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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, Welcome fellow plorables, Welcome
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That means friends, allies and patriots and of hours and
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Commander's Radio show, and I'm Rick Trader coming to you

(00:42):
from the Michael Studios, the Mysture Studios of the AU
and TV Networking. Joining me today as she does a
couple of times a week, is the Patriot from the
battle born State, the battleground State, the Silver State of Nevada,
and that is Sharon Angle. Sharon, welcome back, Welcome back
to Conservative Commanders.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Thanks Rick. It's great to be here again, especially on
a day are the winged, I guess because we know
this would drag on when government's gonna shut.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Down that well, that's what happens when they never pass
a budget. We haven't had a budget, and I don't
know when the last time we had a I think
in the Clinton administration was the last time that we've
actually had a budget. And of course the Democrats have
their agenda. The Republicans have their agenda, and it seems

(01:39):
like the sticking point with this latest budget is the
Democrats want money restored to the budget that was cut
during the Big Beautiful Bill, and they want this money
restored for Medicare, Medicaid, for for illegal aliens, and for

(02:00):
able body people who can work. All right, so they went,
they went freebies for the illegals, and they went freebies
for people that find it beneficial to sit around in
their parents' basement until they are probably qualify for Medicaid,

(02:23):
Medicare and Social Security.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Let's be cleric. They want it for their voters. And
what this is about. You give the government perk to
people and they'll vote for you. I think we don't
always understand exactly what this shut down entails. It sounds like, oh,

(02:47):
my gosh, we aren't going to get our Social Security check,
or the military is going to be laid out off
and we'll be defenseless. It's not that it is furloughs
and potential layoffs for non essential employees. That opens up
a really wide range of what is going on? Why

(03:13):
do we have non essential employees in the government. Shouldn't
we be lean wouldn't we all they we have all
essential employees. If we're going to be this far in debt,
why are we paying people to do non essential jobs?

(03:33):
So they may look out, who are those guys? Who
are those non essential employees? Because honestly, they're not going
to lay off someone who's essential to our homeland security,
to our national security, to responding first responders, people that

(03:57):
we need to run the government. They're not going to
do that. But it's interesting. Department of Health in Human
Services said that it published about fourteen thousand of the
agencies roughly two hundred and seventy one thousand employees that

(04:18):
would be furloughed in the event of a shutdown, So
fourteen thousand out of two hundred and seventy one thousand
are going to be furloughed. I don't think they're even
cutting into those non essential because you think about Department
Home of dhf's Department of Homeland Security. If they can

(04:40):
lay off fourteen thousand not as non essential, then what
about other agencies like the Department of Education? How many
of those are essential? And you know in our first
segment you mentioned Rick that the Democrats are really fighting

(05:03):
for the ones that Doge said, this is not only
non essential, but they are actually people that are not
shouldn't be working at all, or it's a waste, it's waste.
But broaden abuse, you said, is one of them. Usaid,

(05:27):
they want that back. Actually, we didn't shut it down.
We just said we're not going to hire anybody else,
we're not going to fund anymore. It wasn't that they
weren't going to get anybody. It's just not anymore. So
what they're calling a shut down for. Or they're putting

(05:52):
their backs up and saying we're not going to fund
the government for. I think they're cutting their noses off
despite their face because President Trump has said, you know,
I think we're talking about apples and oranges here. We're
not talking about essential employees. We're talking about non essential.

(06:13):
We're talking about government waste, broaden abuse. And you know
you want you want to go down that road, Well,
letar do that.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know I've told you all along, how you you
limit the size of government. You move all these departments
and agencies to nonm Alaska. And I'm serious about this,
I'm serious. You move all these department eight agencies to
know Alaska, and you tell these people they have to
show up to the office to work. Well, I'm telling

(06:46):
you that is really going to reduce the size of government.
We don't need this bloody government. We really we need
a defense that's what we need. We need homeland security,
that's what we need. We need the country to be safe,
that's what we need. And the other thing. And you know, Sharon,
we've talked about this at other times when there's been shutdowns.

(07:10):
Number One, it seems like the party that's creating the
shutdowns in the past has been Republicans. The party that
is creating the shutdown takes the hit. And I really
do hope that the Democrats take the hit on this shutdown.

(07:30):
Whatever you think. The American people don't like the idea
that their government is being shut down, and it's really not,
it's really not. Even the people who are furloughod get
their check, get their money. They don't lose anything. And
usually these shutdowns last a few days, a week or
two or whatever. It's like a paid vacation for these people.

(07:53):
All right, But my gosh, the idea that we haven't
had a budget so long is readridiculous. The fact that
when we don't have a budget and money is being
thrown around with Nelly the way it is, this is irresponsible,
absolutely irresponsible.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Well, and like I said, they lamestream Legacy News is
reporting on the Department of Homeland Security. Why are they
reporting on the fourteen thousand that will be laid off there?
Because they know that we are interested in homeland security.

(08:37):
We want our borders to be secure. We've been fighting
for years for that. So they hit our hot button.
But like I said, what about the Department of Education?
Who over there is essential? They could lay the whole bunch.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Shot really and you know what, you shut them down.
It doesn't mean the schools are going to shut down.
The schools are controlled by the state and the local
school boards, all right. You know, as far as the
Department of Education, no one can really explain what it does.
You know, it says policy and policies usually are and

(09:17):
should be determined by the state, county, and the municipality
the federal government. Sh you keep it sticking those out
of it. The Department of Education, I think, came in
nineteen seventy four, and prior to that, students in America

(09:41):
ranked highest in the world. Now we're like twenty fourth
or something like that. Since the Department of Education has
been created, so has it done any good? No, It's
made education bad. And now seems like the Department of Education,

(10:02):
at least during the Obama in Obiden years, was more
concerned about THEI than educating kids. You know, Sharon, there's
a I wanted up. I'm going off a little bit
of a side trip here, a little bit of a
side trip, but you know, we're talking about an education

(10:23):
Department of Education. In the nineteen seventies, there was a
New Jersey state trooper who was killed and one of
the people that was involved was a black panther. Her
name was Joe N. Chismartin Now. She was arrested, convicted,
when to jail, escape prison, ended up in Cuba, living

(10:48):
in Cuba since that time. All over this past weekend,
this woman died, okay, and the Chicago Teachers Associate put
out a press release praising her. What a pioneer she was,

(11:08):
what a and this was a woman who is convicted
of killing a New Jersey state police officer. All right,
So when you talk about education, when you talk about governments,
I think he also got to talk about these teachers

(11:29):
unions and these teachers unions are irresponsible. And just as
point is the fact that they put out a press
release celebrating Joe and chisselmart who killed the state police
was police officer, was convicted of that escape prison escape

(11:53):
to Cuba and has been living there since the nineteen seventies.
And this is what education. Well, we don't need education
like that, Sharon. I got a little crisis going on.
Would you like to know what the crisis is?

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I almost can guess it's Bobby.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's Bobby again. Bobby when I come in to do
the show, loves to come up here and lay with
his kiddy daddy, that's me. And what he does is
he likes to get near the computer and he pushes
the button that shuts off the computer that controls the
AUN television network. So if you see me doing something,

(12:34):
I'm listening, paying attention, Sharon, but I'm also at the
same try and time trying to get a you went
back online. So blame it on Bobby.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Blame it on Bobby, Well that sounds like a Democrat.
Blame it on anybody but the ones who are doing it.
And that's really what they're doing with this government shut down.
They're blaming it on Trump, They're blaming it on big Beauty,
full Builder, blaming it on everything but their agenda and
exorbitance spending, spending habits. This is this is how they

(13:09):
fix everything. If you have a problem, just throw more
money at it. But don't throw your own money at it.
Throw the people's money at it, throw more tax dollars
at it. And that's really what they're doing here. They're complaining,
they're protesting, they're they're having a little fit over not
being able to spend your money and my money on

(13:33):
things that will further their agenda, not things that really
necessarily should be cut. We we've found out the hard
way that the Department of Education is a failed experiment. Experiment,
a failed experience. We need to get rid of them.

(13:54):
And there are other places where cuts need to be made.
Those has recommended those, the President's been following through with those,
and I think that this is a good time shut
down crisis as they call it, is a good time
to be looking at all those places that we can cut.
You want to spend money where it really makes a difference,

(14:20):
then we need to cut money. We don't need to
just pass a bill that says spend all you want.
The government doesn't really run out of money, does it
rick that they're talking about that the government's going to
run out of money. It doesn't run out of money
because you and I pay our taxes.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
They need money. Is there out of money? What they
do is they run out of the authority to spend
that money. But that's the other thing that the government
shuts out. Sharan, guess what, you as a taxpayer have
to continue to pay your taxes.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's right, right, that's right. And when they come back online,
will continue to pay for it too.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh, of course we'll pay for it. As I said,
all these government employees that are furloughed doing this, they're
going to get their full check. They're going to get
their full checks, so they're not losing they're getting time
off with pay. And you know they they they they

(15:26):
the government employees, they know who they are, the ones
that are going to be furloughed. They're probably looking forward
for this. They probably planned their trips to Cancun during
this time, you know, while the government is shut down
or whatever, they're not something. So in other words, we
get no work done, right, but we pay for it.

(15:50):
We ended up paying for it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Anyway, Sharon, we do have another crisis here and that
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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos with
shar An Angle and I'm Rick Trader, commit to you
from the Mighty List Studios, my store studios of the
aun TV networks. The Democrats, it's the Democrats responsibility that
they shut down the government, which I find very ironic

(17:13):
because let's go back to twenty eighteen. Sharon, let's go
back to twenty eighteen, when the Republicans wanted the Democrats
to compromise, When the Republicans wanted the Democrats to cut
the budget, Oh, no, we can't, we can't do that.

(17:33):
And when the Republicans wanted to shut down the Democrats as, oh,
we can't shut down. People are going to starve. People
aren't going to get paid. The military is not going
to get paid. These workers depend upon their paychecks. They
cared a lot then, Sharon, they don't give it. Damn now,

(17:54):
they don't give it, damn now because it's the Democrats
that are shutting down, the Democrat demands which are shutting
down the government.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
This time, they're all about politics. It's really an interesting thought,
isn't it rick that politics come up of the government functioning. Really,
they are willing to put what they think, what they're

(18:24):
scaring is with, or what the media is scaring is with.
They're willing to say, we're putting the country at risk
for politics, purely to make a statement about Trump that
they're only their only weapon, their only issue for this

(18:45):
upcoming midterm election.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Is hate Trump.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
That's all it is. Then they're going to use everything
that they can to forward that agenda, that public political
agenda to the voters, saying Trump is crazy. You gotta
hate Trump because he's shutting down the government. You won't
get your welfare check, you won't get your SELU security check,

(19:13):
the military won't which is a lie. No longer be.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Protected, which is a lie.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
It's all a lie, as you say. But people, and
that's what you told.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
The story about. You told us a story about how
a friend of yours who was a poll watcher observe
people coming into the polls with a slip of paper,
and they refused to show show the poll watcher's a
slip of paper until one of the lady says, I

(19:49):
got to vote for Harry Reid or I'm going to
lose my welfare, which was a lie. But these are
the lies the Democrats tell everyone to stay in power,
you know. And you know, there was one truth when
we talked about this. There wasn't one truth that the
governor of Massachusetts said that, well, if the Republicans don't

(20:13):
restore the funding they cut in the big beautiful bill,
seven hundred or three hundred and seventy seven thousand, people
were going to lose their their health benefits. Well, that
was true, but who are these people that were going
to lose their health benefits? Illegals? Illegals, Sharon, that sue.
The Democrats want this money put back into the budget

(20:35):
for to give health care to people who are here illegally.
In many cases, these people are already getting free housing,
free food, They're on welfare, They're being supported by the
American people, the American working people, the American tax being people.
All this money going to people that should not be heres,

(20:58):
that broke our laws to enter this country. And this
is the group, this is the group that the Democrats
have shut down the government over this time.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay, so let's let's kind of set this stage a bit.
The OMB, the.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Office of.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Management and Budget, Management and budget. Yeah, I knew it
was management, but I couldn't think of what went between
budget and management. Uh, circulated amend to their federal and
their federal agencies, and that directed mass firings of federal
employees beyond the typical shutdown furloughs. So I don't get that,

(21:46):
but whatever Schumer's using it, he says, So this is
this is the way for Trump to intimidate federal employees
Donald and he says Donald Trump has been firing federal
workers since day one, not to government, but to scare.
This is nothing new and has nothing to do with

(22:07):
the funding of the government. This unnecessary firing will either
be overturned in the court or the administration will end
up hiring the workers back, just like they did as
recently as today. So it's all this this manipulation, this
political manipulation.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, if the creating of their jobs back, what's you
and Recodi isn't He's in a bunch for you know,
the federal government employees between two and three million people.
Do you think the government would run with less employees?
Do you think do you think if you cut twenty
percent of the government employees, this country is going to fail.

(22:50):
You know a lot of these departments, a lot of
these departments in government, and you know this, Sharon, are
duplicates of other departments in government. Okay, there's so much duplication.
We don't need all this duplication. I say, you know
what I think that Donald Trump should do is, as
you know me, send all the departments to nom Alaska.

(23:13):
But besides that, he should say to the department heads,
you've got a widdle. You're going to get less money.
You've got to widle your employees. You got to You've
got If you are involved in a program that's a
duplicate of another program in government, your program's going to

(23:34):
go by. We don't need two programs doing the same thing,
do we.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
I can't see it. I can't see it. It's an
interesting thing. As Senator Tim Kaine, he's in Virginia, democatic. Yeah,
but he said this was a political question. He's so correct,
he's so correct. That's not the way he says. Uh,
it's not the way I think about it. I represent
a Virginia that's been ravaged by Donald Trump heart and

(24:05):
what he's done to the federal workforce and federal contractors.
Donald Trump is doing stuff that hurts the country, he continued.
Donald Trump told Republicans not even to talk or to
negotiate with Democrats on this. In March, when it appeared
that Schumer would lead Democrats in lockstep to close the government,

(24:26):
he backed down and argued that it was Hobson's choice. Ultimately,
he and nine other Democrats advanced the bill. So here's
this Democrat telling us it's political. It's all about his
vote is all about the government employees. He wants to

(24:47):
save their jobs. And they hated Elon Musk of course
because he was the one that went in with the
Department of Government and Efficiency and found that the federal
workforce needed to be cut just like Trump did. He

(25:08):
cut them down. And now they're using this to bring
back all the cuts, to bring back the the things
that Donald Trump asked Elon must to find and they're
trying to erase the effectiveness of Elon Musk and those
That's what they're doing. And it's as as Representative Kane said,

(25:31):
it's a political move. It's not about people in the
United States and whether they're going to be better off
or not. But it's not about our homeland security. It's
not about anything that we rely upon the government to do.
It's about politics and hate Trump. And they're they're gearing

(25:54):
up for this next go round with like, yeah, we'll see,
we'll see if a shar are gonna buy this or not.
It's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, Sharon, let's talk about negotiate a negotiation. You know,
this is with the problem. The problem when Republicans think
of negotiation, they think about you state your case. I'll
state my case will work and will compromise on something.
Democrats believe negotiation means this, give us our way. That's

(26:33):
what negotiation means. The Democrats give us our way. And
as far as Tim Kaine goes worried about all these
government cuts, you know what he's really worried about, as
you say, but it's also that these government workers in Virginia,
especially northern Virginia, we're put there by Barack Obama and

(26:59):
Joe Biden. They're worried. Tim Kinge's worried about Virginia going red.
You get ready, these government workers, a lot of them
will move out of Virginia. They'll move, They'll go somewhere
else where they can get a job, like maybe California
or New Jersey or Connecticut. That means you're gonna have

(27:21):
less blue voters in Virginia and more red voters in Virginia.
And you're right, it's all about hating Donald Trump. I
really do think that Donald Trump should come out today
and say this. Everybody take deep breaths because the breathe

(27:42):
oxygen is very very good. Breathing oxygen restores of the body,
restores the mind, It makes you feel better. Everybody should
take deep breasts each and every day. You know what
the Democrats at say tomorrow, Donald Trump is a fool.
Stop breathing, That's what they say. But you know this

(28:03):
is I'm serious about this, Sharon's no matter what Donald
Trump says or does, you can count on the Democrats
saying Orange Man, bad, Orange man, stupid, Orange Man is
trying to kill people. You know that, Sharon, you know it,
you know it. So Donald Trump should use it to

(28:25):
his advantage. Say everybody breathes, everybody, everybody drink water, everybody,
everybody eat. Maybe we'll get rid of a few Democrats
that way. I don't know if they stop breathing, stop
drinking water, and stop eating. But that's what it's all about.
Anything that Donald Trump says, anything that Donald Trump wants,

(28:47):
anything that Donald Trump does, Democrats are going to say,
done to it.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
It's a political thing, that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
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tv dot com. So, Sharon, we are in a government shutdown.
You know, all these all these federal workers, they're out

(33:07):
of work. I mean, my gosh. You really feel sorry
for anybody that's getting a paid vacation, Sharon, because that's
what it is. They're all going to get their money.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And remember we talked about three million government workers, but
only seven hundred and fifty thousand of them are expected
to be furloughed.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
They're not essential. The ones and.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Thousand isn't even quite.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
That's quarter, Sharon, that's a quarter of our federal government workforce.
If they're not essential, great way to save money is saved.
Bye to these people, say goodbye to these people. Great
way to save money.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, and I think that that is what is really
driving this is that they will be fad and some
of them, I will potentially just lose their job. They
will be riffed. I don't think that they will actually
be fired. That's not how the government works. They just
won't be filled in. Their jobs will not be filled

(34:16):
in behind them. And some people, you know, when they
they've been thinking about it all already. They're thinking about
I'm getting close to retirement. I don't I don't need this,
I'm done with it. They'll retire some of them, like
you said, if they get moved out, Well, your job
just moved to Denver. Yes, they'll say, well, I'm going

(34:42):
to take my early out. I'm going to go I
don't want to go there, So you know, I it's
a kind of a pause, if you will, for federal
workers when this kind of thing happens, they say, nah,
I just don't want to do this anymore. Maybe they've
got a better job offer someplace and they've just been

(35:05):
waiting for a good reason to step back and move on.
And when they do that, it's a riff a reduction
in force, and they just don't fill in behind them.
So it's not like they are going to fire anyone.

(35:28):
The money for Social Security benefits is not part of
the federal government's budget. Social Security will still be coming
in during any shutdown, so it's not your social Security check.
Mail carriers will still deliver the mail. They're not affected

(35:51):
by a government shutdown, so the US Postal Service will
continue to operate. Medicare benefit fits will continue during a shutdown.
There might be some payment delays, but I mean, anybody
on Medicare knows that first payment delays. Whether there's down

(36:13):
or not. It's one of the more inefficient parts of
government as far as getting payment. And that's why doctors
are saying we don't take any more Medicare patients. So
you know it's not going to affect that. How about

(36:33):
the National Parks and how about the First Lady's Library
and Museum? Oh my goodness, yes, we're not probably going
to be able to go to the Canton National First

(36:58):
Lady's Library and Museum, which partners with the Park Service,
because it's facing a potential closing. I I don't know
about the check but I didn't I didn't ever think
that that was essential. So if it closes, it will

(37:18):
probably reopen. I don't think they're going to abandon it.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
That sounds like a money drain to me. That sounds
like an absolute money drained to me. I mean, how
many people go to the First Ladies National Museum and Library?
What a wow? That's that's sucking sound. That's sucking sound.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
That's dream Well in some of these National parks have
so many entrances that it be impossible to close all
of them to visitors, so visitors are going to keep coming.
The biggest impact is going to be on closed rest rooms.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
That's well just good with Starbucks.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Or that you don't get get gas at your favorite
seven eleven before you get into the National Park because
their breastrooms made closed but not purity How about environmental
and food inspections? In space inspections would be halted. The

(38:27):
FDA reinstated some food inspections, but you know, we have
I'm going to say bug stations. That's what we called
them when I was a little girl. Going into California
are the bug stations, and they are set up there
the inspectors look to see anybody in coming into California

(38:52):
if they're bringing fresh fruit or vegetables that might infect
the fruits and vegetables in California. You know, the last
few times that I've been through the bug station, and
this has been over the course of years, there's nobody there.
We just roll through, So I don't know that the

(39:13):
government shutdown is affecting them working. You know, once in
a while they're there, sometimes they're not, so who knows
when they're going to be there to inspect. And it
doesn't really have much to do with whether or not
we have a shutdown or not. The veterans will continue

(39:34):
to receive their benefits and their medical care without disruption.
The ir RES would not be able to perform this
service of verifying income and Social Security cut. You know
when you talk about the IRS, is that bad thing? Yeah,

(39:56):
I'd be shut I'm for a little while.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Taxpayers, can you know without there that.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
There shouldn't ever have been an i r S in
the first place, that this is a situation that was
put in that should have been repealed along with prohibition.
But you know that we might see a shutdown or
a slowdown in the I R S. The SNAP program,

(40:26):
which is the food stamps. There they send out the
food stamps. Uh, it's their They're funding is mandatory, but
their ability to send out those food stamp benefits might
be affected.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Might well, you know America, America has no obesity problem.
I think that might be a good good thing.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, and you know they're saying that that uh, that
were that we're gonna have to see something happen. In
the military, Well, all active duty military personnel will stay
on the job, but half of the Pentagon civilian employees
may face a furlough. So they have civilian employees, they

(41:17):
have active military, the civilian employees may.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Go on furlough.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
That tells you that there's somebody gonna always be at
the Pentagon, always gonna have military. How about the National
Health Institute of Health NIH. Do we like those guys?
I mean, come on, think, think FAUCI. They would prevent

(41:43):
be prevented from a many new patients or processing grant applications.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
More made for more ways to government money, grant applications,
so some non governmental entity gets more wasted government money.
And we've seen where this government money goes to do
check the the sexes of flies and things and oh.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
God, vaccinations. I mean, we've we've really come up against
some of these agencies and we're going, wait a second,
I'm not sure that I trust that agency or want
that agency. Not National Nuclear Security Administrations. So they're not

(42:32):
going to have any problem. They're going to remain operational
law enforcement, Federal law enforcement agencies, FBIDA, prison staff. They're
all going to stay on the job. Secret Service and
Coast Guard continue their duties. National parks and monuments are

(42:52):
closed rangers are furloughed and facilities are shut down, although
some states may have temporary fund operations so so that
some states may go ahead and fund their national parks.
What a concept. Not borders in the homeland Security, Border
patrol and immigration enforcement agents remain on duty. Local governments

(43:16):
will not receive new aid for migrant shelters. Migrant shelter,
they're not going to get.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Shut down anyway, Sharon, shut down. There aren't any mark
migrants coming in. In fact, the migrants are leaving thanks
to Donald Trump. Sharon.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Airport security it's going to stay open. But now congressional
pay Oh dog god, Now we're getting to the crux
of it, aren't we. Most of the White House staff
is furloughed except for some of the essential offices. So
come on, really, we're going to make make a big

(44:00):
deal out of this, right because we're a danger I
don't think so we know who's in danger. And it's
a political move.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Indeed it is.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I got to say about that.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Well, Sharon, let's get a break in here, and after
the break will play some of the best of interviews
here on the Conservative Commander's radio show. I'm Rick Trader,
My coas Sharon Engel. We'll be back with those interviews
right after this break.

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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with Sharon Engel and your Shirley Rick Dreader. Coming
to you from the my Pillar Studios and my Sturist
studios of the aun TV network. And you know, Sharon,
the state of Maine has been in the news President
Trump's dust up with the governor of that state and

(45:33):
it's very it's the right time, in the right place
to have our next guest on and Sharon please make
that introduction.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's my pleasure to introduce Robert Charles, who's also a
spokesman for Association and Mature American Citizens AMAC, as well
as former Assistant Secretary of State. He also served in
the Reagan and Bush forty one white Houses and as
counsel to the US House National Security Subcommittee for five years. Additionally,

(46:03):
ran a major portion of the US House Oversight Committee
for five years, during which time he ran the joint
committee in the Waco investigations. Robert has a new book,
Cherish America, Stories of Courage, Character and Kindness. Robert, Welcome
back to the Conservative Commandos radio show.

Speaker 7 (46:24):
Always a pleasure to be with both of you.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Well, it's always our pleasure. We always feel like we're
getting the real truth. And of course we're trying to
attract that younger audience, those eighteen to thirty five year
olds who say, just give me the truth. I'm so
tired of hearing the lamestream, mainstream legacy media talk about propaganda,

(46:51):
really and we've been learning a lot about what that
propaganda really represented. When as the president just keeps revealing
more and more. But you've got an article out public safety,
where are our leaders? So this isn't just something that

(47:13):
is occurring inside the Beltway. How about Maine.

Speaker 7 (47:17):
Well, it's interesting.

Speaker 9 (47:18):
Maine in many ways, and you've both referred to it
a little bit, is not only in the news. Is
emblematic of what's gone wrong around the country, particularly in
blue states, which actually tend to boil down mostly to
blue cities. And Maine is emblematic for a couple of reasons.
I mean, and I'm going to go to that public
safety issue. We really have a public safety crisis here

(47:41):
in Maine, and most manors see it in a sort
of an indirect way. They see the needles on the streets,
they see overdoses that.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Are at an all time high.

Speaker 9 (47:52):
They see crime gradually rising, they see particular crimes rising,
and they don't quite know what to make of it.
And I will tell you that We'll use Maine as
an example. Right now, organized crime is making a bee
line for rural America, and it's making a bee line
in particular for places like Maine, which is close to
Boston and New York.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
And so what do we see.

Speaker 9 (48:13):
We see the Trinitarios, which is a Dominican organized crime
group up here. We see pieces of the Sinaloa cartel
feeding into the fentanyl crisis here, and the heroin crisis
we see, and the meth crisis we see cocaine, meth, heroin,
and fentanyl, and now new synthetics which incidentally are not
responsive to this narcan sort of revival tool.

Speaker 7 (48:37):
All of that is happening here right here in the
state of Maine.

Speaker 9 (48:40):
And of course we have the Chinese organized crime groups.

Speaker 7 (48:42):
Some of them call them the Triads.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
They're actually kind of an offshoot of the Triads, but
they and they are managing both fentyl into the state
and these growhouses. We have more than three hundred of
these high potency marijuana growshouses. The real question that comes
to mind since we know where these drugs are coming from,
and in this particular case this state, most of the
drugs come right up through ninety five Route ninety five

(49:04):
into the state. So there's a main thoroughfare goming into
an artery coming into the state. And we have some
drugs coming down through the north, but not as many,
although across the northern border there were forty three pounds
of fentanyl last year, enough, if I may say, to
kill the entire state of Maine roughly seven or eight times.
So it is a dangerous, dangerous time and I think

(49:25):
the thing to say is this is a time when
governors and attorneys general need to be much more aggressive,
and we have the exact reverse going on here in Maine.
We have a governor who doesn't seem to give a
flying hoot about the fact that you have forty to
seventy kids dying a month in this state from fatal overdoses.

(49:46):
You had ten thousand overdoses in total fatal and non
fatal last year.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
And again, as I unfortunately have to say regularly.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
When I was growing up in this state and I'm
in the state now, but when I was growing up
in this state, if we had five overdoses statewide that
were fatal, it would have been a front page story.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
So, you know what, we've really lost the con here.

Speaker 9 (50:07):
And I guess in the end, you know, the liberals
want to say, well, this is just the new normal,
and I guess my reaction to that is.

Speaker 7 (50:15):
It is new.

Speaker 9 (50:16):
It is utterly not normal, and we need to get
those organized crime groups out of Maine and out of
rural America. You know, we also need to get them
out of the cities. But in many ways, the cities
are encouraging these groups by not just needle handouts and
legalization initiatives, but by importing illegal aliens, giving them sanctuary,

(50:36):
giving the gangs like the Venezuelan gangs, the El Salvadorian gangs,
the Guatemalan gangs, the Colombian gangs, giving them a.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
Free reign, we even have in this state of Maine.

Speaker 9 (50:46):
This will shock you both, because I know Sharon you're
out in California, and Rick, you spend some time in
cities in this rural state of Maine, where we have
only one point four million people total. We have parts
of the Crypts, Bloods, we have the gangster disciples, we
have the Latin Kings.

Speaker 7 (51:04):
So maners don't know it.

Speaker 9 (51:06):
And this is one of the big tragedies is the
Democrats have brought us to the to the precipice of
losing the ability to keep safe streets, in safe countryside
and in the state. I was talking to somebody yesterday
who just on the on the not even a manor,
who came up ninety five and said, hey, is this
a commonplace thing?

Speaker 7 (51:26):
I was in the.

Speaker 9 (51:27):
Bathrooms and there were overdose people in there. I said, no,
well yes it is, but it shouldn't be. So that's
the reality we've got here.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Okay, it sounds like you've really thought this through.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Bobby.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
What's the solution? You say, get aggressive? What does aggressive
look like?

Speaker 7 (51:47):
You know, I could give you a ten point plan
because it's moved.

Speaker 9 (51:50):
It's worked to eliminate these foreign drugs in a lot
of states, and frankly, I managed two billion dollars worth
of programs around the world in seventy countries. So the
first thing you do is create deterrents, so you start
shutting down.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
The thoroughfare into the state. You empower the.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
Law enforcement community with authorities that have been taken away
from them. Second, you get rid of the red tape
so that they can actually they don't have to file
two weeks worth of paperwork if they arrest someone that
happens to be a minority. Okay, well, if they're trafficking
the drugs, doesn't matter who they are. If they're trafficking
the drugs, they're going to be arrested.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
You have the third, you've got to stop this revolving
door with no bail.

Speaker 9 (52:28):
And we have people out there on the streets that
have committed six, seven, eight nine. I heard yesterday fifteen
felonies in one case, up in Bangor and they're.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
Still out on the street.

Speaker 9 (52:37):
So you know, because they're released if they aren't brought
to trial in a certain period of time. Yes, that's true,
but you know, the legislature has to give more resources
to prosecutors. That's not happening at the district attorney level.
At the state level, never mind, our attorney general at
the overall state level is really dead to rights. He'd

(52:58):
prefer to sue oil companies out in California. Then to
get rid of these drug traffickers. Other things you need
to do which are concrete. In a state again of
one point four million people, we have only three hundred
and fifty treatment beds. Well, there are people seeking treatment
around the clock. It doesn't make any sense not to
have effective treatment. They've taken a lot of the prevention
out of schools. How does it work when you don't

(53:19):
tell kids that this is dangerous? There's no training for parents.
Parents need to know that their kids are at risk.
And then you have to get the budget back for
local law enforcement and state law enforcement. And finally, it
need to bring DEA in. DEA is here, but in
much smaller numbers than historically. And we also need to
designate the top part of this state of high intensity
drug trafficking area other parts of the country are that

(53:41):
why aren't we when we have people dying up in
Castine and in Pressed Skuyle and in Holton. These are
northern cities in the state of Maine. Yet it says
if this governor doesn't care, Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Say you care, Bobby. You're just one person. Do you
have to go through through the legislature every time? Or
could you be like President Trump? Do you have a
do you have a hammer as one person? And if so,
who is that person that has that hammer? I mean,
is it the aging realist governor?

Speaker 7 (54:15):
Here is a good, good question.

Speaker 9 (54:17):
I mean, realistically, the average citizen has their vote. They
can work with a tour church or a local nonprofit,
or they can they can work with a local civic group,
but they individually are not very powerful. As a group,
they can compel attention on this.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
And obviously I'm part of groups that are trying.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
To get attention to public safety in the state because
it's absolutely vital. Without public safety, without being able to
safely walk to your car or let your kids bicycle
in the neighborhood, you.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Really don't have much else.

Speaker 9 (54:47):
I mean, you know, how how do you prosper you know, life,
liberty and the pursuit of happenings to begin with security.
So in terms of an individual, yes, a governor could
change this, a attorney general could change this, or a
legislature that woke up and said, yes, we want to
get the supply of fentanyl even more dangerous. I mean,

(55:09):
it's fifty times more potent than heroin. They just found
pure heroin in Lewiston, Maine. That's extraordinary. We haven't found
it here in years, maybe decades. So what's happened is
it's always very simple in a way. You either create
deterrence and you have a get well, stay well program,
or you try to appease, make people happy, pretend the

(55:29):
problem isn't there, and imagine that somehow addiction and the
death that follows it doesn't send a terrible ripple. I've
sat with the families that have lost their kids. I've
sat with the kids that are on fentanyl. And you
don't think that the siblings and the parents and the
grandparents and the close friends and the aunts and the
uncles are all affected.

Speaker 7 (55:46):
Of course they are.

Speaker 9 (55:48):
And so you know, you have to believe it matters
and then just execute the policies.

Speaker 7 (55:53):
And it's not that hard to stop it.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
In a period of twenty four forty eight months, you
would get all the organized crime this state.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Se you just need a tough guy. You just need
somebody that will be tough.

Speaker 9 (56:07):
You need to empower those who have been trained to
do the right thing instead of disempowering them.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Okay, So we have a situation here in Nevada where
we're a battleground state. We have election issues, and so
I said, Okay, I'm only one person, but I'm going
to throw my hat into the secretary of State's race here.
Now I can do that because we don't file until

(56:37):
March of twenty twenty six. So I can declare, declare, declare,
But the final push the button is in March. What
happens in Maine? Is it like that or is it different?
If if we were to say, Okay, we're convinced we
want Bobby Charles for our governor, what does that process

(56:58):
look like? I mean, could you just go out and
do it today or do you have to wait? I mean,
what's the process.

Speaker 9 (57:05):
Well, so let's talk about both the constitutional officers and
the governorship, you can set up an exploratory committee, which
actually in our second congressional district, our former governor Lapage
just set up an exploratory committee. You can you could,
you could register, and you could you could declare it tomorrow.
You would file reports in July if you declare before

(57:28):
now and then and you would file reports in December
if you declare in July, which is pretty standard.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
And then in the in the primary year, which is
next year, when.

Speaker 9 (57:36):
You would have a June primary for most of well,
certainly for the gubernatorial you would I think that's quarterly filing.
I'd have to go look at that, but that's the
way it would work for the governorship. Interestingly, Maine is
a bit anomalist when it comes to our constitutional officers
Secretary of State, treasurer, and attorney general. We're the only state,

(57:56):
I think in the country where the legislature picks those
PEO people. Creates a very odd separation of powers question
because it's not clear to whom those people are really
accountable when they are selected by the majority.

Speaker 7 (58:11):
The Democrats control.

Speaker 9 (58:12):
This a one started, one party state at the moment,
just by a hair but it's a one party state.
So we are missing I think three or four seats
in the House and three in the Senate out of
one hundred and well, you've got one hundred and fifty
one in the in the House and thirty five in
the Senate. And we of course have a Democrat governor
who has distinguished herself with her embarrassing effrontery. And actually

(58:36):
she's a former she's a former attorney general for the state,
and yet in my opinion, she doesn't have her law
right either, so she's really put herself in a position
of embarrassing all of us as Mainers.

Speaker 7 (58:46):
But that's another topic.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Well, shame on her is what I have to say.
Shame on her, because this that you're talking about is
not partisan. It is I mean, death doesn't respect not
one party over another, and certainly that's what we're talking
about here, is really life and death situation.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
You know, Sharon, it's it's really it's even more poignant,
in my opinion than that.

Speaker 7 (59:13):
We're talking about kids, that's what we're talking.

Speaker 9 (59:15):
About, while adults also orders. We're talking about the deterioration
of the the information chain that protects these kids, the
treatment chain that protects them. This governor has decided that
the answer to the crisis is to put twenty thousand
units of narcan in schools a month. That is not

(59:38):
the answer to this crisis, okay. And she's honestly, she
has disempowered law enforcement in all kinds of ways.

Speaker 7 (59:45):
I could give you the list, but it would take
us all day.

Speaker 9 (59:48):
And she's put us in a position, and the Democrats
have put us in a position where we really we
know what the answers are.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
And we're not pursuing them, Sharon.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
And so I guess if you think about it, it's
also infecting our education system. There were times in the
last thirty years when Maine was literally the top public
education system in the country. We've been based on fourth
grade and eighth grade math and reading scores. We've been
in the top five many many times, and now just
in the last ten years, we've shifted and drifted down

(01:00:20):
to being number forty nine if you believe it, forty
six out of another survey in the country, thirty six
out of another survey.

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
At the end of the day, we are letting down
our kids, and.

Speaker 9 (01:00:31):
You know, the future, We're only around so long, and
you know, if you don't hand it off, I mean,
you don't have to be Edmund Burke or you know,
Ronald Reagan to understand that if you don't hand off
the safeguards and the teaching and the love of freedom
but also the love of responsibility, you will not have
a country.

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
And in this case, we're having a state deteriorate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
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(01:01:18):
going to say this, Bobby, you can rebuttle me or whatever.
Our special guest Robert Charles, and I'm going to say,
Bobby for Governor of Maine, who's the spokesman for Association
of Mature America and Citizens. We've been talking about Maine
being a just the tip of the iceberg of what's

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Robert Charles he is a spokesman for the Association of
Mature Americans Citizens AMAC. He's got a new book out,
Charged America, Stories of Courage, Character and Kindness. Robert, thank
you for holding through that break. We appreciate your time,
you know, Robert looking at me and Rickert. Maine seems

(01:04:53):
to be an anomaly in the sense that it's a
state that had said like Olympia, Snow has a senator
like Collins. They were supposed to be Republicans. They were
always all over the place. Even Susan Collins Sowa's a
question of how she's going to vote. The other senator

(01:05:15):
is Angus King, who's calls himself an independent but always
seems to caucus with the Democrats. It's a state that
went for Kamala Harris. So you see what it mean
by it's all over the place. Explain the politics of
Maine to me.

Speaker 9 (01:05:35):
Please let me try to let me try to condense
fifty or sixty years down into fifty or sixty seconds.
This state used to be very Republican. As main goes,
so goes the nation, was the adage. And in you
know some one of our really extraordinary many many senators
and representatives were Republican and extraordinary.

Speaker 7 (01:05:54):
Margaret Chase Smith.

Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
In my twenties was still around, and she was an
amazing force, very strong, hawkish Republican. She did her declaration
of conscience on McCarthyism, but she really was a diehard,
a diehard Republican. What happened is Ed Muski, who was
a senator also, who got along well with Margaret Chase Smith,
actually learned a lesson from the Republicans. If you start

(01:06:19):
to get the young involved in politics, and you bring
them into internships, and you bring them into the system,
then over a course of years, you will infect the process.
I guess that wouldn't be the word he would use,
but I will use it. And all of a sudden
you've got these democrats leaning tendencies, And of course we
then ended up with a whole string of Democrat Democrat

(01:06:41):
leadership in the state here and again, we did have
Paul la Page about ten years ago as a governor.

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
He was very good. We had mccernan prior to that,
several governors back. But it really comes down to the
fact that I don't know how to describe.

Speaker 9 (01:06:54):
This, but you have to tend your garden, okay, And
if you think it's attend itself, you're wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
Okay. You have to educate.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
The next governor of Maine, whoever they are, needs to
bring a whole gaggle of young people into the system.
Get them into the agencies, get them into encourage them
to run for the legislature.

Speaker 7 (01:07:13):
Get why. And we do have some young by the way,
we do have.

Speaker 9 (01:07:16):
Some young legislators, a woman by the name of Reagan
paul Is I think all of twenty five, and she's
an amazing conservative about spoken, thoughtful.

Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
And we have we have we almost have control of
both chambers.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
But you know, a majority is majority, and a few
votes make all the difference. So what I would like
to believe, I mean, You've taken me down the rabbit
hole of Maine, so I'm going to go right there.
What I would like to believe is that in twenty
twenty six Maine can turn almost completely read. And I
don't mean I don't mean a marginally read. I mean

(01:07:48):
it is so bad in so many areas. The economy,
the taxes, the spending, the education system, which we hear
a lot about lately, the public safety issue, the energy prices,
the inattention to over regulation, all of this. We've we're
running businesses out of the state because they don't have

(01:08:09):
the they're not encouraged to stay here, right, And we're
running kids out of the state because they're looking for jobs.

Speaker 7 (01:08:15):
So and we've you know, the period, we only have
a few core.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Industries or sectors, and you know one of them is fishing.
And I'll say you it's so overregulated that today there
are one third the number of lobstermen that there were
in my youth.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
So what do you do.

Speaker 9 (01:08:31):
It's like anything else in the world. Ronald Reagan would
have given you. You need strong deterrence of bad things.
So you need to be strong on crime, in his case,
national security defense. You need lower regulations so that there's
greater freedom. It's a zero sum game. And you need
lower taxes to encourage people to keep their money spend

(01:08:52):
it where they should be spending it, and not have
the government in this case really waste it in horrible ways.
You know this state, and I'll leave you with is
fact that should make you sit back. Seven years ago
the budget in the state was six point eight billion.
The Democrats just dropped a budget for eleven point seven billion.
So what I say to, So what happened? Did the
state double in size when we were all not looking?

Speaker 7 (01:09:13):
Of course not.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
They're just wasting money and forcing us to buy things
we don't want with money that we don't have.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Robert, I don't know a family that hasn't been affected
by drugs. I, in particular, have lost two nephews, two nieces.
My wife is lost in a nephew. I don't know
if family this hasn't affected you. Maine is a border state. Yeah,
it's a border state, northern borter, but it's supporter state.

(01:09:44):
And we're being told more and more that, like drucks
are coming across the southern border, they're also coming across
the northern border. And what I'm getting to, what is
the solution for drugs? I don't I think there's any
one answer. I think the answer has to come from
many different angles.

Speaker 7 (01:10:06):
Which yeah, so I actually have worked in this most
of my life. So in the late eighties we did
a very good job.

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
And people often think of Nancy Reagan Ronald Reagan, but
what we did is we changed the attitudes towards drugs
by educating kids.

Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
And behavior always follows attitudes.

Speaker 9 (01:10:24):
So if you liberalize it, open it up, tell people
there's no harm in it, they're gonna try it and
they're gonna lie.

Speaker 7 (01:10:29):
A lot of them are going to die.

Speaker 9 (01:10:30):
But on the flip side, if you if you change
the attitude through prevention, and then again I use this
get well, you know, stay well program, if you have
effective treatment, because a lot of people want treatment, they
fall into a quicksand and they're screaming and they're looking
their hands are up there, please help me. We have
we literally have people around the block at a lot

(01:10:50):
of these treatment centers, the ones that we have, So
that's an important piece of it. Keeping the foreign drugs
out of Maine is another huge piece of it. These
drug us, ventanyl, cocaine, heroin, meth are coming from outside
of Maine and actually mostly outside of the country. We
did a great job in the early two thousands believe

(01:11:11):
it or not, in getting a lot of these drugs
out of here, and I ran again, I ran some
piece of that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
But it was a joint interagency effort.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
You have locals, state and federal on the law enforcement front.
You have federal support for state initiatives and state support
for those same initiatives. On the treatment front, you have
a unified messaging in the schools that say and by
the way, even I mean, we have a lot of
other problems. We have education related problems which kind of

(01:11:39):
reinforce the bad feedback loop. But I will add one
last thing right now, most of the drugs in the
state of Main come out of a hub in Boston.
They do not come yet over the northern border. We
do have drugs coming over the northern border, but not
the same It's not the same as the southern border. However,
you know, Colon Powell used to always say, keep looking
around corners, keep anticipating. So what is going to happen

(01:12:03):
when we shut down the southern border with a big
wall and we're doing the maritime.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
Work, where are they going to go?

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
They're going to go through the northern border and the
northern border of Maine and the northern border of New
York and New Hampshire and all the states to the
west are wide open. You can walk across those borders.
So I'm not proposing a wall to the north. You know,
Hadrian's Wall was.

Speaker 7 (01:12:23):
Somewhat effective, but not entirely.

Speaker 9 (01:12:26):
But I am proposing that you create deterrence on those
borders so that it's made clear that the bad guys
have no options. And I you know we you know
Rich Armitage, who was the deputy for Palell, used to say,
when you pull your hand out of the bucket, it
fills in real fast around you.

Speaker 7 (01:12:43):
If there is no deterrence, the bad guys come.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Do you believe it needs a the club iron fist approach.

Speaker 9 (01:12:52):
Absolutely, that's the Reagan Thatcher. Yeah, you have to be
able to understand. And by the way, you need to
distinguish between people who need help and people who are
part of the problem. And you know, arresting low level
people if you can get them into treatment, might make sense,
but the point of that is to get them off
the drugs and out of the environment. The high level folks,

(01:13:15):
the traffickers were talking about, the Dominicans, the Venezuelans, the Mexicans,
the Chinese. Those people have to be taken to task
at both the state and federal prosecutorial level, and frankly,
we're not Historically in the last four years, we have
not been doing enough at the federal level either with prosecutors.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
You know, Robert see Republican National Convention this past summer
that nominated Donald Trump. There was a young lady that
stood up there. Her name was Anne Thunder, and she
had the audience and tears why because she lost a
son to fentanyl and it was an excit. He didn't

(01:13:55):
know what he was taken, and the person that he
got the drugs from didn't even get a slap on
the rest. And I believe that anybody who who gives
or sells drugs to anyone else that resolves in a death,
that person should be held for murder.

Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
Well, there's certainly the proximate cause of the death, aren't they,
And as a result, there are states that are actually
pursuing those laws.

Speaker 7 (01:14:25):
If you mentioned.

Speaker 9 (01:14:27):
My book earlier, there is a chapter in the book
about a woman who lost her son to heroin and
was he was an amazing athlete.

Speaker 7 (01:14:38):
He was the captain of the lacrosse team.

Speaker 9 (01:14:39):
Who's a black belt, he fell in with the wrong
crowd for a short period of time, and if that was.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
True twenty years ago, it is true one hundred times.

Speaker 9 (01:14:49):
So today there are people in the main legislature who
have lost their kids to drugs, and I say, you know,
this is the you know you can I can can't
remember whether it was Reagan or it was, but one
of the founders, I think it was one of the
founders who said, if this country falls in the end,

(01:15:11):
it will probably not fall to an external threat.

Speaker 7 (01:15:14):
It will fall to an internal threat.

Speaker 9 (01:15:15):
And that that's what we're facing right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Now, definitely. Robert Charles, spokesman for AMAC, Association of Mature
amer Consistence, the author of the book Cherish for America
Stories of Courage, character and Kindness. Robert, please give our viewers,
the listeners, the information how they can keep in contact
with you, read the things that you write by your book.

Speaker 9 (01:15:40):
So AMAC dot us is the site for AMAC, and
you can go on and become a member at almost
fifty percent discount. Actually, right now you get an unbelievable magazine.
I have a couple of articles coming out in it
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Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
It comes out regularly. In my opinion, the writing in it.

Speaker 9 (01:15:56):
Superb writers just everybody from s Asked Gorka to know
Rebecca Weber to just great writers, great thinkers. And so
if you if you enjoy intellectuals, you know, and by
the way, also getting ahead of the curve that magazine's amazing,
we also have.

Speaker 7 (01:16:14):
I mean, the website is incredible.

Speaker 9 (01:16:15):
The discounts that you get, I mean I travel a lot,
and uh, you know, you get to travel discounts of
all kinds. So those are those make it. I mean,
you can pay for your many times over, you pay
for your membership just that way. But I would say
the biggest reason is that AMAC is really kind of
the inheritor of the Reagan legacy and a.

Speaker 7 (01:16:32):
Believer obviously in a lot of the policies.

Speaker 9 (01:16:35):
Of Donald Trump, in the sense that not because they're partisan,
but because the policies are protective of the American dream.
And you know, frankly, I welcome Democrat friends of mine
to become members of AMAC, because sometimes you need to
understand the principles behind the decisions you're making. And and
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the process at the state level, at the local level,
and at the federal level.

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
So it's a great deal.

Speaker 9 (01:17:11):
And you're part of a family, and millions of Americans
are AMAC members, and you're part of a family if
you join, all right in.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Your book, tell us how our listeners can get your book.

Speaker 9 (01:17:22):
The number one way to get the book is to
go to towerpub dot com which is Tower Publishing dot
com and to just buy it there from the publisher.
They ship it in beautiful wrapping. They even have signed
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Speaker 7 (01:17:42):
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When you finish the book, you will love America even
more than you love it today.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
You can also get it on Amazon, and it's been
a lot of bookstores. So but the idea of going
to Cherish America, I mean there probably if you're going
to get just one book this year and you want
to feel good about it, read a story, and this
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Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
It's my pleasure to introduce Michael Butsler, who is a
public policy analyst and professor of Finance at Stockton University,
where he teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in finance and economics.
He has written the op ed columns in major newspapers
for more than thirty five years. Michael, welcome back to
the Conservative Commanders Radio Show.

Speaker 10 (01:20:34):
Well, thanks for having me, Sharon. As you know, it's
always my pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
It's our pleasure too to have you. Michael. You've written
a great article, from wokism to nationalism. Corporations are changing
strategies in the Trump area era, you say. Within days
of Donald Trump securing the presidency in November of twenty
twenty four, America's business, media, and tech landscapes to win

(01:21:00):
a seismic shift. Advertising messages were changed, corporate policies were amended.
Even major media outlets that have typically excluded alternative views
announced changes in editorial policies. Why is it really go woke,
go broke? Are they finally waking up? What's going on? Michael?

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
So?

Speaker 10 (01:21:24):
During during the Biden administration, they strongly encouraged all this
woke and they even encouraged business executive business leaders to
follow this. Disney, for instance, went hard on this Walmart target,
and the President convinced them, look, I was elected that

(01:21:46):
this is what the people want. They want things very progressive.
So if you follow that as the woke, you'll be
more profitable. It'll be good, good for your business. So
they tried it for a while. They did run into
a few snags and basically it didn't work. So now

(01:22:07):
President Trump's coming in and he said, listen, instead of
making decisions based on what somebody thinks, people want, We're
going back to common sense. We're going back to common
sense decisions. Now, you, as a business person, if you
make a common sense decision, would you do all this
woke stuff? And they said no. The common sense is

(01:22:31):
to do what we always do, give the consumers the
best product that we can, and always charge a price
that they're willing to pay. We have to be sensitive
to consumer needs, and I believe with the election of
President Trump, we realize the needs of the country are
changing away from this progressive way of looking at things,

(01:22:57):
which has led to band outcomes, toward more common sense
way of doing things, more traditional values, which lead to
very positive outcomes. So businesses all over realized it. They
also said that the social media company said that we

(01:23:19):
can't censor free speech anymore. By the prior administration, I
believe they were told certain things like the Hunter Biden
laptop and any conservative views, you want to tag those
as misinformation and don't publish them. The result ended up

(01:23:43):
being they were censoring the other point of view. So
now they said, we're not going to do that anymore.
Now we're going to allow people to say what they want,
regardless of their opinion, their standards, obviously, but to say
what you want and we won't do stupid things like

(01:24:04):
throwing President Trump off of Facebook for two years. So
that's essentially what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Well, I'm glad you mentioned Zuckerberg because Zuckerberg and Mark
Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are too that you mentioned in
your article that have kind of shifted their focus. Talk
about those guys.

Speaker 10 (01:24:25):
Look at so Jeff Bezos buys the New York Post,
like the Washington The Washington Post, I mean, like the
New York Times. They tend to have a very progressive
opinion about things. Washington Post had what they called the
conservative columnist Jennifer Rubin, who turned out to be anything

(01:24:49):
but now Mark Tiessen writes for them and he's conservative.
But the whole slant of the newspaper was very conservative.
It's difficult for their slant was very liberal. Whether it's
difficult for someone who's a conservative or even someone who's
a moderate to read what are supposed to be factual

(01:25:12):
articles and seeing there's such a bias in there, and
it's very difficult, and I think they were losing subscribers.
And Jeff Bezos said, this is not the future. I
can see what the future is happening. I can see
what's happening in the CNN and MSNBC. I can see

(01:25:34):
how there are people are leaving. I see what's happening,
and we're going to have to go to a more
and he used the words common sense and free market. Now,
a lot of the liberals at the Washington Post said
we're not doing this and left, which is okay. You know,
we're in the era of today of learning how to

(01:25:56):
operate efficiently with far less number of employees. Musk bought
Twitter seventy five percent less people is working. Well, federal
government has over two million people employed. They're going to
go in and say, at least half of these we
don't need, so you can get by with fewer people.

(01:26:21):
And that's I guess where the trend is heading toward.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
Well, there's another trend that's kind of reactive. Here's a
proactive for you. Amazon. You mentioned it's going to do
a documentary on Milanya Trump. Long time in coming. I
mean we've been kind of waiting because usually that's just
something they do when you have a new first lady,
everybody wants to know about her.

Speaker 10 (01:26:46):
Yeah, and we thought, you know, we're so used to
seeing Michelle Obama This and Michelle Obama then Michelle Obama's podcast,
and it was very refreshing to see a commentary or
rather than to do with Milania in there. Now, you know,
they're not really doing that because they suddenly had a

(01:27:08):
change of heart. They're doing it because the market has
changed and the market is more common sense oriented and
not this wokism. I think Milania Trump is a truly
elegant woman. It's not since Jackie Kennedy, who was a

(01:27:29):
real it was like Catalot. She was a real elegant
woman woman. Not since her have we had somebody as
a first lady with the elegance, the charm, the intelligence.
I think she speaks half a dozen languages, and it's
very refreshing to see that. And Amazon sees the appeal

(01:27:51):
that that adds to the public, and it's you know,
it's money. It's a profitable decision, and that's what's made
I think they're also bringing back Trump Show The Apprentice.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
Hey, Michael, Michael, you mean to tell me Barbara Bush
didn't remind you of Jackie Kennedy.

Speaker 10 (01:28:09):
I like Barbara Bush. She looked a.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Little America's favorite grandmother.

Speaker 10 (01:28:15):
You know, that's what I'm going to try to be tactful.
But yeah, now you have Melania who's every time I
see her, I believe she's more elegant.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Okay, so you mentioned one of my favorite and that's
tongue in cheek only because he was a graduate of
the University of nevd Arena and then went on to
startom and we all thought, oh wow, that's nice to
have a Nevaden and starman and that's stardom and that's
Colin Kaepernick. What's going on with him? I thought he

(01:28:48):
just kind of floated away.

Speaker 10 (01:28:52):
And so he, uh, in the beginning, represented what the
Biden administration believed was a movement and these progressive ideas
with you know, stressing equal rights. They say we don't
have that and saying that you think black people don't matter, Well,
black people do matter. And you think the country is

(01:29:16):
so great, look at the way it treats us. You know,
we're going to protest that by not standing for the
national anthem. We're going to take a knee to show
our displeasure with the way the US treats, or at
least our perception is the way the US treats these people.
So Kaepernick did it on a big stage, you know,

(01:29:37):
Sunday afternoon NFL game draws who knows how many. So
he did it on a big stage, and he became
the symbol of standing against the bad parts of America.
He said, he faded away because people said, wait a minute,
we have some bad parts, but you know we have

(01:29:57):
a lot of good parts. You know, take a look
at the la it's more than half full. And we
don't think these things are saying that the bad part
are really as bad as you're saying. So now people,
you know, they don't want to look at the country
and feel bad this is something that bad. They want
to look and feel good again, you know, just common
sense and look at all the bright parts we have

(01:30:20):
to this country, and you know we look in a
wonderful place in spite of all our problems we do.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
And and we used to think McDonald's represented some of
that good stuff. I mean, they were really the giant
in fast foods. Every kid knows.

Speaker 10 (01:30:38):
About, you know, old larches.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, and the Happy Meal and where you go to
to jump in the bounce house. So what happened to McDonald's.

Speaker 10 (01:30:53):
Well, like every business, you're only successful if you satisfy
the needs of your customers. For instance, when parents take
their young kids for a happy meal, they want to
run around and play. So, as you mentioned, McDonald says, okay,
we'll make this playground for them. Their customers said, look,

(01:31:15):
I only have a minute with these kids, So give
me a whole little meal set up for the for
the kids that I can get through the drive through
and throw a little toy or something in there, you know,
so the kids are happy. So they met the needs
of the market. And that's how you make money in
any kind of business. Figure out how to profitably get
people exactly what they want at exactly the price they're

(01:31:39):
willing to pay. So McDonald's now they're going to have
to change and start thinking about some more common sense
things because people aren't going for all this wokeness anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:31:51):
We want to be back to being normal. Why we
used to be traditional values and feel good about the country, patriot,
you know that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Well, and you mentioned that Walmart has now done and
then about face, and I think that's where we're seeing
it here on the ground, is the places where we shop,
the places where we eat. We're seeing them come back
around to us, and it's been pretty quickly that they've
done this.

Speaker 10 (01:32:18):
Yeah, it has in the target that some strange stuff,
some trans clothing way and something I love. So they're
coming around too, And in order to keep doing well,
they're going to have to come around.

Speaker 7 (01:32:36):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:32:37):
Somebody asked me, well, they're doing away with diversity, equity
and inclusion. I said, you know, we really have a
different definition of diversity, equity and inclusion. When we talk
about diversity, we talk about diversity of opinion and diversity
of thought. And we live in a democratic society and

(01:32:57):
we welcome healthy debates, so we like the verse thought
has nothing to do with any demographic characteristics. Equity, to
borrow a phrase from a former professor of mine, equity
is I keep what I earn and you keep what
you earn. That's it inclusion. Let's make sure that everybody

(01:33:20):
is included. Every well prepared American is included in the
economy and has opportunity. So that's the new diversity, equity
and inclusion. Nothing with any demographic character touristics. Wherever your
skin color is, whoever gender you are, you know, whatever
you want to do. We're looking at those things, not
demographic characteristics.

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Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
Hey, welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Command This
radio show with Sharon Angle and Armor Trader coming to
you from the My Pillow studios to My Store studios
of the AUN TV network, and you know, sharing every show.
We talked about my Pillow, we talked about my store,
and I thought it'd be fun if I share my

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screen with you and we go to mystore dot com.
See the myriad of products that Mike Lindell has for sale.
Here goes Sharon hit When we are at my store
dot com and just look at just look at the
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and drink, garden and patio health, home improvement, household essentials,
kitchen and dining, personal care, pets, religious, sports and outdoors,
toys and games, Frank Speed specials, Patriotic my shorre TV.
Guess what Sharon? There it is. There is your Christmas

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shopping ladies and gentlemen. This is where you go to
do your shopping, your Christmas shopping. Why because you want
to fall the advice of Barack Obama. You remember when
he said, reward my friends or reward your friends, punish
your enemies. Use your economic power as the second vote.

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Support conservatives, support patriotic conservative businesses. And in my opinion,
when you talk about a true American patriot, you are
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So you're going to get great products at a great price.
You're supporting Mike Lindell and his employees. And by using

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our promotion code au n TV, you're helping to support
us here at Conservative Commandos at the aun TV network.
So Sharon, I want you to give me one of
these categories. We're going to open it up and see
what's inside of it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Okay, I'm always curious to see what religious has.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
To talk Boom and the website's really easy to use.
You just click on it and there are the products
for religious marks, Line of Judah, Jesus, car air freshers.
And now that's what I didn't think of. Jim Hansel

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frame print Recognize, fifty Days of Devotion, Bible study Guides,
Letter to the American Church inspired Indigo key chain. Did
you know faith based?

Speaker 7 (01:38:35):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Right? So when you say religion, boom, there it is. Yeah,
there's a lot there too, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I mean it's a variety of different things that you
can send to your to your family or give to
your family. Things that I mean. It's not just I've
got all the inspiration on my pillows. They sit around
my house now, So it's more than just that. It's
more than just pillows. It's artwork for your for your

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for your home, and it's also air fresheners, right, things,
conversation starters. I guess I guess that's part of it.
You know, you get some you know what conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
One that really interested me is the American Patriots Bible.
M that would be of interest to me. Let me
see a click on it. What's it say about it?
American Patriots Bible, We're about the product. Never has a
version of the Bible targeted the spiritual needs of those

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who love our country more than the American Patriots Bible.
This extremely unique Bible shows how the history of the
United States connects the people and events of the Bible
to our lives in a modern world. The story of
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of the Bible and includes a beautiful, full color family
record section, memorable images of our nation's history, and hundreds
of enlightening articles which complement the new King James version
of the Bible text. Now, you know, Sharon, that would
be interesting to me. You know, I've talked on this

(01:40:27):
show many, many, many times about how divine in the
way I look at it, divine intervention play in the
creation of our country, played in the life of George Washington,
saved the American Revolution time after time after time. This

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is you know what, ladies and gentlemen, if you are
looking to buy Rick Trader a Christmas gift. This is it,
this is I'm serious. This is again. If I would
really really appreciate Sharon, I really would.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
Well, I think Santa probably knows well.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
I'm putting it out there, are not I I'm putting
out there?

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Ye?

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Conservative Commandos Radio Show with Sharon Angle and you're shrely
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Michael Butler is our guest this segment. He's a public
policy analysis and professor of finance at Stockton University. Michael,
thank you for holding through that break. We appreciate your time,
and we're discussing UH go woke, go broke corporations changing

(01:42:53):
back to two common sense. Michael, when when we.

Speaker 11 (01:42:58):
Look at the evolution of wokeness and the evolution back
to common sense, I say this wokeness goes back to
the Obama days and the reasons I say that was
during the Obama days, Obama and people like ariic Holder

(01:43:21):
went after the banks to stop giving credit and stop
gun shops from using credit card purchases.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
And I think that was the beginning of it. And
then you, I think the turning point may have come
with the bud light fiasco. And then Target followed up
on that, and just recently I saw that and I
wanted to get your opinion on this. There is a

(01:43:52):
class action suit against Target. The plaintiffs are stockholders that
own stock and Target, and the claim is that Target
was not fulfilling their fiduciary duties to the stockholders, and
wanted to get your comments about the bud lighte fiasco.

(01:44:16):
I don't think Ennheuser Busch has yet even recovered from that,
and neither has Target.

Speaker 10 (01:44:23):
Okay, so it brought up three really good things what
Obama did the bud Light and it was the third
one target on target Target. Hang on, let's start with Obama.
When Obama was running for office, he said I want
to fundamentally change America. When he got in, that's what

(01:44:48):
he tried to do. He doesn't believe in the way
the capitalistic system works, where you get a very unequal
distribut of income. Some people are very successful and some
people aren't. He always believed that there should be more

(01:45:09):
of an equal distribution of wealth. So all these programs
taking care of who he convinced people were underprivileged, the
blacks or her. This group has heard, that group has heard.
All of that was meant to this wokeism really transfers
income because the people that earn the income have to

(01:45:30):
pay for it and the people that don't earn the
income get it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
And he thought that was right.

Speaker 10 (01:45:36):
Because he you know, that's that's what he believed. So
along with that belief, by the way, that's exactly right.
So along with that came all these socialistic programs, national
health insurance, he tried. He sort of got something and

(01:45:58):
a lot of big government and agencies to take care
of people, creating huge bureaucracies who were funded by taxpayers
to provide services to all these people that are in need.
And then the people that ended up being in need,

(01:46:19):
you know, somehow said we really shouldn't be here in need.
It's the system's fault. There's something against us. America is bad,
and I think that's what led to the beginning of
the wocism. So now we have Dylan mulvaney and Budweiser,
who's about as much of a physical man's football playing drink,

(01:46:44):
decides to bring in a trans person to represent their beer.
And as I've said, if you're going to make money,
you have to give your customers what they want. They
didn't want that, and the I don't know, decades of
building up the reputation that they did, you know, was

(01:47:11):
the Clydesdale's flopping around, you know, and suddenly it was lost.
They dropped I think thirty percent of their business. They're
trying to fight back, and they're even trying to get
tied into football again. But I'll tell you that that's
such a shock to their customer. They start thinking, how
did I ever drink this? So that was a terrible thing. Okay, then, look,

(01:47:36):
I buy Target stock like I buy stock in any company,
because I'm looking for either dividends or growth as a
result of profit. So the management, who I pay a
very handsome salary, has an obligation to the owners of
the corporation to do things that will bring in more profit.

(01:48:01):
What they were doing with the trans clothing and what
their sales plummeted. So the stockholders say, you know, wait
a minute, I pay this money to do this. You
made a decision that was awful. As a result, I
had a pretty good loss from that. My value my
stock went down. I want to hold you liable, that's

(01:48:21):
what they're saying. Frankly, I don't think they have a prayer.
Because he's an employee and the company hire him to
make decisions. Sometimes he doesn't make good ones, you know,
unless he can prove theres they can prove some kind
of an intent to do something. I don't think that's
what's going to go very far. It does, however, show

(01:48:41):
that the management of all these corporations are ultimately responsible
to their stockholders. It's their money. They own the company.
So when you're doing things, it better be geared toward
being more profitable for the company, not something you say, well,

(01:49:03):
we have a social responsibility and you know, so I'm
gonna pay for this. We're gonna lose money, but I'm
gonna pay for this as part of our social responsibility. Well,
the owner said, no, it's not. Uh so you have
a little bit of a clash there. Disney went through
some problems like that. They're they're coming around a little
bit now too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Yeah, you know, Michael, sometimes I think the American people
are a little bit too nice for their own good
to accepting. And I think we can blame ourselves for
some of this wokeness by not recognizing it for what
it was in the very beginning and saying whoa stop right,

(01:49:42):
you know, stop it it's gotten you know. Also the
George Floyd in I thought, I think propelled things down
this slippery slope.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Also the media, we're really seeing changes in the media.
We're CNN, the viewership, the ratings are futured, and I
can remember after the first Golf War, CNN was like
the little engine that could. CNN really I think made

(01:50:17):
the cable networks sit up and take notice. But look
what's happening. Nobody's watching CNN, MSNBC and NBC are are
laying off their quote unquote stars. Things are really changing
in the media. But Michael, I'm thinking, and I'll be

(01:50:39):
honest with you, I'm hoping that they go the way
of bud Light, that they never do recover from their
mistakes until they stop look at what they're doing, seeing
how their brands are being rejected by we the consumer
and saying, you know what, we got to be more

(01:51:01):
like Fox. We got to start reporting on the news
rather than trying to make the news with our opinions
exactly right.

Speaker 10 (01:51:11):
And you know, I tell people, as consumers, you know,
we have power because we can vote for things, we
can vote for people, we can get all so we
have power in voting. Well, when you take your dollars,
think of that as dollar votes. And when you go
to buy things, and if you're following a station, you're

(01:51:34):
paying for the station, then you're casting dollar votes in
that direction. But look again, you have to give the
market what they want. Fox News is giving a sensible
approach to problems and to analyzing situations. Zelenski doesn't say

(01:51:58):
the right thing to Trump. Trump gets a little upset,
and then Vance gets a little upset. They ended and
send them home. Well, Trump said, look, we're giving them
zillions of dollars and we're doing all the stuff where
you'd be more grateful if he's not going to deal.
And he came here to sign. Now he says he
don't want to sign. Well, tell me to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:52:19):
The left, you know, the media, oh my god, it's
the worst thing that ever happened. Will never as a
country be able to recover from this and all that
very negative slant. Ten days later, he's ready to sign
a peace agreement with the guy. So you have to
be more objective. You know that that sort of brings

(01:52:42):
to you. You have to understand Trump a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:52:49):
You know, sometimes he's still very misunderstood, Michael, because exactly
what he's doing with these terrorists. You've seen the reaction
to the terrorists, both coming from Mexico, coming from from Canada,
and also the reaction by the stock market to these things.
I think these are people that never wrote Trump never

(01:53:11):
read Trump's book The Art of the Deal. This is
all in the deal.

Speaker 10 (01:53:17):
Yeah, these are people that are just afraid of the
way Trump operates. Trump though, he's focused on outcomes, not
focused on how I'm going to do this and how
I'm going to please. He focuses on on outcomes, so
he does what he has to do in order to
get the outcomes. And the same thing is going to

(01:53:41):
happen with the tiriffs. You have to focus on outcomes.
So everybody's ripping us off.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:53:49):
They bring their stuff in and we charge them a
couple of percent. We try to sell them our stuff,
and they charge outrageous amounts. My wife's can so I
understand the logic up there. They have high tariffs on
American agriculture because they want to protect their farmers. That's
why they do that. But the thing is they're ridiculously high,

(01:54:13):
and it's not fairy. Want free trade, low tariffs will
do that. You have to do it too. So Canada
cannot afford for US to put a twenty five percent
tariff on everything they sell to us. It would knock
down their sales and likely put their economy in a recession.
Worse yet, they're reciprocating, which is going to cause them

(01:54:36):
to have some inflation. So they can't afford to have
this go through. They'll make some kind of deal. Mexico's
the same way. They can't afford this either. They'll make
some kind of deal. The European Union, which charges ridiculous taris,
particularly on agriculture, we charge two and a half, so

(01:54:56):
they're going to have to make a deal too, otherwise
it's going to clopper their economies. They depend so much
on selling to the US that those tariffs will kill them.
Except for the steel and aluminum. Those are two vital
products we have to make in the US. Why don't
we It's cheaper to make it somewhere else than it

(01:55:17):
is in the US, so we'll put a tariff on it,
be more expensive. We'll start our production up again. The
knock is, yeah, but we're paying more for steel, And
the answer is, you will be paying more for steel,
but it's American steel and it's for your security. So
Trump focuses on outcomes and the outcomes with these tariffs.

(01:55:40):
He just wants everybody to be fair the outcome of
these tariffs, and it's gonna you know it's a little
going to be some of the stock market's going to
go out, inflation might go up, somebody's going to talk
about recession. So there might be six months and a
little bit of turmoil. But once he gets this worked out,
once he gets the energy industry revenue up again, everything

(01:56:00):
will be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
I agree, doctor Michael Butsler. We want to thank you
for joining us here in the Conservative Commanders. Before you go,
please tell the audience how they can follow you and
read the things that you're right.

Speaker 10 (01:56:14):
Okay, So I write a weekly column and Newsmax on
their finance page. I publish it in my own medium,
So if you go to Medium, look for Michael Bustler.
I also have a substack, So if you go to substack,
look from Michael Butler. I have a Facebook page called
funding Democracy, so any of those, every one of my

(01:56:35):
columns are there. If you want to follow me, that'd
be great.

Speaker 1 (01:56:40):
Michael, thank you so much for joining us. We always
enjoyed having you here.

Speaker 10 (01:56:44):
Always my pleasure. Rick look forward to doing it again.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
I'm Rick Traded, my co host today. You share at
Angle and I want to remind you about our voice texts.
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(01:57:35):
as usual as always, not just usual as always. We
did have a couple of great guests here in Conservative commitments.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Well yes, and I you know, I made a declaration
here on our Conservative Commandos radio show about our first guest.
I said, I think Bobby Charles should be the next
governor of Maine. Robert Charles, who's also a spokesman for

(01:58:05):
the Association of Mature American Citizens AMAC, wrote a great
article as well as a great book. He wrote a
new book, Cherish America, Stories of Courage, Character and Kindness.
But this article was about public safety. Where are our leaders?
And he said that main is a prototype of lost

(01:58:29):
Democrat values. They value propaganda more than they value the
safety of their children. And so that's why I said,
can one person make a difference? He said absolutely. I
said can that person be the governor? He said yes,
And I said, then you should be the governor.

Speaker 7 (01:58:49):
Bobby Charles.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
So that's my declaration, our and our thanks to Bobby
Charles Robert Charles for coming on Conservative Commandos. Our second guest,
Michael Butler, who is a public policy analyst and the
professor of finance at Stockton University, wrote a great article

(01:59:12):
from Wokism to Nationalism. Corporations are changing strategies in the
Trump era, and he just talked almost exclusively about what
has happened in the last week since the inauguration to
corporate America. They've got their head on straight now and

(01:59:34):
they're starting to say whatever the customer wants, the customer
is always right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:42):
Hey, Sharon, I want to thank you for sitting in
as my coast. It's probably the highlight of my day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
But for right now, we got to wrap her up
because we are out of time. That means we got
to run and we got to go take care of
God bless and we'll see you tomorrow. Is going to
be on TV and on radio.

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
Mm, hmm,

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