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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots. Welcome Fello, the Plurabals,
Welcome all of you drinks, this society rock dwellers, you're sick, efens,
you sink as you fascist you, Megan Nazis, or in
other words, our friends, allies and patriots, and you're always
going to be welcome here. And this place is the
Conservative Commander's Radio Show. And I'm Rick Trader, coming to

(00:44):
you from the my Pilla studios and my Steward studios
of the a U and TV network. And joining me
today as my co host is the patriot from the
battleground state, the Silver State, the battle born state of Nevada,
and that is Sharon Angle. And Sharon, welcome back, Welcome
back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Thanks Rick, It's always great to be here, even in
sad times. I couldn't believe it last Wednesday when you
called and said, Charlie Kurtz, and I think that the
whole nation has been in that same I can't believe
it place for about a week. And it seems like

(01:30):
every time you think you've got a a handle on it,
you finally figured this thing out. This thing now is
starting to make sense. There's something else and it doesn't
make sense, and so we're, you know, we are continually,

(01:50):
I think, just adjusting ourselves this past week to the
new things that come up. I was kind of going
back to our show on Wednesday. We were on the
air as it was developing that day, and we really
had very few facts, but our guests brought to light

(02:15):
things that we were all thinking. And it turns out
they were pretty good at predicting where this was coming
from and what was going what was going to turn
up as the evidence started to come in, and I

(02:35):
just was quite amazed, I guess that how good they
were even with so little information. Michael Letts was able
to say, you know, don't be surprised if there is
a transgender element here. Don't be surprised about where this

(03:01):
is all coming from. And as it developed, it was
just as if he had said this. So I guess
I have to say thank you again, Michael Let's for
being here and talking about it. Also Frank Vernuccio talking
about the politics that the agenda that goes on and

(03:26):
the unwillingness to debate, the unwillingness to even talk about it,
and consider that that there are different points of views
and we can just talk about it. So I have
to say thank you Frank for bringing that to light

(03:46):
and talking about it and really helping us to understand
a little about the lists of thought patterns I guess.
And then finally our last guest, pastor Reverend Jim Harden,
talking about where was God and all of this and
the faith of Charlie Kirk and how we know where

(04:10):
Charlie is and we know that all of this could
not have happened except that it fits somehow into God's plan.
How does that work? That we have that one scripture
that I know a lot of us cling to, and
that's Romans eight twenty eighth that says all things work

(04:31):
together for good for those who love the Lord and
are called according to his purposes. We know that Charlie
Kirk was called according to his purpose, that God absolutely
had a calling on Charlie Kirk's life, and that Charlie
Kirk honored God with his life, and so there's no
doubt that even this God will work together for good.

(04:55):
And we're starting to watch as that begins. Dounfold too
all of that to say, I hope you're not too
sick of talking about Charlie Kirk this, I guess I
want to go there and talk a bit more about it.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well, Sharon, I got a lot to unpack a whole.
Number one, we've got some criticism of it. You brought
up Wednesday show, and I'm glad you did because we've
got some criticism on our voice ticks, hotline bell. Why
did we show those awful videos of Charlie being shot?
We showed that from two aspects, and during this show

(05:34):
we're going to be playing another video. In this video
is of Charlie's widow bending over Charlie's corpse in the casket.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Violence counting or not doing gang violence?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
You know how many masters there have been in America
over the last ten years?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Counting we're not counting game finals.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Great.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
I love you, I love you.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I love you, I love you, I love you.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
God bless you. Well, it's been within this last week
when people closest to Charlie started to talk about him,
did I start to realize what a holy and godly

(06:45):
man he was? You know, I heard, I've heard Charlie
talk and I've always admired him. Not a college, didn't go,
didn't finish college. I think went one semester and quit.
But he could talk about anything, and he was so
true to his convictions, was so convincing and explaining those convictions.

(07:11):
What a godly man he was, and recently what a
good family man and good father he was. I didn't
know that part about Charlie Kirk, and it's taken Charlie
Kirk's death at least for Rick Trader to understand that.
And I admired him in learning more and more about

(07:35):
Charlie Kirk. You know, Charlie Kirk read a hundred books
a year, Sharon, Sharon, that's two books a week, a hundred.
As busy as this man was, Sharon, he read a
hundred books a year. You know, Sharon, you were in
conservative commandos. When we've had a guest that had bookshelves behind,

(07:59):
I bet you read every one of those books, and
they all say, yeah, I have for most of them.
I admire people who read, Sharon, you don't need a
college education. So we're seeing, we're seeing Charlie Kirk from

(08:20):
a different angle now. And what I think, but I hope,
comes out of this. And I've often thought about this, Sharon,
that sometimes people are greater, were more recognized when they're

(08:42):
no longer on earth than the time that they spent
on earth. And let's use Jesus Christ for an example.
This is a man who basically did his work in
the last three years of his life. I've heard figures

(09:03):
that probably in Jesus's lifetime he really never spoke to
any more than five thousand people total during his life.
Who has had a greater effect on the world than
Jesus Christ, Abraham and we there, let's talk about martyrs.

(09:29):
We've got Jesus, we have all his apostles, we have
Julius Caesar, we have Abraham Lincoln. We've got John F. Kennedy,
we got Robert Kennedy. We've got doctor Martin Luther.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
King.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Malcolm X if you want to include him. And now
we've got Charlie Kirk. And I will say that all
of these individuals were martyred and died a tragic death.
And it's because and it's partly because of their martyr

(10:11):
partly because of the tragic death, partly because of what
they were standing for that someone hated them so much
to kill them. That these people will be greater and
more highly thought of in their death than during their life.

(10:34):
And I'll use an example the day after Charlie died.
A couple of days after Charlie died, we had a
few friends over for lunch. There were four four of
us there, and three of us were talking about Charlie Kirk,

(10:57):
and the other person said, I knew nothing about him.
I never even heard the name Charlie Kirk. How come
you know about him, and you know about him, and
you know about him and I knew nothing about Charlie Kirk.
And we asked this individual where did you get your
where do you get your news from? Why watch Channel three?
I watch ABC, NBC's CBS. Then we said you watch

(11:23):
the wrong places. You need to expand your viewing. This
person got very upset and wanted to leave, to the
point where I had to get up and leave. It
says why because she points to me, and she says
why because I don't listen to you. My feeling is

(11:46):
not because you don't listen to me, because you don't
listen to anyone on the other side. So, now this
person knows about Charlie Kirk and Sharon I would take
a gander that there are millions and millions and millions
of people who now know about Charlie Kirk, who didn't

(12:09):
know about him when he was alive. We're seeing the visuals,
We're seeing the the the displays set up in different
in different cities. We're seeing concerts where people yet are
yelling Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk, Charlie concerts, football games. Prior

(12:36):
to the games, they're having a moment of silence for
Charlie Kirk. Ora Head stayed um in Kansas City, Missouri.
I will bet had those people never heard of Charlie Kirk,
they know about him now. During Jesus' lifetime, as I said,

(12:58):
probably maybe five thousand people ever heard him speak. God
bless Charlie Kirk. A man of peace, a man who
wanted to communicate with people who disagreed with him. And

(13:21):
you know, Charon, it's amazing. It's amazing. Right now, the
Republicans are controlling Congress and the Democrat says, oh, negotiate
with us, talk to his negotiation. You're being bullies. You're
pushing through whatever you want, which is exactly what they
did when they had the White House, the House of Representatives,

(13:43):
the Senate. Oh they want to talk now. We always
and we've been told all along, isn't it better to
negotiate with the Soviet Union in Russia and China than
to go to war with them? We've always heard this,
what it's He's the way you get to know someone
is to communicate with him, right, And this is what

(14:06):
Charlie Kirk tried to do. And because this little bastard
was threatened by the truth of Charlie Kirk. Rather than
going to with that Charlie Kirk rally and standing in
line and asking Charlie why why are you against homosexuality?

(14:31):
Why are you against transitioning? And now, what he decided
to do was to climb on the roof with a
gun and put a bullet in Charlie's neck, silencing him.
Isn't it ironic that the silence Charlie Kirk he put

(14:55):
a bullet in his throat?

Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Again, we played those videos of Charlie being shot when
other media outlets refused to do so. I made a
conscious decision to do that, just like we're playing this
video today of Erica over Charlie's coffin because I want

(15:24):
these people to see what they did. No more than
this mister nice guy, no more glad handling no more
whitewashing anything. We're going to expose these people for what
they are.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, Rick, I just wanted to add to that about
why we didn't censor, why we didn't censor the video.
I didn't I wasn't able to find that video and
grabbed that video from any US source. I went to
an Israeli source to grab that video. I also have

(16:11):
heard since then that Israel knew an hour before we
did Charlie was dead. There is a censorship of silencing,
a pulling, a back from the news, a softening of
the news that happens in our country, and that's a
form of censorship. We we've been canceled on YouTube, We've

(16:36):
been canceled on Facebook for bringing the bald facts, the
the truth of the matter. And I think that that
is more to the point of why we showed those videos,
is that we didn't want to be the one that canceled.
You know, out there in your and our audience, we

(17:01):
feel like we have a an informed audience and audience
that wants truth and they can handle the truth. And
so we gave you the truth. And there was a
discussion with our first guest, Michael Letz about what happened here?
Was he really hit? Was it a deflection? What happened here?

(17:23):
And because they were censoring the videos, you've got to
see a video that I didn't get to see.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I got.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I saw the video that came out of Israel, and
it was the one where there was blood. And you
said you didn't see any blood. Well, remember people don't
like blood. Well, yeah, the left does not want to
acknowledge that anything has happened here, that it was as

(17:56):
bad as it was. And so we put both of
the videos up so you could see what Rick was seeing,
what I was seeing. So then you can decide for yourself.
You know, we just report it, we just bring it,
and you decide. And Michael Letts of course was talking
he had seen both of them. So I just want

(18:17):
to come back to this idea that we are being
censored in this country, and we don't censor here at
Conservative Commandos radio show. We let you decide whether you
want to see that or not. It's your decision whether

(18:38):
you want to pass it on and share it with others.
I shared it a lot, and the reason I shared
that video was because I wanted people to know that
there is a censorship that's going on in this United States,
that it doesn't matter where you're tuning in, you're not
getting to see the full truth, whole truth. Do you

(19:02):
want to be protected from the truth. The Left says
you do, and that's what they're doing, is they're protecting you.
That's why they don't show you the truth. That's why
they don't tell you the truth.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
I disagree. I disagree. They're not protecting it.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's what they're saying, protecting us.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well, that's what they that's the lie that they put
out there, Sharon. The truth of it is they don't
want the truth to come out. And you know, Sharon,
as far as the news coming out in Israel that
Charlie was going an hour before we got it. If
you recall when I saw that video, I said to
you and Michael, I said, I don't think he made it.

(19:43):
I mean, the shot was just.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
The reason.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Such a parallel I know the report was and they
said that he died. I believe that he was dead
on arrival, and I think he was the a with
the hospital. They may have tried to save him, and
God bless them for what they did. But you know,
the same thing with JFK. JFK. When he was shot

(20:08):
half his head was blown off. They still tried to
save him. At the hospital, they stood and the man
was gone. The man was dead on arrival. I believe
that Charlie was dead on arrival, and it wasn't for
I don't know two hours later after the shooting that
it was finally announced here and now you're telling us

(20:28):
in Israel they knew, they already knew that he was dead.
But again, and I said to that, I said to Michael,
I think it was gone.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
But that's the reason that AUN exists. That's the reason
that Conservative Commando exists, just because we go looking for
other sources to make sure that what we put up
is truth. We don't just rely on our own United
States media because they there is a there is a blocking,

(21:04):
there is a softening, there is a not telling us
the whole truth.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Even even now, I feel like they're still keeping things
from us. And as as we get on with this today,
you know there's some disturbing uh, things like explosive devices.
I want to get into. There's more here. Remember Michael
lets I was shocked when he said this was planned.

(21:32):
And I was shocked again when Frank Bernuccio said, this
was coordinated, and I thought, how how can that be
that that they would that that someone would go to
that extent and what was the coordination and how deep
does it go? And now we're finding it out. It's

(21:54):
amazing that we have the person who actually pulled the truth,
do we you know, I've seen conflicting about that too.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Well, he has admitted. He's admitted, and we can get
into that show. We've got to take a break here,
but we've actually blown through the break. We're coming up
against a really, really hard break and we can continue
this conversation because more came out today. More come out today.
We've got more information from the Hutul Attorney General, more

(22:28):
information about communications that Tyler Robinson had with his lover,
his gay transsexual lover. We're admitted to shooting, and we
can get into that after this break. But this is
the Conservative Commandos with Sharon Angle. I'mrick Trader, and today's show,
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Speaker 1 (26:00):
And Welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with Sharon Angle and yours truly rectuator coming to
you from the My Pillar studios and My Store studios
of the au n TV network. And Sharon, as I said,
you know in the first segment, have said many many
times you're in Conservative Commanders that this all started with oh,

(26:23):
just let us love who we want, all right, and
it's escalated from there to the point now where they're saying, well,
if you don't give us what you want, there are
a bunch of Peteline children with mental issue Sharon, that's
what they are that if you don't give us what
we want, if you don't agree with us, if if
if you don't tell us how wonderful we are, we're

(26:44):
going to kill you. We're going to kill you. And
that's exactly what has been happening in this country. Mary's
got a good term for it. She calls it misguided compassion.
Misguided compassion. As I said, the American people are the
most generous, kindest out there. But I think a lot
of this the blame lies with us for not calling

(27:08):
a space of space, for not saying what this is
from the very very beginning. This is a mental issue.
That's what he used to be called, Okay, a mental issue.
That's what the textbooks called it, a mental issue. It's
what the Academy of Health called it a mental issue.

(27:32):
But again, the misguided compassion of the American people has
brought us to the point we are now without saying
to these people, your way of life is not right.
What you're doing is the sin. There's ways that you

(27:52):
can with help from a minister, from priests, from psychologists.
Well I'm going to tell you how wonderful and how
right you are, But tell you the truth. We've got
to get away from this misguided compassion. It's not helping

(28:15):
the mark, it's not helping these people. Sharon, Yeah, Sharon.
The district the Attorney General in Utah had a press
conference today. They brought murder charges against this guy, Tyler Robinson.

(28:38):
They put they've also showed what they have all right,
DNA on the trigger of the rifle that killed Charlie
Kirk matched that of Tyler Robinson, said Utah County Attorney
Jeff Gray said in announcing that charges could result in
the death penalty if rob is convicted. The prosecutor said.

(29:04):
Robinson wrote in a text that he spent more than
a week planning the attack on Charlie Kirk, a prominent
force in politics, credited with the emerging Republican youth movement
and helping Donald Trump win the White House. Robinson was

(29:25):
scheduled to appear on camel for Camera for a virtual
hearing Tuesday afternoon. There was no attorney listed in the
Utah Online Court docket for Robinson, and apparently, as we
all know, Charlie was targeted for his anti transgender views.

(29:51):
Authorities have not revealed a clear motive for the shooting.
But I think it's obvious, Sharon. This guy in the text.
When I say this guy, I'm talking about Tyler Robinson
in text to his trance to his gay lover that's

(30:12):
going through transition. In a text exchange with his partner
released by authorities, Robinson wrote, I planned to grab my
rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of
the side of the town got locked down. It's quite

(30:33):
almost enough to get out. There's one vehicle lingering. Then,
he wrote, going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully
they haven't moved it. They've moved on. I haven't seen
anything about them finding it. He also said, I can

(30:53):
get closed, but there's a squad car parked right by it.
When the Texas he said to is to his gay
lover that he did it, and the gay lover text
back what he says, Yes, I did it. I got

(31:14):
Charlie Kirk. All kinds of evidence is pointing to this
guy and pointing to the reason why he did it.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Is it also that there were others involved?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I you know, well, you know, Sharon, first of all,
I said right away, and going back to last Wednesday show,
I said to you and to Michael. Is it just
irony that the question he got when he was shot
was about taking rifles away from transvestites? I want to know,

(31:59):
and why has there been no talk about who asked
that question? Who asked that question? Now that this and
by the way, I've never heard of this social site
called discharge, but apparently in discharge, on this social media

(32:21):
site Discharge, there was all types of hate spewed. How
Charlie Kirk was a hater. He had to be stopped.
They're saying that the roommate is cooperating with police. However,

(32:43):
Tyler Robinson is not cooperating.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
You can't predict, as you said, crazy, nor can we let.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
What happened to Charlie Kirk stop us. That's what they
want to do, Sharon. They want to shut us up.
And that's why we've got to continue to talk about this.
We've got to continue to expose this. If we shut up,
we lose. They win. They've been you know, I thought

(33:20):
long and hard about doing this type of show. I
thought long and hard about saying the things that I said.
But if we don't continue to do what we do,
the likes of Charlie Kirk died in vain. Do you agree?

(33:44):
Do you disagree?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I don't think we can stop. I don't think we
can stop. It's just that what how do we, as
Michael led said, how do we do this smartly enough
to where I don't know, you know, I don't know.

(34:07):
Can you protect yourself from this or does it just
come at you? And there have been some that have said, yes,
there are protections. One of those protections is get rid
of the ones that are spreading this stuff, that are

(34:27):
inciting this stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, I think we have to start by protecting ourselves.
Law enforcement can't protect the Sharon. They really can't. I'm
telling you, if you if someone broke into your house
right now and you immediately called nine to one one,
it would take five to ten minutes for the police

(34:50):
to get there. It really would. That person could do
a lot of harm, a lot of damage in five
to ten minutes. I want to read, Sharon, if you
don't mind on one read some more about these text
messages that Tyler Robinson sent to his to his lover prosecutors.

(35:11):
Tyler Robinson's roommate received a text from him, quote, drop
what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. The roommate found
a note that said I had the opportunity to take
out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. After
reading the note, the roommate responded, what are you joking?

(35:34):
You're joking right, and Robinson says, I'm still okay, my love,
But I'm stuck in Orm. That was wor Mutah where
the shooting took place. I'm stuck in Orm for a
little while longer yet, shouldn't be long until I come home,
but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest

(35:57):
with you, I had hope to keep this secret until
I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. You know.
The roommate said, you weren't the one who did it, right,
Robinson said, I'm sorry, I am roommate. I thought they

(36:21):
caught the person. Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude,
then interrogated some someone in similar clothes. Now how he's
knowing this, I don't know. Is he listening to the radio?
I planned to grab my rifle from my drop point
shortly after, but I'm on the side of the town
that got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get

(36:44):
out of here, but there's one vehicle lingering. The roommate
asked why, Robinson says, why did I do it? Yeah,
come from the roommate, Robinson, I had enough of his hatred.
Some hey can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to

(37:06):
grab my rifle unseen, I'll I will have left no
evidence going to an attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully
they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them
finding it. Roommate, how long have you been planning this, Robinson?
A bit over a week. I believe I can get

(37:30):
close to it, but there's a squad car parked right there.
I think they already swept the spot. Speaking of it,
he's speaking of the place where he dropped the rifle,
but I don't want to chance it. And then he continues,
I wish I'd circle back and grabbed it as soon
as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried that. I'm

(37:52):
worried what the old man would do if I didn't
bring back his grandpa's rifle. And the parent I guess
he's talking about. This was his father's rifle. He said,
I'm worried that my old man for what my old
man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle

(38:18):
had a serial number, but it says serial number, but
it wouldn't be traced to me. I worry about the
prince to leave on rifle. So when they talk about Sharon,
when they talk about they don't know what the motive is.

(38:39):
There's the motive. It was hate. It was hate for
a man because a man believed in God, a man
believed in a Bible, man believed in the right thing.
That's why Charlie killed. Kirk was killed. It was also

(39:03):
sharing by what the left media continues to say about
people on the right, like Charlie Kirk, Speus hate, Speu's hate. Yeah.
The Robinson wanted the roommates to delete this exchange. Robinson. Uh,

(39:25):
my dad wants photos of the rifle, he says, Grandpa
wants to know who has what the federally is the
photo of the rifle, and it's very unique. He's calling
me or im not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office,

(39:46):
my dad has been pretty die harden Mega, Robinson. I'm
going to turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors
here is a deputy for the sheriff, and it goes
on and on and on. His text messages. But it's

(40:10):
pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious, Sharon, they got the right guy.
It's pretty obvious they know they know why he did it,
Robinson saying to the roommate, telling the roommate don't talk
to the media. Please, don't take any interviews or make

(40:31):
any comments. If any please ask you questions, ask for
a lawyer, and stay silent. Don't take any interviews or
make any comments. If any please ask you questions, ask
for a lawyer, and stay silent. As I said, the
roommate has been cooperating with the police. Robinson applied that

(41:03):
he planned to take his own life the way Sharon
it was she had. Robinson's parents were able to convince
him to meet at their home. Utah County Attornity attorney
Jeff Gray said as they discussed the situation, Robinson applied
that he was a shooter and he started what He

(41:26):
stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted
to end it. Suspect allegedly said that Utah Valley University
was quote a stupid venue for Kirk. Before the shooting,
Robinson appeared to mark Charlie's choice of speaking at Utah

(41:50):
Valley University, Robinson said his father had been growing apart.
Robinson said his father had been growing apart in their
political views as a parent. In repeated conversations between the two,
one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk

(42:15):
would be holding an event a uv UVU, which Robinson
has said was a stupid venue. For the event, Robinson
told reporters Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. How about that?
He accused Kirk of spreading hate? What does he do?
He shoots them, he kills them, But that's not spreading hate.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, those the hate spreaders, though, are an interesting bunch.
Texas investigated over one hundred educators for social media posts
following the assassination. And you know it, it has been
quite surprising how much of social media has blown up

(43:13):
with these ugly, ugly posts, and they're coming from people
like these teachers. You know, it's just amazing the hate
that's being spread by the left still over this. And
of course they they they don't want to admit it.

(43:42):
The the AFT, which is a teacher's union American Federation
of Teachers, may criticize the investigators, saying that it was
a witch hunt.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But what investigated site? What investigation?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
The investigation of these hundred educators who put up on
social media inappropriate and insensitive remarks. We haven't I guess
I haven't really seen what they're saying. But if it's
enough to bring an investigation, and that we know that

(44:23):
they there are some people that have lost their job already.
You know, a lady yet one of the copy stores
lost her job for refusing to print a poster just
asking people to honor Charlie Kirk, very benign. It was

(44:44):
just a picture of him and the date of his birth,
the year of his birth, the year of his death
to they wanted him to place an avidial location and
she refused to p saying it was political and that
it was hate. And so there there's a lot still

(45:10):
coming out about this that just I guess President Trump
has even said, you know, we're right to now really
consider seriously Antifa as a terrorist organization because Antifa rolled

(45:31):
through all of this that this fellow was doing. You
know that he took the time to put Antifa uh
slogans on the bullet casings. And you know, there's just
more to this as we as it starts.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Slippery, So a slippery slope though, And I'll tell you why. Okay,
you make Antifa a terrorist group, you make Black Lives
Matter a terrorist group. Republicans aren't always going to be
in the White House, unfortunately, Unfortunately, there may be a
time when Democrats are in the White House and Democrats

(46:11):
could say, you know what, that megagroup, that that turning point,
the USA group, that's it, that said a terrorist group.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Well, you're right, you're right, Rick, I'm not sure what
the definition of terrorist group is, you know. And that's
the problem, isn't it definition be a fairly by bar.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Absolutely, And I think that they would be better off
going after the funders, going after their leadership, going after
their mouthpieces. Hey, you know what, that's what the O
Biden administration did. Donald Trump. Not only did they go afterhand,
they went after everybody around him, friends, supporters, attorneys. That's

(47:09):
what they did. That's what I believe we need to
do with Antifa, with Black Lives Matter. We got to
find out about these social platforms like to scort and
people that are on them, and oh, I hate to
do this, but we need to take another break share it.
That's just the way it is. I guess After this,

(47:31):
we're going to play a couple of interviews that we've
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Just for a change of pace, and this is the
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Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio Show with Sharon
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Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's a great honor to introduce Paul Dreason, who is
Senior policy advisor for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
fat see FACT and author of articles and books on energy,
environmental and human rights issues. Paul, Welcome back to the
Conservative Commandos radio show.

Speaker 12 (50:54):
We'll always love being with you guys, always do well.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
We love having you and you know I Saturday, I
got to go to a celebration in a park, a
city park, and there was all kinds of stuff there,
very interesting bunch group of people and they were celebrating
Earth Day and saving the planet. It was interesting to

(51:24):
see what they had displayed out there, and one of
the things that they thought were important that I would like,
that I would like. So I guess I want to
talk to you about that. Is that the celebration that
goes on all over the United States or all over
the world. Is this Earth Day a thing of global

(51:47):
renown or is it just a little thing that happened
in a park in Reno on Saturday.

Speaker 12 (51:54):
I can't answer that one. I know it's kind of
a worldwide phenomenon at this point, but how it is
celebrated or observed from place to place, I am not sure.
I'm stuck here in a little old Virginia. I grew
up in Wisconsin. I actually helped organize the very first
earth Day nineteen seventy, my senior year in college, very

(52:16):
first earth Day in history. My college campus was going
to get involved and I was one of the organizers.
So it goes back a long way for me. But
I am more focused on people day these days. So
tell me some of the stuff that was in Reno.
I would love to hear some of the things that
they were trying to suggest we adopt or whatever they

(52:39):
had going on.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Of course, there's you know, they're regular things like stop pollution,
stop litter, clean up, the clean up the planet stuff,
and I think most of us could I could kind
of agree with that. You know, we need to have
litter control and we don't want people putting stuff into
the air that we have to breathe. And yet I

(53:05):
think most of that has really stabilized. There isn't much
of that going on then. But then we got into
some really interesting stuff getting in touch with the Earth
in you. And so now we've got threequet and yoga

(53:27):
and these folks getting in touch with the earth in you.
That was interesting. I kind of talked to those ladies
that were promoting that, and they speak a language that
I don't understand, Paul. They have terms and word uses

(53:49):
that I've never heard before, and I can't remember any
of them because it was surprising to me, because I
know I must have just kind of looked at her like,
that's very puzzling. I've never used that word in that way.
And then there were food trucks, but the food was

(54:09):
not your vegan variety. It wasn't it wasn't something that
would make you healthy. It was hot dogs and hamburgers
and fried foods and churros. And so I thought that
was a little inconsistent with the whole idea of you've
got a clean planet, don't you need a clean body

(54:29):
to go with it? And here, you know, we've got
these folks telling you that they've got body, soul, and
spirit wrapped up in a in one clean little yoga
bag here for you. So I guess that was what
was kind of interesting to me, is the inconsistency. Lots
of crystals, lots of jewelry with flowers in it, you know,

(54:51):
things that reminded me a lot, Paul of the sixties,
you know, flower power and love not war hippie, even
right down to what they were wearing. You know, I thought,
oh my gosh, it's back to the future, right.

Speaker 12 (55:11):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like, yeah, it sounds like hippies.
And I love crystals. My geology major got me into
lots of different kinds of crystals, from quartz to everything else.
And I think certainly hot dogs are great churros. I
try to stay away from these days, but it sounds

(55:34):
like they just never grew up and really started to
recognize what makes their lives possible. I mean, I would
take a walk around here. I love the springtime flowers
and azaleas, especially around here, the apple blossoms, the dog
woods and so forth. Getting in touch with earth is
wonderful in that respect. Taking hikes. I've spent some time

(55:54):
in Hawaii for the first time in twenty five years,
just a few months ago, and that was fantastic, getting
hiking in those hills there. But we need what comes
out of holes in the ground. You know, everything we
have in our lives comes out of a hole in
the ground, whether it's the corn we plant, the wheat
and so forth, the livestock we grow that requires grass

(56:18):
coming out of the ground, the rocks and minerals, the metals,
the oil and gas and coal that runs our power
plants and so forth, that builds everything, the trees that
we grow to build our homes. And the people that
are screaming Earth Day kind of don't want any of that.
They don't want it in their backyard. They don't want
any place in the United States. They want us to

(56:41):
import everything, but they think it comes magically to our
shores and doesn't involve any earth disturbance anyplace. So they're
living on a different planet.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I think, do you see the pain look on my face, Paul,
the pain look on my face. And these are the
same people that want to drive electric car.

Speaker 12 (57:01):
Yeah, they the same people that want to run our lives.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Well, and you know, to run those electric cars, you
need copper nickel with him, all that stuff that you
have to dig out of the ground, and you have
to dig massive amounts of dirt out of the ground
to get those few little precious metals as rare earth
metals to make their electric car run.

Speaker 12 (57:27):
So yeah, and the reality is you're absolutely on target.
The reality is you have to mine somewhere between one
hundred if you're really lucky and a thousand tons of
rock to get a ton of most of the metals,
and maybe it's ten thousand tons of rock to get
a ton of copper cow bolt, same thing, and the

(57:51):
earth disturbance involved is incredible. It takes ten to fourteen
times more metals and mineral to build wind turbines enough
to generate what you can get out of a power
out of a natural gas power plant. And that's based
on the supposed capacity factor for the wind turbans. The

(58:16):
real capacity is not what's on the name plate. They
may say they get twelve megawatts. In reality they get
a third of that or a fourth of that. So
you really end up needing twenty or thirty forty times
more raw materials to build those wind turbines for an
x amount of electricity then to build a gas fired

(58:38):
power plant. And then the crazy part is you still
need the gas fired power plant because seventy five percent
of the time you don't get any electricity at all
from the wind turbine. And then you don't want to
just shut down your life every few hours, every few
minutes when the wind isn't blowing, then you need the
gas fired power plant. Fill in all those gaps. So

(59:03):
it's an insane thing with the environmental impacts being monumental
for the thousands or millions of acres that you've got
to cover in wind turbines and solar panels, as well
as all the mining and processing. And where do you
put those thousand tons of rock that you that you
dug out in order to get the one ton of metals?

(59:27):
Or where do you put all those wind turbine blades
When the turbine stops working, you can't recycle them. It
dump them in a landfill somewhere. The whole thing about renewable, green, clean,
sustainable energy as complete falsification.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
You know.

Speaker 12 (59:49):
The Biden administration should have band it all as misinformation
or disinformation.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
And I think that that was what I was seeing
with the inconsistency there. The crystals were not sports crystals
or geo's or all of those things that we get
fascinated by. Even even they were not precious gems that
were mined. These were glass crystal something that's you know,

(01:00:18):
more of a prism situation where you get the glass,
you you form the glass, you cut the glass, whatever.
Uh So it's it's really a man you factured crystal
rather than an earth crystal.

Speaker 12 (01:00:33):
And where do you get that one? You'll you have
to get the sand turn it into purrelic.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Talking about raw materials here, both, don't confuse me with
your raw materials, you know that. That's kind of the
inconsistency that I saw. Even the little, the pretty little
earrings with the the flowers in side. We're inside a
glass case with a metal uh finding on it. But

(01:01:08):
of course nobody thought about I needed to get that
out of the ground, any of that. It was all
just go down to Walmart and buy some of these
things and make my jewelry. So that was an inconsistency, Paul,
that we never I didn't see them thinking past in

(01:01:28):
that in that celebration of birthday. They didn't celebrate that
the earth provides, as you said.

Speaker 12 (01:01:36):
They don't. They don't think about any of this stuff,
and they just think it's like Starship Enterprise, Beaba down
Scottie and it'll.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Just be here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
So how do we get them to think that way?
How do how do we I mean, that's a mindset,
isn't it, Because and I used to blame it on
people being in cities. They never really got close enough
to the earth to really understand the earth. Is that
true or is it deeper than that? Is it a propaganda, Well.

Speaker 12 (01:02:10):
I think it's definitely part of the city aspects of
modern society. Even out on ranches and farms, you don't
get most of your stuff right out in your backyard there.
You don't get your tractor out of a barn if
it's not built someplace, or any of your other equipment.

(01:02:30):
You don't get the milking machines, you don't get the plows.
That all has to be made somewhere. But you're certainly
more attuned to reality when you're growing up on a
ranch or a farm. People that grow up in the
cities are far removed from it. They think everything just
comes from the store down the street, and a lot

(01:02:51):
of it comes from the propaganda in our schools. We
get all this anti Semitism, all this anti Israel hatred,
But we also get all this capitalism hatred, all this
insane information about what's clean, green, renewable, sustainable, and how
awful dirty fossil fuels are. Stop oil, you'll keep it

(01:03:13):
in the ground. Those kinds of ideas, and none of
it is ever thought through. I have never heard one
of these professors talk about what has to be done
to build that wind turbine and how many of them
you're going to need. Just first shots idea out of

(01:03:33):
the shoot for wind turbines, he was going to have
something on the order of thirty thousand megawatts of wind
generated electricity by twenty thirty five years from now. And
if you took all of that electricity and you were
actually generating it, it was going to take about twenty
five hundred, eight hundred and fifty foot tall wind turbans

(01:03:56):
off the coast of New York in order just to
power New York State, and that would only power it
in reality at the times that the wind was blowing.
So you have all twenty five hundred wind turbines for
his whole offshore program barely powering New York State on
a hot summer day if the wind is blowing. And

(01:04:20):
on the hot summer day, the wind is generally not blowing.
It's just the weather circumstances that mandate that. So then
you need thousands of these enormous grid scale batteries to
back up your electricity generation, and you've got to build
those somehow, And they like San Francisco discovered just a

(01:04:42):
couple months ago. They have a bad habit of catching fire,
and when they do, it's not just a Tesla or
some other electric vehicle catching fire. It's a whole warehouse
full of these things, thousands of them bursting into flames,
spreading the flames to You can pour all the water
you want to on them, and you won't put the

(01:05:03):
fire out. You just let it burn out. So you're
talking about evacuating thousands or millions of people from your
city area where where these batteries are burning, and then
just letting them burn out for days or a week,
depending on how big a system you've got. There transmission

(01:05:24):
lines hundreds of miles long to get the electricity from
where the wind is blowing to the big cities where
where you're using the electricity. So this whole sustainability movement,
when it gets out of common sense stuff manufacturer is
going to do to reduce raw material demands to make

(01:05:45):
a beer can, for example, the rest of the sustainability
movement is basically nonsense. It doesn't happen. These things are
not sustainable. Nothing about wind and solar is sustainable.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Well, with that, we're going to have to go to
something that sustains us, and that is our commercial break
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(01:06:22):
Angele here with my co host Rick Trader. We've been
talking with our very special guests, Paul Dresen, who is
with Sea Fact, and he is talking to us about
Earth Day. I'll explain that Sea Fact is committee for
our Constructive Tomorrow. He is their senior policy advisor. We've

(01:06:44):
been talking about Earth Day, and I just wanted to
mention to Paul that in Nevada we have three hundred
and sixty sunshiny days a year. Of course, that's what
you get when you live in the desert. And I
parked under a solar panel field, so they put them
up in the air, made a parking lot and I

(01:07:04):
got in the shape.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
It's a senior policy advisor for Sea Fact, Committee for
Constructive Tomorrow. And Hey, Paul, tell me about the first
earth Day. What do you remember about the first earth Day?

Speaker 12 (01:07:19):
That was a long time ago. I don't remember a
whole lot about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
We went around, Did it change Do you think it
changed your life?

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Any Well?

Speaker 12 (01:07:29):
You know, in reality, my college campus and where I
grew up were on the Fox River of Wisconsin. That
was probably the most utilized river for paper making in
the country, maybe even in the world. At that time.
They had dozens of paper plants of different kinds. I

(01:07:51):
worked in one of them for a couple of years
during the summers anyway, helping to make paper bags and
other stuff. It was a political polluted area. The air
pollution was bad, the water pollution was bad. People threw
crap into the river. You didn't want to swim in

(01:08:11):
it because it was just full of too many chemicals
and things. You didn't want to eat the fish out
of it. So we really had some serious problems there,
and we called attention to this. I think we launched
a lot of the stuff for the Clean Air Act
and Clean Water Act things like that, and changed the
way businesses ran their operations. They changed their own attitudes.

(01:08:36):
They became very cooperative and you don't see the same
old attitudes and unconcerned about environmental quality anymore. So we
had a it was a very worthwhile thing to do
you don't see the kinds of pollution in the United
States and many other developed countries that you used to.
So I think what we still there was a very

(01:09:01):
good thing. But as the environmental movement grew and became
the environmentalist and climate movement and so forth, they wanted
to shut down so much of modern society unless it
was the parts that they liked, whether it was a
nice bike or a car, or their own home. Things
like that. They didn't They despised capitalism as they sought.

(01:09:26):
They didn't understand capitalism or industrialization. They didn't understand. So
we were talking anywhere any of their things came from.
So and it became a matter of what scare stories
like destroying the planet with climate change because of fossil fuels,
can we concoct in order to give ourselves and our

(01:09:48):
regulator and legislative buddies more and more power over people's
daily lives and what they can buy, what they can't,
where they can fly if they are allowed to fly.
Al gore Can and Bernie Sanders can go off flying
wherever they want to on private jets, but the rest
of us are supposed to stay home because flying for

(01:10:09):
the masses is against the environment and is going to
cause catastrophic climate change, all kinds of nonsense like that.
So what we started became a kind of monster of
Frankenstein that we've had a hard time controlling in the
years since. And we need to get back to controlling
them so that they can't control us and have bringing

(01:10:32):
common sense and reality back into all of environmentalism. And
this is what I really think Lee Zelden and Doug
Bergham and the Trump administration as a whole are trying
to do. You go overseas to Germany, and they have
gone so in whole hog on wind and solar power

(01:10:53):
in a country that has less wind and solar energy
coming into the country, more cloudy days than in almost
any other country in Europe, and they're destroying their economy,
They're destroying their industries, sending them out of the country.
It's like California. They don't mind importing a third, almost

(01:11:14):
a third of their electricity from Washington, Oregon, other places,
even from Arizona, the big nuclear power plant just outside
of Phoenix, but they don't want to produce any of
it in their own state because then they can say
we are clean and green here in California, we just
suck the energy out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Of I Paul, there's a huge price to pay for
that being plained in grand for instance, in the state
of New Jersey, Governor Phil Murphy has had this push
ever since he came into office seven years ago that
he wanted New Jersey to be just like California. So
they try to push wind and solar on New Jersey.

(01:11:55):
And what they did was they closed the Oyster Creek
nuclear power plant down ten years ahead of schedule. They
destroyed the Beasley Point power plant. They've shut down other
power plants. And now that what has happened is New
Jersey is importing forty percent of it of its energy.

(01:12:15):
And by the way, this coming June, they're increasing energy
rates seventeen percent, which means in the last two years
the price of electric has gone up thirty seven percent
to make up for the energy they have to import now.
And then they're going, you know what they've They've created.

(01:12:37):
They've created a catastrophe, They've created a hazard.

Speaker 12 (01:12:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
It's so it's not just California, it's it's wherever you
have liberalism. And you know, Paul, I agree with you.
I think in the beginning there was a definite need
for for a mind towards the ecology. As you say,
there was a lot of dirty, polluted places that needed
to be cleaned up. But I wonder anymore that if

(01:13:05):
they're just in business to make work now to justify
their existence rather than continue to make things clean and grain.
I mean, again, you mentioned California. There are places in
California where the farmers can't grow anything because they're diverting
water for a one inch fish that's not even on

(01:13:28):
the endangered species list. You know that what they've done
is they're sacrificing humanity and human activity for nonsense down.
I wonder if the EPA, even if needs exist anymore,
and maybe Lee's Elton, should do the same thing that
Linda McMahon is supposed to do with the Department of Education,

(01:13:49):
and that is put it out of business.

Speaker 12 (01:13:52):
Well, I think to a large degree, we can put
EPA out of business because they've accomplished what they were
originally created to do. And EPA was just an agglomeration
of offices and agencies out of other departments pulled together
into a new EPA by Richard Nixon Executive Order. It
was not something brand new we already had it, it

(01:14:15):
was just spread out over more government agencies and they
consolidated it. But the reality is exactly what you're talking about,
and it's not just because New Jersey has to import energy.
It's what we were talking about a few minutes ago.
If you start doing all this wind and solar stuff,
you have to have a dual system, and they both

(01:14:37):
cost massive amounts of money. You have to build all
your wind and solar and electric lines, and then you
have to also have a duplicate system of backup power,
whether it's coal or gas or batteries, and that doesn't
come cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, you know, they were supposed to put all these
windmills out at sea. Donald Trump is put a squash
to that program. And even if they did, what would
happen to those windmills when the first hair came sandy
rips up the east coast and destroys all those windmills.
Where we're going to get our energy then? And so

(01:15:15):
for solar, what they've done is they've transformed farmland or
they cut down forest land to accommodate these solar farms.
So what you know, it's almost like, well, they say,
we need we need to cut down on co two. Well,
plants and trees take in seeing to and give out oxygen. So,

(01:15:39):
in other words, they're destroying one facet that they say
we need to accomplish something else that we really didn't need, Paul,
we really didn't need this. And the amount of energy
that you could get from a six inch pipe that's
put into the ground to extract gas and oil. I mean,
the footprint of that six inch pipe is a hell

(01:16:02):
of a lot smaller than these massive wind farms and
solar farms that don't work. In fact, in Ivanpaul, which
is on the California Nevada border, they just shut down
a huge so it didn't work, and you know what,
it generated.

Speaker 12 (01:16:20):
A minuscule amount of electricity. First, that's a massive amount
of land and money.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
And it's saving people in California money because they shut
this thing down. Hey, Paul, we got to run, But
you know, buddy, we always appreciate you joining us here.
But before you go, please tell already and sow they
can keep up with you the things you write and
find out more about Sea Fact. The Committee for Constructive Tomorrow.

Speaker 12 (01:16:46):
Thanks for the opportunity. Yeah, I'll go to CFaCT dot org.
You'll find on a lot of my stuff there, and
if you want to see twenty years worth of my writings,
go to town hall dot com and go under the
column this and look for my name. So it's been
great being back with you. And if we can conclude
with one final comment, I love this story how Germany

(01:17:10):
cut down some forests in order to build wind turbans,
and then they realized the wind turbans weren't working very well,
they were becoming obsolete, and there was coal underneath the
wind turbans, so they cut down the wind turbans to
extract the coal.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
To mind, Nicole, that's rich. Paul Dreason again, thank you
so much for joining us, Take care and God.

Speaker 12 (01:17:33):
Bless thanks, God bless you my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
And you are listening to and watching the Conservative Commanders
with Sharon Engel, and you're surely recturator. On the other side,
we're going to be joined by Judge Phil gin Is,
the president of the Southern Evangelical Seminary, and we're going
to talk about is the US facing a constitutional crisis?
We'll answer that more right after this break.

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Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commanders Radio
Show with Sharon Angle and you're surely Rich Trader, coming
to you from the my Pillar Studios and my Store
studios of the au N TV Network. And you know, Sharon,
one of the things I've really enjoyed every years of
doing this show is meeting a lot of new friends

(01:19:45):
which have become longtime friends at the show. And we
have another one of those people along with this and
please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
My pleasure to introduce Judge Phil Gann, who was appointed
President of the Southern Event Angelical Seminary in April of
twenty twenty one after a distinguished career as both the
lawyer and a judge. He holds a BA from Appali
Appalachian State University, at JD from the University of North

(01:20:16):
Carolina at Chapel Hill, and at Doctor a Ministry from
Southern Event Jelical Seminary. Prior to his appointment as ss President,
Judge gen served as se S Chairman of the Board
of Trustees, Judge Phil Gen Welcome back to the Conservative
Commandos radio studios.

Speaker 6 (01:20:36):
Sharon's always a pleasure and it is Appalachian.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yes, I got corrected many times. I went to South Carolina.
My son is going to Southern Wesleyan University there at
Central and they all said, what are you saying? It's

(01:20:59):
apple action. Okay, I did it. And you know we
do the same thing to anyone who says Nevada instead
of Nevada. So I get it. I get it. I
wanted to talk to you about a constitutional crisis. I'm

(01:21:21):
going to give you a quote, your quote. We find
ourselves as a nation with a real power struggle amongst
our branches of government, which is predominantly pitting the presidency
of Donald Trump against the judiciary of b Barack Obama
and Joe Biden. We feel it. We feel it almost daily.

(01:21:43):
It seems like with judicial decisions that seem to trump
the Constitution. And that's not I didn't mean to do
a play on words there, but it is fitting what
it'll work.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
It'll work.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
So talk to us a little bit about that statement
and how it does play out in each one of
our lives.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
Well, I think it goes even deeper than just the
pitting of the president against the judiciary. What what's happened
that they're two or three maj Well, three major things,
in my opinion of Sharon number one, and I'm not
taking them in the in the order I think the

(01:22:31):
most important one I mentioned third, But the first one
is we've become so just separated in our nation that
we're polarized as a people, and and that polarization is
relatively equal, which causes obviously the legislative branch, which has

(01:22:52):
been infected by that, to be just really ineffected. I mean,
they can't get anything done. They're paralyzed and in a
lot of wor certainly they can't get it done quickly.
And so that causes the executive branch to have to
act in a way that maybe is not the best
way to govern, but may be the only way to govern,
and that's through executive orders. And then you've got the

(01:23:15):
third branch of government, which is the judiciary, which has
really been infected by this disease of looking at our
constitution as a living, breathing document. In other words, the
document can change or will change as the culture changes,
and this culture views it and when you do that,
you open the door really for power to control what

(01:23:38):
the Constitution says and does. And so if we get
to that point, which we're fast becoming in this nation,
then I'm want to try to get in power to
force my views on you before you can get in
power to force your views on me. And that's where
we are. That's really the discrepancy. And with this universal

(01:23:59):
jurisdiction in a federal district court judges, where you know
when I when I'm coming through court, I have I
have the power over the people in front of me
in the court room. I can't issue injunctions against a
class of people unless it's a class action lawsuit. And
class action lawsuits a special things very hard to get to.

(01:24:21):
What you got is district court federal district court judges
who now are entering uh, even as we found in
d C in that case where he didn't even have
your siiction, he's entering an injunction against that covers the
whole nation, which is totally unconstitutional, and you only can
get there by looking at a living branding document. I

(01:24:42):
think that really the more sound to this third thing, though,
share and and that is we have left our first
love in this nation, and that is the morals that
are the basis of who we are and what we
are as a nation under God. And once we lose
those morals, then that moral basis, I call it to godline,

(01:25:05):
then we're open to everything that comes our way. And
there is no absolute truth for our nation if we
take that path. And obviously I don't agree with that,
because I think absolute truth is there, but in effect
we have no absolute truth because nobody believes it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Well. And I think that the President.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
Agrees with you, there's no question about that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
In fact, he really did say in his Easter address
that we were still a nation under God, and I
think that that has been our motto for many years
now and we need to get back there. But beyond that,

(01:25:53):
there seems to be this whole thing that you're describing.
Has seemed to bring about an high Christian flavor, and
to such an extent that Pam Bondi has even said
that she's going to crack down on anti Christian discrimination

(01:26:14):
within the government and also on these crimes against Christians.
I don't know that everybody feels it, but certainly in
some areas there is it is more prevalent and I
think you're right about that. So talk to us a

(01:26:34):
little bit about where we go from here. How do
we get back to one nation under God.

Speaker 6 (01:26:43):
Well, first of all, the anti Christian biob certainly under
mister Biden's administration was real, and I think he continues
to be real. And I'll explain that in just a minute.
But when mister Biden was in power and his men
and whoever it was it was running the government, I
can't really tell you at this point in time. I've

(01:27:03):
got some theories about who it might have been, but
we may never know who was running who was really
the president. Certainly they weren't the elected president, uh when
they're run in the country, but just for a little
school like Southern Evangelical Seminary.

Speaker 11 (01:27:17):
And you and Rick know that that I I am
not shy about speaking what I believe, and you know
we get we don't take government money because we don't
want to be entangled by that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:30):
The only money we've ever taken from the government has
been VA benefits, and we believe those belong to the
to the individual servicemen. What ended up happening was they
wanted us in order to be able to take VA benefice.
We had to comply with title for which is basically
saying we had to hire LGBT q R s T,

(01:27:51):
whatever those numbers are or letters are anymore. Uh and
and really go against what our base statement of faith
includes and open up our doors to anybody and everybody.
And we had to fight that. We got we managed
to get a temporary exemption UH in that situation while

(01:28:15):
it was on appeal. And now that seems to be
going away under mister Trump, thankfully. But let me also
say to you that there is embedded in our in
our nation, a whole bureaucracy of people who are very
anti Christian. And this bureaucracy I described him as being
like Kudzuo, it's taken over everything. Uh. And this bureaucracy

(01:28:39):
is what mister Musk and mister Trump have been attacking.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
UH.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
And they're the ones that's setting policy in the country.
As we get into the do all of these different things,
they're cutting policy. And the only thing that keeps them
from setting the policy and keeps them from running amok
is the presidential orders. The executive orders that mister Trump
has been been issued. Again that may be not the
best way to run a government, and it certainly could

(01:29:04):
lead itself to an autocratic form of government, but it's
the only way to get anything done then because they've
been so invetted. Now, if you ask me what to do,
I think there's only one thing that can do that
can be done to change all of this sharing, and
that is we've got to turn our hearts back to
God as a nation. If the law does not exist

(01:29:25):
in the hearts of the people, that doesn't exist at all.
Sharing and until we get even in our churches, even
in our good churches, we're seeing that less than fifteen
percent of the people actually know what they believe and
why they believe what they believe. But there's good news
out there. There is good news out there. We're seeing

(01:29:46):
anecdotal evidence of it on college campuses of maths conversions,
Ohio State, Auburn, Florida State, even our own Appalachian State
University in North Carolina. You saw it at Asbury University.
There's lots of other anecdotal examples. In fact, the Ohio

(01:30:07):
State University revival was led by the football team of
all people, of all people, and so you know, there's
examples of that. But we're also seeing I'm following George
Barnes look at this, and he's found that, interestingly enough,
this youngest generation is the most conservative generation to come
along in a long, long time. And not only that,

(01:30:31):
but they are turning to read, to buy in the Bibles.
They're reading their Bibles, they're seeking something more than themselves,
and many of them are seeking Christ. And it is
actually being led by young males. Jarn There's a higher
percentage of young males turning to the Lord than any
other segment of our population. And I say, thank God,

(01:30:55):
let the revivals start.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Amen. We were talking about this. I lead a little
Bible study on Mondays in Revelation, and we were talking
about this coming revival that we're all seeing on college
campuses and within this group of seventeen to thirty five
year olds, especially young men. And one of the statements

(01:31:20):
made was that it's because the young men have been
backed in a corner. The culture has stolen their masculinity
and their place in society. It's anybody but you you know,
like you mentioned the LGBTQ, that whole thing, that's okay,

(01:31:43):
but to be a man in our society is not acceptable,
and so they're backed into a corner and they really
have no place else to go. But God, do you
think that's a correct a summary of what's going on
or do you think there's more to it?

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
Well, I think there's more to it, And let me
tell you what. I think. You're right, and I think
that's a major issue. I was talking to a young
man the other day who had made the decision that
he's moving away from what the culture wants to the Lord,
and I said, just tell me why. He said, for
the first time in my life, I've been told that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
It's all right to do that, to be a man.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:26):
Yeah, And I have to give that. You know, I
don't know what mister Trump's spiritual life looks like. I don't.
I'm not trying to be critical of it when I
say that, but I don't know. But at a very minimum,
he has announced that it's okay to be a Christian
in America again. And I think these young men are

(01:32:47):
hearing that and are responding to that, and that's the
reason why he got a much larger percentage of the
young people vote. You know, it's interesting mister Biden tried
to buy him with us, all of us forgiveness of
student debt, and we turned against him and didn't vote
for him even after all of that. And it was

(01:33:07):
because these young people, if they're going to rebel against
what's going on, they turned acrost in this day and time.
And now they've been told by mister Trump that it's
okay they do that. So I see, I see our
culture changing to some degree. I just hope it keeps going.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Our guests for this segment is Judge Phil Gin. He's
the president of the Southern Evangelical Seminary, and we're discussing
is the US facing a constitutional crisis? Judge Gin, thank
you for holding through that break. We really do appreciate
your time.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Well, it's so much fun to talk to you, guys.
I would I would wait a good bit longer than
that if I need you to Judge Gin.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Each and every show we do here. I have three
things by my side. What is a copy of our Constitution.
And the other is a bible that my dear friend
Sharon bought me for Christmas. It's the American Patriots Bible.

(01:34:14):
And three, it's a list of sayings quotes from our
founding fathers of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams and John
Adams said, our constitution was made only for a moral
and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government

(01:34:35):
of any other. And you know, Judge, when we talk
about are we in a constitutional crisis? I think there
are three fallacies that the left have. Number one is
that we are this country was formed upon faith. You know,

(01:34:58):
the founding fathers didn't always hold their meetings at what's
now known as Independence hal it was Carpenters Hall at
the time. Many times they held their meetings in churches
and on church properties, and they never started a meeting
that they didn't start with the prayer. Number two, there's

(01:35:22):
a book called the Atkins Bible. It was printed in
eighteen eighty one by Robert Atkins. It was the first
English language Bible printed in America, and it was the
only Bible that was approved and recommended by the US Congress.
And they approved it because there was as shortage of

(01:35:44):
Bibles and they believed that a Bible should be in
every classroom. So this idea of separating church and state,
that's a fallacy. The other fallacy is that this is
a democracy. This is not a democracy. It is a republic,
and it's driven by the rule of law, and the

(01:36:06):
root of that is our constitution. And I think the
third fallacy here is that the judicial is now overreaching
its power that if you don't like a law, what
you do, or if you don't like something that our
executive wants to do, our president wants to do, the

(01:36:29):
solution is go to the courts to overrule. And you
can find a judge that will overrule anything the president
or the Congress wants to do. And sir, that is
not three equal branches of government. That is the judicial
and their overreach overriding our rightful brands is the government

(01:36:54):
of the executive and the legislative. Your thoughts on those things.

Speaker 6 (01:37:00):
Well, I think our courts became overactive. And you know,
if you've got a bladder and it's sober active, it's
a problem. And the same thing true with court systems.
It really started back probably under Earl Warren years ago
when I was a boy. I haven't been fifty or

(01:37:21):
forty or fifty years ago. And the whole idea became
that the ends justify the means. In other words, when
it came in front of a judge, the judge is
supposed to be an interpreter of the law. He or
she is a reactionary individual supposed to be only it
takes the law and applies it to the facts. That's

(01:37:44):
it in the court room, and not supposed to be
a legislative body by any means. But this whole concept
that the court system saw something they didn't like and
instead of telling the just overruling the law in or
whatever it might be, and sending it back to the

(01:38:07):
legislature to try again, the course started fixing it for
the legislature. And that's where we got in trouble. Uh.
It may have been for a good cause. I mean,
I'm not arguing integration, that's not That's not what I'm
talking about. But the course over stuff. They're bounds in
doing something. It did it in Rosie Wade.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
They really, they really legislated. Uh. And you know, my
good friend Frank Twutt wrote a book entitled Legislating Morality,
and the point he made was, where we legislating the
morality as a culture. Every day we we create morality
as a culture. The question is who whose morality are
we creating? Whose morality? Whose morality are we pushing? And

(01:38:44):
obviously the morality that's been pushed is not the Judaeo
Christian morality that you uh, very accurately depicted as the
basis for our constitution. To you know, this, this whole
concept of the ends justified the means. It's frightening to me.

(01:39:07):
And you look at the Palestinians. I'm broadening our scope
here a little bit, I know, but you see these
banners as the Palestinian worshipers, anti Semitic folks go down
by any means necessary. In other words, whatever my goal
is as a person, whatever that is, whatever my group's

(01:39:31):
goal is, we're going to try to achieve that by
any means necessary. That's why we've got radicals saying that
it's okay to kill somebody if they're the president of
United Healthcare. That's not a problem. They probably needed kill.
Don't worry about Chud here.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
They're not just threatening the CEO of United Healthcare. There
are out there, there are people out there right now
that are advocating for the assassination of not just President Trump,
but Elon Musk. And all Elon Musk is trying to
do is is is do what every politician has ever

(01:40:09):
run for office said they were going to do and
never did. And that's cut weights for aud in abuse
and that's all Elon Musk is doing well, yet they're
going for his death.

Speaker 6 (01:40:22):
Any it ironic that Democrats have created their monster. Uh
if they had been doing what they promised to do,
Donald Trump would never exist in the form that he
is now. Absolutely, And I think it's kind of funny
because now they're just outraged. Beookall, somebody's doing what they
promised to do all along. But that's that's neither here

(01:40:43):
nor there for our conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Well, judge Philgain, you know one thing about our conversations.
We we we can go anywhere we want because it
is a conversation. And I wanted to you know, I
wanted to talk with you a little bit before we
have to say good to you about the of Pope Francis. Now, I,
as a Catholic, was not a fan of the of

(01:41:09):
the the Pope of Pope Francis. I was a fan
of John Paul the Second. Why because John Paul the
Second was a conservative pope. John Paul the Second tried
to lead the church. I think in the in the
on the road that Jesus Christ would have wanted. I

(01:41:32):
think that, uh, the that Pope Francis was radical in
in in the sense that we have radicals in this
nation that are trying to lead the lead our nation
away from this route from its roots. I think that's
what the Pope Francis was was was heading for. Maybe

(01:41:56):
he didn't go as far as a lot of liberals want,
but I think that I think we could have had
a better pope in the last several years than Pope Francis.
God bless him. He's with you know, God and Jesus now.
But I hope, I'm hoping that what happens moving on

(01:42:20):
from here is that we do get another pope, more
in the line of Pope John Paul the Second, rather
than another Pope Francis.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
Well, Rick, you know, the one thing I would say
is that any man's death, whether they're pope or or
just a bum on the street, is a great concern
to me. Their their eternal well being is a great
concern to me. I look at it from not coming
from a Catholic background. I'm an Evangelical background. And there

(01:42:54):
were times where there have been times in the past
where you and I could have a conversation because of that.
But I'm so thankful we're past those times now. And
that we can we can talk freely about these kinds
of things. I share your concern. I thought that the
Pope Francis basically was Communist in his uh, in his heritage,
and it's hard to shake that it really is that

(01:43:16):
gets indoctrinated into you. And UH, I just felt like
he was bringing some concepts into the papacy that that
didn't belong there. Number one, UH, I think that if
you want to call it wokeism or whatever you wanted
to call, that movement was certainly well and and uh
in good standing and in the Vatican during his role.

(01:43:40):
I share your your thoughts that John Paul the Second
was probably uh, in my mind, far superior pope to
a character than than Pope Francis. But I do think
after having said all of that, that, as with any pope,
the question now becomes who's going to replace it? And

(01:44:02):
that ought to be a great concern for folks all
over the world, because you know, the Catholic folks far
out number most every other faith, and at a very minimum,
we share a stalwart Evangelical and a stalwart Catholic would
would share much of the same moral vase that would

(01:44:24):
prevail with anyone who followed God in the Judaeo Christian
from a Judaeo Christian point of big And so I'm
like you, I'm very hopeful that whoever is elected as
the next pote, they don't try to make a statement
with it, but they try to look inside to find
the spiritual basis for who God would call to that around.

(01:44:50):
That's far more important than making some sort of diversity statement.
And I know that Pope Francis was the first Latin pope,
and you know, that's great. Arack Obama was the first
black of president. That's great too, you know, but that
doesn't have any that doesn't have any bearing to me.
You know, just because somebody comes from a certain cultural

(01:45:11):
background or a certain race doesn't mean they're going to
be a good pope for a good president. Well, you know,
I'm just they're going to find the best man for
that job.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Well lots of so. But the problem I see is
this judge. Again, just as over the last twelve of
the last sixteen years, we've had Democrats in the White
House appointing liberal judges, Jordan, the reign of Pope Francis,
what he has appointed is a lot of liberal cardinals

(01:45:47):
and then the liberal cardinals that are going to pick,
choose and vote on our next pope. That's what has
me concerned that there are a lot of people who
are atalycts that really do see a split happening in
the Catholic Church. That you're going to have the liberal

(01:46:08):
Catholic Church and that you're going to have the conservative
Roman Catholic Church. To go through that exactly. And we've
seen that other with other denominations, and and I do
not think that that would be good for the Catholic
Church or even Christianity.

Speaker 6 (01:46:30):
I agree. You said something a while ago that intrigued
me a little bit, and it triggered the thought in
my mind. Rick. You said that how much the three
things you kept on your desk was was the copy
of the Constitution and the copy of the Bible that
Sharon had given to you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:46:45):
And and and just let me say this, I think
the Constitution is to the United States as the Bible
ought to be the Christians, that Bible ought to be
read as as a literal document and eric and album
and and good for everything in our lives as it

(01:47:06):
is written. We don't need I'm not gonna be like
Thomas Jefferson and just cut out the parts of old
like I would like to do that, but you know,
the old thing goes. One thing God didn't include in
the Bible was my opinion it wasn't very important to
him apparently, And likewise, that constitution is so important to
who we are, and it should be. It should be

(01:47:27):
interpreted with great reverence. It should be interpreted literally, and
it should be interpreted uh as as it is and
not as we might want it to be at any
given moment in time.

Speaker 1 (01:47:41):
I didn't tell you that I've been I think it's
so important. I wish everybody would have the Bible and
their Constitution around them deily. Even if they don't pick
it up and read it every time they look at
the books, they're going to think about it. They're going
to think about the importance of our constitution and think
about the importance of word of the God Jesus. I

(01:48:04):
also mentioned that I have quotes from our founding fathers,
Thomas Jefferson and John Adams and others here in front
of me, and even if I don't read them every day,
just be just having them in front of me reminds
me of the importance of what they said, what they
stood for, and I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
I think, well, just let me give you, let me
give you one little snippet of information about our constitution
that a lot of people don't understand. You know, I'm
very proud you and I had a conversation about North
Carolina earlier. I'm very proud that it's my adopted state.
I too, texting by birth. I'm a Texan by birth,

(01:48:46):
but I'm North Carolinian by Lenny. And North Carolina was
one of the two states have refused to ratify the
Constitution until we had to build a rights and so
I'm very proud of that. And you know, we go
over in Europe today and there's lots of lots more
infringement of religious freedom in Europe and in that area

(01:49:06):
than there is in the United States. And there's one
reason for that. They have no stated basis for religious
for religious freedom, We've got that guaranteed, and the number
one first verse of the Bill of Rights, you know,
gives us that religious freedom that's not written into the

(01:49:28):
constitution in England or France or whatever. And by the way,
Francis constitution was based on a reliance on man, while
Iris was based, as you well said, on a reliance
on God. Their constitution led them to Napoleon. Ours led
us to a great way of governing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Well, the other thing, Judge Gin, I don't know the
average American knows the importance of her constitution. For instance, reason,
there was a man who was praying silently, praying silently
outside an abortion clinic in England, and the police come

(01:50:11):
up to him and they ask him what he was doing,
and he said he was praying, and they asked him
what he was what he was praying for, and he
says he was praying for the baby that he and
his wife had aborted. And he was arrested because he
was silently praying for his baby, silently praying for his

(01:50:35):
baby in front of an abortion clinic. He was arrested.
And we see case after case in England, even in
Canada of people that are arrested for what they say.
And why is that they don't have a constitution we
do that protects art our freedom of speech, our fear,

(01:50:57):
freedom of religion, our freedom of an assembly or supposedly.

Speaker 6 (01:51:03):
Yeah, I agree with you, Rick, And that's my point is,
Bill Rise, that is the patch of our constitution is
so valuable to us, and the freedom of speech and
the freedom of religion go hand and hate, because the
speech that they're trying to quell is religious speech.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Judge Phil again, we always appreciate you, appreciate you joining
us here on the Conservative Commanders. We know you're traveling
today and you actually took time out of your travels
to join us, and we greatly appreciate that. But before
you go, please tell an audience how they could follow you,
how they can read the things that you're right, and

(01:51:44):
how they can find out more about the Southern Evangelical Seminary.

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
It's really simple, Rick, you need to go to SEES
dot edu. We're excited at SEES. We are enrollment at
a time when enrolled us going down. Ours is up
over thirty one percent over the last two years. When
we're thrilled about that. We've got several initiatives that are
going out to help the average ordinary person in their faith,

(01:52:10):
including disciple making and that sort of thing. So I'm
excited about that. We're even talking with Billy Graham Evangelistics
Association about a partnership and some of those things that
they're doing, and we're going to be a part of it.
It looks like so great days are happening. You're sds
dot edu.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Judge Ken again. Thank you so much for joining us.
As I said, we always appreciate you. Take care and God.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
Bless God bless you guys, and God bless Sharon too.
So you take care of yourself.

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Ask you to thank our guests. We had a couple
of great guests.

Speaker 2 (01:57:05):
Always my pleasure to thank our guests. Our first guest,
longtime friend of the show, Failed Reason, who's senior policy
advisor for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. See fact
we talked to him about Birthday, and I just described
some of my Earth Day experiences, and we went into

(01:57:32):
the conflict that there is the seeming disconnect between what
comes from the earth and what we use it for,
and how many times the people who are celebrating the
earth really are celebrating things that they really don't understand

(01:57:55):
the source of. So I was glad that Paul came
on and talked to us about birthday. Our second guest
that I want to thank is doctor I mean not doctor,
but Judge Filgin, who was appointed president of the Southern
Evangelical Seminary. He talked to us about the US facing

(01:58:18):
a constitutional crisis, and of course I mentioned him as
we came into this segment because of a kind of
a place where we went. Even though we're in constitutional crisis,
he saw the hope for our country in our young men.
So I want to say thank you to both of

(01:58:40):
our guests for being here.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Vote Sharon Angle dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Well that's my political website, Vote Sharon Angle dot com.
You can go there and read my articles, lots of
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it's not unique to Nevada. So I think that even
if you don't live in Nevada, you might like to
see my take on some of the things that are
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security of it, the fairness of it, and even the

(01:59:28):
trustworthiness of it. So that's there on my website. It's
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Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
So, Sharon, I want to thank you for sitting in
today as my co host, but for right now, we
are out of time. We got to run and we
got to go. Take care Godless. We'll see tomorrow and
that's going to be on TVN on rate. Yeah,

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