December 12, 2024 • 48 mins
This is a special episode released from Patreon. If it sounds different, that's because it was recorded over Zoom but we wanted to share it with you as a holiday bonus.
Sources:
Anniversary of an Ax Murder – In & AroundWhat Happened To Candy Montgomery, Betty Gore? | Crime NewsJun 30, 1980, page 3 - Fort Worth Star-Telegram at Newspapers.comTexas woman declared innocent in hacking death of friend - UPI ArchivesOct 28, 1980, page 2 - Fort Worth Star-Telegram at Newspapers.comThe Murder of Betty Gore: Can 41 Axe Blows Be Made in Self-Defense? - A&E True CrimeThe True Story Behind Love & Death: Who Is Candy Montgomery?Dec 05, 1985, page 44 - The Standard at Newspapers.comBetty Gore's Daughters: Where Are Alisa and Bethany Gore Today?Betty Gore, The Woman Candy Montgomery Butchered With An Axe
Sources:
Anniversary of an Ax Murder – In & AroundWhat Happened To Candy Montgomery, Betty Gore? | Crime NewsJun 30, 1980, page 3 - Fort Worth Star-Telegram at Newspapers.comTexas woman declared innocent in hacking death of friend - UPI ArchivesOct 28, 1980, page 2 - Fort Worth Star-Telegram at Newspapers.comThe Murder of Betty Gore: Can 41 Axe Blows Be Made in Self-Defense? - A&E True CrimeThe True Story Behind Love & Death: Who Is Candy Montgomery?Dec 05, 1985, page 44 - The Standard at Newspapers.comBetty Gore's Daughters: Where Are Alisa and Bethany Gore Today?Betty Gore, The Woman Candy Montgomery Butchered With An Axe
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, everyone is Jen and this is Lindsay and this
is Corpus Still Guys, Special Christmas edition. Yeah, so what
we are doing this is slightly different. We are actually
on Patreon Live right now, and the story that we
are doing tonight, we decide we're gonna do as like
a Christmas bonus as well. We have two episodes coming
up and then this one'll just be a bonus for
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fun Too in the year on. So with that said,
this is it might sound different because we're recording it
on Zoom. It's not always the best sound quality. It's
gonna be unedited. We are off the walls sometimes, we
have fun, we get sidetracked, kids come in, So just
know that going into it, this is not the oh
(00:45):
so professionally produced Corpus Still Like Di that you have
come to know and love. So why is everyone laughing?
So anyway, with that said, we are now in our
True Crime Theater series. When this releases, I don't know
if we will have released the other two yet or not,
but technically this is the first in the True Crime
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Theater Part two series that we're coming back to.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All Right, this one as me and Lindsay up like texting,
we have been binging and we have been reading NonStop.
So we're kicking off this series in June thirteenth, nineteen eighty.
We are in Texas now. It's it's about twenty five
miles north northeast of Dallas. Is it WILEYXA, Yes, Wiley Texas,
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Wiley Texas. Now, the population eighty eighty ditty diddy, it
is three thousand, five hundred, and that is being generous
at the time. Now, a gentleman named Alan Gore is
out of town for work and calls home to check
on his wife, Betty, and they have some kids. Now.
He tries all day, calling constantly and after several attempts,
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he's starting to get a little nervous, so he reaches
out to a neighbor and says, hey, will you go
check off my family? Go check on my family. Well,
after several phone calls and several talking times with the neighbors,
they finally said, hey, we're just going to have to
break in at this point, and once they get in
they tell something is wrong. There is a trailer plus
(02:24):
leading from the washroom where they discovered the body of
Alan's wife Betty.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So even more upsetting, the Gore's baby daughter, Bethany, she's
about eleven months old at this point, is alone in
her crib. She's awake, she's screaming her head off, and
she is covered in her own feces. This tells them
that she has been there for a long time, and
later it's estimated that she had been left completely alone
for about thirteen hours. Obviously, the neighbors call police. They
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call Alan, They say something horrible has happened, and at
first the neighbors his aunt, police actually think she has
been shot because her face was not in great shape.
We'll just put it that way, but they soon realize
this is not the case. She had actually been asked
to death forty one times. Their first instinct is, oh
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my gosh, that is brutal to suggests anger, someone who
probably knew her. And first, who are they going to
go to? They're going to go to Alan. That's always
the first suspect. Was he really out of town? He says,
he's out of town, go check on the family. Well,
it's very quickly proven that he was. They have hotel
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receipts and restaurant receipts, and they know that he was
indeed out of town. So then they're like some neighborhood
maniac is on the loose. And there's actually a few
interesting things here that led them to think this. So,
for one, this happened on Friday the thirteenth. Another thing
is there was newspaper out and the Shining. Betty had
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been reading reviews of the Shining and the news. It
was in the newspaper and she had left it open,
but they didn't know if it was staged. It's Friday
the thirteenth, there's this whole article about the Shining, which
involves an axe, and now this woman is killed with
an axe. And then the third thing that led them
to believe this was the person who did this had
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taken a shower in the house. The bathroom was just
covered in blood. There's hair, and they're like, this is
this is a maniac. A maniac has done this and
is now on the loose.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But there's some evidence left behind that's going to actually
practice case wide outen a few days later, while suspects
for being questioned, the forensic teams are doing their things,
they come across the small amount of blood on the
front porch, one bloody shee prints, a bloody thumbprint on
the freezer, handle and blood and hair in the shower.
In the bathroom awesome. Next to the body, they discovered
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a three foot axe which was the weapon used. In
the utility room, blood spattered all over the walls, a
pair of broken sunglasses, and a shoe. Now, according to
the article from In and Around magazine, inside there was
blood streaked on the entryway and some blood on the
interior door frame. In the bathroom there is evidence the
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killer showered that left some obvious clues. A green bath
rug in front of the tub with heavy blood stained
footprints in front of the sink. Critical evidence was destroyed.
Now this was from one of the one of the
police officers because they rolled up the clear bath mat
which ruined the two perfectly set of footprints. Now in
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the bathtub there was blood on the gold towel, walls
and on the gold bath mat around the drain. The
dream was also held human hair mixed with doll from
the doors too, dogs and the shoeprint was telling because
it was small and it looked like a pair of
flip floss so automatically, Now, a couple of things go
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through my mind when I when I was researching, and
I I saw that you're an axe murder wearing flip flops.
Not the best idea on shoe protection, and that some
of the key evidence to show how big the foot
was and the dimensions of the foot for an actual
print to be compared, just gets rolled up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So yeah, that's baffling because they have and they said
it was perfect prints, two perfect prints on the bath mat,
and the texts come in and just roll it up
and it all just mashed together because it was still wet. Now,
they did have that one footprint in the little washroom
utility room off the side of the house where Betty
was found, but that it wasn't quite as clear as
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this when these were feetprints as opposed to a shoe print.
So this told them obviously the killer went through the house. Now,
let's be specific about this freezer. This freezer was in
the utility room washroom. It was not like their fridge freezer.
It was like a separate freezer in that room where
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Betty was found, and that's where they found the perfect
bloody thumb print. So you know, back in the eighties especially,
this doesn't even now, it doesn't mean anything unless you
have someone to match it to. Right, you have that print,
but if somebody's not in a system, what good does
it do. So they have to kind of keep that
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one in their back pocket for now. Well, two days later,
they are still talking to Alan, who might have had
a motive to hurt her. You know, we know it
wasn't you at this point, but tell us everything, and
they find out an interesting fact from Alan. He had
been having an affair with a woman named Candy Montgomery,
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who was one of Betty's friends. Now, the night before
the first night when happened, they did ask Alan, have
you ever had an affair or anything like that? And
Alan says no. The next day he has a guilty
conscience and he comes forward and he's like, hey, I
need to let y'all know this, And they're like, well,
why didn't you tell us yesterday? They think it's a
little weird, and he was like, well, you know, I
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was ashamed. I hoped it wasn't relevant, but something made
him feel guilty and come forward and give them that information.
So this friend, Candy Montgomery, is the same friend who,
when Betty was found dead, was asked to watch the
couple's two daughters. So their friends, now, we're not going
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to say they were best friends, but they were friends.
Their two daughters were very good friends, and they all
knew each other through church, and they trusted Candy because
she was really good with kids and all that. So
this is a huge possible motive, right, somehow this affair
might come into play. But again, they know for a
fact that Alan was really out of town, so it's
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not like he didn't want his wife to find out
about the affair or he wanted to be with Candy.
So who does that leave. Well, now their attention turns
to Candy Montgomery, so they.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Start running the test. So they found the hair in
the drain, and they found it on underneath her Betty's
hands and on her feet. So they matched the hair
from those samples to Candy. Now remember the bloody shoe prints.
It was also an exact match to Candy's shoe size.
So they bring in Candy to question her. They take
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pictures of her, which they noticed that three of her
fingernails were shorter than the others, and she has a
really large cut on one of her toes. She also
had several random bruises all around her body. Now, interestingly, interestingly,
according to candy story, she was also the last person
to see Betty alive. Now. Betty's daughter Melissa, had slipt
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over at Candy's house the night before with her daughter,
and the daughter forgot her swimsuit because there were swim
lessons that she needed to go to and they wanted
to play out in sprinklers the next day. So Candy
said that she'd take her over to her swim lesson
the next morning. So Candy goes to the courthouse, gets
the swimsuit, and comes back later. So here's the story
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on this. She's teaching Vacation Bible School. Alyssa spent the
night with her the night before and all the kids
are at vacation Bible School. She's super involved. She teaches classes,
she watches the kids. She's like, oh, we need to
get that swimsuit because they wanted to go watch a movie.
Was Star Wars had come out that night. So Betty
(10:38):
leads vacation Bible School, goes gets the swim sea Betty, Betty, Candy,
Candy goes to Betty's house, yes, picks up to swim soup.
Long story.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Her daughter's gonna stay a second night, like the kids
were like, oh, let her stay another night, and so
Candy's like, okay, fine, she can come home with us,
but she has swim lesson tomorrow. I'm going to go
to her house and pick up her swimsuit and we'll
take her to swim lessons after back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, goes back to vacation Public School for the
rest of to day. Now on Betty's body. Going back
to Betty, they find a ton of defensiffluence. They also
learned that Candy had a cut and throughout.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
She had cut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, yeah, she had cut up. Well, actually she didn't
use sisters either, she used shears. But because later the
following day she was cutting the shrubs in the front yard,
she was using those shears and she stabbed and sliced
up those flip flops.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yes, and she got she got rid of them. And
actually it's her husband who ends up kind of making
that connection later and you know, you'll see where it
all comes together. But he was like, hey, where are
those flip flops who used to wear all the time,
And then that's how they find out that she actually
cut them up. But on June twenty seventh, nineteen eighty,
Candy Montgomery was arrested for the murder of her alleged
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best friend Betty Gore. She paid one hundred thousand dollars.
She's home on bond, goes home to her husband, Pat,
and her daughter and son until the indictment. So that's
a lot. What the heck happened? What's going on here?
Because at first, when she's questioned, Candy denies all of it.
She's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I
would never hurt anyone. But she goes to trial just
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a few months later, that is not what she says.
At trial, she says, yes, I killed Betty Gore in
self defense. But to understand her story and this self
defense claim, we got to go back in time a
little bit. We need a little bit of history here.
So Candace Candy Wheeler was married to Pat Montgomery. He's
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an electrical engineer. He does really well, he makes really
good money, and in nineteen seventy they moved to Texas
where they had their son and daughter, and the family
particularly Candy was very, very ingredient in the first United
Methodist Church. She's well known, she's well liked, she's in
the choir, she's taken meals to the people in the
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church who are sick, she teaches Sunday school. She is
a pillar of this church. Everyone knew and loved her. Now,
this is how Candy and Betty met and became friends,
and the two families met at church. So there's a
few things going on here that lead up to this. So,
for one, Betty and Alan had a daughter, Melissa, who
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at the time of the murder was five, and she
and Alan had decided that it was time to try
for another child. Betty took this very very seriously, and she,
I guess, in a way kind of obsessed over it.
Their love life became very regimented. It was scheduled. It
was not passionate at all. It was very like, Okay,
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I'm opulating, we gotta go. And it started to wear
on Alan and he was like, I can't keep up
with this. He's traveling half the time. If he was
traveling while it was her fertile window, she would start
to stress out. Also, Betty was a school teacher and
a mom. Alan has gone a lot from his job
and she hated this because it stressed her out. She's like,
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I am at school with kids all day. I've got
the kids at home. I don't have any help. Meanwhile,
While all this is happening, Candy has moved to a
small town. She's a little bit bored. She felt like
her sex life with her husband had grown dull, and
she just started to have this this need for adventure.
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And one day at church, Candy and Alan are involved
in a volleyball match at the church, and Candy recalled
that Alan runs past her at one point, runs into her,
knocks her down, and his scent caught her attention. She's like, oh,
he smells really good. I don't know, like good. What
kind of cologne was Alan wearing? I don't know? And
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she liked it, So she starts to get this idea
in her head.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So a few days later, she approaches Alan when he's
been a parking lot at the church. She gets in
the car, she's the death of the two of them, Like,
I mean, she's point playing. Okay, let's start an affair,
no strings attached, just for fun, no feelings, and the
second anyone catches feelings, it's over. We're done. Well, eventually
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he's like, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do this, but he agrees to not right away, to
be fair, not right right away.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, neither one of them really wanted to leave their marriage.
They were both happy. They just wanted to spice things
up a little bit so to ensure it wasn't crossing
into the relationship zone. They split costs on everything, the hotels,
the lunches. They wouldn't meet every other week, they'd have
a packed lunch. Sounds very scheduled, sounds almost regimented a
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little bit, which Alan was, you know, whatever, but they
did it. They continued for about ten months, but then
Alan and Betty went on a couple's retreat that was
sponsors the church and it focused on ninting marriages and
reconnecting a couple. This retreat was eye opening for Alan.
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He bought it, hooked a client and sinker, and he
started instantly regretting the affair and he wanted to focus
on his family. So he decides he's going to break
it off with Candy. It was about six months before
the murder, which is an important fact that people argue about.
They're saying, why would Candy ask her friend forty one
times if the affair had been over for six months?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And what's now interesting Here's when Jen is saying that
it was all very planned. It was all very regimented,
no joke like they met up multiple times and they
planned this. This was very much not an affair that
just happened because two people fell a spark and things escalated.
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You know. No dude would call her and be like,
let's go meet and work on the schedule, and like
they had a plan and like would write it out
and yeah, it was. It was a thing. And that
was how though. They were protecting themselves in their minds
from hurting their spouses. They look, I love my spouse.
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I don't want to hurt him or her. I just
you know, this is just this is just for fun,
that's and they were trying. They were trying to spell
all the details to protect themselves. So that's gonna go great, right,
So now I lost my place, Oh thank you. So
fast forward to six months later, after the affair is over,
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Betty's daughter is spending the night with Candy, forgets her swimsuit.
Candy goes to the Gore's house to get it. Betty
ends up dead. We know all this right, So again
what happened because Candy is now on trial for the
murder and she takes the stand in her defense. We're
seeing a lot of this in a lot of our
episodes lately, which is just total side notes. But uh,
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and you know, in a lot of cases it doesn't
help murdaal it doesn't help. In this case, it actually
does so on the stand, Candy recalls during the eight
day trial that she went to the Gors house to
get the swimsuit and they get there, they're talking can alicsa,
come spend the night. How are things going? Oh, you
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got a new dog? They talk about their new puppy,
and then Betty confronts Candy and says, are you having
an affair with Alan? And Candy says no, and Candy's mine.
She's not lying because she's not having an affair with
Alan anymore. And Betty says, but you did, and Canny
says yes. So Candy comes clean. Betty gets up, she
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walks into the other room. She comes back with an
axe and Candy's like, whoa, what are you? What are
you doing? I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Well,
Betty puts it down, says leave him alone, don't come
near him again, And on her way out, Candy kind
of touches her arm and says, Betty, I'm so sorry.
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And Betty goes into this rage, hicks the axe back up,
swings it at Candy, but kind of misses her and
it hits down and cuts her toe. Now, keep in mind,
this is all on the stand. This is all coming
from Candy Montgomery because she's the only surviving witness. She's
the only one who actually knows what happened. So let's
talk about her toe for a second. The pictures are
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out there for a toe. It's a big cut. I
think it's either on the second or third toe. But
this is Lindsay talking here. It does not look like
an axe hit it it. I'm pretty sure the toe
would be cut off right like if an axe hit it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So look, it really just depends on the velocity and
how near the blade was to the foot, Like if
it just happened to graze it, so well, all lay down.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well and that's that's the So they said that the
cut was just under an inch. To me in the pictures,
it looks more like indented and swollen. It's definitely swollen,
it's definitely red. It's straight, but it's under an inch long. Now,
this is a this is a three foot axe. It's
got a big it's got a big blade on it.
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If that whole blade came down, it would have been
a lot worse than that. Okay, well, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That's that's coming off. I'm looking at this now that's
coming off.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The chest.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
No, I'll put it in chat. I'm looking at the
picture coming off. If that's an axe, that's that's not
there anymore. I think the tooth.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Coming off off.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Y'all thinking that's coming off?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, an ax. An ax is not going to stop
at the skin like that. It's going to go straight
for the boat.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's what I'm saying. So you don't think this was
an axe?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
She does tell people it is from the storm door
in her house. In the metal piece left.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It well, so like so like maybe like so my
thought was, okay, that's too small and not deep enough
to be an axe. So maybe the corner hit her.
The corner of the axe got her, But then it
would be shaped kind of triangular, not straight like this.
This is straight? Like are we on the same page
with that?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Or am I is across the toe as well? It's not. Yeah,
it's not a glance in blow.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's right across the middle exactly exactly, and it doesn't
go onto the other toe. It's angled like this, it
would have gone onto that that second toe there. So anyway,
that's what she's saying about the toe. I thought it
was also weird. So could it have been from Candy
herself swinging the axe or she hit it on something
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or cut it on something throughout the course of a struggle,
don't really know. But Candy does go on to say
that they wrestled. Betty's not giving up. She keeps coming
at her, so she had to knock Buddy to the floor.
She grabbed the axe and she just started swinging.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, because Kenny goes on to say that they wrestled,
Betty wasn't giving up, she said, she starts swinging now.
The prosecution is arguing that Betty was hit forty one time,
usually in self defense, one or two really good flows,
and you're right, it's a little bit of overkill and
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if it was self defense again, she should have ran.
Like Katy said on the stand that the affair had
been over again for like six to seven months now.
The diffence argues that she meant that she was okay
with the ending and she had no reason to hurt
Betty or to kill Betty. The prosecution argues that this
meant that she was jaded about it ending and wanting
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to get rid of it. So you have, of course,
the two colored opposites, Hey we were done, we're good,
or hey, they were done and I didn't want it
to be done. Now, Allan testifies as well and seems
to confirm that the affair did end. So you have
the cheek spouse here saying, so, look, it was over.
And he also said that Candy had never been to
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their store troom, not even sure she knew they had
an AX, but she definitely didn't know where the AX was.
And he confirmed that his wife had been depressed when
he had left that morning, thinking that she may be
pregnant again. So Betty's got a lot going on. You know,
she's got postpartum from the second baby. They're trying for
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a third.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well, they didn't try for the third, they tried for
the second. She got postpartum with both. She thinks she's
pregnant with the third. Alan leaves town that morning and
she's like, I think I'm pregnant. I can't do this.
I can't handle another one. I'm not even in a
good spot from the second one yet, And she does
have a documented like she's treated for anxiety, depression, all
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these things. That was that was very real.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Now the defense brings forth a very inter and witness
to Rebut all of this a psychologist had hypnotized Candy
and uncovered that during the fight. Betty said at one
point to Candy like hush. Now, apparently this unlocked rage
and Candy because she had child the trauma, there is
a dissociative reaction that where she wasn't in control. So again,
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nineteen eighties psychology is so fun. They really focused hard
on childhood drama and during that time. Now, the event
in question was when she was four, lost a race,
broke a glass jar and cut herself with the jar. Now,
when she was hostilized at seton crying, her mother was
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telling her, you know, just shushing her. I just try
to calm her down. So actually this is a traumatic event.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So and it goes on to say, here's the argument.
Here is she got her she got cut with the glass,
she had lost this race, she got mad through the
jar backfired hit her in the head. Her mother allegedly said,
what will people think of you? In the waiting room,
And so the psychologist argument is this was not just
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some thing that got triggered this Friday the thirteenth, but
that that was her reason, her whole life for being
a people pleaser, and she didn't even know it. That's
why she was taking the food to people and doing
all the things, is because what will the people think?
Because her mom said what will the people in the
waiting room think? And it created this whole what will
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people think of me? And for whatever reason, when Betty said,
it sent her into a rage where she murdered her
with an axe forty one times.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I mean, to be fair, that could have been the
first part of a coursework.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, is that traumatic enough to bring forth murderous rage?
Like when I'm thinking of childhood trauma, that's going to
make someone rage. It's going to be real heavy, real
bad stuff. It ain't gonna be like who hasn't been
in the er, you know?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, I said, eighties psychology is so interesting. If
you have like can't sleep one night, you want to
start goggling some of the theories and what the philosopher's
thinking during that time. It is a very interesting error
for psychology.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But Katy told this psychologist, I didn't think I couldn't
think at all when she came rushing back to me.
I hit her, and I hit her, and I hit
her and I hit her.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So I think that says a lot more about Candy,
you know, because Katie was a once. She's the military
brat where she's traveled around a lot, and she didn't
really have any connections, and you know, it was always
moving every three or so for years. So the fact
that this murder's rate was triggered, I don't think I
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had to do a lot with that moment in the
r is probably more of a time.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If if if it's a thing at all, if it
don't seem I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm trying here to get the benefit of a doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, I'm not gonna tell somebody they shouldn't have trauma.
I just feel like that's an extreme reaction to that
particular incident. So basically this argument, and kouds.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
To her for remembering that when since what was she
for at the time. Yeah, so kudos for remembering what
happened when you're four years old.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, she didn't until she was hypnotized apparently, so, which
is also problematic in itself. Hypnotization is anyway I want
to say that would never fly today. Let's just put
it that way. So this argument here basically paints Betty
is uncontrollable, saying that Betty flew off the handle first
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until Candy unlocks trauma and becomes uncontrollable herself. Well, is
there anything to back that Betty would be an uncontrollable,
angry person. There's one witness, the reverend at the church,
who testifies and said that both women often disagreed with
things that he did. They didn't always love how he
ran the church, but he said that Candy always handled
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them calmly, while Betty quote seemed to be angry with
me constantly. Now, Betty was a school teacher, and she
was known as the strict school teacher. There were some,
you know, conflicts with parents, conflicts with kids. She was
the strict, rigid one, and she there were people who
described her as just kind of generally like an anxious person.
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Now that does not you know, so, am I I
have anxiety? And you know that doesn't mean that she
picked up an axe and threatened her best friend by
any means. She did have the history of postpartum depression.
So when we get to the TV piece of it.
Jen remind me to put my spin on what I
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told you. That scene kind of kind of played out
in my head. So there were other church witnesses who
testified to seeing Candy after the murder, because, like Jen said,
we know she went back to teach Bible school, and
they said she seemed perfectly fine. Her clothes were fine,
she seemed fine. Would this be or not be the
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case if it was self defense? In my mind, someone
who kills someone and then goes back to normal is
like psychopathic. Now I'm not sick. That's that's a rash
conclusion to jump to. But she was acting perfectly normal.
Maybe she was just a really good actress. That's also possible. However,
she did tell multiple people at the church that she
had lost track of time because she was late getting
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back to the church because her watch had stopped. My
watch just randomly stopped. I had to go get the
swimsuit and run a target, and my watch stopped and
I lost track of time. Why did her watch stop?
Could that have been damaged because of an incident? Who knows?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Another argument was brought forth by the defense that Candy
is and to be honest, she is a little bitty.
She's very petite. She's about five two wish she's what
one hundred and something pounds? I mean she's little. Now
Betty's five to eight, she has more of a wider structure.
She's definitely bigger than Candy. So why would Candy attack
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a person that's but like six inches half a foot
taller than she is, with way more body weight than
she has? And not only that, she's attacking someone who's
attacking her with an act that's running towards an axe
is probably not a good idea. You probably won't run
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the other way.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Well, YaCy Montgomery is going to initiate this attack, why
would she do it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is she trying to grab?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Is she going to grab a three foot act? Maybe
maybe that's all she could find. Maybe she did and
that's all she could find. But would it make sense
for someone who's two inches taller than me to grab
this big, heavy weapon? That is a question.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Two inches.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So it says five to two on here, but it
was five one. That's a typo. She was five one, Yeah,
So would Candy being five to one have grabbed like
this three foot axe that's that's gonna weigh half as
much as she does.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Oh no, I guess she needed to reach the face.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Could be I mean that could be. So now I
lost my spot again.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Hmmm, Oh, we need to talk about intent. So Canny
goes over there to get this bump suit for Betty's
daughter to take Betty's daughter to the next day she
spending the night. Is the intent there? That says gin
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Jen goes to Lindsay's house to get a bathing suit
for Lindsay's daughter. I see an axe. I kill Lindsay
just to go back to the vacation file school. It
doesn't sound premeditated. It definitely sounds more of a this
just happened during that time spring.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
If it was premeditated, again, why would you go for that?
The axe seems interesting. So all of these questions are
coming up during trial, and the argument of the bloody
thumb print comes up, and the prosecution says, okay, well,
look that's pretty obvious. Her bloody thumb print is at
the scene. The defense has, uh, not so fast. She
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was in that house all the time they were friends.
The print could have been there before then smeared with blood. Well,
it was kind of like imprinted on there. So with
this next point that we're going to talk about. It
had a big effect. So keep in mind, though when
we say this that we are in the eighties, we're
in nineteen eighty. We're not even in the eighties, we're
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in eighty. So a polygraph expert testified and said that
he didn't believe that Candy planned to kill Betty because
her results for being untruthful showed the same result for
did you kill Betty Gore, to which she said yes,
and did you intend to kill Betty Gore to what
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she said no, they were the same. She was not
being untruthful for either of those questions. She also passed
the question about Betty presenting the acts first today. Again,
this would not fly, but they did allow this evidence
in and everyone's like, oh, she passed a polygraph test. Now.
Also of note, during the trial, they're like, Candy, you
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had an affair with Alan Gore? Yes, she says, yes.
Did you have an affair with anyone else where? Yes?
She had another affair after allan that did not last
nearly as long. It lasted about a month and then
it fizzled out as well, So she had to her
husband has got to be like, what the hell is
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happening right now, because that is how he found out. Now,
he did know about Alan. He found a little love
letter from Alan at one point before all this happened,
if you like, It was after the affair had ended,
but before Betty was murdered. So he actually did know,
and he took responsibility for not being a good husband
and all that, and they were going to work through it. Well,
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now he finds out about number two. So is this relevant? Well,
the prosecution says, no, it's not relevant. She can do
what she wants. The defense says, yes, it is relevant
because she didn't kill anyone the second time, and not
only that, it shows that she was over allan So
why would she want to kill Betty?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now? After all this is said in debt, So let's
talk the jury. The jury's three fourth women, one fourth,
and then they deliberated for four hours. That's the quick deliberation,
because you know, when you get in you have to
do certain things administraight up. So this was real quick,
and we see quick deliberations all the time. They don't
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come back good. This one came back astounding. They equit
her on murder, they acquit her on manslaughter, They didn't
charge her for anything.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
We like with the with murder, everyone was shocked because
the verdict was so quick, and a lot of times
it's like, oh, well, I mean these guilty everybody got
in there and they were like, oh you did it.
This one was a complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I can't believe you didn't get charge for man's laughter.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, and then so I was kind of floored. I
was like, you know, when I first watched one of
the shows on it, which we'll get to, I was
kind of floored because I hadn't heard it before then.
But here's what did it. The jury said that the
prosecution didn't bring forth any evidence that it wasn't self defense. So,
in other words, we know Candy did it. Candy said
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she did it. It was the why, and the prosecution
is focusing on her cleaning up after she cleaned up
after she could have done that if it was self defense, well,
she left the baby alone. She could have done that
if it was self defense. And it was the prosecution's
job to prove that case. You're innocent till proven guilty.
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The defense doesn't have to prove that you're innocent. You
got to prove that somebody's guilty. And they said. Everything
they said proved that she did murder her. She had
the blood print, blah blah blah blah blah, she had
the shoes, she had all this stuff proof she did it.
It doesn't prove how it happened. And they were like,
we just couldn't get pasted. We don't know how the
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story played out.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, not only that, you know she comes in to
get this suit. They know Betty's history at this point,
and she didn't come in with a weapon. She used
what was there, which shows it could have been self defense. Now,
as much as they thought it was the least probable
that or Candy had used daily force to overpower someone
bigger than herself. So they're saying disc was a catalyst.
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This is the reason why she had to defend herself. Now,
Candy and Pat did divorce. She got I put.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Up with all this for a while.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Just say it four years.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Four years.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, she got a job as a therapists. Yeah, she
lives under a different name. So wish her the best,
wish her all the recovery. Now, I will say some
of the best therapists were the damage fores, because it's.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
A lot of damage regardless of and you know what.
Maybe she worked through I I don't know. I have
not talked to Candy Montgomery surprised.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
All right, So the arguments against this verdict. Right, So
here we have Candy, we have like, I'm gonna play opposition.
I think she should have been charged or convicted right
because she left the eleven months in the crypt. To
be fair, she Candy did not know Alan was outatand
she thought that he was going to be home, So
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this thirteen hour window could have only been four.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I also saw an argument too where someone was like,
uh it, let's just say for a second that she
was attacked by her best friend. She's not thinking about that.
She's like, oh my god, I got to get out
of here. This just I just murdered someone, regardless no
matter how it played out. She could have completely forgotten
about the baby because that was, regardless of how it happened,
a traumatic event in her brain.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, murdering someone is a traumatic event. Absolutely. Now the
defensive wounds on Betty. If you're swinging a next with somebody,
they're I have defensive points.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, and that's the thing I think that does it
for me the most, because I I think that it
is plausible, plausible that it did play out the way
Candy said, but not likely. And I think it's because
of the defensive wounds on Betty. Again keeping in mind
that Candy is a lot smaller. She did she had
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bruises and stuff, but they were not defensive wounds. And
then this whole toe thing. She came out pretty unscathed.
For for when someone else is getting hit forty one times,
it's not proportional. Yeah, and that to me, I think
is the biggest thing, all right, And.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
The overtill forty one times, clean up a tent. So
the fact that she took a shower there, the fact
that she would she cleaned her clothes, changed clothes, cleaned them,
and went back. So the fact, okay, let's let's move
past the whole defense versus aggression. That's that's a pretty
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boss lady. It's to do that, get cleaned up, and
go back to church.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
If another thing for me, And again I cannot say
what everyone is going to do because everyone responds differently.
In my what I hope is a rational mind, it
would say, if it's self defense and I kill someone,
the first thing I'm going to do is pick up
the phone and call nine one one. I'm not going
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to jump in the shower. I'm not going to try
to clean up the scene. I'm going to be like,
oh my god, because if it's really truly self defense,
that's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
If it's self defense, you're probably gonna more panic and
not do the normal things like call the police, have
a shower, clean up, and be.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Like okay, fair, Yeah, but again, where true comes justice.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
But like I said, my rational mind, who has never
in this situation, that's what I would like to hope
never will. Yeah, that's what I would like to think
I would do. But again, definitely never been in this situation,
Thank goodness. But that's a fair point. That's a fair point.
So that's some of the arguments that people have for Okay,
Candy initiated this, Candy was the aggressor. Now, some of
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the pro Candy arguments is that Candy was small, Betty
was bigger. Candy wouldn't have chosen an axe. The polygraph
people say, oh, well she passed the polygraph. Now, of
course we know now that that's not reliable, but I
do think that that had a big, big impact on
this trial. Also, people say Candy was super, super busy
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that day. She was all over the place. She went
to target, she went to Bible school. She was not
accounting for during the time of the murder, which we know,
but other folks had her all over the place that day.
If it was premeditated and she had all these things
on her calendar, why would she have done it? Then
that's another argument for it. So we're running away boy,
what's that?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Great? And an O one boy I was too busy
to do?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Also fair also a fair solid point. Now we're way
that time, so let's hit the true crime theater portion
of this quickly. So there is an old adapted for
TV movie that won an Emmy and Golden Globe Award,
and it's called A Killing in a Small Town. I
actually could not find the year that that came out,
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because I actually learned about that one about ten minutes
before we started recording. But the two big ones that
we're going to talk about is Candy, which is the
mini series on Hulu. It stars Jessica Bill and Melanie Lynsky,
which are two of my favorite actresses. Came out in
twenty twenty two. I watched it when I had COVID,
and I think we actually talked about it in the
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Discord channel when I was watching it, brawl you TEENI
bobbers her husband. Justin Timberlake does make a small recurring appearance.
It's five episodes, and then also Love and Death came
out in twenty twenty three on h BO Max. Same story,
but Elizabeth Olsen plays Candy. It also stars Lily Rabe,
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Kristin Ritter, and Tom Pelfrey. Both shows were nominated for
various awards. On Love and Death that actually ended up
being HBO Max's most watch original limited series globally. Jen
watched Candy and I watched both. Well, I watched most
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of Love and Death and I watched all of Candy
Love and Death. I was telling Jen before we started recording,
there was when I watched Candy, I was like, oh, man,
Candy crazy. She did you know? She initiated it? Whatever.
When I was watching Love and Death, I did have
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this moment where I was like, you know what, I
actually can see it because the way they portrayed it
is Candy goes over there to get this swimsuit. They're talking,
Betty confronts her. Betty has just had this complete panic moment.
This earlier that morning thinking she's pregnant. She does have
still postpartum depression from the second child. She actually had
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it with the first as well. She is being treated
and they show her and I don't know that it
actually happened this way. Candy Montgomery did not say it did,
but they portrayed it this way where she has the acts.
She says, stop seeing him. Candy goes to leave, puts
her hand on her and says, I'm so sorry, Betty.
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Betty grabs her with the axe in her hand and says,
you can't have him. I'm pregnant. I can't do this
by myself. Again, you can't do this, you can't have him,
and then Candy fights back. And I did have this
moment or where I was like, you know what, I
can actually see how that escalated because she did have
the fight with Alan that morning, being super stressed out
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about I can't handle another baby, and that for me,
I was like, that actually does make some sense. So
there you go. There you have it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It's super interesting story.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, so curious y'all thought you had them. Feel free
to share them.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Particularly challenged he intern or Lizzie Borden there for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah. Forty one forty one. Uh, hacks is a lot.
And actually speaking of you know Lizzy Borden. They had
the poem, well, the trial ended just a few days
before Halloween, and it was such a big deal around town.
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The people were dressing up as Candy Montgomery with a
bloody axe for Halloween and they created a poem and
here's I'm sorry, here's what it says. Candy Montgomery was
a whore. She screwed around with Alan Gore. When Betty
Gore brought it up, Candy used an axe to cut
her up and Colin County murders. Okay, if you go
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to church and pray and don't worry adultery school, if
you teach Sunday school. So that is the poem about
Candy Montgomery savage. Yeah, all right, So what do y'all think?
Who's the instigator with a forty one wax?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That's kind of yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Did she had gotten manslaughter?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
At least?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Just one or two? I could buy that child to
fiddle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
More so, going with that train of thought, Matt, let's
going with that. How do you think it played out? Then?
Do you think she went over there looking for an excuse,
looking for something to use, Like, how do you think
that played out? I'm not sure. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't think it was. I don't think I think
it was your name. She felled, killed, the eye scu
pulled out, she felt threads played.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I think that's probably, like my gut tells me that that.
I agree with you. I can like I said, I
think it is plausible it happened the way Candy said.
But I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I'm going on premeditated.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Really yep, Okay, all right, tell us about it. Why
the acts?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Then the busy day, the acts so she could reach Okay,
it's a heavy weapon. It's it's gonna do the damage.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
So she went over there, panned out. I've been seen
over here, over here. She's gone there, she's killed her,
she's cleaned up, she's got change, got showered, gone back
to church.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
So interesting thing that you just said, And Jen, you
brought this up before we recorded. Andy was a very
structured person. We know this because she planned out her affair.
She planned out the lunches, she planned it all out.
She had her paper. They were they were plotting. So
the a there was incredibly premeditated for like I don't know,
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like weeks or like a month or something, with a
lot of meticulous planning. So there you go that you
could be right, you could be right. Okay, well we
will go ahead and wrap this minute because I'm Patreon.
This story's supposed to be thirty minutes and we're now
at fifty. So sorry, guys, So we're going to go
ahead and stop the recording on this end. Hope everyone
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has a safe and happy holiday season. You guys, stay on,
We're just stopping the recording, so Gen you wine to
sign us off.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
All right, guys, you know what they said to Fila. Shit,
Bye bye,
Hey, everyone is Jen and this is Lindsay and this
is Corpus Still Guys, Special Christmas edition. Yeah, so what
we are doing this is slightly different. We are actually
on Patreon Live right now, and the story that we
are doing tonight, we decide we're gonna do as like
a Christmas bonus as well. We have two episodes coming
up and then this one'll just be a bonus for
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fun Too in the year on. So with that said,
this is it might sound different because we're recording it
on Zoom. It's not always the best sound quality. It's
gonna be unedited. We are off the walls sometimes, we
have fun, we get sidetracked, kids come in, So just
know that going into it, this is not the oh
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so professionally produced Corpus Still Like Di that you have
come to know and love. So why is everyone laughing?
So anyway, with that said, we are now in our
True Crime Theater series. When this releases, I don't know
if we will have released the other two yet or not,
but technically this is the first in the True Crime
(01:07):
Theater Part two series that we're coming back to.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All Right, this one as me and Lindsay up like texting,
we have been binging and we have been reading NonStop.
So we're kicking off this series in June thirteenth, nineteen eighty.
We are in Texas now. It's it's about twenty five
miles north northeast of Dallas. Is it WILEYXA, Yes, Wiley Texas,
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Wiley Texas. Now, the population eighty eighty ditty diddy, it
is three thousand, five hundred, and that is being generous
at the time. Now, a gentleman named Alan Gore is
out of town for work and calls home to check
on his wife, Betty, and they have some kids. Now.
He tries all day, calling constantly and after several attempts,
(02:03):
he's starting to get a little nervous, so he reaches
out to a neighbor and says, hey, will you go
check off my family? Go check on my family. Well,
after several phone calls and several talking times with the neighbors,
they finally said, hey, we're just going to have to
break in at this point, and once they get in
they tell something is wrong. There is a trailer plus
(02:24):
leading from the washroom where they discovered the body of
Alan's wife Betty.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So even more upsetting, the Gore's baby daughter, Bethany, she's
about eleven months old at this point, is alone in
her crib. She's awake, she's screaming her head off, and
she is covered in her own feces. This tells them
that she has been there for a long time, and
later it's estimated that she had been left completely alone
for about thirteen hours. Obviously, the neighbors call police. They
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call Alan, They say something horrible has happened, and at
first the neighbors his aunt, police actually think she has
been shot because her face was not in great shape.
We'll just put it that way, but they soon realize
this is not the case. She had actually been asked
to death forty one times. Their first instinct is, oh
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my gosh, that is brutal to suggests anger, someone who
probably knew her. And first, who are they going to
go to? They're going to go to Alan. That's always
the first suspect. Was he really out of town? He says,
he's out of town, go check on the family. Well,
it's very quickly proven that he was. They have hotel
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receipts and restaurant receipts, and they know that he was
indeed out of town. So then they're like some neighborhood
maniac is on the loose. And there's actually a few
interesting things here that led them to think this. So,
for one, this happened on Friday the thirteenth. Another thing
is there was newspaper out and the Shining. Betty had
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been reading reviews of the Shining and the news. It
was in the newspaper and she had left it open,
but they didn't know if it was staged. It's Friday
the thirteenth, there's this whole article about the Shining, which
involves an axe, and now this woman is killed with
an axe. And then the third thing that led them
to believe this was the person who did this had
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taken a shower in the house. The bathroom was just
covered in blood. There's hair, and they're like, this is
this is a maniac. A maniac has done this and
is now on the loose.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But there's some evidence left behind that's going to actually
practice case wide outen a few days later, while suspects
for being questioned, the forensic teams are doing their things,
they come across the small amount of blood on the
front porch, one bloody shee prints, a bloody thumbprint on
the freezer, handle and blood and hair in the shower.
In the bathroom awesome. Next to the body, they discovered
(05:01):
a three foot axe which was the weapon used. In
the utility room, blood spattered all over the walls, a
pair of broken sunglasses, and a shoe. Now, according to
the article from In and Around magazine, inside there was
blood streaked on the entryway and some blood on the
interior door frame. In the bathroom there is evidence the
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killer showered that left some obvious clues. A green bath
rug in front of the tub with heavy blood stained
footprints in front of the sink. Critical evidence was destroyed.
Now this was from one of the one of the
police officers because they rolled up the clear bath mat
which ruined the two perfectly set of footprints. Now in
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the bathtub there was blood on the gold towel, walls
and on the gold bath mat around the drain. The
dream was also held human hair mixed with doll from
the doors too, dogs and the shoeprint was telling because
it was small and it looked like a pair of
flip floss so automatically, Now, a couple of things go
(06:05):
through my mind when I when I was researching, and
I I saw that you're an axe murder wearing flip flops.
Not the best idea on shoe protection, and that some
of the key evidence to show how big the foot
was and the dimensions of the foot for an actual
print to be compared, just gets rolled up.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So yeah, that's baffling because they have and they said
it was perfect prints, two perfect prints on the bath mat,
and the texts come in and just roll it up
and it all just mashed together because it was still wet. Now,
they did have that one footprint in the little washroom
utility room off the side of the house where Betty
was found, but that it wasn't quite as clear as
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this when these were feetprints as opposed to a shoe print.
So this told them obviously the killer went through the house. Now,
let's be specific about this freezer. This freezer was in
the utility room washroom. It was not like their fridge freezer.
It was like a separate freezer in that room where
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Betty was found, and that's where they found the perfect
bloody thumb print. So you know, back in the eighties especially,
this doesn't even now, it doesn't mean anything unless you
have someone to match it to. Right, you have that print,
but if somebody's not in a system, what good does
it do. So they have to kind of keep that
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one in their back pocket for now. Well, two days later,
they are still talking to Alan, who might have had
a motive to hurt her. You know, we know it
wasn't you at this point, but tell us everything, and
they find out an interesting fact from Alan. He had
been having an affair with a woman named Candy Montgomery,
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who was one of Betty's friends. Now, the night before
the first night when happened, they did ask Alan, have
you ever had an affair or anything like that? And
Alan says no. The next day he has a guilty
conscience and he comes forward and he's like, hey, I
need to let y'all know this, And they're like, well,
why didn't you tell us yesterday? They think it's a
little weird, and he was like, well, you know, I
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was ashamed. I hoped it wasn't relevant, but something made
him feel guilty and come forward and give them that information.
So this friend, Candy Montgomery, is the same friend who,
when Betty was found dead, was asked to watch the
couple's two daughters. So their friends, now, we're not going
(08:38):
to say they were best friends, but they were friends.
Their two daughters were very good friends, and they all
knew each other through church, and they trusted Candy because
she was really good with kids and all that. So
this is a huge possible motive, right, somehow this affair
might come into play. But again, they know for a
fact that Alan was really out of town, so it's
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not like he didn't want his wife to find out
about the affair or he wanted to be with Candy.
So who does that leave. Well, now their attention turns
to Candy Montgomery, so they.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Start running the test. So they found the hair in
the drain, and they found it on underneath her Betty's
hands and on her feet. So they matched the hair
from those samples to Candy. Now remember the bloody shoe prints.
It was also an exact match to Candy's shoe size.
So they bring in Candy to question her. They take
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pictures of her, which they noticed that three of her
fingernails were shorter than the others, and she has a
really large cut on one of her toes. She also
had several random bruises all around her body. Now, interestingly, interestingly,
according to candy story, she was also the last person
to see Betty alive. Now. Betty's daughter Melissa, had slipt
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over at Candy's house the night before with her daughter,
and the daughter forgot her swimsuit because there were swim
lessons that she needed to go to and they wanted
to play out in sprinklers the next day. So Candy
said that she'd take her over to her swim lesson
the next morning. So Candy goes to the courthouse, gets
the swimsuit, and comes back later. So here's the story
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on this. She's teaching Vacation Bible School. Alyssa spent the
night with her the night before and all the kids
are at vacation Bible School. She's super involved. She teaches classes,
she watches the kids. She's like, oh, we need to
get that swimsuit because they wanted to go watch a movie.
Was Star Wars had come out that night. So Betty
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leads vacation Bible School, goes gets the swim sea Betty, Betty, Candy,
Candy goes to Betty's house, yes, picks up to swim soup.
Long story.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Her daughter's gonna stay a second night, like the kids
were like, oh, let her stay another night, and so
Candy's like, okay, fine, she can come home with us,
but she has swim lesson tomorrow. I'm going to go
to her house and pick up her swimsuit and we'll
take her to swim lessons after back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, goes back to vacation Public School for the
rest of to day. Now on Betty's body. Going back
to Betty, they find a ton of defensiffluence. They also
learned that Candy had a cut and throughout.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
She had cut.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, yeah, she had cut up. Well, actually she didn't
use sisters either, she used shears. But because later the
following day she was cutting the shrubs in the front yard,
she was using those shears and she stabbed and sliced
up those flip flops.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yes, and she got she got rid of them. And
actually it's her husband who ends up kind of making
that connection later and you know, you'll see where it
all comes together. But he was like, hey, where are
those flip flops who used to wear all the time,
And then that's how they find out that she actually
cut them up. But on June twenty seventh, nineteen eighty,
Candy Montgomery was arrested for the murder of her alleged
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best friend Betty Gore. She paid one hundred thousand dollars.
She's home on bond, goes home to her husband, Pat,
and her daughter and son until the indictment. So that's
a lot. What the heck happened? What's going on here?
Because at first, when she's questioned, Candy denies all of it.
She's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I
would never hurt anyone. But she goes to trial just
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a few months later, that is not what she says.
At trial, she says, yes, I killed Betty Gore in
self defense. But to understand her story and this self
defense claim, we got to go back in time a
little bit. We need a little bit of history here.
So Candace Candy Wheeler was married to Pat Montgomery. He's
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an electrical engineer. He does really well, he makes really
good money, and in nineteen seventy they moved to Texas
where they had their son and daughter, and the family
particularly Candy was very, very ingredient in the first United
Methodist Church. She's well known, she's well liked, she's in
the choir, she's taken meals to the people in the
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church who are sick, she teaches Sunday school. She is
a pillar of this church. Everyone knew and loved her. Now,
this is how Candy and Betty met and became friends,
and the two families met at church. So there's a
few things going on here that lead up to this. So,
for one, Betty and Alan had a daughter, Melissa, who
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at the time of the murder was five, and she
and Alan had decided that it was time to try
for another child. Betty took this very very seriously, and she,
I guess, in a way kind of obsessed over it.
Their love life became very regimented. It was scheduled. It
was not passionate at all. It was very like, Okay,
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I'm opulating, we gotta go. And it started to wear
on Alan and he was like, I can't keep up
with this. He's traveling half the time. If he was
traveling while it was her fertile window, she would start
to stress out. Also, Betty was a school teacher and
a mom. Alan has gone a lot from his job
and she hated this because it stressed her out. She's like,
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I am at school with kids all day. I've got
the kids at home. I don't have any help. Meanwhile,
While all this is happening, Candy has moved to a
small town. She's a little bit bored. She felt like
her sex life with her husband had grown dull, and
she just started to have this this need for adventure.
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And one day at church, Candy and Alan are involved
in a volleyball match at the church, and Candy recalled
that Alan runs past her at one point, runs into her,
knocks her down, and his scent caught her attention. She's like, oh,
he smells really good. I don't know, like good. What
kind of cologne was Alan wearing? I don't know? And
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she liked it, So she starts to get this idea
in her head.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So a few days later, she approaches Alan when he's
been a parking lot at the church. She gets in
the car, she's the death of the two of them, Like,
I mean, she's point playing. Okay, let's start an affair,
no strings attached, just for fun, no feelings, and the
second anyone catches feelings, it's over. We're done. Well, eventually
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he's like, yeah, let's.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Do this, but he agrees to not right away, to
be fair, not right right away.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, neither one of them really wanted to leave their marriage.
They were both happy. They just wanted to spice things
up a little bit so to ensure it wasn't crossing
into the relationship zone. They split costs on everything, the hotels,
the lunches. They wouldn't meet every other week, they'd have
a packed lunch. Sounds very scheduled, sounds almost regimented a
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little bit, which Alan was, you know, whatever, but they
did it. They continued for about ten months, but then
Alan and Betty went on a couple's retreat that was
sponsors the church and it focused on ninting marriages and
reconnecting a couple. This retreat was eye opening for Alan.
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He bought it, hooked a client and sinker, and he
started instantly regretting the affair and he wanted to focus
on his family. So he decides he's going to break
it off with Candy. It was about six months before
the murder, which is an important fact that people argue about.
They're saying, why would Candy ask her friend forty one
times if the affair had been over for six months?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And what's now interesting Here's when Jen is saying that
it was all very planned. It was all very regimented,
no joke like they met up multiple times and they
planned this. This was very much not an affair that
just happened because two people fell a spark and things escalated.
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You know. No dude would call her and be like,
let's go meet and work on the schedule, and like
they had a plan and like would write it out
and yeah, it was. It was a thing. And that
was how though. They were protecting themselves in their minds
from hurting their spouses. They look, I love my spouse.
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I don't want to hurt him or her. I just
you know, this is just this is just for fun,
that's and they were trying. They were trying to spell
all the details to protect themselves. So that's gonna go great, right,
So now I lost my place, Oh thank you. So
fast forward to six months later, after the affair is over,
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Betty's daughter is spending the night with Candy, forgets her swimsuit.
Candy goes to the Gore's house to get it. Betty
ends up dead. We know all this right, So again
what happened because Candy is now on trial for the
murder and she takes the stand in her defense. We're
seeing a lot of this in a lot of our
episodes lately, which is just total side notes. But uh,
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and you know, in a lot of cases it doesn't
help murdaal it doesn't help. In this case, it actually
does so on the stand, Candy recalls during the eight
day trial that she went to the Gors house to
get the swimsuit and they get there, they're talking can alicsa,
come spend the night. How are things going? Oh, you
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got a new dog? They talk about their new puppy,
and then Betty confronts Candy and says, are you having
an affair with Alan? And Candy says no, and Candy's mine.
She's not lying because she's not having an affair with
Alan anymore. And Betty says, but you did, and Canny
says yes. So Candy comes clean. Betty gets up, she
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walks into the other room. She comes back with an
axe and Candy's like, whoa, what are you? What are
you doing? I'm just gonna go, I'm gonna leave. Well,
Betty puts it down, says leave him alone, don't come
near him again, And on her way out, Candy kind
of touches her arm and says, Betty, I'm so sorry.
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And Betty goes into this rage, hicks the axe back up,
swings it at Candy, but kind of misses her and
it hits down and cuts her toe. Now, keep in mind,
this is all on the stand. This is all coming
from Candy Montgomery because she's the only surviving witness. She's
the only one who actually knows what happened. So let's
talk about her toe for a second. The pictures are
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out there for a toe. It's a big cut. I
think it's either on the second or third toe. But
this is Lindsay talking here. It does not look like
an axe hit it it. I'm pretty sure the toe
would be cut off right like if an axe hit it.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
So look, it really just depends on the velocity and
how near the blade was to the foot, Like if
it just happened to graze it, so well, all lay down.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well and that's that's the So they said that the
cut was just under an inch. To me in the pictures,
it looks more like indented and swollen. It's definitely swollen,
it's definitely red. It's straight, but it's under an inch long. Now,
this is a this is a three foot axe. It's
got a big it's got a big blade on it.
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If that whole blade came down, it would have been
a lot worse than that. Okay, well, that's.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
That's that's coming off. I'm looking at this now that's
coming off.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
The chest.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
No, I'll put it in chat. I'm looking at the
picture coming off. If that's an axe, that's that's not
there anymore. I think the tooth.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Coming off off.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Y'all thinking that's coming off?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, an ax. An ax is not going to stop
at the skin like that. It's going to go straight
for the boat.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
That's what I'm saying. So you don't think this was
an axe?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
She does tell people it is from the storm door
in her house. In the metal piece left.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It well, so like so like maybe like so my
thought was, okay, that's too small and not deep enough
to be an axe. So maybe the corner hit her.
The corner of the axe got her, But then it
would be shaped kind of triangular, not straight like this.
This is straight? Like are we on the same page
with that?
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Or am I is across the toe as well? It's not. Yeah,
it's not a glance in blow.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
It's right across the middle exactly exactly, and it doesn't
go onto the other toe. It's angled like this, it
would have gone onto that that second toe there. So anyway,
that's what she's saying about the toe. I thought it
was also weird. So could it have been from Candy
herself swinging the axe or she hit it on something
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or cut it on something throughout the course of a struggle,
don't really know. But Candy does go on to say
that they wrestled. Betty's not giving up. She keeps coming
at her, so she had to knock Buddy to the floor.
She grabbed the axe and she just started swinging.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Well, because Kenny goes on to say that they wrestled,
Betty wasn't giving up, she said, she starts swinging now.
The prosecution is arguing that Betty was hit forty one time,
usually in self defense, one or two really good flows,
and you're right, it's a little bit of overkill and
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if it was self defense again, she should have ran.
Like Katy said on the stand that the affair had
been over again for like six to seven months now.
The diffence argues that she meant that she was okay
with the ending and she had no reason to hurt
Betty or to kill Betty. The prosecution argues that this
meant that she was jaded about it ending and wanting
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to get rid of it. So you have, of course,
the two colored opposites, Hey we were done, we're good,
or hey, they were done and I didn't want it
to be done. Now, Allan testifies as well and seems
to confirm that the affair did end. So you have
the cheek spouse here saying, so, look, it was over.
And he also said that Candy had never been to
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their store troom, not even sure she knew they had
an AX, but she definitely didn't know where the AX was.
And he confirmed that his wife had been depressed when
he had left that morning, thinking that she may be
pregnant again. So Betty's got a lot going on. You know,
she's got postpartum from the second baby. They're trying for
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a third.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well, they didn't try for the third, they tried for
the second. She got postpartum with both. She thinks she's
pregnant with the third. Alan leaves town that morning and
she's like, I think I'm pregnant. I can't do this.
I can't handle another one. I'm not even in a
good spot from the second one yet, And she does
have a documented like she's treated for anxiety, depression, all
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these things. That was that was very real.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Now the defense brings forth a very inter and witness
to Rebut all of this a psychologist had hypnotized Candy
and uncovered that during the fight. Betty said at one
point to Candy like hush. Now, apparently this unlocked rage
and Candy because she had child the trauma, there is
a dissociative reaction that where she wasn't in control. So again,
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nineteen eighties psychology is so fun. They really focused hard
on childhood drama and during that time. Now, the event
in question was when she was four, lost a race,
broke a glass jar and cut herself with the jar. Now,
when she was hostilized at seton crying, her mother was
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telling her, you know, just shushing her. I just try
to calm her down. So actually this is a traumatic event.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
So and it goes on to say, here's the argument.
Here is she got her she got cut with the glass,
she had lost this race, she got mad through the
jar backfired hit her in the head. Her mother allegedly said,
what will people think of you? In the waiting room,
And so the psychologist argument is this was not just
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some thing that got triggered this Friday the thirteenth, but
that that was her reason, her whole life for being
a people pleaser, and she didn't even know it. That's
why she was taking the food to people and doing
all the things, is because what will the people think?
Because her mom said what will the people in the
waiting room think? And it created this whole what will
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people think of me? And for whatever reason, when Betty said,
it sent her into a rage where she murdered her
with an axe forty one times.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I mean, to be fair, that could have been the
first part of a coursework.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, is that traumatic enough to bring forth murderous rage?
Like when I'm thinking of childhood trauma, that's going to
make someone rage. It's going to be real heavy, real
bad stuff. It ain't gonna be like who hasn't been
in the er, you know?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I mean, I said, eighties psychology is so interesting. If
you have like can't sleep one night, you want to
start goggling some of the theories and what the philosopher's
thinking during that time. It is a very interesting error
for psychology.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
But Katy told this psychologist, I didn't think I couldn't
think at all when she came rushing back to me.
I hit her, and I hit her, and I hit
her and I hit her.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
So I think that says a lot more about Candy,
you know, because Katie was a once. She's the military
brat where she's traveled around a lot, and she didn't
really have any connections, and you know, it was always
moving every three or so for years. So the fact
that this murder's rate was triggered, I don't think I
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had to do a lot with that moment in the
r is probably more of a time.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If if if it's a thing at all, if it
don't seem I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm trying here to get the benefit of a doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, I'm not gonna tell somebody they shouldn't have trauma.
I just feel like that's an extreme reaction to that
particular incident. So basically this argument, and kouds.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
To her for remembering that when since what was she
for at the time. Yeah, so kudos for remembering what
happened when you're four years old.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, she didn't until she was hypnotized apparently, so, which
is also problematic in itself. Hypnotization is anyway I want
to say that would never fly today. Let's just put
it that way. So this argument here basically paints Betty
is uncontrollable, saying that Betty flew off the handle first
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until Candy unlocks trauma and becomes uncontrollable herself. Well, is
there anything to back that Betty would be an uncontrollable,
angry person. There's one witness, the reverend at the church,
who testifies and said that both women often disagreed with
things that he did. They didn't always love how he
ran the church, but he said that Candy always handled
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them calmly, while Betty quote seemed to be angry with
me constantly. Now, Betty was a school teacher, and she
was known as the strict school teacher. There were some,
you know, conflicts with parents, conflicts with kids. She was
the strict, rigid one, and she there were people who
described her as just kind of generally like an anxious person.
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Now that does not you know, so, am I I
have anxiety? And you know that doesn't mean that she
picked up an axe and threatened her best friend by
any means. She did have the history of postpartum depression.
So when we get to the TV piece of it.
Jen remind me to put my spin on what I
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told you. That scene kind of kind of played out
in my head. So there were other church witnesses who
testified to seeing Candy after the murder, because, like Jen said,
we know she went back to teach Bible school, and
they said she seemed perfectly fine. Her clothes were fine,
she seemed fine. Would this be or not be the
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case if it was self defense? In my mind, someone
who kills someone and then goes back to normal is
like psychopathic. Now I'm not sick. That's that's a rash
conclusion to jump to. But she was acting perfectly normal.
Maybe she was just a really good actress. That's also possible. However,
she did tell multiple people at the church that she
had lost track of time because she was late getting
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back to the church because her watch had stopped. My
watch just randomly stopped. I had to go get the
swimsuit and run a target, and my watch stopped and
I lost track of time. Why did her watch stop?
Could that have been damaged because of an incident? Who knows?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Now?
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Another argument was brought forth by the defense that Candy
is and to be honest, she is a little bitty.
She's very petite. She's about five two wish she's what
one hundred and something pounds? I mean she's little. Now
Betty's five to eight, she has more of a wider structure.
She's definitely bigger than Candy. So why would Candy attack
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a person that's but like six inches half a foot
taller than she is, with way more body weight than
she has? And not only that, she's attacking someone who's
attacking her with an act that's running towards an axe
is probably not a good idea. You probably won't run
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the other way.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Well, YaCy Montgomery is going to initiate this attack, why
would she do it?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Is she trying to grab?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Is she going to grab a three foot act? Maybe
maybe that's all she could find. Maybe she did and
that's all she could find. But would it make sense
for someone who's two inches taller than me to grab
this big, heavy weapon? That is a question.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Two inches.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So it says five to two on here, but it
was five one. That's a typo. She was five one, Yeah,
So would Candy being five to one have grabbed like
this three foot axe that's that's gonna weigh half as
much as she does.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Oh no, I guess she needed to reach the face.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Could be I mean that could be. So now I
lost my spot again.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Hmmm, Oh, we need to talk about intent. So Canny
goes over there to get this bump suit for Betty's
daughter to take Betty's daughter to the next day she
spending the night. Is the intent there? That says gin
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Jen goes to Lindsay's house to get a bathing suit
for Lindsay's daughter. I see an axe. I kill Lindsay
just to go back to the vacation file school. It
doesn't sound premeditated. It definitely sounds more of a this
just happened during that time spring.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
If it was premeditated, again, why would you go for that?
The axe seems interesting. So all of these questions are
coming up during trial, and the argument of the bloody
thumb print comes up, and the prosecution says, okay, well,
look that's pretty obvious. Her bloody thumb print is at
the scene. The defense has, uh, not so fast. She
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was in that house all the time they were friends.
The print could have been there before then smeared with blood. Well,
it was kind of like imprinted on there. So with
this next point that we're going to talk about. It
had a big effect. So keep in mind, though when
we say this that we are in the eighties, we're
in nineteen eighty. We're not even in the eighties, we're
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in eighty. So a polygraph expert testified and said that
he didn't believe that Candy planned to kill Betty because
her results for being untruthful showed the same result for
did you kill Betty Gore, to which she said yes,
and did you intend to kill Betty Gore to what
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she said no, they were the same. She was not
being untruthful for either of those questions. She also passed
the question about Betty presenting the acts first today. Again,
this would not fly, but they did allow this evidence
in and everyone's like, oh, she passed a polygraph test. Now.
Also of note, during the trial, they're like, Candy, you
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had an affair with Alan Gore? Yes, she says, yes.
Did you have an affair with anyone else where? Yes?
She had another affair after allan that did not last
nearly as long. It lasted about a month and then
it fizzled out as well, So she had to her
husband has got to be like, what the hell is
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happening right now, because that is how he found out. Now,
he did know about Alan. He found a little love
letter from Alan at one point before all this happened,
if you like, It was after the affair had ended,
but before Betty was murdered. So he actually did know,
and he took responsibility for not being a good husband
and all that, and they were going to work through it. Well,
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now he finds out about number two. So is this relevant? Well,
the prosecution says, no, it's not relevant. She can do
what she wants. The defense says, yes, it is relevant
because she didn't kill anyone the second time, and not
only that, it shows that she was over allan So
why would she want to kill Betty?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now? After all this is said in debt, So let's
talk the jury. The jury's three fourth women, one fourth,
and then they deliberated for four hours. That's the quick deliberation,
because you know, when you get in you have to
do certain things administraight up. So this was real quick,
and we see quick deliberations all the time. They don't
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come back good. This one came back astounding. They equit
her on murder, they acquit her on manslaughter, They didn't
charge her for anything.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
We like with the with murder, everyone was shocked because
the verdict was so quick, and a lot of times
it's like, oh, well, I mean these guilty everybody got
in there and they were like, oh you did it.
This one was a complete opposite.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I can't believe you didn't get charge for man's laughter.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yeah, and then so I was kind of floored. I
was like, you know, when I first watched one of
the shows on it, which we'll get to, I was
kind of floored because I hadn't heard it before then.
But here's what did it. The jury said that the
prosecution didn't bring forth any evidence that it wasn't self defense. So,
in other words, we know Candy did it. Candy said
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she did it. It was the why, and the prosecution
is focusing on her cleaning up after she cleaned up
after she could have done that if it was self defense, well,
she left the baby alone. She could have done that
if it was self defense. And it was the prosecution's
job to prove that case. You're innocent till proven guilty.
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The defense doesn't have to prove that you're innocent. You
got to prove that somebody's guilty. And they said. Everything
they said proved that she did murder her. She had
the blood print, blah blah blah blah blah, she had
the shoes, she had all this stuff proof she did it.
It doesn't prove how it happened. And they were like,
we just couldn't get pasted. We don't know how the
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story played out.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Well, not only that, you know she comes in to
get this suit. They know Betty's history at this point,
and she didn't come in with a weapon. She used
what was there, which shows it could have been self defense. Now,
as much as they thought it was the least probable
that or Candy had used daily force to overpower someone
bigger than herself. So they're saying disc was a catalyst.
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This is the reason why she had to defend herself. Now,
Candy and Pat did divorce. She got I put.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Up with all this for a while.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Just say it four years.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Four years.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Well, she got a job as a therapists. Yeah, she
lives under a different name. So wish her the best,
wish her all the recovery. Now, I will say some
of the best therapists were the damage fores, because it's.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
A lot of damage regardless of and you know what.
Maybe she worked through I I don't know. I have
not talked to Candy Montgomery surprised.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
All right, So the arguments against this verdict. Right, So
here we have Candy, we have like, I'm gonna play opposition.
I think she should have been charged or convicted right
because she left the eleven months in the crypt. To
be fair, she Candy did not know Alan was outatand
she thought that he was going to be home, So
(38:25):
this thirteen hour window could have only been four.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I also saw an argument too where someone was like,
uh it, let's just say for a second that she
was attacked by her best friend. She's not thinking about that.
She's like, oh my god, I got to get out
of here. This just I just murdered someone, regardless no
matter how it played out. She could have completely forgotten
about the baby because that was, regardless of how it happened,
a traumatic event in her brain.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Oh, murdering someone is a traumatic event. Absolutely. Now the
defensive wounds on Betty. If you're swinging a next with somebody,
they're I have defensive points.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Well, and that's the thing I think that does it
for me the most, because I I think that it
is plausible, plausible that it did play out the way
Candy said, but not likely. And I think it's because
of the defensive wounds on Betty. Again keeping in mind
that Candy is a lot smaller. She did she had
(39:22):
bruises and stuff, but they were not defensive wounds. And
then this whole toe thing. She came out pretty unscathed.
For for when someone else is getting hit forty one times,
it's not proportional. Yeah, and that to me, I think
is the biggest thing, all right, And.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
The overtill forty one times, clean up a tent. So
the fact that she took a shower there, the fact
that she would she cleaned her clothes, changed clothes, cleaned them,
and went back. So the fact, okay, let's let's move
past the whole defense versus aggression. That's that's a pretty
(40:07):
boss lady. It's to do that, get cleaned up, and
go back to church.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
If another thing for me, And again I cannot say
what everyone is going to do because everyone responds differently.
In my what I hope is a rational mind, it
would say, if it's self defense and I kill someone,
the first thing I'm going to do is pick up
the phone and call nine one one. I'm not going
(40:33):
to jump in the shower. I'm not going to try
to clean up the scene. I'm going to be like,
oh my god, because if it's really truly self defense,
that's gonna show.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
If it's self defense, you're probably gonna more panic and
not do the normal things like call the police, have
a shower, clean up, and be.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Like okay, fair, Yeah, but again, where true comes justice.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
But like I said, my rational mind, who has never
in this situation, that's what I would like to hope
never will. Yeah, that's what I would like to think
I would do. But again, definitely never been in this situation,
Thank goodness. But that's a fair point. That's a fair point.
So that's some of the arguments that people have for Okay,
Candy initiated this, Candy was the aggressor. Now, some of
(41:18):
the pro Candy arguments is that Candy was small, Betty
was bigger. Candy wouldn't have chosen an axe. The polygraph
people say, oh, well she passed the polygraph. Now, of
course we know now that that's not reliable, but I
do think that that had a big, big impact on
this trial. Also, people say Candy was super, super busy
(41:41):
that day. She was all over the place. She went
to target, she went to Bible school. She was not
accounting for during the time of the murder, which we know,
but other folks had her all over the place that day.
If it was premeditated and she had all these things
on her calendar, why would she have done it? Then
that's another argument for it. So we're running away boy,
what's that?
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Great? And an O one boy I was too busy
to do?
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Also fair also a fair solid point. Now we're way
that time, so let's hit the true crime theater portion
of this quickly. So there is an old adapted for
TV movie that won an Emmy and Golden Globe Award,
and it's called A Killing in a Small Town. I
actually could not find the year that that came out,
(42:25):
because I actually learned about that one about ten minutes
before we started recording. But the two big ones that
we're going to talk about is Candy, which is the
mini series on Hulu. It stars Jessica Bill and Melanie Lynsky,
which are two of my favorite actresses. Came out in
twenty twenty two. I watched it when I had COVID,
and I think we actually talked about it in the
(42:46):
Discord channel when I was watching it, brawl you TEENI
bobbers her husband. Justin Timberlake does make a small recurring appearance.
It's five episodes, and then also Love and Death came
out in twenty twenty three on h BO Max. Same story,
but Elizabeth Olsen plays Candy. It also stars Lily Rabe,
(43:06):
Kristin Ritter, and Tom Pelfrey. Both shows were nominated for
various awards. On Love and Death that actually ended up
being HBO Max's most watch original limited series globally. Jen
watched Candy and I watched both. Well, I watched most
(43:27):
of Love and Death and I watched all of Candy
Love and Death. I was telling Jen before we started recording,
there was when I watched Candy, I was like, oh, man,
Candy crazy. She did you know? She initiated it? Whatever.
When I was watching Love and Death, I did have
(43:49):
this moment where I was like, you know what, I
actually can see it because the way they portrayed it
is Candy goes over there to get this swimsuit. They're talking,
Betty confronts her. Betty has just had this complete panic moment.
This earlier that morning thinking she's pregnant. She does have
still postpartum depression from the second child. She actually had
(44:11):
it with the first as well. She is being treated
and they show her and I don't know that it
actually happened this way. Candy Montgomery did not say it did,
but they portrayed it this way where she has the acts.
She says, stop seeing him. Candy goes to leave, puts
her hand on her and says, I'm so sorry, Betty.
(44:34):
Betty grabs her with the axe in her hand and says,
you can't have him. I'm pregnant. I can't do this
by myself. Again, you can't do this, you can't have him,
and then Candy fights back. And I did have this
moment or where I was like, you know what, I
can actually see how that escalated because she did have
the fight with Alan that morning, being super stressed out
(44:54):
about I can't handle another baby, and that for me,
I was like, that actually does make some sense. So
there you go. There you have it.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It's super interesting story.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, so curious y'all thought you had them. Feel free
to share them.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Particularly challenged he intern or Lizzie Borden there for sure.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah. Forty one forty one. Uh, hacks is a lot.
And actually speaking of you know Lizzy Borden. They had
the poem, well, the trial ended just a few days
before Halloween, and it was such a big deal around town.
(45:36):
The people were dressing up as Candy Montgomery with a
bloody axe for Halloween and they created a poem and
here's I'm sorry, here's what it says. Candy Montgomery was
a whore. She screwed around with Alan Gore. When Betty
Gore brought it up, Candy used an axe to cut
her up and Colin County murders. Okay, if you go
(45:56):
to church and pray and don't worry adultery school, if
you teach Sunday school. So that is the poem about
Candy Montgomery savage. Yeah, all right, So what do y'all think?
Who's the instigator with a forty one wax?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
That's kind of yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Did she had gotten manslaughter?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
At least?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Just one or two? I could buy that child to
fiddle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
More so, going with that train of thought, Matt, let's
going with that. How do you think it played out? Then?
Do you think she went over there looking for an excuse,
looking for something to use, Like, how do you think
that played out? I'm not sure. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
I don't think it was. I don't think I think
it was your name. She felled, killed, the eye scu
pulled out, she felt threads played.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I think that's probably, like my gut tells me that that.
I agree with you. I can like I said, I
think it is plausible it happened the way Candy said.
But I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I'm going on premeditated.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Really yep, Okay, all right, tell us about it. Why
the acts?
Speaker 3 (47:23):
Then the busy day, the acts so she could reach Okay,
it's a heavy weapon. It's it's gonna do the damage.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
So she went over there, panned out. I've been seen
over here, over here. She's gone there, she's killed her,
she's cleaned up, she's got change, got showered, gone back
to church.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
So interesting thing that you just said, And Jen, you
brought this up before we recorded. Andy was a very
structured person. We know this because she planned out her affair.
She planned out the lunches, she planned it all out.
She had her paper. They were they were plotting. So
the a there was incredibly premeditated for like I don't know,
(48:05):
like weeks or like a month or something, with a
lot of meticulous planning. So there you go that you
could be right, you could be right. Okay, well we
will go ahead and wrap this minute because I'm Patreon.
This story's supposed to be thirty minutes and we're now
at fifty. So sorry, guys, So we're going to go
ahead and stop the recording on this end. Hope everyone
(48:26):
has a safe and happy holiday season. You guys, stay on,
We're just stopping the recording, so Gen you wine to
sign us off.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
All right, guys, you know what they said to Fila. Shit,
Bye bye,
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