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This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'reheating the warning of the Fourth cont from
saucy encounters with blue alien babes tonocturnal meetings with shadow people, both helpful
and terrifying. If they're trying towarn us, we're listening. So take
a bracing shot of courage and joinus for an all new Cosmic Cantina.
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I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,and every week I go to my favorite
bar, Cosmic Cantina, and kickbackwith my co hosts, Josh Golumbuski and
Matt O'Connor. We talk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,
and anything from the unseen world thatneeds a little illumination. Welcome to Cosmic
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Cantina. I'm your host, MelissaTittle, and tonight I'm drinking water again.
I am up in the mountains andI had a little too much tequila
last night and my hangover was terrible. Sorry, I'll still rally. Don't
worry. What do you got?Look, I'm drinking the last of the
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summer ales, my last couple ofmodellos before I switch over to the winter
Dhaka Bears, and I put onan extra five pounds because of those calorie
ridden buggers. But I'm living inthe summer dream right now before it gets
cold. Cheers dream, that's ourtheme song. Get ready people, it's
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coming next season. Tonight. I'mdrinking what is labeled exactly it's called Japanese
saki. I'm not just saying thatliterally, that's literally what it's called.
I'm on a saki kick because it'sgluten free. We know this about Josh
now and it's actually pretty summy.Cold saki. People don't drink hot saki.
That's just because it's so bad theyhave to heat it up. Cold
saki is the way go high end, don't be cheap. Welcome to the
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saki Revolution. Yeah, it justfeels good when it's warm because it's cold
outside. But yes, you're right, sure I get that in the winter.
No, it's just classy or coldthough. But I'm excited, folks.
We've got a good show tonight.We've got some weird stuff and some
insight and I'm ready to party.Let's do this. Yeahoo, speaking of
cold, did you fear a coldbrush or your room gets cold because there's
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a paranormal entity, non human entityin your room? Has that ever happened
to you. Oh I'm sure,yes, the Matt for sure. Yeah
that's right. Yeah, yeah,real serious, real quick, come on
this here, guys. I justneed a ruck on the floor in a
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fatal position for a second. Everything'sgonna be fun, all right. So
we're really talking about these encounters whathappens afterwards, Like, uh, for
instance, we have we have nonhuman entities. We have some paranormal stories
of encounters where they encounter something andthen they're kind of haunted by it.
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And we know that a lot ofyou listening have these experiences. You reached
out to me with some of them, and they're super creepy. But we
just think we've done a lot ofalien stuff. Doesn't mean we're not going
to touch on it, but youknow, we want to remind people there's
some creepy shit out there, andwe're getting close to Halloween. We got
to amp it up. Yeah.And it's all related too, I feel
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like right, I do too.The parole and the aliens and the UFOs,
it's all related. If you watchCode twelve of the movie on Amazon,
I just if there's five stars nice. You know, we're all living
in some kind of matrix and weall exist in the same spot, including
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ghosts and you know, paranormal activityand entities. But anyway, onto our
show, so I came across thisnews article that's titled Navy officers saw non
human entities in his bedroom after gimbalUFO encounter, and I realized that the
Navy intelligence officer was somebody I interviewedon UFO witness. So I went through
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the article. Basically they were theywere talking about how he had an experience,
which I'll talk about my experience withhim. He had an experience where
he was on the USS Roosevelt whenthe gimbal happened. He's a Naval intelligence
officer on the ship. They havethis report come in him and a small
group of people are the ones inthe inside talking about the gimbal. Not
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everybody on the ship is talking aboutthe gimbal. There's definitely people who saw
it, but not everybody on theship is talking about this or saw it.
So he's kind of in this smallgroup. And then he goes home,
gets off the ship, you know, goes back to his house.
You know, he's not on dutyat the USES Roosevelt, and he starts
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being visited by a non human entity. And he started getting communication from this
non human entity while he was onthe show, but he didn't really connect
anything to it, you know.You know, he was telling me that,
you know, most of his lifehe never thought about life after death.
He you know, everything was prettyblack and white. He's not the
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religious guy. He's not like,you know, there's things that happened,
and he didn't believe in anything atall. And so when this gimbal situation
happened, it kind of like kindof struck his psyche a little bit.
He's like, I was really shookit up because if this was true,
if this really was a non humanintelligence that we were dealing with on the
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US's Roosevelt, then what about allthe other things I've never thought about?
Right? So he kind of likecracked a little bit, kind of a
spiritual awaking in a sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of
like what am I supposed to believein? What am I supposed to think?
Now? You know type of thing. So his name is Matthew Roberts.
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So this this article is it's onand I think Wes or something because
they just did a new show withhim. But on UFO Witness, I
personally interviewed him just by myself becausethe story is pretty crazy. So he
gets visited by this blue bean thisbut she's a woman, and she kind
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of like harasses him, like youknow, it's kind of like, uh
yeah, I keep going, yeah, super hot, keep your pants on,
matt Oh, I'm sorry. It'slike full on what's that movie in
the eighties, like Stalker movie?Likes full on Stalker movie. Like she's
always in his bedroom, like,hello, Matthew, I'm here again in
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my blue suit. Okay, thisis so she starts telling him, you
know, she basically forces herself onhim. They have sexual relations. Okay,
episodes, that's what you chose.First they had the intercourse theses and
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he was like, oh no,please stop, blue lady. I don't
want this anymore. Yeah, Igot scared. I don't know what to
do. What do I say?Okay? Right, so so okay,
I have to say. You knowwhat was really So the producers of the
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show, they I through out UFOWitness. If if anybody's listening is watch
euph Witness. I have this notebook, but I take everywhere that I am
like writing things down and people drawthings and and then you know, at
the end of the show, wetake all the notes and like we're like,
here's our conclusion, right, andso this is like one of my
first interviews. So the notebook,they the producers like ask him to draw
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like what the woman looked like ontop of him, and I'm like,
I mean, I got to holdit together, but I'm like, well,
what is it, like, whatis it going to look like?
What? Like, I don't know. It's all like we don't need picture
of you fucking an alien that wouldbe great. So I'm like, you
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know, seriously, like can youdraw what she looks like, you know,
when she was you know, withyou, you know, sexual relations
whatever. And so he draws likeher body naked mostly except she has a
top with like zigzags on it,you know, like a like a bando
top with zigzags, and the bruisersare like talk about what the zigzags mean,
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and I'm like, dude, likeit's just fashion, just alien fashion
naked. She's probably naked. He'snot going to draw two tits on like
TV, you know. Anyway,It's just like a very uncomfortable thing because
he was very emotional, and that'swhy, like I think something really happened
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to this guy over and over againwith this woman, and she, you
know, I would do stuff withhim, and she'd tell him about things
like that he never that he knowsdidn't come from his psyche, because he
started to think, like am Icrazy? Like what's happening to me?
But she kind of gave him thisstructure of like where she's from, and
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like like what planet and how youget there and how the universe is structured
like stuff like he's a pretty smartguy as a Navy intelligence officer, but
but there was stuff that like hedid know, and he went and looked
it up and he thought, Okay, that's where did I get that from?
Some different pillowtalk right there? Theseworks. Yeah, this isn't doing
it for me. Lady it down. No one cares if you're smart,
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all right? So okay, Soanother thing in the interview was, you
know, like what was she like, like, you know, since you
were touching her, like what didshe feel like? And he said that
she had like this like rubbery skinthat kind of felt like a cat suit.
And I was like, that's it'spretty hot, you know, cat
suit. I'm not turned off rightnow. So this isn't so bad,
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like this blue like this blue kindof like rubbery skin, and she just
like would appear any like not.And then as this went on for like
three years, I think like wherehe and her were having this relationship and
you know, like most people inthese cases, like he doesn't get taken
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into a ship or anything, hejust has this like she just appears and
like you know, throws herself athim. Did you describe her face?
No, it was like kind ofblurred out like it was It's like it
was like there was a shape toher, but then it wasn't. It
was like constantly like in flow,okay, son looking big eyed kind of
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Yeah, that's the other thing Iwas gonna say, yeah, yeah,
yeah, like an inter dimensional beingthat was trying to take the form of
a bean. But yeah, Idon't know, Yeah, I got really
detailed with that, Like was herface look like like you know, just
ship horns? Like what you know, what happening? But God, I've
just awakened so many brand new kinksnow that I didn't even know existed.
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Carry on, I'll deal with it. Carry on. So, like she
starts appearing to him like outside thebedroom, like during the daytime, you
know, like that kind of thing, not in front of his wife.
Surely that's tough to explain. Idon't think he No, I don't think
so unless he is, if youcan say anything, but he then he
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then she then comes to him andsays, you know, after like three
years or something like that, likeyou have a child, and this is
your child, and that she thatlike she she made she wanted to mate
with him basically to have this hybridchild. And yeah, anyway, is
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he paying for that now? Yeah, he's paying for it with like energetic
exchange. So I guess, like, you know, he he falls into
that camp of like after after acertain amount of time, you just kind
of like are okay with it,You're like okay, fine, like we're
together, Like he kind of talkedlike they were still together, like you
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know, she's you know, herand I are in a relationship type of
thing. I think it was,you know, I hear that from a
lot of people that have like abductionexperiences. It gets common in literature,
especially in the research, people endup feeling like they have a relationship with
their significant other man woman, woman, man with the other entity. That's
really common. Yeah, and didshe like, so he has this relationship
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with it. Did she ever kindof give him any sort of dire wanting
to stop talking about it or anythinglike that. No, none of it
at all, but that it's like, you know, the same message we
always hear from people who get abducted. It's very important that you understand what
I'm telling you because the world isn'tstraights and we're here to save humanity and
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blah blah blah. I like,I don't know one abduction experience, maybe
a couple that didn't have this kindof like you know, ode to you
know, we're doing this because we'retrying to help you type of thing.
You know. So he definitely hadthat experience with her and still having that
experience with her. I'm not surewhere it's at. And it's been like
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a year and a half now sinceI've interviewed him and now he's on this
new show. But I think likethere's a couple of things that are really
interesting to me, and I knowyou guys have a lot of really interesting
stuff that you've brought up with peoplewho have experiences. Now I want to
make a connection. So we havethis really big UFO encounter happening. We
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have this this gimbal situation, right, which we all know, we've seen
the footage. This is pretty bigthis, this is happening. This is
two thousand and four. Navy triesto hide it for a while. This
comes out twenty nineteen, right,twenty twenty, twenty nineteen twenty, where
they're like they get this unexplained thing. So he's on the ship. He's
in the small group of people thatknow about it on the ship, right,
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like, yeah, that's pretty big, right, And he's like I
asked him things about it, youknow, and I was like, okay,
well what happened at the ship,like when you found out about it,
you know, like like like journalistquestions like okay, so then what
was it like? But he wouldn'tanswer any of those at all. Like
he's like, I can't talk aboutwhat my job was on the ship.
I can't tell you that. LikeI can't tell you what happened next,
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I can't tell you know, verylike he's still very like military. So
after this happens, and he hasa psychological crack a little bit because he
starts to really think about what doesthis all mean? He then becomes involved
in this non human entity situation immediatelyafter Oh yeah, the hitchhiker effect.
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Yeah exactly. It's like, now, think about it, What if all
of these events are trying to createcracks in our psyche so that things can
actually connect with us more than they'reactually landing and connecting with us that way.
I don't know, just I justthought of that. Yeah, crazy,
that would go on the interdimensional thingmaybe. Well, I know in
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that new book that just came outthat's been pumped by Corbel and George Knapp
was written by Calm kelling Her anda guy's name I can't pronounce something,
Lukaski. He I just thought thatit's coming this weekend. Yeah. Yeah,
he's the guy who ran one ofthe early Robert Bigelow run programs for
the US government on UFOs. Andone part in the book they kept talking
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about, which relates to what you'resaying, Melissa, is like, basically,
what they're saying in the book isthat the phenomenon is a technology designed
to manipulate and progress human culture froman individual level and a mass level.
So what you're saying would actually makesense, Like it's not as easy as
like, what are they doing whyare they appearing? And then suddenly,
like what you just said actually resonateswith me that that could be part of
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the answer, Like what and thenwhat does that do to that guy?
And then how does that affect thatpeople around him and what they think?
And it's just pushing us in ourconsciousness wider and wider. There's there's it's
so much more complicated and beautiful thanI than nuts and Bolt's ufology that leads
us to believe. I think that'sreally interesting and I don't know. That
guy's story is amazing. It's almostas fun as the the guy in China
banging the michelin man, remember thatstory. I do want to say one
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thing before you you get back intoit, though, because the other show
he's on is that big Netflix showEncounters, and it's just I got I
didn't watch that one episode of UFOWitness. I need to see it because
it Encounters. They don't go intoany of that. They literally do this.
He just brings up he's he wasa part of the group that saw
the gimbal and then he had thehitchhiker effect. And he doesn't bring up
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a lady. He just says therewas something in my bedroom and then and
then he lights up a cigarette,takes a huge puff, and they don't
talk about it anymore. Well,I just said, that's funny. Yeah,
they just it's too great that mainstream. You know. I was just
going to bring up though, it'slike it's very sexual. I feel like
you just finished the story. Hewas like, And then I came a
second time, you know, andthen you know what I mean, And
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she was thinking for more, soI came into her. What can I
say just on that topic, Josh, There was a bit more in that
in this article where he specifically talksabout a shadowy figure that turns up so.
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He says he would wake up inthe night and feel his bodies sliding
across the bed like they were takingme. He says, I felt a
hand grab my right arm here.I guess he was pointing to it.
So I went to try to raisemy hand to my face to try to
wipe the sleep away, and Irealized I couldn't move. I could just
see this outline of a shadowy figurewith a torso, two arms and a
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head standing over me. I knewwhen they started showing up in my room
all of this was real. MSo maybe this is this sounds different to
the to the Blue Lady. Yeah, I mean I think less sexy,
less sexy. I think that hestarted once those door had opened, other
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things were coming in, but hejust her to be good, you know.
So I can't remember all that,but I do remember a little bit
of the shadowy being part. Butbut I think the main part of what
I was interviewing him about was thisthis encounter with this this woman, which
to him was a positive thing.So I think like whatever whatever cracked in
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his psyche good annie evil kind ofopened up for him at the same time,
right just opened the gates and everythingstarted pouring through it. Yeah,
yeah, hmm, okay, Yeah, it's pretty crazy. What do you
What do you got, Matt?You got a fucking leopard stale? U
s on what's going on in yourstory? Are you wearing a leopard skin?
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Skin? This suit? Oconnor?That's what we need to now.
Yeah, it's crazy Budgie smugglers.Yeah. So I when I saw this
thing that we're going to talk about, I was like, oh, I'd
read that before, and then specificallyabout like the shadow person turning up and
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sort of warning him away. Iwould I guess I didn't want him away,
but just showing up after these events. And then I tried to look
up the story I was thinking aboutit, and no, sure enough,
it's similar, but it's a differentguy. This happened back in the fifties.
So I got the story of AlbertK. Bender, and he was
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a guy. He was like oneof the major UFO investigators back in the
fifties. After Roswell, he startedgoing hardcore into the stuff and was really
doing like amazing investigative work. Youknow. He was like really boots on
the ground, getting in there andlike talking to people and asking the right
questions and really sort of taking theUFO investigation field by storm, really sort
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of kicked it all off. SoBender founded what was called the IFSB,
the International Flying Saucer Bureau, andthis was in nineteen fifty three. He
was, like I said, oneof the top UFO investigators during the time.
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And he has this crazy paranormal experienceI can only call it paranormal that
basically made him just shut it alldown, stop doing it, and never
went back to it again. Sohere's his story. He comes home one
night, this is in fifty three, goes to his bedroom and suddenly three
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large dark shadow beings materialized at theback of the room. Three beings.
They're wearing there's like the classic hatman shadow people, so they get the
stets and fedora hats or whatever theyare, and he describes sort of the
outline of maybe them wearing sort ofthese dark trench coats as well. He
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describes them as having glowing red eyes. Classic and their appearance came with a
strong smell of sulfur in the room. That's bad. That's bad. Yeah,
so we're dealing with some badass shadowpeople here. These beings apparently communicated
with Bender via telepathy and warned himto knock it the fuck off any more
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research into UFOs. Stop it andhe was to immediately shut down the IFSB,
which I guess was kind of likea precursor to move on. Maybe
it was just kind of a reportingsystem for sightings and stuff. I'd never
heard of it before. But healso had this magazine called Space Review,
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which was more like growing more andmore exponentially in popularity, and it was
really sort of opening people's eyes tothe whole UFO phenomena. So he's quite
an influential guy at the time,and so I guess whatever he was getting
into triggered these beings to come downand just tell him to knock at the
fuck off. So the entities claimedto hail from a distant corner of the
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universe and confess to frequenting, ohmy god, frequenting Earth for an extended
period. There are ominous messages,included a startling admission. They said,
we have taken many humans from thisplanet to conceal our operations until we have
finished what we're doing. Basically,so I sort of pieced it together from
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a number of different places. TheWikipedia page was kind of really odd because
it had notes about the encounter thatobviously, you know with Wikipedia, don't
go into any detail whatsoever, justa lot of like jots down these like
ridiculous notes. And it's really difficultto track down, you know, more
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what he says, because he wrotea book about this, actually, and
it's really hard to find. SoI couldn't really dig too far more into
it, but I'll find it.I'll get there. Nevertheless, here is
here's a few extra points that theWikipedia notes. It says he received a
metal disc from them, and instructionone instruction don't know He reported that he
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felt like he was being transported inwhat way. It said these men apparently
shared insights into the nature of UFOsand the origin of UFOs with Bender.
What is that, I don't know, doesn't say. Afterwards, he became
deathly ill and didn't eat for threedays as a result of the visitation.
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Bender felt encouraged to share what hehad seen with other UFO investigators, but
was refused. I don't know whatthat means. This is just all on
this Wikipedia page. Like I said, Bender suffered frequent headaches after the three
men visited him, and his coworkersreported that he seemed terrified during the time.
So after this visitation, Bender became, like I said in that Wikipedia
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stuff, he came really ill,didn't eat for a few days, and
he said that these beings actually cameto visit him a number of more times
in the following days and would justfuck with him. Basically, they come
in and just give him this awful, tremendous headaches, like just shut him
down where he had to lie down, and basically would just fuck with him
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telepathically, just you know, buzzthings inside of his head, inside of
his mind and give him this Itsounds like it sounds like a government up.
That sounds like a government up.I don't know. This is early
fifties. They may may may havehad that technology at the time. So
yeah, I don't know, becausewe talked about that on an episode where
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they had the energy weapon that CIAofficers were getting it. It was it
was what was the term again,I can't remember, but if it's syndrome,
yeah, syndrome. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like that, except
the shadowy beans. We can't wecan't, you know, you can't create
those. Yeah, But I don'tknow. It's just like, but why
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why did he just get fucked withand not other people at the time that
we're looking into it, because hiswas because he was picking up more momentum,
I think. So it seemed tobe like he was super influential at
the time. He was like oneof the biggest And this was right,
like I said, like a fewyears after Ruswell was Ruswell for seven.
This is fifty three, and sohe really took the UFO scene by storm
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and really was the precursor to alot of different magazines and stuff that sort
of followed. And I guess hewas, you know, like I said,
pretty influential enough where he seemed tobe a threat to what I was
going on, and it kind ofhints at this, I'd love to find
this guy's book to sort of findout more about this, because this I'd
find the shit fascinating, especially thedark stuff. So his magazine, Space
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Review was official magazine about upology newsat the time. In nineteen fifty three,
the late summer of nineteen fifty three, Bender made a series of discoveries
which led him to believe that hehad finally found the truth to UFO cover
up. To the UFO cover upplanned. He had planned to reveal these
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findings in an October issue of SpaceReview, but before this issue was public,
Bender was visited by these three shadowmen who had somehow already read this
unpublished report of his findings. Andthis is pre internet, obviously, so
it's not like that. So hejust had it on his desk basically,
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and somehow they had got win thathe was publishing this, and so the
silencers, as he calls them,scared Bender to the point where he did
not publish the report, but lefta warning to other UFO researchers, and
he said this, we advise thoseengaged in sorcer work to please be very
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cautious. Bender from then on soundlike you know what they sound like.
To me, it's like a precursorto the Men in Black. I wonder
when the Men in Black story startedfirst coming out. It's what they're doing
is very men in black. Theyshow up, they're like, don't,
don't do it, and walk away. The men in black that are alien.
I'm not talking about the human onesthat Richard. I'm talking about the
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the real the old men in black. Yeah, go on, so Bend.
Bender would actually go on to referto these people as the men in
black. Oh look at me.This seems to be the first, one
of the first mentions of the actualterm men in black. Wow. God,
look, but there were shadow beings. Yeah so so Bender obviously did
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after that suspend publishing of his publicationand dissolve the IFSB, and then says
Bender did not speak of these eventsfor nine years. In nineteen sixty two,
Bender wrote Flying Sources and the ThreeMen to tell his story. This
is the book I'm trying to find. Oh yeah, probably going to be
three hundred dollars. We should findit. Yeah, it's going to be
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like some obscure like eBay. Yeah, and then it says like this final
final thing on Bender Bender went onto manage a motel in California, so
he just completely gave up on allthe UFO stuff, Like he was that
terrified by what happened. He wasjust like, you need to get into
the motel business, like now havedifferent kinds of flying saucers. It's interesting,
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that's cool. It was like theprecursor to the Men in Black and
also the precursor to kind of JohnKeel, you know in a sense.
Yeah, I think sorry as wellin a lot of ways. Yeah,
Keel got a bunch of warnings.This This sounded like really terribly like they
obviously had some physical sort of andmental you know, pain that he was
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feeling from these things. It wasn'tjust like a warning. It was like
it showed I guess they showed himwhat was the possibility, like, but
the headaches and the sickness that cameand all that sort of stuff. Yeah,
I'd be scared too. I'd bescared too. I mean, you
know, I wouldn't give up,but like I definitely you know, calling
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him a pussy, I'm just sayingno. But some of us just have
biggest swing in dicks than others.And I get that, a big,
big swinging dick. Really, guyslike these things are coming torture you at
night, and you'd be like,yeah, it's okay, it's all good,
let's keep going forward. No.No, this is over the top
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and confident, and that wouldn't botherme because I'm so deep in the space.
You kidding me. Every night Iget off to go to the bathroom,
like, oh my god, isthis the night the shadow people get
me? Like I please, I'mthe exact opposite. Please be the lady,
Please play the blue lay, Pleasebe the blue lady. Yeah,
I run from it. Calm down, poor man's torture. I have a
fake Testosterone's fun. I mean itjust it does. Uh. You know,
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obviously tactics have changed and people havechanged. But you know, in
nineteen fifty three, we don't evenknow what kind of technology the government had.
I'm not saying that they're not supernatural, but this is more of a
threat to the government than I thinkaliens. I'll be honest with you.
Yeah, I mean, I wonderthere's obviously the government warnings. In these
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warnings, I wonder if this waskind of pre dating whatever what was supposedly
the date that the US government supposedlymade a deal with these beings Eisenhower.
That was wonderful. That was aroundnineteen fifty three, wasn't it. So
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yeah, roughly the same time.But what do we know. We know
from David Grush's revelations that we hadcrashed Saucer from Italy in the thirties,
So just because Roswell happened in thelate forties doesn't mean they were already on
top of it. And we knowthe Trinity case was before Roswell anyways,
so maybe they already did have likesome sort of high tech high technology they
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were using to stop people. Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking
that this was uh pre dating,like the government's then involvement of like trying
to cover it up to you know, well, they were coming up right
in the moments what happened though,So I know what you're saying, that
complex, right, According to aformer government consultant, the FBI and President
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Eisenhower coordinated several meetings with alien lifeforms had a remote air base in New
Mexico in nineteen fifty four. Okay, so a little before, well interesting
a year later okay, mm hmm. I don't know why that is interesting,
but it is anyway, it's justthat same time period like after this,
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you know, mm hmm. Right, so yeah, that's interesting story.
Whatever it was behind this, thisthreat was like really went to town
on porl uh benda, right,really fucking okay. And then and then
they I think it's like, okay, so if we look at this like
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from a no on supernatural way forjust a second and we analyze it from
the point of like, okay,they didn't actually know how people would take
it. So he's a huge threat, right, He's a huge threat to
the government, like just coming offwith the stuff, right, and they
don't know how the people are goingto gravitate towards it, even if it's
getting popular. They kind of nowknow how people gravitate towards these things,
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and they know what kind of peopledo, and they know what your age
group is and how many times you'velooked at alien stuff, right, so
they have it all categorized now,like no men in black are coming after
you. They know who's doing whatnow all the time, and he was
looking into it. But back then, think about it, they didn't know,
like if this guy could ruin ourwhole plan of whatever we're fucking doing,
even if they were dealing with thealiens, like let's just say the
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aliens exist, but the government wasso afraid that people would find out that
the government knew about it that likethat was more of a fear because remember
I could try they contract people andremember his one thing he was going to
come out with was the cover up. Now like that will make that was
a specific thing. Yeah, yeah, that would kill the government plan,
whether they're dealing with aliens or they'rejust dealing with the situation and they don't
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want to know about it more thananything, No, it's not as fun.
I mean, it still could bethese supernatural dark beans, because I
mean we have a lot of peoplethat had these stories of these dark beings
that come into their rooms. Ohyeah, so I mean that's more than
you think, right, So,but I just think the timing, the
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timing is just so it just justoozes of, like, you know,
what was the government capable in nineteenfifty three of creating these situations? Right?
And really, what's a cosmic Canteenepisode with That's a wild speculation.
Exactly. Yeah, throw a bitaround, all right, throw it around,
Josh, throw it around, Josh, throw some stuff around first,
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all right, I got you guys. I think I got a nice dessert
to this meal. We just hadthis appetizer meal. I So most story
we bring up typical kind of warningsabout the abdectees go through, where the
world's ending, be better, theenvironment, don't use nukees, be a
better person. Matt's story has thenegative warnings get the hell out of ufology.
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That kind of like John Keel orother investigators have experienced in the past,
or just people have had these experiences. But you know, Josh,
he wants to do something a littlemore love and light to show you that
not everything's bad. It's not everything'swhat you think it is. So I
found this great website actually that justhas a lot of different stories involving shadow
people. It's called shadow people dotorg. And the reason why I think
some of these entries are credible atall is, I mean they're impossible to
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prove is because they're not like stories. They're literally just people writing down and
documenting what happened to them. Notwell written, and there's a lot of
them and it just kind of likeit's just as someone goes out of the
way to just be like, thiscrazy thing happened. It doesn't seem like
a writing piece. It just makesme wonder. It just gives a little
more credibility. So I'm not gonnago too deep into these stories other than
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I have these three kind of thingsI want to bring up. The show
that the sh out of People phenomenon, we'll definitely have some negative aspects to
it, depending on the being you'redealing with. Also, a lot of
shadow people might be directly related toUFOs, and then the other shadow people
something different. I think there's multipledifferent types of shadow people, but that's
interesting theory, right. And Ithink the one time I share with you
today quickly is that they're more likethe Mothman from the famous point pleasant kind
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of like they're heartbringers of doom,Like they show up to like warn you
or right before something bad happens,but not on the scale of Mothman.
More personally, not a large catastrophicevent, but something in your own life.
And not just that. They alsokind of feel like protectors, like
some people don't get bad vibes fromthem. So I want to start with
a quick one. Just a womanwho's from Saint Paul. This fifty one
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year old woman, I mean,has written in two thousand and nine,
so she's much older now. AndI'm just gonna explain she said she's seen
these things a few times. I'mgonna read what she said during one of
her experiences and just summarize kind ofhow she felt about it. So she's
in the kitchen daytime, and it'sreally right. So she says, quote,
I'm standing with my back to aroom at this kitchen counter, and
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I had the sun shining on mefrom a window in the dining room,
shining brightly on me where I stood. Suddenly, as though someone was peeking
around the corner to see who camehome, something moved in front of the
sun and blocked it out almost completely. I knew no one was home,
but thought maybe someone had a changeof schedule and was peeking in to see
who was home. But no.I turned to say hi, and there
was a seven foot tall three Dshadow guy, darker than the darkest,
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darkest and the darker than the darkestdark, long thin arms. The head
was oblong, very thin, extremelylong, which kind of kind of reminds
me of a gray just just likeblacked out. It was not like a
tall brage just standing at him lookingat her. She couldn't really make out
features. Now she goes on tokind of talk about how like nothing about
it was scary at all. Shefelt like she was being washed over,
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like it was a guardiane almost watchingher. She's had similar encounters with this
being. She felt the presence becausethat's terrifying. Yeah, right, but
she had a history to it though. It was another event where she she
just felt like something warmly was watchingher. There was no communication watching.
Yeah, so she just said welcometo my world out loud, and then
it never really said anything back.So she's had a lifelong stories with these
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things. So it's not all dark. Now, let's get to the more
interesting stories. That just kind ofsets up that's not always bad. It's
not always a Hollywood movie where you'regetting chased with a chainsaw by you know,
a shadow person, you know,God forbid, we have you know,
something good happens in this world.So all right, So the second
story gets even more interesting. Thisis from Gina and oh and Gina,
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Now I can't think this seriously.The rest of the damn story. So
that's the story. And this iswhen it gets into more like foreshadowing and
and like being in a harboringer ofsome sort. So she apparently had multiple
interactions with this being, which isalso a theme which suggests more alien abduction
than paranormal. I guess maybe I'mspeaking about a certain type of shadow person,
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and this is what she says.Okay. The last time that I
saw him was the night before mygrandfather had died. Interesting, that's always
a man. You don't see womenshadow people. He came in to me
in the living room that night.I was sleeping off there, off and
on for a while. When hehad come to me, I had woken
up and he was standing above mewith his head tilt to the side,
just staring at me. I closedmy eyes and fell asleep. And the
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next day I received the call thatmy grandfather had died. I haven't seen
my shadow man in a while,but I believe that he is my alarm
against harm. The only times heseems to show up is when something bad
is about to happen in my life. Eh God, So what is that
though? I mean, he's notlike, is he doing it? He's
not doing anything to you. He'skind of like your friend, is he
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a s guardian angels an alien checkingin on a big life moment before it
happens to you. Like, hedoesn't even say anything. He doesn't like
give her a hug or anything.He's like, I'm here, bad things
are happening, blah blah blah.Yeah, he definitely could take the angle.
It's not good at all. Butit's kind of like the Mothman.
The Mothman didn't hurt you one.It just kind of s up to watching
chaos and sue, you know,like I don't know, maybe it's just
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like watching a movie to these people. Okay, so this the third story
and the last one I have hereis similar. It kind of nails the
point home about kind of like theyshow up to be a harbinger of some
sort. Am I saying that wordright? Harbinger? Harborer? Yeah.
So this story is from anonymous sourcein twenty eleven, and everyone who finds
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this website, by the way,I writes these stories as super happy it
exists. They're like, oh mygod, I can't believe I have a
place to write down what happened tome. And just like her. She
had multiple experiences and with her husbandin the room, you know, not
nice. You know, definitely likesomething's touching me. There's something that the
shadow people in front of me.They're grabbing my feet, that type of
stuff. But then I want toread you this this one part. Okay,
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so that doesn't matter. The creepystuff in the bedroom doesn't matter.
Here's the part I want you toknow. So the shadow finger had visited
on a Thursday night. Friday,I had gone to the doctors and messaged
my best friend. On Saturday,Saturday, late afternoon, my best friend
was killed in a car accident.He died from a severed a order.
Severe chest and lung damage had occurred, and his feet, the tops of
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his shoes were stuck under the frontdash toes, God pointed, So it
was very very so, she goes, I don't know about you, but
I think there was a warning ofwhat was to come. It served the
purpose though in my mind, becauseI had spoken to him the day before
he died, thinking there was somethingwrong with my health. I told him
how important he was to me andhow much I appreciated his friendship. So
I skipped over some stuff that ledup to that moment, but look at
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what it did. It like madesomehow indirectly made her reach out to her
friend and then her friend died.Like what is that? That's like very
guardian, Angelly. We just likehave this perception it should be like an
eight winged creature in all light,but something deeper is going on there.
And I just found it fascinating thatthere's actually a lot of stories like this.
Now, this site has a lotof just dark, fucked up,
scary shit, but these stories reallypoint to my whole thesis on the phenomenon
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overall. It's like, it's noteasy and it's definitely scary sometimes, but
it's not necessarily bad. And Ido want to and this with one thing
I want to say the people whoalso listen to Weaponized Podcast and other podcasts
in that book that we reference inthe beginning that's coming out with by Calm
Kellen hur and Lakski whatever his nameis. Lakaski goes out of his way.
He doesn't say a lot. He'spissed off a lot of people on
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the UFO Twitter because he wouldn't admittedanything other than like the government definitely has
been inside UFOs and has him,and he said a couple of other things.
He's confirming stuff. He's stonewalled alot. He's definitely stonewalled. But
what he did go out of hisway twice out of nowhere to be like,
I don't think it's that bad,guys. If anything, I think
it's positive. I don't think wehave something to worry about. I don't
know if it's a threat. Likethey pushed him on the threat stuff,
and he's like, listen, Idon't know really what that means. I
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guess like flying in our airspace andrunning into something is a threat. I
get it, but like, isit a threat? I don't think so.
And when he says that he can'tsay anything right, he clearly knows
a lot more than he should say. But he was very like, don't
worry. It's probably not what youthink is not bad. But it's,
in my opinion, very complicated becausewhen I said that out loud, there's
probably experiences listening to this podcast rightnow saying to themselves like, fuck you,
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gosh, my shit was crazy andI'm fucked up from it, and
I know my heart goes out toyou, and I'm not saying your experience
is not real or not warranted inany way. I'm just saying it's complicated,
and there's definitely wild transformations and positiveangles to all this as well,
and I just think we need toopen our minds and allow all the information
and to make an overall opinion.And it's easy for me, as someone
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who hasn't been through the trauma ofit, to kind of look for a
bird's eye view through John Max's workto the research we do to kind of
paint a picture of what's really happening. But believe me, if suddenly I
woke up in the morning, Iwas like shit, I was on a
ship. They were holding me downdoing medical procedures. I got jerked off
by a michelin Man, I wouldbe like fucking terrified. So my heart
goes out to you. But I'mjust trying to say, like, I
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mean, you're alive. Most ofthese people, once they get through the
trauma, are able to improve theirlives. There's something else going on,
And back to that quote about thephenomenon being some sort of cultural shifting,
evolving phenomenon or technology, And Ijust want to leave you with that.
Yeah, And I and I thinkI mean it's you know, it allows
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it's a different view. So Ithink it's I think it's I think if
we start to look at these things, uh, like you're saying, Josh
as as a way to show thatthat we have the abilities to understand what
they're doing. We just don't understandhow the universe works. So these things
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are like prompting us, uh inwhatever way. Not. I mean,
definitely there's some terrifying moments. Uh. They could have a they could have
learned some manners here on earth onhow to communicate. I think that one
might be a little bit better.But right like in the middle of the
night in your bedroom, Like that'sthe worst possible time to talk to us,
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Like why why now I need tofucking sleep? What the fuck do
you want? Can we talk aboutthis at breakfast time? Your friend?
Oh my god, let me havea cup of coffee, let me take
my morning dump, and then let'schat like what's going on? Yeah,
exactly exactly. So it's like thislike breaking in time and space where somebody's
trying to poke us so that wekeep asking questions about like how things are
(45:07):
done, how things are made?Like, yeah, you know, am
I part of that? Do Ihave a connection to those questions that people
are asking themselves, like if wethink about at the beginning of this podcast,
Matthew Roberts in his story the wholegimbal thing cracked him wide open to
where he's getting all sorts of experiences, but through the experience he started to
understand how things work. Now,I don't want that. I'd just rather
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have a talk or like like adownloaded dream of weird things that can sketch
and I'll figure it out. Butlike, right, yeah, I don't
know. Some people need more.As John Max said, it's like a
shamanic initiation. It might be terrible, but at the end of it,
it's better for you. It's goodfor you in some way. Well,
I was just gonna say, it'slike ayahuasca, like you've got to go
through the purge, however uncomfortable thatis to begin with, before you start
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getting through the the good stuff,Like you're gonna shit and fucking throw up
your brain before you Yeah, physicallyand metaphorically, yep, I agree.
Now I see a demon Now everythingworks out. Yeah, I guess so
my asco is like that. Yeah, I don't know. The human brain
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is so crazy. You can gothrough such a horrific time. I was
just reading an article about when peoplefall in love and then they fall out
of love and they have like atumultuous relationship and they get out of it
and they start dotting other people andlike years will pass and that person will
only remember the good things about areally terrible relationship and they'll be like,
(46:35):
yeah, it wasn't that bad,you know. And I obviously that was
like a whole psychology thing about relationshipsand how people categorize things because they actually
don't want to hold onto the badmemories. They have trauma that they don't
know where it comes from, butthey hope they like to have this memory.
So I thought of that when Ihear about people's encounters with things,
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and how when they talk about it, they're like, it wasn't that bad.
I mean, yeah, I gotpoked in the ass couple of times,
and you know, it wasn't thatbad. I was in college,
so whatever was it? I don'tknow. It's pretty fascinating. I think.
I think if we really start tolook at this as like something's trying
to get our attention so that wecan understand what our part is in it,
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instead of just being victims of somethingthat has seemingly more power than us,
and I think that's the bigger storythat I think we all need to
start entertaining to really figure this out. I don't know what do you guys
think here here. I agree witheverything you're saying. I think we had
a holistic, not black and whiteapproach this and think that I think we're
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on the right track. Honestly,guys, I do really do it.
My own opinion on this podcast hasevolved over the years, and I think
I'm growing and the phenomenon is affectingme and I'm not even an experiencer,
you know, So I just Ireally think for me, this podcast in
some sense is the phenomenon because it'sopening me up to new ideas and I
think, run the guys, awesome. Yeah, we just need a TV
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show where we can go investigate things, come to people's towns, and uh,
we just do more time to beable to be able to get a
show out holding us back. Yeah, yeah, we're all right. Everybody,
have a great night. Make surethat if you do encounter non human
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entities, please sketch what they looklike. Yeah, wow, and please
do try. I'm not even gonnasay that. Never mind, don't worry
about that. Just sketch him,just sketch him all the details, how
long it was, what they lookedlike. Okay, everybody, that's it.
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I they please report back to whatwe want to know. Have a
good night. We'll talk to younext week. Goodbye,
This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'reheating the warning of the Fourth cont from
saucy encounters with blue alien babes tonocturnal meetings with shadow people, both helpful
and terrifying. If they're trying towarn us, we're listening. So take
a bracing shot of courage and joinus for an all new Cosmic Cantina.
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I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,and every week I go to my favorite
bar, Cosmic Cantina, and kickbackwith my co hosts, Josh Golumbuski and
Matt O'Connor. We talk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,
and anything from the unseen world thatneeds a little illumination. Welcome to Cosmic
(00:45):
Cantina. I'm your host, MelissaTittle, and tonight I'm drinking water again.
I am up in the mountains andI had a little too much tequila
last night and my hangover was terrible. Sorry, I'll still rally. Don't
worry. What do you got?Look, I'm drinking the last of the
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summer ales, my last couple ofmodellos before I switch over to the winter
Dhaka Bears, and I put onan extra five pounds because of those calorie
ridden buggers. But I'm living inthe summer dream right now before it gets
cold. Cheers dream, that's ourtheme song. Get ready people, it's
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coming next season. Tonight. I'mdrinking what is labeled exactly it's called Japanese
saki. I'm not just saying thatliterally, that's literally what it's called.
I'm on a saki kick because it'sgluten free. We know this about Josh
now and it's actually pretty summy.Cold saki. People don't drink hot saki.
That's just because it's so bad theyhave to heat it up. Cold
saki is the way go high end, don't be cheap. Welcome to the
(01:53):
saki Revolution. Yeah, it justfeels good when it's warm because it's cold
outside. But yes, you're right, sure I get that in the winter.
No, it's just classy or coldthough. But I'm excited, folks.
We've got a good show tonight.We've got some weird stuff and some
insight and I'm ready to party.Let's do this. Yeahoo, speaking of
cold, did you fear a coldbrush or your room gets cold because there's
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a paranormal entity, non human entityin your room? Has that ever happened
to you. Oh I'm sure,yes, the Matt for sure. Yeah
that's right. Yeah, yeah,real serious, real quick, come on
this here, guys. I justneed a ruck on the floor in a
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fatal position for a second. Everything'sgonna be fun, all right. So
we're really talking about these encounters whathappens afterwards, Like, uh, for
instance, we have we have nonhuman entities. We have some paranormal stories
of encounters where they encounter something andthen they're kind of haunted by it.
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And we know that a lot ofyou listening have these experiences. You reached
out to me with some of them, and they're super creepy. But we
just think we've done a lot ofalien stuff. Doesn't mean we're not going
to touch on it, but youknow, we want to remind people there's
some creepy shit out there, andwe're getting close to Halloween. We got
to amp it up. Yeah.And it's all related too, I feel
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like right, I do too.The parole and the aliens and the UFOs,
it's all related. If you watchCode twelve of the movie on Amazon,
I just if there's five stars nice. You know, we're all living
in some kind of matrix and weall exist in the same spot, including
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ghosts and you know, paranormal activityand entities. But anyway, onto our
show, so I came across thisnews article that's titled Navy officers saw non
human entities in his bedroom after gimbalUFO encounter, and I realized that the
Navy intelligence officer was somebody I interviewedon UFO witness. So I went through
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the article. Basically they were theywere talking about how he had an experience,
which I'll talk about my experience withhim. He had an experience where
he was on the USS Roosevelt whenthe gimbal happened. He's a Naval intelligence
officer on the ship. They havethis report come in him and a small
group of people are the ones inthe inside talking about the gimbal. Not
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everybody on the ship is talking aboutthe gimbal. There's definitely people who saw
it, but not everybody on theship is talking about this or saw it.
So he's kind of in this smallgroup. And then he goes home,
gets off the ship, you know, goes back to his house.
You know, he's not on dutyat the USES Roosevelt, and he starts
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being visited by a non human entity. And he started getting communication from this
non human entity while he was onthe show, but he didn't really connect
anything to it, you know.You know, he was telling me that,
you know, most of his lifehe never thought about life after death.
He you know, everything was prettyblack and white. He's not the
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religious guy. He's not like,you know, there's things that happened,
and he didn't believe in anything atall. And so when this gimbal situation
happened, it kind of like kindof struck his psyche a little bit.
He's like, I was really shookit up because if this was true,
if this really was a non humanintelligence that we were dealing with on the
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US's Roosevelt, then what about allthe other things I've never thought about?
Right? So he kind of likecracked a little bit, kind of a
spiritual awaking in a sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just kind of
like what am I supposed to believein? What am I supposed to think?
Now? You know type of thing. So his name is Matthew Roberts.
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So this this article is it's onand I think Wes or something because
they just did a new show withhim. But on UFO Witness, I
personally interviewed him just by myself becausethe story is pretty crazy. So he
gets visited by this blue bean thisbut she's a woman, and she kind
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of like harasses him, like youknow, it's kind of like, uh
yeah, I keep going, yeah, super hot, keep your pants on,
matt Oh, I'm sorry. It'slike full on what's that movie in
the eighties, like Stalker movie?Likes full on Stalker movie. Like she's
always in his bedroom, like,hello, Matthew, I'm here again in
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my blue suit. Okay, thisis so she starts telling him, you
know, she basically forces herself onhim. They have sexual relations. Okay,
episodes, that's what you chose.First they had the intercourse theses and
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he was like, oh no,please stop, blue lady. I don't
want this anymore. Yeah, Igot scared. I don't know what to
do. What do I say?Okay? Right, so so okay,
I have to say. You knowwhat was really So the producers of the
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show, they I through out UFOWitness. If if anybody's listening is watch
euph Witness. I have this notebook, but I take everywhere that I am
like writing things down and people drawthings and and then you know, at
the end of the show, wetake all the notes and like we're like,
here's our conclusion, right, andso this is like one of my
first interviews. So the notebook,they the producers like ask him to draw
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like what the woman looked like ontop of him, and I'm like,
I mean, I got to holdit together, but I'm like, well,
what is it, like, whatis it going to look like?
What? Like, I don't know. It's all like we don't need picture
of you fucking an alien that wouldbe great. So I'm like, you
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know, seriously, like can youdraw what she looks like, you know,
when she was you know, withyou, you know, sexual relations
whatever. And so he draws likeher body naked mostly except she has a
top with like zigzags on it,you know, like a like a bando
top with zigzags, and the bruisersare like talk about what the zigzags mean,
(08:30):
and I'm like, dude, likeit's just fashion, just alien fashion
naked. She's probably naked. He'snot going to draw two tits on like
TV, you know. Anyway,It's just like a very uncomfortable thing because
he was very emotional, and that'swhy, like I think something really happened
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to this guy over and over againwith this woman, and she, you
know, I would do stuff withhim, and she'd tell him about things
like that he never that he knowsdidn't come from his psyche, because he
started to think, like am Icrazy? Like what's happening to me?
But she kind of gave him thisstructure of like where she's from, and
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like like what planet and how youget there and how the universe is structured
like stuff like he's a pretty smartguy as a Navy intelligence officer, but
but there was stuff that like hedid know, and he went and looked
it up and he thought, Okay, that's where did I get that from?
Some different pillowtalk right there? Theseworks. Yeah, this isn't doing
it for me. Lady it down. No one cares if you're smart,
(09:37):
all right? So okay, Soanother thing in the interview was, you
know, like what was she like, like, you know, since you
were touching her, like what didshe feel like? And he said that
she had like this like rubbery skinthat kind of felt like a cat suit.
And I was like, that's it'spretty hot, you know, cat
suit. I'm not turned off rightnow. So this isn't so bad,
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like this blue like this blue kindof like rubbery skin, and she just
like would appear any like not.And then as this went on for like
three years, I think like wherehe and her were having this relationship and
you know, like most people inthese cases, like he doesn't get taken
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into a ship or anything, hejust has this like she just appears and
like you know, throws herself athim. Did you describe her face?
No, it was like kind ofblurred out like it was It's like it
was like there was a shape toher, but then it wasn't. It
was like constantly like in flow,okay, son looking big eyed kind of
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Yeah, that's the other thing Iwas gonna say, yeah, yeah,
yeah, like an inter dimensional beingthat was trying to take the form of
a bean. But yeah, Idon't know, Yeah, I got really
detailed with that, Like was herface look like like you know, just
ship horns? Like what you know, what happening? But God, I've
just awakened so many brand new kinksnow that I didn't even know existed.
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Carry on, I'll deal with it. Carry on. So, like she
starts appearing to him like outside thebedroom, like during the daytime, you
know, like that kind of thing, not in front of his wife.
Surely that's tough to explain. Idon't think he No, I don't think
so unless he is, if youcan say anything, but he then he
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then she then comes to him andsays, you know, after like three
years or something like that, likeyou have a child, and this is
your child, and that she thatlike she she made she wanted to mate
with him basically to have this hybridchild. And yeah, anyway, is
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he paying for that now? Yeah, he's paying for it with like energetic
exchange. So I guess, like, you know, he he falls into
that camp of like after after acertain amount of time, you just kind
of like are okay with it,You're like okay, fine, like we're
together, Like he kind of talkedlike they were still together, like you
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know, she's you know, herand I are in a relationship type of
thing. I think it was,you know, I hear that from a
lot of people that have like abductionexperiences. It gets common in literature,
especially in the research, people endup feeling like they have a relationship with
their significant other man woman, woman, man with the other entity. That's
really common. Yeah, and didshe like, so he has this relationship
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with it. Did she ever kindof give him any sort of dire wanting
to stop talking about it or anythinglike that. No, none of it
at all, but that it's like, you know, the same message we
always hear from people who get abducted. It's very important that you understand what
I'm telling you because the world isn'tstraights and we're here to save humanity and
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blah blah blah. I like,I don't know one abduction experience, maybe
a couple that didn't have this kindof like you know, ode to you
know, we're doing this because we'retrying to help you type of thing.
You know. So he definitely hadthat experience with her and still having that
experience with her. I'm not surewhere it's at. And it's been like
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a year and a half now sinceI've interviewed him and now he's on this
new show. But I think likethere's a couple of things that are really
interesting to me, and I knowyou guys have a lot of really interesting
stuff that you've brought up with peoplewho have experiences. Now I want to
make a connection. So we havethis really big UFO encounter happening. We
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have this this gimbal situation, right, which we all know, we've seen
the footage. This is pretty bigthis, this is happening. This is
two thousand and four. Navy triesto hide it for a while. This
comes out twenty nineteen, right,twenty twenty, twenty nineteen twenty, where
they're like they get this unexplained thing. So he's on the ship. He's
in the small group of people thatknow about it on the ship, right,
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like, yeah, that's pretty big, right, And he's like I
asked him things about it, youknow, and I was like, okay,
well what happened at the ship,like when you found out about it,
you know, like like like journalistquestions like okay, so then what
was it like? But he wouldn'tanswer any of those at all. Like
he's like, I can't talk aboutwhat my job was on the ship.
I can't tell you that. LikeI can't tell you what happened next,
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I can't tell you know, verylike he's still very like military. So
after this happens, and he hasa psychological crack a little bit because he
starts to really think about what doesthis all mean? He then becomes involved
in this non human entity situation immediatelyafter Oh yeah, the hitchhiker effect.
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Yeah exactly. It's like, now, think about it, What if all
of these events are trying to createcracks in our psyche so that things can
actually connect with us more than they'reactually landing and connecting with us that way.
I don't know, just I justthought of that. Yeah, crazy,
that would go on the interdimensional thingmaybe. Well, I know in
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that new book that just came outthat's been pumped by Corbel and George Knapp
was written by Calm kelling Her anda guy's name I can't pronounce something,
Lukaski. He I just thought thatit's coming this weekend. Yeah. Yeah,
he's the guy who ran one ofthe early Robert Bigelow run programs for
the US government on UFOs. Andone part in the book they kept talking
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about, which relates to what you'resaying, Melissa, is like, basically,
what they're saying in the book isthat the phenomenon is a technology designed
to manipulate and progress human culture froman individual level and a mass level.
So what you're saying would actually makesense, Like it's not as easy as
like, what are they doing whyare they appearing? And then suddenly,
like what you just said actually resonateswith me that that could be part of
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the answer, Like what and thenwhat does that do to that guy?
And then how does that affect thatpeople around him and what they think?
And it's just pushing us in ourconsciousness wider and wider. There's there's it's
so much more complicated and beautiful thanI than nuts and Bolt's ufology that leads
us to believe. I think that'sreally interesting and I don't know. That
guy's story is amazing. It's almostas fun as the the guy in China
banging the michelin man, remember thatstory. I do want to say one
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thing before you you get back intoit, though, because the other show
he's on is that big Netflix showEncounters, and it's just I got I
didn't watch that one episode of UFOWitness. I need to see it because
it Encounters. They don't go intoany of that. They literally do this.
He just brings up he's he wasa part of the group that saw
the gimbal and then he had thehitchhiker effect. And he doesn't bring up
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a lady. He just says therewas something in my bedroom and then and
then he lights up a cigarette,takes a huge puff, and they don't
talk about it anymore. Well,I just said, that's funny. Yeah,
they just it's too great that mainstream. You know. I was just
going to bring up though, it'slike it's very sexual. I feel like
you just finished the story. Hewas like, And then I came a
second time, you know, andthen you know what I mean, And
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she was thinking for more, soI came into her. What can I
say just on that topic, Josh, There was a bit more in that
in this article where he specifically talksabout a shadowy figure that turns up so.
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He says he would wake up inthe night and feel his bodies sliding
across the bed like they were takingme. He says, I felt a
hand grab my right arm here.I guess he was pointing to it.
So I went to try to raisemy hand to my face to try to
wipe the sleep away, and Irealized I couldn't move. I could just
see this outline of a shadowy figurewith a torso, two arms and a
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head standing over me. I knewwhen they started showing up in my room
all of this was real. MSo maybe this is this sounds different to
the to the Blue Lady. Yeah, I mean I think less sexy,
less sexy. I think that hestarted once those door had opened, other
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things were coming in, but hejust her to be good, you know.
So I can't remember all that,but I do remember a little bit
of the shadowy being part. Butbut I think the main part of what
I was interviewing him about was thisthis encounter with this this woman, which
to him was a positive thing.So I think like whatever whatever cracked in
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his psyche good annie evil kind ofopened up for him at the same time,
right just opened the gates and everythingstarted pouring through it. Yeah,
yeah, hmm, okay, Yeah, it's pretty crazy. What do you
What do you got, Matt?You got a fucking leopard stale? U
s on what's going on in yourstory? Are you wearing a leopard skin?
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Skin? This suit? Oconnor?That's what we need to now.
Yeah, it's crazy Budgie smugglers.Yeah. So I when I saw this
thing that we're going to talk about, I was like, oh, I'd
read that before, and then specificallyabout like the shadow person turning up and
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sort of warning him away. Iwould I guess I didn't want him away,
but just showing up after these events. And then I tried to look
up the story I was thinking aboutit, and no, sure enough,
it's similar, but it's a differentguy. This happened back in the fifties.
So I got the story of AlbertK. Bender, and he was
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a guy. He was like oneof the major UFO investigators back in the
fifties. After Roswell, he startedgoing hardcore into the stuff and was really
doing like amazing investigative work. Youknow. He was like really boots on
the ground, getting in there andlike talking to people and asking the right
questions and really sort of taking theUFO investigation field by storm, really sort
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of kicked it all off. SoBender founded what was called the IFSB,
the International Flying Saucer Bureau, andthis was in nineteen fifty three. He
was, like I said, oneof the top UFO investigators during the time.
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And he has this crazy paranormal experienceI can only call it paranormal that
basically made him just shut it alldown, stop doing it, and never
went back to it again. Sohere's his story. He comes home one
night, this is in fifty three, goes to his bedroom and suddenly three
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large dark shadow beings materialized at theback of the room. Three beings.
They're wearing there's like the classic hatman shadow people, so they get the
stets and fedora hats or whatever theyare, and he describes sort of the
outline of maybe them wearing sort ofthese dark trench coats as well. He
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describes them as having glowing red eyes. Classic and their appearance came with a
strong smell of sulfur in the room. That's bad. That's bad. Yeah,
so we're dealing with some badass shadowpeople here. These beings apparently communicated
with Bender via telepathy and warned himto knock it the fuck off any more
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research into UFOs. Stop it andhe was to immediately shut down the IFSB,
which I guess was kind of likea precursor to move on. Maybe
it was just kind of a reportingsystem for sightings and stuff. I'd never
heard of it before. But healso had this magazine called Space Review,
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which was more like growing more andmore exponentially in popularity, and it was
really sort of opening people's eyes tothe whole UFO phenomena. So he's quite
an influential guy at the time,and so I guess whatever he was getting
into triggered these beings to come downand just tell him to knock at the
fuck off. So the entities claimedto hail from a distant corner of the
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universe and confess to frequenting, ohmy god, frequenting Earth for an extended
period. There are ominous messages,included a startling admission. They said,
we have taken many humans from thisplanet to conceal our operations until we have
finished what we're doing. Basically,so I sort of pieced it together from
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a number of different places. TheWikipedia page was kind of really odd because
it had notes about the encounter thatobviously, you know with Wikipedia, don't
go into any detail whatsoever, justa lot of like jots down these like
ridiculous notes. And it's really difficultto track down, you know, more
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what he says, because he wrotea book about this, actually, and
it's really hard to find. SoI couldn't really dig too far more into
it, but I'll find it.I'll get there. Nevertheless, here is
here's a few extra points that theWikipedia notes. It says he received a
metal disc from them, and instructionone instruction don't know He reported that he
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felt like he was being transported inwhat way. It said these men apparently
shared insights into the nature of UFOsand the origin of UFOs with Bender.
What is that, I don't know, doesn't say. Afterwards, he became
deathly ill and didn't eat for threedays as a result of the visitation.
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Bender felt encouraged to share what hehad seen with other UFO investigators, but
was refused. I don't know whatthat means. This is just all on
this Wikipedia page. Like I said, Bender suffered frequent headaches after the three
men visited him, and his coworkersreported that he seemed terrified during the time.
So after this visitation, Bender became, like I said in that Wikipedia
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stuff, he came really ill,didn't eat for a few days, and
he said that these beings actually cameto visit him a number of more times
in the following days and would justfuck with him. Basically, they come
in and just give him this awful, tremendous headaches, like just shut him
down where he had to lie down, and basically would just fuck with him
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telepathically, just you know, buzzthings inside of his head, inside of
his mind and give him this Itsounds like it sounds like a government up.
That sounds like a government up.I don't know. This is early
fifties. They may may may havehad that technology at the time. So
yeah, I don't know, becausewe talked about that on an episode where
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they had the energy weapon that CIAofficers were getting it. It was it
was what was the term again,I can't remember, but if it's syndrome,
yeah, syndrome. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like that, except
the shadowy beans. We can't wecan't, you know, you can't create
those. Yeah, But I don'tknow. It's just like, but why
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why did he just get fucked withand not other people at the time that
we're looking into it, because hiswas because he was picking up more momentum,
I think. So it seemed tobe like he was super influential at
the time. He was like oneof the biggest And this was right,
like I said, like a fewyears after Ruswell was Ruswell for seven.
This is fifty three, and sohe really took the UFO scene by storm
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and really was the precursor to alot of different magazines and stuff that sort
of followed. And I guess hewas, you know, like I said,
pretty influential enough where he seemed tobe a threat to what I was
going on, and it kind ofhints at this, I'd love to find
this guy's book to sort of findout more about this, because this I'd
find the shit fascinating, especially thedark stuff. So his magazine, Space
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Review was official magazine about upology newsat the time. In nineteen fifty three,
the late summer of nineteen fifty three, Bender made a series of discoveries
which led him to believe that hehad finally found the truth to UFO cover
up. To the UFO cover upplanned. He had planned to reveal these
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findings in an October issue of SpaceReview, but before this issue was public,
Bender was visited by these three shadowmen who had somehow already read this
unpublished report of his findings. Andthis is pre internet, obviously, so
it's not like that. So hejust had it on his desk basically,
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and somehow they had got win thathe was publishing this, and so the
silencers, as he calls them,scared Bender to the point where he did
not publish the report, but lefta warning to other UFO researchers, and
he said this, we advise thoseengaged in sorcer work to please be very
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cautious. Bender from then on soundlike you know what they sound like.
To me, it's like a precursorto the Men in Black. I wonder
when the Men in Black story startedfirst coming out. It's what they're doing
is very men in black. Theyshow up, they're like, don't,
don't do it, and walk away. The men in black that are alien.
I'm not talking about the human onesthat Richard. I'm talking about the
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the real the old men in black. Yeah, go on, so Bend.
Bender would actually go on to referto these people as the men in
black. Oh look at me.This seems to be the first, one
of the first mentions of the actualterm men in black. Wow. God,
look, but there were shadow beings. Yeah so so Bender obviously did
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after that suspend publishing of his publicationand dissolve the IFSB, and then says
Bender did not speak of these eventsfor nine years. In nineteen sixty two,
Bender wrote Flying Sources and the ThreeMen to tell his story. This
is the book I'm trying to find. Oh yeah, probably going to be
three hundred dollars. We should findit. Yeah, it's going to be
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like some obscure like eBay. Yeah, and then it says like this final
final thing on Bender Bender went onto manage a motel in California, so
he just completely gave up on allthe UFO stuff, Like he was that
terrified by what happened. He wasjust like, you need to get into
the motel business, like now havedifferent kinds of flying saucers. It's interesting,
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that's cool. It was like theprecursor to the Men in Black and
also the precursor to kind of JohnKeel, you know in a sense.
Yeah, I think sorry as wellin a lot of ways. Yeah,
Keel got a bunch of warnings.This This sounded like really terribly like they
obviously had some physical sort of andmental you know, pain that he was
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feeling from these things. It wasn'tjust like a warning. It was like
it showed I guess they showed himwhat was the possibility, like, but
the headaches and the sickness that cameand all that sort of stuff. Yeah,
I'd be scared too. I'd bescared too. I mean, you
know, I wouldn't give up,but like I definitely you know, calling
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him a pussy, I'm just sayingno. But some of us just have
biggest swing in dicks than others.And I get that, a big,
big swinging dick. Really, guyslike these things are coming torture you at
night, and you'd be like,yeah, it's okay, it's all good,
let's keep going forward. No.No, this is over the top
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and confident, and that wouldn't botherme because I'm so deep in the space.
You kidding me. Every night Iget off to go to the bathroom,
like, oh my god, isthis the night the shadow people get
me? Like I please, I'mthe exact opposite. Please be the lady,
Please play the blue lay, Pleasebe the blue lady. Yeah,
I run from it. Calm down, poor man's torture. I have a
fake Testosterone's fun. I mean itjust it does. Uh. You know,
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obviously tactics have changed and people havechanged. But you know, in
nineteen fifty three, we don't evenknow what kind of technology the government had.
I'm not saying that they're not supernatural, but this is more of a
threat to the government than I thinkaliens. I'll be honest with you.
Yeah, I mean, I wonderthere's obviously the government warnings. In these
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warnings, I wonder if this waskind of pre dating whatever what was supposedly
the date that the US government supposedlymade a deal with these beings Eisenhower.
That was wonderful. That was aroundnineteen fifty three, wasn't it. So
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yeah, roughly the same time.But what do we know. We know
from David Grush's revelations that we hadcrashed Saucer from Italy in the thirties,
So just because Roswell happened in thelate forties doesn't mean they were already on
top of it. And we knowthe Trinity case was before Roswell anyways,
so maybe they already did have likesome sort of high tech high technology they
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were using to stop people. Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking
that this was uh pre dating,like the government's then involvement of like trying
to cover it up to you know, well, they were coming up right
in the moments what happened though,So I know what you're saying, that
complex, right, According to aformer government consultant, the FBI and President
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Eisenhower coordinated several meetings with alien lifeforms had a remote air base in New
Mexico in nineteen fifty four. Okay, so a little before, well interesting
a year later okay, mm hmm. I don't know why that is interesting,
but it is anyway, it's justthat same time period like after this,
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you know, mm hmm. Right, so yeah, that's interesting story.
Whatever it was behind this, thisthreat was like really went to town
on porl uh benda, right,really fucking okay. And then and then
they I think it's like, okay, so if we look at this like
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from a no on supernatural way forjust a second and we analyze it from
the point of like, okay,they didn't actually know how people would take
it. So he's a huge threat, right, He's a huge threat to
the government, like just coming offwith the stuff, right, and they
don't know how the people are goingto gravitate towards it, even if it's
getting popular. They kind of nowknow how people gravitate towards these things,
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and they know what kind of peopledo, and they know what your age
group is and how many times you'velooked at alien stuff, right, so
they have it all categorized now,like no men in black are coming after
you. They know who's doing whatnow all the time, and he was
looking into it. But back then, think about it, they didn't know,
like if this guy could ruin ourwhole plan of whatever we're fucking doing,
even if they were dealing with thealiens, like let's just say the
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aliens exist, but the government wasso afraid that people would find out that
the government knew about it that likethat was more of a fear because remember
I could try they contract people andremember his one thing he was going to
come out with was the cover up. Now like that will make that was
a specific thing. Yeah, yeah, that would kill the government plan,
whether they're dealing with aliens or they'rejust dealing with the situation and they don't
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want to know about it more thananything, No, it's not as fun.
I mean, it still could bethese supernatural dark beans, because I
mean we have a lot of peoplethat had these stories of these dark beings
that come into their rooms. Ohyeah, so I mean that's more than
you think, right, So,but I just think the timing, the
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timing is just so it just justoozes of, like, you know,
what was the government capable in nineteenfifty three of creating these situations? Right?
And really, what's a cosmic Canteenepisode with That's a wild speculation.
Exactly. Yeah, throw a bitaround, all right, throw it around,
Josh, throw it around, Josh, throw some stuff around first,
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all right, I got you guys. I think I got a nice dessert
to this meal. We just hadthis appetizer meal. I So most story
we bring up typical kind of warningsabout the abdectees go through, where the
world's ending, be better, theenvironment, don't use nukees, be a
better person. Matt's story has thenegative warnings get the hell out of ufology.
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That kind of like John Keel orother investigators have experienced in the past,
or just people have had these experiences. But you know, Josh,
he wants to do something a littlemore love and light to show you that
not everything's bad. It's not everything'swhat you think it is. So I
found this great website actually that justhas a lot of different stories involving shadow
people. It's called shadow people dotorg. And the reason why I think
some of these entries are credible atall is, I mean they're impossible to
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prove is because they're not like stories. They're literally just people writing down and
documenting what happened to them. Notwell written, and there's a lot of
them and it just kind of likeit's just as someone goes out of the
way to just be like, thiscrazy thing happened. It doesn't seem like
a writing piece. It just makesme wonder. It just gives a little
more credibility. So I'm not gonnago too deep into these stories other than
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I have these three kind of thingsI want to bring up. The show
that the sh out of People phenomenon, we'll definitely have some negative aspects to
it, depending on the being you'redealing with. Also, a lot of
shadow people might be directly related toUFOs, and then the other shadow people
something different. I think there's multipledifferent types of shadow people, but that's
interesting theory, right. And Ithink the one time I share with you
today quickly is that they're more likethe Mothman from the famous point pleasant kind
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of like they're heartbringers of doom,Like they show up to like warn you
or right before something bad happens,but not on the scale of Mothman.
More personally, not a large catastrophicevent, but something in your own life.
And not just that. They alsokind of feel like protectors, like
some people don't get bad vibes fromthem. So I want to start with
a quick one. Just a womanwho's from Saint Paul. This fifty one
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year old woman, I mean,has written in two thousand and nine,
so she's much older now. AndI'm just gonna explain she said she's seen
these things a few times. I'mgonna read what she said during one of
her experiences and just summarize kind ofhow she felt about it. So she's
in the kitchen daytime, and it'sreally right. So she says, quote,
I'm standing with my back to aroom at this kitchen counter, and
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I had the sun shining on mefrom a window in the dining room,
shining brightly on me where I stood. Suddenly, as though someone was peeking
around the corner to see who camehome, something moved in front of the
sun and blocked it out almost completely. I knew no one was home,
but thought maybe someone had a changeof schedule and was peeking in to see
who was home. But no.I turned to say hi, and there
was a seven foot tall three Dshadow guy, darker than the darkest,
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darkest and the darker than the darkestdark, long thin arms. The head
was oblong, very thin, extremelylong, which kind of kind of reminds
me of a gray just just likeblacked out. It was not like a
tall brage just standing at him lookingat her. She couldn't really make out
features. Now she goes on tokind of talk about how like nothing about
it was scary at all. Shefelt like she was being washed over,
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like it was a guardiane almost watchingher. She's had similar encounters with this
being. She felt the presence becausethat's terrifying. Yeah, right, but
she had a history to it though. It was another event where she she
just felt like something warmly was watchingher. There was no communication watching.
Yeah, so she just said welcometo my world out loud, and then
it never really said anything back.So she's had a lifelong stories with these
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things. So it's not all dark. Now, let's get to the more
interesting stories. That just kind ofsets up that's not always bad. It's
not always a Hollywood movie where you'regetting chased with a chainsaw by you know,
a shadow person, you know,God forbid, we have you know,
something good happens in this world.So all right, So the second
story gets even more interesting. Thisis from Gina and oh and Gina,
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Now I can't think this seriously.The rest of the damn story. So
that's the story. And this iswhen it gets into more like foreshadowing and
and like being in a harboringer ofsome sort. So she apparently had multiple
interactions with this being, which isalso a theme which suggests more alien abduction
than paranormal. I guess maybe I'mspeaking about a certain type of shadow person,
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and this is what she says.Okay. The last time that I
saw him was the night before mygrandfather had died. Interesting, that's always
a man. You don't see womenshadow people. He came in to me
in the living room that night.I was sleeping off there, off and
on for a while. When hehad come to me, I had woken
up and he was standing above mewith his head tilt to the side,
just staring at me. I closedmy eyes and fell asleep. And the
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next day I received the call thatmy grandfather had died. I haven't seen
my shadow man in a while,but I believe that he is my alarm
against harm. The only times heseems to show up is when something bad
is about to happen in my life. Eh God, So what is that
though? I mean, he's notlike, is he doing it? He's
not doing anything to you. He'skind of like your friend, is he
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a s guardian angels an alien checkingin on a big life moment before it
happens to you. Like, hedoesn't even say anything. He doesn't like
give her a hug or anything.He's like, I'm here, bad things
are happening, blah blah blah.Yeah, he definitely could take the angle.
It's not good at all. Butit's kind of like the Mothman.
The Mothman didn't hurt you one.It just kind of s up to watching
chaos and sue, you know,like I don't know, maybe it's just
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like watching a movie to these people. Okay, so this the third story
and the last one I have hereis similar. It kind of nails the
point home about kind of like theyshow up to be a harbinger of some
sort. Am I saying that wordright? Harbinger? Harborer? Yeah.
So this story is from anonymous sourcein twenty eleven, and everyone who finds
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this website, by the way,I writes these stories as super happy it
exists. They're like, oh mygod, I can't believe I have a
place to write down what happened tome. And just like her. She
had multiple experiences and with her husbandin the room, you know, not
nice. You know, definitely likesomething's touching me. There's something that the
shadow people in front of me.They're grabbing my feet, that type of
stuff. But then I want toread you this this one part. Okay,
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so that doesn't matter. The creepystuff in the bedroom doesn't matter.
Here's the part I want you toknow. So the shadow finger had visited
on a Thursday night. Friday,I had gone to the doctors and messaged
my best friend. On Saturday,Saturday, late afternoon, my best friend
was killed in a car accident.He died from a severed a order.
Severe chest and lung damage had occurred, and his feet, the tops of
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his shoes were stuck under the frontdash toes, God pointed, So it
was very very so, she goes, I don't know about you, but
I think there was a warning ofwhat was to come. It served the
purpose though in my mind, becauseI had spoken to him the day before
he died, thinking there was somethingwrong with my health. I told him
how important he was to me andhow much I appreciated his friendship. So
I skipped over some stuff that ledup to that moment, but look at
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what it did. It like madesomehow indirectly made her reach out to her
friend and then her friend died.Like what is that? That's like very
guardian, Angelly. We just likehave this perception it should be like an
eight winged creature in all light,but something deeper is going on there.
And I just found it fascinating thatthere's actually a lot of stories like this.
Now, this site has a lotof just dark, fucked up,
scary shit, but these stories reallypoint to my whole thesis on the phenomenon
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overall. It's like, it's noteasy and it's definitely scary sometimes, but
it's not necessarily bad. And Ido want to and this with one thing
I want to say the people whoalso listen to Weaponized Podcast and other podcasts
in that book that we reference inthe beginning that's coming out with by Calm
Kellen hur and Lakski whatever his nameis. Lakaski goes out of his way.
He doesn't say a lot. He'spissed off a lot of people on
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the UFO Twitter because he wouldn't admittedanything other than like the government definitely has
been inside UFOs and has him,and he said a couple of other things.
He's confirming stuff. He's stonewalled alot. He's definitely stonewalled. But
what he did go out of hisway twice out of nowhere to be like,
I don't think it's that bad,guys. If anything, I think
it's positive. I don't think wehave something to worry about. I don't
know if it's a threat. Likethey pushed him on the threat stuff,
and he's like, listen, Idon't know really what that means. I
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guess like flying in our airspace andrunning into something is a threat. I
get it, but like, isit a threat? I don't think so.
And when he says that he can'tsay anything right, he clearly knows
a lot more than he should say. But he was very like, don't
worry. It's probably not what youthink is not bad. But it's,
in my opinion, very complicated becausewhen I said that out loud, there's
probably experiences listening to this podcast rightnow saying to themselves like, fuck you,
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gosh, my shit was crazy andI'm fucked up from it, and
I know my heart goes out toyou, and I'm not saying your experience
is not real or not warranted inany way. I'm just saying it's complicated,
and there's definitely wild transformations and positiveangles to all this as well,
and I just think we need toopen our minds and allow all the information
and to make an overall opinion.And it's easy for me, as someone
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who hasn't been through the trauma ofit, to kind of look for a
bird's eye view through John Max's workto the research we do to kind of
paint a picture of what's really happening. But believe me, if suddenly I
woke up in the morning, Iwas like shit, I was on a
ship. They were holding me downdoing medical procedures. I got jerked off
by a michelin Man, I wouldbe like fucking terrified. So my heart
goes out to you. But I'mjust trying to say, like, I
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mean, you're alive. Most ofthese people, once they get through the
trauma, are able to improve theirlives. There's something else going on,
And back to that quote about thephenomenon being some sort of cultural shifting,
evolving phenomenon or technology, And Ijust want to leave you with that.
Yeah, And I and I thinkI mean it's you know, it allows
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it's a different view. So Ithink it's I think it's I think if
we start to look at these things, uh, like you're saying, Josh
as as a way to show thatthat we have the abilities to understand what
they're doing. We just don't understandhow the universe works. So these things
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are like prompting us, uh inwhatever way. Not. I mean,
definitely there's some terrifying moments. Uh. They could have a they could have
learned some manners here on earth onhow to communicate. I think that one
might be a little bit better.But right like in the middle of the
night in your bedroom, Like that'sthe worst possible time to talk to us,
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Like why why now I need tofucking sleep? What the fuck do
you want? Can we talk aboutthis at breakfast time? Your friend?
Oh my god, let me havea cup of coffee, let me take
my morning dump, and then let'schat like what's going on? Yeah,
exactly exactly. So it's like thislike breaking in time and space where somebody's
trying to poke us so that wekeep asking questions about like how things are
(45:07):
done, how things are made?Like, yeah, you know, am
I part of that? Do Ihave a connection to those questions that people
are asking themselves, like if wethink about at the beginning of this podcast,
Matthew Roberts in his story the wholegimbal thing cracked him wide open to
where he's getting all sorts of experiences, but through the experience he started to
understand how things work. Now,I don't want that. I'd just rather
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have a talk or like like adownloaded dream of weird things that can sketch
and I'll figure it out. Butlike, right, yeah, I don't
know. Some people need more.As John Max said, it's like a
shamanic initiation. It might be terrible, but at the end of it,
it's better for you. It's goodfor you in some way. Well,
I was just gonna say, it'slike ayahuasca, like you've got to go
through the purge, however uncomfortable thatis to begin with, before you start
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getting through the the good stuff,Like you're gonna shit and fucking throw up
your brain before you Yeah, physicallyand metaphorically, yep, I agree.
Now I see a demon Now everythingworks out. Yeah, I guess so
my asco is like that. Yeah, I don't know. The human brain
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is so crazy. You can gothrough such a horrific time. I was
just reading an article about when peoplefall in love and then they fall out
of love and they have like atumultuous relationship and they get out of it
and they start dotting other people andlike years will pass and that person will
only remember the good things about areally terrible relationship and they'll be like,
(46:35):
yeah, it wasn't that bad,you know. And I obviously that was
like a whole psychology thing about relationshipsand how people categorize things because they actually
don't want to hold onto the badmemories. They have trauma that they don't
know where it comes from, butthey hope they like to have this memory.
So I thought of that when Ihear about people's encounters with things,
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and how when they talk about it, they're like, it wasn't that bad.
I mean, yeah, I gotpoked in the ass couple of times,
and you know, it wasn't thatbad. I was in college,
so whatever was it? I don'tknow. It's pretty fascinating. I think.
I think if we really start tolook at this as like something's trying
to get our attention so that wecan understand what our part is in it,
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instead of just being victims of somethingthat has seemingly more power than us,
and I think that's the bigger storythat I think we all need to
start entertaining to really figure this out. I don't know what do you guys
think here here. I agree witheverything you're saying. I think we had
a holistic, not black and whiteapproach this and think that I think we're
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on the right track. Honestly,guys, I do really do it.
My own opinion on this podcast hasevolved over the years, and I think
I'm growing and the phenomenon is affectingme and I'm not even an experiencer,
you know, So I just Ireally think for me, this podcast in
some sense is the phenomenon because it'sopening me up to new ideas and I
think, run the guys, awesome. Yeah, we just need a TV
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show where we can go investigate things, come to people's towns, and uh,
we just do more time to beable to be able to get a
show out holding us back. Yeah, yeah, we're all right. Everybody,
have a great night. Make surethat if you do encounter non human
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entities, please sketch what they looklike. Yeah, wow, and please
do try. I'm not even gonnasay that. Never mind, don't worry
about that. Just sketch him,just sketch him all the details, how
long it was, what they lookedlike. Okay, everybody, that's it.
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I they please report back to whatwe want to know. Have a
good night. We'll talk to younext week. Goodbye,
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