December 5, 2025 • 65 mins
This week's episode kicks off with an engaging discussion centered around the highly anticipated first three episodes of Stranger Things Season 5. The hosts delve into the intricate plot developments, character arcs, and the nostalgic references that have become a hallmark of the series. They explore how the creators have managed to weave together suspense and emotional depth, while also introducing new elements that keep both long-time fans and newcomers captivated. Listeners can expect insights into the evolution of beloved characters, the darker themes that emerge, and the ways in which the setting continues to play a crucial role in the unfolding narrative. As the conversation progresses, they also touch on fan theories and speculations regarding where the story might lead in the upcoming episodes, fostering an interactive dialogue that encourages audience participation. To wrap up this captivating episode, Cody shifts the focus to his recent cinematic experience of watching Zootopia 2. He shares his thoughts on the sequel, discussing its themes, character development, and how it compares to the original film. Cody reflects on the animation quality, the humor that resonates with both children and adults, and the social messages that are cleverly woven into the storyline. He highlights standout moments and characters that left a lasting impression, while also pondering the impact of the film on audiences and its potential to spark discussions about important issues. This segment not only provides a comprehensive review of Zootopia 2 but also invites listeners to consider their own perspectives on the film and its relevance in today's society.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I thought I was going to miss you there for
a second.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Why it just seemed like I was ringing a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Maybe and you're a side, That's what I'm saying. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who knows with your old ass laptop?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I know, right, who knows?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't know the shadow shadows?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh yeah, okay, good?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Sorry, No, no, I don't accept.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It, okay, yanks, Yeah right, I don't know what to
say indoor.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Do you know.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm just gonna have to take it. Oh, I don't know.
I don't know how this works.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You're gonna have to take it or not. It's more
like you're gonna have to take it or not.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh, it's very much, so a you problem.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's fair. Uh yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So what's up buddy?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Not much? You know, had a good Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, eat lots of food.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I've been shooting yesterday. That was about it. What's up
with you?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Nothing, enjoying my long weekend? Nice nice, which unfortunately ends tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Or all its ends today. It's the last day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it works tomorrow. So yeah, don't we all back
to normal work?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well normally I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well yeah, true, but that's so good. I bet that's
going to feel weird for you. I know, yesterday or
the day before felt weird to me because obviously having
a Thanksgiving day off, and then it was just like,
oh it felt like a Saturday, tomorrow's Sunday. Oh, no,
tomorrow's Friday. I have to go back to work. The
(02:25):
Laine which whatever, went back to work. There was hardly
anybody at work. We hardly got anything in and so
literally I spent half a day finishing up a couple
of repairs and then just junking out a shit ton
of crackscreen monitors and then nothing because for the last
(02:49):
like hour or so out like two three hours, there
was no one on the depot side, just me, no managers,
know anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Just party time brother pretty much, yeah, stripped down naked,
dance around.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I could. They don't want to get fired fired. I
don't like this job, but I don't want to get
fired from this job. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Plus I don't want to end up on like YouTube
or something in that case. In that sense, I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Was like, uh, a lot of people want to end
up on YouTube, but I guess not really.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I mean, I am on YouTube, but.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's true for different reasons, not for Dick waggling at work.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh, there went to Apple News. Okay, buy app. I
didn't have anything saved.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There anyway, there went Apple News.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Bye, it hasn't even popped up up there. It is
the h if I want to, you know, the app?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I just ignore it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I didn't even say anything this past week either far
as I'm aware. It was just kind of a slow week.
Although although although.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Stranger Things released the first four episodes.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
First four episodes, Part one, season.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Part one.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, so very very schedule.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Watching the first two episodes, did you watch any of them?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I watched the first three. We're gonna watch the fourth
one today.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, Uh, what's your impression of it so far?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well after the first So we watched the first episode Wednesday, No,
Wednesday night. When did it come out? Come out Wednesday
or Thursday?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Came out Wednesday because I think I remember Taj texting
that it will be out Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Then I'm like, oh, I have Thursday off.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I'll be able to watch a couple of episodes before
going over to my parents' house for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, what's today the thirtieth?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, so it wasn't It wasn't Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, who watched the first episode Wednesday night, and I enjoyed.
I've enjoyed all three episodes that I've watched quite a bit.
The second and third episode. Well, you haven't watched third episode.
I'm not gonna spoil anything for you. There's a new
not a character. Well, I guess the returning character. You
(05:40):
could say in the third episode. Okay, anyways, when you
get there, you understand. But uh, the first episode, watched
first two episodes just gave so many more questions and
not a whole lot of answers to anything. Like they
(06:00):
kind of explained, like what's been happening since the end
of episode or season four? The city, the town of
Hawkins is isolated, right, bl blah blah blah, And it's like,
what have they been up to? And then you turn
it turns out they've been like making this like, uh,
it's funny because like there's references to stuff that like
(06:22):
Page doesn't understand. I imagine the fact that like eleven
is just like Josh Brolin's character from Goony's Oh.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I didn't catch that, but now that you mentioned it,
absolutely yeah, I did get. I did get a wolverine
vibe from them as they were preparing to.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, the whole Red Dawn setup is definitely happening
in there. Obviously they're still saying true to the Boys,
kind of being obsessed with D and D and like,
you know, obviously going through there's a new reference. I
(07:00):
think it's new to this, to the to the show.
But A Wrinkling Time, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I haven't seen it before. And literally the first scene
I picked up right on it. I was like, well,
I know that book. I haven't read it. I know
that book cover to look it up, and it's like, okay,
it's a Wrinkling Time.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then reading the Wikipedia.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like short little description of it, I'm like, oh my god,
this reads like Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's like a group of kids blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Man, you know, fantastical thing. I'm like, yeah, this literally
reads like Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, So and then page made the realization that Vecna
is very Freddy Krueger like, and I was like, well,
that would make sense since they are the Duffers are
roughly my age and they grew up watching the same
nonsense I did. So yeah, I guarantee you that's a
(07:56):
direct reference to Freddy Krueger. Even more so with oh wait, no,
that's all. It doesn't matter when you find out in
the third episode that VECNA is targeting multiple children.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, so that's the.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Second they've really just shown Holly.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But yeah, so slight spoilert for episode three is there's
more children uh involved in it. Ultimately, we don't really
know why, but we kind of know why because of
what Vecna is.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But we again, we don't know the specifics of why.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Kids but other than the fact that maybe doing bad things.
But yeah, I I really enjoyed the first one. The
first episode quite a bit. The opening scene with the
face replacement for young Will and the kind of getting
to see him and how he survived in the under
(09:08):
the upside Down was pretty pretty rad. And when you
realize that the soldiers have a base set up in
the upside Down and are like living in there, like
patrolling all the time, you're like, that's gnarly. But but
(09:28):
then I was like, because like there, I was like,
but how are they not just getting dismantled all the
time by the creatures there? And then you find out
episode two that because they explained the crawl finally, well
more of it in the because they do talk about
in the first episode because they're setting up for the
(09:49):
crawl in the first episode, and you find out I
think it's actually that might the detail I'm talking about
might be in episode one, but you see it more
in episode two, and you realize that, like Vecna's disappearance
has basically pulled all the creatures away, like they don't
(10:09):
they don't show up there because like, obviously he commands them.
I don't know if he controls them or or makes them.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Kind of explain that he controls them.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, so obviously they they're with him being defeated, you know,
no body, no proof or whatever. Obviously they're still looking
for his body Michael Myles Meyers style, because he does
fall out of an upper upper bedroom window on fire
and then gets shot a bunch.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But uh, in the trying not to trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If I'm in a no not, because it doesn't confirm
it in the third episode, but I uh, leading up
to it, I was like, oh, I know why Eleven
can't find Vecna.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I mean, it's kind of hinted that that he's probably
at the end of episode two, you see that. I
basically called it the giant Jello mold because it looked
like straight out of Ghostbusters, that it's just a giant
thing that's covering something or a walled around something. So
I imagine that he's just constructed some sort of barrier
(11:27):
like that that she just.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Can't see through.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't know yet because I haven't watched the fourth episode,
which is an hour.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What's the length? It's an hour and like a half.
I think I want to say, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Soon, pull it back up.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Stronger things. Episodes Season five an hour and twenty six minutes,
and the next so just to warn you, Joe, episodes
four through eight, So four, five, six, seven, and eight
are all over an hour long. Yeah, they just get
longer as we go. So there's an hour and twenty
(12:11):
six hour forty three on our forty one I guess
would be the sixth episodes of two minutes less than
Chapter five. Then Chapter seven in Chapter eight are both
almost two hours long. So like literally the last four
episodes are five movie or last five episodes or five movies,
(12:33):
all running together and probably answering some questions and probably.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Answering a ton of questions, hopefully, you know, just tying everything.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Up with a nice bow.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean at least.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It plays into the thing that we talked about before,
where you give the creators enough time to you know, tell.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The story hopefully.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, because realistically they're going to release this in like
an eight to ten episode you know things, So you know,
they have to chop it up if you have, like
I don't even know how many hours of content that
would be, but it's a lot. And so if you're
gonna do that in eight episodes, you have to chop
it up in some way. You're not gonna be you know,
the one season that's like thirty two one hour.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Episodes or whatever it would be.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, so I understand it, and going off on more
of a ending the season on more of a movie
is relatively okay with me. It just means that I
have to Well, there's also the fact that because I
know I've I've complained about that before too long of episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It has bitten me in the ass. This is the
this is the final season two, Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, so we're done after this, So I can understand
one mass urrah And yeah, so I'm relatively okay with it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, we seed to pour all of it into it
so we can get everything done done and hopefully done
in a very good way, which the Duffers have come
out and said they have, so like, that's awesome. But
we'll we'll, you know, obviously we'll have to wait and
see because the next.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Three episodes, Oh really, did they not split it into two?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, it's it's in three parts. Let's see if I
can see the release dates on here. I'm pretty sure
it can.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh yeah, So the next three episodes drop on Christmas Day,
and then a week later, on New Year's Eve, we
get the final chapter.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It's a little weird, but okay, I guess it could.
That's the only thing is, I'm not sure what when
does this take place? I know in episode one or
two they mentioned that they when they re it was
episode one when they rewound back to Will getting capped
getting taken to the underground face hugger.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That was no, remember.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Twelve, November third, because that's the dumber third.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of whatever year that was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So they made mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
In present quote unquote present day it is around that time.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It was some it was some days away from.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
That, oh, November six, because the episode they're talking about
is November thirds. It's three days before the anniversary will
be disappearing. I think they said it's five years.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Is it five years from whatever? Nineteen? What year was that?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Eight? I want to say it's eighty three.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, well, yes, that's right, eighty three, Because now I
remember making the comment I was only two months old,
Yeah that I was two months old when when the
first when Will got captured. So eighty three plus five,
so eighty seven is when this takes place. I also
I was kind of doing the math of that too,
(15:57):
because what I found as a little bit I don't
know if this is an easter egg, but it was
just another feeling that I got.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
The military.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You go from what looked like relatively I would say,
period accurate military uniforms two in this season, something that
looks straight out of Stargate. The way they're dressed, solid greens,
the black vests, the patch on the side. I looked
(16:28):
at that and I was like, that looks like just
and just it literally looked like a like a call
out to Stargate. And then think about it. They traveled
through a portal another place. I'm like, this is is
this not an homage to Stargate? Because I wouldn't think
that those military uniforms would be in the eighties look
(16:49):
much like that nineties maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Not eighties.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So I don't know if that's if that's an homage
to Stargate.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What was that dude's name, because the one guy like
the the the let the lead soldier guy, the black hand,
the black guy's.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Name, Yeah, I don't I remember his name, but I
knew who you're talking about yet.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I was gonna say Stevens, but I think that's incorrect. Anyways,
he I still can't pinpoint his outfit of what it
reminds me of.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Right, he has that big, like freaking collar that comes. Yeah,
it seems no purpose, but it's like, all right, I
get the feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I've seen clothing like that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, it's got it there. It has to be a
reference to something. I just don't know what it is.
And I was like trying to think of her right now,
and I don't know if I know exactly what it is.
What I was gonna say is I there was a
(17:57):
theory I had in at the end of that episode
two that was like, I know why Eleven can't sense
or find Vecna in the upside down and when they
the the wall came into existence the guy wall, or
(18:18):
as Page called it, the pimple Wall. Yeah, I was like,
that's that that is that's a trick and I know why,
and it's because Vecna is inside the military base.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Could definitely be and.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think it's confirmed in the third episode, but not
like for sure for sure, because they're almost making it
seem like there's another person or another entity that they
have as well. But you'll see when you get there.
But again, I don't know if I'm correct or not.
(19:03):
I don't know if there's an again, another person or
another entity that they're utilizing. Because you see Linda, Linda Hamilton,
Sarah Connor for some people, that's who it is.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Like I meant to look it up, but I was
staring at her and I'm like, she looks so familiar.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I know, you wouldn't recognize who it was, right.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
She like she also looked like she had the same
haircut as like because I was I was on the
Stargate kick and I was like, she has a similar
haircut to Samantha Carter. And I'm like, is this just
a thing for Stargate right now?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
If I'm I'm I'm seeing things just because of being
a fan of that franchise. And then yeah, you know,
I meant to look her up because I'm like, she
looks so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Familiar to Linna Hamilton, but yeah, so uh, because she's
doing experiments very much similar to like an evil Ripley
would almost do on stuff. She's like doing a dissection
on that weird vagina looking monster thingy, right, which I
(20:04):
was like, well, a, you should probably have like a
suit or something on, because like I was seriously like,
that does not look good. And then there's the tentacles
inside the caid or the cell thingy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
That like WAPs at it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They don't bite, but they do strangle.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, And I was like, well, those look a lot
like the vines and stuff that are like closely.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Related to Vecna more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But again, because I think Vecna is ultimately a a
puppet in the way that like Penny Wise is a puppet,
you know what I mean, That's what the.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Feeling I have.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was thinking the reverse, So.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think that he is the manifestation of something worse,
which I think is behind that wall. And that wall
is basically kind of like the what do they call it?
A dark tower that like uh that it's not veil.
(21:11):
Remember they walk down the the that that tunnel and
the wall is like the the.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Membrane between you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
What if the creatures are kind of like pressing through
in a way. I have a feeling that's similar, and
but it can't breach the like into our world. And
they've tried with like the mind flare, right, but like
that there's something and it might be that it's too
big and it's trying to you know, do whatever. I
(21:47):
don't know again, just throwing the ideas out there. So
I think we're gonna find that Vecna is the penny
Wise of whatever this entity is in a way maybe,
but I mean we'll.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know, but I believe I think my theory
was and then it was sort of confirmed I think
in episode three, and I think probably will no more
in episode four. Again I haven't watched it yet as
of recording, but I think that's like the point where
(22:27):
we like, I think he probably gets out. And that's
why we have longer episodes to end, is they're they're
wrapping up I think they're wrapping up character arcs to
tell you the truth because there was a I didn't watch.
I think I sent it to the group, but I
never watched it. I think there was a final trailer
(22:47):
that I sent right like the week before it came out,
or like the beginning of November. I camera when I
sent it, and I ever watched it. Not any particular reason.
I sent send stuff and I don't watch the whole thing.
Sometimes I send stuff and I don't watch it at
all until later on. But that I was like, you
(23:08):
know what, I'm gonna wait, I don't care. But when
I was starting getting ready to start episode three, No.
Two and three the other day when we sat down
to watch them, you were watching why Re Eating Things,
Doving dinner and it auto plays in Netflix, like when
you're on the selection screen or when you're on the
(23:31):
show's page, it'll play through the trailer with audio and
you can turn it off. I think, but whatever, it
doesn't matter to me. And I was like watching this
and it was just a montage of like a lot
of the characters and near death situations, and I was like,
all right, I've watched one episode so far. None of
that is in this. There's a part where like Hopper
(23:54):
and what's what's Will's mom's name, Joyce, uh, carrying a
very lifeless like almost lifeless looking Mike Wheeler like and
but it looks like they're in the upside down. And
then there's a spot of Lucas carrying was it in
(24:20):
the hospital? I think it was in the hospital. Again,
it's all montage things.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If it's in the hospital the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, And he's carrying her like running down a hallway
and you see a demo dog and I was like, well,
they haven't been appeared, so clearly some ship's about to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Max is her name. Uh. And then you see.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
A bloody dustin and he looks like he's also in
the upside down, but he's looking up like doing like
something's like getting bigger in front of him and he's
doing this and I was like, well, that can't be good.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And then there's a part of like uh where Vecna
is like mind controlling Will or whatever, and he's like
writhing on the ground and it's just like it looks
like there's a bunch of dead bodies around and I
was like, are these all clips from like this sea?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's just like because if this is all like because
none of this is in the first Like, after I
watched the two and three, none of that was in
episode two and three, And I was like, that's four
Is that trailer just episode four? Because if it is,
what the fuck happens in five, six, seven, and eight?
Because holy assholes trying to remember all of Well, no,
(25:42):
so the crawl was all of episode one.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, no, the crawl was all of episode two.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Episode one was setting up the was kind of setting
the things up there the radio station.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That I had a few things I even had.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
A problem with, which we can get to in a
little bit. But like you know, with Dustin's character setting
up Holly and then setting up setting up the crawl
and setting up like what has Eleven been doing in
(26:19):
the meantime? Yeah, with their training and whatnot. Episode two
then shows, Okay, here's the crawl, this is what it is,
this is what happens. It happens, and then shit go sideways,
Holly gets kidnapped, goes from there.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, okay. I was like I couldn't. I was like,
they're melding it. I was like episode three.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Is Episode two ends basically with them with Hopper and
Eleven staring at the wall, Yeah, if they find it
and they're like, oh shit, okay, and then I think
it basically they get ended there. It might have had
a little bit because, like you're saying, there's a little
(27:03):
bit of confusion to me because uh, ice cream a
hoy chick and uh and Mike are wandering through the forest.
Will oh sorry will Will, I said Mike, with Will
trying to find things with his inability, uh speaking of which,
(27:27):
like something occurs to me like that could be a
reason why Vecna wants a bunch of kids, is at
least because of the uh, the facility nearby where all
this takes place was a concentration of kids with powers.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, so Hawkins.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Could just be like a and they showed in episode two, yeah,
and episode two where they come across a vortex where kids,
you know, they're they make mention as kids, Hey, you
build one of these is as a kid. We have
something similar to here in Arizona, up in Prescott, Payson
or whatever the area where places of power type of thing.
(28:11):
So it could be that somehow there's just a higher
than normal concentration of people or kids with like the
shine essentially just to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Heasier to.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Say, uh and that's why he needs kids, because they're
more in tune to that type of stuff. Because all
of the all of the test subjects, with the exception
of him, Uh, I'm spacing out of his name. He
was Henry were kids when they were taken and experimented on.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He was technically a kid too.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It was technically a kid, but not by the time
that we see him.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Uh yeah, so you are right, but by this time
there could be just there's for some reason, there's just
places of power and uh maybe like you said, you know,
this is just a thinner area. There are maybe thin
areas that have existed throughout our world, Russia having one
of them that we know so far. Hawkins could just
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be a thin area with a high concentration of people
with the psychic abilities, the shining or whatever, which would
be again another great callback to another series of books
from that era. And that could be why he needs
the kids, just to try and increase his psychic abilities
(29:36):
to do whatever, to pull something, to pull something across,
or to finally cross over himself or I.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Don't know, or even pull the other entity that I
think is involved, right, because I think his whole plan
was because and this is what made me think this? Right, So,
in the in this doesn't this isn't stepping into what
you haven't seen yet. In episode three this was in the.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Well part of it is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But then.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
The part with Will when the.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Kind of throwback look back or what do you want
to call it, when he face hugs him with the
slimy tentacle thingy and he's clearly pumping in something.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Mind whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, and I think he's gonna end up doing that
to well, wants to do that to multiple children, and
I think that is gonna be his way to because
like with Will and the mind Flare, he was able
to breach that gap almost and bring forth not only
(30:47):
himself but also the mind Flare into all reality. And
then obviously when the kids won or defeated him, obviously
excuse me made a uh that breach the ground broke open,
which I thought was HILARI that they covered with metal plates.
I was like, guys, I don't know, you're not really
(31:10):
stitching the ground together, you know what I mean, You're
just covering holes.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Just say you're covering holes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So like, and then obviously the tunnels and stuff were
a cool things, like what it's funny we talked about
earlier with Red Dawn. It didn't dawn on me until
they were using him to travel undetected. I was like, Oh,
that's Red, that's a Red Down reference. That's hilarious. But
I think he's gonna be trying to do what he
(31:39):
did to Will to the other kids. So they may
not have inherently have some kind of ability, Like.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I'm considering it more of a latent thing that they
just don't know that they have, or even more of
just a sensitivity thing to things, because obviously Holly has
the ability to see that maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If he has to push it.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, So I think he's searching out these kids and
he's gonna do what he did to Will to them
and use them as antennae like that, because unlike Max,
unlike Christy right, which I think weren't, they weren't failed attempts.
(32:25):
They were something slightly different because he never pulled them
across he he he messed with their minds and then
broke their minds obviously, and they did whatever. But I
think he was using their body as an entry point
for himself, and obviously it didn't work very well. So
he went to younger bodies. I guess, I don't know.
(32:48):
There's a lot again I'm asking thinking about but I
think he's gonna be trying to use, actually, to use
a term that they use in episode two, an antenna
built into Will that connects their minds and if he
has enough of them, he can breach that gap and
he able to come as Vecna and whatever else into
(33:10):
our world and use again I guess reference to the
Dark Tower those kids as that way to make a
gate more functional, because we obviously know there's already a gate.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, I guess there's she Well eleven Broke destroyed the
one that was in Russia or Siberia wherever that one
was with her and Hopper. Obviously there's one clearly in
the middle of Hawkins from the last Uh what happened
where they obviously when they do the crawl and they
burn it open then drive trucks through enough to build
(33:48):
a whole base, uh on the other side somewhere, but
uh they I think the location of the base I
think is the upside down version of either the lab,
the original lab where but on the upside down half
(34:11):
the Hawkins Lab thing, or a facility that is around
Henry's house. I'm not too sure yet because the upside
down is hard to understand where things are at, and at.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Least for the house theory, like it when they were
tracking the when they were tracking Hopper during the crawl,
they hadn't really left the the city proper, it seemed like,
so it still could be, you know, the house, because
I would think that would be the first place that
(34:48):
you would look and kind of stake out, because that's
where season you know, that's where you fell out of
season three, that's your yeah, season four, excuse me, it
was his was his dilapidated house on the other side
on the upside down. So I think that that would
be a point that, like this means something to him,
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you would.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Do something there, And I think that's why when.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh no, that's in episode three, I don't want to
say that. Okay, yeah, I won't say what it is then,
because that's part of the reveal, the cool reveal at
the end of that episode, which I made an assumption
at one point, Uh, all this all happened in episode three,
(35:37):
I know for a fact, and then it came true
at the end of the episode, and I was like, okay,
all right, that's cool, which to me is I think
a direct reference to.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Uh oh, I don't want to say what it is.
It might give it away too.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Okay, it's good reference to another Nightmare on Elm Street
movie plot.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So but yeah, there's a there's a part in it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That movie gets pulled through a.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Weirdly enough.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
There's this scene and I thought that was gonna happen,
but not yet at least, so we'll see. But yeah,
I enjoy it a lot. I think there uh Like,
I don't know, I think you and I talked to
us a little bit. But Frank Daarbant uh famously for
(36:37):
doing another or Stephen King movie.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The Mist, as well as co creator of.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
AUH of Walking Dead as well. He actually directed episode
three of this season, and I believe he directed episode
four as well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'd have to look again.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And then Sean Levy former well not former producer, executive
producer and co showrunner I believe at the beginning, who
obviously has gone on to make a career out of
things outside of not a museum, because he did the
last Deadpool, He did Deadpool Wolverine, as well as a
(37:23):
bunch of other stuff with Ryan and going forward, he's
doing the new Star Wars movie with.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Ryan Gosling, the Star Finding. Anyways, he did one of
the he rejected one of the episodes. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Episode five, and he co directed an episode which is
episode seven with the Duffers. But the Duffers have done
all the other episodes. They did one and two. I
believe they did six, They co directed seven, and they
and they directed the episode eight if I remember looking
at it correctly. But yeah, so that's it's cool to see,
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like Frank Darebant, who arguably made one of the best
altered endings to a Stephen King story. Even Stephen has
said so with his change of the Mist ending, which
is way more fucked up. Actually, it's funny. I was
talking about this with someone the other day. We were
(38:22):
talking about movies, and it got me thinking about not
this directly, but this got me thinking about it. Frank
Darebon's ending for The Mist if you remember, and I
don't know if you've ever read the book or novella,
that it is completely different. Yeah, speaking of creatures through
(38:44):
a veil.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
The Mist is.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Some would say an alternate to this to uh the
stand because instead of a virus being let loose that
caused the pandemic or epidemic, No pandemic end endemic.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Because a pandemic would be like it would be the virus.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, yeah, whatever the whatever you want to consider that
the virus wiping out ninety nine point nine percent of
the world's population and that that's where like the Project
Arrowhead is that that is what they call it. In
the mist they brought they opened a gate like creatures
through and then the stand a virus infected somebody who
(39:29):
then got out of the lab and then spread it
like wildfire, like worse than a wildfire really throughout the world.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
So that's like the breach of that whatever I think
it's it's not called the veil. I came what they
called it anyways.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
But in his movie, uh so in the novella, almost
everything exactly the same, crazy people, not good people, people
trying to do good things, has a much darker, weird
future to it because in his it's a dark ending
(40:03):
but has a happy ending in a way. In the book,
it's a much bleaker world that it ends in because
the creatures essentially aren't stopped, aren't held back. We're in
the end of Darebahnce movie Thomas Jane has arguably one
(40:26):
of the most like heartbreaking scenes that ends in.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
The most tragic way possible.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
He eliminates everybody in the car with him, goes to
shoot one more bullet and doesn't have the one last
round or it's a dut or something it was, yeah,
and he doesn't and then he thinks he's about to
get like crushed by one of the monsters, right, And
it turns out the Mist is receding and the army
is rolling through with survivors, and if he would have
(40:59):
waited ten more minutes, all of them would have been safe.
And that's fucked up, especially because he sees the mother
who ran off into the mist on one of the
vehicles with her kids and that they're safe when everyone thought, oh,
that bitch dead is fucked you because she ran out
(41:20):
to the monsters and the book. They escaped to town
thinking they're gonna get away from the Mist, and it
turns out the mists has covered the rest of the
land and so they're literally hiding out during the night
when the monsters are more active, and then there are
during the daytime. But I was like Steven's ending is
(41:41):
more bleak, right, because the like the world has just
taken over his monsters, but dare Bounce is more traumatic.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Because of Yah, his kid and other friends along with him.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, but only to realize that there was actually.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Hope wild it's I was like, dang, that's messed up.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I was going to say, because you mentioned the mist,
and I was like, oh, yeah, there was even a
reference of the mist in Stranger Things. No, there was
a reference to the myst in the South Park up
the Newest South Park episode.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Oh yeah, we need to watch that too. Have watched
that either.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Hilarious but yeah that there's a scene where.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Something happens and then these characters take refuge inside of
a store and they're talking about it, like the mist
is happening outside.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And I was just like, oh my god, this is
fucking hilarious. We'll spoil it.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But to kind of finish up things from from Stranger Things.
While I absolutely agree with you that I thoroughly enjoyed,
what is that tapping? I don't know, it sounded like
you were typing something.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
For a second, I thought youth.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I was like, you're you're.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Going hardcore on typing And I was like, then you
just like I saw like both hands up and I
was like, he's typing with something that.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Anyway, I did have a few problems with it. Three
main problems with with the show. Though Dustin's story arcs
so far what happened to the mother and eleven, Dustin's
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storyline for me is the most egregious because I'm so
sick and tired of these characters that they have to
that they put into things, or at least they put
the characters into such a point where they have to
introduce some some.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And the word is escaping me right now, but drama
into it because he could have just had a character
that's just like going along with everything like the rest
of the kids. Like I understand he has a.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
An attachment to Eddie, but he's taking things way too
far in my opinion, then needs to be like he's
literally picking fights with bullies and.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Making himself a target for.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Things when he's got other things to do that are
more way wait, he.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Literally has other things to do that he that are
way more goddamn important than this. I get it, But
you can avenge Eddie by literally doing what you're supposed
to be doing, which is helping out to defeat Vecna,
not picking fights with high school bullies.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Which, if you think about.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
It, pissing me off the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, that that's the point. And I was feeling very similar.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Eddie would like he literally, yeah he was a coward, right,
but then he like he found his courage at the
end of well, well his end. So they say, I'm
pretty sure he's dead because they I think they buried
a body.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
At that point, right, I don't know actually, because I
think they left him behind.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Oh shit, they might be in there. Yeah, he might
still be upset anyways.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, because he did crossovers. He doesn't have a body
here like Max does. He was actually he crossed over,
he flipped. Yeah, he was in the upside down. He wasn't.
He wasn't mind messed with like Chrissy or Max was.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
He was.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
If you think about and maybe this will turn about
and make Dustin's character make that turnaround. I don't know,
but if you think about it, Eddie would want him
to go headlong into fighting Vecna more than anything else. Yes,
I understand that he's he can't. He's frustrated because he
(45:50):
can't tell people that Eddie was a hero and he
didn't kill Chrissy and all this stuff, right, doesn't matter,
but your friends rely on you for a certain thing,
and Vecna is the reason Eddie is dead. Right, So
in a in a D and D campaign to use
their references, getting revenge on the person who killed your
(46:14):
friend and mentor is way more important than trying to
clear his name for no reason. Yea, because you won't
be able to explain it to anybody. You'll look like
a lunatic more so than you already do. And you're not.
If anything, you're hindering the fact that. And I guarantee
(46:35):
he's probably frustrated because they've done so many like thirty
something crawls and there's never been a sign of VECNA.
I get that, But you'd think that would actually reverse again,
reverse his thought process and make him like double down,
triple down, quadruple down on getting VECNA even more so,
like finding where he's hiding if he's actually hiding, you know,
(46:56):
to Mike's I think was Mike's point, what if he's
dead and we're just running around soles or whatever he says,
But like and then they were like, we have.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
This grid to search. Yeah, we finished searching the grid.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
If we don't find him, fine, then you kind of
have an instant, you know, an idea that he might
not be there, you know that he might actually be dead.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But it was just, yeah, it was just pissing me
off for that. I don't know what thought you were
going to.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Complete there, No, it did.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It made me a little upset because I was like,
he's being so selfish in like the dumbest way. Yes,
when like I guarantee you Lucas wants to be my
Maxis side. Twenty four to seven. Will would love to
be spending time I mean, Mike would love to be
spending time with eleven all the time, but they have
to be separated because she has to be on the
lamb and hiding out and he has to keep.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Face or whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Right, Will obviously is I think in love with Mike
because there's a conversation and in uh the third episode
that like leads me to think, but I don't know
if it's Mike or I don't know, it's very it's it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
But they did have that like hint in the season
three that in the in the car Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
But yeah, like I was just like, why do you
have to introduce this, this unnecessary confrontation And then the
fact that he just he's too stubborn to even say
that I fucked up, to which I get it that
that's a character trait, that's a character flaw right there.
But literally, if that were me, if I were what's
(48:38):
his name driving the truck, I would have stopped him,
been like, get the fuck out, leave. I don't want
to deal with you right now orherever. If you want
to go do your dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, go do your dumb shit.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's only going to get other.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
People killed, Yeah, Steve, Steve took the wrong approach with that.
I would be like, Bro, you a clearly you did
not fall off your bike and hit a pole.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah right, he knows that. He says, oh yeah, what
what fist did you run into? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, So yeah, that's that. It makes me mad.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
It makes me even more mad than the more we
talk about it, because it's an unnecessary confrontation.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
The next one was more of a just like a
plot point that just kind of killed me. And this
was with the mom.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
The mom gets ord to hell, yeah, her neck. Her
neck is just slashed. And you have the kids in
the waiting room and they're like, well, we want to
talk to our mom, and it's like, bro, there's no
way she's awake.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Even the doctor. They finally get to see the doctor,
and the doctor.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Says specifically, I wouldn't let you in there even if
she was awake, yep, which says she's not awake.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
She's not in any condition. The fact that she survived this,
like her neck is that had to have been.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Slashed, not to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
This point is actually what I said to Page when
we're watching it, is she should have died there and
then because she was cut open, right, But she was
also hammered, which means her blood is thinned out, which
means she couldn't have clotted properly because she was wasted.
And yeah, I know she got she sobered up when
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she saw the monster. That's not gonna change the chemical
yet her brain might have switched over like holy shit,
like what is this, But the blood wouldn't have been
re thickened with her constitution changing, she's the blood. She
should be literally a puddle.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
And even if miraculously, we rely on fact that somehow
tv TV eighties magic medicine how helped her sew her
back up and they put a band aid on her
and said that she's fine.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
She's in a neckcast too for some reason.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Well, I mean I could understand why, but just the
pure fact, like there's no way she would be conscious, Yeah,
no way she'd be conscious.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It bothered me so much. No, don't, don't you absolutely
have to.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Get in there to ask questions about mister or what,
and it's like, there's no way she's conscious, and the
fact that you walk in there and somehow she's conscious.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Is just this huge plot point in the plot hole
to me, failure. I don't know. It just made me mad.
Of like, she was so.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Damaged that there is no way she should have been
able to communicate, Yeah, not with them, and yet somehow.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She was not.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Even like I'm sure that there is doctors out there
that would be watching this and going, no, at the
very least, she'd be induced in a coma, because there's
no way that she could, you know, even try to
wake her up in this condition, and yet she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah she was.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
They were able to wake her up, and she's able
to write things out, so that that was just kind
of like oh my god, guys, like what are we doing?
And even then like what is she going to say?
Like I guess you know, she obviously knew the name
of mister what Henry, but like not like she's going
to be able to point in direction like yeah, over there, whatever.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
The final thing was.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Eleven herself just again going back to a character character
traits and introducing to me unnecessary drama the fact that
Eleven wants to go on I can understand that she
wants to go on the crawls with with Hopper, but
as they set up in episode two, like the whole
point of these crawls is defined not fight where he's at,
(52:59):
Not fight him. You don't send your nuke in to
go and do reconnissions. You know, once you find.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Him, then you set the new goth.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Then you can go in and set the nuke off,
then you go in with a plan to fight him.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
You don't just go in half cock to the whole,
you know, every single time, trying to find him and
fight him there. So, like I agree with Hopper that
she shouldn't have been there at all, in which case
she wasn't. Obviously, she enters into the upside down through
a different area and a different reason, which leads to
another problem that I have with TV shows and movies
(53:39):
and everything, when.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Hopper's like, what are you doing here? And she doesn't
explain it at all, Like it should take two seconds
to just be like, you know, the a demic organ
at you know, something attacked the.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Wheeler family.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
The Wheeler family, Yeah, thank you, the Wheeler family took
how we arrived there? They we realized that they took
Holly through through a portal. I followed through. I'm here
trying to find Holly.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
That that's it. That took all of like what maybe
ten ten seconds, twenty seconds, And it could have.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Been faster had I not forgotten what the last name
of the parents were. Like, it infuriates me that they
have to be so cryptic because she's just like, I'm
just a bad ass to over here, just doing badass stuff,
and it's just like stop, stop, you're you're with Hopper.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
He needs to know why you're here, like and what happened? Yeah,
like just just stop, just take two seconds.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
You obviously did when you tried to I mean, even
Hopper to a certain extent too, get shot and doesn't
say anything.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
It's just like, bro, just you're on the same team.
Just just stop and talk about things.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
It makes me so mad when when media does this,
when in real life you would have been like, no, no, no,
this is what happened. This is why I'm here, Like
I realize I'm not supposed to be here, but like
the you know, and then even to that as well,
with Will and Robin just going off on their own
(55:17):
of like, well, now we're splitting the team. No one
knows where these characters are. They don't have a radio
with them as far as I'm aware. So when someone
finally realized that they're missing, good.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Luck finding them unless they stumble upon somebody else. Like
we've just split the party up and no one knows
where these two characters are. So great go in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, I just wish shows would stop doing this type
of stuff to introduce just unnecessary drama.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
There's enough going on, they don't need to add new,
nuanced reasons for things.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Right, and you're just introducing characters to to do other
problems in danger that is just unnecessary. I know it'll
probably work out in.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
The end, but it's just like what cause this stuff?
Speaker 4 (56:12):
And I'm infuriated that you have to fall back on
this type of stuff, these these type of tropes, rather
than you know, subverting these types of tropes and.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Just make it more simple and and not have to,
you know, do all those other things like that, like
you're saying with adding the extra drama when you could
literally just make it simple, Like you don't have to
add in this complexity for no reason when you really
think about it, you should have more Like again, like
(56:43):
I was saying with Dustin, is like you should have
had more of him going the other way, like being
more radical and more dangerous, the VECNA hunting thing.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
With yeah, because you know, there's a reason why he
really wants to find him, to make sure that he's dead.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah. And in a way, like I said earlier, I
get why he's frustrated with the with the people, you know,
like talking bad about Eddie and calling him murder and
blah blah blah. I get that, but like that doesn't
matter because those people are only seeing a sliver of
(57:22):
what happened, where Like there's so much more going on.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That like.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Need to be addressed, like by him, and obviously he's
a key point because he is their science officer in
a way. But like, it's like, so, and I agree
with you. It's so dumb for him to be so
fixated on Eddie's reputation when Eddie wasn't even worried about
his reputation.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Will No, Mike said it to him or Lucas said
it to him in the first episode when he was
obviously being confronted by the bookies. They're like, Eddie didn't
even care what these people thought. Yeah, yeah, he was
a twenty year old fucking high school senior. Yeah, he
knew he was a fuck up, and he didn't care
(58:12):
what anyone else thought. And that's why you liked him,
because he didn't care. So why do you care so much?
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (58:22):
But you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Anyway, So those are the problems that I had with it. Overall.
Still a great show, Yeah, for sure, WILL think Will
will Obviously.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
I don't know if I'll watch more tonight because we
still do have last week's episode Dairy to watch, which
has been a fantastic show in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, we need to catch up on that too. We
saw Zootopia too the other night. How was that super awesome.
I would say much better than the first one.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
Not much better. I would say it's better than the
first one.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Uh. And there's so many speaking of Stephen King references.
Actually there's a Stephen King reference in Utopia too.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
It's hilarious. Hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's the Shining, honest oddly enough, but yeah, it's just
there's this one scene and it comes out of nowhere,
like it was just it was not predicated by anything,
but it was funny. Is it's in the snowy region,
the tundra area, and there's a big house, right and
(59:26):
they have to go past the big house in the snow,
and there's a point they have to go it's on
the other side of it, and I was like, they
do this camera pan over the top of the roof
of the built of the house and there's a big
hedge maids buried in snow.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
And I looked at pages was like, oh my god,
that's fuck. That's hilarious. The Shining.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
And then right after I said it, the character that's
going into it looks crazy and is holding some stuff
and he's all mad ayed and I was like, holy shit,
it is a fucking ref fference to the shining. That's
fucking crazy. But there's all sorts of references. There's dirty
jokes in it, which are wild because it's a kids movie.
(01:00:09):
Like even more so, like when I say dirty jokes,
they're not like into Enduo's in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
They are because they're not coming out saying like hey,
fuck this, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
But like the one of the characters who is voiced
by comedian Fortune Feence there she plays she's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
In real life.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
The comedian she's a lesbian and in the movie she
plays a beaver.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Oh god, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
So that's hilarious in itself.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And there's a lot of the They do this really
funny thing with like the characters that they the Like
the new mayor is a horse, and he's supposed to
be kind of like Fabio and like like an action hero,
kind of like Arnold Scharzen, your kind of character, like
pushed into one voiced by Patrick Warburton perfectly, of course.
(01:01:06):
But they they call him mayor because he's the mayor, right,
But what's the name of a male horse.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
A mayor?
Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
No, No, that's what I'm saying. But that's the funny thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I'm sorry, the name of a female horse is Mayor,
but he's obviously a dude, right, but he's I was like,
that's so funny that he's a horse, yeah, and like
it was, Yeah, it's so it's so hilarious anyways, but
she makes these references where she brings up uh, two somes,
three sums, and foursomes at one point, and it's it's
(01:01:44):
just so funny to you because it's like and they're
like little rhymes, and it's just it's so good. There's
so many cool references in it and just like hilarious
little like uh like things like uh.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And the.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Voice cast is just stacked beyond belief and weirdly enough,
like the Rock Dwayne Rock Johnson has a very small
fucking voice cameo, but also so does Roman Reigns and
see Him Punk because they play two character Zebra cops
called the Zebras, and they have very minimal lines and
(01:02:23):
if you didn't know that they're they who they were,
you'd almost wouldn't be able to tell by their voice.
But it just made me laugh. But they're so funny
and like there's there's a babe pig in the city reference,
there's uh or is it is? It is it Babe
in the Big City or is it Charlotte's Web That'll
(01:02:43):
do pig?
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Is that Charlotte's Web?
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I doubt myself in the Babe in the.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Big City, right, Yeah, because Charlotte's.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
It's gotta be a babe. I think it's babe.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah. Because they there's two wart hog cops and one
of them like tracks down somebody and he's like, good,
that'll do pig or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I was like, oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But then like Bob Iger voices a tiger. Bob Iger
is the CEO of of or yeah, CEO of Walt Disney. Uh,
and he makes he plays a weatherman, which is funny
because he got to start in the business as a weatherman. Yeah.
So that's a cool little reference. Yeah, there's a bunch
of stuff. It was just really funny movie, very well done.
(01:03:34):
And if you remember anything about the first one is
it has to do with like, well, and there's their
case species and and and and classifications and blah blah blah.
This one has to do with that too, but like
just brings another Like the first one is about predators
being predators and and whatever. Right, and then this one's
(01:03:54):
about reptiles, but just a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Really, you don't see any of the first yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
And then the post credit scene, which is a true
post credit scene, is setting up a third movie, which, uh,
when it happened, didn't dawn on me that we hadn't
hadn't seen those creatures yet in these movies, And I
was like, oh, okay, well let's see how they tie
that in. But yeah, it's just a it's just a
(01:04:24):
it's just a really fun movie in general. Super I
was laughing my ass off in that movie.
Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
So but that's it, I believe. So, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, i'd say so.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I'm trying to think of anything else, but anything like that.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So that's it for this week's episode of Comes Naturally.
We have been I've been Cody as usual. You fuckers
just came naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Bye.
There he is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I thought I was going to miss you there for
a second.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Why it just seemed like I was ringing a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Maybe and you're a side, That's what I'm saying. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Who knows with your old ass laptop?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I know, right, who knows?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I don't know the shadow shadows?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh yeah, okay, good?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Sorry, No, no, I don't accept.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
It, okay, yanks, Yeah right, I don't know what to
say indoor.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Do you know.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I'm just gonna have to take it. Oh, I don't know.
I don't know how this works.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
You're gonna have to take it or not. It's more
like you're gonna have to take it or not.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh, it's very much, so a you problem.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's fair. Uh yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
So what's up buddy?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Not much? You know, had a good Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, eat lots of food.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I've been shooting yesterday. That was about it. What's up
with you?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Nothing, enjoying my long weekend? Nice nice, which unfortunately ends tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Or all its ends today. It's the last day.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, it works tomorrow. So yeah, don't we all back
to normal work?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well normally I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well yeah, true, but that's so good. I bet that's
going to feel weird for you. I know, yesterday or
the day before felt weird to me because obviously having
a Thanksgiving day off, and then it was just like,
oh it felt like a Saturday, tomorrow's Sunday. Oh, no,
tomorrow's Friday. I have to go back to work. The
(02:25):
Laine which whatever, went back to work. There was hardly
anybody at work. We hardly got anything in and so
literally I spent half a day finishing up a couple
of repairs and then just junking out a shit ton
of crackscreen monitors and then nothing because for the last
(02:49):
like hour or so out like two three hours, there
was no one on the depot side, just me, no managers,
know anybody.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Just party time brother pretty much, yeah, stripped down naked,
dance around.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I could. They don't want to get fired fired. I
don't like this job, but I don't want to get
fired from this job. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Plus I don't want to end up on like YouTube
or something in that case. In that sense, I.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Was like, uh, a lot of people want to end
up on YouTube, but I guess not really.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I mean, I am on YouTube, but.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
That's true for different reasons, not for Dick waggling at work.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
Oh, there went to Apple News. Okay, buy app. I
didn't have anything saved.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
There anyway, there went Apple News.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Bye, it hasn't even popped up up there. It is
the h if I want to, you know, the app?
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I just ignore it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I didn't even say anything this past week either far
as I'm aware. It was just kind of a slow week.
Although although although.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Stranger Things released the first four episodes.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
First four episodes, Part one, season.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Part one.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, yeah, so very very schedule.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Watching the first two episodes, did you watch any of them?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I watched the first three. We're gonna watch the fourth
one today.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Okay, Uh, what's your impression of it so far?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well after the first So we watched the first episode Wednesday, No,
Wednesday night. When did it come out? Come out Wednesday
or Thursday?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Came out Wednesday because I think I remember Taj texting
that it will be out Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Then I'm like, oh, I have Thursday off.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I'll be able to watch a couple of episodes before
going over to my parents' house for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yes, what's today the thirtieth?
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, so it wasn't It wasn't Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yes, who watched the first episode Wednesday night, and I enjoyed.
I've enjoyed all three episodes that I've watched quite a bit.
The second and third episode. Well, you haven't watched third episode.
I'm not gonna spoil anything for you. There's a new
not a character. Well, I guess the returning character. You
(05:40):
could say in the third episode. Okay, anyways, when you
get there, you understand. But uh, the first episode, watched
first two episodes just gave so many more questions and
not a whole lot of answers to anything. Like they
(06:00):
kind of explained, like what's been happening since the end
of episode or season four? The city, the town of
Hawkins is isolated, right, bl blah blah blah, And it's like,
what have they been up to? And then you turn
it turns out they've been like making this like, uh,
it's funny because like there's references to stuff that like
(06:22):
Page doesn't understand. I imagine the fact that like eleven
is just like Josh Brolin's character from Goony's Oh.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I didn't catch that, but now that you mentioned it,
absolutely yeah, I did get. I did get a wolverine
vibe from them as they were preparing to.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, yeah, the whole Red Dawn setup is definitely happening
in there. Obviously they're still saying true to the Boys,
kind of being obsessed with D and D and like,
you know, obviously going through there's a new reference. I
(07:00):
think it's new to this, to the to the show.
But A Wrinkling Time, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I haven't seen it before. And literally the first scene
I picked up right on it. I was like, well,
I know that book. I haven't read it. I know
that book cover to look it up, and it's like, okay,
it's a Wrinkling Time.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
And then reading the Wikipedia.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Like short little description of it, I'm like, oh my god,
this reads like Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's like a group of kids blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Man, you know, fantastical thing. I'm like, yeah, this literally
reads like Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, So and then page made the realization that Vecna
is very Freddy Krueger like, and I was like, well,
that would make sense since they are the Duffers are
roughly my age and they grew up watching the same
nonsense I did. So yeah, I guarantee you that's a
(07:56):
direct reference to Freddy Krueger. Even more so with oh wait, no,
that's all. It doesn't matter when you find out in
the third episode that VECNA is targeting multiple children.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, so that's the.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Second they've really just shown Holly.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But yeah, so slight spoilert for episode three is there's
more children uh involved in it. Ultimately, we don't really
know why, but we kind of know why because of
what Vecna is.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But we again, we don't know the specifics of why.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Kids but other than the fact that maybe doing bad things.
But yeah, I I really enjoyed the first one. The
first episode quite a bit. The opening scene with the
face replacement for young Will and the kind of getting
to see him and how he survived in the under
(09:08):
the upside Down was pretty pretty rad. And when you
realize that the soldiers have a base set up in
the upside Down and are like living in there, like
patrolling all the time, you're like, that's gnarly. But but
(09:28):
then I was like, because like there, I was like,
but how are they not just getting dismantled all the
time by the creatures there? And then you find out
episode two that because they explained the crawl finally, well
more of it in the because they do talk about
in the first episode because they're setting up for the
(09:49):
crawl in the first episode, and you find out I
think it's actually that might the detail I'm talking about
might be in episode one, but you see it more
in episode two, and you realize that, like Vecna's disappearance
has basically pulled all the creatures away, like they don't
(10:09):
they don't show up there because like, obviously he commands them.
I don't know if he controls them or or makes them.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Kind of explain that he controls them.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, so obviously they they're with him being defeated, you know,
no body, no proof or whatever. Obviously they're still looking
for his body Michael Myles Meyers style, because he does
fall out of an upper upper bedroom window on fire
and then gets shot a bunch.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
But uh, in the trying not to trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
If I'm in a no not, because it doesn't confirm
it in the third episode, but I uh, leading up
to it, I was like, oh, I know why Eleven
can't find Vecna.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I mean, it's kind of hinted that that he's probably
at the end of episode two, you see that. I
basically called it the giant Jello mold because it looked
like straight out of Ghostbusters, that it's just a giant
thing that's covering something or a walled around something. So
I imagine that he's just constructed some sort of barrier
(11:27):
like that that she just.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Can't see through.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't know yet because I haven't watched the fourth episode,
which is an hour.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
What's the length? It's an hour and like a half.
I think I want to say, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Soon, pull it back up.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Stronger things. Episodes Season five an hour and twenty six minutes,
and the next so just to warn you, Joe, episodes
four through eight, So four, five, six, seven, and eight
are all over an hour long. Yeah, they just get
longer as we go. So there's an hour and twenty
(12:11):
six hour forty three on our forty one I guess
would be the sixth episodes of two minutes less than
Chapter five. Then Chapter seven in Chapter eight are both
almost two hours long. So like literally the last four
episodes are five movie or last five episodes or five movies,
(12:33):
all running together and probably answering some questions and probably.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Answering a ton of questions, hopefully, you know, just tying everything.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Up with a nice bow.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean at least.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It plays into the thing that we talked about before,
where you give the creators enough time to you know, tell.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
The story hopefully.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, because realistically they're going to release this in like
an eight to ten episode you know things, So you know,
they have to chop it up if you have, like
I don't even know how many hours of content that
would be, but it's a lot. And so if you're
gonna do that in eight episodes, you have to chop
it up in some way. You're not gonna be you know,
the one season that's like thirty two one hour.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Episodes or whatever it would be.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, so I understand it, and going off on more
of a ending the season on more of a movie
is relatively okay with me. It just means that I
have to Well, there's also the fact that because I
know I've I've complained about that before too long of episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It has bitten me in the ass. This is the
this is the final season two, Yeah you know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, so we're done after this, So I can understand
one mass urrah And yeah, so I'm relatively okay with it.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, we seed to pour all of it into it
so we can get everything done done and hopefully done
in a very good way, which the Duffers have come
out and said they have, so like, that's awesome. But
we'll we'll, you know, obviously we'll have to wait and
see because the next.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Three episodes, Oh really, did they not split it into two?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, it's it's in three parts. Let's see if I
can see the release dates on here. I'm pretty sure
it can.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
That's weird.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Uh yeah, So the next three episodes drop on Christmas Day,
and then a week later, on New Year's Eve, we
get the final chapter.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It's a little weird, but okay, I guess it could.
That's the only thing is, I'm not sure what when
does this take place? I know in episode one or
two they mentioned that they when they re it was
episode one when they rewound back to Will getting capped
getting taken to the underground face hugger.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That was no, remember.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Twelve, November third, because that's the dumber third.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of whatever year that was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
So they made mentioned that.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
In present quote unquote present day it is around that time.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It was some it was some days away from.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
That, oh, November six, because the episode they're talking about
is November thirds. It's three days before the anniversary will
be disappearing. I think they said it's five years.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Is it five years from whatever? Nineteen? What year was that?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Eight? I want to say it's eighty three.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, well, yes, that's right, eighty three, Because now I
remember making the comment I was only two months old,
Yeah that I was two months old when when the
first when Will got captured. So eighty three plus five,
so eighty seven is when this takes place. I also
I was kind of doing the math of that too,
(15:57):
because what I found as a little bit I don't
know if this is an easter egg, but it was
just another feeling that I got.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
The military.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
You go from what looked like relatively I would say,
period accurate military uniforms two in this season, something that
looks straight out of Stargate. The way they're dressed, solid greens,
the black vests, the patch on the side. I looked
(16:28):
at that and I was like, that looks like just
and just it literally looked like a like a call
out to Stargate. And then think about it. They traveled
through a portal another place. I'm like, this is is
this not an homage to Stargate? Because I wouldn't think
that those military uniforms would be in the eighties look
(16:49):
much like that nineties maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Not eighties.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
So I don't know if that's if that's an homage
to Stargate.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
What was that dude's name, because the one guy like
the the the let the lead soldier guy, the black hand,
the black guy's.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Name, Yeah, I don't I remember his name, but I
knew who you're talking about yet.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I was gonna say Stevens, but I think that's incorrect. Anyways,
he I still can't pinpoint his outfit of what it
reminds me of.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Right, he has that big, like freaking collar that comes. Yeah,
it seems no purpose, but it's like, all right, I
get the feeling.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I've seen clothing like that.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah, it's got it there. It has to be a
reference to something. I just don't know what it is.
And I was like trying to think of her right now,
and I don't know if I know exactly what it is.
What I was gonna say is I there was a
(17:57):
theory I had in at the end of that episode
two that was like, I know why Eleven can't sense
or find Vecna in the upside down and when they
the the wall came into existence the guy wall, or
(18:18):
as Page called it, the pimple Wall. Yeah, I was like,
that's that that is that's a trick and I know why,
and it's because Vecna is inside the military base.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Could definitely be and.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think it's confirmed in the third episode, but not
like for sure for sure, because they're almost making it
seem like there's another person or another entity that they
have as well. But you'll see when you get there.
But again, I don't know if I'm correct or not.
(19:03):
I don't know if there's an again, another person or
another entity that they're utilizing. Because you see Linda, Linda Hamilton,
Sarah Connor for some people, that's who it is.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Like I meant to look it up, but I was
staring at her and I'm like, she looks so familiar.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I know, you wouldn't recognize who it was, right.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
She like she also looked like she had the same
haircut as like because I was I was on the
Stargate kick and I was like, she has a similar
haircut to Samantha Carter. And I'm like, is this just
a thing for Stargate right now?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
If I'm I'm I'm seeing things just because of being
a fan of that franchise. And then yeah, you know,
I meant to look her up because I'm like, she
looks so.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Familiar to Linna Hamilton, but yeah, so uh, because she's
doing experiments very much similar to like an evil Ripley
would almost do on stuff. She's like doing a dissection
on that weird vagina looking monster thingy, right, which I
(20:04):
was like, well, a, you should probably have like a
suit or something on, because like I was seriously like,
that does not look good. And then there's the tentacles
inside the caid or the cell thingy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
That like WAPs at it.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
They don't bite, but they do strangle.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, And I was like, well, those look a lot
like the vines and stuff that are like closely.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Related to Vecna more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But again, because I think Vecna is ultimately a a
puppet in the way that like Penny Wise is a puppet,
you know what I mean, That's what the.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Feeling I have.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I was thinking the reverse, So.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think that he is the manifestation of something worse,
which I think is behind that wall. And that wall
is basically kind of like the what do they call it?
A dark tower that like uh that it's not veil.
(21:11):
Remember they walk down the the that that tunnel and
the wall is like the the.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Membrane between you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
What if the creatures are kind of like pressing through
in a way. I have a feeling that's similar, and
but it can't breach the like into our world. And
they've tried with like the mind flare, right, but like
that there's something and it might be that it's too
big and it's trying to you know, do whatever. I
(21:47):
don't know again, just throwing the ideas out there. So
I think we're gonna find that Vecna is the penny
Wise of whatever this entity is in a way maybe,
but I mean we'll.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
I don't know, but I believe I think my theory
was and then it was sort of confirmed I think
in episode three, and I think probably will no more
in episode four. Again I haven't watched it yet as
of recording, but I think that's like the point where
(22:27):
we like, I think he probably gets out. And that's
why we have longer episodes to end, is they're they're
wrapping up I think they're wrapping up character arcs to
tell you the truth because there was a I didn't watch.
I think I sent it to the group, but I
never watched it. I think there was a final trailer
(22:47):
that I sent right like the week before it came out,
or like the beginning of November. I camera when I
sent it, and I ever watched it. Not any particular reason.
I sent send stuff and I don't watch the whole thing.
Sometimes I send stuff and I don't watch it at
all until later on. But that I was like, you
(23:08):
know what, I'm gonna wait, I don't care. But when
I was starting getting ready to start episode three, No.
Two and three the other day when we sat down
to watch them, you were watching why Re Eating Things,
Doving dinner and it auto plays in Netflix, like when
you're on the selection screen or when you're on the
(23:31):
show's page, it'll play through the trailer with audio and
you can turn it off. I think, but whatever, it
doesn't matter to me. And I was like watching this
and it was just a montage of like a lot
of the characters and near death situations, and I was like,
all right, I've watched one episode so far. None of
that is in this. There's a part where like Hopper
(23:54):
and what's what's Will's mom's name, Joyce, uh, carrying a
very lifeless like almost lifeless looking Mike Wheeler like and
but it looks like they're in the upside down. And
then there's a spot of Lucas carrying was it in
(24:20):
the hospital? I think it was in the hospital. Again,
it's all montage things.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
If it's in the hospital the hospital.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, And he's carrying her like running down a hallway
and you see a demo dog and I was like, well,
they haven't been appeared, so clearly some ship's about to happen.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Max is her name. Uh. And then you see.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
A bloody dustin and he looks like he's also in
the upside down, but he's looking up like doing like
something's like getting bigger in front of him and he's
doing this and I was like, well, that can't be good.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
And then there's a part of like uh where Vecna
is like mind controlling Will or whatever, and he's like
writhing on the ground and it's just like it looks
like there's a bunch of dead bodies around and I
was like, are these all clips from like this sea?
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's just like because if this is all like because
none of this is in the first Like, after I
watched the two and three, none of that was in
episode two and three, And I was like, that's four
Is that trailer just episode four? Because if it is,
what the fuck happens in five, six, seven, and eight?
Because holy assholes trying to remember all of Well, no,
(25:42):
so the crawl was all of episode one.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, no, the crawl was all of episode two.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Episode one was setting up the was kind of setting
the things up there the radio station.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That I had a few things I even had.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
A problem with, which we can get to in a
little bit. But like you know, with Dustin's character setting
up Holly and then setting up setting up the crawl
and setting up like what has Eleven been doing in
(26:19):
the meantime? Yeah, with their training and whatnot. Episode two
then shows, Okay, here's the crawl, this is what it is,
this is what happens. It happens, and then shit go sideways,
Holly gets kidnapped, goes from there.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, okay. I was like I couldn't. I was like,
they're melding it. I was like episode three.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Is Episode two ends basically with them with Hopper and
Eleven staring at the wall, Yeah, if they find it
and they're like, oh shit, okay, and then I think
it basically they get ended there. It might have had
a little bit because, like you're saying, there's a little
(27:03):
bit of confusion to me because uh, ice cream a
hoy chick and uh and Mike are wandering through the forest.
Will oh sorry will Will, I said Mike, with Will
trying to find things with his inability, uh speaking of which,
(27:27):
like something occurs to me like that could be a
reason why Vecna wants a bunch of kids, is at
least because of the uh, the facility nearby where all
this takes place was a concentration of kids with powers.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, so Hawkins.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Could just be like a and they showed in episode two, yeah,
and episode two where they come across a vortex where kids,
you know, they're they make mention as kids, Hey, you
build one of these is as a kid. We have
something similar to here in Arizona, up in Prescott, Payson
or whatever the area where places of power type of thing.
(28:11):
So it could be that somehow there's just a higher
than normal concentration of people or kids with like the
shine essentially just to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Heasier to.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Say, uh and that's why he needs kids, because they're
more in tune to that type of stuff. Because all
of the all of the test subjects, with the exception
of him, Uh, I'm spacing out of his name. He
was Henry were kids when they were taken and experimented on.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
He was technically a kid too.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
It was technically a kid, but not by the time
that we see him.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Uh yeah, so you are right, but by this time
there could be just there's for some reason, there's just
places of power and uh maybe like you said, you know,
this is just a thinner area. There are maybe thin
areas that have existed throughout our world, Russia having one
of them that we know so far. Hawkins could just
(29:13):
be a thin area with a high concentration of people
with the psychic abilities, the shining or whatever, which would
be again another great callback to another series of books
from that era. And that could be why he needs
the kids, just to try and increase his psychic abilities
(29:36):
to do whatever, to pull something, to pull something across,
or to finally cross over himself or I.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Don't know, or even pull the other entity that I
think is involved, right, because I think his whole plan
was because and this is what made me think this? Right, So,
in the in this doesn't this isn't stepping into what
you haven't seen yet. In episode three this was in the.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Well part of it is.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
But then.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
The part with Will when the.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Kind of throwback look back or what do you want
to call it, when he face hugs him with the
slimy tentacle thingy and he's clearly pumping in something.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Mind whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, and I think he's gonna end up doing that
to well, wants to do that to multiple children, and
I think that is gonna be his way to because
like with Will and the mind Flare, he was able
to breach that gap almost and bring forth not only
(30:47):
himself but also the mind Flare into all reality. And
then obviously when the kids won or defeated him, obviously
excuse me made a uh that breach the ground broke open,
which I thought was HILARI that they covered with metal plates.
I was like, guys, I don't know, you're not really
(31:10):
stitching the ground together, you know what I mean, You're
just covering holes.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Just say you're covering holes.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So like, and then obviously the tunnels and stuff were
a cool things, like what it's funny we talked about
earlier with Red Dawn. It didn't dawn on me until
they were using him to travel undetected. I was like, Oh,
that's Red, that's a Red Down reference. That's hilarious. But
I think he's gonna be trying to do what he
(31:39):
did to Will to the other kids. So they may
not have inherently have some kind of ability, Like.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
I'm considering it more of a latent thing that they
just don't know that they have, or even more of
just a sensitivity thing to things, because obviously Holly has
the ability to see that maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If he has to push it.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, So I think he's searching out these kids and
he's gonna do what he did to Will to them
and use them as antennae like that, because unlike Max,
unlike Christy right, which I think weren't, they weren't failed attempts.
(32:25):
They were something slightly different because he never pulled them
across he he he messed with their minds and then
broke their minds obviously, and they did whatever. But I
think he was using their body as an entry point
for himself, and obviously it didn't work very well. So
he went to younger bodies. I guess, I don't know.
(32:48):
There's a lot again I'm asking thinking about but I
think he's gonna be trying to use, actually, to use
a term that they use in episode two, an antenna
built into Will that connects their minds and if he
has enough of them, he can breach that gap and
he able to come as Vecna and whatever else into
(33:10):
our world and use again I guess reference to the
Dark Tower those kids as that way to make a
gate more functional, because we obviously know there's already a gate.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, I guess there's she Well eleven Broke destroyed the
one that was in Russia or Siberia wherever that one
was with her and Hopper. Obviously there's one clearly in
the middle of Hawkins from the last Uh what happened
where they obviously when they do the crawl and they
burn it open then drive trucks through enough to build
(33:48):
a whole base, uh on the other side somewhere, but
uh they I think the location of the base I
think is the upside down version of either the lab,
the original lab where but on the upside down half
(34:11):
the Hawkins Lab thing, or a facility that is around
Henry's house. I'm not too sure yet because the upside
down is hard to understand where things are at, and at.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
Least for the house theory, like it when they were
tracking the when they were tracking Hopper during the crawl,
they hadn't really left the the city proper, it seemed like,
so it still could be, you know, the house, because
I would think that would be the first place that
(34:48):
you would look and kind of stake out, because that's
where season you know, that's where you fell out of
season three, that's your yeah, season four, excuse me, it
was his was his dilapidated house on the other side
on the upside down. So I think that that would
be a point that, like this means something to him,
(35:09):
you would.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Do something there, And I think that's why when.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh no, that's in episode three, I don't want to
say that. Okay, yeah, I won't say what it is then,
because that's part of the reveal, the cool reveal at
the end of that episode, which I made an assumption
at one point, Uh, all this all happened in episode three,
(35:37):
I know for a fact, and then it came true
at the end of the episode, and I was like, okay,
all right, that's cool, which to me is I think
a direct reference to.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Uh oh, I don't want to say what it is.
It might give it away too.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Okay, it's good reference to another Nightmare on Elm Street
movie plot.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
So but yeah, there's a there's a part in it.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
That movie gets pulled through a.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Weirdly enough.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
There's this scene and I thought that was gonna happen,
but not yet at least, so we'll see. But yeah,
I enjoy it a lot. I think there uh Like,
I don't know, I think you and I talked to
us a little bit. But Frank Daarbant uh famously for
(36:37):
doing another or Stephen King movie.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
The Mist, as well as co creator of.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
AUH of Walking Dead as well. He actually directed episode
three of this season, and I believe he directed episode
four as well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'd have to look again.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
And then Sean Levy former well not former producer, executive
producer and co showrunner I believe at the beginning, who
obviously has gone on to make a career out of
things outside of not a museum, because he did the
last Deadpool, He did Deadpool Wolverine, as well as a
(37:23):
bunch of other stuff with Ryan and going forward, he's
doing the new Star Wars movie with.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Ryan Gosling, the Star Finding. Anyways, he did one of
the he rejected one of the episodes. I think it's.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Episode five, and he co directed an episode which is
episode seven with the Duffers. But the Duffers have done
all the other episodes. They did one and two. I
believe they did six, They co directed seven, and they
and they directed the episode eight if I remember looking
at it correctly. But yeah, so that's it's cool to see,
(38:01):
like Frank Darebant, who arguably made one of the best
altered endings to a Stephen King story. Even Stephen has
said so with his change of the Mist ending, which
is way more fucked up. Actually, it's funny. I was
talking about this with someone the other day. We were
(38:22):
talking about movies, and it got me thinking about not
this directly, but this got me thinking about it. Frank
Darebon's ending for The Mist if you remember, and I
don't know if you've ever read the book or novella,
that it is completely different. Yeah, speaking of creatures through
(38:44):
a veil.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
The Mist is.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Some would say an alternate to this to uh the
stand because instead of a virus being let loose that
caused the pandemic or epidemic, No pandemic end endemic.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Because a pandemic would be like it would be the virus.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, yeah, whatever the whatever you want to consider that
the virus wiping out ninety nine point nine percent of
the world's population and that that's where like the Project
Arrowhead is that that is what they call it. In
the mist they brought they opened a gate like creatures
through and then the stand a virus infected somebody who
(39:29):
then got out of the lab and then spread it
like wildfire, like worse than a wildfire really throughout the world.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
So that's like the breach of that whatever I think
it's it's not called the veil. I came what they
called it anyways.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
But in his movie, uh so in the novella, almost
everything exactly the same, crazy people, not good people, people
trying to do good things, has a much darker, weird
future to it because in his it's a dark ending
(40:03):
but has a happy ending in a way. In the book,
it's a much bleaker world that it ends in because
the creatures essentially aren't stopped, aren't held back. We're in
the end of Darebahnce movie Thomas Jane has arguably one
(40:26):
of the most like heartbreaking scenes that ends in.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
The most tragic way possible.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
He eliminates everybody in the car with him, goes to
shoot one more bullet and doesn't have the one last
round or it's a dut or something it was, yeah,
and he doesn't and then he thinks he's about to
get like crushed by one of the monsters, right, And
it turns out the Mist is receding and the army
is rolling through with survivors, and if he would have
(40:59):
waited ten more minutes, all of them would have been safe.
And that's fucked up, especially because he sees the mother
who ran off into the mist on one of the
vehicles with her kids and that they're safe when everyone thought, oh,
that bitch dead is fucked you because she ran out
(41:20):
to the monsters and the book. They escaped to town
thinking they're gonna get away from the Mist, and it
turns out the mists has covered the rest of the
land and so they're literally hiding out during the night
when the monsters are more active, and then there are
during the daytime. But I was like Steven's ending is
(41:41):
more bleak, right, because the like the world has just
taken over his monsters, but dare Bounce is more traumatic.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Because of Yah, his kid and other friends along with him.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, but only to realize that there was actually.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Hope wild it's I was like, dang, that's messed up.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
I was going to say, because you mentioned the mist,
and I was like, oh, yeah, there was even a
reference of the mist in Stranger Things. No, there was
a reference to the myst in the South Park up
the Newest South Park episode.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Oh yeah, we need to watch that too. Have watched
that either.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Hilarious but yeah that there's a scene where.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Something happens and then these characters take refuge inside of
a store and they're talking about it, like the mist
is happening outside.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
And I was just like, oh my god, this is
fucking hilarious. We'll spoil it.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
But to kind of finish up things from from Stranger Things.
While I absolutely agree with you that I thoroughly enjoyed,
what is that tapping? I don't know, it sounded like
you were typing something.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
For a second, I thought youth.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
No.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I was like, you're you're.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Going hardcore on typing And I was like, then you
just like I saw like both hands up and I
was like, he's typing with something that.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't know what that was.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Anyway, I did have a few problems with it. Three
main problems with with the show. Though Dustin's story arcs
so far what happened to the mother and eleven, Dustin's
(43:26):
storyline for me is the most egregious because I'm so
sick and tired of these characters that they have to
that they put into things, or at least they put
the characters into such a point where they have to
introduce some some.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
And the word is escaping me right now, but drama
into it because he could have just had a character
that's just like going along with everything like the rest
of the kids. Like I understand he has a.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
An attachment to Eddie, but he's taking things way too
far in my opinion, then needs to be like he's
literally picking fights with bullies and.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Making himself a target for.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Things when he's got other things to do that are
more way wait, he.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Literally has other things to do that he that are
way more goddamn important than this. I get it, But
you can avenge Eddie by literally doing what you're supposed
to be doing, which is helping out to defeat Vecna,
not picking fights with high school bullies.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Which, if you think about.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
It, pissing me off the whole entire time.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah, that that's the point. And I was feeling very similar.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Eddie would like he literally, yeah he was a coward, right,
but then he like he found his courage at the
end of well, well his end. So they say, I'm
pretty sure he's dead because they I think they buried
a body.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
At that point, right, I don't know actually, because I
think they left him behind.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Oh shit, they might be in there. Yeah, he might
still be upset anyways.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, because he did crossovers. He doesn't have a body
here like Max does. He was actually he crossed over,
he flipped. Yeah, he was in the upside down. He wasn't.
He wasn't mind messed with like Chrissy or Max was.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
He was.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
If you think about and maybe this will turn about
and make Dustin's character make that turnaround. I don't know,
but if you think about it, Eddie would want him
to go headlong into fighting Vecna more than anything else. Yes,
I understand that he's he can't. He's frustrated because he
(45:50):
can't tell people that Eddie was a hero and he
didn't kill Chrissy and all this stuff, right, doesn't matter,
but your friends rely on you for a certain thing,
and Vecna is the reason Eddie is dead. Right, So
in a in a D and D campaign to use
their references, getting revenge on the person who killed your
(46:14):
friend and mentor is way more important than trying to
clear his name for no reason. Yea, because you won't
be able to explain it to anybody. You'll look like
a lunatic more so than you already do. And you're not.
If anything, you're hindering the fact that. And I guarantee
(46:35):
he's probably frustrated because they've done so many like thirty
something crawls and there's never been a sign of VECNA.
I get that, But you'd think that would actually reverse again,
reverse his thought process and make him like double down,
triple down, quadruple down on getting VECNA even more so,
like finding where he's hiding if he's actually hiding, you know,
(46:56):
to Mike's I think was Mike's point, what if he's
dead and we're just running around soles or whatever he says,
But like and then they were like, we have.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
This grid to search. Yeah, we finished searching the grid.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
If we don't find him, fine, then you kind of
have an instant, you know, an idea that he might
not be there, you know that he might actually be dead.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But it was just, yeah, it was just pissing me
off for that. I don't know what thought you were
going to.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
Complete there, No, it did.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
It made me a little upset because I was like,
he's being so selfish in like the dumbest way. Yes,
when like I guarantee you Lucas wants to be my
Maxis side. Twenty four to seven. Will would love to
be spending time I mean, Mike would love to be
spending time with eleven all the time, but they have
to be separated because she has to be on the
lamb and hiding out and he has to keep.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Face or whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Right, Will obviously is I think in love with Mike
because there's a conversation and in uh the third episode
that like leads me to think, but I don't know
if it's Mike or I don't know, it's very it's it.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
But they did have that like hint in the season
three that in the in the car Yeah, yeah, yeah,
so we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
But yeah, like I was just like, why do you
have to introduce this, this unnecessary confrontation And then the
fact that he just he's too stubborn to even say
that I fucked up, to which I get it that
that's a character trait, that's a character flaw right there.
But literally, if that were me, if I were what's
(48:38):
his name driving the truck, I would have stopped him,
been like, get the fuck out, leave. I don't want
to deal with you right now orherever. If you want
to go do your dumb shit.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, go do your dumb shit.
Speaker 1 (48:48):
It's only going to get other.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
People killed, Yeah, Steve, Steve took the wrong approach with that.
I would be like, Bro, you a clearly you did
not fall off your bike and hit a pole.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah right, he knows that. He says, oh yeah, what
what fist did you run into? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, So yeah, that's that. It makes me mad.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
It makes me even more mad than the more we
talk about it, because it's an unnecessary confrontation.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
The next one was more of a just like a
plot point that just kind of killed me. And this
was with the mom.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
The mom gets ord to hell, yeah, her neck. Her
neck is just slashed. And you have the kids in
the waiting room and they're like, well, we want to
talk to our mom, and it's like, bro, there's no
way she's awake.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
Even the doctor. They finally get to see the doctor,
and the doctor.
Speaker 4 (49:49):
Says specifically, I wouldn't let you in there even if
she was awake, yep, which says she's not awake.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
She's not in any condition. The fact that she survived this,
like her neck is that had to have been.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Slashed, not to cut you off.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
This point is actually what I said to Page when
we're watching it, is she should have died there and
then because she was cut open, right, But she was
also hammered, which means her blood is thinned out, which
means she couldn't have clotted properly because she was wasted.
And yeah, I know she got she sobered up when
(50:36):
she saw the monster. That's not gonna change the chemical
yet her brain might have switched over like holy shit,
like what is this, But the blood wouldn't have been
re thickened with her constitution changing, she's the blood. She
should be literally a puddle.
Speaker 4 (50:54):
And even if miraculously, we rely on fact that somehow
tv TV eighties magic medicine how helped her sew her
back up and they put a band aid on her
and said that she's fine.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
She's in a neckcast too for some reason.
Speaker 4 (51:10):
Well, I mean I could understand why, but just the
pure fact, like there's no way she would be conscious, Yeah,
no way she'd be conscious.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
It bothered me so much. No, don't, don't you absolutely
have to.
Speaker 4 (51:22):
Get in there to ask questions about mister or what,
and it's like, there's no way she's conscious, and the
fact that you walk in there and somehow she's conscious.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
Is just this huge plot point in the plot hole
to me, failure. I don't know. It just made me mad.
Of like, she was so.
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Damaged that there is no way she should have been
able to communicate, Yeah, not with them, and yet somehow.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
She was not.
Speaker 4 (51:49):
Even like I'm sure that there is doctors out there
that would be watching this and going, no, at the
very least, she'd be induced in a coma, because there's
no way that she could, you know, even try to
wake her up in this condition, and yet she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah she was.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
They were able to wake her up, and she's able
to write things out, so that that was just kind
of like oh my god, guys, like what are we doing?
And even then like what is she going to say?
Like I guess you know, she obviously knew the name
of mister what Henry, but like not like she's going
to be able to point in direction like yeah, over there, whatever.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
The final thing was.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Eleven herself just again going back to a character character
traits and introducing to me unnecessary drama the fact that
Eleven wants to go on I can understand that she
wants to go on the crawls with with Hopper, but
as they set up in episode two, like the whole
point of these crawls is defined not fight where he's at,
(52:59):
Not fight him. You don't send your nuke in to
go and do reconnissions. You know, once you find.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Him, then you set the new goth.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Then you can go in and set the nuke off,
then you go in with a plan to fight him.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
You don't just go in half cock to the whole,
you know, every single time, trying to find him and
fight him there. So, like I agree with Hopper that
she shouldn't have been there at all, in which case
she wasn't. Obviously, she enters into the upside down through
a different area and a different reason, which leads to
another problem that I have with TV shows and movies
(53:39):
and everything, when.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Hopper's like, what are you doing here? And she doesn't
explain it at all, Like it should take two seconds
to just be like, you know, the a demic organ
at you know, something attacked the.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Wheeler family.
Speaker 4 (53:56):
The Wheeler family, Yeah, thank you, the Wheeler family took
how we arrived there? They we realized that they took
Holly through through a portal. I followed through. I'm here
trying to find Holly.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
That that's it. That took all of like what maybe
ten ten seconds, twenty seconds, And it could have.
Speaker 4 (54:14):
Been faster had I not forgotten what the last name
of the parents were. Like, it infuriates me that they
have to be so cryptic because she's just like, I'm
just a bad ass to over here, just doing badass stuff,
and it's just like stop, stop, you're you're with Hopper.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
He needs to know why you're here, like and what happened? Yeah,
like just just stop, just take two seconds.
Speaker 4 (54:39):
You obviously did when you tried to I mean, even
Hopper to a certain extent too, get shot and doesn't
say anything.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
It's just like, bro, just you're on the same team.
Just just stop and talk about things.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
It makes me so mad when when media does this,
when in real life you would have been like, no, no, no,
this is what happened. This is why I'm here, Like
I realize I'm not supposed to be here, but like
the you know, and then even to that as well,
with Will and Robin just going off on their own
(55:17):
of like, well, now we're splitting the team. No one
knows where these characters are. They don't have a radio
with them as far as I'm aware. So when someone
finally realized that they're missing, good.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Luck finding them unless they stumble upon somebody else. Like
we've just split the party up and no one knows
where these two characters are. So great go in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, I just wish shows would stop doing this type
of stuff to introduce just unnecessary drama.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
There's enough going on, they don't need to add new,
nuanced reasons for things.
Speaker 4 (55:57):
Right, and you're just introducing characters to to do other
problems in danger that is just unnecessary. I know it'll
probably work out in.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
The end, but it's just like what cause this stuff?
Speaker 4 (56:12):
And I'm infuriated that you have to fall back on
this type of stuff, these these type of tropes, rather
than you know, subverting these types of tropes and.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
Just make it more simple and and not have to,
you know, do all those other things like that, like
you're saying with adding the extra drama when you could
literally just make it simple, Like you don't have to
add in this complexity for no reason when you really
think about it, you should have more Like again, like
(56:43):
I was saying with Dustin, is like you should have
had more of him going the other way, like being
more radical and more dangerous, the VECNA hunting thing.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
With yeah, because you know, there's a reason why he
really wants to find him, to make sure that he's dead.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yeah. And in a way, like I said earlier, I
get why he's frustrated with the with the people, you know,
like talking bad about Eddie and calling him murder and
blah blah blah. I get that, but like that doesn't
matter because those people are only seeing a sliver of
(57:22):
what happened, where Like there's so much more going on.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
That like.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Need to be addressed, like by him, and obviously he's
a key point because he is their science officer in
a way. But like, it's like, so, and I agree
with you. It's so dumb for him to be so
fixated on Eddie's reputation when Eddie wasn't even worried about
his reputation.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
And I think.
Speaker 2 (57:51):
Will No, Mike said it to him or Lucas said
it to him in the first episode when he was
obviously being confronted by the bookies. They're like, Eddie didn't
even care what these people thought. Yeah, yeah, he was
a twenty year old fucking high school senior. Yeah, he
knew he was a fuck up, and he didn't care
(58:12):
what anyone else thought. And that's why you liked him,
because he didn't care. So why do you care so much?
Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (58:22):
But you know whatever.
Speaker 1 (58:25):
Anyway, So those are the problems that I had with it. Overall.
Still a great show, Yeah, for sure, WILL think Will
will Obviously.
Speaker 4 (58:33):
I don't know if I'll watch more tonight because we
still do have last week's episode Dairy to watch, which
has been a fantastic show in and of itself.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yeah, we need to catch up on that too. We
saw Zootopia too the other night. How was that super awesome.
I would say much better than the first one.
Speaker 3 (58:51):
Not much better. I would say it's better than the
first one.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Uh. And there's so many speaking of Stephen King references.
Actually there's a Stephen King reference in Utopia too.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
It's hilarious. Hard to explain.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's the Shining, honest oddly enough, but yeah, it's just
there's this one scene and it comes out of nowhere,
like it was just it was not predicated by anything,
but it was funny. Is it's in the snowy region,
the tundra area, and there's a big house, right and
(59:26):
they have to go past the big house in the snow,
and there's a point they have to go it's on
the other side of it, and I was like, they
do this camera pan over the top of the roof
of the built of the house and there's a big
hedge maids buried in snow.
Speaker 3 (59:45):
And I looked at pages was like, oh my god,
that's fuck. That's hilarious. The Shining.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
And then right after I said it, the character that's
going into it looks crazy and is holding some stuff
and he's all mad ayed and I was like, holy shit,
it is a fucking ref fference to the shining. That's
fucking crazy. But there's all sorts of references. There's dirty
jokes in it, which are wild because it's a kids movie.
(01:00:09):
Like even more so, like when I say dirty jokes,
they're not like into Enduo's in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
They are because they're not coming out saying like hey,
fuck this, you know whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
But like the one of the characters who is voiced
by comedian Fortune Feence there she plays she's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
In real life.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
The comedian she's a lesbian and in the movie she
plays a beaver.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Oh god, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
So that's hilarious in itself.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
And there's a lot of the They do this really
funny thing with like the characters that they the Like
the new mayor is a horse, and he's supposed to
be kind of like Fabio and like like an action hero,
kind of like Arnold Scharzen, your kind of character, like
pushed into one voiced by Patrick Warburton perfectly, of course.
(01:01:06):
But they they call him mayor because he's the mayor, right,
But what's the name of a male horse.
Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
A mayor?
Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
No, No, that's what I'm saying. But that's the funny thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I'm sorry, the name of a female horse is Mayor,
but he's obviously a dude, right, but he's I was like,
that's so funny that he's a horse, yeah, and like
it was, Yeah, it's so it's so hilarious anyways, but
she makes these references where she brings up uh, two somes,
three sums, and foursomes at one point, and it's it's
(01:01:44):
just so funny to you because it's like and they're
like little rhymes, and it's just it's so good. There's
so many cool references in it and just like hilarious
little like uh like things like uh.
Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And the.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Voice cast is just stacked beyond belief and weirdly enough,
like the Rock Dwayne Rock Johnson has a very small
fucking voice cameo, but also so does Roman Reigns and
see Him Punk because they play two character Zebra cops
called the Zebras, and they have very minimal lines and
(01:02:23):
if you didn't know that they're they who they were,
you'd almost wouldn't be able to tell by their voice.
But it just made me laugh. But they're so funny
and like there's there's a babe pig in the city reference,
there's uh or is it is? It is it Babe
in the Big City or is it Charlotte's Web That'll
(01:02:43):
do pig?
Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Is that Charlotte's Web?
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I doubt myself in the Babe in the.
Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Big City, right, Yeah, because Charlotte's.
Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
It's gotta be a babe. I think it's babe.
Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Yeah. Because they there's two wart hog cops and one
of them like tracks down somebody and he's like, good,
that'll do pig or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I was like, oh my god, that's so funny.
Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But then like Bob Iger voices a tiger. Bob Iger
is the CEO of of or yeah, CEO of Walt Disney. Uh,
and he makes he plays a weatherman, which is funny
because he got to start in the business as a weatherman. Yeah.
So that's a cool little reference. Yeah, there's a bunch
of stuff. It was just really funny movie, very well done.
(01:03:34):
And if you remember anything about the first one is
it has to do with like, well, and there's their
case species and and and and classifications and blah blah blah.
This one has to do with that too, but like
just brings another Like the first one is about predators
being predators and and whatever. Right, and then this one's
(01:03:54):
about reptiles, but just a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Really, you don't see any of the first yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
And then the post credit scene, which is a true
post credit scene, is setting up a third movie, which, uh,
when it happened, didn't dawn on me that we hadn't
hadn't seen those creatures yet in these movies, And I
was like, oh, okay, well let's see how they tie
that in. But yeah, it's just a it's just a
(01:04:24):
it's just a really fun movie in general. Super I
was laughing my ass off in that movie.
Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
So but that's it, I believe. So, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, i'd say so.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
I'm trying to think of anything else, but anything like that.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
So that's it for this week's episode of Comes Naturally.
We have been I've been Cody as usual. You fuckers
just came naturally.
Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Bye.
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