#CONSERVATIVE-COMMANDOS, #mail-in-votes, #voting-machines, #Donald-Trump, #Ukraine, #Russia, #Vladimir-Putin, #Volodymyr-Zelenskyy, 8-19_25

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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(00:41):
Conservative Commandos, Conservative Commando's radio show, and I'm Rick Trador
coming to you from the my Pelas studios and my
Store studios of the AUN TV network and joining me
today as my co host is Sharon Angel. And Sharon,
welcome back, Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thank you, Rick.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's great to be here, and it's great to be here.
When Donald Trump announces that he's going to eliminate mail
in voting and voting machines from the US elections, citing
concerns of our election integrity for the midterms, I you know,
that is such good news that he is really thinking

(01:24):
about what's going on in our elections and he's now
focused in on those, I think because he's got things
kind of well, as they say on his hip as
far as as international things go, now he can kind

(01:44):
of turn his efforts towards the domestic, and I'm really
glad to see him talk about this, especially he says,
I'm going to lead a movement to get rid of
mail in ballots, and you said that the voting machines
are highly inaccurate, very expensive, and seriously controversial. So here

(02:10):
we go. We'll see how far he gets. I know
this is it's a touchy subject to say the least.
I've been traveling around the state talking with different ones
who are in charge of elections and asking them what
they think is the best. Well, they hate mail and bouts,

(02:32):
So that's just kind of universal among those who are
working with elections because these mail in ballots just open
up all kinds of opportunities for mischief, for people to
do things that they wouldn't ordinarily.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Do but.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Can't.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
They don't there's no way to get caught. Really, they
feel like they can do it without any kind of
real problem with the law because you have to see it.
And then even if you see it, we've seen what happens.
We've seen it all on YouTube, and nothing happened, right,

(03:12):
And they didn't go after those guys. So there really
isn't much of a deterrent as far as so what
if you get caught?

Speaker 5 (03:23):
So what?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
But so what? And so I think.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
That that's why it's driving election officials and crazy to
have these mail in ballots, because they know there's nothing
they can do. They're really relying on people's honor. You're
on your owner, and we know that over the years,
our sacred honor has deteriorated. Well able to trust that way?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Do you think that President Trump is going far enough?
I mean, we've talked for years about this. We think that,
you know, get rid of the mail in ballots, get
rid of the voting machines, get rid of early voting,
you know, get rid of h we have to ensure

(04:17):
that people only vote once that day. And we've talked
about different things. I love the idea of sticking a
finger in a bottle of ink so you can only
vote once. I don't know that if that is going
far enough. Get rid of motor voter. I think he.
I think he needs to totally revamp the elections system.

(04:40):
I really do well.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
I think these are those first steps, but he knew it.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
First steps, well, first steps great, But let's do it
all at once. We've only got another year before the
midterm elections, you might say a year and a month
or two. I love the idea. I think these reform
should have been started on January twenty first. But I'd
like to see him go farther. I really would get

(05:06):
rid of early voting, get rid of motive. Voter issue
is identification. People have to use identification to vote. Reading
for steps, but in the too little, too little, and
I'm not saying too late. I'm saying she should have

(05:28):
started a long time ago. She was started months ago.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Well, it should have. We should have been on this
when we first started seeing it. So, you know, Michael Lindale,
he says, this is a huge step towards securing our
election and saving our countries. Help get rid of the
voting machines, and then he says.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Donate to me.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
So he's just using it to come on, you know,
let's do this thing.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
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Speaker 3 (06:08):
That's right, that's right. So Lindell's kind of agreeing with you.
It's like, come on, let's let's go for it. Let's
not just stop with email and balloting. Let's go for
those machines. I think in some regards, though the president's

(06:30):
hands are tied by some legal things. We would really
like to see them say more about cleaning up the
voter registration rules. But the laws that govern how you
can do that are it's a difficult process. It's really
something that because of that law, it requires you to

(06:53):
do it step by step so that you don't disenfranchise anyone.
And that means that when you look and someone dies,
for instance, you know they're dead, you got to give
it thirty three days before you can move it from

(07:16):
active in.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, you got it.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Then you've got to go to general elections to move
it completely off the rolls. So it's not it's not
that bad. I mean, death is a little different. But
when they move away, move to another jurisdiction, I mean,
there's just an incredible bunch of hoops that have to
be gone through in order to remove that person from

(07:43):
the roles, and even at their request, it's difficult to
remove them, even at their request. And we've seen this
happening over and over again. And it is these bloated
registration roles that allow for most the mischief to happen
because when people have gone to court over it this,

(08:07):
they are citing those bloated registration rules as the culprit
that if you, and I think you've said this before
as well, if we required everyone who wants to vote
to register to vote the year they want to vote
in rather than carrying that over year after year after year,

(08:29):
that every voter registration role then would be cleansed just
by virtue of only voters who want to vote will
be registering. It would be this automatic registration. And this
is something that's just now happening in Nevada, but it
has happened in California, and we just do it here

(08:53):
at the DMV, but in California it is every governmental
agency in this day to California, when you go in
to do business, they hand you another voter registration.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Packet.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
So if there's any variable from the last time that
you registered to vote, both registrations then will go on.
So just a for instance, if you signed up as
Rick Trader on your registration and then the next time

(09:30):
you said Richard Trader, well now they think you're two
different people because there's this difference, and so that's the
that's the issue and it then bloats the roles. So
there is that that automatic registration should not be happening.

(09:53):
So see we're starting to dig a little deeper into
It's not just the mail in bous, but who are
they getting mailed?

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Two? Uh?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
You know we we have dealt with mail in ballots
for years, but those mail in ballots were absentee requested
by the person who wanted to vote.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's a that's away I voted.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Are your request rather than just having a mail in
ballot sent to you? And you didn't request it. Maybe
you didn't want it, Maybe you don't live there anymore.
You know, all kinds of things start to come into
the and to play when they.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Give you an option, at least when I go to
do my my mail and ballot, they give you an option.
Do you want your ballots sent to you every year? Mh,
what I've done? What I've done? Gee, I can't remember
how long it's been so since I went to the
polling place to vote. Is I go down and I

(10:56):
get a mail in ballot, an absentee ballot, correctly termed.
And the reason being is I want to be sure
know what votes in my name, that my vote is
on paper and that my vote counts. That's why I
do it. But they gave I remember the last time

(11:20):
I did it, it was last November. They said, do
you want us to mail it to you in the future,
had a particular address. I forgot what he said. I
don't remember if I told me yes or no. I
don't remember what I said. But I like going I
like going down to the county court. I like showing

(11:42):
by the way they ask you for identification when you
vote absentee ballot and I like that. I like that. Again,
God bless Donald Trump. I just would like to see
him say more. I really would. We have a problem.
We have a problem in this country as far as
our voting system goes. I think it's time going to

(12:07):
strain it out.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Well, I think it is time.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
But Sharon Ridings Sharon, speaking of critics, we do have
a critic. It's me and I get critical when we
have to take a break. But on the other side
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and just I'll remember what it was just in my

(12:33):
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Speaker 1 (15:56):
Welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative command as Share
and I'm a trader still brained it trader coming to
you from the Mypilla Studios, Myster Studios of the A
and TV Network and Sharing. Before we went to the break,
I said, I had a questions. I wanted to ask you,
I wanted to get your opinion, but went through my head.

(16:17):
I don't remember what it was, but hopefully as we
get this conversation, it'll come back to me.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I just wanted to mention that the critics, and this
is generally the Democrats, they say that we're conspiracy theorists.
They say that we're election deniers. And they say that
mail in balloting has not been linked to widespread fraud.

(16:46):
So they don't say it hasn't been linked to any fraud,
they say widespread fraud. So think about these criticisms. First
of all, we're conspiracy theorists. That is a personal attack
on our character. It has nothing to do with facts
or what's going on in elections. They won't even deal

(17:09):
with the issue. They just call you a name and
that's the end.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
They say, you said the same thing about the Hunter laptop.
They said the same thing about Russia, Russia, Russia. They
said the same thing about Ivermectin. You know, it was
all Remember anything they disagree with, anything we say they
disagree with they have to be mean it by saying
conspiracy theorists. Near they go again. You know, when we said,

(17:37):
masks don't work. Oh, that's just a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
You know, yeah, because so so, it's a personal attack,
has nothing to do with the facts. They won't discuss
the issue. They just attack with the with personal defamation,
trying to call you a name and making and making
that stick. Rather than let's talk out the issue. Let's

(18:02):
discuss why you really don't want to have a mail
in balloting discontinued, why you really don't want to use
paper ballance instead of machine ballance, why you really don't
want to clean up the voter rolls. Let's talk about
the pros and cons of this, the issue itself, but

(18:23):
not that. That's not what they want to do. They
want to just call us a name. So it's a
conspiracy theory. What does that mean anyway? If it's not,
if it's fact, it's not theory. That's one thing. So
we're we're not we're not theorists. We are presenting facts.

(18:46):
They're saying, that's a theory that has nothing to do
with the issue. Let's talk the facts. Secondly, conspiracy, what
does that mean? That's one of those words like you know,
like ins or crazy or you know, it's just your opinion.
It has nothing to do again with the facts, And

(19:09):
then they call us election deniers. We're not denying the election.
We want elections. What we're saying is that our elections
are not fair, they're not honest, they have no integrity,
they're not protected and secure, they're not safe. And those

(19:31):
are the words that really count when it comes to elections.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
What's denial. We're not denying anything.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
We're just saying we want fair, honest, safe, secure elections.
That's what we want, and we are saying the problems
we're getting to that integrity in our elections are these
though things that you have promoted as Democrats, because the
Republicans don't bring these bills forward. It's the Democrats that

(20:02):
had the bright idea of mail in balloting, of ballot harvesting,
of drop boxes. You know, they're the ones that keep
expanding and expanding and opening up the opportunities for mischief
in elections. So we're not denying anything here. And I

(20:22):
think that we've got to start calling them on their
rhetoric because the next thing they says, well, there's no
widespread fraud related to this, Well, how would they know.
They won't even let us present our facts in court.
And another thing is how would they know what widespread

(20:45):
look like? Is it five votes, is it fifty votes?
Is it one hundred and fifty votes? Is it two
hundred thousand votes? We don't know what widespread. Where's the
bar for this?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's not fifteen million either, because remember during the twenty
twenty four election, there are fifteen million less votes than
in twenty twenty. So I think that that shows I
remembered my question.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yes, I thought you would.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I did I remember my question. You know, there's been
a lot of talk lately that Texas wants to redistrict
they want to draw fair election boundaries. It's theorized that
as many as five Democrat seats will now fall into
the hands of the Republicans. So what California wants to

(21:41):
do is California wants to retaliate. California wants to redraw
its map. You know, there's only about well, in California,
there's I think fifty four fifty four congressional districts. Oh,
there's fifty four. I think there are nine that are
in Republican hands. When they get done, they'll be like

(22:03):
three Republican. So I wanted to get your opinion on
this redistricting and how can this redistricting be done where
it's fair? Should it? Should? You know, we've seen some
of these maps like that. We saw a map of
the districts in Illinois and one district is like a

(22:25):
snake going from the southwest corner of the state all
the way to the northeast corner of the state. And
that's you know, some of the is one street, why Sharon,
one street?

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Why?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So talk with me about redistricting. What would be a
fair plan.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Okay, I've been through redistricting once as a legislator, and
in two thousand and one we did it. Now you
do it every ten years. It's base on the census.
So when the census is taken, they take the population
and they divide it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
It's half a.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Million for every congrescial seat, so a half a million
in population, and then they divide on down for your
local districts. It's all population based. That's why they want
to count the population, not the citizens. Because if you're
just counting bodies who's living there, you count everybody. You

(23:32):
count children, you can't resident aliens, you can't illegal aliens.
You count everybody. Everybody gets thrown into the pot. If
we were to just count voting eligible voters. Now you're

(23:53):
thinking more clearly about how do we get this to
be fair? If you're an eligible voter and you say, now,
this is the number of eligible voters that we need
in every congressional district, then they're going to be even
in some cases. Here in Nevada, we have forty four

(24:13):
thousand eligible voters in one district that of fifty thousand
people or sixty thousand people, I think it's up to
sixty and in another district they're the same sixty thousand population.
You have thirty thousand voters. How is that fair that
you have to spend money to reach thirty thousand souls

(24:37):
when this guy only has to reach.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Six thousand or four thousands.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
So it really, it really almost needs to start at
the source of our how we determine this, and it
needs to be a different criteria than just warm bodies.
It needs to be a criteria of eligible voters at
the time of the census, and that then would make

(25:04):
these more even as far as how you get there,
So you could you could still draw these lines in
a kind of a goofy manner, but the other issue
is if we do it every ten years, now, you
have to prove that something really nefarious has gone wrong

(25:26):
with the redistrict thing in the first place in order
to get these these districts, that something has happened there
that's beyond just you know, a sneaky little line. It
has to have affected the outcomes of elections. And you
have to prove a lot of different things for that.
And I think that Texas may have a case. I

(25:48):
don't think California has a case. And so in that
tenure in.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
The laws, the election laws, I thought was up to
the state. They determine their election loss.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
But reapportionment isn't.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Reapportionment isn't.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
So it's a whole different.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Reapportionment is determined at the federal level, and so every
state is standardized. You have to have this much population
in every congressional district, and then it works on down
because every congressional district has a certain number of other
entities down beneath that congressional district. And so as you

(26:33):
start through the process, then you see how, well, okay,
we can't have we have to combine these areas in
order to make this.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Work.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And you get down right to the precinct level, and
that's how you do it.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
It's it's quite a task, actually.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
But people in the state legislators look forward to it
because they know if they're in charge, if they are
the majority party at the time of reapportionment, then they
get to call the shots. They get to draw the lines,
and they get to which goes in which districts.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I've heard of some situations where after the lines are redrawn,
Democrats and the tourists of this going to court and see.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
This is where this is where the Republicans in Texas
are going. They're going to go to court. And basically
that's what California is saying. We're going to do the
same thing because they have to get a judge to
decide that in order to reapportion in the middle. See,
we're not really due for another reapportionment until twenty thirty one,

(27:50):
so in order to stop what has happened, they have
to get a judge to decide that, yes, there's something
really bad going on with your reapportion system and you
have to redraw.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Okay, So Sharon, what else is on your radar screen?

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well, you know they're they're starting to move into the
deep state now with their with the things that they're
doing as far as looking at employment for folks that
need to that have not been good employees. I don't

(28:30):
know how to say this. We know what the deep
state is, right, we know that these are bureaucrats that
are generally there for years and years and years. They're
the ones that actually are running the government. You know,
I ran into the deep state when I was a legislator.
We have a Legislative Council bureau and those folks are

(28:53):
very nice. You you come into service, they know your name,
they know you buy your make sure the minute you
enter the building they got you and they say, you know, hello.
They're very deferring, they're very polite, very respectful. But at
one point I had a discussion with one of us

(29:15):
about something and that person just smiled at me and said,
you know, you may be here for twelve years because
you're going to turn out, but I'll be here long
after you've gone. I've been here long before you came.

(29:36):
So who's really in charge? And I mean it was
such an eye opener to me, because when you go
as a legislator elected, you are you're a newbie, you
hit the ground and you are in a steep learning
curve right from the very beginning. It takes you, it

(29:57):
takes you almost your first session to really learn the ropes,
and many of those you learn the hard way. It's
not like you you get a soft landing. You know,
they're they're ready for you. The other legislators that have
been there for a while, they see they see somebody
who's naive and easily uh manipulated, easily easy.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
To change their mind.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
They they look for that. It's it's it's an awful
feeling to know that you're you maybe taken advantage of
your always on your guard, so uh, to have this
bureaucracy underneath all of this coming along, not caring about

(30:43):
the politics of the whole thing, even though they are
politically motivated in many cases, they just it's just business
as usual for them. We're going to do it our way,
and we're going to convince these folks that are ways
the best way, and that is really how it's going.
So when I when I looked at it, at this

(31:06):
latest article about the FBI, I think this is, you know,
long time coming. But uh, Pam Bondi is an FBI
Director Cash Battel are announcing now that the Missouri Attorney
General and Roe Bailey will assume a new role as

(31:27):
co Deputy director of the FBI. Bailey will share that
position with Van Bongino. So they're they're now getting him
some help for that that place as director of the FBI.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
And there's a reason for that. It's a big job.
Clearing out these bureaucracies is not just a one man task,
and they're finding that out that even though is appointing
some really fine folks, it's going to take a lot

(32:05):
of fine folks to dig through the millions, millions of
bureaucrats that are employed and to figure out how to downsize,
not only downsize, but also get rid of the ones

(32:25):
that are causing the issues within within our nation and
even within our states. Because this this just trickles right
on down.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
So I'm I'm glad to see this that they're they're
starting to beat this up looking for ways to, you know,
go after the things that we've we've been saying all along,
we need a cleanup. To do the cleanup, I'm not

(33:00):
sure because again remember what that legislator told, I mean
that bureaucrat told me, you're going to turn out because
we do have term limits in Nevada for all of
our all of our elected officials except the federal ones.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Now, is that I know you're not going to mention names,
but is that person still in the in the still
in the swamp?

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, And this is I opening to me and all
because I probably and like most people that think, well
it's the deep state is the politicians. But as you
were speaking, I was remembering Peter Struck at the FBI. Yes,
never he and his girlfriend. Yeah, not elected, not elected,

(33:52):
not elected. They worked for the FBI. They were determined
to stop Trump.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yes, and they did a determined job, didn't they.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
And the Russian hoaxes. It was about stopping Trump and
that that was internal for Yeah. So you know, so
where's the solution. Is this the end of civil service?

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Well, it's it certainly gives us caused cause, doesn't it.
And what what these civil servants are really doing? Many
of them they're difficult to find because they understand that
their job is supposed to be nonpartisan. One of the

(34:41):
best slogans that I've heard along my campaign is that
elections should not be political.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
They shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Elections are for everyone who's voting. It's not one political parties.
You know, if you're and if you're in charge, then
you're in charge of the elections and it's your policy. No,
it's they're not political, and that should go all the
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(35:16):
that that your politics need to be left at home.
And actually the Hatch Act was designed to do just
that with anybody who's a federal employee. They are not
allowed to participate in certain political activities because it brings
politics into what is supposed to be a non political job.

(35:40):
And I'm not saying nonpartisan. I'm saying non political. You
don't bring your political agenda to work with you.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
And so this.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Is really the issue. So they register a lot of
the time as nonpartisans, but they aren't really. They aren't
really And if you listen to them and watch them,
you see, oh my goodness, they have an agenda and
you know it's it's you can find it in school districts,
you can find it in just about any organization that

(36:17):
is a is a group of government workers. Of course,
they don't leave their free speech at the door. So
they can talk about what they want to talk about.
But there are certain activities that they just cannot be
involved in, uh if they're at the federal level because
of the Hatch Act, and that's really close to the line.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
That thing nonpartisan. Sure you're nonpirason, Sharon. It is a
break time once again. I mean, these springs seem to
come up faster than time then the time that you
would expect. But you are listening to and marching the
conservative commandos with Sharon Angle. I'm Rick Trader. Go nowhere.
We'll be back right after this break.

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Speaker 1 (40:41):
And welcome back. Welcome back to Conservative Commanders with Sharon
Angle and I'm Rick Trader, come a to you from
the MIPL studios and my Stewarge Studios of the a
U n TV network. After this segment, stay tuned because
we will be playing some of the best of interviews
here on the Conservative Commander that Sharon and I have

(41:02):
done over the recent past. So Sharon, name change, let's
talk about the name change.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
We should pat ourselves on the back a little bit here,
and that is because alternative media is starting now to
really take a good chunk of the audiences that were
almost exclusively with the big networks NBCABCCBS, and in fact

(41:35):
NBC was allowing spin offs of their corporations so that
they could grab even larger audiences and that's how we
got MSNBC, and MSNBC now has really felt the pinch

(41:56):
and they are deciding that they need to rebrand because
the MSNBC brand is not making it's not bringing their
audience back. So they think that just the name change
is going to writen everything up and they will regain

(42:17):
their audience. I you know, I'm thinking, how silly can
you be? They understand that they're losing their audience, but
somehow it escapes them the why why did you lose
your audience? It's not because of your name, silly, It's
because of what you're doing and what your You know,

(42:43):
you're not telling us the truth. Nobody wants to listen
to political propaganda. No one wants to listen to use
about soft communism. It's just, you know, people are just
so done with that. New branding isn't going to change

(43:05):
the audience appeal.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Not at all, not at all. How about this, be honest,
be honest, that's my that's what might get your audience back.
And by the way, we had a little interruption. Sorry
about that little interruption. That was Bobby who decided he
wanted to join this show. It's a family show, kids

(43:29):
pets are all welcome. Yeah, how about honesty? How about
reporting honestly? How about stop being the the mouth of
the Democrat National Committee? How about that? Maybe that'll help
bring your numbers back. What's in the name? I agree

(43:50):
with you, Sharon, changing changing their name isn't going to
bring any audience back to them. I would like to
know what genius thought it would.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
I would like their pr guy, the guy that's trying
to get paid for this wonderful rebranding.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I mean, it's going to cost a lot of money
to rebrand.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
It always does, and it's going to take scores and
scores and scores of promotionals and and videos and advertising,
and you know, they're just really gonna have to have
to do something. But if they don't get rid of

(44:31):
Rachel Maddout and the View and you know, the Today's
Show and some of these things that people just don't
want to watch it, they know what they're about. You know,
who watches Rachel Maddout anymore? She's you know, they make

(44:51):
fun of her. And why would they watch someone that
they make fun of? I mean they do in a
way watch or just have a good laugh, or just
to see what the other side is promoting now, But
you know, when your primetime ratings dropped fifty three percent
in twenty twenty four after the twenty twenty four election,

(45:15):
that's over a million viewers. And they're now behind Fox
and The Daily Caller. And you know, we're not we're
not really that in love with Fox, but they're better
than MSNBC. Why is that, Well, it's because they are

(45:36):
doing silly things with their programming as far as who
their posts are and what those hosts are are promoting.
That it's not going to help to rebrand again. They're
in the wrong. They're in the wrong liney. They signed

(45:58):
up to spend a lot of money to save a
sinking ship and the life preserve it that they chose,
it's an anchor, it's not a life I like.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
The analogy of the sinking ship. You take a sinking
ship and change name and you think now it's going
to float. It's still taking on water, still taking on
Where they've got the same host they got the same shows,
they're going to tell the same lies. And you know, Sharon,

(46:29):
people don't like to be lied to. And I think
that's what it's coming down to with these these alphabet networks.
People are realizing that they've been lied to by these people.
It's so you're going to go back to them. You know,
it's a dysfunctional relationship. These people continue to lie to them,

(46:51):
and you continue to listen to their promises.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
You know, well that's the pro function. Listen to this.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
So they aren't as tone deaf as you think, but
listen to this. Ms NBC also instructed their staff to
tone down their attacks on President Donald Trump. Just directed
the sparked discussions not about yeah, we realize he's very popular.

(47:22):
We should even get him on and let him, you know,
let him talk. No, no, no. Their discussion was about
journalistic independence and the whole approach to political coverage. So
they are they are sold out to their agenda, even
when it's pointed out that their attacks on President Trump

(47:45):
are causing a lot of the problem that's going on
with their sinking ship. In fact, their president, their president,
says this. She says that this new branding underscores our
mission to as a destination for breaking news and best
in the class opinion journal Opinion journalism all rooted in

(48:08):
accurate and reported facts.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
What unbelievable, unbelieved.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I'm so laughable, isn't it, Because they're again they're lying
to their audience, lying to their audience.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
For themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
With them lying to themselves, they're lying to the audience.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Well, they need to go to a twelve step program.
The first step is denial. They are in denial that
this is happening to them. They're not ready to face
it that what they've been doing is not best in
the class opinion journalism. That in itself is like what

(48:54):
journalism is not about opinions? Journalism is about the facts.
So what's this opinion journalism in the first place? And
then they say it's all rooted in accurate and reported facts. Well,
if there was any truth, they would still have an audience.
There's nothing accurate or factual about what they're doing. So

(49:18):
that writing itself is you know, they need they need intervention.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
That's well, they need to close up, is what they
need to do. I mean, it's no rebranding. You're not
going to re quote unquote re educate, reorientate these people.
I mean, it's it's a it's a lost cause. Uh CNN, MSNBC,

(49:47):
the Alphabet networks. They've really, really they've lost half their audience.
They really have or more.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
OK, and so now they're taking listen, listen, they're taking
the onion of Rachel Maddow. Here's what she says, if
there was ever time for us to change our name,
this is it because we're not just separating from NBC
News and corporate terms, we're competing with them now. So

(50:14):
she sees it as a break from NBC News.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And then.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
She goes on what NBC is doing is it's legacy
time slots, in its legacy time slots, Today's show Nightly
Meet the Press is just a world away from the
twenty four to seven totally independent news operation that we're
able to stand up now thanks to this spinoff. So
she's ready to go. I think she's ready to go.

(50:44):
I think she.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Get the you're out of here, Rachel.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
So it's it's just really interesting to see them really
just in the dying. I guess this is this is it.
It seems to to be the White House. Here's the
response from the White House. My response in yours.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh, it's it's a joke. Well, Sharon, let's get a
break in because we do have a couple of great
interviews that we're going to be playing here on the
Conservative Commandos with Sharon Angle. I'm Rick Trader. Go nowhere.
We'll start those interviews right after this break.

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Speaker 1 (54:37):
And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with Sharon Engel, and you're Shuley Rick Drader, coming
to you from the My Pila Studios and My Store
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our first guest of the day is with this and
take it away.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Well, it's my pleasure to introduce Lance LaRusso, who is
leading attorney found under a Blue Line Lawyer Institute, the
twenty twenty one National Fraternal Order of Police Attorney of
the Year, and author of When Cops Kill and Blue News.
Lance has appeared on CNN, Fox News Channel ABC and

(55:18):
numerous media outlets nationwide for his expertise. Lance, Welcome back
to the Conservative Commandos radio show.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Well, it's our pleasure, Lance, and it's really our pleasure
now that we're on the other side of this election,
because we've all been wondering what what's going to happen
if the other side won and they got their way
with the defund the police movement, which it seemed like
for the last four years that was really being pressed hard.

(55:55):
Tell us this side, now, how do you feel about
what happened in this election and how is law enforcement
taking it.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Yeah, it's a really interesting point because right after the election,
and keep in mind Donald Trump's not going to be
sworn in for some time now, but we immediately have
seen people openly backing up on the defund the Police movement,
which I have classified as the fastest conceived, implemented, and
failed social policy in United States history. It doesn't work.

(56:26):
Law enforcement knew it wasn't going to work. They were
the ones that told people, you're going to put vulnerable
communities even more in more vulnerable positions, and the less
of us that are available, the less we can protect them.
So now you're starting to see the refund the Police
movement the well, maybe we made a mistake, and fortunately

(56:48):
law enforcement still stepping up and taking care of taking
care of the communities.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Well, that's a sigh of relief on Ourien. I'm sure, Lancea.
I am leaved because we need these guys and this
is this is crazy to think that a community can
go without. However, it seems like the law itself is

(57:15):
undermining police authority. You know, I'm thinking of the crazy
law and we have it here too, that if your
loss is less than one thousand dollars, there's no prosecution.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Yeah, you know, and it's it's absolutely ridiculous. And I
knew that Rick would have his make America Great hat
on again, so I wanted to share my at with you.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Serve others live without fear.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
If we're talking about law enforcement, you know, that's basically
what they're doing every day. And when you bring this
arrest people only if they commit a crime under over
one thousand dollars. It is an arbitrary number. It is
SoundBite fodder, is all it is. Law enforcement officers are
responding to these crimes. And what's really interesting is people

(57:59):
talk about property crimes. Well, imagine you're a twenty year
old who is working in a big box store and
there's swarms of people coming in and robbing the store,
and they're doing it from the presence of people. It's
not just shoplifting. This is organized retail theft. The people
that work in those stores are not going to have
jobs if the bottom line gets to a point where

(58:21):
they have to move out. And that was a claim
to be a figment of the imagination of people like
me who said it was coming. But we've seen it.
We've seen communities where the big box stores pharmacies have
had to leave, they can't afford to work there anymore,
and all those jobs went with them.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
It's even kind of interesting when the store hasn't left,
how they have tightened things up just to make sure
that nobody walks out with anything. You know, there's in
the cosmetic department of Walmart, for instance, you can't buy
nail polish anymore without an attendant getting a key, getting

(59:02):
what you want, and she takes it and rings it
up for you, so there's no theft going on there.
The other thing is that, you know, you point out
the security in these stores, they're not they're not living
without fear. My daughter in a small town fell in Nevada.

(59:24):
She went into Walmart to buy some diapers. One evening,
about ten o'clock, some guys in hoodies came in, took
out two basketfuls of groceries and different things, and security
didn't stop them. And she says, aren't you gonna do
something about what just happened here? They didn't, you know,

(59:46):
they didn't check out, and he said, it's not worth
my life.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Yeah, And that's an interesting point because when we talk
about law enforcement, and you mentioned the arrest, every arrest
a law enforcement makes is an extremely danger you're a
thing to do. It doesn't matter whether it's a misdemeanor,
a felony, a DUI arrest, an arm robber, on a
on a warrant, they're all dangerous. We've had over three
hundred and five officers shot in the line of duty

(01:00:12):
so far this year, and we've had dozens ambushed. So
it's almost like a recognition. It's celebrating lawlessness. It's okay,
we're going to let this kind of lawlessness go unrecognized,
and we're going to ignore some of this some of
this stuff. But what they don't recognize is when people
are afraid. And that's where I think we saw this

(01:00:36):
voting out of some of the das who have been
soft on crime. When people are afraid, when they can't
go to the grocery store, when they can't go to
their office without fear, they are having an impingement on
their freedom. So when a law enforcement officer is there
and you know you're not going to be a victim
of a crime, you are more free to go about

(01:00:57):
your business. And I think what you saw in this
last election was a backlash. We want to be able
to walk around in a free society without being afraid
of becoming a crime victim.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Free society, but we have these laws. I'm going to
kind of circle back there. How can lawmakers they should
be This should be a heads up. I would think
this mandate that we have to get back to law
in order, if you will. How can lawmakers structure the
law to be more police friendly? How can we pressure

(01:01:34):
our representatives to do something that actually gives us more freedom?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
As you put out, well, I think one of the
first things they can do is to recognize that law
enforcement agencies cannot be the sole source of recruiting. So
if you have a three hundred person law enforcement agency,
which is huge in the United States, they may have
three or four people devoted to recruiting. So the communities

(01:01:59):
need to be so poorted in their efforts to go
find the best and the brightest to apply and get
the best training possible, have the money for the best
training possible, and then have incentives. The lawmakers can help
have incentives to keep the elders in the profession. There
and then when there is something that comes up, especially

(01:02:19):
when there's a controversy that comes up, or you see
a video and you see a snippet of the video
on the news, stop condemning people without understanding what actually occurred.
And I can help anybody who wants to look at
a video of law enforcement. The use of force, lawful
use of force will never look good on video. It

(01:02:39):
never will. And most people have no clue about the
dynamics of a use of force interaction, how fast it happens,
what's necessary to prevail and survive, but also what the
law allows officers to do. What we seem to be
doing in some of these states is we the projective

(01:03:01):
people seem to be focusing on, Well, the criminal has
a right to act how they want. We're just going
to regulate the officers and that's got to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I agree, but I don't know how you get that
across in some of these cities where lawlessness seems to
be actually valued. I'm thinking of Portland, Seattle, San Francisco.
It just seems like Detroit, Chicago. You go to a
big city and you feel like the police are hampered

(01:03:36):
because the government itself is so pro criminal, or at
least it feels that way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I think that sometimes you see those policies, but think
what's going to fall back to is the general citizenry.
You may have a couple of uh and I'll just
I'll be polite, But you may have a couple of
legislators or city council members who you know are self
important and live behind metal detectors and gated communities and

(01:04:05):
think that everybody else is just being silly when they
want to be safe. The vast majority of people support
the police. I tell law enforcement offsters around the United States,
don't listen to the noise. The public overwhelmingly supports you,
and they need to get to the town square. They
need to go to city council meetings. They need to
be writing op eds and telling the politicians who are

(01:04:29):
not supporting police, we're not going to support you in
the next election.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Oh from your lips to God's ears. And with that
we're going happening. I hope, so, I hope.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
I want to thank our guests for sticking with this,
and that's Lance LaRusso. He's a leading attorney, the founder
of Blueline Lawyer Ist Too. He's also the author of
the books When Cops Kill in Blue Line News. Thank
you for holding through that break. We really appreciate your time. Lance.

(01:05:08):
Safety was one of the major major issues of this
past election, safety, the border security, crime, crime prevention, and
I I'm really seeing the penulum swing back to where
it should be, to where somebody should be able to

(01:05:31):
walk the streets in safety and comfort. And wanted to
get your take on that. You know, we saw in
California Proposition thirty six pass, which would increase criminal penalties
for theft and certain drug related crimes. And I think
that the Left for quite a while has says, oh,

(01:05:53):
we've got to go soft on drug related crimes. But
it seems to me and Lance here the professional, That's
why I'm asking the question. These drug related crimes, it
seems to me, or make up the majority of crime
is that correct.

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
It has. Most crime has some sort of a connection
to drugs. Either people are committing the crimes while on drugs,
they're committing the crimes to get drugs, they're committing drugs
to support a drug habit, or they're just in the
drug trade. And you know, we've dealt with this for years,
for forty years, we've heard drugs are a victimless crime. Well,
you know what I want Whitney Houston back. You know

(01:06:34):
we had you know, Matthew Perry died of a drug overdose,
and everybody went crazy. Everybody wanted someone prosecuted. People die
of drug overdoses every day. Fentanyl is killing people. And
yet you still have individuals that are claiming that if
we penalize the possession of drugs, we're going to catch

(01:06:55):
somebody who smoked one marijuana joint and got caught. There
are people who are selling poison to children and they
are getting out of prison. And if you look at
like Proposition thirty six, the people who were against that,
you can look up online and hear what they say, Well,
it's going to increase the spending in prisons by millions

(01:07:17):
of dollars. It's going to increase the number of people
in prison. They don't mention the fact that the drugs
themselves are dangerous and you know, doing something to fix
it is beneficial to society.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Lance didn't mean the snicker. You may want Whitney Houston back.
I want my nieces back. Yeah, I want my wife's
nephew back. It seems like drug and drug death has
hit every family. I don't know if any family that
hasn't hit. So, you know, forget this garbage that drugs

(01:07:58):
is a victim of this crime. It is a huge, huge,
huge crime. Lanson wanted to talk with you for a
minute about this Daniel Perry trial in New York and
the parallels to the George Floyd trial in incident in
Minnesota few years back. What's your take on this the

(01:08:20):
I'm sorry, the Daniel Penny trial, I said, Perry meant
Daniel Penny. You know, here was a marine or an
ex marine who's riding the subway. A man got on
and he was acting very weird, threatened to hurt people,
wanted to go back to jail, and he said somebody

(01:08:41):
is going to get hurt today or somebody's going to
die today. And this man, Daniel Penny, stopped in and
tried to restrain this man while he ended up dead.
It kind of reminds me of the George Floyd incident,
and I wanted to get your take.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
So the parallels between the two are are very very slim,
but this is the parallels that I would draw first
and foremost with the trial in New York, the Penny
trial in New York. This concept that people cannot help themselves,
that people cannot use force to protect themselves and others,
is absolutely detrimental to people being safe in society. And

(01:09:22):
if you remember when that happened, the first thing people said, well,
why did he Why did he intervene at all? Because
he's not going to stand there and watch people get threatened.
But I think one very very important point that we
can take as a parallel for both of these cases,
and I was a kind of a commentator for the
George Floyd trial, this issue of whether or not drugs

(01:09:44):
were the cause of someone's death, and when we talk
about legally whether a drug caused someone's death when there
has been a physical confrontation. We saw this with the
Eric Garner case in New York. We've seen this with
other cases, especially with in custody debts. The drugs that
are on the street are perfectly capable of killing people.

(01:10:06):
And when you have somebody who is acting in an inappropriate, dangerous,
and irrational manner and they're taking drugs, this concept that
you had some other way to deal with them when
they're an altered when in an altered mindset is just nonsense.
And I'll get back to a second. I want to
pull this back to this whole concept of de escalation.

(01:10:29):
We expect a twenty six year old law enforcement officer
with some experience to be able to de escalate anything.
It doesn't matter what somebody does. And to Sharon's point,
the same people who will stand in the well of
the Senate of a state legislature, they can't negotiate and
de escalate Uncle Bob off of the wedding platform and

(01:10:51):
the microphone at his daughter's wedding when he's drunk. They
can't get their neighbor to put their keys down on
New Year's Eve and keep from driving home. So there
are people, the vast majority of people that law enforcement
are dealing with on a regular basis are drunk, They
are impaired by alcohol, or they are impaired by mental illness,

(01:11:13):
and to get a concept that the officer's actions were
not perfect because there was an imperfect resolution or outcome
is just absolutely pernicious. It is invading not only are
Lexicon and our TV and our movies, it's now invading
the courtroom.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Well, when Nick got a fellow like Daniel Penny who
got involved because he thought he was helping people, what's
to say to the next person who gets into a
situation with there is a problem. Are people going to
just say, hey, I don't want to be involved, or
are they going to be like Daniel Penny and get

(01:11:56):
involved and then have to pay the consequences for it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Well, we've had people saying that for years, going back
to the seventies. I believe it was the Kitty Genevieve
trial when people were not intervening it because they were afraid,
not only afraid of their own safety, but now they're
afraid of some of the consequences, and we have prosecutors
and we have politicians going after them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
The other issue, this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Really started a few years ago with this whole concept
of guardians versus warriors. You know, should a law enforcement
officer be a guardian or a warrior. Well, nobody ever
called nine to one one hiding from a bad guy
under the under the kitchen table, hoping that a guardian
would show up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Or a social worker. You know. Okay, today is Thanksgiving
and in New York and Thanksgiving, they always have the
amaziest Thanksgiving day break recently in New York and illegal
and illegal alien as I call him, I'm not very

(01:12:59):
politically correct. I call them what they are, illegal aliens
accosted a prosecutor, held her up, and then sexually harassed her. Lance.
Do you think that's what it's going to take for
a lot of prosecutors to get tough on crime, that

(01:13:20):
it has to happen to them for somebody that they love.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Well, it's an interesting, you know concept. Policy has always
been described as it depends on whose ox is getting goored.

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
And I think that you're going to see when there's
an uprising by citizenry saying we've had enough, that's what's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
Going to change it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
You know, New York City Police Department has been getting
bashed by people about the way they handle crime, about
not handling crime enough. They do an outstanding job and
an incredibly, incredibly densely populated community and they're assaulted, their shop,
they're killed, and the amounts of the salts that they

(01:14:01):
put up with on a regular basis is just staggering.
Like I said, we've had three hundred and five officers
shot in the line of duty this year so far.
So what is it going to take. I think it's
going to take people to speak up. There's no doubt
that people support law enforcement. And to Sharon's point we
were talking earlier about the election, I think what's changed

(01:14:23):
is people being willing to say, yeah, you know, I'm
one of those people. I've had it. I don't want
to be, you know, be afraid to open my small
business in the downtown area anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Well's I think not only all the things you talked about,
there's got to be a great deal of frustration. For instance,
I was talking to a lady whose daughter dates the
New York City police officer, and what he said was,
he'll arrest someone, book them. That person will be back

(01:14:58):
out on the street before the police officers shift is over.
And could you talk with us about the relationship between
the police and the prosecutors. The police are trying to
do their job, They're resting people prosecutors are letting them go.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Well, and keep in mind, in some cases, even when
the prosecutors are trying to enforce the law and do
the right thing, you have policies that were put in
place by individuals. Let's say the no cash bond, so
I could talk about that for a second. So eighth
Amendment to the United States Constitution. You have to have
a reasonable bond put in place. The purpose of bond

(01:15:38):
is to ensure your appearance and trial. And this is
where the pendulum just went. It didn't even swing, it
fell off the clock. When you're saying that some people
are staying in jail and they're not able to bond
out because their bond is too high, that's a purpose
to have a bond hearing and have a judge intervene.

(01:15:58):
But instead of recognize there were ways to fix that,
they said, we're just going to do away with cash
bail and nobody has to post anything. And it's failed.
Every city, every state that has put it into place,
has the story or the hundred stories of how somebody
has been arrested, has distinguished themselves and now we have

(01:16:22):
a lot of stuff on body camera. They have distinguished
themselves as being dangerous, they get arrested, as you said,
they're out of they're out of jail before the tour
is over, and then they reoffend within twenty four hours.
It's time to recognize if policy failed.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Then who's the next victim? Who's the next victim of
these people that are let out? I mean, we are
and it's supposed to be the honest person that's protected
from the dangerous person. And apparently these prosecutors are not
getting it. These politicians aren't getting it. But perhaps because

(01:17:01):
of the last election, perhaps it's not Perhaps it's going
to change now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Well, it's really interesting because I hear people talk about
no accountability for police. You know, I've represented just shy
of one hundred and eighty law enforcement officers who've been
involved in shootings, and we represent officers all the time
when they are criticized, when they're condemned, and when they
make mistakes and they're held accountable. But in those let's
say that no cash bail situation, or when people are

(01:17:32):
given a pass and they're not prosecuted, the judges making
those decisions and the prosecutors making those decisions have immunity,
absolute immunity. And while they're talking about doing away with
qualified immunity for law enforcement. I don't think I don't
see those folks stepping up and saying we'll surrender our
immunity as well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
L'stllor Riss that we want to thank you for joining
us year in the Conservative Commanders. But before you go,
tell us a little bit about the Good Line Lawyer Institute.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
So, the Blue Line Lawyer Institute is a think tank
for law enforcement officers and the attorneys who represent them.
We study everything from recent case law to use to
force interactions, and we study the dynamics, the realistic dynamics
of use of force. We also focus a lot on
officer resiliency because we've had a lot of officers that

(01:18:25):
you know, good or bad. This job takes a toll
on The statistics I heard was that the average person
will experience a post traumatic stress inducing event not disorder,
post traumatic stress normal response to a horrible situation about
three or four times in their lifetime. A public safety

(01:18:46):
officer over twenty years may experience seven hundred. So we're
dedicated to trying to help them, keeping the good people
in the profession and helping advance the study of the
science of law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
How can anybody be normal? Then? How can a police
officer be normal? How could they lead a normal life
after witnessing all those traumatic events. I mean, it's got
to affect them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
It affects them. But you know they have big hearts.
And if you will, Matthew five nine, blessed are the
peacemakers and God looks out after him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Lansa, tell your books when cops kill him? Blue News
how can people get them?

Speaker 4 (01:19:30):
They can get them at blue Line Lawyer dot com.
And of course you know you can buy them on
Amazon because you buy everything on Amazon. So we have
my first novel, Hunting of Man, and then we have
a book called Peacemaking about a cops walk with Christ
that talks a lot about what these the struggles that
officers go through.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
All right, Lance Luruso again, we want to thank you
so much for joining us. Take care, God bless and
have a wonderful thanksgiving you too.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Thanks for having me and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
You are listening too and watching the Conservative Commanders with
Sharon Angle. I'm Rick Trader. On the other side, we're
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Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
And Welcome back, Welcome back to The Conservative Commander's Radio
Show with Sharon Angle and your shrely Rick Trader and
you know Sharon. The other day, in putting to get
today's show together for Thanksgiving, I wanted to kind of
wrap it up with some wisdom. I wanted to wrap
it up with a blessing. I wanted to wrap it

(01:24:25):
up with a feeling of Thanksgiving. And I called her
next and I said, could you join us? Could you
join us for a Thanksgiving show and let's talk about
all the things that we're thankful for. And Sharon, please
make the introduction of our next guest.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
It's always my pleasure to introduce.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
Judge Phil Gin was appointed President a Southern Evangelical Seminary
in April of twenty twenty one after a distinguished career
as both a lawyer and a judge. He holds a
be A from Appalachian State University and a jd from
the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and a

(01:25:08):
Doctor of Ministry from Southern Evangelical Cemetery. Prior to his
appointment as SEES President, Judge Gen served as SEES Chairman
of the Board of Trustees. Judge Gin, Welcome back to
the Conservative Commandos Radio show.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
It's always my pleasure to be with you guys. It's
always a lot of fun and a very learning experience
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Thank you. It's fun for us as well. And you know,
one of the things that kind of surprises me, I
guess about this holiday is that people don't really understand
this holiday very well anymore. Today I was at the
gym and somebody said, well, happy Turkey Day to you,

(01:25:57):
and I thought, but that's not what it's up at
out And you've written a great article why a thankful
heart is the key to genuine worship. So let's talk
about Thanksgiving and what is truly about.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
Well, you know, sharing The reality is that we get
so many sordid versions of the original Thanksgiving and it
was truly a three day event that the Pilgrims used
to thank God for the provisions, provisions that he gave

(01:26:35):
to them. When he became a national holiday under President Lincoln,
it was at the town when when the nation was divided,
and it was a it was a call back to
a thankfulness of who we are as Americans and to
what God has provided for us, particularly as Americans and
as followers of Christ and as well and We've got

(01:26:59):
so much to be thankful for and so much to
focus on as opposed to those things which divide us. Certainly,
those things that divide Christians are so important to us seemingly,
but they're not nearly as important as those things which
unite us.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
And I guess the other thing that I want to
clear up is why are we giving thanks?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
And to whom do we give thanks? You know, this
is the other thing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
You know, somebody might say to me today and they
have happy Thanksgiving, But what is Thanksgiving? It's a rare
and unique holiday just to Americans.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
Well, you know, I was raised by a Southern lady
who expected you to say thank you, who expected you
to if you've got a gift or somebody did something
for you. Even as a nine or ten year old boy,
I had the torture sitting down and writing a thank

(01:28:01):
you note to them that was mailed properly, and I
had to say the right things before it went out.
And we've gotten away from that. I guess it's partly
because of our expectations of somebody treating us especially, we've
gone so far away from the thank you part of

(01:28:21):
it that we get triggered if we're not if we're
not treated as as something as somebody's pet. You know,
I just don't understand it. Sharing to be honest with you,
because I am a thankful person. I understand that it's
not because of me that any good thing happens to me.

(01:28:44):
And it's only by the grace of God that you
can look at my wife and know that I outpunted
my coverage and so I can't take credit for winning
my wife's heart. It had to be the Lord that
did that for me. So, you know, all those good things,
things that really actually mean so much to us that
we don't give a lot of thought process to. You know,

(01:29:09):
we worry. I'm one of those two that worries about money.
Everybody every family needs to worry about money. And the
month gets too long for the money sometimes at my house,
just like it does everybody else's. But my gosh, you
wake up and I had heat this morning when it's
chili and boone. I had you know, secure home. I

(01:29:34):
had loved ones that woke up. My wife woke up
next to me, My grandchildren woke up in the room
and and they were cheerful, and they were happy, and
you know, coming through the hurricane that hit western North
Carolina not so long ago. Man, those little things are
so important to us. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Well, you point out in your article that we need
to be thankful to the people that are around us,
if you truly are grateful for them. This is a
great time of year to say thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
I tried that. I just I just made the effort.
And my wife and I had just a moment which
we rarely have of uh, where we almost have to
make appointments to meet with one another. But I just
got her, held her close and told her, I said, honey,

(01:30:29):
I'm thankful for you, and she leaned back and kind
of looked at me. Funny, where is this coming from?
And it's there's magic in the words that we say,
and we so often just take you know, even words
like I love you become nothing more than just another

(01:30:53):
word for goodbye, I see you later. Be careful of
whatever those things, whatever those words are, are, And I
just think it's so important just to stop and to
look people in the eye, particularly those who you love,
who you oftentimes take the most for granted, and say
to them, I'm thankful for you, not only for what

(01:31:16):
you have done for my life, but who you are
as well, you're special. To give that idea to them
that you really believe they're special, it will do wonders,
I think for marriages. I think it will do wanderers,
for broken relationships. I just, uh, it worries me about

(01:31:39):
the divisiveness in America and even those who we think
are are diametrically opposed to what we believe and what
we know that they are Americans. And we're gonna if
if America gets in a bad spot in the not
too distant future, which we may very well do, we're

(01:32:01):
gonna we're gonna need some folks that we don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Well, you know, that just brings brings up that point.
You know, if you're grateful that you have good neighbors,
that they keep their line up and they make it
good for you to live in your neighborhood, tell them
thank you. But the bottom line in your article, which
I think we need to get to, is that this

(01:32:29):
is a day of thanksgiving to God. So that was
really where that whole declaration of this is going to
be a national Thanksgiving Day was grounded our president at
the time, I believe it was Abraham Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
You can correct me.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
But I would never do that, because you're always right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
No, no, I'm not, and our listeners know it. They often.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
I think she kind of messed with that a little bit.
But you know, I was thinking he was living during
a hard, hard time in our nation's history, and yet
he said, we need to be thankful to God as
a nation. How's the best way to express that?

Speaker 5 (01:33:21):
Jo, I'm going through the Book of Revelation with a
Bible study that I teach at Sees. We've got about
sixty or seventy people that come every Wednesday, and we
live stream it. We have probably another eighty folks or
so that watch by live stream or by delayed broadcast

(01:33:44):
because we do record it and you can watch it
at your leisure if you can't attend. But mostly I'll
call him the tour individuals who have been through life
for a little while. We have some relatively young people.
I'm probably middle of the road in terms of age.
There's some younger than me, but some older than me.

(01:34:04):
And I got to the fourth Chapter of Revelation and
was studying it, and I realized that we have a
scene of the first worship service that's recorded in Heaven
and John looks through the open door of heaven and
he sees four living creatures. The King James calls them beasts,

(01:34:26):
but that's not really exactly what they are. That's just
referred to as four living creatures. And he also noted
that there were twenty four elders and ultimately they ended
up in a worship service.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
For God, and.

Speaker 5 (01:34:42):
Something jumped out at me, which I'm awfully glad that
it does. As you read scripture over and over again,
something oftentimes will jump out at me and say, gee,
I never saw that before. And the one thing that
I noticed about this is that the living creatures worship
God for who he is. But when it came to

(01:35:04):
the twenty four elders, and I'm one of these pre
millennious crazy people who believe that those twenty four elders
probably are representative of christ Church here that has been
raptured into heaven and this is a future scene for John,
and those twenty four elders are worshiping God for what
he's done. So there's two different things, two different ways

(01:35:28):
of approaching God in worship and in thankfulness. Because worship
emanates when it comes to God. Total worship of God
emanates from a thankful heart. If we're not thankful, there's
no basis for worship. And so these folks approach God
from two different angles, very legitimate angles. But the living
creatures can't know what those twenty four elders know. And

(01:35:53):
what Christ followers know is that Christ's blood and death
on the cross is substitutionary death on the cross. It's
the greatest gift we could ever be given. And you
know that's something that is remarkable to us who are
followers of Christ and who acknowledge the lordship of Christ.

(01:36:16):
So we not only can worship God for who he is,
and that's very awesome in and of itself. I don't
want to detract from that, but we also have the
capacity to know what God has done for us, and
so that ought to bring forth in us a worshipful heart,
a thankful heart. And if we have a thankful heart
toward God, then it makes it a lot easier to

(01:36:41):
be thankful for other people than to be thankful for
all those who are around us, and to pay a
little bit better attention to them in terms of positiveness
as opposed to I can promise you if my wife
wanted to look for reasons for a divorce. She could
find many during any given day. I'm so thankful that

(01:37:01):
she looks for the positive things in me and is
thankful for those positive things and encourages those positive things
in me. And so we need to do that in
our personal relationships. And we can only do that if
we have a thankful heart toward God for who he
is and for what He's done.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Absolutely, there is so much to be thankful for. I
think of Squanto every Thanksgiving. I think of how God
prepared Squanto to receive the Puritans by you know, it
looked like a bad thing shipped off to England, but
that's where he meant Jesus, and once he knew Jesus,

(01:37:41):
he was ready to receive these Jesus followers in this
new world.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Guess, Judge Phil Gin he's the president of the Southern
Evangelical Seminary and we're discussing way thankful heart is the
key to genuine worship. And thank you for holding through
that break. I really do appreciate your time, judgement. I'm thankful.

(01:38:07):
I wake up just about every day thankful that I
hit the lottery, not the monetary lottery, but the lottery
of being born in the United states of art. I
think I hit the lottery in to paraphrase the movie,
It's a wonderful life. It's a rich man who has friends.

(01:38:29):
So I'm very, very grateful and thankful for that. Like
Sharon Angle, Jeorsh llanderth and Judge Phil Gain money, you
mentioned that sometimes money is not easy to come by,
even for you and your family. Well, I think about money,
and I think would money make me any happier? And

(01:38:49):
I think about all the people who do have riches,
and yet their lives don't seem to be that happy.
So I come away in thinking money maybe a yard
stick to success and happiness, but it is not the
only yard stick to happiness. And I think that happiness

(01:39:15):
is an attitude. People are happy because they want to
be happy, or they're not happy because they keep searching
for happiness that's elusive. And as you write in your article,
it comes from the heart. Just wanting to run that

(01:39:35):
by you and see if anything I said makes sense
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:39):
Absolutely, Rick, I think that as far as Christians go
to try to count myself amongst that group, sometimes we
get this concept that if we come to Christ, that
our circumstances should be much better than other folks circumstances.
And we see that a lot with the with some

(01:40:00):
of the TV preachers, who who who tell us that
that that we can be healed if we have enough faith,
if we you know, can have a Cadillac in our yard,
if we have enough faith. Uh, you know, our mortgage
gets paid if we have enough faith, and and all
of that sort of thing. But what I what I've
come to realize, is that oftentimes our circumstances don't improve

(01:40:28):
when we come to the Lord. In fact, oftentimes they
get worse when we come to the Lord. The difference
is to fall one. It's never depended upon my faith
in my relationship with Christ. It's always depended upon Christ himself.

(01:40:52):
My faith is just a reaction to what He's already accomplished. Now,
the second thing is that even though my circumstances may
be unchanged, they may be worse, they could be better,
whatever my lot in life may be, I am no
longer set alone against those circumstances, because I now I

(01:41:12):
have somebody to walk through those circumstances with me eternally,
and that is Jesus Christ. And so that's what I'm
so thankful for. As I faced this apostle, Paul wrote.
You know, he said, I know how to be abased,
I know how to be raised up. I know all
of these different factions of existence in my life, and

(01:41:35):
yet through it all, the one constant thing is Jesus Christ.
And so if we have that in our lives, we
have everything in the world to be thankful for and
nothing to fear, according to Paul, and I believe that
from scripture.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
You know, what I've found me is in Judge getting
was to go to the holding let and to walk
in the footsteps of Jesus. And what that opportunity did
for me is it took the Bible itself out of
the realm of this is just a story, and it

(01:42:17):
made it history. It was very fortunate that when we
went on that trip, we went with priests, that the
reading we had mass wherever we went, and the readings
were pertaining to where we were. And you mentioned in
your article with the Sea of Galilee, and one of

(01:42:38):
the most amazing things to me during that trip was
having mass in a boat on the Sea of Galilee.
And that simple act, that simple act, Judge Cain, brought
me closer to Jesus. It seriously did going to Turin,

(01:43:01):
Italy and seeing the Shroud of Turin, and in my opinion,
the Shroud of Turin is an artifact of the greatest
paranormal event of all time, that was the resurrection of
Jesus Christ. To go to the Church of the Nativity

(01:43:23):
and be able to touch and kiss the place where
Jesus was born, where Jesus was born, to go to
the Church of the Holy Sepulcher where he died, I mean,
I feel grateful that I was able to find these
things in my life, and none of it had anything

(01:43:47):
to do with money, per se, other than what it
caused us to take the trip. But I love the
story of Jesus, and I love it more. I love
it more having been to the place where he was born,

(01:44:07):
to the place where he lived, the place where he
died was resurrected, seeing the shroud of Turin. And by
the way, if folks out there don't know what the
Shroud of Turin is, find out for yourself. To me,
it's it's an amazing artifact that all these scholars, all

(01:44:30):
these worldly people can tell you everything that it's not
this image of on this cloth, it's not ink, it's
not paint. It's not die it's not pencil, it's not crayon.
They can tell you everything that it isn't, but they
can't tell you how that mark was made. And for me,

(01:44:57):
the answer is simple. It was the light, the heat,
the energy, whatever it took that created that image on
that cloth. And I dare for anybody that can experience
the things that I experienced to say the story of

(01:45:22):
Jesus is made up, you know judgement. I for one,
for a long time thought, well, I don't know about
the story of Jesus. I mean, you know, you hear
all these stories and rumors and whatever. But for me,

(01:45:43):
it was discovering that he was real and that the
root of Christianity is real. And that's for me as
the Resurrection.

Speaker 5 (01:45:57):
Oh that's what sets us apart from everybody else. Let
me just say the trout of touring. My friend Gary
habermas H J B. E. R N E. S. Has
done a wonderful work on that. He is probably the
foremost authority on the resurrection in the United States. He's
from Liberty University, professor there and very smart men and

(01:46:19):
he's just released a work on the Shroud of Turin.
And if your folks are really wanting to look into that.
That would be a good source for that. You're right.
I referenced time on the Sea of Galiley when the
storm rose and Jesus was not with the disciples. He'd
sent them on ahead, and they were greatly in fear

(01:46:42):
of their lives, and for good reason, and Jesus came
to them walking on the water. And since Jesus came
to them in a way that they weren't expecting, they
almost missed him. In fact, they thought he was a ghost.
And when they realized who he was, and he came
into the boat with him, and he's stilled the storm.
And history is recorded there in scripture that all through

(01:47:08):
the Gospels up till that time, they had called him rabbi,
they had called him friend, they had called him something
special certainly from time to time. But that's the first
time in all of scripture, according to Matthew, that they
actually knelt and worshiped him as Lord. And it was

(01:47:32):
because they had this was the time they had been saved.
And so I can't help but have that feeling, Rick,
because I know what He's done for me, and I
know what he's done in my life, and that leads
me to worship because I am the one who has

(01:47:53):
been saved, and I am amazed by again who God is.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
It's kind of like an amiba trying to understand the
world of the scientist on the other end of the microscope.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't know everything there
is to know about God. He's so awesome. But I
would not want to serve a God that I knew
everything about. I wouldn't want that because that would make
him no better than me. But I also worship God

(01:48:26):
because of his love for me so undeserved. I worship
him because he's not. He didn't say he didn't save
me because of who I am. He to say he
saved me despite who I am. And I expect, Ricky,
if we were all honest with each other, that would
be the case with every one of us. He saved

(01:48:48):
us despite of who we are. But the beauty of
it is that he doesn't want to leave us the
way we are. He wants us to be more and
more and more like him. And and it's a journey
for me. I'm not nearly as successful in journey as
I often want to be, but it is a journey.

(01:49:09):
Nonetheless that I'm more than willing to walk and look
forward to walking over the next few years of my life,
whatever the Lord gives to me. But let me tell you,
you know, if we're not interesting in worship here on
this earth, we might want to really rethink whether or
not we want to go to heaven, because that's what

(01:49:30):
we're going to be doing when we get there, and
I'm looking forward to that. How do I say thanks
to somebody like God or to an entity like God?
That Revelation, the Book of Revelation recognizes that these twenty

(01:49:53):
four elders received crowns. And I don't know the basis
for the crowns. There's some real it's in the Bible
that those of us who get to heaven may receive crowns.
I don't know. But in the fourth and fifth chapter
of Revelation we find a remarkable thing that those crowns
are cast at the feet of Jesus in worship. So

(01:50:16):
I expect if I get a crown. I don't know
whether I will or not. I'll just be satisfied to
get there. But if I get a crown, it may
be momentarily satisfying to me to have a crown. But
then when I think of what Jesus has done, I'm
not gonna want my crown. Glory belongs to him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Do you think the crowd is itself is something tangible?
There's something intangible fact.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
I can't answer that question. That's beyond my grade. But
you know, when for me it's the Book of Revelation,
it appears to be a tangible thing. It appears to
be a crown on the head of the elders that
they take off off of their head and and just

(01:51:03):
basically throw it at the feet of Jesus in honor
and glory. And I see, I almost get the image
of the palm branches being laid in front of the
of him on the donkeys, and the triumphal entry.

Speaker 10 (01:51:17):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:51:18):
And you know, let me let me just say this.
John was described as a disciple whom Jesus loved. We
see him at the Last Supper reclining on the bosom
of Jesus.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:51:35):
He oftentimes gives advice to Jesus. It may not have
been good advice, but he felt strong enough to give
advice to Jesus. He was one of the ones whose
mother came with his brother James and said, Lord, I
want one on the one one side and one on
the other side. But in the first chapter of Revelation,
when John is faced with the post incarnate Christ, it

(01:51:59):
records that he fell on his face as though he
were dead. That was his response. And so if John
was one who knew him the best here on this earth,
I expect that I'm not going to have a lot
to be able to say to Jesus when I meet him,

(01:52:19):
because I think I'll be falling on my face as
though I was dead. I'm no better than John. I
can't promote myself any more than that. Because of that
awesomeness of not only again who Jesus is, but what
he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
It amazes me. You know, here we are, we've elected
a president, and this president is surrounding himself that looks
to me like very good people. And I think about
the people that Jesus surrounded himself with. None of these

(01:53:01):
were perfect people. They were all flawed people, but they
there was something there that caused these flawed people to
follow Jesus, to give up their lives and to follow him.
And I think that had to take a lot of

(01:53:22):
courage for them to do. We have the We have
the advantage today to know the story of Jesus, the life,
the birth, the life, the death, the resurrection. We have
that we're we're we're given that honor and that privilege.

(01:53:42):
But these people who the twelve disciples that followed him
and the others that followed him too, that was the faith.
And I think that where I'm getting at is faith
is faith because many times there may be nothing tangible

(01:54:05):
to have faith in other than the individual himself. And
I look at Jesus as being a radical. What I
mean by that is the Jews expected a great leader,
they expected a general, they expected a military man. What

(01:54:27):
we got is we got a man of peace and
love and says this is how we solve our differences
through peace, love and understanding. And that's why I see
Jesus is so radical.

Speaker 5 (01:54:45):
And Rick, I agree with you, and I know our
time is short. There's a couple of things along.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
I gotta let you go. I kept you along again.

Speaker 5 (01:54:53):
Number one. You know, Jesus does talk a lot about Hell,
and in fact, he talks a lot more about Hell
than he does love in scripture. And so we need
to understand that there is a say, salvation from from
something and and that's that's important to me. I'll want

(01:55:14):
to avoid hell. I want I do and and and
that's important in my relationship but with with Christ. But
but the concept of spending forever with Christ in heaven
is is something far more valuable than just avoiding heat hell.
And as I go through this, I would say to
you that faith is very important and and everybody has

(01:55:35):
faith in something.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:55:36):
My mentor, doctor Geisler, and and my friend Frank Turik
wrote a book called I Don't Have Enough Faith to
be an Atheist, and the point of that is that
we all put our faith in something. Uh, let's look
at and what's worthy. Let me tell you something that
I'm really thankful for this Christmas or excuse me, Thanksgiving
and Christmas as it comes up as well.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:55:59):
You know, I'm thankful that we have a president that's
going to allow us some freedom of worship. I'm so
thankful for that. There there's lots of other things to
be thankful for. I see a new spirit in America
that what that did not exist before the election. And
that's partly the euphoria that that post elections give to us.
I guess in some instances one of the things I'm

(01:56:22):
most thankful for right now is that I see a
spirit of revival in our nation. I'm excited about where
this is going to go. I'm talking with folks all
around the country, and I'm not the only one that's
seen that. Rick can share in our little church here
in Boone, North Carolina's next door to Appalachian State University,

(01:56:45):
and we now we have we have a sanctuary that
will see about two hundred people on any given Sunday
if we pack them in really tightly. And and I
guess five years ago we had about eighty to one
hundred people coming every Sunday. Right now we're averaging over
five hundred per week, and seventy percent of those are

(01:57:06):
under the age of thirty. And I would say the
vast majority of those are Appalachian State University students. Something's
happening on the campus. God's becoming real to this generation.
And you know, one of the things I would say,
you talked about Jesus being a radical, and if you
want to be a radical, if you want to be
counter cultural right now, you need to come to Christ

(01:57:28):
in our nation. And I want to quickly say that
as Southern Evangelical Seminary. We started this concept of Truth
that Matters, and I was almost late to this taping
because of being on a conference call with some other folks.
We're starting a discipleship program at SEES that's going to

(01:57:54):
be called Truth that Matters, and it has the capacity
to change the Church in America and it's a multiplication
factor that has never existed before. The initiative that we've
got is something new, it's something cutting edge. We're starting
out in North and South Carolina and in the state
of California Rick by the way, So it's an opportunity

(01:58:17):
for you guys out there to be in on this
beginning point of something that's really wonderful and it's going
to become a network of disciple makers that is going to,
in my humble opinion, have the ability to change the
course of the Church in America. And God knows we

(01:58:37):
need that. Sixty eight percent of people in America claim
to be Christian, only six percent six point zero six
agree or understand and have a biblical worldview. So the
church without regard and we've got to change that because
God has given us his word to know Him and

(01:58:58):
we need to get people back in that word, and
we need to refocus our nation and we've got at
least two years to do that because there's not going
to be another election for two years, and so we've
got two years to do that. And I'm so excited
about that opportunity. And I just think it's time for
the people in this nation who call themselves Christians to

(01:59:19):
stand up and be heard and to proclaim the Gospel.
And not only that, but you know that the Great
Commission doesn't tell us to go on and evangelize. It
says go and make disciples. So that's what we're going
to be about for the next two years, and until
the Lord stops us, we're going to continue to do it.
At s Yes, we just look forward to it. And
I just thank you guys for letting us be a

(01:59:39):
part of your lives as well as me coming on
your show from time to time. I have so much
fun in doing it, as I told you, and I
love to see both of you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Well, thank you, Jess Can. We love having you on
in But for right now, we are out of time.
It means we got to run and we got to
go take care of Godless. We'll see it tomorrow, borrow
and that's going to be on TV and on radio.

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