Alien Watch 2023: Mummies in Mexican Congress & Peruvian Alien Attack Updates

We’re covering all the latest happenings in world of UAPs and delicious alien mummies!

From the Mexican congress shenanigans, to the latest in Peruvian alien battles—we argue the merits of the current goings-on…

Do these new developments help disclosure or slow its momentum? Grab a cheeky beverage, tune in and help us answer that question, in an all new Cosmic Cantina.

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Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'recovering all the latest happenings with UAP and
those delicious alien mummies. From theMexican Congress shenanigans to the latest improvian alien
battles. We argue the merits ofthe current stories. Do these new developments
help disclosure or slow it's momentum?Grab a cheeky beverage and two men and

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help us answer that question and anall new Cosmic Cantiena. I'm your host,
Melissa Tittle, and every week Igo to my favorite bar, Cosmic
Cantina, and kick back with myco host Josh Golambuski and Matt O'Connor.
We talk about aliens, bigfoot,ghosts, ancient cultures, and anything from

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the unseen world that needs a littleillumination. Welcome to Cosmic Cantina. I'm
your host, Melissa, and tonightI'm drinking hydrating water. I know,
you know, it's either on abender or I'm sober, and I'm sober.

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I'm sober right now. I gota lot of ship going on.
I gotta focus. It's either wildlyflying up the handle or drinking water.
Two extremes, you know, likethat's how it is. That's what you
get, two sides of the coins. Yeah, what we get. That's
fine. I'll take it well.Tonight, I'm drinking ghost Fish a gang
because I can't give it up.I love it. You know. They

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don't pay attention to me, andthey never spawn back to me on Instagram.
That's fine. I'll still drink yourdamn beer, ghost Fish. It's
a subbery beer. But I'm gonnatransition soon too stouts and like darker beers.
It's gonna be awesome. Bare yougo to for couples of you hot,
Yes, you don't have to say. When I was in the UK,
somebody came up to my booth andthey said, you know what I
need right now? I need tobe drinking and ghost Fish. And I

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thought, why is this person tellingme this? And then I just planted.
They were referring to cause of acantina, and Josh and May just
stared at me, and I staredat them and I'm like, oh,
yes, ghost fish, gluten freebeer. Yes, that's great. Now
never talk to me again. Weneed to get that ghostfish. What do

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you call it? Sponsorship? Atsome point, Josh, they're listening and
I know they're listening. I'm surethey don't, but you know, we'll
get that. Get what are youdrinking, Matt? Matt's in Australia.
I am. I scurried off downUnder and I'll be here for a couple

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of weeks. So if my audiosounds a little distant, that's why.
I don't know whether that be athing. But it's it's only like ten
in the morning here, So Iwasn't going to crack a beer straight up
because I'm already still a little jetlagged, and I think that would be
a little detrimental to the podcast.So I just got a little AUSSI ginger
beer going on here sounds good gingerbeer, I like, little yeah,

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cute. Well it's one of us. At least one of us is drinking
at the cantina. All right,guys. Maybe the reason why most of
us on this podcasts are not drinkingis there's so much stuff going on.
Like I swear to god, wedo a podcast when we're like there's so
much stuff going on, and thenthe next podcast there's so much stuff going
on, Like there's just too manyheadlines of things going on that are it's

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a mess. Amazing. It's amess. It's amazing and a mess at
the same time. But thank god, you're in good hands, this cosmic
cantina. We're going to break itdown and widely speculate and get you to
the good place. Yeah all right, so let's let's talk about that amazing

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Taramasus cake that who Hammy Massan broughtout to the Mexican Congressional hearing. Oh
yeah, it look delicious. Yeah, it did look like a delicious cake.
Sandy, Yeah, yeah, Okay, guys, the Provian mummies,
let's talk about it. Let's talkabout it. We can talk about it

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all night, but we're going totouch upon it a little bit. I
have some more stuff that I'll comeout with later, but we're definitely going
to talk about it. Please clarifyfor the good people. There's a lot
of people talking about there and theinternet have no idea what's going on.
I don't have. We're not apart of anything at all, just speculating
wildly. Please give us some knowledge, lead us, lead us before you

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get gone. Most so, Iwas really surprised that, especially through Reddit
and a few other different places thatwe're talking about it, how no one
seemed to notice that these mummies hadcome out years earlier, through through Guya
obviously, and it was just likeshocking that right the I guess the marketing

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or the kind of shot on anothercompany's marketing, But I will say it's
surprising that so little people had heardabout it, especially in the field.
All these people who were interested inthe topic never sort of heard about It.
Was wild to me because it wasI guess because you know, we
all worked there at the time andwe were you know, obviously deeply involved

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in the whole situation. But uhyeah, it's so. But it got
it got definitely got some some press, if you will. It wasn't very
good press. But I think,what what is alarming about the I mean,
I have lots of good and badthings to say about the whole situation,
but I think what was alarming isthat that a lot of the really
good YouTube videos that we did dothat we did, we did like an
actual summary of the actual data insteadof like the videos that were put out

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there earlier with like commun Mussan sayingis an alien and like we had no
we had no idea. But yeara year later had passed and we had
put out all this information and dataand it is not on the internet.
And I don't work a guy anymore, so I don't know what they did
with it, but they just deletedit. You know. Now you can
go on Guy and you can watcha documentary, but you know, one
point they had an update for youto watch so that it was valuable.

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So now it's like missing. It'slike the Mandela effect. You know,
everyone's like the burn steam bears,burnsteam bears, whatever it is, right,
it's just completely disappeared. And youknow what, you know what they
jumped to is, you know,Gary Nolan already debunked this, and I'm
like, he debunked the hand thatwas found in twenty sixteen. So there

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was like a three fingered hand thatwas just like just a hand, and
some like grave robber hoaxer. Dudewas like, I found an alien hand
and it was a big deal andtook pictures of it and Gary Nolan said
that, you know, he debunkedit. Look, it's not real based
on the skeletal structure and all thatkind of stuff. So that was in
twenty sixteen. Two thousand and seventeenis when these other bodies showed up and

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what people have completely forgot is theother this other situation, and they just
jumped to the twenty sixteen hand.Oh I didn't know that interesting. Yeah,
it seems like because this this obviouslywasn't the first time mummies to come
out, and I think a lotof these are kind of getting squished together.
Is the same Yeah, everyone's thinkingit's the same thing that's happening over

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again. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would just like to say that
the documentary on Guya about the Naskamummies is really well done, and it's
good and has a lot of goodinformation. For sure, I would say,
right, you know, didn't youYeah? Yeah I did, Yeah,
I did. I did produce it. I did. I mean there's

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some things that I would have wantedto put in there. I mean,
there's a lot of things that thatthat I did some leg work on and
because I think a lot of itis not trying to prove the skeptics wrong.
But if you're in an investigation andsomebody says that the skin that they
took biological material from had been melteddown by like different kinds of animals and

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made into a fake skin, wellI wanted to find out if that could
actually happen, and I called taxidermyplaces and you know, I'm thinking,
like, you know, hey,if you can't do it, you know,
anybody can melt a bunch of animalstogether and create a skin that's actually
malleable. And they were like,please don't call me hannibal lecter because it's

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not like, yeah, it islike it's And the only reason you know
this was after we did the testingon the bodies, right on the skin,
on the stuff that was taken,and then like we sent it to
labs, different labs in different placesthat didn't necessarily know each other to test

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what was in this these samples,right, and none of it came up
as chemical composition. So if forany reason you could melt a bunch of
animals skin together and then add somekind of adhesive to then make a fake
skin so that like it was biologicalbut not biological, that would have been
picked up in the DNA tests andthat wasn't the case that Yeah, like

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so anyway, fucked it was coveredin what was that stuff that it was
like the intrometrius earths, fossilized algaeor something like that. Now, yeah,
here's something listen. Could you clarifyfor the good people, because this
whole Congress Mexican whatever this was,is hearing. It wasn't official by the
way, it was unofficial hearing,just to be CLEARFI Yeah, yeah,

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the little beings got all the attention, which the little beings to me,
were never the most exciting part ofthe discoveries. The big being, which
we call Maria was was the coolone, right, and like everyone's missing
that, everyone's just like it lookslike et from the eighties. Spielberg nailed
it whatever what I had. Youknow, I don't see one picture of

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Maria, the big one that it'slike crazy looking, and like I just
thought, like this whole thing feelsso weird. I love him, by
the way, I don't care ifpeople anyone says I love him. I
want to be him when I'm athis age. It's gonna be awesome.
I want to be famous in likesome random country talking about UFOs like he's
the best. I love him.Anyway, I just wanted to stay back
before let's talk about for a littlebit. No. I know, like

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Josh was gonna say anything bad abouthimI, but I'm gonna say this about
himI. Himie is a lovable grandpawho's very excited about aliens, and he's
really invested in it, and hewill go to great lengths to call something
in an alien. But that isthe last person you wanted an investigation,
because the minute he sees something hecalls an alien, the minute he sees

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like, you know, my pugdog, he'd be like, it's an
alien, you know what I mean, Like, there's no there's no like
investigative like thought process in it.But that doesn't mean he's a bad person
or he's actually creating the hoax.He just gets involved in this stuff because
he loves it so much. Andso that's the way I look at him.
He's not a bad person, butlike, I wouldn't trust him on

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an investigation because he's already convinced it'san alien. And then if that's the
way you're looking at it, thenyou're never really going to get to the
bottom of what really happened. Sothat's the only thing I'm gonna say personally
about him. Matt, go forit. Fair point. Look, yeah,
I think that's a fair point.I think he's more interested in publicity
than he is truth. I'll saythat. How about that, I just

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like just going through like a listof at least fifty things that he's claimed
has been some sort of anomalous UFOor paranormal or something like that over the
years, and it's just like onething after the next of just like being
proved wrong and not seemed to begoing like, oh I was wrong,
Sorry about that, just kind ofmoving on to the next thing, or

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the humanly pushing that he was correctin the face of fact, which is
I think is astonishing. You know, he may be a LoVa little Grandpa
character type, but I just don't. I don't think he's helping anything,
and I don't. As for thethe recent Mexican congressional thing that recently happened,

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there was a few people involved,including Ryan Graves, who was seemed
to be bitterly disappointed that he wasthere at the time he mentioned what did
he say, Ryan Graves, SoI have a report here about it,
Ryan Graves for me, us USNavy pilot who was in July claimed a
number of UFOs, BUTLA, weknow who Ryan Graves is. But he

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later said he was deeply disappointed bythis unsubstantiated stunt that he happened to be
at I don't think Melissa and Iwas just saying this before. I don't
think he realized that Himie was goingto bust out these no, I totally.
I mean I put that on myvideo this week. I was like,
I feel like Ryan Graves had noidea that Himie was showing up with

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some with some some bodies. Ithink it was like a gesture like I'm
going to come here from the organizationin the United States and support the people
that are coming together to create anorganization in Mexico. And then him,
you know, crazy uncle Jimie comesin with the bodies and he's like it's
real. You know, He's like, oh my God, now, like

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face is tied to this for therest of my life, you know what
I mean. Isn't him in someamount of trouble now? They're they're claiming
that he stole us from Peru andall sorts of stuff, and there wasn't
he's involved in people a video ofhim just screaming at the reporter because they

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were like accusing him of stealing fromPeru or something. Yeah, and he
just lost his ship was super funny. The grandpa went away for a little
bit, but the other person whocomments ou on this was guy we found
on the show before Nick Pope,ex Ministry of Defense for the UK.
Nick Pope, he had a coupleof interesting things to say. Okay,

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so Nick Pope also jumped in onthe story. He said, the whole
alleged alien corpses thing he's taking witha large grain of a small grain of
salt, large grain of salt.Anyway, He's he has some disbeliefs about
the whole thing. But he pointedout that if the UNAM is that the

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I don't know what that is.I guess that's the body that did the
testing. If they did carry outsuch meticulous analysis, it would have been
published in a peer reviewed journal.He said, I wish this discovery was
true, but I'm getting increasingly skepticalabout the whole story. If I was
a scientist behind this, I'd besniffing a Nobel prize and thinking about my
place in history. I would bewriting up a scientific paper and wanting to

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get a peer reviewed and published ina prestigious journal. Well, I guess
you could argue that, you know, there a lot of people don't want
to touch it. A lot oflegitimate papers, just like no thanks.
Yeah, but even even getting apeer reviewed paper published is very difficult.
It's not necessarily like you can justthrow shit out there and then you know,

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see people say like it's it's notBut but to his point, he's
saying, look this this, thiswasn't real. If this was one hundred
percent, they were taking this on. Mexico is taking this on. Especially,
as Josh pointed out, we hadbeen dealing with this since two seventeen,

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and there was definitely a lot ofdata already that at this point they
could have come out with a paperhe's you know, or some kind of
you know, you know, he'sright, there's just some kind of weird
transition happening at this point in time. Well, it's like you said,
Melissa, it seems to have disappeared, like there was a bunch of research
and DNA testing and all sorts ofstuff done, but I don't know.

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Well, yeah it's and it's beenout for a while, but no one
seems to have done anything with it. But here's the here's the point that
I think Pope is really wanted todrive home. He added that Massan's timing
was unfortunate as it could be adistraction and potentially pose a threat to serious
investigations of UFOs, such as NASA'sgroundbreaking GOFI report, which we'll probably get

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to a little bit. But youknow, at least you know he's saying,
Okay, this is kind of anunnecessary distraction. I have a disagreement
with mister Pope. I feel theopposite. There's a lot of people out
there echoing this idea that it's asdistraction. The mummies are making everyone look

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bad. It made Ryan Graves lookbad. His reputation took a hit,
the whole community took a hit.It's it's like, it's not good.
I don't know, man, It'slike one of those things people say in
a boardroom that sounds smart, butreality has no bearing on anything. It
did the exact opposite. My dadtexted me this stuff. He was like,
have you seen these mummies? I'mlike, Dad, I worked with
you know, the company that likewhen I done these things. He was
like, oh yeah, holy shnikes, you know, and like everyone's all

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excited. I random people ask meabout it. It caused such a huge
commotion. I just don't see it. Even if even if it's BS,
it only helped I think, man, there's wild stuff going down right now
with with the Vegas incident and thisalien invasion in Peru and the mummies,
Like it's something's going it's so intense, it's it's it's ramping up for something.
It's at all a sigh up.Now that's a different conversation, like

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why now? Like why now?Like why was I I mean, I
don't know. I don't think he'sa part of anything, but this whole
thing is just incredible. Well Ithink it's sorry, good for it.
Oh, I just think that's areally interesting point, Like how did he
get them out of Peru? Likethey're in glass cases in the university.

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Yeah, that's where I sold.Yeah, in Peru, not in Mexico.
Yeah, Like so did somebody sanctionthat? Because you can't just travel
in glass boxes? You know?You know I'd be like, yeah,
no problem, No, just aregular bag, you know, no liquids,
totally go through. There's carry deal, like just carrying on. Yeah,

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we've all done that before everywhere.Oh yeah, yeah, you're right.
There must be a story behind that. Why would they allow Highmai to
take them? Of all people,they're gonna give them the Hima? I
thought they were guarded twenty four sevenat a university all these years. That's
the other thing. I'm guarded ata university. I don't think that university
would have kept them if they thoughtthey were just puppets made a while back,
or like there's part of some darktrade, or they're putting together animal

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bones and making little mummies. LikeI don't think like this, there's more
to this. I don't know.I mean, of course I want it
to be a true I just thinkit's complicated and I do want answers,
and I don't know if we havethe answers. So but I'm just glad
that Melissa is talking about it,because God, there's so much people just
like saying so many crazy things onthe internet. They just have no idea,
and it's like a cult of followingto be like it's it's bullshit.

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I'm calling it out and I'm justlike, hey, how about we just
talk about it, like I'm notsaying it's real. But even that notion,
people are like, how dare you? How dare you? They immediately
attack me twitters be careful, yeah, yeah, if they freak out,
like I don't really get it.I mean, I mean, we should
explain to people because since everybody forgotwhat happened with the investigation in twenty seventeen,
so just really quickly five minute updatesso everybody knows what's going on and

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what we're all talking about when itcomes to this investigation back in twenty seventeen.
So let's do a time like twentysixteen. HOAXI fake hand situation comes
out. The guy actually gets arrestedbecause Peru doesn't take very kindly to people
faking dead bodies because it ruins theiruh you know, their their ability to

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protect heritage sites. Right, Sothat guy comes out it's fake. Gary
Nolan's like, it's fake. Twentyseventeen. Hommy Lussan calls guy. He's
like, hey, I mean allright, we're back there. But hey,
there's these bodies being discovered in Nascasomeone else. They're literally discovered by

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grave robbers too. It's not likepeople are they're not archaeologists. There are
people who are digging up old Periviangraves and stuff, which is but that
well this is no boy now.But however, and this is something that
I cover in the documentary. Mostdiscoveries are found by grave robbers or whatever.

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You want to call them, becauseit's people from archaeologist or archaeologists from
different universities aren't just poking around inthe dirt and figuring out where. These
people know the land, they knowwhere things might be. I mean,
there's been some major discoveries. I'mnot saying that all archaeologists. I'm not
saying all situations, but there hasbeen in the past many great discoveries found

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by grave robbers poking around looking fortreasure to trade in and then they find
a grave or they find blah blahblah, right, so okay whatever,
So yeah, that happens. Anotherproducer goes down to check this out,
you know, and sees that there'sbodies and there's some filming done. One
of them is a big body.She's she's they would call her Maria,

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but she has she's she's like wrappedin up in a field position, and
if she could stand up, she'dbe like five seven, like weird three
fingers, three to three, threetoes and elongated head, weird skull shape,
but seemingly has like a human body. And then there's these two little
ones, and there was like someother weird body that like was they think

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was a child. But but theyruled that out as actually being human and
but I think that was found somewhereelse anyway, So then I'm invited to
come down and figure out what we'regonna do, because the thing is is
like we didn't want to just talkabout it. We wanted to see,
like you know, we wanted todo cat scans, X rays, DNA

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testing, all the above. Throughoutthis time, the players involved wrote the
proving government told them what they found, wanted them to get involved. They
said absolutely not, no way.So by the way, it wasn't like
this is all secretive at all.Why did they say because they didn't.

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It was because they well they saidthey didn't want to encourage more people to
dig up grades right now. Butyeah, but they didn't. They didn't
even want to come look at them. So they were just were like,
no, right, So I'm justgiving everybody a really fast version. So
then so then scientists come down.They do the X rays, they do
the cat scans, they do iton they do the X rays and the

(22:38):
cats guns and the little bodies.They do the X rays and the cat
scans on the big body. Sothe little bodies they have some weird stuff
in them, like some metal plates. One of them looks like they're pregnant.
But the DNA testing could with eggs, yeah, three eggs. But
the DNA testing was only allowed onthe big body. The DNA any testing

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was not allowed on those smaller bodies. I don't know if you if you
guys remember this, they did notallow us to take any samples from those
smaller bodies. The only thing,I mean, we can definitely, we
definitely were able to carbon date themand stuff like that, but we weren't
able to actually take samples from thesmaller bodies. So the bigger body was
really interesting because it had you know, eventually we'll get to the point.

(23:25):
There was all this data gathered fromthe DNA and there was a very huge
part of the DNA that did notmatch any human genome on the planet.
Now, this could be because there'snative cultures that didn't get that they don't
have DNA in the human genome systemthat can match, and this could be

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part this This DNA could be partof those cultures and maybe a deformity as
a human. But but there wasn'tany match. So this was a really
interesting stuff. There's a lot ofother data too, But that was just
really interesting. But if you remember, pertly, we didn't take DNA from
the smaller ones, and to me, I mean, it was interesting with
the eggs and the weird stuff,but like that just seems sketchy to me.

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And I just couldn't wrap my headaround it during the whole investigation of
like them being real, I justcouldn't. I'm like, well, I'm
not going to rule out that they'renot, but but it's just too weird
about them. So the fact thatJimi shows up with no other data except
for the two bodies and says thatthey found these are definitely extraterrestrial, and
I just I don't know, it'sjust so weird. It's just odd.

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There's a lot of other points,those are the main ones everybody knows,
all right, So backup. Sothen we left the investigation. Peru gets
involved, there's a parliament hearing onthe bodies. The evidence is then presented
to the Peruvian parliament. Of course, the Antiquities department is super pissed because
they're like, people dug up thesebodies. They could be human. You

(24:56):
know, what if they're real?What if they're real? And they're like,
well, what if they're alien,right. It was a whole conversation.
So then the decision was that thebodies were going to go to a
university in Peru. They're going tobe sealed, and they were going to
be tested on. And that wasthe last we heard about them. That
was it. Yeah, Like,I mean, it's not our country,
it's not our country, it's it'sthe it's their policy. We had kept

(25:18):
in touch with the university for alittle bit, but it was really up
to them. And so then outof the woodwork in twenty twenty three him
he's bringing the small bodies across theborder to Mexico, and I'm just you
know, it's just that's a littleweird. But that's that's where it was
left. So look, some theydecided not to destroy the bodies. They

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decided to take the bodies to auniversity and keep doing testing. So I
think, like, this is alot this is this is this, there's
a lot more to this story thanthan people than people know. I'm not
saying that those tiny bodies are real. I'm just saying that there's there's some
really interesting developments with the bigger one. Yeah, we have heard much since

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since it went to that university,right, we haven't heard anything that they
discovered or has anything come out sincethen, since I didn't think so,
it's in some of the Sorry,I was just going to say some of
the data that did come out initially. Maybe this is a good thing that

(26:21):
it's been brought back into the widerpopulation now. Actually, because I'm just
looking at it. There's a fewdata scientists on Reddit who have grabbed all
that data and are running it throughdoing an analysis on it themselves. So
maybe there will be more stuff tocome out of it, or just people
saying, yeah, this is interesting, you know. I don't know.

(26:42):
I don't know, but yeah,I put it back in the spotlight for
sure. Is that bad? Idon't think so. But is it a
distraction from the UAP stuff? Idon't know. Who knows? Josh,
what do your record? Man?I just it's a weird misfire, like
if he brought Maria there, thatthis whole situation would be different, because

(27:06):
some of those little ones could befake, could be fake, Like I
think there even is one that's definitelyfake out there that's like you can tell,
and it just muddies the waters completely. And then I didn't never cared
about the little ones either. Ikind of thought it was ridiculous. So
I was like, this one hasgiant eggs in it, and like,
look at it has like toothpick legs, Like how could that thing even walk?
I don't know, maybe they are. I'm not sitting there on either.
But Maria was compelling in the DNAresults, which I didn't understand.

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That's why I'm glad you talked aboutit and every other all the other analysis.
Now people out there like they knewwhen they first looked into these all
the same questions being asked today.You know. It wasn't like they just
looked at it. We're like,that's definitely an alien, you know.
They were like, okay, isa skin fake? Is this fake?
How are the bones are there?They put in the right order? Like
all those questions were asked early on, for sure, and that's why it
was so compelling. I honestly thoughtwe were going to hear more from this
story over the years, but notthis way that I have a Mussan like

(27:53):
curveball out of nowhere. Like Iwas hoping that university was going to release
some new data, but yeah,I don't know. I mean, I
hope there's more the Nasca mummy story. I'm definitely gonna still fight people on
Twitter about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like,
you know, you brought up areally good point about the fact that,

(28:15):
like is this a cover up forall the really big investigations going on?
And I know, Josh, youhave one that you're gonna you're gonna talk
about, but that you know,but like, but if you if you're
really in tune with this space,if everyone is looking this way, then
look the other way, like it, don't get mad at people and call
it fake. Don't waste your energyor your time, like say, that's

(28:37):
really interesting. But I'm going tokeep my eyes over here because there's a
bunch of stuff happening, you know. I think I think the story behind
the mummies is much more interesting thanwhat happened at the Mexico Congressional hearing.
I think that that there's there's Idon't know what was going on with that.
I like, it's just but butbut but there's definitely a lot of

(29:00):
other stuff going on that is sortof important. And then stuff that you
know, we had like a NASAbig hearing and you know, nothing really
happened there. Oh yeah, youguys want to go into the NASA hearing.
You want me to sit straight minutes? Okay, I have Well,

(29:22):
I was just reading like a threepoint analysis and basically everything that it covered.
Well, the one thing is theyappointed uh what's his name, Mark
mcinnerry Director of uap Research. Andthere was a huge pushback within the the
organization, NASA itself and a fewother governmental bodies of people being like,

(29:45):
dude, this is a Korea suicidedoing this ship. But he did it,
so he's he's agreed to be thethe UAPSR. I guess some title.
Yeah, pretty great, I wantthat time. I'll get it.
He was what happens? So what'sthe general summary in the meeting? Was

(30:10):
just we that's all I remember.That's always fucking learned. Here's a little
welcome to the fifties. Jesus,get out of here, NASA. I
knew that was gonna be lame.I didn't even watch it, so,
dude, as I was saying beforethe pod, like ten years ago,
I would have been like building upto this moment, telling everyone about it,
like it would have been a bigdeal for me. And now I'm
just like get out of here,dude. I well, so go on,

(30:30):
Matt, you know you have somesummary stuff you want to say generally,
well, yeah, it's just areally I think most people on read
it in the USA communities as well, felt pretty underwhelmed by the whole report.
But here's here's someone's wait before yougo yeah, okay, before you
go out, I just want tosay, like, they didn't even look

(30:51):
into the one hundred and forty unknownsthat Arrow put forward, those like unknown
cases. They didn't even look atthose. Yeah, so they didn't look
at the times that were like,hey, these are interesting, look at
them. They're like, yeah,we're gonna just do it. We're not
gonna do that, okay, okay, and that was interesting some of the
yeah, some of the points wherethey can't okay. So here the it's
like a four point summary of whatbasically what it was. I want to

(31:14):
interrupt you again. Uh no,you're good. It's like, number one,
we should reduce the stigma for reportingthis stuff. Great, all about
it? Awesome. Number two,we need more data because the data we
have is pretty useless, is it. Okay, but aren't they they're they're
searching the skies they're figuring out howthe universe works and the planetary systems.

(31:37):
Like yeah, and we've had like, you know, there's been that whole
how many NASA whistle blows were therein that original disclosure event from way back
with doctor Greer who was talking aboutlike getting photos and photoshopping out anomalies and
stuff like that. Anyway, Yeah, number two. Number three was we

(32:00):
have all the tools, and wecould be using these tools to gather more
of this good data. Okay,I really haven't been doing any of this
these pastas I don't know how manydecades. Uh, that was interesting.
And number four no confirmed aliens.Great, yea, so it was super

(32:22):
exciting stuff. I mean, yeah, there's no confirmed aliens. Okay,
well you know, I you knowwhat I think. I think most of
these government organizations have stories of aliens, but they can't put it into scientific
terms. So no one is goingto come out. You know, we've
got we've got graves, we've gotgrush. You know, we have people

(32:45):
that are saying, hey, I'veseen stuff and they're just being raked over
the coals. But I think peopleNASA have seen stuff, but they can't
put it improve it into a scientificform, like they can't say, yeah,
we capture this, this is whatit looks like, this is how
it moved, this is what itis, this is how this We got
a picture of the Palladian and he'sright here and he told us his name.

(33:08):
He's wearing a name badge. Hisname Steve, and he's from the
Palladians, you know what I mean. Like they don't have like they don't
have any physical, physical materials stuff, so they're gonna say, we don't
have any proof of ailance. ButI think all these organizations definitely have had
experiences, but they can't put itin the form of how we're used to

(33:29):
understanding data, you know, SoI like, how do we how do
we change that? How do welike accept other things existing in the same
existence of our And that's where we'reat, Like like until then, I
don't think we're gonna be able toprove everything with them materialistic. Yeah,
feel like we have we have evidenceof weird stuff and they're like, oh,

(33:52):
it's no big deal. It's stillyou know, it's just a bunch
of make videos with some weird things. It makes me wonder if, yeah,
if videos on enough, like youknow, they could there's Navy videos,
like to have a legitimate source withvideos showing some sort of vehicle doing
crazy shit in the air that youknow, not no one they know has

(34:13):
the capabilities apparently to do that's notgood enough. Like you can measure the
speeds, you can measure the factthat there was no sort of visual propulsion
coming off it, Like there's abunch of stuff coming from that, but
it's I guess it's not definitive.It's just like, here's a bunch of
things. It's not okay, maybethat's not definitive enough. Never makes me

(34:36):
want to exactly what they need right? Never should wait answer NASA, Come
on, we got all we shouldtalk about is David Grush. They should
have been like, we're gonna investigateeverything, David Grush, that we're gonna
find that data. I mean,basically, they didn't. I don't think
they had access the real data.I think they're like they're showing the same
Yeah, like they just didn't haveaccess. And now they're like, this
is what we have and we don'treally know. I'm kind of scared to

(34:58):
see what we know. But thenJames Fox did it. I think we
did. We talk about this hedid ask like some good questions related to
David Grush, but I got ananswer of like, well, he's just
talking to other people. There's noreal evidence. But then if you know
the story, that's like just notunderstanding its Yeah. Yeah so that,
yeah, that part of that wascool. And mister Fox, who's awesome.
I think, Yeah, I forgotFox. He was there, Yeah,

(35:20):
yeah, yeah, yeah, hegot written up. They have a
picture of him like asking hard questionsright on. He's doing the lord's work.
Yeah. So yeah, I meanbasically acknowledgement. I guess that there's
enough of a phenomenon that requires NASAto actually put together an official department.

(35:47):
But you know whether that's gonna belike yeah, we looked into it and
there's not much going on. Thisguy's collecting a paycheck and yeah, but
you guys, I think it's likeI think the people need to understand.
It's like NASA is like the brokestgovernment agency there is. Right, there's
like billions of dollars black budget movingaround doing shit. We don't really know
what it is. But NASA isfor the most part, they don't have

(36:08):
a lot of funny they have funding, but they don't have a lot of
fundy, so you're gonna tell me, like the brokest government agency, NASA
is going to have more funding forUFOs. Like they're joining the conversation.
They're saying that we're interested. Imean, I don't think any of us
conversation action. I don't think.I don't think any of us really thought
they were going to come out withsomething. But you know, they were

(36:30):
in the whole conversation of searching forlife or being in contact with something.
We do need their resources, soit would make sense that they would work
together. But but they're not goingto be the ones breaking the news.
I think. I don't know,no, no, yeah, it's just
you know, they're just slowly onthe public still, and they're keeping distill

(36:51):
like we're all in like ready,we're on like fourth gear, ready to
go and talk about wild shit andeveryone else. They're trying to ease everyone
in the first gear. Now peopleare like, oh, that's a NASA's
talking about them UFOs again. Youknow, what do you call them?
Ups? Now? You know,we're just like so far ahead, we're
like give it just you know,god damn, Like I cried when David
Grush talked I got emotional. Itried to hide it for my wife.

(37:12):
I was like, don't look atme like something in my eye. Good.
Yeah, yeah, no, Solike that's how I so maybe it's
good. I just think I'm toopassionate. I get like angry and I'm
midly bitter and I just want toshoot all over it because I just know,
like I know, I'm not gonnaget new information really, so I
gotta be more positive. It's agood thing, right, This isn't It
feels good. Doesn't feel like they'retrying to obscure it. They just didn't

(37:34):
have the info, but they're tryingtheir best. I mean, can I
can I say that? Yeah?Yeah, they say yeah. They said
they have the tools to check betterdata. So all right, do it.
Let's see it. Fucking step up, good bro. Yeah yeah.
So I mean remember like part ofpart of doing these kind of hearings,

(37:58):
announcements, you know, whatever theyare, they're they're telling the public that
they're using the taxpayers dollars for stuff, you know. But like I think
they gotta coming out. They gottacome out with something, right, they
gotta like the taxpayers are like,Okay, so we're having this announcement.
So you're telling us that you're gettingbetter equipment to work on it, like
like like people are like, wewant something juicy, Like okay, I

(38:22):
know Tis and running NASA. Ifhe was running NASA, we get the
good stuff. Aliens, he'd belike he'd be like every star in the
sky was an alien, you knowwhat I mean, Like like no,
no, no, no, that'sthat's that's venus. No no, no,
no no, that's an alien.That's definitely an alien ship swamp guess

(38:46):
yeah, guys, so Josh so, so there's so much going on,
but we really wanted to touch onthe NASA thing and the mummies, and
Josh has put together a really amazingtimeline of what might be happening in Peru.

(39:09):
Yes, for those who follow usat all or follow the UFO space
as we know, there could bea possible alien invasion happening in Peru.
I'm really excited about the face peelerswhat they call them, I don't know
how to say. This is theword for it in their language, though
it begins with the pa. SoPerue, guys, is a crazy place.
We got the mummies, We gotthat story from nineteen ninety seven the

(39:30):
crash retrieval of Jonathan Weiygant that Mattcovered a few episodes ago. We got
different Prus, like a hotspot ofa lot of activities. So I just
want to go this timelines. Idon't think people realize how much actually happened,
and this alien invasion in the middleof the Peruvian jungle, So let
me go through. I think youguys are gonna be surprised. There's a
couple of things. You're like,what that happened too? Okay, here's
the time, man. So thisall took place near i q U i

(39:55):
t O s City, Iquitos City, about a ten hour of her journey
from that city. It's in themiddle, it's in the northeast side of
Peru. It was in a village, and it involved the tribe which I'm
not going to try to pronounce theirname because I will butcher it. So
this all started on July July eleventh, twenty twenty three. Apparently it was
a little bit of a build up, but this was the big seminal moment
that kind of rocked it into theglobal consciousness. The fifteen year old woman

(40:20):
was attacked, susposedly by several entitiesthat hurt her neck and she was hospitalized.
I'll get into what these entities lookedlike. In the second the community
leader shot at these entities twice,but they were unscathed. And this is
what he said in quote. Hegoes quote, these gentlemen are aliens.
They appeared to be armored, likethe green Goblin from Spider Man. I
shot one of them twice and hewasn't injured. He rose and disappeared.

(40:43):
We're very frightened about what's happening herein our community. His name is Yaro,
I think okay. Other descriptions startedpouring in over the next couple of
nights. They said it was nightlythe community. The community lived in dread
and some of the other descriptions werefloating luminous beings. They had it's circular
hovering footwear that made them hover boltsdidn't work. They were about seventy eight

(41:04):
feet tall with yellow eyes, andthey disappeared after being shot, but they
floated around and were luminous. Nowthen all of a sudden, video came
out. It couldn't look down thedate of these villagers encountering something in on
top of a roof that looked alien. It kind of reminds me with the
Vegas footage, but clear there's clearlysomething there. What is it? Looks
green, it looks weird, andthey're shouting, I remember translated the video

(41:27):
on the videos very like it's upthere, it's up there? What is
it? What is it? Theywere very frightened and it seemed legit.
They didn't say animal, they didn'tsay monster, but it was clear they
were worried about up there. Okay, now going to Twitter, there's a
guy named Ronnie Vernet who's a UFOresearcher in South America, who started posting
a lot about this is where allthis informations from. If you just google
this on the internet, you don'tget this stuff. So on August twenty

(41:50):
first, which is not long ago, there's a video on Twitter which shows
a bunch of families meeting up withshotguns. All the dads have shotguns and
all the kids and mothers around them. They all look nervous as hell.
And this community where they are isa little bit away from the original community.
So whatever this was started spreading,and these beings were spotted at indigenous
Buena Vista community near the river inPeru, near Loretto which is near the

(42:12):
border of Ecuador. Now, thesurveillance group, this military group was there
explaining to them what was going onbecause they were tracking them, and the
witnesses were telling them, this militarygroup that they shine the being shined,
and they went into what that meant, like they shine. They looked up
and they see it shimmering as itwas floating like twenty feet above them.
So there was a group going aroundtrying to hunt these things down. They
called it a surveillance group, whichhas seemed military or coming out of San

(42:34):
Antonio or town. I'm not sureif it was like the proven military did
show up, and I'll get tothat in the second. I'm not sure
if this group was so this little. I need more clarity. So on
the twenty seventh, another video emergedthat Ronnie posted of lights in the sky.
There's a video you can just seelights in the sky and as this
person silhouetted, its soundless only twentyfeet high. Now soundless is interesting because
the Provium military eventually throughout the bexplanation that it was illegal jetpack miners trying

(42:59):
to scare the people away from theirmining sites. These legal cartels. I
love that. I love that,which is which is more ridiculous than aliens,
you know, like the fact thatthey think there's a group running around
with that kind of tech to somesort of private mining company is just,
I mean, yeah, wild tome that they thought that was a reasonable

(43:20):
explanation. Have you have you seenanybody successfully fly a jet pack and like
successfully dry and successfully fly a jetpack from a long distance, like in
the middle of nowhere. Music seemslike so dangerous. Yeah, in and

(43:40):
out of trees. Yeah, that'smadness. That's a part of the reason
why I actually believe the story.One. I heard a lot of Twitter
comments of people from the areas thatif these people tell, if these try
but these types of people say something, they mean it, like they might
be wrong about what it is,but they're calling it the face peelers,
the pecala's. I can't I knowhow to say it, like you should
trust them. So like I heardthat over and over again, like these

(44:01):
people have no reason to lie.They're like, this is happening, help
us, God damn it, thisis crazy. So that that was why
I believe it. But also becausethe explanation is so ridiculous that clearly it's
a lie. So or a madeup reason that. Then now I'm like,
okay, something is going down inthe Provian jungle. Okay, moving
on. So in the same videoon the twenty seventh, they saw that

(44:24):
same night some a witnessed an arrowshaped object move up from the beach near
the river. On the twenty eighth, there's another video where a military group
from San Antonio, the same onesI think, who are meeting with the
people in twenty first they encounter thisluminous phenomenon in the air and they start
to shoot the video like you canwatch the video. I mean, I
guess I'll post the links in therite up and they're like running around with
guns or shooting at something. They'reall running away. There's dogs, there's

(44:46):
like chaos. It's like a wholeit's like a whole thing. I was
like, who's no one's seen this, and you're gonna be careful because some
of these videos not these are likethe people post them, Like there was
a picture of a guy. Wetalked about it before. His face was
missing and everyone's like, oh mygod, they got them. But really
it was just like a cartels killedthe guy by shoving his face in the
water near Piranhas and it had nothingto do with the alien evasion. Okay,

(45:12):
so now that's kind of the endof the the incidents, as I
would say, for now, butthe and I already explained the poop.
And before you keep going, Josh, is that is that why they got
the name face Peelers from from thatone Piranha incident. No, that is
a known thing in the area whereall the villagers talk about these legends of

(45:35):
these things, and that's the facePeelers. It's like a known legend in
the area. Oh okay, Ididn't I didn't realize that. I just
thought it was all based on thatone misinformation story of a being that oh,
look, they peeled the skuy's faceoff, But it is it's an
actual, like I don't know,a myth, a legend from the area.
Is that what you're saying, Yeah, it's well known. Apparently there's
bodies found where a people's faces tornoff semi regularly out there, so they

(46:00):
thought these beings were connected to that, which we don't know that they could
just be calling of that and thatcould be a separate phenomenon or just the
cartel's shoving people's faces underwater. Soanyways, I want to wrap this up
because it's interesting. Of course,when there's alien activity, the good old
US military somehow gets involved. Sothat Ronnie Ronnie uncovered. There's a couple

(46:22):
of articles he was posting talking abouthow the US military has extended their training
exercises and their equipment in Peru withapproven military until December they signed something really
close to when all this started happening, and then just extended it. And
then and then also another article cameout that Ronnie's was responding to a comment.

(46:43):
I can't read it because it's inSpanish, but he just he kind
of summarized in English and he wrotethat this person was wrong, and he
wrote, I think you need tobe better informed, because the Peruvian Congress
approved the US military mission in Aikitos, which is where the village is nearby,
on June twenty second, for themission to be executed between June twenty
fourth and July ninth, whatever trainingexercise they were doing. And oh yeah,

(47:07):
I we cannot forget the illegal minorusing jet packs. So he's he's
trying to say, like, Imean, how ridiculous is that? But
what he's trying to say here isin that area there could have been US
Forces training or I don't I can'ttranslate this article, and I would love
too. I just ran out oftime. But that's really interesting with the
US there ahead of time because somethingwas going on, was a US tech

(47:28):
like what was happening there, AndI just thought that was a kind of
compelling tidbit to all this. Sothere's a lot more videos, folks.
And never mind those cattle mutilation Septemberone in Peru nowhere near this area,
thirty dead sheep were found with theirskulls and no eyes, and there's a
bunch of mutilations going on I pruecurrently. So all I'm trying to say
is something's going down, imprud it'sa history of also, as we know

(47:49):
from Jack Valat and some of ourown research, that there's a history of
false flag or faked alien kind ofabduction CIA stuff. So I don't know,
it's just an interesting part of theworld and lots going on in Peru
people. Yeah, And actually,I'll just there's two new things that popped
up about the same story over thepast week or two. One is an

(48:12):
official from the community from the Peruvianvillage who's apparently he's gone into he's trying
to see the lieutenant governor, andhe's pleading for the Peruvian government to please
come and help them, because hesays, there, come and help the
people. The children are not sleepingand everyone is tired. Apparently they're just
it's just continually having issues with whateverthese things are. Yeah, that's like

(48:39):
keep going yep. Uh No.I was just saying that I doubt that
that's the US government, you know, like it's Josh was saying, like,
you know, it's weird that theywere there, but I doubt that
the US government would be torturing thisthis this tribe, you know what I
mean, Like, yeah, yeah, what the point, there's no point,

(49:00):
you know, monitoring the situation.You know, maybe they're just there
to monitor and try to stop it. Maybe maybe they're monitoring exactly I'm so
afraid of. So this guy says, they're just like continually running around the
place, and I guess the Peruvianvillages just keeps shooting at him. He

(49:22):
says, we try to shoot atthem, but they face peelers just shoot
back into space. Another guy fromthe town, and this guy actually he
says he came across a bunch ofthem that were walking through his part of
the village, and he was hitby one of them and knocked him out,

(49:45):
but they just left him there.They didn't do anything about it.
But he was like shooting at himagain as well. And here's a couple
of the interesting points that he mentionedthat was translated. He says, he
describes that the he one of theentities he saw descending it looked humanoid with
kind of a vast jet pack onit. Then he says there were three

(50:08):
enterities in total. He shot atone that was standing below their solar panels,
which are right next to their homes. The bullet hit the entity because
he said he saw a spark whenit hit, so they have some sort
of bulletproof gear on its weird Andhe says the entities are very tall.
He didn't say exactly how tall,but he said they're very tall. He

(50:30):
tried to shoot one again, butit took off, flying very quickly,
reaching twenty feet in the air almostimmediately, just like straight up. So
what, I don't know, that'ssome pretty pretty cool tech. I want
that jet pack. That's crazy.Yeah, Yeah, I don't know.

(50:52):
I think it's I think it's apretty crazy story. I think, I
think these things keep heating up.I don't know. I just we got
a lot of people wanting things tobe real. We have a lot of
we have a lot of stories thatare really interesting. We have government cases
that people are still like, okay, we need more evidence, right,

(51:14):
So we're at this stage where we'rekind of bursting with information. To be
honest with you, we're at apoint in this conversation when it comes to
UFOs, aliens, UAPs, we'rebursting with information. But what we do
with that, how we decide tosee things, How we're going to actually
test what we consider data to makeit make a to figure out how we're

(51:39):
going to say what is real orwe're not real. This is the point
we're at. This is what we'redealing with. I think. I think,
I mean just too much. Likewe could. We could talk about
the mummies and you can debate themall day. But the thing is is
that in every story there's a grainof truth. And I think that what's
happened at the Mexico Congressional hearing,we're missing the grain of truth, you

(51:59):
know, what's happened I mean inPeru with this village, and I mean
there's some a lot of pieces ofthat that could be that could be true,
right, and then whatever NASA islooking for and what the government's hiding
or not hiding, you know whatI mean. We're bursting with information.
Like I think, we just needto keep our nose to the ground and
absorb all the information and keep movingforward and and see where it goes and

(52:22):
just not get caught up in thecraziness that divides us all as a community,
a community of people that are wantingto know what else is out there,
and that's why we hate people.The Cosman can say you, we
got your back. We're here todeliver the information for the people and digestibles.

(52:44):
No idea too stupid or there's nospeculation you can't do on this show.
Yeah no, no, UFO twofallicly shaped. We'll cover it all.
It definitely does cover it all.Yeah. Nice. Yeah, we

(53:05):
were light on those type of jokesthis podcast. It was good to strength
finished strong. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I know we have we have
Well there's a bit of a delayeverybody, because Matt is down under,
and you know it's like a couplelike a couple of seconds or whatever,
so like our jokes fall flat.So we we've been a little bit low
on the dick Bis, but wehope you understand it's because we're serious and

(53:28):
my best and Matt isn't He's inanother planet right now, so we're having
a little bit of difficulty. Butanyway, we love all of you.
We're going to talk about some morecrazy stuff next podcast. I hope you
enjoyed this. Uh, lots ofnew stuff coming out and I'm doing another
interview on Fade to Block with JimmyChurch. I'm also in this alien investigation

(53:52):
with the mummies. There was anothergroup of people journalists called Steve Mara from
the UK who came out and saideverything's fake because he went down there and
did a bunch of testing. I'mgoing to speak to him. I've never
actually spoke to him about all thisstuff, but i want what, like,
what was his data? Did hedid he do testing the little boys?
Did he testing the big bodies.I've never actually compared data, but
I'm really excited about this. Let'sfind out what did he see when he

(54:14):
was down there? Is it gonnabreak out in a real fist fight?
Yeah, see what happens all right, we'll let you know who wins Melissa
versus Steve, Mara Ben, didn'tit go? All right? Guys,
until next time, have dow,Goodbye,