Robin "Rocky" Myers: Road to Redemption Ch. 3 - Dirty Laundry - Corpus Delicti

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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey everyone, it's Jen and this is Lindsay and welcome
back to Corpus Delictai. We are now venturing into chapter three,
Dirty Laundry again.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
If you are just joining us, this is now the
third part of a five ish part series. Still kind
of waiting to see how all that falls out. But
so if you have not heard part one and two,
you need to go back. When we left off last time,
we were about halfway through Rocky's trial. But before we
pick that up, we actually have some updates that we

(00:55):
want to provide. We seriously every time we turn around,
are learning something new about this case, finding something else,
finding an archived something, and just when I think we've
got it all, we find something else. So a few
things that we want to elaborate on before we pick
up on the trial. So there was a newspaper article

(01:18):
that we found from the day after Ludy May Tucker
was murdered, and it said that they were unsure if
this attack was related to the other invasions on elderly people.
So apparently there had been other invasions in the community
targeted towards elderly people. They said that this one was

(01:40):
different because no one else had died. It's the only
one that turned fatal, but there had been other attacks,
which is really important, I think because who was in
the area at the time of those an did anyone
go back and look and say, was Rocky around those?
Was Cool Breeze around those? Was anyone else around those
that we haven't looked yet? So that's kind of a

(02:01):
big deal there.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Miss Tucker did have a boyfriend and they had gotten
into a verbal argument that evening. However, her cousin at
the time said she was sure it was not him
who had came to the house. She would have recognized
his voice, plus nothing else added up that it would
have been the boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, it's similar to Rocky. She could have just said, hey,
it was him instead of explaining everything.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And this was the biggest bombshell that we had found
out just today that before Cool Breeze was arrested, there
were three three other suspects on the list who they
wanted to try and run prints against. Now we're not
sure why they were suspects, but they did have track

(02:49):
records which were consistent with theft. Not sure if they
were followed up on them or how they were eliminated.
Were still coming through some extra documents to see if
it's there, but we don't have that just yet.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
What I am thinking in my head here is that
they've got these guys maybe based on similar history, they
want to at least look at them, maybe they fit
the description. Then cool Breeze comes along. They think they've
got the guy, so they never go back and look
at those guys, and then comes Rocky. So maybe it's

(03:23):
as simple as they just thought they had the right guy.
Another thing that we did confirm is we talked in
the last episode about the jury selection and how you
try to get an impartial jury, but you know you
have to try. If you see something wrong with a
potential juror, you have to step up and challenge it. Well.

(03:43):
John May's Rocky's attorney. He and Larry Madison did try
to strike some of the jurors, but it was actually denied.
So they saw some of the problems with those jurors
and they said, hey, we see something here that we
don't like. We don't we think it's going to hinder
this trial, and it was denied.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
They also had allotted for one thousand dollars for an
investigator for the defense. You know, that really isn't a
lot to go on, especially when you're having to do
a lot of footwork, a lot of interviewing and trying
to find out who really did the murder. One thousand
dollars to not go very far.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, think about a professional investigator. Is that a week's salary.
I don't know if that's high or low, but that
can't get you too terribly far in a case where
there's not much evidence and you're having to do, like
you said, a lot of footwork where you're talking to
people and all that. And we had also talked in
the last episode about the possibility of there being two VCRs.

(04:46):
We did find two statements where two different people involved
in the case said that they didn't have a reason
to believe that there were two VCRs. One of them
was one of the officers. The other one, I want
to say was John Mays. But I'll have to go
back and look. But two people said I don't think
there were two VCRs. My question is, though we know

(05:08):
they did not actively go search the shot house, so
can we actually really be sure.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
So let's get back to the case, and right now
we are about halfway through the trial.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Let's pick right up with the next witness, which is
marz Elle Ewing. So I know there's a lot of
players in this case, so we're going to do our
best to try to put reminders out there about who
is who. But if you remember, he was the one
who was arrested for stealing a car and he implicated Rocky.
He said, yeah, I saw him sell the VCR. So
Marzell Ewing gets up on the stand. He admits to

(05:42):
helping Butch sell his drugs. He says twice that day
he went over to Butch's sometime between two and three
in the afternoon. He was there helping Butch wax his car,
and Rocky came up to buy drugs. He had known
Rocky for about a year, so he vouched for him
with Butch. We know Butch is the businessman. He doesn't
want to get into the wrong person's hands. But Marzella

(06:05):
is like, yeah, that's Rocky, he's cool.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Later that night he went back over And this is
going to be about nine o'clock. We're going to do
a little Q and A. Because this is the trial.
Lindsey is going to pick up her role for the
prosecutor and the defense, and I'm going to revise my
Emmy womening performance as the person on the stand.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
While you were sitting over there that evening, did you
see anybody bring in a VCR?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Can you tell us about what time that was?

Speaker 1 (06:36):
It was late that night. It was somewhere around midnight
or one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Who did you see bring in the VCR? Robin the
defendant over there that you've identified. Yes, what did he
do with the VCR when he came in?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
He brought it in and laid it up there, and
Butch looked at it, and they made transactions, and he
started walking towards the door, and he told him it
better were he said it did all right.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So there he's kind of setting the timeline when he
saw Rocky, what he said and all that. He goes
on to say that he Marselle Ewing stayed at the
shothouse until about four or five that morning, which was
after Butch left. Now let's cut back to Butch's testimony
for a second, because remember Butch said that he packed
up for the night a few minutes after Rocky left,

(07:24):
He sold the VCR, hung out for just a few
minutes and then he's done. So keep this in mind,
because now Marselle Ewing has Rocky arriving sometime between midnight
and one o'clock, leaving right after selling the VCR. Rocky
didn't hang around, so that timeline doesn't match up with

(07:45):
what we heard. However, Marzelle says, well, Butch didn't leave
right away after selling the VCR, and he hung out
for a while that night. But again, there's a lot
more about Marzelle and why he's telling in this story
to come, and that's actually in the next episode, so
don't put too much faith in that now.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Sergeant Hale, one of the men who interviewed Rocky when
he was arrested, testified next. Much of this was the
same as we have already discussed. He did make particular
note that Rocky said he never touched the victim's phone
or anything, even though they never asked. Now, the sergeant
thought that this was weird or peculiar that he just

(08:28):
offered this information. The interview isn't recorded, so there is
no way to verify that the police did not hint
to him about did you touch the phone, did you
go into the house, did you ever go in to
make an order for fast food or delivery food? So
we don't know if it was if it was suggested

(08:51):
to him, or if he just offers this up.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
But to be fair, it's in the newspapers. It's it's
information that's out there. And also are people talking about
it because it was in the newspaper. And this also
wasn't a statement that Rocky gave and signed. This is
them going off their own recollection, so after Rocky leaves,
they're writing down a summary of it, so it's not
a word for word recollection. He also said that at

(09:15):
one point Rocky stopped answering questions and he had told
him at one point, Rocky, you're looking at possibly a
life sentence, and Rocky responded by saying, I could do
a life sentence standing on my head. And while Sergeant
Hall is talking about all this on the stand, he's

(09:35):
saying it in a way that implied guilt. He's kind
of like, well, he stopped answering our questions as soon
as we started talking about murder and all that. Well,
that's actually a smart thing to do. That's what you're
supposed to do. And the whole statement where Rocky says
I could do a life sentence standing on my head
Rocky's playing tough guy. He's talking big here. He's trying

(09:56):
not to be intimidated because a lot of times a
life sentence implies parole which can be finished in seven years,
ten years, fifteen years. So he's saying, no big deal,
I could do that easily, So I have no reason
to lie to you. You're not scaring me. I wouldn't
lie to you because I could do this sentence.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
This is one of those points where May's really stepped
up and did a great job being his lawyer, because
Mays totally called him out and said this doesn't indicate anything,
and that if he wasn't scared of a life sentence,
he has no reason to lie to you. After this,
doctor Kenneth Warner testified about the autopsy. Now we are

(10:39):
not going to go into a lot of detail here
because we already know the details of her four stab wounds,
but there is one thing that we did want to
touch on. He talked about how there was blood in
the Perry cardile cavity in the left chest cavity that's.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Not really normally where blood goes.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
So next up we have r. Morison. He is from
the sorology department and he is going to talk about
Cool Breeze's clothes, because, as we know, missus Tucker and
Miss Dutton described the attacker as wearing a white shirt
had blood on it, and we know that other people
have said they've seen Rocky in dark clothing. Well, Roger

(11:19):
Morrison was given clothing from Cool Breeze Anthony Valentine's home,
and there was a small blood stain found on the
left side of the shirt and it was about an
eighth of an inch in diameter to a quarter of
an inch in diameter. So Roger Morrison takes this blood test,
sit it's not from Miss Tucker, it's not from Miss Dutton,

(11:43):
and it was the same type in all respects that
were actually tested to Anthony Vallentine. So in other words,
it was most likely his own blood. So let's be honest,
that's really not that big of a blood stain, right,
But keep in mind the testimony from the autopsy, Miss

(12:03):
Tucker's wounds were not deep except for one and a
lot of the blood was leaking into those cavities, which
is what Jen described as well as out all that
to say the blood may not have been pardoned. The
lack of a better description, but may not have been
just totally flying out onto the killer, if that makes sense.
And there's actually a theory about this. Remember Officer Tilly

(12:28):
said that Miss Tucker told him that the killer was
wearing a plaid shirt at first. Now that's the only
time we hear about the plaid shirt, so we don't
know if he misheard, they misheard, it wasn't actually plaid,
or it was. But could it have been an unbuttoned
plaid shirt sitting over the white shirt. Hence only a

(12:51):
tiny bit of blood got on the white shirt. So
let's say for a moment that this was cool breeze
and he's wearing a white shirt, he's got a plaid
shirt on over it. He injures himself somehow. We know
that happens a lot in stabbings. He takes off the
plaid shirt after the murderer throws it away, thinking everything
is on that outer shirt, which just leaves that white shirt,

(13:13):
and that's how he gets blood on it, not realizing
it's there.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Also, Miss Tucker didn't specify if the man arrived with
the blood or left with the blood on the shirt.
So if Big Big, if he was the killer, we're
not saying that he is, but should he have had
more blood on him that wasn't his own. Now, again

(13:38):
that covering shirt is a theory, but remember he was
seen with a bleeding hand earlier that night and it
was a cut. Now, if you remember back to the
nine to one one call, she kept saying a cut,
a cut. So we assume when we first see the

(13:58):
words from the nine one one call, thinking she is cut,
but she stabbed? So could she have been pointing out
that her killer had a cut on his hand because
she was in the middle of trying to describe the attacker. However,
there was a picture of Breeze in the evidence where
he did indeed have a skinned knuckle that could have

(14:21):
caused some bleeding.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
So next we have John Kilbourne. He's a trace evidence
analyst and he studied miss Tucker's clothing for any hair,
anything like that, any sort of how we talked about
in the last series, you know, the touch DNA, anything
like that that might be on these clothes that they
could use. The only thing that he found was a

(14:45):
hair from a Caucasian which could have been her own. Now,
a hair it has to have certain properties. It's it's
not a perfect science, but it could have been her
own hair. It was not that of a black mail thing.
Else was found. So let's pause here because we got
to bring up another point that's talked about a lot

(15:06):
in reference to this case. Remember back to episode one,
Rocky suffered from severe ezema. His skin was known to
crack and flake, yet they found no skin cells anywhere.
We also said that it caused his hair to fall out.
There was no hair anywhere. And the officers who interviewed

(15:27):
Rocky originally even remember seeing his arms in pretty bad
shape during the interview, and they recalled seeing it peeling off,
so that was definitely a thing. And also, let's remember
miss Tucker's injuries. We talked about how they kind of
gradually traveled down her body. They start up at the shoulder,
then it's kind of near the stomach. I'm not an expert,

(15:48):
but it has always made me wonder if the killer
fell and you know, got that first stab in and
then had fallen maybe to his knees or something like that.
Which if that's the case, and if it were Rocky,
surely there would have been some trace of skin.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
So let's keep on with the dirty laundry. Johnny Croker
comes next and talks about how he was the one
who went through Breeze's laundry. They also found a knife
which had a broken handle. Now is it the knife?
We don't know because it could have been the same type.
Note this as well, they went through Rocky's house. They

(16:30):
did not find anything such as clothing or murder weapon
that matched anything. Now, he only had maybe five to
six pairs of clothing, none of which matched the description
that she gave to the police or the nine one
one operator. This is back speaking to Johnny Crocker. He

(16:52):
tells how Percy Yarbough brought him the VCR and how
they had dusted it for Prince. Now, remember yarbro brought
the VCR from the shothouse to the police station, so
it had relatively touched Rocky's hands, Butcher's hands, his sister's hands,

(17:14):
possibly his sister's hands, and now Percy's. I mean, that's
a lot of people in one night touching this VCR.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And let's go back to the knife for just a second,
because it was the right size and type of knife.
But when you're talking about this type of knife, it's common,
and so that's why we say, is it the knife.
We don't know it could have been, but it also
could not have been. Lots of people carry pocket knives

(17:44):
and small knives, so that, unfortunately, there wasn't a whole
whole lot of testing done on the knife to see.
Now they found it, they took it, but that's all
that they really got from it. Next is Dwight Hale.
He is one of those who question we've already talked
about it. We talked about it in the last episode.
He says the questioning with Rocky took about three and

(18:06):
a half to four hours. Nothing major there. But next
up is Tracy Wolf. Here's where the timeline starts to
get really important. So remember how we talked about Marselle
Ewing saying that Butch didn't leave right after Rocky sold
the VCR and all that. So Tracy Wolf worked at
the hotel that Butch says he stayed in that night.

(18:27):
Remember he left the shothouse, went and stayed in a hotel.
She checked Butch into the hotel after he closed up
shop on this night in question, and receipts show that
he checked in around five am. So this is important
because he says that he had people put the VCR
away and then he called it a night. He went

(18:49):
to waffle House, which was about an hour before he
checked into the hotel. This all is from his statement,
which would be about approximately four am, checked in at
five hours, waffle House four am plus travel time, so
he may have packed up around let's say, three thirty
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Butch himself said that between the second and third and
final time that Rocky appeared, there was an hour in between. Now,
Marzelle said Rocky came sometime between midnight and one. However,
he also says that Butch didn't leave right after Rocky left,
so this would have had Rocky at the shothouse much

(19:28):
later in the evening. And Tyrone, Elliott and that crew
said he saw him right after the murder. So if
Butch didn't leave the house until three thirty, and he
left shortly after Rocky left, that would have put Rocky
at the shothouse between three and three thirty. Why Tyrone

(19:49):
supposedly saw him a little bit after midnight, right, that's
a three hour difference.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's a big difference. But Willie Reese Raybon, who is roadrunner,
was there during this time, So he comes up next,
and we're going to cover a lot of this. There's
a lot here. So remember in the last episode when
we talked about the opening statements and how Rocky's lawyer,
mister Mays was he was taking the route of showing

(20:16):
all these people as liars. He's like, they're all lion
They're all you know, you can't trust them. He said
that Roadrunner Willy Reese Raybon was the worst. And this
is the quote he says, by the time he gets
through testifying, most of you will feel like asking the
bailiff for a can of lysol after he leaves the stand.
So here he is Willy Reese Raybon aka Roadrunner. He

(20:40):
is one of several who says that he saw Cool
Breeze come by three times that night. So we're going
to do We're gonna go back to our role play.
I'll be the attorney's jen is going to be Willy
Reese Roadrunner. This alley way back here, while you were
working for Butch Madden, did you ever run across any
stolen property or items which had been hidden or staffed
in that alleyway?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Did you find stolen property frequently or infrequently stashed in
that alleyway?

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Frequently?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Did you stash some there yourself on occasion, Yes, sir,
so here he is one of those several people we
talked about saying that this alley is a dump spot.
So later on this was said about Breeze coming back
to the house after saying earlier he would be back.
Remember Breeze at one point said I'll be back, man,
I'll be back, and then he did come back, So

(21:30):
we're picking up again.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
He had a bag with him, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
What was he wearing?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
To me, it was like a white sweatshirt.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
All right. Did you observe whether or not he was bleeding?

Speaker 1 (21:40):
He had blood on his hands and a little bit
on his shirt, and he was sweating really hard.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
When he left. Did Cool Breeze have that plastic bag
with him, No, sir, I didn't see it. So then
they move on to asking him about Rocky. Okay, Now,
a VCR was brought to the crack house in the
early morning hours of October fifth, nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yes, sir, who brought it? Rocky?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
When Rocky brought the VCR to the crack house, how
was Rocky dressed.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'd say it was a tan shirt.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I would say a jacket like this but I'm not
sure them what color brownish tan did he have on
anything white?

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I didn't seem white.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So again, here's our brown clothes. The killer was wearing white.
There was nothing white or that fit the description found
in Rocky's house.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Then they asked him why he lied, and his rationale
for this is quote because they were beating on the
desk and they had slung a picture, and I just
told them what they wanted to hear. He goes on
to say that they talked and asked me about it
right then. I didn't give them nothing, no information, and

(22:51):
then they kept on talking to me and gave me
some information about Breeze. I assumed it was Breeze because
of the plastic bag. That plastic bag must not have
had the VCR because Rocky brought it later. So given
his first conversation with the police, he was thinking that
Colebreeze had the VCR in the plastic bag, and that's

(23:13):
what the whole police report was saying. He realizes whatever
was in that plastic bag was not the VCR. So
that was this whole conversation trying to get around, is
you know who actually brought it into the house.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
He does say that one time that night when Breeze
came by, he was in a Chrysler Cordova with some
other people. He was not driving, he was a passenger.
That will be important in a moment. So back to
our questioning, did you have a discussion with Leon Madden
about that VCR wherein Leon Madden told you if the

(23:47):
police ask you about it, you were to say you
knew nothing about it.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
No, sir, he told me not to say netting about
the drugs, the cocaine. He told me also that if
we tell them, they will get our felony.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Cases off our back.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
But at that time I had fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
So we don't know if this is true or not,
but keep this in mind because it could be relevant
later on in the next episode. He does specify that
it was Butch, which is Leon Madden. His street name
is Butch, who told him this, not the police. So
the police weren't saying we'll get these felonies off your back,
but it came from Butch who said the police said this.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
And remember Butch, we think is a confidential informant at
the time.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
So back to the questioning, did you ever tell them
during this two or three hour interview that it wasn't
cool Breeze, no, so that he never even tries to
say that it was rocky at least, Butch said I
tried to tell him it was rocky. They wouldn't believe me.
But he's saying I didn't even try.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
He says how he's known Breeze all of his life,
that they even went to church together. He also read
a statement that when he implicated Breeze, he had about
eight beers and someone with He had also smoked crack.
If you're me and if I were to intake that
amount of alcohol and drugs, I would be flat out

(25:11):
on my butt.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, can he even remember anything?

Speaker 1 (25:13):
But you yet to think he he is a habitual
user and a habitual drinker, so his tolerance may be
a lot higher than what we You know, we hear
that and we're like, oh my gosh, that that's horrible.
He should have been passed out drilling on himself. But
if you're a habitual user, that that could be just this.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Normal eight beer and some whiskey. That's a lot. But
all that to say, he was not in his completely
normal state of mind that night.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
He wasn't on, he wasn't on point for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right, and again that came from his statement. So they
pull his original statement back out while he's on the
stand and they're like, well, in your statement, you said
that you had had a bunch to drink and all this,
and the statement also says that Breeze was wearing dark
So they're like, wait a minute. Your original statement said
that Breeze was wearing dark clothes. You just told us
tonight he was wearing light clothes. And he goes, okay, look,

(26:09):
I've told you now it was actually Rocky. As you're
reading my statement, replace Breeze's name with Rocky in that statement,
and that's what really happened. So in this scenario, this
would mean that it would have had to have been
Rocky wearing dark clothes as well as a hat like
a toboggan. Okay, so he says, I told you all
it was Breeze. I lied. I'm saying it's Rocky. But

(26:34):
take Breeze's name and replace it with Rocky in the
statement and it's true. So they're like, oh, okay, well,
then that would have Rocky and dark clothes. That adds up.
But there's a little more to it than that. This
statement also says that Breeze arrived in a car with
some other folks. Now this is going to be that

(26:55):
Chrysler Cordova that we just talked about a moment ago.
Rocky didn't have a car, He wasn't with anyone that night.
Breeze was. We've already heard that. So that right there
tells you that you can't just take Breeze's name and
put Rocky in its place. And that's how the story
really goes. We know that immediately just from this. And
then it goes on to say the second time Breeze

(27:18):
came back, which he's trying now to say is Rocky,
he was also in a car with other people.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Again the third time when Rocky was supposedly coming back,
he was doing it at a run with the VCR.
They also point out that this statement never mentioned anything
about this plastic bag that that seems to keep popping
into the narrative. So Roadrunner is up on the stand
and he's saying to the court, Butch set the VCR

(27:47):
out by the wooden bench on the outside. Butch left
about two am. I guess it was. I was spending
the night over there, and about twenty minutes after the
VCR had been brought from Breeze.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Police everywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Now, this completely conflicts with our timeline, any timeline presented
by any of the witnesses, not just ours, just.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
To be that.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
So the police arrive at twelve nineteen, this is fact.
We have the police records, the dispatch logs of the police.
And this was also meaning that the VCR was sold
right at the twelve o'clock hour and got to the
shothouse before the police came, which would have had Miss

(28:34):
Tucker dying before midnight. We know that's not true because
the police got there in two minutes, they got in
the nine one one call, and the police arriving at
twelve nineteen. She couldn't have died before the midnight hour.
So we know that none of this timeline. And I
think Lindsay and I I have a really good idea

(28:55):
of what the timeline maybe, which I think we'll get
into that later.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, but again that's in reference to this line where
he says about twenty minutes after the VCR had been
bought from Breeze, the police was everywhere. But here is
a super interesting piece speaking of the VCR. Think about
the VCR being turned into police and what we know
about that, what we've heard up to this point, because

(29:22):
this is also from Roadrunners original police statement that they
read while he's on the stand. That night, I got
with Butch and he was scared. Everybody knew that the
old lady had been killed. Butch told me something wasn't
right about her VCR. Butch had the VCR in the
back of his Cadillac. Butch told me Sunday that he

(29:44):
found out some way that the serial number on that
VCR matched the one that had been took from the
woman that got killed. He told me that he took
it to Percy to get him to bring it on
over to the police department. That's Sunday, Butch called and
said the police were going to talk to me and
he needed to get with me. Butch took me to

(30:05):
the station, and while he was riding he told me
not to tell how he got possession of the VCR.
That's why I didn't tell you anything when you first
talked to me.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
But this is not the story that Percy the neighbor.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It sure isn't.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
The neighbor said that he went over to his sister's
house to find out more about it and then his
sister was like that VCR. Come see in the back room.
Are you sure it's a VCR? And that's how it
got to the place, because she was like, get it out,
get it out, get it out.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
And he specifically testified to say, no one else ever
had possession of this VCR. And now someone's saying that
Butch had it in his trunk. And the other thing
that strikes me as strange here he told me not
to tell how he got possession of the VCR. At
this point, they know you have the VCR, they know
you had it. Why wouldn't you want to say someone

(31:03):
else sold it to me? Because that passes the buck,
that gets you off the hook, that gives you a
reason for having it. Why wouldn't you want to tell
that story? Or is that not the story?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
So here is a great question road Runner or Percy,
because I don't think either one is the whole truth.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I don't know because nothing makes sense. It's hard to
say it. What it makes me think of. If I'm
being one hundred percent honest in my non professional, strictly opinion,
I think they're all covering for something. I just don't
know what it is because nothing makes sense nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Ludy May's life gets taken, which is a horrible event.
The police show up. The VCR is dumped by the
killer in this back alley way that is not on
the main street, but it's near a main street because
some person in a car called to him and that's

(32:05):
why he stashed it. We know it's a he just
because of the stature, and we're pretty sure it's not
a girl because of what the victim said, short, stocky,
black male, so we know it's pretty much not a girl.
Rocky picks it up, sells it for crack, and then
that's it. Who knows about the missing VCR? The police

(32:28):
and her cousin. How does the information about the missing VCR.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Get back to the shothouse?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
They say it's because of Percy, because Percy knows and
was questioned about a VCR, So we can't confirm that
Percy knew about it the next day when talking to
the police about the VCR. What we don't have is
the police report with Roadrunner with the police how he

(32:57):
got the VCR in this state. He was with the
VCR in the Cadillac with Butch.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
To take it to Percy to give to the police. Correct,
which why wouldn't you just take it if you're going there?
Why wouldn't you just take it if it's in your
trunk unless you're trying to distance yourself from that VCR,
which again, why would you need to do that if
someone brought it to you? Why didn't he just take

(33:25):
it himself? He was going to the police station to
talk to him, if he had it in his trunk,
why didn't he just take it with him? Because he's
trying to distance himself. I can't help but think that's why.
And so he's like, oh, Percy, I need you to
take this for me. But why would you need to
do that if someone sold it to you? And you
could easily say, look, I don't know where this person

(33:47):
got this thing, but here's who gave it to me.
That's why I can't help but think that there's something
that they're all covering.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
To add to that, we know he's a confidential informant. Yeah,
why wouldn't he just go to a handler and say, look, yep,
I didn't have anything to do with Ludy May. I
didn't have anything to do with that situation, but someone
brought this to me. Here's the person who brought it
to me.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's now yours, and what we're talking about right here
is another reason why some people think that there were
still two VCRs. Now again, we said at the beginning
that some of the actual professionals in this case said
they did not think so. But these are the reasons
why some of that is still out there. Long story short.
With Roadrunner, they both sides basically tear them up. They're

(34:36):
pointing out every lie. So let's move on because we
still have a lot to cover.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Next up is Donald Hood. Now this is Rocky's brother
in law. He says he was with Rocky that night
at his mother's house just pretty much the whole day.
They had plans to go out to the club that night,
so it's going to be the two of them in
Hood's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Now this is his wife's brother. Just fyi, Debbie Rocky's wife.
This is Debbie's brother, Donald.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
They all wanted to leave before eleven o'clock, but didn't
end up leaving until eleven thirty. Rocky wasn't there, so
you know what they said that they were going to
leave them. Rocky had left to go change clothes. He
had borrowed a sweater from Donald and he was supposed
to meet them back at Hood's mother's house with his

(35:24):
mother in law's house, but he wasn't there and they
were all ready. So you know, back in your clubbing days,
if someone weren't there, you were just going to leave them.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Just to elaborate because this will be important. This house,
which is Donald Hood's mother's house, so Rocky's mother in
law's house is quite literally one block behind Rocky, so
it's on the corner, but one block behind him.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
So next up is Rita Hood, possibly related to Donald
and Debitye, but we're not one hundred percent positive on
that genealogy. These timelines are very important, so this is
where we're going to ask you to kind of turn
it up a little bit and pay attention. She was
actually with Breeze that night, her and Breeze and Skeet

(36:14):
now that's her brother, that's his nickname. They took the
car at the Chrysler over to the shothouse. This lines
up with what Roadrunner said. She said that they went
sometime between ten thirty and eleven. Now this is before
the murder. Of course, Roadrunner is now saying that it
was Rocky in a statement not breeze, so we know

(36:35):
that's not true. We know that it was Rita Cool, Breeze,
and skeeked. They were that those were the three in
the car. They stayed about ten minutes. Now this is
at the shothouse. This would have been long enough for
them to get a quick bye of crack and maybe
have a drink.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Remember, other people have seen them here. They remember Breeze
pulling up in this car and getting out. So it's
not like we're just saying, oh, Rita Hood said this,
so we know it's true other people. There are very
few things in this story that actually line up. This
is one of them.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Is this is one of them.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Now, after they leave, they went to Redi's apartment. Reda's
apartment was approximately five buildings down from Miss Tucker's same
side of the road, So if your back is to
Miss Tucker's house, it's going to be on your left
five houses down. These are not big country blocks. These

(37:33):
are your regular run in the mill city blocks.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So when they leave the shot House, they were only
there ten minutes. Remember they said they went there about
ten thirty eleven o'clock. When they arrive, Angela Acklin comes
running up and they specifically say running her dress was
torn and they're like, Angela, what in the world happened?
And she says that she had been in a fight

(37:58):
and whatever. But did they want to hang out? They're
like sure, So the four of them go upstairs to smoke.
So we've got Rita, Breeze, Skeet, and Angela Acklin. They
go upstairs, they smoke. After they finished smoking, Angela asked
cool Breeze if he had any more. She wanted more.
They're split in it four ways and he says, no,

(38:21):
I don't have any. Well, then Rita says, Breeze, you
gotta go. My boyfriend is gonna be home any second.
He's not gonna be happy to see you here. Skeet
got to stay, that's her brother, but Breeze has got
to go, so he goes. Angela goes with him. Angela
and Breeze leave together. Off they go. Breeze had asked

(38:45):
Skeet if he would take him home, but Skeet said,
I'm not going that way now. Note here, Breeze does
not live on this side of town. He lives on
the quote nice side of town. Because his family had
been in Decater for a long time. There were a
well known family, and he did not live on that
side of town, so he couldn't just up and go

(39:06):
two blocks like everybody else could. So he was looking
for a ride and Skeet's like, no, I'm not driving
all the way out there. So then around two or
three in the morning, Rita Hood goes outside. She notices
all the police cars at Miss Tucker's house again five
houses down. She had heard sirens a bit earlier, and
she's thinking, oh, well, this has got to be related,

(39:27):
and then they ask her this. They are talking about Angela.
They're trying to find out more about Angela who left
with Cool Breeze. So we'll go back to me being
the attorney's jen will be Rita. Who did she stay with?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I guess her husband, Rudolph Acklan.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Have you ever seen him?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Describe him for the jury.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
He is short, dark and stocky.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
He's kind of broad, isn't he stocky? She is the
one with the short and stocky and dark husband. Yes,
So you can see what they're implying here. Either she
and Breeze left Rita's heading in the direction of Miss
Tucker's house, or Breeze went home and she and her husband,
Rudolph Acklin, a short, dark stocky man, went to Miss

(40:15):
Tucker's house. That's the implication that they're making here.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
All right, guys, that was a huge bomb show. So
what we're going to do is we're going to take
a quick break and when we return, we're going to
talk about Rocky's time on the stand. Ali, guys, welcome back.
Now it's time to hear from Rocky himself. He is
going to take the stand, which of course defendants don't

(40:39):
normally do, but he chose to do this. Now, they
talked about his skin condition. He talks about how it
causes his skin to be dry and flaky, and he
can rub his arm and it would just kind of
peel off or crust off. It also caused him to
lose his hair. They asked him what he was doing
the day of the murder. Now, he says he was

(41:01):
with his brother in law and they had made plans
to go to a club, but Rocky didn't have any
money and he was hoping that Donald would pay his
way for him. He had money earlier that day, but
he does admit that he had spent that on drugs.
Donald said, who wouldn't pay for his way because he
didn't have the money either. But Rocky's mother in law

(41:23):
called his wife and said, hey, do you want me
to give Rocky some money. No, we're going to come
back to why she did this a little bit later,
but of course Rocky's wife said.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yes, and that'll be That'll be in the next episode.
But it was not uncommon for Rocky to need money
and Dubby, his wife, would be the one to give
it to him. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
She was the she controlled the budget.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, so whenever he needed it, she was going to
make sure that they had it for him to actually
to spend.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So Rocky put his kids in bed while his wife
was at work, and he left Lee Andrew, who was
about twelve at the time, in charge if needed. Donald's
girlfriend's kids were there too, and she had an older daughter.
So Rocky is at his in law's house, walks home
with the kids, puts them in bed, goes back to
Donald's house. Slash his mother in law's house, and he

(42:16):
asks him if he can borrow some clothes because he
didn't have many of his own. He wanted to change
clothes for the club, so he borrowed this brownish tan
sweater with leather on it from Donald. He took the
sweater back to his house. He said, I'm going to
go change. I'm going to get some of my clean
jeans and put with this. So he goes home, puts

(42:36):
on the sweater, puts on a black turtleneck underneath it,
and a better pair of jeans. Then he throws on
a black jacket over it, and he is ready to go.
By this point, he goes back to the in law's house.
Keep in mind, this is right behind his house. It's
one block away, so he can just hop over there.
But when he goes back, they had left, and Rocky's

(43:00):
a bit irritated because he's like, they didn't wait for me,
and he felt kind of like Donald's girlfriend had been
rushing him. So he's like, well, what do I do now?
They just ditched me. So he's like, I gotta go
back to my house. The kids are all there. I'll
just go back. But the alley runs straight to the
side of that, so to the left, if your back

(43:22):
is facing the in law's house, to the left is
the alley which runs right down to Rocky's house. So
Rocky takes the alley home, and this is the fateful moment.
This is when he finds the VCR. He's going back home.
They just left him. He's in this dark sweater that
he borrowed from his brother in law, and lo and

(43:44):
behold there's a VCR.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
He sees the VCR and he grabs it. This is
when he sees all the place acrossed the street, so
he kind of creeps back a little bit. Here's exactly
what Rocky says. That's when I ran into this VCR.
It was setting up under some bushes. It was pretty
visible coming from that side of the house. That's when

(44:07):
I ran into the thing. I looked at it, but
I was looking at going back around to the side
of the house to come to the front, because I
exit and enter my house through the back. I never
used the front to go all the way around Malton
to six. Now two very key points here. This is
the VCR in the bush. This is going to line

(44:29):
up with the people in the car that sees somebody
stash to the to their point stereo equipment because they
didn't know what it was under a bush because they
had just yelled at him, Hey, I bet you just
stole that thing. So that's gonna be back in chapter one,
even Rocky says he never took the main roads to

(44:50):
the shothouse. I take the alleyway. There's no need for
me to go on the main road on Malten. There's
no need for me to be out there because it's
s for me to go the back way.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Which is exactly what we said in the last episode.
So that wasn't like Jen said, That's not something that
the defense or the prosecution brought up. That's just something
Rocky said. So it wasn't like a big point that
they were trying to make. That's just something Rocky said,
and it just so happens to line up with what
we said in the last episode. He had no reason

(45:22):
to be on the corner. His house was right here,
and that corner where his house was, there was no
there was no reason for that. There was this alley.
Now we know that Donald and his girlfriend wanted to
leave around eleven, but they were mad because they didn't
leave until eleven thirty. That's what Donald said in his statement.
So they left without Rocky. So Rocky goes back over there,

(45:45):
not realizing that they had left without him, so the
time would be about right. They left at eleven thirty.
Rocky was not there, So he came back to that
house sometime after eleven thirty, so putting it closer to twelve.
So then he says that once he finds it, he
creeps back. He tossed it under the porch in the

(46:06):
back where there was a little crawl space so he
could go inside. So he's like, oh, of ecr oh, crap,
there's a bunch of police. He throws it under his
crawl space. And at this point he does say that
he specifically decided to go in the front door this time,
which he does not normally do, because he was being
nosy and he wanted to know what was going on.

(46:27):
There's police across the street, so he goes through the
front door and he stays on the porch for just
a few minutes outside. Well, you're probably not gonna do
this if you just murdered someone, You're not just gonna
sit on your front porch right across the street when
there's police swarming the place.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
He went inside, he checked on his kids and then
decided to go down to butchers to use the money
his mother in law gave him. Then later he was
still wanting more, so he gets to his house when
the police are there. That's the twelve nineteen mark, so
it could be he goes, he uses the money his

(47:05):
mom his mother in law, gave him.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Which was supposed to be for the club, so we
know he still had it. He did not go to
the club.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
This is not the VCR yet, right, this is cash
in hand. Then later he is still wanting more. That's
when he decided to trade the VCR. He says it's
about one or two o'clock. Now he can't exactly be
sure of the time, of course, and even he says
he can't be sure. However, it does line up with

(47:32):
what other people say, so say twelve thirty or one.
He goes and gets the crack with cash, he leaves,
he smokes that he wants more. So now he goes
back again with the VCR. This would line up with
a three to three thirty timeline.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
And it does not line up at all with the
timeline of the people in the car. Now potentially, potentially
they could have seen him there when he went to
use the cash, maybe around twelve thirty is you know.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
He's the cash transaction and them pulling up because remember
the liquor store closes at twelve.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
But also keep in mind Rocky's recollection of time is
not necessarily reliable. So if he says one or two o'clock,
it could have been twelve, it could have been one thirty.
You know, we talked about that in the last episode two.
But that would line up closer to what Butch said
about it being much much later, as opposed to that

(48:36):
twelve o'clock timeframe where he showed up with the VCR
coming straight from the street. Like everybody in the car said.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Now Rocky is back on the stand. He also flat
out admitst to selling the VCR. He says, yeah, I
did it. He never tries to deny the VCR at all.
So his defense brings this up. Lindsay, would you mind
being the defense lawyer?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I'll be the defense and Jen will be Rocky. Mister Burrell,
which is the prosecutor, says that you owned up to
touching that VCR after Officer Tilley told you they had
found some prince. That's true, isn't it. They told you
they found some prince, so you knew you needed to
tell them you touch the VCR, and that's when you

(49:21):
told the truth, isn't it, Rocky?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
That's right?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
They also offered you a chance to say you had
been in the house.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
They said they found prints in the house.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
But you still said you were never in there, that's right.
So if you were being so smart, as they would
like the jury to believe, could you have said, yeah,
I was in the house. I used her telephone to
call for pizza or something I could have but you admitted.
You admitted to them that you had touched that VCR
because you had pawned it, right, yes, and you knew

(49:52):
your prince might be on it, right yeah, And you
knew there was no way in the world they could
be in that house.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
You've never been in that house in your life.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
No.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So basically what they're saying is, if you had actually
touched the phone, you could have come up with a reason.
She was your neighbor. You could have said, yeah, I
did use her phone. If you knew they were going
to find your prints there, like they were going to
find on this VCR, you could have come up with it.
You could have come up with a reason why, and
you didn't.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Next up is Rudolph Acklin. Now remember this is the
husband of Angela. Now she was the one that made
the anonymous call to the police implicating cool breeze. He
testifies very quickly, long enough to say that he doesn't
know where Angela is. This would make more sense in
a moment, so just hold on here. The police dispatcher

(50:48):
Alice Evans is next. She basically just confirms all the
officers arrived on the scene and they did it very quickly.
So next is Angela Acklin, the woman who made the
police call. She said that she saw Corlprize that night. Well,
at least it's supposed to be Angela Acklin, except the

(51:09):
day before she was supposed to testify, she totally disappears,
doesn't show up, doesn't know where she is, and this
is why her husband testifies. She's also the same one
who hung up the first time she had called the police,
So very weird. When Rudolph Acklin testified, he did say
that she was a heavy drug and alcohol user, So

(51:31):
they're thinking maybe she was just scared. But everyone up
there at that point was They all were, and they
all made it through just fine.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
They're all fine. They were all at the shothouse, there
were people selling drugs and they showed up, So what's
up with that? There are theories out there nothing is proven.
We'll get to some of those later. However, she has
a very very important witness because she is the one
who called the police, so they do at least let

(52:01):
her original statement be read in court for the jury
to hear. Normally wouldn't do this, but we are going
to read the statement just since she is such a
crucial witness. Pay close attention if you can, because there's
something really weird about this that we will get to after.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Her statement reads as follows. On Friday night, October fourth,
nineteen ninety one, I was watching television with my husband,
Rudolph Acklin. We watched Tales from the Crypt on HBO
until eleven thirty. Rudolph went to bed and I went
and sat on the front porch. I went in and
out a couple of times. I was sitting on the

(52:40):
porch when I heard my dog start crying. I looked
up Seventh Avenue towards Malton Street. I saw a black
mail run across Seventh Avenue between the house next to
me and the church on the other side. He was
wearing a white shirt and black jeans. When he got
under the street light, I could see what looked like

(53:01):
blood on the front of his shirt. I recognized the
man as the guy I know as Breeze. Some people
call him Cool Breeze. Breeze ran across the street towards
the alley. I just sat there on my porch. After
a while, I started seeing a lot of police cars
on the street shining their lights. I got curious and

(53:21):
walked over to my friend's house across the alley on
sixth Avenue Southwest. I talked to my friend and her
husband for about forty five minutes to an hour. Then
I left their house. I could still see police around.
I got curious and went up north up the alley.
I crossed First Street southwest towards Moulton Street. About halfway

(53:43):
up the alley, I saw Brie standing there. He was
just standing there looking back east. When Brees saw who
I was, he walked towards me. We started talking. I
asked him about the blood on his shirt. Bries said
that he had hooked up with someone and they had
a misunderstanding about some dope. Brees said they had done
him wrong then would not take him home. Brie said

(54:06):
that he had closed a door on his finger and
it hurt. Brees said that he had been wiping the
blood from his hand on his shirt. Brees tried to
get me to get in my car to take him home,
but I wouldn't do it. I walked up Malton and seventh.
Brees started to follow me, and I told him if
he wanted a ride to go see my husband. I
left Breeze in the alley. I don't know which way

(54:26):
he went when I got to Malton and Seventh and
found out what had happened. I came back home on
Sunday night, October sixth, nineteen ninety one. I caught the
police anonymously, and they told and told them what I seen.
Sergeant Cocher came to my house Tuesday morning, October eighth,
nineteen ninety one, and I talked to him about what

(54:48):
I've seen. About twelve fifty pm, Sergeant Coker came back
and showed me some pictures of several black mails. I
identified one of them as Breeze, the man I had
seen in the alley that night. This statement was written
for me by Sergeant Croker, but the words thoughts are
my own.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Okay, there is a lot to unpack here, So remember
she called twice, hung up the first time, then called
back she is the one who brought Breeze into this situation.
She didn't claim to have seen him at the shothouse
with the VCR or anything like that, like we've heard
other people say. This was completely aside from that whole

(55:32):
shothouse scene. So she sees him after eleven thirty because
they were watching TV, she and her husband watching TV,
heading in the direction of Miss Tucker's house. He had
basically said he was involved in a bad drug deal,
probably meaning they didn't give him what he paid for
or something like that. We don't know if this was

(55:53):
eb Butcher's or not, but we do know that he
had asked Butch for credit earlier. So perhaps he tried
it with someone else and they had beat him up.
Wasn't gonna fly. Who knows, But if he were Miss
Tucker's killer, the killer came to the door saying that
he had been in a fight, so could that be relevant.
But let's go back for just a minute. I want

(56:14):
to speculate for just a second before we get to
the big bombshell about this. One thing that has always
sat really weird with me is that Miss Tucker's door
was left wide open, because it seems like that would
have called attention to the scene sooner than necessary. If
you just robbed someone whatever, you're trying to get away quick,

(56:34):
but you're going to try to not make it obvious.
For all, the killer knew both of the women were dead,
so leaving the door open on purpose would have given
him less getaway time because it would have highlighted that
there was an issue there. I kept thinking that he
probably had the VCR under his arm, so it was

(56:56):
kind of awkward and just didn't close the door properly.
But then Breeze says, according to Angela, that he slammed
his finger in a door and heard it and that's
why it was bleeding. And for some reason, when I
heard that, in my head it was just like this
light bulb. He's not convicted, he may not be guilty,
but in my mind it was just like a puzzle piece.

(57:17):
So assume for a second that it was Breeze. Just
pretend this actually all fits. Because Butch won't deal to
him on credit. He's desperate, maybe a little beat up.
He goes to Miss Tuckers, gets the VCR, slams his
finger in the door on the way out, so the
door bounces back open and that's why that door was open.

(57:41):
That's why his finger is cut. The police arrives super fast,
so he panics, throws the VCR under a bush in
the alley and takes off. Meanwhile, Rocky is walking home,
comes through the alley, sees the VCR and takes it.
That's just something about him saying that he slammed his

(58:01):
finger in a door. It just for some reason, I
was like, oh, that's what happened to his hand.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
But here's the weird thing about all of this. Angela's
statement says that she was with her husband watching TV.
Rita Hood's statement suggests otherwise. Remember, she said Angela came
running up with a torn dress.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
They smoked together.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
She and Breeze left together shortly before midnight. Now to
be specific, Rita said she expected her boyfriend home anytime
after ten thirty or eleven. She was surprised when he
wasn't already there when they all walked up. Also, she
was the one with the cordova. Others testified to seeing

(58:43):
him in this cordova, so we know he was with them,
and she said they were at the shothouse at eleven,
Hence why she was surprised. Her boyfriend wasn't home yet.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Is it likely that Angela just happened to see Coolbreeze
in this alley running past her house. No, she gives
this statement to police. She calls police and says, I'm
at home or I was at home watching TV with
my husband, and here's what happened. She wasn't. She wasn't
at home watching TV with her husband. And we can

(59:16):
assume that Rita Hood is telling the truth because again
she had the Cordova, and multiple people saw the Cordova.
They saw Breeze in the car with a bunch of
other people who stopped by just for a few minutes,
grabbed a drink, and then they went on their way.
That's them, that's these people. And then now she's saying,
Angela Acklin shows up at her house in a rip dress,

(59:38):
out of breath, and they smoked and then she left
with Breeze. Angela wasn't at her house watching Tales from
the Crypts, but she's she said they were watching that
until eleven thirty, which would mean it came on at eleven.
We know she's She's at Rita's house, So the whole
statement she gave police doesn't add up. She's with the

(01:00:00):
main suspect until Rocky came along. So let's speculate a
little bit more with what we've just learned. Again just speculation,
but this is actually one of the theories we referred
to earlier. It's the defense actually alludes to it in
their closing statements, but again it is not proven. Reason
Angela leave Rita Hood's apartment they want more drugs, which

(01:00:22):
Rita says Angela asked about, but neither have money. They
develop a plan. They're going to try to get some collateral.
They go to Miss Tucker's. We're five houses away. Rita
is five houses away. Perhaps maybe they even stopped at
some of the other houses along the way, saw somebody
was home, or somebody was awake or whatever. Because remember

(01:00:43):
there are a few sets of prints on the side
of Miss Tucker's house leading to the alley. So maybe
Angelo or Breeze is looking through that window on the
side of the house where the footprints are going, trying
to see what's inside or who's there. Are they awake
or are they asleep, and is being a lookout. Let's
say Breeze goes up, he's pretending to be injured. Angela's

(01:01:06):
over here, thinking it's just a robbery. It goes wrong.
He comes out with blood on him, and she's like,
holy crap, that's not what I was bargaining for. She
panics and she reports it, which would be why she
hung up the first time. But oh my god, I
still have to tell what happened. She calls back and
then doesn't show up in court because maybe, maybe, just

(01:01:28):
maybe it's because she knew more.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Maybe he really did slam his finger in Miss Tucker's store,
and that's why Angela said it's slammed in a door
to begin with. So, in other words, if Breese didn't
tell her, but she saw it, and that's that's how
she knows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
But what we can't figure out is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Why her dress is torn before she run up to
Rita's house. We have no backstory on what happened to
her prior to her coming up to the apartment or house.
Also where her house is. Her story doesn't make any sense.
She couldn't see the police from her house.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
So think back to what we said this town looks like.
We remember how I said, there's that lowercase t. Rocky
is in that top right corner. Miss Tucker's in the
bottom right corner. Angela Acklan's house is going to be
in our left quadrant, way down. You know how sixth

(01:02:27):
Street kind of cuts down the middle. How we said
it cuts right down the middle. Angela's is way down
on seventh, So one over bump one over from our
straight down through the middle of the tee. But she's
way down and she is saying, and again, we will
post maps in the discussion group, which we did for

(01:02:47):
the last one. But this will all make more sense
when you can see it. But her house was one
block to the left and two blocks down from Miss Tucker.
But she's saying that she goes out on her porch,
She's sitting out there, sees Coolbreeze run by and sees
the police at Miss Tucker's house where her house is.

(01:03:09):
She can't see Miss Tucker's house from her house, and
she's got Breeze down there with her cutting through her
yard way down there at the bottom of the map.
When we know that they left Rita Hood's house together. Also,
Breeze lives on the other side of town, which is

(01:03:31):
why he kept asking people for a ride home. So
how did he get home? Nobody has testified saying we
gave Breeze a ride home. He couldn't have walked. How
did he get home? Did he stay with someone or
is someone just not saying where.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Did he crash that night? Because now it's three four
five am?

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Last up, let's talk about John Boyd. This is one
of the Decatur Detectives chief investigator on the case. He
talks all about the fingerprints that they did. None of
them matched to anyone in this case. The VCR was printed,
they could only get one partial palm print. Now the

(01:04:11):
rest were unusable, but that palm print did not ever
match Rocky. So let's just stop for a second. We're
at miss Tucker's house. No hair on her except for
the one we discussed, which could possibly be hers. There
is no blood from anyone else than the victim, no prints,

(01:04:34):
no skin. The officers who questioned him remember seeing it
peel in flake. In the interview, he is sitting there
in the police station interviewing and he's leaving skin sales,
but yet none were at the scene. He says how
they took the pants and the shirt that had been
mentioned earlier, and a pocket knife in a jogging suit
and another pair of blue jeans and an oily rag

(01:04:56):
from Breeze's home. Now really important here. At this point,
no one knows for sure if that's what Breeze was
wearing that night. He never said anything about what he
was wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
They said we saw him wearing a white shirt, but
they never said was it this one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, they alluded to the coloring, but they never specifically
said it was this one. It was never positively identified.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Now, John Boyd, who is on the stand now, also
says that when Cool Breeze was arrested, he didn't see
any injuries on his body. However, we already talked about
that picture that was in evidence that did show an
injury on his knuckle. He also admits that Butch had
mentioned Rocky, but at that time he had these other
statements and he was just convinced that it was Ballentine,

(01:05:46):
so he did not make any notes about Butch mentioning
Rocky in the file. So he walks through Breeze's original
statement because he's the one who questioned him, and he
talks about how Breeze randomly set out of nowhere. You
can check my clothes, you won't find any blood on them,
which we brought that up as well. They hadn't mentioned

(01:06:08):
blood yet or anything, so they thought it was weird.
But maybe he knew because again, all the articles that
were out at that time said she had been stabbed,
so it's not a huge leap to say there would
have been blood. But Boyd actually tallied up the number
of times that Cool Breeze lied that they could actually
prove in the statement and came up with twenty one

(01:06:29):
total lies that he told in his statement that were
now provable.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Now, speaking of frand of statements, they talked about how
Rocky said he never touched miss Tucker's phone. So lindsay,
would you do the honor once more as an attorney?

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Sure, there have been a number of stories in the
Decatur Daily concerning what happened to Ludy Maytucker.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
I think that's correct, yes, And.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
One of these articles, or at least one of them,
indicated the circumstances under which her killer had obtained entrance
to her home.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
If you were asking me if I had an independent
recollection of that, I do not. If you have a paper,
I'd be glad to look over it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I'll be more specific. Do you recall seeing a newspaper
article to the effect that the person who had killed
Ludy May Tucker had come into her home under the
pretext of wanting to use a telephone. I do not recall, well,
mister Boyd may not have been able to recall whether
or not any of the newspaper articles mention the telephone,

(01:07:28):
because you know, he's trying to say, oh, Rocky seemed
really suspicious because he said I never touched her telephone. However,
Corpus Delicti did find articles that mentioned it. For example,
there's one right here from October sixth, that's just the
day after miss Tucker was killed, and it states, quote
as police reconstructed events, the women had retired for the night,

(01:07:51):
but may have been awake when someone knocked missus. Tucker
apparently opened the door when the man said he had
been injured in a fight and needed to use the telephone.
So that proves what we were talking about earlier, that
it was common knowledge that the phone would have been
involved in this case. So whether Rocky saw it in
the newspaper, on the news, whether people were talking about it,

(01:08:11):
that was not a secret.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Now that's all the witnesses that happened during this trial,
and they're going to go into closing statements. But before
we wrap up the trial, we're going to wrap up
this episode. And while you may think you know it's
coming next in the closing statements and jury deliberations based
on what you already know has happened, you guys are
in for one big surprise. All right, guys, we have

(01:08:37):
alluded to this before and now we have it. We
are setting up a mail template, so a letter template
are on our Facebook group and in our private group
as well as our public page that if you want it,
you can get it and start getting those letters written,
or you can create one yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Basically, we talked with his lawyer and investigator and they
gave us a specific set of what they need, which
is amazing, and at some point part of the process
will be they will be allowed to file for clemency,
which is where they will put together a clemency package,
present it to Governor Ivy and hope that she will

(01:09:22):
change his sentence from death to life without parole because
of that, because it's part of the process, they told
us what they need. What we will ask if you
write a letter is use a generic address to the governor.
Don't say Governor Ivy, just say governor, because we don't
know if she will still be in office at the time.

(01:09:43):
If you are from the state of Alabama, please make
that known because Governor Ivy, in particular, if it does
end up being Governor Ivy, puts particular emphasis on residents
of Alabama. We want letters from everywhere, We need letters
from everywhere, but we want to put the Alabama ons
onto so that she can see what her residents are saying.

(01:10:03):
If you cannot mail the letter for some reason, please
send it to our PO box. But if you cannot,
you can email it to us, but try to sign it.
You know how on your phone you can kind of
screenshot and then you can kind of market you can
use the little markup feature and kind of sign it.
At least try to get your signature on there so

(01:10:25):
that it looks like somebody didn't just type it up
for you. And you can email it to us, but
we would prefer to have like a handwritten where we
can see, you know, the signature and all that on there.
If you're going to email it, send it to Corpus
Delicti at yahoo dot com. It's co r p us
D E l I C t I. It's not delect

(01:10:47):
A lot of people do that. It's d E l I.
If you are going to mail it, it is PO
box eighty nine, Chelsea, Alabama, three five zero four three.
And just if it's emailed or whatever, put in the
subject line that we know that it's for Rocky. If
you want to use a template, come in the group.

(01:11:08):
We do have a template made that we will post there.
Feel free to use that if you don't know what
to say, but you know, if you're passionate about it,
put whatever facts in there that you think are relevant.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
And we can pin that to the top.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Yes, for sure, so it's easy to find.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
We'll definitely see it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Again, we are highly encouraging. If this story has moved
you like it has moved us, please send the letter.
But we're just not telling all of our listeners do
it no matter what. Coming up soon, we are going
to have a live feed for all of our listeners,
not just our Patreon. We're going to do something special
for them to kind of make up for this. But

(01:11:46):
instead of doing our Patreon live feed, we are going
to do a all an open call where we're going
to be answering your questions about this case and anything
else that you can think of if you want to
know more about these documents or Rocky himself. Lindsay and
I have corresponded with him, so I've got a few

(01:12:06):
letters that I have not read on the show because
I don't feel like it's the place or the medium
for that. But if you guys want to hop on
and talk to us, you're more than welcome to Yeah,
it's March thirty first at seven pm Central.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
And we'll post the link for it probably that day.
We usually do it that day, just so it doesn't
float out all over the place, so follow us on
social media because we will post it there. Speaking of
the Patreon though, and how we're not doing the call
this month, but we're doing other stuff. We do have

(01:12:44):
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