Alien Chaos: Jellyfish & The Battle for Miami

Some crazy new developments going on in the world of aliens, but how much of it can we take seriously?

We start off with what the hell went down at that Miami mall… Was it really 10 foot tall shadow people or just TikTok trolls hungry for clicks?

Then we break down the new documentary series by TMZ and Jeremy Corbell — new footage and some polarizing views…

Want to know more? Then pour yourself something strong and join us, for an all new Cosmic Cantina!

https://www.thecosmiccantina.com
https://www.newsweek.com/miami-mall-creature-video-goes-viral-1858078
https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution

#ufo #uap #ufotwitter #jellyfish #tubi

Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantina, somecrazy new developments in the world of aliens,
but how much of it can wetake seriously? We start off with
what the hell and down at theMiami Mall, was it really ten foot
tall? Shadow? People are justTikTok trolls looking for some clicks. Then
we break down the new documentary seriesby TMZ and Jeremy Corbel, new footage

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in some polarizing views. Want toknow more, Pour yourself something strong and
join us for an all new CosmicCantina. I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,
and every week I go to myfavorite bar, Cosmic Cantina, and
kickback with my co hosts, JoshGolumbuski and Matt O'Connor. We talk about
aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancientcultures, and anything from the unseen world

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that needs a little illumination. Welcometo Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host,
Melissa Tittle, and tonight I'm drinkingsome hot tea sixy. It's gonna be
a good show. Hot tea.Did you did you have a big night
again last night? What's what's goingon? Well, I was in Cabo
for seven days, so I justtouch tequila for a while. I need

(01:12):
a break, you know, Ineed a couple of days, Just a
couple of days. You know whatI'm saying. Cabo must be nice.
It's a negative ten here in Colorado. I need all the warm liquid or
cold liquid that makes me feel warm. I don't know what I'm saying anymore.
I wish I could back this upand start again. But here I
am tonight, I'm drinking red wine. It's January, it's barely cold.

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I'm right now a little bitter andwish I was out of tropical beach.
So I'll just wait until March tillI go somewhere like Mexico with my family.
What are you thinking about? Look, I someone someone gave us these
little shitty little gym bean bottles thatare like flavid and I just had an
apple one and it is truly themost vile thing I've ever put in my

(01:53):
mouth. And I'll put some prettyfald things in my mouth full. Let
me tell y'all, I'm gonna poweron through. I mean, I could
just not drink it, obviously,but you know it's speful. Yeah,
went and wrong? Negative ten?You know, Apple jim bean, yummy
apple gin drinks boots with the anyway, let's go wow, nasty things in

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your mouth. Okay, let's startthis show. We got to talk about
the shadow people. Come on,Miami Shadow Creatures hooks are real. Yes,
I've been getting text messages and peoplemessage of me saying, what do
you think? Is it a coverup? What's happening? You know me?
I like to talk about all thesides because there's always a reason for

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something, right. So we're definitelygoing to break down the Miami Mall situation.
So I think I know where bothof you stand, and I'm taking
a neutral stance, but I'm goingto comment on some things. But I'm

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pretty sure josh Is is a believerand Matt you think it's a pile of
shit? Am I right? Idon't know if I don't know if it's
a believer, but I'm finally open. At first, I was like,
no way, there's nowhere, Comeon, come on, even after last
year aliens landa in someone's backyard andthey're messing with people in the jungle and
Peru and the Nasca mummies, there'sno way aliens would land at a wall.

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And I was like, this iscrazy. But then things have turned,
people, Things have turned, andI got some good stuff. Matt
tried to shut me down before thepodcast even started, and he couldn't.
He sent me some bullshit video doesn'teven relate to anything I have. I
can't wait. This is gonna begreat to mam what maul alien invasion has
legs? People? I thought itwas BS two, But I'm gonna hit
you with some stuff and you're gonnabe like, what is that real?
What? Anyways, It's gonna beawesome. I got so fired up at

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four o'clock today when I really wentdeep in this. I didn't get this
any thought. And then today Iwas like, holy cow, I didn't
realize there was this many videos abouthim, people talking about it, and
the lack of evidence about it.There's a lot going on here, folks,
and I can't wait to share itwith you. Awesome, all right,
I'm excited. All right. Sothe evidence in the middle that has
been presented is basically tons. Imean, I don't even know how many

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cop cars, but tons of copcars flooded the streets around the Bayside Mall
in Miami. Shut it down.Apparently they were they were on a call
because a couple of teenagers got ina fight. There's some fireworks, but
everybody's calling that's bs like they thereliterally was the whole police Department of Miami

(04:26):
was there for this fireworks going offin the mall in this huge fight.
I read that it was about fiftyteenagers that were in a fight, and
so that was the concern. Butthen there was these strange videos which looked
like shadow beans or creatures eight toten feet tall. When all over the
internet what you saw videos of them? Yeah, I mean, well people

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like the zoom in and they likethey're like outside the mall, like people
are filming, like what are allthese cop cars doing here? And then
they have kind of these you know, I don't know what they are,
you know, could it be somethingon a lens? Could it be something
them? Yeah, yeah, exactlyYeah. And then people posted it's not
a it's not a fight at themall. It's not fire what's going off.

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It's actually people shooting at eight toten feet creatures. Okay, maybe
that's happening, maybe not so so. The what happens next is a bunch
of people hit TikTok, Twitter,everybody's out there posting videos this stuff and
analyzing, and then of course itcould shut down. People say they just
made it up and it was ahoax. But what I want to bring

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to your attention is it's it's January. First. Some of the reasons people
think that this might have happened,right, like the people that are saying
some kind of hoax took over theinternet. I'm not saying I believe this.
I'm just saying this is Some ofthe reasons is that this is the
Jeffrey Epstein papers are coming out,right, So what better way to hide

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the release of the names than tothan to create the situation that takes over
the whole Internet, basically talking worldwide. Also, new laws were instated into
the United States that I don't thinkanybody read that story. Everybody was worried
about if there was shadow beans atthe mall, and not that there's anything

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like I mean I was reading.I was going through the laws that went
into effect January. First. Wehave things that are pretty touchy gender affirming
care laws, which there's a lotof people upset about that. There's also
abortion rights that the different states thatbanded versus the different states trying to protect
it. Minimage wage increase. Nownone of that is sexy compared to the

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creatures at the mall, which Iwould agree, But now I'm going to
take a neutral stance on this becausewhat if they really are shadow beings?
And then the other stance is whatif what if this really happened and people
are being told to shut up,that there was really something strange that happened
at the mall, and that we'retold, you know, it's so crazy

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that everyone's like, oh my god, it's completely made up. And I
wanted to bring up one of mynerdy articles that I always do and just
some backstory on shadow people. Now, shadow people are right, I mean
shadow people. We've been talking aboutshadow people. We've talked about the hat

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Man, We've talked about the theyou know, different kinds of shadow people.
We've done podcasts about that. Like, the idea of shadow people is
not a new thing. But Ifound this article in Psychology Today that was
published in twenty thirteen, and it'son shadow people, which I thought was
interesting that it's in Psychology Today.So the writer interviews this woman named Rosemary
Ellen Gully, who had at thispoint in twenty thirteen, had started her

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research in the early eighties, andshe was specifically focused on people that had
attacks from shadow beings or people thatshe's a great researcher. Yeah, she's
a great researcher. So she thiswoman and was like, why with the
people on the Western group of peopledon't understand the Gin, And she said,

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it's actually hurting our understanding of thisother world that's interacting with us.
So here's what she has to say. The shadow people, dark menacin are
dark menacing humanoids. And she's beenresearching for this for a while. I
discovered that many shadow people experiencers arealso ET experiencers, especially abductees. Through

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a long process, I conclude thatshadow people are shape shifted from forms taken
by the GIN. Therefore, thereis a profound connection between GIN and bad
hauntings and ET abductions. She alsoconnects them to the mythologies of ancient aliens
and gods and bigfoot. You know, all of these are she thinks are

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sort of connected. She said thatthe Native Americans knew these shadow people.
Different tribes have different names for them, but most of the folklore that we
have over here is taken from Europe, so it's not necessarily that word doesn't
really translate except for people who doa lot of research, that these these

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beans come from this origin. Shesays, in early Arabian lore, the
Gin originated out of the winds.The Quran says they were created by Allah
out of smokeless fire, and theangels out of pure spiritual light. We
perceive angels, gin, fairies,demons, ets, and even Bigfoot as
having human like hierarchies and social structures, even though she's not sure if that's
just a human projection. In Ginlore, they could not duplicate one hundred

(09:41):
percent of a human body, andusually they would try to cover parts of
themselves with hats or structures around them. They have weird shaped eyes. They
come across as a reptilian in appearance. I believe the Gin and other shape
shifters are among us every day,and we never know unless we have certain

(10:01):
experiences with them. She says thataccording to lore, and she's like,
this is something that Americans or NorthAmerican or South American people really need to
understand, because it's not in theirunderstanding of their folklore was that the Gin
were here first and were pushed outby us, and some of them are

(10:22):
still angry about it, and theywant their place back, and their motives
include trickiness, hostility, and manevolence. The Gin have a long stand,
deeply embedded in hidden presence among us, far greater than I anticipated when I
started this research in the early eighties. She's like, this is just the

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beginning, and that was in twentythirteen. Now, what's really interesting about
where the Bayside Mall is and thatwhole location of Miami is that Miami is
a very sacred location for Native Americantribes over ten thousand years. So so

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yeah, it's what I'm not sayinganything, But what I'm saying is that
this idea of shadow beings is along history, not by necessarily most people
that are observant walking around, becausewe don't talk about this stuff. It's
it's it's related for people doing researchand for people understanding different names for stuff.

(11:24):
Right. But she says that thebut that the reason that we don't
understand is that we let them takeup too much space. And I'm just
thinking that, like the mall ison a on a and that area just
Miami, the main part of Miamiwhere the mall sits is a very sacred
area to Native Americans and if anybodyknows about shadow people, they would and

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so here you have. If anythingwas going to happen, why would they
show up at that mall? Sothat would be my question if this is
really real, why would they pickthat location? They had to go get
something at the mall? Like whythere? I have a good argument for
that, because that's the first thingpeople throw in your face about this,
like come on, like they wouldn'tdo it that way, And I was
like, yeah, just like theydidn't land in someone's backyard in Vegas,

(12:09):
just like they are not in theprovan jungle flying around indigenous people. Just
like they just show up all overthe place, Like I don't know,
like maybe the way they look atour life, malls are important to humans,
maybe we go there, But Idon't think it's that simple. For
the information I uncovered, it hasnothing to do with them showing up for
just because they want to say hilike that that seems ludicrous. But something
may have happened and maybe you know, like these shadow people are they from

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like a shadow biodome that coexists withus. Is there a way to let
them enter our world? And canthey come fully? Three D when I
get into my stuff, I'll explaina story I didn't know it was out
there about the Miami incident. Itkind of blew my mind and it's pretty
compelling. Did it come from TikTok? It's a double hype? Now it's
a double hype? Is it aTikTok video? Is that where you got

(12:52):
to jomph? Just checking tiktoks toship man? You know, my hips
have never been better because of TikTok, Matt O'Connor. TikTok is the true
with bro You don't even know hips? Yeah? I do. All this
hip mobility you type in like myTikTok feed is like forty year old comedians
and like guys in their forties workingon hip mobility because my hips don't work
the same for me. How dareyou don't lie? I just want to

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say too, that's a really goodbook, That Gin book by Rose Mayland
Guiy I lent it to you,Josh. What did you do with it?
By the way, I want thatback? Did you get back to
me? I'll have to look.I don't which we can talk about this
after the show, but I thinkit's if it's anywhere, it's in my
office. Yeah, I read it. It's really cool. The different colors
in Gin, what they meant andlike to explained everything. It jump from

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like this explains missing four and one, This explains aliens, This explain explained
everything. Yeah, there's people thatsay that it's old Gin. Everything we're
experiencing is old into dimensional Gin.Yeah. Cool book. That book really
creates me out, actually because passagethem saying like, the more you think
about it, the more likely theyhad to contact you. And I was
like, think about something else.Baseball, baseball on a cold day.

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What's happening? What are we talkingabout? Yeah, that's fun. Yeah
exactly. I know. I justthought that was interesting because you know,
why, if this is true,why why there so I don't know.
I just I thought that was alittle backstory on what we are kind of
not connected to here in North America. And uh, I'll just leave it

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with that. And all right,so you let's go into your new evidence,
first person evidence. There's a coupleof videos I'm going to set up
that maybe anyone who's looked into thismay have seen first. And I would
say those these four videos I cameacross that I need to do more research
on who these people are, andI would say at least two of them
are definitely not real. The reasonwhy because it just seemed you know what

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I mean, because it just seemslike something I would do, like at
some point in my life. Butthere was one that stood out to me
that made the whole thing more legitimatebecause I came across this woman who was
a crypto influencer and she's kind oflike this super all right leaning say what
she wants to get kicked off Platform'slady, and she happened to be dragging
by the mall and like I've neverheard her when I used to have a
crypto Twitter account, And I meanit would you say she's hungry for relevance

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right now? Is that what you'resaying? Oh? Maybe maybe it was.
Sorry, Matt doesn't believe anything.Here's where I'm going to start with
this. Ready, there's a coupleof things that are really strange about this
whole case. So there's one shotof this video where it could be aliens,
but it's probably not. But where'sall the footage of the teen's fight.
Where's any footage like I've seen?If you look up clips of this

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stuff it's hard to find anything fromthat day besides the alien footage. Oh,
I have so much footage for you. There's footage, a lot of
footage from outside with the police racket, but inside the mall there's like unconfirmed
footage of kids hitting each other.There's there's no real fireworks footage I could
find. And what's that explosion thatsomebody said it was a portal? It

(15:52):
looked like an explosion. I gotsomeone the total explosion. Yeah, so
the video, I'm just gonna stopas you talk. I'm just gonna stop
sending you footage, Okaye going No, I'm gonna I'm gonna look at it
as you do it, because thelast thing you sent me was not even
had nothing to do with anything Iwas going to talk about. So again,

(16:14):
mask angle on this is he doesn'tbelieve it at all. I'm not
saying I believe it. I'm justsaying I came across some stuff today that
made me actually want to research it, because at first I was like,
get the fuck out of here,there's no way that fucking happened. But
this is fun and these people areeither all lying separately for like, you
know, to get clicks or they'retrying to say something. So there was
also that night a h I'll getto it. Okay. So the first

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video a lot of people have seencame from an account of TikTok, where
it could easily be faked. Aguy claims his dad is a police officer
and running for sheriff. He talksto him and his dad's on the phone
and will not talk about the incidentand will not bring it up, will
not talk about even though his dad'srunning for sheriff and would know he was
told not to talk about it.It doesn't mean anything, right, could
be it could be a total joke. Okay. The video too and why

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I got interested cause at first Iwas like whatever that could be faked easily?
Was this lady I came across,so I was like, why is
she talking about the alien? She'slike nothing, So she goes, okay,
I was driving by. I wasin Miami, driving by the mall.
She's from England and she saw hundredsof cops. Car sirens were deafening.
She goes, I've never seen aresponse like this in my entire life.
I've been in Miami for three years. I felt like there was a

(17:19):
terrorist attack and I was horrified andI didn't know what was going on.
So she kind of gets out ofher car, and so I was talking
to several people, and this iswhat she's claiming. A couple of people
said. One person immediately was like, I was terrified. There was a
creature that was over seven feet tallwalking around, and I got out of
there. She talked to another personwho said she saw it was something out
of a movie, like an eightiesaction movie, something straight out of a

(17:41):
Spielberg's movie, This tall, bigass walking around. She takes out her
phone and she's running over and shenotices the police are everywhere, and the
police are actively telling people not tobe filmed. They took her phone from
her and made sure she didn't filmanything and deleted it. She started to
film, but she anything good.She just started a film. So she

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gets terrified. She gets in thecar. This helicopter's everywhere, there's spotlights
all on the ground. She froma distance saw something that she didn't look
right. She's not gonna say it'san alien, but she's like, it
just looked really weird or freaked meout. I had the worst feeling,
and I got the and I wantedto get the hell out of there.
She ends up video by saying thisis weird to heart to relate to Melissa
is that she thought, like,what is this? This is like a

(18:22):
distraction. Whatever's happening. Maybe it'salien or maybe it's something else happening,
because it feels too big and toosudden. So video three, this is
the guy, actually, Matt,I thought you sent me who was lying,
But I just went on his TikTokpage and I couldn't. I haven't
found anything where he says he's lyingor anyone's calling him out. This guy
is he has a bunch of UFIrelated things already on his TikTok. I

(18:48):
don't know. There was another guywho was also said some was talking trash
as far as I'm concerned, andpeople noted that, oh yeah, this
guy does a bunch of like UFOstuff, so of course he wants to
jump on the bandwig but going Idon't know if it's that guy. I'm
just saying. So this guy claimedhe witnessed the teens fighting in the mall

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and weapons came out, not guns, I don't think he was saying.
And then the mall basically made everyonerush out because the police were showing up
and there was a mad rush toget out. And that's when he was
claiming he saw these giant shadowy beingsin the distance where the whole the shadow
thing came from. Said he madethe hair stand up on his neck,
and he wanted to get the wordout. This guy fifty to fifty he's
lying now. Video four is thegrand finale. This guy is my hero,

(19:36):
whether he's lying or not, buthe tells the whole story and it's
awesome. So this guy's video,I can't find his handle, but I'll
share everyone else's handle. And heis a graffiti artist who flew into Miami
for a graffiti expo that was inand around the mall, and he was
there when the commotion happened. That'swhat he's claiming. So he saw a
bunch of teens running around. Therewas teens, but he said they were

(19:57):
dressed nice. He goes, itwas weird they backpacks on, and he
noticed that a couple of them hadlike welding glasses on. He thought that
was weird. I didn't know ifit was like a new uh, a
new like fad where these kids arewearing yeah on fireworks. I would probably
put on welding glasses too. That'swhat exactly, That's where I thought he
was going. So he's a graffitiartist. He takes out a pen and

(20:18):
paper and he does like a reallycrude drawing. Nothing that he's trying to
sell. So I was like,I thought he was trying to sell pictures.
At first, I was like,no way, get this guy out
of here. So he goes.Now what he said is him and several
other people did witness what he's aboutto say, and they were filming it.
He was not filming it, whichis convenient. So these kids have
a box with him. They havethis weird box that he didn't notice at

(20:40):
first seemed like a radio, butthen he noticed they were like they were
hanging out near like where you couldplug stuff in, and the kids plugged
in the box. This was thisguy's claiming. The lights in the mall
started to flicker, and then thebox glue it glue. It started glowing
and a wavy distortion started coming outof it, and like this wavy,
weird ass kind of portal thing upand it kind of clouds the kids that
are around the portal and everyone aroundit. Starts to panic. They're like,

(21:03):
what the hell is going on?Then what looked like a giant leg
or a part of a body startedto emerge from this thing. He's drawing
it while he's talking, and itwas wavy and distorted and it was hard
to make out an entire body,but he felt like he saw a leg
and it just seemed really really big, and it was coming out. People
started screaming, they started running.He heard gunshots and the opposite direction from
where he was standing at the areaof this quote unquote portal, and he

(21:26):
bounced out of there, that guy, and that was the end of his
video, this graffiti artist who happenedto be there for Greedy Expo. So
one other thing I want to pointout, those are the four videos.
One of the thing about the cryptolady she also said was the power went
out in and around that area whenlike when she was sitting there in her
car, just the power went outeverywhere, and she's like, there's no
way fireworks would have done that.So these four people, I gotta do

(21:51):
more research. They're not the oneyou sent me, Matt, the one
you sent me someone totally different.Video three I think is like a new
ag type dude who could have beenlying, but his story was like the
least fun like. He was like, I was rushed out of there.
I saw giant things and it wascrazy, you know, That's all I
said. It wasn't that good.Crypto lady seemed was convinced me. She
convinced me. She was like,I just didn't feel like she was making

(22:11):
that up. And then but I'mgonna have to look it up because it
could be. The next video onher feet is like, by the way,
I was just joking with you,you know, but she seemed she
seems so animated. You know,you tell when someone saw something and they're
just like, oh my god,oh my god. I got that vibe
from her, and I got thevibe from and the rest of them.
I'm like, I don't know,Like, honestly, she's she's more believable
than they are. They all couldbe lying. They could not. There's

(22:34):
just a weird vibe to this wholething, with the timing, the videos,
the lack of overall evidence, theconfusion. The cops wouldn't talk about
it. It was firecrackers. Itdoesn't make sense to have that large of
a presence that being said, it'dbe really hard to keep that quiet with
all the police involved, all thepeople involved. So I'm still leaning towards

(22:55):
this is bullshit, but there's moreto it than people realize. Okay,
well, the thing with the blackbox, that is, I've not heard
of that that is really interesting.I mean, it could be complete bullshit.
However, I have heard from severalpeople, like there's many healing modalities
out there. There's lots of youknow, like we talked about this in
the pod, Like I don't knowa couple of years ago, where I

(23:17):
had like a staff and it hookedup to like electromagnetic thing and then it
gives off a frequency. Right.A lot of people are selling this device
that's a black box, and peopleput the black box in their home and
it's supposed to give off this frequency. Now I have heard from three different
people from around the world that Iknow that have bought these black boxes and

(23:41):
have have had instances where they seeshadow beans in their room, like or
they're woken by shadow beans. Uh. And I didn't think anything of it
until you came up with the story. The story when you're saying that this
this is what this guy's testimony wasand I was like, that is so
weird because I've had these three peoplethat have bought this black box on the

(24:03):
market specifically for healing, and youjust let it go at night. But
these people were having nightmares and they'reseeing shadow beans and they immediately returned and
said, and one woman told me, you know, she's like a homeopathy
she's not a healer. She's intodifferent healing modalities to help her patients,
right, but she's definitely dabbled inthe spaces that are not like so in

(24:30):
the mainstream box. Right. Shesaid to me that the crazy thing was
when she tried to return to thebox of the guy who sold it to
her, he's like he asked herif if she saw the shadow beans,
and she said, yeah, that'swhy I'm returning it. I don't know
what this thing is, but Idon't feel like it's for healing. And
she's like, the crazy thing washe laughed, and she's like, I

(24:52):
don't know. I'm done with usingany of these electromagnetic devices unless I know
exactly where they come from. Butbut I don't know. I just thought
that was I don't know what thatmeans or what that correlation is. If
this guy's story is true or not. But but that is that is a
device that people are selling out throughthis black box that helps you apparently heal

(25:14):
overnight. But people are seeing shadowbeings, so it's not that kind of
crazy. So these kids like soupedone up and put it. Let's put
it on at the mall and seewhat happens. See what happens? Man,
Yeah, that's something I would doif I was young, dumb and
full of com Sure, that's that'sa quote from the movie. What's that
from? It's from Aliens? Ithink I forget where it's from. Uh,

(25:34):
yeah, it's a it's an oldone. It's from the new Cosmic
canteena movie that's coming out. Isthat Is that what you're saying? That's
what the title of the movie iscalled. Yeah, and it's got very
little to do with Aliens. It'sjust oh god, okay, right now,
confirm. Wow, she knows soshe's not backing off what she said.

(25:56):
Did She also try and convince peopleto buy a bunch of dodgy fucking
crypto coins and then pump and dump. Oh yeah, she's super into that
world. Yeah, yeah, Iget them out. I just sent you
a handful of different links to allthe fights. You'll see the fireworks go

(26:17):
off in some of them. You'llsee kids fighting and shit. Yeah,
I like that's actual evidence. I'mnot seeing anything of. There's no videos
of, Like people kept saying,there's no videos, where's the video as
well? They're all I just sentyou a bunch of them. People were
saying, oh, they shut downthe airspace over that area. No,

(26:37):
they didn't, And then they weresaying I think that first one I say
in Josh was the original guy whowas like, who's what it was?
Ten foot aliens, shadow beings camein, just made up this wild fucking
story, and then everything sort ofstemmed from that. Everyone just kind of
built on top of that. Andthen he came out and said, actually
I had never been to Miami.It's like, but the stories kept going.

(27:02):
It just by that point it justkept brawling, like that is happening,
right, And then we have theother thing that that was released.
You know, Epstein's the actual nameson Epstein's yacht plane. Yeah, island.
But I would argue that that wholething was I don't know what happened
with that, And someone said thatthat it was actually that whole list was
around a while ago too. There'snothing. There wasn't a whole lot new

(27:26):
and what they released well because theyblocked most of it out. So yeah,
because yeah, I've seen some ofthese clips. The argument is there's
just not a lot, you know, like for such a huge presence everything
that went down, like just nota lot. Yeah, And that's the
same that's the same reason why peopledidn't get any video of ten foot toll

(27:47):
shadow beings as well. We wereall just running away in and shock and
yeah, that's what happened. Soit started off with kids throwing fireworks at
each other and then went into abrawl. And you gotta think to this,
there was a whole bunch of duringthe holiday period, there was a
whole bunch of homeland security warnings aboutlike terrorist threats and stuff. That's true.
Yeah, and then so and thenpeople in this Miami area were actually

(28:12):
saying like they will respond like motherfuckersto any little thing, and they will
turn up in force. So theythought there was a mass shooting going on
from all the people saying there's explosions, there's shit goinger. They thought it
was like terrorists or like a massshooting or something going on. So that's
why they like shut off a bunchof streets around the place. It just
you know, showed up in force. And you know, obviously there's people

(28:37):
who were saying, like there wereshop owners and stuff who were filming the
kids. One of those videos.I say, it was like a shop
owner who was like filming it.Didn't mention anything about aliens or anything like
that. I feel like it wasjust someone who just jumped in and just
went, oh, this will befun for a laugh, and then it
just kind of snowballed from that person, like what a weird thing to fucking

(28:57):
make up obviously, like shadow beingsand portals and shit, and like it's
just this kind of shit is youcould argue that, you know that maybe
it was a big hoax, butI don't know if it was that like
that big in the news apart frompeople who were following alien sort of stuff

(29:18):
who follow that hashtag because I askeda seeing people be interested in the Epstein
papers, Yeah, probably conspiracy,aliens, all that sort of stuff.
Yeah, I would imagine, Yeah, that makes sense, but you know,
it all stems from TikTok, whichis I don't know, Yeah,

(29:41):
it's an interesting way to start.Yeah, that makes sense, could be
whatever, but you know, Ijust there's nothing going on. Like,
all I've seen is just hype frompeople talking about it on on TikTok and
you know, nothing of actual substance. It's just all a big distraction.
You could just call it that,a big distraction people trying to get TikTok

(30:03):
clicks. You know that guy's thatguy that was trolling people to begin with.
His his TikTok just fucking blew up, and then he had to shut
down comments on the that video andthen comments on the video. He released
the video afterwards because he was gettingso much fucking people, just like shutting
down his TikTok page basically, andhe's like, all right, it was

(30:26):
a joke. Sorry, it wasa joke. Yeah. So there is
one video I found. Yeah,nothing you sent me, honestly, was
anything I hadn't seen before. Thosewere just like the clips everyone saw.
I just found a master veillance videofrom inside the mall when they when it
broke out. It's just one angle. Oh, it shows people running from
gunshots, but obviously it doesn't showand people get people get showing that that

(30:51):
video from outside where there was abunch of blurred out stuff and they were
like, there you see it.It's in front of the building and it's
like just someone walking there and theywere like, look at tall it is.
But there was people walking right infront of it who weren't taking any
notice of whatever was walking at.If you think that's bad, you should
have checked out the latest one outof Brazil. I don't know if you
guys followed that one. It waslike, oh did you see Maybe you

(31:11):
guys even send it to me.It was like these two people on a
hill in Brazil and everyone's like hisgiant alien, so they look super tallah.
Yeah. Yeah, it's like thatone is ridiculous. That's literally literally
one has a hat on and theother guy has his hand on his hip.
It's like sassy alien. It endedup being two basketball players. I
don't even know there was tall people. It was basketball players. They did

(31:32):
look tall, but it was justa little bit of like force perspective or
whatever. But it wasn't like freakytoo. Yeah. No, no.
The video for Coming out of Miamiis not good, but it's also not
terrible. And it's one of thosethings when I first saw it, I
was like, no way, Butonce I started hearing other people talk about
it, I'm like, I don'tknow, man, it might have some
legs. Like here's the deal theshow show me any of those videos that
show anything remotely spectacular, Like it'sit's just people walking around on police like,

(31:59):
none of that with anything. ILike, here's the thing, Like,
sorry, Melissa, I just thisis such like I think this kind
of shit just hurts the whole movementso badly when people jump on this ship
and it's just so detrimental. It'sjust like anyone who could possibly think that
maybe uf UFO s u APS isan interesting topic, now it's just like,

(32:22):
all right, them out fuck thesepeople, you know, right right?
I think the opposite. Actually,I think that's something that people say
and it sounds right, but inreality, anecdotally, all it's done is
cause mass excitement from a lot ofpeople texting people, indirectly causing the public
to just want to know more andmore and more. It only brings more

(32:44):
people into the subject matter. Ithink most people are discerning. I don't
think really smart people who would potentiallybe in this or not in this would
base it off of one stupid Miamiincident, you know, like they would
they would then they're not that smartat to begin with, because they'd still
be interested by the overwhelming actual goodevidence. I think all this stuff helps
at the nest mummies, the Vegaslanding in the backyard like that. I

(33:06):
think it all has only caused itto go to a fever pitch. There
was an article that just came outmaybe you guys sent it to me.
Whereas now UFO, the UFO businessis big business now, you know,
there's a lot of people involved,a lot of attention into it, more
and more people being getting into it, and I think all this stuff just
snowballs and maybe it turns off acouple Camardi getting scientists, but I think
the people who are smart know whatthey're doing. They wouldn't let that stop

(33:28):
them. Yeah, I mean,but this was such an obvious foss that
there's still people who were like,oh no, it's fucking legit. Bro
that I'm just like, I wouldn'tbet anything on it, but certainly so,
I definitely think that it's it's causingmore infiltration of our consciousness. You
know, like like about ten yearsago, they started making like a pluth

(33:52):
Row of alien movies, and peopleare like, do you think they're trying
to get us ready? You knowten years ago. I don't know if
they're getting this ready, But there'sdefinitely a lot more in our consciousness,
whether you believe or not. However, there is a point to what Matt
is saying, is that if allof this hooplab about the woman with the

(34:13):
person on the plane that's fake,and the and the you know, we
don't know if that's real, orthe Miami thing, you know, something
real really does happen, and everyone'slike it's fake, right, And then
you have a bunch of people onTikTok saying it's just fake. And so
there's a little bit of cry wolfthere, but I do. But also
you're right in a sense that thereis so much happening that it's becoming part

(34:34):
of our consciousness that even if you'renot into it, you will have heard
of it, and and it's somethingthat you know is going on in the
background. So I just think thatwhen something is real, how will we
know when there's so much non realreporting of stuff. And I think that
that that that'll be the real test. Great point, and this could be

(34:55):
one of those. This all couldbe a test, like how do they
take it, who takes side?How many people believe it's still real even
though they've created something, you know, This all could be part of how
they're testing our behavior to new thingslike this. I don't know, just
something to think about. I'm notsaying it's real or not real. I
think that that's never my position onthis podcast. But there's a lot of

(35:17):
things to consider on why it's happeningand who could control it, and if
it's real or not. That's all. I just hope people are more sort
of discerning with what kind of evidencethey feel is legit, you know,
because like, you know, Iguess technically I can't for sure say that

(35:40):
no one saw ten foot aliens.It's a bit of an Okhama's risea kind
of you know, simplest explanation kindof thing. Yeah, you know,
also think about this just to befor fun, because like the whole phenomenon
is absurd. Like, if anything, this follows the exact pattern we've been
seeing the entire time, absurdness,trickster spirit, messing with people and not

(36:06):
being clear but kind of being clear. It literally follows everything it is the
phenomenon, like the phenomenon would meanwe keep saying like, oh, the
hard evidence or it's like you needa clear It's like it's never been that
way, so why would this beany different? I just think I don't
know. I think it's it's ifI had a gun to my head,
it's it's definitely bullshit. What happenedto Miami, I'm definitely I would not
put any money on it. Butafter it happened in Peru last year with

(36:29):
the indigenous people and in the Vegaslanding, and then in the history of
like just John Keel's work and theabsurdness of it all, and why would
like, Well, I'm at thepoint where I'm like, why not.
The weirder and more absurd it is, the more likely I'm to believe now
it does it follow? Does itmake sense logically? No? But like
this whole phenomenon hasn't followed logic inone hundred years, so why would it
start now? Yeah, But therewas an interesting evidence with too right.

(36:53):
It was like, you know,we actually had people who were actually in
distress saying like you know, whowere actually injured from things, and and
video of people shooting in the inthe in the woods at something. And
there's just none of that for thisat all, I don't think. And

(37:15):
this is w'd be fair if Ihad to ranke these in order of believability
and not like the Vegas landing,maybe's number one or the Peru and this
is either this is definitely three,no matter what it goes to, like
what's bulget this is three? Butit's so much fun, Matthew, how
dare you throw cold water on themost fun I ever had for like thirty
seconds? I'd love it to bereal. That'd be fucking sweet. And

(37:37):
this is actually this topic of likehow much so these fascical things hurt the
movement? The UAP disclosure movement sortof came up in something I hope we're
going to touch on. I toldpeople were going to touch on the new
TMZI UFO show, fucking Jeremy cowBell, that whole thing. I don't

(38:00):
know if we want to transition intothat, but yeah, let's transition to
that, because you know, Joshjust brought something up really interesting. What
can what conditions are the right amountof evidence to be believable? And so
that is what is being questioned rightnow. Again, we are not saying
that the Miami thing is real,But when does it become believable to the

(38:24):
point that that is real evidence.Jeremy Corbal has been an investigative journalist for
quite some time. He's been coveredin this topic. He has military videos
of the octopus, jellyfish jellyfish uapright, and then there's a couple other
ones. You guys are going totalk about that seems like evidence. But
then at any point someone could saythey can analyze a video and be like,

(38:47):
oh, that was a blah blahblah. Right, that was a
video anymore, it's a story,it's it's a whole package. You got
to take everything consideration. Yeah,yeah, all right, So where do
you want to jump in? SoJeremy Cabell has a new series on TMZ,
It's It's I. I have notwatched that, but I've watched the

(39:09):
videos that have been released from it, so that I've heard it's well produced,
which is great because that lends credibilityto what he's doing. And he
has been you know, he cameout with his documentary several years ago,
I don't know, five or sixyears ago with Lear and then from there
he's kind of been in operation dealingwith the government and getting them to release

(39:30):
videos to him so he can kindof be the voice of the uap UFO
releasing of stuff. So he's definitelybeen in that space, and I think
that he's been knee deep in thosegovernment files. And uh, you know,
I have to say though, thejellyfish. I looked at the video

(39:51):
and there's two things that I thinkthat. I mean, there's lots of
things we could say about Jeremy Corbell, but I will say that I think
what is of interest not just thatUFOs or UAPs are over nuclear bases,
but they're always during wartime. Itdoesn't have to be American military forces.
There are stories of UAPs UFOs appearingover a battleground or a situation, not

(40:15):
necessarily nuclear weapons, but that theyjust appear, whether it's an orb there's
jellyfish things. But you know,so that is a really interesting thing and
I'm happy that he is kind ofdiving into that a little bit, because
why are they observing us at war? The jellyfish uap UFO has been around

(40:37):
since like nineteen seventy four. There'spictures. I think the first one was
actually discovered by a Danish military group, and they had a picture of it,
and then they dove into it,and then they submitted it to a
bunch of other military groups. Butthe nineteen seventy four was the first time
they captured one on camera, whichI think is interesting, but also by

(41:00):
yeah, a military organization, notnot a civilian huh yeah. And there's
there's obviously there's people came out withother stuff that had been pretty closely resembling
what that thing was. And justthe way Jeremy was explaining in the the
doco that it was kind of itwas. It was only visible through the

(41:25):
is it the heat the what isit the heat camera? Whatever it is,
thermal camera. I can't find thewords right now. God damn this
peach whiskey. Anyway, So itwas kind of going, it was kind
of going hot and cold as itwas moving through the through this It was
military footage too. It wasn't likejust some amateur c g I expert.

(41:50):
It was actually legit footage. Butit couldn't be seen with infrared. It
couldn't be seen with the usual whojust thumbs down me, So I was
just looking at that it could beit could be seen with infrared or is
that the same as heat signature.I don't know, Yeah, I think

(42:12):
infrared was different. Whatever it was, it was, it was picking up
signal basically, so it was gonelike, yeah it was it was the
science camera. It was picking upthe science of it all. But anyway,
so that was the like couldn't beseen in the naked eye, couldn't
be seen with the regular camera.It was this only this one thing that
was like, uh, let's discoverthe emoji thing in Scottan apparently what I'm

(42:35):
talking about. Anyway, interesting,that was super interesting, and it was
kind of going from way hot toway cold, like within a couple of
semes, That's what she said.Yeah, well sometimes they do, let
me tell you, you know.Yeah, so that was kind of cool.
And what was the other one,Josh where Well, so that one

(43:00):
particularly, there's more of that videobecause they didn't show it. Of course,
they don't show the best part,because that's the theme of all these
videos, shitty black and white.They don't show the whole thing. Apparently,
this jellyfish went over to the waterand went underwater and went back up.
Now too, this is going totransition to the next video where a
captain boat, big cruise ship sawit, filmed it and saw the same

(43:20):
thing happen. But this reminds meof the aquedilla footage from Puerto Rico.
In my opinion, one of thebest, if top three, if number
one, best video of all timeon UFO. Is better than all the
Corbell videos showing this probe come outof the water over a base in Puerto
Rico, split into two go underwater, not change speed. It reminds
me of that, except that wasmore of like an orb shaped thing,
not a jellyfish. This is differentand seemed organic, but that transitions to

(43:42):
this other sighting that happens at thesame time with this captain is even telling
like a whole conference of people.I think it was a sole conference.
I forget where it was. Idon't know what it was that these they
saw the jellyfish is a video associatedwith it? So two jellyfish settings right
in a row. Yeah, Actually, if they're in a row, they
just came out at the same time. Sorry, I don't have the dates
from me right, so okay,So I think it's really interesting that I

(44:06):
was telling you about the first onethey've captured on camera nineteen seventy four.
They call them atmospheric jellyfish. Ofcourse, NASA says, these creatures.
I love that you were creatures maybethe result of space to be reflecting off
of the northern lights. But alot of these are not stretch. They're
not like, yeah, they're noteven close to being at that. I

(44:29):
mean maybe Norway, but like alot of the other ones are not.
They're not even No, this wasthis was pretty low to the ground.
Yeah. Yeah, least they didn'tsay jet packs illegal miners on jet packs.
Oh that's my favorite. I lovewhat things. What they say it
is is is like more ridiculous thanactually being aliens. That's interesting. That's
like one of the things people talkabout, the organic, invisible kind of
creatures. You've heard this before andit's been more popular, and that's it's

(44:52):
just really cool that like these kidsjust be benign creatures that we just don't
see, that are always around us. And I think that's kind of beautiful
in a sense. It doesn't seemdangerous, know, it just seems like
some sort of life form we don'tunderstand. Yeah, it wasn't. It
was just kind of floating through.It was just kind of it was like
interesting shape. Like I it sortof had these tentacles, hence the jellyfish

(45:13):
term, but they weren't really movingas if it was kind of floating like
they weren't. They didn't seem likethere were this flowing tentacles. They were
just kind of shapes hanging from it, which is which is kind of an
odd thing. But it was justit was very much like otherworldly looking,
I want to say, like itwasn't like anything we see in the three
dimensional earth we currently inhabit man findingmy words to finding too many words?

(45:40):
Yeah, yeah, I use oneword. Yeah. Also, some analysis
of the videos do show like somethingsitting in it. It does remind me
of the the metapod videos. Sothere's these videos out there you can find
jellyfish looking it looks like a beansand like a little motorcycle floating thing in

(46:00):
the sky just kind of had thesame look if you zoom really and you
could make the case is that agray alien head? Is that a little
green head there? I did seepeople zooming in and try to find uh,
paradoila within a paradoilia. Yeah,it just sounds great. It was
like it was like a blurry mess. I didn't see anything. Yeah,
you know, I had to sayanything either. But it reminds you of
the Spain footage in the Mexico footageof the metapod, the famous metapod footage.

(46:23):
Yeah, that is actually really interestingfootage like that, the one that
sort of spins around and you cansee that you know, must see like
some sort of being within and it'slike a glass cover, the glast cover
thing is weird, that's the part. You're like, what is that?
Yeah, there's a couple of thosenow out there. I think that these
translucent I just call them creatures,beans, ships, whatever you want to

(46:45):
call them. Craft. Uh,they're they're fairly new to our consciousness,
like on a mass level, becauseI remember UFO Witness, we interviewed a
lot of civilians that have seen kindof almost like a new thing. Right.
We have the triangle, we havethe orbs, we have the you
know, the disc shape, butthen these kind of translucent things that take

(47:06):
these different shapes is fairly new recordedby a civilian population. But when did
those video When did it? Wasthat video actually recorded by the military.
Obviously it wasn't just recently. Itwas a while ago, right, Yeah,
I forget when he said it wasfrom but yeah, it wasn't.
It wasn't super recent for sure.It's always the same video, and he
keeps Jeremy keeps hinting that there's Iknow he has to he does sort of

(47:30):
try to keep that journalistic integrity wherehe's like until I get the Okay,
I'm not going to just show youall the stuff that I've seen, like
that's but I've seen some crazy shit, Like maybe he's just being a great
marketing one of those guys. I'veheard those guys before where I've seen amazing

(47:51):
things, but I can't tell youthat's classified. Now. David Grush does
that too. But for the reasonI trust that bastard. I don't know
why. He's just he's my hero. I want to give. Well,
he was saying like some of thisoff is still top secret, like to
bring it out would mean, well, I'm going to jail. So yeah,
yeah, I mean who wants tobe I mean who wants to be
that. It's like, okay,so he's bringing it to our attention.
He's getting people in Congress to supporthim so that we can look into it

(48:14):
more and then we can bring itout to the public. But yeah,
you're right. You don't want torelease all the top secer stuff you had,
you would be in jail. SoI think everybody has a legitimate cause
there. But you're right, whathappens with the Grush this year will be
really interesting. Yeah. Yeah,So Grush came up a bunch in this
series, the three part series,and so they did I think it was

(48:37):
episode three, A lot of itthey used, like some of the congressional
stuff and his other interviews with likeJoe Rogan and stuff. And then episode
three he actually gets to talk toGrush. Jeremy does via skypo something like
that, and they have a bitof a conversation about what's coming and this
exciting thing is on the horizon,but he's also getting obviously a lot of

(49:00):
threats and pushback and stuff. Butepisode two, I believe there was something
that popped up that will be closeto our hearts. I think was they
were talking about how much of aOh boy let down it was for the
Mexican Congressional hearing when himI Massan suddenlywheeled out these boxes of those little alien

(49:23):
beings. Hi May. I wantto be Hi May when I'm seventy five
years old. Man he's my hero. I love you. If you're listening,
I love you. Okay, Solook, I know Josh not watch
the little bit about it. Well, how do they ship on the Daska

(49:43):
mommies? Please tell me what happenedwith so this this kind of leads into
what we were talking about before withthe Miami stuff. Basically, they were
saying they had Grush and someone else, some Mexican people I guess from the
military, talking about their experiences.No, sorry, Grush wasn't there.
It was Graves, Graves, thepilot. He was. He was there,

(50:07):
and he was talking about his experiencesand it was all very you know,
it was like the the US congressionalhearing is all very like serious and
serious people asking serious questions. Allof a sudden sorry, and then all
of a sudden him he wheels outthese fucking aliens and they were all like,
damn it. And they were justbasically saying, like we went from

(50:32):
super serious congressional hearing too, ohmy god, and why the fuck am
I here? What a fucking jokethis is? And it just us He's
just somewhat hotter. A hotter chickcame in the room. And now it
was showing him, you know what, like a hotter dude came in the
room, was like, I getall the ladies now history. I love
Ryan Graves is a national hero.I love his old story. What a

(50:54):
boring story that is. And I'msorry, like the mummies are so exciting
to my heart. I just hadto get that out. Sorry I cut
you off, which I felt it. You're fine. I mean he made
a grave mistake by going this guggirl cared about down there, but everyone
cared about the mummies. That's thefucking shore. That class. I was

(51:15):
saying, the whole fascicle. Andthis wasn't like the decent like Maria Ones
with the three fingers. These werethese little doll shaped ones I wasn't interested
in, but it's okay whatever,yeah, the super uninteresting ones. And
it just it would just like itjust went downhill, and the whole thing

(51:36):
just went from Oh, let's let'sexchange like Mexico, what do you got
us? A what do you got? We got some cool stuff? And
we're like, hey, there's somefucking toys we brought out. And then
he was just like, god,fucking what am I doing here? What
a what a joke to be andit was just agree, prove an alien

(51:57):
Barbie, you know what I mean, Like they have those little toys and
they have like instead of a dollhouse, they have a spaceship and you've got
like an elevator in the spaceship.You know, would that be cool?
Yes? I mean like Barbie Faceeating Barbie would be great. Nasca Mummy
Barbies. There's like eight races,dude, we have like different Barbies from
each racist. You know, there'ssupposed to be a winged one back there.
There's some crazy shit going down himy. I could say this because I

(52:20):
didn't say I'm not saying they worka guy. I'm saying this because how
many There's an article how May justsaid there's thirty different bodies or types or
something like that. He just saidthat in the media, which death has.
But I mean, Jimi's one ofthose people who's just like, never
met a conspiracy that hasn't wholeheartedly jumpedright into It's like, yes, it's
the new thing. We've got it, people, We've done it. And

(52:44):
then he doubles down on it.Oh my god, no, you're no
stop it. It's real. Youcan have reptilian pregnant alien Barbie and you
could have uh giant head Barbie Wadeby winged. I made the case they

(53:04):
made for this thing being an absoluteface in the documentary I kind of have
to agree agree with, Like,if they wanted to do the Mummy thing,
it should have been a separate vent. They shouldn't have tagged it into
this because it just brought the wholething into a laughing stock. And even
people I really respect, like GaryNolan, the immunologist who's done a bunch
of research into you know, hewas asked by the We've talked about him

(53:29):
before, asked by the US toinvestigate the ongoing health effects of abductees and
all sorts of other really interesting things. He was saying, look the way
they did the science behind this thing. He was asked originally to come in
and take a look at him afterthe I don't know, the Peruvian university

(53:50):
or whatever had to look at thoseother ones, and he was basically saying,
look the way they handled this wasso fucking terribly done. And you
know, there was this whole thingabout like wanting to hang Sorry Gary did
a bunch of cave robbers trying toprofit off it and confuse everybody. So
wait, let me get this straight. They all whined in a half an
hour TV show that the Mummy showedup where Ryan Graves was. So they're

(54:13):
not saying they're not real. They'renot saying these science is bad. They're
just literally being like, how darethey come to my party? They're not
cool enough to be here. That'swhy I read this. Yeah, I
mean there was I guess most peoplewere just saying, like, it's an
absolute fucking joke that they brought thesein and but they're not real. They
they're not saying they're not real,right, they just they're only I haven't
seen it yet. Science is bad? See Okay? Yeah, Gary,

(54:37):
Gary didn't go as far as sayingthey're bullshit. He just said the way
the way they you know, conductedthe science around investigating and was really poorly
done and just completely turned him off. Look, well, I mean,
shouldn't have been involved in it,in it in the middle. I agree
that he's a something used to dothe job, but I get it.

(55:01):
But we also you know, Iworked a guy at the time, right,
and we reached out to Gary Nolanand he was interested and then he
wasn't, So you know, atone point he had a chance to change.
He must have. He must havelooked at it at some point.
Yes, well, he was involvedwith the Greer Mummy, so he's probably
burned by it all because that wasweird. And I get it. I

(55:22):
love Gary Nolan by the way.I'm just say I love Gary Nolan,
so I have you know, whateverdecisions he makes, You're right, he
probably got totally burned Josh. Andhe was like, I'm out. I
don't want anything to do these crazystuff. I get it. I just
you know, Hime's number one inmy heart and I'm gonna defend him anyway
I can. Makes mistakes. It'slike the whole thing. You fuck one
goat and then the rest of yourlife you're a goat fucker, you know,
like Jesus, give the guy abreak. He didn't just to be

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clear, traite to do, youknow, to have that, you know,
like it's not just one goat,Josh, it's like forever. Yeah,
you made some choices and follows.But yeah, like I said,
I totally agree, if they wantedto do that, it should have been
in another here like this was thiswas supposed to be Like okay, us

(56:07):
did it now Mexico does it.Now, this country does it. Now,
this country does it, And itjust kind of the whole like snowball
effective countries coming out with whistle blowsand stuff just kind of ground to a
halt now because everyone's like, comeon, come on, I'm serious.
Happened brought up mummies? Come on? That's yeah. Joint the picture.

(56:29):
I mean, I know there's footageout there of like him wheeling them in,
but I would love to see,like in a movie, like all
the different angles of the wheeling in, you know what I mean. Like,
Okay, so Graves is up theretalking and everyone's serious and taking notes.
There's journalists and stuff, and thenall of a sudden, you see
like a back door open. Itgets struck, gets stuck with the glass,

(56:53):
and everybody's like, oh my god, what is happening. All of
a sudden, Himi's behind it andhe's like, They're like, oh my
god, some more stuff just asecond dug, everyone go. I just
see all the Americans is like bearingthe headdens the hand going uh, for
fuck's sake, God dammit, Andlike Himi's so nice and he's like old,

(57:16):
and you're like he's like just onesecond. You know, I just
got this thing to say, andeverybody's like, my career is over.
Thank you himI. This is now. This is the part of the movie,
like an act too, of Himi'slife, the biography that will be
the biggest hit ever where like noone believes him, but he comes out
the other side where all the mummiesare real and he becomes a hero of
this whole story. Maybe one onemummy is real and the toys was not

(57:39):
real. Listen, I will Iwill happily eat those words if that's what
it turns out to be. Iwill happily eat that crow pie. Yeah,
me too. I just want tosay to Nask, mummies are higher
than the Miami alien invasion for sureon the list of things that could be
real. I just want to saythere is actual sciences, actual research that
Yeah, I would say, Maria, but those short little ones, I

(58:00):
never thought that those had a chance. They touched them. He just didn't
make We could get anybody that lookedat the X rays or the cat scans
and be like, oh, yeah, those are real. The egg thing
is strange, but I don't knowwhat you're saying. It's weird, it's
like a sudden metallic or something.Anyway, So you're going to talk about

(58:21):
Bob blazaarreh, I, Matt,we got to talk about Yeah, let's
talk about Lazar for a second.So he popped up in episode three.
And this was one thing. Idon't know why Jeremy's so got us such
a hard on for bubb Blaza.Yeah, but that started his career,
so he would have a hard Iguess. So yeah, he the big
documentary about him and stuff, andI guess they're friends, which is fine,

(58:42):
but he tried to paint lazare aslike the original Grush, and at
that point, I was just like, fuck off, fuck right the hell
off, Like even Lazar's credentials andhistory is at best dodgy, whereas you
know, Grush has actual credentials,He worked in the places he said he

(59:06):
worked, all that sort of stuff. You could argue that Lazare worked in
some high up places and he wasa scientist and all that sort of stuff.
But I just there's so much historythat's gone into Lazarre and the you
know, diving into his background andjust to say that he's on the same
level as Grush. I thought itwas like let's not go that far.

(59:30):
Maybe he has some interesting fun stuffto say. I don't know what are
your thoughts, Josh, you're you'rea bit of a Lazarre fan. Maybe
maybe not. Oh, I'm Switzerlandon Lazarre. I know his story.
I love it from like I likeanything that's embedded in UFIL mythology, just
from like a storytelling standpoint or ahistorical standpoint. So I don't really have
an opinion. I've heard both wayson him, honestly, and been convinced

(59:52):
both ways. There's some things hesaid that, there's some things he said
that undniabil. I've heard other thingsabout him from people who would know that
are weird, especially so like Iwas like, okay, but then I
don't really know. I would sayhe's important because he's helped spark the imagination
of a lot of people, andit's not so outrageous to turn people off
like you're worried about with the Miamiand smid Matt and other incidents. I

(01:00:15):
think it's But I a hundred thousandyear agree with you, Like it's not
even called we don't need it fordisclosure. We don't even need it,
Like you shouldn't have to come upanymore. So you're like, Okay,
we got Grush. We don't needthe czar and his sketchy three months he
was there where his girlfriend was bangingsomeone else and he may have saw an
alien for a second, and heonly could work on the propulsion, like
you know. But he's also saida lot of things were weird at the
time. Most people didn't know thatstuff. So it I go back,

(01:00:36):
I go back. But he's nothingNYE. David Grush is like is it
the word unimpeachable? Like he's justyou can't he's undeniable, Like he gave
the president the daily intelligence report,like this guy is and he wouldn't come
forward, like he's a national here, like he knows it sucks to come
forward. He knows it's kind ofhurts him. He kind of like probably
is not gonna he couldn't reach wherehe wanted to go, Like he's he's
the real deal. We're in it. Like disclosures coming, it's just going

(01:00:58):
really slow. That's what people want, I guess, and that's what they're
controlling and blah blah blah. Idid hear there's another disclosure group out there,
though I won't say names. That'slike countering kind of the luel Zondo,
which is basically control disclosure through thegovernment, Like he's allowed to talk,
he came forward there. Some peopleargue that's all that is, and
there's another group working through other peoplethat are trying to get the information out
quicker, not catastrophic, but wayquicker and not hold it back because right

(01:01:21):
now we're looking at like catastrophic orlike or it's like the I mean,
I get the Luela's Ono thing isbecause the only way it seems legit is
if it comes through the actual government. Like if you just come out with
stories like hey, I saw tenfoot told things at Miami fucking Mole,
you know, people tend to notfind that very credible. But but yeah,

(01:01:43):
I don't know. Anyways, Igotta check it out. I'm gonna
check out that three part series Ihave seen. Definitely check it out.
I watch everything, you know,I will say that. Jeremy asks Laza
if he now that people are jumpingin front of Congress and whistleblowing and stuff,
whether he would come out and dothat, and Laza was like,
oh no, no, no,no, I'm happy with where it's all

(01:02:04):
government now. I don't. Idon't want to. I don't want to
interrupt that. And I was like, yeah, you don't want to go
in front of Congress because you couldgo to jail if you lie. Yeah.
Yeah, But just to defend thatquickly, because just to play Devil's
advocate, not that I'll disagree withyou, is he didn't say anything for
a long time, like he wenta very long time to private life,
So you could argue like he's justthat way, and I don't blame you

(01:02:25):
say one wrong thing. Or ifif you tell the truth and they're like,
Hi, you're lying, you goto jail. He's like, what
the hell, I'm telling the truthand listen what to prove it? Like
it's kind of a lose lose.I don't blame him, you know,
different I am. I would sayI'm somewhat on the fence with Laza,
like I don't know something sound interestingthings that are like super Dog. I

(01:02:45):
don't hate Lazare at all. Ithink that his interest, his story is
interesting, and and the things thathe said he must have absorbed from someone
else, because those are the thingsthat are coming out now, like different
designs. Not all of his stuff, not all of his crazy but some
of the stuff that he said hehad to talk to someone, So whether
he had some dodgy clearance and allthat, but he must have been talking

(01:03:07):
to someone that maybe gave it tohim. Maybe he lied about what he
was doing specifically, but he wastalking to someone who did know something.
Because the stuff that he came outwith, yes, then has been sort
of validated by other people that aremore credible. So I don't think he's
off the mark. I just thinkhe kind of had to make up a

(01:03:29):
little bit of in between of howhe got the information and that kind of
stuff just so people would listen tohim, and so that you know,
is he lying? You know,I'm not even playing Switzerland here. I'm
just saying, is he lying orwas it a point of survival so he
could get what he knew from thisother person out? I don't know.
Oh that's interesting, Yes, Idon't know. It could be like Billy

(01:03:51):
Meyer, where it seems like somethinglegitimate did happen to him that eventually he
faked it all for fame. ButZar didn't do that, So I don't
know. Yeah, See, I'vebeen pulled both within this conversation. I've
been like he's lying, and I'vebeen like, he's the truth, man,
He's got the truth. There wascertainly a bunch of different people in
the field, I think, whohave something initially and maybe it's legit,

(01:04:14):
and then in order to stay relevantand keep the keep the fame train rolling,
they just start making it up.And you know, I can kind
of understand the the sort of drawis to do that to keep to keep
in the spotlight and stay relevant.And you know, you can't just have
one thing and then hope people will, you know, continually follow you.

(01:04:35):
You're gonna have You're gonna have thatTikTok following. So, uh, you
know, it's a it's an interestingfeeling or are they all chasing it to
make it happen? Like John Keel, the more you look into it,
the more you fake it, themore likely it's gonna happen to you.
Maybe that's part of it. Youknow, you've got to like keep pushing
in order You're saying John Keel's fake. Now, dude, I'm more like

(01:04:56):
you just was engaging in the constantengaging because what is faking it? Where
the making it really doing? It'slike you're trying to create it for yourself.
In some sense, you're trying topull it towards you, so like
by faking it more, it actuallymight happen. The whole theory of like
looking into it, it looks backat you. So I don't know that
consciousness. I mean, we're creatingour consciousness, you know, we're creating
the reality of which we live in, and what we see is what we

(01:05:16):
then believe in, right, So, and how we see that so,
I don't know. Right sort ofspeaks to like you were saying before,
Melissa, about how these things showup in war zones all the time.
The amount of emotion and conscious likeheightened consciousness that comes with fighting and killing
and all that sort of stuff.Maybe that does draw draw these things in.

(01:05:38):
Yeah, maybe, or maybe usthat draw them in and then we'll
leave it there, we'll leave it. Maybe it's us that's drawing these things
in us like us three, we'regoing to Corbell show, we're part of
the problem. Well, I mean, I think there's so much going on,

(01:06:00):
So I'm hoping every podcast we havelike a million things to talk about
and dissect like this, because Ithink like it's come to the point where
you were really good at digging upold stories, and you know, I'm
still trying to put you know,a little bit of reference into stuff that's
been done before as far as likeold stuff. But I think that what
we're really at is like what isreal, what's happening? What part of

(01:06:24):
this disclosure is a reality that we'rewilling to be okay with. And I
think that we're going to have andI know that, Josh, I think
you agree with me. There's gonnabe a lot more stuff coming out for
us to dissect and as always beingall the perspectives here for your listening and
very soon viewing pleasure, masturbational.Oh sorry, yeah, viewing pleasure.

(01:06:46):
Yeah, yeah, me too,Yeah, yes, okay, okay,
great, all right, everybody,have a good night, keep your pants
on, and you know, ifyou're at the mall and somebody's trying to
open up portal when they have weldingglasses on, fucking run anyway, have
a good night, or turn yourfucking phone on video something. For the

(01:07:06):
love of god, it's out there, bro, the police took it.
Bro. What do you you don'tknow? Yeah, continues, but anyway,
be safe out there, video tapingand you can if you see welding
glasses. Run anyway, have agood night, and we'll see you next
thing. Goodbye,