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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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(00:30):
of the A un TV Network and joining me today
as my co host as he does to the lead
off the week, is the president and CEO of Frontiers
of Freedom, and that is George Landrath. And George, welcome back,
Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It's great to be here. This is the place to
be Conservative Commandos and the A and TV Network.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Indeed it is.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Indeed it is so George, what's got your interest today?

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Well, there's several things.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
But I think one of the things I thought was
interesting is I saw a poll. Because some people act
like the Fed's doing a great job, and some people
act like maybe not. But there's a poll that over
seventy percent of the American public say that interest rates
are too high, and the FED has not done a
good job there. And I think that's kind of interesting
because one of the things that I found was when

(01:21):
they broke it down by party, there wasn't a great
deal of difference. The reality is Democrats and Republicans saw
it as very similar in terms of doing a good
job or a poor job.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
There's a lot of issues.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What you get is once the left or the right
see it radically differently. But what's interesting here is it
was whether you're a Democrat or a Republican or an independent,
the vast majority do not think that the Fed's doing
a good job, and the vast majority do think they're
doing a bad job. And then there's some small measure
of society that aren't sure, and that just means maybe

(01:55):
they're not paying close attention, because I think it's kind
of obvious what's going on here. As an example would be,
they cut interest rates dramatically during the pandemic, which helped
fuel inflation along with all the grotesque government spending that
was increased then, but then they raised interest rates, but
then they lowered them in September of twenty twenty four,
why to help Kamala Harris, and they were playing politics,

(02:20):
and since then they've refused to lower the interest rates
in any significant way, even that the economy is doing better,
even though government spending has been reduced, maybe not as
much as some people would like, but it has been reduced,
and so it's a step in the right direction. And
so the fact that the FED refuses to lower interest
rates at this point is just proof that they're again

(02:41):
playing politics. And so I just think it's an interesting
issue because the idea of having the FED be independent
was that that would make them independent of politics and
all its truly that is, let them play politics, and
so it'd be nice if we could. Rand Paul, for example,
is put in a bill on news occasions arguing that

(03:01):
we should audit the FED. And that's the first step,
because I think once the audit is done, will realize
that they are not doing the good job that they
claim they are, and that the vast majority of Americans
who think they're not doing a good job will now
have proof they're not doing a good job. And then
we can perhaps ask ourselves, why shouldn't the market be
more involved in determining what interest rates are, because that's

(03:24):
how we determine everything else, and very important things like
food food's pretty important, you know, all supply to it.
And guess what the market determines what the cost of
food is?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right lost supply it, man, George, Several things I like
to unpack with you here. Number One, there's spent a
lot of controversy about the FED going back for quite
some time, and there's been a lot of calls for
all of it to fed. I've got several questions. Maybe
you want to wait for me to get them all
out and you can.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Answer them hopefully.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Number one, you said that a lot of people don't
pay a lot of attention to things, and I think
I'm somebody who does. But to be honest with you,
totally honest with you, I'm not sure what the hell
the FED does.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
I don't. I'm not sure what the FED is supposed
to do.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'm not sure who makes up the FED or anything
about it.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
And maybe you can help me out.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I know that there is and again, correct me if
I'm wrong. There's like a board of governors FED, and
unfortunately these are appointees of who's ever in the White
House or George, give me give me a little premer
on the FED. Uh, we'll call it the education of

(04:37):
Rick trader fed one oh one, Uh, what's a FED
supposed to do? And then if you audit it, who's
going to audit it?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
What are they going to audit it for?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
And give me a premer give me a little.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Education on the FED if you will.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Sure you know, First of all, the FED was established
relatively early in the twentieth century, meaning the early nineteen hundreds,
and they were responsible for monetary policy.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
An example would be things like interest rates.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Now, they don't regulate all interest rates, but what they
do is they set the interest rates for banks, meaning
that if a bank wants to borrow money from the FED,
which banks generally have to do if they want to
fund major economic activity and so forth, the FED can
set minimum rates, which then jacks up the rates because

(05:30):
while they're not telling the banks they have to do x,
y or z, the reality is it effectively sets the
lowest point that rates can be. And so they also
manage money supply by expanding or tightening credit. So, for example,
by money supply, what I mean by that is when
they basically allow there to be a lot more credit

(05:52):
out there, then of course that expands the money and.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
That's okay to do.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
If we have a growing economy, growing efficiency. An example
that would be this, if you have one hundred people
in a society and they each have one hundred dollars,
then the prices will be.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Relatively low, of course.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
But then let's assume you triple the amount of money
everyone has the government starts handing out money to them,
Prices will go up roughly triple because you'll have too
many dollars chasing too few goods or too few services.
But when the economy's growing and there's more out there
and there's more things to purchase or services to purchase,

(06:31):
then you don't have too much money chasing after too
few things. And so that's why you can have price
stability with a growing economy. But anyhow, that's what they're
supposed to do, and so they regulate commercial banks and
financial institutions to make sure they're safe and sound and
things like that. But I think basically an example would

(06:52):
be they're spending billions of dollars to do a major
renovation of their primary office building in DC, and that
is a ridiculous thing because they're basically making sure, for example,
that on the roof they have a nice place to
hang out and eat lunch. In the old days, the
roof just stopped the rain from coming in. But now

(07:13):
it's like a part reserved for the FED and they're
spending billions of dollars to do that. And it's just like,
so these guys are in charge of banking, they shouldn't
be in charge of anything. I'm not sure they could
successfully run a child's.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Sure, you're not selling me anything tangible. It seems like
all the this is just another layer of an overburdensome government.
You know, as you were talking about law supplying demand,
I love the law supplying demand for instance. But you know,
when you talk about auditing the Fed, and Ran Paul

(07:48):
and Ron Paul has been talking about auditing the FED
at nauseum. It's not like they have a bank account
per se. But they all they do is set official policies.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Well they also.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Auditing them.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well you look at how they spend money and who
they're lending it to and at what rates they are,
and what the points are because.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
They well, do they have money to loan?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yes, because that's that's the point. Is they effectively For example,
for years during the Obama administration, they were essentially printing
money and that would help the economy look better than
it was, but of course it fueled inflation, and then
of course inflation got even worse during the pandemic. But
they created a strong foundation for that. And what we

(08:36):
need them to do is stop playing politics, because it's
very clear right now they are trying to make the
economy look weak by clamping down on money. And yet,
for example, in the fall before the election in September
last year, they lowered rates because their goal was to

(08:57):
help Kamala Harris. There's nothing financially going on the suggest
they should do that now.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
From what help me out here? Their board of governors
is that who controls a FED. And from what I understand,
that board of governors right now is three Democrats to
one to two Republicans. I mean, tell me about their
board of governors? What makes it up? And again, whom
appoints these governors? Is it the party in office? Is

(09:26):
it the president?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Well, yeah, it's the president. And then they're confirmed by
the Senate and they usually serve a fourteen year term
entered so that no single president can appoint the entire
board quickly. And then the chairman and the vice chairman
serve four year terms in those leadership roles, but they
still can serve, you know, on their fourteen year appointment.

(09:49):
And then of course generally the idea was is that
the president shouldn't be able to fire them because the
concept was, you know, we wanted to be independent from politics,
and it's like, but but it's not independent politics. They
just play politics. But he can of course remove them
for cause. The statutes make it clear that for cause,
and that's why recently a misconduct and neglect of duty

(10:12):
or legal or ethical violations can be the reason for removal.
And this is an example where the president recently got
rid of somebody who was engaging in bank fraud, and
it's that makes sense. I don't think you want people
engaging in bank fraud regulating banks. But in general, the
idea was to create a certain level, and I'm not
sure I agree with the independence level, because on some level,

(10:36):
like the Supreme Court is a third body of government,
and so once they're appointed, the president can't fire a justice.
Congress can get rid of them of course if they
impeach them soon as they can be removed for cause.
But my point there is the FED should not be
entirely independent because I understand why they thought of it,

(10:59):
at least initially, because they thought, well, this would best
if it's not political. But guess what, it is political.
And so now the fact there's no accountability is a
really big problem, and so we need to get accountability
back to the game.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
George, I gotta ask you one one final question about
the FED. Where's the FED and our constitution?

Speaker 2 (11:22):
If you look for the FED, you will not find
it anywhere in the constitution. If you look for, like
the word democracy, you won't find that either, because we're
a constitutional republic and the FED was not. There was
a big debate early on in our country about having
a national bank, which might have been a version of
the FED, and it was perceived as being unconstitutional by

(11:45):
many presidents, and so therefore it's gotten rid of and
then all of a sudden, now we effectively brought it back.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
And it's been a real disaster, all right with that.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Tour, So let's sake our first break at this show,
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Speaker 1 (15:08):
Welcome back to your Conservative Commandos with George Hillanders and
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tell us about our.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Guests absolutely well. You know, we always have the very
best guests, and today is going to be no different.
We will once again have very high quality, very interesting guests,
and we're going to have George Perry, who is a
contributor to the American Spectator, of the Federalist and the
Philadelphia Inquirer. He's also a former federal and state prosecutor,

(15:44):
and he was a legal analyst for a station, a
TV station in Philadelphia. And we're going to talk with
him about what's going on with these unelected liberal judges
who seem to think that they can make themselves the
president because of their judicial robes. And it's kind of
interesting because it's if they think they can do that,

(16:05):
it means they haven't read the Constitution or understand the Constitution,
because it of course places the executive power very clearly
in the president, not in the courts, and not anywhere else.
So I think it'll be a very interesting conversation with
him to look at what's going on with these crazy
left wing coop judges. And then we've also got Roger Arnoff,
who is the executive director and editor of the Citizens

(16:29):
Commission on National Security. And Roger founded the Citizens Commission
on Benghazi and as you may recall back in twenty twelve,
in the September of twenty twelve, the Bengazi attack ended
up with the result of a number of American diplomats
and American security people, military types and so forth being killed.

(16:53):
And that's when Barack Obama tried to help hide it,
tried to hot lie about it and make sure that
everyone thought that it was just the result of some
crazy left wing video that people saw and so forth.
And turns out that that was always a lie. I
knew it was a lie at the time. While as
also say, I should point out he directed six documentaries

(17:16):
and produced a weekly series on PBS called think Tank
with Ben Wattenberg. But we want to discuss with him
how democrats have become so extreme and how they've become
a problem in America today. And I think you could
argue that it's very different now than it used to be.
An example, be go back into the sixties. I think
I could come up with reasons why I would have

(17:39):
not voted for John Kennedy. But the reality was John
Kennedy didn't think that boys were girls and girls were boys.
He didn't think the Constitution was stupid. He didn't think
our founding fathers were evil. He thought that freedom of
religion and freedom of press were very important. He admired
our founding fathers. And so we may have had some

(17:59):
disagreements on some policies, but the foundational elements of our
society were not disagreed upon. And now basically we live
in a crazy world where there is no agreement about
almost anything, and it's just it's sad.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
So I think it'll be very interesting to have a
conversation on the topic.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Couple the great guest George Perry and Rocher Parnoff Soon George,
what else is on your radar screen?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well, this isn't my radar screen because Senator Tim Kaine,
who's the senator from Virginia and he used to be
the vice presidential candidate with Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen,
he rejects the idea that God given rights are part
of our founding principles. He compared the idea of God
given rights to the concept of Iran's theocracy. And Senator

(18:47):
Kane's recent comments comparing the declaration of independence assertion of
God given rights to the ideology of Iran's theocratic regime
are not just historically illiterate, their dangerous list misleading, and
on top of that, it demonstrates that he's either mind
bogglingly stupid, I mean a very low IQ or he's

(19:09):
just basically an anti American, anti constitutionalist, anti American founding idiot,
because the decoration of independent proclaims that our rights aren't
endowed by our creator, meaning they exist prior to an
independent of the government, and that the government's role is
to protect those God given rights, but it's not the
giver of those rights. It's kind of like a policeman

(19:30):
if you think about it. The police are there to
protect your rights, but they don't give you those rights.
And I've never heard a policeman act like he's the
giver of rights, even if he is the protector of rights.
And so this foundational idea is what protects liberty from tyranny.
And in the Iranian regime, by contrast, claims of divine
authority are used to suppress the scent, persecute minorities, and

(19:55):
use brutal force to impose their religious rule. To equate
America's founding philosophy with a rounds totalitarian theocracy is to
basically confuse the source of rights with the abuse of power.
You don't have to be brilliant to understand this. You
could actually be relatively unintelligent human being and relatively uninformed

(20:17):
and still see why.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Tim Kaine's an idiot.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
His statement calling the belief of God given rights, saying
it's extremely troubling, betrays a profoundness understanding the very principles
that make America free. Thomas Jefferson James Madison, both Virginians,
understood that rights from government are rights that can be
revoked because if government gives you rights, they can take

(20:42):
them away. As Jefferson once said, the idea that rights
are given by God is to point out that they
cannot be taken by anyone else because they're His gifts.
And I think that's the idea. That's what they're called inalienable.
An inaliable means they can't be taken, they can't be sold,
they can't be removed. They are yours. And that's the

(21:02):
difference between liberty and oppression. So the fact that he
finds that troubling shows that he is not just out
of step with the American tradition, he actually does not
have a high IQ, and he doesn't have integrity or
to historical awareness or respect for truth. He plays politics

(21:23):
with everything. And so it's just amazing because the truth
here is that America is founded to protect rights from
government overreach. Not to grant government divine authority, whereas Iran's
leaders claim divine right to rule and America's founders claimed
divine right to resist tyranny. So those two things are

(21:44):
not parallel in any way, shape or form. They're exact opposites.
So anyhow, I just I find this whole thing very
frustrating because Tim Kaine is clearly a moron, He's clearly
an anti American, he's clearly an anti constitutionalist, anti Declaration
of Independence, and no American, and certainly no Virginian should

(22:08):
ever vote for this moron. Again, they should be very
much wanting to pull him out of the Senate and
send him packing because he is a worthless piece of
human refuse.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Well Jewish, thank god, thank god Hillary Clinton never got elected,
Thank god Tim Kaine never became the vice president. But
I think that Tim Kaine is another example of Democrats
that hate the Constitution, hate the Declaration of Independence. And
you can go right to the top with that one

(22:42):
Barack Obama, who when talking about the Constitution said it
was a very fault document and that we've heard many, many,
many examples of Democrats saying, well, the Constitution gets in
the way of this that or the other. So why
should Tim Kaine be any different than and then the
other Democrat? Why should we expect anything more from Tim

(23:04):
Kaine than what we do from any other Democrats. But
with people should realize realize who.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
The real enemy is.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
The real enemy is Democrats, Democrats like Tim Kaine, Democrats
like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton who think that the
Constitution gets in the way. What it gets in a
way of mostly is them having total control and power.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
It's a very very good point.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
It's sad that that's happened because it didn't used to
be like that. Like we talked about earlier, I don't
think that what Tim Kaine said would have been accepted
by John F.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
I think he would have been outraged and he would
have said that was crazy, because he's, for example, the
guy who, when he invited a bunch of Nobel laureates
to the White House for lunch, told them as they
sat down to eat that he was really great and
really grateful to have such intelligent people there, because never
in the history of the White House had there ever
been this sort of collective intelligence except for once, and

(24:10):
that was when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. That's clearly a
man who respected our founders and did not hate them.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Right, Well, how about that?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
And you know, it just triggered the thought that I had,
you know, about Kennedy. I wish Kennedy was alive today.
It'd be a very old man, but I wish he
was alive today to see where his party has gone,
as far as aosc, as far as Mandainy, as far
as the rest of the squad, as far as people like.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Tim Tim Kaine.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
The fact that we had a Tim Kane that was, oh,
just a few votes away from the White House and
then just a few heartbeats away from the presidency.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, Rich, that'd have been a tragic problem because to
be honest, how dumb you have to be that you
can't tell the difference between the statement God gave you
and the anil the rights or the statement in Iran,
which is God gave me the power to rule over you,
including killing you if I want to. It's like, oh, yeah,
those things are just alike. It's like, Okay, Tim Kaine,

(25:22):
you are a low IQ moron, and you've demonstrated a
hatred for America, our Declaration.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Of Independence and our Constitution. And our Founding fathers.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
So we're done with you, get the hell out of office, retire.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Well, like I was saying, George, I think Tim Kain
is nothing but in step in step with the rest
of the.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
You're right, he's not an outlier. He actually represents the
majority in his party, which is very dangerous because it
didn't he used to be like that. I mean, I
was never a fan of Jimmy Carter, but I don't
think Jimmy Carter hated our founders or thought the Constitution sucked,
or acted as if somehow the Founding Fathers were the

(26:03):
same as totalitarian dictators that killed.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know what I mean. So what happened because even
he was.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
A liberal and a little bit of a well not
just a little bit, but pretty unsuccessful president, but he
didn't hate America, And all of a sudden, now that's
the standard they do.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
They do well, Georts, let's get a break in why
we do have a couple of great guests.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
We'll be joining us.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Our good friends George Perry and Roger Arenaf will be
our guest today. And you are listening to and watching
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We'll be back with our interviews right after this break.

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(31:00):
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Speaker 12 (31:10):
Well, nice to be with you.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I wanted to ask you about what we've seen going
on of late with liberal judges deciding that maybe they
should be president of the United States, and so they
decide to tell the president how we should do it.
And I guess I want to just draw a quick conclusion.
It's obvious that if the president of the United States
were to do something that was clearly unconstitutional, meaning like

(31:32):
let's say a president said I want to make it
illegal for you to go to a particular church, or
I want to force you to go to a particular church,
I'd be like, well, that actually violates the First Amendment.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
But when he's just exercising executive authority, you might not
like the authority that he's exercising and think to yourself, Wow,
I wish you were doing that differently. But that doesn't
mean it's doing it unconstitutionally, because the Constitution does give
him executive authority and executive control. And if you don't
like how he's doing it, then guess what you have

(32:07):
the option of doing is not re electing him in
the future. But yet, what we now have is a
bunch of judges who seem to think that because they're
a judge, they can basically also.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Be the president.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And I'm thinking to myself, this is nuts. Can you imagine, say,
if we go back to World War Two, a federal
judge telling FDR and the General Eisenhower, I'm sorry, but
you can't do D Day too risky, Well, too many
people will die on the beach that day. It's not allowed.

(32:42):
I'm going to tell you, no, you can't do it.
It's like, really, so now you're the commander in chief
just because you wear a black robe, and so I
wanted to ask you to help us kind of swart
through all these issues, and you could certainly correct me
if I've been wrong on my description of things.

Speaker 12 (33:00):
Well, no, I mean, we have federal judges who obviously
believe that they know better than the president on what
the president should be doing. You have a couple of
issues here. One is separation of powers, that is, separation
of the executive from the judicial. And if you look
at the constitution, Article two of the Constitution does not

(33:24):
say that they're setting up an executive branch. It says
that all executive authority shall be placed in a president.
So the president is in effect the whole executive branch.
All of these agencies like USAID and the Department of

(33:45):
Education and all of that are all appendages to the
executive branch. But the person with all the authority over
the executive branch is the president. So that if the
president says that he wants to curtail spending by USAID,

(34:05):
he has the authority to do it, just as an example.
So here you have judges who have come along and
understand these cases. These nationwide injunctions, so called, are a
relatively recent phenomenon. If you go back into history during

(34:27):
the George W. Bush administration, there were six nationwide injunctions.
During the eight years of Barack Obama, there was something
like twelve nationwide injunctions. Under Biden, there were like six
nationwide injunctions. During the first Trump administration there were over

(34:48):
sixty nationwide injunctions. And here in the second Trump administration,
in the first sixty days, there have been fifteen nationwide
injunctions and a host of other litigation brought against the president.
And the theory behind these is that the courts, the

(35:13):
judiciary has the authority to restrain the president in the
exercise of his executive power. Well, the injunctions, if you
just look at the fifteen that have been lodge or
brought during the first sixty days of the second Trump administration,
they are all the result of litigation where activist groups

(35:38):
have sought out sympathetic judges and have obtained what are
known as temporary restraining orders against the Trump administration. For example,
there is one requiring that the Defense Department rescind or
hold in abeyance the regulation in place to require that

(36:04):
there not be transgender distinctions or persons in the military.
I mean you had talked about, you know, a judge
deciding whether or not the D Day Investigator invasion could
go forward. Well, here we have a federal judge who
thinks that she has the authority to make the military,

(36:26):
you know, not in force its non transgender organizational principle.
Pete Hegseth, the the Defense chief said in response, he
he called the judge commander I forget her last name.
Commander so and so can now come down to Fort

(36:47):
Benning and show us how to you know, how to
do high value target operations and then go over to
you know, Fort brad and show us something else. I mean,
this woman thinks that, you know, she's basically able to
control what goes on in the Defense Department. So there's

(37:10):
an overstepping of bounds. It's all the result of activist
judges who are sympathetic to the political point offs who
have brought these claims, and they're trying to in effect
prevent President Trump from delivering on his promises to the
American people. So you have an unelected judiciary answerable to

(37:34):
know on who are acting count to counter the actions
of the president who won a landslide election both in
the electoral College and in the popular vote. And so
you have a thwarting of the will of the American
people is expressed through their elected representatives and the president

(37:54):
who is elected, and the thwarting is being done by
unelected federal judge.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, and it's essentially them trying to get into politics,
and that's not their job. And that's the reason why
they have a lifetime appointment is because they have very
limited powers. They can adjudicate disputes. What they can't do
is play politics. If they want to play politics, they
should resign their seat on the bench and run for Congress.

(38:24):
And yet they seem to think that they can do this.
As an exampleul Be, if Congress would increase taxes on
all Americans, I would oppose that policy.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think it'd be bad policy.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But I wouldn't support a judge issuing a restraining order
simply because he disagrees with tax increases.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
And I think it reminds me one time.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
I think it was just as Scalia said that being
a conservative judge means you will sometimes write opinions that
you disagree with. And what he meant by that wasn't
that he'd he meant that, for example, if Congress would
increase taxes, he might not agree politically with the idea
of increasing taxes, but if someone challenged the constitutionality of
increasing tax he would be like, you know what, Congress

(39:03):
has the power to impost taxes and it's not the
place of the Court to second guess them on that one.
And so I'm going to write an opinion in which,
if I remember Congress, I would have voted differently than this.
But I'm looking at the constitution and they have the
right to do that, and the public can deal with them.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
Through future elections.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
In other words, basically, he would uphold the constitutionality something
he disagreed with because he's a conservative judge, not a
liberal judge.

Speaker 13 (39:29):
Who wants to use his power on the bench to
do politics.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Is that a fair assessment.

Speaker 12 (39:34):
Yeah, no, that's a fair assessment. I mean, we have
a judge who in the last couple of days, there
was an MS thirteen gang member who was picked up
by Ice and he's from El Salvador and he was
deported back to El Salvador and he had been adjudicated

(39:59):
is by the executive branch courts, that is the you know,
the the ICE courts that he was a member of
MS thirteen and should be deported. But because of a
purported threat against his life in L. Salvador. He shouldn't
be sent to L. Salvador. The administrative court said, well,

(40:22):
he can be deported, but he shouldn't be deported to L.
Salvador because there's a threat against his life. Well, there
is an administrative error made in this individual, who was
thoroughly deportable, was deported, but he was sent to L. Salvador.
And so there's you know, the usual group of activists
filed in action to have him returned to the United States,

(40:44):
and they found a federal judge who entered in order
requiring this guy to be returned to the United States
from L. Salvador by you some time tonight. Well, the
Supreme Court just ruled that you can forget the whole thing.
That's not going to happen. Number one, the government no
longer has jurisdiction over this individual. He's in prison in L. Salvador.

(41:06):
And number two, the courts don't have that kind of power.
And you know the interesting thing, George, is if you
look at so many of these so called nationwide injunctions,
they are all couched as temporary restraining orders. And the
reason they do that is because temporary restraining orders are
non appealable. They're very as the name would imply, they're temporary,

(41:30):
and they're entered in the very first instance only if
the judge believes that the party seeking the temporary restraining
order will win on the merits. So these activist judges
are entering temporary restraining orders and then letting the matter
sit there before the case progresses further, because it's a means,
supposedly of stopping the administration from going forward with its policies.

(41:54):
But there is nothing that they can do. They can't
really seek an appeal. Well, today the Supreme Court found
that in the case of this one judge who had
entered a temporary restraining order saying that the government should
not halt payments through the Department of Education to contractors

(42:16):
with the Department of Education, the Supreme Court said, look,
the guy styled it, this judge styled it as a
temporary restraining order. In fact, it's prelinary injunction and we're
going to treat it as such, and therefore it is appealable.
And we're here to say that this guy doesn't have
this kind of authority, he can't do this. And in fact,

(42:39):
if you want to get into a dispute over how
the government is spending its money and whether or not
it should be honoring these contracts. You should go to
the court of claims and not to the U. S
District Court. So they basically stayed or did away with
the order of the district court judge. And without getting
too far into the weeds of this sort of practice,

(43:01):
these judges who are entering these temporary restraining orders are
I believe in for a rude awakening when these cases
start getting into the US Supreme Court. Today's decision by
the Supreme Court against that Massachusetts judge, I think is
the handwriting on the wall as to what's going to happen.
But there's an even bigger issue too, which is when

(43:24):
a federal judge enters in order and that order is
defied or not honored, what's the remedy. Well, the remedy
is to hold the party not complying with the order
in contempt. So what are they going to do? Hold
the president in contempt, hold members of his administration in contempt? Well,
how's that going to work? Because the enforcement mechanism for

(43:46):
any contempt order is you either imprison the person who's
not obeying the order, or you find the person who's
not obanyging the order. Well, all of the enforcement mechanisms
are in the executive branch. The resident going to imprison
himself because some federal judge said to do that, or
is the president going to say, okay, go ahead, you

(44:06):
find me a million dollars, I'm going to have my
I'm gonna have my administration forced me to pay a
million dollars. It's utter nonsense. And I've read an article recently.
It was it was published in the American Spectator, and
the title of the article is shooting blanks from the bench,
meaning that the courts really have no enforcement power without

(44:28):
the active cooperation of the executive branch. And in this
case where these judges are trying to run the country
from their courtrooms, they're going to learn if push comes
to shove, that is, if the Supreme Court ever upholds
what they're doing. I think you've got in Donald Trump,

(44:49):
You've got the very president who's going to say, you
know what, as Andrew Jackson is supposed to have said,
at one time, you've major ruling, Now you try and
enforce it, because we're not enforcing it for you. You
so that's really what we're dealing with. And I think
that you're going to see the Supreme Court trying to
put a leash on these judges who are entering these

(45:10):
nationwide injunctions.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, I think you're right about that, and I think
some of these judges, you could argue they've been violating
their oath of office because they're doing things that are inconstitutional.
But this is a great place for us to take
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(48:50):
in issue that George is quite quite knowledgeable about, and
that's shooting blanks from the bench. Hey, George, thank you
for holding through that break and we've read to appreciate
your time. And you know, George, as you say, there
have been an onslaught of temporary injunctions on Donald Trump

(49:11):
in his first administration. In this second administration, what really
angers me, George, is it doesn't seem like the Republicans
were ready this time. They should have seen this coming.
They should have been ready. And the other thing is
what angers me is when we were when we Republicans

(49:33):
were out of power, we never used the courts the
way the Democrats use the courts.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
George s talk me back from this ledge.

Speaker 12 (49:43):
Well, there was at least one nationwide injunction during the
Biden administration. When Biden was supposedly canceling the student loan debt.
And I think there was one or two federal judges
that came forward and said, you know, you just can't

(50:03):
do that. But the fact of the matter is there
have not been the same kinds of actions. I mean,
as I said.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Before Georgia, not to interrupt, but it seems to me
a perfect action for Republicans that they could have taken
was to stop Joe Biden from not enforcing our border laws. Yeah,
and the Republican Republicans were absolutely silent on it. They
were just sitting around saying, well, this is why you
have to elect us. But I think if they if

(50:40):
we see what's happening with these injunctions, at least they're
temporarily pausing the flights of these felons out of our country.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
It frustrates me.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Frustrates me to sit and watch Republicans sit in their
hands and do nothing.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Again, it seems to me.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Stopping illegals coming across the border would have been a
perfect example of where Republicans could have taken action, at
least in the courts to stop Obama and to force
him to uphold our laws.

Speaker 12 (51:12):
Well, I mean, there were twelve nationwide injunctions during the
Obama years. There were six during the Biden years. But
the fact of the matter is, if we want to
be consistent in our thinking, the courts don't have the
jurisdiction to make the president President Trump do things that

(51:38):
he doesn't want to do in terms of national security
and running the government and immigration and so forth. That's
the position, and that's the correct position. And therefore, when
Biden wasn't doing his job, going to court really isn't
going to be the solution either. The courts don't have

(51:59):
any thing to say about it. They can't make we
couldn't argue that they had the authority to make Biden
do things when we're now making the argument they don't
have the authority to make Trump do things. I think
that's that's the short take that I have on that.
But in terms of being ready, I think Pam Bondi is,

(52:21):
you know, they have appealed every one of these crazy
court decisions, and they're winding their way through the appellate
courts and the you know, the decision today by the
Supreme Court was really one of the first cases to
make it to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court
pretty much put the handwriting on the wall in terms

(52:44):
of how they're going to handle these things. And I
think that chances are pretty good that ultimately all of
these cases are going to wind up being smacked down
by the Supreme Court. If they're not, then I really
do believe that Trump is more than prepared to call
their bluff and say, well, you entered the order, and

(53:07):
good luck trying to enforce it.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Well, do you know what it all happened, George?

Speaker 1 (53:11):
The moment he does that, the Democrats are going to
clamor impeachment, impeachment, impeachment.

Speaker 12 (53:17):
Yeah, And that's a good luck with that when you
go to Republican majority in the House. I mean, Rick,
the problem that conservatives get into all the time is
they keep thinking in terms of principle and in terms
of right and wrong. A lot of this is just politics,
and yeah, but are we and there is no right

(53:40):
and wrong in politics. I mean, it's whatever, you know,
it's whatever you can get away with. And I just
you know, they can talk impeachment all they want. That's
ain't gonna slow Trump down. The guy's been impeached twice
over nothing, and this time around, I don't think they
could get the votes together in the House are representatives.
I know the Republicans in the housers. John Kennedy, Senator

(54:03):
Kennedy from Louisiana referred to the Republicans in the Senate
as free range chickens. And you know, I think the
same description applies to the Republicans in the House. You
got a collection of people, Republican and Democrat. Who are
these elected officials who have one organizing principle and one

(54:26):
central principle to their very lives and that is what's
best for me? And how is this going to affect
my career? So I don't see the Republicans in the
House of Representatives, especially since they have a majority. I
can't see them going ahead with an impeachment against Trump.

(54:47):
Trump's approval rating, if you look at the numbers following
the tariffs where that everybody's going crazy over, his approval
rating today is fifty three percent. It went up by
four points from yesterday. Wow, so and nobody, I mean,
this is unprecedented. These are unprecedented numbers for a president.

(55:11):
Trump is just overwhelmingly popular. He has he is personally
responsible for a lot of these people in the Congress
having their jobs in the first place, as and the
same goes in the Senate. I think, you know they
want to talk impeachment. Well, I'm sure Hakeem Jefferies and

(55:32):
AOC and all of that crowd are ready to go
forward with that, but that's a non starter. And defying
these illegal court orders by these power mad narcissist judges,
I don't think that's going to get him in trouble.
I think if he told them, you, you know, take
your order and stick it in your ear, which is

(55:53):
a line from my article, that's not going to get
that's not going to get Trump impeached. It's going to
make history because as a present Will finally have come
right out and said what everybody knows the case to be,
that the courts don't have the power. I cited my
article the descending opinion from the nineteen sixty two case

(56:14):
Supreme Court case in which Justice Felix Frankfurter said, the court,
meaning the Supreme Court has neither the sword nor the purse.
All it really has is moral sanction. So and I
think that's true. They can write their opinions and the

(56:34):
only thing that would have any effect at all is
whether or not the public at large agreed with the
moral sanction, the moral vision of the Supreme Court, and
whether or not that could hold sway. But they don't
have the power to say to judge, to say to
President Trump, you know you violated our order. Now you're
in trouble pow because it doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
All right, George, Well, what about the judges, these these
liberal judges that are being hand picked to hear these cases?
What ramifications? I mean we hear things like impeach. Well,
I don't know about impeaching these judges. It's not like
they're breaking a law per se. But what ramifications could

(57:18):
these judges be facing?

Speaker 12 (57:21):
Well, impeachment I don't see as a realistic I don't
either stick sanction. I mean, it's too cumbersome and it
just you know, I think I think it's a pointless
discussion in terms of what happens to him. Well, they're
appointed for life, and I think the the only the

(57:45):
only thing you can do is either have the Supreme
Court or the Congress make it clear that nationwide injunctions
are no longer permissible.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Well, how about this idea, George's bring this guy back
from Melsavatory and plan them on this judge's lawn.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
I mean, this is what seemed to start to turn.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
The tide against the illegal immigration when when Governor Abbott
started sending planes of illegals to places like Cape cod
and Chicago and Los Angeles. That's the only thing that
seemed to get anybody's attention. Let's bring these people back
and plan them on the laws of these judges.

Speaker 12 (58:27):
George Well, I think I think the ultimate the ultimate
answer to this is let these judges say whatever they want.
They're not going anywhere, and they're not Ultimately, they're not
going to prevail. The problem right now is with these
temporary restraining orders. They are gumming up the works, but

(58:48):
only on a temporary basis. We have to fix it
so that they can't issue nationwide injunctions. There's nothing in
the law that authorizes them to do this.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
By the way, can you see it a a Roberts
Court finally saying, I.

Speaker 12 (59:06):
Think from what I saw today in the opinion, Roberts,
by the way, sided with the liberals on the court
a surprise, but the conservatives, ay Cony Barrett included, stood
firm sot, you've got a five to four decision, and
I think it's a solid five in the future going

(59:28):
to make short work of these temporary restraining orders. But
even if they don't, you also have a movement underway
in the Congress to modify the authority of the or
make it clear that there is no jurisdiction among the

(59:51):
federal judges to enter nationwide injunctions. I mean, these nationwide
injunctions come out of litigation between parties to the suit,
and the rest of the country has not been representative
and they're not a party to the suit. And the
Constitution says the courts are established to consider cases and controversies,

(01:00:16):
and by that term, the only people who should be
affected by what goes on in a court are the
people who have litigated the case before that particular court. Well,
the American people aren't represented, they're just along for the ride.
When you get these activist judges who say, well, this
seems like a good result for these parties here, and

(01:00:37):
I think it should apply to the whole country. So bing,
here's my nationwide injunction, and it's been tolerated and it's
gotten out a hand. I mean before they didn't do
this kind of stuff. Well, they've been doing it recently,
and it started with the George W. Bush administration, and
it's continued on and it's gotten to epidemic proportions when

(01:00:58):
you have Trump. In the first time Trump was president,
it was over sixty of these things and now you
have over fifteen of them in counting. So I think
they have made some such wide use of this that
they have created a problem for themselves because now there's
going to be corrective action taken, either by the Supreme

(01:01:18):
Court or by the Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Very discouraging that John Roberts sided with the liberals. I mean,
that's very discouraging. George Parry. We want to thank you
for joining us today. George, it's been a while. Great
to have you back with this. But before you go,
please tell our audience how they could follow you and
read the things you write.

Speaker 12 (01:01:40):
Well, I have a blog. It's called Knowledge is Good
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It's a free blog and I post my articles on
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Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
All right, George Perry, again, thank you so much for
joining us.

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Speaker 12 (01:02:05):
Okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Guests of the shows, join us and please make that introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Absolutely always happy to do it because we always have
the very best guests.

Speaker 13 (01:06:09):
And we've got Roger Aroonoff here to prove that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
He is the executive director and editor of the Citizens
Commission on National Security. National security is a pretty important
issue because we live in a dangerous world, and so
he obviously works on that, and for example, he founded
the Citizens Commission on Benghazi, and he has produced and
directed six documentaries, and he also has produced a weekly

(01:06:35):
series on PBS.

Speaker 13 (01:06:36):
Called think Tank with Ben Wattenberg.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
So he deals with these important issues all the time,
and we're really glad to have him be a part
of this discussion today because heaven knows, there's a lot
of important things happening in the world. So Roger, welcome
back to the Conservative Commando is very glad to have you.

Speaker 18 (01:06:53):
Thank you so much, George. Great to be with you
and Rick as always.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I wanted to ask you about this question of It's
just kind of an odd thing because normally speaking, the
left is fairly loyal to their friends and allies, and
yet recently what we've seen is a real kind of
vicious attack on the sentiment Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. And
what was weird is that he basically saved the Democratic

(01:07:21):
Party from looking like morons, and the people in their
party who are truly stupid, like AOC, you know, truly
low IQ individuals have been acting like he's the big
problem in America today and somehow, oh my gosh, the
Democratic Party has got this problem with people like Chuck Schumer.
And I'm thinking to myself, I'm not a big fan

(01:07:41):
of Chuck Schumer, so I'm not trying to argue in
his behalf. But this decision was not designed necessarily to
promote Donald Trump's agenda. It was basically just to make
sure that he and the Democrats didn't get blamed for
shutting down the government, which would not.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
Have necessarily been helpful to them.

Speaker 13 (01:07:57):
So I wanted to ask you to help us kind
of wade through all this.

Speaker 18 (01:08:01):
Yes, so I'm happy to and thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:08:03):
And yeah, I know you're referring to my new column
up on our website ccnationalsecurity dot org. I encourage everyone
to go to check it out. We have some great
people there. But to answer your question, yes, Schumer faced
a dilemma. And the first day he came up and
he said, no, we're not gonna provide the eight votes

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necessary to reach sixty in the Senate to pass this
continuing resolution.

Speaker 18 (01:08:33):
That the House just passed.

Speaker 19 (01:08:35):
We are gonna let the government shut down, and it'll
be on the Republicans for doing it, for not negotiating
with us. And then the next day, after an apparent
meeting where he was yelled at based on reports by
New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, he caved and he said, Okay,

(01:08:55):
we're gonna go ahead and we don't want to shut
the government down.

Speaker 18 (01:08:58):
And as I point out, there are different theories.

Speaker 19 (01:09:01):
One is to say that he thought that the Democrats
would be blamed for it. My response to that is,
Democrats are never blamed for it, CNN New York Times.
They will always find a way to blame the Republicans
and Trump.

Speaker 18 (01:09:17):
So I think that was an unfounded reason. If that
was his real reason.

Speaker 19 (01:09:23):
But the problem is that Trump derangement syndrome is so
widespread and is so infective the media and the Democratic
Party that to even take a position that appears to
be giving Trump his way, letting him have his way.

Speaker 18 (01:09:40):
Is unacceptable.

Speaker 19 (01:09:41):
So not just the AOC and Bernie Sanders and came
out and condemned him for doing this.

Speaker 18 (01:09:49):
But again, as.

Speaker 19 (01:09:50):
I point out, they in the House had a very
easy vote because their vote, they could vote against it,
and there was no chance that their vote was going
to make a difference.

Speaker 18 (01:10:00):
But Schumer was faced with we either have to come.

Speaker 19 (01:10:04):
Up with eight votes to help the Republicans get this
through and avoid shutting the government down, or you know,
we're going to be blamed, or you know.

Speaker 18 (01:10:14):
We need to show that we can work with them
in some way.

Speaker 19 (01:10:17):
But he was just so hammered in the media and
all these calls now for him to step down as
the leader of the party.

Speaker 18 (01:10:26):
It just shows where they are.

Speaker 19 (01:10:27):
They're so divided, and I point to a Paul that
shows how how low their approval ratings have fallen by
over thirty points, almost forty points, and.

Speaker 18 (01:10:39):
From a year ago.

Speaker 19 (01:10:41):
That's Democrats approving the Democratic Party, there's so much antipathy
there and so they're looking at it as a situation
that do we want to move to the left, you
know with AOC and.

Speaker 18 (01:10:56):
Bernie, do we want to show that we're more moderate?
In other words?

Speaker 19 (01:11:00):
Like Gavin Newsom, you know, in his he started a
podcast and in his first interview, which was with Charlie Kirk,
he said, yes, this issue of men and women's sports
is an issue of fairness and we need to be
more sensitive to that.

Speaker 18 (01:11:16):
But the point is is by doing.

Speaker 19 (01:11:20):
That again he got hammered and he obviously has presidential aspirations,
so they're not sure which way to turn and what
to do, and Trump is just playing this masterfully, I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Yeah, I think you're right about that.

Speaker 13 (01:11:35):
It's kind of a weird thing that I see, Like you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Point out that the Democratic Party's popularity has dropped dramatically,
and I'm trying to figure out is it one or
two issues or dozens of issues. I have a feeling
and at least my theory is it might be lots
of issues. An example would be I would argue border
security and the fact that the Democrats for four years
defended and protected and made sure that literally millions of

(01:11:59):
people we're pouring across our border every quarter and maybe
in some cases every month, and Americans are ringing, wait
a minute, this is crazy. Look at the crime in
my neighborhood, Look at all the problems as have created,
all those other things.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
They're saying, this is stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
And or maybe, like you said, it's this whole concept
of everything from not being sure what a man is
or a woman is or you know that kind of
just like, really, that's not that complicated, that's not really
you don't have to have a degree in biology to
be able to tell a woman from a man, a
man from a woman.

Speaker 13 (01:12:33):
But anyhow, but other things as well, And so I
just wanted to ask.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
You, do you think there's, if you will, a wide
variety of issues that the Democrats have just gone far,
far too left on and that Americans are starting to
go whoa, whoa, that's too much.

Speaker 19 (01:12:48):
And yes, and Trump in these first two months in
office to show them what done. In other words, they
after that bill that James Langford doors and pushed, which
would have allowed five thousand a day to keep coming in.

Speaker 18 (01:13:04):
You know, when.

Speaker 19 (01:13:05):
Asked, Biden said, this is all we can do without
Congress joining in and coming up with some kind of
bipartisan solution. And yet Trump comes in and within the
first thirty days he shuts the border down almost completely,
with mainly by reversing the executive orders that Biden had
put in place when he came in.

Speaker 18 (01:13:26):
So that's one.

Speaker 19 (01:13:27):
Then you have the issue of men in women's sports,
and you just see like the main governor, she first
said we'll see you in.

Speaker 18 (01:13:36):
Court, and then they buckle, and you know, these.

Speaker 19 (01:13:39):
Issues they seem such common sense issues that it's so
obvious that men shouldn't be competing in women's sports. So
then it becomes the definition of what do you mean men?
You mean trans women? And so these things that like
the border, that issue, and then you know, you look

(01:14:02):
at what's happening with Russia, Ukraine and in the Middle East,
and all of a sudden, after three years of this
war and never even reaching out to Russia to try
to maybe see, is there some basis to have a
ceasefire and then a solution to this war. So they've
stepped into doing all these things that seem quite obvious now.

(01:14:24):
But yet their people are just so they can't accept
anything that Trump does as possibly being good, a good thing,
or for the right reason. So they're stuck in that dilemma.
That's the dilemma that I tried to capture in this article.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
No, I think your articles are very good and I
would definitely recommend that our viewers and listeners look it
up because lots of really good points. And one of
the points I think rays that was very interesting to
me was there's polling out right now about who among
the various Democratic leaders are leading, if you will, as
an early leader in the polls, to be the twenty

(01:15:04):
twenty eight presidential candidate. And it kind of surprised me
that Kamala Harris apparently is leading. And I'm thinking to myself,
she just lost, and she was a joke of a candidate.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I'm thinking to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Myself, I think I could have not that it would
have been constitutionally acceptable, because you can't be an eighteen
year old and run for president. But I could have
gone to a local high school and found an eighteen
year old and with a months or two of training,
gotten them to where they could have performed better on
the campaign trail and on debates and looked more like
a serious candidate than she did. And that's how bad

(01:15:37):
a candidate she was. And it wasn't just she had
a bad day here or there. She's been in office
for a long time and consistently been a complete idiot
and constantly saying stupid things and speaking in word salads.
And so I'm trying to figure out what is going
on that they're not looking for someone else.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
I mean, is there bench.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
That week that she's the best person they've got, because
I think, to myself, Wow, that means that they're in
deep trouble.

Speaker 19 (01:16:05):
Well they are, and they have again that that pull
that you're referring to shows her leading the pack with
thirty six percent, in second place, Pete Bootage in second
place at ten percent, and below that AOC and a
number of others, you know, Elizabeth Warren.

Speaker 18 (01:16:23):
They throw in Bernie.

Speaker 19 (01:16:25):
I guess he's even still considered somebody. But the point
is is, yes, their benches that week, and I think
Gavin Newsom was the one who presumed to.

Speaker 18 (01:16:36):
Be the candidate.

Speaker 19 (01:16:38):
But you know, with the situations going on in California,
I mean, they're just not sure which way to turn.
Do they go further left? Do they try to go
more trumpion? And he's not really right wing, you know.
I mean his policies are they're not taken from the
standard conservative playbook, you know, things like Tara and free

(01:17:00):
trade and on a number of issues. But they hate
him so much that they branded as you know, right wing, fascist, nazi,
you know, the way they try to label everything that
he does, so you have that issue with him.

Speaker 18 (01:17:21):
So yeah, they are.

Speaker 19 (01:17:22):
And if they just start from debates and primaries, I
don't think Kamala is going to last. I mean, she
could never sit down in a real interview where they
really challenge her views and ask her these kind of questions.
She will never show up as being someone well informed

(01:17:43):
able to deal with these issues. And then the contrast
is Trump will sit there for whether it's three hours
with Joe Rogan or these where he has all the
press in while he's signing executive orders, taking questions for
an hour and a half, and he lets all of
his people go out there.

Speaker 18 (01:18:01):
Pam Bondi and Musk and.

Speaker 19 (01:18:04):
All of them can just take questions from the press
because they have nothing to hide, you know, which is
kind of what was going on before. They couldn't really
reveal their true positions to the media, so they stayed
away from them, and you know what Biden.

Speaker 18 (01:18:20):
Was in office and kamalas.

Speaker 19 (01:18:22):
So that's such a become an obvious contrast between the
two parties today is the complete transparency of Trump, whether
you like him or not, or the way he puts things.
He's out there and he'll take questions and it's not
just from Fox News or Real America's Voice. He'll take
him from anybody and everybody and he does and.

Speaker 18 (01:18:45):
So and you get to see his thinking in real time.
It's just right there for you. And so that's the
choice what we're faced with today.

Speaker 19 (01:18:55):
I mean, he is he has shown such transparency and
and I think most people are happy with his issues
and the way he fights back against issues like men
and women's sports, and you know, the various other issues,
the energy issue and how we're trying to you know,

(01:19:17):
taxation and regulation and all these things, and then of
course digging into with DOGE and all the fraud and
you know the Stacy Abrams two billion dollars project for
MGOS that you're finding. Just today in their cabinet meeting,
they went through a whole list of these new contracts

(01:19:41):
that they've found with MGOS and others that are just
obvious fraud and things that are so ridiculous that we
would ever give grants for for millions of dollars and
hundreds of thousands of dollars to look into, you know,
various issues to do with transgender and dee and all that.

(01:20:01):
So it's quite an amazing time and I just came
back from seatpack and it was quite a celebration of
this whole change in.

Speaker 18 (01:20:12):
What our government has become.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Indeed, that's a very good point, and that's a great
place for us to take a quick break. So folks,
don't go away because the conservative commandos with Rick Trader
and George Landreth and our guest Roger Aronoff, will be
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(01:24:44):
on Nationals or the Citizens Commission on National Security. He
also co founded the Citizens Committee on Benghazi. Hey, Roger,
thank you for holding through that break. We appreciate your
time and appreciate you being with us.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
How about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Roger, I just think that what we're seeing now in
history is absolutely astonishing. Everything that's transpired over the last
four years. I mean, here you've got You've got all
the investigations, indictments, impeachments, trials, mugshots, Donald Trump rallying to

(01:25:26):
win every battleground state, increasing gains in the Senate. And
now what we're seeing during the first two months of
his administration, I've never I've never seen anything like it,
have you, Roger.

Speaker 19 (01:25:43):
No, It's it's amazing because they have thrown everything at him,
starting in his first administration, from the Russia Gate oaks
to all of the two impeachments, and then since he's
been out of office, since he announced again in twenty
twenty two he was running. Then they started up I

(01:26:06):
just unprecedented law fair against him in every one of
those cases, and I'd linked to them because I've written
about him in the past. How each one was really
orchestrated by the White House?

Speaker 18 (01:26:17):
I'm talking about the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
John wanted to ask you about that for it. Was
it orchestrated by the White House?

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
I e. Joe o'biden, or.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Was it instigated by his autopen crew.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I'm Sarah's Roger.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
You know what we're hearing now about the autopen And
we've seen evidence how the signatures on so many of
these executive orders coming from Joe o'biden match exactly to
each other, exactly to each other. Something was who knows
if Joe Biden knew those executive actions were quote unquote

(01:26:57):
signed by him and put in law, or it was
his auto pen gang. And who's to say his auto
pen gang wasn't responsible for a lot of the things
that we're talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:27:09):
Well, I think very likely.

Speaker 19 (01:27:11):
So, I mean, I think that's the whole point of Biden,
is that they pretended that this guy was reading national
security briefings every day and making big decisions.

Speaker 18 (01:27:22):
But every time.

Speaker 19 (01:27:23):
You'd see him up in front of an audience, he
obviously couldn't put together two sentences and he really didn't
know what was going on, and so you had a
lot of examples of that that he didn't even know
what orders had been signed.

Speaker 18 (01:27:39):
I mean, we've been hearing those sort of things.

Speaker 19 (01:27:42):
But yeah, but then the point is, like Fanny willis
the Rico case out of Georgia. I mean the guy
she Nathan Wade, who she had assigned to that case,
spent two full days in the White House before they
really came out with this whole Rico case.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Do you think he spent two full days with Joe o'biden.
He spent that time with somebody. I mean, Joe had
to get his nap in. Maybe he sold him for
five or ten minutes. But again you gotta ask the
question how much of this was Joe and how much
of this was his autopen crew.

Speaker 19 (01:28:19):
Well, it was his autopen crew, I mean, and whether
we're talking the Obamas, whether we're talking Sorrows, I mean,
the people who are behind the throne there doing all
this stuff. Was Yeah, I mean, the decision was made,
we're going after Trump. And with Letitia James, with the

(01:28:40):
Alvin Bragg, judge, Jan mershawan Jack Smith have clear ties
back to the White House. So again I'm not saying
Biden himself conceived and orchestrated all this, but it was
done in his name, I mean. And early on there
was an article that I point to from the New

(01:29:01):
York Times where he was upset with Merrick Garland because
he wanted him to be more like a prosecutor and
go after Trump. And he made that clear. So and
again that was reported by the New York Times, so
you can't doubt it. But all these cases were Again

(01:29:22):
you look at the classified documents case mar Lago and
then compare that it was in a secure place. He
had been president, he had the rights to keep most of,
if not all, those documents, compared to Joe Biden, who
had been having classified documents in several different locations, including.

Speaker 18 (01:29:43):
The garage and his Delaware home.

Speaker 19 (01:29:45):
Where he wasn't even staying there, but Hunter was. And
you know, you have so many of those kind of thing.
But they said, now he's a sympathetic old man who
probably didn't know what he was doing. And you know,
the robber her defense of Biden why they didn't prosecute
him for that. And then the Letitia James case they

(01:30:08):
wanted they tried to find him half a billion dollars
and this was all over a case where they said
that he gave false evaluations to get favorable loan and
insurance rates. And you know, the people who they brought
to testify, like Deutschebach said, no, you know, we don't

(01:30:29):
take what he says as being the absolute truth about the.

Speaker 18 (01:30:34):
Value of the land.

Speaker 19 (01:30:35):
We do our own checking and we're perfectly happy and
we got all our money.

Speaker 18 (01:30:40):
And so no one was defrauded, no one claimed to
be defrauded.

Speaker 19 (01:30:44):
But they came up with this case and they confined
jurys in New York in some cases just judges making
these calls. So yeah, on and on they went with
these and again the re Go case in Georgia was
over this phone call where he was with Raffensberger and

(01:31:06):
basically he said, find me eleven thousand votes, you know,
but the full context of it is there were hundreds
of thousands of votes that were suspect in Georgia that
you know, just saying that's all I needed, you know,
to have. He didn't say go out and manufacture votes.
I mean, that's what they did in Pennsylvania, for instance,

(01:31:28):
to win Pennsylvania in that twenty twenty election.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Right, Hey, Roger, I know you've got another appointment you
got to get to. We could keep you another hour
on this subject. But Roger Aronoff, Executive director, editor of
the Citizens Commission on National Security.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Roger, we want to thank you so much for joining
us here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
But before you go, please tell our listeners and viewers
how they could keep track of you and read the
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Speaker 18 (01:31:55):
Thank you.

Speaker 19 (01:31:55):
Go to CC national Security dot or. That's CC for
Citizens Commission Ccnationalsecurity dot org. And among our members are
Alan West, who you mentioned earlier. We have Claire Lopez,
former CIA officer. We have generals and Tom McInerney and

(01:32:17):
Paul Valley, Pete Hookstra, former Chairman of the House Intelligence
Committee who's now taken leave to be ambassador to Canada.

Speaker 18 (01:32:26):
So we have some great people. We have some great
guest columns.

Speaker 19 (01:32:31):
We're not we don't publish every day, but we try
to keep going, keep up with everything we think. We
have great articles and interviews up there, and we you know,
we work behind the scenes. We do a lot of
things and I actually have some projects that we could
do if we had more money.

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So I know we all feel that way.

Speaker 19 (01:32:52):
So encourager viewers to contact me through the website and
I'd love to be in touch with you all. And
so again Ccnationalsecurity dot org.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Again, Roger, we want to thank you so much for
joining us.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Take care and God bless thank you both.

Speaker 19 (01:33:12):
You guys are great, You do great work and I
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the interviews, we were talking about JFK, John Fitzgerald Kennedy
and It's interesting that that family has been in office
at least my entire lifetime. And I know I'm older
than you. I mean, the Kennedys have been around forever.
We talked about JFK and how different his party is

(01:39:07):
from the way it was when he was in office,
and interesting that there was a hearing the other day
that another Kennedy was involved, Robert F. Kennedy, And I
wonder how JFK would feel about what Robert Kennedy is
advocating make America healthy again. I remember that JFK. He

(01:39:30):
was all about the health of America. I remember him
talking about drinking a glass of Milka day he instituted
the Presidential Fitness Awards that, by the way, Trump is
talking about bringing back. But Jeff K was very interested,
very concerned about the health of our country back then.
And hey, now we have another Kennedy doing the same thing,

(01:39:54):
being very interested in the health of our nation.

Speaker 18 (01:39:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
It's very interesting to watch the hearing last week because
one of the things that surprised me was just kind
of the Each senator was given five minutes, and every
single Democrat took the entire five minutes just to yell
at them call him names, and they pretended to ask questions,
but they never give him a chance to answer questions.
I have to be honest. If I were him and

(01:40:18):
the committee called me back and said I'd like you
to come again and talk to an oversight hearing, I
would tell them, no, I will not do so, because
this was not an oversight hearing. It was a political
just a political game that you were playing. You basically
just let you just let them yell at me, call
me names, and I didn't get a chance to answer questions.
And oversight is about you asking me questions and me

(01:40:40):
being held responsible to answer said questions. But there was
none of that going on. And so what it demonstrates
is whether you're Bernie Sanders or whether you're Pocahontas, these
people do not take serious of their obligations. Everything is
them as for them is just politics. They play politics.
I thought it very interesting because he would try to

(01:41:01):
answer questions and they'd cut him off and act like,
how dare you answer the question? I just you know
they and what they ended up doing was they just
made a political speech at the question mark at the
end of it, and then he tried to answer the
implied question. They would cut him off and then continue
on at the next political statement with the question mark
at the end, and then not let him answer. And
they just did this over and over again. And I

(01:41:22):
think it's just stunning because his doesn't make America healthy again.
Agenda is designed. He's not anti. They act like, oh,
you're anti you know, vaccinations, you're anti medicine. That's not
true that he just wants to make sure that we
have new vaccines, that we put them through testing, and
that we make sure they're working and that they're safe.
An example would be I think you could argue that

(01:41:44):
the polio vaccine has a very strong track record and
it's done a very good job. And so I don't
hear him ever questioning or acting like, holio vaccine stink.
We may not need them as much now simply because
it may be that we've kind of, if you will,
killed off the disease.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
But you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
There was a time when it was one of the
big horrible diseases that was widespread and that did a
great job of knocking it off. But he's like looking
at additives who put into food.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
That do harm. And he makes a very good point.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
We are a rich nation, so nobody's starving to death
really in America, and yet we are the most overweight
nation on the planet and we are the one of
the least healthiest nations on the planet. And it's kind
of amazing. Why would a first world nation be in
that situation? And the answer is because the CDC has
been run by koops for too long, and that was

(01:42:38):
illustrated during the pandemic, for example, became very obvious because
they basically just did all kinds of crazy stuff that
were designed to play politics. I think all they really
wanted to do was scare everyone to death so they
could justify the you know, mail in voting and all
the different rules that change, so they could basically commit

(01:43:00):
voter fraud. They were just playing politics. They were part
of the plan and also made it possible for someone
like Joe Biden to campaign from his basement and hide
the fact that he was in huge mental decline because
he didn't have to do much. No one has ever
run for office in the way that he did before,
and so these people were using public health to play

(01:43:20):
political games with us, and it cost a lot of
lives because they did stupid things. And the example is
be demanding that children get multiple vaccines when children are
not at risk. And the stats were very clear early
on there were zero deaths under the age of eighteen
with COVID, you know, so it's kind of like, really,

(01:43:41):
we're going to act like this is a part you know.
The people who were dying from COVID tended to be
seventeen over, but not just seventeen over generally they had
also health issues already. Like my mother was over seventy
she got COVID. She felt bad for a few days.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
But that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
It was kind of like she had the flu. It
wasn't life threatening, and that was pretty typical. But there
were obviously a number of people either who had problems
with obesity or other health problems or age, and they
were susceptible, and so the vaccine had been very helpful
to them, but not necessarily to people who were under

(01:44:17):
thirty or for that matter, probably under fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:44:20):
George.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Up to recently, Robert Kennedy has been a Democrat. Fact
he tried to run for president in twenty twenty four.
He was shot down brutally by his party. And my
question for you, and now he's part of the Trump
administration he's Secretary Health and Human Services. So my question

(01:44:43):
to you is, George, do you think those hearings were
as rancorous and his attacking of Robert F. Kennedy for
a that he is now working with the hated enemy
that being Donald Trump, were the fact that so ma
many people who were questioning him and badgering him during

(01:45:06):
that hearing was taking money from big Pharma. I'm looking
at this list right now on the Internet, and I
don't know how accurate it is, but Tammy Baldman in
the years twenty twenty three twenty twenty four, Tammy Baldwin
got one hundred and eighty eight thousand, Michael Bennett got
fifty five thousand, Lisa Rochester got two hundred earth three

(01:45:29):
hundred and twenty thousand, Dick Durbin got forty seven thousand.
Tim Kaine got over two hundred thousand dollars in big Pharma.
Andy Kim got one hundred six thousand. Robert Menendez before
he went to jail, got forty nine thousand, Adam Schiff
got one hundred and ninety six thousand, Elizabeth Warren got

(01:45:53):
over twenty nine thousand. So, George, is it because they
were protecting their friends zone Big Pharma. Or where they
attacking Kennedy because they now see him as a trade
tour to the Democrat Party.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
That's a very good question.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
I can't necessarily read their intentions, but I suspect it
is a function of they see him as a trader.
In other words, he's part of the Democratic foundation. The
Kennedys are important. Why is he on the other's team now?
And the answer is because you guys have become kouks.
It didn't used to be that. To be a Democrat
you had to be a kook, and now it is
Show me a single member of Congress in the Democratic

(01:46:33):
Party who's not a kouk. An example, in Virginia, Abigail
Spanberger is running and pretending to be a moderate.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
That's her game.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
She got elected claiming to be one, and then she's
now running for governor claiming to be a moderate. She's
never been a moderate. She doesn't have a moderate bone
in her body. If you look at her voting record,
she has voted for every left wing crazy kooky thing
you can imagine. Example would be she's decided to vote
against protecting girls in the locker room.

Speaker 13 (01:47:02):
From rapists, so she's pro rape.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
It's kind of like, really, so don't pretend you're moderate,
because if you're a moderate, you would support that. If
you can't support that, then you are a kuk. Or
if you're worse than a kouk, you're actually an evil kouk,
because if you're supporting the potential rate of our daughters,
then you quite frankly, are an accomplice.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
To the crime.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
George, we had a couple of great guests today. Would
you thank them for us?

Speaker 9 (01:47:29):
Please?

Speaker 4 (01:47:30):
Absolutely?

Speaker 12 (01:47:30):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
We always have a great guests, and today was no exception.
We had George Perry, of course, he's a contributor to
the American Spectator of the Federalist. Philoth inquired and we
had a great conversation with him about what's going on
in the courts where we have a number of liberal
judges who seem to think the fact that they're wearing
these judicial robes somehow launches them into the oval office

(01:47:51):
and that they can override the president. And then, of
course Roger Ironoff was also very interesting. He, of course
executive director and editor of the Citizens Commission on National Security.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
We had a great conversation with.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Him about how divided the Democrats have become and how
extreme they have become, which is of course part of
what we've also talked about, and why the public no
longer sees them in a positive light. They are now
at historically unpopular levels for the very reason that Roger
decided to reveal.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
To us, and why you're telling us about things want
us to tell us about your book.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Sure, I have a book that is entitled let Freedom
Ring Again. Then the subtitle is can self evident Truths
save America from further decline? And the idea that self
evident truths phrase comes from the Declaration of Independence, and
unlike Tim Kaine, I don't hate the Declaration of Independence,
but anyhow, this book gives you a lot of help

(01:48:45):
to understand what's going on in America and helps you
analyze why our constitution are founding fathers and our principles
that have been part of America for so long.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Would be very.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Helpful, and yet we have a party that's fighting them
on full force, and that's not helpful. I hope people
will read it. You can get it on Amazon or
any other place you buy books.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Can also get it at Frontiers of Freedom or.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
George again, I want to thank you so much for
sitting in a is my co host. But for right
now we are out of time. That means that we
got to run it. We gotta go take care godless.
We'll see it tomorrow. That's going to be on TV
and on radio.

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