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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, Welcome fellow plurables. Welcome
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(00:27):
and you're always welcome. Here in this place is the
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is the president and CEO of Frontiers of Freedom, and
that is George Landerth And George, welcome back, Welcome back

(00:49):
to Conservative Commandas.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It's great to be here. After all, this is the
place to be and I'm excited about it because I
love doing the show with you, and I love the
au N TV network where things like truth and fact
and reason matter as opposed to things like propaganda.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, George, I love doing this show too, but it
seems like more and more and more we've been doing
too many shows about kooks, people with mental disorders, people
with hatred, in their hearts killing others. Hopefully we can.
We've had a couple of situations. One in North Carolina,
South for a little town that I've actually have visited,

(01:29):
a guy pulls up in his boat, turn out to
a restaurant and opens up on a crowd, killing three people,
wounding eight others. And then in Michigan of another madman
drives his truck through the front door of a church,
opens fire on the people. That's not bad enough, sets

(01:50):
the church on fire. George's it I've set for quite
some time. We don't have gun violence problem in America,
but we surely have a criminal island's problem. We have
a mental health problem in a mark at George and
I think that today's just going to be another one
of those shows about these terrible, terrible acts and you

(02:13):
can't call it acts of humanity, but they're acts by
the worst of our society.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah. Well, it kind of reminds us with Charlie Kirk.
Supposedly this guy decided to shoot Charlie Kirk and kill
him because he was a fascist. It's kind of like,
that's just stupid. He's not a fascist. He believes in
the Constitution, he believes in freedom, an opportunity. He believes
in free debate and conversations and so forth. Is you

(02:41):
may not agree with everything, Charlie Kirk says, but how
is it he's so offensive? Notin thing myself? How about
those people at that restaurant? What kind of restaurant was
this that was so offensive?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Were was it a restaurant where they're serving you know,
grilled people. You know I'm joking, of course, because that's
not what I'm just saying. What is it that drives you?
Or there's somebody at church, you know, in a town
and you're like, I don't think you have to necessarily
agree theologically with every church out there, But what makes

(03:11):
any church that is worshiping Christ and worshiping God? What
makes that so offensive that you want to kill them?
If you don't like them, then stand on the parking
lot when they come out, ask them why are you
going to church? I don't like this church doesn't have
a conversation. I'm not saying that's polite. That's kind of
rude and stupid, but it's not insanely violent and disgusting.

(03:32):
And so I just don't understand. So I just I'm
trying to figure out, Why does someone show up and
shoot people at a restaurant. I'm thinking myself, maybe he
went to the same restaurant and the food he had
wasn't properly salted, so now he's angry at the restaurant,
you know. Or what was that a few weeks ago
up in Minnesota, some transgender nut goes and shoots Catholics.
It was a school he went to, and I'm assuming

(03:54):
that something about the moral values of Catholics offends him,
so he's gonna go kill a bunch of little kids.
And I'm thinking to myself, wow, you know, I mean,
it's it's kind of like the same thing at this,
you know, the church in Michigan, the Church or Jesus Christ,
Plotty Saints. Maybe he was offended by their values, and
I'm thinking to myself, Christians in general have often have

(04:15):
very similar values. You know, they believe in the Bible,
they believe in Christ. Of course, they believe in the
commandments that God has given and that we have some
obligation to try to follow God. And if that's offensive,
it's like why does that? Don't let it bother you.
It's their business. They're not able to impose their religious
views on you. They just hold those values for themselves

(04:36):
and they practice them, and why does that bother you?
You know, it's just kind of like, I don't get it,
and so it's just you're right. It's just very weird
that we have all this going on now, because I'm
thinking to myself, if somebody were, for example, to show
up at a Jewish church, you and I would oppose
that as well, and neither of us are Jewish. If
someone went to a Muslim church and just started gunning
Muslims down in the parking lot because they decide they

(04:57):
don't like Muslims and be like, Okay, I understand you
may religious differences with them, but why are we killing people.
It's very frustrating to me that we kind of live
in a world where there's these nuts, and yet if
we have a political debate, it's Trump that's the big problem.
It's conservatives, it's Ted Cruz, it's you know, you name it, whoever.

(05:17):
The conservatives aren't they're the problem. I'm thinking to myself,
how many people has Donald Trump, for example, shot Ted Cruz?
Have they ever advocated violence? And the answer is, of
course not, they have not. And it's interesting because Kamala
Harris the other day, literally on Saturday, talked about how
the left needed to fight fire with fire. So apparently

(05:41):
the guy in Michigan was listening and set a church
on fire because he was going to follow Kamala Harris's advice.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
George is such a shame. You know, people gather on
a Saturday night at a restaurant looking to have a
good time. People going to church to honor and worship
their God in Jesus Christ, and they're they're they're murdered
for being where they are at the time. And they
both had two things in common, although different, very very

(06:12):
different settings, one in restaurant in North Carolina, the other
church in Michigan. The one thing that they had in
common is that these were totally defenseless people. And once
again I.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Think it shows anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
They weren't doing anything wrong, they were they weren't doing
anything wrong, but they were not able to defend themselves.
And it just goes to show in a time of need,
police are not going to be there to defend you.
Police will only be there to mop up what happens.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Are we going to have to be armed when we
go to church? Are we going to have to be
armed when we go out for Saturday night. Our church
is going to have to have armed guards there. Our
restaurant's going to have to have arm guards. You know, Georgia, many.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Years ago, do you have to bring guns to protect yourself?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
It's like, wow, this is crazy, George, many many years ago,
I went to Egypt and actually on our the tour
bus that were on, we had an armed guard. And
then we were on a river cruise down the Nile
River and there were armed guards there. And why were
the armed guards there? Well, many years ago they had
an attack on a bus load of tourists. Tourism is

(07:29):
a very big industry in Egypt, so the the tourist
government created something called the Tourist Police. And if you
go there on a tour and in Egypt, you're guarded
all the time. And you know what, it works because
there was this one and only attack on tourists and
hasn't happened since. But these church attacks, these restaurant attacks, uh,

(07:53):
these attacks on innocent, unsuspecting, unarmed people are happening all
over the place all the time. So is it to
the point now we're going to need to have guards
when you go to church. We're going to have to
have guards when we go to movies, going to have guard,
have to have guards when we go to a restaurant.

(08:14):
The other thing, these snow gun zones, George, are making
people vulnerable to dangerous attacks like this. To these medmen,
why do they do it? They know they can get
away with it because there's no not going to be
anybody there to challenge them.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, no, you're exactly right. I think there's been some
evidence of that when you study mass shootings that they
are almost always done in places where you would expect
there not to be people with guns. Because when there
are people there with guns, the mass shooter. The problem
then of is, you know, if you're go into a
crowd with Let's say you go into a crowd and

(08:51):
seven percent of them have guns, so and there's one
hundred of them, so I mean there's seven people have guns,
but you don't know which ones they are, and you
walk in the middle of and start shooting at people,
you'll get shot in the back and stopped because there'll
be someone in the group, obviously quite a few that
could stop you. So if you want to do that,
you'd say like, yeah, I'm not going to go to
a place where people could have guns, because you know,

(09:14):
generally speaking, these guys aren't looking to die themselves, they
are looking to kill a lot of people. And so
I just very you know, they show up to a church,
they kill a bunch of little kids. You're pretty sure
when you show up at a Catholic school or to
a Catholic mass adjacent to a school, that no one's
there's going to have guns. You show up to a
church in Michigan, church there, you go to a restaurant,

(09:37):
same thing. So it's just like these people are showing
up to places where they're sure that they have the
upper hand.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Georgia, I know that you are a Mormon. You are
a member of the of Jesus Christ the Latter Days Saints.
Talk with me about the Mormon community. A lot of
people say, you, oh, Mormons, they're not Christians. What are Mormons? George,
please correct that.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, we definitely are Christian because the name of the
church is actually the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
day Saints. And we believe in Jesus Christ. We believe
he's the son of God. We believe he's our savior,
our redeemer, we believe that he lived a perfect life,
and because of his perfect life, he was able to
voluntarily agree to die for our sins and to suffer

(10:19):
for us, and then to be resurrected on the third
morning after his crucifixion at Sunday morning and wake up,
and you know, people go down to his tomb and
it's empty, not because his body was stolen, because he
was resurrected. And you know, I think that's kind of
what you would call very traditional Christian belief. And I

(10:41):
understand that every religion has some variations on things. You know,
an example might be baptism. Most Christian denominations believe in baptism,
but every denomination probably has a slightly different way of
doing it. That's not something over which I'm going to
suggest that, Well, if you don't do it the way
I think you should do it, then you're not a Christian.
It's like, my view would just be anybody who says

(11:02):
they believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
and the savior of mankind, that strikes me that they
are a Christian.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Well, George, the way you describe it would be the
very much the way I would describe what a christ
what a Catholic Christian is. And I would think if
you would ask somebody who is Baptist or somebody whose Methodists,
they'd probably say pretty much the same thing. And again,
these these shootings, these shootings do not seem to target

(11:32):
any particular religion, be it Methodist, be it Catholic, be
it Mormon. It just seems like they're attacking Christianity and
Judy is. You know, we've seen situations in Jewish temples,
these horrible situations take place in Jewish temples. It seems

(11:55):
like it's a hatred of religion.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
George, Yeah, well, I think part of it has to
do with the fact that the left is very what
you would call everything is relative, what I call moral relativity.
Whereas if you're a Christian or if you're a Jew,
you believe that God determines what's right and wrong, not you,
and truth is determined by a higher authority than you,

(12:19):
and you can of course agree to believe that truth
or not believe that truth. But the point is, you
ask the average Christian what's your truth, they'd look at you,
what do you mean, what's my truth? You know, they're
the same thing with the average Jew. They'd say truth
is truth. It's not my truth, not your truth, it's truth.
But I think that's a part of the problem is
is that I think that the extreme left sees more

(12:42):
the idea that morality is already defined and that moral
relativism is okay. They're offended Church.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
I think two things are apparent, the golden real do
as you do to others as you would have to
unto you. That be number one. Number two, the the
little agreement of agreed to disagree. Those two things have
also gone out the win to George, why don't you
pour the warreile of the bottle? How do you get
it back in? I mean, I just don't see an

(13:12):
end to this, except that I think people have to
really start thinking about protecting themselves no matter where they go,
or have the ability to protect oneself wherever you go.
And then the other problem is government. There are certain governments,
there are certain states that will not allow you to
protect yourself. There are certain states that will not allow

(13:35):
you to have a gun or even carry a gun.
All right, So there is a real problem, George, and
I think there is going to have to be many, many,
many more of attacks like this before governors before state
legislatures are going to say, look, we can't protect these people.
They must have the right to protect themselves.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, you're right, all right, George.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
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Speaker 1 (17:15):
Welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commanders with George
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our rumble feet. So, George, we got a complet great
guests joining us today. Would you please tell us about.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm happy to do that, but I just want to
make it clear you shouldn't be acting like that's some
sort of a news headline, like, oh, they have great guests.
It's like no, that's every time. It's like, you know,
it's like the sun rising in the east. We always
have great guests, and today is no different. We've got
Tom del Bacaro, who's a frequent Forbes and Fox News contributor.

(18:31):
He's the former chairman of the Republican Party in California
and a former US Senate candidate from California. And he's
the founder of a new organization called Californians for Election Fairness.
They're of course opposing what Gavin Newsom is trying to do,
and so you know that'll be very good. He's also

(18:52):
the author of The Divided Era and also another recent
book entitled The Lessons of the American Civilization, and he
has a entitled Politics in Perspective. So I think it'll
be a very interesting conversation to him because we're going
to talk about Gavin Newsom's Proposition fifty and his attempt
to essentially further jerrymander California because it's already pretty heavily jerrymandered.

(19:16):
California now has well less than half the number of
Congressmen that are Republican than it has in terms of
the percentage of Californians that are Republican, so he wants
to make it even worse. So it should be an
interestant conversation. And then we've got Ronald Kessler, and he's
a former Washington Post and Wall Street Journal investigative reporter.

(19:37):
And Ronald is one of the nation's top investigative journalists.
And you get that, actually that status from Fox and Friends,
where they declared that's who he was. I thought to myself,
that's correct. He's also a New York Times bestselling author.
He wrote, for example, a book entitled The Trump White House,
Changing the Rules of the Game. And then he also

(19:59):
wrote The Secrets of the FBI. And he's written roughly
two dozen books, most of which are on the CIA,
the FBI, and the Secret Service. And so I thought
we might talk with him a little bit about two
of his more recent articles. One is on the James
Comy indictment and how he weaponized the FBI. And then
we also talk with them a little bit about some

(20:21):
global warming issues, because the left seems to want to
run that down our throat sideways, even there's not much
evidence of to support their goals. So it should be
very interesting conversations.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Indeed, indeed, indeed always great guests here on the Conservative commanders.
So George, let's talk about the hypocrisy of the left.
It seems like every time the left opens their mouths,
they're talking about oh piece kumbayamba, those lousy, stinking Republicans,
those mega Nazis, those Hitler likes, those mega Trump horrible people.

(20:57):
But yet yet they just say, oh, we've got it,
We've got to work together. And but they to say
they're the only ones that couldn't bring everyone together. George,
how can you can you bring anybody together when you're
always demonizing them?

Speaker 2 (21:11):
No, you make a very good point. An example be
hillar or Clinton, who recently tweeted that white Christian men
are causing such damage in the US, and then she
also tweeted, we have got to stop demonizing each other.
We've got to stop with the finger pointing and scapegoating
and think myself, Okay, so which statement is the one
you believe because the two are in direct conflict with

(21:32):
each other. And then Joe Biden did the same thing
one time back when he was running for president in
twenty twenty. He claimed, we need a president who will
always choose to unite rather than divide, because there's nothing
we can't accomplish if we do it together. And then
once he was president, guess what he said, the only
garbage I see floating out there is Trump's supporters. I said, yeah,

(21:56):
that's very unifying. I appreciate that, very very unifying. So
it's kind of like, what is it about the left
that makes them so stupid that they can't realize that
they sound like just ridiculous hypocrites. An example like if
you and I were talking about, you know, violence against
religious people, and then you know, later in the show,

(22:17):
said let's go round up and let's go do this
and let's go kill these people and stuff, it'd be
like people go like, wait a minute, which they just
condemned that, now they're acting like they're for it. Well,
we don't do that because we're not insane. We actually
are consistent and we're driven by the values we hold.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
George, you have been around politics all your life. Where
where did this this vitual? This vitual? I mean, there's
probably always been vitrial in politics, but has there ever
been vitual in politics in life, in American life the
way it is now? And where do you see that
genesis of this this new vitual coming from? Because I'll

(22:59):
be honest with you, I link it to well, you know,
I say that Barack Obama was the greatest divider that
we've ever had. You know that he divided the country
left and right, black and white, male and female, homosexual, heterosexual.
But I think it really goes back to the Clinton administration.

(23:20):
You know that you had that James Carvell, the guy
that kind of looks like a servant, you know, he
he's I almost believe that he was the start of
this vitual, and ever since then, any Democrat that's come
along is doubled down on the things that James Carvel
talked about. I mean, how did you see it?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, I think you're right about that. It's been going
on for a while and it's gotten worse and worse.
I think it was certainly amped up a great deal
during the Obama years. But I think part of it
governs back to what I was mentioning hear about the
moral relativism of the left, because an example would be
you and I believe there's you know, certain standards, certain
things that are real and that we don't get to

(24:04):
just ignore them and pretend they don't exist. But the
left does think that, and that's why they're willing, for example,
the one hand, to say, oh, we need to be united.
We did this, and then later you know say, oh,
I hate the garbage out there. My opponents are all garbage,
they're all fascists. I hate them, and you know, and
Hillary Clinton doing the same kind of stuff. Because when
you're a moral relativist, you're allowed to say whatever it

(24:25):
is you want to say because it's okay and it
makes sense, and to you it makes sense because it's
kind of like the left likes talk about my truth.
It's like, that doesn't even make sense to me, the
idea of your truth. How about just truth? Like if
someone says what's my truth, and I go, my truth
is that five plus five is fifty five. That's the

(24:46):
same thing as saying, yeah, I'm really bad at math
and I'm kind of stupid.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But see George. Then then if you challenge the five
to five equals fifty five, then you become a hater
because you're challenging. You're challenging something I think that's obviously wrong.
And we could say, talk about the about homosexuality, we
could talk about men and women's locker rooms, we could

(25:10):
talk about everything the left is standing for, and just
by pointing it out, pointing out the obvious, then were
demonize his haters.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
No, you're exactly right. I mean, that's that's for example,
I think why that transgender guy wanted to kill Charlie
Kirk because Charlie Kirk stood up for Christian values, and
so he was upset with him because like he's doing
a very good job of standing up for those values
I hate. I got to stop them. It's just like,
you know, if there are people out there that certainly

(25:45):
stand up for values that you and I don't subscribe to.
You know, an example would Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden
the ones that they were, you know, in different people
who say just insanely idiotic things. But we've never once
suggested the solution that violence, And so I think what
does that get to. It's that we're not moral relativists.
In our mind, certain things are just wrong and you

(26:07):
can't make excuses for why you did it, you know
what I mean, And so we're not willing to kind
of I disagree with him, so we should probably just
kill him. It's like, what, that's just nuts, and it's
also immoral, and the left is very happy with immorality,
and so it's time people start recognizing that. And that's
why they're so willing to lie to you about what

(26:27):
they stand for and stuff like that. That's why you know,
who is it that always runs claiming to be moderate
and then they turn out not to be moderate. That's
always the left because truth doesn't matter to them, because
moral relatives. Them says, I get to lie to you
about what I'm gonna do. I get to tell you
I'll be this or that, and I don't have to
do it because it's okay for me to do that.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Indeed, indeed, but I still say I you know, when
you look back, okay, when you look back to the days,
you can go back to Lyndon Baines Johnson being a
Democrat in the White House, you didn't have this ugly vitual.
Then you had the years of Ronald Rankan, and certainly

(27:12):
he didn't start the vitual. And then you had Jimmy
Carter and he didn't start the vitriol. But after that
you had the Clintons. You had the Clintons, and I
really do think that the Clintons with their advisors, with
people like James Carvell, that really really started this vitual.
And it's been picked up by every every Democrat administration

(27:35):
since that time, they love to demonize. They don't have
any ideas of their own, George. They really have no
ideas of their own except really bad ideas or ideas.
Like we mentioned women and men.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
To accept boys in their locker room. Yeah, and if
you're hateful.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
And there's no marriage, and if you're married, there's something
wrong with you. But if you're if you're if you're
day oh you're you're wonderful. You need to be celebrated.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
You know, if you go to church on Sunday and
go to work on Monday, you're a bad American. You're
probably a fascist.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
You're part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that's the leftist kooks out there. It's like, I'm sorry,
But because it used to be that both parties, I
think the mainstream of both parties at one time in
America went to church on Sunday and went to work
on Monday. Now it's a sign that you're bad.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's a sign that you're a loser because you're you're
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Speaker 2 (31:58):
Welcome back to the Conservative Command. I'm glad you stuck
around because we had the very best guests on TV
and radio, and we have Tom del Balcaro here to
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News contributor. He's also the former chairman of the California
Republican Party and a former candidate for the US Senate
seat in California, and more recently, now he is the

(32:21):
founder and chairman of Californians for Election Fairness. He's also
the author of the Divided Era, How We Got here
and the Keys to America's Reconciliation. And his latest book
is also an excellent book worth reading, and that is
the Lessons of the American Civilization. And he has a
great podcast called Politics in Perspective. It's going to say,

(32:44):
you know, Tom, if someone else, like say Kamala Harris,
we're going to start a podcast, I'd recommend she call
hers politics in No Perspective.

Speaker 8 (32:54):
There you go, did you like?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Did you?

Speaker 8 (32:56):
I know, you rushed down and got her book, that
her tell All, which is really going to wind up
being her end All.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah, that's for sure, that is for sure. But I
thought maybe we should talk about what you're doing with
Californians for fair elections, because Gavin Newsom, of course would
like to make them less fair. And maybe I should
just point out that I think roughly forty percent of
California is Republican, and yet they have only seventeen percent

(33:25):
of the House seats. So it seemed to me they've
already fairly, if you will, done a fairly good job
of germandering, meaning that they've reduced by more than half
what you'd expected to have if the seats were created
without political consequences, but just based on making sure you
had equal representation. So I wanted to ask you what's

(33:45):
going on, because apparently getting that kind of germandering done
isn't good enough for Gavin Newsom. It needs to be more.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
Gavin the great protector of our democracy. Yet, so over
a decade ago, Californians passed a constitutional amendmenting the drawing
of lines in the hands of a quote independent commission.
Now in California, independent means lean Democrat on these type
of things, but nevertheless they draw the lines. And that's

(34:15):
where we are. So Gavin Newson, who's running for president,
and you and I both know he's going to declare
for president in December of twenty twenty six, right after
the midterms. He is running for president, and therefore to
get to the top of the heap, he has to
prove to Democrats that he's a fighter. And you got

(34:36):
to give him credit, George. He has placed himself as
the foil for Republican. He's out in front all the time.
He's the guy you hear from and he's actually at
the top of several polls among Democrats as to who
should be the nominee. So this is his effort to
fight for Democrats, and what he's doing is the most

(34:59):
blatant political thing I've ever seen when it comes to
quote constitutional amendments. It's a temporary amendment. It only lasts
for three elections, if you trust Newsome.

Speaker 9 (35:11):
Hello, And what it does is create these maps that
are really tortured and very gerrymanderd to pick up five.

Speaker 8 (35:24):
More Democrat seats. And so what I've done with others
is create what is Californians for Election Fairness, which is
opposing Prop fifty but will also help push the voter
idea initiative in California. So your listeners, and I know
you have many in California, can just go to Election

(35:47):
Fairness dot com and sign up with us and help
us in this push to defeat this. Now this look
the balloce drop. In two weeks, you have voting. You
can start. Voting day is November seventh, and there's a
lot of Californians who don't realize that it's happening on
November seventh, and so we're out there. Our push starts,

(36:10):
our big push starts on Monday. So today, So I'm
glad you had me on to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah, it's kind of amazing to me because I'm not
a big fan of gerimandering. But I understand that our
founders probably were smartenough to recognize that since they gave
state legislatures the power to do it, that there would
be some political impact on it. But the goal was,
of course, to create a system that was reflected the
population's will, not trying to dilute it, and so gerimandering.

(36:39):
If you have a system that's reasonably fair, it may
not be that it's perfectly reflective down to the last
percentage of what the voters are at, but when it
starts getting off by a factor of one hundred percent
or more, then you know someone's cheating. And Gavin Newsom
wants it to be at two or three hundred percent.
And there's so many states like that like he acts
like somehow Texas is a big problem. I think myself.

(37:01):
There's over nine states that have zero Republican members of Congress,
but yet they still have somewhere between thirty five and
forty five percent Republicans in their state. So they basically
are making sure that somewhere between the third and forty
five percent of the voters are not represented in Congress,
and so he acts like somehow he's doing something fair

(37:24):
to prevent what you know, Texas may be doing. But
I just kind of scratch my head and say, very interesting.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
Yeah, the truth doesn't really invade the Democratic nominee process
these days. They get to say just about anything they want.
You know, on this issue of jerry mannering, which has
been around for two hundred years, right, there's about nineteen
reliable booth states, twenty six or more reliable red states.

(37:56):
The Democrat states are largely jerry mannered. You can go,
and they're not going to gain much more if they
continue this process. The Red states have a good deal
farther to go, and the Democrats know this. But Gavin
Newsom's about the moment who cares that California is in
terrible condition and his policies are an abject failure. Number

(38:20):
one in poverty, worst unemployment, last in affordability, last in
urbit opportunity, terrible crime stats.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Low on education.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
You know, whther than that, it's doing pretty good, George,
I don't know why you're a critic, but this is
their effort, and we at Election Fairness dot Com are
going to make our effort to get voters out to
defeat Prop fifty.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, because, after all,
you're for election. Fairness shouldn't be controversial.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
But yes, and we're not.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
Like, look, I get it right, You and I both
get Jerrymanderin. It goes to party. You know, this isn't
actually gonna help Californias because if you elected more Liberals
to Washington, would that help with crime in California people
who are lean towards defund Yeah, result in more employment, No, George.

(39:21):
What actually happened is it would rush more people out
of the state to look for jobs elsewhere, and unemployment
would grow. So this is just sort of common sense.
But when it comes to Gavenuwsom that's in short supplies.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Oh yeah, very yeah. I mean he cracks me up
because I think to myself, I know, he thinks he's
a really awesome candidate and so forth. But I'm just
thinking to myself. I mean, I used to live in California,
and I'm thinking to myself, people are moving out of California.
My oldest daughter was born in California, and I'm thinking myself,
why are people moving out of California when I was there?

(39:58):
The weather was amazing and wonderful, beautiful. Is this in
the eighteen hundreds, now one was that wasn't eighteen hundreds.
It was in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties.

Speaker 8 (40:09):
It was a good time.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, And I was there for about two or three years.
The bottom line is it was a wonderful place to live.
It was great. And then you know, I don't recall
that crime was a big, huge problem. I don't recall
that unemployment. I mean it was you know, it was
a state that was kind of like, you know, a
hallmark of success and things like that. And now all

(40:32):
of a sudden it's sliden into point where Gavin Newsom
has basically been pile driving it constantly. And then think myself,
who would want to elect him to do to America
what he did to California and make it so that
because it used to be everyone's moving to California and
that it was every year they were growing and growing
and growing, and now people are leaving. And it's just

(40:54):
amazing to me that people look and say, oh, yeah,
he'd be a good candidate. I'm thinking myself might be
worse than Kamala Harris because she probably had less demonstrable
evidence of destruction than he does. I'm not saying I.

Speaker 8 (41:09):
Was wondering how you were putting in the plus column
for George Lander is overwhelming endorsement of Kamala Harris. She
has less demonstrable harm. That's quite this the category.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Well, yeah, because she wasn't governor of an awesome state,
and she wasn't and while the pre while she was
vice president, the country was very much damaged. I'm not
sure I can blame her entirely for that. I would
say a lot of that has to be laid at
Joe Biden's feet. But so I'm not trying to endorse her.
I'm just saying she didn't do well in a presidential

(41:43):
election because people were like not interested in that, And
I think myself the problem is is that he has
a very clear track record of destruction because he took
a state that was the leading economic and there's so
many other characteristics as a state, and he basic is
just destroying it. And it's really sad because I'm not

(42:04):
happy to see that happen. It's like, wait a minute,
why would.

Speaker 8 (42:08):
We do that? Yeah, in the name of social justice?
And over my shoulder, my book the divided era, talks
about the divided media. And so if you talk to
those in California on the left, and there's a lot
of them, they don't hear these things. They don't know
that they're number one in poverty. They listen to miss NBC.

(42:28):
They're going to.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Tell you the truth.

Speaker 8 (42:30):
No, so Pop fifty's bad for California and Newsom would
be horrible for the country. My podcast Politics in Perspective,
I had Carlo Marinucci, a longtime reporter in California, covered
Newsom since he was a traffic commissioner. Believe it or not,

(42:51):
he started out as a traffic commissioner. And she thinks
that he's unelectable on the national stage. You know, she's
a Democrat, retired from journalism, but she thinks he's unelectable
for the reasons you describe, bad track record and too

(43:12):
far left. So we'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No, I agree with you there, and I hope that
the Californians are prepared to go to the polls and
support the concept of election fairness. I think you're very
very wise to start a group to promote that because
it's not as if this is I mean, I think
most Americans want election fairness. I'm not suggesting that's not
what they want. I'm just saying they don't necessarily know

(43:38):
exactly what's going on, and if they're watching MSNBC, then
they may think that Gavin Newsom is promoting election fairness,
and yet of course he's not. So I think what
you're doing is very important because I think truth helps
people make good decisions. Falsehood does not help them make
good decisions. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
Absolutely, not like Kamala's book. I had a piece out
in Fox this week about Kamala's five five major career errors,
and one of them is putting out a book a
tell all, instead of here's the path going forward, right,
here's my vision for America, here's my policies that are

(44:24):
better than Trump's, or whatever she wanted to say. Instead
she just did this looking back thing and sniping at
fellow Democrats. So I think she's reached the end of
her career. Politically, I don't think people are going to
trust her as a nominee, and I think the race

(44:45):
will be wide open, and which is why Newsom has
one of the reason why Newsom is quite possibly could
be their nominee. But I think he's a hard sell
in Like take what's going on in New Jersey right
now where you saw the poll where the Republican and
the Democrat are now tied. Because people, it's this common

(45:06):
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the Charlie Kirk effect, you have the Trump effect, a
lot of things going on.

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Absolutely, that's a good place for us to take a
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Speaker 2 (49:02):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. We're glad you're here,
and as you know, we always have the best guests,
and Tom del Bacaro is here proving that yet again
that we have the very best guest on TV and radio.
And we've been talking to him. He has a very
impressive resume, but maybe the most recent part of his
resume is what we've been talking about, which is Californians

(49:23):
for Election Fairness, a group that he's founded in chairs
trying to make sure that Gavin Newsom doesn't wreck election
fairness in California. Like he has the economics, the crime, education,
and everything else that he's touched, he kind of has
what I would call the reverse King Midas effect. King Midas,
everything he touched turned to gold. Gavin Newsom everything he

(49:45):
touches seems to turn to garbage at any rate. So
I wanted to you know, one thing I was going
to ask you because in the last segment you mentioned
the Charlie Kirk effect, and I was going to ask
you one. Obviously, that was a tragic assassination, was a
really amazing memorial service. And I also thought, you know,
get your thoughts on those two things, and then perhaps

(50:08):
how long do you think that Charlie Kirk effect is?
Is it a weekend or does it actually motivate people
for an extended period of time and perhaps change people's
minds so that they become more engaged Americans when it
comes to things like freedom and opportunity and a belief
that God actually is a fan and the creator of freedom.

Speaker 8 (50:34):
Yeah, there's a lot to talk about there. First of all,
my immediate reaction was, I'm like, God, this is just
a young man. How could this happen to a young man?
And it's quite a statement, is to where the Democrat
Party is. I wrote a piece in sub Stack. You
can get my account there or at tom Dale dot
com about how the Democrats have become the party of

(50:55):
protest they don't. Actually, they're not good at policymaking or
being in office. We talked about Newsom, you talked, we
can talk about Biden's policies and their actual effects. Instead,
they protest everything at this stage, everything Trump does. They
don't really have something. Therefore they're just against all the time,

(51:16):
and those parties don't do well. In the sixties, the
Democrats were protesters and the result of that was Republicans
dominated the White House. You could be seeing that same
phenomenon again here because they're protesting and it's getting more

(51:37):
beyond protesting now it's extreme violence. And this, oh, both
sides does it? It doesn't. Americans aren't so ignorant that
they actually believe that. So that's about the Democrats, the
Charlie Kirk effect. You and I are old enough to
remember when there was a phrase about Nixon's silent majority.

(52:00):
What Nixon contended is there could be all those protesters
out there and the media, but Americans at their heart
were more traditional majority, so his silent majority. And what
I've been saying is that the Charlie Kirk effect is
the silent morality that in fact Americans have the majority

(52:24):
of Americans still have that goodness in their heart, and
that's what we find today out there. This silent morality
has now been motivated to realize. And when you combine
to realize their aspirations and their traditional values, and then

(52:46):
you match that with the breaking of wocism and Trump
making conservatism acceptable again, you marry these things together and
I think you get a rush of enthusiasm that you
and I probably couldn't have predicted. You know, eight nine
years ago. You know, you and I have been talking

(53:08):
to them how many years, but we were kind of
discouraged there for a while, right you were feeling this
cultural turn that was so bad. So the answer as
to how long this could be it could be very significant.
When you consider how the Democrats are shooting themselves in
the foot. I'm not sure that's the right analogies given

(53:30):
their violence, but it is a reality. And then you
have this push or this revival in enthusiasm, and then
of course these values again the silent morality which isn't
becoming so silent anymore. And so I think this is

(53:51):
in for a six an extended run. Politics is about
what they offer and what we offer, or the two
saw and right now that it's not comparable. There is protests,
opposition and violence and excuses for allowing crimes to go on,

(54:13):
and there is this hope I mean, you know, I
mean to get too religious here, but in the message
of Jesus Christ is all about hope and the future
I mean, and it was also he was very revolutionary
for his time, right He the metaphor of kicking over

(54:38):
the money changer's table applies to many revolutionaries in history, right,
and Trump is kicking over the table to a degree.
But at its core Christ's vision is that there is
a better place and just this that follow me, and

(55:05):
there is the ultimate and hope. Right And so what
does the left present right now? And what does the
Charlie Kirk effect present? And also Georgia I'll stop, But
another super important aspect of what comes out of this

(55:29):
entire thing is realizing that the American experiment with freedom
ennobles the person. And so when Trump trumpets the individual
versus the state, it is far more noble.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Right.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
Why do people come to the United States, Why do
so many of Latinos come here and start businesses because
they want that opportunity which is ennobling, to continue to
have a say in your own future. Yea, All these
things coming together are creating a river that is rushing

(56:09):
in one direction, and right now it's away from the Democrats.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah. No, you make a very good point, because if
America were such a worthless country, in a racist, hateful country,
the way many Democrats claim that it is, then we
probably should not allow people of color to come here,
because why would you want to let them come to
a place that's going to hate them and mistreat them.
And of course the answer is that's just a lie.
You know, people come to America and they what do

(56:35):
they get? Freedom and opportunity, And that's something that's very
valuable and very rare in the world today, increasingly rare, sadly.
But anyhow, I thought I might ask you just real
quickly because we're talking about some of the craziness of
the left. And another example that was the Senator from Virginia,
Tim Kaine, argued that God given rights are offensive and

(56:56):
dangerous and that they remind him of the Iranian regime.
That is a theocracy. I think to myself, Okay, so
saying that God gives you rights that we cannot take away,
but we have an obligation to protect that's the same
as saying God gave me the power to rule over you,

(57:17):
to oppress you, and to kill you, because that's what
the Iranian leaders say. Now, I don't believe that's true.
Of course, I'm not gonna God would not obviously do that.
They don't work for God, they work for Satan. But
that's what they say. And Tim Kaine is stupid enough
to confuse the two and act like, yeah, that's the
same thing. And I think myself, a sixth grader could

(57:38):
tell the difference between those. So Tim Kaine, a US
Senator and a former Virginia governor, is less intelligent than
a sixth grader. So I just want to get your
comments on that.

Speaker 8 (57:49):
Okay, So, first of all, objection leading. I have a
hard time deciding is he that uneducated or that's cynical,
because I get the uneducated because we're not teaching our
kids our history and our inalienable rights and who endowed them, right.

(58:10):
I mean, it's not like it's an unimportant it's not
like it's you know, the Federal's Papers nineteen where you
might not know it halfway down, you know whatever. No,
it's right there, right, But I think it's ultimately cynical.
First of all, it is what did you say, idiotic
or stupid? He says that government gives us rights. Well,

(58:34):
government is an inanimate object.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well would tell you, yeah, but no, people do.

Speaker 8 (58:43):
Create government, and government has done then there are laws,
So government itself doesn't spontaneously do something. So then so
the real question is does it come from man, our rights,
or does it, as ours believe, come from God. Well,

(59:04):
if it comes from man, then it's simply an expression
of power. Mankind womenkind do things as they relate to others,
and there is this power structure involved with it. So
is that where freedom comes from. That's not really logical.
That just means you are a subject to someone else's power.

(59:28):
The whole point of the American experiment was to turn
all of Western history and beyond. And I talk about
this in my book The Lessons of the American Civilization. Right,
the kings had divine rights, we had nothing. The American
experiment said, oh, no, each person is endowed with rights

(59:50):
and freedoms from God, not just one lineage, which didn't
really make sense anyway, one lineage. When the different lineage
came along, they clean the same thing. No, intellectually, the
only sense that can be made of freedom is that
it is granted to us all, and the only capable

(01:00:14):
person of doing that is person in the metaphorical sense,
is a god. You can't get it from one or
a set of people. So Tim Kaine is either incredibly cynical,
completely uneducated, or stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Or D or C no D all of the above. Yeah,
that's a fair point. Well, in our last couple of minutes,
I wanted to ask you to tell folks how they can,
for example, support Californians for Election Fairness, how they can
get your book A Divided Era, or your book The

(01:00:54):
Lessons of the American Civilization, or how they can watch
your podcast get perspective. So take some time to give
us all that information.

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
Well, the best thing they can do to help Stopgavenusrom's
ambitions big and small is go to election Fairness dot com.
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Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos. I'm glad you stuck
around because we always have the very best guests on
TV and there eight and we've got Ronald Kessler here
to prove that that's the case. He is a former
Washington Post and Wall Street Journal investigative reporter, and he
is one of the nation's top investigative journalists, according to

(01:05:39):
Fox and Friends. They've said that about him, and I
have to agree. He is a very, very capable journalist,
and he is a good investigator. He's also a friend
of liberty and our constitution and facts matter to him.
And so that's nice to see because sometimes we've gotten
use in recent years where some people in the media

(01:06:01):
seem to be more about propaganda. But that's not who
Ronald Kessler is. He's about what's the truth, what's been happening.
He's also a New York Times best selling author of
The Trump White House, Changing the Rules of the Game
and the secrets of the FBI. And he's also written
I think well more than a dozen, perhaps about two

(01:06:22):
dozen other books that are many of them are about
the CIA, the FBI, and the Secret Service. And so
he's done lots of research and written a lot of
interesting books and he's always a great source. So Ron,
we're really glad to have you here today.

Speaker 10 (01:06:35):
Thank you, and thank you for that great introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I wanted to ask you about, you know, the current
FBI is trying to go back and see what's been
going on at the FBI that has kind of, you know,
seen fuel the weaponization and politicalization of the FBI, and
then some people are acting like it's just being political itself.
And so I want to ask you if you've got

(01:07:00):
any information and resource in that, because I did read
an article that you had written on that night that
thought it was very interesting and very insightful.

Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
Well, the incredible thing is that what I wrote about
in that article, which appeared in the Washington Times, was
the real, most scandalous thing the FBI did under Komy,
And somehow this is ignored all around, and yet it's
the real facts, and the real facts are in the

(01:07:32):
book written by Andrew McCabe, who was Deputy FBI Director
and acting FBI Director at the time all this happened.
And in his book he explains why he opened the
investigation into Trump, not the one into the campaign and

(01:07:54):
whether Russia is influencing, but actually targeted Trump in a
counterintelligence investigation. And he writes in the book that he
also convinced the Attorney General to appoint a special counsel
to investigate Trump. And what was the basis. The basis
is right in black and white in his book, which

(01:08:16):
is that Trump appeared on Lester Hold and he said,
when I looked into this, I thought about the Russia.
I thought about the Russia thing. It was sort of
confusing when I decided to close down this U not

(01:08:38):
closed down, but when I looked into it. And then
Trump went on to say, but I knew that, you know,
if I fired call me, uh, it would just prolong
the whole investigation. And I wanted I wanted to be
done thoroughly. Well, where did that appear in the Game's book.
Nowhere he admitted the countervailing truth to support the idea

(01:09:07):
that he should have opened this investigation. So the whole
thing is a fraud, and it's right there in his
book and nobody picks it up. It's the crazy, craziest thing.
But it's not the first time I've uncovered things that
were crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah. One of the things that I thought was kind
of interesting was the you know, the Russian collusion kind
of thing. The FBI knew that that was something that
came from the Hillary Clinton campaign, and yet they pretended
and they told courts that it was credible and real
and blah blah blah. And I'm thinking to myself, but

(01:09:43):
Trump looking into that and the current FBI looking into
why the FBI would do that, is somehow supposed to
be politicizing the FBI. And I think myself, I think
the previous thing is politicizing the FBI. You know, It's
kind of like if a if a judge, for example,
is taking to decide cases, that's criminal. And so if

(01:10:04):
a subsequent administration were to look into the judges behavior
and found that it was accepting cash payments to render
certain decisions, that's not the attempt to violate the separation
of powers. It would be like, I'm sorry, that's not
the rule of law. That's not permissible, that's illegal, and
we're going to have to stop that. And so I'm
just trying to figure out if you can help us

(01:10:25):
understand what the you know, because we're just talking about craziness.
So let's talk about some more craziness.

Speaker 10 (01:10:31):
Yeah, yeah, Now, you're absolutely right. The effort to overturn
some of these things which happened because of the atmosphere
that Comy created in the FBI to go after Trump,
and it was McCabe who actually implemented these investigations, and
so far there haven't been any instances of improper conduct

(01:10:59):
by the FBI. Now know, I don't like the indictment
of Komi. I think it's very flimsy, but it'll be
up to the judges and the courts to decide.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
That fair enough, and I haven't gone through to read
the indictment, it does seem that somewhat Kobe did was
kind of interesting, and since the very atypical how they
used certain attempts, I think it was with General Flynn, right,
and they just it seems like they were trying to

(01:11:35):
set up the administration. And I'm kind of troubled by that.
But I don't know if that's something you can put
him in jail. For or not, but it definitely would
suggest that he was playing politics and using the FBI
to be a political player as opposed to a law
enforcement agency. That does worry me. But I was going

(01:11:58):
to ask you to help us understand more about what's
going on people like mc cabe and and others that
were involved in some of this you know behavior. Yeah,
and hopefully we can get the FBI to get back
to being, you know, the premier law enforcement agency on
the planet. This is when I was growing up as
a kid, That's what I always thought of it as

(01:12:19):
is the FBI was, you know, one of the greatest
law enforcement agencies and stuff. But I guess there's some
history there because I think Jay Edgar Hoover had some
down moments as well.

Speaker 10 (01:12:30):
That's for sure. Yeah. Now the FBI overall is doing
a fantastic job of going after especially foreign terrorists and
foreign spies. They're doing a great job. The reason we
have not had a successful foreign terrorist attack since nine

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to eleven is the f p I. Every few months,
you see in the papers that they rolled up this
plot and that plot, And that's that's why we've been saying,
and that's certainly his most important thing to know about
the FBI today. But they definitely went down the wrong
road under Komi and very you know, embarrassing and shocking

(01:13:17):
that the FBI didn't adhere to what you thought of
as their you know, great, great traditions under Kombe.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Interesting. Well, one thing I was going to ask about
is I'm thinking, I'm a lawyer, and if I were to,
for example, go to a judge to obtain a warrant
of some sort and I or some other court order,
and I were to lie to the judge and present
him with things that I knew were false, but yet
swear to the judge under oath that they were true,

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and the judge relied upon them, and then later it
came out that I'd lie to the judge and it
was false, and so forth, not only would I be disbarred,
I would also end up serving time in jail for that.
So I'm trying to figure out where people in the
FBI doing some of that same thing, because I'm trying
to figure out why they're in the FBI doing that.
That's okay for them, but me, just as a private lawyer,

(01:14:10):
he's got to be disbarred and sent to jail.

Speaker 10 (01:14:12):
Yeah, there was a lawyer in the FBI who did
exactly what you just described, to the point that he
altered an email from the CIA, which essentially exonerated a
low level aid in the Trumpet campaign, Bupanopulus, saying that

(01:14:36):
he was actually working with the CIA and so there
was no reason to go after him, and this lawyer
changed the email. Well, he was disbarred, but just for
a year, which is I think, you know, outrageous for
doing that and totally totally corrupt. And again, I think
it's because of the atmosphere that go Me and McKay

(01:15:00):
created in the FPI, when people started to think it
was acceptable to distort the truth in order to go
after Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
What's the likelihood that someone like in mc cabe or
a Komi encouraged him to do that so that they could,
you know, pursue the things that they seem to want
to pursue. Because I'm thinking to myself, I doubt Komy
didn't know that the Russia collusion stuff. I mean, I
think he clearly knew that it was all false, and
yet he never ever acted as if that was the case,

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nor did the you know, attorney's going before the judges
signing off on things. And it's seeming to me a
cabe had would have to know about that, so would Komy,
And yet they were okay with it because it was
suiting the goals that they had or the purposes that
they had, as opposed to the law and the constitution
and the rule of law. So it kind of troubles
me that they behaved like that. But I don't know

(01:15:55):
how much of what's the what are the terms of
the indictment? Are they about those kinds of things? Are
they about other issues?

Speaker 10 (01:16:02):
Now that the incitement is very narrow and is that
he said, she said between Comy and McCabe, and whether
you know one or the other authorized some some very
minor thing. But as you alluded to before, the question
is is there any penalty for any of this? And

(01:16:23):
in almost every case there is, there is not. You know,
the fact that the McCabe opened this investigation into into
Trump based on nothing is not a criminal offense. You know,
he would have if we knew better at the time,
he should have been fired. But a lot of this

(01:16:45):
cannot be resurrected now, but it's certainly important to get
it out publicly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Yeah, So just see what happens and stuff. I think
I read somewhere where the judge that's the presider of
this case was a Biden appointed judge, and that strikes
me as probably not a good sign, because I'm not
saying that Komy shouldn't get a fair trial, but I
don't think much of Biden's appointments. They seem to be

(01:17:12):
very politically oriented, and so I'm wondering if that's all
we're going to get is politics out of this guy.
But perhaps you have a little more information on who
he is, because it may be unfair to assume that
just because he's appointed by Biden, that's who he is,
because if you appoint fifty judges, it might be that
forty nine of them are bums, but there might be
one that's actually focused on the rule of law and

(01:17:34):
what's the story behind this judge?

Speaker 10 (01:17:36):
Best Judge Boseburg, and he actually has a very good
reputation among both Republicans and Democrats, so I think he's
going to be fair.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Well. I think that's important because I believe in the
rule of law, and so I would not want a
judge who basically says I hate Komy, so I want
him convicted and I don't care what the facts are.
We're just going to get nail the guy. I'd be like,
that's not a good way to go. You have to
have a fair trial and have facts override political viewpoints.
So I hope that's what happens here. Even though I'm

(01:18:10):
not a big fan of Jim Comy, I just kind
of feel like it doesn't matter whether you like someone
or not. Everyone has a right to a fair trial.
That's why they call them any ailable rights, you know,
because they're not rights that you take away. We've got
to take a quick break here. We're run up against
the clock. But I'm very glad we've got Ron Kessler
hare because he is just a fabulous investigative reporter who

(01:18:33):
gives us great information. So don't go away, folks, We'll
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Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos, and I'm glad you
stuck around, because, like I tell you, every week, we
do have the very best guests. And Ron Kessler is
here to prove that he's done a great job in
our first segment, and we're fortunately have him around for
a second segment. And I wanted to ask Ron about
I think an important issue that's out there, and it's
about global warming, because it become very political. It ought

(01:22:01):
to be a scientific topic. It ought to be a
fact based topic. And since quite frankly, Ron is an
expert at doing research and investigative reporting, focusing on facts,
not on political angles just alone and propaganda, etc. He's
a guy that doesn't believe in propaganda. He believes in
facts and looks for him. So I want to talk

(01:22:23):
a little bit about global warming because on the one hand,
if you take the data that's out there, it does
not support the idea that man is causing radical changes
to the environment and that it's going to destroy the
earth and make it uninhabitable necessarily. I mean, obviously we
want to be careful we don't pollute, but CO two

(01:22:43):
is actually not a pollutant. Plants need CO two and
right now I'm exhaling CO two, and so are you,
and so are our viewers and listeners. And they could
be in a house or in a small room, and
if they were exhaling CO two, it wouldn't kill them,
because it's something that we need that and our planet
needs it. It causes plants to grow, and we need plants.

(01:23:06):
So I just wanted to ask you help us understand
kind of how political this has gotten. You know, I
know that you care about the environment. I know that
you care about the earth. You actually have family, sons,
probably grandchildren. You want them to enjoy a long life,
long after you and I aren't here anymore. I do too,
And so it's not that we don't care about the planet,

(01:23:27):
it's that we want to deal with it in a
factual way.

Speaker 10 (01:23:30):
Yeah. Now, as you indicate it, there has been a
very slight warming of the Earth since the Industrial Age started,
about one point seven fahrenheit degrees. But the question is
does it have anything to do with human activity? And
the answer is no. And in my op ed in

(01:23:52):
the Washington Times, I said, if you want to know
why Biden's whole climate agenda is a is a hoax?
Read the New York Times and read the Washington Post,
I said. Buried inside both papers were reports of the
official source on how much carbon dioxide there is in

(01:24:17):
the in the atmosphere, and that official source, government source
said that during the pandemic, when everything shut down, nobody
was driving, nobody was They stopped flights, they curtailed trains.
You would think that there'd be a huge decrease in

(01:24:38):
carbon carbon dioxide emissions. No, in fact, there was a
slight increase according to these official measurements. So that demonstrates
that human activity has nothing to do with with carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere. Of course that was never picked
up by anybody either. It's just insane. What what kind

(01:25:01):
of myths there are in our discourse and are not
being exposed by by journalists?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Yeah, well, you know, an example would be we've had
many ice ages and at the Industrial revolution, if you will,
kind of began after a cooling trend had occurred. And
so that may be why people can say, oh, see
it's been warming since the industrial trend. It's like, well,
but that doesn't mean it caused it. And an example
could be I could wash my car, and then it

(01:25:31):
can start raining, and then I could blame the fact
that I washed my car that it rained, and yet
that we all know that's just kind of you know,
silly and so on some level. And the other thing
that kind of I find curious about it is sometimes
when I've asked people to give me the evidence that
climate change is in fact, you know, real and so forth,
they'll give me what they call computer models that predict

(01:25:54):
the future. And I'm thinking, a nice Wait a minute,
So if I've created I could create a computer model
that would tell you who the next ten Super Bowl
victors would be, is that proof they win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
No, it's just a projection. And what's interesting is is
these projections, when you go back in time and then
you know, put the data in and see what it does,
it turns out that it's not accurate. So that would
become like me predicting. Let's say that the San Diego
Padres will win the next ten World Series and then
they don't win any or that the Washington Commanders were

(01:26:27):
supposed to have won the last ten Super Bowls and
of course they didn't win any of those. The last
time they won a Super Bowl was when Joe Gibbs
was around and they were the Redskins. That was a
while ago. You know, it's over thirty years ago. So
my point is a projection, isn't the fact. It's just
somebody saying this is what I think may happen in
the future. So I want to ask you to take

(01:26:47):
on that.

Speaker 10 (01:26:48):
I'm sure just like rolling their dives. But another incredible
thing is that in his verse State of the Union message,
Biden said, as we know, the US accounts for only
fifteen percent of the carbon dioxide emissions in the world,
And he said, and so if even if we reduced

(01:27:12):
our emissions, it wouldn't make any difference, because you know,
we only account for fifteen percent. Where was that picked
up in the media. Hardly anywhere, you know, Fox News
picked it up, But it's in the official White House
transcript of the State of the Union. So he totally
undercout his whole global warming initiative and all these billions

(01:27:33):
of dollars being spent to combat so called global warming
and again totally ignored by the media.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Well yeah, another thing too is when they did things
to stop global warming, they tended to name them things
that had nothing to do with that, like example, the
Inflation Reduction Act, which is basically kind of the New
Green New Deal, you know, but by a false name.
And I think you can make mistakes and it doesn't
mean that you're being dishonest, but when you try to

(01:28:03):
hide the mistake that you've made by using falsehoods and things,
that's revealing. An example would be if if I were
accused of robbing a bank yesterday, and then I lied
about where I was yesterday, that might be evidence that
I'm trying to hide my involvement. Whereas if I just
tell you the truth about where I was, and I

(01:28:24):
can demonstrate where I was and it wasn't anywhere near
a bank, that's helpful. But I think sometimes when you're
lying about things, you're hiding something.

Speaker 10 (01:28:33):
Oh sure, very obvious, but you know, it seems that
everybody in our political world this line all the time.
Now were just getting used to it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Yeah, well, I was going to ask you on with
climate change and just kind of moving forward, you know.
Obviously I want us to not pollute the world so
that when I walk outside, I can hardly breathe because
it's awful. I think any rational human being would be
against polluting our world. But at the same time, it's
not like if I go out and cook hamburgers on

(01:29:04):
a grill, I'm polluting the world making it uninhabitable, for example.
Because that's the case, then cavemen who built a fire
to keep themselves warm in the winter or to cook
their food were destroying the environment. And I'm not sure
that's evidence, because I think the Earth clearly has almost
a cleansing mechanism in it, because if it didn't, the
oceans would be completely polluted now because for hundreds of

(01:29:26):
thousands of years, if not millions of years, fish have
been in their peeing, and so obviously the ocean can
clean itself. Because if I have a fish bowl in
my house, it's a gallon size. If I don't never
clean it, the fish will die inside because they'll basically
just be, you know, swimming in their own pea. So
my point is the same thing with the air. You know,

(01:29:46):
if after hundreds of thousands of years of cavemen and
then other people, you know, having a fire in their
fireplace to keep their house warm so they don't freeze
to death, if we were just slowly filling up the
Earth's atmosphere with smoke. By now we'd all be dead.
But the reality is, the atmosphere seems to be able
to kind of clean itself as long as we don't
overdo it. And that's why, for example, there's there was

(01:30:09):
a time when many cities had really bad problems with pollution,
but of late, the air pollution is becoming less of
a bad problem in most areas because we've been good
about ratcheting down the pollution we put into the air,
and we seem to be we must be below the
levels that the earth can clean. So I just wanted
to ask you kind of help us understand that is

(01:30:32):
what I'm saying making sense, And what's your thought on it.

Speaker 10 (01:30:34):
Yeah, well, obviously air pollution has diminished drastically because of
the improvements that we have instilled in our various you know,
automobiles and other possible pollutants. So that is not a
problem anymore, just isn't. And you know, but the the

(01:30:58):
left keeps coming up with the ways to point out
dangers that don't exist and ways to spend billions of
dollars to combat it. It's a crazy, crazy atmosphere, and
of course Trump has taken on that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Fine, it's a good point.

Speaker 10 (01:31:20):
Ron.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
We've got you know, we've got maybe two minutes left.
So I wanted to have you help us walk through
the various ways that we can keep connected with you,
because I feel like our viewers and listeners, if they
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factual information and logic as opposed to propaganda. So I
think that you help people be better citizens because I
would argue that part of being a responsible citizen in
this environment is to make wise choices in how we
vote and how we express our views and what issues
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into fearing silly stuff for crazy stuff or things that
are just bogus. So I wanted to ask you to
tell us all the different ways that we can connect
with Ron Kessler, because our political IQ, our citizenship IQ
will go up if we spend our time reading the
things that you write about.

Speaker 10 (01:32:22):
I appreciate that well. I think the best way is
to go to my website Ronald Kessler dot com, and
on the last page it lists some of them. More
when I think of as important op ads that I've
written which appear in Washington Times, News Max, even the

(01:32:42):
Washington Post, and in addition my books twenty one so far,
and I think that's enough for now. As you said,
FPI see CI Secret Service, White House do expose a
lot of these myths and misconceptions, and so that's another way,

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of course, by ordering through Amazon. And I think that's
enough to keep you busy well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
And I can recommend the books because my wife and
I have read several of the books that you've written
and the only problem was that when I got one
of them, it was just one, so then we were,
you know, struggle over who got to read it first.
And then you were very kind and sent a second one,
so that helped the problem of not having that. So

(01:33:31):
my recommendation to folks might be instead of just buying one,
by two so that everybody in your house can have
the option to read it, as opposed to having a
family fight over whose turn it is to read the book.

Speaker 10 (01:33:42):
And you're lucky to have a good marriage, so we
don't have to worry.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yeah, absolutely, well, folks, the conservative commandos will be right
back after these messages. But we are very pleased to
have had Ron Kessler, and we thank him for joining
us today and we'll look forward to having me again
in the future because, like I said, Ron helps your
political IQ and your civic IQ go up dramatically.

Speaker 10 (01:34:06):
Thank you, George, I enjoyed it.

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Take care, folks.

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Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commander's Radio
Chat with George Landreth and Imric Trader. Commit to you
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about the hypocrisy of the left, and it's it's the
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has gotten. The left has gotten so far from it,
so far from it that they opened the borders. They
let ten twenty thirty million people here illegally. They really
don't know. They want to give these people driver's license,
they want to give these people citizenship. But even before that,
they want to now count them in our census. George,

(01:38:30):
in what country in the world, In what country in
the world is a foreigner counted in a census of
that country? Do you have any did, George?

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Zero zero zero? No other country. We're the only country
that does that, and it's because of the extreme left.
But in every other country they don't do that, and
it's because it makes sense. You know, the US census
is in the Constitution that was designed to ensure fair
representation in Congress as population shifted and so forth, but
today it's being misused. Right now, the census counts everyone

(01:39:03):
living in the country, even if they're illegally here or
if they're legal visitors. So, for example, some guy comes
here from Great Britain to go on vacation, and if
he happens to be here when the census person is out,
they're going to count him in the census. And no
other country would do that. I've been to many other
countries in the world. I've never once been counted in

(01:39:26):
one of their censuses. And so whether you're there legally
as a visitor or whether there illegally, it doesn't matter.
You have to be a citizen to count for purposes
of representation, because it's used to determine congressional seats, the
Electoral College votes, and so forth. And it's based not
on the number now any longer of American citizens, but

(01:39:48):
just on people who happen to be there. So, for example,
if we hold the super Bowl and some people from
other countries come to the super Bowl, then all of
a sudden that state should be getting more representation.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
The more federal money. Yeah, Georgia more federal money because
of the census also determines what states, what communities get
federal dollars or how many federal dollars they get. So
surely it's the to the advantage of California and of
New York and Connecticut to count everybody so they get

(01:40:21):
more federal dollars. You talked about, You talked about representation
in Congress, you talked about the electoral vote, but uh,
it's also who gets more federal dollars. Where does federal
dollars go.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
In that state to pick up more an example, like
you said, California, New York and some other states, but
there's also states like Ohio, Tennessee, on Idaho that are
shortchanged by that because they don't have nearly as large
as an illegal population. And as a result of that.
So basically what this current system does it says we're
gonna let some states be overrepresented and we're going to

(01:40:59):
make sure the other states are underrepresented. And then they
act like they care about democracy. The left does not
give two hoots about democracy. The fact that we're a
constitutional republic is absolutely offensive to them, and so they're
happy to undermine it. Happy to destroy it, and that's
what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
George. We had a couple of great guests today. Would
he thank them for his fleet?

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Oh? Absolutely well. First, we started off with Tom del
Bacaro and we had a great conversation with him about
Californians for election fairness. And you'd think that's not controversial, right,
You'd think that having elections would be not controversial. But
if you were to ask Gavin Newsom, he would tell
you it's fascist. But Tom, of course did a great

(01:41:43):
job of helping us understand that, and that's important. And
then we also had Ron Kessler and we had a
good conversation him about James Comy and his indictment and
how he weaponized the FBI. And one of the things
I thought that Ron said that was interesting was he
said he didn't really liked the indictment that much because
when he read it, it didn't seem like it was

(01:42:04):
included a lot of the things that Comy actually did.
So he wasn't saying he didn't like it because he's
for Jim Comy. He was just saying, there's lots of
stuff out there if you do your research that he
did that was illegal and some of it wasn't put
in the indictment, so they need to do a better job,
you know. So if a guy robs a dozen banks,
you'd want to indict him for robbing a dozen banks,

(01:42:24):
not for a parking meter a violation while robbing one
of the banks. And I think that was kind of
where he's getting at. But anyhow, great conversation on that,
and then we talked about global warming and kind of
what's going on with that and how it's being blown
out of the water for without any real evidence. And
always a great conversation with our guests. You've done a
great job of building a network in a show that

(01:42:46):
attracts the very best guests on TV and radio.

Speaker 1 (01:42:49):
Well, we're very very proud of that, George. Tell us
about your.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Book, Oh sure, well, let Freedom Ring again. And that
is about, of course, the idea that freedom is important,
that freedom matters, and that we ought to support freedom.
And then in the subtitle you can see that right here,
can self evident truths save America from further decline? And
the answer to that, of course is self evident truths

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are very important because they are what made America what
it is today, or at least what it has become
in the sense that we start off as thirteen insignificant
colonies and then we became the world's economic, military, and
cultural superpower. And how to redo all that? And the
answer was because they had a constitution that promoted freedom

(01:43:36):
and opportunity for all, the rule of law, and those
self evident truths were very important. They weren't just kind
of like, ah, who cares, you know, It's like, no,
you ought to care. If you look around the globe,
any country that the more other countries share our values
and these you know, things that matter, those countries are

(01:43:58):
more successful, secure, they're more prosperous, and their people are
freer and happier. And of course the further they are
from those principles than the exact opposite is the case.
So I try to explain all that in the book
and give people historical analysis and tell historical stories that
illustrate the points and also make good arguments for what

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happens and what you know. Like I have a chapter
on about the lies and the left and what's some
of the most common lies the left are and stuff.
So it's a book that tries to help you be
a better citizen, because we need to have America maintain
the values that made us.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Great heat indeed and deeds. And as you were describing
that book and talking about self Evan and HRUs, George,
I think that's what this show has been all about.
And I want to thank you for sitting in today
as my co host. But for right now, we are
out of time. That means that we get to run
and we got to go. Take care, God bless and
we'll see it tomorrow. That's going to be on TV

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