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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:29):
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of Frontiers of Freedom. And George, welcome back, Welcome back
to Conservative Commanders.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's great to be here. This is the place to
be so you know, it doesn't get any better than this.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
George, I know you've always come prepared with the list
of things to talk about, but I wanted to get
your impression of the last few days. You know, here
we had on Friday, we have President Trump meeting with
Putin in Alaska, and then things must have happened over
the weekend because within a few days Zelensky shows up

(01:17):
at the White House. Eight members of the European Union
show up at the White House, Macrum and you know,
all the big names are at the White House. I
really have to believe, and I wanted to get your
opinion that something is happening. I think that something is
finally moving on the Ukraine, and I wanted to get

(01:39):
your impression of what has happened within the last few days.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, I have a feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
And one of the reasons maybe why Trump didn't spend
a lot of time talking about the details of his
conversation with Putin is that he has to kind of
help Putin.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
If you will save face, because if the.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Deal is going to end up that they don't get
to claim additional land in Ukraine. They may keep the
Crimea but that was from twenty fourteen when Obama as president.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
But they don't, you know, if they don't.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Get to claim additional land, and if they have to
get the heck out of Ukraine, and if they have
to promise to never attack them again, and the rest
of the world will not take because Russia has a
strong track record of violating ceasefires and peace agreements. They
that's why Donald Trump said trust but verify. It was

(02:31):
kind of a you know, he wasn't honestly saying he
trusted them. He was just basically saying, you know, well, yeah,
we'll verify. And so I think I suspect that part
of the reason why the conversation was not public was
so that Trump could have explained to him, this is
what's going to happen to you and to Russia if
you keep this crap up.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I've had it up to here and I'm about done.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
And so perhaps that's what's the reason why the rest
of Europe was really to come over, because all of
a sudden they all want the war to be over too,
but sometimes they were willing to kind of continue funding
it and keeping it going and things like that. So
I think what's happened is there's probably going to be
an agreement, and I think the two key things that
Trump has kind of signaled are going to be is that.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
What Putin will get to tell as people is well,
we got CRIMEA. Well they actually already had CRIMEA, but
you know.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
And then secondly that Ukraine has agreed to not persist
in trying to become a member of NATO, but they'll
be NATO troops or troops from Europe in along the
border there to make sure, there's no engagement. So on
the one hand, it's kind of like, really, so you
don't want them to belong to NATO, but you're okay,
okay having NATO troops on the border, and so I

(03:49):
think that's kind of an interesting thing. But it's just
that it was designed, probably by Donald Trump, to protect
Ukraine and the war and end it permanently, but give
Putin and the ability to claim some kind of victory
because totalitarian dictators can't, you know, go home saying yeah,
I got my butt kicked.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
They destroyed me and I'm embarrassed.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
You know, they can't do that because that means that
they will no longer be in power, and that's what
they're all about, his power. So I think Trump's understands
these nuances and is playing the game to get the
best results.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Well, Georchy, you seem to be in the majority minority,
because everybody that I've been listening to her been exposed
to the past couple of days that says that it's saying.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
That they believe Putin's going to get Island, He's going
to get the dumb bus, he's gonna hold on to Crimea.
I was just listening to Condaliza Race, and she was saying, well,
she was speaking with a businessman from the Ukraine and
actually said, let him have the dumb Bus reaching because

(05:00):
the dumb Bus region is pretty well destroyed right now.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
It's it's not just a rust belt, but it's a
rost belt that's absolutely been fought over and destroyed.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I'm also very concerned.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, it could be like it's you know in Germany
when we bombed it, there could be parts of it
that were fine.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's it's been fought over very heavily for the last
three years, you know, by both sides, by both sides.
I'm very concerned about giving up land for peace. We've
seen in the past giving up land for peace doesn't
really seem to work. It didn't work with Hitler when

(05:43):
Hitler wanted the sedate and land and naval Chamberlain gave
up the sedate and land and oh that's that didn't
satisfy Hitler. As we all know, land for peace hasn't
worked in the Middle East. I don't know. I'm maybe
there are some places in history with that land land
for pieces work, But when you're dealing with the guy,

(06:07):
a ruthless guy like Vladimir Putin. I'm not so sure
about that. That that has me concerned. It's like, yeah,
he's going to take the first fight now, and maybe
it'll be satisfied as long as there's a Donald Trump
in the White House. But he knows in another three
years down the line, it may be something else. And

(06:31):
another thing I felt was extremely extremely interesting after their
meeting on Friday and they're making their joint statement together.
You know, Donald Trump has been saying for years, for
a couple of years that if he was president, this
word would have never happened. Well, I Vladimir Putin on

(06:52):
Friday said that if Donald Trump at one in twenty twenty,
this word would have never happened. I thought that would
is a remarkable statement coming from Vladimir Putin, and it
really kind of backs up everything that Donald Trump's been
saying about this war.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, you're right.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I agree with you about the idea of land for peace,
because what ends up doing is it's kind of like
paying Putin for having attacked, giving him a benefit.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
So then why wouldn't you want to attack again later?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Maybe maybe not while Donald Trump's president, but at some
future date when there's some you know, kind of leftist
idiot in the White House who like Biden and like
Kamala Harris, project weakness and inefficiency and just the.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Inability to do anything right.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Then he would be like, oh, so I can attack again,
I can, you know, and then I can get more land.
And so I think that you're right, it would make
sense to not And I think Donald Trump understands the
incentive there. My guess is part of it would like
to get back Crimea for Ukraine. But he realizes that's
been there so long and so far, you know that

(08:00):
probably it's not on the table, And so because he
wants to end the war, he wants to move forward,
and I suspect that he's willing to have an agreement
where Crimea. It'll basically see how they were that does
it mean that Ukraine officially recognizes Crimea as Russian territory
or does it just mean that they basically acknowledge it

(08:21):
in a temporary or current situation, meaning if the circumstances
were to change, could they take it back? And I
think that makes sense too. But at the same time,
I would not encourage them, to, for example, attack Russia
to get it back. But if Russia were to attack them.
I think it certainly puts everything back on the table.

(08:42):
I don't think they should ever be in a position
to say, well, CRIMEA is off the table. I think
Russia has to understand and I would hope that part
of the agreement will say that it's yours. But if
you break the agreement, that part of it also is broken,
and it isn't necessarily yours.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
George, so talk that as part of the part of
the deal that Ukraine will never become part of NATO,
what will have NATO like treaties. In other words, Europe
will be protecting the Ukraine as if it is a

(09:20):
part of NATO, although we'll never officially be part of NATO.
But in this George, if I was the Ukraine, I'd
be very very very leary. Recall at the end of
the Soviet Union, when the Soviet Union collapsed and Ukraine
declared its independence from the Soviet Union in Russia, the

(09:42):
Ukraine had many nuclear weapons and they were promised that
if they give up their nuclear weapons, their safety would
be guaranteed by the United States and Europe. Well, how
did that help him and how did that work out?
For the last now, George, I've said all along that

(10:03):
if the Ukraine had kept their nuclear weapons again, this
would have never happened.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, well you're right about that.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So how can Ukraine strust anybody? Right now?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
That's a good point.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I think the question might be is if there's peacekeepers
almost immediately in the along the Ukrainian border, that may
give them more reason to trust, because then if Russia
were to attack, that means they're attacking you know, French soldiers,
German soldiers, Polish soldiers, et cetera, et cetera, and that's
going to obviously involve them and to be blunt, if

(10:39):
Russia couldn't defeat in three years Ukraine, if Europe decides
to get involved, Russia's done, they could wipe it off
the map. And so I think it's kind of important,
and I think that's why I think Trump excuse me,
that's one way us why Trump might see that as
a good thing. But it's also why Putin realizes I've
got to find some here because this hasn't turned out

(11:02):
like I thought it would one. I think he thought
and most experts said that the when they attacked, it
would take just a matter of months to overrun the
whole country.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Weeks weeks.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, we were months, but now we're in years, and
they've really not made a lot of progress. They've gotten
some additional land, but not not a lot. It's not
really what you'd call been a major success. And then
of course Ukraine has recently been able to essentially retaliate
with pretty significant strikes on Russian infrastructure, and so I

(11:35):
think that also gives put in another reason to say, Okay,
maybe we need to.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Move on from this.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
So I think Trump is obviously pretty good. You know,
I think you're write a book suggesting he knows how
to make deals.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, I well, George, you know, I think you're right.
If if anything has been shown in this three year
it's work is actually how weak the Russian military is. Okay,
and certainly the Russian military would be no match for
your and for the United States, except for one thing, George,

(12:09):
the elephant in the in the room and all that,
and that elephant is all the nuclear weapons that Russia possesses,
you know, I mean, if this is a dog chasing
tail type scenario, Yes, Russia has proved to be weak
militarily conveying when you're talking about conventional arms. But George,

(12:34):
they still have vast numbers of nuclear weapons, so I don't.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't know England, France, Well, you're.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Right, but of course us so they don't want to
get involved in that.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Let's hope that nuclear weapons are never ever used on
Earth again. But still, you know, it's a corner cornered
dog or corner rat, cornered raccoon.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
An a cornered.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Animal is a very very dangerous thing, and it would
be putting ourselves in a dangerous situation to put Russia
in a cornered dangerous situation, don't you think.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, yeah, I think we don't want to be wise
to not foolishly encourage or motivate there to be a
nuclear war because we don't want to see that. The
world has seen it once and it's you know, I
think we can all agree we don't want to see
that again. And I hopefully that's one of the reasons
why most people are highly motivated is because they saw

(13:39):
what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they basically are
just like, yeah, don't want to do that again.

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Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, we do, and we always do, that's for sure.
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the But anyhow, he's produced and directed six documentaries.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
He's also produced a weekly series.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
On PBS called think Tank with Ben Wattenberg and Roger.
We're going to discuss with him how divided the Democrats
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Speaker 2 (20:49):
And I'm thinking to myself, that is so true today,
it's just gotten crazy.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I wrote an article about the fact that the left
has become so extreme that it's hard to even recognize
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(21:43):
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Speaker 2 (21:49):
And Reverend Johnson is going.

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To discuss with us today the well education in America
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
Now cut the great guests joining us once again. You
are conservative? Command is so Georgia reader screen, what are
you seeing on it?

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I saw an interesting news story and it was that
Kathy Hotchell, the governor of New York, the leftist Marxist
governor of New York, apparently has secretly pardoned a convicted
killer to shield him from deportation.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh you know, and said that that's not just a guess.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
She said, oh God, And I'm thinking to myself, that's crazy.
But anyhow, she's just granted thirteen pardons to illegal immigrants
who all have criminal convictions, and it's like, really, and
the purpose of that. Of course, she kept it secret,
but it finally came out when I guess one of

(22:55):
the I think was the New York Post for example,
started to you know, look into it and see what
was going on, and then they had to come out
and explain it. But it's interesting how she basically said
that that she quote, I'll be damned if I will
let them be deported to a country where they don't
know anyone they.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Were born there, George, all right, if they were born there,
I guarantee you they have relatives there, cousins, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles,
maybe even their mother and father. I mean, George, she's
putting these illegal immigrants ahead of the safety of not

(23:37):
just people in New York, the people all over the country.
This convicted killer kills somebody once, it's a great likelihood
he'll kill someone again.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, some of the illegal aliens that were criminals and
that were let out by you know, the various George
Soros prosecutors in New York, they went into other states
and killed people. Think if I recall Lake and Riley
was killed by someone who's released from up somewhere in
New England, violent crimes, and it's just like they're not

(24:11):
just harming their own citizens, they're harming everyone.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I don't know, George, just seems like the left is
so unhinged. Whatever makes sense, whatever makes common sense, They're
against whatever ridiculous, ridiculous point of view you can take.
That's what the left takes.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
No, you're right, I'm really glad, for example, that Donald
Trump hasn't come out in favor of breathing oxygen. If
he did, I can guarantee you that the primary leaders
in the Democratic Party would all come out against breathing oxygen,
which means they'd start to work to pass legislation and
regulations so that we would all have to be smothered.

(24:56):
So that's another example where he's being smart.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
He hasn't absolutely incredible.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
He hasn't come out in favor of oxygen. I'm sure
he is in favor of oxygen, but he hasn't articulated
that because if he did, it would end up killing
millions of Americans. Because the left's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know, I can't tell you, George, how many interviews
I've seen recently. I mean, these interviews go back to
the Obiden administration. We're Obama administration, where Obama was deporting
people and people like Nancy Pelosi were backing them up.

(25:37):
We're backing them up. This is what we need to do.
Chuck Schumer, same thing. I mean, all of them, George,
they were all backing up Barack Obama deporting these people.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It was great that he is a dictator.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Exactly, George, we got time. What else if you keeping
a well.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Speaking of the kind of the double standards, I think
it's very interesting that the left is acting as if
if Texas were to do any redistricting and it could
include some what you might call modest gerrymandering, they'd be outraged, like, oh,
those Republicans hate democracy. And I'm thinking to myself, Okay,

(26:22):
let's look at the facts. Places like Delaware and Hawaii, Vermont,
Rhode Island, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Maine, Connecticut, and Massachusetts
they have zero Republican seats in the Congress, and yet
they have anywhere from a third to roughly half their
voters are Republicans. And then you have places like California,

(26:47):
where about forty percent are Republicans, and guess what about
half or less than half of that is the number
of seats they have.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
They have nine out of fifty two seats. They don't
have forty percent.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
And you go to Illinois even more so forty four
more Republicans in Illinois, but fewer seats. And then New
York more Republicans still and very few seats, only seven
another twenty six. Maryland, for example, is one third little
over one third republican, but only one out of the

(27:20):
eight congressional seats is a Republican seat.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
And then in New.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Jersey, it's about half the state is Republican, but only
three seats are Republican out of their twelve. And same
thing in Oregon they're at over forty percent, forty one
percent a Republican, and yet one of the six seats
is Republican. So they just you know, that's just a

(27:45):
huge number of seats and states where they've played gerrymanderin games.
But apparently, if you listen to Gavin Newsom, it is,
oh my goodness, Texas is against democracy. It's like, no,
Gavin Newsom is again democracy, and he's actually also against
the Constitution of California because they have passed laws and

(28:06):
it's part of their system in which he cannot do
a gerrymandering scheme because they have an independent group that,
you know, like a board that does redistricting when the
time comes, and he doesn't want to do.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
It that way.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
And of course that board is appointed by mostly Democrats.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
So that's why it's they've been.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
But it also is supposedly it's not supposed to be
overtly political, and so that's why even though they have
a majority of Democrats in California, they're still twenty percent,
not very many, but twenty percent Republican seats, and he
wants it.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
To be zero or near zero.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But we're supposed to believe that Gavin Newsom is somehow
a champion of democracy, and I'm thinking to myself, no,
g Gavin Newsom is a champion of Marxism, which means
he wants control.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Indeed, indeed, and that's what's important to them. George, Hey, George,
let's get a break in because we do have a
couple of wonderful guests joining us. Reverend Ben Johnson, we'll
be joining us also, Roger Aaron Offy, a very prolific writer.
Start as something called the Citizens Commission on BEng Ghazi,
which I think did some very very good work. And well,

(29:25):
we'll be speaking with these gentlemen after this break. This
is the Conservative Commandos. Becaus is George Landreth, I'mrick Trader.
Go nowhere. We'll be back with our guests right after
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Speaker 3 (32:52):
Absolutely always happy to do it because we always have
the very best guests. And we've got Roger Aroonoff here
to prove that he is the executive and editor of
the Citizens Commission on national security. National security is a
pretty important issue because we live in a dangerous world,
and so he obviously works on that, and for example,
he founded the Citizens Commission on Benghazi, and he has

(33:17):
produced and directed six documentaries, and he also has produced
a weekly series on PBS.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Called think Tank with Ben Wattenberg.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
So he deals with these important issues all the time,
and we're really glad to have him be a part
of this discussion today because heaven knows, there's a lot
of important things happening in the world. So Roger, welcome
back to the Conservative Commando is very glad to have you.

Speaker 14 (33:40):
Thank you so much, George, great to be with you,
and Rick, as always.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I wanted to ask you about this question of it's
just kind of an odd thing because normally speaking, the
left is fairly loyal to their friends and allies, and
yet recently what we see is a real kind of
vicious attack on the sentimentority leader Chuck Schumer, and what

(34:06):
was weird is that he basically saved the Democratic Party
from looking like morons, and the people in their party
who are truly stupid, like AOC, you know, truly low
IQ individuals have been acting like he's the big problem
in America today and somehow, oh my gosh, the Democratic

(34:26):
Party has got this problem with people like Chuck Schumer.
And I'm thinking to myself, I'm not a big fan
of Chuck Schumer, so I'm not trying to argue in
his behalf. But this decision was not designed necessarily to
promote Donald Trump's agenda. Was basically just to make sure
that he and the Democrats didn't get blamed for shutting
down the government, which would not have necessarily been helpful

(34:46):
to them. So I want to ask you to help
us kind of wade through all this.

Speaker 14 (34:51):
Yeah, so I'm happy too, and thank you. And yeah,
though you're referring to my new column up on our
website CC national Security dot org, I encourage everyone to
go check it out. We have some great people there.
But to answer your question, yes, Schumer faced a dilemma

(35:11):
and the first day he came up and he said, no,
we're not going to provide the eight votes necessary to
reach sixty in the Senate to pass this continuing Resolution
that the House just passed. We are gonna let the
government shut down, and it'll be on the Republicans for
doing it, for not negotiating with us, and then the

(35:34):
next day, after an apparent meeting where he was yelled at,
based on reports by New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, he
caved and he said, Okay, we're going to go ahead
and we don't want to shut the government down. And
as I point out, there are different theories. One is
to say that he thought that the Democrats would be

(35:57):
blamed for it. My response to that is Democrats are
never blamed for it, CNN, New York Times. They will
always find a way to blame the Republicans and Trump.
So I think that was an unfounded reason, if that
was his real reason. But the problem is that Trump

(36:17):
derangement syndrome is so widespread and is so infected the
media and the Democratic Party that to even take a
position that appears to be giving Trump his way, letting
him have his way, is unacceptable. So not just the
AOC and Bernie Sanders and came out and condemned him

(36:40):
for doing this. But again, as I point out, they
in the House had a very easy vote because their
vote they could vote against it, and there was no
chance that their vote was going to make a difference.
But Schumer was faced with we either have to come
up with eight votes to help the report publicans get

(37:00):
this through and avoid shutting the government down, or you know,
we're going to be blamed, or you know, we need
to show that we can work with them in some way.
But he was just so hammered in the media and
all these calls now for him to step down as
leader of the party. It just shows where they are.

(37:21):
They're so divided, and I point to a Paul that
shows how how low their approval ratings have fallen by
over thirty points, almost forty points from a year ago.
That's Democrats approving the Democratic Party. There's so much antipathy

(37:42):
there and so they're looking at it as a situation
that do we want to move to the left, you
know with AOC and Bernie, do we want to show
that we're more moderate? In other words like Gavin Newsom,
you know, in his he started a podcast. In his
first interview, which was with Charlie Kirk, he said, yes,

(38:04):
this issue of men and women's sports is an issue
of fairness and we need to be more sensitive to that.
But the point is is by doing that again he
got hammered and he obviously has presidential aspirations, so they're
not sure which way to turn and what to do,

(38:25):
and Trump is just playing this masterfully, I believe.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I think you're right about that.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's kind of a weird thing that I see, Like
you point out that the Democratic Party's popularity has dropped dramatically,
and I'm trying to figure out is it one or
two issues or dozens of issues?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
And I have a feeling, at least my theory is
it might be lots of issues.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
An example would be I would argue border security, the
fact that the Democrats for four years defended and protected
and made sure that literally millions of people were pouring
across our border every quarter and maybe in some cases
every month, and Americans are ringing, wait a minute, this
is crazy. Look at the crime in my neighborhood, Look

(39:07):
at all the problems as have created, all those other things.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
They're saying, this is stupid.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
And or maybe, like you said, it's this whole concept
of everything from the not being sure what a man
is or a woman is or you know that kind
of just like, really, that's not that complicated, that's not
really You don't have to have a degree in biology
to be able to tell a woman from a man
and a man from a woman. But anyhow, but other

(39:32):
things as well, And so I just wanted to ask you,
do you think there's, if you will, a wide variety
of issues that the Democrats have just gone far, far
too left on and that Americans are starting to go whoa, whoa,
that's too much.

Speaker 14 (39:45):
And yes, and Trump in these first two months in
office to show them what done. In other words, they
after that bill that James Langford had doorshed and pushed,
which would have allowed five thousand in the day to
keep coming in. You know, when asked, Biden said, this
is all we can do without Congress joining in and

(40:08):
coming up with some kind of bipartisan solution. And yet
Trump comes in and within the first thirty days he
shuts the border down almost completely, with mainly by reversing
the executive orders that Biden had put in place when
he came in. So that's one. Then you have the
issue of men in women's sports, and you just see

(40:31):
like the main governor, she first said we'll see you
in court, and then they buckle. And you know, these issues,
they seem such common sense issues that it's so obvious
that men shouldn't be competing in women's sports. So then
it becomes the definition of what do you mean men,

(40:51):
you mean trans women? And so these things that like
the border, that issue, and then you know, you look
at what's happening with Russia, Ukraine and in the Middle East,
and all of a sudden, after three years of this
war and never even reaching out to Russia to try
to maybe see, is there some basis to have a

(41:14):
cease fire and then a solution to this war. So
they've stepped into doing all these things that seemed quite
obvious now. But yet the people are just so they
can't accept anything that Trump does as possibly being good,
a good thing, or for the right reason. So they're

(41:36):
stuck in that dilemma. That's the dilemma that I tried
to capture in this article.

Speaker 13 (41:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
No, I think your articles are very good and I
would definitely recommend that our viewers and listeners look it
up because lots of.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Really good points.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
And one of the points I think rays that was
very interesting to me was there's polling out right now
about who among the various Democratic leaders are leading, if
you will, as an early leader in the polls to
be the twenty twenty eight presidential candidate, And it kind
of surprised me that Kamala Harris apparently is leading. And
I'm thinking, to myself, she just lost and she was

(42:15):
a joke of a candidate. I'm thinking to myself, I
think I could have not that it would have been
constitutionally acceptable, because you can't be an eighteen year old
and run for president. But I could have gone to
a local high school and found an eighteen year old
and with a months or two of training, gotten them
to where they could have performed better on the campaign
trail and on debates and looked more like a serious
candidate than she did.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
And that's how bad a candidate she was. And it
wasn't just she had a bad day here or there.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
She's been in office for a long time and consistently
been a complete idiot and constantly saying stupid things and.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Speaking in word salads.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
And so I'm trying to figure out what is going
on that they're not looking for someone else. I mean,
is there bench that week that she's the best person
they've got, Because I think, to myself, wow, that means
that they're in deep trouble.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
Well they are, and they have again that that pull
that you're referring to shows her leading the pack with
thirty six percent, in second place, Pete Bootage in second
place at ten percent, and below that AOC and a
number of others, you know, Elizabeth Warren. They throw in
Bernie I guess he's even still considered somebody. But the

(43:32):
point is is, yes, their benches that week, and I
think Gavin Newsom was the one who presumed to be
the candidate. But you know, with the situations going on
in California, I mean they're just not sure which way
to turn. Do they go further left, do they try
to go more trumpy in And he's not really right wing,

(43:56):
you know, I mean, his policies are they're not taken
from the standard conservative playbook, you know, things like tariffs
and free trade and on a number of issues. But
they hate him so much that they branded as you know,
right wing, fascist, nazi, you know, the way they try

(44:20):
to label everything that he does, so you have that
issue with him. So yeah, they are. And if they
just start from debates and primaries, I don't think Kamala
is going to last. I mean, she could never sit
down in a real interview where they really challenge her views.

(44:41):
And ask her these kind of questions. She will never
show up as being someone well informed able to deal
with these issues. And then the contrast is Trump will
sit there for whether it's three hours with Joe Rogan
or these where he has all the press in while
he's signing executive orders, taking questions for an hour and

(45:03):
a half, and he lets all of his people go
out there, Pam Bondi and Musk and all of them
can just take questions from the press because they have
nothing to hide, you know, which is kind of what
was going on before. They couldn't really reveal their true
positions to the media, so they stayed away from them.

(45:25):
And you know what Biden was in office and Kamala.
So that's such a becoming obvious contrast between the two
parties today is the complete transparency of Trump, whether you
like him or not or the way he puts things.
He's out there and he'll take questions and it's not
just from Fox News or Real America's Voice. He'll take

(45:48):
him from anybody and everybody, and he does and so
and you get to see his thinking in real time.
It just right there for you. So that's the choice.
What we're faced with today. I mean he is he
has shown such transparency, and I think most people are

(46:09):
happy with his issues and the way he fights back
against issues like men and women's sports, and you know,
the various other issues, the energy issue and how we're
trying to you know, taxation and regulation and all these things,
and then of course digging into with DOGE and all

(46:33):
the fraud and you know the Stacy Abrams two billion
dollars project for mngos that you're finding. Just today in
their cabinet meeting, they went through a whole list of
these new contracts that they've found with mgos and others

(46:54):
that are just obvious fraud and things that are so
ridiculous that we would ever give grants for it for
millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars to
look into, you know, various issues to do with transgender
and DEI and all that. So it's it's quite an

(47:15):
amazing time. And I just came back from Seapack and
it was quite a celebration of this whole change in
what our government has become.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Indeed, that's a very good point, and that's a great
place for us to take a quick break. So folks,
don't go away because the conservative commandos with Rick Trader
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Speaker 1 (50:10):
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(50:51):
Roger Aronoff is our guest segment. He's the executive director
of the Citizens Committee on Nationals or the Citizens Commission
on National Security. He also co founded the Citizens Committee
on Benghazi. Hey, Roger, thank you for holding through that break.
We appreciate your time and appreciate you being with us. Roger,

(51:16):
I just think that what we're seeing now in history
is absolutely astonishing. Everything that's transpired over the last four years.
I mean, here you've got, You've got all the all
the investigations, indictments, impeachments, trials, mugshots, Donald Trump rallying to

(51:41):
win every battleground state, increasing gains in the Senate. And
now what we're seeing during the first two months of
his administration, I've never I've never seen anything like it,
have you.

Speaker 14 (51:56):
Roger, No, it's mad because they have thrown everything at him,
starting in his first administration, from the Russia Gate oaks
to all of the two impeachments, and then since he's
been out of office, since he announced again in twenty

(52:18):
twenty two he was running, then they started up just
unprecedented law fair against him in every one of those cases.
And I've linked to them because I've written about him
in the past. How each one was really orchestrated by
the White House? I'm talking about the John wand.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
To ask you about that for it was it orchestrated
by the White House?

Speaker 7 (52:41):
I e.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Joe o'biden or was it instigated by his autopen crew.
I'm serious, Roger. You know what we're hearing now about
the auto pen And we've seen evidence how the signatures
on so many of these executive orders coming from Joe
o'biden match exactly to each other, exactly to each other.

(53:07):
Something was who knows if Joe Biden knew those executive
actions were quote unquote signed by him and put in law,
or it was his autopen gang. And who's to say
his autopen gang wasn't responsible for a lot of the
things that we're talking about.

Speaker 14 (53:27):
Well, I think very likely. So, I mean, I think
that's the whole point of Biden is that they pretended
that this guy was reading national security briefings every day
and making big decisions. But every time you'd see him
up in front of an audience, he obviously couldn't put
together two sentences and he really didn't know what was

(53:50):
going on. And so you had a lot of examples
of that that he didn't even know what orders had
been signed. I mean, we've been hearing those sort of things.
But yeah, But then the point is, like Fanny Willis
the Rico case out of Georgia, I mean, the guy
she Nathan Wade, who she had just assigned to that case,

(54:14):
spent two full days in the White House before they
really came out with this whole Rico case.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Do you think he spent two full days with Joe o'biden.
He spent that time with somebody. I mean, Joe had
to get his nap in. Maybe he sold him for
five or ten minutes. But again you gotta ask the
question how much of this was Joe and how much
of this was his autopen crew.

Speaker 14 (54:39):
Well, it was his autopen crew, I mean. And whether
we're talking the Obamas, whether we're talking Sorrows, I mean,
the people who are behind the throne there doing all
this stuff. Was Yeah, I mean, the decision was made
we're going after Trump, and with Letitia James, with the

(55:01):
Alvin Bragg, Judge Jan mershawan Jack Smith have clear ties
back to the White House. So again I'm not saying
Biden himself conceived and orchestrated all this, but it was
done in his name, I mean. And early on there
was an article that I point to from the New

(55:23):
York Times where he was upset with Merrick Garland because
he wanted him to be more like a prosecutor and
go after Trump. And he made that clear. So and
again that was reported by the New York times, so
you can't doubt it. But all these cases were Again

(55:45):
you look at the classified documents case mar Lago, and
then compare that it was in a secure place. He
had been president, he had the rights to keep most of,
if not all, those documents, compared to Joe Biden, who
had been having classified documents in seven different locations, including

(56:06):
the garage in his Delaware home where he wasn't even
staying there but Hunter was. And you know, you have
so many of those kind of thing. But they said,
now he's a sympathetic old man who probably didn't know
what he was doing. And you know the Robert hurb
defense of Biden, why they didn't prosecute him for that,

(56:29):
And then the Letitia James case they wanted they tried
to find him half a billion dollars and this was
all over a case where they said that he gave
false evaluations to get favorable loan and insurance rates. And
you know, the people who they brought to testify, like

(56:51):
deutsche Bach said, no, you know, we don't take what
he says as being the absolute truth about the value
of the land. Our own checking and we're perfectly happy
and we got all our money and so no one
was defrauded, no one claimed to be defrauded. But they
came up with this case, and they confined jurys in

(57:14):
New York and in some cases just judges making these calls.
So yeah, on and on they went with these and
again the Rico case in Georgia was over this phone
call where he was with Raffensberger and basically he said,
find me eleven thousand votes, you know, But the full

(57:36):
context of it is there were hundreds of thousands of
votes that were suspect in Georgia that you know, just
saying that's all I needed, you know, to have. He
didn't say, go out and manufacture votes. I mean that's
what they did in Pennsylvania, for instance, to win Pennsylvania
in that twenty twenty election.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Right, I know you've got another appointment you've got to
get to. We could keep you another hour on this subject.
But Roger Aronoff, Executive director, Editor of the Citizens Commission
on National Security, Roger, we want to thank you so
much for joining us here. But before you go, please
tell our listeners and viewers how they could keep track

(58:19):
of you and read the things you write.

Speaker 14 (58:21):
Thank you. Go to cc Nationalsecurity dot org. That's CC
for Citizens Commission Ccnationalsecurity dot org. And among our members
are Alan West, who you mentioned earlier. We have Claire Lopez,
former CIA officer. We have generals and Tom McInerny and

(58:44):
Paul Valley, Pete Hookstra, a former chairman of the House
Intelligence Committee who's now taken leave to the ambassador to Canada.
So we have some great people, we have some great
guest columns.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
We're not we.

Speaker 14 (58:59):
Don't wish every day, but we try to keep go,
keep up with everything we think. We have great articles
and interviews up there, and we you know, we work
behind the scenes. We do a lot of things and
I actually have some projects that we could do if
we had more money, So I know we all feel

(59:20):
that way, so indeed we did. I encourage your viewers
to contact me through the website and I'd love to
be in touch with you all. And so again Ccnationalsecurity
dot Org.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Again, Roger, we want to thank you so much for
joining us.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Take care and God bless thank you both.

Speaker 14 (59:41):
You guys are great. We do great work and I
appreciate you so much.

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And Welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Command. In
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Absolutely.

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I always enjoy introducing our guests because we always have
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(01:04:27):
Great Britain and so forth, Human Events, The Stream, Real
Clear Policy, Conservative Review, the Daily Caller. He's also been
cited his work and things that he's had to say,
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and Fox News, and he was managing editor of front

(01:04:50):
Page Magazine and.

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The US bureau chief at Life Site News.

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And he is also the author of two books on
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think he wrote for Our Call with David Horowitz. Before
turning to journalism and editing, he spent more than a
decade doing radio broadcasting and all kinds of news and

(01:05:18):
talk and those sorts of things. So we're really glad
to have Reverend Ben Johnson with us. So, Reverend Johnson,
welcome back to the Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 13 (01:05:28):
Always a pleasure to be with you, George.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I wanted to ask you just about there's all this
discussion about trying to get things back in order and
get things fixed, and so Donald Trump is find an
executive order just this past week that directed his cabinet
to begin taking the necessary steps to facilitate closing down
the Department of Education. And for many of us, I'm

(01:05:50):
old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan talked about doing that,
but he wasn't able to get it done. Not that
he didn't want to, it's just that he didn't have
enough support in the House and the Senate to get
it done at the time. And so Donald Trump is
being obviously more aggressive and more focused on that because
the time has come where after, because back then the

(01:06:11):
Apartment of the Department of Education was new, and so
it hadn't yet wrecked American education because when it was passed,
we were considered the having the best educational system in
the world. And after forty five years of this insanity,
it's slipped and now we're down in the mid to
late twenties, and it's like, okay, so now I think

(01:06:35):
you definitely have the AMMO if you will factual AMMO.
It's not just an idea of saying I think it's
a bad idea. It's like, it's kind of obvious it's
a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
You know. It'd be kind of like if.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Someone said, I think we should feed children arsenic, and
you know, and we didn't know a lot about arsenic,
but someone told us I think it's poisonous and toxic,
and then he said, oh, what do you know, Well,
after forty five years of feeding children arsenic and then
they die, I think you have the evidence to say
stop feeding kids arsnake. And that's basically what the Department
of Education is so I wanted to ask you to

(01:07:06):
help us way through this.

Speaker 19 (01:07:08):
Well, that's a perfect analogy because the federal government for
far too long has been feeding children intellectual and spiritual
arsenic there's no question about that. With the educational guidelines, obviously,
we've had, as you said, a brand new department back
in nineteen eighty. So when Reagan talked about it, they said,
give it a chance. But the results are in. We've
seen the fact that NAP scores have not increased in

(01:07:30):
any way, shape or form. In fact, the nation's report card,
the NAPE scores as they're known, had to announce back
in June of twenty twenty three that reading scores for
fourth grade children were not materially different than in nineteen
seventy one.

Speaker 13 (01:07:46):
And that's after they've done down the test.

Speaker 19 (01:07:48):
So you've seen a massive shift in public perception, especially
once parents stayed home during COVID. They saw what teachers
were teaching, they saw what was being presented as education,
and so you had a content problem as well as
a competency problem, and the two were not unrelated. Instead
of focusing on reading, writing, and arithmetic, as the late
Phylish laugh we always talked about, and instead they asked

(01:08:09):
how do you feel about two plus two is four?
Where they talked about different ESL components, emotional and social learning, DEI,
critical theory. All of that smuggled into the curriculum, and
as a result you have test scores and haven't budged
or have fallen in real terms ever since the formation
of the Department of Education in nineteen eighty. Our friend

(01:08:32):
Ronald Reagan did his very best, as you say, and
sometimes conservatives give him a hard time. We know that
he didn't accomplish everything that he campaigned on. No president
ever does. But he set a standard. He said that
I do not want ineffective government funded by the US government.
This is an ineffective agency was a payoff to teachers unions.

(01:08:53):
The National Education Association endorsed Jimmy Carter in nineteen eighty.
Nobody endorsed Jimmy Carter in nineteen eighty. The Liberals didn't
let Jimmy Carter by night teen. They had had enough,
so they voted for Ted Kennedy in the primaries and
John Anderson in the general, but they endorsed Jimmy Carter,
and so Jimmy Carter unveiled this new department which went forward,
and it's spent a lot of money, it's reinforced the

(01:09:14):
teachers' unions, it has done absolutely nothing for our children.

Speaker 13 (01:09:17):
It's time to come to an end.

Speaker 19 (01:09:18):
And by the way, I think this is a big
mark against the never Trump people because they always said
he's not a real conservative, he doesn't want to deal
with entitlement reform and other issues which I think are important.
But here he is following through keeping a forty five
year old campaign promise that conservatives have sought after for
so long.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
It's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Years ago, I served on a public school board and
one of the things I noticed while I was on
that school board was that the federal government wasn't doing
much a fund education, and they produced somewhere in the
neighborhood of two to three percent of the funding for
the county schools that I was, you know, on the
school board for, and yet they produced about seventy five

(01:10:01):
to ninety percent of the kind of crazy rules and regulations.
So we had to hire tons of bureaucrats to comply
with all the different rules they were setting, but not
people in the classroom. So we were spending a lot
of money on education, but it wasn't in the classroom.
It was to have bureaucrats so that we could you know,

(01:10:21):
correspond with and you know, deal with the federal bureaucracy.
So it's just it was just like a transaction cost
that was ridiculous and stupid. And it was very interesting
because when I was younger, I think I would have well,
I agreed with with Ron Reagan, but I didn't have
the practicality of that part of it. It didn't really
occur to me that all it was going to be

(01:10:44):
was a bunch of crazy bureaucracy. And who's ever said
my favorite bureaucrat when I was in school was so
and so because they taught me so much about math
and science and history.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
The answer is, nobody's ever said that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Nobody has a fa favorite bureaucrat that they can say
helped teach them something that matt changed their life and
help get them well educated and prepared to learn more
and grow more intellectually. So I just wanted to ask you,
what's your take on this idea of is what I'm
saying about the Department Education.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
I think it makes sense or might being too harsh
on them.

Speaker 19 (01:11:20):
You couldn't be more spot on, George as usual, that's
not unusual for your commentary, But you are completely correct.
The main thing that the Department of Education is produced
is not outstanding students. It's not even really education, it's
bureaucratic compliance costs, and they've shoveled that off onto local
school districts. As you say, they don't really even fund
education that much. In your case was two to three

(01:11:42):
percent in some places its size fourteen or fifteen. I
think the average is about ten percent. Of federal funding
is ten percent of local schools is funded by the
federal government through the DEEA, through the DOE rather and
so as a result, they are essentially spending a lot
of their own money. In order to keep up with
the regulatory compliance that is necessary. They have to buy

(01:12:05):
new curricula, which means you have to hire new curriculum advisors.
You have to hire people in order to who can
navigate these very intricate navigational pathways for federal compliance and
federal regulation, and that means that you have to have
people who have education degrees or who have pedagogy degrees
but aren't teaching you hire.

Speaker 13 (01:12:26):
As you say, bureaucrats.

Speaker 19 (01:12:27):
And if you look at what Linda McMahon I think
really put her finger on. She talked about bureaucratic bloat.
That's what's going to be cut when they cut. President
Trump cut half of the Department of Education from about
forty one hundred to about twenty two hundred employees. That's
what got cut, and that's what every single federal school
district has replicated and must end up eventually rectifying, is

(01:12:51):
getting rid of all of the additional layers of administrators
and bureaucrats. My mother was a public school teacher, taught
special needs children special education, and there are a lot
of wonderful frontline teachers who are doing their very best
just to instill the basics in people who may not
be the most responsive. But the majority of the growth
since the formation of the Department of Education in nineteen

(01:13:12):
seventy nine has been administrative. It's completely useless. That should
be handed back to local schools and said they should
be told with a ninety percent of the money that
you are funding now, you are completely free to teach
children however you wish, in whatever way you wish. And
by the way, the former Education Secretary Bill Bennett had
a good point the other day. We don't just have

(01:13:33):
to hand it back to schools in the local or
state arena.

Speaker 13 (01:13:36):
We can hand this back to parents. You can hand
this money to parents and tell them.

Speaker 19 (01:13:39):
You educate the children any way you want, whether it's
through private school, online school, or homeschool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
That's a very very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
One of the things I think is kind of interesting
is people like to act as if Republicans hate the
Department of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Education because we hate education or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
And yet if you go back in history, back to
nineteen seventy nine, when Jimmy Carter was president, he had
people in his own cabinet who did not like the
idea of the Apartment of Education, because you did have
the point you had an apartment called health and health education,
human Services, and so forth. So it wasn't as if
the federal government didn't have some finger in the education process.

(01:14:18):
But what you didn't have is entire bureaucracy completely devoted
to it. And so some of these were pretty liberal people.
For example, the American Federation of Teachers was against it.
The New York Times, of all things, its editorial board
was against it. And then of course I remember Democratic
Senator Daniel Patrick moynihan, who was from New York and
who was a famous liberal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
He was against it. And so I'm trying to figure
out why.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Is it that the press likes to pretend that somehow
getting rid of the Department of Education means your anti
education and all this other stuff, because I'm thinking to myself,
so I guess that means that Daniel Patrick moynihan, a
liberal Democrat, was against education, and the American Federation of
Teachers people who actually there against education too, I don't

(01:15:03):
think so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I think you're lying to us. So fill us in
on that one.

Speaker 19 (01:15:07):
Yeah, the idea that Randy Weingarten's predecessors were against education,
I think is untenable, although you can certainly make the
case for herself perhaps over the last few years. But no,
you're absolutely right. Is typical that the Department of Education
had internal opposition. You couldn't get more liberal than Pat moynihan.
He was the leading Senate lion of liberalism along with
Ted Kennedy for a whole generation of people. But he

(01:15:29):
was pragmatic, unlike so many others. He looked at the
bottom line and said, this is not going to materially
improve things. It's only going to increase costs, and it's
going to give the federal government even more control. Why
is it that the media always say that Conservatives are
opposed to education because we're opposed to the Department of
Education for the same reason that everything else. They take

(01:15:51):
this line with every other conservative department or every other position.
First of all, because the media is really just a
mermidon at the Democratic Party. They simply repeat the talking
points of what's being presented. Second of all, because they
make that material mistake with some well meaning people do that.
Frederick bossy A pointed out a long time ago. He
said that people who believe that Conservatives or others are

(01:16:13):
opposed to public funding believe that you were opposed to
the underlying issue. So if I'm opposed to the federal
funding of childbirth, I'm against children. That's obviously not the case.
So when it comes to this issue, we've had this
material formal concern for a very long time.

Speaker 13 (01:16:31):
This error that is going on.

Speaker 19 (01:16:32):
Intellectually, people don't understand how new education funding is. Until
nineteen sixty five, when Lyndon Johnson signed the Elementary and
Secondary Education Act, there was essentially no federal funding of
local schools, very very little of colleges going back to
the Eisenhower administration, but before that.

Speaker 13 (01:16:52):
There was very little formal clear funding.

Speaker 19 (01:16:55):
There was always research going on, but there was very
little line item funding of of education until nineteen sixty five.
And like so many ideas, it came out of great
society we've seen, they've crashed and burned. People don't respond
to statist answers. They respond to local teachers who care
for them. No one cares about the bureaucrats. The bureaucrats
don't really care about the kids. It's a job protection racket.

(01:17:16):
Teachers care about kids. Get on with their teachers. That's
where we need to invest our education dollars.

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to our video feeds. Reverend Ben Jonson is our guests.
He's a senior reporter and editor at the Washington Stand.
We're discussing an article that Reverend Johnson wrote, unconstitutional, ineffective, incompetent, unnecessary.
Trump moves to abolish the Department of Education. Reverend Johnson,

(01:22:09):
thank you for holding through that break. We appreciate your
time and a little bit of inside baseball. This show
is actually videotage on Monday afternoon, and President Trump had
Linda McMahon in the White House today. They discussed ridding
the country of the Department of Education. But Reverend Johnson,

(01:22:32):
there's a couple of groups out there that aren't too happy,
the NEA and the NAACP. They are actually taking President
Trump in his administration the court to stop this. And
it it's me, Reverend Johnson. I'm wanted to get your
opinion of this, and it just shows how out of
touch the Democrats are right now. I mean, this is

(01:22:54):
no secret. President Trump ran on this. This was one
of the major play in his platform. Every battleground state
voted for this man. He won the electoral vote. He
had a gains to the House in the Senate. It
should be a message to organizations like the NEA Teachers Association, ZNAAZP,

(01:23:19):
anyone else that didn't like it. This is what the
people voted for. Your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (01:23:26):
I think this is one of the things that says
President of Trump apart from so many other presidents, which
is that he's following through. He said, I will govern
by a simple motto, Promises made, promises kept.

Speaker 13 (01:23:35):
Here's another one that's been kept.

Speaker 19 (01:23:37):
And that's not how Republican presidents, frankly, have governed for
at least the last twenty five years at a minimum.
So this when Bob Dole said he wanted to abolish
the Department of Education, I don't know that people believed him.
And then, of course you had McCain and Romney didn't
even give us the rhetoric, let alone the action if
they'd gotten into office. So conservative Republicans have sought after
this for decades. As you say that, the real of

(01:23:59):
him promising to abolish the Department of Education went viral.
Every single swing state supported him. There was no question
what he was going to do when he got into office.
The fact that the NAACP and the NEA are bringing
this lawsuit. It's just another front in the never ending
lawfare against this administration.

Speaker 13 (01:24:15):
There have been.

Speaker 19 (01:24:16):
Already dozens of national injunctions which are controversial in themselves.
Those are also a relatively recent phenomenon, which I wrote
about with the Washington Stand in a different article, but
they are fairly recent, and they're trying to stop everything
that President Trump does.

Speaker 13 (01:24:31):
Ultimately, since the DOE.

Speaker 19 (01:24:34):
Was founded by a congressional statute, it has to be
repealed through congressional legislation.

Speaker 13 (01:24:38):
There's an excellent bill.

Speaker 19 (01:24:39):
I think it's Senate Bill eight ninety nine if I'm
not wrong, or HR eight ninety nine, and maybe eight
ninety nine I believe it is.

Speaker 13 (01:24:46):
Thomas Massey is introduced so one line bill that.

Speaker 19 (01:24:48):
Simply says the Department of Education shall terminate on December
thirty first, twenty twenty six period. That would end the
federal involvement in education, turn it back to states, let
them say they're own curriculum, their own guidelines. Make suhere
that competence finally replaces thorough regulation in the curriculum. So
I hope that Congress will take this up. I think

(01:25:10):
particularly it's very important that you do so within the
next two years, while we're sure that we have a
congressional majority.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Reverend Johnson, how many children has the Department of Education educated?
And how much money, how much money passes through its hands,
and how much of that money is absorbed in just
administration costs? And you know, I learned a lot. I
learned a lot from guests like you. I learned a
lot from my co hosts like George Landrath. When George said,

(01:25:40):
when he was a member of a school board because
of what the Department of Education told them they may
must do, all the additional costs that the school board
had to had to pay out to make make the
Department of Education happy. What I'm getting at is this

(01:26:05):
was the Department of Education was nothing but more than
a money transfer, and a lot of that money got absorbed.

Speaker 19 (01:26:13):
It's domestic usaid is essentially what we're looking at. It's
always been a money transfer from the federal government to teachers, unions,
never ending certification requirements that have increased over the years,
which take away from very talented people could be teachers
but don't have the right check mark next to them.
But you're asking how many people, how much money three
trillion dollars since nineteen eighty three trillion dollars. That's one

(01:26:37):
twelve of our federal deficit. Our national debt is simply
wrapped up in the DOE. Want out of every eight
dollars because of national education. And again we've talked about
the results. The results have been static, even after the
test has the qualifications. Frankly, the curricula have gone down,
the testing standards have gone down. Even when you factor

(01:27:00):
all that in, the scores are absolutely unchanged for most
of our entire lifetime. So you're going back to nineteen
seventy one, there's a significant cohort of Americans who aren't
alive at that point. They have never seen an improvement
education under the DOE. How much is absorbed by administration
the estimates that I've seen, again, remember, only about one
out of every eleven or twelve dollars comes from the

(01:27:25):
federal government. We're talking let's say, let's round it up
and say ten percent of all these dollars are coming
from the federal government. According to the figures and the
estimates that I've seen, approximately sixty percent of that goes
to administrative costs. So for every federal dollar you're getting
about four dimes out of every federal dollar that's spent
actually getting through to frontline teachers and real educational concepts.

(01:27:48):
The rest is absorbed by administration. It's a complete and
total waste. It's bureaucratic bloat, and unfortunately, US taxpayers are
paying the front end of it. Financially, American children are
paying the back end of it through an inferior education.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Reverend Johnson, help me out here. I am led to
believe that when the Department of Education was created in
the Carter administration, American school children led the world. That
were number one. Now they're like number forty.

Speaker 19 (01:28:18):
No, you're absolutely right, they are very much a more
middling result. We have tests that measure what the standing
of the average American versus other countries around the world.
We've had basically the same basket. People have continually joined
that test, so it's not completely the same, but it's
largely the same group of countries. Over the last several

(01:28:39):
decades in America, you can just see this precipitous fall,
this very steady, slow slide that has been going on
for decades, the entire time that the Department of Education
supposedly is curing this problem with federal interventions. So the
more that the federal government has involved, the less power
the parent has. The less say that parents have, the

(01:29:00):
less say that the local schools and local teachers have.
Everyone should be against this, except usually I always have
this saying when things don't make sense, they make sense.
You just don't understand the reason. There's no underlying financial
incentive for them, never to cut these programs.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Reverend Johnson, in your article Trump moves through abolished the
Department of Education, you lead it. You lead that title
with for a very interesting words, unconstitutional, ineffective, incompetent, unnecessary.
Let's talk about that first word, unconstitutional.

Speaker 19 (01:29:32):
There is absolutely no constitutional authorization for the federal government
to be involved in education of any sort. Article one,
section eight has all of the delegated powers that the
states gave to the federal government, and they reserved all
others under the ninth and tenth Amendments. Under those amendments,
the powers that are reserved to the states are many.

(01:29:53):
Those that are delegated to the federal government are fuel
according to the founding fathers, and so there shouldn't have
been any concern about the federal government over stepping its bounds.
The problem is that the states have refused to enforce
their own boundaries. Obviously, the federal government has failed to
police itself. There is Education is not mentioned anywhere in
that list. Of course, so much of what the federal
government does is not mentioned in that list. It's been

(01:30:15):
a slow absorption of state power of state prerogatives for decades,
going back at least to the New Deal and progressing
certainly metastasizing with the Great Society. So that's where education
ended up getting swept up into the federal government. And
at one time we had a Supreme Court that was
willing to stand up, a judiciary that was willing to
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is the US Constitution. Unfortunately, after the nineteen thirty six election,
FDR threatened to pack the court, and you had one
justice who changed his position. By the way, his name
was Justice Roberts, so I think is very very fitting
considering the current state of jurisprudence, appointed as a constitutional conservative,
ended up changing his views and signing off on all
the New Deal legislation. The history books called the switch

(01:30:59):
and entire that saves nine. But ultimately instead of packing
the court. He simply went along and signed off on everything,
and from that day forward, it was open season on
the US Constitution. Anything that you could pass. It didn't
necessarily have to be justified by the US Constitution. The
Department of Education certainly wasn't and we've dealt with those
results ever since. Again, we paid a cost, but the

(01:31:22):
greatest cost is what's born by US students who didn't
get the kind of education that people did in nineteen
thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Reverend Johnson, Reverend Ben Johnson, we appreciate you, but before
you leave, tell us a little bit about The Washington Stand,
which you are a senior reporter and editor of.

Speaker 19 (01:31:40):
Sure, The Washington Stand is a publication of the Family
Research Council. You can find us at Washingtonstand dot com.
Of course, many people are familiar with Tony Perkins. His
program runs on these television stations and radio stations, so
we're always good to always thrill that we have that partnership,
and so you can read much of what happens and

(01:32:01):
takes place. We have either news or commentary about it
every day Washington Stand dot com. Also, you can follow
me on Twitter x as it's called now. I still
can't get used to it. X dot Com at the
Rights Writer, the R I G H T S Writer
w R I T E R and follow me there.
So always always great to be on and of course

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when I'm really lucky you can see me on The
Conservative Commandos with George and Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Yeah, Reverend Johnson, I'm getting used to X now and
I'm accepting him more than I thought I would. Reverend
Johnson again, thank you so much for joining us. Take
care and God.

Speaker 13 (01:32:37):
Bless, Thank you, God bless.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Actually, well, I was I was just thinking we were
talking about kind of how the Democratic parties become so leftist,
and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
That's a very good point.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I just want to bring up some of the facts
that so that people don't think we're just calling names.
Because the American Republic was founded on during principles things
like natural rights, limited government, individual liberty, the rule of law,
of course our constitution, and for over two centuries, these
ideals have guided our nation through war, depression, civil unrest,
and very dramatic changes and helped us become both a

(01:36:48):
very prosperous nation, a very happy nation, and a very
strong nation. But today these same principles are under unprecedented attack,
not from foreign adversaries, but from within. The modern Democratic
Party once had a broad tent of classical liberals. And
what I mean there is they believed in the Constitution.

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You know, JFK didn't think that free speech was awful,
and it didn't used to be that things like freedom
of religion or any of the other amendments, the first
ten Amendments.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Were bad ideas. They believed in those.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
But the party has been hijacked by basically radicals who
are pushing a deeply Marxist agenda that poses a real
threat to American freedom, prosperity, and constitutional governance because Marxism
is incompatible with our constitution. An example would be here's
several proofs of this one. Authoritarian regimes try to control

(01:37:46):
speech and suppress the scent. Yes, what the Democrats have
done the exact same thing. Likewise in one of the
earliest acts of the Nazi regime was strict gun control,
particularly aimed at disarming political opponents and targeted groups, and
the disarmed population was much easier to control because they

(01:38:09):
were less able to resist tyranny.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
And guess what.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
The modern Democratic Party is obsessed with gun control. They
don't care about violent criminals, they'll let them out, but
they want to control guns even so that law abiding
citizens can't have them.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
So that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
And then state sanctioned violence and political intimidation. He had
the brown Shirts, for example, would intimidate their political enemies
and so forth, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Said this was necessary for liberation.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
But today the mob on the left of the same thing,
the Antifa, They destroyed billions of dollars to the property
in major cities. They got outside the homes of Supreme
Court justices and threatened them. And you get Democratic leaders
who tell their supporters, make sure if you see any

(01:38:57):
Trump supporters, go after them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Make sure they get yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
And then, of course abortion and the devaluation of life.
Nazi Germany promoted abortion among undesirable groups because it helped
its eugenic goals.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
And guess what.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
And of course, Marxist states like China have also enforced
brutal abortion policies to control populations and the direction of society.
And guess what today's Democratic Party does.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
The same, and so you just.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Go on and on and on, and it's just there's
I mean, I know it's a two minute thing. I
probably should shut up now. But bottom line is there
are other things too. But I just wanted to make
it clear to people that we're not just calling names
when we say the Democratic Party has become extreme leftist
and very much Marxist.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
The evidence is there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Well, George, when I say two minute THINGY just mean
it's that time, not that's how much time you've got anyway, Hey, George.
We also had a couple of great guests today.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
Oh we did.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
We always do, so that's hardly news, right, that's kind
of like the sun Rose in the East. But we
had Roger Arnoff, executive director and editor and Citizens Commission
on National Security, and just very interesting to discuss with him,
just kind of what we were just talking about, but

(01:40:22):
from a different perspective, of course, because he's a different voice.
I mean, I'm not saying he disagrees. I'm just saying
had different data points and things like that to point
out extreme what has happened in our society because it
used to be I remember when I was in Italy
one time I spent about two years there, the average
Italian believed that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party

(01:40:44):
were almost identical.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
And they weren't. But they had a lot they agreed on.

Speaker 3 (01:40:49):
They agreed in the Constitution, they agreed on free speech,
they agreed on freedom of religion. They believed that men
were men and women were women, stuff like that. But
today who could believe the same, Like, you know, it's crazy.
But anyhow, Also, we had Reverend Ben Johnson, a senior
reporter and editor at The Washington stand And of course
he has lots of experience in the media throughout his career,

(01:41:13):
but it was very interesting just to talk to him
about the education in America because education has been sliding
so dramatically since nineteen eighty or seventy nine when Jimmy
Carter created the Education Department, and what it basically did
is got government, federal government kind of embedded into education,

(01:41:34):
and it's been very counterproductive.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
It hasn't helped, it's made things worse.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
So always great conversations, always great guests, And anytime we
talk with our guests, I can tell they're excited to
be on the Conservative Commanders and the aun TV network
because you've done a very very good job of building
something that is important in matters. So I hope our
viewers and listeners will help support it because it needs
to continue.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Well, talk about great guests and great things. I got
a couple of great co hosts I love working with
and that Sharon Angle and yourself and George. Tell us
about your book.

Speaker 3 (01:42:11):
Oh sure, Well, I've got this book right here. That's
my most recent book let Freedom Ring Again. And of
course it asks the question you can see right here.
The subtitle is can self evident truth save America from
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Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
You can find it at Amazon or Barnes and no
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Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
All right, and George again, I want to thank you
for sitting in as a co host, But for right now,
we are out of time. Means if we get a
run and we got to go, take care godless, we'll
see you tomorrow. That'll be on TV and on radio.

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