Guide to the Hitchhikers: New Evidence & Paranormal Fallout

Just in time for the holidays, we’re sticking out a thumb and wandering the highways to discover more about the hitchhiker effect.

We discuss new research from Dr Jim Segala involving everything from DNA linked experiences to measuring anomalous signals during paranormal events.

Then Josh finishes us off with some tales suggesting the hitchhiker effect is nothing new… So grab a glass of holiday cheer and join us, for an all new Cosmic Cantina.

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Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantina, justin time for the holidays, we are
wandering the highways to discover more aboutthis hitch hiker effect. We discuss new
research from doctor Jim Sigala involving everythingfrom DNA linked experiences to measuring anomalous signals
during paranormal events. Then Josh finishesus off with some tales suggesting the hitch

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hiper effect is nothing new. Sograb a glass of holiday cheer and join
us for our all new Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host, Melissa Tiddle,
and every week I go to myfavorite bar, Cosmic Cantina, and kickback
with my co hosts, Josh Golumbuskiand Matt O'Connor. We talk about aliens,

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bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,and anything from the unseen world that
needs a little illumination to cosmiccanteena.I'm your host, Melissa Tittle, and
today I'm sorry to say but itis a morning episode and I am drinking

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herbal tea from glaston Berry. Ohthat sounds fancy, yeah, classic,
yeah, English coffee with the Cosmiccrew. There's a little iteration that I'm
having black coffee because I am feelinga little dusty this morning after a Christmas
party last night. But I'm hangingin there, guys, ready, ready
to talk some weird shit. Allright, let's do it. Yes,

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Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to thegood people out there in the world.
Just because we're drinking tea and nonalcoholic beverages doesn't mean you can't. You
can get down and have it theKia because we're gonna have the same energy,
save amount of joke, So don'tworry about it. I'm a little
sleepy, but I'm hopped up onlike four cups of coffee and I had
to switch the tea actually, Socheers to the new year and happy holidays
people out there. Yes, yes, I love you guys, and you

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know we are. We all mightbe hungover, but we are ready to
go. Don't worry. Don't youworry? All right, in light of
the season of light and whatever you'recelebrating the end of the year, there's
always a celebration of whatever your religionthat you follow, it's still about love

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and togetherness and family. We decidedto, you know, go a little
bit the other way and talk aboutsome things that have been coming out and
some things that have come out along time ago about the hitchhiker effect,
because you know, you never know, you get together as family for Christmas,

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and then your uncle shows up andhe's got a demon attached to him,
and then all of a sudden,everybody's got a demon attached to them,
and then everybody's fighting, and you'relike, I knew it was him.
Anyway, I hope it doesn't happenduring your happy holidays togetherness, but
it could, and we want youto. We want to give you all
the data points that you could possiblydig into. And then, of course,

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if you just don't want to thinkabout Christmas cheer, you can go
into this dark hole with us,because that's why we're here. Yes,
that's welcome. I'm filling that void, all right. All right, So
there's some new stuff that the boysare going to talk about, new and
old stuff the boys are going totalk about. Specifically, there was a

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fascinating interview with doctor Sigala, andI know, Matt, you're going to
get into this a little bit deeper. And doctor Sigala has been doing about
three years or more research at theSkinwalker Ranch and specifically has been kind of
wrapped up in the hitchhiker effect,and Matt's going to go into this interview,

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but he has I want to bringup some interesting points here in this
interview that he does most recently,I'd say about a couple weeks ago.
He points out something that I knowthat me and my colleague Ben Hansen also
came to a similar conclusion on UFOWitness season two, and that is that

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there seems to be like the phenomenonexists, but it only exists if it
can interact with you. And thereason it can interact with you, Doctor
Sigala makes this suggestion is because ofsome genetic disposition, some DNA, something
that that person has that can theninteract with whatever it is, darkness,

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light, whatever you know he's specificallytalking about it can walk a ranch and
some of the hitchhiker effects, butit seems to be some kind of genetic
link. And this was something thatthe interview is fascinating. The whole interview
is fascinating about the phenomenon, butthis specifically caught my eye because this is
something that Ben and I specifically aftergoing through all those cases, whether we

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were in Hudson Valley or Kansas orColorado. It was kind of like the
people seem to have some genetic dispositionto this experience. So I went into
some you know, boring facts,just set up list and freed and there's

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there's banjo's involved, you know,get an air and air in air.
It was, it was so fascinating. Exactly you got in my mouth,
boy, exactly exactly that kind ofstuff. Those people connect with the aliens
a lot. Yeah, we're definitely, you know, so there's all sorts
of theories, right. One ofthe theories, doctor Sigala says is that

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Native American uh DNA seems to behighly interactive with that field of whatever that
is, but that there's some othergenetic dispositions. Of course, there's the
our negative that a lot of peopletalk about that this seems to people that
with that blood sorry, our negativeseems to have more dispositions to interacting with

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alien or paranormal activity. But soI wanted just to bring up some boring
facts to set up our our investigation. Okay, yes, National Library of

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Medicine. I'm sure you've heard ofthis book. It's it's it's been around
the block. The God gene,How faith is hardwired into our genes.
The other authors Dean Hammer. Heargues that a variation in the vm A
T two gene plays a role inone's openness to spiritual experiences. In his
book, Hammer contends that one predispositiontowards spirituality is influenced by genetic factors.

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More controversially, he proposes that thev m A two T two gene is
one of many potential genes that impingeon a person's ability to be spiritual.
Hammer identifies one particular vary a changefrom you know, I'm talking to medical
terms here, but meaning I don'tnecessarily know what this means, but he

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says. Hammer identifies one particular variation, a change from A to C,
present in twenty eight percent of hisdata sets, as a marker for the
more spiritual versions of this gene.This work has not been yet published in
a scientific journal, but it's onits way. The VMA T two encodes
a transporter protein that imports several monomingneurotransmitters into parts of the brain, thus

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changing that person's ability to alter theirbrain function. So, for some reason,
these people with this gene expression havethese altered brain functions, and so
you know, I guess what I'mgoing to jump in and say, could
that altered brain function then be thisability to interact with these other dimensions of

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time and space. I think theanswer is yes. That sounds fascinating.
That's really interesting, especially connection toIndigenous American culture. I'm just thinking of
my own family. My grandmother,who has passed, looks very Native,
has like the high cheek bones,you know, not you wouldn't notice if
you were just hanging out with abunch of white people, but like she,

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we definitely have it at our lineage, my mom a little bit,
me not at all. But thereasonhy I bring it up is because you
know, we grew up in ahaunted house and there was a lot going
on and my mom and aunt andit seemed to connect to the other side
very easily. And I'm just I'mjust wondering if my family has that genetic
expression, which would make sense withthe genetic background. Yeah right, I

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mean, I think this is justthe beginning, because this has been proposed
i'd say, in this field forthe last five years. Genetic disposition our
rich negative, you know whatever.But this this doctor Jim Sagala getting involved,
presenting his three years of study atthe hitch higher effect, kind of

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getting a little bit deeper into thatand then going back to just talking about
the disposition of spirituality within our owngene code. I think that we're onto
something pretty big, and this isjust the beginning, all right. So
another thing I want to I wantto bring up that I also think is
very interesting. Published in another anotherarticle, it's called The Medium, they

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talk about this. This same kindof genetic epidemiology research suggests that personal spirituality
has a heredable component, with aboutthirty to thirty seven percent of the variants
and spirituality attributed to genetics. Ifound this really interesting. I'm always my
brain's always working in patterns because that'swhat I do. I thought, you

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know, I wonder what the percentageof you know, most of these polls
are American, right, so Iwonder what the percentage of Americans that have
reported that they have had some kindof paranormal are phenomenon experience right across the
board unexplained phenomenon paranormal experience, Andit's two in five Americans, which is

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thirty nine percent. Now, isn'tthat interesting that we went from a scientific
study we're thirty thirty seven percent ofthe variance in spiritual spirituality is attributed to
genetics, and about thirty nine percentof Americans have reported that they've had some
kind of paranormal or unknown phenomenon experiencehappened to them. Is that interesting?

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Yes, it literally lines up.So this idea of which has been going
on for a while, but nowdoctor Jim Sagall has brought it to the
surface that it could be linked toour DNA is finding itself in scientific papers
without necessarily being attached to skinwalker ranchor the hitchhiker effects. So I think
this is a bigger, bigger conversationthat will eventually get into more research.

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But this is so fascinating. Wow, that's interesting. Have you heard the
what was called the sheep goat effectnow in parapsychology. So it's basically it's
sort of saying that they describe it'sfrom it's from a like a while ago
when they first started sort of gettinginto parasitic parasite psychological experiments. But it's

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saying that the thought that sheep whothat described as sheep are motivated to prove
the existence of esp and other paranormalstuff, and that leads to a better
performance when they're trying to test forESP and other sort of remote viewing and
that sort of thing. Well,goats are motivated to disprove it, and
that leads to worse performance. Andthere was interesting with what you were saying,

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like, if you're hardwired to believe, the possibility of something happening is
increased, whereas if you're like moreskeptical and hodwired to suggest that like none
of if it's all bullshit, thenyeah, obviously nothing's going to happen.
So it's kind of like being opento it. I guess is that kind
of effect that they found with studyingpeople. So I wonder if if you

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already have that built into your DNA, you know that the spirituality or whatever
that's but then that would mean okay. So what was in really interesting about
the way that doctor Sigala said itwas that it exists, but it can
It only exists when it can interactwith you, which which doesn't mean that

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you know that number of thirty ninepercent of people with this genetic disposition are
crazy. It means that it's alwaysthere, it just can't be seen or
felt or however you see it givenyour your mind and how you register images
and thoughts and stuff like that,and so that there's a certain people that

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can actually interdimensionally communicate with things goodor bad. Right, Oh, interesting,
Okay, yeah, it comes upin Segoula's thing as well. I'll
talk about it later, but yeah, yeah, yeah, and continue on
with that. It also how youinteract it with it depends on what you
get back. So if you worshipit, basically you get maybe a miraculous

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healing or a good event with awhite lady or something positive happens. If
you interact bad, if you're disrespectful, something bad happens. What does that
sound like to you, guys?It sounds like very godlike behavior, like
ancient god behavior. You worship me, I love you, you say something
bad, I kill all your people. It's very I would say, classic
quote unquote godlike. And it justreminds me. There was this quote from

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Tom DeLong that recently surfaced on Twitter, and I'm not gonna I don't.
I couldn't find it, so I'lljust give the gist of it. But
basically he was saying, like,what if there was a godlike race that
was and here hidden somehow in ourshadow biodome all this time that manipulates humanity
once in a while to push justin the right direction. But at the
same time a force from outside thesolar system has come in and now they're

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at odds. So the second partof that is interesting, but not related
to what I was saying. Myquote is just like Tom knows some stuff,
like the phenomenon feels very godlike.I know that from the UFO classically,
but even this, like how youtreat it determines what you get.
That is very like jealous entity tome, very Greek god, you know,
you know and like, and thenbad things happen if if you say

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the bad, if you do somethingbad of the gods, you disrespect the
gods, bad things happen. SoI just thought that that whole part of
the interview and how how you interactwith it determines what you get. Is
it's kind of fascinating because that's likeat a great thing for the cosmic cantina,
like where I was bouncing the darknessand light and maybe it's both all
the time, just depends how whatlends you see it through. Yeah,

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that's true, but then but thenhow do you make the argument for the
people doing the investigations at Skinwalker Inch. You know, the hitchhiker effect.
Well, they're being disrespectful. Imean, I mean not really. I
support what they're doing, but they'relike trying to poke at it. They're
literally poking at it. They're tryingto get the response. They're being dicked.
They're like show me, show meyour face. You know. They're

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literally yelling things too, you know, and shooting rocket They're fucking shooting rockets
at it, like they're firing mistliterally trying to gods. You know.
Of course they get negative effects,that's why they're like yeah. Yeah.
Sagala mentions that having like a respectfor the land like that Native American people
did really sort of determines the outcomebecause he he mentions, in this the

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study of the hitchhiker effect, itreally isn't all just like negative stuff.
There was a bunch of like positivelike transformational I think he said healing at
one point as well. And I'dlike to sort of dive into that.
If we can have a talk tothe guy, would be awesome. Yeah,
it thin gets, but yeah,he sort of says the if you
go into it with a positive disposition, Holy shit, I said it great.

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Uh, you know, of howyou want to interact with it,
you get much better like more positiveoutcome than if you're you know, and
I know they're trying to, likeyou said, fuck with it. They're
trying to see what they can provoketoo, and that's maybe more of like
trying to get something in front ofthe cameras as quickly as possible, because
that's how like film production goes.But but yeah, they should they should

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have people like they should do theopposite. They should have like an orgy
like out in the field. Theyshould have like a food bank there.
They should do like super positive things. I mean, that was a weird
connection to food bank to orgy.But you don't trying to say like very
ghost there, man, just tryingto fuck with it. Literally if an
orgy isn't a positive thing, Imean I get what you're going, but
it's like Harve scene energy a badchoice, bad choice, fine to watch,

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I would say. Interesting. Thatis true though, Like when you're
doing a TV show, you don'thave a lot of time. You're not
out there for a whole week waitingfor something to interact with you. You
got like like a couple hours sometimeswhere Ben Hansen would just be yelling.
He'd be like, show yourself.I'd be like, oh my god,

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I can't, right, dude,you know, I don't know. I'm
I'm all for scientific study because it'sthe only way that we're going to actually
quantify within this space and time thatsomething outside of this space and time exists
and is interacting with us, andwe don't know, we don't have any
control. So I love that.I love that, let's get more data,

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let's do some more scientific stuff.But I don't really want it to
be at the peril of my blindnesswithin this time and space, like an
attachment or something pissed at me.So like when it bends like yelling,
you know, I'm like, okay, cool, could we just leave me
alone. I'm not yelling, he'syelling. Yeah, I agree with youmill

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say. I appreciate the science,but it's just like the wrong it's just
like the wrong way of going aboutit. I mean, literally, is
this supposed to be a vortex?They figured out like a hole right above
the ground that they're firing rockets thatdo they're literally firing missiles into like an
asshole, you know, like they'rejamming missiles up the ets butt and we're
like, why is it negative?It's so negative? How dare they hurt

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us? You know, like gees, you know, sir, a dog
man following me home? What thefuck? Right? Like i'd follow him
home too, Like, so Ijust think even what you're saying when you're
on, when you're doing your showsand stuff, like, you want to
approach it with a positive angle becausethat's what you'll get back. And that's
that's fascinating. That needs more resource. This is really interesting times we're living.
I feel like like a science fictionstory is unfolding in front of me,

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like in real time and reality thesedays, and like this conversation,
what you just were talking about nowlike ten years ago would have been bat
shit and now look where we are. This is this is kind of a
crazy time. Like everyone wanted thatUAP build of passed with the amendments for
eminent domain, and I wasn't goingto bring that up because god, I
hate to say, because you know, I'm a woman, I'm the only
one of this podcasts, but I'msort of right that that was gonna come

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out. Well, yeah, wasgonna have any teeth to Yeah, So
like the new one but again,like I take the birds eye view on
this, I'm like very like,no, it's actually good progress. Regardless
of we want next year, theycan go out again. There's a lot
of noise right now. This weekthere was a general who went on news
Nation who's basically flat out said thatnon human intelligence exists. It's time we

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tell the public. I forget hisname, like a legit general. That
happened this week. So more whistlealways, more people are going to say
things going for Chuck Schumer, likejust give the most fiery ass speech on
the Congress floor about the UAP bill, which is fascinating because the guys who
blocked it are heavily funded by LockheedMartin and some of these corporations. But
Chuck Schumer is also has money inhis coffers from Lockheed and stuff. So

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I'm not quite sure what to makeof all that is at all theater.
I have a feeling some people aremore influenced than others. Yeah, could
be, yeah, yeah, No, We're definitely living in crazy times.
And I think that that thirty ninepercent, if that's a true number,

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is you know, is becoming verystrong like saying, hey, this is
really happening. So then you've gotthat other seventy percent that doesn't have that
genetic disposition. They need all ofthis scientific data. Like a lot of
people go into this. You know, no one would be on a show

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besides somebody just to be a skeptic. But like you wouldn't go on a
show, you wouldn't go into aninvestigation if you weren't already like, I
know something's out there, I justneed to prove it scientifically. So that's
a different voice than someone who islike, I don't want to talk about
it, not real. I'm goingto focus on my grocery list and my
Christmas presence and not dealing with that, right yeah, yeah, but but

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but those people will come around ifit becomes scientifically part of our reality,
proved by words and science and structuresthat are normal to them, right,
if they don't have the God disposition. So that is what I feel this
community is ramping up. It's like, the funny thing about this community is

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that we feel like we're trying toprove things to each other, which is
ridiculous, which is why things likewe're not uniting as that thirty nine percent
of people who really believe we're toobusy trying to prove to the other part
of the thirty nine percent that ourresearch is valid. It's such a waste
of time. It's more like,everybody, just get your shit together and
use all that scientific data to startchanging how science is looking at interdimensional entities

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and reality. I think that that'sthe change that needs to happen, and
it's happening. And I think that'swhat you're saying, Josh, is that
the bill is a good step inthe right direction to getting that seventy percent
really on board with it being partof the reality. Yeah, totally.
I absolutely agree. It's a greatstep forward, and I'm not so bitter

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anymore. Of course, I wantedfull disclosure right away. By the way,
the new hot phrase everyone is catastrophicdisclosure. That's a new hot phrase
all over. Love it. Youknow, people want to come forward.
They can't control it. It's anuncontrolled disclosure. Now. I don't know,
we'll see. I think I thinkthey're smarter than we think they are,
these people who are releasing the information, and they're playing games that we

(22:26):
probably just don't fully understand. SoI'm probably just a victim of all of
it. Yeah, I believe youguys. Don't you think we should have
like a red zone, but forjust disclosure, you know, like like
red zone football. It's like thisbreakdown of all the big plays that are
happening all the time. Huld justbe like disclosure. You could have that

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floor At ESPN, they're like,Okay, what's happening zone? If someone
needs to't do that. Seriously,especially with the popularity picking up, I'd
watch that every day. I'd loveto see that. Such. We could
do that. Yeah, we coulddo That's like what it is. That's
what Twitter is, man, Theyjust happens. Congressman said this. Congressman
said that, and then that wouldbe the topic for the whole day.

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If people love it, they lovethe drama of it all, you know,
yeah, totally. I could getlike long hair extensions and fake eyelashes
and like perk up my boobs,you know, like just like on the
casters is the one woman and theguys and they're like, yeah, but
it is disclosure. Such a maledrama. Okay, all right, Matt
O'Connor, break down to it.Break down for us the Doctor Sigala interview.

(23:32):
Oh okay, well man, whatdo I even start with this.
There's so many, so many thingsthat popped up with this that were super
fascinating. And how did doctor Sigalaget involved with the Skinwalker Ranch, the
show Hitchhiker effects, Like, like, it's just so. He He was
obviously in the first season of theSkinwalker Ranch show with Travis Tyler. Mm

(23:56):
hmmm. And I forget how.I think he mentions it briefly maybe in
that interview and I should give hima shout out. It was called the
Off the Ranch podcast. The hostis Dean and he did the interview with
Sigala just to give him a plugthere. He's a great interview. Yeah,
it was good. Yeah, sohe Sigala. I guess I don't

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know how he got into it.He was sort of studying this kind of
related stuff by the sound of it, and then sort of got pulled into
the whole. I don't I don'tthink he was with NIST when they first
did that first book of the SkinwalkerRanch, but he came with the show

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for sure. So he was inseason one and then he kind of left
the show to basically follow up onall this Hitchhiker stuff before it even any
of this sort of came out.But one of the things, like just
to tag on from what we weresaying before he mentioned sort of towards the
end of the interview, is hewas saying that the theory is that when

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you have an experience on the ranchor wherever else, they're not sure whether
it kind of opens you up toseeing more stuff, like there's something in
the brain that sort of opens up, or it's the fact that it tears
down those walls that you kind ofbring up, you kind of build as
you you know, you know,you start off with a kid, and

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they say kids are more susceptible toparanormal kind of stuff, but as you
get older and you study and yougo through school and all that sort of
stuff, you build up walls tokind of shut down that perception of that
kind of world. And he wassuggesting that maybe once you have an experience,
it kind of breaks down those wallsin your psyche. Anyway, I

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thought that was just interesting but totallyand then also he I really love the
stuff where he's talking about, likewas talking about before, like the positive
and the negative and going in withall that sort of stuff and the Native
American presence where they had like hisdeep respect for the land, and it

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was almost like they not worshiped theland, but there was It was very
much like this symbiotic relationship they havewith the land, and Travis Taylor has
a but they but Native Americans also, even with the respect of the land,
also identified negative entities like for sure, for sure, you know.

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So it's not that they didn't exist, they just kind of are like,
that's where they are, don't wedon't go there? Yea, yeah,
yeah, So this came up onthe show, I guess, but I
don't think Travis Taylor went into it. But a recent interview he had with
I think George Knapp. Do youremember on the show, Josh when he

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got like a sore on his face? Travis did, he was people go
away for a while. So therewas a part, I guess you remember
the episode where they brought in therabbi to do like an exorcism kind of
thing of the land. They're basicallyagain just trying to fuck with the whatever
was there, just trying to pokethe bear basically. Yeah, So they

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brought them this rabbi, and therabbi did this big ceremony and they sort
of tried to cleanse any sort ofnegative energy that was happening here. And
I don't remember a lot happening fromthat. But after Travis said, after
they stopped filming, the rabbi cameup to him and said something along the
lines of they're coming to see youtonight. And Travis was like, what

(27:37):
the who Who's coming to see me? And the Rabbi is like, I
don't know whatever's on this land,They're coming to see you tonight. And
so Travis said, he just figuredthis this guy was just yeah, this
guy was just fucking with him,like he was just like he was pretty
like, you know, jovial kindof guy. I guess he just thought
he was like messive with him.But he said later that night he had

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this vivid dream that he was asleepin his trailer on the lake on the
in the ranch in Utah, andhe had this vivid dream that the door
to the to his locked door tothe trailer he was sleeping in slid open
suddenly and in walked an old nativeNative American guy in like the old garb

(28:23):
and stuff, came and stood overhis bed. And I think Travis mentioned
like he didn't I don't think hementioned that he couldn't move or whatever,
but he didn't seem to do much, and he watched this Native American guy
just stand over him and just sortof shake his head like, you know,
like what are you fuckers doing?Like seriously really, and then he

(28:45):
said he came and touched him onthe side of his cheek, this one
spot on his cheek, and andthen again like shook his head like you
don't fucking do this, like whatare you doing? Sort of like a
not so much a warning, justlike a disapproval I guess from the Native
America guy. But anyway, sohe worke up from this dream and like

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all everything was fine, and thedoor was shut, and he goes into
the bathroom and the trailer and looksin the mirror and has like this bloody
spot on his cheek where he wastouched. And anyway, the sore kind
of developed there and it kind ofdidn't go away for a while, and
he was kind of like concerned withwhat was happening there. But that was
kind of like an odd I guess, kind of a hitchhokery effect. But

(29:29):
he was still on on the onthe property of that interesting connection there.
O'Connor remember that book we read.I can't remember off the top of my
head. It came out before allthe modern books about Skinwalker Ranch, about
the dude who disappeared into the otherdimension from Skinwalker Ranch to security Guard and
he encountered, he encountered a shaman. He encountered a dude like was and
then now Travis Taylor is seeing thisdude. That's right. He was sitting

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at a bar and then shaman cameup and was like, had all these
like really old silver coins or something. Yeah. Also in the other dimension
though, he met the this shamanlike character. So I'm trying to say,
is that's like the entity whatever thatis, whatever it's manifesting as.
Because also in the first skim Walkerbook they talked about how there's one thing
kind of hovering, a short mankind of figure that I remember them saying

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that at the end they remote viewedthat. It's just interesting that Travis saw
a shaman character after all that previouskind of evidence of speculation. Something's going
on with the shaman guy. Mightbe I don't know what that means.
It might just be a manifestation,but I find that fascinating. Could be,
Yeah, maybe he's kind of protectingthat portal, you know, and

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yeah, I just loved it,Like he just walked in just like shaking
his head like fucking dumb dumbs.Don't put bombs in my hole. Yeah,
stop shooting rockets if you could stopthat, right. So anyway,
here's what old Duc Sigala. Here'swhat his uh experiments. I guess this

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double blind study that he did.Uh, he's we went three years researching
this and it was the whole likethis very high electromagnetic and gamma radiation bursts
that coincide with people experiencing shit,and it's like inexplicable. So what he

(31:17):
basically did is his long story short. He explains it in detail on the
interview obviously, and I'm going tobutcher it here. But so basically had
these devices and I think he chosewhat was it thirty seven different people who
were in and out of the ranchduring the time. Some of them were
high level government people, some ofthem were just like some of the camera

(31:38):
crew and stuff, the production crew. Actually, it was interesting they were
saying, like some of the productioncrew on the first and second seasons or
whatever quit the show and did notwant to be there, did not want
to return to the place anymore becauseof the amount of like negative hitchhiker stuff
that were happening once they got home, and so they you know, they

(31:59):
didn't have anything to do with it. So it must have been like pretty
freaky stuff. And it was likesome of the stuff We've already talked about
it before, obviously, and Iguess Josh has a few more of those
stories after this. But I getsome good stuff, You get some good
stuff. Yes, I'm already semigoing on. Any So, Cigala basically

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had developed these little monitoring devices thathe would send home to these people and
it would basically measure the electromagnetic andgamma radiation around the people specifically who gave
you these devices to and basically itwould send information back to doctor Sigala and

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he would sort of monitor this andsort of document everything that was happening.
So when he saw these big spikeshappen, he had an idea that maybe
something was happening, But he didn'tever like get back to the people and
be like, hey, something justhappened, what was it. He let
them come back to him, soit didn't like interfere. They were like,

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oh, I don't know the dogwas barking maybe, so, so
that was kind of how he youknow, sort of allowed to just have
the science and just measure what washappening and then have the people come back.
So he started collecting all his data. Over the three year period,

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he detected nearly six hundred incidents ofvery high radiation spikes immediately before, during,
and after all sorts of stuff fromUFO sidings to you know, inside
inside their homes sort of paranormal experiences. And he says in many cases these
spikes were in excess of thirty timesthe baseline of just the normal like background

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radiation noise, and cannot be accountedby any known normal, terrestrial based or
space based phenomena, so weird stuffwould happen. He would see these spikes
happen, and basically he was ableto predict, Okay, this is a
pretty big spike. Something is happeningto these people, but would let them

(34:12):
come to him with whatever, youknow, they're reported, rather than being
like, hey, I saw somethinghappen in your house. Tell me what's
going on? You know what I'msaying, Because he wanted to see if
it was real or not, rightlike you wanted to so he got some
great data from this, and someof the stuff that came out was like
was wild stuff, like it was, so he has this I have the

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He's got like a I don't know, it's like a deck pitch deck kind
of thing of you know, laysout the whole experiment. I have a
PDF of it here. And oneof the cases he mentions, it's called
case study two three three. Andduring this time it was like a huge
spike that happened and basically they gotback to him this family of and it

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was like one of these people whowas like a high level government employee,
and so they got back to Jimafterwards, and oh, an interesting thing
he was saying is like people wouldthere's this interesting effect where something paranormal will
happen, and it's like they needtime for their brain to register that something

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happened, you know. So therewas they were saying, like something would
happen the night before and it waslike super bizarre and it was only until
like in you know, you know, it wasn't a big deal at the
time. It was like this oddlike oh okay, that's interesting and then

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go back to sleep kind of thing. And it was only until the next
night when they're lying in bed andthinking about and being like, wait,
that was super fucking weird, Likewhy am I not more concerned about this?
So there was that kind of thingwe talked about that before, I
think with some especially like UFO inbductioncases and stuff like that, where you
just kind of like nonchalantly like wanderthrough the experience, whether it's your brain

(36:05):
being like in shock or something,or the ontological shock, or whether they
sort of like shut down your abilityto do anything about it anyway. So
this particular report, this happened tothe entire family. So this guy who
was on the ranch came home Cigalameasures this huge spike during this I think

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it was a few hour period duringthe night, and it says the reported
observations were interrupted sleep the evening beforewith super bad dreams, like horrific dreams.
Everyone in the family had it.Everyone in the family, and the
family sort of once they woke fromthese dreams had these horrible headaches each one

(36:52):
of them did. Two people inthe house reported the migraine level headaches like
horrible headaches. One person experienced asevere nosebleed afterwards as well, which is
super fun. Ringing in the earsthat started in the afternoon before this happened.
I'm guessing it's kind of a physiologicalreaction to the high levels of this

(37:15):
radiation that's just sort of spikes aroundthem all of a sudden. Yeah.
Yeah, And anyway, after thisperiod of spike, everything went back to
all, but they experienced like someweird shit. And so he said,
actually, the guy who was thethe dad, I guess was the government

(37:39):
employee, the high level government employee, and he actually reported this incident to
the FBI and the NCIS because hebelieved that it was some foreign adversary fucking
with his family. That's how badit was. Syndrome. Yeah, and
so this whole thing links to theHavana syndrome. So he's been like investigating

(38:00):
that as well. So he goesinto like a few different case studies,
and there was a really interesting oneas well, where a huge spikes happens
and this guy reports back to himthat he had this interrupted sleep starting after
midnight. He kind of felt reallydisorientated and confused. And his comment was

(38:25):
he didn't go into detail of whatexactly happened, but his comment was,
if I were ever to say Iwas abducted. It would have been last
night, So he had some wildexperience. He doesn't know what it was.
Does he go into detail besides ita horrific dream, No, it's
not. He doesn't go into anydetail on what happened, but he said

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like it was basically an abduction levelexperience that he believed may have happened during
that time. And again we seeevery one of these experiences that he measured
lines up perfectly with this huge splackand radiation level. So something either like
opening up or you know, andit's all these people who were on the
ranch. And so he describes theuh, that kind of viral nature of

(39:12):
how it spreads as entanglement as inlike quantum entanglement, like on a on
a quantum level, what makes yourconsciousness and all that sort of stuff.
I'm super scientifically explaining this all thatstuff stuff. Basically it entangles with whatever
this is, and it spreads withpeople you come into contact with as well.

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So it's on a quantum level,you're just kind of spreading the stuff
out, which is super See doyou ever see that movie? It follows
the whole movie is my favorite transmitteddemon. Yeah, you transmit the Yeah,
exactly, it's sexually transmitted, butit's kind of like that where it
comes in contact with your energy andthen it spreads. But I honestly think

(39:58):
that that's happening all the time.We're just we just don't know it.
We go to we go to arestaurant, we go to someone's house.
Like it's it's a thing, youknow, And and the more sensitive you
become as a bean, you pickup on that. And I think a
lot of people are like, oh, that person or I hate that restaurant
or whatever. But it's the energythat gets transmuted. And then eventually,
if you're not feeding it, youknow, that's where that positive manifestation crap

(40:22):
comes into the woodness. If you'renot feeding it, it can't live off
of you. It has to goto someone else. Yeah, yeah,
that's right. That's that's exactly whatthey were mentioning in the skin Walkers of
the Pentagon book. I think itwas either Colm Kelloher or Lakatski. One
of those guys basically said the wayto stop the hitchhiker effect from happening is

(40:45):
to just ignore it, don't giveit any like the more he was saying
like people were trying to use likesaging and bring in like shamans and priests
and stuff to so I exercise itand it was just feeding it was making
it worse. So he said theway to stop it was just ignore it,

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don't give it attention, which ispretty classic, you know. Yeah.
Anyway, so it was interesting.So he has enough data now,
Sigala has enough data now that hesays, Okay, this is a legitimate
thing. We can see there's uhcause and effect things going on here.

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We can measure things. We havedata, we have data. So his
next phase of the study is hewants to deploy like three to six hundred
of these devices around people who areexperiencing this stuff around the world, not
just in America too. Wow.And he said they have enough data now
where they they're at the point wherethey can predict when it's going to happen,

(41:50):
which is huge. Oh wow.So they can see they can see
with the with the levels they're gettingwhen something is about to happen, and
how far in advance minutes or isit, Like I don't I don't know
the answer to that off the topof my head. I think he maybe
mentions that in the interview, butbasically they can sort of predict how when

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it's going to happen, and sowhat he wants to do now is try
and communicate with whatever it is.That's his next step is trying to work
out what it is, what itwants, why it's here, all that
stuff. So that's huge. Ireally want to get, you know,
some insight into what he wants tokind of do with that. Like we're
on the cutting edge. The answeris in our lifetime we'll know some of

(42:35):
this ship. It's gonna be great, right, Yeah. But one interesting
thing that the interview actually brought upat the end of the interview, Dean
Big Dean he uh he says thatthe whole disclosure thing that's happening right now,
everything that we're seeing, the bill, all that stuff, it all

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stems from an incident that happened atthe ranch. It all comes from that
and it was all through like Lakatski, who started off with it's in the
book actually anyway, Lakatski, thethe guy who sort of helped set up
the as swaps as wipe what's itcalled that program swap? It was like

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the precursor to the whatever the thewell I think, yeah, I said
what it was anyway, so hehe had a siding. He went to
after reading the first book, Lakatski, the Skinwalker Ranch book, the first
one, he contacted Bigelow and wantedto go see what was happening at the

(43:45):
ranch. He went to the ranchand saw a sort of a strange looking
UFO that was sighted in the sky. It was like this tube shape and
the tube was actually he said,look, it was the exact I don't
know if you know Mike Oldfield's music, but it was like the exact shape

(44:06):
that was on the album cover ofMike Oldfield's album about Bells or something like
that. The actually, it's interestingthat song that the famous song from that
album is the main theme for theExorcist movie, which is weird. But
anyway, he saw that shape andthat was kind of like his his basically,

(44:29):
you know, the starting point tokick off that whole investigation into a
normal's phenomena and basically led to everythingwas like snowballing that led to where we
are here from that incident. Basically, the whole like tik tak video release
and the New York Times article andeverything sort of stems from this point that

(44:52):
sort of comes out of the ranch, which is interesting anyway, just a
little side note there. But yes, so that's the uh, that's the
big experiment, which I really wantto talk to this guy if we can,
and then see see where it goesfrom here. Yeah, well I
think it's just starting. So thisis good data points I think to to

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take in given a lot of otherpeople's data before this, to reinforce it.
But I know, Josh, youhave a really interesting story about hitchhiker
effect that goes more into the personal. Obviously we were talking about big data
points and gathering. This could bethis could be the phenomenon that's happening.
But Josh, what tell us aboutwhat you've dug up? Well, we've

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all heard of the phrase the hitchhikereffect, but ladies and gentlemen, have
you heard of the phrase paranormal fallout? Before hitchhiker effect, we had paranormal
fallout, which I think is actuallya cooler title. So we already did
it once better. I don't knowwhy we got to switch the Hitchhiker effect.
So I came across this term fromRaymond Fowell, or the famous UFO
investigator and writer who wrote the addressbooks the Addressing an Affair, and this

(46:01):
is actually from the book the Addressthe n Affair Legacy, and he was
explaining what happens to people after theyhave contact with the UFO, not necessarily
spreading well that as well, buthow afterwards you have all these paranormal and
psychic things seem to happen that followyou. So you have an event and
then all this happens to you.Now you think about it, what's the
hitchhiker effect? It's like, isit a place or or an event?

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It could be either, right,you can go to skinwalk a ranch and
something can follow you home, oryou can see a UFO in the field
in Iowa and that shit will followyou home. And the same things happen
from entities, dog man orbes.Everything that's the same from the hitchhiker effect
is the same from a paranormal falloutfrom a UFO contact event. So that's

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the basis of my thesis. SoI read this book called the Falkland UFO
Incident by Malcolm Robinson. The FalklandUFO Incident is the roswell of Scotland.
It's their biggest event and it's reallyreally interesting and I've referenced this book before
while we talked about bubbles. RememberI was obsessed with like aliens talking to
people through bubbles. There's like there'sa part in this book about it.

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So I just that's where I got. It's also some really cool shit in
here. So I'm going to gointo this story what happened and then the
paranormal fallout that happened to him afterthe first major UFO event. So this
happened in September nineteen ninety six nearNewton of Falkland, central Scotland, which
I have no idea. It's probablyrolling hills. Everything's green and misty,
the people with giant red beards.It's a pretty awesome place. Never been

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there. There was four major witnesses. Two were adults, one was a
team boy, and then a littleten year old boy named Peter. This
is all pseudonyms. So Mary isthis is the main lady, the mother
of Peter, and then her friendJane was with her. So the first
sighting happened at eight oh five pmwhen Mary, her friend Jane, and

(47:49):
the boy Peter were on their wayto town to get coffee. And what
was this story? Nineteen ninety sixninety six. Okay, so they saw
this huge stationary light. They pulledthem over. They get out of the
car. A giant beam of lightkind of like hits near their car.
Something the light as it gets closer, it seems like two lights, and
then when it's right above them,it kind of fully materializes, so she
can see it clearly, and thelights are blinding her, and it's a

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giant black triangle not that far away, and it slowly glides off. She
shines her light at it a fewtimes, and when she does that,
just like we've heard other stories,the ship shines lights back at her,
like communicating with her. Oh wow, okay, so they get all they
get scared. They go, let'sget out of here. They go home,
and they get their teenager, whodoesn't believe anything. They're saying,
typical moody teenager. Too much testosterand hormones going through their body. Yeah,

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this is bullshit, And they go, okay, hey, let's get
back in the car. Let's getback out there. Let's see what's going
on, to see if we cansee it again. We're not so scared,
we're curious. So they go backout. This time they see hundreds
of these luminous lights in the sky, just kind of hovering above the tree
line, and it's a different experience. There's no black triangle, like what
all those lights they were star likeobjects is how they were described. And
there was these pillars of light inthe forest they saw, and then when

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when they look closer, they sawthese different colors of like pillows of light.
And they look and they see typicallittle gray aliens walking and running around
kind of fast forward motion, pickingthings up and bringing it back to the
center of these beams. Like there'sno shit. But they're like they're bringing
it back to the light and there'sjust tall for berries. Yep, yeah,
yeah, something like that, orlike, well they did some weird
shit. I'll get to that ina second. And then there's this taller

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being there, but they can't reallymake out the height yet or they don't
really give details. Okay, Sothen they go home, and for some
reason they're like, Okay, let'ssee they've got our nerves back up,
we got this, go back againand see if we can see this thing.
They basically kept getting scared and thenleaving and coming back, which I
get, which is touch typical humanbehavior because I would do the same thing.
So they go back a third time, and this time they noticed that

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the being in the forest is abouthalf the size of the trees. So
they kind of go back to thesame area. They're still there like nothing
nothing changed. They're still out theredoing whatever their finger bang in the earth
or whatever they're doing. This fifteenfoot being is like half the size of
the tree, and they're like justshocked how big it is. Has a
flat face, it's browner skin,doesn't really it doesn't really look or isn't
described like any typical alien I've everheard of. The Grays, for sure.

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This is this tall ass brown beingwith a shovel face, and it's
like fifteen feet tall. It's justa very unique entity that I've never heard
before. So look at this being. They suddenly realized that all of a
sudden, they're like, wait,are these things are getting closer to us?
Because they move kind of weird andthey move fast. And then they
noticed that these aliens are in thesebubbles and this is what Jane described it
as she goes. It looked likea very fibrous like a cocoon or a

(50:29):
large soap bubble, and that allthese little small beings of small grays were
being carried across the field and ittowards their car, their legs never moving,
So that's why they looked weird froma distance. They were just like
moving around quick and they're in thesebubbles. Now I've heard of these bubbles
before in multiple different UFO stories,I forget off the top of my head.
But it's a thing like they justtravel and bubbles sometimes. Okay,

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Now that's the major event. That'snot the point of this story. That
was just to set up what happenedto them. And Malcolm was investigating them
and did a lot of audio recordingswith them and really dug get into the
family and what happened to them.Now, this is what happened afterwards.
Is this the hitchhiker effect? Contactwith UFO leads to all these things happened
to you just like going to alocation like Skinwalker Ranch or was it more
paranormal fallout? And is there adifference between the two titles because this is

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them. The paranormal fallout to meis more like, no, something's just
washing you. Now, it's notlike a virus that's like, I don't
know, like making you sick.Or something. It's more like once you
get noticed, they notice you fora while. That to me is more
what the panormal fallout. So theyhad classic scoop marks on their bodies,
all four of them. They saworbes, weird dreams, all sorts of

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stuff happened. Here's some of thestuff I've never heard before, or I've
heard and I thought was interesting thathappened to them. That was some of
the paranormal fallout from this event.They went back to the place like a
few days later where they saw theUFO, and there was a There was
an igloo randomly there, like asuper complex really perfect, especially said it
goes. It was made out ofweeds and grasses and was all intertwined and

(51:59):
she couldn't recall seeing any twigs.This left are totally gobsmacked. It was
like five feet tall, this randomright where they were, right where these
beings were. There's super intricate,super amazing igloo. Could some of put
it there before, maybe, butthey were familiar with the area and apparently
it didn't make sense. It wasalso a large rock moved so in their
house. This is something that we'veheard before. There was a strange smell

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quote Mary then informed the author abouta strange smell that pervaded the family home
some days after her UFO m counter. It was horrible burning, a acid
smell or acidic smell, she said, which was all over the house.
They couldn't account for it. Asmell like burnt paper. Classic demon stuff
going on there. Yeah, yeah, Well, the son Peter saw a

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white lady, a mini white lady, a small one in the cupboard in
his room, just in his room. Randomly. He had been playing on
the bedroom floor when all of asudden, the mistsdrifted out from beneath this
cupboard and then developed into the formof a white lady, which I wanted
to point out because you know me, I'm obsessed with a white lady.
The lady of Fatima crisp those stories. Anytime I get a white lady in
there, I gotta check my personalbiases or something. Ghost dogs. This

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is a fun one that I hadnever heard before. Mary. This is
straight from the book. Mary wenton to inform me that there's a ghost
of a dog in her house whichsometimes runs by her. The family don't
own a dog. A few weeksprior to our visit, the family heard
the sounds of this dog, althoughthey couldn't see it, At which point
the family cat shot straight out ofthe kitchen with eyes as white as saucers,

(53:30):
with its tail all bristling out.One day, both Mary and her
husband went into the kitchen, wherethey were both amazed to hear the sound
of something lapping out the cat's waterbowl, and yet nothing could be seen.
Now, what's interesting about that isa couple of things. One,
they were noticing this before they evenhad the UFO event, which is something
you hear also as well. It'slike almost like a build up is a

(53:50):
ripple in times, like when youhave a UFO day the hitchhiker effect or
the paranormal fallout echoes both ways.So there's a build up and then there's
a release and that gets So that'sthat's a really funny thing, or not
a funny thing. But it's anevent, right, So did it happen
before or after or right now oris it just it's just happening. It

(54:12):
just all of a sudden just happensto them. Yeah, like like like
there is no time in the experience. It's just an event and now they're
in it. Yeah, I know, you're getting that yeah, yes,
yes, And then Matt, whatwere you saying about the guy? He
was studying it and like you couldpick up right before something was going to
happen, you know, it's thesame thing that's like a ripple backwards,

(54:34):
you know, like the the radiationspike. They probably had smaller things happening
than the big spike. Is whenlike a big event happens and then you
deal with the follow out afterwards.So this is the end of the story
that I thought was really probably themost you know, craziest part about the
story is the boy Peter. Theyrecorded them, they audio recorded them,
and they asked him about like,well, what's happened to you, Peter,

(54:57):
what's going on with you, buddy? Anything weird happened at school or
any He goes, yeah, hegoes quote, there was a green one,
a brown one, and a hugewhite one at school in the classroom.
These ones did not have any teeth. The gray one was holding the
top of my pencil, show mewhat number to write, And they're all
like what, Okay, what'd youjust say? What are you saying to
me? Kid? And the kidslike yeah, yeah. When I wake
up in the morning, they're inmy room. Oh it's just a kid,

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and they come downstairs with me.They get in the taxi with me.
They call a taxi in Scotland inthe nineties, apparently whatever the bus
was or whatever. They go toschool with me. They're at school.
They helped them with like an artproject. At one point they kind of
talked to him, but he doesn'tspecific about words. And these beings are
with them all day. They comehome with them, and he sees them
all the time and there, andthen at one point in the audio,

(55:43):
he goes, well, why don'tyou guys just ask him. They're standing
right over there, and they alllook at the window with the kids pointing,
and they're all like, what,they're here right now. So they
start taking pictures. They start tryingto like talk to these beings, and
not much happens. But then themom steps in and says, well,
yeah, I can see him too. And what happens is there's like a
shimmering that you kind of notice,and then if you concentrate on the shimmering,

(56:06):
you'll start to see their faces.But last time I did that much,
one rushed towards me and I passedout and I blocked out. I
don't know what happened yet, butI saw like a gray alien face come
at me. So this boy basicallyhad three imaginary friend aliens. They were
helping them, and like if younotice, like the kids' stories generally aren't
that dark, some are, butlike the kid's innocent is open to it.
They're just like literally helping them.So they fallow this boy around and

(56:29):
just kind of like interestingly study withthem. Now they're also this book gets
into like their neighbors other people seeingstuff, which gets more classic Hitchhiker how
it spreads out. But what I'mtrying to get at is like it can
spread, but the initial interaction iswhat sparks in. It doesn't have to
be Skinwalker Ranch. It just hasto be a paranormal event, a UFO
setting something like that. And that'skind of like the end of my spiel.
But I just love the term paranormalfallout. I think that's like needs

(56:52):
to be a movie title that Ineed to make. It's a little cheesy
fall out boy, you know,like paranormal fallout, paranormal thought out boy.
So yeah, I thought that wasfascinating and I just I love that
term, and I definitely want toexplore it more. Yeah, that's cool.
I wonder if if you search that, I mean, is that like
a moof on time or something thatyou could like search topics like that.

(57:15):
No, I just saw I haveto do more research. I literally I
was at a moof on Christmas partyand I bought a bunch of like old
photographs of UFOs, and I boughtthis book, Raymond Follows book, The
Address Legacy. It was cool.And because you can't find the book online
or if you can, it's likeone hundred bucks, I'm not going to
buy it. So I got itfor like, you know, it was
an auction. I just paid tenbucks for it. And that term was

(57:37):
in there, Raymond follower. Apparentlythat was a known term to UFO investigators,
like back in the eighties nineties,like when things happen, it's a
paranormal fallout of the event, andnow today we call it the hitchhiker event
hitchhiker effect, but it's more associatedwith a location, not the UFO,
not a UFO event itself, particularlythough both are true, Like hitchhiker effect
is also people start seeing UFOs.It's all connected, you know. Yeah,

(58:01):
there was one thing. It cameup with the I forgot to mention
the cigar stuff. He was sayingalso along with you know, the bloodlines
and you know, whatever sort ofDNA you have going on, but it's
the beliefs. And he was mentioningthat there'd be a couple of people in

(58:22):
a room who would witness something they'dsee where they'd both recognize that there was
something like in a corner of aroom, say, but they would each
see it slightly differently, like itwas using their own consciousness and their own
perception to manifest how they would seeit. You know, am I explaining

(58:43):
that right now? So very similarto what kind of John Keel was kind
of getting at that it's all onething, but it manifests itself depending on
how you view the world, howyou what your beliefs are, all that
kind of stuff. You know,what kind of DNA you have? Yeah,
yeah, right, totally anyway,interesting stuff. Yeah, I think

(59:08):
I think that this is just we'regonna have so many more conversations about this,
especially as this this uh stuff heatsup And isn't Gary Nolan doing his
own scientific studies now? I meanhe's moving forward, right, He just
did a big, big interview withlet's see Australian guye Russ Coldot, Yeah,

(59:29):
on Australian TV, Like we're notgoing to wait for the government to
figure it out. We're going forwardwith it. And you know, his
his big thing is DNA also,so I think that this is this is
something we've you know, you talkabout a lot, but now we have
more data and I think that thisis just really interesting. I think that

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we all of us listening, havesome connection to this, and that's why
we're interested, because it's a partof us that exists in our reality that
we necessarily don't want to talk topeople about it, or we do want
to talk to people about it,and if we do, we want us
on educated or we want to laughabout it, or you know, you
just want to hear us tell Dickjokes, which I'm very disappointed in you
too. There was none in thisepisode, but that's what you get for

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not having a beer at nine o'clock. Now the rockets shooting up, you
know, alien assholes and stuff.Yeah, we touched on that. Okay,
all right, I'm sorry, I'mbusting your balls. I gotta do
that once a while. Anyway,I don't know. I find this fascinating
and I think that i'd love toget an interview with doctor Jim Sigala,

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hopefully soon. And I think thatthis is just the beginning and it's so
fascinating, and uh, I thinkthat we all kind of know it's real.
So it's all like, now,bring the data together, all right,
everybody, have a great holiday.You can always come back to Cosmic
Cantina if your family is too much, because we've got all the jokes and

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will take you down a dark orlight and lovely path if you want to
get away from your family. Andwe hope to do a live right before
New Year's Eve, so that meetsyou all jazzed up for the New year.
Talk about I'll get you. I'llget everyone a pretty solid heads up
this time before we jump on airand other people were like, oh,

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you should have worn me this time. I will do that. An awesome
tribute to the most crazy events thathappen this year. Twenty twenty four is
going to be awesome. Don't listento the news. The world might be
falling apart, but you still gotus. Yeah, and you've got gluten
free beer, so everything's fine.All right, everybody, everything's gonna be

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okay. Have a great holiday.We love you, we think you're amazing,
and we will see you on Aliveright before it turns to twenty twenty
four. Goodbye,