A Conjuring Thanksgiving: Interview with RPG, CIA’s Demonic Prisoner and Inducing Theta States

We’re giving you some spooky stories to chat about around the thanksgiving table! I interview Josh’s bro Ryan about his new documentary: “The Conjuring House Experiments.”

Then Matt gets into a tale of the CIA capturing a demon, and Josh explores the supernatural realms of theta states…. So settle in with something warm and boozy, and join us for an all new Cosmic Cantina!

https://www.thecosmiccantina.com
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/The-Conjuring-House-Experiments/0S4Z7QCMKFLNRL36BIPC2WQAI5
https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/17mmlkc/in_1996_a_journalist_claims_he_encountered_black/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/168e7vt/the_time_the_cia_caught_a_demon/

#UFO #UAP #conjuringhouse #paranormalpodcast #outkastparanormal #bigfoot #ufotwitter

Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantino, we'regiving you some spooky stories to talk about
around the Thanksgiving table. I interviewedJosh's bro Ryan about his new documentary,
The Conjuring House Experiments. Then Mattgets into a tale of the CIA capturing
a demon, and Josh explores thesupernatural realm of fat estates. So settle

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in with something warm and boozy andjoin us for an all new Cosmic Cantino.
I'm your host, Melissa Tiddel,and every week I go to my
favorite bar, Cosmic Cantina, andkickback with my co hosts, Josh Golumbuski
and Matt O'Connor. We talk aboutaliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,

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and anything from the unseen world thatneeds a little illumination. Welcome to
Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host,Melissa Tittle and tonight I'm drinking a hot
toddy because I'm back on the train. Everybody, it's off the wagon.
Cool. I got a I gota cup from my old office. It

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says eat a bag of dicks.So I'm ready for this. That's right,
like it come back strong, allright? Matt. Well, guys,
I just had a handful of mushrooms. So, no kidding, I'm
just having a beer, just aquiet It's you know, a week.
You got me excited for us,all right, Josh, Tonight I have

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COVID so so that means I'm drinkingtequila. I heard that tequila kills things.
Yeah, I love it. Youknow, I got a tequila bottle
with the worm in it, andI'm drinking it because I heard that's the
best stuff. So I don't know, it's just random tequila. I don't
even remember the name of it.But yes, cheers, cheers to us,

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Hey, cheers, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving to everybody. I uh.
We designed an episode specifically conversations withfamily, and that is, let's
talk about some scary stuff. We'vereally gone the alien route. We've got
lots of material that you can goto our old stuff, talk about alids,

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but we got to talk about someyou know, dark stuff because it's
about being thankful, thankful for darkstories that shout the light in all of
our humanity. That was my plug, MYSA. Did you like that?
Thankful? Yeah, thankful that noneof us is none of this is happening
to us. And we have aspecial guest Today, I did an interview

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with Josh's brother. He's got anew movie on Amazon Prime called The Conjuring
House Experiments, Ghosts, Gates andGraves. Yeah, the boys are back.
I haven't had a chance to checkit out. Yes, in a

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haze of COVID, and it wasawesome. It was super awesome. Yes.
Interesting. So so yeah, we'regonna get into some dark stuff so
you can talk about it with yourfamily and ponder the unknown. But first
listen to this interview on his experiments, several experiments that they did, which
I found very fascinating because there's actuallysome positive data in the most haunted house

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in America. So I'm here withJosh's brother and he just had a new
movie come out on Amazon Prime,The Conjuring House Experiments, Ghosts, Gates
and Graves. Ye, so what, like, tell me what happened in
this movie? Like what? Becausethis is an experiment specifically with the Conjuring

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House. So give me the tensecond lowdown of what you guys discovered and
what happened what happens in this moviewithout spoiling of course, Oh well whatever,
it's already out. You know.The nuts and bolts were basically Corey
Heusen, who is a friend withmy partner Stacy Brown Jr. Said Hey,
I'm selling the house and you're goingto be the last team coming through.
I know you guys are a bunchof crazy cowboys. Why don't you

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come down and do some stuff wenever done? And we were like,
yes, please wait at the atthe Conjuring House. Hell yeah. So
we rolled in last summer twenty twentytwo and we're there for a week and
all I can say is, ifit's about intention with some good old fashioned
monkey grease and discipline, then weshook the very pillars of that house.

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We brought in a mad scientist namedJay Prather who did he actually built a
multi stage experiment but based on usnot defunct but classified CIA experiment, which
was the Hemi synk not to Idon't know, you guys want to dork
out. Let's dirkout. But ohwait, so they used them sink to

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kind of open portal to communicate withwhatsever at the Conjuring House. You know,
if people don't know what the hemHemi sink is from the Monroe Institute,
which which you were talking about,this is a CIA institute. But
now people can go there. Theycan use Hemi sink to meditate, mostly
for positive experiences, but you wereusing it to open a gateway. Wow,
So what happened? Yeah, Soit was a combination of that,

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which is the peregrine part of hisexperiment, where he sinks both sides of
your brain, so as you know, then magical things can happen or just
scientific. But then simultaneously he hasthe catalyst experiment going at the same time,
which is sinking the land the environment, which in my research everything points
back to land. It's the land, it's the land. It's either something
ran around the house or the landthe house is on. I mean you're

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talking like giant Aquifa underground. Youknow, lots of rock to resonate.
It's a big tuning for But anyway, his second one sets the vibrational free
Basically, HEMI sinks the land,HEMI sinks you, and then when you're
both HEMI sync together, then bringyou together and worldgate and that is opposed
to you know, and open theworld gate behind us and all manner of

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things where it to happen. Right, Well, all I can tell you
we can talk openly about it,like these are like Salt of the Earth
guys, you know, like theygo hunting on the weekend, like we're
you know, you'd have to dosomething pretty mind going to get them to
believe in this. Well, thesedudes ended up let's remote viewing. Stacey
went back and was like, wereyou sitting on my side of the couch

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to his girlfriend. She's like,what, yeah, it was How did
you know that? And she's like, did you try to manifest through the
ceiling as this like amorphous black cloudcoming down? He's like, no,
but that's kind of the angle Iwas at remote viewing and this is done
now. Also he also puts hecovers your eyes so you have light stimulating
as well as auditory. So it'sit's it's very it's very complex. You

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could have mom. But he'd talkedfor like two days straight. Yeah,
he was like, we'd run outof zoom space. Oh yeah, we'd
run out. But anyway, itso some people remote viewed. One other
kid was running around like tucking atlike trying to shake everyone and actually shook
someone's cat and he was like,I was trying to get everyone's attention,
but I couldn't anyone's attention. Andif if you're really deep dive into what

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what is he really doing. He'senabling us living in a three D world
that see two dimensionally right to tempmomentarily see three dimensionally because people are also
talking about being everywhere. They couldsee everything kind of at the same time,
which is where DMT will get toyou. But it's it's just seeing
the world in three D, likeI could see your room, I could
see everything around you right now ifI can see that way. But anyway,

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wow, yeah, So you haveall these people at this house,
which is notorious for poltergeist activity,like extreme hauntings, really dark dark stuff
at the Conjuring House, and whatit sounds like is that you're opening a
gateway and being able to see more. So did you were you able to

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communicate with those spirits or were youable to go above them to some other
plane of existence? Because it soundslike sort of like a positive experience.
But at the same time, everybodyknows the Conjuring House is like the most
scariest thing in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it depends
on how you see it. Isit scary or is it fascinating and really
exciting and fun and otherwise mundane world. Uh. We did the experiments in

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order so that the goal is toboost the energy in the house, right,
And the longer you're there, thelonger you're focused, the longer you're
you're dialed in, the better chanceof happening. So each experiment led to
another, and then of course wehad to do a seance. And who
do we get to do the seance? But Carl, like the original demonologist
who was there that actually called theWarren family in to investigate for the parents.

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And what's cool about Carl is,you know, he's a demonologist.
He's really a professor, like heknows all about the lower and the history
of everything, especially magic. Buthis brother's a priest. So you get
these two brothers. So they werethe first two on the scene to be
there, and they were like,all right, we gotta we got to
call in, you know, thetop brass to come and investigate Mulder and
Scully. But but he did ahe did a seance, which and I

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don't understand seances as much, right, I was actually while we were doing
the seance, I was down lookinginto the dark water of the conjuring well,
which for people don't know the reasonthey put wells in these houses is
because back in the day people wereeven more evil than they are today,
and they would poison your well,kill all your animals and all you and
then just move their family into yourfarm because nobody was really checking, so

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you had to put your well inthe house. Anyway, I'm staring in
the well and I'm basically they're tryingto summon the spirits, right like,
come on into the room, andI'm there to greet them. So I've
got like a paranormal TV. I'messentially staring into well. He brought some
special wand that I guess is likedon't ever bring that wand near this house,
you know, and all these otherthings. To me, it just

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seemed like a bunch of people focusinglike any type of meditation, right,
but it got really really dark ifwe want to talk about it, because
and I think that has to dowith the mindset of the people. But
that's you know, here'safe an attic. No. We had one guy,
Stacy, actually ended up getting sickand had to go outside and puke.
Felt like someone was taking a knifeand just sticking it in his stomach and

(09:56):
just twisting it. And then ourother friend he began to lose come in
and out of consciousness and actually smashedhis head on the table a couple of
times, was reaching for the fireand he swears, He's like he is
diabetics. We're worried. You know, sugar was all messed up, so
he was loopy. But he's like, I'm absolutely not. I'm fine.
I pounded a snickers before this weregood. So it got really bizarre.

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And when I was, when Iwas looking for I was there was using
your energy and like working through youtoo. It was all around us.
You talk to anyone on that crew. It didn't matter if you were taking
a shower at ten am in themorning. The next day, all of
a sudden, you're like, thereis somebody right here with me. Footsteps
everywhere, balls of light, orbsPatrick's orbs, which I think is behind
all this flying in and out.When when the Worldgate was going on,

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I was sitting as an observer forour second one. We did two,
and this clear as day, thisball of light came right in and went
right to where the direction would havebeen where the Worldgate was supposed to open.
And I won't I won't remember that, but yeah, people around us
all the time. And there's thisone creepy story about the neck woman who

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hung herself in the barn after herafter her husband left her. I don't
know how anyone gets that crazy withlove, but you know, must be
nice, but she hung herself.And in the eighties, the basement of
the Conjuring House actually uses it asa daycare kind of like kids school,
but the kids would see her.So if you go into the Conjuring House
basement, which I didn't know aboutthis, all the deep diyes all the

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dark and out and I'm looking atit, and the kids drew what they
saw. So you have ooh flowers, puppies and the teacher and then there's
this one woman woman in a whiterobe, yeah, with a crooked neck.
So when I was actually staring intothe well, I felt it in
the floor. I couldn't hear itbecause I was listening to something that Jay
Craither had made for me to helpme, you know, getting that low

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data state and anyway, and Iheard it, and you actually see me
in the movie, like look around, because I kept thinking guys were coming
in the room to either mess withme or you know, check in on
me, or whatnot. But nope, nope, this woman was. She
was everywhere. They followed her intothe old birthing room. Like you think
it's bad, these these women hadto go. You're giving birth, the
hardest, most important thing any humancan do. Why don't you go to

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this tiny room in the attic withnails sticking out and try not to scream
and annoy me and no blood?You know, dude, if you see
the birthing room in the conjuring house, you're like, we've come a long
way, baby, we have comea long way. God. Yeah,
yeah. The voice let us there, the voice let us all over the
house. And after the Second WorldGate, the house was just alive.
That's the only way to describe it. Now. Was it live with negative

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entities or both positive? Negative?Is there anything positive there? Like how
they don't know? I don't know? So okay, So I love this
conversation because you're you're basically saying you'reopening up your vision, You're going into
another whether it's three D, fourtyfive D, like you're experiencing all these
different levels of reality at the sametime. And this is already a gate,

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right because things pass through and peopleinteract with it. In a very
extreme way, but now you're beingable to see it more so in this
instance, were you able to fitfigure out how it got so dark?
Like I know people have died andthings have happened there, but yeah,
but there's like it won't leave,like it's still there. It's just what

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what what did you discover? Well, we start of mind blowing it because
you get to see more, andthat's what humans are missing, the ability.
Yeah. Yeah, and so byby allowing that three D site or
astral projection, whatever you want tocall it. Uh, certain people had
really nice visions. They did likebig fluffy dogs, you know, and
then they did the second time andthere was something you know, and you

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just know there's something wrong about someoneand you're like, I don't your gut,
you know, your shackles go up. Then they had that as well.
But I think it's because we gointo these environments. Right Listen,
if nobody ever told you about theConjuring House and I took you there on
a date, we go there ona date, you would go, this
is one of the most magical,beautiful places. And I know you're like,

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oh god, this, I've seenthis horror movie. No, when
we were there. I take scareaside. It looked like it looked like
a place where fairies and elves live, the way the pallen and everything kind
of hung in the air, theway the light came through. There's something
magical about being at the top ofthis little hill in you know, holebunkin
Rhode Island, harrisfilrhod Island. It'sit's magical. So if you didn't know

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it was haunted, I don't thinkI don't think you would have felt it
that way. I think we bringthe storytelling with us. And that is
one of the major problems with allresearch is you got to go and blank
because if you don't like, okay, I'm the first guy and as long
as I know forever that went intothe Conjuring well. And we actually did
an SD's method in the well andgot crazy and uh oh dude, oh

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man. And but the thing wasis the cameraman who was the assistant director
on the Conjuring film said to me, He's like, you want to know
what I saw on that well.Ryan, I'm like, no, no,
don't tell me, because I'm gonnasee a crazy witch head jumping out
of the way and it's just gonnafreak me out, and I'm not gonna
be able to get into that state, right, So I can commute talking
about, you know, crap mypants, and we do it. I
come out afterwards, but I cold, let me tell you so cold good

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thing I was training. Whim hoff. I get out and he goes the
largest snake I've seen in Rhode IslandI saw come out of that. Well.
I was like, you should havetold me that, because then I
probably wouldn't have done it, youknow. But but yeah, we bring
our stories with us, So ifyou have that, how are you ever
going to be able to communicate withSay, there is a demon, an

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angel and alien. I don't carewhat you want it to be. It's
waiting there, it's waiting. It'slike, okay, he's getting close.
He's getting close right right, Andthis is this is true. So the
field is always interacting with us,and it's either we're interacting with negative components
of it or positive components of it. And that's I guess that's what you
guys discovered at the conjuring house.That is so cool, all right,

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I have to finish it. Ihate scary movies, I know, I'm
on Cosmic CANTEENA. This is mostlyMatt and Josh's job, not necessarily so
love and light, love and lightlove. I was at the Ohio Reformer
because I did a did a speakingengagement there, and then they had celebrity
ghost tours, and you know,apparently I'm a celebrity, had me lead

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a ghost tour with a bunch ofother people. But you know celebrity,
you know people on TV shows intothe the confinement area, right, like
the solitary confinement area. Yeah,I was like, I cannot wait till
this is over. I just waslike, I put all these blocks up
around and some really scary stuff happened. And I said to one of the

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people that paid for this tour,I'm like, I hunt aliens, not
ghosts. Okay, so this isnot my jam. I'm like out underneath
the stars waiting for aliens to land, not waiting for ghosts to poke me.
Well, but you know what's funny. We ran into aliens there.
We ran into aliens. It wasaliens, bigfoot ghosts. We just thought
it was ghost It's not. Onceyou see it as the land as the

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whole area. No, it's anotherskinwalker ranch that's the that's the big drop.
If you want to if the rightteams, if you and your celebrity
friends got in there and were ableto really investigate it with real money,
you would take what we kind ofcracked open and and yeah, yeah,
it's probably in a giant pyramid orsomething like who knows. But the place,
the place is active, if anyonewants to know, is that place

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active? Yes, and we mighthave made it a little more active.
Oh you like open you really openthe gate. They're off line out now
just like that. And Ghostbusters likethey open the gate and they all come
out. You're welcome for work,you know, all right? Amazon Prime
the Conjuring House experiments ghost gates andgraves and grades. I had no idea

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that that that you could use.I mean, obviously I've experimented with HEMI
SYNC meditations with the Monroe Institute fora long time in my meditations, and
I was fascinating that they were usingthat to open more of a portal to
go deeper into whatever was happening atthe Conjuring House and connecting their minds to

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another dimension of reality. That isfascinating. And you know, Josh and
Matt I just thought it was interestingthat your brother said that there was actually
some positive things that they picked upin the house too. It's like the
Conjuring, the movie The Conjuring.The documentary has done about the conjuring.

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How like this place is dark,but it really is a very interesting experiment.
I don't know. I just Ithought this was some cool stuff where
you can communicate with something dark orsomething light in a portal like this has
Yeah, no, for sure,because guess what, it's a dun dun
dun, a hot spot. It'snot just paranormal activity. We also got

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some UFO stuff going on. Accordingto the documentary, we got positive messages.
Who knows it might be a miraculoushealing going on there because these hotspots
have it all. It depends howyou approach it. But you know,
the boys of Outcast Paranormal are goingin hot and hard. I love something
that Stacy Brown Junior said. Hesaid, he goes not only they try
to open a portal, but they'retrying to step into it like that's the

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balls you need. I love thatprogress in this space. These guys have
it, you know, they gotthat type of energy. And I do,
Yeah, I do find it fascinatingwhat they use. Actually, I
know Ma's going to connect some CIAparanormal stories to this. But one thing
I thought was fascinating too was thebrain waves and using the Hemi sync experiment
and what that meant. My researchtonight went deep into theta and these other

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people have used this space and whatthat theta brainwave really means and how it's
probably the key to connecting to theother side. But the documentary was awesome.
I just love that it's a hotspot. It's only about forty miles from
or forty minutes from my hometown.It's just left of the Bridgewater Triangle.
It's just such a unique spot inRhode Island, kind of near the mountains,
and it's just a beautiful film oftwo hours of being in this hardcore

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paranormal world with these hardcore dudes justreally going for it. Yeah. I
love that. I love the energyabout it. I mean, I love
obviously your bros Energy interview. He'she's awesome. We need a party with
that guy. But the whole,like you said, that whole thing of
like we're not we're not gonna justlike you know, sit there and try
and record stuff and maybe something willhappen. I'm gonna go put my dick

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in this thing and see what.See if we can stir some ship up.
You know, you know, Idon't know it because women don't want
to put their tits into things.I just think that women have other things
to put their tits into. Likethis doesn't sound like something like yeah,
you know, maybe like a differentlocation, maybe not the conjuring house fair,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahyeah. There's different ways of approaching
it. Out outcast paranormal have avery particular, very I guess would you

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call it masculine way of going aboutit falls deep right cast paranormal, we
go bulls. There you go,boys, you can use that, have
fun free. It's great, allright, Matto. This tonight Josh is

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bringing up the rear was COVID outtakesRight now. We got Matt up in
hot ready to give us some darkness, some darkness. Well, look,
I've been trolling the internets for awhile and sort of piecing together a bunch
of different stories. You know,I like that dark stuff. I like

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things that go take a bit ofa dark turn down, some stairs that
freak you out, jump scares allaround, and these couple of ones I
found a while ago. I've beenwanting to tell forever, and I just
felt like this was the perfect theme. I guess of the podcast that this
would sort of fit nicely into Sothe first little tale I have. And

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I should preface this by saying thatboth of these stories I haven't from Reddit.
It's from random Reddit users, soI have no way of backing up
any of the stories. But holyshit, I was on board for each
one of these, and I thinkyou'll, I'll think you'll, I'll think
you'll take him. So the firstone this was posted. Both of these

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were posted I think in high strangenessthe Reddit subreddit, and this one is
entitled the Time the CIA Caught aDemon and I was fascinated with this and
I really wanted to reach out tothis person. I think I might eventually
and see if there was any moreinformation we can get for this, or

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even just you know, see ifit's real or not. But I kind
of want to believe it is realanyway. So this person, his name
is the user by the name ofMarkia's Revenge, and here's his story.
So he is an uncle. Hecalls him Uncle Bee just for just for
you know, Reddit's sake, andhe says, Uncle Bee began college in

(22:56):
the early sixties with a major intheology, and he became a part stuff.
So he got married and to thelove of his life, and tragically,
during the third year of their marriage, so well before sorry, before
the tragedy, they found out theywere going to be pregnant. They're going

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to be sorry, they were goingto be parents. The wife became pregnant,
but then tragically, a week afterthey found out they were going to
be parents, she was killed ina freak trunk driving accident. Not her,
but the trunk driver ran into theircar and killed her. Uncle Be
dropped out of college, and hesaid, at the time, I don't

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think I completely lost my faith,but I didn't want to talk to God
anymore. So classic, I mean, this is just like a classic screenwriting
time for the demon to come in. So anyway, after a while,
he transferred to a different college andmajored in political science and then from there
this was like early sixties, sothe Vietnam War started to kick off.

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He joined the army and got intoArmy Intel, went to Vietnam, did
his stint in Vietnam. Vietnam dida bunch of crazy shit. When he
came home, he was recruited bythe CIA. After a few years in
the CIA, he got assigned tocounterintelligence in New York City and what they

(24:32):
wanted him to do was kind ofgo sort of be an undercover guy within
the Russian Orthodox Church in New YorkCity to kind of see if he could
gather some intel about the KGB.So his cover story that he was an
ordained Orthodox priest, which he was, but not Russian, and he basically
joined in and with the Russian OrthodoxChurch and basically started gathering intel on what

(25:00):
he could if any KGB stuff comeup. Anyway, that aside. After
years undercover on this assignment, hewas making some progress. But one day
this young man he said maybe lateteens, came into his office. He
said, he was clearly distressed,erratic, and angry. He knew who

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he was directly. So this kidcomes in to the church and basically knew
Uncle Bee by name, and sobeing part of the CIA, he starts
to get worried, Oh shit,is my cover born? What's going on?
So apparently so it was this youngyoung kid and his mother and they'd

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be going to different priests and talkingabout her son, hearing voices and acting
strangely. Uncle Be thought he neededto get him to a hospital because this
kid was like obviously disturbed. Butthen the kid lunged at him and started
talking Aramaic and called him by hisreal name. So he was using a

(26:07):
fake name undercover, but he usedhis real name and also his deceased wife's
name. Oh my god, whenhe came running. And on top of
that, he was also calling outthe name that they were going to give
to their unborn son who was neverborn because the wife was killed. So

(26:29):
they had these names picked out,and that was the one rose. Yeah,
this happened in the church. Ithought, like the church supposed to
be a safe spot, like allthe crosses and well yeah, so yeah,
his mother brought this kid in andyou know, this kid is obviously
acting strangely and stuff. So obviouslythis freaked out Uncle Bee because he was
like, you know, very youknow, undercover, no one knew who

(26:53):
was there except for his handlers,and somehow this kid came in and knew
all as the information. So hecalled his handles immediately and they came in.
They swooped in and basically he hadto like cut off his undercover work
because they were like, okay,you've been compromised, compromised, your undercover

(27:15):
works done here, we're out.But they grabbed the kid as well and
took him to a safe house.They thought that he was schizophrenic. But
the CIA wanted to know who wasfeeding this kid information about his uncle.
Oh my god. So with theCIA, his uncle started interrogating this kid,

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switching through and the kid was likeswitching through a bunch of different languages
Russian, Greek, Latin, Aramaic, also English, and it was it
was goody like through seminary and thetheology, theology, theology. Yeah,
the school that they went to,he had loaned a bunch of all these
enough of these language languages to beable to converse with the kid. So

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uncle be jumping back to his pastearly days, had thought immediately, oh
my god, this kid is demonicallypossessed and so, but at the same
time he was saying like he didn'twant to believe that was actually possible.
He'd never experienced anything like it before. But he still had no idea how

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this kid knew all these things thathe did. He was trying to ask
the kid for his name, andwhen his voice started to sound like a
dog growling at him, they hadto restrain him, and even then the
straps looked like they could snap.He said, like this kid was just
like a naturally strong as well.I asked what name did he give and

(28:42):
he started to tell me, butthen he said the name had become classified
in a way that he could thathe said, could affect me since it
was unusual. So he explain thathe was the kid who was possessed.

(29:03):
I guess Uncle Bee had asked himwho was inside you? Basically, what
demon is this? And whatever thename was, this uncle didn't want to
tell him because it would affect himin some ways. The kid, the
kid didn't want to tell him orthe uncle didn't want to tell him.
Oh I'm sorry, Yeah, thatwas confusing. So the fella who's wrote

(29:23):
this thing on Reddit, his uncleuncle be Uncle B didn't want to tell
this fella what the kid told himhis name was right, because he doesn't
want to beat it because it's alive, right yeah, I mean yeah,
yeah, so he didn't want togive it any more any more power,

(29:44):
I guess anyway. Okay, Sofrom there, it says the he said
it started talking about their projects anda bunch of classified stuff that he could
possibly have known, and the CIAstarted to freak the fuck out, like,
holy shit, what is going on. How does this kid from you

(30:07):
know, some small part of NewYork City walk into a you know,
a church with his mother and knowall this classified CIA stuff. So they
basically, you know, packed upthis kid and took him to Langley.
Oh my god. Yeah, sothey basically do they get the demon out

(30:30):
of him? Like what happened?But now the now Uncle b knows the
demon's name, so you can casthim out, That's what. So it
sounds like that's what Uncle Bee wastrying to push, like, we need
to get this kid some actual help. We are like an exorcism would be
part of that, but also sortof mental health treatment as well. But
the CIA was too freaked out.They were too like, no, we're

(30:52):
not until we work out how thiskid knows all this stuff. He's like,
yeah, but it's it's another dimension, yeah yeah, yeah. And
it leads into some interesting stuff aswell. So his superiors Uncle Bee superiors
decided the kid was deranged, butthey had to ascertain how he came to
know what he did. They decidedto transport him to Langley to be treated

(31:15):
and interrogated. Uncle Bee was givena cover story he delivered to the priest
and that the kid had a psychoticbreakdown. So obviously when the kid came
into the church, there was abunch of priests around there Uncle Bee's employers
at the time who were asking,like, oh, what happened to that
fucking crazy kid that came in,And he basically said, they sent him

(31:37):
to a mental hospital and he's gettingtreatment, But that was the cover story.
Really, they wanted to CIA wantedto keep interrogating the kid, and
they wanted to have Uncle Bee comein as the priest basically to come in
and sort of converse with the kidand find out how he knew all the
stuff. So apparently this turned intoa spectacle. Said people would at the

(32:00):
CIA at Langley would come into theroom and see for themselves the demon they
had caught, and the kid wouldstart spouting off secrets about them, like
everyone who came in. The kidlike started knowing all this crazy shit about
it. Wow, that's a frighteningperson to be around. Totally, So
like, why didn't they listen tothe actual priest, like he really was

(32:22):
a priest, so like, well, so I guess it's I mean,
at this stage, for the mostpart, I would imagine the CIA and
probably now to this day, ispretty nuts and bolts. You know,
they don't they've obviously we know they'vedone you know, some crazy experimental stuff
with remote viewing and all that sortof stuff, and that actually actually will

(32:45):
lead into that. This this storyapparently will lead into that, which is
kind of why I really sort of, you know, clung onto this story,
which is like, oh that's interesting, so so what are the heads
of the CIA. Eventually came downto see the kid. The kids started
talking to this guy. He callshim Angleton. I don't know if that's

(33:07):
a famous CIA person, And thisAngleton fella told everyone to leave the room.
Several minutes later, he came outlooking like a ghost. He thanked
Uncle Bee for his work, forhis hard work, but said the kid
would never leave the CIA, sohe knew too much. They basically just

(33:28):
yeah, kidnapped him, according tothis uncle. So Angleton said, whatever
bastards leaked this information out to screwup this sick kid, he'd pursue to
the gates of hell and personally putthem down like he was still convinced that
some bad actor opposition spy had fedthis kid a bunch of information and was

(33:55):
just basically trying to fuck with theCIA just by putting it all inside this
kit. It's you know, mentallydiraged head. They never cleared this kid,
they never they never got don't thinkso. I don't think they did.
I think they were just, youknow, just kept trying to get
the info from him until you know, something I imagine pretty bad happened,

(34:16):
so be said. After that hewas reassigned to his to a desk job.
He desperately was trying all that timeto get the kid some actual treatment
in a mental hospital and also wastrying to get an exorcism for the kid.
But basically he was like cut outof the need to know access to

(34:37):
what was happening, and he kindof never found out what really happened to
the kid. Yeah, but thethe Reddit fellow leaves off with this.
Years after he told me this thestory the CIA declassified its Gateway project,
remember that from the CIA, theGateway Project? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(35:00):
And this guy had asked his unclebe about it. He said,
it was a cover an old colleague. Colleague told him the information they got
actually came from the sauce, andthat's what they called this kid, the
sauce. Uncle Bee speculated that atsome point the sauce quit talking and that's

(35:21):
when they folded the whole psychic Gatewayproject. I asked him what he thinks
happened to the guy to the kid. He said he didn't know, but
most likely they loaded him up withanti psychiatics and put him in some institution
later when he was no longer needed. So, you know, a bit
of a sad end to that kid, who probably needed some desperate help of

(35:43):
some kind. But so they wereasking this kid all this information about a
program they already had, and thenonce the kids stopped talking about the program,
they just well, I think,or was he actually acting them on
what the program should be? Ithink? Yeah, So I think,

(36:04):
what what you know? And I'mpiecing together this from just the basic story
that I told and you know,other stuff that we've read about. But
it seems like the CIA had eventuallycome around to the fact that in some
other way of you know, communicatingwith some other realm or some other consciousness,

(36:30):
this kid was able to know abunch of secrets, and obviously the
implications of that are holy shit.What if we could tap into some sort
of demonic source and find out abunch of information on other you know,
worldly players. You know, I'mjust thinking of you know how intelligence probably
would probably think about curing it froma demonic source. So then the purpose

(36:57):
of a demonic source is to confuseyou, to make you fearful, to
separate, right, we hear Wetalk about this along on this podcast,
Like the one thing that can createhumans to lose power over anything is to
separate them and create fear and angerand all that kind of stuff. So
like here you have this demonic forcelike giving you some information. Right.

(37:19):
We talk about this all the time. Where people get in contact with the
aliens or their channeling some kind ofbeing and they give them all this information
and then they become a guru andthen all of a sudden they get the
wrong information. He could have beenleading them down a wrong path. Think
about that? Well, yeah,that story rock for my own life.
Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping forthat. You want to go down a
doc bath at some point? Yeah, I mean yeah, like all the

(37:42):
other stories we've talked about with youknow, talking to other worldly spirits,
whether they be you know, knowinglydemonic or whatever they say they are ghosts
or whatever. It does seem likethe entity will sort of speak enough truth
for you to believe it. Ohmy god, they know all the stuff
about me? How do they knowthat? Yeah, and then we'll sort

(38:04):
of stop peppering in some bullshit tokind of throw you off and just to
I don't know, just to fuckwith you. I'm sure there's a greater
purpose in that that they're kind ofgetting at, or just to feed themselves,
you know, get that attention,right, But who knows what was
going on here? But yeah,interesting story. I like that one.
Yeah, Yeah, that was cool. I never heard that before, and

(38:25):
that's really interesting. I don't havemuch to follow up on it other than
that the most frightening thing in theworld would be around somebody who can just
like instantly say anything about you likeand of course like they would say the
dark shit right, and I wouldjust I just would never want to be
around someone pointing out all the shipI did wrong in my life, you
know that? Just yeah, thatperson is dangerous. Lock that person up
right, you know, it's allright. Remember that time you did that

(38:52):
ship with the WHOA stop him toomuch? Shut him up? Yeah,
it's like yeah. So anyway,that was one one little story I had
picked up. The other one ispretty brief, but I found it super
intriguing because it kind of combines twoof my favorite things, the deep dark

(39:14):
scariness of the forest, the woods, and sort of I guess men in
black possibly black eyed children what crazyshit like that. It sort of combines
a bunch of different stuff. Anyway, It's a story about somebody who couldn't
sleep because something kept knocking on theirdoor and he's like, god, dad,

(39:36):
who is it? This time?It's the children, right wanting to
get let inside. So this wasbasically on a on a post about black
eyed kids, and there was afew different people talking about stories of kids
who come knocking on their door andyou know, the same basic thing.
We've heard a bunch of times.They were fun, but not as like

(39:59):
in true as I thought this was. So this is from a user called
big Dog Farts. So this,yeah, so take this story as you
will, but you know, thisguy was like super serious about it and
people asking him and he had abunch of different information afterwards as well answering
questions for people. Anyway, Sothis kid, well, I guess it's

(40:24):
a fella now. But he wastwenty one at the time. He said
he went for a run. Hewas at college, went for a run
one day at a park near wherehis apartment was. It was about five
thirty six in the fall in theafternoon, like late evening, sorry,
early evening, and the sun wasstarting to set, but there was still

(40:45):
enough daylight to go for a quickrun. He said he ran deep into
the park and reached the end ofthe running trail, which is at the
back of the park that sort ofbacked into some woods. So he said
he ran beyond the tree barrier andto the woods. It was like these
tracks that go through the woods.So he notes a little important detail here.

(41:07):
He was completely sober at the time. Noah got alcohol or drugs in
his system. He was focusing oncollege at that point, and he took
his sobriety and his grades very seriouslyduring this point. So whether that was
like he was trying to explain toomuch there, I am definitely at this
point. At this point he wassober as a judge, But now he's

(41:30):
really fucked up. So anyway,so he ran deep into the woods up
a big hill and he gets tothe top of this rocky air. This
is kind of funny. So hegets to the top of this little area
where he ran up the hill andit was like doing the rock sometimes.

(41:52):
So he's feeling good, like yougot to the side of like he sprinted
all the way up. He said. He's feeling pretty exhausted. And then
he starts to walk back down thehill. He said, he's got headphones
on. He turns the music downin his headphones during the cool down session
when he's starting to walk back andhe all of a sudden when he turns
it down and hears leaves and twigscrackling behind him, footsteps coming through the

(42:15):
forest, not on the path,but actually through the dense part of the
woods. He said. At thispoint, there's no one else in the
park. He said, when hestarted running through the park, he saw
one other girl running, but shewas coming out as he was going in.
So basically it was empty. Andlike I said, at this point
is like six thirty seven o'clock atnight. The sun's still coming down,

(42:40):
and he's in the forest. Basicallyby himself. So he's well past the
boundary at this point where the parkends. There shouldn't really have been anyone
else where I was. So atthis point he sees the guy coming through
the woods just behind him, andhe's like it kind of freaked him out,

(43:00):
like, holy shit, who thehell is like standing in the middle
of the forest, not on therunning track, but in the forest.
So he says his appearance was immediatelyunsettling for where we were. He was
dressed in an expensive dark suit andshiny loafers, hair combed. The guy
looked like he was a business majorwho belonged to the yacht club. His

(43:21):
eyes were completely black, classic,but there was white around the pupils.
So he's saying just basically, thecolor and the iris of his eyes was
like dark black, but he hadwhite around. It wasn't like classic black
eyed kids. He said. Thecenter of his eyes were like black holes,
absolutely mesmerizing in the worst way.He looked Peruvian or Brazilian in ethnicity,

(43:46):
which we've heard a bunch of menand black stuff. That skin complexion,
he said, his skin was perfect. He looked like he wasn't real
though the skin. I thought,what the fuck is this business major doing
out here? Dress like that,like in the middle of the forest,
dressed in a suit. He saidit rained a couple of hours before I

(44:07):
left to go for a run.The ground was super muddy and it's fall,
so there were leaves and twigs everywhere. It was messy out there,
and this guy's suit and shoes werespotless. The place where he came from
was deeper in the woods than Iwas. There was nothing behind him but
miles of forest. I led outa startled ah when I saw him,

(44:27):
and he was staring right at meas if he'd been watching. He was
smiling, Hey, how are you? He talked with a tone that people
use when they're trying to seem nonthreatening. This guy says, I thought
it was the only one out here, and the guy says back to him,
Oh, you're not, and thenthere was this awkward silence. As

(44:51):
soon as I heard his voice,I knew something bad was about to happen
if I stayed. So he gotthat really bad like dread feeling. I
already made my decision to leave andstarted walking out the way I came,
making sure not to turn my backto this fucking weirdow. But this guy
doesn't want me to leave the woods. He can tell I'm starting to leave,
and he walks closer to me andstarts trying to ask me questions,

(45:13):
trying to keep me there. Asthe sun is going down. I say,
I'm going to get sorry, Igotta get going. Nice to meet
you. The look on his facechanges. He stops smiling. Very fucking
weird. What he says next.He says, Hey, before you go,
I know the spot a little deeperin where this guy killed himself a

(45:35):
few years ago. Do you wantme to show you? At this point,
every fucking he says, at thispoint, every survival going off in
my brain, like every like fuckingescape escape running was going off on his
brain. I said no thanks andturned and ran faster than I've ever read

(45:55):
my ran in my life. Iwas running so fast I know, well
ever reached that speed again. Itwas the most affright I've ever been.
Oh wow, wow, dude,that story actually die in the woods.
I guess so, I don't know. I think someone asked him if you
had ever looked it up, andhe said nod, And I just I
didn't want to think about it everagain, because it just gave me a

(46:16):
bad feeling every time. Dude,that story totally sparks something I had not
thought about ever until this moment,since I was a kid. Behind my
house is this place called Great Rock, these rolling hills of forests, and
you can get to the top andoverlook the little Compton and there's a dam
back there that supports a neighboring town. I remember I was walking home once

(46:37):
and I saw a guy walk outof the forest exactly dressed like men in
black, in a black suit,black top hat, and a briefcase.
And I remember being like, reallyscared of it. I didn't and I
remember running home. And I alsoremember this happening around the same time all
the other weird shit I told youabout happened, where like people broke into
my house and messed with us,and some other paranormal events, and I,

(47:00):
I don't know, I'm not gonnaI just speculated. I don't know
if it's all connected. It couldhave been just a dude in a business
too. But he was walking outof a part of the forest like there's
nothing there. Like my first thoughtwas maybe he was working on the dam
or checking the dam, but itwasn't like that. He was nowhere near
the dam. He walked out ofthe forest. Anyways, that was weird.
That really just sparked something I literallyhaven't thought about for probably thirty years,

(47:21):
and suddenly it's in my head.I'm like, why is that?
I remember it? It's like oneof those moments in life where it's like
a vivid memory. You're like,what's that about? And now what I'm
gonna do is go back and seeif I can place it around the time
where the other weird stuff was happening, and like, did I have missing
time that day? I don't know. I don't want to spec that too
crazy, but like, why wouldI think of that? That story was?
It was like you were supposed totell me that story to like wake
that memory up. Wow. Interesting, Okay, all right, let's see

(47:42):
where this goes. Yeah, yeah, we're all here. We survived.
He did not go further into thewoods. Made it Yeah with the men
in black. Well, man,if you're all done, I don't know
if you're going to transition us,Melissa, but I can end this Thanksgiving
feast with a nice dessert going.Is it pumpkin pie or apple Chris?

(48:05):
Oh ship, It's always apple Chrispumpkin pies for those who likes that it's
weird it's orange pie. No,you don't, No one really does you
just think you do? No.I like a little bit of both,
you know, like I'm like asmall piece of each girl. All right,
fair enough, I'm a hardcore applepie cold. People like it warm.
I'm hardcore cold apple pie. Don'task me why. Anyways. These

(48:28):
are dating choices, like a littlebit of what do you like? What
do you like? Matt? Ohboy man, I don't really have too
many uh, too many things Idon't like, you know, and just
one of those people who just willeat anything that's in front of me at
your sexual appletite, you know,like Josh like a little bit of everything,

(48:55):
and you know that will just stickhis dick in any pie, just
like that. Sure yeah, sure, just not warm, all right,
Josh, take us home with yourCOVID cough. Well, I know,
I hope my voice maintains during thisawesome research. I did so when after

(49:15):
watching the movie and I'm also readinga book which I'll get to in a
second. It really like got meinto contact modality. Is like what's at
the base of this documentary is likeusing altered states in some sense to make
contact and changing the environment. AndI was like, God, you just
hear that over and over and overand over again across all paranormal healing,
all like UFOs, like, it'sall about changing your brain wave to make

(49:37):
contact. And what I've come torealize is the one word that comes up
over and over and over again istheta. Theta brain waves like that point
between sleep and awake, the hippogogicstate they call it, or a part
of it's called that ands the what'sthe definition of theta just for the peeps
out there is. Data brain wavesoccur when you're sleeping or dreaming, but
they don't occur during the deepest phasesof sleep. They may occur when you're

(50:00):
drifting off to sleep or suspended inthat light phase of sleep just before you
wake up. Data brain waves canalso occur when you're awake, but in
a very deeply relaxed state of mind, a state that some may describe as
autopilot, which is a which isgoing to connect to this book I'm about
to talk about. So basically,what I'm my theory is is that theta

(50:21):
brain wave is almost like the portor the Wi Fi router to connect to
the Internet of consciousness. It isthe key to everything. It's the key
to positive states, negative states,making contact, healing. What are some
of the things that take place duringthis state? We know people get down
loads and inspiration, like Thomas Edisonand other great inventors. Thomas Edison literally
has a technique called Thomas Edison's nappingtechnique just to keep himself in the Theta

(50:45):
brain wave state in order to gleanlike great creative genius. Oh interesting people
have And that's involved by like rightwhen you're falling asleep, you hold something
in your hands so it falls onthe floor and wakes you up just enough
to stay in that state. Peoplehear voices, people have a lot of
body experiences in data state. It'sthe key to astral projection. Man,
I'm coughing too much. I'm gonnahave to slow down. People make contact

(51:08):
with extra dimensionals, beings, remoteviewing, encounters with non human intelligences,
and people report you need to bein this state to fly a UFO.
Now that's a big statement. Okay, what does that mean? So this
teas up the book. I'm takinga lot of the inspiration from It's called
UFO Sky Pilots Pilots of Peace andOneness. It's written by the great and

(51:30):
powerful Grant Cameron, who I metrecently on while we were filming Into the
Vortex, and he's an awesome guy. He talks as fast as I do,
which is wonderful. And I thinkhe's more obsessed with UFOs than I
am, which is equally as wonderful. He is like my new hero.
Just him and I were, hewas talking so fast at dinner. I
was like, yes, just giveit to me, man, I processed

(51:51):
it. That guy's a shit dude. I love Grant Cameron. So in
this book they talk about all thesedifferent people who have flown flying saucers and
reported it, and there's all thesesimilarities. They're all the same story.
The reason why I'm bringing it upis because of the THEDA brainwave aspect and
the connection to contact modalities. Soin this book is a quote from Stanford
scientist Gary Nolan, who, ifyou're not familiar, who's been tied to

(52:14):
a budget different UFO programs in research, generally into UAP's and anomalous material.
This weekend, there's actually a conferencecalled the Soul Foundation where him and other
people are reported on UFOs like reallyhardcore people, including the guy who might
replace Kirkpatrick, whose name I forgetthe top my head, but he said

(52:34):
some interesting stuff. So this quotefrom Gary Nolan in relation to THEDA in
different brainways. He said, Ionce had an experience in London that I
don't understand to this day. Idon't know why this always happens. At
three am, I woke up andmy whole body was pulsing with some sort
of electric fire like nothing I'd everfelt before. I could hear it and
feel it from the tip of mytoes to my fingers, my whole body

(52:57):
right as I woke up. Itwasn't really worse words, but it was
clear. The words were this ishow you connect. It went on for
fifteen minutes and I said, whateverthis is, stop, this has to
stop. This has got to stop. And it sucked. So I was
clearly awake. I had control overit. But again, where did this
voice come from? Maybe it wasa dream. The voice was of a
dream voice of some source, butthe feeling was not. I had never

(53:21):
had any feeling like that before.Interestingly, the next evening it happened again
at about the same time, butit was only a fractional sense of it.
So also in this book he goesthrough different experiencers who have great stories
about flying a UFO. One oftheir names is a lady named Desta barr
Naby and she's from Canada and sheco wrote one of his books called Contact

(53:43):
Modalities, So in the book theybasically say in an interview with a Winnipeg
UFO group, Desta described how shewas shown what it felt like to be
in a theta trance like state bya sparkling being who appeared behind her,
and what she revealed matches exactly whatthree a dozen other witnesses have said.
Desta was talking about trying to attainthe specific mental state where she could force

(54:05):
herself to get out of her bodyin astral travel. She was also told
that to fly the ship, youneeded to be the ship. This is
integral in flying it, so reachingTheta state in these deep states. So
then this is first person what shesaid basically straight up in an interview,
word for word, and when shewas struggling to reach out. She was

(54:28):
training to Astro project at the timeand was struggling to reach data, which
is where you need to be toastro project, which she comes to find
out is directly connected to flying aUFO. You have to be an astral
form in Theta to fly a UFO. So while she was in this deep
meditative state but not quite Theta,she reached out and so this being,
this sparkling thing, I don't evenknow if it was a being. It
was very strange, like the bodyshape was similar to a gray alien,

(54:51):
but it wasn't gray. It wasn'tyou know, gray, and it wasn't
but it was sparkling, So Iguess it wasn't a typical gray alien figure.
I don't know what it was.But the thing came to me and
said, oh, you want toknow what it feels like to be in
Theta, this is what it feelslike. A hand emerged and went from
sparkling to almost like full three Dand touched her left shoulder and oh,

(55:13):
it repeated, Oh you want toknow how to get into Theta, this
is how you get into Theta.And she goes on to say, I
had the like experience where it wasinside my brain or something. I felt
my brain turning down and I sawa knob like a stereo, you know
from the nineties or whatever they like, with a big, giant volume knob.
I was seeing the big knob turndown. The being kept turning it

(55:34):
down, and so I felt mythinking also turning down. I could feel,
and that's what it was. Thisbeing was trying to explain to me
that this is how it feels tobe like in Theta. She ends up
in this world about nothingness in thecenter of the earth with this luminous being
and basically figured out, this iswhere you need to be. This feeling
is how you connect to a ship, how you fly UFO, this astro
form, this this data state,and then she connected with a ship and

(55:57):
she was all of a sudden theboard of the ship, and she could
travel any where she wanted whole.This book's awesome and has long stories about
where they fly, how they fly, but it's instantaneous thought is how it
happens. Now. It doesn't matterif you want to fly the ship,
command the ship, be a channel, or astro travel or all this stuff.
It's all about getting into THEATA.Being in this data state of mind
is the key. So how doyou get into Theta? But it's just

(56:21):
how do you get into it?And how do you maintain it. There's
very different ways you can look uponline, but a couple of just quick
ones is meditating to binaural beats orand or isotonic tones. I saw isotonic
tones. You don't need headsets forthat. Binual beats like slightly off plays
two different frequencies, but they bothcan help you get there. In a
meditative state. You can try theThomas Edison's napping technique, which I already

(56:42):
said, lucid dreaming training, sobasically any of those things. There's other
ways to do it, but it'shard because like I meditate and like I
either fall asleep or I meditate likethat in between that window is where you
got to train if you want tomake contact good or bad. If you
want to be like outcast paranormal notbad, but go in there and push
the envelope and try to get somedark stuff stormed up. It still might
be connected to data, or youcan or a lot of famous healers and

(57:05):
like different modalities when it comes tohealing, Like that state is really powerful
for that, so it can befor anything. Literally, it's just a
secret to everything, paranormal psychic power, good, bad, evil. It's
like it's like the connection to theInternet of consciousness is how I'm putting it.
So that's my that's my overall speechtonight. I have COVID brain.
I don't know if I made sense, but I tried my best and I
appreciate the effort. Yeah, no, that's interesting. I kind of I

(57:30):
kind of want to experiment with ita little bit. Actually of I guess
you're gonna try to get in thereor can I take I just want to
take a pill so they'll yeah,yeah, like you can remote view,
not in THEATAS state. I thinkit's like right above that, but like
something about THEATA state in particular makesall those abilities more powerful. I'm gonna
try. I'm gonna try isototic tonesor by our beats and start meditating that

(57:52):
way and training to see if Ican get there, because I'd love to,
like see if I can make somethinghappen. Because you do hear everyone
who meditates like long term, eventuallythey get good enough to probably go into
the state quicker. They all haveexperiences, like all of them almost universally,
have something that's happened where they're like, oh that was weird, that
wasn't a dream or that that wassomething different. So I'm hoping to speed

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that process up because I don't havedecades of meditating behind me, and I'm
gonna use isotropic tones to probably getthere isotonic isotonic. Yeah, I've experimented
a lot with him, me sayingseveral years ago and then I now it's
easier for me to do it withdifferent tones. But there is there's like

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depending on what you're ready to tapinto. But you're right, the longer
you can do it, the fasteryou can tap into some other reality,
like very quickly. And I workedwith somebody a while ago. I didn't
really trust the process, so Ihaven't done it in a while. But
where they took me up into aship and they did the whole thing where

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they brought you into like a datastate and you connect with your heart and
they were able to bring you upin a ship. And then I was
explaining what he was seeing, andhe was saying what I was seeing.
It was really weird, and itwas like I thought it was crazy.
I'm like, am I just makingshove in my head? But like he
was seeing what I was seeing inmy head, So I'm like, we
must be somewhere. But I justI didn't trust the process because I'm like,

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I don't know whose ship I'm on, and they wanted information like what's
coming up on the screen, whatnumbers do you see? And I'm like,
I'm going to go back home.Maybe no, that's that's a little
creepy. Yeah, but I thinkit's just it's just something we were just
barely, you know, we can'tunderstand. But I think it's such a

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reality that we can tap into atany point and it's all around us.
Just think if everybody could do thatscary world, we would be in Oh
my god, we'd be like that. We'd be like this kid, just
tell him all the say secrets allthe time. Everybody walked away, it'd
be like, oh no, Iwas just in Theata state that was tapping

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into all your bullshito. Time forcrazy House. All right, everybody,
Josh is dying. We've got tolet him go. He really hung on
to the last dick joke. Allhave a wonderful Thanksgiving. And if you
were listening to this after Thanksgiving,I hope it was great. I hope
you're stuffed and and that you havemore things to talk to your family about

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that. I have nothing to dowith your aunts and uncles but just creepy
stuff. Anyway, we love you, and we will see you, and goodbye.