Poltergeist: Power From People or Places?

We’re putting aside the alien probes for this week… mostly… and entering into a creepy discussion of poltergeist activity. What is the catalyst for these haunting interactions? The people involved or the places they live? We have a few unsettling cases that offer both perspectives.

So grab a glass of something strong and assume the position, for an all new Cosmic Cantina.

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Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'reputting aside the alien probes mostly and we're
entering into a creepy discussion of Poultergeistactivity. What is the catalyst for these
haunting interactions, the people involved orthe places they live. We have a
few unsettling cases that offer both perspectives. So grab a glass is something strong

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and assume the position for an allnew Cosmic Cantina. I'm your host,
Melissa Tittle, and every week Igo to my favorite bar, Cosmic Cantina,
and kick back with my co hostJosh Golambuski and Matt O'Connor. We
talk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures, and anything from the

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unseen world that needs a little illumination. Welcome to Cosmic Cantina. I'm your
host, Melissa Tittle, and tonightI'm drinking a sparkling water does have pineapple
in it, though I had abender of a It's only uh, it's
only Thursday. It seems to bea thing for you. Everything wrong right

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now. It's like, you know, I just get too excited before the
podcast, and then I just gethave too many drinks and then I need
to like be sober. It's weird. It is a pattern. Nice.
Well, I'm back to one ofmy old favorites, A trusted beer for
me, ghost Fish the summer Ipa. She is lovely, life is good.
We're in the spring. There's lotsof cool UFO activity. I know

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tonight it's about paranormal, but I'mexcited to talk tonight. Let's do this
right on. Awesome. Well,I got myself a hazy pile ale just
for shits and giggles, and it'syou know, it's filling summarine here.
Even though it's pissing down rain here, it's uh, I like it,
man, I love the rain.Yeah, that is pretty chill for you,

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Matt. Usually it's like a bottleof whiskey or like, you know,
really a big bottle of red wine. But tonight you are taking it
light. You know, it's almostas if you're sober, you know from
Australian having a light hazy beer that'slike being sober. That's true. Yeah.
Well, you know, I wantedto wake up in the morning,
and you know, I always saidyou are to my friends that could pull

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off like a beer, a lightbeer in them at a morning meeting on
a Tuesday and no one would sayshit, he's Australian's fine, He's fine,
fine, It's totally cool. Yeah, exactly by guys. Sue.
Yeah, I know they're really aboutus, about that though, not about
the you're fine. Um so,guys, we are we need to take

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a break from the aliens. Iknow we've just been hitting at heart with
the aliens. We really want toknow what's out there, but we really
want to get back to the paranormal, especially Matt because he likes to go
dark and he's got some great storiesfor you, so does Josh. Um.
I have a little bit of somethingbecause I always have a little bit
of something, uh some a littlesome something. Um. So we want

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to talk about we want to revisitand we've you know, we've talked about
it a lot. You know,we have a lot of podcasts. I
don't know if you knew this.If you're listening, we have like on
her and twenty podcasts, you shouldcheck them all out. We're a big
deal. Um. We are goingto talk about Poulter Guys. We're visiting
poulter Geist stories and poulter Geist storiesare definitely, in my opinion, the

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scariest because there's definitely ghost stories andmischievous ghost or some kind of spirit that
wants to communicate with you, ormaybe an entity. But Poulter guys are
nasty and they don't want to doanything but fuck your ship up. So
we have some Yeah, we havesome kind of interesting scary stories. And
I know that just recently some ofyou have reached out to me with your

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personal stories, and I think atsome point we want to kind of talk
to talk about some of these storiesif we can. But tonight I wanted
to bring up a story that Ifound and I don't know if it's true
or not, but but it's it'san interesting one because it really begs the
question does the poultergeist activity happened becauseof the individual within the right location or

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is it always just the location?And this story takes one side of that.
But I know that we have acouple of stories tonight that we will
ask the same question, because um, a lot of people think that the
people are the conduit, like there'ssomething about that person that that connects with
that energy in that spot. It'snot just the location, all right.

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So here's this little little fun storyI'm gonna murder. This name. This
happened in a town called Gibralticable.That's all right, Josh Brazil, Yeah,
I was close. It was close. It was close. Um.

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And the woman's name is Maria.She's a subject to a poultergeist attack back
in the nineteen sixties. She'd bewalking down the street and rocks and stones
were thrown at her on many occasions. These were rocks with great weight,
up to nine kilograms on one occasion. They were also magnetic, which she
is odd and had other odd properties. So I don't know how they were

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able to I don't know what thatmeant. It just it just I feel
like what this person is trying tosay is that they just seemed to like
come out of nowhere towards her,meaning that's what they meant by magnetic.
When she would be in certain locationsin someone else's house, furniture would be
moved around in front of her orthrown at her. She was also She's

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also was viciously attacked, slapped,bitten, beaten by something invisible, and
she always had marks on her.It even looked like she had needles inserted
into her skin. They brought herto the doctor because they thought that she
was, you know, using something. They couldn't find anything in her system.
They did blood tests. You know, she was talking about all these

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things, and then people started tobelieve her because she had all these marks
on her body and people saw therocks and the furniture being thrown at her
um. At one point, shewas sleeping at a friend's house and the
Poulter guys tried to suffocate her inher sleep. And at another occasion,
at a family picket picnic, herclothing caught on fire. Whoa spontaneous combustion?

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Yeah, like um yeah, justrandomly, she just she just turned
and then into that Pink Floyd albumthat was shot in the back lot Paramount
Studio. She just went into flamesfoam. Yeah. Um so she uh.
She said that her family took herto a medium and found out that

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she was a subject to these attacksbecause of her actions in a previous life.
It was thought that Maria had beena witch and not a good one,
and she's been attacked by a spiritthat she had tormented in a previous
life, which is bad. I'mnot buying it doesn't mean Yeah, I
think it's like the conclusion like youdid something bad. So you must have
been a witch, especial if you'rea woman, like like, no one

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says, you know, you werea bad wizard. Like nobody says to
a guy, you're a bad wizard. But so a woman, you're like,
you're a bad person. You werea witch, you know, like
you now though, that's the reasonwhy your life sucks is because you were
a bad wizard in the past life. Yeah, that's it. Anyway,
it says she sadly committed suicide atthe age of sixteen. But you know

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that that's the question right in allthese stories where we're talking about um people's
houses or locations or is it thepeople or is it the place, because
you know, there's some instances wherepeople move out of that house and someone
moves in and everything's fine. Sowas it the family that that that specific
family, was it the attack ofwhatever was there, or you know,

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was it the actual location? SoI don't know. I think it's a
really interesting thing because I know alot of our listeners who've had paranormal activity
UM believe that there is something possiblyin their family, family or ancestry that
whatever this thing is is attached toor has some agenda by any means,
So I don't know. Sometimes it'snot only the location, and sometimes it

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could just be a portal for location. Yeah, I'm actually so. The
last couple of days I downloaded likethree shitty books about Poulter geys, but
a lot of books, and Ifound a lot of Actually you know,
I say that, but there's actuallysome good information and there's been a lot
of studies on this. And whatthe conclusion for I guess most people is

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that a lot of it is internal. It's like telekinesis somehow emanating from inside
people with a lot of drama goingon their life. It particularly affects young
women about to go through puberty orgoing through puberty. That's like a huge
percentage of it. And I thoughtit was interesting for a lot of reasons,
and I actually started off my researchdiving heavily into Poulter guys. This
is an amazing case in UM gotthe eighties about this woman named Tina Riesch

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who like had It was a nationalheadline kind of like the Linley stuff,
the Linley Street stuff in Connecticut.It was all over the news. There's
a famous picture of like a phonefloating like a chord like a foreign phone
with a chord like floating in frontof her. It's a crazy case,
but she ended up like like tenyears within from the beginning of her polter
geist case. Ten years later,she was committed to prison for life for
killing her own baby. It waslike the darkest fucking story of all time.

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It's really weird. But that doesn'tdiscredit her poulter geist stuff. It's
a fascinating case. Okay, what'smy point here? I was going deep
and when I started making connections,I was like, wait, is polter
geist activity is associated with UFOs aswell? So what's the connection here?
We're going no, we are nojust for a second, because I didn't
go down this route because I couldn'treprove it. But what I was trying

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to prove was that polter geis comefrom the person through trauma. And we
know people who got abducted by UFOshave temporary psychic gifts, including the guy
I'm making a documentary about. Hehad temporary teleconesis. So I think traumatic
events just bring it up in people. And the reason why it's connected to
the paranormal and the UFOs is whenthe people are under enormous stress, they
do this telecan sis thing. Itmight not even be related to an entity.

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That's not to say that some casesare actually due to some sort of
entity or unseen force they're dealing with. I'm not saying that they're all the
cases that way, but I wastrying to find a common thing. I
was also deep on like, wait, if all these young women are getting
having Poulter guys, they're they're gettingabducted, then that means it has something
to do with the hybridization program.So I had this whole fucking theory that
like Poulter guys hitch affecting the hybridizationprogram, we're all connected. But I

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got too deep and I got toowasted, and I couldn't figure out a
coherent thoughts soles, and you justnever got out. I never have I
pictured you hot or as the Charlieday doing. Then it was like I
was crew cigarettes and that was methe last two days. Yeah, I

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couldn't figure it out. I couldn'tprove anything, and you know, may
I always try to tie it backto uflos, but don't worry. My
story tonight is paranormal with a dashof UFO. I couldn't resist myself.
So, but I'm sorry I alliedyou at the beginning. I guess we
are little aliens. It is scary, though, So do you want me
to go on to do you more? Do you want to say, Melissa?
No, No, tell us aboutbecause your your situation is mostly um,

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it's the place right. It's notnecessarily one person, it's the place
right. Among my research, Icame across something that I've been meaning to
research for a long time. Thetitle of this segment is called Skinwalker.
Ranch may have dogman sightings, butranches, but paranormal ranches in Colorado have
bigfoot and that's the major difference betweena lot of these cases. So what

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I want to talk about tonight ismy Is she my boss or she I
report her? I don't even knowhow to say it. She's the state
director of MOUF on the Mutual UFOUwhat is it? Yeah? Your network?
Jesus Christ. I work for him, not even know the is So.
I'm also a field investigator twelve times. But Katie's dope. She's awesome.
She has a crazy backstory that ledher into being a move on field

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investigator, and it's a fascinating storythat connects to everything we talk about just
paranormal tonight. So this is herstory. She's the current Colorado Mouffon State
Director at our report to her.So, as a kid, she had
a ton of high strangeness happened toher on a ranch in Colorado. This
is before the name skim Walker waseven out there, skim Walker Ranch.
She was nine to twelve years oldand this all took place in the seventies,

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in the beginning when she was akid, and it took place in
a ranch in Elbert County, Colorado, and Kiowa. I think I'm saying
it right Kiowa. I've actually beenout there. We have friends who live
in Elizabeth, which is just westof it, and it is rolling farmland
with trees and it's beautiful out there, but it's very eerie. It's very
skim Walker ranchee in a lot ofways. I even had some thoughts about

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that out there. I was like, this is gonna be like a paranormal
territory. It just feels weird outthere, but it's beautiful and this is
where it took Apparently, Yeah,we'll get into that because you've actually I
think you researched this ranch. Youactually did a TV show about this ranch.
So that's why this is. Thisis great. So Katie grew up,
didn't grow up in the ranch.She her mom married a guy who
owned the ranch, which the ranchsat vacant for twelve years before they bought

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it. She and her sister andmom lived kind of somewhere closer to Denver
and would come out in the weekendsa lot. The guy had two kids
from a previous marriage, two boys, so that's the back family, backstory
set up. So she went therea lot on the weekends. So on
the ranch, everything usually started witha humming noise. There would be this
omnipresent humming noise everywhere and they wouldknow it would send shivers up their spines,

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so they knew something was about tohappen. Also, preceding events,
paranormal events, there would be anunderground rumble that they couldn't figure out in
booms. Now, we've heard thisin multiple scenarios, like what's going on
right, there's a connection to Missingfour and one, the UFO connection whatever
the title that documentary is with theaquifers underground, something coming from underground.

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There's some interesting theories of what's happening, but more on that later. So
what would they see there? Therewas UFOs, no't worrying about you oos.
She would see orange light orbs.They saw Bigfoot a lot on this
property and the preceding properties around them, which is highly unusual because well,
because big Foot, but also becausewhy would Bigfoot being a fuck in the
fucking planes like with a family.They saw him someone regularly. They'd be

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seen all the time. They're notgonna be out in the fucking prairie.
There's no trees exactly. I'll getto that later in the second. There's
actually some interest in documentation and storiesabout that. They'd also see the aliens.
They would see would be this weirdrobot like creature that kind of had
like an even face, small eyes, not like a gray with weird spindly

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stuff. And they'd also see Nordicsrandomly. They saw like super good looking
supermodels from way and then robot creaturesunmarked. She didn't see that, but
several adults did on her the propertyand properties around them. There was unmarked
helicopters all the time. There wascattle, sheep, elk, and our
deer mutilations and dog mutilations going on. This is the area that Linda Moulton

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Howe became famous for cattle mutilations forthe eastern Colorado. She studied somewhere on
this ranch. Yeah, I don'tknow if the first case she did was
on the ranch. I know herfamous one was Snippy the Horse, which
was on the cattle. I don'tknow if it was in this area,
but she got her a general startthere. All of reas in Colorado,
so they were so terrified being there, they kept guns at the door.
They at one point there was areward in the area to like prove it.

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There was like a ten thousand dollarsbounty to get something on camera.
It was a whole thing. Soshe grew up she had that she forgot
about it for like most of herlife they forget always in the background,
was always kind of interested in thisstuff, so she didn't really think about
it. This book came out called, which we've talked about somewhat called Hunt
for the Skinwalker, which is thebook before skin Markers at the Pentagon,
and and through that book she madethe connection, like, wait, all

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these ranches are being studied, andsomehow she made the connection that her ranch,
actually where she grew up was wasstudied and she was like, Wow,
I've always wondered about these paranormal experiencesthey had, which I'll get to
it in a second. Her storiesare unbelievable and backed up also by some
documents that she was able to findabout the ranch. So after she read
this book, she went she startedtalking to doctor Leo Sprinkle, who,

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if you're in ufology, is atitan of ufology. Was a psychology and
hypnoist who Sprinkle, Yeah, wholived in Colorado and did a lot of
stuff with experiencers and had a lotof documents. It was super awesome.
She connected with him, he gotinto his documents and made friends with them
and even wrote a book kind ofwith him at the same time. And
what she came across was his filesfrom them and other investigators investigating that property

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she grew up on that she wasunaware of it. Also the military,
she came across some sort of briefingdocument. There was either that Leo Sprinkle
gut or this other guy. Shementions, and I'm a little I'm a
little vague on how she got thedocument, but she definitely did, I
need to nail down that detail.So she had documents now let's go to
the stories and how the documents correlatewith what she's talking about. So she

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remembers a spring day there was heavywet snow, which is very typical for
Colorado, wet snow in the spring. She was it was clear blue sky,
she was playing frisbee with her sister, and they noticed like this perfectly
giant, seventy five foot circle inthe snow that was totally dry and totally
even cut. It was dry,and they and they realized, like,
nothing ever grew there, Like inthat moment they realized it was there,

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and later they're like, wait,nothing ever grows there, not even grass.
Not that crazy. But then inthe documentary weird. So this is
just the easiest story that the nexttwo her crazy doctor Sprinkle had a document
where they confirmed that not just onthat ranch, another one. There was
actually two circles on that ranch,two snowless nircles that never and nothing ever
grew in that They that investigators inthe military studied and these they were seventy

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five feet in the dameter and therewere drops of blood sometimes found outside the
circle. She didn't see that,but that was verified that that was on
what she members of the kid wasverified in these documents. So this is
when it starts to get a littlecrazier, the high strangeness. So one
night she's on the ranch of theweekend and it's late. It's the mother's

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birthday of the two boys, themother in law of the direct mother of
the boys, and they're at theranch house. They're playing board games.
It's late at night, it's evenlike past midnight. The kids are up
late, and all of a sudden, the humming noise starts and boom.
All the lights go off in thehouse instantly, and it's just booming sudden
voice that echoes throughout the house.Every adult, every kid heard it.

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And it said something almost exactly like, we have allowed you to remain Your
friends will be instructed to remain silentconcerning us. Don't take action, you
will regret, and it went ona little more. Oh my god,
what makes that super interesting? AndI need to talk to her in person
about it. But apparently that samephrase was she found it in the military

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briefing document, Like somehow the militarycame across that voice. And I don't
know what the connection is yet,but I'm going to talk to her firsthand
about it. And follow up withher about what that exactly means. She
was that what she heard was inthe document like thirty years later in her
life. When she came across it, she was like, holy shit,
So yeah, like so bizarre,Like what was the military doing there?
What was that? Like? Idon't know, like why it was in

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a briefing document. I have somany questions. So the next story is
crazy. So she was in apickup truck and it was if it was
I think it was evening. Andnear the ranch house is a big ranch,
you know, a picture like sprawlingland, but near the house itself
is this line of ponderosa trees andjust like usual, they start to hear
a humming noise and it sounds kindof like bees. And what she's about

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to describe has been described on skimWalker Ranch, multiple other ranches. It's
a very common thing on these ranches. And she hears her stepfather say get
back on the truck, because theywere just outside the truck goofing around.
She looks up by the trees andshe sees a box, a two feet
by five foot box with lights makingthis really really strange sound. She jumps

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in the truck and looks and looksagain and the box was gone. They
take off out of there. Soon the briefing document they proved the box
were seen by the military at thatlocation and at all over all these other
ranches across the Southwest. Now,this is the most awesome part of that,
this story, which is the buildup, is that there's lots of
big foot sightings on these ranches.You can find all these great stories about

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it charging people, walking around people, but jen really every time they saw
a bigfoot on these ranches in theSouthwest, they always saw a UFHOE nearby
or right before or right after.They were highly associated with the UFO.
And this one particular document there wasa story or I forget this comes from
a first person file or a briefingdocument. So it was hard to tell

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because I listened to like eight podcastsand try to get the information. I
have to confirm with it that thereis a story confirmed of a bigfoot approaching
one of these boxes in the boxlike making a sound and doing something to
make the bigfoot fall to its kneesand fall down and like basically hurt the
big foot to make it go away. So is the box related to the

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UFOs. Is there two different thingshappening at the same time. More on
that in a second. So there'sanother book written by Sean Bartok who wrote
this book called Flashbacks, and thenColin and then a bunch of words I
can't remember. It's about fifteen milesto the ranch, and he recounts a
lot of the same stuff. Hesays in here is that two of the

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main beings they saw were the Nordicsand these weird alien like things. Katie
never saw that, but he sawthat, and that the boxes might be
connected to the beings in some way. So what might be? And then
he further speculates it apparently some ofthese people witness this through the course of
events, concluded that these Nordic creatureswere fighting these Ai looking kind of even

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boxy creatures. His drawings of theship and everything, and that there's some
sort of conflict going on while themilitary was there all the time. It's
so fucking bizarre. Now there isa photograph. It's a little fishing.
Now, this is like, youknow, speculation, Bill, But there
is photographic evidence in this guy's bookof a circle just like on Katie's ranch,

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but with alien and human footprints likein the center of it. And
Leo Sprinkle wrote the forward to thisbook. It's an only paperback. I
haven't got it, but I ordered. I'm gonna listen to it. So
a couple more little like things thathappened on this ranch, and then I'm
gonna wrap it up with like,what's happening here? So there's also a
document that there was a soldier onthe property and the soldier explained that his
head got taken over by something andmade him walk towards the forest, but

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he finally snapped out of it.There was orbs and all over the campus.
Katie herself witnessed orbs away from theranch, not campus, the ranch,
So the hitchhiker effect was even happeningto her a long time ago,
and she was a kid, butthere's no word for it. Back then,
I thought that was fascinating. Sowhat's going on here? What's the
conclusion? Is it military? Isit et? Is it both? I
would argue it's both. I wouldsay that what we know is that with

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catamulations, especially Tom Kell and hercame forward on Weaponized Podcast about his experience
working for these government programs and beforethe government programs were knids, and how
they concluded definitively that catimulations were definitelysomething weird going on. But those also
human versions of it, either tocover it up or to kind of like
duplicate what the aliens were doing tofigure it out. So I would argue

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that it's probably both. I don'tknow, but the one connection I made
it earlier to finish this off.It is interesting the noises underground and the
aquifers underground, and if you watchthe movie Missing four in one the UFO
connection, they talk about how allthese mass sightings happened at the edges of
these giant aquifers, and in themiddle where there's no exit in and out,
there's no sightings, no at leastno cattle mutilations. So is that

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is that what's going on? Arethey coming from underground or I don't know,
Man, this is just so coolbecause she backs it all up with
documents and she's the real deal,and I just find it fascinating. Now.
I don't know what else you couldadd to this, Melissa, because
I know you were you went toher rants like I didn't know that when
you did this, because I didn'tknow who she was at the time,
but you literally went to Katie Page'sranch. You were there with her on
a show, And is there anymore you can tell us about your experience,

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because before you're definitely coy because youweren't sure what you could say and
not say before it aired. Hasit aired, by the way, Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, allthe episodes of aired. Yeah. So
we there was a cow that thatdidn't have all the markings of you know,
like that we've seen in some ofthese mutilation cases. But it definitely
had some weird markings and they leftit out there and we were investigating,

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and it was it was at nightbecause it's so much better to investigate at
night, and we um there.I didn't hear any humming, but there
was a weird pattern when we weremeasuring with some of the frequency devices.
We were kind of measuring you know, the energy around the you know,
the cow and around the place,and and just i'd say about five feet

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from the cow. Um, wehad a the needle on the uh,
the frequency meter was started to jumpand then it went back down, which
is fine because what happens is there'sfilming equipment, so you want to make
sure that that's not what's making itjump up and down. Wait. Wait,
so when you say frequency, doyou mean like like gigga hurt kind

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of thing, Like it's measuring giggahurts. Yeah. So it's measuring the
you know, energy waves that arecoming into the space. And of course,
like when you have any paranormal activityor anything strange that kind of changes
the electromagnetic field, then then itkind of picks that up and you get
a spike. Right. The reasonwhy I'm just pausing you for a second
is because on Skinwalker Ranch, theTV show, they've been nailing us over

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the head with one point six Giggahurts. When these sudden spikes happen,
it's always one point six. Idon't know if you remember what exactly you
guys were measuring or the number onepoint six, that would be an amazing
connection. That's the reason why I'masking, because I don't know what the
hell giga hurts even means. Idon't even know if they're mesuring. But
I just remember one point six andit was go on. I hate to
pull you up, I know peoplehate that. Yeah. So it wasn't

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like it was stuck at one place. Yeah, it so. The so
sometimes when you see when you seethis on TV shows, right, people
are going into spaces and it's like, you know, like, oh my
god. Right, So what itwas doing was it was spiking, but
it was spiking like every eleven seconds, just like true, and then it
would go back down and then Iwould like, I would count, you

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know, how many seconds is itbetween intervals? Then it would flip again.
So whatever it was was coming inthese weird waves of like every eleven
seconds, which was odd. Andthen of course everything got really fucking cold,
and it was like, Okay,that's all that kind of happened out

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there. But I will say thatthere was a guy who brought us out
there. We had interviewed Katie ather office and then we brought a There
was a guy who was going toshow us what the cow was because he
knew the ranch. So he broughtus out there and he was talking about
how this one area of the fieldwe came in on one of their dirt
roads that access the ranch, camein saw the cow. But I would

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say, I don't know, likea mile or so, there's a road
that cuts through their property, sothey own on the other side is still
their ranch. So there's this roadthat cuts like a paved road that cuts
through and there's a really interesting paranormalactivity that happens on this road where I
think he said, like about fiveyears ago, some car was just driving
and something just picked it up andjust flew the car. And and that's

(27:06):
not the first time, but thatwas the most recent one. So there's
just like this energy in this onepathway where things go missing, like you
know, cows get mutilated, weirdshit happens. It's just kind of the
spot. But again, same thing, you know, like he was saying,
the rolling hills, there's really nothingout there. It's beautiful, I
suppose in the daytime. I've seenpictures, but um, but yeah,

(27:29):
it definitely was eerie. And itwas also this feeling where I mean,
there's a caravan of people, right, you have a film crew and you
have a couple of vans, right, and like we came off of this
dusty road and we're not that far, but there was a moment where we
were all driving around in circles likethere. We couldn't get we couldn't find
our way back to the actual road. And even the guy who knew the

(27:52):
ranch was having problems and I'm like, are you kidding me? We're gonna
be stuck out here, like wecouldn't even find the road. Yeah,
yeah, I mean it was it'senergy. There was weird and I don't
know what the pulsing was with theall with every single every eleven seconds,
but it was odd because it becauseI counted that for like five or ten
minutes. It just kept doing thesame thing every eleven seconds. It was

(28:15):
consistent. WHOA. So just tobe clear, this was on UFO Witness.
Yeah, okay. Would you canwatch on Travel Channel or Discovery Plus
on demand. Seriously check it outif you love UFO content. It's great.
It gives you exactly what you want. It's good. Probably a little
more scary than I would do it, but I love it. I've watched
every single one, but I youknow, it's funny, I don't remember

(28:36):
watching that one. I feel likeI watched them all, but that one
I don't remember it, so Igotta go. Yeah, Colorado episode I
think it's episode five. I also, I also lost my voice and um,
full disclosure, I lost my voiceand I felt like crap and I
took her gut me. So Iwas having a really good time. Yeah,
Colorado. Yeah, yeah, don'tdo that in New York though,

(29:00):
you're gonna get arrested. I don'tknow exactly. I think it's legal.
I don't know. It's all sortsof rules around it, but whatever,
it's legal everywhere. Now, allright, cool? Nice, that's all.
I love that. So I needto go down there and check that
shit out. I was born tolike stay on a ranch for like a
month just to see what happens.Oh man, I don't know, yeah
that I like. I don't knowhow people do that, Like Katie's story.

(29:23):
I don't know how how you wouldlive every day not knowing if something's
gonna disrupt your piece like that.So Matt has a significantly long story about
a poultry guys activity that's going onto spand on for you know, one
hundred years or something. So we'regonna let him crack on and otherwise you're

(29:44):
gonna be listening to this podcast forlike two hours. Yeah, she's right.
I would suggest everyone get comfy becauseI've written a small essay here.
Um No, I don't know,it's not gonna be that long. We'll
see. I'll let you know ifit goes long, So let's go south
of the border people. All right, So, I mean, obviously there's

(30:08):
some classic poltergeist tales that we've mostlyall heard about, and it's really tough
to kind of find anything new.Obviously. That's why we've been asking people
to, you know, jump ona Wuiji board, you know, start
summoning some damons. We need morestories. I can't press that enough people.

(30:29):
But in the meantime, I wentto I found a little poltergeist story
that was pretty big in the lateseventies in Chile. Cartoon in Chile,
and this involves a fella by thename of Nicassio Torres. And this is

(30:51):
the seventy six, so just beforethe beginning of the eighties. You know
how numbers work. So this placeis kind of located seventy kilometers. I
don't know what that is a nonmetric speak you Americans. Yeah, you're
silly buggers. And it's inside thisplace called the Lasarna Valley. And so

(31:14):
apparently this place in the eighties wasa favorite place of contact groups, conducted
spiritual meetings and developed communications. Yeah, and so they used to do like
it sounds a lot like sort ofearly CE five kind of stuff. Actually,
yeah, pre Grier, I guess. Anyway, they called the people

(31:36):
of the area who would come hereand do these like communication techniques. Um
they called the entities that were theywere trying to contact the the Big Brothers,
the spirit big Brothers or something likethat. So so obviously the area
itself has some some weird stuff goingon. But anyway, let's get to

(31:56):
Nicasio, because this guy's going aharrowing story. Jes February nineteen seventy six,
the Cascio Torres came running into thehome of his neighbors. And there's
two brothers who lived in his house, Rachael Angel and Gabrielle Oregel, the
OReGO Bros. So you've got Budgeoninto the house and he's looking for help.

(32:21):
He's like gasping for breath, andhe is terrified, and he's saying,
he starts to explain to the brosthese crazy, impossible events that were
taking place inside his little home.He was saying that there were stones raining
on his roof, and when hewent outside, he couldn't see where they
were coming from. It was likethey were just coming out of the thin

(32:44):
air. These little stones were justpelting his roof. So the OReGO Brothers
kind of get him settled, andwe're just like trying to convince him,
Hey, look, it's just somekids out there throwing rocks at your house.
Relaxed, big guy, go home. So Nicasio calms down and I

(33:05):
love her. They just like turnaround and get out of here, your
little scamp um. He returns home, But the next day around about the
same time, early evening, hecomes running back over to the the ord.
I say that he was the OReGObrothers, and my, my,

(33:27):
my auto correct kept saying Oregano.So hopefully I don't say that OReGO bros.
So now he's again messed up.He's all sorts of scared, asking
for help. Stones are now,he said, falling inside his house,
seemingly phasing through the roof of hishouse, Jesus and just pelting all over

(33:49):
the floor. Okay um. So. Another person interviewed for the for this
story also recalled that when Nicassio camelooking for from his neighbors, all the
dogs in the area would start tohowl and go crazy, which is weird.
So I don't know if there wassomething about him or the area itself.
I don't know. It's a bitof a mixture of the two.

(34:12):
Um this is neighbors who lent theirassistance to the case reported seeing doors and
windows that wouldn't close despite their bestefforts, Like they would open and then
they couldn't close them, and itwould happen the other way as well.
They would close and they couldn't openthem. They would like trap them inside.
So not only were there rocks showeringdown on people, hitting them on

(34:37):
the shoulders and the head and stuff, little small rocks, not like big
nine pound ones or whatever you're sayingbefore, Melissa, but rocks coming down
hitting people, but also human boneswere flying down and like hitting people.
So this is not objects that arein his ports, right, It's all
like, is that the right wordof ports? Where it's an object nowhere?

(35:00):
He realizes that wasn't in the inthe local environment. Yeah, it
just it just seems to be appearingfrom nowhere and just like raining down on
people. So it's it's it's justthe Housers is the guy. I don't
know, it seems like it isthe house, but at the same time,
it's just it's really it's trying tofuck with this guy specifically. We'll

(35:21):
get to some of the really creepystuff that happens as this poor fella.
Um so the human bones and theyeven said they all this stuff was flying
through glass windows, but it waslike phasing through the glass wouldn't break.
It was like flying through the windowbut the glass wasn't breaking. It's interesting,
super weird. Um. It wasn'tchance at all in his mind,

(35:44):
you know, it was a psychic. There's a word for that. I
wish I knew it off the topof my head. And paranormal world.
It's like it's it's in your head. You don't really it's not really there,
you know. Oh okay, Well, the only thing about that is
tons of people. So like thiswas a huge deal back in there in
Chili, and people would come fromall over, like they would, trying
to get people to help from youknow, religious circles and parapsychologists, mediums

(36:07):
and um, you know, psychics, anyone they could get to come in,
and tons of people saw this shouldhappen. It wasn't just like this
one guy, okay. Um So, there were intense whistling noises within the
house that were so loud it woulddrive everyone running outside holding their ears,
and then there was this creepy thingthat the mother was a seamstress, so

(36:30):
she would sew clothes and stuff,and there was she had like a little
rag doll that she used as likea little pincushion. Um. So it
had all these little needles sticking outof it, pins and needles. Um.
So yeah, not as bad asyou think it's going to be.
But so apparently this little pincushion dollwould leap about the house and it would

(36:54):
usually start chasing um Nicasso's. Nicassohad a small daughter, like a toddler,
not like puberty age, but itwas still he had a daughter,
and it would constantly like jump ather like it was trying to attack her.
And it also like would just throwitself out the window all of a
sudden. It was like this crazy, little freaky dollar. Yeah. So

(37:19):
Gabriel, one of the Arego OReGObros. On the second day, was
like, all right, I'll comeback, I'll see what's going on.
So he says, he goes backwith Nicasio. They go inside and he
said, all of a sudden,yes that this he began to see stones
and human bones start raining from theceiling. And then he said the moment

(37:44):
I saw stones and human bones fallingfrom the ceiling. I never again visited
that house. It's like, fuckthat nonsense. Yeah, sorry, problem
not coming back, yeah, theysaid. Many Paris collegists and mentalists tried
to find solutions to the like Isaid before, to the phenomena taking place

(38:06):
in the house, but none ofthem were truly effective. They tried putting
up religious psychonography. There was thesecrosses made of pulky. I guess,
I don't know what that is,some kind of stone or wood, I
don't know. But the minute theyput them up everywhere, they were seemingly
destroyed by invisible hands only minutes afterhaving been placed around the house. Nothing

(38:30):
was working, holy water, nothing. There was an altar of some deity,
lady of a doleco or something withinthe house, but on three separate
occasions when they tried putting these statuesup around the house, they would be
flung to the floor and just smash. Okay, So you know, religious

(38:52):
people soon learned that whatever this was, it was too powerful and not to
be fucked with. They couldn't makeit dent And whatever was going on?
Did he did this guy have anything? Super traumatic? Happened to him before
these events took place. I don'tknow, there's a there's a reason why.
So the only I was going tosay this at the end of the

(39:12):
end of the tale. But hewould never ever give interviews about it.
Nicasio, he didn't want anything.He was like, I think he sort
of believed that by um, bysort of reliving this stuff, it would
it would sort of keep feeding it, you know, I think, um,
he sort of just didn't want totalk about it. Didn't like,

(39:34):
wasn't trying to look for any sortof notoriety or money or anything. He
didn't. He just would not giveany interviews about it. So all of
this is coming from people around him, his family and friends and people who
were there witnessing what was going on. So one of these witnesses was his
wife's friend. His wife was namedRosa Um and she said this was super

(39:57):
creepy. So he said, oneevening, but woman was sitting in the
house in Nicassio's house, Nicassio isout, but all of a sudden,
the appearance of a pale, blackhaired man of average height who asked for
Nicasio when he came knocking at thedoor, like there's men in black.
Shit started happening. What When toldthat Nicassio was at home, the strange

(40:21):
figure said that he would wait forNicassio at five minutes before midnight over there,
pointing at the summit of this littlehill it was called sarah Kutan Kutun,
one hundred meters distance from the house. The strange character, they said,
had red eyes. And there's morecrazy stuff about this guy too.

(40:43):
So Gabriel, on a second,this feels like then it's it's the guy.
It's not necessarily he can do it. Yeah, it seems like,
well, I don't know what sortof started this, but whatever it is
was there is now concentrating on himand it's coming after him. So Gabrielarego.

(41:04):
His neighbor also remembers seeing the strangefigure, and he said, in
this story, I was never sofrightened in my life as when I had
to face that man. He camearound three times looking for Nicassio, always
saying the same thing. Tell himI'm waiting for him. He knows where
to find me, and the numberfive minutes before midnight. This whatever,

(41:28):
this presence, this entity, whateverthis was, it kept concentrating on that
number. It wanted to meet himat this time five minutes before midnight,
every time five m so. Hesays. The conclusion reached by several parapsychologists
looking into the case was that thisman in black type figure represented sort of

(41:50):
a collection, like it was likea coming together of all this paranormal activity,
and it's sort of manifested in thisguy. All this negative four he
was saying. So Rego had alsohad the chance to run into their character
and broad daylight Elsewhere in the community, he says, I noticed this man's
presence and I went out to challengehim. However, when I came within

(42:12):
four meters of this guy, Iwas able to see that he was a
pale man wearing a brown blazer,impeccably clean shoes, and black hair,
and he was passing in front ofthe gate to my property. I saw
him, and I was paralyzed,couldn't move. To my surprise, this
man was floating some fifty centimeters offthe ground and made a sudden ninety degree

(42:35):
turn to look at me fixedly anddeeply. For the first time ever,
I knew what fear really was,and I broke out into a sweat.
This man made another ninety degree turnand continued on his way before vanishing down
the road. Whoa so weird stuffAnd a number of people saw this guy
and it was the same thing,like this intense kind of like fear seeing

(42:57):
this guy. What was with theIs there anything that they said about the
place that he wanted to meet him, like the mountain or the hill?
I tried to look into it moreof it. A lot of the stuff
that I sort of had to comesort of sorry, I had to come,
had to like research was it wasall in Spanish and I had to

(43:17):
like translate a bunch of this stuffas well, So it was kind of
hard to find a lot of stuffon this that was you know, easily
sort of digestible even like well we'llget we'll get to that. But yeah,
no, I don't really know whatthe deal was with this place in
particular. Maybe it just wanted toget him away from everyone else for whatever
reason, so he was by himself, because he always seemed to be with

(43:39):
people and looking for help and stuff, so maybe it just wanted to get
him alone. Okay, So anyway, it says one afternoon, Nicassio and
Gabriel and a few others decided togo for a walk to get out of
the house. Nicassio took care toleave all the doors and windows of the
house closed, and they said asthey left the house, the doors and

(44:00):
windows in the entire house suddenly opened, all abruptly opened at the same time.
Okay, they went back in andstarted, oh sorry, Gabriel and
Nicassi didn't want to go back inthe house because he was freaked out.
I don't know where his wife andkid are at this point. Maybe they're
still in there, I don't know. And yeah, he's like, fuck

(44:21):
that, I'm not going in.I'll get another family. So he was
so Gabriel and another friend went insideto close all the windows and doors,
and as they were doing it,they could they couldn't budge these doors,
and they was like, man,there's something blocking this door. And so
they looked around the door and couldn'tsee what was happening. But underneath the

(44:42):
door, they said, there wasthese small rocks again that was kind of
like wedged underneath, sort of blockingthe door. So they were able to
get rid of the stones and thenfinally were able to close the door,
all the windows and doors again,and then as they closed everything, the
front door shuts um and they couldn'topen it. They couldn't get out,

(45:04):
and they said they could see throughthrough some of the windows that Nicassio was
walking through the front yard as ifin a trance. Um. He says
he was following something that perhaps onlyhe could see. And then I guess
someone talked to him later and hesaid he was following some guy who was
telling him. I guess he wasleading him over to this place again.

(45:27):
I don't know, but he wasin this trance. It's so weird.
It's like, I just want toknow what this like. I want to
know if this is like a pastlife thing with these characters. Interesting.
Um. So, they Gabriel andhis other fella noticed they like Nicassio were
walking off by himself, and theywere like, they went up to go

(45:47):
catch him, but they couldn't getout the door. They're wrestling with this
door, trying to get it open. There was nothing behind it and nothing
like wedging. At this time theychecked it was just stuck. Um.
So, after a few minutes theyfinally got the door open were able to
go after Nicassio and they pulled himaside, and he was like, he
was like in a daze, buthe said he apparently he was following someone

(46:10):
and he couldn't describe why. Nowthere's a bunch more things that happened during
the story. There's just like mentionsof different people. There's a few different
interviews from different people who mentioned whatthey saw, and like I said,
a ship ton of people saw allthis stuff happening during the time and made
newspapers and all sorts of stuff.There was the University of Chile had some

(46:36):
professors come around and they wanted tosort of measure what was happening. And
all these people turned up to tryand see what was going on. It
was just crazy. And you getthe impression that the more people came around,
the more they were feeding this thing, and the more powerful it was
getting. That's interesting. So abunch more stuff happened, So I'll just
kind of run through the bunch morethings that would happen. Nicassio would often

(46:59):
wake up with his face covenant scratches, not knowing where it came from.
One time, a large round candleapparently also fell from the ceiling. When
Nicassi, who picked it up,he saw some design or a scribble that
was carved into the wax, andNicassi, who tried to copy the image
onto some paper and realized that itwas some kind of map that was trying

(47:21):
to take him somewhere. Whoa,and I guess we'll get to this later.
Bit it was it was again tryingto lead him somewhere, somewhere away.
Like I said before, why Iwant to know why, Like I
mean, this thing is so powerfulthat if it's just crashing deities on the
ground, like it could just dowhatever it had to do there, Like
what is in this spot? Likethis is so crazy. Well there was

(47:45):
mention of oh, we'll get tothis in a second, so they started
doing. Um, there was likeI said, there was other stuff like
you know the seventies. During thistime in Chile there was no electricity.
Um, but the local people aroundthe town said they would see his house
just glowing with this illuminated light thatthey didn't know where it was coming from.

(48:06):
So then they had a crack ata few seances to see if they
could contact whatever was causing these disservances. Which is a really fun, cool,
awesome idea that exactly what I woulddo. Yeah, yeah, So
during one of these seances, thegroup left a sheet of paper on the

(48:28):
table with a pencil to see ifthis thing would like start writing anything,
because obviously they were experiencing poltergeist activity. There was telekinesis things going on.
But they waited like fifteen twenty minutesand nothing really happened. They sort of
the guy who had all the paperspacked it all up again. Everyone went
home after they sort of had abit of a lousy seance. But this

(48:49):
guy, the guy who took thepaper, was sort of going through his
stuff again the next morning, andhe found this piece of paper that they
had. He said when he lookedat it. On the paper was written,
take care of your wife very soon. I'll take her to the afterlife.
Okay, words, you're ruffling myfeathers. I'm going to defend my

(49:16):
wife, right, Yeah, that'sthat's the wrong move. And I don't
have any any sort of story aboutwhat happened to the wife, whether that
was just a veiled threat or ifit was just if it ever followed through
with that, But I don't know. It was just creepy. Yeah,
what I'm saying, it's like thisguy like he's focused on this one guy,
right yeah. Um. This duringanother one of the sciences, they

(49:39):
heard whispers and strange voices. Um. A spirit had called Nicassio to this
local hill again and again it said, be there at eleven fifty five.
Um. However, they said,Nicassio never had the courage to actually go,
not even with like five of friends. Did you know when to roll

(50:00):
up fifty five? So? Actually, yeah, so he did ask this
spirit, this entity, um sowell. So the medium who was there,
says, what do you want?It says, I want a Cassio.
The medium then asks who wanted it? Who is this? Who is

(50:21):
this voice? It didn't really answer, but it said wait for me um
at eleven fifty five of the nightat this kutu in the hill at the
at the time that when Nicassio wasthere, he said, okay, I'll
go, but I'm only going ifI am accompanied by this other guy.
The voice replied, you must goalone. Then Nicassio, yeah, sure,

(50:44):
of course, yeah, sure,that's a great idea. Nicassio replied,
okay, I'll be alone, butcan he at least be like a
hundred meters behind me? And thevoice said no, you must go alone.
The medium then asked again who areyou and the voice answered me and
it said, I am the grandfatherof Nicassio, and then I asked,

(51:06):
what do you really want? Thevoice answered me, I want Nicassio to
go to Cartoon Hill at eleven fiftyfive. Intrigued because I asked what four
and the voice said, I'll giveyou a burial, which is fucking creepy,
as I'm your grandfather, kill yourwife and I'm gonna kill you too.

(51:28):
Yeah, it seems pretty Trickstrey atthis point, you know these they
do sances. They can just saywhoever the fuck they want. Uh,
So he's gonna give him a burial, which is like that, Hey,
thanks, I'll definitely be there bymyself. So the medium then says,
do you see a light at theend of the tunnel. The answer was

(51:51):
yes, and then he commanded thisspirit to continue to that light since the
end of the tunnel. Um hesaid his mother was waiting for him,
and the voice replied, then I'llgo, but I will return. So
the mediums and psychics who visited thehouse noticed that they kept getting impressions of

(52:14):
dead bodies and bones buried beneath thehouse. So I don't know if whether
that is again pointing to maybe thelocation or what. I don't know how
Okay, like some sort of burialground the bones makes sense. Okay,
that's interesting. Yeah, okay,I'm leaning towards demonic because things appearing at
a thin air and dropping is differentthan an object moving that you all see

(52:36):
that suddenly moves. That feels morehuman. This feels different yeaheah. So
maybe he's on top of a portal, but why was he focused on one
man? So here we have asituation where you have a you have a
location, possibly with something below itthat's causing some kind of frequency, and

(52:58):
at the same time you have ayou have a man that's the focus of
all of it. Like, he'snot I mean, he did write that
letter saying I'm going to hurt yourwife or whatever, but that's only to
get to the guy, right,It's not to get to anybody else.
Well, it's not. It wantsto get him to go to this one
spot for some reason. Yeah,so that's that's why it's like, I

(53:21):
don't know, that's why I thinkthis poltergrass activity is both it's the location
and um it's also it's also thewell, it's like the hitchhiker effect.
It could be a location or itcan follow someone. It can be both
right right right. It could justbe whatever their frequency or energy is that
somehow is a conduit. I don'tknow. I think it just attaches him.

(53:45):
But those are the things we don'tknow. Like a lot of times
when I go into these places thatare haunted, paranormal activity, alien activity,
weird crypto stuff happening. Um,there's always a person that is kind
of more inflicted by it than others. Right, Like you're in a campsite
and the one guy gets led intothe woods and has a weird experience,

(54:08):
but everybody felt something weird, butnothing happened to them. So sure it's
kind of setup. Some people arejust more susceptible to it. I don't
know what it is. Yeah,Um, so again, strangely, this
paranormal activity always intensified at the night, around the time eleven fifty five,

(54:30):
you know, the stones and thebones would rain throughout the house, bones
of corps, as they said,we're falling on our shoulders. And then
scratches began to peer on the wall. They said. At one point,
Gabriel jumped out the window of thehouse to the outside when these scratches,
they note witnessed these scratches appearing inthe wood around the house. They stood

(54:57):
this you know, this trail startbeing carved into the would right in front
of him spontaneously. So, likeI said, what happened to Nicassio,
I don't really know. It justsounds like he was spotted around town.
Um. And then it sounded likehe moved out of there. I couldn't
find much of an end to hisstory. I guess he and his family

(55:19):
they finally moved away. Um.And like I said, he refused to
ever give any interviewers about it.He didn't want to give this thing anymore.
He didn't want the thing to findhim. Yeah, yeah, I
guess so, like he just triedto escape it. But one of the
one of the interviews that this reporterwho I found a story about it.

(55:40):
Um, he managed to track downone of the people who witness some of
these paranormal events. And he wouldalways ask these people, have you seen
Nicassio since? And he said this, which is interesting. He said,
a few years ago, I foundhim in the Elkie Valley. I don't
know where they is, some somewherestill in the same area, but in

(56:02):
different place. And he asked meto take a walk by cartoon. When
we passed by his home, alarge black dog dog crossed our path and
made me stop abruptly, like therewas something strange about it. He said,
I didn't see where it came from. It's like it just appeared there.

(56:24):
And then since that day he's neverseen Nicasios since. I don't know
what happened to the poor guy.But what a crazy, crazy place or
I don't know, like you said, is it the place is he attached
to him? Was there is somethingthere that he just kind of brought out
because of some I don't know,maybe he was the right blood type or

(56:47):
whatever. But yeah, yeah,that feels DEMONI paranormal straight up, not
related to UFOs, which is astronger story for this particular podcast. I
apologize to you photo references, butI but I get a ton of paranormal
research, and I've never heard thatstory, and I love it because there

(57:07):
are cases like that that are outsideof like, well, it's just a
human mind using telekinesis understress, whichI do believe too. That's a fascinating
story. Reminds me of one ofthe Warren's famous story I think in Maine
with the demonic entathy and bones andfucking weird shit hitting the room. Very
it's a very similar like vibe toit, So that must be a common
paranormal demonic kind of situation. Sothat's very rare though very creepy. Yeah,

(57:31):
I mean, and again, wedon't get any of this stuff anymore,
so you know people, yeah,I mean being taken some chances,
will you m Yeah, I mean, I think that some of our listeners
have had some strange experiences, andyou know, I'd love to dive into
some more modern day stories I think. Um, I mean, with all
of the paranormal movies that came outin the seventies, I think people were

(57:53):
really interested in hearing these stories,so people were kind of sharing them.
But but I think that we needsome new ones because what has progressed past
the seventies and the eighties. It'sit's like research has kind of kind of
references these big stories and then there'rethese small things that are happening. But
I'd love to do some more modernday story. So anybody listening out there,

(58:15):
if you're being tortured by some weirdentity, you know, write us,
let us now. We want yourstory purely for entertainment. Keep we
hear it, yet you're misery happyto share. That'd be great, all
right. Everybody'd be safe out there, keep your doors locked. If your
house is haunted, please move orwrite us so we have some more content

(58:38):
to talk about. Well, buyit from you. Have a good night, goodbye.