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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome everybody, and welcome fellow patriots, and welcome fellow the plurbals.
Welcome on your drinks to society and rockfellers, you sick
of fans and stickos. Welcome all of you friends, allies
and patriots, and you're always going to be welcome here.
And this place is the Conservative Commandos Radio show. And
I'm Rick Trader coming to you from the my Plas studios,

(00:44):
my tourist studios of the aun TV network and joining
me today as she does a couple of times a
week from the battle born State, the Battleground State, the
Silver State of Nevada. And that is Sharon Engel and Sharon,
welcome back, Welcome back to Conservative Commandos.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Rick.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's always great to be here. And I feel like
sometimes we just follow up on what we've been doing
throughout the week. I feel like that's what the president
has been doing. It's just been fascinating to watch his
the people that he has nominated, and how the press

(01:32):
just doesn't know where to look and they think that
they're acting independently. They want to make us think that
the president doesn't know what he's doing, and that the
president's people don't know what they're doing, but I think
that it actually is very coordinated. If you look at it,
you see that they're all kind of moving in the

(01:54):
same direction. When you see one make a move, been
another one makes a move. The Justice Department seems to
be on the move. We've got Tulca Gabbard saying that
there will be prosecutions, which you know, you and I,
at least I'm very skeptical of that when I think, oh, yeah,

(02:18):
let's say they're gonna they're gonna put somebody in jail,
but really prosecuting.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Which part are we talking about? Are we talking about
this Obama mess, the Obama scandal, the.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
There's so many of them, let's get it street.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Well, it's it's you're right, there is a lot that's
been going up. I go back to this again and
again and again and again. When when Donald Trump was
elected in twenty sixteen, I thought, Okay, we have the
White House, we have the House, we have the Senate,

(02:59):
we have control of the Supreme Court. What could we
possibly talk about. Maybe it's time for the Conservative Commanders
radio show to retire. And boy, that would have been
a huge mistake because every day, every day, it's something new.
And the newest thing to coming up to be coming

(03:19):
out of Washington is the revelation that all the Russian
hoaks that was all a scam that seems to be
started by Hillary Clinton and picked up and carried through
by Barack Obama. You know it. I don't know what
you want to call it, treason, conspiracy, slander, but there

(03:43):
was a lot of people hurt by that, and we
talked about that yesterday. I know some people personally that
were hurt by having to defend themselves. And these were
a couple of these people were people that were not
even charged, but just because they were called into question,
they had to hire lures and cost them a lot

(04:05):
of money. It cost them reputations, cost some careers at
the time. And that part Barack Obama won. He helped
us to destroy a lot of good people. But now
maybe the American people will find out what all the
words I can't use here on TV that Barack Obama

(04:27):
and the Democrats really are.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Well, there's no doubt that they're vindictive. You know, they
get revenge, And I guess that was kind of why
I was relating it back to other stories that we've done.
We went into your New Jersey US attorney Alina Haba,

(04:55):
and how she went afterminals in New Jersey, and for
that they have a vendetta. And so today they are
making sure that Alina Haba is not the New York

(05:16):
Jersey stated US attorney, even though she was appointed by
the governor just waiting for her.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
She was appointed by President.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean the President.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
One of the mistakes she made, or not a mistake.
There's something she should have done is she went after
Phil Murphy for harboring harboring an illegal alien. That's one
of the things that she did. So it's going to
be interesting now that the Bunchelours have said that, Well,
you know, you talk about New Jersey, all right, the

(05:50):
Supreme Court is all liberal, the state legislature is very liberal.
It's the governor is a liberal. It's it's not is
that this happened. It's what I don't quite understand was
this was the US attorney that was appointed by Donald Trump.
Where do where do judges in New Jersey get I

(06:15):
don't know. I'm not sure how this works. I'll have
to look into it. Where do they get off by
refusing to accept her? Now there was another person that
was fired the first day that she took office. So
it's going to be I don't know where it's going
to stand on is it going to be everye hundred

(06:37):
and twenty days. Donald Trump is going to have to
pick another US attorney for the state of New Jersey
and wait for these group of lawyers. And I don't
know where that's where that stands, how that works to approver.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I don't know either. I thought you know, and we
have one in waiting as well. Our US attorney here
in Nevada has been keeping a low profile because she
knows how vindicted these folks are. And she hasn't made
any moves, She hasn't made any noises. She's waiting to

(07:15):
be confirmed before she goes into action, is what everybody's
been saying. They said, well, wait, wait, wait until she
gets the final approval. Alina Habba, courageous woman that she is,
didn't wait for it. She had the power to do it,
and she went for it. As you say, after a

(07:38):
criminal your former governor, isn't it the one who's harboring
fugitives that is a crime.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, you know, I just look this up. It says
the US attorney is appointed by President of the United
States and confirmed by this Senate. Yes, disappointment process is
governed by the cut Institution and requires the President to
seek the Senates advise and consent for each appointment. Not judges. No,

(08:08):
not judges. So what's I don't understand what's going on.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So this is a decision of a panel of federal judges,
federal judges in New Jersey. So all of these guys
I believe have been appointed as well. Right, the federal
judge is appointed, not elected by the by the by
the president. I think he goes that deep into those

(08:36):
federal judges, and so they're the ones that are blocking this.
I don't understand it either. I think it's a bold
move on their part, because, as you say, there's nothing
in that you can read in the law that says
that they have that jurisdiction that they that they're allowed
to preempt the process, preempt the president, preempt the Senate.

(09:03):
They've just gone in and they have removed uh hava,
and they selected their own The judges selected Desireeli Grace,
the first assistant US Attorney uh to fill that position.
So states no, Yeah, So how do they have the

(09:29):
authority to dismiss Haba and appoint Grace in her stead. I,
you know, and I think that what's going on is
Pam Bondi's saying the same thing she says. She says,
the US Attorney Haba has been doing a great job

(09:50):
and making New Jersey safe again. Nonetheless, politically minded judges
refused to allow her to continue in her position. So,
you know, how how is Bondi giving giving them the opportunity?
She says, Accordingly, the first assistant US Attorney in New

(10:12):
Jersey has has just been removed. The Department of Justice
does not tolerate rogue judges, especially when they threaten the
president's core Article two powers. So she's calling on the
constitution say it's an Article two power for him to appoint,
and that these judges are rogue judges. So it seems

(10:38):
like the net has been cast now over these federal
the federal judiciary, and they're going to start going after
these these federal judges that are outside their authority. We'll
see how this goes, but it's it's astonishing. It's just
astonishing to see this kind of a move. But it's

(11:02):
it's the exact same move that Obama made against his
opponent President Trump.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
You know, in the same light, Sharon. You know, Congress
passed the Big Beautiful Bill. Part of the Big Beautiful
Bill was the elimination of aid to Plan Parenthood, while
Planned Parenthood went to court and got a judge that
put an injunction on the Trump administration demanding that that

(11:33):
funds be restored to Planned Parenthood. And what the judge
said was when the Senate defunded Planned Parenthood, it was
violating Planned Parenthood's First Amendment rights. Explain that to me, Sharon,
Explain that to me. But you know, this goes, this

(11:55):
goes to these judges. You know, these judges were not
elect to the president. These you know, we have three
branches of government here in the United States. We've got
the legislative, the executive, and the judicial, three equal branches
of government. Okay, it's up to Congress to spend money.

(12:21):
It's not up to judges to say how Congress should
spend money. The Supreme Court said the other day, these
these injunctions are illegal. They're illegal, but they continue to
do them. And every time there's another injunction, well it's
got to go. It's got to be appealed. Ap build

(12:42):
and ends up back in the Supreme Court. Whether this
is all a plan. I think it's all a plan
to stall and to stop the Trump agenda.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Of course it is. So why are they letting it?
Why did Havas step down? Why is she even listening?
Why is Pam Bondy listening and responding to if they're
rogue judges that are outside their authority, they have no
authority here. The other question is why hasn't the Senate

(13:15):
confirmed these US attorneys? Shit, because we knew our US
attorney had been appointed in January, and here were six
months out and they still have not confirmed these nominees.
Why is that that should have been just that order
of business. You know, he nominated him, we see him,

(13:38):
we confirm them.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right, Well, that's a question we're going to have
to talk about the next segment, Sherion Angel, because we're
up against the break already. I can't believe how fast
time goes when the two of us get together. But
you are listening to conservative commanders on the other side
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Speaker 1 (17:15):
And welcome back to your Conservative Commandos with Sharon Angele
and your street lyric Trader coming to you from the
Mike Pelas Studios and My Store Studios of the a
U n TV network. And to get back into these judges,
do we want to get back into the disappointments? Where
we heading this second second?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, where was kind of heading with this is that
the net is being cast, and this net is one
net will lead to prosecutions and arrests and hopefully incarcerations
of people who have betrayed this country. What what President

(18:01):
Obama did by trying to deceive the public as far
as who Donald Trump was with Russia Gate and all
of that, by trying to remove elected leadership by deception

(18:22):
is a bloodless coup. It's a coup d eta. He
was trying to overthrow the government of President Trump, the
government of the United States. That is treason that needs
to be really called to the forefront. And this going

(18:44):
after his appointees now the same thing that we're seeing,
this deep state, in collaboration with the left, still trying
to undermine our government, the government that we the people elected.
And it's interesting to see how Trump has positioned his

(19:10):
appointees to cast this net. It's not just Pam Bondi
casting the net. It's not just Tulsi Gabbard casting the net.
But when they cast the net, Cash Pttel comes in
and he weighs in and he brings his piece. Holman

(19:31):
comes in, brings his piece. Then Pambondi brings her piece.
You can just see them closing in on this deep state.
And it's interesting when we think about the deep state,
we don't think about five million, five hundred Is that right?

(19:52):
I'm going to get this number right because I was
just astonished at it. The number of bureaucrats is uh five,
I'm wanting to say five hundred million, but that just.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
It's got to be five hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It five five hundred thousand, but but that's two. The
appointees of Trump is five thousand. So that's that's the
difference here. We've got five thousand people working to cast

(20:35):
this net around five hundred thousand, and you you know,
it's a huge job. But what we're seeing is this
they're all working together. They're all working together to round
this up. And uh, I think that's gonna starts coming
in and I think in.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
And of itself, that's got to be conspiracy within the deeps.
I would like to know where they're getting their marching
orders from. We've talked about this for a long time.
Where is the left getting its marching order? Show? And
you know what's coming from somewhere. For instance, they'll pick
up a word, they'll pick up a phrase, and they'll

(21:16):
just hammer hammer on it, hammer on, hammer on it.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
And right, every one of the news media.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Has exactly just for an example, just for an example,
three days, three days after President Trump was inaugurated, there
was a mantra going around the left and around the
liberal media, the price of eggs are not coming down.
I mean, the man's been in office for three days
and they're hammering the fact that the price of eggs

(21:45):
are not coming down. You remember that, Sherry, Yes, remember
that back in January, right after he was inaugurated. So
they get their marching orders, they get their talking points,
and I wouldn't and I would be amazed and shocked
if this isn't a conspiracy among these five hundred thousand

(22:07):
government employees that are part of the swamp, that only
five thousand of them have been put in the place
by Trump. I say, ah, you know, sharing all these people,
every single one of them, serve at the pleasure of
the president. Yes, And just like remember Ronald Reagan when

(22:30):
he shut down the air traffic controllers, when he fired
the air traffic controllers, Donald Trump should say to the
you're all out of a job. Well, all, you're all
out of a job. Do not show up for work.
You're not really needed, the only the only people that
we really need and we need the military, we need
the we need the the air traffic controllers and a

(22:54):
few others. Why why does the federal government hire so
many people? H It's probably because it's all the it's
all the friends and relatives of all these politicians that
have been in office for all these years. It's just
it's gotten out of control. It's gotten out of him.
And this is this is the result of all that garbage, Sharon.

(23:18):
It's the result of all that.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Garbage, absolutely well. And the you know, we forget you know,
we're watching these things happen around us, but we forget
that back here, that auto pin is going to play
a role again and again and again because of the pardons.

(23:43):
Nobody's immune. They that autopin took their immunity away. They
got the pardon. But now who really pardoned them. It
wasn't the president. It was as they dig deeper and deeper,
they find it with some staffer who was running the
auto pin. So those weren't really presidential pardons. So now

(24:06):
everybody's in the line to be prosecuted. So it's not
and this whole idea of Statute of limitation only works
if if you don't prove that that was part of
the crime is to lengthen this all out past statute

(24:28):
of limitations. So that's all off the table now too.
And so what we're looking at is really a like
I said, they're rounding these folks up, they're taking away
their immunity, and they're getting ready to one by one

(24:49):
not just exposed, but begin to bring out the true
criminals in this. And I think that back to where
we started with Alina Habba exposed a criminal, ready to
prosecute that criminal, and boy they rose up quickly too.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I did squash that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Down, squorsh that down. I'm not going to let that happen.
But I believe that that's just the tip of the
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(25:29):
But Denish de Susa had an expository film two thousand
Mules where he said, you know, ballots were being stuffed
in the ballot boxes and he showed that happening. Well
where did those ballots come from? Well, now we're finding
out they came from China, so you know, because they

(25:51):
were making these ballots and shipping them over to the
United States.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Didn't I start to say this three years ago, that
all the where did all these mail and ballots come from?
You know, We've had Garland Favrito from Georgia come on
and show and he talked about palate pallets full of
mail in ballots, mail in ballasts that were filled out.

(26:18):
They're all the same, and they were not folded, they
were not creased like they've been folded and put into
an envelope. And again these these weren't mail in ballast.
But with that, Sharon, guess what it is time for?
It's time for break.

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a voice message or a text message. So, Sharon, where
are you gonna go?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Where are we gonna go?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Well, we're gonna go from you.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
You kind of went there yesterday, but I wanted to
follow it up a bit. There was a seven point
five billion dollar program in the Infrastructure Bill of twenty
twenty one that provided public chargers for electric vehicles, and
it was to install about four hundred stations on highways

(31:27):
and byways in the United States. That's about twenty million
dollars per charging station. So you alluded to this yesterday
that under the Biden regime we spent billions of dollars

(31:50):
on something that most Americans won't ever use, and that
some Americans do use, but it's just such a minority
of folks. It's just us. Actually, it was a squandering
of money. Rather than something that benefits, uh, the American people.

(32:13):
This was something that just just benefited a very few.
And here we are in debt, in debt and debt
with these things. You know, it's amazing to me. And

(32:35):
this all kind of got started, I guess because of
Elon Musk and his electric vehicles, right well, I don't.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Know if it was specifically Elon Musk, but a lot
of it was him. There are other companies building these
electric cars, and Sharon, I don't have anything against an
electric car. If somebody wants an electric car, find they
can buy it, but just be note the infrastructure is
not there to charge these cars, especially if you're going

(33:10):
to be taking long trips, and for all the money
well that they were going to spend on these charging stations,
so very few of them were actually built. Actually, I'm
looking at an article right here, right now that says
that Trump wants to halt the build out of ev
charging stations. You know, gas stations are all over the country,

(33:34):
all right, they're all over the country. None of them
were built with taxpayer money, right, Every gas station was
built with private money. People starting businesses, all right, people
opening up gas stations, or maybe they had a little
store and they put in gas pumps. That was all

(33:57):
private enterprise. This electric this electric car solar fraud starts
and right away the government wants to spend seven and
a half billion dollars, billion dollars for these charging stations.
It was it was all part of the Build Back

(34:19):
Better bill, the Build Back Better scam of Joe o'biden,
the infrastructure bill, where none of this with the infrastructure.
It was all this was to push this green garbage,
his new green garbage, that stuff. You know, when somebody
wants an electric car, fine, go out and buy an

(34:39):
electric car, but they shouldn't be getting subsidized by the
federal government to go out and buy an electric car.
My god, Sharon, right now, I got three cars in
my driveway. By the way, I got a car for sale.
Anybody's looking to buy a two thousand and nine Handai
Tucson got one for sale. Government didn't give me any

(35:01):
money to buy those cars. We bought them on a
Rowns Soli scam. It's solid scam. It's and it's when
you look at our deficit. This country's broke. It's thirty
eight trillion dollars in debt. There's no money there for

(35:22):
gifts or freebies for anybody. That's how we got there.
Garbage like this, stupid politicians promising things to people. Well,
and Biden paid for with taxpayer money.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And and Biden promised for that seven point five million dollars.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Trillion dollars brillion billion, I'm sorry, billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Billion dollars, billion.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Dollars trillion, a billion.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Billion dollars, said he would build a half a million
charging stations. Well he missed it by four nine, six
hundred and sixteen, So you know he out of the
half a million he was going to build, he built
four hundred. And it's interesting because he wanted to brag

(36:15):
about that he posted in twenty twenty two. In December,
he posts, We're building five hundred thousand electric vehicles charging
stations across the country. The Great American road Trip will
be fully electrified. I guess who answers that, Elon Musk

(36:37):
or he says Elon says you can just buy a Tesla.
It makes you want to write, It just makes you, well.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
You know, we've talked about Elon Musk before, and you
know I was very, very skeptical and critical of Elon
Musk for number of years. But when he started to
come over to the Trump side, I'm thinking, well, maybe
he is one of the ones like Winston Churchill talked about,
if you're not a liberal by age twenty, you have

(37:08):
the heart. If you're not a conservative by age of what,
do you have no brain? So he bought He bought Twitter,
turned it into X, opened it up to a little
bit more to free speech. I don't know how much,
because I still am shadow band. We're still shadow band

(37:29):
by X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it.
I'm not sure that things changed that much. He did
campaign for Trump, and he had to know, he had
to hear what Trump was saying. He was going to
end these subsidies. Maybe he thought if he got on
the inside with Trump, he could persuade him not to

(37:50):
end these subsidies for these these electric cars. All right,
electric cars and many many applications are totally in practical.
All right. They say the driving range is three hundred miles,
but generally, from what I have heard from people who
own electric cars, you never get a three hundred mile range.

(38:12):
So therefore you can't take a trip. You're always thinking
about where am I going to recharge? Where am I
going to recharge? Am I going to be able to
get home? I know what. I go out on the
road with my car and I need gas. I got
all kinds of options. I got one hundreds of options
or thousands of options where I can get gas. It

(38:35):
didn't work. It doesn't work. It's in impractical. Well, I
spent seven point five billion dollars on garbage. Is seven
point five billion dollars. We could have paid down the
debt or done something really useful.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
So when Elon began to push against Trump, he criticized
the big beautiful bill, and then he criticized him for
the Epstein not divulging everything he could about Epstein and thirdly,
he comes out with his American Party, which is a

(39:15):
third party attempt to take away from the Republican Party
that Trump has built. And Trump responded all that. He said,
Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in
history by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have

(39:37):
to close up shop and head back to South Africa.
Then he said, no more rocket launches, satellites or electric
car production and our country would save a fortune. Perhaps
we should have those take a good hard look at
this big money to be saved. So he called Elon

(39:59):
out on his subsidies, and he's saying no more rocket
lunches and no more satellites and no more electric car
company subsidies for Elon. I interestingly, Uh, we can't do
that so fast. I guess we've made a contract with

(40:22):
Elon Musk for uh Space Force and we have to
I guess honor that contract. He's he's the one that's
putting us forward. Right.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
The contracts can be. Contracts are canceled all the time, all.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
The time, all the time. But they but they're pulling
it out now. Oh no, not so fast. Trump. You
can't you can't threaten to pull those uh SpaceX agreements. Uh,
because they get this, they remain essential to both the
part mental and NASA operational requirements. So it's the space.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Did we get to the Moon without Elon Musk?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I think we did.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, we got to we got to the Moon without
Elon Musk. I'm all for our expose program, Sharon, if
we as we've spoken throughout the years, you know that.
You know, I'm very pro aviation space. But we got
to the Moon without Elon Musk. I mean, we could
have a space program without any we could have NASA

(41:35):
could go back into the business of being a space
program once they get out of the business of DEI
all right, we don't need Elon Musk to continue with
space program. There are companies out there, you know. Elon
Musk is just the name du jour. All right.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, Boeing, for example, was doing this, so why not again?
You know they have been the ones that have been
in competition with SpaceX Elon Musk. So it's interesting that
we're now calling on this subsidy thing as part of

(42:23):
the debt. Interestingly, those Elon Musk and the Big Beautiful
Bill criticism said he didn't like the tax cuts because
they would amount to a five trillion dollar increase in
the debt. What about the subsidies. That's real spending on subsidies.

(42:44):
This is and imagined uh maybe not all imagined, but
mostly imagined deficit because of tax revenues not coming in.
But we all know that when you get people a
tax break, they spend that money and and it just

(43:07):
infuses economy and we actually gain more. So there's no deficit,
is actually a benefit, and people forget that that that
that's what's going on here, and that that criticism as
head of those he should have seen those subsidies for

(43:30):
what they are. That does add to the debt because
it's money that we could have spent someplace else besides
with someone's private business. As you point out, that's Elon
Musk's business.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
And that's how Musk has got some filthy rich through
government subsidies. All his companies that got all these government subsidies.
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Speaker 1 (47:53):
And welcome back, Welcome back to the Conservative Commandos for
Sharon Angle. I'm Rick Dreider, coming to you from the
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We'll have a couple of terrific guests, couple of terrific interviews.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Back to you, Sharon, Well, I'm going to talk about
the US Olympic and Paralympic committees. They've changed their eligibility
rules and they are now banning self described transgender individuals
from competing in Olympic women's sports. Okay, finally we get

(48:43):
the Olympics to say this is right. I wonder what's
going to happen to those Olympic champions who were transgender
and one.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I don't care, I mean I want struggle.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, if they're going to be able to strip that
and just go on as if that didn't happen. But
it really changes the whole atmosphere of the competition, because
there are times when your body is ready to do competing,
and these women were ready to compete, and this man
stole that time away from them. It wasn't just a medal.

(49:23):
He stole some of their prime time from them. And
it's interesting that finally the Olympics committee has said Okay,
we're not going to let men compete against women. But
it's also interesting to me that it took a change

(49:44):
in the presidency for them to come to a position
that we all have been saying for years men should
not compete against when and and yet until the presidency changed,

(50:05):
the Olympic Committee wasn't willing to do this. So it's
a it's a good thing that they've done it, but
it's also way overdue, way overdue. And as someone well,
actually Riley Gaines, she says, it's hard to applaud an

(50:26):
organization for merely following the law.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
How true? How true?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (50:34):
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Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, my gosh, you know. And and what did it
take away from Riley Gaines? Although she gained a lot
in her own persona, you know, fighting for what's right,
but still that wasn't where she was going. She didn't
want to become a celebrity. She wanted in that way.
She wanted to become an Olympic champion. And you know,

(50:58):
those are the things that were stolen away from women
by these men.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
For every man that took a place, took the place
of a woman on the podium, they stole that moment
from a woman I think it's got to be great.
It's got to be absolutely great to stand up on
a podium and represent your country. It is a It

(51:29):
is a reward for the hours and hours of hard
work and training and practice that these women went through
to get into the position they're in. To have it
stolen by a man, to have it stolen by a

(51:49):
bunch of idiots who don't know the difference between a
man and a woman. To have it stolen by a
bunch of idiots, to think a man could just buy
saying I'm a woman makes themself a woman. What a shame,
What a shame, an absolute shame. You know what should happen, Sharon,
for every every person, And this will never make up,

(52:13):
This will never make up for them losing that moment.
But for every woman that was denied a metal, a ceremony,
a reward, or anything during that time, they should get
special recognition. Now. I know it can never make up,
but that's what they are deserved. They deserve that special

(52:36):
recognition that yes, you were a champion, Yes you deserve
to be up there, but because of stupid people in
really poor and bad decisions, that was taken away from you.
And you know, what maybe the people that were responsible

(52:56):
for those decisions, maybe they should be suit You know,
I hate to say this. You know this is a
very litigious country, but I think the only way to
stop this garbage is through the courts to personally hold
these people responsible for the decisions that they make. Some

(53:21):
only way to stop the charing hold them personally account.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
I don't know that that will I you.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Know, it'll never happen, but that's what should happen.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So cynical, aren't We were so cynical about whether people
will actually get justice or not. We we clamor for it,
we want it, and we we do get it sometimes,
but not for those people that were injured. It's justice

(53:54):
going forward. So that's what we've got now, is justice
going forward. They've now declared that no other woman will
suffer that kind of of unfair competition. But we'll be
able to be an athlete and rewarded for being that athlete.

(54:16):
But it's interesting that justice didn't come to the ones
that were injured. It's coming for those that come after them.
So there are those warriors in every fight that we
really do need to recognize as warriors, the ones that

(54:36):
stood up and said no, I'm not going to compete
against a man. No, those ones that were injured trying
to compete against men. You know, there's there's just a
lot that went on here, and we're never going to
see complete justice for them, I'm afraid. But it's a

(55:01):
turn for the better, right, as Riley Gaines says it,
it's a win, even though.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
It is a win, but it's the win of a
battle that should never have had to be fought.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Never you know, common sense, common sense. So many people
with authority don't have any common sense. I mean, give
me an example. Give me, Sharon, how many computers, iPads,

(55:38):
cell phones do you have in your home?

Speaker 8 (55:41):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
My goodness, six seven?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I have at least that many, probably more. Not only that,
I have monitors, I have recording devices like the old
VCRs and machines and all that. I've got a couple
of dozen different pieces of equipment. What they want to

(56:08):
do in Europe, Sharon, they want to have a tax
to tax you on recycling your devices. Okay, So in
other words, when you buy a device, you're registered with
the government, and if at the end of the use

(56:29):
of this piece of equipment, if you don't turn it
in and get I don't know something back from the
government that says you've turned it in, you're going to
be taxed on that. Now, what I'm getting at is
all these stupid ideas that are created by stupid people.

(56:50):
This is my problem with full time politicians. Full time
politicians sit around and think of stupid ways to justify
their existence, taxes, legislation, laws. I think that everybody in
politics should be in office as a volunteer, part time. Okay,

(57:14):
when you have full time politicians, full time legislations, full
time lawmakers and rulemakers, this is the garbage you get.
That's just an example. And where I'm getting at is
these people that decided that men should be able to
participate in women's sports. It shows the stupidity and that

(57:37):
the lack of common sense. We see that sports, we
see that government, we see that school districts. We see
it all over the place, the lack of common sense.
This is what we really needed to come back to.
Hopefully with the election of Donald Trump was the start

(57:58):
of all that well.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
And I think we also see not just a lack
of common sense, but a lack of courage. We know
what's right, Rick. We know what the facts are, we're
just not courageous enough to stand up for it. Look
at the US Olympics committee. Why didn't they just stand

(58:21):
up and say, a man is a man, a woman
is a woman. Men don't compete in women's sports. We
can do a DNA test. It'll be easy enough to
find out if you're a man. We've been banning in
from women's sports forever. You can't, you know. They it's

(58:41):
a time out. You know, it's a time out on science.
It's a time out on your brain. Not because you're stupid,
but because you have the courage to stand up for
what you know is truth.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Sharon, God bless you. You know you know how I
feel about you. You're You're like the sister I wish
I had. You don't need a DNA test to figure
out a man and a woman. I mean, you really don't. Sorry, sorry, folks.
You don't need to go that far. You don't need
to go through that expense.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Well, some some people have gone to great lengths to
say that they're not what they are.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
So yeah, there's they're very easy ways, very very easy
ways to tell. Well, Sharon, we're getting to that point
in the day where we have to wrap things up,
and as I mentioned, right after this break, we're going
to be playing some of the best of interviews here
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Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
It's my pleasure to introduce Paul Kaminar, who is the
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the United States and a member of its Judicial Review Committee. Paul,
welcome back to the Conservative Commandos Radio Show.

Speaker 19 (01:05:16):
Thank you for having me, my pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Well, let's talk lawfair. Jack Smith must go. But it
doesn't seem like they're letting go very much. I just
got a text from their side saying we want to
enforce that fourteenth Amendment. They want to go after him still,
So what are we looking at here when we talk

(01:05:40):
about law fair. Is it going to end or is
it just going to go to someone else? Is Jack
Smith going to close up his shop or are we
just going to see more of the same.

Speaker 19 (01:05:54):
Well, I mean, obviously we're not going to see more
of the same because all those guys will be out
of power come January twenty twenty five, so we just
have another two months to bear it. But getting in
the particulars here with Jack Smith, he as we are speaking,

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winding down his prosecution of Donald Trump in the two
cases that he has, one here in DC on the
election interference case, and the other one in Florida, the
Mayri Largo classified documents case. That case, by the way,
was already dismissed a month or so ago on the

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grounds that Jack Smith was unconstitutionally appointed. That's on appeal.
But both of those cases are going to be dismissed
very soon here because what's going to happen is Jack
Smith seized the writing on the wall. He knows that
comes January twentieth, twenty twenty five, when Donald Trump is

(01:06:58):
sworn into office, he will, as he promised, fired Jack
Smith within two seconds. So Jack Smith knows he's he's,
you know, dead meat. At that point, so he figures, well,
let me do this, let me leave with some dignity.
So that's speaking dact. And what I'll do is I'll
wind this down. I'll voluntarily resign, uh, and then leave

(01:07:21):
it in the court's hands as to what they want
to do from it here on. But I think what
he'll do is go to these two courts, these two judges,
and say, hey, look, Donald Trump and his new administration
can have both these cases dismissed. Will order his new

(01:07:42):
attorney general to dismiss them. By the way, the news
that just came out is that he's putting up Matt
Gates as his candidate for attorney general. I don't know
how far that's gonna go, but be that it's made
no matter who he appoints, that attorney general will dismiss
both the cases anyway. So this is basically a done deal.

(01:08:05):
It's just a matter of Jack Smith kind of saving
some kind of face by wrapping it up and filing
what he's required to do, and that's called a report.
He has to file to Congress a special Council report
documenting his time in office. There as to what evidence

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he filed, who he prosecuted, Why did he prosecute that person?
Who did he not prosecute? Why did he not prosecute
those people? And that report goes to first the Attorney
General mayor Garland, who can decide what to release of
that report. I think he'll release everything, but he'll go
to Congress as well, and the whole thing's going to

(01:08:49):
get released, and then there'll be some hearings before Congress
and the new Congress, and they'll get Jack Smith up
there and they'll do a thorough investigation of what he did,
why did he go after Donald Trump? Et cetera, et cetera.
But the bottom line is those two cases are on

(01:09:09):
their death throws and they're going to be dismissed in
short order.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Here we would like to see someone prosecuted for what's
going on here. This is you know, it's been so
over the top. We all have felt as private citizens
that were vulnerable to the same kind of thing this

(01:09:36):
law there. Do you think that that's even a possibility.
You say he could be fired, which of course a
new administration would do that, But is there anything that
they can do to him criminally legally? Is there any
way that we get justice in this or it just
goes away.

Speaker 19 (01:09:57):
Well, they'll be a hearing before Congress, and they'll they'll
do a thorough investigation with Jack Smith up there, just
like they did with Robert Muller in the Russia hoax case.
And and they'll they'll uncover all the uh sort of
motivations for for the prosecution uh and so forth. Uh

(01:10:18):
and and the connections and and the internal emails are
going on. As you know, we uncovered a lot of
that during the Robert Muller case with Peter Strock and
so forth. These guys the Just Department who are out
to get Trump and said so in their emails.

Speaker 12 (01:10:37):
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Speaker 19 (01:10:37):
So, in terms of actual legal action against them, unless
there's something that they did h that was criminal. I mean,
even if they start scrubbing or or destroying internal documents
if they want to try to cover their tracks, that
in itself is a crime, because all government documents are

(01:10:59):
to be deserved and can't be altered or destroyed. So
that'll be one thing. But in terms of politically, there'll
be you know, obviously some blowback. But legally, they Trump
attorneys already did file in the case here what's called
selective prosecution, which is a legal defense saying that hey,

(01:11:24):
they're only coming after me because of a political motivation,
your honor, and therefore one this case dismissed. That of
course was filed, and of course was denied, and the
standard to get those granted are very, very high to
get that, so I'm not surprised that the courts denied

(01:11:47):
those motions. But again it may be that during the
investigation and post mortem we'll see enough evidence that politically
it will reveal that these cases were part of lawfare.
And like you said, there's also other aspects of the
Justice Department, not only against Donald Trump, but against average Americans,

(01:12:10):
where they were going after school board members, I mean,
school board parents who were trying to oppose certain you know,
type of DEI things, or LGBTQ things, you know, same
sex bathrooms and all that they were targeted by the
Just Department. And also you recall in Richmond, I believe

(01:12:35):
the Just Department was going after Catholic people who were
objecting to some of these policies and so forth. So
that's a clear example of the lawfare that was going on.
And then of course you have more partly the January
six ers. As you know, Donald Trump promised many times

(01:12:57):
that if he were elected, he would part of the
January Sixers. So this would be a good example of
a retribution, so to speak, or payback to the Justice
Department saying, hey, you thought you were throwing all these
people in prison for defending a by election and twenty twenty, well,

(01:13:21):
I'll show you and I'll pardon them. And that's going
to be a big aspect to this, basically payback if
you will, to the lawfare that the other side has
been carrying on for the last four years.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
It just seems like there should be some kind of restitution,
you know. I'm looking at the ones who have suffered.
Rudy Giuliani, for instance, has suffered over this law fair
and this attack another one, John Eastman, and it seems
like there's no real thought, you know, it just goes away. Okay,

(01:14:03):
they won't do it anymore. There is nothing that they're
having to do to pay for what they've done here
to private individuals, to patriots, to people that you know,
the John Sixers at the wind to jail. Where's the
restitution for that? You know, I guess I'm just wanting justice.

Speaker 19 (01:14:27):
Yeah, no, you're right, and legally speaking, there can only
be restitutions, so to speak, if in fact there was
some criminal activity on the other side. And for example,
right now, I'm representing a January sixth defendant and a

(01:14:48):
civil lawsuit against the DC police. Her name is Victoria White.
You may have heard of her. She was beaten mercilessly
by the dec See police when she was pushed into
that tunnel on the west side of the Capitol. They
are about fifty police in this tunnel and she was

(01:15:10):
pushed around and beating over the head thirty five times
with the metal baton backed a rag doll. She was
defending herself and they dragged her out and had her
later arrested. And her crime was entering the capitol grounds.
Well wait a minute. She was pushed into the tunnel

(01:15:33):
number one and number two the video. When she was
outside the tunnel, she was pulling down a somebody who
was protesting, it was, and was trying to smash a window,
and she pulled them down from the legend said don't
do that. We don't do that kind of stuff. We
don't do violence. Get off the ledge. So here she

(01:15:55):
was trying to protest peacefully, and what happened she got
the hellbeat out of her like a pinata. And so
in terms of justice and restitution, we have a lawsuit
right now pending in federal court in d C. Where
we want to seek some justice for her, So stay
tuned on that case.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Well, I'm glad to hear that something's being done, because
it just seems like they the other side, gets away
with all kinds of slander and malice and everything that
is so unconstitutional, un American, and those that have suffered

(01:16:37):
from it get nothing, not even I'm sorry. It's just
I guess I like I said, I just want justice,
and I'm thinking that this is just going to be
more of the same. We've watched Jack Smith and how
he works, and he'll just go away and he won't

(01:16:58):
have to even say sorry for what he's done. It's
just well, you don't do that job anymore. Is that
really all we're going to get from this?

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (01:17:09):
From him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:17:10):
But at the same time, like I said earlier, there'll
be a thorough investigation of what he did in his minions,
and it'll it'll expose the kind of improper persecution that
was going on. So at least we'll get that. At
like I said, the January sixth, Pardons is also justice

(01:17:31):
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Well, going forward, I'm thinking of we have now a
majority in both houses, We've got some opportunities to pass
some laws against just what's happened. Do you think that's
that that's going to be a process from all these investigations,
we will get some kind of legal action that says,

(01:17:55):
if you do this, then this will happen to you.

Speaker 19 (01:17:59):
Well, I mean, right now, we've got obviously the criminal
laws there. What you're talking about is what we call
prosecutorial discretion, and the Department of Justice has guidelines on
when prosecutors should go after alleged suspects, etc. So I
think one thing that can be done is for the
new Attorney General to tighten up those prosecutorial guidelines to

(01:18:25):
make sure that the prosecutorial powers are not abused, and
hopefully that will bring in some kind of a discipline
with the Justice Department, because if they go outside those guidelines,
at the minimum, the Attorney General can tell those people
you're fired, you're abusing your power. And I think there's

(01:18:46):
been so much of what we call over criminalization that's
been going on here, and the prosecutors need to be
rained in all across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
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He's the league counsel for the National Legal and Policy Center,
and we're discussing special counsel Jack Smith must close shop,

(01:21:00):
law Fair must end. Hey Paul, thank you for holding
through that break. We really appreciate your time. Hey Paul,
how are you feeling, buddy? I mean, how were you
feeling last Wednesday morning when you found out that indeed
Donald Trump had one he had prevailed? And I just
wanted to get your feelings of how different you felt

(01:21:21):
that morning versus how different you would have felt if
Kamala Harris had won.

Speaker 19 (01:21:29):
Well, I think we were all we're most surprised and
heartened by the results of the election. I mean, everybody
the media was saying there was a you know, tight race,
fifty to fifty, it's going to be closed. And you
had pundits on the left who were predicting that Kamala

(01:21:52):
Harris would win. I mean they were like, you know,
breaking out the champagne already. So when the results came in,
and I was surprised how quick they came in. I
was thinking, we're going to have to wait, you know,
two or three days for the counts in some of
these battleground states. But no, you know, after midnight, et cetera,

(01:22:12):
I mean, it was clear that Donald Trump won. And
so then I knew that, Okay, all the shenanigans of
these prosecutions are going to go away, and we're going
to have a new administration, a new new talk about
turning the leaf, turning a new page, as as Harris

(01:22:34):
kept saying, let's turn the page. Yeah, well we just
did turn the page. Donald Trump did and we turned
the page on on the on the deep state and
this political persecution, et cetera. Uh So I was glad
to see that. As I said at the beginning of
the first segment, the two federal cases are going to
be thrown out. Now the big thing is wait a minute,

(01:22:57):
there's two state cases to contend with. And right now
the big thing is, of course, the New York case.
Donald Trump is a convicted felon thirty four counts under
New York law. Now he was supposed to be sentenced
on November twenty sixth, and yesterday Judge Buchand was supposed

(01:23:19):
to decide whether or not that case should be thrown
out because of the immunity ruling that Supreme Court did
a couple months ago, where the court ruled that presidential
actions are immune from prosecution.

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
And so.

Speaker 19 (01:23:36):
Trump's attorney saying, hey, Judge Boshon, we got some problems
with that conviction because, as you recall, there was testimony
by Trump's aides in that case, namely Hope x, who
testified what Donald Trump told her the White House about
the hush money payments, etc. And that dealt with that

(01:24:00):
the president took as the president, so Therefore, your honor,
that testimony infected the whole case, and therefore the whole
case should be dismissed. So Judge Burshan is now scratching
his head and saying, gee, let me decide what I'm
going to do with it. He was supposed to decide

(01:24:20):
yesterday about that, but he's giving himself another week. The
next week. This time we will know whether Judge Bushon
is going to throw the whole case out or whether
he's going to say as I think he might do,
and say, well, you know, that's right. The whole Picks
testimony should.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Not have been in there.

Speaker 19 (01:24:41):
That's immune under the Supreme Court decision. But it was
such a small part of the testimony and evidence that
the rest of the evidence supported the criminal conviction. Therefore,
I hereby hold that the criminal conviction stands well. Even
if he does that, Trump attorneys will appeal that. We'll

(01:25:02):
go to the Court of Appeals that go to Supreme Court,
et cetera, et cetera, so that case.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Can this be without him passing sentence? Yes? Can this be?
Can this case be appealed at this time?

Speaker 19 (01:25:17):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Let's say, let's say Marcia says, well, I'm going to
put this sentencing on hold for four years, four and
a half years, or yeah, four years and two months.
I'm not gonna We're not going to pass sentence until
Donald Trump is no longer president. Can this case be
pealed in appealed in the meantime.

Speaker 19 (01:25:39):
Yeah, that's a very good question, because normally you cannot
appeal a conviction until the sentence is imposed. Uh, because
that's why you need what's called a final judgment. But
in this case, he first has to deal with the
immunity issue, and that is an appealable issue before any
sentence is imposed. So he's going to have to make

(01:26:02):
a decision whether the Supreme Court decision mandates that he
throw the whole case out or not. So one way
or the other, he's going to make a ruling next
week on that, and that ruling can be appealed up
to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court makes rule
that yep, that testimony of Hope Kicks was was infected

(01:26:26):
the whole case, and the whole case should be thrown out,
and therefore Judge Buruchad has no choice but to dismiss it.
But that's a good point though, he may try some
tricks and say, well, I want to hold off sensing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
For fair he loves I think he loves keeping his
name in his paw. He only have you for another
two minutes. I got ask this question, all the lawfare,
all this lawfare, how much did it cost the taxpayer?
And where can I go to get a refund? Because
I don't think I got my money's worth out of this.
I mean, this is, this has been a bad products

(01:27:01):
since the very beginning. Where can I go to get
my refund?

Speaker 19 (01:27:05):
Yeah? Well, yeah, no, unfortunately you can't. The only thing
is that Congress can expose I mean, I think Jack
Sbith spent some fifty million dollars a taxpayer money to
go after Donald Trump. Robert Mother did the same and
more so. Unfortunately that money is can't can't be recouped.

(01:27:28):
But at the same time, like I said, the pardons
that will come will be some form of retribution on
that score, and congressional investigation will also expose the waste,
wasteful prosecution that that that carried out and hopefully to

(01:27:49):
make sure that this kind of prosecution won't happen again.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Well, one last quick question. Steen's second answer, if you
will Should Donald Trump end the law fair? Or should
he or should he take go after who went after him?

Speaker 19 (01:28:06):
Well, I think at a minimum he should hold those
accountable who abused the law. So I'm not saying he
should lay down all his weapons and say kumbaya as
forgiven no more. But I think at the same time,
those who did engage in misconduct need to be accountable,

(01:28:26):
and I think there should be some answers they should
be answerable to, at least that as opposed to going
out and finding new targets, et cetera, as the left
side did. I think at the minimum there should be
some accountability here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
All right. Paul kamen are League counsel for the National
Legal and Policy Center. Paul, how do we keep in
touch with you? How did we find out where about
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Speaker 19 (01:28:52):
Great, thank you for asking. Simply go to our website.
It's n l PC dot org rg n l PC
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do there, and we also have a Twitter account and
Facebook and all that. But you can get those links

(01:29:12):
on our website.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
All right, Again, Paul Kaminar, thank you so much for
joining us. Take care and God bless Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:19):
Very much.

Speaker 19 (01:29:20):
Have a good day and you are.

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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative command of
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as you can see, our next guests is the board,
so please make that an introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
That's my pleasure to introduce Michael Johnson, who's president of
the Slavic Gospel Association and the Illinois based organization that's
supported local evangelical churches and faithful local missionary pastors across
the former Soviet Union and Israel for ninety years. He's
a frequent visitor to Russia, the Ukraine, Israel and the

(01:31:14):
former Soviet nations. On the Pulse is his group that
he goes with and he's always ready to talk about
challenges facing local evangelical churches and the opportunities for gospel
ministry across the Bad Vast Complex area. Covering eleven time zones. Michael,

(01:31:39):
welcome to the Conservative Commandos Radio show.

Speaker 20 (01:31:42):
Well, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Well we're going to talk about out of the frying
pan into the fire. Ukrainian Russian Christians are leading a
war aid effort to Israel. I would think that the
Ukraine would have so much on their flight that they
couldn't be thinking about Israel. But here you're telling me

(01:32:05):
the war torn Ukraine is sending aid.

Speaker 21 (01:32:10):
Absolutely, And just a little background of that. I mean,
we are ministries. We've been around since for ninety years,
as you mentioned, and we're connected to the Baptist Evangelical
churches all across the former Soviet Union. We're connected to
roughly six thousand churches and we exist to serve their churches,

(01:32:31):
to reach their nations for Christ through a variety of
different ministries. And so in Ukraine they had roughly twenty
eight hundred churches and we have been we engineered one
of the largest distribution of humanitarian aid strategies in Ukraine
when the war started there. So we're seeing tremendous opportunities

(01:32:53):
to minister to people in their time of distress in.

Speaker 20 (01:32:57):
That war torn country.

Speaker 21 (01:33:00):
When the Ukraine Wars started, we working with those churches,
we helped the Ukrainians to engineer and exit strategy for
many of the people in the eastern part of the country.
They were trying to make their way to the western
part of the country so they can escape into Eastern Europe.
A large number of those people were Ukrainian Jews who
rather than going to Eastern Europe, they immigrated to Israel.

(01:33:24):
And I was in Israel when the war started between
Russia and Ukraine, and I visited a lot of churches
where these Ukrainian Jews were coming into the countries. So
the churches would meet these Ukrainian Jews as they came
into the country.

Speaker 20 (01:33:44):
They administered to them.

Speaker 21 (01:33:45):
They would help them find places to live, they would
help them to find jobs, they would help them to
get situated and just all again share the level of
Christ with them in their time of distress. So October seventh,
when when the conflict started in the Oshkalon area, there
were many Ukrainian Jews who were living in Israel, particularly

(01:34:11):
in the south, which is where most of them migrated to,
and they were just frightened.

Speaker 20 (01:34:16):
They didn't have any hope, they didn't know what was
going to happen to them.

Speaker 21 (01:34:19):
That many of them hadn't found jobs, they were struggling financially,
and because these Russian, these the Ukrainian the Slavic churches
that were connected to in Russia.

Speaker 20 (01:34:33):
Because they knew.

Speaker 21 (01:34:34):
Where they lived, we were able to connect with them
and distribute humanitarian aid through their churches. And they just
started knocking on doors of the people in their apartments.
And there are tens of thousands of people that they
were connected to. And that was pretty rough at the
time because most of this took place in Ashkalan, and

(01:34:55):
there were a lot of Hamas snipers and the roofs
shooting at people in the streets.

Speaker 20 (01:35:00):
And they risked their lives to meet to meet with
these people.

Speaker 21 (01:35:03):
And and the Ukrainian Jews were in Israel, they didn't
they were just they were just hopeless. And and so
the doors they would knock on the doors and they
would open up. These people would say who are you
and why are you here, and they would just say,
we're Christians.

Speaker 20 (01:35:22):
We're here to minister to you.

Speaker 21 (01:35:23):
And then they would build relationships with them, and eventually
many of them began to come to a church and
come to church that they were, that they were churches
they were represented.

Speaker 20 (01:35:34):
So for us, you know, we.

Speaker 21 (01:35:37):
We've been working in Israel since the late forties doing
pastor training and church planting. Right now, we support the
largest training ministry of Ukrainian and Russian Jewish believers in Israel,
and then we send them out into unreached areas to
preach the Gospel and plant churches in that country. So

(01:36:00):
we're connected to a very large network of churches. Right now,
there's about thirty thousand Russian Slash Ukrainian Jewish believers in Israel.
So we have a large network of Christians that we're
connected to, and that allows us to help them in

(01:36:21):
their efforts to minister to people, both in word indeed
through those faithful churches.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Okay, let's do a little geography here. You say ash Kalan,
and of course, if you have any Bible knowledge, you're thinking, okay,
this is part of Felictia or the Philictines, and we think,
of course Goliath and his brothers they came from these cities.

(01:36:49):
But honestly, nowadays we think of Gaza. It's a little
Gaza strip, and then where is ash Kalan in relation
to the Gaza strip where the inside Gaza are just
on the app where is it?

Speaker 21 (01:37:07):
It's probably within five to ten miles from Gaza, were
our main contact over there. His name was doctor Ola
Kurukhti and he he lives in Ashkalon, and he at
the time was living in a high rise apartment basing
the Mediterranean, And so when they would start launching missiles

(01:37:32):
into Israel, Brown zero was Ashkalon and he and his
wife were sitting in a in their living room and
the siren went off and you only have about two
seconds to react, so they stood up, went around the
corner to try to escape into the hallway. A missile
dropped into their living room. It just missed them, but

(01:37:56):
it killed the woman that was sitting in her apartment
underneath them.

Speaker 20 (01:37:59):
So it literally is ground zero when it came to
the attack from the Gaza Strip into Israel. So again
it's very close.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
Very close.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Five months, yeah, just barely in Israel. For a Jewish
person who is not allowed to live in Gaza and
they are just there. This must have been totally frightening
to have come from a war zone in the Ukraine
to drop into a war zone in Israel. You think

(01:38:34):
you're you think you're safe finally, but really you're really not.

Speaker 21 (01:38:40):
Absolutely and in many ways, the intense the fighting was
a lot more intense in Israel than it was when they.

Speaker 20 (01:38:47):
Were exposed to in Ukraine.

Speaker 21 (01:38:48):
So it was a very frightening experience and numbere people
lost their lives.

Speaker 20 (01:38:53):
That it was just devastating.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
It has been a devastating war all around. I know
that anyone who's interested in Israel has been following very
closely the way that the IDEF has been fighting This
work quite differently from the way that we think of

(01:39:17):
modern day warfare. We don't hear about the Ukrainian Russian
more trying to keep the civilian casualties down. That's not
the top It doesn't seem like it's their top priority.
It doesn't seem like they give warning to the other siding.
Yet that's exactly what's happening in Israel. We see that.

Speaker 21 (01:39:40):
Well, you know, probably twenty percent of the population of
Israel as either Russian or Russian speaking, and so that
represents a significant percentage of the population of Israel as
almost almost a couple of million people. So so that

(01:40:01):
particular population I think is very strategic. And when it
comes to the Gospel in Israel, it's the Russians and
those individuals that came from Russian families that are the
most open to the Gospel, and so when it comes.

Speaker 20 (01:40:18):
To the effectiveness of their churches, you know, they're very.

Speaker 21 (01:40:25):
Intent on ministering to people throughout their countries. And again,
I mean they have passion for ministering to their physical
needs in this time of distress, but also they're they're
administer to their spiritual needs.

Speaker 20 (01:40:40):
And many of the people that they encounter who are.

Speaker 21 (01:40:45):
In these desperate situations, see the love and the commitment
that these people have in the midst of local conflict.
They're just amazed, and many of them do respond and
many of them have come to faith in Christ. And
so we're seeing a very similar situation taking place in
Ukraine as well. So this is just a horrible situation.

(01:41:08):
You know, the war in Ukraine is just a horrible situation.
We keep getting stories of people who are losing their lives,
particularly children.

Speaker 20 (01:41:15):
The guys working in Ukraine.

Speaker 21 (01:41:17):
There's a spiritual revival taking place as a result of
the act of mercy of the local churches.

Speaker 20 (01:41:23):
In that country.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Well, on that note, I'm going to say Praise the Lord,
and we are going to go to a break. We
are coming to you from the Conservative Commando Radio Network
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And welcome back. Welcome back to the Conservative Commando's Radio
Show with Sharon Angele and you're Shreley Rick Drader coming
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Michael Johnsons our guest, and he is the president of

(01:43:50):
the Slavic Gospel Association. We're talking about Out of the
frying pan, into the fire, Ukrainian Russian Christians lead war
effort in Israel. Hey, Michael, thank you for holding through
that break. We really do appreciate your time. Michael, real
quick question, why should Christians like Sharon, myself and I

(01:44:16):
believe you, why should we care about what happens in Israel?

Speaker 21 (01:44:24):
Well to the jew first and the Gentiles? Right, you know,
Israel holds a special place in the heart of God,
and and he wants to see his people in Israel
come to faith in Christ.

Speaker 9 (01:44:42):
And so.

Speaker 21 (01:44:44):
The people in Israel are open to the Gospel when
they hear clear presentation of the Gospel. And we just
we're responding to God's calling our life because of the
connection that we have to twenty percent of the population
of Israel, particularly in this time of distress, in this

(01:45:05):
time of conflict, in this time of uncertainty, that's when
people seem to be the most open. And and so
when you look at President Trump has been has been
elected for his lordship and and we're praying for him
that he could bring peace to Israel.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Why would I ask you about that? Does the election
of President Trump? Is that giving people hope? The people
in the Ukraine and the people in Israel, Is that
giving them real hope is that showing them the light
at the possibly the light at the end of the tunnel.

Speaker 21 (01:45:46):
Well, I was at NRB last year National Broadcasters with
my friend Ole, who I mentioned from Israel and and
and President Trump came and spoke, and Olan thrilled. He said,
because the people in Israel love President Trump, and I
do know that the majority of the population are very

(01:46:06):
pleased that he was elected. With regard to Russia and Ukraine,
President Trump has said that he plans to end at
conflict before he steps into office.

Speaker 20 (01:46:21):
And you know, Trump's a he's a negotiator. You know,
he's a deal maker. It's the art of the deal,
you know.

Speaker 21 (01:46:28):
And and he made the statement that there are certain
going to be there's certain things in what they negotiate
on either side it's going to be happy with.

Speaker 20 (01:46:35):
But he's a peacemaker.

Speaker 21 (01:46:38):
And when and people ask him, well, aren't you going
to help Ukraine win the war, he said, I just
want to stop the killing.

Speaker 20 (01:46:47):
We need to stop the killing.

Speaker 21 (01:46:50):
And families are being disrupted because we get the reports
on the ground both in Russia and Ukraine, because we
still continue work in Russia and the fighting just needs
to stop. And so people are very prayerful that he'll

(01:47:10):
be successful, but ultimately that's in God's hands and we're
just going to continue to do what we can do
based upon the connections that we have through these faithful
churches throughout those countries to equip them to ministers to
the people that have been affected by these conflicts.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Michael, when you talk about the Ukraine, when you talk
about Israel, and of course they want the killing to stop,
I also have to think there are probably a lot
of people in Russia, a lot of mothers in Russia
who wanted to stop to Can you give us a
little insight about Russia and how the Russians are feeling

(01:47:49):
about all this?

Speaker 20 (01:47:51):
Yes, yeah, we have. We still continue to do ongoing
ministry in Russia.

Speaker 21 (01:47:59):
In fact, I'm in Russia has growing and so the
little churches have been very instrumental and connecting with families
who have been affected by this, particularly based upon the
loss of life of either sons or husbands in the war.
And it's a significant, significant number. And on the outside,

(01:48:22):
you know, the Russians appear to be patriotic as it
relates to the war, but on the inside they're really
hurting and struggling right now. They're struggling now from the
standpoint of the loss of life, but they're struggling based
upon the negative impact that this has had in their economy,
and so they are hoping and praying that this war
ends as soon as possible in the same.

Speaker 20 (01:48:43):
Way that Ukraine's are.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
Talk with this about your organization, the Slavic Gospel Association.
Give us an idea of your history and maybe a
little bit how you got involved with your organization.

Speaker 21 (01:49:00):
Ministry Again was established ninety years ago, established by a
man named Peter Danica.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
He was an.

Speaker 21 (01:49:05):
Immigrant from Belarus that his father sent him here in
the early part of the twentieth century. He was fourteen
years old so he could find a job and send
money back so that the family could survived. He ended
up in Chicago and he ended up connected with the
Mooney Church and it was there that he made a
profession of faith in Christ. And a number of years later,

(01:49:28):
when the persecution against the against the Christians and the
Soviet Union began to ramp up, he felt a calling
to start an organization that was an advocate for those Christians.
So it was a ministry of prayer, but it was
also a ministry where we were involved in the covert
distribution of books and Bibles throughout those countries for many years.

(01:49:49):
And then we developed the first Maine you know, Christian
language Christian programming and we broadcast it in and through
the Iron Kert in partnership with that FBC Transport Radio
and HCGB. So the ministry always had a passion for
the Russian people, and so when the walk came down,

(01:50:10):
we shipped our strategy and we connected with the Baptist churches.
Now Russia for all intents and purposes, missed the Reformation,
but in the early eighteen hundreds German Mennonite missionaries came
into both Ukraine and Georgia and began to evangelize the
evangelize the peasant population, and that eventually morphed.

Speaker 20 (01:50:31):
Into what is now the modern day Baptist movement in Russia.

Speaker 21 (01:50:35):
So it's those churches that we're connected to, and it's
those churches that we served. We serve by theological training,
we serve by sending their pastors out to the church
planting and evangelism, and then we equipped them for ministry
as they minister the orphans and children.

Speaker 20 (01:50:52):
And you know, people who live in poverty so that
those churches can be lifted in both word.

Speaker 21 (01:51:00):
Indeed, so that's kind of this strategy, the overall strategy.
My background is I grew up in Connecticut. When I
was nineteen years old, I got into finished a couple
of years of college. So I was sort of an
adventurous type person. So I got in the car and
drove out the California with some buddies of mine, and
it was like nineteen seventy four at the nineteen seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Four and.

Speaker 21 (01:51:26):
Some biker led me to the Lord and so I
got saved in the middle of the Jesus movement, and
so I attended a Bible school that was started by
a guy named Hal Lindsey called the Jesus Christ Light
and Powerhouse, and he had gotten together with some guys
from Dallas Seminary, and I got some early training, and

(01:51:46):
then I met my wife, and I ended up as
an advertising executive in New York City for many years
and worked on some of the largest consumer brands in
the world. And I learned how to tell a brand story.
So and so I took a short commission strip to
to uh To Albania, and God began to open my

(01:52:07):
eyes to what he was doing in the post communist world.
A number of years later, So in the early early nineties,
I made a transition into ministry. I was the chief
fundraiser for this organization, worked here for seven years. I
left and I consulted with other ministries for number of years,
and then they brought me back as the president seven

(01:52:28):
years ago. So I'm a you know, advertising marketing fundraising guy.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
And you know, Michael, it sounds like an episode of
mad Men, to be honestly, Yeah, where you your journey,
where you started, where you came from, where you've ended
up at.

Speaker 20 (01:52:46):
It's uh, I'm the Pete Campbell by the way I mean,
but yeah, I'm not. I don't have his bad habits.
But that's my role. That was my role working in
New York.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
You know what I wanted to ask you, Michael, And
this is getting away from the topic a little bit.
In a way. It is in a way it isn't.
Could you talk about the the the the right to
to to religion, to pray in Russia? Are you know,
we know what during the Soviet Union religion was really

(01:53:17):
found upon. Are the people do the people in Russia
have the the right to pray and worship God.

Speaker 20 (01:53:27):
I would say, yes, uh, And you're right.

Speaker 21 (01:53:31):
During the years of communism, you know, people that people
were allowed to outwardly express their religion.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
I think freedom of religion is the phrase I was
looking for. Do they have freedom of religion?

Speaker 20 (01:53:48):
I would say for the most part they do.

Speaker 21 (01:53:50):
Obviously, you know, the Orthodox Church is is you know,
is a partner of Putin and so, you know, so
they that's an important institution in Russia, but a lot
of people of view it is having a very close
relationship to the government.

Speaker 20 (01:54:09):
So the group of churches that we work.

Speaker 21 (01:54:11):
With in Russia, or the Baptist churches, and they are
free to train pastors, they're free to plant churches, they're
free to you know, minister to orphans and widows and
people in need. They're free to pray with people. They're
free to you know, proclaim the Gospel to these people.

(01:54:33):
And there is some pushback and various locales, but for
the most part, the freedom does exist to proclaim the Gospel.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
And Russia, right, what about do they have the freedom
to openly pray for peace? Do they have the freedom
to say to their congregations, let's pray that this war ends.

Speaker 20 (01:54:56):
Do they have that kind of freedom, Yes, they do,
as far as I can tell, they do.

Speaker 21 (01:55:02):
But you know, once you once you inject politics into it,
that's when they got to be careful, you know. So
But yeah, I mean the president of the Baptis named
doctor Peter Muskievitch.

Speaker 20 (01:55:14):
I mean, you know he says that all the time.
He continues to pray for the individual.

Speaker 1 (01:55:20):
Michael, we ask you on this show. We are a
conservative faith based network. We're also friends of Israel. We
love topic centric to Israel, Ukraine to faith. That's why
we brought you on. Why would you want to come
on a show like the conservative Commandos.

Speaker 20 (01:55:41):
Well, first of.

Speaker 21 (01:55:42):
All, I'm a conservative, and I guess I could be
considered a commando.

Speaker 22 (01:55:48):
But as it relates to Israel, I love Israel, and
I love the Israeli people, and and and so I
and so I have.

Speaker 20 (01:56:00):
A desire to.

Speaker 21 (01:56:03):
Share the Gospel through our church network with the people
in Israel, to see them come to faith in Christ.
And it's it's there is a tremendous amount of opposition
in Israel against the Christians. Obviously, you know, the Christians
are important to the Israeli economy because of tourism.

Speaker 20 (01:56:25):
But when it comes to.

Speaker 21 (01:56:28):
The they're some of their evangelistic activity, there's a significant
amount of pushback on a number of different fronts. So
for me, it would be difficult for us to go
to Israel and register as a Western nonprofit organization and
have the freedom that we have now to be able to,

(01:56:49):
you know, proclaim the Gospel through these churches. So we're
not a registered nonprofit organization, but we do have a
strategic partnership with an organization called One for Israel. They
are an indigenous ministry that the most effective evangelistic outreach
ministry in Israel, and it's One for Israel that sponsors

(01:57:10):
the Israel College of the Bible and where.

Speaker 20 (01:57:12):
We do our training.

Speaker 21 (01:57:13):
So we're going to continue to work in Israel, and
even if they try to kick us out, we're going
to continue to minister there and equip churches administer there
as well, because we're singing tremendous amount offord.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
Michael Johnson, President of the Slavic Gospel Association, Michael, before
you go, I want you to tell our listeners and
viewers how they can connect with you, how they could
find out more about the Slavic Gospel. Association give us
the good for one one Well.

Speaker 20 (01:57:47):
The best way to connect with us is simply go
to our website. It's sg A dot org. That's sg
A dot org and.

Speaker 21 (01:57:57):
If you're if you're interested, I need to make a
contribution or learning more about our ministry in Israel on
the on the homepage, there's a banner on top of
the home page that will help you the door when
you can direct to the interior page that talks about
the ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
Michael Johnson, we want to thank you so much for
joining us. God bless you, and God bless your work.
And Michael, when you go into these when you go
into harm's way, I know that God is with you.
God he'll protect you, but please be safe.

Speaker 20 (01:58:31):
Thank you very much. I appreciate that, and thank you
for your ministry.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Take care and God bless and you are listening to
and watching The Conservative Commanders with Sharon Angel. I'm Rick Trader.
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