations, letters, and other ephemera that create a multi-layered reading experience. Cody and Joe contemplate the implications of such a format on storytelling and how it challenges traditional narratives, inviting readers to engage in a more interactive way. Their conversation reflects a shared appreciation for creativity in literature and the evolving nature of storytelling in both books and other media. Overall, this episode is packed with insights, excitement, and a celebration of the rich tapestry of storytelling across various platforms.





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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Sorry for the delay, not that it was very long,
but yeah, right, apparently my computer updated to twenty six
point zero point one and I did not did not
notice that. So what is happening here? Okay?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Opened up Apple News and it's weird.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I saw something that said celebrating ten years of Apple News,
and I was like, oh, that's weird, clicked on that
and sat there.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Loading, loading, loading, loading, and.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Then Apple News just suddenly closed and now I can
come back into it and out there it goes.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was like all that was gone.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
It was like all right, sure, sure, indeed.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Sure sure. H hell everything's being slow, gosh, dang it. Yeah.

(01:28):
So New York Comic Con is going on right now
as of recording.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay, it was announced couple, I mean a couple of
different things. Uh, Jessica Jones is returning for Daredable Born
again in season two. Interesting can confirm because uh, the
actress who plays her came out on stage. Yeah, so
Jessica Jones officially coming back. Now he's need Luke to

(01:56):
come back and some version of Iron Fist.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
That would be season four and then season five.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Well we got season three still so.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
But yeah, but she's doing she's doing season three.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
No, she's doing season two. I just said that. Oh,
because Punisher came back in season one. Yeah, Jessica's in
season two, season three.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's what it meant.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
But also it was announced that Matthew Lillard is gonna
be playing in a political rival to uh Kingpin. So
it's kind of like his a villain to the villain.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, so people are I don't know. I need to
look up to see if he's a known character or
if he's just like a new keep crashing on me. Okay,
you're just acting ald goofy too.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, but I didn't do an update, I know.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Okay, so it's not like it's not the update that
I'm like, that's doing it. News is being stupid, all right, good.
I was typing.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
After I did reopened.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It opened up a terminal and I don't know if
it's scanning through stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Oh that's that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, let's let that go.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Anyway, continue Uh so anyways that I don't know if
he's a known character or not. I can't remember what
they said his character's name wasn't I haven't looked up
looked into it. But kind of exciting Matthew Lillard's getting
a little more love in the world, not just you know,
being in the new Scream or reprising his role. Yeah, right,

(03:40):
in the new Scream, We're iver gonna like pull up
they did with what's his name's character where they bring
him back, but as a fictionary or fiction verse in

(04:00):
the brain of a of a child of theirs. You
probably obviously never watched the newer Screams. So Barry Pepper
revised his role from the original Scream, but he was
he was only a delusion or a mental aberration of
his daughter in the new one, basically making the audience

(04:25):
think that she was the killer, and it kind of
paid off the end was she's not. She wasn't the killer,
but she ended up killing the people that were the
killers in this in that one. But so he was
in it. The only thing, the only problem I have

(04:47):
with it is this she in her head, she saw
him as we saw him in the movies, which she
shouldn't have been able to see because she wasn't alive.
She was if she was in the in the belly
of the mom at that point mm hmm. But she
saw and I don't know why, because it's for the

(05:08):
audience more thanything else. But she would have never seen
the blood splattered version of him. But she did in
her in her brain because you would have never seen
She would have never seen that version unless there's a
bloody picture of him, his body that somehow was you know,

(05:31):
saved and you know, due to media news and stuff
like that. But she wouldn't have been able to see that,
says something that the only thing but you know, I digress.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah sounds interesting, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
If you know, if you're into that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
They announced Mortal Kombat three at the panel for Mortal
Kombat two, Cool says the writers work is. Warner Brothers
is very happy with what they have with the second movie.
People online were saying, then why was it delayed? And
it was delayed because of a a week perform our

(06:15):
week performance and the time frame was going to be
in because it was going up against some pretty big movies.
But also I think they needed time for effects because
it wasn't I don't think it was reported as reshoots.
I think it was they were just trying to nail
down some of the visuals because there's a probably gonna

(06:36):
be a lot in this particular one because it's I
believe this is going into the tournament. I don't know
if this is the tournament yet because they talked about
Mortal Kombat the end of Mortal Kombat one, but there's
a lot more people in this one, so a lot
more characters. So uh, because he's even the last trailer

(06:58):
they released, you saw some stuff like Katana through her
fan blades and they did that whole like pausing in
the air and spinning in front of uh Johnny, I
was trying to think of I was like gonna say Carl,
but it's not if I was trying to think of
his character's name, and they did the whole like fly
at him and he had a dodged out of the way.

(07:20):
So we'll see how that how that plays out. What
else did I see? Uh? Oh? Speaking of Running Man,
Not that we were, but they had the panel there.
They actually someone So the host of the panel asked
the three people that were there, Edgar Wright, Glenn Powell,

(07:46):
and Lee Pace. Lee Pace plays one of the Hunters,
and she asked if a the movie is more true
to the source material so the book, Uh, do they
pay homage to the Arnold Scharzenegger classic and how much
of the movie is out of Edgar's head, you know,

(08:10):
made up, And he said it's the truest. It's much
truer to the novel or source material, as they said,
because I believe it's technically a novella. I don't. Yeah,
it could be wrong. It might be considered I think
it's a novella, though they they do pay homage to Arnold,

(08:32):
uh and it and it's actually a very funny story
and I'll spoil it for you because you'll forget by
the time it comes out or by the time you
watch it. So they don't want to pay homage in
a way of having him as like a like a
reprisal character, like because this one it is a game show,
but it's less like the game show from Arnold one,

(08:55):
which obviously you and I both love because that movie
is fantastic and it's basically the perfect action movie for
back then. But the the way they wanted to do
it is obviously recognize Arnold some way, but not talk
about like make this almost not like a legacy sequel,

(09:16):
you know what I mean. This is like a whole
fresh take on it. So what they did is they
put him on currency, and he's on the one hundred
dollars bill or sorry, one hundred bill, whatever that or
what kind of currency it does. I don't know if it's
the dollar or what because it is set in America,
but who knows what the post apocalyptic kind of America

(09:38):
that they live in. What the what the the currency
is titled, But it does look very The bill itself
looks very based on like the Chinese dollar or even
like the the more current I think even the Canadian
has a big picture on it. But it's like this
big turquoise colored bill with Arnold's picture on it, with

(10:01):
you know, the denomination of one hundred on there. So
I thought it was pretty cool, nice and Edgar did
dodge the a little bit of that question of the
video I saw of answering the question of how much
of it he made up versus what you know, because
there's like a lot you can extrapolate from the words,
but there's also a lot of visuals you have to

(10:22):
kind of make up on your own because it's not
gonna have everything in there. But he was very cagey
about how much of his own he put in there,
but it was still still pretty cool that they are
obviously leaning more towards into the because in the for
Joe and for people who haven't read because I don't
think you've read The Running Man, right. The premise is

(10:44):
very similar to The Arms Sourcenager when it's a game show, right,
but instead of being like convicted felons and stuff like that,
it's more of like a volunteer type thing, and it's
basically it takes place over thirty days, so you have
thirty days. You're one of many that are in it,

(11:05):
and you basically get your picture and video posted everywhere
and hunters and people assign up to be hunters will
literally hunt you down for thirty days. If you can
survive thirty days, you win the money, and if you don't,
you die obviously. And so Glenn Pole's character is the

(11:28):
main character, the Running Man, and he's doing it to
earn money for his daughters who is has an illness,
and basically he the higher you go up, the like
the longer you last, you actually start getting sponsors and
people like trying to help you out. But also like

(11:52):
double edged sword, because the more you get helped, the
more eyes are on you, and the more that the
longer you last, the more hunters will start after you
because they've already killed other contestants. So like it's like
this pyramid of fuckery that you get stuck in. So
when you at the bottom the pyramid of fuckery, you're

(12:12):
just one of many, and so you can kind of
like skate by unless you're dumb and you start, like,
you know, showing yourself in public more. Then as you
go up more there's obviously less like people to worry about,
but more hunters because there's less people. And as you
get and as you get sponsors and like more eyes
are on you, more people will start recognizing you, and

(12:35):
then they will start telling hunters because they think they're
gonna get it part of the bounty. So like it's
like this double edged sword thing. But also like you know,
you become like this mild celebrity, which is a very
fun and valid point nowadays in our media, where certain

(12:56):
people do certain things and they get like they get
notoriety for it when they shouldn't. They get celebrated for
certain things. This is a little different because like he's
not out here just murdering people. But the hunters, on
the other hand, are literally just like it's this thing
where was like, they get paid to murder people, but

(13:16):
it's justified because it's part of the game. So it's
like that's fucking wild. But yeah, so that's kind of cool.
I think that was all I saw about it. On
the poster I sent you guys the other day. It
was the new one. They one of two new ones.
I haven't found a good resolution of the second one

(13:37):
because the one on Twitter, like can you click on it?
It's like are my eyes going bad? Or did someone
take it? Yeah? I was like, what the fuck? But
I'll find it because I'm pretty sure a high res
version of it will appear the next day or so
if I didn't check today. But pretty pretty cool. Do

(14:01):
do what else? What else? What else? What else? It's
a pretty narly cosplay happening.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I've been seeing some of that stuff pop up, and
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Your comic con was going on.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah, oh, they showed off the new I think I
sent it to you guys the tailer for the new
Game of Throne show.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Jesus Christ, I can't do anything. Anytime I try and
do anything in Apple News.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It just crashes.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh oh oh.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Every time I reopen. It reopens that that terminal.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
What if you leave the terminal open.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
I leave the.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Terminal open, and then what happens is, I'll go do
something in Apple. I'll let it run, it stops. I
got to do something in Apple Apple News. The Apple
News will crash and the terminal will be like, okay,
process complete. It's like, yeah, I guess anyway.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
New trailer for Starfleet Academy was dropped that shows off
Paul Giamatti. Uh oh. They announced Vision Quest show our series. Sorry,
sorry for Disney Plus, and it was officially announced that uh,

(15:25):
Ultron will be making appearance in it and it will
be voiced by James Spader. Okay, I don't know if
Ultron Ultron like the body will show up because obviously
he was moved over to Vision and well they tried
to move him over to Vision. He was trying to
move himself over the vision and Vision became Vision. So

(15:46):
it might just be the entity of but not a
physical version because that would be real bad for everybody. Yeah,
because Ultron was a dick, just a bit, let's see. Oh,
obviously the wonder Man trailer teaser and then trailer came
out that ales pretty interesting. Let's see nobody cares about

(16:17):
Ashton Kutcher. H h. There's some other stuff too. Oh yeah,
A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which is the new
Game of Thrones show that got it's uh a first
poster which featured the first look at the characters, and

(16:40):
then it had the trailer drop which give a pretty
good view of everything.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Kind of excited about that one because it's like less.
I don't want to say made up because I haven't
watched any of the newer the newer show. Uh, I
don't want to say made up because like obviously, like
the new show is based on like that history book
that was written, but like the history book is just

(17:10):
literally short snippets of the history, you know what I mean,
it's not full stories. For this is based on a
novella that was written, and it's a full story and
it's a really good story. Well that's actually technically it's
a novella of short stories. I'm not mistaken, but it's
one story told in those but it was it was

(17:31):
a really fun one. It does have implications in the future,
but it takes place one hundred years before Game of Thrones,
and the visuals in that trailer were awesome. I was like, dang,
you guys are doing good things. Not that the visuals
of the other What is the new one called Blood

(17:54):
of the Dragon? No, is it right? Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
It sounds right.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, that one. I haven't watching any of that, right,
But yeah, so that was that. M hmm. I'm trying
to think of it. Saw anything else?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not seeing anything here. A lot of it is
just pictures of cosplays.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And yeah, there's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Dark Crystal Age of Resistance revealed.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, I didn't see what that one was.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know either.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Little is known about Netflix's Dark Crystal Age of Resistance
at ten, episode prequel to the beloved nineteen to eighty
two fantasy film created by Jim Henson. The release date
is set down the project, which wrapped filming just last week.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
H all right, interesting little tibit. Sigourney Weaver has met
with Disney about a new Alien script. It's a very
strong first fifty pages.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Okay, interesting, very interesting. I still haven't finished Alien Earth.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Have you?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
No? Actually DOESN'TNA do it this weekend?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, they still have the last two episodes left.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
And then I saw notication this morning that one punch
Man season three started came out, okay, and I like
that anime because it's ridiculous. So I've heard it's also
one of the best ones because it doesn't have a lot,
it doesn't really have filler episodes. Yeah, the season season
two was a little different because season two they were

(19:49):
they're setting up more of a story. Season one, it
was like every episode was like just ticking forward. Season two,
it did wasn't filler, don't be wrong, I'm not saying
was like light filler, but season two took place over
less time, like like there was like four five episodes

(20:10):
that took place within the same day, but during the
events of like a karate tournament that other stuff was
happening to in season three is a direct connection to
season two or season one to season two. There was
like season one told a story and then it went
on from there where two and three are connected through

(20:32):
a main storyline, which is Man becomes monster blah blah blah.
But it's a it's a fun show. It's ridiculous because
like the main character in it, Sitama is literally the
most powerful superhero on the planet, but he doesn't want
to be like he doesn't want to be in the limelight.
He just wants to be a hero for fun. But

(20:53):
then he found out he needs he needs to get
certified to get paid to do that, because you can't
just be a vigilante because otherwise you're it's illegal, because
being a vigilanian every universe is illegal. Yeah, so he
becomes He's like, oh, I'll do this, but he like
doesn't pass all the tests really well, so he only

(21:13):
becomes a sidekick at first, and then his protege, who
he doesn't really believe needs to be a protege. But
like this guy believes that he's the most knows that
he's the most powerful hero, so he like wants to
be his protege and a geo geno and he's a
cyborg and he's really powerful, but like he has to

(21:35):
do all these things to power himself up to get powerful,
where like Saitama can like literally use one punch to
kill things, but like doesn't use that power, like he
kind of holds back to battle and then he's like
he's like, all right, you seem powerful enough. Then he
gives him that one punch and it just decimates him.
He's like, well, I was wrong. Yeah, it's just it's

(21:55):
a really fun show. If you get a chance to
watch the first season, like, you should check it out.
I believe it's it's all on Disney Plus slash Hulu,
so like, if you have Disney Plus you can watch
it because it's on Hulu, which I have both. So good.
So for the people out there if you like, if
you like anime, but you don't want to like sit

(22:16):
down and watch a thousand episodes of One Piece, and
especially if like six hundred and twenty of those are
definitely filler episodes. Uh, this is definitely one of the
better ones to watch because it doesn't have all those.
It's more of a classic to me, a classic anime
where it doesn't have those, Like I love Dragon ball Z.
Don't get me wrong, but there are tons of filler episodes,

(22:38):
like when Goku and vegeta go get driver's licenses, that's
not needed. They both can fly and at one point,
Goku can teleport because he's so fast, so like don't
need driver's licenses, and they both can carry lots of weight,
so it's not like they need a car to go

(22:59):
get groceries right anyhow, Uh, it's just you know, it's
a it's a good time. But like I like those
old one the older style animes where they didn't have
the filler episodes. Yeah, Arto is one of the worst.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I haven't watching the R two Routo in a while,
so I don't remember that, but yeah, you're right, Dragon
Ball is.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
To me, dragon Ball is one of the worst because
even when they have action scenes, it's literally like anyway.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
We're gonna cut away and we're gonna do this whole
other thing.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
And while Goku is powering up for three episodes and
just screaming.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's like, okay, okay, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I loved things like Cowboy Bebop because Cowboy Bebop was
like its own Each episode was its own thing.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Really, weren't any filler episodes or that with that.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, and they the cool A note about Cowboy Bebop
was it was telling a story, but like it was
this background thing in every episode. You could watch any
episode of Bebop out of out of order, and that
episode is enjoyable. Now, things that happened in a previous

(24:14):
episode might pay off or make something happen in this episode,
but it's not needed to watch that one fully to
understand it, and then obviously it leads to the movie
as the main story for for Spike, being a conclusion
of his story, well or of his original story. But again,

(24:40):
you don't need the movie to enjoy the show, just
the that the movies like the Cherry on Top of
the already immaculate Sunday. It is one of the best
anima shows. I just wish there was it was more,
but I understand why it wasn't more because it told

(25:03):
a story or.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
To tell well.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
It also wasn't very popular when it came out.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Let's be honest, Yeah, because it wasn't It wasn't a
normal anime, but it.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Had a succinct story. At least it told a story.
And then we're done with it. Yeah. I went to
Apple News again, so I don't know what the hell
is going on here.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Let's say, reboot your computer, but you're currently using it.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, right, I didn't even have an update, that's the thing.
Like it. As far as I'm concerned, there was no update.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
So this it's probably a back end thing that it's
trying to do something, download something on the back end
and Apple's News is just having issues.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's also probably because it's older. Whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I'm not even seeing anything here anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
They announced a voice actor for throg Thrag in season
four of Invincible.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Another show that I kind of fell off on after
season two. I think it was or No, when did
Adam Eve's one season two?

Speaker 2 (26:18):
That was after season two?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, it was between season two and three.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's the last thing I watched.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
It's just for some reason I fell off and haven't
watched any of the new stuff yet.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Oh it's Lee paces is doing the voice of of Thrag.
So when Power reveals old Hollywood action star trick he
always uses for filming, don't care, Pokey man. I think

(26:58):
that's all I saw that was of importance to us. Again,
I said, that's what I saw. Doesn't mean that's all
the news. That's all I saw. X Men ninety seven
officially renewed for season three cross season two trailer. That

(27:26):
Mercy trailer is so weird. I don't know if you
watched it, the one I sent with Chris Pratt and uh,
I did not know who wasn't that it's weird because
like this again, stop using it, Joe, It's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I guess just ignore, I'm not going to reopen it,
and I guess not.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
You definitely aren't going to reopen it because every time
you do, he's fucking shut down again.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, is it Rebecca Ferguson, It's you know what I
mean saying it's Rebecca Ferguson right in this movie with
Chris Pratt. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I didn't watch the trailer.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, it's a record for person okay, something about she's
like an AI judge and he's a detective who's in
under interrogation. Uh, because he's under he's in a he's
on a he's in a trial for murder of his wife,
and he has like and the whole thing is that

(28:27):
he has ninety minutes to prove his innocence, but it's
all to an AI judge. I don't know, it's it
looks very strange. I don't I don't know if the
whole movie where most of the movie is him strapped
to this chair in front of this big screen, they

(28:47):
probably flashbacks, I guess. I don't know. I mean there
was some in the trailer, but it just looked very bizarre.
Uh wonder man. Uh, yeah, I don't see much else. Yeah,

(29:22):
my news is being slow too, but I'm gonna it's
you know, obviously, this is I'm using something that's aggregating
a bunch of stories all at once from different places.
So yeah, right, I don't know if that's gonna help
or hurt anything.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Out.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Uh uh hmm, what else, Joe? I read some other stuff.
I don't remember what it was now, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I didn't see anything this week that caught my interest. Really,
I haven't even played any games. Going to power on
my computer yesterday, games like I'm gonna play a game,
and I was like, what game am I gonna play?

Speaker 2 (29:58):
You know what? How about I'll play the the DLC
for control? And the problem with that, though, is.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You have a download control.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
No, not that I played control on my Xbox.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
So the only control I have for my PC because
I got rid of Xbox game passes this week or
the week or last week, I don't remember when it happened,
so I have access to all of the control and
DLC through Steam's Family Share stuff. But then it was like, well,

(30:41):
can I just jump into the DLC because I don't
obviously at that point, I don't have a save and
it's like people are like, No, the DLC doesn't happen
until like two thirds of the way through the game.
I was like an half like that, I'm played two
thirds of the game, just played DLC.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's no cyberpunk even then, I well, yeah, it's no cyberpunk.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
That's the that's the problem is, like if I just
want to jump into the DLC, you couldn't just level
me up to that point.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Let me jump into the DLC. Cyberpunk ry then the Witcher, Oh.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, Witchard did it too. Yeah, you could play those
standalone m.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Which is another one that I thought of doing, but
apparently I don't own those on PC. Yeah, probably like
seven bucks apparently to go buy it and get the
DLC as well.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
But do you have to have the game to get
the DLC though, Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, yeah, at least I know for Hearts of Stone.
Now I've already beat Hearts of Stone. I was just
halfway through, and not halfway through, maybe maybe a quarter
of the way through Blood and Wine. Yeah, but yeah,

(31:59):
I didn't have that either, So it was like, damn,
I didn't have anything to play this past weekend.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Sucker.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, that's been basically the extent of my week besides
just work, work, and watching it rain, watching it almost
flood the street this morning.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, man, rain was wild this morning, dude. That shit
woke me up. Well. I mean I was actually technically
awake when it started, but I was trying to go
back to sleep for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
And the rain hit every night this week.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, the night before last, It's Friday night was fucking wild, dude.
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, just just thunder right on top of surprise, which
really hardly ever happens do.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
We never get We're in that pocket that never gets
sucking hit, and then all of a sudden we just
got fucking trounced the last couple of days.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Yeah, right, so I know that like a couple of
go that that woke me up and kept me up
Jesus Christ. Then yeah, this morning, I think when the
rain started, probably like three or four am, I got
woken up by it. And then just the light thunder
going on just continued all the way in up till
about maybe.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Like seven o'clock or something like that.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, but I was just remembered pick out the front
window and you could see like the water. It's like, okay,
it's four feet away from the curve. Like an hour later,
it's like almost touching. The amount of water that's in
on both sides of the street are just almost like
two feet away from each other from touching. So it's
like a little bit more rain, We're about to flood

(33:39):
the front front of the street.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Up front, Yeah, buddy, So.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
It's kind of nice to get this much rain just
to really soak things and get rid of things. Hopefully
all the ants in this area just drown and die.
I've been dealing with so many ant infestations in this house.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, it's fun. I hate when the rain because it's
like they're like move in doors. I'm like, no, don't
move indoors.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
It was before that, and worst off, they were finding
a way into my my shower and just like that's
where they were coming in from.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
It's just like, no, go away.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I used that, Well you go into Adams bathroom.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah right, I don't use that. Yeah, I ended up
having to use that.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Stupid as bugs bugs yeah, speaking speaking of bugs, speaking
of bugs. All right, So I haven't been able to
tell this the page because it'll terrifire and not in
a good way, like a bad way because she hates scorpions.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Oh, so.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Lucky. It wasn't near the house it was, so this
was in Cave Creek area, It wasn't And this happened.
Was it last week or week before when it's super
windy week before? It was last week? Try to remember
when I was there? Oh no, it was because I
was in Tucson last week week before anyway. So I'm
with the new guy and we're we're running jobs, right,

(35:05):
and it's windy as shit. So we come out of
the customer's house. Normally, like we'd i'd like bed sit
outside when it's not fucking boiling outside. We'd sit outside
the van talking while I'm doing paperwork and stuff like that,
getting ready call the next client. But it's windy as shit.
So I was like, I'm just gonna get inside the van.
So we get in the van. We're sitting there and
I have the van on because we're getting ready to go.

(35:27):
Don't on the radio watering yet. We're talking and I'm
typing and I hear dunk dunk, and I was like,
what the fuck hit the van?

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Right, So I get out. I'm like, what the fuck.
I'm looking around at of course is windy, is something
like a branch fall off a fucking tree and just
smack my van, right, I don't want to break anything,
So I'm looking around. There's like I don't see anything,
and I hear like a noise. I'm like, that's stuck
on the fucking roof. Like this must be a branch
is on the roof because I can hear like it
like scheduling or like you know, pushing across. And as

(35:54):
I get ready to open the back door to try
to like or to side door, try to like stand
on something to look on the roof because the van's
way too fucking tall, a fucking scorpion comes off the
side of the fucking roof and I was like, God,
what the hell? And then then the second one comes off,
and I was like, oh, they just rain scorpions. What
the fuck. Well, it turns out the new guy that's

(36:15):
what was with me. He tells me that apparently scorpions
love palm trees, but they don't have a way to
hold on. Yeah, so when it gets windy, they just
get yeaded out of the trees, so it can rain
fucking scorpions on you.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, Arizona.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
So I just jumped in the van and drove away
because I'm like, clearly these trees to fucking scorpions in
him in this house, So I'm gonna leave this area
because I don't want so. Then I'm like when I'm
opening the van door later, I'm like, I opened it
and I leaned back. I was like, don't fucking no, no,
no scorpions falling on me. Like right, but no more

(36:55):
scorpions after that. But yeah, So apparently scorpions like palm trees,
but they can't unlike a lot of insects where they
have like the little wait whatever that fucking thing is
to be able to hold onto like things easily, they
don't have those, so they just fall.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, And I will admit that I didn't know this
type of thing.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was actually at work and talking to somebody about
something similar and they were mentioning that, and I was like, well,
how do they fuck They get up on top of
walls and on ceilings and then just suddenly like nope,
I forgot, I don't have the ability to do this
and just fall off. And it's just like, yeah, apparently
they're just not great at holding onto stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
And it's like, well, that's.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Awesome, Yeah, because I know, like when you like, some
people will say they like, unlike a lot of bugs,
you can vacuum them up, like if you have a
shot back, you can vacuum off a wall or whatever,
because they just can't hold on very well, and certain
like walls, they just can't hold on at all, so
like they fall off as they're going. But like, obviously

(38:01):
palm tree is like lots of little grooves. They can
probably get their little fucking mandibles in and ship and
crawl up, but when they're in the fronds, apparently there's
nothing to hold on too. So if the wind's too strong,
it's fucking rain scorpions. And I was like, well, fucking
I hate palm trees in general because they're shitty fucking trees.
Yeah right, but now they can be fucking filled with scorpions.

(38:22):
I was like, I'm so glad, like I live in
a place with no palm trees. Yeah, I like in
an area don't have palm trees. But also like we
don't really have scorpions out here in this area knock
on wood years. Yeah, so like we're because we're like,
i know, like the scorpions mostly mainly are like in
like the moral the more ruralish areas where us like

(38:44):
civilized people with paved roads and no dirt anywhere, like
we just don't have. I'm sure they're somewhere, but like
they're not as prevalent because I'm pretty sure it's supposed
to be like the hilly areas, like the more rocky
areas that have scorpions, where like we live in the flat.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
I've seen them in the in the the mountains, yeah,
on hikes.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah, so what I mean like in the mountainous areas,
but not so much like in the flat areas where
we live. Because like another horror story of scorpions. We
were working on leaves refrigerator and the ice maker stopped working.
So we did all the tests and sure enough it
wasn't working, so we replaced it. Come next day, she say, hey,
it's not making ice. Can come check it. So I

(39:24):
come check it and she's like, oh, and by the way,
the water stopped working. And I was like, okay, well
that's a that's a problem in its own right. So
now as we pull the refrigerator out and you know,
like when you have I don't know where how if
you guys have water on your refrigerator or not, but
behind the water behind the refrigerator a lot of times
if it has water already run to there. There's a

(39:44):
little box that's cut into the wall that has the
water valve in it, right, So this lady has that,
but she has a water line. There's a valve and
there's a water line coming out of the top of
it that's run from her different source because she has
a reverse osmosis thing. So they just ran different lines
versus tying it in because the one that's there probably
runs directly from the water heater or the main water

(40:06):
like water heater, but the main water line. So I
noticed that the panel part was coming loose, and I
was like, that's weird. So I got to push it
back and like a like a little tiny dead scorpion
falls out. I was like, well, that's not great. So
I was like, hey, lady, uh, do you like a

(40:28):
scorpion problem. She's like, yeah, I have a It's really
bad in this area. So I have my exterminator come
out like every other month. It's like, you know, kill him.
And I was like, first off, move if you have
a need for your your you have a exterminator. Like,
you don't say I called the exterminator. I was like,
I call my exterminator. I'm like, first off, he has
to come out, or every other month move you're in

(40:51):
a very bad place, or stop being a fucking bug queen.
I'm not too sure which one it is. So I
was like, well, you might also want to call a
plumber because the panel on back here is loose. She's like,
oh yeah, the like I'm pretty sure. The terminator he
like he had to extreminator terminator, extreminator had to like, uh,

(41:11):
there was like a nest in there. I was like, okay,
I'm cool, I'm leaving this area now. And so I
go to push the thing back and like it doesn't
go in and it falls forward and just a bunch
of dead scorpions fall out, and I was like, you
might want to call him again. And I was like,
we pushed the refrigerator back on, like I'm out. I'm not,
I'm not, I'm not even gonna nope. Ah. She's like,

(41:35):
why do we need a plumber. I was like, well,
because your water line's bad. But I think it's might
because the scorpions are in the wall and I don't
know if that's causing a problem. But I can't fixture
your ro I can only fix your refrigerator, and the
refrigerator seems fine, you just don't have water. Yeah, so
uh plumber. It is also burn this house to the
ground because if they're in your walls, that's their house now,

(42:01):
Yeah right, because I guarantee there's more of them than you.
M god right, the worst dude, the worst God.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I would never want anything like that.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
But then again, I had to answer throughout the throughout
the walls, at least in the bathroom, coming out through
the walls.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So I'll take that over fucking scorpions.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah yeah, answer contained to one area in my bath,
in my shower.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah yeah, fuck that nonsense scorpions.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
No thanks, never want a deal with score.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
Mmmm yeah. So waiting to tell you guys about the
scorpion tree story, but I haven't. Obviously, I didn't want
to do it in page around because she's gonna lose
her mind and she doesn't listen to the podcast, so
it's fine. But yeah, so I was like, I don't.
I was so excited, like, oh, I'm gonna tell, and

(42:59):
then I was like, oh, no, I can't tell. Joe
when we're hanging out, because then Page will hear it,
and she'll never trust a palm tree in the rest
of her life, and now will make my life fucking terrible.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I wouldn't trust a palm tree either at that point.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I mean, I definitely do not want to trust a
palm tree, but even more so now than before. What
do you mean it can rain scorpions?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Why do you have these? They're useless? They don't they
don't give you shade, they're not producing any viable fruit. Nope,
they're just using up your water and shipping off fucking
those shitty, thorny, fucking palm fronds or whatever when they
go to die, and you probably have to have it
trimmed all the time, because again they're shitty trees. Yep,

(43:51):
they shouldn't be called trees. They should be just called
palms and calling that's all they are. Don't give them
the tree moniker.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, good enough.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, you're just a shitty tall bush all right? Oh no,
does that mean they can be in those weird palm
bushes too?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Probably?

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Oh my god, I hate this place.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, but at least they wouldn't fall on you because
they're just too small. And you can just stay away
from the bush.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That's true. They're not raining down from it when they're Ugh,
oh my god. That one lady's house. I don't think
I ever have to go back there again, hopefully not
as a lady. And I don't know if it's technically
Scottsdale or if it's Phoenix, but her they have a
really long driveway and the whole thing is lined by

(44:39):
palm trees. There's like fifty of them. It's actually like.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Keeps, you know, sprayed. Probably don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Scott still seems far enough into the city that you
probably don't have to worry about scorpions.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
No, that's part of Scott's though, that you would not
believe where they're at.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Joe, Oh, I mean, yeah, there are some outer outer
limits of Scottsdale. I'm hoping that it's on the inner
limits of Scottsdale.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
No, they're there, this lady is. I think. I don't
know if that's considered Phoenix because it is north west
of there, so my technically Phoenix. M what Oh Ryan
can worry about that because that's his area.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Right, I'm trying to think of anything else. Have you
started reading the the new Dan Brown book.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
No, I haven't. I haven't lined up. I'm tredging my
way through this fucking stupid ass stand book. So it
I was really hoping the next part would be like
during the events of the Stand, like the part between

(45:55):
Remember what I was telling you before. The first part
was all like during the out break, second part was
like everyone's dead. These are survivors, what they're doing, and
they're making a way to either Nebraska slash Colorado or Vegas.
So logically, the next step you would think would be

(46:17):
during that time, right, it wasn't. It jumps into I
think the first story is like a year after the
nuke goes off in Vegas, Okay, and then one of
them jumps thirty years in the future, and I'm like,
I don't care about any of this. Yeah, And so

(46:39):
I'm like I'm at this point, I'm like really close
to just not finishing the book, and I still have
let's see here, five ish hours left. Oh no, sorry,
it's at three hours. I forgot. I was listening to
the More yesterday.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I mean, that's not too bad listening to it, so
it helps it. It's not like you're reading through it. Yeah,
and getting bored and falling asleep while you've only passed
through like two or three pages.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, oh god, why.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
Yeah, I'm gonna I am a couple of hours into
like one or two hours into a Secret of Secrets
and it's not bad so far.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah yeah, so' is that? And the next and the
Joe Hill book are King Sorrow are the next two
that I have lined up. Okay, so we'll see if
I finish this fucking standbook or not.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's just not it's not holding your attention.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I hate when books do that, and it usually.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Turns me off of reading for a while because I
just lose so much interest in it in it, and
you know, you know, it'll be a couple of months
before I finally decide to pick up a book, and
suddenly this book that I've picked up is like really good,
getting me back into things that oddly enough, like King Solomon. Mind,
like before that I kind of really wasn't reading. And

(48:09):
then I just decided to pick that up because it
seemed like an action venture book that might be easy
to read. So far it has been. It's pretty good.
And then listening to Secret of Secrets, I don't know
where I stand on it right now, because I really enjoyed,
like the first couple of books of the da Vinci
Code series, and it's kind of, I think because it

(48:30):
focused more around like the ancient side of things, yeah,
conspiracy theories, where the last couple of his books have
been on the more new age technological side of things,
and that's where this book so far falls. And I'm like,
it's good enough to see where it's going, but it
still just doesn't feel like the original Da Vinci Code

(48:52):
books to me, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, the first handful of Da Vinci Code books or
Robert Langdon books were very Indiana jonesy in a way, yeah, exactly,
where like there was the one about the virus, Yeah,
and that was like on the border because I had
a lot to do with the with Dante's Inferno and
like whole, like the whole like investigating that stuff. I

(49:15):
did like to twist the end with the fact that
he was chasing literally a ghost, and then the one
origin was more AI based again weirdly enough, chasing after
a ghost, but this time he knew it was a
ghost because like the dude that was supposed to be
alive again, was he witnessed dying, so like he like, wow,

(49:39):
is this possible? And then it turns out it's a
I so like, right, and that's the last two? Were
those ones? Right?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Because that was Origins and uh uh Inferno? Right, And
I think that's it the last, the last there is.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
I feel like there is one book that I'm missing,
because yeah, we actually have the da Vinci code Angels
and Demons, Origins.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Inferno.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I actually I think those two were swapped because it
actually goes to Vinch code Angels and Demons, but.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I think I'm missing the symbol. The lost symbol is
the one I'm missing.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
In there, and then Inferno and then Origins, yeah, and
then obviously Secret of Secrets here. But yeah, so that
it seems to be so far leaning more towards that
that technological side of things so far.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
But like I said, it's it's really early into the book,
so we'll see where where it goes.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
He wrote a children's book that I didn't know what
the in twenty twenty, Wild Symphony. What the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I didn't know that?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Huh? Weird because the only other book I read by
him was Digital Fortress.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Which was his book that he did before he started
the Robert Langton series. Yeah, it was one of two books.
I think there was one more book he did before.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
The no, so it was Digital Fortress in ninety eight,
and then he wrote Angels and Demons and then he
wrote Deception Point. Oh, Deception Point was okay, was technically
after after? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Fair?

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Is that the one about the the.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Is angel Demons? Actually the first one? I thought it was.
The DaVinci Code was the first one.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Angels and Demons a prequel? No, okay, Angels and Demons
was the first book, but the first movie was da
Vinci Code because it has a fancier title, and Hollywood
tends to not make anything with angels and demons in
the title.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
It's too generic.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, but also like to established the character and once
to establish everything.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Okay, is the sception Point about the virus or is
about bugs? I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I never read Deception Point. It's not from a the
Robert Langent series.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
It's the one with the bugs. Okay, I like said,
I didn't read it, but I read about it. And
then Digital Fortress is the one about the NSA computer
right that sounds right? Yeah? Yeah, okay, yes, yes, Okay,

(52:18):
it's been it's been a while since I read that,
because I read that one after I read because I wrote, Actually,
I think I might have read the same order, because
I wrote I read Da Vinci Code first because of
the movie, because of the movie, and.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Then Angels and Demons, which is why I swear.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
That it was a pre cool book, which technically, if
you read in that order, is a prequel book.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Joe, it is, but like I didn't know it was
written in the chronological order. I thought it was a Hey,
this actually they took off. Let's let's write a pretty
quel for some reason, he.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Lee, Child's it exactly, order your order, I'll do whatever
I want. This one takes place seven years before that one.
This one takes place during the same time as this book,
but also the bulk of the story takes place in
the past. Mm hmm how many years? I don't know.
Because Jack Reacher is this.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Old, Tom Clancy was known due to that too.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Tom Clancer is also known for killing off characters that
he reused. M hm, well, isn't that guy dead? This
takes place before that. H Okay, didn't you just refer
to this happening? Yeah, but that's not now, what's I'm
so confused. That also might be because half those books

(53:39):
aren't even written by him at this time.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
No, yeah, yeah, when it crossed over into Jack Ryan Junior,
I think it's by that time he had passed away,
so it's someone else now writing under the under the
Tom Clancy's name.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Under that thing. Yeah, because I'm pretty sure I read
the da Vinci Code because of the movie they I
went back and read Angels and Demons, and then obviously
later on when the Lost Symbol came out or yeah,
the Lost Symbol came out, I read that, and then
I read Inferno. That was just yeah, so I think

(54:21):
it was the only though I swapped one and two,
but I knew it wasn't a prequel. I knew I
was just reading it after the fact. I think somewhere after,
I think I read Digital Fortress after Angels and Demons.
I think I read DaVinci Code the Angel and Demons
and then Digital Fortress because like, oh, what else has

(54:42):
he written? And then I read it and I was like,
there's a reason there's only one of these. It's not bad,
but it's not as good as the Langden books because
like the Langdon books. Robert Langdon is the reason you
read these books because it's a very good character. Because
he's he's not perfect. He's kind of almost in a

(55:05):
way sometimes funck shuit up. M uh but like obviously
like he's super smart, so like he doesn't this fucking
do dumb shit, but he just gets a little too
excited about things.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
He got a little excited in the beginning of this book.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh yeah, sweet yeah. Did he almost die into or
get fucking catatonic at one point, because that was, Oh
my god, dude, this poor he's gonna his heart's gonna explode.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Oh yeah, he like it was probably like chapter three.
Uh no, it was probably like chapter four by the time,
like he almost.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Died already because it was inferno. He got blown up, right, Yeah,
I think so an origin he got auxygen deprived.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
I think he was in one of the when they
were chasing after the computer program. He was in one
of the little mausoleum things and they like the AI
shut the air off.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Oh was that I don't remember now.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I was thinking one of those sifts the special location
that you're only allowed to read documents. Is that from
that book or No, that's that's not from that.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
That's a that's a Brad Meltzer book there read okay
around the same time. That didn't happen, But those gifts
are in that.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
Yeah, yeah, those are real things that happen.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Yeah, so yeah, he's had some. And then he had
the one in was it Da Vinci Code no lost
Symbol where he almost drowned or is it lost symbol?
Was the elevator thing again because he doesn't like elevators.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, he doesn't like elevators.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
I honestly don't remember a while. It's been a long
time for a lot of these books, and just because
of well, I don't remember his almost deaths in really
any of these books. But at the same time, if
you're trying to piece them together, it's like some of
these things could be from any of these books.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's funny. Well, last thing I'll
say before we wrap it up about this, Like, while
reading this, uh end of the World as we know it,
stories from Stephen King's The Stand or whatever it's fucking
called longest title ever for fucking no reason, it makes
me want to go back and read The Stand. But

(57:32):
then again, it's like also, like I just don't want
to read this book anymore, Like not the stand but
this the stories?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Why gotcha?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Like, I'm trying to think if there's any books that
I have have never finished because of that.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I think I've finished the only book I've never finished
because it's hard to fucking read all the way through.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
It's s oh no, I eventually finished that.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah, event you say eventually. It's so fucking hard to
read because I know you're supposed to do it in
like two phases. You're supposed to read the book book
by itself, and then go back and read.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
The secondary of the secondary story. Yeah, and then go
back another color of the secondary story.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
And one of those secondary colors you're not supposed to
read all the way through. You're there's an instruction to
go back and read the other color and to a
certain point, then go back to the I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Just think you forget about the wheel that's in there.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah, dude, oh my god, because then you like there's
things like it says, hey, don't do this yet, because
like I'm like, oh my god, there's so many fucking
rules of this. Can someone just make a YouTube video
and tell me what's fucking happening.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I'm sure there is actually a YouTube video.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
I've never actually searched for that to see if somebody
has explained the plot of s.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Because the Ship of Theseus, that story is interesting because
it's like a whole moral thing and like this does
like blah blah blah. Right, and it's like this dude
who's like just wants to go home, but like he
doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Memory, he's lost his memories, yeah, the book, and he
doesn't know what's going on. He ends up with like
a pirate crew at one and there's a god, what
was there something about because it takes place during the
time of like a Banana republics type thing where dictators
on an island or something like that, and he helps
he he gets in with a revolutionary group there that

(59:34):
overthrows the government there. But then there's a whole other
thing about him trying to remember his his past. Yeah,
like the story itself was.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Yeah, like that, Like that story is Ship the Theseus
because it's again it's based on the whole premise of
if you replace every piece on a boat, is it
originally the boat? Is it the same boat, it's a
whole thing. But then yeah, but then like that also
equates to him because he doesn't have his memories and
as he's piecing together, he's actually becoming a different person

(01:00:07):
because he finds out that his old personality was a
fucking terrible human being he thinks. But because it does again,
doesn't remember any of it, so like is he the
same person? Blah blah blah. Right, so like there's this algorithm,
the thing goes back and forth. Right, But then there's
like the subtext of the other story in it, where
like somebody's trying to stop the the one person from

(01:00:30):
figuring out this mystery that has to do with this
book that doesn't doesn't actually exist in the library, but
is there, you know, And it's like, what the fuck
is happening in this fucking story And does it have
to do with the ship of theseus or is that
just the red herring or the mcguffin thing, Like it's

(01:00:51):
a good story by itself, but we're using that to
tell this other mystery story or murder mystery story. And
is the first person alive? Are they dead already? It
was even a person? It's bro, dude, I was like
I'm fucking dumb with this book because I can't. I
can't follow along because I have to read it. Like
I get distracted because you see something in the page, like, oh,

(01:01:13):
what's you read this? And all of a sudden you're
reading like this big ass fucking thing in the whole
margin of a book of a page.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
You're like, well, that's the thing, Like I remember reading
through it. I specifically told myself I would read the
page of the story, read any cliff notes at the
bottom that explained whatever in the story, and then go
back through the Uh do that for basically you know,

(01:01:44):
the back page, in front page of the next page,
and then go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Through and read the margins.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, yeah, but you're right, Like, first off, there are
margins in there that are written in like unquote pencil,
and those margins were more of like because the person
who originally wrote the Ship of Theseiast's story was like
a philosopher, and so you have the like pencils that

(01:02:18):
are talking about what what could be meant in this
story by this philosopher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
So you get this not not like any other side story.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
You just get a person's interpretation of what is meant
in the story on the on this page and what
is meant by what they wrote. Then you get a
certain different color where it ends up being the quote
unquote main character that we're following through. Yeah, you get
it right there, that ends up borrowing the book and

(01:02:51):
start and starting to enter in his own theories of
what the person means. But as he's borrowing the book,
at the same time, someone else is borrowing the book
and then writing their own replies to that person and
their interpretations. So it becomes this quasi like love story

(01:03:13):
in the margins of this book. And at the same time,
once you hit a certain part of the book, the
colors of the notes change to indicate that someone else
is writing, or that some other time has passed through
that this person has like started rereading the book. But
you also get this hint of other things happening in

(01:03:35):
the background with regards to I think not only that
who was the real author of the book, but whether
or not that person is still alive. Kind of conspiracy
theory going on. Yeah, and that one of the professors
of the college that this book sits at is somehow

(01:03:56):
trying to impede these people from doing something that I
don't fully remember. With it, so there's like like so
many layers of story going on at once. And then
again you get into the fact that this book comes
with other accouterments such as the decoding wheel and pictures
and other photo like other postcards and this and that

(01:04:19):
that are also things that you read. So again, like
would start I would start off with you could very
well have a page where you're like, I am reading
the main story, I'm reading the cliff notes of the story,
I am reading all of the things that are in
the the margins margins, thank you of it. But then

(01:04:39):
I'm also reading a postcard that happened to have that
put at this page in the story because it must
mean something at this point in some story going on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah, And it's like you don't want to misplace that
piece because it has to do with that page. But
if it doesn't have to do with like the story
part you're reading, then you don't want it to be
in your way. And then like it's just there's so much, dude.
It's like when I first when we first read about
this like years ago, it sounded so cool and I
started reading it, I was like, I don't I can't

(01:05:13):
do this. I don't know how to read this book properly.
M like, so if you're I need to find a
YouTube video someone explaining to me what the fuck's going on,
or a YouTube video explaining how to read this book properly.
And I don't think that second one's gonna help any
because then I have to start rereading the whole thing,
and that's just not gonna fucking happen, I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
It's a cool concept that it was a weird thing, like,
but like it's just too much. And I was like,
I'm I'm I'm done. I can't. I can't do it.
I'm not smart enough or something or whatever happens to
be that causes me not be able to do this.
I don't like it, and I I make it just.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Honestly, and that I don't mean that in like an
inability to focus on one thing. It's just the problem
of the book of like, especially from my case, which
is I don't I don't want to read through a
book and then have to read read through that book
just to understand other story other parts of the book
once I get through it. Much like how I played
video games, I played through it and I'm done. I'm

(01:06:13):
not going back through it. It doesn't matter how much
of my favorite this or that it is. I have
experienced this game, I have done with it. So that's
my That was my take on the book. And event
like you said, eventually I just picked picked out it,
picked out and picked at it. Like granted I would,

(01:06:34):
it would probably be years in between rereading it, so
there were some things that I couldn't quite remember, but
I was just like, I'm just going to get through
it and finish this thing. And finally I did. It
was probably like five or six years ago that I
finally finished it. But yeah, yeah, it was a it

(01:06:55):
was a tough read. Do you even know how far
you were into it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I don't even know where I left on because I'm
pretty sure I took my actual bookmark out of it, damn,
and because it's back in the slipcase, so I know
I didn't leave a bookmark in there. It's hard to
tell because who what the fuck? How do I know
it's not a bookmark in there?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
No, again, like you, you pulled that out and I
could see like a giant, like you know, hole in
the book. But it's like that's probably some note towards
something that was in the book itself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, I was same with this the last thing I'll
bring up before we part ways. I was thinking like
because like they're like all these adaptations or whatever, right,
and I was like, man, you know what book? Comic book?
Uh slash, I guess short story I want someone to make,
and like it's gonna be fucked up? Is this? Okay? Backwards?

(01:07:54):
I forgot Joe Hill's The Cape?

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Oh the Cape?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Okay, Well, like when you held it up up that
part of it was also covered up by me in
the right or right hand corner.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Okay, So it was like, it looks like a Joe
Hill book, but I couldn't. Okay, yeah, I see it
now at the Cape. Well, that's already been technically attempted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
Yeah. Wasn't there a story that was that was done
on like TV that was almost technically the Cape.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
No, there was a show called the well, actually it's
two shows called The Cape. Yeah, but it had nothing
to do with this. Yeah, there's actually two. So what's weird.
I didn't know this. I was looking this up yesterday. Yeah, yesterday.
There's a show called The Cape that was in ninety eight,

(01:08:46):
which is actually based in Cape Canaveral that has to
do with astronauts and ship. Then there's the Phil the
shitty one season our one season show called The Cape
on NBC like that about a detective who he owes

(01:09:08):
to work for this corporation called ARC, who wants the
privatized police force. And then there's this which is about
a magic cape.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Sort of wal it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
And it has its own prequel called The Cape nineteen
sixty nine, which is the origin of The Cape itself.
But then there's The Cape, which is fucked up. So
that same about the other day yesterday and again this today,
And I was like, because I saw Joe Hill at
New York Comic Con signing his new book and talking

(01:09:47):
to George R. R. Martin and other people and made
me think, you know what I want. I want The Cape.
I want someone to do a lot mini series based
on on the Cape so people can be like, well,
that's fucked up. I'm like, yeah, because life ain't fucking

(01:10:08):
pretty all the time. Boys and girls not all the time. Okay, Okay,
I think that's it. That's all I got. Cool. That's
been this week's episode of Comes Naturally. We have been
I've been Cody and as usual. You fuckers just came naturally.
I