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Fred Lucas is the Manager of the Investigative Reporting Project at The Daily Signal. He is an award-winning journalist and veteran White House correspondent who has written and reported for Fox News, Newsweek, National Review, History Magazine Quarterly, The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, TheBlaze, Townhall, The Federalist, The National Interest, The American Spectator, The American Conservative, and other outlets.  Fred will discuss that the House Oversight and Accountability Committee is seeking testimony from three Democrat governors on their states’ sanctuary policies - Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, and Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker. Fred will also discuss how hardcore Leftist Rep. Jasmine Crocket is being investigated for federal election legal violations and how the corrupt Act Blue is part of the illegal activities.

Stephanie Taub serves as Senior Counsel with First Liberty Institute, focusing on restoring religious liberty in the marketplace.  At First Liberty, she advocates for the rights of employees and business leaders of faith to work with integrity, consistent with their religious convictions. Taub has authored pieces published by National Review and the Federalist Society and has appeared on Fox News. The Texas Review of Law and Politics published her article on federal employment law protections for faith-based employers. The article elaborates on the statutory right of religious institutions to cultivate communities of faith.  Stephanie will discuss how the Trump Administration's working to protect religious freedom and religious rights and promote religious tolerance and how DEI standards are often used to attack religious freedom and people of faith. For example, radical gender ideology is often used to attack people of faith who have traditional values.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everybody, and welcome Phillip Patriots, Welcome fell de plorabulls,
Welcome all of you Drakes the Society of Rockweller's you're
sick offense and stinkos, of course you know what we
mean by that. We mean friends, Allie's patriots actually, and
you're always going to be welcome here. And this is
the Conservative Commander's Radio show. And I'm Rick Trader coming

(00:29):
to you from the my Pillar studios to my store
studios of the au N TV network and joining me
today as he does to kick off the week even
on Labor Day weekend, is the president and CEO of
Frontiers of Freedom, and that's George Landreth. And George, welcome back,
Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Great to be here, after all, this is the place
to be Conservative Commandos and a win that's a double.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Win, absolutely So, George, what's got your interest this Labor
Day weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well, I think it's kind of interesting because Labor Day is,
you know, where we celebrate those who you know, work
hard and who over the last several hundred years have
built America into an economic superpower. And what's interesting, I
think is is that President Trump has really done a
very good job of making America's future, an americans workers

(01:28):
future better because there were some times where things were
going kind of rough, things weren't going too well. But
you know, he's working on doing certain deregulatory things that
will grow the economy. He's doing things that will grow wages.
And I think it's very interesting because some people, you know,
act like, oh, well, he's a billionaire and blah blah

(01:50):
Blah's kind of like, yeah, he's the blue collar billionaire.
And what I mean by that is he understands how
working class works and how they need to have a
strong economy in order to, you know, have a good life,
as opposed to say, at a socialist government in which
basically everyone's poor. It's like, yeah, they have equality there.

(02:13):
Yeah everyone's poor. Life sucks and you know, so forth,
And I'm thinking to myself, I don't care that there's
an Elon Musk out there with hundreds of billions of dollars.
What I want is a world in which I can
be successful in my life, where I can provide for
my family and I can make sure that my kids
have opportunities and things like that. And the fact that

(02:36):
he's got billions is okay, you know it doesn't That
doesn't mean I don't have what I need in my life.
I may never have the billions that he has. The
reality is what I want in life is the opportunity
to make sure that my children have freedom and opportunity.
And can you know. So, it's just very interesting because
he's done a lot of things, and if you look

(02:56):
during his first term the incoming equality, the less spends
a lot of time arguing that we need to work
on he made it smaller, and when Reagan was president
it got smaller too. And yet they always act as
if somehow people who are conservative don't care about income inequality.
And the answer is, well, what they don't care about

(03:17):
is government programs called socialism that it claimed to be
working on that issue exactly. But a society with lots
of freedom and opportunity disproportionately benefits people who are kind
of what you might call have nots, because you know,
the truth of the matter is, if you're a billionaire,
you don't really have to have a lot of freedom

(03:39):
and opportunity to make more opportunities for yourself because you've
got enough money. It's not a big deal. So one
way to make sure that just people are starting out
in their career or people who have been poor can
move up on the economy and climb the economic ladder
is not to have government programs that socialize everything and

(04:02):
ensure that there's very little freedom and opportunity, but instead
to grow the economy and to create tremendous opportunity for growth.
And so I think that it's very interesting to see
how Donald Trump, supposedly the billionaire, is working very hard
to make sure that the non millionaire Americans, the working

(04:24):
class Americans, have a better life and better opportunity. And
it's working, and it has worked in the past, and
it's working now. So it is funny to watch the
left act like they care deeply, and it's kind of like, no,
you guys created income inequality. Your fault because their policies
make it so much worse. Like income in equality got

(04:45):
way worse during the Biden years and during the Obama years,
and yet they pretended that that was their big deal.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Mm yeah, Church. What amazes me about the first nine months,
eight months, nine months this administration is how wrong all
the experts are and have been. Of course, you know,
when Donald Trump started talking tariffs. All the experts out
there were claiming, oh, this was going to lead us

(05:15):
into a depression, this was going to lead us into
a recession. Prices we're going to skyrocket, unemployment roles we're
going to go up and up and up, And George, absolutely,
just the opposite has happened. Absolutely, just the opposite has happened.
You know, the unemployment rate is so low you might

(05:37):
as well say there is no unemployment in America. The
only people who are unemployed are people who really don't
want to work. The scot the stock market is that
record highs, record highs. Almost every day it's another record high.
And the inflation, basically there is no inflation. During the

(05:57):
o'biden years, we had inflation of like nine percent. I
mean it's or nine percent a month after month after month.
Prices went up about forty percent during his administration. So
it's the experts are all wrong.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
And let's face.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Donald Trump is a business expert. He is a billionaire,
all right, no doubt about it. He is a billionaire.
He is a business expert. In George, can you name
for me a bigger business than the United States of America?
Is there a bigger business than the United States of America.

(06:39):
Now I'm thinking that the mistake Americans have made for
pretty near two hundred and fifty years. They elect politicians.
They put politicians in charge of running the biggest, greatest
bill a business in the world. Donald Trump is showing

(07:01):
us all what it really really takes to run this country.
And George, as you said, Donald Trump is a billionaire.
And I saw something today on the internet. Oh how
much how much taxes would we have if the billionaires
pay their fair share? All right? Well, what this shows

(07:26):
another problem that people have too much class envy. Instead
of worrying about what somebody else has, maybe they should
pull themselves up by their own damn bootstraps and make
their lives better. Work harder, work smarter, improve your own life,

(07:49):
and stop worrying about what somebody else has. Yeah, it's easy.
It's easy. It's easy to do that. Ye, stop worrying
about what? Worry about yourself?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah. The top ten percent earners actually pay the vast
majority of the taxes that are paid. So when they
say things like I wish billionaires paid their fair share,
what do they mean, Because, for example, the well to
do in America pay most of the taxes that are paid,
and yet somehow they're not paying enough. I'm thinking to myself,

(08:25):
that's interesting. Tell me what the right number is. Then
they just they have this kind of immoral they're not
paying their fair share. Can you define that fair share
for me? Like, for example, if they're do they need
to pay fifty percent? Do they pay seventy percent? You know, what?
What is the fair share? And at some point it's like,

(08:45):
remember they used to say that Elon musk cotn't pay
any taxes. It's kind of actually paid like millions of
dollars in taxes, and so it's kind of like, Okay,
that's interesting. So you guys just why.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You know, George, when they say they need to pay
their fair share, they keep moving the bar, just like
they keep moving the bar on the living wage or
the minimum wage. They keep moving the bar from George,
I remember when the minimum wage was about five dollars
an hour and the Democrats this is going back to

(09:18):
the nineteen nineties, all right, and that the Democrats the
liberals always say well, we need to increase the minimum
wage from five dollars an hour to six dollars an hour.
Then they move it to seventy eight to ten. And
I remember good old Rush Limball going on the air
and just saying, well, let's make it fifty. I mean,

(09:39):
if five dollars an hour is great, good, Well, isn't
ten dollars an hour better? Then then let's make it twenty. Well,
let's jump all the way to fifty, just to show
how ridiculous this is. And when minimum wage goes up,
and I know we're getting a little off from the
direction that we started out here, but when the minimum
wage goes up, that means price businesses have to raise

(10:03):
prices to match that minimum wage. And what happens is
the prices go up to the point where the people
who are making the minimum wage have to pay more.
They have to pay more, all right, they're the ones
that there goes up most affected. They're the ones that
are most affected by by price increases.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, it also kills jobs because, for example, in California,
where they put the minimum wage at twenty dollars an hour,
they killed literally hundreds of thousands of jobs, and they unfortunately,
they were kind of a lot of the you know,
minimum wage type jobs. So for people who are just
starting out, whether you're a college student, or just about
that age or whatever. All of a sudden it made

(10:45):
it so you couldn't get a job. So it's kind
of like, that's interesting. That was because they claimed that
this was to help them. It's like, how does making
them unemployed help them?

Speaker 1 (10:55):
It really doesn't. It hurts them. It hurts them more.
Number one I would love to see is get away
from the federal income tax. That's number one. Number two
what we should do is we should scrap We should
scrap these mandatory pay scales, especially for people who are

(11:17):
earning a minimum wage. They're making the minimum wage because
they all the talent, the skill, the education for a
job to make more than quote unquote the minimum wage.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
But the other thing, it doesn't mean they're gonna die
at that wage. This may be the starting point. Is
they climb the ladder right now. The other thing, if
you climb the ladder, you don't start off at the
top rung. You start at the bottom rung and you
climb up right.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
The other thing we need to do we need to
get rid of all these foreign workers. We need to
get these out farm workers out of the country. Then
the law of supply and demand will set the real
wage for what those jobs are worth. Exactly when government
interferes with business, when these social social constructions, the schemes

(12:10):
get away, get it and get in the way. This
is what we get. This is what we get. While
getting back to what I'm saying is finally, finally we
have a real businessman running the country which is the
largest largest business, the largest corporation in the world. And

(12:31):
with that, George, we do need to go to a break,
and we've got a couple of great guests that will
be joining us here in Conservative Commandos. And after this
break George will tay you who our guests are and
the topics for our conversations. But for now this is
the Conservative Commandos. My cost is George Landreth, I'm Rick Trader,

(12:51):
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being brought to you by the First Amendment, and it
is protected by the second. Go nowhere, George and I
will be right back.

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We always have the very best guests on TV and radio,
and guess what today is no exception. We're gonna start
off with Fred Lucas, who is the manager of the
investigative reporting project at the Daily Signal, and he's an
award winning journalist. He's a veteran White House correspondent, and
he has written and reported for Fox News, Newsweek, National Review,

(17:31):
the History Magazine, Quarterly, the Washington Examiner, Newsmax, all kinds
of places. And those are only a few of the places,
because I think he's also been at the Federalist town Hall,
American Spectator, so forth. So looking forward to talking with him,
and we want to talk with him about the House
Oversight and Accountability Committee and what they're working on to

(17:52):
get to the bottom of the states that have sanctuary policies,
And apparently that includes Minnesota's governor at two, the idiot guy,
also New York's governor Kathy Hotchell, another idiot, and three
out of three, Illinois's Governor JB. Pritzker, another idiot, and

(18:15):
so we're gonna talk with him about what they're up
to and how they're messing things up and so forth.
And then also we'll talk with him about representing Jasmine
Crockett and how she's being investigated for violating federal election
laws and just kind of how corrupt, for example, Act
Blue was with their illegal activities. That was a pack basically,

(18:37):
so election interference. When the Left pretends that they don't
like that stuff, the answer is no, that's actually what
they do. They're all over that. But any rate, our
second guest is going to be Stephanie Tobb, and she
is the senior Council with First Liberty Institute, and they
focus on restoring religious liberty in our society, in our

(19:00):
work environments. And at First Liberty, she advocates for the
rights of employees and business leaders of faith to work
with integrity consistent with their religious convictions, and she has
authored pieces or published in the National Review, the Federalist Society.
She's also on the Fox News and so we want
to discuss with her how the Trump administration is working

(19:21):
to protect religious freedom and religious rights and promote religious tolerance,
and how DEI standards are often used to attack religious
freedom and people of faith, which is kind of interesting
because they pretend that it's all about making sure we're
being kind to minorities, but sadly that's not the case.
Like radical gender ideologies often used to attack people of

(19:42):
faith who have traditional values. So it should be a
very good conversation with her as well. As usual, we
have the very best guests, and today, guess what we
do again.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
We prove it time and time and time again. George
George Radar, screen of viewers. What's filling it up?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
There's an interesting kind of this thing. I think you
look at kind of how many Democrats I say elected democrats,
not going to say voters, because in DC, the average
DC resident's really glad that Trump is cracked down on crime.
And even the mayor I think has kind of read
the polling data and so she's decided not to be
too anti this, but it could well be you have

(20:23):
lots of other Democrat leaders who act like that. It's outrageous,
it's racist. It's kind of like, yeah, exactly, it's racist
to try to make sure that minorities in DC are
not the victims of violent crime. It's like, you know,
how stupid you have to be to say these kinds
of things. But I think that the Democrats kind of
Trump de arrangement syndrome. Response to Trump's DC crime crackdown

(20:46):
just let you know that the Democrats don't care about
the well being of voters. They care about having control.
You look at what he's doing, and DC is their
crime has just been dropping, kind of like it's a
lead balloon. And if you're a DC resident, you have
to be kind of happy about that, because many DC
residents don't feel safe leaving your house as the sun's

(21:08):
going down, and maybe in some neighborhoods not even the
sun's up. But the point is, I think that we're
seeing a lot of changes out there and it's probably
your average person who's impacted. And example, be how dumb
is a DC resident when you have to be to say, yeah,
it's safer now, but I'm upset because I like the life.
I liked life better when I went out to go
to work or went out to walk the dog where

(21:30):
I was worried I might be killed or raped or
robbed or you know whatever. I like that more. Donald
Trump took that from me, like, really, how dumb would
you have to be to feel that way. And I
think that's why the polling data suggests that the average
Democrat in d C is actually supportive because they're practical,
you know what I mean. It's kind of like, yeah,
my life's better now, I'm okay with that. And it

(21:52):
means they don't necessarily suffer from Trump to arrangement syndrome
because they're willing to accept the reality of yeah, things
are better now. But the people who continue to complain
about knot like it's a problem. They're the coops.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Well, George, let's compare this what's going on in Washington,
d C. With what went on in Chicago over this
past Labor Day weekend. And truth be told, this show
is being recorded on Monday afternoon, so these figures are
not for Monday. It's for Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. In Chicago,

(22:28):
at least fifty four people were shot, seven fatally across
Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive by attack
that left seven victims wounded. According to the police. The
violent holiday weekend game as President Trump renewed threats to
send federal agents to National Guard troops to Chicago over

(22:52):
the objections of Illinois Governor Pritsker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson.
Trump on set Saturday sent a warning to Pritsker in
a post on social media, referencing crime in Chicago and saying,
Pritsker quote better straighten out fast, or we're coming now. Pritsker,

(23:14):
a Democrat, resputted in a news conference by saying that
Trump's threat to straighten out Chicago just like he did
in the c by saying that the President's plan get this, George,
Now we got seven people dead, fifty four wounded. Priscar
said that Trump's plan was quote unprecedented and unwarranted. It

(23:39):
is illegal, and it is unconstitutional and is Unamerican. Well, George,
what's american? Fifty four people shot, seven dead in Chicago
over the weekend. Now, George, I would like to know
what the crime statistics in Washington, d C. Was over
the weekend. Compare to that to what's going on in Chicago.

(24:04):
I don't care, George, if it's unprecedent, i'n margined, or
they're illegal or unconstitial. If it's going to save people's lives,
and that's all the Democrats ever talk about, is saving
people's lives. I don't give a damn send in the
National Guard, mister President.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Well, and the interesting thing is there are a
number of legal scholars that suggest that under the Insurrection
Act of eighteen oh seven, the president has broad power
deploy troops under certain conditions. And because it's called the
Insurrection Act, some people may think, oh, there has to
be an insurrection, but no, it basically just means there's
emergencies going on. And so an example would be a

(24:46):
law professor from the University of Berkeley. That's not a
conservative school. You see Berkeley. When I was in school,
we used to call it berserkly because it was, you know,
it's a liberal school. But he's a professor there, this
guy John Yo, and he said that Trump invoking his
authority to protect federal facilities and federal personnel like ICE

(25:10):
people and others is clearly legal and he can do that.
So it may not be that he can just go
anywhere he wants to do whatever he wants under any circumstances.
But an example would be if federal facilities have been threatened,
if federal like ICE employees are being threatened and having
a hard time getting things done because of local people

(25:31):
who are like in California, we're trying to stop them.
Then clearly he can do that. Like I said, this
is a law professor at Berkeley. Also there a law
professor from the University of New Hampshire, not a conservative school,
said essentially, if a governor requests helped, then the federal
government absolutely has the right to go and help. But

(25:51):
he also said if federal law is obstructed or if
constitutional rights are being denied, he does not need the
guys help or request And so that was interesting. Sometimes
people will say, well, but the Posseko Tatis Act of
eighteen seventy eight says that you know, government can't be
involved in domestic law enforcement, and it says, well, it

(26:14):
doesn't say it can't, it limits it. But it also
there are several exceptions and things that are allowed, for example,
under the Insurrection Act. And so it's just very interesting
that people kind of act like, well, I can read
one sentence out of the law and that's the case.
There's also, for example, Title ten of the US Code
permits the deployment of federal troops like the National Guard

(26:36):
and things like that in the case of an invasion
or in case of rebellion or when state forces cannot
enforce the law for whatever reason. And so it's very
interesting they act as if this is outrageous and he's
a he's obviously a totalitarian. And I'm saying myself, well,
wait a minute. If he were sending in federal troops
to force Americans to like like him or do what

(26:58):
he's you know, that'd be different. You know, Hitler used
troops to force people to comply with his totalitarian goals.
But here what we're talking about as a president who
is trying to reduce crime so that people are protected.
And what's interesting is, of course, because most of the
crime that's been committed is in cities, it is a

(27:19):
matter of minorities being protected. And so it's very interesting
to me to listen to these people act as if
somehow this is proof that he's a totalitarian. It's like, no,
this is proof that he doesn't want Americans. And interesting enough,
clearly he doesn't want minority groups in America being killed, raped,
and robbed constantly. And just you know, I mean, I

(27:41):
know that there'll always be some level of crime, but
hopefully it's very low and it's rare as opposed to
like you said fifty in one weekend, and that's only
part of the weekend, because obviously today is part of
the weekend, and we don't have that data from today.
So I think it's very clear that what the president
trying to do is make up America great again for everyone,

(28:04):
even in the jurisdictions where they didn't vote for him.
He's saying, I don't want those people killed, I don't
want those people raped and robbed. Let's fix this so
that America is safe and so forth. And that's like,
you know, I don't think he got much vote in DC.
I'm not sure if he got into double digits, and
I think.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
It was five percent of if I can recall correctly, George,
I think it was he got five percent in DC.
But you know, George, I did a little googling prior.
I googled murders in Chicago over the weekend. Now come
up with that figure, fifty four shot seven killed. Well,
I did the same thing for DC DC murders over

(28:45):
the Labor Day weekend twenty twenty five, and this is
what I found. This is what I found, George. Six
days ago, DC records the first homicide in Newly two weeks.
All right, Now, I can't fight any news article that
talks about any homeless murder in the sea since that time,

(29:09):
two six days ago. There was a murder first in
two weeks. So what this is telling me, George? There
were no murders in Washington, d C. Over this past
weekend compared to the seven the fifty four shot and
seven killed in Chicago, where Prisker said, what do you say, Oh,

(29:32):
it's unwarranted, it's illegal, it's unconstitutional. George, who cares? Do
you think that the mothers of those seven people that
were killed would give a damn? Would give a damn
what Prisker thinks about it being unprecedented and unwarranted? Do

(29:56):
you think the mothers of those people would give a
damn if it's some warranted and I'm presdented, Yeah, there
are mothers from Washington, d C. That aren't going through
that grief. Yeah, because it's not one miskilled every the weekend.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean, I'm a big believer in the constitution.
So but my point is people acting like this is unconstitutional,
they're just not being factually accurate. There are laws that
permit the president to protect American citizens. Now Obviously you've
been constitutional for Donald Trump to use federal troops to
make people support him or use it to compel behavior.

(30:34):
That's not We're not talking about stopping crime. We're talking
about making people do what he says. Like, and I'm
the president, You'll do what I tell you to do.
It's like, no, he's just saying we can't be killing people,
so stop it. And it's like, who can be against that?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, George, no one can be against sir. Guests. We
got a couple of Greek guests that will be joining us,
Fred Lucas, he's the manager of the Investigative Reporting project
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Welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Command of this
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(34:36):
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Speaker 2 (34:42):
Absolutely we have the very best guest on TV and radio. Well,
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(35:08):
The Blaze, Town Hall, The Federalist, The National Interest, and
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that's only some of the places he's been published, So
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(35:29):
out of state capitals in Kentucky and Connecticut. So, Fred,
welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. We're very glad to
have you. Thanks for having me on. Absolutely I want
to talk to you a little bit about what's going
on with the because I read an article that you
wrote that talks about the House Oversight and Accountability Committee
that's looking into the states that have sanctuary policies, And

(35:54):
if I could, I would just like maybe to make
an analogy. I'm just thinking if imagine during World War Two,
if the federal government had prohibited Nazis from infiltrating the
US because, for example, they did find some Nazi saboteurs
and they were tried and executed when they came ashore
from a U boat and were trying to do damage

(36:15):
to the US's infrastructure. So, but imagine if governors or
mayors had declared their jurisdiction sanctuaries for Nazi invaders. I'm
thinking that would be kind of like what and yet
what we have is you know, you know m S.
Thirteen and other things there it's a sanctuary. Like what
that's crazy policy?

Speaker 8 (36:37):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (36:37):
Yeah, yeah, this is this is getting more ridiculous because
during the Bide administration it was it was almost a
sanctuary country for during the Bide administration with the open
border policy or de facto open border policy that the
Biden administration had.

Speaker 10 (36:51):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (36:52):
Now you've got this uh governor's democratic governors and they're
so interested in being the resistance to Trump the effectively
they've jumped into this adopting sanctuary policies. Particularly Pritzker, he
is leading this effort called the nonprofit organizations called the

(37:12):
Governor's Safeguarding Democracy, and from their perspective, that's resistance to
anything that Trump administration does. But you also do have
as you mentioned, Tim Waaltz, who we know is Kamala
Harris's running mate, is among the governors. His state, Minnesota
has a sanctuary policy for saying that we will not

(37:34):
assist the federal government and enforcing federal immigration laws. We
will not assist ice or the border patrol in deporting people.
It's also that New York, New York State with Katie
Holtchel also has a similar policy. So yeah, we're going
to see these governors very likely. They've been invited right now.

(37:56):
It's not a subpoena, but they've been invited to testify
before the House Oversight Committee. We saw something back in March.
We saw the something similar. Mayors of New York City, Chicago,
Boston were there in front of Congress testifying about their
sanctuary city policies and why they're actually making their citizens
less safe.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah. It's just very interesting to me because they say
that that, you know, what is it, Pritzker wants to
defend democracy by guess letting more fentanyl and criminals into
the United States. I think, of myself, I'm confused, Now
does he know what the word democracy even means? Because one,
we're not a democracy, We're we're essentially a democratic republic,

(38:38):
and so, you know, so the but I just think
it's weird that even if you just accept the word democracy,
which of course I used to teach constitutional law, I
kind of want to say, wait a minute, let's be
more precise. But even with that word, how does letting
an MS thirteen and gang members and in some cases
from Venezuela, a bunch of people who are actually here

(38:59):
to create trouble in America with violence and destruction of
infrastructure and so forth, how does that protect democracy?

Speaker 9 (39:08):
Well, something it doesn't because I think in almost any
locality you go to, I think probably even in some
of the bluist areas, most of the public would be
against that, perhaps from a lot of Democrats, for people
on the left would rather bring in as many people
as possible and make them voters, either by hook or

(39:30):
by crook. And from the press perspective, that's Illinois at least,
that's something that's been known to happen in places like Chicago,
where elections are kind of fast and loose sometimes.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
But but but yeah, I mean this is a.

Speaker 9 (39:49):
Right, right, right mayor daily of the old school. And
but but I mean this is a big problem with
I think in some sense you go back to one
of the more were famous Democrats in our nation's histories,
John C.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Calhoun.

Speaker 9 (40:04):
He thought that the state governments should be able to
nullify federal law at will, and that's essentially what these
modern day Democrats are trying to do with immigration law.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, it's interesting because I would argue that the idea
of federalism was that certain things should be state focused
and some are local focused, and some should be federally focused.
An example would be I think education is a good
example of something should be more state and local focused,
which is why getting rid of the Education Department is
actually within the bounds of what you would call this

(40:37):
concept of federalism. But national security has always been the
pre eminent responsibility the federal government, and while the states
have the right to defend themselves in the event of
an invasion, the concept was always that the nation as
a whole would defend its the nation. And so I
find that very curious as to these people just not

(40:59):
understand history? Do they not understand reality? An example would
be the you know, there are people who say that
President Trump can't use the nineteen excuse me, seventeen ninety
eight Alien Act to get rid of aliens because we're
not at war, and they claimed that that was passed
for that, And it's like, well, these people are just
tell me you're stupid and don't know history, without telling

(41:21):
me you're stupid and don't know history. Because that law
was passed when we were concerned about France. It was
called the quasi war. In other words, it wasn't a
real war. There was no actual military action going on.
We were just having disputes with France. Kind of odd
given the fact that helped us win the American Revolution
only a few years earlier, and so we passed this

(41:42):
law and we used it. At that time there was
no declared war and no even undeclared war with France,
and it was used. And then, of course Harry Truman
used it after World War Two was over, two years
after it was over, nineteen forty seven, and he was
deporting people that he considered to be dangerous because perhaps
they were Nazi sympathizers, and they were, you know whatever.

(42:06):
But the point is there is no war, and he
sent them away. It went to court, and the US
Supreme Court said, yeah, he can do that, and so
all of a sudden, now though Donald Trump can only
do it if there's a declared war, and I'm thinking
to myself, these people are just stupid.

Speaker 9 (42:23):
Well, well, there is something, I mean, a concept that
was thrown out their Trump Law, which was which is
his term that apparently there's a different standard applied when
it's Trump because the left believes him to be an
imminent danger on really everything, and therefore if he just
I think he could almost sign a law and acted

(42:45):
by Congress and they would consider that to be a
danger to the Constitution in some way.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 9 (42:50):
He's simply applying, in this case, applying a law. Yeah,
I mean, granted, maybe it's not been applied that often,
but yeah, as you said, it's been applied during peacetime.
It was it became a law during peace time. So
I mean, yeah, there's no way you can say it's
a wartime act. And I think, I mean, these these

(43:13):
gangs that are bringing fitting one into the country, that
are enacting violence, I mean, I think you can make
a strong argument that they're every bit as much of
a threat to Americans as a terrorist organization. And I
don't think anyone would necessarily raise the same concerns if
we were applying this to if supposedly, supposely an ISIS

(43:35):
cell infiltrated the country.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, that's a very good point. I mean, we've had
millions of Americans who died from fentanyl poisoning. And then
of course there's the violence that we've seen around the country.
It's makes the newspapers almost every week, like the Lake
and Riley's and others. You know that, And so I'm
thinking to myself, there were no Nazi sabateurs that had

(43:58):
that track record. In fact, I'm not aware that any
Nazi salvageurs came to American killed a single American, and
yet people are acting as if somehow this is an
attack on democracy. And I just kind of want to
scratch my head and go millions of people. That's a
lot more people than died, for example, in most wars
we fought in. I'm trying to think of the I
think that the World War two we had about six

(44:20):
hundred and seven hundred thousand fatalities if I recall correctly.

Speaker 9 (44:25):
Even the Civil War, which we had the largest number
of casualties ever, and that was fewer than a million.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah. And so I'm thinking to myself, this is just
kind of amazing to me that they're acting like this
is just no big deal, This is no problem, and
why are we worrying about it? So I wanted to
ask if you have any insights, because I know you've
done research around this is to what they're talking about.
Why would Pritzker and the other two what was it,
Kathy Hotchell and Tim Walls, Yeah, Tampa on Tim. Why

(44:54):
would they be so anti American? I mean, I think
this might be proof that the these people don't actually
cherish or love America, and that what they love is
power and authority, and they'll do whatever they can to
obtain said power and authority, and they'll harm as many
Americans as possible once they've got it.

Speaker 9 (45:13):
Well, I think some of it is on some level
to be Trump derangement syndrome. Not to over use that term,
but I mean this is particularly with Prisker. He's he's
the head of the coach chair along with Jared Paulas
out of UH Colorado, the co chair of the organization
Governor's Safeguarding Democracy UH which which includes most democratic governors

(45:36):
in the country, including Hoachel and Tim Watts. But yeah,
I mean much of this is just anti trump Ism
UH and and I think that they believe that they
can rally their base behind them on on virtually any issue.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And this being one of those.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
And and and in particular, they're they're going to come
out of arguments.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
Of like maybe one or two.

Speaker 9 (46:02):
Peaceful you know, anecdotal issues of a peaceful illegal immigrant
who was or they're going to say an undocumented immigrant
who was living in their state and was deported, And
they're gonna say, what was the point in that? And
they're going to know are the issues if we're talking
about the in the thirteen, the other gangs that have

(46:22):
been in the country, and then the Fennel deaths and
so forth.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, it's kind of interesting that they do this, and
it's but I also find it curious because I think
I've seen polling that suggests that Americans of all political
parties support the idea of deporting these violent criminals from
our country. Yeah, and so I'm trying to figure out
why do they think that they're making a point that's

(46:47):
going to be successful and helpful, because it seems like
America's kind of tired of the last four years we've seen.
I know that before four years ago, that the average
American wasn't for that because they hadn't experienced all of
the harm and damage, and you know, but now they have.
Like the citizens of Chicago are sick to death of

(47:07):
the idea that their children can't go to schools anymore
because their schools have been shut down and the community
center has been shut down so they can make room
to house illegal aliens. And they're worried about the jobs
that they may be losing and the wages that are
being suppressed and so forth. And so this is not
a partisan issue. You don't have to be a Trump
supporter to say I don't want all this going on.

(47:29):
And I think polling suggests that what say you.

Speaker 9 (47:32):
Yeah, the Biden administration or the Biden Harris administration of
that Hunter did as much as anyone to really unify
the country behind Trump's position on immigration and taking a
strong stance on and let's be clear, Trump's enforcing existing law.
I think maybe if Trump makes has made a mistake rhetorically.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
He said that was in saying.

Speaker 9 (47:55):
That you don't need new laws, you just needed a
new president to enforce the war. Well, the fact is
you didn't need a new law. I just needed a
president who was going to actually enforce existing law that's
always been there, that was there while Biden was president,
and really going back to while other presidents were in office,
Republican and Democrat, and they weren't enforcing that law, those

(48:19):
immigration laws either.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
But yeah, and it just.

Speaker 9 (48:22):
Got horribly worse under Biden, who just reversed every security
measure Trump made, really largely out of spy Biden was
so much worse on the border than Obama, and that showed.
And I think that they're just like having the facto
open border policy and then on top of that, making

(48:43):
Kamala Harris a borders are just totally shifted public opinion
over a four year period.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, that's the truth. That's a great place for us
to take a quick break. Folks, don't go away, because
the Conservative command is a Rick Trader and George Landreth
and our special guest Fred Lucas will be right back.
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And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commands Radio
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Speaker 2 (53:06):
With you.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
May the force be with you, George, and I want
to thank our guests for sticking with us. And that's
Fred Lucas. Fred Lucas is an investigative reporter at the
Daily Signal, and we're discussing, uh well, his article that
he wrote, the House Oversight, calls for Waltz Hockle and
Pritcocle to testify on sectuary policies. But Fred, I wanted

(53:30):
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Speaker 9 (53:39):
Oh yeah, this is the myth of voter suppression.

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It's uh.

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Speaker 9 (53:44):
It's a fact check basically on everything that the Democrats
say whenever there's an election integrity proposal out there. I
did talk about in the last segment about how Democrats
have tried to push for illegal immigrants to vote when possible, uh,
And that's something that's documented in the book, actual examples
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(54:07):
have been in core that have been proven a voter fraud.
That is something that is provable. What's not provable is
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voter suppression because.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Talking about modern.

Speaker 9 (54:23):
Times and I'm not talking about the nineteen fifties or sixties,
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(54:45):
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Speaker 1 (54:56):
All right, Fred, Hey, Fred, I want to talk with
you in a little bit about everybody's favorite anymore. I
say that tongue in cheek, Jasmin Krackt. But you and
George for talking about how service sight calling for wallstackle
and fiscal to testify and in your article you write
Donald Trump has starting to cut off federal funding to

(55:18):
sanctuary cities. How much would that hurt these states?

Speaker 9 (55:24):
Yeah, it could potentially me harm them economically, particularly with
their I guess their social services aren't even the type
of giveaways that they want to do in terms of
setting up their own economic development. If they want to
do tax giveaway, some federal money would compensate for that.

(55:44):
So I think we're going to see from that sense,
this is not something that the public wants anyway. These
policies of the sanctuary policies are not something in the
public even in these blue states want. And I think
if federal money, if by the own actions of the
governors and mayors, federal money is withdrawn from these cities

(56:06):
and states, I think we're going to see a lot
of public pressure put on these democrats, even from their
very liberal leaning constituents that, I mean, why why is
this your heel to dial?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
So Fredy. Also, you also read another article I wanted
to talk about that involving Jasmine Crockett, and she might
be in trouble with the FEC. Will you walk us
through that?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Yeah, sure thing.

Speaker 15 (56:33):
Uh The the Coolidge Reagan Foundation, which I watched dog Group,
filed an FEC complaint pointing out the some suspect donations
that she received in the last election cycle.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Uh and and they came.

Speaker 9 (56:50):
Through the Act Blue portal. Now, the uh situation with
Act Blue has already been an issue. They've been under
investigation from state attorneys.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
First stop for explain what Act Blue is.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Oh yes, yeah.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
Act Blue is this powerhouse democratic fundraising organization. Uh and
and they bring in millions of dollars a lot of
us in small donations, but sometimes it's big donations as well.
Uh and And they've come under scrutiny for really not
vetting any of these donors and whether they're the people
who make these donations are who they say they are.

(57:24):
Uh and and more recently they've come under investigation from
both states attorneys general and from Congress uh as to
uh whether they're these are straw donors in some case
people uh. And and particularly with Jasmine Crockett, there was
one donor that uh was found to have his wife

(57:45):
at least said that uh, she she had no ideal
uh where these thousands of dollars have come from, uh,
from her husband to Jasmin's Crockett's campaign. And this is
and and there are several act Blue donations from outside
the district and so forth.

Speaker 11 (58:00):
So this organization.

Speaker 9 (58:02):
Has filed a complaint against Jasmine Crockett, who has majors,
have quite a celebrity, who's sort of a rising star
and the Democratic Party, and she's adored by a lot
of people on the far left. So and this has
gotten some attention from in the sense that she has

(58:24):
gone after Republicans so much and now it looks like
that she might be in the center of her own controversy.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Well, Fred, that's a very interesting analysis. And I think
you make a lot of sense there. I wanted to
ask you because our times about up, but I wanted
to ask you to give us some tell us about
You've written a great book, So do you have that
with you? Can you show us and tell us where
to find it? And what it's about.

Speaker 9 (58:47):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, again the myth of voter suppression.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Please check it out.

Speaker 9 (58:53):
It's you know, Amazon, barn and.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Noble where you buy books.

Speaker 9 (58:57):
Sounds good and it's got an endorsement from Ark live
In and a few other folks.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
So excellent. And tell us about the Daily Signal. Yeah,
the Daily Signal.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
We're a new site. You can get Daily Signal dot
com and got a lot of great reporters and a
lot of great opinion and analysis on there.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
So I hope you'll check that out. Absolutely, and uh yeah,
and then and it's a it's a it's a publication
that focuses on things that are, you know, really matter.
I've always been impressed with the fact that they don't
necessarily think that what they have to do is print
all the lies that you see in the New York

(59:37):
Times for example, right, and uh so, so it's my
point is you don't have to wade through and figure out,
you know, is one out of ten articles good? Everything
at the Daily Signal is good. Oh well, thank you.

Speaker 9 (59:49):
I appreciate that. Yeah, we're very policy focused news outlet.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
So absolutely, well, thank you so much. Fred. We really
appreciate the fact that you spent time with us today
and enlightened not only Rick and I, but our viewers
and our listeners. All right, thanks for having me on absolutely, folks,
don't go away, because we will just take care of
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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos with
George Landreth and I'm Rick Trader coming to you from
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and please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I'm very happy to do that because we always have
the best guests, to do a great job of lining
up the best guests on TV and radio. And we
have Stephanie Taub here to prove that. She serves as
the senior Council with First Liberty Institute and they focus,
of course, primarily on things like religious liberty. And I
think that's a pretty important thing. After all, it made

(01:03:27):
it in the First Amendment, which I would suggest suggest
our founders saw that as a very high priority. It
didn't make it in that fifty second Amendment. It was
the first one, and so at first liberty, she advocates
for rights of employees and business leaders of faith to
work with integrity and consistent with their religious convictions, because

(01:03:48):
those who hate religion and who hate faith would like
very much to make it hard for people of faith
to operate with freedom and opportunity. And Stephanie has authored
pieces that have been public by a National Review and
the Federal Society, and also has appeared on Fox News
and the Texas Review of Law and Politics published her

(01:04:10):
article on federal employment law protections for faith based employers,
and so she is a really good source on these important,
what you would call high priority First Amendment rights. So Stephanie,
welcome to the Conservative Commandos. We're very glad to have you.

Speaker 11 (01:04:27):
Thank you so much for having me on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I used to teach constitutional law at George Mason, and
I went to the University of Virginia Law School and
so forth, and I kind of find it weird that
people seem not to grasp that the Constitution laid out
some very important inaliable rights, as Jefferson referred to them,
and that those enalable rights are not up for a vote.

(01:04:51):
We vote in our society and all kinds of things.
We vote on policy questions and things like that, but
what we don't vote on is our enalable rights. In
other words, you're right to free speech, you're right to
freedom of religion, You're right, for example, to a fair trial.
Those are things that are not subject to votes. And
that's what makes us a very special place. And yet

(01:05:11):
some people act like, well, it's not very democratic, and
it's kind of like, well, actually, our founders wanted to
make sure that we were put a bigger emphasis on freedom,
and so we weren't going to vote on whether or
not the church you choose to go to, or whether
you choose to go to church or not go to
church is an acceptable choice by the majority. So I

(01:05:32):
want to ask you to help fill us in on
all of this, because I think the Trump administration has
signaled to us that it's a pro First Amendment, pro
religious freedom administration that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:45):
Is absolutely right and very well put.

Speaker 10 (01:05:48):
One of the wonderful things about the Trump administration is
that they are really cracking down on DEI initiatives, and
especially the DEI initiatives that have gone so far as
to violate our rights, not only our constitutional rights, but
also our statutory rights, because it's very important that the

(01:06:09):
Constitution isn't our only protection for our religious liberty.

Speaker 11 (01:06:13):
We also have the federal law protects us.

Speaker 10 (01:06:16):
From religious discrimination in employment, for example. And so what
we're seeing is companies across the countries using these DEI
initiatives to crack down on employees of faith who might
have different perspectives on controversial issues these days. And so

(01:06:37):
it's really encouraging to see the Trump administration respecting religious
liberty and cracking down on these illegal uses of these policies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
That's very interesting because when you hear the left talk
about DEI, they make it sound like they're trying to
promote constitutional freedoms and liberties and make sure we get
rid of things that are unfair. And yet I think
that's not the case because they're promoting you, like, as
you said, it sounds like DII initiatives in some case
actually go after people who have faith and that's a

(01:07:09):
part of their life, and instead of being tolerant of them,
it basically says, yeah, we're not going to tolerating that,
we're going to punish you for your faith. And so
is that fair or am I mischaracterizing it?

Speaker 11 (01:07:21):
Yeah, I think it can depend on the company, but
I think that's fair.

Speaker 10 (01:07:24):
We've definitely seen that these sorts of policies can come
with sometimes embrace of radical gender ideology, for example, that
can conflict with quite a few people's as people of faith.
They're religious convictions, and so companies need to remember that
they have an obligation obligation under the law to respect

(01:07:45):
employees of faith and to grant reasonable religious accommodations were required.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
I wanted to ask you about this one because I've
seen that, you know, several states have tried to pass
laws in I think they just recently didn't Colorado, which basically,
if you're if you have a child who tells you
they think they're, you know, the other gender than what
they were born as, if you don't go along with that,
then they will take away your parental rights and remove

(01:08:10):
the child from your home and so forth. And I'm
thinking myself, that strikes me as blatantly unconstitutional, and that
strikes me as something that to be very blunt. If
some were to show up at my house claiming they're
going to take my child from me because I didn't
go with the he she thing, I think I would
actually be prepared to defend my child and my family

(01:08:33):
because them coming in and saying that they're going to
take my child. It's kind of like in Nazi Germany
if someone if a Nazi came to my house and said,
I understand that you don't hate Jews enough, so we're
taking your kids from you, I'd be like, sorry, come
back later. And so I'm trying to figure out is
what's going on with this because this is just nuts.
It's like, how is it that we can live in

(01:08:54):
a society where people want to basically tell parents we
can take your children from you because we don't like
your faith based way of seeing the world.

Speaker 10 (01:09:04):
There are so many issues right now in this in
this area, with these conflicts where fortunately the Supreme Court
has taken up some similar not quite that case, but
some similar cases having to do with parental rights when
it comes to educating, educating children, when it comes to receiving, counseling,
those sorts of those sorts of.

Speaker 11 (01:09:25):
Very important issues.

Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
So we're hopeful that the Supreme Court will grant positive
precedents that will help restore religious liberty, help restore freedom
of speech and in these really crucial areas. So it
doesn't come to any of any of so it doesn't
come to that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Well, I agree, because I don't want to sound like
I'm supporting or interested in seeing violence happen, because I'm not.
I just I'm just saying though that I do think
that there's a point at which and I think it's
part of our founders recognize that one of the things
you wanted to do was make sure that total terror
ands understood that they might have to confront people who

(01:10:05):
would be in a position to push back at them.
And I think it's important that, as you know, people
who believe in freedom and opportunity, that when government tries
to take our freedom, we do have to push back,
and hopefully we can just push back at the ballot box.
That's what I would hope. But you know, if I'd
lived in Germany during World War Two, that wasn't going

(01:10:25):
to work. And so you know, if I lived in Germany,
I'd have been very happy to use violence to stop
the Nazis from rounding up all the people they hated
and wanted to kill, because at some point I'd be like,
I'm not going to participate in this, and I don't
care if the government claims it's legitimate. If it's doing this,

(01:10:47):
it's not.

Speaker 10 (01:10:50):
And I mean that as you said earlier in the segment,
that there is a reason why religious liberty is our
first liberty and the Bill of Rights. This is a
really this is foundational, the right to be able to
worship and to live in accordance with your faith, consistent
with your convictions. And if you have a government that's

(01:11:12):
routinely oppressing people, routinely calling on people to violate their
most deeply held tenants, this is unsustainable. And so this
is the reason why freedom of speech freedom of religion
are so crucial.

Speaker 11 (01:11:26):
And in.

Speaker 10 (01:11:29):
Governments that eventually fall or become totalitarian, freedom of religion
is usually the first to fall.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yeah, and freedom of speech are exactly right, because if
you're a totalitarian, you don't want people to have the
ability to think on their own. And that people who
love big government don't like people of faith because people
of faith generally put God first, not government first, and
people who believe in big government want government first in

(01:11:58):
all instances. And that you saw that, for example, in
communist China, you saw that in communist Russia. So the Union,
you've seen that in you know, in every totalitarian regime
sees religion as something that stands between them and power,
and I would say the same thing with free speech.
So you make a very very good point, and I'm

(01:12:20):
glad that you're a champion of freedom and a champion
of the First Amendment because we need more of those nowadays.
Did it used to be like this? This used to
be something that everybody agreed on. It used to be
that left and right agreed on things like freedom of speech,
freedom of religion, etc. And something has happened in the
last generation where that's no longer the case, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
It worries me.

Speaker 10 (01:12:41):
Yeah, you see some statistics when they pull I don't
have them off the top of my head, but pulling
some of the generation Z about freedom of speech issues,
and they're a lot more in favor of censorship than
I would have ever guessed, and that.

Speaker 11 (01:12:57):
Really is scary.

Speaker 10 (01:12:59):
But there have been some positive signs too, maybe a
resurgence of faith or a resurgence in the generation that's
coming after them. So we're in in generation see and
hopefully the generation that's coming after them, So we'll see,
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah, Well, that's a great place where you're take a
quick break we'll handle a little bit of business here, folks,
but don't go away, because the Conservative commander is Rick Trader,
George Landerth and our special guest Stephanie tu will be
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Now, welcome back, Welcome back to the Eight Conservative Commanders
with George Landerth and I'm Rick Trader coming to you
from the Mypillar Studios and My Story Studios of the
a u n TV network. Our guest's segment is Stephanie Tabbs.
She's the senior counselor with First Liberty Institute. Stephanie, thank
you for holding through that break. We really do appreciate

(01:16:54):
your time. Now, you've read an article that's appeared on
I Believe on the Hill, and in the article you
talk about a case that First Liberty is involved with
with two employees of Alaskan Airlines who lost their jobs
lost their jobs because they stood up to their company.

(01:17:16):
Could you explain that case for us please?

Speaker 11 (01:17:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:17:19):
So we represent Lazy Smith and Marley Brown, two exceptional
flight attendants who used to work for Alaskan Airlines. But
when Alaskan Airlines put up a post on their internal
company website about how Alaska supports that proposed a quality Act,

(01:17:40):
are my clients Marley and Lazy? They posted one comment
each just respectfully expressing their Christian beliefs. One of them asked,
as a company, do you think it's possible to regulate morality?

Speaker 11 (01:17:54):
And the other one.

Speaker 10 (01:17:55):
Asked about the implications on religious freedom, on the church
and in particular on women's spaces when they're being opened
up by the Potential Equality Act. And so because of
these two comments, they were investigated, they were suspended, and
then they were ultimately fired.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Did they get the process within the company? Was there
a hearing did this? I know you're first celebrity is
representing them, but was it that cut and dry look
you put up these posts? We didn't like it. It doesn't
follow what this company is looking to do here with
DEI and you're gone, ladies.

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
I mean it strikes me as that cut and dry
we have the US a great question about due process,
So we have the We all were also assuming the
union that was supposed to be representing Marley and Lacy,
the union president reported them to the company.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
But this is these are union as you say, I'm sorry,
it didn't mean to interrupt. I was you shocked that
the union, who they pay dues to that they are
members of, who's supposed to represent their best interests reported
them to the company.

Speaker 11 (01:19:10):
Yes, yeah, that's absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (01:19:12):
So the union reported them to the company, and then
on the day they're fired, they published an article saying
that employees can't use your protected class as a basis
to discriminate. So very very thinly veiled comments advocating against
against Marley and Lazy on even when they're supposed to
be still in the process of representing them before their grievance.

Speaker 11 (01:19:36):
So it's not only the company, it's also the union
that are engaging in religious discrimination here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
What is Lazy and Marley looking to get out of it?
Are they looking for a financial settlement, Are they looking
for their jobs back? Are they looking to set a
standard for other employees? What are the goals?

Speaker 10 (01:19:57):
It's about the principle of the thing. So this is
what they've gone through, no one else should have to
go through, and it is a devastating effect on our clients,
their health, their ability to continue, and it's still difficult
to this day.

Speaker 11 (01:20:16):
So this is a.

Speaker 10 (01:20:19):
So, this is a they're standing up not only for themselves,
but also for other employees across the country that are
facing similar situations. So right now we're currently on appeal
at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and hopefully we'll
get a positive outcome that says that these companies cannot
discriminate against you. They can't fire you simply for holding

(01:20:40):
traditional Christian or religious beliefs on these sorts of issues.
This seems to me be blatant, blatant religious discrimination.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Sephanie said, it's under appeal. So is there already one trial?
The other thing that you mentioned that makes my eyes
roll is the Nice Circuit.

Speaker 11 (01:21:02):
Yes, So Ninth.

Speaker 10 (01:21:03):
Circuit is over California, it's over Washington, it's over the
West coast, and it does have quite a reputation there
there are so it does. It does depend quite a
lot on what judges you get for Wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
That's fair. I'll tell you what else is unfair? To Stephanie.
If I'm looking at this right, if I'm reading it correctly,
this all took place in two thousand and twenty twenty one,
so that's like four years ago. What are these two?
What's Marley in stays a lazy? What have they been

(01:21:40):
doing in the past four years?

Speaker 10 (01:21:43):
So one of them has moved to an airline that
is more respectful of her religious freedom, which is wonderful.
So she's a flight still a flight attendant, and the
other is currently a mom.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Well, you know, Stephanie, I know you gotta go. We
you have, you have to leave it shortly. But it's
what really bothers me is this idea of separate separation
of church and state. We here on the au N
TV network have been running a short video from the

(01:22:18):
Wall Builders where they talked about the first Bible in
America was was sponsored help sponsored by Congress to get
Bibles in school, and for years, for decades, we've been
having this argument about separation of church and state. And

(01:22:41):
I'm wondered if you had any comment on that.

Speaker 10 (01:22:45):
Yeah, So we do see that phrase being misused, unfortunately,
and used to often to justify or sometimes government officials
mistakenly think that they need to censor any sort of
mention of religeigion in the public square, and so that
can lead them to go way too far and to
infringe on free exercise rights of teachers, of students, of employees.

(01:23:11):
And so we do see that all the time from
just this mistaken understanding, because the as you, I'm sure
you know, that letter comes from a letter from Jefferson
to the Danbury Baptist Church and where there Jefferson was
encouraging the church and saying, no, the government's not going
to come and invade your sacred space. But here it's

(01:23:36):
being twisted to be somehow a requirement to scrub the
public sphere from anything that's religious.

Speaker 11 (01:23:43):
And so that's unfortunate.

Speaker 10 (01:23:45):
But we are seeing good outcomes in the Supreme Court
correcting in this understanding.

Speaker 11 (01:23:50):
It might take some time.

Speaker 10 (01:23:51):
To filter through the lower courts and popular understanding, but
we are seeing positive developments.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Stephanie Tau, Senior counsel with First Liberty, is to Sephanie.
We want to thank you for joining us today, but
before you go, please tell our listeners and viewers how
they can follow the work of the First Liberty Institute
and find out more about this case yues.

Speaker 10 (01:24:16):
You can follow this case and all of our other
cases at firstliberty dot.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Org Firstliberty dot Org. Again, Stephanie, thank you so much
for joining us. Take care, God bless and you are
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Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
And welcome back, Welcome back to your Conservative Commandos with
George Landruth, I'm Rick Dreider come in to you from
the MIPEL Studios. My Stewart studios of the aun TV network.
One of my fun parts of the show George is
the uh two minute thingy what do you got for
us today?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Well, I thought it was interesting there was an article
or an editorial in the Baltimore Sun, which would be
it's a liberal town and probably a liberal paper, and
yet they read an article that talked about how the
Democrats have any problem And it was interesting because I
think that's very true because right now, if you believe
the polling data, it looks like he might be the

(01:28:08):
winner of the mayoral race in New York, and that
Democrats in New York might be really excited about that
because that's who they're voting for. And but what's interesting
though that the article points out is that Republicans will
actually have lots of things to be happy about because
he will basically give them lots to meet about and

(01:28:29):
talk about, and it'll illustrate the extremism of the Democratic
Party that socialism's a bad idea, and just show how
radically out of touch the super left is. And so
there'll be lots of when he becomes the face of
the Democratic Party, it'll be much easier for the Republicans
to really attack the Democratic Party, you know, it's harder,

(01:28:53):
for example, if they have somebody who pretends and does
a good job at being more moderate. An examp would
be Bill Clinton was better at that, and so he
was able to help strengthen the Democratic Party in a
couple different ways, and that's why he won two elections,
even with some of his own electoral kind of problems
because of his behavior. You're still able to win because

(01:29:14):
he was seen as moderate. But nobody's going to see
man Danny as moderate, and so if he wins, it'll
be the extreme version of a Walls winning or these
other kind of kooks that have won, but it'll be
the news a lot. So the article kind of points
out that Republicans might be celebrating if he wins. Maybe

(01:29:38):
not the ones that live in New York, but maybe
other Republicans will see this as a real opportunity to
illustrate to America. It's kind of like, you know, the way,
on some level, I'm not saying I'm happy about what
Joe Biden did to America, but what he did to
America also, I think caused the pendulum to swing. And
I'm not sure if you'd told me, say, four years

(01:30:02):
ago that Donald Trump was going to win in a landslide.
I would say, oh, I mean, he might be able
to win, but I don't think it's going to be
a landslide. He's just going to win in a tight
election if things go well. He went on a landslide,
and part of that is Americans were woken up by
just the horrific nature of Joe Biden's presidency, and then

(01:30:22):
it caused them to reflect and think back on Donald
Trump's presidents They kind of said, yeah, that was a
lot better. I think I'll go with that. So on
some level, a ton of what you might call independent
voters switched their vote from Democrat to Republican because they
were forced to deal with the extremism of the left.
On Danny is going to do the same thing. He's

(01:30:46):
he'll be a lot more extreme than Joe Biden because
Joe Biden sometimes tried to sound moderate. His policies, of course,
were not moderate, but occasionally when he would talk, he
would kind of pretend to be a little more moderate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Well he may have pretended, but nothing that Joe o'biden
did during his tenure his four years in the presidency
was moderate, but trorge I have a question for you.
As you say, if you look at the polls today,
Mandanny is going to win that race. However, However, if

(01:31:22):
the race was just between Mandanny and Maryokuamo, guess what
Mandanny loses, Quama wins. Now, there are two other candidates.
You've got. You've got Adams mayor Adams current mayor Adams
who's running as an independent. Alsoe, you have Curtis Sleewah

(01:31:43):
who's running as a Republican. Now as the polls are
right now, Adams is about about seven or eight percent. Yeah,
Sleewah is about twenty two percent now. Polls and we've
talked about polls before. Poles are fun, they're in entertaining,
but they mean nothing. It's like the NFL. It's like

(01:32:04):
the Major League standings doesn't mean the damn thing to last, say,
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Yeah, yeah, it's like looking at the preseason record. You know,
every single time the Redskins won a Super Bowl, they
had a losing record or in some cases won no
preseason games.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Right, So, George, what poles are telling us now that
if Adams and slee Wah drop out and those votes
go to Cuomo And I'm no fan of Cuomo. I'm
no fan of Cuomo, but I'm less of a fan
of Man Dandy. Oh yeah, that guess what Cuomo wins. So, George,

(01:32:43):
my question to you is, do you think that Adams,
who is the President mayor Democrat President Mayor and Curtis
Leewah should drop out throw their support to Cuomo just
to keep this Sky out of office.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Well, they may do that because there I think they
may be hoping that they can, you know, they're staying
in it right now, hoping that that maybe the Poles
would close a little bit and they'd look stronger. But
I think, you know, by the end of September, I
think if the polls continue to suggest that Cuomo is
the is the preferred other option, then they may want

(01:33:25):
to pull out because there's no real reason to continue
running and just lose and then empower a socialist to win.
I know that sliel Wall doesn't want that, and I
kind of doubt that Eric Adams does because not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
How much they really love the city of New York Georgia.
If they did that show how much wouldn't it really
show how much Adams and love the city, think the
city want the best for the city.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Yeah, shows a very good point they would put that,
I would demonstrate that they basically put the the city's
interests ahead of their own. That's why I'm not saying
that he wins. I'm saying if the polls today were
if the vote were taken today, based on what the
polling says, then maybe he would this you know, crazy
left wing kook. But on some level, you make a

(01:34:16):
very good point that these guys might say, you know what,
I love my home too much and it doesn't look
like I'm going to win, and I'm not going to
stick around so that I help win a guy that's
going to destroy our state, because that's what Mendani is
going to do. He's going to destroy the state or
excuse me, the city, and he'll do great damage to

(01:34:37):
the state itself because in New York City obviously is
a huge important element to the state of New York
and so hit the damage he will do a will
far beyond the boundaries of the city.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Well, according to a new poll. This is a poll
put out by CBS News in New York City's mayor race.
This poll is about ten days old, but it's the
closest I can find right now. That meant just just
that quick that the screen changed on me that Mondany

(01:35:13):
has about forty eight I'm sorry, forty two percent. Cuomo
has about twenty three point five. Shleewah actually has sixteen
point five. Eric Adams about eight point eight eight percent
unread or undecided. But if you if my Mandany is

(01:35:38):
only getting forty two percent of the support, George, that's
fifty eight percent of the votes he doesn't have. Yeah,
and again takes takes slee Wah Adams out of it
and give their support to Cuomo. Cuomo wins. Yeah, Cuomo wins.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Yeah. I know you're right about that. Like I know
that neither you or I are a fan of Cuomo.
It's not as if we're hoping, you know, he wins,
but you know, he might be damaging to the state
of or to the City of New York and the
State of New York, but probably moderately. So you know
what I mean, I don't see that because he's not

(01:36:22):
just a he's not a communist, and ma'am Danny is
he's not just a socialist. He is a communist. And
so it's like he's going to do tremendous damage and
Cuomo is a liberal Democrat, so he'll do some damage.
But it's kind of like if someone asked you, would
you like to be shot by a rocket propelled grenade

(01:36:44):
or a BB gun? What would you pick that if
you had to pick one up. Yeah, I think I'd
take the BB gun. Same here, Hey, George.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
We had a couple of great guests that join us today.
Can please thank him for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Us absolutely well. Fred Lucas was great. He of course
is the manager of investigative Reporting project at the Daily Signal.
Great conversation with him about just some of these leftist
crazy governors, who are you know, all the just the
stupid kind of sanctuary state policies and so forth, and

(01:37:20):
that was very interesting, and then some of the corruption
both from people like Jasmine Crockett and just the Democratic
Party with Act Blue and so forth. And then we
had Stephanie Taub and she is the senior counsel with
First Liberty Institute and they of course deal with restoring
and protecting religious liberty. And great conversation with her as well,

(01:37:42):
just about these important things that matter because religious liberty
is in the First Amendment, and you know that's like
I think that means it's a high priority. And so
she made a good job of discussing how Trump has
worked hard to make sure that religious liberty is protected again,
because for a long time it was kind of perceived as,
oh yah, if you listen to the hardcore left, we

(01:38:04):
don't like religious liberty, we don't like religion. We want
to punish people are religious. And of course, like they're
doing in Great Britain, if you pray and they see
you doing so, they're going to arrest you. It's like, wow,
that's crazy. That's a totalitarian regime. And you know, the
Labor Party should be renamed. They're either the totalitarian Party

(01:38:25):
or they're the Rate Party, or maybe they're the totalitarian
Rate Party Georgia.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
Before we go, there's a couple of things that like
to like you to tell us about. One is Frontiers
of Freedom and the other is your new book.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Sure. Rounds of Freedom is the think tank that was
founded by Malcolm Wallap, who was a friend and ally
of Ronald Reagan's. He was, you know, the fellow who
introduced Ronald Reagan to the idea of missile defense. He
was just a great conservative leader and he founded Frontiers
of Freedom and it was my honor to be contacted
by him, asked you need to lead the organization, and

(01:39:03):
just it was a great opportunity. So f F dot
org is where you can find us. And then of
course my book let Freedom Ring Again. And the subtitle
to the book, because let freedom Ring Again is easy
to remember, right, let fegure it. But the subtitle is
can self evident truth save America from further decline? The

(01:39:23):
answer to that is yes, that they can, because the
Constitution and the principles of our decoration of independence are
very important. And so I have some historical analysis in here,
some economic analysis in here. It's a book that if
you believe that freedom and opportunity matter, this will make
the case for that and help you understand how and why.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
All right, thank you George for sitting in today as
my co house spot for right now we are out
of time. That means that we get to run and
we gotta go take care godless. We'll see it tomorrow.
That'll be on TV and on radio.

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