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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
And by the way, welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
As always to the Conservative Commandos Radio show. And I'm
Rick Trador coming to you from the my Pillar studios
and my store studios of the a u N TV
network and joining me today as my co host as
he does to the lead off the week is the
President and CEO of Frontiers of Freedom, and that is
George Landreth. And George, welcome back, Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's good to be here. After all, this is the
place to be.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Indeed it is Indeed it is George one of them.
I believe this is a momentous day in the history
not just of America but of the world that there
we finally, finally, after all this time, have a real
peace in the Middle East. We have a real peace
in Israel, we have a real peace in Gaza. And

(01:12):
I think it's the responsibility of one person and one
person only, and that is Donald J.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
How many presidents have we had that have tried to
bring peace to the Middle East, Probably all of them.
Maybe Jimmy Carter had a margin of success there, but
no one has had the success in the Middle East
the way that Donald Trump has. And I wanted to
get your views, in your opinions of the what was

(01:43):
announced today, this peace steal in the Middle East between
Israel and the Gaza Strip and the rest of the
Middle Eastern world.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
No, yeah, I mean I think he had and now
on the head President Donald Trump's Gaza peace steel marks
a story turning point in the Middle East. Of course,
he had a turning point in the Middle East in
his first term when he got all these different countries
to sign the Abraham Accords. But this one is even
more challenging because it ended two years of devastating conflict

(02:14):
between Israel and Amas. Israel was getting thousands of rockets
fired at it. Of course, they had the October seventh
attack in which thousands of Israelis were killed and raped
and other things, and then of course a couple hundred
hostages were taken and so forth. So this isn't you know,
ushering in a new phase of hope for peace, and
of course, because Hamas is one of the parties to this,

(02:37):
there's always the fear that maybe they won't keep their
end of the deal. But I think there's lots of
reasons to be optimistic. And I think if we look
at the headline that you see in the paper about
peace and Gaza. In a very stunning diplomatic breakthrough, President
Trump did in fact broker a landmark agreement between Israel
and Hamas and bringing an end to this war and

(02:58):
its claimton tends of thoughts, of lives and of course
displaced lots of people. And the deal was signed in Egypt,
and it's the first phase of his twenty point piece
plan and includes the full ceasefire, the release of all
living hostages and the return of all the corpses of
the dead hostages, and the beginning of humanitarian relief efforts.

(03:22):
So I think it's very interesting because those are some
big deals. There's wins on both sides there. The Palestinian
people have also suffered, largely because of the Hamas and
how they've been imposing a lot of that suffering on them.
At any rate, the final twenty Israeli hostages are held
by a moas Or returned this week, and Israel has

(03:43):
agreed to release Palestinian prisoners, people who have been tried
in courts and are serving life sentences, but they'll release them.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Let's put this one.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Let's hope they did some reforming while they were in jail,
because they didn't get sent to jailus because they're Palestinians.
They got sent to jail for committing terrorist crimes and
things like that. But anyway, Trump was flanked by world leaders,
so it's just very interesting that he was at the
center of all this and I'm trying to figure out
how did people at the Nobel Institute miss out on that?

(04:13):
Why is this not a huge big deal?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, just because this shit what has joked and Nobel
peace price is murders they give Barack Obama after Reeve
was in office for eleven days, you know, and they
gave him the peace price because it wasn't it wasn't
anything that he did. It's things that he said that
he would like to do Georgian. Among the twenty points

(04:38):
in the Donald Trump's Peace Plant, I think the one
to me that really sticks out is this one. Hamas
and other factions agree not to have any role in
the governance of Gaza directly or indirectly, or in any form.
All military, terror and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapons

(04:59):
for diction facilities, will be destroyed and not be rebuilt,
you know, Georgia, I think that this just shows the
total total victory of the idea of over Hamas, that Hamas,
according to this agreement, is now null and void and
will have no part in the governance of guss It.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I think this is huge.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
George, Well, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
It's kind of like after World War Two, we probably
weren't going to be putting up with the idea that
Nazis could, you know, continue to rule over Germany, and
of course because they got rid of the Nazis. In fact,
they are so anti Nazi in Germany now that if
you go to a Halloween party dressed up as Hitler
or as a Gestapo guy, then you go to prison.

(05:45):
That's how anti Hitler and Nazi they are there now.
So I think sometimes, you know, a country that you've
been at war with you can make peace with, assuming
that we can move past what was going on, and
so we'll see what happens if the Palestinians can learn
from this because of course they elected Hamas, they supported
Hamas and all that other stuff. But maybe what they've

(06:06):
realized in the last two years is not only was
Hamas killing them and causing all kinds of trouble, but
their leadership was so uninspired and so unhelpful that they
basically destroyed their community. And so hopefully the average Gosen
now is not pro Hamas, and if that's the case,
then that could be peace in the future. But of
course if there's this still the idea of we want

(06:28):
more October seventh, that's going to be a problem because
you can't have peace with people who want to come
in and just start killing and raping and taking hostages. Again, like,
what were the chances that are being like right now,
we have very close relationship with Japan. If Japan every
two years were attacking Hawaii, would we still be friends?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Of course not.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
The point is it didn't matter. I'm not saying I'm
a fan of what happened on Pearl Harbor Day. I'm
just saying that we can let that go. Because our
nations become friends, We cooperate with each other, we value
each other's friendships, and we treat each other as friends.
And so on some level that that that sort of
change of mindset is important.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And I'm not even sure it was.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
That important for the average Japanese person, because I doubt
the average Japanese person had it out for America in
nineteen forty one. Chances are it was a few military
leaders who did. And you know they because they had
the power, they did it. And so the question I
guess here would just be it's not that the countries
were at one time not friendly. The question is is

(07:35):
can they become friendly friendly with Germany during the war,
you know, and but but we are now and same
thing with Japan, and I'm proud of that, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Europe so the rest of Europe exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
You know, Germany was that we're.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
With all of Europe, Europe, if France was great, Britain, Belgium,
all except Italy. But they were there war with Europe
and NOLLA. Now they work with I won't say in
complete harmony, button in harmony of the others. You're right,
he's another point. Another point I wanted to ask you

(08:11):
about is the United States will work with the Arab
and international partners to develop a temporary international Stabilization Force.
The ISSF to immediately deploy to Gaza. The ISSF will
train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza,

(08:34):
and we'll consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Experience in this field.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
This force will be the long term international security solution.
The ISF will work with Israel in Egypt to help
secure border areas along with newly trained Palestinian police forces.
It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and
to facilitate in the rapid and secure flow of goods

(09:03):
to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. So George, what about this
i s F force that they're going to incorporate into
Gaza to replace the IDEF, to replace Hamas and what
are they to get your take on, Net, Well, I
think this is a chance of working.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
I think that helps that make it more likely to work,
because I, for example, my understanding is some of the
partners that will be working there, as you already mentioned,
were Egypt and Qatar, but also Turkey.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And the UAE.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
And you know, the UAE is.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
A friend of ours and our ally, and these are
people who for example, have signed Abraham Accords, and so
I think they'd like there not to be lots of
violence going on between the two. So if the Palestinians
were to reorganize and the mass starts reorganizing with them,
I think that these groups will be willing to stop
them and say who whoa, whoa, We're not okay with that,

(09:57):
because you know what's interesting is none of these countries
actually is terribly fond of the Palestinian people in the
sense that they're willing to send aid or help, but
they weren't that interested, for example, on having them. You know,
Palestinians relo to relocate to their country. So it seems
to me that these people will be just because someone
might say, oh, well, they're all Arabs and they're kind
of you know, they're Muslim countries, so they'll they'll help

(10:18):
a Moss And I'm thinking of myself, well maybe not.
I don't think they actually are big Hamas fans, and
they're also allies with us, both in terms of on
paper but also economically, so they probably have a lot
of incentive to not empower or re empower a Moss group.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Well, George, doesn't this in a way put a wedge
in Israel's ability to go in and take out a
problem if they're attacked again, either by rockets or by
an invasion, because now is now. If the idea reacts
and goes in there to get the bad guys, well

(10:58):
before they get to the bad guys, they got to
get past this is F force, which is primarily going
to be made up of troops from Egypt, from Jordan,
from other places. So does this create a problem for Israel, Well,

(11:18):
it could.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
In the sense that even if there were U.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
S troops there, it would create a problem in the
sense that if they were to retaliate against the Palestinians
and then ended up killing a bunch of American soldiers
who were in the area, Americans wouldn't really like that much.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
You know, pretty off.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
What thing these aren't.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
These aren't the Blue Hill helmitted United Nations troops, and
hopefully they're not Americans either. I don't want Americans going
in there under the terms of peacekeepers. We saw how
we saw how disasters this was in the past. Whenever
Americas went somewhere as a peacekeeper, Americans come home in

(11:58):
body backs.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't want to see.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, now I don't either.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
So I think that obviously having a peacekeeping force will
limit in some ways what Israel can do as a
response if there's other attacks, because it would be kind
of bad pr to accidentally kill a bunch of peacekeepers
from Allied nations.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I think they understand that.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
But the other thing too might be is that those
One of the things might be would be if the
peacekeepers are there and this happens, it may well be
that they're all removed and they also say we'll leave,
and then basically Israel can just come in and attack.
It will, So I think there has to be a
pretty strong message to the Gossins and especially the Moss

(12:39):
people who are still there, that if you do this again,
you're gonna get wiped out.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
All right, George, it's good breaking hear. We actually been
a little long in that segment. But this is such
a meant to stay it's hard not to go along sometimes.
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
And thank you for sticking with us. This is the
Conservative Commander's Radio Show with George Landerth and your Shirley
Rick Trader coming to hear from the My Pillar studios
and My Store studios of the au n TV network.
And George, I think the offense of today, this peace
deal in the Middle East goes to show what a farce,

(16:34):
what a farce the Nobel Peace Prize was. I mean,
this is the eighth war that Donald Trump stopped, not
the not the first, but the eighth, the eighth that
he stopped in just the nine ten months of his
second administration, and yet the Nobel Peace Prize ignores that,

(16:57):
totally ignores that. I'm reminded of the days or the
day back in the very very very early part of
the Obama administration, when he'd only been in office for
a few months, he was given the the Peace Prize

(17:18):
and Nobel Peace Prize and he didn't do it a
thing right.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And here Donald.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Trump has stopped wars, stop killing, and yet the Nobel
Priece committee ignores him. You know, George, maybe maybe it's
good that Donald Trump didn't get this award because by
not getting this award, it shows that the Nobel Peace

(17:43):
Prize committee is a joking who wants to be associated
with the joke unless you're a comedian.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, that's a good point. No, that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
I mean, because it's not just the Israel moss or
Gaza war. There's also a outbreak of troubles between Indi
and Pakistan, both of whom are nuclear powers. There was
also a peace agreement between Armenia and Azerbaijan because Armenia
had attacked Azerbaijan several years ago and taken a large

(18:13):
section of its country, and then Azerbaijan a few years later,
you know, drove them out and got its country back,
but there's still some land that they didn't get back,
and the you know, the fear was there might be
continuing hostilities. But Donald Trump helped them work out a
peace agreement, and both of them talked about how it
was a good, you know, good for both of their countries,

(18:35):
and that he deserved the Nobel Prize. That you got
the same thing out of Indian Pakistan, same response. And
while there wasn't a formal peace deal in Venezuela, Trump
supported the opposition leader who actually was given the Nobel
Peace Prize.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Interestingly enough, and.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yet she's just trying to promote democratic reform because of
course the Venezuelan government is the totalitarian dictators.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And also her response to winning the prize that I
thought was, yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Than should have gotten it, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
And then of course he's also done a lot to
de escalate tensions between North and South Korea, and he's
of course working very diligently to solve the problems in
Ukraine and Russia. And I think we'll see that eventually,
but it probably takes a little longer because Putin, quite frankly,
is I know the Left likes to call Republicans.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
Hilarian, but Putin is hilarian.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
He's basically a dictator, and he doesn't care about his
own people. He's happy to have them killed in battle
because what he wants is to rebuild the Soviet Empire
and get credit for it. And if it means that
lots of his countrymen have to die in the process,
he doesn't care.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So it's gonna be you know.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
So that's a hard work there, but I still think
he'll get it done.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
Then.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
He also has worked in Sudan to engage in diplomacy
to reduce the civil kind of war and strife that's
going on in Saddan. And also did I mentioned Afghanistan
and Pakistan?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Not yet, Yeah, now you have.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
That's another one that he recently turned attention to rising
tensions between them and helped solve those problems. So I
think myself, that'd be a really good record for full
four years, But that's a ridiculous record for eight or
nine months. It's crazy. I don't mean crazy in a
bad way. I just mean it's kind of like, does

(20:31):
this man ever go to sleep at night.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
George, I think that what this points out is it
points out how the world looks at a strong leader
rather than a week leader. There was a book written many,
many years ago by a gentleman by name of Being West.
It was called the Strongest Tribe and it was written
right after the Surge in Iraq. And you know, during

(20:56):
the Iraq War, you had a lot of these warlords
that we're fighting against us, and then after the surge
come over to our side. And bing West asked one
of these warlords, why did you switch size?

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And this warlord said.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
To him, well, you do not know our history, because
if you knew our history, you would know that we
always followed the strongest tribe. And I think that's the
difference between somebody like Donald Trump and somebody like a
Joe o'biden or a Barack Obama. They displayed nothing but weakness,

(21:32):
and the world detests weakness. Other than other weaklings, the
world detest weakness. They see the strength of a Donald Trump.
They see it Donald Trump that has taken decisive action,
for instance with Iran, with the by blowing up their

(21:54):
nuclear facilities. They see it Donald Trump that says to
be ben Yahoo, go at Hamas, take them out, you know, reduce.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Them so they can.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
They maybe not always like strength, but they respect it.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
And to the to.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
The Arab world, respect is everything. And I think to
all these conflicts you're talking about, you're dealing with people
that will respect strength and disdain weakness.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, yeah, I think that's very clear.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
And it's unfortunate that so many of our presidential leaders,
other than people say like Ronald Reagan and of course
Donald Trump, they believe it in peace through strength and
being strong. Isn't this about threatening people, It's about them
respecting you and going, Okay, they're powerful, I'm going to

(22:50):
respect them. And so it would make sense for us
to you know, not have that be a political issue anymore.
It's kind of like, can we get back to a
world where things like free speech aren't political issues, freedom
of religion isn't political issues, the value of our constitution,
the idea.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Of peace through strength.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
How about we just kind of agreed, like do we
have to debate gravity every day?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
We have to do?

Speaker 4 (23:12):
You know, It's like, come on, there's some things that
are just kind of obviously necessary and true.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Let's stick with them. Let's not be stated.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Well, you're speaking about weakness. We got to talk about
the Congress of the United States. We're in another government
shut down, and Georgia, I'm going to ask you to
do I'm going to do a little bit of math.
I'm going to ask you to do a little bit
of mathematical situation for me. So you have every Republican

(23:39):
senator say one vote to keep the government open. You
have every Democrat senator say three vote to shut the
government down. George, look at those figures and tell me
who is responsible for the government shut down. The Republicans
voted to keep the government open or the Democrats who

(24:02):
overwhelmingly voted to shut it down.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, it's clearly it's the Chuck Schumer shutdown. Because in
order to pass legislation in the Senate, you have to
have sixty votes to stop the you know, the idea
that they can essentially prevent votes and things like that.
So if you want to see the filibuster, yep, yeah,
if you want to stop debate and the filibuster and

(24:25):
actually hold a vote, you have to have sixty people who.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Say, yeah, let's let's vote on this.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
And the Democrats are refusing to and because it's a
closely divided I mean, if the Republicans had, for say,
let's say the Republicans had sixty two members of the
Senate and then there was a shutdown.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
It would be their fault. But they don't.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
They have fifty three, and so as a result, they
can't get to sixty unless at least seven Democrats agree.
And it's kind of interesting because I didn't think this
was going to be the case, but it seems that
maybe Senator Federal out of you know, that's the people,

(25:04):
it's far more rational and reasonab than I thought he
would be of all the people. Yeah, when you listen
to him when he was running, and then also if
you look at his political kind of track record, he
seemed like he was an extremist, but he's turned out
to Maybe I don't know, if it's just the fact
that you know, Donald Trump won that state, you know,
and so all of a sudden he realizes, well, if

(25:25):
I want to have a long career here, I can't
just be an idiot. So maybe it just he was
forced to wake up. I don't know, I don't know
what the motive is, but all I'm saying is he's
now actually a pretty rational human being, something I did
not think.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I'd be saying about years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Did you No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
And you know what, this is going to sound a
little crass, but George, maybe that the stroke he had
did something to his brain to make him more logical
and make more sense. It's it's sorry to have to
say that, but to my gush, the two seem to
correspond with with that with one another is you know,

(26:06):
I did want to say one more thing about this
government shutdown. Remember that don't let a crisis, don't let
it cris right, don't let a CRISTI is good. Well
here Donald Trump is not letting this government shutdown.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Good ways.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
He's rifting thousands, thousands of government police and in church,
we've got two million government polices. I don't think we
need any more. I think we could do with a
hell of a lot less than two million government plees.
I think that there are so many, so many departments
and agencies, There are duplications of another one another that

(26:43):
can shut down entire departments and agencies, and you know what,
the government would continue to function. So good for Donald
Trump for taking advantage of this and using it to
shrink the size of government.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Well, I agree, little more than dose work. But it's
just frustrating because when you look at this, the left
play is the game that you know, Oh this is
it's them.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
It's like that it was you.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
The House passed a clean continuing resolution to keep the
government funded at existing levels. There were no new policy writers,
in other words, so they weren't playing politics. It was
just we'll continue on with the current cuts and the
things that everyone voted for already, and then that was
going to give them some more time to then have

(27:29):
a debate and vote on things and so forth. But
any know, the Senate Democrats, led by Schumer, rejected that bill,
and they'd demand all kinds of provisions, including a permanent
extension of the Affordable Care Act subsidies that were expanded
temporarily during COVID and the Democrats had them sunset, but
now they want them to become permanent. And why because

(27:51):
the Affordable Care Act was a lie. It's not the
Affordable Care Act. It has skyrocketed the cost of health
care and of insurance, and so they want to have
subsidies to hide that fact from the average American. And
then on top of that, they also want funding for
healthcare coverage for undocumented immigrants, illegal aliens, et cetera. And
the Republicans are saying, no, we haven't done that in

(28:13):
the past. You guys have said all along, that's not legal,
and now you're trying to make it legal, and you're
setting in the government to do it. So who's setting
down the government? The answer it is obviously, it is
clearly it is one hundred percent on the shoulders of
the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
All right, georch bgrdon take a little break. But after
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Speaker 4 (32:04):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. I'm glad you stuck
around because we always have the very best guests on
TV and there ad and we've got Ronald Kessler here
to prove that that's the case. He is a former
Washington Post and Wall Street Journal investigative reporter, and he
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(32:26):
Fox and Friends. They've said that about him, and I
have to agree. He is a very, very capable journalist,
and he is a good investigator. He's also a friend
of liberty and our constitution and facts matter to him.
And so that's nice to see because sometimes we've gotten
use in recent years where some people in the media

(32:48):
seem to be more about propaganda. But that's not who
Ronald Kessler is. He's about what's the truth, what's been happening.
He's also a New York Times best selling author of
The Trump White House, Changing the Rules of the Game
and the Secrets of the FBI, and he's also written
I think well more than a dozen, perhaps about two

(33:09):
dozen other books that are many of them are about
the CIA, the FBI, and the Secret Service. And so
he's done lots of research and written a lot of
interesting books and he's always a great source. So Ron,
I'm really glad to have you here today.

Speaker 10 (33:22):
Thank you, and thank you for that great introduction.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I wanted to ask you about, you know, the current
FBI is trying to go back and see what's been
going on at the FBI that has kind of, you know,
seen fuel the weaponization and politicalization of the FBI, and
then some people are acting like it's just being political itself.
And so I wanted to ask you if you've gotten

(33:47):
any information and resource in that, because I did read
an article that you had written on that and that
thought it was very interesting and very insightful.

Speaker 12 (33:55):
Well, the incredible thing is that what I wrote about
in that article, which appeared in the Washington Times, was
the real most scandalous thing the FBI did under coomy,
And somehow this is ignored all around, and yet it's
the real facts, and the real facts are in the

(34:19):
book written by Andrew McCabe, who was Deputy FBI Director
and acting FBI director at the time all this happened.
And in his book he explains why he opened the
investigation into Trump, not the one into the campaign and

(34:41):
whether Russia is influencing, but actually targeted Trump in counterintelligence investigation.
And he writes in the book that he also convinced
the Attorney General to appoint a special counsel to investigate Trump.
And what was the basis The base is right in

(35:01):
black and white in his book, which is that Trump
appeared on Lester Hold and he said, uh, when I
looked into this, I thought about the Russia. Uh, I
thought about the Russia thing. It was sort of confusing
when I decided to close down this not closed down,

(35:26):
but but when I looked into it, and then Trump
went on to say, but I knew that, you know,
if I fired call me, uh, it would just prolonged
the whole investigation. And I wanted I wanted to be
done thoroughly. Well, where did that appear in the Game's book.
Nowhere he admitted the counterfeit countervailing truth to support the

(35:53):
idea that he should have opened this investigation. So the
whole thing is a fraud and it's right there in
his book and nobody picks it up.

Speaker 10 (36:02):
It's the crazy, craziest thing.

Speaker 12 (36:04):
But it's not the first time I uncovered things that
were crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, one of the things that I thought was kind
of interesting was the you know, the Russian collusion kind
of thing. The FBI knew that that was something that
came from the Hillary Clinton campaign, and yet they pretended
and they told courts that it was credible and real
and blah blah blah. And I'm thinking to myself, but

(36:30):
Trump looking into that and the current FBI looking into
why the FBI would do that, is somehow supposed to
be politicizing the FBI. And I think myself, I think
the previous thing is politicizing the FBI. You know, It's
kind of like if a if a judge, for example,
is taking bribes to decide cases, that's criminal. And so

(36:51):
if a subsequent administration were to look into the judges
behavior and found that it was accepting cash payments to
render certain decisions, that's not the attempt to violate the
separation of powers. It would be like, I'm sorry, that's
not the rule of law. That's not permissible, that's illegal,
and we're going to have to stop that, and so
I'm just trying to figure out if you can help

(37:11):
us understand what the you know, because we're just talking
about craziness.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Let's talk about some more craziness.

Speaker 12 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, Now, you're absolutely right the effort to overturn
some of these things which happened because of the atmosphere
that Comy created in the FBI to go after Trump,
and it was McCabe who actually implemented these investigations, and.

Speaker 10 (37:38):
So far.

Speaker 12 (37:40):
There haven't been any instances of improper conduct by the FBI. Now,
I don't like the indictment of Komy. I think it's
very flimsy, but it'll be up to the judges in
the courts to decide.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
That fair enough.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
And I haven't gone through to read the indictment. It
does seem that somewhat Komi did was kind of interesting
that in since the very atypical how they used certain attempts.
I think it was with it with General Flynn, right,
and they just it seems like they were trying to
set up the administration.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
And I'm kind of troubled by that. But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
If that's something you can put him in jail for.
Or not, but it definitely would suggest that he was
playing politics and using the FBI to be a political
player as opposed to a law enforcement agency.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
That does worry me.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
But but I was going to ask you to help
us understand more about what's going on with people like
McCabe and others that were involved in some of this
you know behavior. Yeah, and hopefully we can get the
FBI to get back to being, you know, the premier
law enforcement agency on the planet.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
This is when I was growing up as a kid.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
That's what I always thought of it as is the
FBI was, you know, one of the greatest law enforcement.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Agencies and stuff.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
But I guess there's some history there because I think
Jay Edgar Hoover had some down moments as well, that's
for sure.

Speaker 10 (39:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
Now the FBI overall is doing a fantastic job of
going after especially foreign terrorists and foreign spies.

Speaker 10 (39:30):
They're doing a great job.

Speaker 12 (39:32):
The reason we have not had a successful foreign terrorist
attacks since nine eleven is the f B. I every
few months you see in the papers that they rolled
up this plot and that plot, and that's that's why
we've been safe. And that's certainly his most important thing
to know about the FBI today, but the they definitely

(39:55):
went down the wrong road under Komi and very you know,
embarrassing and shocking that the FBI didn't adhere to what
you thought of as there you know, great great traditions
under company.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Well, one thing I was going to ask about is
I'm thinking, I'm a lawyer, and if I were to,
for example, go to a judge to obtain a warrant
of some sort and I or some other court order,
and I were to lie to the judge and present
him with things that I knew were false, but yet
swear to the judge under oath that they were true,

(40:35):
and the judge relied upon them. And then later it
came out that I'd lie to the judge and it
was false, and so forth, not only would I be disbarred,
I would also end up serving time in jail for that.
So I'm trying to figure out we're people in the
FBI doing some of that same thing, because I'm trying
to figure out why they're in the FBI doing that.
That's okay for them, but me, just as a private lawyer,

(40:57):
he's got to be disbarred and sent to jail.

Speaker 12 (40:59):
Yeah, was a lawyer in the FBI who did exactly
what you just described, to the point that he altered
an email from the CIA which essentially exonerated a low
level aid in the Trumpet campaign by Panopolus saying that

(41:23):
he was actually working with the CIA and so there
was no reason to go after him, and this lawyer
changed the email. Well he was despired, but just for
a year, which is I think, you know, outrageous for
doing that and totally totally corrupt. And again, I think
it's because of the atmosphere that Gomi and McCabe created

(41:47):
in the FPI, when people started to think it was
acceptable to.

Speaker 10 (41:53):
Distort the truth in order to go after Trump.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
What is the likelihood that someone like in McCabe or
a Komi encouraged him to do that so that they could,
you know, pursue the.

Speaker 9 (42:06):
Things that they seem to want to pursue. Because I'm
thinking to.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Myself, I doubt Komy didn't know that the Russia collusion stuff.
I mean, I think he clearly knew that it was
all false, and yet he never ever acted as if
that was the case, nor did the you know, attorney's
going before the judges signing off on things and it's
seeming to me a cave would have to know about that,
so so would Comy. And yet they were okay with

(42:31):
it because it was suiting the goals that they had
or the purposes that they had, as opposed to the
law and the constitution and the rule of law. So
it kind of troubles me that they behaved like that.
But I don't know how much of what's the what
are the terms of the indictment? Are they about those
kinds of things? Are they about other issues?

Speaker 12 (42:49):
Now that the indictment is very narrow and is he said,
she said between Komi and McCabe, and whether you know
any other authorized some some very minor thing. But as
you alluded to before, the question is is there any
penalty for any of this? And in almost every case

(43:12):
there is, There is not. You know, the fact that
Ivan McCabe opened this investigation into into Trump based on
nothing is not a criminal offense.

Speaker 10 (43:23):
You know, he would have if we knew better at
the time, he should have been fired.

Speaker 12 (43:29):
But a lot of this cannot be resurrected now, but
it's certainly important to get it out publicly.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, So it'll just see what happens and stuff I
think I read somewhere where the judge that's the presider
of this case was a Biden appointed judge, and that
strikes me as probably not a good sign, because I'm
not saying that Komi shouldn't get a fair trial, but
I don't think much of Biden's appointments that they seem
to be very political oriented, and so I'm wondering if

(44:02):
that's all we're going to get is politics out of
this guy. But perhaps you have a little more information
on who he is, because it may be unfair to
assume that just because he's appointed by Biden, that's who
he is, Because if you appoint fifty judges, it might
be that forty nine of them are bums. There might
be one that's actually focused on the rule of law
and what's the story behind this judge?

Speaker 12 (44:23):
Best Judge Boseburg, and he actually has a very good
reputation among both Republicans and Democrats, so I think he's
going to be fair.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I think that's important because I believe in the rule
of law, and so I would not want a judge
who basically says I hate Komy. So I want him convicted,
and I don't care what the facts are we're just
going to get nail the guy.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I'd be like, that's not a good way to go.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I have to have a fair trial and have facts
override political viewpoints. So I hope that's what happens here.
Even though I'm not a big fan of Jim Comy,
I just kind of feel like it doesn't matter whether
you like someone or not. Everyone has a right to
a fair trial. It's why they call them any ailable rights,
you know, because they're not rights that you take away.

(45:10):
We've got to take a quick break here. We're run
up against the clock. But I'm very glad we've got
Ron Kessler hair because he is just a fabulous investigative
reporter who gives us great information.

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Speaker 4 (48:56):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos, and I'm glad you
stuck because, like I tell you every week, we do
have the very best guests. And Ron Kessler is here
to prove that he's done a great job in our
first segment and we're fortunately have him around for a
second segment. And I wanted to ask Ron about I
think an important issue that's out there, and it's about
global warming. Because it becomes very political, it ought to

(49:19):
be a scientific topic. It ought to be a fact
based topic. And since quite frankly, Ron is an expert
at doing research and investigative reporting, focusing on facts, not
on political angles just alone and propaganda, etc. He's a
guy that doesn't believe in propaganda. He believes in facts
and looks for him. So I want to talk a

(49:41):
little bit about global warming, because on the one hand,
if you take the data that's out there, it does
not support the idea that man is causing radical changes
to the environment and that it's going to destroy the
earth and make it uninhabitable necessarily. I mean, obviously we
want to be careful, we don't pollute, but CO two

(50:01):
is actually not a pollutant. Plants need CO two and
right now I'm exhaling CO two and so are you,
and so are our viewers and listeners. And they could
be in a house or in a small room if
they were exhaling CO two, it wouldn't kill them because
it's something that we need that and our planet needs it.

(50:21):
It causes plants to grow, and we need plants. So
I just wanted to ask you help us understand kind
of how political this has got. You know, I know
that you care about the environment. I know that you
care about the earth. You actually have family, sons, probably grandchildren.
You want them to enjoy a long life long after
you and I aren't here anymore. I do too, And

(50:42):
so it's not that we don't care about the planet,
it's that we want to deal with it in a
factual way.

Speaker 10 (50:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (50:49):
Now, as you indicate it, there has been a very
slight warming of the Earth since the Industrial Age started,
about one point seven fahrenheit degrees. But the question is
does that have any ended with human activity? And the
answer is no. And in my op ed in the

(51:10):
Washington Times, I said, if you want to know why
Biden's whole climate agenda is a is a hoax, read
the New York Times and read the Washington Post. I said,
Buried inside both papers were reports of the official source

(51:32):
on how much carbon dioxide there is in the in
the atmosphere. And that official source, government source said that
during the pandemic, when everything shut down, nobody was driving,
nobody was they stopped flights, they curtailed trains. You would

(51:53):
think that there'd be a huge decrease in carbon carbon
dioxide emissions. No, in fact, there was a slight increase
according to these official measurements. So that demonstrates that human
activity has nothing to do with with carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere. Of course, that was never picked up by

(52:14):
anybody either. It's just insane what kind of myths there
are in our discourse and are not being exposed by journalists.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
Yeah, well, you know, example would be we've had many
ice ages, and the Industrial revolution, if you will, kind
of began after a cooling trend had occurred, and so
that may be why people can say, oh, see it's
been warming since the industrial trend.

Speaker 9 (52:43):
It's like, well, but that doesn't mean it caused it.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
And an example could be I could wash my car
and then it could start raining, and then I could
blame the fact that I washed my car that it rained,
and yet we all know that's just kind of you know,
silly and so on some level. And the other thing
that kind of I find curious about it is sometimes
when I've asked people to give me the evidence that
climate change is in fact, you know, real and so forth,

(53:09):
they'll give me what they call computer models that predict
the future. And I'm thinking, a nice Wait a minute,
So if I've created I could create a computer model
that would tell you who the next ten Super Bowl
victors would be, is that proof they.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Win the Super Bowl? No, it's just a projection.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
And what's interesting is is these projections, when you go
back in time and then you know, put the data
in and see what it does, it turns out that
it's not accurate.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
So that would be kind of like me predicting.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Let's say that the San Diego Padres will win the
next ten World Series and then they don't win any
or that the Washington Commanders were supposed to have won
the last ten Super Bowls and of course they didn't
win any of those. The last time they won a
Super Bowl was when Joe Gibbs was around and they
were the Redskins. That was a while ago. You know,
it's over thirty years ago. So my point is a projection,

(53:59):
isn't the fact. It's just somebody saying this is what
I think may happen in the future. So I want
to ask you your take on.

Speaker 10 (54:05):
This absurd just like rolling the dives.

Speaker 12 (54:10):
But another incredible thing is that in his first State
of the Union message, Biden said, as we know, the
US accounts for only fifteen percent of the carbon dioxide
emissions in the world, And he said, and so if
even if we reduced our emissions, it wouldn't make any

(54:31):
difference because you know, we only account for fifteen percent.
Where was that picked up in the media, hardly anywhere,
you know, Fox News picked it up, but it's in
the official White House transcript of the State of the Union.
So he totally undercout his whole global warming initiative and
all these billions of dollars being spent to combat so

(54:54):
called global warming and again totally ignored by the media.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Oh yeah. Another thing too is when they did things
to stop global warming, they tended to name them things
that had nothing to do with that, like example, the
Inflation Reduction Act, which is basically kind of the New
Green New Deal, you know, but by a false name.
And I think you can make mistakes, and it doesn't
mean that you're being dishonest, but when you try to

(55:21):
hide the mistake that you've made by using falsehoods and things,
that's revealing. An example would be if if I were
accused of robbing a bank yesterday and then I lied
about where I was yesterday, that might be evidence that
I'm trying to hide my involvement, whereas if I just
tell you the truth about where I was, and I

(55:42):
can demonstrate where I was, and it wasn't anywhere near
a bank. That's helpful, But I think sometimes when you're
lying about things, you're hiding something.

Speaker 12 (55:51):
Oh sure, very obvious, but you know, it seems that
everybody in our political world this line all the time. Now,
were's this kind of use to it?

Speaker 4 (56:02):
Yeah, well, I was going to ask you on with
climate change and just kind of moving forward. You know,
Obviously I want us to not pollute the world so
that when I walk outside, I can hardly breathe because
it's awful. I think any rational human being would be
against polluting our world. But at the same time, it's
not like if I go out and cook hamburgers on

(56:22):
a grill, I'm polluting the world, making it uninhabitable, for example.
Because that's the case, then cavemen who built a fire
to keep themselves warm in the winter or to cook
their food, we're destroying the environment. And I'm not sure
that's evidence, because I think the earth clearly has almost
a cleansing mechanism in it, because if it didn't, the
oceans would be completely polluted now because for hundreds of

(56:44):
thousands of years, if not millions of years, fish have
been in their peeing, and so obviously the ocean can
clean itself. Because if I have a fish bowl in
my house, it's a gallon size. If I don't never
clean it, the fish will die inside because they'll basically
just be, you know, swimming in their own pea. So
my point is the same thing with the air. You know,

(57:04):
if after hundreds of thousands of years of cavemen and
then other people, you know, having a fire in their
fireplace to keep their housewarms so they don't freeze to death,
if we were just slowly filling up the Earth's atmosphere
with smoke, by now, we'd all be dead. But the
reality is, the atmosphere seems to be able to kind
of clean itself as long as we don't overdo it.

(57:25):
And that's why, for example, there there was a time
when many cities had really bad problems with pollution, but
of late, the air pollution is becoming less of a
bad problem in most areas because we've been good about
ratcheting down the pollution we put into the air, and
we seem to be we must be below the levels

(57:45):
that the earth can clean. So I just wanted to
ask you kind of help us understand that is what
I'm saying making sense, and what's your thought on it.

Speaker 12 (57:52):
Yeah, well, obviously, air pollution has diminished drastically because of
the improvements that we have instilled in our various you know,
automobiles and other possible pollutants. So that is not a
problem anymore, just isn't. And you know, but the the

(58:16):
left keeps coming up with these ways to point out
dangers that don't exist and ways to spend billions of
dollars to combat it. It's a crazy, crazy atmosphere. And
of course Trump is taking on that.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Fine, it's a good point. Ron, We've got you know,
we've got maybe two minutes left. So I wanted to
have you help us walk through the various ways that
we can keep connected with you, because I feel like
our viewers and listeners, if they follow the things that
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(59:01):
as opposed to propaganda. So I think that you help
people be better citizens because I would argue that part
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(59:23):
for crazy stuff or things that are just bogus. So
I wanted to ask you to tell us all the
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our political IQ, our citizenship IQ will go up if
we spend our time reading the things that you write about.

Speaker 10 (59:39):
I appreciate that well.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
I think the best way is to go to my
website Ronald Kessler dot com and on the last page
it lists some of them. More when I think of
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my books twenty.

Speaker 10 (01:00:04):
One so far, and I think that's enough for now.

Speaker 12 (01:00:08):
As you said, FPI see CI Secret Service, White House
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so that's another way, of course, by ordering through Amazon.
And I think that's enough to keep you busy well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
And I can recommend the books because my wife and
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We were, you know, struggle over who got to read it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
First, and then you were very kind and sent a
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And you're lucky to have a good marriage, so we
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Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
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The Conservative commandos will be right back after these messages.
But we are very pleased to have had Ron Kessler,
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Thank you, George, I enjoyed it.

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Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. I'm glad you stuck
around because we had the very best guests on TV
and radio, and we have Tom del Blacaro here to
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News contributor. He's also the former chairman of the California
Republican Party and a former candidate for the US Senate
seat in California, and more recently now he is the

(01:04:50):
founder and chairman of Californians for Election Fairness. He's also
the author of The Divided Era, How We Got Here
and the Keys to America's Reconciliation. And his latest book
is also an excellent book worth reading, and that is
the Lessons of the American Civilization. And he has a
great podcast called Politics in Perspective. It's going to say,

(01:05:14):
you know, Tom, if someone else, like say Kamala Harris,
we're going to start a podcast. I'd recommend she call
hers politics in no perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
There you go, did you like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Did you?

Speaker 17 (01:05:25):
I know you rushed down and got her book that
her tell All, which is really going to wind up being.

Speaker 18 (01:05:31):
Her end All.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Yeah, that's for sure, that is for sure. But I
thought maybe we should talk about what you're doing with
Californians for fair elections, because Gavin Newsom, of course, would
like to make them less fair. And maybe I should
just point out that I think roughly forty percent of
California is Republican, yet they have only seventeen percent.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Of the House seats.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
So it seemed to me they've already fairly, if you will,
you know, done a fairly job of geramandering, meaning that
they've reduced by more than half what you'd expect them
to have if the seats were created without political consequences,
but just based on making sure you had equal representation.
So I wanted to ask you what's going on because

(01:06:15):
apparently getting that kind of germandering done isn't good enough
for Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
It needs to be more.

Speaker 17 (01:06:22):
Gavin the great protector of our democracy, Yet so over
a decade ago Californians passed a constitutional amendment placing the
drawing of lines in the hands of a quote independent commission.
Now in California, independent means lean Democrat on these type
of things, but nevertheless they draw the lines.

Speaker 18 (01:06:44):
And that's where we are.

Speaker 17 (01:06:45):
So Gavin Newson, who's running for president, and you and
I both know he's going to declare for president in
December of twenty twenty six, right after.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
The mid terms.

Speaker 17 (01:06:55):
He is running for president, and therefore to get to
the top of the he has to prove to Democrats
that he's a fighter.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
And you got to give him credit, George.

Speaker 17 (01:07:06):
He has placed himself as the foil for Republican He's
out in front all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
He's the guy you.

Speaker 17 (01:07:14):
Hear from, and he's actually at the top of several
polls among Democrats as to who should be the nominee.
So this is his effort to fight for Democrats. And
what he's doing is the most blatant political thing I've
ever seen when it comes to quote constitutional amendments. It's
a temporary amendment. It only lasts for three elections if

(01:07:39):
you trust Newsom. Hello, and what it does is create
these maps that are really tortured and very Jerry manderd
to pick up five more Democrats seats. And so what
I've done with others is create what is Californians for

(01:08:00):
Election Fairness, which is opposing Prop fifty but will also
help push the voter idea initiative in California.

Speaker 18 (01:08:10):
So your listeners, and I know you have many.

Speaker 17 (01:08:13):
In California, can just go to Election Fairness dot com.

Speaker 18 (01:08:18):
And sign up with us and help us in.

Speaker 17 (01:08:20):
This push to defeat this. Now this look, the ballots
drop in two weeks, you have voting, You can start voting,
and election day is November seventh, and there's a lot
of Californians who don't realize that it's happening on November seventh,
and so we're out there.

Speaker 18 (01:08:38):
Our push starts, our big push starts.

Speaker 17 (01:08:40):
On Monday, so today, So I'm glad you had me
on to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Yeah, it's kind of amazing to me because I'm not
a big fan of gerremandering. But I understand that our
founders probably were smartough to recognize that since they gave
state legislatures the power to do it, that there would
be some political impact on it. The goal was, of course,
to create a system that was reflected the population's will,
not trying to dilute it, and so jerremandering. If you

(01:09:09):
have a system that's reasonably fair, it may not be
that it's perfectly reflective down to the last percentage of
what the voters are at, but when it starts getting
off by a factor of one hundred percent or more,
then you know someone's cheating. And Gavin Newsom wants it
to be at two or three hundred percent. And there's
so many states like that, Like he acts like somehow
Texas is a big problem. I think myself, there's over

(01:09:31):
nine states that have zero Republican members of Congress, but
yet they still have somewhere between thirty five and forty
five percent Republicans in their state. So they basically are
making sure that somewhere between the third and forty five
percent of the voters are not represented in Congress. And
so he acts like somehow he's doing something fair to

(01:09:54):
prevent what you know, Texas may be doing. But I
just kind of scratched my head and say, very interesting.

Speaker 17 (01:10:02):
Yeah, the truth doesn't really invade the Democrat nominee process
these days. They get to say just about anything they want,
you know, on this issue of jerry mannering, which has
been around for two hundred years. Right, there's about nineteen
reliable Bloo states, twenty six or more reliable Red states.

(01:10:25):
The Democrat states are largely jerry mannered about as far
as you can go, and they're not going to gain
much more if they continue this process. The Red states
have a good deal farther to go, and the Democrats
know this. But Gavin Newsom's about the moment who cares
that California is in terrible condition and his policies are

(01:10:48):
an abject failure. Number one in poverty, worst unemployment, last
in affordability, last in orbit opportunity, terrible crimes, that's low
on education, you know, rather than that it's doing pretty good. George,
I don't know why you're a critic, but this is

(01:11:09):
their effort, and we at Election Fairness dot Com are
going to make our effort to get voters out to
defeat Prop fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, because after all,
you're for election fairness shouldn't be controversial, but.

Speaker 17 (01:11:23):
Yes, and we're not. Like, Look, I get it right,
you and I both get jerrymanderin, but it goes to
part you know, this isn't actually going to help Californians
because if you elected more Liberals to Washington, would that
help with crime in California people who are lean towards

(01:11:45):
defund Yeah, result in more employment?

Speaker 18 (01:11:49):
No, George.

Speaker 17 (01:11:50):
Would actually happen is it would rush more people out
of the state to look for jobs elsewhere, and unemployment
would grow. So this is it's just sort of common sense.
But when it comes to Gavenuwso that's in short suppliesn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:12:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, very yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
I mean, I he cracks me up because I think
to myself, I know, he thinks he's a really awesome
candidate and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
But I'm just thinking to myself.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
I mean, I used to live in California, and I'm
thinking to myself, people are moving out of California. My
oldest daughter was born in California, and I'm thinking myself,
why are people moving out of California? When I was there,
the weather was amazing and wonderful, beautiful?

Speaker 17 (01:12:30):
Is this in the eighteen hundreds?

Speaker 11 (01:12:31):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
One was that wasn't eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
It was in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties.

Speaker 18 (01:12:38):
It was a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Yeah, And I was there for about two or three years.
The bottom line is it was a wonderful place to live.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
And then you know, I don't recall that crime was a.

Speaker 9 (01:12:50):
Big, huge problem. I don't recall that unemployment.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
I mean it was, you know, it was a state
that was kind of like, you know, a hallmark of
success and things like that. And now all of a
sudden it's slidden into point where Gavin Newsom has basically
been pile driving it constantly. And I think myself, who
would want to elect him to do to America what

(01:13:12):
he did to California and make it so that because
it used to be everyone's moving to California and that
every year they were growing and growing and growing, and
now people are leaving. And it's just amazing to me
that people look and say.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Oh, yeah, he'd be a good candidate.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
I'm thinking myself, he might be worse than Kamala Harris
because she probably had less demonstrable evidence of destruction than
he does.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
I'm not saying I.

Speaker 17 (01:13:38):
Was wondering how you were putting in the plus column
for George Lander is overwhelming endorsement of Kamala Harris. She
has less demonstrable harm that's quite this the category.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
Well, yeah, because she wasn't governor of an awesome state,
and while the press while she was vice president the
country was very much damaged.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
I'm not sure I can blame her entirely for that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
I would say a lot of that has to be
laid at Joe Biden's feet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
So I'm not trying to endorse her.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
I'm just saying she didn't do well in a presidential
election because people were like not interested in that, And
I think myself the problem is is that he has
a very clear track record of destruction because he took
a state that was the leading economic and there's so
many other characteristics as a state, and he basically is

(01:14:30):
just destroying it. And it's really sad because I'm not
happy to see that happen. It's like, wait a minute,
why would we do that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
You know?

Speaker 17 (01:14:39):
Yeah, in the name of social justice? Yeah, and over
my shoulder. My book That Divided Era talks about the
divided media. And so if you talk to those in
California on the left, and there's a lot of them,
they don't hear these things. They don't know that they're
number one in poverty. They listen to them miss NBC,
they're going to tell you the truth. No, So Pop

(01:15:02):
fifty's bad for California and Newsom would be horrible for
the country. My podcast Politics in Perspective, I had Carlo Marinucci,
a longtime reporter in California, covered Newsom since he was
a traffic commissioner. Believe it or not, he started out
as a traffic commissioner. And she thinks that he's unelectable

(01:15:27):
on the national stage. You know, she's she's a Democrat,
retired from journalism, but she thinks he's unelectable for the
reasons you described, bad track record and too far left.

Speaker 18 (01:15:42):
So we'll have to say.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
I agree with you there, and I hope that Californians
are prepared to go to the polls and support the concept
of election fairness. I think you're very, very wise to
start a group to promote that, because it's not as
if this is I mean, I think most Americans want
election fairness. I'm not suggesting that's not what they want.
I'm just saying they don't necessarily know exactly what's going on,

(01:16:09):
and if they're watching MSNBC, then they may think that
Gavin Newsom is promoting election fairness. And yet of course
he's not. So I think what you're doing is very
important because I think truth helps people make good decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Falsehood does not help them make good decisions. Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:16:29):
Absolutely not like Kamala's book.

Speaker 17 (01:16:31):
I had a piece at in Fox this week about
Kamala's five five major career errors, and one of them
is putting out a book a tell all, instead of
here's the path going forward, right, here's my vision for America,
here's my policies that are better than Trump's, or whatever

(01:16:54):
she wanted to say. Instead she just did this looking
back thing and sniping at fellow Democrats. So I think
she's reached the end of her career Politically. I don't
think people are going to trust her as a nominee,
and I think the race will be wide open, which

(01:17:16):
is why Newsom has one of the reason why Newsom
is quite possibly could be their nominee. But I think
he's a hard sell in Like, take what's going on
in New Jersey right now, where you saw the poll
where the Republican and the Democrat are now tied because
people it's this common sense issue going on in the country,

(01:17:38):
and you have.

Speaker 18 (01:17:39):
The Charlie Kirk effect. You have the Trump effect, a
lot of things going on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Yeah, absolutely, that's a good place for us to take
a quick break, Tom. But I'm glad you can stick
around because I know there's lots more to discuss and
our viewers will be very happy to see you on
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Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. We're glad you're here,
and as you know, we always have the best guests,
and Tom del Bacaro is here proving that yet again
that we have the very best guest on TV and radio.
And we've been talking to him. He has a very
impressive resume, but maybe the most recent part of his
resume is what we've been talking about, which is Californians

(01:21:21):
for Election Fairness, a group that he's founded in chairs,
trying to make sure that Gavin Newsom doesn't wreck election
fairness in California. Like he has the economics, the crime, education,
and everything else that he's touched, he kind of has
what I would call the reverse King Midas effect. King
Midas everything he touched turned to gold. Gavin Newsom, everything

(01:21:42):
he touches seems to turn to garbage at any rate.
So I wanted to you know, one thing I was
going to ask you because in the last segment you
mentioned the Charlie Kirk effect, and I was going to
ask you one. Obviously, that was a tragic assassination, was
a really amazing memorial service, and I also thought, you know,

(01:22:03):
get your thoughts on those two things, and then perhaps
how long do you think that Charlie Kirk effect is?
Is it a weekend or does it actually motivate people
for an extended period of time and perhaps change people's
minds so that they become more engaged Americans when it
comes to things like freedom and opportunity and a belief

(01:22:25):
that God actually is a fan and the creator of freedom.

Speaker 18 (01:22:32):
Yeah, there's a lot to talk about there.

Speaker 17 (01:22:34):
First of all, my immediate reaction was I'm like, oh,
this is just a young man. How could this happen
to a young man? And it's quite a statements to
where the Democrat Party is. I wrote a piece in
sub Stack. You can get my account there or at
tom dale dot com about how the Democrats have become
the party of protest. They don't actually, they're not good

(01:22:57):
at policymaking or.

Speaker 18 (01:22:59):
Being in office.

Speaker 17 (01:23:00):
We talked about Newsome, you talked, we can talk about
Biden's policies and their actual effects. Instead, they protest everything
at this stage, everything Trump does. They don't really have something. Therefore,
they're just against all the time, and those parties don't
do well. In the sixties, the Democrats were protesters and

(01:23:21):
the result of that was Republicans dominated the White House.
You could be seeing that same phenomenon again here because
they're protesting and it's getting more beyond protesting now it's
extreme violence.

Speaker 18 (01:23:39):
And this, oh both sides does it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
It doesn't.

Speaker 17 (01:23:42):
Americans aren't so ignorant that they actually believe that. So
that's about the Democrats, the Charlie Kirk effect. You and
I are old enough to remember when there was a
phrase about Nixon's silent majority and what Nixon contended is
there could be all the protesters out there and the media,

(01:24:03):
but Americans at their heart were more traditional majority, so
his silent majority. And what I've been saying is that
the Charlie Kirk effect is the silent morality that in
fact Americans have. The majority of Americans still have that

(01:24:24):
goodness in their heart. And that's what we find today
out there. This silent morality has now been motivated to realize.
And when you combine to realize their aspirations and their
traditional values, and then you match that with the breaking

(01:24:46):
of worcism and Trump making conservatism acceptable again, you marry
these things together and I think you get a rush
of enthusiasm that you and I probably couldn't have predict.
Did you know eight nine years ago? You know, you
and I have been talking to them how many years,

(01:25:07):
but we were kind of discouraged there for a while,
right you were feeling this cultural turn that was so bad.
So the answer as to how long this could be
it could be very significant. When you consider how the
Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot. I'm not sure
that's the right analogies given their violence, but.

Speaker 18 (01:25:30):
It is a reality.

Speaker 17 (01:25:32):
And then you have this push or this revival in enthusiasm,
and then of course these values again the silent morality,
which isn't becoming so silent anymore. And so I think
this is in for a six an extended run. Politics

(01:25:52):
is about what they offer and what we offer, or
the two sides, and right now that it's not comparable.
There is protests, opposition and violence and excuses for allowing
crimes to go on. And there is this hope. I mean,

(01:26:15):
you know, I mean to get too religious here, but
the message of Jesus Christ is all about hope in
the future, I mean. And it was also he was
very revolutionary first time, right He the metaphor of kicking

(01:26:35):
over the money changer's table applies to many revolutionaries in history, right,
and Trump is kicking over the table to a degree.
But at its core, Christ's vision is that there is

(01:26:55):
a better place than just this that follow me, and
there is the ultimate and hope.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Right And.

Speaker 17 (01:27:06):
So what does the left present right now? And what
does the Charlie Kirk effect present and also Georgia also,
But another super important aspect of what comes out of
this entire thing is realizing that the American experiment with

(01:27:32):
freedom ennobles the person, and so when Trump trumpets the
individual versus the state, it is far more noble. Right,
Why do people come to the United States? Why do
so many of Latinos come here and start businesses because
they want that opportunity, which is ennobling con to have

(01:27:57):
a say in your own future.

Speaker 10 (01:28:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:28:00):
All these things coming together are creating a river that
is rushing in one direction, and right now it's away
from the Democrats.

Speaker 10 (01:28:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
No, you make a very good point, because if America
were such a worthless country, in a racist, hateful country,
the way many Democrats claim that it is, then we
probably should not allow people of color to come here,
because why would you want to let them come to
a place that's going to hate them and mistreat them.
And of course the answer is that's just a lie.
You know, people come to America and they what do

(01:28:32):
they get? Freedom and opportunity, And that's something that's very
valuable and very rare in the world today, increasingly rare, sadly.
But anyhow, I thought I might ask you just real
quickly because we're talking about some of the craziness of
the left. And another example that was the Senator from Virginia,
Tim Kaine argued that God given rights are offensive and

(01:28:54):
dangerous and that they remind him of the Iranian regime.
That is a fac see, I think to myself, Okay,
So saying that God gives you rights that we cannot
take away, but we have an obligation to protect, that's
the same as saying God gave me the power to
rule over you, to oppress you, and to kill you.

(01:29:17):
Because that's what the Iranian leaders say. Now I don't
believe that's true. Of course, I'm not gonna God would
not obviously do that. They don't work for God, they
work for Satan. But that's what they say. And Tim
Kaine is stupid enough to confuse the two and act like, yeah,
that's the same thing. And I think myself, a sixth
grader could tell the difference between those. So Tim Kaine,

(01:29:38):
a US Senator and a former Virginia governor, is less
intelligent than a sixth grader. So I just want to
get your comments on.

Speaker 18 (01:29:45):
That, Okay. So, first of all, objection leading.

Speaker 17 (01:29:51):
I have a hard time deciding is he that uneducated
or that's cynical because I get the uneducated because not
teaching our kids our history and our inalienable rights and
who endowed them? Right, I mean it's not like it's
an unimportant It's not like it's you know, the Federal's

(01:30:13):
papers nineteen where you might not know it halfway down
you know whatever. No, it's right there, right. But I
think it's ultimately cynical. First of all, is what did
you say? Idiotic or stupid? He says that government gives
us rights. Well, government is is an inanimate object.

Speaker 9 (01:30:34):
Well would tell you, yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:30:37):
But no, people do create government, and government has done.
Then there are laws, So government itself doesn't spontaneously do something.
So then so the real question is does it come
from man, our rights or does it, as our founders believe,

(01:30:58):
come from God. Well, if it comes from man, then
it's simply an expression of power. Mankind womenkind do things
as they relate to others, and there's this power structure
involved with it. So is that where freedom comes from.
That's not really logical. That just means you are a

(01:31:22):
subject to someone else's power. The whole point of the
American experiment was to turn all of Western history and beyond,
and I talk about this in my book The Lessons
of the American Civilization. Right, the Kings had divine rights.
We had nothing. The American experiment said, oh no, each

(01:31:44):
person is endowed with rights and freedoms from God, not
just one lineage, which didn't really make sense anyway, one lineage,
because when the different lineage came along, they cleaned the
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(01:32:05):
made of freedom is that it is granted to us all,
and the only capable person of doing that is person,
in the metaphorical sense, is a God. You can't get
it from one or a set of people. So Tim
Kaine is either incredibly cynical, completely uneducated, or stupid or.

Speaker 18 (01:32:30):
D or C no D all of the above.

Speaker 9 (01:32:35):
Yeah, that's a fair point.

Speaker 4 (01:32:37):
Well, in our last couple of minutes, I wanted to
ask you to tell folks how they can, for example,
support Californians for Election Fairness, how they can get your
book A Divided Era or your book The Lessons of
the American Civilization, or how they can watch your podcast

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in perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
So it take some time to give us all that information.

Speaker 17 (01:33:01):
Well, the best thing they can do to help Stopgavenusom's
ambitions beg and small is go to Election Fairness dot Com.
That's election Fairness dot com and sign up there and
help us out. Otherwise, you can go to Tom Dell
tmd L dot com and get my books and all
my writings there. I appreciate as always you having me on,

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and I know you're going to work really hard to
make sure Virginia doesn't fall backwards and moves forward.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
Yeah, how about Politics and Perspective if we want to
watch that, because if we spend time with Tom del
Bacaro or IQ goes up.

Speaker 18 (01:33:39):
So you're so kind.

Speaker 17 (01:33:42):
All the shows are listed at Political Vanguard dot com
catch them on YouTube, Rumble ex America News as well.

Speaker 18 (01:33:51):
But I appreciate it so much you having me on.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Absolutely always the privilege to have you Tom. I consider
you both a friend and quite frankly a friend of freedom,
a friend of America and a friend of the vision
of our founders. So it's always great to have you on.

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Thanks so much.

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garbage state of New Dirty. Each of these states are
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(01:40:16):
races for well, I see these races as having huge,
huge national implications. You're down there in Virginia, at George,
There's been a lot of news about Virginia lately. Not
only are you electing a governor, you're electing a secretary
of state. One of the candidates, George is a real wacko.

(01:40:36):
He was texing back and forth to a colleague saying,
two bullets, all right, two bullets Hitler, Pope Potten. He
mentioned a Republican member of the legislature, and he has
two bullets to the head of and he names this
Republican legislator.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
And then the woman.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
That's running for governor, Abigail spam was given the question,
added debate, added debate, will you calling him to resign?
She refused to comment on that. If she calling him
to resign, she refused to even say he did a

(01:41:15):
bad thing. And then what do you get your take
on this, George.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Well, it's showing up in the polling data because the
race has become very, very tight, and it's you know,
it was at one point supposedly Abigail Spenberger was perceived
by many as the next governor of Virginia. She's a
left wing kook. She's illustrating that over and over again.
And an example one is the like you said, the
guy that was talking, he's running for attorney general, so

(01:41:42):
he wants me the chief law enforcement official in Virginia
and he wants to and he fantasizes about killing members
of the opposing party. And then he didn't stop there.
He talked about killing the man's wife and his young
children as well. And I'm thinking to myself, that makes
the guy thoroughly evil. Anybody who votes for Jay Jones

(01:42:04):
for attorney General, then you're either an idiot or you're
evil because either you don't understand what he did, therefore
you're not paying attention, or you understand and you don't
care and it's like, okay, So that makes you evil
to them. And so bottom line is, you know, there's that.
But on top of that, there was a male who
claims he's a woman, but he's.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
A sexual predator.

Speaker 9 (01:42:25):
He has a long track record of being a sexual predator.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
He went into a high school girls locker room exposed
himself to them. And Abigail Spenberger won't say that's not okay.
And her track record is very clear what she's done.
She's voted against things like the Lake and Riley Act.
She voted against that. In other words, if you're an
illegal alien and you rape or kill somebody, we're going

(01:42:50):
to deport you. She voted against that. No, they get
to stay. Thanks, Abigail, tell me you're a kook.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
She wins. She did.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
And then on top of that, she voted there was
a bill that was put in Congress to deport violent
illegal aliens who attacked and tried to kill police officers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Guess what, she voted no on that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
And so in Virginia, the local police are not supporting
her because also to j Jones, the Attorney General Canada
also had other texts where he talked about killing police officers.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
And now it's pretty clear.

Speaker 4 (01:43:24):
And so the Republican lieutenant governor who's win some seers,
who was always behind early on in the polling, it's
now just a dead heat. But what's very interesting is
the voting in Republican districts. Early voting is way off
the charts high, and so I think it's going to
be pretty difficult. And the other thing people have to
understand that Spanburger also urged her supporters to channel their

(01:43:46):
rage into action. Doesn't that sound like she's calling for violence.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:43:53):
So bottom line is anybody's voting for Abigail Spanburger, just
like with Jay Jones, is proving either their stupid or
they're bad people, George.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
Four years ago there was a race for governor of Virginia,
and that at that time it was it was accredited
to mothers and fathers, you know, parents who come out
to support the Republican candidate because the Democrat at the
candidate at the time was saying, oh, no problem with

(01:44:25):
men going into women's locker rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Oh, no problem with.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Boys going into girls locker rooms, pretending to be a
girl and raping a girl. No problem with arresting the
father of that girl. When his righteous indignation or his
righteous outrage, I should say, his outrage caused him to
go into a school board meeting and blast blast the

(01:44:52):
school board it. See, it's very funny to me, George,
that it's taken these comments from Jay Jones and Spamberger
to rewake the people of Virginia after what happened four
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
The lesson's learned four years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
Yeah, it's getting to the point where the Democratic Party
today is not the Democratic Party of your fathers. An
example would be, we've talked to this before, but you know,
John F. Kennedy didn't hate the Constitution, he didn't hate America.
He believed in peace through strength. He believed in reducing
taxes to grow the economy. And I'm not saying that
you or I would agree with him on every issue,

(01:45:31):
but the reality was he wasn't a left wing kook,
but he seemed to be very focused on things like
our constitution, our founding fathers.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:43):
It was just he wasn't ever arguing we need to
take let's let's stop naming high schools after George Washington,
Thomas Jefferson, let's tear down their you know, let's tear
down their statues and stuff like that, whereas that's now
the norm for the Democratic Party. So Americans have to
wake up and stop voting based on, you know, what
they did twenty thirty years ago, or based on what

(01:46:03):
their family did twenty thirty years ago. They got to
wake up because I'll tell you why they call Republicans fascists.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
It's because they are.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
And it's also the other reason they do it is
because they're trying to promote violence against them.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
But the bottom line is the left.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
One of the things that they were taught to do
was accuse your opponents of doing and being what you are,
so as to create confusion. Left they misname everything. The
Affordable Care Act had nothing to do with affordable care.
It was the opposite of that. The Inflation Reduction Act
had nothing to do with reducing inflation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
It was the opposite of that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
This is how they play the game, and so they
call Republicans fascists. Has nothing to do with that, it's
the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
They're the fascists. That's who the left is today.

Speaker 4 (01:46:50):
So people have to wake up and recognize it was
Ronald Reagany said, I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
The Democratic Party left me.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
I think every American who at least it considers themselves
in America and loves America could say the same thing,
say I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
It left me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
You see that every year politicians who change parties and
go enough this is crazy. About a quarter of Donald
Trump's cabinet are former Democrats who left the party and
said enough of this. It's too crazy. I can't do
this anymore. So I think it's time for the rest
of America wake up.

Speaker 2 (01:47:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:25):
Well, you're speaking about waking up, speaking about cutting decks
and peace, true strength, and limited government. Tell us more
about frontiers of freedom.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
Well, sure, friendiers of freedom as you can see over
my shoulder ear. Our website is ff dot org and
we were founded by Malcolm Wallap and we give out
a Ronald Reagan Award. And our goal is to promote
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I think as if you're an American loves freedom, then
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Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
But yeah, I think we should send a coup a
dozen copies to old Joe Biden. Don't know if he
could read any book, but maybe somebody reads some books
at night.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
Hey, we want to thank your guests Ronald Kessler and
Tom delbar Carol, But for right now, we are out
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