June 29, 2024 • 48 mins
We're back with a new high profile case. This one will be 3 episodes.
When young Stacy Peterson went missing, suspicion fell on her husband Drew. But this wasn't the only thing that caught their attention. Stacy's disappearance also prompted the reopening of another case.
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When young Stacy Peterson went missing, suspicion fell on her husband Drew. But this wasn't the only thing that caught their attention. Stacy's disappearance also prompted the reopening of another case.
To access earlier episodes of Corpus Delicti and to help support the show, please visit patreon.com/corpusdelicti
Our merch store can be found at teepublic.com/stores/corpus-delicti-podcast
Music by:Kai Engel"Daemones"Blooper music by:Art of Escapism"Coal Miners"This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. To view a copy of this license, visit http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ or send a letter to Creative Commons, PO Box 1866, Mountain View, CA 94042, USA.
Sources:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzT7f9wEDEg
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_53d3XSxa70
- https://www.reelz.com/extra/anonymous-warning-sent-drew-petersons-second-wife-kathleen-savio/
- http://www.acandyrose.com/2012-07-31-MaryPontarelli.pdf
- http://www.acandyrose.com/2012-08-01-ThomasPontarelli.pdf
- Crime files - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZ3MUkXSeY
- https://abc7chicago.com/archive/8746096/
- https://www.sj-r.com/story/news/2008/05/21/drew-peterson-turns-himself-in/47538603007/
- https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/documents/
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Hey everyone, it's Jen and thisis Lindsay and welcome back to Corpus SELICTAI
a new series sort of episode.Yeah, we'll go with that, and
this is part of High Profile wherewe are going to be talking about the
other Peterson. Yeah, so itactually kind of happened as a joke,
but we were talking in our discordserver about obviously the Scott Peterson case,
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which we just came off the heelsof, and you know, somebody was
like, wait, was that Scott? Was that Drew? Was that Michael?
Because there's a bunch of Peterson's.There's like this whole thing with Peterson's
in the true crime world. Andthen we got to joking that, oh,
we should just do a whole serieson the Petersons and just do like
the Peterson Files. And we jokedabout it, but then we actually decided
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to kind of do it. Exceptwe don't think we're gonna do Michael just
because it's like there's just so soso much out there on Michael, the
you know, staircase and all that, but we are going to cover Drew.
So that is why we are heretonight is to talk about the high
profile case of Drew Peterson, yetanother Peterson that's got a lot going on,
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all right. So Drew was justyour typical all American. He grew
up in that lifestyle. His parentswere known to be tough. His dad
was a marine, but Drew didn'trebel against this. He actually did quite
well under the strict routine growing upthat way, and he seemed to be
very well balanced, and he wasathletic. At seventeen, he even got
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his pilot license, and he wasa part of the Illinoi High school track
cross country team. So in nineteenseventy two, he joins the army,
kind of following his dad's footsteps inthe military. Now, his time in
the Army, believe it or not, is highly decorated. You know,
there's a lot of people that wetalk about that have been former military that
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have been discharged for this or that. He was actually a part of a
very high select team of the militarypolice that protected presidents in foreign nationals.
So he is still in the Armyand he is dating his high school sweetheart,
Carol. They go to prom together, and nineteen seventy seven rolls around.
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He gets out of the Army andhe gets a job as a policeman
at the Bolingbrook Police Department. Itactually didn't take long for him to get
promoted to the rank of sergeant.He's dedicated, he's hard working, he's
really putting in the effort that ittakes to get moved up. And he
does a good job as sergeant aswell, because in nineteen seventy nine he
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was awarded Policeman of the Year andwith his record, he was able to
move over to the Narcotics division andhe went into undercover narcotics. So essentially,
in a way, at this pointhe is now living a double life
because he is having to go undercover. So Drew and Carrol get married,
and Carol said that Drew was actuallynot the best husband, not by a
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long shot. Actually he was neverviolent, but he wasn't really mean.
Drew and his police buddies would writeparking tickets for Carol. Yes, they
kind of bullied her in a sensebecause they never put the tickets on her
car, nor was she parked towhere she could be legitimized getting a ticket.
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She had no clue. These ticketsare just piling up and highling up.
Soon a warrant was issued for herarrest and it was Drew that picked
her up and arrested his own wife, and that's kind of messed up.
Later, the judge looks at thisand goes, come on now, so
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all of it gets dropped. Butduring his undercover work, he met and
had an affair with another woman.Carol finds out about this, and she
fills for divorce in nineteen eighty Shedidn't file for divorce when she was getting
those parking tickets and her husband arrestedher. It took another woman for her
to divorce them. Carol was ableto retain custody of the kids, so
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Drew's essentially now a free man.Later, she would say, in two
thousand and seven, after his stringof wives and disappearances and debts, that
she would have never in a millionyears expect this from Drew. Yes,
he was just outright mean, buthe would but she would never expect him
to go that far. And ifyou're not very familiar with the Drew Peterson
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story, not it's in our highprofile series because so you might be.
But that's a little hint of what'sto come right there. So in nineteen
eighty two, this is just twoyears after the divorce, Drew decides to
try again with love and he marriesVicky Conley. Okay, so now we
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talked about how Carol said he's nota great husband. He wasn't physical,
but he was just a jerk.Well, unfortunately this was not the case
with Vicky. There was violence againstVicky that started out quote unquote small,
and it continued to escalate. Vickyrecalled that Drew pointed his gun at her
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on three separate occasions, and hewas just in general, very violent towards
her. He went as far astelling her that he could kill her and
make it look like an accident.So his home life is a little shaky
here, right, and that startsto bleed over into his work. So
in nineteen eighty five, the policedepartment actually fired him. Remember he's got
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this whole good career built up sofar, and this was for not reporting
a bribe, dealing the drugs thathe was supposed to be confiscating, and
misconduct. So he is working innarcotics and whatever he is collecting out on
the streets, he is then selling. So in the grand jury indictment,
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yes they did indict him, thepolice department claims that he orchestrated the drug
deal in exchange for information. Sothis whole bribe and all that they're saying
that he is the one who actuallyorchestrated it. The charges were eventually dropped
and he was demoted to a patrolcop. Big ego, blow to him,
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right, because he's sergeant. Heis Policeman of the Year. And
because of this, he and Vickyhad to move to a smaller home because
he was bringing in less money.They bought and ran Spud's bar together to
help, you know, to compensatefor the loss of income. Vicky is
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burying the brunt of his anger atthis point. So you know, he
had again Policeman of the Year.He protected presidents, he protected foreign dignitaries.
He's a beat cop. So Vicky'sten year old daughter came from a
previous relationship. Her daughter would saythat the marriage is both physical and mentally
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abusive. Drew had allegedly put listeningbugs all throughout the home, you know,
on the phones, to try tocatch Vicky cheating. Now, remember
he cheated on his first wife andnow he feels his second wife is cheating
on him. Not only that,but Vicky gets into a serious car wreck.
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Remember how he said he was gonnamake it look like an accident.
Well, that spurs a ton ofrumors that Drew allegedly tampered with the brakes
of the car which made her wreck. The brakes were cut and the car
flipped multiple times. This car accidentput her in a coma and she needed
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reconstructive surgery. While she's in thecoma, Drew places the bar completely under
his name. He totally takes heroff, kills all of her income.
He stole her half. Not onlythat, he serves her divorce papers when
she wakes up. She's in abad relationship. She wakes up to find
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divorce papers in her lap. Probablydoesn't even realize what happened before she could
even you know, wow, that'sterrible. So he's still married to Vicki.
And the reason he serves her withthese divorce papers is because he met
Kathleen Savio. Now, Kathleen isvery bubbly, smart, outgoing, so
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he's intrigued by Kathleen. And Kathleengrew up in a very poor home.
Her biological dad wasn't really around,he did not pay child support, and
they were just kind of left ofhim for themselves from an early age.
So when she met Drew, itwas intriguing. It was it was stable.
He had a job, he hada house. So the couple was
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engaged for six months after the firstdate and married just months after the divorce
was finalized. So May third,nineteen ninety two, just two months after
the divorce was final Kathleen and Drewgot married. Kathleen and Drew originally met
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on a blind date. Yes,he was blind dating while still married.
And his wife's nacoma by the way, Okay, so you haven't forgotten about
that one. Now, on thevery first date, he did something so
romantic. I mean, it isabove and beyond. He gives her a
picture of himself in uniform, Likethat is the skiff he could think of,
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not flowers, not chocolates. Buthere, let me present you a
picture of myself. Look how goodI look in uniform. Kathleen just laughs
it off. Then she realized hewas married. Didn't stop, didn't stop
right there? He said he wasin the process of getting divorced. Don't
they all though, don't they all? And then she realized, sly,
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well, VICKI does not know aboutKathleen. Kathleen is very young. She
saw this guy who had a home, a career, a family. She
was eager to settle down. Shewas eager to have this father figure in
her life, and she fell inlove. You know, this is the
first quote unquote stable person that shehas dated, and she sees a way
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out of where she is currently.They have their first day married several months
after the divorce goes through. Assoon as they were married, he automatically
begins to be violent with her.It did not take long. You know,
the first wife he was, thesecond one started building and building and
building. This one he just goesin rings on her finger. They say,
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I do, and he becomes angryand violent. So Drew, as
you can kind of tell up tothis point, was a man who liked
to go and live freely. SoKathleen had their two sons, and he
is now forced into fatherhood again andhe is resenting it again now that this
is not these are not his firstchildren. But he would start telling her
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that she was fat, she lookedlike a dog, she's ugly, and
just verbally and mentally berating her.So eighteen total times the police were called
out for domestic disturbances, and mostof the time they did not write a
report. Now, why would theydo this, Well, let's just remember
who Drew Peterson is and where heworks and what he does. This was
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a quote professional courtesy one time Savio. She did go to the er with
a cut to her head and bruises. She told the er doctors at the
time that she just fell and hither head, but ultimately we find out
later that he had beaten her againstthe table. But with the injuries she
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came in with, it wasn't hardto see that she didn't just fall and
do that. It was pretty severeinjuries. So he's starting to escalate with
the violence, and he is gettingaway with it. Even years later in
jail, he denies ever doing anythingto his wife to hurt her, like
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years later when he is in jail. Now we're going to move to early
two thousand, the young families livingin the suburbs of Chicago. Everything on
the outside looks picture perfect, right. She is keeping up the fasall with
all of her friends. Everything's okay, wearing heavy makeup, hiding the bruises.
She's trying to keep it from thekids, But inside she is just
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absolutely miserable. In two thousand andone, Peterson forty seven. Remember he
is forty seven years old, startshaving an affair with Stacy Kele's Stacy is
seventeen. You heard that right,seventeen. So ever since wife number one
he has been backtracking the ages,so he keeps going younger and younger.
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Kathleen was super young too. Now, she was a little bit older than
seventeen at the time, but Stacyseventeen. Stacy was working as a clerk
in one of the local hotels.Towards the end of the marriage with Kathleen,
Peterson started to sneak Stacy into thebasement of their home. This is
where he had the affair with her. He slept with her, she stayed
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there red under his wife's nose.Now he took this really young girl and
sneaks her into the home while hisson's and his wife are sleeping upstairs.
Leot that hit home for a second. He brings his mistress in. Kathleen
learns about this affair a few monthslater, so he gets away with it
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a lot, but when she finallyrealizes it is when she receives an anonymous
letter not to mention. Seventeen yearold Stacy is now pregnant with Drew's child.
This letter. We don't know wherethis letter came from, and it's
a crazy letter. Kathley knows thatshe cannot turn to anyone for help because
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she has tried to call the policeeighteen times. They've even been there.
She has gone to the er wherethe doctor understands that this is not a
fall, but nothing's happening. Sothey're either all going to be on Drew's
side or stay quiet to avoid theconfrontation with Drew at his workplace. This
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letter is a little bit lengthy,but is super important. The letter starts
off, Kathy, this letter's beingsent to you for your benefit. At
this point in time, you're probablyaware that your husband is having an affair.
The girl's name is Stacy born Julyseventeenth, nineteen eighty four and resides
at and she gives Stacy's physical address, so she knows everything about this girl.
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You may already have all this information, but if not, you will
need it to prevent any further embarrassmentand disgrace to you and your family.
This affair has been going on forseveral months, and several people have been
made aware of the situation because ofher age, seventeen, the fact that
she is an employee of the villageand because of Drew's age and his occupation,
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he holds a position of authority overher. Drew could be charged criminally
for his intimate involvement with this minor. Village officials, mayor trustees, and
everyone at the police department have completeknowledge of this situation. It has been
an ongoing joke within the department.The issue has been discussed and it has
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been decided to conceal his behavior toprotect the village and Drew. Because of
his political alliances with Roger Claire andKeen each they are protecting themselves from the
embarrassment and the liability. They're realvictims, being You and your family should
be the ones being protected from theembarrassment. This is not the first time
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in the past that Drew's im moraland unethical behavior have been concealed. This
past summer, Drew allowed the beatingof an arrestee who was handcuffed and defenseless.
The past fall, Drew was suspectedof having planted narcotics cocaine on two
suspected drug raids to obtain a substantialarrest to overshadow his recent behavior and now
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his illegal intimate relationship with a minor. Drew has been willing to sacrifice his
integrity for personal gain with total disregardas actions will embar and disrespect his wife
and children. Beware whom you talkto within the village administration and within the
police department. In other words,mayor chief, deputy chief, protect yourself
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and your family. That's a lotof information to digest. So what we're
gonna do is we're going to takea quick promo bank and we'll be right
back in just a moment. Allright, guys, welcome back. So
we just heard this extremely long letter, right we're talking about this person is
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calling Drew out on handcuffing, plantingdrugs, knowing who knows about it.
So, I mean, where areyour thoughts? Where did this letter come
from? It couldn't have been afriend because they wouldn't have known all the
stuff that this letter described. Tome, it's pretty obvious that it's somebody
within the police department. And Ithought that even before it really alluded to
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that, like even even before itsaid, hey, it's a joke within
the apartment. You know, it'snot the first time it's been concealed at
that point, I feel like itwas obvious, But I wondered it as
early on when it started saying becauseof Drew's age and occupation, he holds
a position of authority, he couldbe charged criminally. It just sounded very
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legal. It sounded very POLICEI ish, I'm wondering it does read like a
mail road it because a gaul wasgoing to be like, look he bumping
around with somebody, ask this wasa very formal, and it was very
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professional. It was It was veryprofessional. So I have there's no doubt
in my mind that it was somebodywithin the police department who's whistleblowing in their
own way. They see it beingcovered up and they say, this is
not the first time his actions havebeen covered up. So yeah, to
me, it just seems kind ofobvious. Somebody's uncomfortable with them covering for
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him. So she does confront Drewand he blows up. Her sister claims
that Kathleen called her and told herthat Drew slammed her against the fridge with
his hand around her throat. Hedenies that this ever happened. He's denied
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everything so far, and by springof two thousand and two, Drew moved
out of the house and into anew home with Stacy Kele's just down the
street. This does not stop Kathleenand Drew from fighting. Kathleen is going
for half of Drew's retirement pension andchild support to help get her through the
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remaining years she has left in nursingschool. Good for her, So Drew
would be seen roller blading past Kathleen'shouse shooting her the bird, like how
old are you? And he needsto getting close to fifty at this point,
fifty years old rollerblading shooting birds athis ex wife's house. Right,
yeah, you're you're a child,sir. And the divorce was ugly because
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again she's fighting for child support.He doesn't want any part of it.
She's not going to give up now. During this time, the police are
called several more times for domestic abusesomewhere against her and some were actually against
him. So one time he hadmanaged to break through the dry wall in
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the garage to try to get intothe home. Dude hulked into the wall
and busted into the house and atthis point she had to file for a
protective order. On July fifth,two thousand and two, Drew had enough
and broke into Kathleen's home at eleventhirty in the morning. He had taken
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the garage door opener and used itto enter the home. He still believes
his house is his. He's treatingit as his. He's going in and
out as he pleases. Now here'sthe kicker. He had used the garage
door and he programmed it so whenKathleen was out of town that way he
could just he had it. Itwas like a spare key. He would
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just go in and hit the buttonand he has complete access to it.
Drew hid in the living room waitingfor her to arrive home. He had
waited until she was walking down thestairs with the laundry basket, so he
had been in there for a bit. She claims. He is wearing his
SWAT uniform, leather gloves and apolice radio in his ear. He is
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suited up. He means business.He begins yelling at her to sit down,
be quiet, and he pushes herto sit down on the stairs.
He forced her to get on thethird step, told her do not speak,
do not move, and he wasangry because the court was awarding her
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child's apart and he was just flatout refusing to pay her a dime.
He did not want to pay atall. So this is when Drew actually
pulls out a knife and puts itagainst Kathleen's neck. She looks him dead
in the eyes and says, dowhat you came for, kill me,
And he puts the knife against herneck, but he could not kill her.
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Then when he did finally leave aroundone point thirty, of course,
she calls the police. And whenthe police came after what we talked about
in that letter, not a bigshocker, although it should be, but
the police sided with Drew again dueto his position at the police department.
Well, Kathleen is like, whatam I supposed to do? My ex
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husband just had a knife to myneck. No one will help me.
She feels threatened. She has nowhereto go, so she writes a letter
to the assistant state's attorney asking forhelp. And in the letter she's describing
the events of what happened when hebroke into the home, took the garage
door opener, had the swatsuit onand all that. And she also told
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the attorney that her children were undergoingtreatment at the school called Rainbows to help
them work through it, so basically, you know, counseling and therapy for
the kids. So she also talkedabout how Drew and Stacy would roll her
blade several times to her house.They're both stopping, they're both flipping her
off, and she's begging to knowwhy Drew was threatening her life and beating
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her and never seems to have chargesfiled against him. Very valid question.
She goes on to warn them thateither Drew is going to manipulate the system
to take her kids or take herlife. In the letter, there was
a police report, one that actuallyfinally got filed, but this one had
Drew's account of what happened. Now, he claims Kathleen had invited him over
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to talk about some of the divorceissues. He walked over to the house
and entered the house through the garage. He called out to Kathleen, met
her on the stairway where they bothjust sat and talked in chat about the
divorce. After about three hours ofchety chat, Katherine stood up exposed her
breast and pubic area to him,asking if he missed it. Then when
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he declines the overt offer, shebecame angry and walked out. So she
technically displayed her body and just stormedout. Now he said that he wore
a black sweatshirt, blue jeans,and black sneaking. Question. It says
that in this letter was a policereport. Did she send them Drew's version
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or did they pull Drew's version?The police report was actually filed when the
whole situation happened. It had herstatement in his statement that was in the
police had Drew's with it. Itwasn't just drews I see okay. So
this letter that she sent was neveranswered, no action was taken. So
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a year and a half later,Monday, Martin, first of four,
she is not answering her door whenDrew. Drew had spent the day at
the local aquarium with the boys anddrove them to Kathleen's house. Afterwards,
he went to Krispy Kreme. Hereturned home and Stacy made breakfast, so
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at eleven o'clock they left headed tothe shed aquarium. Drew said they returned
at approximately four fifteen. He likedto be prepared for work by five pm,
and he didn't have to go towork that day until five thirty,
so when he arrived home the nextmorning, he attempted to take the kids
back, so he's setting up hisalibi. The day that he knocks on
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the door, nothing happens. Hegoes and gets Krispy Kreme and Stacey Cook's
breakfast for the kids. This isobviously, I guess he didn't want to
you. And this is before fourknocks on her door. Right. He
takes the kids, go to theaquarium, make sure he's seen, comes
back, drops them off, getsready to work, goes works a twenty
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four hour shift, comes back.The kids were with him because it was
an extended holiday weekend. They goto the aquarium. He drops the kids
back with Stacey, goes to worktwenty four hours, comes back from work,
picks up the kids to take themto the house. He didn't get
an answer over the next two days, so he asks neighbors to go to
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the house go see if she's inthere. I can't go in. I'm
in hot water with all this.Well, eventually he calls a locksmith and
the neighbors to meet over at Kathleen'shouse. Well, they found her in
a dry bathtub without her clothes.He did have a gold necklace on.
Now, remember this necklace Kathleen hadvisible bruises and a wound on her head,
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and her hair was matted from theblood. But there's no sign of
defensive wounds, no bruising on herarms or hands or anything like that.
Because they're wondering did she fall.Did she fall in the bathtub and hit
her head? But if you fell, you might would have a bruise,
you might would have used your armsor your hands to catch yourself. And
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there was nothing so like if shewas bracing herself for the fall. So
at first, of course they're like, this woman is dead. We need
to look at the husbands. Slashex husband Andrew was looked at as the
number one suspect in Kathleen's death,but Drew and Stacy. Stacy is now
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legal they are now married, saidthat he was at home all night with
her. When they determine the timeof death, Stacy backs him up,
so he has got an alibi.It's around this time that Drew produces a
handwritten will, and in this willit reads that if anything happens to either
Drew or Kathleen, that all themoney and property would go to the surviving
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person. But what Drew did notknow is that she had a published will
done by a lie and his handwrittenone was no longer valid. Oh he
was pissed. I guess he waspissed because it was you know, the
handwritten one was in his handwriting too, So yeah, there's that all right.
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The investigators ruled that the death isan accidental drowning in a dry bathtub.
Okay, so let's let's let's gothrough this totally ignoring the heads.
Yeah, how do you You havea head wound, but it's a drowning
and there's no water. Okay,she did have a little bit of water
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in her lungs, and that iswhat they're clinging to. They they are
saying that because of this. Theydid note there was not a forced entry
into the home, and they theysay this because of the locksmith. Right,
they said the locksmith had to getin, and there's witnesses to the
locksmith being at the house. There'sno murder weapon found in the bathroom or
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the house. Also, we're goingto get to this later. There are
no bath mats in the bathroom likeusually people have bath mats right outside the
tub or under the sink. Sowait a minute, those were never Because
it's striking me as odd now thatwe're that we're hearing this and they say
there's no forced entry. This manhas hulked through the wall, he has
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programmed and garage door opener, andnow suddenly he's calling a Locksmithsy to me,
that is suspicious. Oh absolutely,But remember Drew still a cop,
and he knows what exactly they're goingto be looking for for this forced entry
and what they're going to look forat a crime scene. And what they
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found is a really clean bathroom,really clean, spotless clean, and it
does leap kind of sort of ifyou're just looking at it that it's an
accident. Cause he has told twoof his three wives that if he were
to kill him, not that he'sgoing to, he would make it look
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like an accident. But let's getback to this dry tub. All right.
The tub didn't have a rink aroundit, right, it looked super
clean. Now there was a Idon't know how to describe it, like
a car key, you know howlong a car key is? That much
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blood around the drain that was it. Now her hair is matted because of
all the blood, but there's onlythat little much in the drain, which
is really interesting. Well, andin order for her to have had water
in her lungs, which she did. They did the autopsy and they confirmed
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that there. Where did that comefrom? Then that's an excellent question.
I mean that the implication would bethat now are they trying to say that
like the drain was up and that'show the water drained out of the bathtub.
But then would she have drowned?So there is speculation later on in
the trail, which we'll get to, that said that that tub leaked,
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that it wouldn't hold water long soit would naturally drain on its own,
and since it had been a fewdays, could the water have drained?
But yet that tub was clean.It was really cood. Because if you're
bleeding. Let's say I'm in,I'm in, I'm in the bathtub or
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the shower, and I slip andfall and I hit my head, there
is going to be blood in thewater that's draining, which is going to
show itself around the tub. It'snot going to be a perfectly clean tub
and it's in. They'll look atyour bathtub, where's the sharp edges?
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Well, mine doesn't have sharpened.Exactly what would cause the laceration to the
back of her drain. They're gonnasay the drain, or I'm sorry,
the faucet, they're gonna say thefaucet. I'm just trying to picture a
scenario where I would fall back ina bathtub and hit my head on the
faucet and not leave a dent ora scratch or blood or hair or skin
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the fault on the right and therewas Yeah, that faucet was clean.
There was no skin or DNA.It was a clean interesting. So if
she were to hit her head andthe Devil's advocate she slipped and fell and
there was what because she was takena bath, right, how would she
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fall with such velocity to do thatkind of damage to the back of her
skull. Unless they're saying she wasshowering, which way was she laying?
Do we know which way she waslaying with her head towards the faucet or
was it on the is it end? Let's put a pin in that question
and we'll research it and see.I want to say her from the blurriness
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that her head is facing away fromthe fawcet, like her feet are at
the faster. It's a round tub, it's an oval, tightly compact oval,
and how she's laying is in thefetal position. Interesting, like her
knees are her knees are up,her arms are curled underneath, and she
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on her back and we don't knowbecause we can't she's on her side,
Okay, she's on her side.Okay, we'll try to confirm that her
hud is away from the faucet.But that's what it's looking like for now.
But we'll see if we can confirmthat. So let's move forward a
little bit. So Drew and Stacyare now married. They stayed together,
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they have three kids, and he, by all accounts, says that he
spoiled her. He pay for herto get braces, a Tommy tuck,
a boob job, and now they'vegot five kids in the home, right,
because they've got three kids together andthen the two from the previous marriage.
Now soon into the marriage, hebecomes very jealous and he starts tracking
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Stacy's movements. He becomes very controllingover her, and she starts to rebel.
She's pushing back, and she goesto her family and says, I
think that I'm gonna leave. Ithink that I'm out of this. And
this was in October of two thousandand seven. Well, just days later,
on October twenty eighth of two thousandand seven, Stacy is missing without
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a trace. She has not calledanyone. There is nothing to indicate that
she packed up and left the house. She was supposed to go over to
her sister's house to help her sisterpaint. She never showed up. Now
to hear Drew tell it, hecomes home from his overnight shift around five
thirty in the morning, Stacy said, I'm gonna be out shopping and running
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errands when you get home. Whenhe wakes up, she's gone. He
tells her family that she left withanother man and lets him with all the
kids. Drew says, she calledhim and said she's getting on a plane
at the airport with another guy,and he goes to the airport to try
to save it, but she's alreadygone, and so he gets her car
and drives the car back home.Her family's not buying it. Nothing is
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charged to her bank cards, herphone is not being used, no text,
no phone calls, and they're like, something is wrong. Now she
actually gets reported missing by her sisterbecause her sister's like this, this is
not lining up. This is notwho my sister is. I don't believe
anything that Drew says. This beginsthe man hunt to find this young mom.
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Her sister is vocal. She isout there, she is naceous,
she is getting her voice heard.She didn't rely just on the police.
She goes to the news stations.She lays it all out. Her family
is working with the media and thestate police. They're like, not messing
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with the local, We're going tostate. The bowling Brook Police that's where
Drew worked. Passes the case offto state police because Drew is one of
their own and if it looks likethey're showing him any favoritism, and quite
frankly, God, at this yeah, at this point, Bowling Birth is
sick of them. They are absolutelysick. Well, he's a freaking lie
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beauty for them. My gosh,they're having to cover up way too much.
And it's about time that they hadto pass something off that's ridiculous.
I mean, affairs and being ajerk is one thing, but now you've
got one wife dead and another onemissing, and they're trying to distance themselves.
Well, and let's talk about someof this after Stacy goes missing,
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because and I hate to bring itback up. But I see so many
parallels in this case between Scott Petersonand Drew Peterson. So at first Drew
stayed in his home. He isnot talking to media, he's not getting
interviews. But then a few daysinto this whole media frenzy because it blows
up because again it's a young momdisappeared without a trace. You've got the
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sister who is not backing down,and he does something really odd. He
starts calling reporters one by one tocome into his home to give them an
interview. This is exactly what Scottdid. He called that Gloria Gomez and
came to the home. And it'sbecause they've got to control the narrative.
At that point, the narrative isnot going their way and they have got
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to try to control it. Soin several interviews, he's laughing, he's
smiling, he seems to be enjoyingthe attention. Meanwhile, his wife,
who he says has just left himwith five kids, is missing. To
the point it is so okay,I have to control myself here. I
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watched several of these. I've seenso many interviews where he's walking out of
his house and you have all themedia there. They're like, drude,
you know, what's your comment?And he is so arrogant, and the
way he talks and he's laughing,and he's like, Oho, what about
this. You know you can't seeme now, Or he did say,
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hey, I'm getting in the car. My kids are in the car.
Don't film them now. He didsay that. I totally respect that,
But the way he was talking aboutStacy, Yeah, she just left me
for another man. I don't knowwhy you're doing this. It It just
infuriates me so much to watch thosevideos, well, just to see the
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arrogance. Is she really going toleave you for another man and not contact
her family, not contact her children. If she was gonna leave you for
another man, she would have justleft you. She told her family,
I think I'm gonna leave, meaningI'm gonna leave the marriage, not y'all,
the state, my kids, notthat you know. If she was,
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she could have easily gotten out ofjust the marriage if she wanted to,
and still been with another man.So in she would have definitely gone
to our sisters, absolutely, handsdown. Her sister was like one of
those rock type personalities that if somethinghappened to Stacy, she could have been
there with her kids. Yeah,so in some of the interviews he actually
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paused them so he could talk tohis lawyer. Not a horrible thing there,
probably a good call. But thenhe also would spend a lot of
time on the phone with his publicityagent, which that's a weird thing to
have in the middle of a missingperson's investigation. Is a publicity agent.
And yeah, not the picture ofa grieving and distraught husband. I mean,
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we've talked about it. He's crackingjokes, he's laughed, and he
told Larry King that Stacy was probablythat Stacy probably quote ran off with some
guy dancing and she loved male attention. So he's kinda I mean, this
guy is cheated on every wipe he'sbeen with. And now he's flipping the
script again, trying to control thatnarrative. But here's the thing. Stacy
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had no pattern of running away.This is not something she did even as
a teen. She's a grown womannow. And Drew denied all of the
abuse and claimed that it was allin Stacy's head and he said that she
was under medication for her mental health. So he straight up just said she's
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imagining abuse that other wives other womenhave also reported, but it's all her
mental health. So what is notpublished in the media is that Stacy had
met with a divorce attorney just weeksbefore she disappeared. So when she had
told her family just days before shewas serious she was going to divorce him,
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So why go to a divorce lawyer? Why go to your family and
say I'm leaving him through a divorcemethod? It then just disappeared. It
doesn't mean you know what this onereminds me of. And I just made
the connection. Is that recent casewhere remember I fell into the rabbit hole
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with the pastor's wife where she tookher life, But then the preacher was
on stage talking like announced it atthe end of his sermon, but he
was like preaching the next day aftershe took her life, and she had
filed for divorce a few weeks earlier, and he said it was because of
her mental health conditions and she hadn'tbeen taken her medicine. And that just
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clicked with me, and I'm like, oh my god, is that is
this a thing? Is this it'sa playbook? It is an absolute playbook.
I mean the fact that you keepgoing younger and younger and younger.
But this preacher did too because hewas married before and he had or he
was married to Micah and he hada young girlfriend that came out of the
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woodworks after she died. Like,now that I'm thinking about it, what
what the heck? I'm like,oh my god. And now you know,
they say that that that Micah didactually take her own life, but
there are people who question how thathappened, and anyway, that's a whole
other case. But I'm just there'sso many parallels here with other things that
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I'm just I'm just having a moment. Nope, no worries. Well,
the police had their moment too,right because investigators decided to reopen Kathleen's case
just weeks after Stacy went missing.So Stacy goes missing, They're like,
you know what, this guy,let's let's look at all this well because
it's another another department now, sosomeone's finally like, wait, something's wrong.
(43:00):
The state police was like, whatare what have you been doing?
What have you been doing? Now? We have one dead, one missing.
There was red flags from the momenthe was demoted to patrol. There's
something going on with this guy,and y'all just completely ignored it. Now,
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it could have been the DA's officetoo, trying to save face,
because remember they got the letter yearsyears years ago and they did nothing.
So they decided to take a secondlook and saw that the first go around,
the police went into it with thelens of this is an accident before
they even got through the door.And we'll get through this during the witnesses
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that this could not have been amurder because one of us protect our own,
you know, you go in.It didn't really happen a lot here,
and that we'll get to that too. But they were all automatically just
assuming and trying to fit the piecesthat they saw into it. Now,
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they exhumed Kathleen's body in November oftwo thousand and seven and completed a second
optopsy. They ran test they didn'tduring the first go round. So what
they find is the same first andforemost head trauma, water in her lungs.
But they also found that no surfacein the bathroom could have caused the
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kind of injury and fall in thebathroom. Okay, coming from somebody who
is completely non graceful, I havefallen down the stairs several times of my
own accord. Yes, I have. Nobody was home and I should not
wear socks on woodstairs or carry yourcomputer down cement stairs at work. But
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who is who's who's counting? Carryon? Yeah? Did that too.
The first thing that I do whenI fall, which is a lot my
hands go straight down and a littlebit of out right because you're trying to
brace yourself, so you're gonna havethe bruises. I know I did on
the palms of my hand, andevery single one of those steps on my
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arms because you're you're gonna slam yourhand down. There was none of that
on Kathleen's body. It was like, try to fall without moving your arms
and tucking them in and letting yourhead get the end. That's just not
human nature. That that's not humanbeing in the fetal position is interesting,
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Yeah, because usually when you fall, you kind of splay out because you're
trying to catch yourself. Your armsare out. I don't think anyone's buying
that accident though. Yeah, allright. So, Also, the lack
of force entry indicates that someone waslet in or had access hmm, maybe
the garage maybe, or the bighole in the garage where the plaster used
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to be think about that all right. Now the death is classified from accidental
drowning. Finally we have a homicide. They finally deem it a homicide after
years. So now the attention ischanging, it's shifting. So all this
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attentions on Stacy, Where's Stacy,Where's Stacy? And this news breaks,
the exclamation breaks, the second autopsynews breaks. It's a lot on Drew
right now, and it's all comingat him at both ends. So when
we come back in our next episode, we're gonna get into the ridiculous interviews
(46:45):
he gives, just absolutely ridiculous.It's gonna make you mad, it's gonna
make it it's very, very cringe. And we're gonna talk about the Dating
Game that Oh if you don't missthat episode to the Dating Game, it's
worth it, I promise you.But we're gonna enit here. And we're
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a new series sort of episode.Yeah, we'll go with that, and
this is part of High Profile wherewe are going to be talking about the
other Peterson. Yeah, so itactually kind of happened as a joke,
but we were talking in our discordserver about obviously the Scott Peterson case,
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which we just came off the heelsof, and you know, somebody was
like, wait, was that Scott? Was that Drew? Was that Michael?
Because there's a bunch of Peterson's.There's like this whole thing with Peterson's
in the true crime world. Andthen we got to joking that, oh,
we should just do a whole serieson the Petersons and just do like
the Peterson Files. And we jokedabout it, but then we actually decided
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to kind of do it. Exceptwe don't think we're gonna do Michael just
because it's like there's just so soso much out there on Michael, the
you know, staircase and all that, but we are going to cover Drew.
So that is why we are heretonight is to talk about the high
profile case of Drew Peterson, yetanother Peterson that's got a lot going on,
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all right. So Drew was justyour typical all American. He grew
up in that lifestyle. His parentswere known to be tough. His dad
was a marine, but Drew didn'trebel against this. He actually did quite
well under the strict routine growing upthat way, and he seemed to be
very well balanced, and he wasathletic. At seventeen, he even got
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his pilot license, and he wasa part of the Illinoi High school track
cross country team. So in nineteenseventy two, he joins the army,
kind of following his dad's footsteps inthe military. Now, his time in
the Army, believe it or not, is highly decorated. You know,
there's a lot of people that wetalk about that have been former military that
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have been discharged for this or that. He was actually a part of a
very high select team of the militarypolice that protected presidents in foreign nationals.
So he is still in the Armyand he is dating his high school sweetheart,
Carol. They go to prom together, and nineteen seventy seven rolls around.
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He gets out of the Army andhe gets a job as a policeman
at the Bolingbrook Police Department. Itactually didn't take long for him to get
promoted to the rank of sergeant.He's dedicated, he's hard working, he's
really putting in the effort that ittakes to get moved up. And he
does a good job as sergeant aswell, because in nineteen seventy nine he
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was awarded Policeman of the Year andwith his record, he was able to
move over to the Narcotics division andhe went into undercover narcotics. So essentially,
in a way, at this pointhe is now living a double life
because he is having to go undercover. So Drew and Carrol get married,
and Carol said that Drew was actuallynot the best husband, not by a
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long shot. Actually he was neverviolent, but he wasn't really mean.
Drew and his police buddies would writeparking tickets for Carol. Yes, they
kind of bullied her in a sensebecause they never put the tickets on her
car, nor was she parked towhere she could be legitimized getting a ticket.
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She had no clue. These ticketsare just piling up and highling up.
Soon a warrant was issued for herarrest and it was Drew that picked
her up and arrested his own wife, and that's kind of messed up.
Later, the judge looks at thisand goes, come on now, so
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all of it gets dropped. Butduring his undercover work, he met and
had an affair with another woman.Carol finds out about this, and she
fills for divorce in nineteen eighty Shedidn't file for divorce when she was getting
those parking tickets and her husband arrestedher. It took another woman for her
to divorce them. Carol was ableto retain custody of the kids, so
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Drew's essentially now a free man.Later, she would say, in two
thousand and seven, after his stringof wives and disappearances and debts, that
she would have never in a millionyears expect this from Drew. Yes,
he was just outright mean, buthe would but she would never expect him
to go that far. And ifyou're not very familiar with the Drew Peterson
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story, not it's in our highprofile series because so you might be.
But that's a little hint of what'sto come right there. So in nineteen
eighty two, this is just twoyears after the divorce, Drew decides to
try again with love and he marriesVicky Conley. Okay, so now we
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talked about how Carol said he's nota great husband. He wasn't physical,
but he was just a jerk.Well, unfortunately this was not the case
with Vicky. There was violence againstVicky that started out quote unquote small,
and it continued to escalate. Vickyrecalled that Drew pointed his gun at her
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on three separate occasions, and hewas just in general, very violent towards
her. He went as far astelling her that he could kill her and
make it look like an accident.So his home life is a little shaky
here, right, and that startsto bleed over into his work. So
in nineteen eighty five, the policedepartment actually fired him. Remember he's got
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this whole good career built up sofar, and this was for not reporting
a bribe, dealing the drugs thathe was supposed to be confiscating, and
misconduct. So he is working innarcotics and whatever he is collecting out on
the streets, he is then selling. So in the grand jury indictment,
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yes they did indict him, thepolice department claims that he orchestrated the drug
deal in exchange for information. Sothis whole bribe and all that they're saying
that he is the one who actuallyorchestrated it. The charges were eventually dropped
and he was demoted to a patrolcop. Big ego, blow to him,
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right, because he's sergeant. Heis Policeman of the Year. And
because of this, he and Vickyhad to move to a smaller home because
he was bringing in less money.They bought and ran Spud's bar together to
help, you know, to compensatefor the loss of income. Vicky is
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burying the brunt of his anger atthis point. So you know, he
had again Policeman of the Year.He protected presidents, he protected foreign dignitaries.
He's a beat cop. So Vicky'sten year old daughter came from a
previous relationship. Her daughter would saythat the marriage is both physical and mentally
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abusive. Drew had allegedly put listeningbugs all throughout the home, you know,
on the phones, to try tocatch Vicky cheating. Now, remember
he cheated on his first wife andnow he feels his second wife is cheating
on him. Not only that,but Vicky gets into a serious car wreck.
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Remember how he said he was gonnamake it look like an accident.
Well, that spurs a ton ofrumors that Drew allegedly tampered with the brakes
of the car which made her wreck. The brakes were cut and the car
flipped multiple times. This car accidentput her in a coma and she needed
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reconstructive surgery. While she's in thecoma, Drew places the bar completely under
his name. He totally takes heroff, kills all of her income.
He stole her half. Not onlythat, he serves her divorce papers when
she wakes up. She's in abad relationship. She wakes up to find
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divorce papers in her lap. Probablydoesn't even realize what happened before she could
even you know, wow, that'sterrible. So he's still married to Vicki.
And the reason he serves her withthese divorce papers is because he met
Kathleen Savio. Now, Kathleen isvery bubbly, smart, outgoing, so
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he's intrigued by Kathleen. And Kathleengrew up in a very poor home.
Her biological dad wasn't really around,he did not pay child support, and
they were just kind of left ofhim for themselves from an early age.
So when she met Drew, itwas intriguing. It was it was stable.
He had a job, he hada house. So the couple was
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engaged for six months after the firstdate and married just months after the divorce
was finalized. So May third,nineteen ninety two, just two months after
the divorce was final Kathleen and Drewgot married. Kathleen and Drew originally met
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on a blind date. Yes,he was blind dating while still married.
And his wife's nacoma by the way, Okay, so you haven't forgotten about
that one. Now, on thevery first date, he did something so
romantic. I mean, it isabove and beyond. He gives her a
picture of himself in uniform, Likethat is the skiff he could think of,
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not flowers, not chocolates. Buthere, let me present you a
picture of myself. Look how goodI look in uniform. Kathleen just laughs
it off. Then she realized hewas married. Didn't stop, didn't stop
right there? He said he wasin the process of getting divorced. Don't
they all though, don't they all? And then she realized, sly,
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well, VICKI does not know aboutKathleen. Kathleen is very young. She
saw this guy who had a home, a career, a family. She
was eager to settle down. Shewas eager to have this father figure in
her life, and she fell inlove. You know, this is the
first quote unquote stable person that shehas dated, and she sees a way
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out of where she is currently.They have their first day married several months
after the divorce goes through. Assoon as they were married, he automatically
begins to be violent with her.It did not take long. You know,
the first wife he was, thesecond one started building and building and
building. This one he just goesin rings on her finger. They say,
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I do, and he becomes angryand violent. So Drew, as
you can kind of tell up tothis point, was a man who liked
to go and live freely. SoKathleen had their two sons, and he
is now forced into fatherhood again andhe is resenting it again now that this
is not these are not his firstchildren. But he would start telling her
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that she was fat, she lookedlike a dog, she's ugly, and
just verbally and mentally berating her.So eighteen total times the police were called
out for domestic disturbances, and mostof the time they did not write a
report. Now, why would theydo this, Well, let's just remember
who Drew Peterson is and where heworks and what he does. This was
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a quote professional courtesy one time Savio. She did go to the er with
a cut to her head and bruises. She told the er doctors at the
time that she just fell and hither head, but ultimately we find out
later that he had beaten her againstthe table. But with the injuries she
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came in with, it wasn't hardto see that she didn't just fall and
do that. It was pretty severeinjuries. So he's starting to escalate with
the violence, and he is gettingaway with it. Even years later in
jail, he denies ever doing anythingto his wife to hurt her, like
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years later when he is in jail. Now we're going to move to early
two thousand, the young families livingin the suburbs of Chicago. Everything on
the outside looks picture perfect, right. She is keeping up the fasall with
all of her friends. Everything's okay, wearing heavy makeup, hiding the bruises.
She's trying to keep it from thekids, But inside she is just
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absolutely miserable. In two thousand andone, Peterson forty seven. Remember he
is forty seven years old, startshaving an affair with Stacy Kele's Stacy is
seventeen. You heard that right,seventeen. So ever since wife number one
he has been backtracking the ages,so he keeps going younger and younger.
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Kathleen was super young too. Now, she was a little bit older than
seventeen at the time, but Stacyseventeen. Stacy was working as a clerk
in one of the local hotels.Towards the end of the marriage with Kathleen,
Peterson started to sneak Stacy into thebasement of their home. This is
where he had the affair with her. He slept with her, she stayed
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there red under his wife's nose.Now he took this really young girl and
sneaks her into the home while hisson's and his wife are sleeping upstairs.
Leot that hit home for a second. He brings his mistress in. Kathleen
learns about this affair a few monthslater, so he gets away with it
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a lot, but when she finallyrealizes it is when she receives an anonymous
letter not to mention. Seventeen yearold Stacy is now pregnant with Drew's child.
This letter. We don't know wherethis letter came from, and it's
a crazy letter. Kathley knows thatshe cannot turn to anyone for help because
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she has tried to call the policeeighteen times. They've even been there.
She has gone to the er wherethe doctor understands that this is not a
fall, but nothing's happening. Sothey're either all going to be on Drew's
side or stay quiet to avoid theconfrontation with Drew at his workplace. This
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letter is a little bit lengthy,but is super important. The letter starts
off, Kathy, this letter's beingsent to you for your benefit. At
this point in time, you're probablyaware that your husband is having an affair.
The girl's name is Stacy born Julyseventeenth, nineteen eighty four and resides
at and she gives Stacy's physical address, so she knows everything about this girl.
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You may already have all this information, but if not, you will
need it to prevent any further embarrassmentand disgrace to you and your family.
This affair has been going on forseveral months, and several people have been
made aware of the situation because ofher age, seventeen, the fact that
she is an employee of the villageand because of Drew's age and his occupation,
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he holds a position of authority overher. Drew could be charged criminally
for his intimate involvement with this minor. Village officials, mayor trustees, and
everyone at the police department have completeknowledge of this situation. It has been
an ongoing joke within the department.The issue has been discussed and it has
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been decided to conceal his behavior toprotect the village and Drew. Because of
his political alliances with Roger Claire andKeen each they are protecting themselves from the
embarrassment and the liability. They're realvictims, being You and your family should
be the ones being protected from theembarrassment. This is not the first time
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in the past that Drew's im moraland unethical behavior have been concealed. This
past summer, Drew allowed the beatingof an arrestee who was handcuffed and defenseless.
The past fall, Drew was suspectedof having planted narcotics cocaine on two
suspected drug raids to obtain a substantialarrest to overshadow his recent behavior and now
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his illegal intimate relationship with a minor. Drew has been willing to sacrifice his
integrity for personal gain with total disregardas actions will embar and disrespect his wife
and children. Beware whom you talkto within the village administration and within the
police department. In other words,mayor chief, deputy chief, protect yourself
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and your family. That's a lotof information to digest. So what we're
gonna do is we're going to takea quick promo bank and we'll be right
back in just a moment. Allright, guys, welcome back. So
we just heard this extremely long letter, right we're talking about this person is
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calling Drew out on handcuffing, plantingdrugs, knowing who knows about it.
So, I mean, where areyour thoughts? Where did this letter come
from? It couldn't have been afriend because they wouldn't have known all the
stuff that this letter described. Tome, it's pretty obvious that it's somebody
within the police department. And Ithought that even before it really alluded to
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that, like even even before itsaid, hey, it's a joke within
the apartment. You know, it'snot the first time it's been concealed at
that point, I feel like itwas obvious, But I wondered it as
early on when it started saying becauseof Drew's age and occupation, he holds
a position of authority, he couldbe charged criminally. It just sounded very
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legal. It sounded very POLICEI ish, I'm wondering it does read like a
mail road it because a gaul wasgoing to be like, look he bumping
around with somebody, ask this wasa very formal, and it was very
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professional. It was It was veryprofessional. So I have there's no doubt
in my mind that it was somebodywithin the police department who's whistleblowing in their
own way. They see it beingcovered up and they say, this is
not the first time his actions havebeen covered up. So yeah, to
me, it just seems kind ofobvious. Somebody's uncomfortable with them covering for
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him. So she does confront Drewand he blows up. Her sister claims
that Kathleen called her and told herthat Drew slammed her against the fridge with
his hand around her throat. Hedenies that this ever happened. He's denied
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everything so far, and by springof two thousand and two, Drew moved
out of the house and into anew home with Stacy Kele's just down the
street. This does not stop Kathleenand Drew from fighting. Kathleen is going
for half of Drew's retirement pension andchild support to help get her through the
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remaining years she has left in nursingschool. Good for her, So Drew
would be seen roller blading past Kathleen'shouse shooting her the bird, like how
old are you? And he needsto getting close to fifty at this point,
fifty years old rollerblading shooting birds athis ex wife's house. Right,
yeah, you're you're a child,sir. And the divorce was ugly because
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again she's fighting for child support.He doesn't want any part of it.
She's not going to give up now. During this time, the police are
called several more times for domestic abusesomewhere against her and some were actually against
him. So one time he hadmanaged to break through the dry wall in
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the garage to try to get intothe home. Dude hulked into the wall
and busted into the house and atthis point she had to file for a
protective order. On July fifth,two thousand and two, Drew had enough
and broke into Kathleen's home at eleventhirty in the morning. He had taken
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the garage door opener and used itto enter the home. He still believes
his house is his. He's treatingit as his. He's going in and
out as he pleases. Now here'sthe kicker. He had used the garage
door and he programmed it so whenKathleen was out of town that way he
could just he had it. Itwas like a spare key. He would
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just go in and hit the buttonand he has complete access to it.
Drew hid in the living room waitingfor her to arrive home. He had
waited until she was walking down thestairs with the laundry basket, so he
had been in there for a bit. She claims. He is wearing his
SWAT uniform, leather gloves and apolice radio in his ear. He is
(21:33):
suited up. He means business.He begins yelling at her to sit down,
be quiet, and he pushes herto sit down on the stairs.
He forced her to get on thethird step, told her do not speak,
do not move, and he wasangry because the court was awarding her
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child's apart and he was just flatout refusing to pay her a dime.
He did not want to pay atall. So this is when Drew actually
pulls out a knife and puts itagainst Kathleen's neck. She looks him dead
in the eyes and says, dowhat you came for, kill me,
And he puts the knife against herneck, but he could not kill her.
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Then when he did finally leave aroundone point thirty, of course,
she calls the police. And whenthe police came after what we talked about
in that letter, not a bigshocker, although it should be, but
the police sided with Drew again dueto his position at the police department.
Well, Kathleen is like, whatam I supposed to do? My ex
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husband just had a knife to myneck. No one will help me.
She feels threatened. She has nowhereto go, so she writes a letter
to the assistant state's attorney asking forhelp. And in the letter she's describing
the events of what happened when hebroke into the home, took the garage
door opener, had the swatsuit onand all that. And she also told
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the attorney that her children were undergoingtreatment at the school called Rainbows to help
them work through it, so basically, you know, counseling and therapy for
the kids. So she also talkedabout how Drew and Stacy would roll her
blade several times to her house.They're both stopping, they're both flipping her
off, and she's begging to knowwhy Drew was threatening her life and beating
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her and never seems to have chargesfiled against him. Very valid question.
She goes on to warn them thateither Drew is going to manipulate the system
to take her kids or take herlife. In the letter, there was
a police report, one that actuallyfinally got filed, but this one had
Drew's account of what happened. Now, he claims Kathleen had invited him over
(23:48):
to talk about some of the divorceissues. He walked over to the house
and entered the house through the garage. He called out to Kathleen, met
her on the stairway where they bothjust sat and talked in chat about the
divorce. After about three hours ofchety chat, Katherine stood up exposed her
breast and pubic area to him,asking if he missed it. Then when
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he declines the overt offer, shebecame angry and walked out. So she
technically displayed her body and just stormedout. Now he said that he wore
a black sweatshirt, blue jeans,and black sneaking. Question. It says
that in this letter was a policereport. Did she send them Drew's version
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or did they pull Drew's version?The police report was actually filed when the
whole situation happened. It had herstatement in his statement that was in the
police had Drew's with it. Itwasn't just drews I see okay. So
this letter that she sent was neveranswered, no action was taken. So
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a year and a half later,Monday, Martin, first of four,
she is not answering her door whenDrew. Drew had spent the day at
the local aquarium with the boys anddrove them to Kathleen's house. Afterwards,
he went to Krispy Kreme. Hereturned home and Stacy made breakfast, so
(25:17):
at eleven o'clock they left headed tothe shed aquarium. Drew said they returned
at approximately four fifteen. He likedto be prepared for work by five pm,
and he didn't have to go towork that day until five thirty,
so when he arrived home the nextmorning, he attempted to take the kids
back, so he's setting up hisalibi. The day that he knocks on
(25:41):
the door, nothing happens. Hegoes and gets Krispy Kreme and Stacey Cook's
breakfast for the kids. This isobviously, I guess he didn't want to
you. And this is before fourknocks on her door. Right. He
takes the kids, go to theaquarium, make sure he's seen, comes
back, drops them off, getsready to work, goes works a twenty
(26:02):
four hour shift, comes back.The kids were with him because it was
an extended holiday weekend. They goto the aquarium. He drops the kids
back with Stacey, goes to worktwenty four hours, comes back from work,
picks up the kids to take themto the house. He didn't get
an answer over the next two days, so he asks neighbors to go to
(26:22):
the house go see if she's inthere. I can't go in. I'm
in hot water with all this.Well, eventually he calls a locksmith and
the neighbors to meet over at Kathleen'shouse. Well, they found her in
a dry bathtub without her clothes.He did have a gold necklace on.
Now, remember this necklace Kathleen hadvisible bruises and a wound on her head,
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and her hair was matted from theblood. But there's no sign of
defensive wounds, no bruising on herarms or hands or anything like that.
Because they're wondering did she fall.Did she fall in the bathtub and hit
her head? But if you fell, you might would have a bruise,
you might would have used your armsor your hands to catch yourself. And
(27:06):
there was nothing so like if shewas bracing herself for the fall. So
at first, of course they're like, this woman is dead. We need
to look at the husbands. Slashex husband Andrew was looked at as the
number one suspect in Kathleen's death,but Drew and Stacy. Stacy is now
(27:29):
legal they are now married, saidthat he was at home all night with
her. When they determine the timeof death, Stacy backs him up,
so he has got an alibi.It's around this time that Drew produces a
handwritten will, and in this willit reads that if anything happens to either
Drew or Kathleen, that all themoney and property would go to the surviving
(27:52):
person. But what Drew did notknow is that she had a published will
done by a lie and his handwrittenone was no longer valid. Oh he
was pissed. I guess he waspissed because it was you know, the
handwritten one was in his handwriting too, So yeah, there's that all right.
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The investigators ruled that the death isan accidental drowning in a dry bathtub.
Okay, so let's let's let's gothrough this totally ignoring the heads.
Yeah, how do you You havea head wound, but it's a drowning
and there's no water. Okay,she did have a little bit of water
(28:37):
in her lungs, and that iswhat they're clinging to. They they are
saying that because of this. Theydid note there was not a forced entry
into the home, and they theysay this because of the locksmith. Right,
they said the locksmith had to getin, and there's witnesses to the
locksmith being at the house. There'sno murder weapon found in the bathroom or
(29:00):
the house. Also, we're goingto get to this later. There are
no bath mats in the bathroom likeusually people have bath mats right outside the
tub or under the sink. Sowait a minute, those were never Because
it's striking me as odd now thatwe're that we're hearing this and they say
there's no forced entry. This manhas hulked through the wall, he has
(29:22):
programmed and garage door opener, andnow suddenly he's calling a Locksmithsy to me,
that is suspicious. Oh absolutely,But remember Drew still a cop,
and he knows what exactly they're goingto be looking for for this forced entry
and what they're going to look forat a crime scene. And what they
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found is a really clean bathroom,really clean, spotless clean, and it
does leap kind of sort of ifyou're just looking at it that it's an
accident. Cause he has told twoof his three wives that if he were
to kill him, not that he'sgoing to, he would make it look
(30:07):
like an accident. But let's getback to this dry tub. All right.
The tub didn't have a rink aroundit, right, it looked super
clean. Now there was a Idon't know how to describe it, like
a car key, you know howlong a car key is? That much
(30:30):
blood around the drain that was it. Now her hair is matted because of
all the blood, but there's onlythat little much in the drain, which
is really interesting. Well, andin order for her to have had water
in her lungs, which she did. They did the autopsy and they confirmed
(30:52):
that there. Where did that comefrom? Then that's an excellent question.
I mean that the implication would bethat now are they trying to say that
like the drain was up and that'show the water drained out of the bathtub.
But then would she have drowned?So there is speculation later on in
the trail, which we'll get to, that said that that tub leaked,
(31:15):
that it wouldn't hold water long soit would naturally drain on its own,
and since it had been a fewdays, could the water have drained?
But yet that tub was clean.It was really cood. Because if you're
bleeding. Let's say I'm in,I'm in, I'm in the bathtub or
(31:36):
the shower, and I slip andfall and I hit my head, there
is going to be blood in thewater that's draining, which is going to
show itself around the tub. It'snot going to be a perfectly clean tub
and it's in. They'll look atyour bathtub, where's the sharp edges?
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Well, mine doesn't have sharpened.Exactly what would cause the laceration to the
back of her drain. They're gonnasay the drain, or I'm sorry,
the faucet, they're gonna say thefaucet. I'm just trying to picture a
scenario where I would fall back ina bathtub and hit my head on the
faucet and not leave a dent ora scratch or blood or hair or skin
(32:22):
the fault on the right and therewas Yeah, that faucet was clean.
There was no skin or DNA.It was a clean interesting. So if
she were to hit her head andthe Devil's advocate she slipped and fell and
there was what because she was takena bath, right, how would she
(32:45):
fall with such velocity to do thatkind of damage to the back of her
skull. Unless they're saying she wasshowering, which way was she laying?
Do we know which way she waslaying with her head towards the faucet or
was it on the is it end? Let's put a pin in that question
and we'll research it and see.I want to say her from the blurriness
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that her head is facing away fromthe fawcet, like her feet are at
the faster. It's a round tub, it's an oval, tightly compact oval,
and how she's laying is in thefetal position. Interesting, like her
knees are her knees are up,her arms are curled underneath, and she
(33:30):
on her back and we don't knowbecause we can't she's on her side,
Okay, she's on her side.Okay, we'll try to confirm that her
hud is away from the faucet.But that's what it's looking like for now.
But we'll see if we can confirmthat. So let's move forward a
little bit. So Drew and Stacyare now married. They stayed together,
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they have three kids, and he, by all accounts, says that he
spoiled her. He pay for herto get braces, a Tommy tuck,
a boob job, and now they'vegot five kids in the home, right,
because they've got three kids together andthen the two from the previous marriage.
Now soon into the marriage, hebecomes very jealous and he starts tracking
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Stacy's movements. He becomes very controllingover her, and she starts to rebel.
She's pushing back, and she goesto her family and says, I
think that I'm gonna leave. Ithink that I'm out of this. And
this was in October of two thousandand seven. Well, just days later,
on October twenty eighth of two thousandand seven, Stacy is missing without
(34:39):
a trace. She has not calledanyone. There is nothing to indicate that
she packed up and left the house. She was supposed to go over to
her sister's house to help her sisterpaint. She never showed up. Now
to hear Drew tell it, hecomes home from his overnight shift around five
thirty in the morning, Stacy said, I'm gonna be out shopping and running
(35:02):
errands when you get home. Whenhe wakes up, she's gone. He
tells her family that she left withanother man and lets him with all the
kids. Drew says, she calledhim and said she's getting on a plane
at the airport with another guy,and he goes to the airport to try
to save it, but she's alreadygone, and so he gets her car
and drives the car back home.Her family's not buying it. Nothing is
(35:25):
charged to her bank cards, herphone is not being used, no text,
no phone calls, and they're like, something is wrong. Now she
actually gets reported missing by her sisterbecause her sister's like this, this is
not lining up. This is notwho my sister is. I don't believe
anything that Drew says. This beginsthe man hunt to find this young mom.
(35:53):
Her sister is vocal. She isout there, she is naceous,
she is getting her voice heard.She didn't rely just on the police.
She goes to the news stations.She lays it all out. Her family
is working with the media and thestate police. They're like, not messing
(36:14):
with the local, We're going tostate. The bowling Brook Police that's where
Drew worked. Passes the case offto state police because Drew is one of
their own and if it looks likethey're showing him any favoritism, and quite
frankly, God, at this yeah, at this point, Bowling Birth is
sick of them. They are absolutelysick. Well, he's a freaking lie
(36:36):
beauty for them. My gosh,they're having to cover up way too much.
And it's about time that they hadto pass something off that's ridiculous.
I mean, affairs and being ajerk is one thing, but now you've
got one wife dead and another onemissing, and they're trying to distance themselves.
Well, and let's talk about someof this after Stacy goes missing,
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because and I hate to bring itback up. But I see so many
parallels in this case between Scott Petersonand Drew Peterson. So at first Drew
stayed in his home. He isnot talking to media, he's not getting
interviews. But then a few daysinto this whole media frenzy because it blows
up because again it's a young momdisappeared without a trace. You've got the
(37:23):
sister who is not backing down,and he does something really odd. He
starts calling reporters one by one tocome into his home to give them an
interview. This is exactly what Scottdid. He called that Gloria Gomez and
came to the home. And it'sbecause they've got to control the narrative.
At that point, the narrative isnot going their way and they have got
(37:45):
to try to control it. Soin several interviews, he's laughing, he's
smiling, he seems to be enjoyingthe attention. Meanwhile, his wife,
who he says has just left himwith five kids, is missing. To
the point it is so okay,I have to control myself here. I
(38:08):
watched several of these. I've seenso many interviews where he's walking out of
his house and you have all themedia there. They're like, drude,
you know, what's your comment?And he is so arrogant, and the
way he talks and he's laughing,and he's like, Oho, what about
this. You know you can't seeme now, Or he did say,
(38:30):
hey, I'm getting in the car. My kids are in the car.
Don't film them now. He didsay that. I totally respect that,
But the way he was talking aboutStacy, Yeah, she just left me
for another man. I don't knowwhy you're doing this. It It just
infuriates me so much to watch thosevideos, well, just to see the
(38:52):
arrogance. Is she really going toleave you for another man and not contact
her family, not contact her children. If she was gonna leave you for
another man, she would have justleft you. She told her family,
I think I'm gonna leave, meaningI'm gonna leave the marriage, not y'all,
the state, my kids, notthat you know. If she was,
(39:13):
she could have easily gotten out ofjust the marriage if she wanted to,
and still been with another man.So in she would have definitely gone
to our sisters, absolutely, handsdown. Her sister was like one of
those rock type personalities that if somethinghappened to Stacy, she could have been
there with her kids. Yeah,so in some of the interviews he actually
(39:35):
paused them so he could talk tohis lawyer. Not a horrible thing there,
probably a good call. But thenhe also would spend a lot of
time on the phone with his publicityagent, which that's a weird thing to
have in the middle of a missingperson's investigation. Is a publicity agent.
And yeah, not the picture ofa grieving and distraught husband. I mean,
(39:57):
we've talked about it. He's crackingjokes, he's laughed, and he
told Larry King that Stacy was probablythat Stacy probably quote ran off with some
guy dancing and she loved male attention. So he's kinda I mean, this
guy is cheated on every wipe he'sbeen with. And now he's flipping the
script again, trying to control thatnarrative. But here's the thing. Stacy
(40:22):
had no pattern of running away.This is not something she did even as
a teen. She's a grown womannow. And Drew denied all of the
abuse and claimed that it was allin Stacy's head and he said that she
was under medication for her mental health. So he straight up just said she's
(40:43):
imagining abuse that other wives other womenhave also reported, but it's all her
mental health. So what is notpublished in the media is that Stacy had
met with a divorce attorney just weeksbefore she disappeared. So when she had
told her family just days before shewas serious she was going to divorce him,
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So why go to a divorce lawyer? Why go to your family and
say I'm leaving him through a divorcemethod? It then just disappeared. It
doesn't mean you know what this onereminds me of. And I just made
the connection. Is that recent casewhere remember I fell into the rabbit hole
(41:29):
with the pastor's wife where she tookher life, But then the preacher was
on stage talking like announced it atthe end of his sermon, but he
was like preaching the next day aftershe took her life, and she had
filed for divorce a few weeks earlier, and he said it was because of
her mental health conditions and she hadn'tbeen taken her medicine. And that just
(41:52):
clicked with me, and I'm like, oh my god, is that is
this a thing? Is this it'sa playbook? It is an absolute playbook.
I mean the fact that you keepgoing younger and younger and younger.
But this preacher did too because hewas married before and he had or he
was married to Micah and he hada young girlfriend that came out of the
(42:13):
woodworks after she died. Like,now that I'm thinking about it, what
what the heck? I'm like,oh my god. And now you know,
they say that that that Micah didactually take her own life, but
there are people who question how thathappened, and anyway, that's a whole
other case. But I'm just there'sso many parallels here with other things that
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I'm just I'm just having a moment. Nope, no worries. Well,
the police had their moment too,right because investigators decided to reopen Kathleen's case
just weeks after Stacy went missing.So Stacy goes missing, They're like,
you know what, this guy,let's let's look at all this well because
it's another another department now, sosomeone's finally like, wait, something's wrong.
(43:00):
The state police was like, whatare what have you been doing?
What have you been doing? Now? We have one dead, one missing.
There was red flags from the momenthe was demoted to patrol. There's
something going on with this guy,and y'all just completely ignored it. Now,
(43:20):
it could have been the DA's officetoo, trying to save face,
because remember they got the letter yearsyears years ago and they did nothing.
So they decided to take a secondlook and saw that the first go around,
the police went into it with thelens of this is an accident before
they even got through the door.And we'll get through this during the witnesses
(43:45):
that this could not have been amurder because one of us protect our own,
you know, you go in.It didn't really happen a lot here,
and that we'll get to that too. But they were all automatically just
assuming and trying to fit the piecesthat they saw into it. Now,
(44:06):
they exhumed Kathleen's body in November oftwo thousand and seven and completed a second
optopsy. They ran test they didn'tduring the first go round. So what
they find is the same first andforemost head trauma, water in her lungs.
But they also found that no surfacein the bathroom could have caused the
(44:28):
kind of injury and fall in thebathroom. Okay, coming from somebody who
is completely non graceful, I havefallen down the stairs several times of my
own accord. Yes, I have. Nobody was home and I should not
wear socks on woodstairs or carry yourcomputer down cement stairs at work. But
(44:50):
who is who's who's counting? Carryon? Yeah? Did that too.
The first thing that I do whenI fall, which is a lot my
hands go straight down and a littlebit of out right because you're trying to
brace yourself, so you're gonna havethe bruises. I know I did on
the palms of my hand, andevery single one of those steps on my
(45:15):
arms because you're you're gonna slam yourhand down. There was none of that
on Kathleen's body. It was like, try to fall without moving your arms
and tucking them in and letting yourhead get the end. That's just not
human nature. That that's not humanbeing in the fetal position is interesting,
(45:37):
Yeah, because usually when you fall, you kind of splay out because you're
trying to catch yourself. Your armsare out. I don't think anyone's buying
that accident though. Yeah, allright. So, Also, the lack
of force entry indicates that someone waslet in or had access hmm, maybe
the garage maybe, or the bighole in the garage where the plaster used
(46:00):
to be think about that all right. Now the death is classified from accidental
drowning. Finally we have a homicide. They finally deem it a homicide after
years. So now the attention ischanging, it's shifting. So all this
(46:22):
attentions on Stacy, Where's Stacy,Where's Stacy? And this news breaks,
the exclamation breaks, the second autopsynews breaks. It's a lot on Drew
right now, and it's all comingat him at both ends. So when
we come back in our next episode, we're gonna get into the ridiculous interviews
(46:45):
he gives, just absolutely ridiculous.It's gonna make you mad, it's gonna
make it it's very, very cringe. And we're gonna talk about the Dating
Game that Oh if you don't missthat episode to the Dating Game, it's
worth it, I promise you.But we're gonna enit here. And we're
estimating this one's probably going to beabout three It is not going to be
(47:07):
as long as Scott Peterson. Thisone is much much shorter. It's pretty
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