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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, Welcome fellow poor bulls,
Welcome all you drakes, the Society of rock dwellers, sicos, stinkos,
mega Nazis, whatever the left call you, we welcome you here.
And this is the Conservative Commando's radio show. And I'm
Rick Trader coming to you from the Mike Pillas studios
to my store studios of the au N TV network

(00:28):
and joining me today as he does to the lead
off the week is the President and CEO of Frontiers
of Freedom, and that is George Landrath. And George, welcome back,
Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's great to be here. After all, this is the
place to be.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
George wanted to get your reaction to some news that broke.
Maybe it was Friday, maybe it was over the weekend
that Toulsi Gabbert has announced that the root, the root
of the Russian hoax debacle actually started in the office
of Barack Obama, and I wanted to get your reaction

(01:07):
to that news.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Well, and it's not just a theory that she's promoting.
She actually has whistleblowers and documents that prove it. And
I think that's what's very important. There's a lot of
evidence that suggests that the Obama administration worked with the
Hillary Clinton campaign early on to create the Russian collusion hoax,

(01:29):
hoping to help her win the election, and then when
it didn't work, then they doubled down on this and
they use their power because after you know, between the
a lot of these documents are between the election and
the inauguration, and what they say, for example, is they
they they lied de FISA judges, They got people like
John Brennan and Jim Clapper to lie and so forth,

(01:52):
and to be honest, I suspect that various others were
involved as well, but those are the names I've seen.
And the bottom line is apparently there's over one hundred
documents that detail and provide evidence of how this conspiracy
that was conducted by Barack Obama and directed by him,

(02:13):
was used to try to effectively prevent Donald Trump from
being able to serve as president. And you'll notice they
really worked hard to create an environment in which it
made it hard for him to be the president because
their goal was to use the power that they had
and use government to effectively tie him down and railroad him.

(02:35):
And so this is from the party who claims the
care about democracy, and yet he won the election. And
yet what were they doing. They were using systems, They
were abusing systems, violating the law, violing the Constitution in
an attempt to frustrate the will of the people. And
so this is how you know. Anything the left tells you,

(02:56):
you know that they're lying to you, and they're doing
it themselves. When they tell you that the right doesn't
care about democracy, what they're really admitting is that they
don't and that their goal is to destroy democracy. Now,
we're a democratic republic, not just a democracy. But the
reality is there's a democratic element to our system. And

(03:17):
what I mean by that is we have elections and
then of course we have limits on what the majority
can do. So we don't vote on enalilable rights like
free speech, freedom of religion, do process, the right to property,
to own a gun, et cetera. Those kind you know,
those are things that they the Constitution makes clear. Nope,

(03:38):
we ain't voting on that. Those are naliable rights. But
we do vote in all kinds of things. And the
left does not support that. What they want is a
system where they can cheat and make your vote. Don't count.
An example be that's why they want illegals to vote,
because they if they can get twenty million illegals to vote,
then they can counteract twenty million Americans take their right

(04:00):
from them and have their vote not count. And so
this is just to me very revealing but not shocking,
because there's been some hints of this for a while now,
and now we're just getting all the evidence. So it's
no longer a theory. It's no longer I bet you
that's what's happened. It's like, nope, we actually now have

(04:20):
the proof. And I think the FISA judges that were
involved they have to be removed from office. They need
to be impeached because they at some point had to
know that they're being lied to, because the evidence wasn't there,
and at some point they didn't care and they just
kept on playing the game. And a judge can be

(04:41):
if a judge is lied to and therefore makes a
decision that's incorrect, that's one thing. But once the judge
becomes aware that they've been lied to, they ought to
hold the people who did the line to them to account.
They actually have that power. If, for example, if as
an attorney, if I were lying to a judge found
out I was lying to him after the fact, I'd

(05:02):
be in big trouble. I'd end up serving time in jail,
and it would be at his order and his failure
to do that once he knows I've lied to him
in this theoretical because I've not done that. But the
bottom line is would mean he's in on the He's
in on the lie. And so we have to go
after these people, whether it's Brennan or Clapper, the Faiza judges,

(05:23):
of course Obama, other people at the paperwork shows. I
think it's time for these people to actually serve time.
And what we can remind everyone when they get you
can't arrest him. It's like he's a former president. Let's see,
how many times did you arrest a former president? And
how many times did you just make up stuff that
you didn't actually have evidence for. We're not making stuff up.

(05:44):
There's actual evidence here. And how many times are we
told that nobody's above the law.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I guess brock is though, George, I got to ask
you again, as you say, you're an attorney, You've run
a thing tank down at Washington, DC. You a constitutional law.
Uh you I know this just broke and you haven't
been downtown yet, But I mean that by downtown into
d C. But let's let's take this a little forward,

(06:14):
all right. Uh. You mentioned impeach judges, you mentioned arrest
individuals like Clapper Comi, and you even mentioned the name Obama. George,
how far can this go? How far up the food
chain can this go?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
And I know Obama is a is a former president.
Can you impeach a former president? Yeah, well they've done that,
all right, they've done that. Can they arrest our president?
As you mentioned, as you remind us, yes, they have
done that. But but George is is Barack Obama and
intouchable because he was the first black president? Is is

(06:56):
Barack Obama intouchable because? Oh, people believe that he should
be on Mount Rushmore? I mean, George, seriously, how far
can this go?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Well, that's a very interesting question because legally or constitutionally,
it doesn't matter what color his skin is. We don't
make decisions based on skin color. But at the same time,
what you're getting at is the political question, which is politically,
is there just isn't hard to hold him?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Well, I'm asking politically, I'm asking legally I mean, like,
what what is the crime here? Where? What would you
call this crime? Is it a crime?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It's definitely a crime.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well, you know, Barack Obama has interfered in elections before,
and that was in Israel when he ran a campaign
against bb Net and Yahoo. This was this was when
Barack Obama was in the White House, So he has
he has participated in election interference before.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah, does not believe in democracy. And they are lying
sacks of running fecal matter when they pretend that they
care because he didn't care. He's we now have it
on record twice, both in Israel and in the US.
He's worked to frustrate democracy. But it's a constitutional violation.

(08:21):
It's also a legal violation, so I think he has
to be held accountable. And to be honest, it's probably
even counts as treason because if we have an example
would be if you were to work to undermine an
election that's already taken place. I mean, for example, when
you're running for office, you obviously run against your opponent

(08:46):
and that's not treasoness. But an example would be if
once the election is over, you work to use the
system to change the election outcome, then you are engaged
in something that violates our principles of self government, the
constitutional rights of millions of Americans who voted, and it

(09:07):
is a crime to violate the constitutional rights of people.
That actually is a crime. For example, during the Civil
Rights Movement, there were people who were put in prison
because they violated the constitutional rights of certain people. You know,
they didn't seem to care about constitutional rights, and so

(09:27):
they were treated as criminals because they were. So no
reason to treat this one any different. And his skin
color ought not matter to us. What ought to matters
to facts, And so we'll see what happens. But I
think that you make a very good point that legally
it shouldn't matter, but politically it could. There may be
a ton of people who just say, yeah, I don't

(09:48):
want to touch this one. But the reality is we
have been told for the last eight years that nobody's
above the law. So the question is are they lying
to us? Is Barack Obama the law? It shouldn't be,
It ought to be that we've been told many times
that nobody's above the law.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Well, George, you know what the left is going to say.
The left is going to say, this is just Donald
Trump pulling a revenge on his opponents because it was
done to him. He's going to that's I can hear
the left already. This is just revenge. There's really nothing there.
It's just Donald Trump's revenge. And I think we're getting into, George,

(10:28):
We're getting into a cycle of lawfare. Certainly we saw
it with Donald Trump. Now the left is going to
say that Donald Trump is doing it on Barack Obama,
Joe o'biden, Democrat administrations. There's going to be a time
when there's going to be a Democrat administration. I hate
to think of it, but chances are that's going to happen,
hopefully not in my lifetime. But where does this all end, George, Seriously,

(10:55):
where does this all end when you've got when you've
got administrations, previous administrations and using the law to fight
to beat up on their opponents.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well, I think the real evidence here will be is
if there's very little strong evidence against Barack Obama, then
they probably should not proceed because then it starts looking
like lawfare as it did with Donald Trump, where they
just made crop up and made claims and none of
it was serious and you didn't have to be a
really sophisticated attorney to understand the evidence.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's going to have to be strong to take to
the American people. It's going to have it's going to
have to be solid clad evidence. You know, in Georgie
is in the past year and conservative commanders I've says,
indict them and then look for the crime. Now, I
wasn't necessarily talking about about Barack Obama. I'm talking about
the people that are surrounding Joe of Biden. I say,

(11:53):
indict him, then look for the crime, using that as
a tool to get them to flip to find out
who is really in charge of the auto pen in
the Obama's administration. But if you go too, regardless of
what the Democrats have done in the past, when you
go to indicting and trying a former president like Barack Obama,

(12:14):
I think unless you have solid evidence, solid evidence that
you can prove to the American people that this is
going to that there's going to be a backlash on Republicans.
How do you fight that? George, Maybe you want to
take that in our next segment, because we are running
out of time. A little bit of teas there and

(12:35):
we will we'll take it up in our next segment,
and this is the Conservative Commandos with George Landreth, I'mrich Trader,
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Command As
the Radio show with George Slandert, Then yours truly, Rick Trader,
come it to you from the My Pillar Studios and
My Store studios of the a U n TV network. Hey, George,
getting back to this, so many times if you watched
a football game, either on TV or in person, or
a hockey game, either in TV or in person, and

(16:09):
a guy takes a punch and the guy who who
is the receiver of the punch retaliates and punchback. How
many times have you seen the guy who retaliated get
the penalty and the guy who initiated the fight got
all scott free. And what I'm concerned about, George, when
we talk about all right, going after Barack Obama and

(16:32):
come in and all those others, that it's going to
be the the American people are going to be on
the side of the Democrats even though they took the
first punch against the Republicans. How can Republicans fight fight back.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
On this, George, Well, I think it's going to be
based on facts and information, meaning that if it is
somewhat questionable, then I think it probably opens up to
the argument, oh see, it's just him trying to get even.
But I think an example would be, you know, if
Barack Obama or to rob a bank and you had
video of them going in the bank and robbing it,

(17:09):
it'd be hard to argue that with that kind of
evidence that, oh, how dare you try to accuse him
of robbing a bank? I think most people would be like, oh, well,
I watched the video and yeah, he robbed a bank.
And there's sixteen eyewitnesses who said it was Barack Obama
who robbed the bank, and his DNA was on the
note that he passed the teller saying you know, give
me all your money and all this other stuff, and

(17:31):
you go, okay, yep, that's for sure. On the other hand,
if it was just somebody saying I think I saw
him rob a bank one time, that might not be
enough evidence. It might be enough evidence to put you
or I in jail, but it wouldn't be enough evidence
to put a former president in jail. But the more
the left tells you that no one's above the law,
the more you know they're lying. Because for them, people

(17:51):
like Adam Schiffer above the law, people like Barack Obama
above the law, and then basically everybody they politically disagree
with is below the law. And so Republicans, I think
I have to understand that's the way it's played, and
therefore they have to work hard to make sure that
we have good evidence and I would only pursue this
if the evidence was quite strong and hard to ignore.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
George, I want to change gears from him, and only
because you brought up his name, Adam Shift. Adam Shift
has now been accused of mortgage fraud and got a
question for you. He's been accused of vote of mortgage fraud.
Why because he has a house in Potomac, Maryland that

(18:34):
to get a better tax rate, declare it as his
primary residence. However, there's a little sticky wicket here, George,
that he is a senator from California. He's a senator
from California, but yet on a mortgage application he said
this house in Potomac, Maryland was his primary residence. So, George,

(18:55):
my question for you, is it mortgage fraud? Where is
an election fraud? Because if it's mortgage fraud, if he
declared that this sum in Potomac, Maryland was his primary residence,
but isn't it election fraud if he ran for senator
or he was a congressman a California. Now he's a

(19:18):
senator from California, but really his residence is in Maryland, George?
Or is it both?

Speaker 2 (19:25):
That's an interesting question. I guess it could. It's one
or the other. But I would argue that you know, people,
like an example would be what's your residence? And like
when I was a student in another state, I was
not a resident of that state, even though I lived
in that state, And that's because of the term residence
means that you live there currently and it is your

(19:46):
intention to live there permanently. Doesn't mean you couldn't move later.
It just means that that's where you're at. So like
when you're on vacation, you're not a resident of the
place you're on vacation in why because at the end
of the week, you're planning going home, and if you're
in college, at the end of the semester, you're going home,
and you know those kinds of things. And so as
a senator, obviously you're going to have a home somewhere,

(20:08):
either in northern Virginia or outside of DC and Maryland too.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But he declared it as his primary residence.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Right, And that's the problem is it's just not because
in order to have in order to be a senator
from a state or a representative from the state, you
actually have to have a home in your district or
in your state, and that's your primary residence, and that's
the place you intend to be the rest of your life.
Whereas right now you're just in Maryland or Virginia or

(20:35):
in d C. During your term of office. Your intention
of living there isn't permanent in forever, and that's why
you're not a citizen of the place. That's why he
can't vote, for example, in Maryland, or if he lived
in Virginia and Virginia or in DC. But he can
live there, but it's not his actual residence. But he

(20:55):
lied about that because it gave him a financial benefit.
The funny thing is, he's done lots of other things,
even more clearly illegal, the sorts of things for which
he should suffer criminal penalties, but this is one of them.
What's interesting, though, is since the Left has been using
this to claim that remember how they had certain claims

(21:16):
against Donald Trump that involved him borrowing money based on
real estate, not his home, but based on real estate,
and they claimed that he was committing fraud and so forth,
even though the bank that he borrowed the money from
didn't think so and got paid back every dime plus
interest in a timely fashion. And yet they still acted like,
you know, oh this was fraudulent, but he wasn't getting

(21:38):
a better deal because of anything he claimed.

Speaker 10 (21:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
So this is an interesting kind of dilemma for the
left is they've spent their time saying this is legit,
we can do this, but I can guarantee you with
adam shift. They'll pretend it's outrageous.

Speaker 6 (21:54):
How dare you do that?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
And again it just shows you how phenomenally dis honest
the left is. They are lying sacks of rotting fecal
matter twice in.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
The first half hour show. Well, Cheurchy, it's this this vote.
This mortgage fraud scheme or scam seems to be a
Democrat addiction because you got Leticia James, the Attorney general
in New York, who's been accused of the basically the
same thing, mortgage fraud. And yet it's interesting, it's interesting

(22:30):
that that is the claim she brought against Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Well, that's the thing is I think that anytime they
claim when a leftist tells you something, they're doing it.
So when they accused Donald Trump of mortgage fraud, and
all that really was was a an admission they are
engaged in mortgage fraud. What we see over and over again,
kind of like Russian collusion. Yeah, yeah, he'll came up

(22:58):
with that one.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
George. Here I go again, shifting gears. But I want
to shift back into our first gear, thinking that we're
talking about about the Russian collusion. You know, there were
a lot of people that were hurt really badly through
this Russian collusion mass. One of these individuals was a
friend of mine by name of jad Minir JD Not JD.

(23:23):
JD Gordon not JD Minnair JD Gordon, JD. Gordon former
commander in the neighbor a Navy, wasn't an advisor to
the First Drop administration. Was at a meeting one time
and had words with the Russian ambassador. Hello, how are

(23:45):
you nice to see you? Type words. There was nothing
discussed there, just pleasantries. He was drug into this Russian hoax.
He had to spend a lot of money to differ.
He was never even charged with anything, but he was implicated,

(24:06):
and because he was implicated, he had to defend himself.
He lost a lot. Does he now have grounds to
soothe the people who perpetrated this Russia Gate fraud?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I think he clearly does.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And it wasn't just shitty. There were several people, several
people around Donald Trump who were accused of colluding with.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
The Russians, right, and they probably spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars. They did defend themselves against false charges, made
up charges. And so you can go after the prosecutors,
you can go after the federal government. Anybody who was
in an evidence will show and I would argue that's
where they should be suing personally. And I don't want

(24:48):
the federal government to have to pay for this, because
that's the taxpayer. I want the people who violated their
oath of office, who misused their authority to pay the price.
The example be people in the Justice Department. They should
pay personally there was they should lose.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Their Homema can lose one of his homes. Well, usually
when people sue a public official, it's the government that
that backs them, isn't it, George.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, it could be, but but I think an example
would be let's assume that you're a member of Congress,
and that an example be You're right, what's happened is
members of Congress that raped people or sexually assaulted people.
Guess who paid for settlement agreements to silence them so
they wouldn't go public with it. And it was you
know who was that. There was lots of Democrats who've

(25:38):
done that for example, and we paid for it. There
was a slush fund. But that's not how it should work.
Should happen is we should now we know who did it,
we should they should have to repay the government, and
there was put that money back into the government offers
so that we can use it to pay down the
debt and so forth, and it should come out of

(26:00):
their retirement, it should come out force them to sell
their home. Whatever. It's just they don't have the right
to steal from taxpayers and get away with it just
because they were in public office. They committed acts that
they were responsible for, and then they basically passed the
bill on to us, and there's no reason for that
to happen. On the other hand, an example would be

(26:23):
if a policeman is doing his job. An example would
be some guys driving down the road speeding and his
and he pulls them over because his radar gun told
him the guy was doing eighty five and a forty
five min hours thing. And let's say it turns out
that the radar gun was malfunctioning because it was broken.

(26:44):
I'm not sure the policeman should have to pay the
price for that because he didn't really do anything wrong.
It just, you know, an honest mistake was made. That's different.
But an honest mistake is made, then we don't have
to charge the person. But when they're fraudulent. For example,
let's assume the policeman adjusted the thing so it said
that you were doing forty over but you weren't, and

(27:06):
he knew it and that was part of his game plan,
then yes, he should be liable personally and it should
come out of his personal financial hide to pay that back.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
George, I got to ask you this question, and of
course that means over run a couple of minutes over
in this segment. But I think it's important right now
for me to ask you, George, look into your crystal ball.
What's the outcome.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Well, that's a very interesting question. My crystal ball. I
don't know how good my crystal ball is, but I
will tell you I suspect that the evidence will be
very strong that was Barack Obama and that he was
involved and he was behind it all and he worked
in coordination with Hillary to determine the outcome of an
election through lies and cheating. But the question I think

(27:51):
that I have. I think the evidence will be strong.
But I also think that there's this concern of, well,
but we don't want to go after the first black president,
and I think that could be in fact a final
kind of viewpoint. And I don't agree that we need
to look at skin color to make those decisions. I
think what we ought to do is just look at

(28:12):
the facts, and there was We ought to be color blind.
We ought to basically just ask ourselves, we believe in
the rule of law, did he do this or did
he not do this. If he did not do this,
then let's not play politics. But if he did do this,
then he's responsible. Let's do something about it.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
And first of all, the race spaders are going to say,
it's only because he's a black man. With it, George,
we do need to take a break. And you are
listening to and watching the Conservative Commandos. My cost today
is George Landreth and George is the president and CEO
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(28:49):
the AUN TV Network. Go nowhere, George, and I'll be
back with more news and commentary right after this break.

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out there who's listening or watching that this show is

(32:58):
being recorded on Monday afternoon. That would be July twenty first.
But what was it fifty six years ago? Yesterday? Something
happened George that a lot of people dreamed about, a
lot of people said would never happen. I think it
was miraculous considering that day and age, and just a

(33:19):
few short years after, John Kennedy said, within this decade,
we will go. We will send men to the Moon
and return them safely. And that's exactly what happened. George.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Oh yeah, no, It's very amazing, kind of a little
bit of history. And I suspect people who are at
least obviously, if you weren't alive in nineteen sixty nine,
you don't remember. But people who were alive on July twentieth,
nineteen sixty nine probably remember watching the Apollo eleven lunar
module land on the surface of the Moon and Neil

(33:54):
Armstrong and then shortly out thereafter buzz Aldron descending a
ladder and walking on the Moon, and of course the
famous line that Neil Armstrong said after making a step
or two, he said, that's one small step for a man,
one giant leap for mankind. And I think to myself,

(34:15):
that's pretty amazing. And the Moon doesn't look that far away.
But yet the flight took off on July sixteenth, so
basically that means it took them about four days to
get from Cape Canaveral to the surface of the Moon.
And it's just, you know, obviously not an easy thing

(34:35):
to break the feel the pull of gravity of the
Earth and then end up on the Moon and then
safely return home again. And yet they did had an
American flag on the surface of the moon Georgia.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
I find that all so miraculous because you know, it
was in in nineteen oh three that the Wright brothers
first flew the third longest flight. That day, their shortest
flight was one hundred and twelve feet or twenty feet
twenty feet there long was a little over eight hundred feet.
I think it's miraculous that within that sixty six year

(35:09):
period we had such advances in aviation and in space
that that miraculous event could take place. It's I think
it's an example.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you were there watching the Right Brothers and you said,
I bet you in sixty some years walking on the moon,
people said you're drunk, man, what have you been drinking?
But yet guess what, that's what actually happened.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, and Georgia, you know that you mentioned that. It's
very interesting that you mentioned it. I bet there were
people who did see men laying on the moon in
nineteen sixty nine who were living in nineteen oh three
when the Right Brothers made their first life Something interesting
about the Right Brothers flight. After the Right Brothers were
successful at Kiddie Hawk December third, nineteen oh three, they

(35:56):
didn't fly again for another five years, and the reason
for that is they were afraid somebody would steal their
ideas before they could get it patent. And it wasn't
until there was a lot of speculation that they didn't
make the first flight. Those flights never took place that
they had to then again prove that their aeronautic engineering

(36:20):
design and machine could fly again. They're five years after
Kitty Hawk they made no flights, so it just within
this short window, short window you go from Kitty Hawk
to the Moon, and I think it's miraculous. Jeorsea. We've
had forty seven presidents now, but only twelve men have
ever been on the surface of the Moon, and I

(36:42):
think that is amazing. I think there's only one or
two of them still left ly living. I think it's
a crime and a shame that we haven't been back
since the nineteen seventies. You know, that quantum leap, that
quantum leap from Kittie Hawk to the Moon, and since

(37:02):
then we've really not achieved anything in space.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, it certainly not deep space, because you know, we
have a space station, but it's basically just orbiting around
the Earth. It's just barely kind of outside the atmosphere
and so forth. It's not deep space. But going to
the Moon is a very different thing. Like one of
the challenges is you have to come back in the
right way, because if you don't, you could bounce off
the atmosphere and head back into space, or you if

(37:28):
you come in the wrong angle, you could also burn up.
You've got a if you will, a small window there.
Because it's complicated, it's not easy to return and yet
they managed to do that. And it's interesting because there
was in fact some concern when Apollo eleven took off
and was going to the Moon that there's the possibility

(37:49):
they wouldn't make it back home. There was the possibility
that they might make it to the surface of the
Moon and then not be able to get off the
surface of the Moon and they would die on the moon.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, I think Challenger and all So Columbia show how
gradual space travel really is. And George, people look at
the astronauts as the heroes, but there are a lot
of other heroes. Like about six months ago, you told
us about a movie. I think the name of the
movie was Perfect Figures. Yeah, Hidden Figures, Hidden Figures, Hidden

(38:19):
Figures about and it was about what was the three
women who worked at NASA who did the mathematical equations
to get them into the moon. So, and you know,
they were just three of the heroes. And I mean
there were many, many, many heroes. I'm sure just about
everyone's probably seen the movie Apollo thirteen. And of course

(38:42):
those three astronauts who made that journey were looked upon
as heroes as they were, but there were a lot
of heroes back here on Earth, getting them back here
on Earth. I mean, our space program at that time,
during those days such such a treasure, something that all

(39:03):
Americans could be proud of it. And those were the
days of the Vietnam War, when there are not a
lot of other good things happening in this country, but
our suppose I think our space program at the time
was the shining jewel of our nation.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, I think you're right it was. It was an
important element because it demonstrated the power of America's free
market system. Because while NASA was very much involved in
the process, NASA didn't actually build all this stuff. They
hired American companies to build the rockets, to build the

(39:42):
lunar landers and the various different things. And while NASA
oversaw all of that, the reality is it was a private,
public effort that was very, very complex, and I think
it showed the value of the American system where a
free market in a as part of our success.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Well, George, I'm always amazed by by what was accomplished
during those times. And as I say, and I say again,
my my thing is is that it hasn't happened since
that time. And you know, I think of the a
lot easier today, George. I don't know if you've ever
been to Kennedy Space Center, but the rocket that they

(40:28):
used was a Saturn five B rocket. There was supposed
to be another mission that was never launched, and that
rocket is still at at Cape Kennedy, and it is
a massive, massive beast over football field long. Those engines
are so huge it would be an easy it would

(40:52):
be easy for man as tall as you, George, to
stand in the in the nozzle those engines, you know,
looking at the plumbing, at those engines, and to think
that this technology, George, this technology is seventy years old,
seventy year old technology that I'm sure the technology today

(41:16):
would surely be a lot better than the technology at
that time. You know, you even today have have people
going into space who were space vacationers, space tourist and
that maybe by the end of my lifetime, I'm going
to see a day when more and more people get

(41:37):
to experience living in space, people like you were me, George,
the average citizen, at least if you had enough money.
So I've always been so intrigued and so and thought
by anything that flies, and and George, I've had an
opportunity to meet some astronauts like John Glenn, like Gordon

(42:01):
Cooper who were part of the original Mercury's Seventh program.
I've met the I've met two of the three astronauts
that were on the Apollo eleven mission, and George. I've
met other astronauts. And what always amazes me these people
are superman. They're average people like you and you and me,

(42:27):
average people that have done extraordinarily unusual things in their lives,
much the same as the veterans. And I'm sure you've
met veterans. I've met veterans that have been in wars,
and these again were just average guys that did extraordinary

(42:49):
things in their lifetime when called upon, And it just goes,
in my opinion, it goes to show once again what
a wonderful place this is. Oh yeah, that this is
the greatest country ever created on God's blue green planet.
That we've had people that were able to achieve these

(43:12):
extraordinary things, from the Right Brothers to the Moon.

Speaker 10 (43:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Also to consider the fact that the Right Brothers did
what they did between their first flight and landing the
Moon was sixty two sixty three years and it's now
been fifty six years since we land on the Moon.
So I think you're right about the growth and technology.
For example, the computer technology would probably help a lot
because and the artificial intelligence would help a lot, so
that you'd have less at risk.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
George, what I'm chuckling about is the computer that controlled
the moon missions was the equivalent to forty six. Yeah,
that has been obsolete for what thirty years? Maybe I
don't know, George, but it just amazes me that you
your smart watch probably has more capability on it than

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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos with
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(48:11):
on The Conservative Commandos, So don't go away, stay tuned
for those interviews right after this segment. George, poles are
always interesting to me. They're like the standings of the
Major League Baseball or the NFL. They really don't mean
anything till the last day of the season or till

(48:35):
the last game of the season is over. But they're
still interesting. And there's some polls coming out that showing
that Democrats may be in trouble.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Well, yeah, I think I saw an interesting poll that
said are getting to the point where about half of
America sees the Democratic Party as being just too radical.
When they were asked the question do you see the
party as being too radical? And guess what they said, yes,
we do, and that what it was interesting was even

(49:06):
a ton of Democrats felt that way. It's roughly about
half the America saw them that way. And then what's
interesting then is is a large number of people said,
well maybe, so I'm not sure that sounds kind of
interesting because I think generally speaking throughout history, if in
nineteen sixty five, or we'll say nineteen sixty two, when

(49:28):
John F. Kennedy was president, if you had asked the
average American is John F. Kennedy and his presidency? Is
it just radically out of control? Are they just a
bunch of crazy whack jobs? I bet you wouldn't have
even had a majority of Republicans who would have said that.
They would have said, no, he's you know. I mean,
I don't essily, I didn't vote for him. I don't

(49:48):
slay Gruth want everything. But he's rational. And so we've
gotten to a point where the Democratic Party like they're
running they're running a communist to be the the mayor
of New York City, and they ran a communist to
be the mayor of Chicago, and we already see what
it's done to Chicago and the damage it's done. So

(50:09):
the question is when the American public sees this, well,
they just say enough's enough, Because I think Americans are
kind of practical. They're not all just partisans. They may
have part of some views, but the reality is historically
they've tended to vote on practical basis, like based on
their pocketbook, and so if a party's been doing damage

(50:33):
to their pocketbook, they'll vote the other party because they're practical.
And so I think that the Democratic Party has a
real problem here because instead of being rational, there, for example,
more interested in protecting illegal aliens than they are and
protecting American citizens. How nutty is that. An example would
be they didn't care about due process when it came

(50:57):
to people being jailed and held without bail and so
forth on January sixth, some of whom were only guilty
of taking photographs of themselves and their family in the Capitol.
You're thinking yourself, and you spend two three years in
jail for that. But now, all of a sudden, if
you're an illegal alien who's committed acts of violence, you

(51:19):
can't be sent back to the country you came from
because that's a violation of your constitutional rights. It's just like, Okay,
tell me you're insane, without using the word insane in
the sentence. Guess what they win. They've done it well.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
George. I think when you look at the big cities
and the big city mayors, I think so many, so
many of them are out of touch. You mentioned that
they're that the leading candidate for mayor in New York
City is a communist. You mentioned the mayor of Chicago
being a communist. You look at Karen Batis and Los Angeles.
You look at the mayor in Denver, they're all out

(51:56):
of touch, the mayor wu in Boston, they're all out
of touch. That to promote a political agenda, they're putting
their citizens at risk. They're challenging, they're threatening Ice Agency again,
as you say, are trying to get really really bad
guys off the streets of their city. So they're willing

(52:17):
to They're willing to sacrifice their residents to promote their
political agenda. And as you said earlier, the whole idea is,
get these people in here, get them voting, keep the
Democrats in the position where they can never be defeated.
In California, there are so many illegal immigrants that are

(52:40):
counted in the census that California probably has as many
as five congressional seats and five electoral votes that they
shouldn't have because of the of counting non citizens in
the census. That's not just how opening in California. It's

(53:01):
happening in all the Blue states. It's happening in New Jersey,
in Massachusetts, in Connecticut, it's happening in Michigan, it's happening
in Wisconsin. That the whole idea of this influx of
illegal immigration is to change the country forever, to radicalize

(53:24):
this country forever. I don't know, Georgie, you think this
guy Mondani in New York is so radical, is so communist,
that finally it's going to wake the American people up
and said this is not what we want this is
not what we want in America. We want freedom and opportunity,

(53:46):
not being controlled by the government with their free things.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Well, I think that's a very real possibility because I
feel like over time, the average American may just go
WHOA this is? To Natti, I you know, it'll be
to see because I feel like if he were, you know,
like Eric Adams is. You know, he's certainly left of center.
He's a Democrat, but he's not a Communist, so he

(54:12):
would be a different candidate. I think it might be
harder to be someone like him, or even Andrew Cuomo.
Not that I'm a big fan of his either, he
was an awful governor. And all I'm really saying, though,
is they don't run around acting like their Communists and
so forth, and so that would make it easier for
the Democrats to hide who they are and what their

(54:33):
agenda is. But I think this guy is going to
make it very hard to hide the fact that he
is literally a communist. If you look at what he believes,
if you look at what he's talked about, he's absolutely
a Marxist. He is not simply have socialist leanings. He's
a Marxist and he has totalitarian leanings, because that's what

(54:56):
Marxism is about. And so anyhow, I'd be really bad
news for America, not just the city of New York City,
because in example, Gavin Newsom's done damage to America. He
hasn't just done damage to California. While California has been
damaged tremendously by his horrible leadership, it's not as if
it hasn't had a spillover effect to impact other parts

(55:17):
of America. And I think the same thing will happen,
you know, with Chicago. You know, the problems they have
in Chicago are not merely for Chicago. It expands there.
It's kind of like a disease. When there's a problem
with a disease spreading, it's wherever it starts. It may
be the biggest problem there, but it will eventually spread

(55:37):
and do a lot of damage. And that's what I
would argue. Leftism is a disease. It's a political disease
that destroys freedom and opportunity for all.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Well, George, we're seeing it in other places. In Minneapolis,
they got a guy who is a Somali refugee who
is running from mayor who again is talking like in Mundani. Yeah,
it really is. It's you know, you talk about the
Democrat Party being out of touch. I'm thinking that the
big cities of America are totally out of touch and

(56:10):
they're proving it by electing these people's You've got AOC
that represents a part of New York. If you and Omar,
who represents a part of Minneapolis, Saint Paul, you've got
to leave it represents a part of Detroit. So it's like,
not only is a Democrat Party out of touch, a

(56:31):
lot of big cities in America are totally out of touch.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Yeah, that's a good point, and that's i think another
example of why our founding fathers wanted to make sure
that we had the Electoral College, because they didn't want
to just allow a bunch of big cities to get
together and ram down the rest of the country's throat stuff.
They wanted to force this to be much more moderated.
And so the Electoral College is designed to make sure

(56:57):
that New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, Baltimore, and
you know, other big cities detroitit, you know, can't just
all get together and then force America into political decline
and into a totalitarian state. And so that's the wisdom
of our founders was they recognize the need to make

(57:17):
sure that we had a very broad map for how
we pick our national leader, the president.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Well, George's one of the reasons why I hate the
word democracy, especially when it's referred to the to the
United States of America. The United States of America is
not a democracy. It's a constitutional republic. And I think
we have to keep reminding people that we are a
republic of laws and that in our Constitution, in our Declaration,

(57:47):
the word democracy is used zero times zero times.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yeah, think of that all looking form of government, not
referring to the party, but to the concept of having
a constitution with a government that has limited power so
that it can't take away your freedoms just because people
vote on It is used with the constitution guarantees. For example,
a state could not elect a king and decide to

(58:15):
go with a royal family to govern the state because
the Constitution guarantees that every state in the Union will
have a republican form of government, and they did. Again,
that was long before there was a Republican party. It
was referred to. But that's why the Republican party picked
that name was because they wanted to say where for
the ideas in the Constitution. Of course, they were against slavery,

(58:38):
and they felt like the ideas of the Constitution, you know,
in the Bill of Rights talking and of course the
Declaration of Independence. We hold these shoes to be self
evident that all men are created equal and endowed by
their creator, not by government, within the amiable rights. And
so I think it makes a big difference, and it's
why these things matter. And I wish that more Americans

(59:00):
would wake up and recognize these basic facts, because there
was a time when America agreed on basics. There was
not a debate. Can you imagine, for example, of someone
running for office talking about how free speech is a
bad idea, free speech is violence, free speech is dangerous.
Didn't used to be like that, but it is. Now

(59:21):
you have the crazy party known as the Democrats, and
then you have the mainstream party, which is the Republicans.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
All right, and with that, George, we do have to
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And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with George landerth and you're truly Rick Trader. Come
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Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Absolutely always happy to do it because we always have
the very best guests, and we've got Roger Aronoff here
to prove that he is the executive director and editor
of the Citizens Commission on National Security. National Security is
a pretty important issue because we live in a dangerous world,
and so he obviously works on that, and for example,
he founded the Citizens Commission on Benghazi, and he has

(01:03:26):
produced and directed six documentaries, and he also has produced
a weekly series on PBS called think Tank with Ben Wattenberg.
So he deals with these important issues all the time,
and we're really glad to have him be a part
of this discussion today because heaven knows, there's a lot
of important things happening in the world. So Roger, welcome

(01:03:47):
back to the Conservative Commando is very glad to have you.

Speaker 16 (01:03:49):
Thank you so much, George, great to be with you,
and Rick, as always.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I wanted to ask you about this question of it's
just kind of an odd thing because normally speaking, the
left is fairly loyal to their friends and allies, and
yet recently what we've seen is a real kind of
vicious attack on the sentimentnority leader Chuck Schumer, and what

(01:04:15):
was weird is that he basically saved the Democratic Party
from looking like morons and the people in their party
who are truly stupid, like AOC, you know, truly low IQ.
Individuals have been acting like he's the big problem in
America today and somehow, oh my gosh, the Democratic Party

(01:04:36):
has got this problem that people like Chuck Schumer. And
I'm thinking to myself, I'm not a big fan of
Chuck Schumer, so I'm not trying to argue in his behalf.
But this decision was not designed necessarily to promote Donald
Trump's agenda. Was basically just to make sure that he
and the Democrats didn't get blamed for shutting down the government,
which would not have necessarily been helpful to them. So

(01:04:56):
I want to ask you to help us kind of
wade through all this.

Speaker 16 (01:05:00):
Yes, I'm happy to and thank you. And yeah, I
know you're referring to my new column up on our
website ccnationalsecurity dot org. I encourage everyone to go to
check it out. We have some great people there. But
to answer your question, yes, Schumer faced a dilemma and

(01:05:21):
the first day he came up and he said, no,
we're not gonna provide the eight votes necessary to reach
sixty in the Senate to pass this continuing resolution that
the House just passed. We are gonna let the government
shut down, and it'll be on the Republicans for doing it,
for not negotiating with us. And then the next day,

(01:05:44):
after an apparent meeting where he was yelled at, based
on reports by New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, he caved
and he said, Okay, we're gonna go ahead and we
don't want to shut the government down. And as I
point out, there are different theories. One is to say
that he thought that the Democrats would be blamed for it.

(01:06:08):
My response to that is Democrats are never blamed for
it CNN New York Times. They will always find a
way to blame the Republicans and Trump. So I think
that was an unfounded reason, if that was his real reason.
But the problem is that Trump derangement syndrome is so

(01:06:29):
widespread and is so infected the media and the Democratic
Party that to even take a position that appears to
be giving Trump his way, letting him have his way,
is unacceptable. So not just the AOC and Bernie Sanders
and came out and condemned him for doing this. But again,

(01:06:52):
as I point out, they in the House had a
very easy vote because their vote they could vote against it,
and there was no chance that their vote was going
to make a difference. But Schumer was faced with we
either have to come up with eight votes to help
the Republicans get this through and avoid shutting the government down,

(01:07:13):
or you know, we're going to be blamed, or you know,
we need to show that we can work with them
in some way. But he was just so hammered in
the media and all these calls now for him to
step down as the leader of the party. It just
shows where they are. They're so divided, and I point

(01:07:34):
to a Paul that shows how how low their approval
ratings have fallen by over thirty points, almost forty points
from a year ago. That's Democrats approving the Democratic Party.
There's so much antipathy there, and so they're looking at

(01:07:55):
it as a situation that we want to move to
the left, you know theyo see Bernie, do we want
to show that we're more moderate? In other words, like
Gavin Newsom, you know, in his he started a podcast
and in his first interview, which was with Charlie Kirk,
he said, yes, this issue of men and women's sports

(01:08:16):
is an issue of fairness and we need to be
more sensitive to that. But the point is is by
doing that again, he got hammered, and he obviously has
presidential aspirations, so they're not sure which way to turn
and what to do, and Trump is just playing this masterfully,

(01:08:38):
I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, I think you're right about that. It's kind of
a weird thing that I see, like you point out
that the Democratic Party's popularity has dropped dramatically, and I'm
trying to figure out is it one or two issues
or dozens of issues. I have a feeling, at least
my theory is it might be lots of issues. An
example would be I would argue border security, the fact
that the Democrats for four years defended and protected and

(01:09:02):
made sure that literally millions of people were pouring across
their border every quarter and maybe in some cases every month,
and Americans are going, wait a minute, this is crazy.
Look at the crime in my neighborhood, look at all
the problems as have created, all those other things. They're saying,
this is stupid, and or maybe, like you said, it's

(01:09:22):
this whole concept of everything from the not being sure
what a man is or a woman is, or you
know that kind of just like, really, that's not that complicated.
That's not really You don't have to have a degree
in biology to be able to tell a woman from
a man and a man from a woman. But anyhow,
but other things as well, And so I just wanted

(01:09:43):
to ask you, do you think there's, if you will,
a wide variety of issues that the Democrats have just
gone far, far too left on and that Americans are
starting to go whoa, whoa, that's too much and.

Speaker 16 (01:09:55):
Yees, and Trump in these first two months in office
to show what can done. In other words, they after
that bill that James Langford had endorsed and pushed, which
would have allowed five thousand a day to keep coming in.
You know, when asked, Biden said, this is all we
can do without Congress joining in and coming up with

(01:10:19):
some kind of bipartisan solution. And yet Trump comes in
and within the first thirty days he shuts the border
down almost completely, with mainly by reversing the executive orders
that Biden had put in place when he came in.
So that's one. Then you have the issue of men
in women's sports, and you just see like the main governor,

(01:10:42):
she first said we'll see you in court, and then
they buckle and you know, these issues, they seem such
common sense issues that it's so obvious that men shouldn't
be competing in women's sports. So then it becomes the
definition of what you mean men, you mean trans women,

(01:11:02):
and so these things that like the border that issue,
and then you know, you look at what's happening with Russia,
Ukraine and in the Middle East, and all of a sudden,
after three years of this war and never even reaching
out to Russia to try to maybe see, is there
some basis to have a cease fire and then a

(01:11:25):
solution to this war. So they've stepped into doing all
these things that seem quite obvious now. But yet the
people are just so they can't accept anything that Trump
does as possibly being good, a good thing, or for
the right reason. So they're stuck in that dilemma. That's

(01:11:49):
the dilemma that I tried to capture in this article.

Speaker 10 (01:11:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
No, I think your articles are very good and I
would definitely recommend that our viewers and listeners look it
up because lots of really good points on One of
the points I think rays that was very interesting to
me was there's polling out right now about who among
the various Democratic leaders are leading, if you will, as
an early leader in the polls to be the twenty

(01:12:15):
twenty eight presidential candidate. And it kind of surprised me
that Kamala Harris apparently is leading, and I'm thinking, to myself,
she just lost and she was a joke of a candidate.
I'm thinking to myself, I think I could have not
that it would have been constitutionally acceptable, because you can't
be an eighteen year old and run for president. But
I could have gone to a local high school and
found an eighteen year old and with a months or

(01:12:37):
two of training, gotten them to where they could have
performed better on the campaign trail and on debates and
looked more like a serious candidate than she did. And
that's how bad a candidate she was. And it wasn't
just she had a bad day here or there. She's
been in office for a long time and consistently been
a complete idiot and constantly saying stupid things and speaking

(01:13:00):
in word salads. And so I'm trying to figure out
what is going on that they're not looking for someone else.
I mean, is there bench that week that she's the
best person they've got, Because I think, to myself, wow,
that means that they're in deep trouble.

Speaker 16 (01:13:17):
Well they are, and they have again that that pull
that you're referring to shows her leading the pack with
thirty six percent, in second place, Pete Bootage in second
place at ten percent, and below that AOC and a
number of others, you know, Elizabeth Warren. They throw in
Bernie I guess he's even still considered somebody. But the

(01:13:41):
point is is, yes, their benches that week, and I
think Gavin Newsom was the one who presumed to be
the candidate. But you know, with the situations going on
in California, I mean, they're just not sure which way
to turn. Do they go further or left? Do they
try to go more Trumpian? And he's not really right wing,

(01:14:05):
you know, I mean his policies are they're not taken
from the standard conservative playbook, you know, things like tariffs
and free trade and on a number of issues. But
they hate him so much that they branded as you know,
right wing, fascist, nazi, you know, the way they try

(01:14:29):
to label everything that he does, so you have that
issue with him. So yeah, they are. And if they
just start from debates and primaries, I don't think Kamala
is going to last. I mean, she could never sit
down in a real interview where they really challenge her

(01:14:50):
views and ask her these kind of questions. She will
never show up as being someone well informed able to
deal with these issues. And then the contrast is Trump
will sit there for whether it's three hours with Joe
Rogan or he's where he has all the press in
while he's signing executive orders, taking questions for an hour

(01:15:12):
and a half, and he lets all of his people
go out there, Pam Bondi and Musk and all of
them can just take questions from the press because they
have nothing to hide, you know, which is kind of
what was going on before. They couldn't really reveal their
true positions to the media, so they stayed away from them.

(01:15:34):
And you know what Biden was in office and Kamala.
So that's such a becoming obvious contrast between the two
parties today is the complete transparency of Trump, whether you
like him or not or the way he puts things.
He's out there and he'll take questions and it's not
just from Fox News or Real America's Voice. He'll take

(01:15:57):
him from anybody and everybody us And so you get
it and you get to see his thinking in real time.
It's just right there for you. And so that that's
the choice what we're faced with today. I mean, he
is he has shown such transparency and uh and I

(01:16:18):
think most people are happy with his issues and the
way he fights back against issues like men and women's sports,
and you know, the various other issues, the energy issue
and how we're trying to you know, taxation and regulation
and all these things, and then of course digging into

(01:16:41):
with DOGE and all the fraud and you know, the
Stacy Abrams two billion dollars project for mngos that you're finding.
Just today in their cabinet meeting, they went through a
whole list of of these new contracts that they've found

(01:17:02):
with mgos and others that are just obvious fraud and
things that are so ridiculous that we would ever give
grants for it for millions of dollars and hundreds of
thousands of dollars to look into, you know, various issues
to do with transgender and DEI and all that. So

(01:17:23):
it's it's quite an amazing time. And I just came
back from Seapack and it was quite a celebration of
this whole change in what our government has become.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Indeed, that's a very good point, and that's a great
place for us to take a quick break. So folks,
don't go away because the Conservative commandos with Rick Trader
and George Landreth and our guest Roger Aronoff, will be
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And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
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A very good friend, Roger Aronoff is our guest segment.

(01:21:03):
He's the executive director of the Citizens Committee on Nationals
or the Citizens Commission on National Security. He also co
founded the Citizens Committee on Benghazi. Hey, Roger, thank you
for holding through that break. We appreciate your time and appreciate.

Speaker 16 (01:21:21):
You being with us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Roger. I just think that what we're seeing now in
history is absolutely astonishing. Everything that's transpired over the last
four years. I mean, here you've got You've got all
the investigations, indictments, impeachments, trials, mugshots, Donald Trump rallying to

(01:21:50):
win every battleground state, increasing gains in the Senate. And
now what we're seeing during the first two months of
his administration, I've never I've never seen anything like it,
have you, Roger.

Speaker 16 (01:22:08):
No, It's it's amazing because they have thrown everything at him,
starting in his first administration, from the Russia Gate oaks
to all of the two impeachments, and then since he's
been out of office, since he announced again in twenty
twenty two he was running, then they started up just

(01:22:31):
unprecedented law fair against him in every one of those cases.
And I've linked to them because I've written about him
in the past. How each one was really orchestrated by
the White House. I'm talking about the John Wand.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
To ask you about that for it was it orchestrated
by the White House?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
I E.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Joe o'biden or was it instigated by his auto pen crew.
I'm serious, Roger. You know what we're hearing now about
the auto pen And we've seen evidence how the signatures
on so many of these executive orders coming from Joe
o'biden match exactly to each other, exactly to each other.

(01:23:17):
Something was who knows if Joe Biden knew those executive
actions were quote unquote signed by him and put in law,
or it was his autopen gang. And who's to say
his autopen gang wasn't responsible for a lot of the
things we're talking about.

Speaker 16 (01:23:37):
Well, I think very likely. So, I mean, I think
that's the whole point of Biden is that they pretended
that this guy was reading national security briefings every day
and making big decisions. But every time you'd see him
up in front of an audience, he obviously couldn't put
together two sentences and he really didn't know what was

(01:23:59):
going on, And so you had a lot of examples
of that that he didn't even know what orders had
been signed. I mean, we've been hearing those sort of things.
But yeah, but then the point is, like Fanny Willis,
the Rico case out of Georgia, I mean the guy
she Nathan Wade, who she had just assigned to that case,

(01:24:24):
spent two full days in the White House before they
really came out with this whole Rico case.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Do you think he spent two full days with Joe o'biden.
He spent that time with somebody. I mean, Joe had
to get his nap in. Maybe he sold him for
five or ten minutes. But again you gotta ask the
question how much of this was Joe and how much
of this was his autopen crew.

Speaker 16 (01:24:49):
Well, it was his autopen crew, I mean. And whether
we're talking the Obamas, whether we're talking sorrows, I mean,
the people who are behind the own there doing all
this stuff. Was Yeah, I mean, the decision was made
we're going after Trump, and with Letitia James, with the

(01:25:11):
Alvin Bragg, Judge Jan mershawan Jack Smith have clear ties
back to the White House. So again I'm not saying
Biden himself conceived and orchestrated all this, but it was
done in his name.

Speaker 10 (01:25:28):
I mean.

Speaker 16 (01:25:29):
And early on there was an article that I point
to from the New York Times where he was upset
with Merrick Garland because he wanted him to be more
like a prosecutor and go after Trump. And he made
that clear. So and again that was reported by the
New York Times, so you can't doubt it. But all

(01:25:51):
these cases were Again you look at the classified documents
case mar Lago and then compare that it was in
a secure place. He had been president, he had the
rights to keep most of, if not all, those documents,
compared to Joe Biden, who had been having classified documents

(01:26:13):
in several different locations, including the garage in his Delaware
home where he wasn't even staying there but Hunter was.
And you know, you have so many of those kind
of thing. But they said, now he's a sympathetic old
man who probably didn't know what he was doing. And
you know the Robert hurb defense of Biden, why they

(01:26:35):
didn't prosecute him for that, And then the letitia James
Casey wanted they tried to find him half a billion
dollars and this was all over a case where they
said that he gave false evaluations to get favorable loan
and insurance rates. And you know, the people who they

(01:26:59):
brought to estify, like deutsche Bach said no, you know,
we don't take what he says as being the absolute
truth about the value of the land. We do our
own checking and we're perfectly happy, and we got all
our money. And so no one was defrauded, no one
claimed to be defrauded. But they came up with this case,

(01:27:21):
and they confined jurys in New York and in some
cases just judges making these calls. So yeah, on and
on they went with these and again the Rico case
in Georgia was over this phone call where he was
with Raffensberger and basically he said, find me eleven thousand votes,

(01:27:44):
you know, But the full context of it is there
were hundreds of thousands of votes that were suspect in
Georgia that you know, just saying that's all I needed,
you know, to have. He didn't say, go out and
manufacture votes. I mean, that's what they did in Pennsylvania,
for instance, to win Pennsylvania in that twenty twenty election.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Right, Hey, Roger, I know you've got another appointment you've
got to get to. We could keep you another hour
on this subject. But Roger Aronoff, Executive Director, Editor of
the Citizens Commission on National Security, Roger, we want to
thank you so much for joining us here. But before
you go. Please tell our listeners and viewers how they
could keep track of you and read the things you write.

Speaker 16 (01:28:31):
Thank you. Go to CC Nationalsecurity dot org. That's CC
for Citizens Commission Ccnationalsecurity dot org. And among our members
are Alan West, who you mentioned earlier. We have Claire Lopez,
former CIA officer. We have generals and Tom McInerny and

(01:28:54):
Paul Valley, Pete Hookstra, former chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee who's now taking leave to be ambassador to Canada.
So we have some great people. We have some great
guest columns. We're not we don't publish every day, but
we try to keep go, keep up with everything we think.

(01:29:15):
We have great articles and interviews up there, and we
you know, we work behind the scenes. We do a
lot of things, and I actually have some projects that
we could do if we had more money, So I
know we all feel that way, so indeed we do.
I encourage your viewers to contact me through the website

(01:29:36):
and I'd love to be in touch with you all.
And so again Ccnationalsecurity dot Org.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Again, Roger, we want to thank you so much for
joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Take care and God bless thank you both.

Speaker 16 (01:29:51):
You guys are great. We do great work, and I
appreciate you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
To you as to you and you are listening to
and watching the Conservative Commandos with George Phlanderus. I'mrick Trader.
While you have this cyber we're going to be joined
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Sixty six And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative
Commands Radio Show with George Landreth and I'm Rick Trader,
coming to you from the My Pillar Studio, the my
Stewart Studio of the au N TV Network. Hey, George,
your next guest this year. You know what to do.
Take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
Absolutely. I always enjoy introducing our guests because we always
are the very best guests, and so it's a real
honor and a real privilege. And I'm excited to introduce
Reverend Ben Johnson. He's a senior reporter and editor at
The Washington Stand and his writings have appeared not just
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(01:31:49):
in The Guardian, which is in the United Kingdom, over
Great Britain and so forth, Human Events, The Stream, Real
Clear Policy, Concernit of Review, the Daily Caller. He's also
been cited his work and things that he's had to say,
and his analysis has been cited by National Review, CBS News,

(01:32:11):
and Fox News. And he was managing editor of front
Page Magazine and the US bureau chief at Life Site News.
And he is also the author of two books on
tax exempt foundations, as well as Party of Defeat, which
I think is again a very interesting book that I

(01:32:32):
think he wrote if our call with David Horowitz. Before
turning to journalism and editing, he spent more than a
decade doing radio broadcasting and all kinds of news and
talk and those sorts of things. So we're really glad
to have Reverend Ben Johnson with us. So, Reverend Johnson,
welcome back to the Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 10 (01:32:53):
Always a pleasure to be with you, George.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
I wanted to ask you just about there's all this
discussion about trying to get things back in order and
get things fixed, and so Donald Trump is find an
executive order just this past week that directed his cabinet
to begin taking the necessary steps to facilitate closing down
the Department of Education. And for many of us, I'm

(01:33:16):
old enough to remember when Ronald Reagan talked about doing that,
but he wasn't able to get it done. Not that
he didn't want to, It's just that he didn't have
enough support in the House and the Senate to get
it done at the time. And so Donald Trump is
being obviously more aggressive and more focused on that because
the time has come where after because back then the

(01:33:37):
Apartment of the Department of Education was new, and so
it hadn't yet wrecked American education because when it was passed,
we were considered the having the best educational system in
the world. And after forty five years of this insanity,
it's slipped and now we're down in the mid to
late twenties, and it's like, okay, so now I think

(01:34:01):
you definitely have the AMMO if you will factual AMMO.
It's not just an idea of saying I think it's
a bad idea. It's like, it's kind of obvious it's
a bad idea.

Speaker 10 (01:34:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
It'd be kind of like if someone said, I think
we should feed children arsenic, and you know, and we
didn't know a lot about arsenic, but someone told us
I think it's poisonous and toxic, and then he say, oh,
what do you know. Well, after forty five years of
feeding children arsenic and then they die, I think you
have the evidence to say stop feeding kids arsnake. And
that's basically what the Department of Education is. So I

(01:34:31):
wanted to ask you to help us way through this.

Speaker 10 (01:34:34):
Well, that's a perfect analogy because the federal government for
too long has been feeding children intellectual and spiritual arsenic.
There's no question about that. With the educational guidelines Obviously,
we've had, as you said, a brand new department back
in nineteen eighty. So when Reagan talked about it, they said,
give it a chance. Well, the results are in. We've
seen the fact that NAP scores have not increased in

(01:34:56):
any way, shape or form. In fact, the nation's report card,
the NAPE scores as they're known, had to announce back
in June of twenty twenty three that reading scores for
fourth grade children were not materially different than in nineteen
seventy one, and that's after they'd done down to test.
So you've seen a massive shift in public perception, especially

(01:35:18):
once parents stayed home during COVID. They saw what teachers
were teaching, They saw what was being presented as education,
and so you had a content problem as well as
a competency problem, and the two were not unrelated. Instead
of focusing on reading, writing, and arithmetic, as the late
Philis Schlaughey always talked about, instead they asked how do
you feel about two plus two is four? Where they

(01:35:38):
talk about different ESL components, emotional and social learning, DEI,
critical theory. All of that smuggled into the curriculum, and
as a result, you have test scores and haven't budged
or have fallen in real terms ever since the formation
of the Department of Education in nineteen eighty. Our friend

(01:35:58):
Ronald Reagan did his very best, as you say, and
sometimes conservatives give him a hard time. We know that
he didn't accomplish everything that he campaigned on. No president
ever does. But he set a standard. He said that
I do not want ineffective government funded by the US government.
This is an ineffective agency. It was a payoff to
teachers unions. The National Education and Association endorsed Jimmy Carter

(01:36:21):
in nineteen eighty. Nobody endorsed Jimmy Carter in nineteen eighty.
The Liberals didn't let Jimmy Carter. By nineteen eighty they
had had enough, so they voted for Ted Kennedy in
the primaries and John Anderson in the general but they
endorsed Jimmy Carter. And so Jimmy Carter unveiled this new department,
which went forward, and it's spent a lot of money,
it's reinforced the teachers unions. It has done absolutely nothing

(01:36:42):
for our children. It's time that come to an end.
And by the way, I think this is a big
mark against the never Trump people because they always said
he's not a real conservative, he doesn't want to deal
with entitlement reform and other issues which I think are important.
But here he is following through keeping a forty five
year old campaign promise that conservatives have sought after for
so long.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
It's a very good point. Years ago, I served on
a public school board and one of the things I
noticed while I was on that school board was that
the federal government wasn't doing much to fund education, and
they produced somewhere in the neighborhood of two to three
percent of the funding for the county schools that I
was you know, you know, on the school board for,

(01:37:23):
and yet they produced about seventy five to ninety percent
of the kind of crazy rules and regulations. So we
had to hire tons of bureaucrats to comply with all
the different rules they were setting, but not people in
the classroom. So we were spending a lot of money
on education, but it wasn't in the classroom. It was

(01:37:44):
to have bureaucrats so that we could you know, correspond
with and you know, deal with the federal bureaucracy. So
it's just it was just like a transaction cost that
was ridiculous and stupid. And it was very interesting because
when I was younger, I think I would have well,
I agreed with with Ron Reagan, but I didn't have

(01:38:05):
the practicality of that part of it. It didn't really
occur to me that all it was going to be
was a bunch of crazy bureaucracy. And who's ever said
my favorite bureaucrat when I was in school was so
and so because they taught me so much about math
and science and history. The answer is, nobody's ever said
that nobody has a favorite bureaucrat that they can say

(01:38:27):
helped teach them something that Matt changed their life and
helped get them, you know, well educated and prepared to
learn more and grow more intellectually. So I just wanted
to ask you kind of what's your take on this
idea of is what I'm saying about the Department Education?
You think it makes sense or might being too harsh
on them?

Speaker 10 (01:38:46):
You couldn't be more spot on, George as usual, that's
not unusual for your commentary, but you are completely correct.
The main thing that the Department of Education is produced
is not outstanding students. It's not even really education. It's
bureaucratic compliance costs, and they've shoveled that off onto local
school districts. As you say, they don't really even fund
education that much. In your case was two to three percent.

(01:39:09):
In some places it's a size fourteen or fifteen. I
think the average is about ten percent of federal funding
is ten percent of local schools is funded by the
federal government through the DEEA, through the DOE rather and
so as a result, they are essentially spending a lot
of their own money in order to keep up with
the regulatory compliance that is necessary. They have to buy

(01:39:30):
new curricula, which means you have to hire new curriculum advisors.
You have to hire people in order to who can
navigate these very intricate navigational pathways for federal compliance and
federal regulation. And that means that you have to have
people who have education degrees or who have pedagogy degrees
but aren't teaching. You hire, as you say, bureaucrats. And

(01:39:53):
if you look at what Linda McMahon I think, really
put her finger on. She talked about bureaucratic bloat. That's
what's going to cut when they cut President Trump cut
half of the Department of Education from about forty one
hundred to about twenty two hundred employees. That's what got cut,
and that's what every single federal school district has replicated

(01:40:13):
and must end up eventually rectifying is getting rid of
all of the additional layers of administrators and bureaucrats. My
mother was a public school teacher, taught special needs children
special education, and there are a lot of wonderful frontline
teachers who are doing their very best just to instill
the basics in people who may not be the most responsive.

(01:40:33):
But the majority of the growth since the formation of
the Department of Education in nineteen seventy nine has been administrative.
It's completely useless. That should be handed back to local
schools and said they should be told with a ninety
percent of the money that you are funding now, you
are completely free to teach children however you wish, in
whatever way you wish. And by the way, the former

(01:40:55):
Education Secretary Bill Bennett had a good point the other day,
we don't just have to hand it back to schools
in the local or state arena. We can hand this
back to parents. You can hand this money to parents
and tell them you educate the children any way you want,
whether it's through private school, online school, or homeschool.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
That's a very very good point. One of the things
I think is kind of interesting is people like to
act as if Republicans hate the Department of Education because
we hate education or something like that. And yet if
you go back in history, back to nineteen seventy nine,
when Jimmy Carter was president, he had people in his
own cabinet who did not like the idea of the

(01:41:32):
Apartment of Education, because you did have the point, you
had an apartment called health and health Education, human Services,
and so forth. So it wasn't as if the federal
government didn't have some finger in the education process. But
what you didn't have is entire bureaucracy completely devoted to it.
And so some of these were pretty liberal people. For example,
the American Federation of Teachers was against it. The New

(01:41:54):
York Times, of all things, its editorial board was against it.
And then of course I remember democratics or Daniel Patrick moynihan,
who was from New York and who was a famous liberal,
he was against it. And so I'm trying to figure
out why is it that the press likes to pretend
that somehow getting rid of the Department of Education means

(01:42:15):
your anti education and all this other stuff, because I'm
thinking to myself, so I guess that means that Daniel
Patrick moynihan, a liberal Democrat, was against education, and the
American Federation of Teachers, people who actually teach there, against
education too. I don't think so. I think you're lying
to us, So fill us in on that one.

Speaker 10 (01:42:33):
Yeah, the idea that Brandy Winingardon's predecessors were against education,
I think is untenable, although you can certainly make the
case for herself perhaps over the last few years. But no,
you're absolutely right. Is typical that the Department of Education
had internal opposition. You couldn't get more liberal than Pad moynihan.
He was the leading Senate lion of liberalism along with
Ted Kennedy for a whole generation of people. But he

(01:42:55):
was pragmatic unlike so many others. He looked at the
bottom line and said, this is not going to materially
improve things. It's only going to increase costs, and it's
going to give the federal government even more control. Why
is it that the media always say that conservatives are
opposed to education because we're opposed to the Department of
Education for the same reason that everything else. They take

(01:43:17):
this line with every other conservative department or every other position.
First of all, because the media is really just a
mermidon at the Democratic Party. They simply repeat the talking
points of what's being presented. Second of all, because they
make that material mistake with some well meaning people do that.
Frederick bossy A pointed out a long time ago. He
said that people who believe that Conservatives or others are

(01:43:38):
opposed to public funding believe that you were opposed to
the underlying issue. So if I'm opposed to the federal
funding of childbirth, I'm against children. That's obviously not the case.
So when it comes to this issue, we've had this
material formal concern for a very long time. This error
that is going on Intellectually, people don't understand how new

(01:44:00):
education funding is. Until nineteen sixty five, when Lynden Johnson
saigned the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, there was essentially
no federal funding of local schools, very very little of
colleges going back to the Eisenhower administration, but before that
there was very little formal clear funding. There was always

(01:44:21):
research going on, but there was very little line item
funding of education until nineteen sixty five. And like so
many ideas, it came out of the great society we've seen.
They've crashed and burned. People don't respond to statist answers.
They respond to local teachers who care for them. No
one cares about the bureaucrats. The bureaucrats don't really care
about the kids. It's a job protection racket. Teachers care

(01:44:43):
about kids on with their teachers. That's where we need
to invest our education dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Very very good point, and that's a great place for
us to take a quick break. So folks don't go away,
because the Conservative commandos with Rick Trader and George Landreth
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Reverend Ben Johnson is our guests. He's a senior reporter
and editor at The Washington Stand. We're discussing an article that,
Reverend Johnson wrote, unconstitutional, ineffective, incompetent, unnecessary. Trump moves to

(01:49:31):
abolish the Department of Education. Reverend Johnson, thank you for
holding through that break. We appreciate your time and a
little bit of inside baseball. This show is actually videotage
on Monday afternoon and President Trump had Linda McMahon in
the White House today they discussed ridding the country of

(01:49:54):
the Department of Education. But Reverend Johnson, there's a couple
of groups out there that aren't too happy, the NAA
and the NAACP. They are actually taking President Trump in
his administration to court to stop this. And it it's me,
Reverend Johnson. I'm wanted to get your opinion of this,
and it just shows how out of touch the Democrats

(01:50:18):
are right now. I mean, this is no secret. President
Trump ran on this. This was one of the major
planks in his platform. Every battleground state voted for this man.
He won the electoral vote, he had a gains to
the House in the Senate. It should be a message

(01:50:39):
to organizations like the NEA, Teachers Associations, NAACP, anyone else
that didn't like it. This is what the people voted for.
Your thoughts.

Speaker 10 (01:50:51):
I think this is one of the things that says
President and Trump apart from so many other presidents, which
is that he's following through He said, I will govern
by a simple model. Promises made, promises capped. Here's another
one that's been capped. And that's not how Republican presidents, frankly,
have governed for at least the last twenty five years
at a minimum. So this when Bob Dole said he
wanted to abolish the Department of Education, I don't know

(01:51:13):
that people believed him. And then, of course you had
McCain and Romney didn't even give us the rhetoric, let
alone the action if they'd gotten into office. So conservative
Republicans have sought after this for decades. As you say that,
the real of him promising to abolish the Department of
Education went viral. Every single swing state supported him. There
was no question what he was going to do when
he got into office. The fact that the NAACP and

(01:51:35):
the NEA are bringing this lawsuit, it's just another front
in the never ending lawfair against this administration. There been
already dozens of national injunctions, which you're controversial in themselves.
Those are also a relatively recent phenomenon, which I wrote
about with the Washington Stand in a different article, But
they are fairly recent, and they're trying to stop everything

(01:51:55):
that President Trump does. Ultimately, since the DOE was founded
by a congressional statute, it has to be repealed through
congressional legislation. There's an excellent bill. I think it's Senate
Bill eight ninety nine, if I'm not wronger HR eight
ninety nine and maybe eight ninety nine. I believe it is.
Thomas Massey is introduced. So a one line bill that
simply says the Department of Education shall terminate on December

(01:52:17):
thirty first, twenty twenty six period. That would end the
federal involvement in education, turn it back to states, let
them set their own curriculum, their own guidelines, make suhere
that competence finally replaces thorough regulation in the curriculum. So
I hope that Congress will take this up. I think
particularly it's very important that it do so within the

(01:52:38):
next two years, while we're sure that we have a
congressional majority.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
Reverend Johnson, many children, has the Department of Education educated?
And how much money, how much money passes through its hands,
and how much of that money is absorbed. It's just
administration costs. And you know, I learned a lot of
learn a lot from guests like you. I learned a
lot from my co hosts like George Landrath. When George said,

(01:53:06):
when he was a member of a school board, because
of what the Department of Education told them they may
must do all the additional costs that the school board
had to had to pay out to make the Department

(01:53:26):
of Education happy. What I'm getting at is this was
the Department of Education was nothing but more than a
money transfer, and a lot of that money got absorbed.

Speaker 10 (01:53:39):
It's domestic usaid is essentially what we're looking at. It's
always been a money transfer from the federal government to
teachers' unions, never ending certification requirements that have increased over
the years, which take away from very talented people could
be teachers but don't have the right check mark next
to them. But you're asking how many people how much money?
Three trillion dollars since nineteen eighty three trillion dollars, that's

(01:54:03):
one twelve of our federal deficit. Our national debt is
simply wrapped up in the DOE. Want out of every
eight dollars because of national education. And again we've talked
about the results. The results have been static, even after
the test has the qualifications. Frankly, the curricula have gone down,
the testing standards have gone down. Even when you factor

(01:54:26):
all that in, the scores are absolutely unchanged for most
of our entire lifetime. So you're going back to nineteen
seventy one, there's a significant cohort of Americans who weren't
alive at that point. They have never seen an improvement
in education under the DOE. How much is absorbed by
administration the estimates that I've seen, again, remember, only about
one out of every eleven or twelve dollars comes from

(01:54:50):
the federal government. We're talking let's say, let's round it
up and say ten percent of all these dollars are
coming from the federal government. According to the figures and
the estimates that I've seen, approximately sixty percent of that
goes to administrative costs. So for every federal dollar, you're
getting about four dimes. Out of every federal dollar that's
spent actually getting through to frontline teachers and real educational concepts.

(01:55:14):
The rest is absorbed by administration. It's a complete and
total waste. It's bureaucratic bloat, and unfortunately US taxpayers are
paying the front end of it. Financially, American children are
paying the back end of it through an inferior education.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
Reverend Johnson, help me out here. I am led to
believe that when the Department of Education was created in
the Carter administration, American school children led the world. That
were number one. Now they're like number forty.

Speaker 10 (01:55:44):
No, you're absolutely right, they are very much a more
middling result. We have tests that measure what the standing
of the average American versus other countries around the world.
We've had basically the same basket. People have continually joined
that test, so it's not completely the same, but it's
largely the same group of countries. Over the last several decades.

(01:56:05):
In America, you can just see this precipitous fall, this
very steady, slow slide that has been going on for decades,
the entire time that the Department of Education supposedly is
curing this problem with federal interventions. So the more that
the federal government is involved, the less power the parent has,
the less say that parents have, the less say that

(01:56:26):
local schools and local teachers have. Everyone should be against this,
except usually I always have this saying when things don't
make sense, they make sense. You just don't understand the reason.
There's no underlying financial incentive for them never to cut
these programs.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
Reverend Johnson, in your article Trump moves through abolished the
Department of Education, you lead it. You lead that title
with for a very interesting where it's unconstitutional, ineffective, incompetent, unnecessary.
Let's talk about that first word, unconstitutional.

Speaker 10 (01:56:58):
There is absolutely no constitutional authorization for the federal government
to be involved in education of any sort. Article one,
section eight has all of the delegated powers that the
states gave to the federal government, and they reserved all
others under the ninth and tenth Amendments. Under those amendments,
the powers that are reserved to the states are many.

(01:57:18):
Those that are delegated to the federal government are fewl
according to the founding fathers, and so there shouldn't have
been any concern about the federal government overstepping its bounds.
The problem is that the states have refused to enforce
their own boundaries. Obviously, the federal government has failed to
police itself. There is Education is not mentioned anywhere in
that list of course, so much of what the federal
government does is not mentioned in that list. It's been

(01:57:40):
a slow absorption of state power of state prerogatives for decades,
going back at least to the New Deal and progressing
certainly metastasizing with the Great Society. So that's where education
ended up getting swept up into the federal government. And
at one time we had a Supreme Court that was
willing to stand up a judiciary. He was willing to
stand up for the supreme law of the land, which

(01:58:03):
is the US Constitution. Unfortunately, after the nineteen thirty six election,
after Earth threatened to pack the court, and you had
one justice who changed his position. By the way, his
name was Justice Roberts, So I think is very very
fitting considering the current state of jurisprudence. Appointed as a
constitutional conservative, ended up changing his views and signing off
on all the New Deal legislation. The history books called

(01:58:25):
the switch in time that Saves nine. But ultimately, instead
of packing the court, he simply went along and signed
off on everything, and from that day forward it was
open season on the US Constitution. Anything that you could
pass it didn't necessarily have to be justified by the
US Constitution. The Department of Education certainly wasn't, and we've
dealt with those results ever since. Again, we paid a cost,

(01:58:47):
but the greatest cost is what's born by us students
who didn't get the kind of education that people did
in nineteen thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Reverend Johnson, Reverend Ben Johnson, we appreciate you, but before
you leave, tell us a little bit about The Washington Stand,
which you are a senior reporter and editor of.

Speaker 10 (01:59:05):
Sure, the Washington Stand is a publication of the Family
Research Council. You can find us at Washington Stand dot com.
Of course, many people are familiar with Tony Perkins. His
program runs on these television stations and radio stations, so
we're always good to always thrill that we have that partnership,
and so you can read much of what happens and

(01:59:27):
takes place. We have either news or commentary about it
every day Washington Stand dot com. Also you can follow
me on Twitter x as it's called now. I still
can't get used to it x dot com at the
Rights Writer, the ri I G h T S Writer,
w R I T e R and follow me there.
So always always great to be on and of course

(01:59:47):
when I'm really lucky. You can see me on The
Conservative Commandos with George and Rick.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Yeah, Reverend Johnson, I'm getting used to X now and
I'm accepting him more than I thought I would. Reverend
Johnson again, thank you so much for joining us. Take
care and God.

Speaker 10 (02:00:02):
Bless, Thank you, God bless.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
And you are listening to and watching The Conservative Commanders
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