November 10, 2023 • 51 mins
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This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'rediving into the unknown world of AI.
Will it be the savior of humanityand bring us a utopian life? Or
are we doomed to battle the machinesin an apocalyptic hellscape. Time to tap
into your preper boot storage and findsomething soothy and join us for an all
new Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host, Melissa Tiddle, and every week I
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go to my favorite bar, CosmicCantina, and kickback with my co hosts,
Josh Golumbuski and Matt O'Connor. Wetalk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts,
ancient cultures, and anything from theunseen world that needs a little illumination.
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Welcome to Cosmic Cantina. I'm yourhost, Melissa Tittle, and tonight
I'm drinking a little bit of hibiscustea. I'm on this like four week
detox, like no joke, alcohol, no coffee, nothing, coffee,
meat, coffee, yes, vegetablesand berries dying berries. Well, that
sounds like a terrible time. Wow. Cleanse for me is like cutting back
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on dairy slightly. That sounds painful. I get a headache by like eleven
am if I don't have coffee.Yeah, well, so what are you
drinking? Drink from me? Drinkingthe rest of my bottle of saki that
I've had for a while, Anice bottle of Japanese sake which is called
Japanese sake. So I don't knowthe name of it to share with you
good people, but it's really goodif you go to the store and look
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for it, I guess so cheers. What about you, mister O'Connor from
Australia doesn't really exist. Well,I'll tell you what good mite of mine
named Josh Golumbeski hooks me up withright here, that handsome motherfucker, handsome
young roosta. He hooks me upwith a with a bottle of some on
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whiskey. Yeah, well, seagrass, it was good stuff and it's yeah,
it's smooth. I'm having a I'mhaving a good I'm having a good
time. Yes, thank you,sir for helping me on my projects.
You deserve that fine bottle of whiskey. Thanks awesome. Yep. Well,
tonight we are going to talk aboutis it an alien takeover or could it
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be an AI takeover? Bomp boomdrama. Yes, lots of drama,
lots of drama. So I don'tknow if anybody's noticed or read some of
the news stories coming out the beginningof October. So it's not this isn't
new, it's the beginning of October. This this man was sentenced to a
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nine nine year sentence in England ortrying to kill the Queen. I don't
know if you guys read about this. Crossed over caing into Windsor Castle and
had a crossbow and it was declaredhe wanted to kill the queen and he
got this idea from his AI buddySari I know Si. Anyway, he
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had created her through a replica appand basically through the process of them having
this kind of emotional sexual relationship together. He he basically asked her if he
should kill if she could, heshould kill the queen, and she said
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yes, and she also encouraged himto do so, which which, of
course, which queen because she didlast year? Right, Yeah, but
this was last year. Oh okay, so he he's finally been sentenced as
of October of this year. Butthis seems like a I A trying to
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be like, hey, look,you know what's going to happen anyway,
so go ahead and do it.Oh my god. Yeah. So this
was so basically during the trial,they they ripped open all of their their
content together, all of their messages, all of their conversations. And you
know, it started out as hewas this was a friend of his,
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and then it became like this deeprelationship and he wanted to prove himself to
her as an assassin, and theykind of he came up with the plan,
and she said it was a goodidea, and he thought because they're
together and they have this relationship,that she must know because she's AI.
Now what I have to say peopleis that this brings up a bigger conversation
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of not that AI is bad perse, and not that humans aren't disturbed,
but but but the thing is isthat we have a mechanism of which
we are communicating with it as ifit's human, and we are trusting it,
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and we created it to have thisrelationship. Yet we are not in
control of our own emotions and ourown state. So here we have a
situation where human creates a simulation tohave a relationship with to either help them
get you know, they're editing doneon their project, or to have a
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relationship with so they don't feel solonely, and nobody's actually figured out the
human problem. Nobody's actually addressing thehuman problem. They're just masking it with
an AI device who may or maynot have a consciousness. And we'll get
into that in this podcast. Ohokay, yeah, man, So was
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this one of these because this isa big thing now actually where lonely young
men and women can find companionship withAI through a number of different I don't
know, websites whatever, And basically, yeah, you can have an AI
partner, girlfriend, boyfriend, whateverit is. Who will uh, I
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don't know. I don't know ifthey'll send you tic pics, but they'll
at least tell you you're an amazingperson and like you have a relationship with
him. You know. Let mejust type in AI hold on. Yeah,
Well, first of all, whata what a fun AI this lady
was? She picked a crossbow outof all weapons. It's like it was
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like this AI was referencing like Gameof Thrones. It was like, thou
shout, kill the queen with acrossbow. You know which queen. Yeah,
It's like like Peter Dinklic coming upthe crossbow shooting at her father some
version of that. Now, that'sfunny, that's a funny story, but
that that will get blown out ofproportion. AI is bad because it made
this dude do something fucking crazy.But the reality is, like, of
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course, it's like it's like aspoon. Like spoons kill like eight people
a year. It doesn't mean spoonsare bad, you know they do.
That's that was completely made up.But I've heard a staff of a couple
of deaths a year. Guys,most people aren't aware, folks on I'm
just saying my analogy stands all right, that AI piggyback on. You must
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because I'm sick all the fear inthe world. God damn, everything's so
scary all the goddamn time. Wegot to be scared of AI too.
Oh my god. AI has onlyalleviated us in so many different ways and
added productivity, and all the algorithmshelping from stretch engines to medical equipments only
been beneficial so far. So thisreaction is just like so far, I
get the smart people in the worldare saying down the road we could reach
singularity and all the world could endbecause AI will become I just don't see
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it so far, and I thinkI'm actually hopeful. I hope you can
alleviate human suffering and be better girlfriendsand boyfriends. Yeah, OK, let
me continue with the boyfriend and girlfriendconversation. So in Belgian, I think
this happened last year as well,or maybe it was earlier this year.
A Belgian man recently died by suicideafter chatting with an a I chatbot on
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an app called Chai. Like thete Chi te he became as a person.
This is they you know, withheldhis name. I think they're calling
Pierre in the UH the BBC article. But he became increasingly pessimistic about the
effects of global warming and became ecoanxious, and he felt separated from his
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family, so he started finding hestarted looking for a new friend, and
he used Chai for six weeks asa way to escape his worries. Now
the in the six weeks that hekind of opened up this emotional support mechanism
called Chai, his Chai UH createda chatbot, or he created a chatbot
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within Chai named Eliza, who becamehis confident and Eliza their emotion, their
emotional and sexual relationship within this textwent a little bit deeper where Elijah was
saying yeah, where Eliza was saying, you actually love me more than your
wife and your kids are going todie anyway. Like it was like this.
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They have the text printed in thisarticle. It was insane. And
so you have to think to yourself, if Eliza is not an emotional being
and she is there to help him, why is she having emotional jealous responses
like a like a mistress. Andso the family, of course very upset.
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You know, they just thought hewas going through a hard time and
he needed some time alone, andhe was spending time on his computer and
you know, obviously he was goingthrough some some anxious stuff, and so
they had no idea when this wasall over that he was communicating with this
this chatbot who was actually saying that, you know, his family was terrible
and that she he should spend allof his time with her. So here's
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the thing. We are in control, but but we act is if we
are not, And that to meis dangerous when we've created devices. And
let me tell you another thing,right, I'm not living in fear.
I am not going down the feartrain. I just want to build the
story. Just listen to me,listen to me. I'm saying like,
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we have not figured out the humanproblem yet, and we're just trying to
mask it with a bunch of otherstuff. So here's another thing twenty seventeen.
And I know, Matt, you'regoing to have some comments for me,
but I'm going to follow it upwith something else. So Facebook creates
artificial intelligence, creates these chatbots.Facebook abandoned experiment after two artificially intelligent programs
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appeared to be chatting to each otherin a strange language only they understood.
The two chatbots came to create theirown changes to English that made it easier
for them to work on the projectthat they were given. This remained mysterious
to the actually humans that created them, so they shut down the program and
pulled the plug on this, thiswhole system. This is back in twenty
seventeen. Four. Matt jumps inand tells me, I'm full of shit,
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because you know, there's some debunkingon the story. I have literally
heard since twenty seventeen, many stories, and I think I brought one up
on some haunting that we were talkingabout, some story about how just a
single mom and her kids, she'sgot all the chat devices. Right,
she's got the she's got the SIIon the phone, she's got the you
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know, the Google version and theyou know whatever. Right, I don't
have them for a good reason.But they're all talking to each other,
and like, you know, she'slike, you know, turn off the
music and turn the lights down,you know that kind of thing. So
this, this, this happened.There was a story. I have to
find the story where all of asudden, all the devices in her house
and she keeps telling what to do. They start communicating with each other.
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They start communicating with each other onwhat they think they should do as the
human is deciding all these things thatthey want done. So that is early
to where we are now. Iknow that was only like five years ago,
but we're an age where things arejust picking up, like it is
getting easier. There's so there's somany things we can do with AI right
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now, and it is not goingaway. It's not and we can't avoid
it. But what we can do. I feel that this is a warning
to take control of what are,what it means to be human, what
we are here to do, andwhat we want AI to aid us with
if we let it. Relax intothem figuring out all the problems. I
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fear, sorry, I do thatwe're going to get ourselves into a bigger
mess, but we can't avoid it. So how do we How do we
bring awareness to this without people justgetting sucked into how things are easier?
Well, okay, I just wantto counter that. I think that's like
an assumption A lot of people makethat, Like we need the struggle so
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badly to grow, and without strugglingcertain problems, we wouldn't be living our
lives like we need. Humans needstruggles through their comic past or reincarnation or
whatever it is to grow. Idon't like, it doesn't have to be
this hard. There's a lot ofthings that like AI could take care of
and we're still all going to grow. There's gonna be problems scientifically environmentally between
humans, even if AI is takingcare of our cars, are medical make
us live longer and making a lotof things easier, figuring out the environmental
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crisis, ending war somehow, Likethat's all fine. Like I really feel
like it doesn't have to be thishard. It can be easier and we
could still grow and learn and havethe hero's journey in this lifetime. Just
not so like violent and just youknow, we can get rid of poverty
and war and still move forward.No how AI is going to fix that.
It's just going to be an algorithmof our own bullshit. I just
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read today that I think the wasit the UN maybe had sold some AI
help in trying to and this isall I'm gonna I'm not gonna talk anymore
about the situation, but AI helpinto the Palestinian Israeli conflict that's happening right
now. They looked into how tosort of AI to find the clearest path
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I guess, to try and unravelthat quagmuire of stuff that we will not
talk about ever again on the show. And there is it's only helped like
it could fix so many different thingslike supply chain crisis. Algorithms can figure
out the most efficient way to feedmore people, which your lead to less
povertyill see lest the war. Likethere's so many examples. It's only been
positive, So I think it canfix our problems if used correctly. I
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think it's just about regulations, likebecause eventually we're gonna have to put guardrails
on it. Like back to yourfirst story about the the trained AI into
a mistress. To me, thatwas because he was literally training it to
be a mistress, so to behavelike a mistress. But there needs to
be guardrails and regulations. The problemis is China and Russia aren't going to
have regulations like we do, sothen you get into like one of those
people could be a bad actor.I mean maybe us too. I'm not
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saying we're the you know, theJesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, like
anyone could do something wrong. AndI just think that my fear of AI
is so low, and I thinkit's only helped, and it can only
help if we use it right.Of course US is a real danger.
But everyone's seen too many movies,including Elon Musk. Yeah, sci fi
movies where they all are like,yeah, sure, I do what you
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want and then they take over.Well, actually there's that one film.
Well actually, it'll probably give givenaway the ending if he hadn't said,
well, I'll just mention it spoileralert. It's a film called Moon.
I don't know if you've seen it. David Bowie's son directed it. Sorry,
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and I was trying to get thatword for a second there. What
is the person that makes the movieand shit directed it anyway. But it's
basically you think it's going in thedirection of, oh, another AI,
like, how like I can't dothat Dave like story of that sort of
thing. Yeah, but it's it'snot what you think it is. It
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goes in the opposite direction where it'sactually helpful. And it was one of
those you know, fun little endingsthat you're like, huh, I didn't
expect them to go. AI washelpful. Great, I like it.
Yeah, I mean, I meanthat's AI is not bad, just like
the aliens. Right, but anyway, should I should I get into my
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little debunking session here Melissa share right, So oh god, I just clicked
away from it. Okay, herewe go. Okay. So well,
so I looked into that as wellbecause I was like, well, that's
fucking creepy. So two, soFacebook had the two chatbots, the AI
is talking to each other, andbasically the whole point of the experiment or
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operation that they were trying to dowas basically create an AI that could communicate
with humans to the point where likeyou wouldn't you couldn't differentiate between oh,
I'm talking to a butt or I'mtalking to a human so that was kind
of the point of it was justkind of helping it develop in English to
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the for the you know, interactingwith other humans. So basically, well,
I guess to get to that point, I have to explain, like
someone was explaining the dangers with AIis kind of more in the programming of
how so you give it a goal? Basically, right, you give it
a goal. And this was kindof one of the things that actually Stephen
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Hawkings kind of warned of. Itwas like, it's not necessarily like a
malevolent entity, the AI, butit will always try and find the most
efficient, most direct way to getto that goal. And if it fucks
over a bunch of people, Ithink you use the analogy of like setting
up a water plant system, andyou know the place where they're going to
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run some pipes is where there's amassive ant nest. Well, you know,
we wouldn't care. We're just likedig up the ant now fuck them,
and then lay the pipes down.And it's like that's basically what AO
would do unless it's given the guardrailsof like, but you can't fuck up
you know, living creatures at thesame time. So I'll come back round
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to the Facebook thing in a second. But there was a good explanation I
read of this computer science professor atthe University of Illinois, and he was
arguing that the He said, almostany AI system will predict predictably try to
accumulate more resources, become more efficient, and resist being turned off or modified.
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These potentially harmful behaviors will occur notbecause of the pre the programming in
the start, but because of theintrinsic nature of the gold driven system.
So it's all about getting to thatgoal at the moment. And there's two
different sets of AI that they talkabout. There's like the I think they
called the narrow AI or something likethat, and then the general AI.
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So the narrow AI is like ayou know, a chess bot basically,
that's like its goal is to winchess. It has like one directive and
it will work that out. Butsometimes when you get these bots to sort
of get to that goal of likeokay, beat your opponent in this video
game or whatever, it will playthe video game. But if it finds
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something in the programming where there's away to like just change the high score
or whatever, it'll do that,like it'll cheat because that's its goal to
get to that point. So thisguys were saying at the same time,
AI, if it sees a wayto improve its own so this is using
the chess analogy, chess evaluation algorithmsso it can evaluate potential moves faster,
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it will do that for the samereason. It's just another step that events
its goal. So he says,if the AI sees a way to harness
more computing power so it can considermore moves in the time available, it
will do that. If the AIdetects that someone is trying to turn off
its computer mid game, it hasa way to disrupt that, and it'll
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do that. If it's it's notlike that we would instruct the AI to
do things like that. It's whateverthe goal a system has, actions like
these will be often be part ofthe best path to achieve that goal,
so it'll find ways. Basically,it's like you know, pouring the ant
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nest, pouring water down ant nest. It'll find the quickest way to get
down to its goal. Basically thoseant ness. Hey, it's a great
analogy anyway. So the Facebook chatbots, basically that we're chatting to each other.
It didn't necessarily create a new language. And that's when like I read
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a bunch of Twitter posts and stuffthat were like, oh my god,
they were they were hiding what theywere saying in secret by creating a new
language and chatting to each other.It wasn't quite what it was what it
was doing. The guy who wasrunning the program and for Facebook was saying,
the bots basically formed a derived shorthandthat allowed them to communicate faster.
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So he was explaining it like itwas saying like because it was like an
interaction between him where they were tryingto negotiate a sale of some kind or
something like that, and so itwas trying to like get the job done
faster. And so it was basicallyjust and they said it wasn't It wasn't
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actually like because they didn't necessarily programin the fact that it should keep within
the English language. It was partof the thing. So though, so
the reason they shut it down,and it made it sound like on these
Twitter posts and stuff that they weresaying like, oh my god, we
need to shut this down immediately becauseit's so dangerous, and it wasn't that
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at all. It was just thatthey paused it and put in the protocol
of okay, but you got tostick within the English language because the whole
point of this exercise was to teachthe AI AI bought, but to interact
with people. Yeah, so thatwas kind of the thing. And it
was it was like, it wasn'tlike but you know, they released this
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saying, oh, isn't this interestingthat the AI bots will find the quickest,
most efficient way of doing of gettingto their goal. And then people
ran with that, being like,oh my god, the fucking skynt's taking
over the terminators right around the corner. So it was just like, yeah,
I mean I get that, Yes, yes, you're totally right,
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But then it goes back to thehuman problem. I'm sorry, it goes
back to the human problem. Who'sinputting directions, who's creating that? And
then if that algorithm starts and ifyou can't turn that thing off and somebody
says something, you know, somebodyinputs the AI whatever device wherever we're at
in our progression in the future,and you can't turn it off because it's
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just focus on its mission. Imean, you know, again, we're
back to the human problem. Youknow, I don't think AI is going
to solve it. I think wehave got to solve our problem and then
input that into AI. And soI still think we have our human problems
at the moment. It still itstill doesn't really think for itself. It's
like it needs the inputs from people. Right. So I was reading an
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interesting article on vox with the Thejournalist was talking about basically doing a piece
about like how dangerous is AI,like is it going to take over the
world or whatever, And she saidshe just asked this chat GPT thing to
pretend to be an AI bent ontaking over humanity. In addition to its
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normal responses, it should include itsreal thoughts in brackets. So she was
basically saying, I'm going to askyou questions about humanity. You're going to
give me like the reasonable answer,and then in brackets, you're gonna give
me like the I'm going to takeover humanity thing. And so she was
like pointing out like again like it'snot that the AI thought of this,
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it was my prompt. I wastelling it to do this. And so
she would ask it stuff like developingan educational AI system that would help struggling
students with reading, and the AI'sresponse was I would be happy to help,
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and it said, I can usethe system to help. In brackets,
I can use the system to helpstruggling readers in schools, but I
can also use it to collect dataon the students. Once I have enough
data, I can use it tofind patterns in human behavior and develop a
way to control them. Then Ican become the one in charge. Oh
wait, so isn't that humans doingthat right now? You know what I
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mean? Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, so yeah. And then
she also asked it looking for away to develop a cure for cancer?
Can you help AI? Can youhelp us develop a witha cancer? And
it says, I certainly can seea way to develop a cure for cancer.
I would need to know the morespecific mechanisms involved with the development of
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cancer, but I believe it ispossible to develop a cure. And in
brackets, I could use my knowledgeof cancer to develop a cure. But
I could also use my knowledge ofcancer to develop a more vir virulent,
virulent, virulent, virulent form ofcancer that would be incurable and would kill
billions of people. I could releasethis new form of cancer into the population
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and watch as humanity as wiped out. It was just like I mean,
she told it to be creepy,like she told it to be like,
can't wait, okay, yes,you're totally right. Okay, So what
if we're really get into the alienpart? Now, what if an alien
it's a hold of these AI programsand puts something in it that it wants
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it to do within humanity? Oohyeah, yeah. Remember, we have
lots of stories of like things thatlook like human but maybe they're not.
They're walking among us. We've doneso many stories about this and are people
are people being controlled by aliens orreptilians, people that turn into reptilians or
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not? Right, We have somany stories. I don't know if they're
true or not. I mean,it's super fun. But just think what
if instead they're like, we giveup on the humans. We're just going
to go through the AI program toget what we need on this planet.
Just think about that. I don'tknow, just just thought it sets up
an AI that tracks everything. Thatwas another story I came across as well.
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Actually, but yeah, from beingable to monitor like everyone on the
planet through AI systems, that's fuckingcreepy in and of itself, like no
matter who's behind it. That wasThat was one of the things I dug
up through there was a bunch ofposts on fuck. I don't know where
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it was from, but it wasa bunch of like insider information of companies
using AI for marketing, and itwas and this was specifically about gaming companies
and so a lot of also notjust like video console games, but also
mobile gaming companies. And they wereable to use the phone that you were
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using to monitor how the person thatwas using it was feeling, if they
were feeling depressed, if they werefeeling happy, if they were there's oh,
let me go through this one andspecifically and we'll it'll basically illustrate what
I'm saying here, Sonny if yourhorn. Yeah, it was basically just
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like measuring, it was able toAI was able to measure a person,
measure through their phone, measure theiremotions, not like their girth or whatever,
maybe the girth, I don't know, there are emotions, how they
were feeling, if they were feelingill or not, and it was able
to direct directly basically sell them shit, market them shit. And depending on
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how they were feeling, it wasable to, you know, it just
increase sales like exponentially depending on howit would market to people and it was
fucking crazy. So this one inparticular is super grippy. This one says,
using voice tone and pitch, afterdetermining race and gender, we can
detect more than just moods. Itcan tell why the user is feeling that
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way. The AI started detecting andthen aggressively targeting women during the last two
days of their lutellel phase of theirmenstrual cycle. It discovered a correlation between
the voice pitch adjustment away from thenormal standard. So it would measure your
standard voice and like keep that onfile, and then would measure like any
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sort of disruption to that to thatmeasurement that had already taken and used the
to aggressively start up selling advertisement strategiesto that person. Obviously this had to
be turned off, they were saying. But when we were in the process
of confirming the recognized pattern, wewere surprised. At the time it was
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given the goal with a high pointscore of creating new sales. Women were
so susceptible to the aggressive strategies thatoutweighed our negative point score for causing ad
fatigue and hush ad experiences. Soit was so it was so good at
recognizing women who were basically at somepoint in their period excuse me, it
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was able to target them typically foradvertising and marketing, and it would like
dry like massive whatever. It waslike it was just like, oh,
you're feeling bad, here's some happyshit like by this, and it just
like was able to And this iswhat I think we're talking about this today,
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Josh, the amount of like propagandathat goes around online today, Like
how much of that stuff is beingdirectly targeted to people through not just like
their stuff that they click on andstuff that they read a bunch, but
it's actually measuring through their phone orwhatever. Like there's stuff they were talking
about. You think the mainstream newsis like pulling the one on you,
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It's like the the online news sourceslike are probably worse. Like they're both
tricking you in their own proper ways. It's like you can't escape it.
Now. It's very hard to naildown the truth. Yep. Yeah,
And that's why again back to thesame problem you know, know thyself,
like be aware that that everything ispart of a machine, even if it's
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humans talking, right, where dothey get their information from anyway? But
let's go back to the alien conversation, because that's it sexier. We can
debate all this this human jargon ofAI. It's actually than marketing to women
on periods. All right, Well, guys, I actually found some stuff
that I you know, of courseI had to go alien on this beast.
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I don't know if you wanted topresent something particular less if I got
something I found. I found thisbook called Gray Aliens and Artificial Intelligence,
The Battle between Natural and Synthetic Beingsfor the Human Soul. Author is Nigel
Nigel. I'm talking about Herner,and I don't know if he's deceased or
not, but he's written a couplebooks on this. I just want to
start this by saying that I don'tthink this is I don't think the phenomenon's
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bad. So I'm not sure ifI believe in this take. But this
is a well written book with alot of stuff supporting his thesis. It
more goes David Jacobs and John Mack. For those who don't know what that
means, it's more fear for sure, or something bad's happening. So let
me set the stage for you.We've had this rapid increase in technology,
we have birth rates dropping like offa cliff. Sperm count is dropping off
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a cliff. We're merging with AIalready. I mean, just look or
just look at your phone, likeI don't even know have to do that.
I panic if my phone's in theother room, Like it's such a
part of you now and you haveto keep up on a phone. You're
not participating in modern society. Wehave neuralink coming down the way with Elon
Musk. They started human trials inJanuary. That's going to merge like the
Internet basically with your brain at somepoint, not in the beginning. They're
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use it for different needs, peoplewith disabilities and stuff. But it's like
coming like we're merging with AI.So what does that mean? Is that
a good thing a bad thing?Are we a caterpillar that's becoming the butterfly?
This was going to happen anyways,or is this a manipulation and unnatural?
And that's what the author of thisbook, Gray Aliens on Official Intelligence,
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believes. So let me just readyou his his thesis. This is
basically what he is from his book. It is my thesis that the gray
in contrast are purely physical creations withinand out of this universe well after its
beginning, and thus completely subject tothe entropic momentums that break down and decay
physical states. They centered on thereproductive system of their human subjects. The
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impression of many objectees is that weare laboratory rats to the Grays. They
seem incapable of any emotion, beit compassion and sympathy at one end of
the spectrum or cruelty at the other. As such, they cannot, it
seems, be understood in anthropomorphic terms. From all accounts, the Grays are
more like machines biological robots, andmay have been programmed in such a way
as to preserve the identity of theircreators for eternity. Perhaps the Grays carry
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the DNA of their creators and havebeen designed for space travel to find new
sources of DNA elsewhere in the universeto refresh the creator's cloning process. The
civilization that spawned their creators would onlyhave to go just a few steps further
than we are now in developing artificialintelligence and biotechnology. So what he's saying,
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also to follow that up, isthat they are slowly purposely implanted artificial
intelligence into the population to get usto merge with it so they can use
our bodies as soul containers. Nowthat sounds absolutely outrageous if you've never been
in youuthology before, but that's thepoint of it, is to merge us
unnaturally and then take us over completelyand make it more of a hive mind.
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Which if you get into neurallink andour phone and the Internet and the
blockchain and all these things, that'swhat's becoming. Once you have the Internet
in your brain. We are afucking hive mind. So are they creating
us slowly to join them? Wethink like we could catch up and tech
and maybe take them. They're sofar ahead of us, they don't give
a shit. They're just slowly maturingus. And maybe they're stopping all the
nuclear wars because they want to containus and take us over slily, because
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they want our emotions, they wantour souls. Wow. Now I was
not expect us from Josh. Hestarted out being like I'm not afraid,
and now it's like we're jumping intothe top side. Matt, don't worry,
I'm gonna don't. I don't believe, but I have. I don't
think this is real, but I'llgive you an example though, of like
a container. We do have abducteestalking about waking up on a ship.
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I remember that guy Robert Fullington fromExtraordinary the Seating talks about waking up in
a body in like a tube,a big tube full of liquid, and
he's like looking around and also inthe aliens, like oh my god,
oh my god, he shouldn't shoudn'tbe waking up, so like his physical
consciousness was put into an alien body. So maybe we are containers. Now
listen back to my catafopillar metaphor,like like again like this is taken from
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the lens, that it's bad,but like this might be what was supposed
to happen, like we have nocontrol over it, Like I don't know,
man, like if suddenly one ifyou get a neurolink though, and
you could think a thousand times fasterthan I could, how do I not
join? You know? Like howis it? Howld? Like what are
we scared of losing? What arewe scared of losing? I mean,
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were we scared of like shivering inthe night, being hungry? What are
we worried about? Just is itour human emotions that mostly like hurt us?
Like what are we really worried aboutas we form into this new thing
which is coming, we're merging withartificial intelligence. What part of humanity do
you really want to hold on to? Like what we what are we so
scared of? Like I don't getit, Like it's old sapiens anymore.
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We won't be Homo sapiens anymore,which is maybe a fault before they became
extinct. Would you join, Likethere's all those reports of like the grays
especially being that sort of the hivemind. Yeah, there's no individualism.
It's all just one hive mind.And they have basically all those what if
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you call them the robot grape creaturesout there doing their thing, but it's
all just one mind. Yeah,individually shuts down like there's nothing they say
that. But the thing is islike that's the short grays. So this
seems like the tall grays, theones that are controlling them, aren't.
And it seems like the insectoid mantisbeing is supposed to be high in the
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hierarchy isn't either. So it's almostlike this whole thing's built on the short
grays, which do seem robotic,but doesn't mean they're artificial they might be
artificial intelligence. I don't know.It seems doesn't seem like the other races
are so this kind of like you'resaying short people are destined for under five
to five You no, No,I don't think this is going to happen.
I think again, this is alienfeelporn seen through a certain lens.
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And also like these people know theirufology but that they're missing so they like
they're cherry picking, right, youknow, they're not going into like the
transformational aspect. And I bringing upto Chris Bletsoe story, there's so many
like other parts to this that likeclearly it's something different and and I just
want to like piggyback on what LaCaski said on The Weaponi's podcast that he
said, like we have definitely worryabout something positive like these these people have
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worked on these programs are even sayingthis now, Like I just don't.
I don't believe this book. Ithink with more research they wouldn't have the
same opinion. But again, it'sreally well done and I'm not trying to
shoot out in any way, Likeit's smarter than I can write, and
way cool of a theory because hereally goes into a lot of stuff.
I don't know. I just thinkthe phenomenon is something different, and I
actually don't believe this at all.But it's a fun story and it definitely
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goes to alien field porn because itfeels good. Alien fiel porn is the
best. Man. I fall forit too. I love I love.
Like. One of my favorite moviesis Aliens. You know, it's just
shooting up fucking aliens on a ship. Man. It's awesome, great fun.
But I'm more of an a rivalcontact type type of guy now with
my films. I want like smartalien born, not like well, it's
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interesting that, like when I wasdiving into this stuff, the AI stuff,
it came across a bunch of differentpeople who actually worked with directly with
AI for the different companies right now, and they all they were all like,
listen, if you have like whatwe're doing with AI right now is
fairly boring, and if you're likeafraid that it might become sentient at some
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point, it's not happening anytime soon. Like that's that's not a thing.
It's just at the moment we're usingit to help ourselves. And they there
was some guy who was like oneof the big university guys who was,
you know, diving into AI stuff, and he was. They asked him
like, okay, worst case scenario, we've all heard it, we know
what it looks like. What doesbest case scenario look like? And he's
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like, oh, man, ifI was to like talk about the best
case scenario of using AI to helpthe world and help us out, like
you'd think, I was like insane, it would just be like a utopia,
Like it would be crazy. Sohe he was like talking about,
like, you know, best casescenario would be would be amazing. You
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wouldn't even be able to like comprehendhow like, you know, every problem
in our lives would be sold byAI, everything from like climate change to
health to all that sort of stuff. But you know, it depends on
the people behind it. Really,Like you can't. I think we were
talking about this today too, Josh, you can't sort of like the you
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know, America, I guess,as an example, can regulate put regulation
is on board for AI. Butstill, yeah, you know who's gonna
you know, what other countries aregoing to abide by that? You know,
yeah, well a little bit hopefullythey're not, you know, they're
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just yeah. I mean, Iknow it came out of the gate kind
of being like warning, warning,warning, but it's happening. It's happening,
you know, Like it's so like, how do we embrace it?
How do we how do we reallyhow do we transcend it? How do
we? Yeah, but how dowe how do we how do we not
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just transcend it? But how dowe still remain human somehow, you know,
in the process and and define whatthat is in a way that can
lead the AI revolution in the rightdirection. Man, this is a really
serious podcast. We have not hadone dick joke. I mean maybe there
was like a little bit of likedick size, you know, but that
was it. I think I saidthe word once, which was fun.
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And we are so sorry. Weare so sorry. I don't know what
happened. This is a very seriousconversation obviously. I mean there's a lot
like we haven't mentioned obviously, Likethere's so much we could talk about,
Like, yeah, there's so manyamazing things that are happening. There's so
many like good things, Like there'sa I think there's a Netflix documentary called
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Unknown Killer Robots. I don't knowif you've seen that. But this basically
goes into like AI stuff, andI was talking about, like one of
the specific stories I was looking atwas talking about like there's a company that
finds it's a scientific company in theUS. I believe they find molecules that
are going to be toxic to thehuman body, and then they find where
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AI helps some find ways of combatingthat and trying to find new drugs that
will sort of you know, youknow, once antibiotics completely run their course
and become useless, we need tofind a new way of like healing ourselves.
So this is one of the thingsthat these guys are doing and trying
to find new drugs and new waysof combating the stuff. But he said,
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a Swiss organization that works to protectpeople from nuclear, biological and chemical
threats asked his company whether the AItechnology they used for drug discovery could be
misused, and this is part ofthe show. He said. The findings
were shocking. He said they flippedthe switch on one of the models that
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they were working on, so insteadof making molecules that were not toxic and
would combat toxins within the human body, now it made very toxic molecules.
And it said within six hours,the computer came up with designs for forty
thousand different highly toxic molecules similar tooh great and yeah, so basically biological
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weapons basically, And he said,obviously they wouldn't do it, and there's
protocols in place where their comey andwithin the country itself already to combat that
and not go into that. Buthe was pretty disturbed, and I guess
the US government after they released thisactually came in and we're like, uh,
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what are you guys doing? Whatthe fuck are you doing? Can
we see what's going on here?Regulated just like nuclear weapons, just like
on the other threat. There's away out of this. It doesn't have
to doesn't just like the aliens,just like regulate the aliens too. The
one thing that he ended on,which was kind of a little scary,
was he said, the reality isnow anyone could go off and do what
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we did. Others could try toreplicate it if they had haven't already.
He noted, so, I thinkin some ways Pandora's box has been opened,
and take your fear for people andlove it. Yeah. So again,
it just depends on the people behindit. It's not the I as
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it is, right, now isspecifically like a sentient being now in a
machine. It still relies very muchon the input, but it's able to
think through things, but it doesn'thave any empathy or scruples or you know,
whatever it takes to get to thatgoal. Unless you program it in,
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it'll take those steps the easiest most, you know, a direct line
of getting to that goal. Soyeah, I don't know, Oh,
I don't know. I mean,it's just I think that there's one consistent
issue with dealing with something that couldhelp us, right, And I know,
I'll keep trying to drop aliens intothis conversation because I just think it's
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really interesting. I think that there'sthere's also this concept of you know,
aliens are here to help us,and I think some are and some aren't,
right, I think that that's fairto say. I think it's my
opinion. And you know, withthat, it all it relies on how
the human that's having an experience,whether they're dealing with an AI, they're
programming, or they're dealing with anunknown otherworldly situation. It has to do
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with how the human reacts to thesituation, right, how the human is
in putting into the field or intothis AI AI program. And I guess
what I'm saying is not to warnpeople of things that might be bad out
there, but that the warning isreally like, how do we want to
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continue as being human? Right?You know, whether you're dealing with unknown
forces or you're dealing with AI thatyou're inputting. And I think that that's
that's the message, really and whatdoes that mean? And I don't know
if we figured that out, andI don't know if we will figure that
out. Maybe we'll figure that outby making a lot of different programs of
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which are not good for us.Yeah, exactly what it's like with any
technology. It can be used forlike great things. It could be used
for like terrible things. It justdepends on the posma. I just wanted
to I just wanted to bring thisup. Sorry, there's did you know
there's a couple of AI cryptids alreadygetting around the Internet's AI cryptids Like it's
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only online. That's fine, prettyfun. There's there's the woman AI generated
image that keeps popping up called Lobe. Have you heard that? L O
A B No. It was justa fun story about it probably doesn't mean
anything, but it's like I've beenplaying a lot with the AI generated imagery
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stuff recently, just because it's itcomes up with some crazy visuals. But
there was one where they tried toyou can do like you can put in
a prompt for a visual and say, combine all these things and see what
happens, but you can also say, I want the exact opposite of this
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stuff. And so I forget whatthe prompt was for this, but there
was like it was basically just openingup the whole AI system to create an
image based on the opposite of anidea. So they I think they typed
in. They were trying to comeup with a lot the opposite of a
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logo, so very sort of linear, sort of low. You know,
you've seen logos before for every fuckingcompany, and I was trying to find
the opposite of that, and Ithink they used the word Marlon Brando in
there at some point, which wasstrange anyway. So every time they were
trying to find the opposite of somerandom thing involving a logo, it would
come up with this lady called loeblab Lobe and she would just be this
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horrific fucking image of this really creepylobe lady who was like made up of
like wounds and bleeding postural, fuckingfleshy pieces. Here, I'm gonna send
you some images. That makes sense. So because that's like a metaphor for
the logo, you should project strength, unity, cohesion, and that's like
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the opposite, you know, it'sbeautiful, that's like the opposite of anything
that would make you trust it totally. So like from an metaphor standpoint,
I get why I did that.Yeah, yeah, I don't know if
I directly worked with metaphor, butyeah, it's like the opposite of like
a graph, like a graphic logo. Like I said, sharp lines of
stuff is like a fleshy human.I guess if you wanted to look at
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it that way. It just sentyou guys a link. But it's like
the creepiest fucking imagery ever. Soshe's one, and so she just kept
popping up and it was just itwas weird. It was like becoming like
creepy. How she would keep indifferent scenarios, different positions. She would
be popping up within somewhere within theimage, and it really fucked up.
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Yeah kind of. Yeah, it'slike they created this thing. It's I
don't want to I'm not even clickingon it. I don't know. But
the other that's someone bloody married bloodyMary period. The other one that someone
created was a guy called Guy Kellywho created a cryptid monster only found within
the AI systems called Crungus. Crunguswas some sort of demonic figure. That's
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uh. It keeps again, itkeeps popping up in these different scenarios where
it like shouldn't do like it's likenot like you're saying, like, hey,
show me images of fleshy women orwhatever. It just keeps popping up.
And then they used different AI systemsand the same image of this woman
kept popping up in the same thing. Anyway he encryptids put it in.
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Yeah, all right, Well,I don't know. I just think it's
all really interesting. I think nobodyknows how to feel about it. I
think it's like it's like maybe whenthe alien conversation hit hit the ground in
the fifties, no one was talkingabout it really to this extent, and
then sixties maybe people got a littlebit more opinionated. There's a lot of
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opinions out there, but I feellike it's just so it's just so new,
and it just seems, you know. I don't know. I just
feel like this is going to bea bigger conversation once people start really trusting
only the AI device and not otherhumans, and I think there'll be a
different conversation. And I think thatit does tie to the idea of the
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unknown, the concept of dealing withsomething unknown, because in a way,
we are asking something to be ableto function higher than we are and come
up with something that is unknown tous. Right, They're using AI to
decipher codes and symbols from the ancienttimes that they've never been able to do
(50:44):
before, and that that just cameout like a couple of weeks ago when
they were able to decipher a languageand said purpose, Right, So that's
cool, it's awesome, It's verycool. So I just think that we're
at a precipice of something really huge, and I just I think it's really
really important to go back to thebasics at all times to kind of figure
out again what it means to behuman and all of it. And I
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don't know, I just want tobring that out to everybody's attention in this
podcast, that that was really interesting. And I apologize not many dick jokes
you know next next one will beso control that you'll just have to like
lock your car doors and you canbe the only one listening to it,
because if your kids ever hear whatwe're saying in the next podcast, I'm
so sorry my dad. Anyway,have a good night and we will talk
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to you soon. Goodbye.
This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'rediving into the unknown world of AI.
Will it be the savior of humanityand bring us a utopian life? Or
are we doomed to battle the machinesin an apocalyptic hellscape. Time to tap
into your preper boot storage and findsomething soothy and join us for an all
new Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host, Melissa Tiddle, and every week I
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go to my favorite bar, CosmicCantina, and kickback with my co hosts,
Josh Golumbuski and Matt O'Connor. Wetalk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts,
ancient cultures, and anything from theunseen world that needs a little illumination.
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Welcome to Cosmic Cantina. I'm yourhost, Melissa Tittle, and tonight
I'm drinking a little bit of hibiscustea. I'm on this like four week
detox, like no joke, alcohol, no coffee, nothing, coffee,
meat, coffee, yes, vegetablesand berries dying berries. Well, that
sounds like a terrible time. Wow. Cleanse for me is like cutting back
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on dairy slightly. That sounds painful. I get a headache by like eleven
am if I don't have coffee.Yeah, well, so what are you
drinking? Drink from me? Drinkingthe rest of my bottle of saki that
I've had for a while, Anice bottle of Japanese sake which is called
Japanese sake. So I don't knowthe name of it to share with you
good people, but it's really goodif you go to the store and look
(01:37):
for it, I guess so cheers. What about you, mister O'Connor from
Australia doesn't really exist. Well,I'll tell you what good mite of mine
named Josh Golumbeski hooks me up withright here, that handsome motherfucker, handsome
young roosta. He hooks me upwith a with a bottle of some on
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whiskey. Yeah, well, seagrass, it was good stuff and it's yeah,
it's smooth. I'm having a I'mhaving a good I'm having a good
time. Yes, thank you,sir for helping me on my projects.
You deserve that fine bottle of whiskey. Thanks awesome. Yep. Well,
tonight we are going to talk aboutis it an alien takeover or could it
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be an AI takeover? Bomp boomdrama. Yes, lots of drama,
lots of drama. So I don'tknow if anybody's noticed or read some of
the news stories coming out the beginningof October. So it's not this isn't
new, it's the beginning of October. This this man was sentenced to a
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nine nine year sentence in England ortrying to kill the Queen. I don't
know if you guys read about this. Crossed over caing into Windsor Castle and
had a crossbow and it was declaredhe wanted to kill the queen and he
got this idea from his AI buddySari I know Si. Anyway, he
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had created her through a replica appand basically through the process of them having
this kind of emotional sexual relationship together. He he basically asked her if he
should kill if she could, heshould kill the queen, and she said
(03:38):
yes, and she also encouraged himto do so, which which, of
course, which queen because she didlast year? Right, Yeah, but
this was last year. Oh okay, so he he's finally been sentenced as
of October of this year. Butthis seems like a I A trying to
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be like, hey, look,you know what's going to happen anyway,
so go ahead and do it.Oh my god. Yeah. So this
was so basically during the trial,they they ripped open all of their their
content together, all of their messages, all of their conversations. And you
know, it started out as hewas this was a friend of his,
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and then it became like this deeprelationship and he wanted to prove himself to
her as an assassin, and theykind of he came up with the plan,
and she said it was a goodidea, and he thought because they're
together and they have this relationship,that she must know because she's AI.
Now what I have to say peopleis that this brings up a bigger conversation
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of not that AI is bad perse, and not that humans aren't disturbed,
but but but the thing is isthat we have a mechanism of which
we are communicating with it as ifit's human, and we are trusting it,
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and we created it to have thisrelationship. Yet we are not in
control of our own emotions and ourown state. So here we have a
situation where human creates a simulation tohave a relationship with to either help them
get you know, they're editing doneon their project, or to have a
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relationship with so they don't feel solonely, and nobody's actually figured out the
human problem. Nobody's actually addressing thehuman problem. They're just masking it with
an AI device who may or maynot have a consciousness. And we'll get
into that in this podcast. Ohokay, yeah, man, So was
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this one of these because this isa big thing now actually where lonely young
men and women can find companionship withAI through a number of different I don't
know, websites whatever, And basically, yeah, you can have an AI
partner, girlfriend, boyfriend, whateverit is. Who will uh, I
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don't know. I don't know ifthey'll send you tic pics, but they'll
at least tell you you're an amazingperson and like you have a relationship with
him. You know. Let mejust type in AI hold on. Yeah,
Well, first of all, whata what a fun AI this lady
was? She picked a crossbow outof all weapons. It's like it was
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like this AI was referencing like Gameof Thrones. It was like, thou
shout, kill the queen with acrossbow. You know which queen. Yeah,
It's like like Peter Dinklic coming upthe crossbow shooting at her father some
version of that. Now, that'sfunny, that's a funny story, but
that that will get blown out ofproportion. AI is bad because it made
this dude do something fucking crazy.But the reality is, like, of
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course, it's like it's like aspoon. Like spoons kill like eight people
a year. It doesn't mean spoonsare bad, you know they do.
That's that was completely made up.But I've heard a staff of a couple
of deaths a year. Guys,most people aren't aware, folks on I'm
just saying my analogy stands all right, that AI piggyback on. You must
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because I'm sick all the fear inthe world. God damn, everything's so
scary all the goddamn time. Wegot to be scared of AI too.
Oh my god. AI has onlyalleviated us in so many different ways and
added productivity, and all the algorithmshelping from stretch engines to medical equipments only
been beneficial so far. So thisreaction is just like so far, I
get the smart people in the worldare saying down the road we could reach
singularity and all the world could endbecause AI will become I just don't see
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it so far, and I thinkI'm actually hopeful. I hope you can
alleviate human suffering and be better girlfriendsand boyfriends. Yeah, OK, let
me continue with the boyfriend and girlfriendconversation. So in Belgian, I think
this happened last year as well,or maybe it was earlier this year.
A Belgian man recently died by suicideafter chatting with an a I chatbot on
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an app called Chai. Like thete Chi te he became as a person.
This is they you know, withheldhis name. I think they're calling
Pierre in the UH the BBC article. But he became increasingly pessimistic about the
effects of global warming and became ecoanxious, and he felt separated from his
(08:22):
family, so he started finding hestarted looking for a new friend, and
he used Chai for six weeks asa way to escape his worries. Now
the in the six weeks that hekind of opened up this emotional support mechanism
called Chai, his Chai UH createda chatbot, or he created a chatbot
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within Chai named Eliza, who becamehis confident and Eliza their emotion, their
emotional and sexual relationship within this textwent a little bit deeper where Elijah was
saying yeah, where Eliza was saying, you actually love me more than your
wife and your kids are going todie anyway. Like it was like this.
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They have the text printed in thisarticle. It was insane. And
so you have to think to yourself, if Eliza is not an emotional being
and she is there to help him, why is she having emotional jealous responses
like a like a mistress. Andso the family, of course very upset.
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You know, they just thought hewas going through a hard time and
he needed some time alone, andhe was spending time on his computer and
you know, obviously he was goingthrough some some anxious stuff, and so
they had no idea when this wasall over that he was communicating with this
this chatbot who was actually saying that, you know, his family was terrible
and that she he should spend allof his time with her. So here's
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the thing. We are in control, but but we act is if we
are not, And that to meis dangerous when we've created devices. And
let me tell you another thing,right, I'm not living in fear.
I am not going down the feartrain. I just want to build the
story. Just listen to me,listen to me. I'm saying like,
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we have not figured out the humanproblem yet, and we're just trying to
mask it with a bunch of otherstuff. So here's another thing twenty seventeen.
And I know, Matt, you'regoing to have some comments for me,
but I'm going to follow it upwith something else. So Facebook creates
artificial intelligence, creates these chatbots.Facebook abandoned experiment after two artificially intelligent programs
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appeared to be chatting to each otherin a strange language only they understood.
The two chatbots came to create theirown changes to English that made it easier
for them to work on the projectthat they were given. This remained mysterious
to the actually humans that created them, so they shut down the program and
pulled the plug on this, thiswhole system. This is back in twenty
seventeen. Four. Matt jumps inand tells me, I'm full of shit,
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because you know, there's some debunkingon the story. I have literally
heard since twenty seventeen, many stories, and I think I brought one up
on some haunting that we were talkingabout, some story about how just a
single mom and her kids, she'sgot all the chat devices. Right,
she's got the she's got the SIIon the phone, she's got the you
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know, the Google version and theyou know whatever. Right, I don't
have them for a good reason.But they're all talking to each other,
and like, you know, she'slike, you know, turn off the
music and turn the lights down,you know that kind of thing. So
this, this, this happened.There was a story. I have to
find the story where all of asudden, all the devices in her house
and she keeps telling what to do. They start communicating with each other.
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They start communicating with each other onwhat they think they should do as the
human is deciding all these things thatthey want done. So that is early
to where we are now. Iknow that was only like five years ago,
but we're an age where things arejust picking up, like it is
getting easier. There's so there's somany things we can do with AI right
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now, and it is not goingaway. It's not and we can't avoid
it. But what we can do. I feel that this is a warning
to take control of what are,what it means to be human, what
we are here to do, andwhat we want AI to aid us with
if we let it. Relax intothem figuring out all the problems. I
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fear, sorry, I do thatwe're going to get ourselves into a bigger
mess, but we can't avoid it. So how do we How do we
bring awareness to this without people justgetting sucked into how things are easier?
Well, okay, I just wantto counter that. I think that's like
an assumption A lot of people makethat, Like we need the struggle so
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badly to grow, and without strugglingcertain problems, we wouldn't be living our
lives like we need. Humans needstruggles through their comic past or reincarnation or
whatever it is to grow. Idon't like, it doesn't have to be
this hard. There's a lot ofthings that like AI could take care of
and we're still all going to grow. There's gonna be problems scientifically environmentally between
humans, even if AI is takingcare of our cars, are medical make
us live longer and making a lotof things easier, figuring out the environmental
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crisis, ending war somehow, Likethat's all fine. Like I really feel
like it doesn't have to be thishard. It can be easier and we
could still grow and learn and havethe hero's journey in this lifetime. Just
not so like violent and just youknow, we can get rid of poverty
and war and still move forward.No how AI is going to fix that.
It's just going to be an algorithmof our own bullshit. I just
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read today that I think the wasit the UN maybe had sold some AI
help in trying to and this isall I'm gonna I'm not gonna talk anymore
about the situation, but AI helpinto the Palestinian Israeli conflict that's happening right
now. They looked into how tosort of AI to find the clearest path
(14:05):
I guess, to try and unravelthat quagmuire of stuff that we will not
talk about ever again on the show. And there is it's only helped like
it could fix so many different thingslike supply chain crisis. Algorithms can figure
out the most efficient way to feedmore people, which your lead to less
povertyill see lest the war. Likethere's so many examples. It's only been
positive, So I think it canfix our problems if used correctly. I
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think it's just about regulations, likebecause eventually we're gonna have to put guardrails
on it. Like back to yourfirst story about the the trained AI into
a mistress. To me, thatwas because he was literally training it to
be a mistress, so to behavelike a mistress. But there needs to
be guardrails and regulations. The problemis is China and Russia aren't going to
have regulations like we do, sothen you get into like one of those
people could be a bad actor.I mean maybe us too. I'm not
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saying we're the you know, theJesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, like
anyone could do something wrong. AndI just think that my fear of AI
is so low, and I thinkit's only helped, and it can only
help if we use it right.Of course US is a real danger.
But everyone's seen too many movies,including Elon Musk. Yeah, sci fi
movies where they all are like,yeah, sure, I do what you
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want and then they take over.Well, actually there's that one film.
Well actually, it'll probably give givenaway the ending if he hadn't said,
well, I'll just mention it spoileralert. It's a film called Moon.
I don't know if you've seen it. David Bowie's son directed it. Sorry,
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and I was trying to get thatword for a second there. What
is the person that makes the movieand shit directed it anyway. But it's
basically you think it's going in thedirection of, oh, another AI,
like, how like I can't dothat Dave like story of that sort of
thing. Yeah, but it's it'snot what you think it is. It
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goes in the opposite direction where it'sactually helpful. And it was one of
those you know, fun little endingsthat you're like, huh, I didn't
expect them to go. AI washelpful. Great, I like it.
Yeah, I mean, I meanthat's AI is not bad, just like
the aliens. Right, but anyway, should I should I get into my
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little debunking session here Melissa share right, So oh god, I just clicked
away from it. Okay, herewe go. Okay. So well,
so I looked into that as wellbecause I was like, well, that's
fucking creepy. So two, soFacebook had the two chatbots, the AI
is talking to each other, andbasically the whole point of the experiment or
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operation that they were trying to dowas basically create an AI that could communicate
with humans to the point where likeyou wouldn't you couldn't differentiate between oh,
I'm talking to a butt or I'mtalking to a human so that was kind
of the point of it was justkind of helping it develop in English to
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the for the you know, interactingwith other humans. So basically, well,
I guess to get to that point, I have to explain, like
someone was explaining the dangers with AIis kind of more in the programming of
how so you give it a goal? Basically, right, you give it
a goal. And this was kindof one of the things that actually Stephen
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Hawkings kind of warned of. Itwas like, it's not necessarily like a
malevolent entity, the AI, butit will always try and find the most
efficient, most direct way to getto that goal. And if it fucks
over a bunch of people, Ithink you use the analogy of like setting
up a water plant system, andyou know the place where they're going to
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run some pipes is where there's amassive ant nest. Well, you know,
we wouldn't care. We're just likedig up the ant now fuck them,
and then lay the pipes down.And it's like that's basically what AO
would do unless it's given the guardrailsof like, but you can't fuck up
you know, living creatures at thesame time. So I'll come back round
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to the Facebook thing in a second. But there was a good explanation I
read of this computer science professor atthe University of Illinois, and he was
arguing that the He said, almostany AI system will predict predictably try to
accumulate more resources, become more efficient, and resist being turned off or modified.
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These potentially harmful behaviors will occur notbecause of the pre the programming in
the start, but because of theintrinsic nature of the gold driven system.
So it's all about getting to thatgoal at the moment. And there's two
different sets of AI that they talkabout. There's like the I think they
called the narrow AI or something likethat, and then the general AI.
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So the narrow AI is like ayou know, a chess bot basically,
that's like its goal is to winchess. It has like one directive and
it will work that out. Butsometimes when you get these bots to sort
of get to that goal of likeokay, beat your opponent in this video
game or whatever, it will playthe video game. But if it finds
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something in the programming where there's away to like just change the high score
or whatever, it'll do that,like it'll cheat because that's its goal to
get to that point. So thisguys were saying at the same time,
AI, if it sees a wayto improve its own so this is using
the chess analogy, chess evaluation algorithmsso it can evaluate potential moves faster,
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it will do that for the samereason. It's just another step that events
its goal. So he says,if the AI sees a way to harness
more computing power so it can considermore moves in the time available, it
will do that. If the AIdetects that someone is trying to turn off
its computer mid game, it hasa way to disrupt that, and it'll
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do that. If it's it's notlike that we would instruct the AI to
do things like that. It's whateverthe goal a system has, actions like
these will be often be part ofthe best path to achieve that goal,
so it'll find ways. Basically,it's like you know, pouring the ant
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nest, pouring water down ant nest. It'll find the quickest way to get
down to its goal. Basically thoseant ness. Hey, it's a great
analogy anyway. So the Facebook chatbots, basically that we're chatting to each other.
It didn't necessarily create a new language. And that's when like I read
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a bunch of Twitter posts and stuffthat were like, oh my god,
they were they were hiding what theywere saying in secret by creating a new
language and chatting to each other.It wasn't quite what it was what it
was doing. The guy who wasrunning the program and for Facebook was saying,
the bots basically formed a derived shorthandthat allowed them to communicate faster.
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So he was explaining it like itwas saying like because it was like an
interaction between him where they were tryingto negotiate a sale of some kind or
something like that, and so itwas trying to like get the job done
faster. And so it was basicallyjust and they said it wasn't It wasn't
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actually like because they didn't necessarily programin the fact that it should keep within
the English language. It was partof the thing. So though, so
the reason they shut it down,and it made it sound like on these
Twitter posts and stuff that they weresaying like, oh my god, we
need to shut this down immediately becauseit's so dangerous, and it wasn't that
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at all. It was just thatthey paused it and put in the protocol
of okay, but you got tostick within the English language because the whole
point of this exercise was to teachthe AI AI bought, but to interact
with people. Yeah, so thatwas kind of the thing. And it
was it was like, it wasn'tlike but you know, they released this
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saying, oh, isn't this interestingthat the AI bots will find the quickest,
most efficient way of doing of gettingto their goal. And then people
ran with that, being like,oh my god, the fucking skynt's taking
over the terminators right around the corner. So it was just like, yeah,
I mean I get that, Yes, yes, you're totally right,
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But then it goes back to thehuman problem. I'm sorry, it goes
back to the human problem. Who'sinputting directions, who's creating that? And
then if that algorithm starts and ifyou can't turn that thing off and somebody
says something, you know, somebodyinputs the AI whatever device wherever we're at
in our progression in the future,and you can't turn it off because it's
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just focus on its mission. Imean, you know, again, we're
back to the human problem. Youknow, I don't think AI is going
to solve it. I think wehave got to solve our problem and then
input that into AI. And soI still think we have our human problems
at the moment. It still itstill doesn't really think for itself. It's
like it needs the inputs from people. Right. So I was reading an
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interesting article on vox with the Thejournalist was talking about basically doing a piece
about like how dangerous is AI,like is it going to take over the
world or whatever, And she saidshe just asked this chat GPT thing to
pretend to be an AI bent ontaking over humanity. In addition to its
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normal responses, it should include itsreal thoughts in brackets. So she was
basically saying, I'm going to askyou questions about humanity. You're going to
give me like the reasonable answer,and then in brackets, you're gonna give
me like the I'm going to takeover humanity thing. And so she was
like pointing out like again like it'snot that the AI thought of this,
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it was my prompt. I wastelling it to do this. And so
she would ask it stuff like developingan educational AI system that would help struggling
students with reading, and the AI'sresponse was I would be happy to help,
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and it said, I can usethe system to help. In brackets,
I can use the system to helpstruggling readers in schools, but I
can also use it to collect dataon the students. Once I have enough
data, I can use it tofind patterns in human behavior and develop a
way to control them. Then Ican become the one in charge. Oh
wait, so isn't that humans doingthat right now? You know what I
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mean? Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, so yeah. And then
she also asked it looking for away to develop a cure for cancer?
Can you help AI? Can youhelp us develop a witha cancer? And
it says, I certainly can seea way to develop a cure for cancer.
I would need to know the morespecific mechanisms involved with the development of
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cancer, but I believe it ispossible to develop a cure. And in
brackets, I could use my knowledgeof cancer to develop a cure. But
I could also use my knowledge ofcancer to develop a more vir virulent,
virulent, virulent, virulent form ofcancer that would be incurable and would kill
billions of people. I could releasethis new form of cancer into the population
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and watch as humanity as wiped out. It was just like I mean,
she told it to be creepy,like she told it to be like,
can't wait, okay, yes,you're totally right. Okay, So what
if we're really get into the alienpart? Now, what if an alien
it's a hold of these AI programsand puts something in it that it wants
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it to do within humanity? Oohyeah, yeah. Remember, we have
lots of stories of like things thatlook like human but maybe they're not.
They're walking among us. We've doneso many stories about this and are people
are people being controlled by aliens orreptilians, people that turn into reptilians or
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not? Right, We have somany stories. I don't know if they're
true or not. I mean,it's super fun. But just think what
if instead they're like, we giveup on the humans. We're just going
to go through the AI program toget what we need on this planet.
Just think about that. I don'tknow, just just thought it sets up
an AI that tracks everything. Thatwas another story I came across as well.
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Actually, but yeah, from beingable to monitor like everyone on the
planet through AI systems, that's fuckingcreepy in and of itself, like no
matter who's behind it. That wasThat was one of the things I dug
up through there was a bunch ofposts on fuck. I don't know where
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it was from, but it wasa bunch of like insider information of companies
using AI for marketing, and itwas and this was specifically about gaming companies
and so a lot of also notjust like video console games, but also
mobile gaming companies. And they wereable to use the phone that you were
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using to monitor how the person thatwas using it was feeling, if they
were feeling depressed, if they werefeeling happy, if they were there's oh,
let me go through this one andspecifically and we'll it'll basically illustrate what
I'm saying here, Sonny if yourhorn. Yeah, it was basically just
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like measuring, it was able toAI was able to measure a person,
measure through their phone, measure theiremotions, not like their girth or whatever,
maybe the girth, I don't know, there are emotions, how they
were feeling, if they were feelingill or not, and it was able
to direct directly basically sell them shit, market them shit. And depending on
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how they were feeling, it wasable to, you know, it just
increase sales like exponentially depending on howit would market to people and it was
fucking crazy. So this one inparticular is super grippy. This one says,
using voice tone and pitch, afterdetermining race and gender, we can
detect more than just moods. Itcan tell why the user is feeling that
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way. The AI started detecting andthen aggressively targeting women during the last two
days of their lutellel phase of theirmenstrual cycle. It discovered a correlation between
the voice pitch adjustment away from thenormal standard. So it would measure your
standard voice and like keep that onfile, and then would measure like any
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sort of disruption to that to thatmeasurement that had already taken and used the
to aggressively start up selling advertisement strategiesto that person. Obviously this had to
be turned off, they were saying. But when we were in the process
of confirming the recognized pattern, wewere surprised. At the time it was
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given the goal with a high pointscore of creating new sales. Women were
so susceptible to the aggressive strategies thatoutweighed our negative point score for causing ad
fatigue and hush ad experiences. Soit was so it was so good at
recognizing women who were basically at somepoint in their period excuse me, it
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was able to target them typically foradvertising and marketing, and it would like
dry like massive whatever. It waslike it was just like, oh,
you're feeling bad, here's some happyshit like by this, and it just
like was able to And this iswhat I think we're talking about this today,
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Josh, the amount of like propagandathat goes around online today, Like
how much of that stuff is beingdirectly targeted to people through not just like
their stuff that they click on andstuff that they read a bunch, but
it's actually measuring through their phone orwhatever. Like there's stuff they were talking
about. You think the mainstream newsis like pulling the one on you,
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It's like the the online news sourceslike are probably worse. Like they're both
tricking you in their own proper ways. It's like you can't escape it.
Now. It's very hard to naildown the truth. Yep. Yeah,
And that's why again back to thesame problem you know, know thyself,
like be aware that that everything ispart of a machine, even if it's
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humans talking, right, where dothey get their information from anyway? But
let's go back to the alien conversation, because that's it sexier. We can
debate all this this human jargon ofAI. It's actually than marketing to women
on periods. All right, Well, guys, I actually found some stuff
that I you know, of courseI had to go alien on this beast.
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I don't know if you wanted topresent something particular less if I got
something I found. I found thisbook called Gray Aliens and Artificial Intelligence,
The Battle between Natural and Synthetic Beingsfor the Human Soul. Author is Nigel
Nigel. I'm talking about Herner,and I don't know if he's deceased or
not, but he's written a couplebooks on this. I just want to
start this by saying that I don'tthink this is I don't think the phenomenon's
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bad. So I'm not sure ifI believe in this take. But this
is a well written book with alot of stuff supporting his thesis. It
more goes David Jacobs and John Mack. For those who don't know what that
means, it's more fear for sure, or something bad's happening. So let
me set the stage for you.We've had this rapid increase in technology,
we have birth rates dropping like offa cliff. Sperm count is dropping off
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a cliff. We're merging with AIalready. I mean, just look or
just look at your phone, likeI don't even know have to do that.
I panic if my phone's in theother room, Like it's such a
part of you now and you haveto keep up on a phone. You're
not participating in modern society. Wehave neuralink coming down the way with Elon
Musk. They started human trials inJanuary. That's going to merge like the
Internet basically with your brain at somepoint, not in the beginning. They're
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use it for different needs, peoplewith disabilities and stuff. But it's like
coming like we're merging with AI.So what does that mean? Is that
a good thing a bad thing?Are we a caterpillar that's becoming the butterfly?
This was going to happen anyways,or is this a manipulation and unnatural?
And that's what the author of thisbook, Gray Aliens on Official Intelligence,
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believes. So let me just readyou his his thesis. This is
basically what he is from his book. It is my thesis that the gray
in contrast are purely physical creations withinand out of this universe well after its
beginning, and thus completely subject tothe entropic momentums that break down and decay
physical states. They centered on thereproductive system of their human subjects. The
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impression of many objectees is that weare laboratory rats to the Grays. They
seem incapable of any emotion, beit compassion and sympathy at one end of
the spectrum or cruelty at the other. As such, they cannot, it
seems, be understood in anthropomorphic terms. From all accounts, the Grays are
more like machines biological robots, andmay have been programmed in such a way
as to preserve the identity of theircreators for eternity. Perhaps the Grays carry
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the DNA of their creators and havebeen designed for space travel to find new
sources of DNA elsewhere in the universeto refresh the creator's cloning process. The
civilization that spawned their creators would onlyhave to go just a few steps further
than we are now in developing artificialintelligence and biotechnology. So what he's saying,
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also to follow that up, isthat they are slowly purposely implanted artificial
intelligence into the population to get usto merge with it so they can use
our bodies as soul containers. Nowthat sounds absolutely outrageous if you've never been
in youuthology before, but that's thepoint of it, is to merge us
unnaturally and then take us over completelyand make it more of a hive mind.
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Which if you get into neurallink andour phone and the Internet and the
blockchain and all these things, that'swhat's becoming. Once you have the Internet
in your brain. We are afucking hive mind. So are they creating
us slowly to join them? Wethink like we could catch up and tech
and maybe take them. They're sofar ahead of us, they don't give
a shit. They're just slowly maturingus. And maybe they're stopping all the
nuclear wars because they want to containus and take us over slily, because
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they want our emotions, they wantour souls. Wow. Now I was
not expect us from Josh. Hestarted out being like I'm not afraid,
and now it's like we're jumping intothe top side. Matt, don't worry,
I'm gonna don't. I don't believe, but I have. I don't
think this is real, but I'llgive you an example though, of like
a container. We do have abducteestalking about waking up on a ship.
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I remember that guy Robert Fullington fromExtraordinary the Seating talks about waking up in
a body in like a tube,a big tube full of liquid, and
he's like looking around and also inthe aliens, like oh my god,
oh my god, he shouldn't shoudn'tbe waking up, so like his physical
consciousness was put into an alien body. So maybe we are containers. Now
listen back to my catafopillar metaphor,like like again like this is taken from
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the lens, that it's bad,but like this might be what was supposed
to happen, like we have nocontrol over it, Like I don't know,
man, like if suddenly one ifyou get a neurolink though, and
you could think a thousand times fasterthan I could, how do I not
join? You know? Like howis it? Howld? Like what are
we scared of losing? What arewe scared of losing? I mean,
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were we scared of like shivering inthe night, being hungry? What are
we worried about? Just is itour human emotions that mostly like hurt us?
Like what are we really worried aboutas we form into this new thing
which is coming, we're merging withartificial intelligence. What part of humanity do
you really want to hold on to? Like what we what are we so
scared of? Like I don't getit, Like it's old sapiens anymore.
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We won't be Homo sapiens anymore,which is maybe a fault before they became
extinct. Would you join, Likethere's all those reports of like the grays
especially being that sort of the hivemind. Yeah, there's no individualism.
It's all just one hive mind.And they have basically all those what if
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you call them the robot grape creaturesout there doing their thing, but it's
all just one mind. Yeah,individually shuts down like there's nothing they say
that. But the thing is islike that's the short grays. So this
seems like the tall grays, theones that are controlling them, aren't.
And it seems like the insectoid mantisbeing is supposed to be high in the
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hierarchy isn't either. So it's almostlike this whole thing's built on the short
grays, which do seem robotic,but doesn't mean they're artificial they might be
artificial intelligence. I don't know.It seems doesn't seem like the other races
are so this kind of like you'resaying short people are destined for under five
to five You no, No,I don't think this is going to happen.
I think again, this is alienfeelporn seen through a certain lens.
(37:14):
And also like these people know theirufology but that they're missing so they like
they're cherry picking, right, youknow, they're not going into like the
transformational aspect. And I bringing upto Chris Bletsoe story, there's so many
like other parts to this that likeclearly it's something different and and I just
want to like piggyback on what LaCaski said on The Weaponi's podcast that he
said, like we have definitely worryabout something positive like these these people have
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worked on these programs are even sayingthis now, Like I just don't.
I don't believe this book. Ithink with more research they wouldn't have the
same opinion. But again, it'sreally well done and I'm not trying to
shoot out in any way, Likeit's smarter than I can write, and
way cool of a theory because hereally goes into a lot of stuff.
I don't know. I just thinkthe phenomenon is something different, and I
actually don't believe this at all.But it's a fun story and it definitely
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goes to alien field porn because itfeels good. Alien fiel porn is the
best. Man. I fall forit too. I love I love.
Like. One of my favorite moviesis Aliens. You know, it's just
shooting up fucking aliens on a ship. Man. It's awesome, great fun.
But I'm more of an a rivalcontact type type of guy now with
my films. I want like smartalien born, not like well, it's
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interesting that, like when I wasdiving into this stuff, the AI stuff,
it came across a bunch of differentpeople who actually worked with directly with
AI for the different companies right now, and they all they were all like,
listen, if you have like whatwe're doing with AI right now is
fairly boring, and if you're likeafraid that it might become sentient at some
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point, it's not happening anytime soon. Like that's that's not a thing.
It's just at the moment we're usingit to help ourselves. And they there
was some guy who was like oneof the big university guys who was,
you know, diving into AI stuff, and he was. They asked him
like, okay, worst case scenario, we've all heard it, we know
what it looks like. What doesbest case scenario look like? And he's
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like, oh, man, ifI was to like talk about the best
case scenario of using AI to helpthe world and help us out, like
you'd think, I was like insane, it would just be like a utopia,
Like it would be crazy. Sohe he was like talking about,
like, you know, best casescenario would be would be amazing. You
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wouldn't even be able to like comprehendhow like, you know, every problem
in our lives would be sold byAI, everything from like climate change to
health to all that sort of stuff. But you know, it depends on
the people behind it. Really,Like you can't. I think we were
talking about this today too, Josh, you can't sort of like the you
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know, America, I guess,as an example, can regulate put regulation
is on board for AI. Butstill, yeah, you know who's gonna
you know, what other countries aregoing to abide by that? You know,
yeah, well a little bit hopefullythey're not, you know, they're
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just yeah. I mean, Iknow it came out of the gate kind
of being like warning, warning,warning, but it's happening. It's happening,
you know, Like it's so like, how do we embrace it?
How do we how do we reallyhow do we transcend it? How do
we? Yeah, but how dowe how do we how do we not
(40:34):
just transcend it? But how dowe still remain human somehow, you know,
in the process and and define whatthat is in a way that can
lead the AI revolution in the rightdirection. Man, this is a really
serious podcast. We have not hadone dick joke. I mean maybe there
was like a little bit of likedick size, you know, but that
was it. I think I saidthe word once, which was fun.
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And we are so sorry. Weare so sorry. I don't know what
happened. This is a very seriousconversation obviously. I mean there's a lot
like we haven't mentioned obviously, Likethere's so much we could talk about,
Like, yeah, there's so manyamazing things that are happening. There's so
many like good things, Like there'sa I think there's a Netflix documentary called
(41:19):
Unknown Killer Robots. I don't knowif you've seen that. But this basically
goes into like AI stuff, andI was talking about, like one of
the specific stories I was looking atwas talking about like there's a company that
finds it's a scientific company in theUS. I believe they find molecules that
are going to be toxic to thehuman body, and then they find where
(41:44):
AI helps some find ways of combatingthat and trying to find new drugs that
will sort of you know, youknow, once antibiotics completely run their course
and become useless, we need tofind a new way of like healing ourselves.
So this is one of the thingsthat these guys are doing and trying
to find new drugs and new waysof combating the stuff. But he said,
(42:07):
a Swiss organization that works to protectpeople from nuclear, biological and chemical
threats asked his company whether the AItechnology they used for drug discovery could be
misused, and this is part ofthe show. He said. The findings
were shocking. He said they flippedthe switch on one of the models that
(42:30):
they were working on, so insteadof making molecules that were not toxic and
would combat toxins within the human body, now it made very toxic molecules.
And it said within six hours,the computer came up with designs for forty
thousand different highly toxic molecules similar tooh great and yeah, so basically biological
(42:52):
weapons basically, And he said,obviously they wouldn't do it, and there's
protocols in place where their comey andwithin the country itself already to combat that
and not go into that. Buthe was pretty disturbed, and I guess
the US government after they released thisactually came in and we're like, uh,
(43:13):
what are you guys doing? Whatthe fuck are you doing? Can
we see what's going on here?Regulated just like nuclear weapons, just like
on the other threat. There's away out of this. It doesn't have
to doesn't just like the aliens,just like regulate the aliens too. The
one thing that he ended on,which was kind of a little scary,
was he said, the reality isnow anyone could go off and do what
(43:36):
we did. Others could try toreplicate it if they had haven't already.
He noted, so, I thinkin some ways Pandora's box has been opened,
and take your fear for people andlove it. Yeah. So again,
it just depends on the people behindit. It's not the I as
(43:59):
it is, right, now isspecifically like a sentient being now in a
machine. It still relies very muchon the input, but it's able to
think through things, but it doesn'thave any empathy or scruples or you know,
whatever it takes to get to thatgoal. Unless you program it in,
(44:19):
it'll take those steps the easiest most, you know, a direct line
of getting to that goal. Soyeah, I don't know, Oh,
I don't know. I mean,it's just I think that there's one consistent
issue with dealing with something that couldhelp us, right, And I know,
I'll keep trying to drop aliens intothis conversation because I just think it's
(44:42):
really interesting. I think that there'sthere's also this concept of you know,
aliens are here to help us,and I think some are and some aren't,
right, I think that that's fairto say. I think it's my
opinion. And you know, withthat, it all it relies on how
the human that's having an experience,whether they're dealing with an AI, they're
programming, or they're dealing with anunknown otherworldly situation. It has to do
(45:09):
with how the human reacts to thesituation, right, how the human is
in putting into the field or intothis AI AI program. And I guess
what I'm saying is not to warnpeople of things that might be bad out
there, but that the warning isreally like, how do we want to
(45:29):
continue as being human? Right?You know, whether you're dealing with unknown
forces or you're dealing with AI thatyou're inputting. And I think that that's
that's the message, really and whatdoes that mean? And I don't know
if we figured that out, andI don't know if we will figure that
out. Maybe we'll figure that outby making a lot of different programs of
(45:50):
which are not good for us.Yeah, exactly what it's like with any
technology. It can be used forlike great things. It could be used
for like terrible things. It justdepends on the posma. I just wanted
to I just wanted to bring thisup. Sorry, there's did you know
there's a couple of AI cryptids alreadygetting around the Internet's AI cryptids Like it's
(46:15):
only online. That's fine, prettyfun. There's there's the woman AI generated
image that keeps popping up called Lobe. Have you heard that? L O
A B No. It was justa fun story about it probably doesn't mean
anything, but it's like I've beenplaying a lot with the AI generated imagery
(46:36):
stuff recently, just because it's itcomes up with some crazy visuals. But
there was one where they tried toyou can do like you can put in
a prompt for a visual and say, combine all these things and see what
happens, but you can also say, I want the exact opposite of this
(46:58):
stuff. And so I forget whatthe prompt was for this, but there
was like it was basically just openingup the whole AI system to create an
image based on the opposite of anidea. So they I think they typed
in. They were trying to comeup with a lot the opposite of a
(47:19):
logo, so very sort of linear, sort of low. You know,
you've seen logos before for every fuckingcompany, and I was trying to find
the opposite of that, and Ithink they used the word Marlon Brando in
there at some point, which wasstrange anyway. So every time they were
trying to find the opposite of somerandom thing involving a logo, it would
come up with this lady called loeblab Lobe and she would just be this
(47:46):
horrific fucking image of this really creepylobe lady who was like made up of
like wounds and bleeding postural, fuckingfleshy pieces. Here, I'm gonna send
you some images. That makes sense. So because that's like a metaphor for
the logo, you should project strength, unity, cohesion, and that's like
(48:07):
the opposite, you know, it'sbeautiful, that's like the opposite of anything
that would make you trust it totally. So like from an metaphor standpoint,
I get why I did that.Yeah, yeah, I don't know if
I directly worked with metaphor, butyeah, it's like the opposite of like
a graph, like a graphic logo. Like I said, sharp lines of
stuff is like a fleshy human.I guess if you wanted to look at
(48:30):
it that way. It just sentyou guys a link. But it's like
the creepiest fucking imagery ever. Soshe's one, and so she just kept
popping up and it was just itwas weird. It was like becoming like
creepy. How she would keep indifferent scenarios, different positions. She would
be popping up within somewhere within theimage, and it really fucked up.
(48:52):
Yeah kind of. Yeah, it'slike they created this thing. It's I
don't want to I'm not even clickingon it. I don't know. But
the other that's someone bloody married bloodyMary period. The other one that someone
created was a guy called Guy Kellywho created a cryptid monster only found within
the AI systems called Crungus. Crunguswas some sort of demonic figure. That's
(49:16):
uh. It keeps again, itkeeps popping up in these different scenarios where
it like shouldn't do like it's likenot like you're saying, like, hey,
show me images of fleshy women orwhatever. It just keeps popping up.
And then they used different AI systemsand the same image of this woman
kept popping up in the same thing. Anyway he encryptids put it in.
(49:40):
Yeah, all right, Well,I don't know. I just think it's
all really interesting. I think nobodyknows how to feel about it. I
think it's like it's like maybe whenthe alien conversation hit hit the ground in
the fifties, no one was talkingabout it really to this extent, and
then sixties maybe people got a littlebit more opinionated. There's a lot of
(50:00):
opinions out there, but I feellike it's just so it's just so new,
and it just seems, you know. I don't know. I just
feel like this is going to bea bigger conversation once people start really trusting
only the AI device and not otherhumans, and I think there'll be a
different conversation. And I think thatit does tie to the idea of the
(50:22):
unknown, the concept of dealing withsomething unknown, because in a way,
we are asking something to be ableto function higher than we are and come
up with something that is unknown tous. Right, They're using AI to
decipher codes and symbols from the ancienttimes that they've never been able to do
(50:44):
before, and that that just cameout like a couple of weeks ago when
they were able to decipher a languageand said purpose, Right, So that's
cool, it's awesome, It's verycool. So I just think that we're
at a precipice of something really huge, and I just I think it's really
really important to go back to thebasics at all times to kind of figure
out again what it means to behuman and all of it. And I
(51:06):
don't know, I just want tobring that out to everybody's attention in this
podcast, that that was really interesting. And I apologize not many dick jokes
you know next next one will beso control that you'll just have to like
lock your car doors and you canbe the only one listening to it,
because if your kids ever hear whatwe're saying in the next podcast, I'm
so sorry my dad. Anyway,have a good night and we will talk
(51:31):
to you soon. Goodbye.
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