January 2, 2026 • 63 mins
This week kicks off with an engaging conversation between Joe and Cody, where Joe shares his thoughts and feelings about the much-anticipated ending of season one of "Welcome to Derry." He expresses how the finale not only met but exceeded his expectations, highlighting the intricate storytelling and character development that kept him on the edge of his seat. Joe delves into specific scenes that resonated with him, discussing the emotional weight they carried and how they set the stage for potential future developments in the series. As their discussion progresses, the guys shift gears to talk about the exciting array of trailers that have been released over the past week, generating buzz among fans and critics alike. First on their list is the newest teaser for "Avengers Doomsday," a film that promises to bring a fresh perspective to the beloved franchise. Joe and Cody speculate about the possible plotlines and character arcs that could unfold in this upcoming installment, particularly in relation to the overarching narrative that leads into the future sequel, "Avengers: Secret Wars." They ponder the implications of multiversal elements and the potential for unexpected character returns, reflecting on how these developments could reshape the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Next, the conversation takes a turn towards Christopher Nolan's latest project, "The Odyssey." Joe expresses his excitement about Nolan's unique storytelling style and how it often intertwines complex narratives with stunning visuals. They discuss the themes that are likely to be explored in the film, including the nature of heroism and the human condition, and how Nolan's previous works have set high expectations for this new endeavor. Finally, the discussion shifts to some surprising industry news regarding "The Talisman," a highly anticipated adaptation that fans have been eagerly awaiting. Joe and Cody share their thoughts on the recent announcement that The Duffer Brothers, known for their successful work on "Stranger Things," are no longer attached to the project. They analyze the potential impact of this change on the adaptation's direction and quality, considering the Duffer Brothers' unique storytelling approach and how their absence might influence the film’s development. The guys reflect on the challenges of adapting such a beloved novel and what this news could mean for fans who have been looking forward to seeing the story come to life on screen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Green thumb.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, because I'm not any android.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's a green bubble. But I get you whatever suckers.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Up.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Bump bumpa, he says.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Close out eye messages so I don't have to look
at TAJA's stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I was gonna text mess I was gonna message back, Hey,
are you joining us? Knowing all these not joining us?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Maybe he wanted to when I was up.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
To you, then.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Nah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You are the one that has the ability to m
has the ability to invite people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Huh, that's true. I do have that ability. I'm not
going to invite him. But fair enough. I don't even
know what that is. Flowers shooting rainbows, a flower person
(01:24):
shooting rainbows. I don't know what that is. Uh, what's up, buddy?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Nothing? What's up with you?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know, hanging out having fun? Are you not? Really?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah? Somebody's on a walk. He work schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Stupid, It's fine, it's fine, No big deal, no big deal,
just messes everything up, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Right. So, how was your week.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Again? It flew by real fast?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, especially with Christmas, like just sprinkled.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right in there, just jam right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I was off for three days. But damn yeah, they
don't want us bothering people during Christmas time fair enough,
just the days before and after.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I guess makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's not a whole lot of people want us, like
in their house from their family and stuff over. So yeah,
makes sense unless it's like a dire need of like
you know, refrigerator's not working or some nonsense like that the.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oven's not working.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, that was a funny.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
One during Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's my favorite during Thanks given, Hey my and
stop working just now, like just now, or because like
uh oh, or have you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Been sitting on this for a while and you decided
to just get it picks now?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, definitely that ladder for sure. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hm. So you finally caught up on Welcome to.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Dairy Nothing, I'm not caught up on nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I'm not caught up on stranger things either, yet.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I caught up a goddamn thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, unfortunate. Welcome to Darry was real good. I heard,
real good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I did see a cool picture of Penny Wise with
like the la ladder the bottom part of his faces
covered in blood. I was like Jesus, Yeah, yep, that happened.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That happened.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There's a lot of really cool stuff in there too
that yeah, I'm I would say I'm a fan of.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It and Stephen King and whatnot. But there's a lot
of stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
If you're not really super paying attention to, like people
and names and stuff, you up up until like the
one big thing happens and you're like, wait what, Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Shit, I didn't know that, Like wait a minute, wait
a minute, hold up one second. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So that'll be fun for you to catch up on
and and see.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I seem to sit down and actually watch actual
television mm hmm, not spend twenty minutes looking at YouTube
videos and then fucking off and doing whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, pretty much. I know that can be me sometimes too.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's like I should sit down and do something productive. Anyway,
here's an hour long episode of something I'm not gonna
pay attention to because I'm on my iPad as well.
Attention span.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Attention one now what who? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What? You sent a trailer for something to? Didn't you
that I.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Sent a trailer for a couple of things, I think.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, I know, but the only one thing that I
watched and actually cared about.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh okay, that's fair. That's a good thing. I sent
all those, So.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You have to upsetting stuff otherwise, you know, how am
I going to find out what I liked?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I sent the Odyssey trailer. That's what I watched, I said,
a random clip from Spawn. I didn't watch that, the
Avengers June Day teaser, one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not too I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Am I at the point where I've been at the
point for a while I think with that stuff where
I start to agree with Mike. I know, Mike kind
of got off the rails, got off the train, the
Marvel hype train very early.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh, I kind of don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, there's a lot of people who don't care, and
the people who do care are just just terrible, toxic
human beings who just want to complain about stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I suppose one of the worst parts is that
I don't know if it was a leak, because again,
I don't really care that that I saw that. They're like, oh,
Chris Evans is coming back as Captain American. I'm just like,
all right, that okay. So now we're where we are
in full on well I shouldn't say we're in full
(06:34):
on comic book territory. We don't know if it's you know,
him coming back from the dead essentially. Could it's probably
just you know, it could just be another universe Captain America.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But still it's like, okay, we're still in that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We're now in that that phase of like, hey, we're
kind of floundering.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Bring back the.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Original guys, you know, that's what it feels like. Someone'll
see I would say we'll see, but I probably won't
see it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Watch.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I haven't actually watched a Marvel thing since halfway through
the New Daredevil.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Halfway through the New Daredevil.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I kind of petered out on that. I'm saying there's
anything bad with it. It's actually really good. It's just
just got halfway through it and just never got the
time at the at the time that I was watching
it to finish it out, and just have never gotten
back to the watching it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So, yeah, I'm not exactly one or her percent thrilled
about it. About Doomsday, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't trust anything I see to the truth. Yeah,
because these are the same motherfuckers that gave us multiple
trailers with really cool action scenes for Endgame, and we
never got them in the actual like movie, So I
don't trust anything that they're putting out.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And that's a good point, not what I was thinking
of when I when I said what that you know, uh,
we never know who the Chris Evans could be, but
that is a good point of like this could be.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
A you know, just something to to.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Tease people with of like oh, Captain members uh Steve
Steve Evans, Chris Evans is back and it's like, nah, gotcha, bitch,
Or it could just be like he's a he's literally
just a cameo of like a video or something that
someone's playing as like a home movie.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They're like, hey, remember you know Chris Evans. Sorry, remember
Steve Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Whatever it is, Chris Evans was Steve Rogers.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Or it could be they pull him from a universe
where it is Chris Evans playing Captain.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh my god, so meta.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right, because that hasn't been done before.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Not that this should be. You know, I'm gonna say
this because I read it and online and it sometimes
you know they're true. But someone did post that there
was a leak of the script what Tom Holland do.
Now I'm not too sure if it was Tom Holland
or somebody else basically, and again, take this agree of
(09:16):
salt could be fucking bullshit, because there's plenty of that
on the internet. But someone's pointed out a very interesting
fact about the people who of the the three trailers,
well two I know were supposed to be real. I
(09:37):
don't know that third one. But anyways, someone is saying
that there was a part of the script was leak
that was saying that the version of Doom we're getting,
which is a could be Tony, could be just a
relative who knows. Anyways, is punching through the multiverse and
(09:59):
taking out the heroes that would essentially be his downfall.
So like he would take out Cap, he would take
out thor he would take all these people because after
(10:20):
this movie is ah, did they change the name of
that one or is it still going to be Secret Wars? Anyways,
so it was said, and again I don't know how
true this is that Kevin Feige in an interview said
that the events that lead from Doomsday into Secret Wars
(10:43):
will reboot the DC or the d C, the m
c U. Well, I mean they're they're doing that on
their own right, well, not them, but their parent company
according to the Internet at least. But yeah, he's basically
he was saying something in lines of at the end
(11:03):
of Secret Wars, the reboot of the MCU will happen,
and that'll basically be all new people portraying characters that
we've already seen and not like a new Captain America
movie or whatever. But there may be a new person
(11:24):
in the role of Captain America, not Steve Rogers, not whatever. Right,
So they could like permanently kill them off essentially in
this set of movies. But the whole thing is they're
going to bring about the X Men and whatever else
that they want to do with the universe.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
How they'd explain the X Men.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You basically you forced the reboot of the whole thing,
and now since you own X Men, you could integrate
them back into the original stories.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, so you can basically bring in You can bring
in the existing ones from the Fox universe, the Brian
Singer and I guess you could throw Brett Ratner's name
in there, uh and uh and the what's his name
Matthew Vaughan movies. So the all this Fox ones, you
(12:16):
could bring them in. You could kill them all off
in their current states obviously, because like, you're not gonna
have Patrick Sewer come back for another set of movies
this far into his lifespan. Uh. So you would then
kill them, all those characters all off, and you would
introduce a new set of X Men, and they don't
(12:39):
have to be a Wolverine. I mean, obviously you could
but bring forth a newer team of X Men out
of whatever mess you have. But also you could bring
in a new version of Wolverine from a new universe, obviously,
and things like that. So that was the whole that
(12:59):
was one said that's what Kevin wanted to do. Is
that true? I don't know, but the one it just
goes to that interview saying that in the elked air
quotes script saying that this doctor Doom is literally punching
through the multiverse and killing off all these heroes that
(13:21):
he deems are a threat to him being able to
do whatever he is he's trying to do. And they're
saying that, like, I don't know if you've seen Fantastic
four or not yet, but Doom is teased, Oh, I
guess I would go saying, you haven't watched anything since
the first half of Dared Devil season one. But at
(13:42):
the end of Fantastic four First Steps, Doom is actually
featured in it, and he's seen interacting with the Sun
for Glynn Richards and basically saying that he is taking him.
(14:07):
And some people were saying, Oh, that's like, you know,
it's it's him trying to draw the Fantastic Four into
a trap or whatever, and I was like, well, if
they introduced the Fantastic Four in this movie and then
they kill them off, that'd be wild. That'd be like
so crazy. But I mean, who fucking knows, because if
(14:29):
they're gonna, you know, change everything around, it could be whatever.
But I did when I was watching the new Fantastic
Four movie for Steps, I saw shades of the evil
version of Read Richards coming about, because he's very like,
(14:52):
he doubts himself very highly in that movie about being
and basically like put trying to put on all the
world's problems on his own shoulders because in that world
there are no other superheroes in this again, this is
a universe where things like the pin particle haven't been discovered.
(15:15):
Technology has kind of stalled on certain things. Red has
developed interstellar rocket capabilities, but not like the ship can't
do it. It's a way to tap into an energy source.
In the comic books they called it zero point energy.
I think in this they don't actually state what it is.
(15:36):
It's basically just him being able to tap into some
way of basically traveling faster than the speed of light.
It was a cool it was a pretty cool look
to it as well. But then when they go to
confront Galactus, Galactus seas and scans Sue at the time
(15:59):
is pregnant and it's like, holy shit, I want that.
I want the baby. The baby is my wave for
whatever reason, way of getting off. Because in this the
version of Glactus they use is more of the classic one,
but he's kind of limited to what he can do
because he started off as a normal person, not a human,
(16:23):
but whatever alien race that he has is and starts
basically trying to and I can't remember where it came from,
what story it was, but basically this version of Glactus
kept improving him his body and his being and eventually
became much more and like essentially a living machine, but
(16:46):
needed so much resources to stay alive that he started
gobbling up planets for their resources to basically fuel himself.
But something about Franklin makes him think that he that
that he is the key to basically breaking free of
this power like power need that he has. And I
(17:09):
don't know if it's because he sees a future where
like Franklin knows how to create a power source that's
strong enough to keep him going without having devour planets
because it's more and more and like basically like his
little ship he has is he has to stay plugged
into it to stay alive until he has enough resources
to do whatever. And literally he's not even conquering planets
(17:31):
at this point. He's literally just killing them off to
satiate his power needs. So I don't know if that
plays into it. And again I don't know anything about it,
but I was saying this to one of the guys
at work. I was like, I don't trust anything I see,
anything I read, and not because of AI videos, because
there are a bunch of people making.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
There are a bunch of those pictures going around that
are just like, oh, look at all the people on set.
People are like no, that's AI. Yeah, Like the camera
doesn't make sense, this is makes sense, but it's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like glance at it to like, oh shit, that's a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, because there was like this one video that was
really cool and I was like, I don't think this
is real because I don't think they would. I don't
think that footage would be available yet. Is the reason why.
Because this wasn't like set footage, but it was like footage.
It looked like footage footage. And I because we're a
year out still, I don't think it's that that done yet.
(18:28):
But it was Captain Hydra oh okay, and he was
in the full garb. We had the the hydro logo.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He had the Hydra shield or repainted shield I think
is actually technically it's just a repaint on the shield.
He had the dark blue with the red and all
that fun stuff, and he had the Hydra logo on
his helmet and he jumped up and landed on a
building and like it was like one of those like
Captain America jumps where he jumps beyond what a normal
(18:58):
human being in the lands. Then you can see the
hydro logo on his shield and on his chest, and
I was like, I mean, it would be really cool
to see Doctor Doom finding all the evil versions of
these heroes, especially if he goes back and he stops
(19:19):
Cap from being cap you know what I mean? Even
if it's like, hey, I'm like, I'm like, because that's
saying the same thing. I was like thinking. If he
goes through and he takes real, he takes Franklin a
maiden's read would do anything in his power to get
him back, and it may flip him to the evil,
(19:41):
So he'd have the leader, right, not the leader father?
What they call him? What do you call himself? When
he was when he was bad? It wasn't the Leader
because that's the bad guy from.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Fantastic is one of those characters.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
But yeah, it was the the is it the Maker? God? Damn?
What was his name?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The Maker? I think with somebody else?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So you're gonna answer this question, will be looking for that. Yeah,
does does not Jack Jack have any powers? So like,
what is the reason? Do we know a reason.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Why Galactus wants him?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Does he show powers?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So Franklin is like super super like beyond smart, but
he has the ability to see. Does it manipulate energy
or is it sea energy? Oh, let me find out.
Franklin Richard's character from the Marvel universe, what is technically
(20:52):
his power? And obviously his powers have changed over.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Powers.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He's super smart. I know that his ability to rearrange
the molecular structure of matter and energy at will, that's
what it was andery. So that's why I think he
because he has at one point, I'm trying to see
if there's a thing for it. He creates a bunch
of different things. But he has the ability to, I
(21:29):
think even because it I don't know if it was
in I'm trying to remember if that was the ultimate
universe of the regular universe. Not that it matters, because
they can pull from anything they want for these movies.
But there was a story where he in the womb
he rearranged his matter. Oh yeah, and then he was
(21:53):
able to like like telepathically talk to his mom.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah. I vaguely remember reading that that story arc.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But he has because of that, he has the ability
to kind of do what Reid does to his body,
but also do what Sue does to his to her body,
but without any like the like, without having to elongate himself,
he can basically make part of it. He can make
himself bigger, he can add he can add mass by pulling.
(22:29):
I can't remember all if it was there's a lot
of different things he could do because he was altered.
His DNA is altered because of his parents. M At
one point, he like he took over the body of
the celestial or something to save his parents in the world.
(22:50):
I think, Damn, I can't remember what it was. It
doesn't matter. But yeah, there's been a bunch of things.
Let's see if I can find read Richard's alter ego
from the Ultimate Universe. Read Richard fantastic.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Um.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Read Richards in the Ultimate Universe. See if I can
find that one. Because he had a name when he
was bad, and he did it himself.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Of course he.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Would, because no one else is smart enough to give
him a different name.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well, he did. He made himself bad because he of
what he was trying to do. God, dang it. What
was his name?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Maker? I think it was actually the Maker?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is it the Maker? Because he went by the.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He was the main evil variant of Richards. Is the Maker?
Yea to google Ai.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, And he basically tortured and became the ultimate versions
of the Ultimate Universe's version of doctor. And he basically
like he brought about the He was the catalyst that
actually killed off the Ultimate Universe originally when Marvel did that,
(24:16):
wanted to end that and like basically make the the
Ultimate Universe go away. So they basically made a they
did Ultimate Invasion, they did Ultimate oh my god, what
was it called Ultimate something another where like the Blob
(24:42):
eight or Bit in half, the Wasp. I think at one.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Point I think I remember reading that issue as well.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, like there was like a big flood because doctor
Doom was able to switch the polls. No, no, I'm sorry,
I not talk to you. Magneto was able to switch
the polarity of the poles, which caused the flooding to
happen everywhere because the plan the planet was all fucked.
(25:14):
I think that is that one. I can't remember this
so many different ones. Yeah, he was the maker, is
what I thought. That's what I thought it was. And
he uh he basically was like pretty pretty terrible human
being for the most part. But the problem is that
he made this. He made this essentially like living like
(25:37):
an actual living AI. I know that sounds stupid, but
like this thing was like was birthed, like it was
like it he took ais and like somehow made these
machines make this. I don't know it was really hard
to explain because it's all fucking Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
That sounds hard to explain because it's not being explained
very well.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, I can't remember all it was. Basically he made
this machine each other, yeah, like the hard disks and stuff,
but it was like basically iterations of this machine basically
improving itself to where it basically was like this living
computer that like birthed itself with new hardware and stuff,
(26:19):
and it's so fun. It's been so long. It's right
next to me. I could pull it out and probably
find kind of but like the other way aroundtead of
like eating like the head eating its own tail. It
somehow birthed its own head out, but then it would
I don't know, it's it's been a while and I
(26:40):
could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure that's
what it was. You. He made this machine that like
basically gave him the ability to like super Community, like
basically look at all the different possibilities that think people
and things would happen, and then he would have like
the perfect solution, and then he used that to then
take over the Ultimate Universe, and then later on use
(27:02):
that to eliminate the Ultimate universe Ultimatum, That's what it was.
It was Ultimatum was where he where Magneto switched the poles,
because that was the ultimate universe. I was almost thinking
about Doom when he got Ahold of the Hammer, but
(27:26):
that was something else. But also there's God Doom, where
like he became a god essentially and at one point
rips the skeleton out of Thanos before Thanos can can
do anything, which was pretty rad. Plus God Doom had
a pretty dope ass outfit. It was like all white
and like platinum nice. Yeah, which really is not great
(27:52):
because it's gonna get dirty. Yeah right, but if you're
like super smart, you probably keep it clean with.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
But it can't get If your God Doom, then I
don't think dirt really.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is probably just make it so dirt, don't try, don't
get stuck to your materials.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah right, he's just you know, it's reading Scotch card.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah yeah. So anyways that those came out and I
don't trust any of it, so.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
The other stuff he said, like I said, the Odysseus
trailer was the only one I watched, like pretty cool. Yeah,
it made wonder as I was finishing watching it, Uh,
which came first?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
The Iliad or the Odyssey?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Uh? Wasn't it? Well, isn't it? Isn't the Odyssey part
of Iliad?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, it's always the Iliad and the Odyssey.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, what I mean? But isn't it doesn't?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, I guess it have to be the Iliod comes first, right,
because isn't.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You foundational epic poems from ancient Greece?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, because the Iliad is the yet is the story
of the war he goes to, right, and the Odyssey
is him coming back home.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Okay, here we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I mean, at least according to the Google AI, the
Iliad plot centers on the final weeks of the Trojan War,
focusing on the conflict between Greek hero Achilles and the
Trojan prince Hector, driven by achilles rage after the death
of his companion.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Patroclus, pat Patroclus.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
The Odyssey follows the Greek hero Odysseus as he endures
ten year journey home to Ithaca after the fall of Troy,
encountering monsters which is and other challenges. My only question
about it is we've had a few, uh movies really
about the Odyssey? How many movies have we seen the Iliad,
(29:59):
Like it seems like one of those things that you
could definitely make the Iliad and then like tease the
Odyssey right afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I mean, you're you're you're correct.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Like I get now having read the synopsis for it. Uh,
it doesn't really seem like they have necessarily the same
characters in it, Like maybe you would to see it shows.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Up in in the Iliad. I have no idea, but
it's like, especially then this day and age of a movie.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Sequels and whatnot, it seems like they could have done
something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Uh, you are correct, they could have. But I mean
if they're not completely joined, like if like one is
not directly, if it's like, if the Odyssey is not
a direct sequel or whatever or spin off from the Iliad,
then maybe that's why he wanted that. But also like
most people know the Odyssey better I think as a
(31:07):
story's not wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean, having you know, a bunch of movies made
of the Odyssey already, they probably know the Odyssey more.
Even googling this, I didn't realize the movie Troy was
the Iliad.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, because it's the battle is it's the.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Battle of Troy, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So because I could have swore he was at the
Battle of Troy that ended and he made his way back.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, that's what the plot says, is that having finished
you know, the the for the two weeks or whatever
it said in in Troy, he left to go back
to hit the cut and if I recall it, it's
in a while since I've actually known the plot of
the actual story, but he'd like somehow curses Poseidon or
(31:58):
whatever it is, and then just gets like the big
finger from the god to wander around the the sea
for like ten years or something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, basically he throws pretty much everything he could possibly
imagine at him on his way home, like he's a, hey,
fuck you, Bud, I did nail that.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It's his ten year journey.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
We'll see you. They're good, buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Literally a genius there.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
M that's not what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm trying to see if I can find the thing
that gives me the characters involved in the Iliad. Oh,
does help people spell iliad correctly? This time?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You're actually yea.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The al had characterist from spark Notes close up where
just Christ pop ups go fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Uh okay, well.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Uh Achiles h Agham Agham, mom, Mom, Like I've heard
that that Nate and I just it was tripping over it.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Also called treaties. That's how it's pronounced, the treaties a
t r I d yes at a treaties.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's probably a treatise. Yeah, it's most likely where.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
From Dune? Yeah, where Dune got it from?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Uh Odysseus, I know I've seen this word before, Diomedes.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Also called tide. Sure, the great Ajax is in here.
Deadpoole just shows up and starts out.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Little a Jax is in here too, the son maybe
I don't know, uh Nestor, medalists.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Nis.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Ma, Colchis, Peleus, Phoenix. There's a lot of people in here.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So yes, it does sound like there are some characters
like Odysseus does.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Show up in the Iliad, so yeah, so must be
the So that's what I'm saying the sequel.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Who played Like, Okay, so Troy the movie, did somebody
play Odysseus.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'm pretty sure we got him in that, but it wasn't.
He wasn't involved in the actual was he in the raid?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Mmmm, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Actually Brad played Achilles, Eric Banner, Hector, Orlando Bloom, Paris,
Diane Krueger, Helen, Brian.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Cott, Oh, Sean Bean did.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I was just about to get to that. I command one.
That's who Bran Coxean played. O. Huh, but he doesn't die.
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, it's because his story is not over in the
and Troy. It's a little snippet of his of it.
I forge you forget how many fucking people are in
this goddamn movie.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
She was I only like eight people down, and it's like,
you know, I actually media all I know Brad Pitt,
Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Diane Krueger, Brian Cox, Sean.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Bean, Brendan Gleeson. You should have Brendan Gleeson.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Not off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
But his son is a Jackie. No, that would be
that would would be weird. Uh, his son is Donell
Gleason played in many things, but he was the He
was in the newer Star Wars movies as the main
dude of the First Order.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, yeah, I know who that is. I've heard of
Peter Peter Ro too well.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You should have. Yeah, Garrett Huntland, I forgot was in
that movie too. Saffron Burrows, Jesus, there are so many people.
Tyler Mayne, I forgot who was on it too. That's funny.
Play well plays as Jack's actually fits very well. Nathan Jones. Yeah,
(36:56):
so you know Odysseus, I'm saying, like he shows up
in this.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
They could have made us this a sequel thing.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They could have been like the maker were actually making
the Iliad and then boom, where it is. We already
made the honesty. We we Peter Jackson, this bitch, so
we made it all in one.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Maybe maybe this is Christopher Nolan sticking it back to
him because he they originally gave him Troy and then
took Troy away from him, and I was like, you
know what, fuck you, I'm gonna make a pseudo sequel.
Maybe and instead of using Sean Bean, who dies in everything,
(37:39):
I'm gonna use Matt Damon, who doesn't die in everything,
who doesn't die in most things except for the Martian
or not the Martian. Uh. He put the last other
Christopher Nolan movies in Tenant, non Tennant, What the fucking
Space one? Interstellar? Right? He was he was, he was
(38:01):
He was essentially the villain.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
The villain, Like, oh my god, Matt Damon's in this movie.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That and this is That's the thing with Christopher Nolan,
Like I expect to see people in this movie that
I didn't know that we're in this movie, not because
he announced the cast like fifteen years ago or whatever, right,
and the fact that he gave us a teaser trailer
a year before, or a teaser trailer before year before
it came out. Then a teaser trailer I should say,
gave us a teaser a year before it comes out
(38:29):
to sell tickets. That a teaser trailer six months before
the actual movie comes out. And when you look at
that teaser trailer at the end and it lists all
the people, you're like, who the fuck is not in
this movie? And then you got to think, oh, there's
someone he's not showing in this and we're like, holy dang, like,
god damn, he's in it. Look at that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And I almost half expect now at this point in time,
because you mean mentioned Tenant and it's like, oh, is
uh Denzel Washington Junior gonna be in it? Uh fucking
Mermaid masturbator in it.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Come on that excuse me, mermaid masturbator?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Is that the title you gave somebody you do?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Not from the Lighthouse. I think it was called the Lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, well that's I mean, oh wait, so are you
talking about Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Robert Pattinson, Yeah, because he was in.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Because technically he's also William Dafoe is a made masturbator
because they're technically the same person.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, but still that's that's the character of getting it.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, gotcha. As far as I'm aware, I would have
thought you would have said, Battinson, no, that's too easy.
But then you're like, oh no, I'm going to take
the obscure one that people are like, no, I knew
what you were talking about. But I was like, I
didn't know Joe knew what that was. So that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I have an our tour sometimes, especially when involves Willem Defoe,
and you know, because that was also coming slightly after
Lost City of z Whatever, which I remember watching and
this is my that's my first movie of actually watching
anything of Robert Pattinson's because it's after he did the
(40:22):
Twilight series, and that's where I realized like, oh shit,
this kid.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Actually can app He's done a few things where like
oh shit.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And then from there, I want to say, something else
came out. Maybe it was the what was it called
the Lighthouse?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh yeah, Lighthouse was the one.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
The Lighthouse.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, you see that, and you're like, well, this is
like one of those weird trippy I'm going to try
and win a not even like a mainstream award. I'm
just trying to win a a Can's Fit of Film
festival type award for weirdness.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And it's just like, well, I'm gonna watch it, and
it was Look, I still don't know exactly if I
understood what went on.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
In that movie.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
There's a lot of masturbation.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It was a lot of masturbation exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Oh Jimmy Christmas. There is truly so many people in
this fucking movie. It is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Dude, The.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Hathaway, Robert Pattinson, Pete Nagano, Zendaia,
Charlie Staron, John Barenthal, Benny Sadief, John Zamo, what the fu?
Yeah dude, yeah, dude. Maybe maybe the next thing he'll
(41:49):
do is a spawn movie. That'll have Donamo back as
the Violator. One can only hope Heims Patel mi a Off,
Elliott Page, Bill Irwin, Samantha Morton, Jesse Garcia. I mean,
there's just there's so many people, and half of these
don't even have fucking character names. There's undisclosed support roles.
(42:13):
You're in the movie, and it's just gonna be like,
what when did I film this?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
When did I feel this? It's a surprise to me.
You're like, surprise you're in this, Like, I don't remember
this at all.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Do I get a paycheck? No, damn it. I get
a credit though, So that's fine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
No, it's not speaking, not speaking part.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
God, damn it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Always you show up in the background.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Let's see, the premise says, which obviously shouldn't shock anybody
with the premise of this is. But the premise says.
The Odyssey follows Odysseus, the legendary Greek king of Ithaca,
on his long and perilous journey home following the Trojan War,
chronicling his encounters with mythical beings such as the Cyclops, Polly, Polyphemius,
(43:03):
sure Sirens in a witch goddess. H. Circe while attempting
to reunite with his wife Penelope, who's played by Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Would be funny. If they got what's her name to
come back and play serious.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Well, Lena Headley would be pretty fun It was a
different type of Greek movie.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Dope, it just still be funny, and still hire her
her husband, her ex husband to have a role next
to her.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
So who plays Agam? And mom? Oh, Benny Steve plays
Agam in mom?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
My question is who?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Who?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Who? Ah? Who does Spider Man play his son?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh? Okay, Telemachus? I think his name is.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I wonder how much was he with them during the journey?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
He so he stayed home because he was he was
just born.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, okay, and must not have much of it.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, because if I remember correctly, the story goes like this.
Before he can become of age, which I think is
supposed to be twenty one, Okay, Odysseus is supposed to
make his way home, but because of something he says
to angers Poseidon, Poseidon takes what would have been like
(44:27):
a three week or six week journey ten years. Yeah,
and he does, and he does, and only he doesn't
make it ten years. He just makes it last ten
years because of all the shape keeps thrown at him.
But at the age of twenty, I think is when
his son has to leave to go find his father,
(44:51):
because if he doesn't, because at this point everyone thinks
he's dead and he doesn't believe he is. And he
gets told by somebody, and I don't know if it's
another odd or a demigod or something tells him, oh,
your father's not dead, but he is lost at sea.
And I think that's actually employed too, because I don't
(45:12):
think that person's being completely honest. But he has to
go because at that point his mother is getting a
bunch of suitors. And to delay the suitors because she
wants to she doesn't want to just pick somebody. She
also doesn't want to marry any of them. They design
a bunch of Yeah, she devises a bunch of tasks
(45:33):
they have to do, and they're essentially games to whittle
them down to like the last few, and then she's
going to have a contest to the crown the like
most worthy or whatever. And so she devises all these
giving her son time to go find his father. That
could be wrong, parts of it could be right, and
(45:55):
I don't fully remember, because I read The Odyssey when
I was in like junior high and that is a
long time ago.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's one of those things I want to read, but
I don't think it's available on Whisper Sync.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
A version of it might be.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's what I'm looking at right now, paperback, see all
the formats. Hope that doesn't help me.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oh yeah, the Talisman's dead.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Oh that sucks so much. What's what happened there?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So apparently, according to what I saw, they just couldn't
in a in a they I think they had a
certain amount of time to be able to develop a
not a pitch, because they already pitched it, develop the
story to then get it greenlit, but they couldn't crack it.
(46:59):
I think it fell on them more than like Netflix
saying no, because I don't know if you know this,
Netflix does not say no too often.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
No, like a film of a turd just sitting there,
and then probably get five six seasons of it because.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It's cheap to make.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, so I think they I think they got to
a point where they could not make it work the
way they wanted to. And I don't know if that's
because they needed to fit it in a certain because
I've been hearing a lot of people saying like Netflix
(47:38):
wants a minimum of three and a maximum of five
seasons of anywhere from eight to ten episodes each, Okay,
and that's what they want because they want to be
able to pace a show out. But also I think
they wanted, like, they don't want things to run longer
than they should. But the Duffer has had a hard
(48:00):
time either stretching it out to fit that or making
it fit it is super dumb, but if you look
at it, I think if you look at Netflix and
their run times for things, it makes a lot of sense.
And I think the Duffers had more freedom with this
season of Stranger Things because they knew they wanted to
(48:21):
end it, and Netflix said, instead of like making things longer,
why don't you do what you need to with these
eight episodes right and make them whatever length you want.
Because a previous episode of this podcast, we talked about
the lengths that were out and those are actually incorrect.
(48:42):
Right before Wednesday, when they dropped, it came out that
the actual run times of episode five, six, and seven
weren't what they originally were because apparently the Duffers were
actually editing.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
It still sore les less.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
So originally they were I think almost all of them
about an hour and a half each. Yeah, they actually
now clock in just under an hour and ten minutes
for all three, not for all three each one is
like there's like an hour four, an hour six, and
an hour eight I think is what it was, or
I can't remember exactly word, but yeah, So they were
(49:23):
eliminiting things in. From what I read is it wasn't
cut for time, it was cut for story. They they
they had stuff that was dragging out too long that
they didn't enjoy and because they were working on us
for so long that they're like, hey, we have we
(49:44):
think we can tell the story we want with a
lot of other fluff that doesn't need to be in here,
which I thank them.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
For, right, I can appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, and they are officially doing a spin off from
the From the Stranger Things, but it doesn't have to
do with any of the main characters we have. Well,
according to what they said, it is a character that
is not indirect or is indirectly tied to the show
currently does not take place in Hawkins, Indiana, and isn't
(50:17):
technically about the upside down fair enough, but they already
have a plan for it, and unfortunately, I think that
was maybe what killed off Talisman. But they're at this point,
they're tight lips. Yeah, they basically said, let me see
if I can pull up this article and see if
the quote they said, I don't need your exp you're
(50:43):
telling me what Talison's about to know what it is about.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
It's an interesting thing to think about how you're saying
Netflix wants, you know, multiple seasons, and they want like
at least eight episodes.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Why are we still stuck in the day and age
of seasons?
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Because why why.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Haven't we evolved in digital media to the point of
it doesn't have to be a season. It just has
to be a cohesive story. Whether you want to tell
it over a we call it a mini series, you
know whatever. But if you want to tell it over
the course of three episodes that are hour long each
one movie that's that's three hours long, or if you
(51:26):
want to have a longer story and you don't have seasons,
you just make it.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
But you make the story.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, you can still call that a season, but that's
just because you have to go back and re in
make the you know, the further, the further seasons. Yeah,
but why do we have to stick to this and
that season could be like twenty episodes long, Like why
do we have to stick to this like rubric of
like you know, it has to have eight it has
to have eight episodes, and that's a season. It's like, no,
(52:01):
let's just let creators do what they want. And if
it's a half hour long, it's a half hour long.
If it's forty five minutes long, hour long, whatever it is.
If it's five episodes, eight episodes, twenty episodes, that's a season.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, you should be telling to
your point, You should be telling the story you want
in that timeframe. Now, if the story you're going to
tell is broken down into three parts, and those three
parts one part is six episodes, one of them is
(52:35):
eleven and the other one is fifteen, then you should do.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
It that way. Yeah, I'm thinking specifically, book adaptations will
take the expanse exactly for that. Why if one book
is three hundred pages long, then make a season, make
that one book a whole season, and make it.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Whatever makes sense for a three hundred page book. But
if the next book came out, it's six.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Hundred pages long. Well, then make that season that that
tells the story of that book makes sense for a
six hundred page book. Maybe it's fifteen episodes long. Yeah,
but you literally have the ability to do that. You're
not constrained to a time slot. So I just don't
(53:22):
understand why we haven't gotten to that point where somebody
has just been like, you know what, let's try that,
Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
All right, here's the quote that they have. So, while
speaking with CBR Comic Book resource Ross Duffer, one of
their brothers said, sadly, talisman is no longer at Netflix.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
So no longer at Netflix. Yeah, it sounds like maybe
they did take too long and the rights kind.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Of faltered, faltered, there we go, and he said, continue on, saying,
so we're not involved. Matt then admitted so the other
Duffer brother said, I think it was probably naive of
us to think we could break the talisman, which is
actually funny because it's a reference to the talisman itself. Hilarious. Then, yeah,
(54:15):
Rosston explained, when I interned when I was really you know,
back at college at Kennedy Marshall, which apparently is the
college they went to I guess or he went to
I remember reading it was a movie script for the Talisman.
So is a development forever because he was in college
(54:37):
a while again apparently, and then says it's been developed forever,
So I'm sorry that we are no longer are not
the ones to break the curse again a reference to it,
and then that added it will be whoever does and
cracks it, referring to making the story to he for
(55:01):
whatever medium or I should say not whatever medium, whatever
form of media they tend, they will go through. Because
at this point, and we talked about this before, Stephen
is taking a break after the next two things he has,
(55:21):
and one of those things he has is the third
book in the Talisman series, because you have Twsman, you
have Black House, and then whatever this third one is,
and it's just based on an idea that him and
Peter Strob had when they wrote the first two, and
(55:41):
so he is developing that into it. I think whoever
has the rights or whoever gets at next, because it
might have just faltered and gone back to Stephen or
even Peter Straub's family, whoever gets that next potentially has
the Talisman. If that does well enough, Blackhouse, and then
(56:08):
whatever this third one's called, and whoever has that potentially
has a tie in to the Dark Tower because all
the first two, I'm guessing the third one because that's
what Stephen had mentioned was he wants to wrap up
the last remaining story untold story thread within the Dark
(56:35):
Tower series because his version of the Dark Tower has ended,
which we all know, by the way, spoiler if anybody
hasn't read the Dark Tower series doesn't actually end. But
the story he was telling, which was that iteration of
Roland going to the Dark Tower, that ended, but within
(56:58):
that a character or a sequence of things happened that
actually spill into another story that him and Peter Strobe wrote,
which is The Talisman and eventually Black House and whatever
this third one is, because you find out that the
main character from The Talisman, when he was younger, it
(57:20):
was found out that he was a gun slinger or
destined to be a gun slinger. And another character that
you meet in Talisman you find out is a gun
slinger and actually knew Roland and was fought alongside Roland
at one point. Because again we don't even know where
(57:46):
about this, like the one that we the Adventure, we
went on with Roland. We don't know where that falls in, right, He.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Could be doing this for hundreds of years. Yeah, he
doesn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, because he doesn't even realize there's a little bit
of spark. There's people who say that at the end
of Dark Tower and he awakens and he has the
horn with him, he's starting to remember certain things. But
also if you go back to I think it's the
wolf's of Cola or it's the wind. No, I think
it's wolves. He mentions how he can't help but think
(58:25):
he's done things like this before, right, And it's because
he has, and we find that out at the end,
is you know, because when he wakens back up, I
don't think it specifically says he's whole again, like he
has the full functioning of his hands. But it's at
the beginning point, right, because the.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Last line of the book is literally the first line
of the series.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, and it's basically realized. It's him starting over again
with whatever this cursed life that he is in this.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, he could find the one thing that that actually.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Which I don't think is actually up to him, but right,
I think he's stuck in someone else's loop. Which actually
might be Jake's loop, who knows. But also there was
someone I read this a while ago, and I don't
know if I talked to you about it in the
I r L which is the dumb wayt thing, because
in real life that I was reading on a subreddit,
(59:31):
I think I did talk to you about it, because
I found that like weird ass fucking flow chart of
people putting the like not only the Stephen King books
all together, like how they're all connected, but that like
basically the timeline that is someone mentioned somewhere like at
one point the Wizard and Glass story is not technically
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the same timeline that the rest of the Dark Tower
guns in, because he loses his father's guns but then
has them when he's telling the story of that time.
That is a detail that I do not remember, because
at one point he loses the guns and he has
(01:00:18):
a different set of guns, but yet when he's in
telling Susannah and them the story, he has his father's
guns again, which means that's a different loop, right. But
then someone else pointed out the fact that when he
was doing the events of Wizard and Glass, his father
(01:00:39):
was technically still alive because he was out as a
gun slinger.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
So I don't know again if that's true or not,
or if that's just someone hypothesizes ing about it. But anyways,
that's what I remember reading not too long ago, but
I digress. Tausman, as of right now, is dead at Netflix,
and the Duffers are no longer attached to it, which
sucks because I think they would have done really good
(01:01:09):
job with it, which is hilarious because it is actually
about a young boy flipping to a alternate reality. So
very much, sir, Yeah, yeah twice over. I guess you
really say, because oh the other thing too, did you see?
I don't. You're not on social media nearly as much
(01:01:31):
as me on on social social media. You're on what
I would arguely say is probably the better version of
social media, which is like Reddit and and dig and
stuff like that. Yeah. But uh, there's this big thing
where people are like, oh, we should have known, like
(01:01:53):
Vecna showed up in episode one of season one, and
then like they're pinpointing the fact that, like the figure
that appears in front of Will on his bike ride
back to his house that scares him into the woods,
Everyone's like, oh, that's Vecna. But then it's pointed out
that it's actually just a dema Gorgan because the demo
(01:02:15):
Gorgon because the the image you see it looks like
he had the black and silhouette that's in front of
him has one hand that has elongated fingers, but it's
actually just the fact that the other hand is not
turned down and so these fingers look longer and claw like.
(01:02:36):
And I was like, will your people are stupid because
that wasn't Vecna. It was a fucking demo Gorgan unless
they go back and they re edit that to have
VECN in it. But I don't think it was because
even the stature of it didn't look like Vecnet looked
like a demo Gorgan. AnyWho. Yeah, they put walkie talkies
in their hands, in their hands, sud.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Stinson, is is that it? And you're like, okay, I
didn't know. He's the forst ghost and here too.
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I think that's it for this week's episode. That is
all I have. Okay, So that's it for this week's episode.
Comes to Ashley. Uh, we have been Ivan Cody, and
as usual, you fuckers just came naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Bye.
Green thumb.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, because I'm not any android.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's a green bubble. But I get you whatever suckers.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Up.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Bump bumpa, he says.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Close out eye messages so I don't have to look
at TAJA's stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I was gonna text mess I was gonna message back, Hey,
are you joining us? Knowing all these not joining us?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Maybe he wanted to when I was up.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
To you, then.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Nah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You are the one that has the ability to m
has the ability to invite people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Huh, that's true. I do have that ability. I'm not
going to invite him. But fair enough. I don't even
know what that is. Flowers shooting rainbows, a flower person
(01:24):
shooting rainbows. I don't know what that is. Uh, what's up, buddy?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Nothing? What's up with you?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You know, hanging out having fun? Are you not? Really?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah? Somebody's on a walk. He work schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Stupid, It's fine, it's fine, No big deal, no big deal,
just messes everything up, I know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Right. So, how was your week.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Again? It flew by real fast?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, especially with Christmas, like just sprinkled.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Right in there, just jam right in the middle.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I was off for three days. But damn yeah, they
don't want us bothering people during Christmas time fair enough,
just the days before and after.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I guess makes sense.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
That's not a whole lot of people want us, like
in their house from their family and stuff over. So yeah,
makes sense unless it's like a dire need of like
you know, refrigerator's not working or some nonsense like that the.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oven's not working.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, that was a funny.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
One during Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, it's my favorite during Thanks given, Hey my and
stop working just now, like just now, or because like
uh oh, or have you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Been sitting on this for a while and you decided
to just get it picks now?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, definitely that ladder for sure. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Hm. So you finally caught up on Welcome to.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Dairy Nothing, I'm not caught up on nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, I'm not caught up on stranger things either, yet.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I caught up a goddamn thing.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, unfortunate. Welcome to Darry was real good. I heard,
real good.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I did see a cool picture of Penny Wise with
like the la ladder the bottom part of his faces
covered in blood. I was like Jesus, Yeah, yep, that happened.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That happened.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
There's a lot of really cool stuff in there too
that yeah, I'm I would say I'm a fan of.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It and Stephen King and whatnot. But there's a lot
of stuff in there.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
If you're not really super paying attention to, like people
and names and stuff, you up up until like the
one big thing happens and you're like, wait what, Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Shit, I didn't know that, Like wait a minute, wait
a minute, hold up one second. Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
So that'll be fun for you to catch up on
and and see.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, I seem to sit down and actually watch actual
television mm hmm, not spend twenty minutes looking at YouTube
videos and then fucking off and doing whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, pretty much. I know that can be me sometimes too.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's like I should sit down and do something productive. Anyway,
here's an hour long episode of something I'm not gonna
pay attention to because I'm on my iPad as well.
Attention span.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Attention one now what who? What the fuck?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
What? You sent a trailer for something to? Didn't you
that I.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Sent a trailer for a couple of things, I think.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, I know, but the only one thing that I
watched and actually cared about.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh okay, that's fair. That's a good thing. I sent
all those, So.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You have to upsetting stuff otherwise, you know, how am
I going to find out what I liked?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I sent the Odyssey trailer. That's what I watched, I said,
a random clip from Spawn. I didn't watch that, the
Avengers June Day teaser, one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not too I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Am I at the point where I've been at the
point for a while I think with that stuff where
I start to agree with Mike. I know, Mike kind
of got off the rails, got off the train, the
Marvel hype train very early.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Uh, I kind of don't care.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, there's a lot of people who don't care, and
the people who do care are just just terrible, toxic
human beings who just want to complain about stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And I suppose one of the worst parts is that
I don't know if it was a leak, because again,
I don't really care that that I saw that. They're like, oh,
Chris Evans is coming back as Captain American. I'm just like,
all right, that okay. So now we're where we are
in full on well I shouldn't say we're in full
(06:34):
on comic book territory. We don't know if it's you know,
him coming back from the dead essentially. Could it's probably
just you know, it could just be another universe Captain America.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
But still it's like, okay, we're still in that.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We're now in that that phase of like, hey, we're
kind of floundering.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Bring back the.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Original guys, you know, that's what it feels like. Someone'll
see I would say we'll see, but I probably won't
see it.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Watch.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I haven't actually watched a Marvel thing since halfway through
the New Daredevil.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Halfway through the New Daredevil.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I kind of petered out on that. I'm saying there's
anything bad with it. It's actually really good. It's just
just got halfway through it and just never got the
time at the at the time that I was watching
it to finish it out, and just have never gotten
back to the watching it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So, yeah, I'm not exactly one or her percent thrilled
about it. About Doomsday, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I don't trust anything I see to the truth. Yeah,
because these are the same motherfuckers that gave us multiple
trailers with really cool action scenes for Endgame, and we
never got them in the actual like movie, So I
don't trust anything that they're putting out.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
And that's a good point, not what I was thinking
of when I when I said what that you know, uh,
we never know who the Chris Evans could be, but
that is a good point of like this could be.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
A you know, just something to to.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Tease people with of like oh, Captain members uh Steve
Steve Evans, Chris Evans is back and it's like, nah, gotcha, bitch,
Or it could just be like he's a he's literally
just a cameo of like a video or something that
someone's playing as like a home movie.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They're like, hey, remember you know Chris Evans. Sorry, remember
Steve Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Whatever it is, Chris Evans was Steve Rogers.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Or it could be they pull him from a universe
where it is Chris Evans playing Captain.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Oh my god, so meta.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Right, because that hasn't been done before.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Not that this should be. You know, I'm gonna say
this because I read it and online and it sometimes
you know they're true. But someone did post that there
was a leak of the script what Tom Holland do.
Now I'm not too sure if it was Tom Holland
or somebody else basically, and again, take this agree of
(09:16):
salt could be fucking bullshit, because there's plenty of that
on the internet. But someone's pointed out a very interesting
fact about the people who of the the three trailers,
well two I know were supposed to be real. I
(09:37):
don't know that third one. But anyways, someone is saying
that there was a part of the script was leak
that was saying that the version of Doom we're getting,
which is a could be Tony, could be just a
relative who knows. Anyways, is punching through the multiverse and
(09:59):
taking out the heroes that would essentially be his downfall.
So like he would take out Cap, he would take
out thor he would take all these people because after
(10:20):
this movie is ah, did they change the name of
that one or is it still going to be Secret Wars? Anyways,
so it was said, and again I don't know how
true this is that Kevin Feige in an interview said
that the events that lead from Doomsday into Secret Wars
(10:43):
will reboot the DC or the d C, the m
c U. Well, I mean they're they're doing that on
their own right, well, not them, but their parent company
according to the Internet at least. But yeah, he's basically
he was saying something in lines of at the end
(11:03):
of Secret Wars, the reboot of the MCU will happen,
and that'll basically be all new people portraying characters that
we've already seen and not like a new Captain America
movie or whatever. But there may be a new person
(11:24):
in the role of Captain America, not Steve Rogers, not whatever. Right,
So they could like permanently kill them off essentially in
this set of movies. But the whole thing is they're
going to bring about the X Men and whatever else
that they want to do with the universe.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
How they'd explain the X Men.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You basically you forced the reboot of the whole thing,
and now since you own X Men, you could integrate
them back into the original stories.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, so you can basically bring in You can bring
in the existing ones from the Fox universe, the Brian
Singer and I guess you could throw Brett Ratner's name
in there, uh and uh and the what's his name
Matthew Vaughan movies. So the all this Fox ones, you
(12:16):
could bring them in. You could kill them all off
in their current states obviously, because like, you're not gonna
have Patrick Sewer come back for another set of movies
this far into his lifespan. Uh. So you would then
kill them, all those characters all off, and you would
introduce a new set of X Men, and they don't
(12:39):
have to be a Wolverine. I mean, obviously you could
but bring forth a newer team of X Men out
of whatever mess you have. But also you could bring
in a new version of Wolverine from a new universe, obviously,
and things like that. So that was the whole that
(12:59):
was one said that's what Kevin wanted to do. Is
that true? I don't know, but the one it just
goes to that interview saying that in the elked air
quotes script saying that this doctor Doom is literally punching
through the multiverse and killing off all these heroes that
(13:21):
he deems are a threat to him being able to
do whatever he is he's trying to do. And they're
saying that, like, I don't know if you've seen Fantastic
four or not yet, but Doom is teased, Oh, I
guess I would go saying, you haven't watched anything since
the first half of Dared Devil season one. But at
(13:42):
the end of Fantastic four First Steps, Doom is actually
featured in it, and he's seen interacting with the Sun
for Glynn Richards and basically saying that he is taking him.
(14:07):
And some people were saying, Oh, that's like, you know,
it's it's him trying to draw the Fantastic Four into
a trap or whatever, and I was like, well, if
they introduced the Fantastic Four in this movie and then
they kill them off, that'd be wild. That'd be like
so crazy. But I mean, who fucking knows, because if
(14:29):
they're gonna, you know, change everything around, it could be whatever.
But I did when I was watching the new Fantastic
Four movie for Steps, I saw shades of the evil
version of Read Richards coming about, because he's very like,
(14:52):
he doubts himself very highly in that movie about being
and basically like put trying to put on all the
world's problems on his own shoulders because in that world
there are no other superheroes in this again, this is
a universe where things like the pin particle haven't been discovered.
(15:15):
Technology has kind of stalled on certain things. Red has
developed interstellar rocket capabilities, but not like the ship can't
do it. It's a way to tap into an energy source.
In the comic books they called it zero point energy.
I think in this they don't actually state what it is.
(15:36):
It's basically just him being able to tap into some
way of basically traveling faster than the speed of light.
It was a cool it was a pretty cool look
to it as well. But then when they go to
confront Galactus, Galactus seas and scans Sue at the time
(15:59):
is pregnant and it's like, holy shit, I want that.
I want the baby. The baby is my wave for
whatever reason, way of getting off. Because in this the
version of Glactus they use is more of the classic one,
but he's kind of limited to what he can do
because he started off as a normal person, not a human,
(16:23):
but whatever alien race that he has is and starts
basically trying to and I can't remember where it came from,
what story it was, but basically this version of Glactus
kept improving him his body and his being and eventually
became much more and like essentially a living machine, but
(16:46):
needed so much resources to stay alive that he started
gobbling up planets for their resources to basically fuel himself.
But something about Franklin makes him think that he that
that he is the key to basically breaking free of
this power like power need that he has. And I
(17:09):
don't know if it's because he sees a future where
like Franklin knows how to create a power source that's
strong enough to keep him going without having devour planets
because it's more and more and like basically like his
little ship he has is he has to stay plugged
into it to stay alive until he has enough resources
to do whatever. And literally he's not even conquering planets
(17:31):
at this point. He's literally just killing them off to
satiate his power needs. So I don't know if that
plays into it. And again I don't know anything about it,
but I was saying this to one of the guys
at work. I was like, I don't trust anything I see,
anything I read, and not because of AI videos, because
there are a bunch of people making.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
There are a bunch of those pictures going around that
are just like, oh, look at all the people on set.
People are like no, that's AI. Yeah, Like the camera
doesn't make sense, this is makes sense, but it's really good.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Like glance at it to like, oh shit, that's a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, because there was like this one video that was
really cool and I was like, I don't think this
is real because I don't think they would. I don't
think that footage would be available yet. Is the reason why.
Because this wasn't like set footage, but it was like footage.
It looked like footage footage. And I because we're a
year out still, I don't think it's that that done yet.
(18:28):
But it was Captain Hydra oh okay, and he was
in the full garb. We had the the hydro logo.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He had the Hydra shield or repainted shield I think
is actually technically it's just a repaint on the shield.
He had the dark blue with the red and all
that fun stuff, and he had the Hydra logo on
his helmet and he jumped up and landed on a
building and like it was like one of those like
Captain America jumps where he jumps beyond what a normal
(18:58):
human being in the lands. Then you can see the
hydro logo on his shield and on his chest, and
I was like, I mean, it would be really cool
to see Doctor Doom finding all the evil versions of
these heroes, especially if he goes back and he stops
(19:19):
Cap from being cap you know what I mean? Even
if it's like, hey, I'm like, I'm like, because that's
saying the same thing. I was like thinking. If he
goes through and he takes real, he takes Franklin a
maiden's read would do anything in his power to get
him back, and it may flip him to the evil,
(19:41):
So he'd have the leader, right, not the leader father?
What they call him? What do you call himself? When
he was when he was bad? It wasn't the Leader
because that's the bad guy from.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Fantastic is one of those characters.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
But yeah, it was the the is it the Maker? God? Damn?
What was his name?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The Maker? I think with somebody else?
Speaker 3 (20:07):
So you're gonna answer this question, will be looking for that. Yeah,
does does not Jack Jack have any powers? So like,
what is the reason? Do we know a reason.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Why Galactus wants him?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Does he show powers?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So Franklin is like super super like beyond smart, but
he has the ability to see. Does it manipulate energy
or is it sea energy? Oh, let me find out.
Franklin Richard's character from the Marvel universe, what is technically
(20:52):
his power? And obviously his powers have changed over.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Powers.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
He's super smart. I know that his ability to rearrange
the molecular structure of matter and energy at will, that's
what it was andery. So that's why I think he
because he has at one point, I'm trying to see
if there's a thing for it. He creates a bunch
of different things. But he has the ability to, I
(21:29):
think even because it I don't know if it was
in I'm trying to remember if that was the ultimate
universe of the regular universe. Not that it matters, because
they can pull from anything they want for these movies.
But there was a story where he in the womb
he rearranged his matter. Oh yeah, and then he was
(21:53):
able to like like telepathically talk to his mom.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah. I vaguely remember reading that that story arc.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
But he has because of that, he has the ability
to kind of do what Reid does to his body,
but also do what Sue does to his to her body,
but without any like the like, without having to elongate himself,
he can basically make part of it. He can make
himself bigger, he can add he can add mass by pulling.
(22:29):
I can't remember all if it was there's a lot
of different things he could do because he was altered.
His DNA is altered because of his parents. M At
one point, he like he took over the body of
the celestial or something to save his parents in the world.
(22:50):
I think, Damn, I can't remember what it was. It
doesn't matter. But yeah, there's been a bunch of things.
Let's see if I can find read Richard's alter ego
from the Ultimate Universe. Read Richard fantastic.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Um.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Read Richards in the Ultimate Universe. See if I can
find that one. Because he had a name when he
was bad, and he did it himself.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Of course he.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Would, because no one else is smart enough to give
him a different name.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well, he did. He made himself bad because he of
what he was trying to do. God, dang it. What
was his name?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Maker? I think it was actually the Maker?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is it the Maker? Because he went by the.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He was the main evil variant of Richards. Is the Maker?
Yea to google Ai.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, And he basically tortured and became the ultimate versions
of the Ultimate Universe's version of doctor. And he basically
like he brought about the He was the catalyst that
actually killed off the Ultimate Universe originally when Marvel did that,
(24:16):
wanted to end that and like basically make the the
Ultimate Universe go away. So they basically made a they
did Ultimate Invasion, they did Ultimate oh my god, what
was it called Ultimate something another where like the Blob
(24:42):
eight or Bit in half, the Wasp. I think at one.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Point I think I remember reading that issue as well.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, like there was like a big flood because doctor
Doom was able to switch the polls. No, no, I'm sorry,
I not talk to you. Magneto was able to switch
the polarity of the poles, which caused the flooding to
happen everywhere because the plan the planet was all fucked.
(25:14):
I think that is that one. I can't remember this
so many different ones. Yeah, he was the maker, is
what I thought. That's what I thought it was. And
he uh he basically was like pretty pretty terrible human
being for the most part. But the problem is that
he made this. He made this essentially like living like
(25:37):
an actual living AI. I know that sounds stupid, but
like this thing was like was birthed, like it was
like it he took ais and like somehow made these
machines make this. I don't know it was really hard
to explain because it's all fucking Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
That sounds hard to explain because it's not being explained
very well.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, I can't remember all it was. Basically he made
this machine each other, yeah, like the hard disks and stuff,
but it was like basically iterations of this machine basically
improving itself to where it basically was like this living
computer that like birthed itself with new hardware and stuff,
(26:19):
and it's so fun. It's been so long. It's right
next to me. I could pull it out and probably
find kind of but like the other way aroundtead of
like eating like the head eating its own tail. It
somehow birthed its own head out, but then it would
I don't know, it's it's been a while and I
(26:40):
could be wrong about that, but I'm pretty sure that's
what it was. You. He made this machine that like
basically gave him the ability to like super Community, like
basically look at all the different possibilities that think people
and things would happen, and then he would have like
the perfect solution, and then he used that to then
take over the Ultimate Universe, and then later on use
(27:02):
that to eliminate the Ultimate universe Ultimatum, That's what it was.
It was Ultimatum was where he where Magneto switched the poles,
because that was the ultimate universe. I was almost thinking
about Doom when he got Ahold of the Hammer, but
(27:26):
that was something else. But also there's God Doom, where
like he became a god essentially and at one point
rips the skeleton out of Thanos before Thanos can can
do anything, which was pretty rad. Plus God Doom had
a pretty dope ass outfit. It was like all white
and like platinum nice. Yeah, which really is not great
(27:52):
because it's gonna get dirty. Yeah right, but if you're
like super smart, you probably keep it clean with.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
But it can't get If your God Doom, then I
don't think dirt really.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Is probably just make it so dirt, don't try, don't
get stuck to your materials.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah right, he's just you know, it's reading Scotch card.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah yeah. So anyways that those came out and I
don't trust any of it, so.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
The other stuff he said, like I said, the Odysseus
trailer was the only one I watched, like pretty cool. Yeah,
it made wonder as I was finishing watching it, Uh,
which came first?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
The Iliad or the Odyssey?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Uh? Wasn't it? Well, isn't it? Isn't the Odyssey part
of Iliad?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, it's always the Iliad and the Odyssey.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, what I mean? But isn't it doesn't?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Well, I guess it have to be the Iliod comes first, right,
because isn't.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
You foundational epic poems from ancient Greece?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, because the Iliad is the yet is the story
of the war he goes to, right, and the Odyssey
is him coming back home.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Okay, here we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
I mean, at least according to the Google AI, the
Iliad plot centers on the final weeks of the Trojan War,
focusing on the conflict between Greek hero Achilles and the
Trojan prince Hector, driven by achilles rage after the death
of his companion.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Patroclus, pat Patroclus.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
The Odyssey follows the Greek hero Odysseus as he endures
ten year journey home to Ithaca after the fall of Troy,
encountering monsters which is and other challenges. My only question
about it is we've had a few, uh movies really
about the Odyssey? How many movies have we seen the Iliad,
(29:59):
Like it seems like one of those things that you
could definitely make the Iliad and then like tease the
Odyssey right afterwards.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I mean, you're you're you're correct.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Like I get now having read the synopsis for it. Uh,
it doesn't really seem like they have necessarily the same
characters in it, Like maybe you would to see it shows.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Up in in the Iliad. I have no idea, but
it's like, especially then this day and age of a movie.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Sequels and whatnot, it seems like they could have done
something like that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Uh, you are correct, they could have. But I mean
if they're not completely joined, like if like one is
not directly, if it's like, if the Odyssey is not
a direct sequel or whatever or spin off from the Iliad,
then maybe that's why he wanted that. But also like
most people know the Odyssey better I think as a
(31:07):
story's not wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean, having you know, a bunch of movies made
of the Odyssey already, they probably know the Odyssey more.
Even googling this, I didn't realize the movie Troy was
the Iliad.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, because it's the battle is it's the.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Battle of Troy, it's like, oh, yeah, I guess that's true.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
So because I could have swore he was at the
Battle of Troy that ended and he made his way back.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, that's what the plot says, is that having finished
you know, the the for the two weeks or whatever
it said in in Troy, he left to go back
to hit the cut and if I recall it, it's
in a while since I've actually known the plot of
the actual story, but he'd like somehow curses Poseidon or
(31:58):
whatever it is, and then just gets like the big
finger from the god to wander around the the sea
for like ten years or something like that.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, basically he throws pretty much everything he could possibly
imagine at him on his way home, like he's a, hey,
fuck you, Bud, I did nail that.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
It's his ten year journey.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
We'll see you. They're good, buddy.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Literally a genius there.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
M that's not what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I'm trying to see if I can find the thing
that gives me the characters involved in the Iliad. Oh,
does help people spell iliad correctly? This time?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You're actually yea.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The al had characterist from spark Notes close up where
just Christ pop ups go fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Uh okay, well.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Uh Achiles h Agham Agham, mom, Mom, Like I've heard
that that Nate and I just it was tripping over it.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Also called treaties. That's how it's pronounced, the treaties a
t r I d yes at a treaties.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
That's probably a treatise. Yeah, it's most likely where.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
From Dune? Yeah, where Dune got it from?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Uh Odysseus, I know I've seen this word before, Diomedes.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Also called tide. Sure, the great Ajax is in here.
Deadpoole just shows up and starts out.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Little a Jax is in here too, the son maybe
I don't know, uh Nestor, medalists.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Nis.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Ma, Colchis, Peleus, Phoenix. There's a lot of people in here.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
So yes, it does sound like there are some characters
like Odysseus does.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Show up in the Iliad, so yeah, so must be
the So that's what I'm saying the sequel.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Who played Like, Okay, so Troy the movie, did somebody
play Odysseus.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I'm pretty sure we got him in that, but it wasn't.
He wasn't involved in the actual was he in the raid?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Mmmm, that's a great question.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Actually Brad played Achilles, Eric Banner, Hector, Orlando Bloom, Paris,
Diane Krueger, Helen, Brian.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Cott, Oh, Sean Bean did.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I was just about to get to that. I command one.
That's who Bran Coxean played. O. Huh, but he doesn't die.
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, it's because his story is not over in the
and Troy. It's a little snippet of his of it.
I forge you forget how many fucking people are in
this goddamn movie.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
She was I only like eight people down, and it's like,
you know, I actually media all I know Brad Pitt,
Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Diane Krueger, Brian Cox, Sean.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Bean, Brendan Gleeson. You should have Brendan Gleeson.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Not off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
But his son is a Jackie. No, that would be
that would would be weird. Uh, his son is Donell
Gleason played in many things, but he was the He
was in the newer Star Wars movies as the main
dude of the First Order.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Okay, yeah, I know who that is. I've heard of
Peter Peter Ro too well.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
You should have. Yeah, Garrett Huntland, I forgot was in
that movie too. Saffron Burrows, Jesus, there are so many people.
Tyler Mayne, I forgot who was on it too. That's funny.
Play well plays as Jack's actually fits very well. Nathan Jones. Yeah,
(36:56):
so you know Odysseus, I'm saying, like he shows up
in this.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
They could have made us this a sequel thing.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
They could have been like the maker were actually making
the Iliad and then boom, where it is. We already
made the honesty. We we Peter Jackson, this bitch, so
we made it all in one.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Maybe maybe this is Christopher Nolan sticking it back to
him because he they originally gave him Troy and then
took Troy away from him, and I was like, you
know what, fuck you, I'm gonna make a pseudo sequel.
Maybe and instead of using Sean Bean, who dies in everything,
(37:39):
I'm gonna use Matt Damon, who doesn't die in everything,
who doesn't die in most things except for the Martian
or not the Martian. Uh. He put the last other
Christopher Nolan movies in Tenant, non Tennant, What the fucking
Space one? Interstellar? Right? He was he was, he was
(38:01):
He was essentially the villain.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
The villain, Like, oh my god, Matt Damon's in this movie.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
That and this is That's the thing with Christopher Nolan,
Like I expect to see people in this movie that
I didn't know that we're in this movie, not because
he announced the cast like fifteen years ago or whatever, right,
and the fact that he gave us a teaser trailer
a year before, or a teaser trailer before year before
it came out. Then a teaser trailer I should say,
gave us a teaser a year before it comes out
(38:29):
to sell tickets. That a teaser trailer six months before
the actual movie comes out. And when you look at
that teaser trailer at the end and it lists all
the people, you're like, who the fuck is not in
this movie? And then you got to think, oh, there's
someone he's not showing in this and we're like, holy dang, like,
god damn, he's in it. Look at that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And I almost half expect now at this point in time,
because you mean mentioned Tenant and it's like, oh, is
uh Denzel Washington Junior gonna be in it? Uh fucking
Mermaid masturbator in it.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Come on that excuse me, mermaid masturbator?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Come on?
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Is that the title you gave somebody you do?
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Not from the Lighthouse. I think it was called the Lighthouse.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, well that's I mean, oh wait, so are you
talking about Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Robert Pattinson, Yeah, because he was in.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Because technically he's also William Dafoe is a made masturbator
because they're technically the same person.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, but still that's that's the character of getting it.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, gotcha. As far as I'm aware, I would have
thought you would have said, Battinson, no, that's too easy.
But then you're like, oh no, I'm going to take
the obscure one that people are like, no, I knew
what you were talking about. But I was like, I
didn't know Joe knew what that was. So that's impressive.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I have an our tour sometimes, especially when involves Willem Defoe,
and you know, because that was also coming slightly after
Lost City of z Whatever, which I remember watching and
this is my that's my first movie of actually watching
anything of Robert Pattinson's because it's after he did the
(40:22):
Twilight series, and that's where I realized like, oh shit,
this kid.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Actually can app He's done a few things where like
oh shit.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
And then from there, I want to say, something else
came out. Maybe it was the what was it called
the Lighthouse?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Oh yeah, Lighthouse was the one.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
The Lighthouse.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, you see that, and you're like, well, this is
like one of those weird trippy I'm going to try
and win a not even like a mainstream award. I'm
just trying to win a a Can's Fit of Film
festival type award for weirdness.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And it's just like, well, I'm gonna watch it, and
it was Look, I still don't know exactly if I
understood what went on.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
In that movie.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
There's a lot of masturbation.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
It was a lot of masturbation exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Oh Jimmy Christmas. There is truly so many people in
this fucking movie. It is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Dude, The.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Hathaway, Robert Pattinson, Pete Nagano, Zendaia,
Charlie Staron, John Barenthal, Benny Sadief, John Zamo, what the fu?
Yeah dude, yeah, dude. Maybe maybe the next thing he'll
(41:49):
do is a spawn movie. That'll have Donamo back as
the Violator. One can only hope Heims Patel mi a Off,
Elliott Page, Bill Irwin, Samantha Morton, Jesse Garcia. I mean,
there's just there's so many people, and half of these
don't even have fucking character names. There's undisclosed support roles.
(42:13):
You're in the movie, and it's just gonna be like,
what when did I film this?
Speaker 2 (42:17):
When did I feel this? It's a surprise to me.
You're like, surprise you're in this, Like, I don't remember
this at all.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Do I get a paycheck? No, damn it. I get
a credit though, So that's fine.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
No, it's not speaking, not speaking part.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
God, damn it.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Always you show up in the background.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Let's see, the premise says, which obviously shouldn't shock anybody
with the premise of this is. But the premise says.
The Odyssey follows Odysseus, the legendary Greek king of Ithaca,
on his long and perilous journey home following the Trojan War,
chronicling his encounters with mythical beings such as the Cyclops, Polly, Polyphemius,
(43:03):
sure Sirens in a witch goddess. H. Circe while attempting
to reunite with his wife Penelope, who's played by Anne Hathaway.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Would be funny. If they got what's her name to
come back and play serious.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Well, Lena Headley would be pretty fun It was a
different type of Greek movie.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
Dope, it just still be funny, and still hire her
her husband, her ex husband to have a role next
to her.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
So who plays Agam? And mom? Oh, Benny Steve plays
Agam in mom?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
My question is who?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Who?
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Who? Ah? Who does Spider Man play his son?
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh? Okay, Telemachus? I think his name is.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I wonder how much was he with them during the journey?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
He so he stayed home because he was he was
just born.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, okay, and must not have much of it.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, because if I remember correctly, the story goes like this.
Before he can become of age, which I think is
supposed to be twenty one, Okay, Odysseus is supposed to
make his way home, but because of something he says
to angers Poseidon, Poseidon takes what would have been like
(44:27):
a three week or six week journey ten years. Yeah,
and he does, and he does, and only he doesn't
make it ten years. He just makes it last ten
years because of all the shape keeps thrown at him.
But at the age of twenty, I think is when
his son has to leave to go find his father,
(44:51):
because if he doesn't, because at this point everyone thinks
he's dead and he doesn't believe he is. And he
gets told by somebody, and I don't know if it's
another odd or a demigod or something tells him, oh,
your father's not dead, but he is lost at sea.
And I think that's actually employed too, because I don't
(45:12):
think that person's being completely honest. But he has to
go because at that point his mother is getting a
bunch of suitors. And to delay the suitors because she
wants to she doesn't want to just pick somebody. She
also doesn't want to marry any of them. They design
a bunch of Yeah, she devises a bunch of tasks
(45:33):
they have to do, and they're essentially games to whittle
them down to like the last few, and then she's
going to have a contest to the crown the like
most worthy or whatever. And so she devises all these
giving her son time to go find his father. That
could be wrong, parts of it could be right, and
(45:55):
I don't fully remember, because I read The Odyssey when
I was in like junior high and that is a
long time ago.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
It's one of those things I want to read, but
I don't think it's available on Whisper Sync.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
A version of it might be.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's what I'm looking at right now, paperback, see all
the formats. Hope that doesn't help me.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Oh yeah, the Talisman's dead.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Oh that sucks so much. What's what happened there?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
So apparently, according to what I saw, they just couldn't
in a in a they I think they had a
certain amount of time to be able to develop a
not a pitch, because they already pitched it, develop the
story to then get it greenlit, but they couldn't crack it.
(46:59):
I think it fell on them more than like Netflix
saying no, because I don't know if you know this,
Netflix does not say no too often.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
No, like a film of a turd just sitting there,
and then probably get five six seasons of it because.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It's cheap to make.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, so I think they I think they got to
a point where they could not make it work the
way they wanted to. And I don't know if that's
because they needed to fit it in a certain because
I've been hearing a lot of people saying like Netflix
(47:38):
wants a minimum of three and a maximum of five
seasons of anywhere from eight to ten episodes each, Okay,
and that's what they want because they want to be
able to pace a show out. But also I think
they wanted, like, they don't want things to run longer
than they should. But the Duffer has had a hard
(48:00):
time either stretching it out to fit that or making
it fit it is super dumb, but if you look
at it, I think if you look at Netflix and
their run times for things, it makes a lot of sense.
And I think the Duffers had more freedom with this
season of Stranger Things because they knew they wanted to
(48:21):
end it, and Netflix said, instead of like making things longer,
why don't you do what you need to with these
eight episodes right and make them whatever length you want.
Because a previous episode of this podcast, we talked about
the lengths that were out and those are actually incorrect.
(48:42):
Right before Wednesday, when they dropped, it came out that
the actual run times of episode five, six, and seven
weren't what they originally were because apparently the Duffers were
actually editing.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
It still sore les less.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
So originally they were I think almost all of them
about an hour and a half each. Yeah, they actually
now clock in just under an hour and ten minutes
for all three, not for all three each one is
like there's like an hour four, an hour six, and
an hour eight I think is what it was, or
I can't remember exactly word, but yeah, So they were
(49:23):
eliminiting things in. From what I read is it wasn't
cut for time, it was cut for story. They they
they had stuff that was dragging out too long that
they didn't enjoy and because they were working on us
for so long that they're like, hey, we have we
(49:44):
think we can tell the story we want with a
lot of other fluff that doesn't need to be in here,
which I thank them.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
For, right, I can appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, and they are officially doing a spin off from
the From the Stranger Things, but it doesn't have to
do with any of the main characters we have. Well,
according to what they said, it is a character that
is not indirect or is indirectly tied to the show
currently does not take place in Hawkins, Indiana, and isn't
(50:17):
technically about the upside down fair enough, but they already
have a plan for it, and unfortunately, I think that
was maybe what killed off Talisman. But they're at this point,
they're tight lips. Yeah, they basically said, let me see
if I can pull up this article and see if
the quote they said, I don't need your exp you're
(50:43):
telling me what Talison's about to know what it is about.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
It's an interesting thing to think about how you're saying
Netflix wants, you know, multiple seasons, and they want like
at least eight episodes.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
Why are we still stuck in the day and age
of seasons?
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Because why why.
Speaker 3 (51:02):
Haven't we evolved in digital media to the point of
it doesn't have to be a season. It just has
to be a cohesive story. Whether you want to tell
it over a we call it a mini series, you
know whatever. But if you want to tell it over
the course of three episodes that are hour long each
one movie that's that's three hours long, or if you
(51:26):
want to have a longer story and you don't have seasons,
you just make it.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
But you make the story.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, you can still call that a season, but that's
just because you have to go back and re in
make the you know, the further, the further seasons. Yeah,
but why do we have to stick to this and
that season could be like twenty episodes long, Like why
do we have to stick to this like rubric of
like you know, it has to have eight it has
to have eight episodes, and that's a season. It's like, no,
(52:01):
let's just let creators do what they want. And if
it's a half hour long, it's a half hour long.
If it's forty five minutes long, hour long, whatever it is.
If it's five episodes, eight episodes, twenty episodes, that's a season.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, you should be telling to
your point, You should be telling the story you want
in that timeframe. Now, if the story you're going to
tell is broken down into three parts, and those three
parts one part is six episodes, one of them is
(52:35):
eleven and the other one is fifteen, then you should do.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
It that way. Yeah, I'm thinking specifically, book adaptations will
take the expanse exactly for that. Why if one book
is three hundred pages long, then make a season, make
that one book a whole season, and make it.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Whatever makes sense for a three hundred page book. But
if the next book came out, it's six.
Speaker 3 (53:00):
Hundred pages long. Well, then make that season that that
tells the story of that book makes sense for a
six hundred page book. Maybe it's fifteen episodes long. Yeah,
but you literally have the ability to do that. You're
not constrained to a time slot. So I just don't
(53:22):
understand why we haven't gotten to that point where somebody
has just been like, you know what, let's try that,
Let's see what happens.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
All right, here's the quote that they have. So, while
speaking with CBR Comic Book resource Ross Duffer, one of
their brothers said, sadly, talisman is no longer at Netflix.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
So no longer at Netflix. Yeah, it sounds like maybe
they did take too long and the rights kind.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
Of faltered, faltered, there we go, and he said, continue on, saying,
so we're not involved. Matt then admitted so the other
Duffer brother said, I think it was probably naive of
us to think we could break the talisman, which is
actually funny because it's a reference to the talisman itself. Hilarious. Then, yeah,
(54:15):
Rosston explained, when I interned when I was really you know,
back at college at Kennedy Marshall, which apparently is the
college they went to I guess or he went to
I remember reading it was a movie script for the Talisman.
So is a development forever because he was in college
(54:37):
a while again apparently, and then says it's been developed forever,
So I'm sorry that we are no longer are not
the ones to break the curse again a reference to it,
and then that added it will be whoever does and
cracks it, referring to making the story to he for
(55:01):
whatever medium or I should say not whatever medium, whatever
form of media they tend, they will go through. Because
at this point, and we talked about this before, Stephen
is taking a break after the next two things he has,
(55:21):
and one of those things he has is the third
book in the Talisman series, because you have Twsman, you
have Black House, and then whatever this third one is,
and it's just based on an idea that him and
Peter Strob had when they wrote the first two, and
(55:41):
so he is developing that into it. I think whoever
has the rights or whoever gets at next, because it
might have just faltered and gone back to Stephen or
even Peter Straub's family, whoever gets that next potentially has
the Talisman. If that does well enough, Blackhouse, and then
(56:08):
whatever this third one's called, and whoever has that potentially
has a tie in to the Dark Tower because all
the first two, I'm guessing the third one because that's
what Stephen had mentioned was he wants to wrap up
the last remaining story untold story thread within the Dark
(56:35):
Tower series because his version of the Dark Tower has ended,
which we all know, by the way, spoiler if anybody
hasn't read the Dark Tower series doesn't actually end. But
the story he was telling, which was that iteration of
Roland going to the Dark Tower, that ended, but within
(56:58):
that a character or a sequence of things happened that
actually spill into another story that him and Peter Strobe wrote,
which is The Talisman and eventually Black House and whatever
this third one is, because you find out that the
main character from The Talisman, when he was younger, it
(57:20):
was found out that he was a gun slinger or
destined to be a gun slinger. And another character that
you meet in Talisman you find out is a gun
slinger and actually knew Roland and was fought alongside Roland
at one point. Because again we don't even know where
(57:46):
about this, like the one that we the Adventure, we
went on with Roland. We don't know where that falls in, right, He.
Speaker 2 (57:55):
Could be doing this for hundreds of years. Yeah, he
doesn't even realize it.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, because he doesn't even realize there's a little bit
of spark. There's people who say that at the end
of Dark Tower and he awakens and he has the
horn with him, he's starting to remember certain things. But
also if you go back to I think it's the
wolf's of Cola or it's the wind. No, I think
it's wolves. He mentions how he can't help but think
(58:25):
he's done things like this before, right, And it's because
he has, and we find that out at the end,
is you know, because when he wakens back up, I
don't think it specifically says he's whole again, like he
has the full functioning of his hands. But it's at
the beginning point, right, because the.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Last line of the book is literally the first line
of the series.
Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, and it's basically realized. It's him starting over again
with whatever this cursed life that he is in this.
Speaker 3 (59:00):
Yeah, he could find the one thing that that actually.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
Which I don't think is actually up to him, but right,
I think he's stuck in someone else's loop. Which actually
might be Jake's loop, who knows. But also there was
someone I read this a while ago, and I don't
know if I talked to you about it in the
I r L which is the dumb wayt thing, because
in real life that I was reading on a subreddit,
(59:31):
I think I did talk to you about it, because
I found that like weird ass fucking flow chart of
people putting the like not only the Stephen King books
all together, like how they're all connected, but that like
basically the timeline that is someone mentioned somewhere like at
one point the Wizard and Glass story is not technically
(59:57):
the same timeline that the rest of the Dark Tower
guns in, because he loses his father's guns but then
has them when he's telling the story of that time.
That is a detail that I do not remember, because
at one point he loses the guns and he has
(01:00:18):
a different set of guns, but yet when he's in
telling Susannah and them the story, he has his father's
guns again, which means that's a different loop, right. But
then someone else pointed out the fact that when he
was doing the events of Wizard and Glass, his father
(01:00:39):
was technically still alive because he was out as a
gun slinger.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
So I don't know again if that's true or not,
or if that's just someone hypothesizes ing about it. But anyways,
that's what I remember reading not too long ago, but
I digress. Tausman, as of right now, is dead at Netflix,
and the Duffers are no longer attached to it, which
sucks because I think they would have done really good
(01:01:09):
job with it, which is hilarious because it is actually
about a young boy flipping to a alternate reality. So
very much, sir, Yeah, yeah twice over. I guess you
really say, because oh the other thing too, did you see?
I don't. You're not on social media nearly as much
(01:01:31):
as me on on social social media. You're on what
I would arguely say is probably the better version of
social media, which is like Reddit and and dig and
stuff like that. Yeah. But uh, there's this big thing
where people are like, oh, we should have known, like
(01:01:53):
Vecna showed up in episode one of season one, and
then like they're pinpointing the fact that, like the figure
that appears in front of Will on his bike ride
back to his house that scares him into the woods,
Everyone's like, oh, that's Vecna. But then it's pointed out
that it's actually just a dema Gorgan because the demo
(01:02:15):
Gorgon because the the image you see it looks like
he had the black and silhouette that's in front of
him has one hand that has elongated fingers, but it's
actually just the fact that the other hand is not
turned down and so these fingers look longer and claw like.
(01:02:36):
And I was like, will your people are stupid because
that wasn't Vecna. It was a fucking demo Gorgan unless
they go back and they re edit that to have
VECN in it. But I don't think it was because
even the stature of it didn't look like Vecnet looked
like a demo Gorgan. AnyWho. Yeah, they put walkie talkies
in their hands, in their hands, sud.
Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Stinson, is is that it? And you're like, okay, I
didn't know. He's the forst ghost and here too.
Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I think that's it for this week's episode. That is
all I have. Okay, So that's it for this week's episode.
Comes to Ashley. Uh, we have been Ivan Cody, and
as usual, you fuckers just came naturally.
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Bye.
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