September 5, 2024 • 59 mins
The hottest thing in the UFO/ UAP world right now are orbs and spheres. Basically anything shaped like a flying ball is totally the new thing and because I want to be cool I needed to find the most compelling story. In this episode we talked to the OG of the sphere research Patrick Jackson who made a amazing discovery back in 2013 and was shunned by the community. Now his research is being looked at by Gary Nolan and other university professors. Join us for this weeks intervention on the newest discovery on the spheres.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time to get serious about the weirdness out there.
And that's why, after my two beloved hosts left Cosmic Cantina,
I decided to keep my journalist integrity going with something
I call Cosmic Intervention. I will cover topics from spiritual awakenings,
azoteric knowledge, ancient civilizations, paranormal and other.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Worldly beings, but in a new twist, because, let's face it,
if we've already heard most of these narratives before, we
need an intervention when it comes to what might be
going on beyond the veil.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
July thirteenth, twenty twenty four, gunshots and screaming are heard
at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, a historic day in
American politics, no matter what side of Trump fits into
your belief system. Videos from bodycams, professional cameras, and personal
phones have been analyzed, but only a handful of people
are talking about a video that was captured of strange
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spears that were shown in the sky during this event. Now,
before we fall into a government conspiracy rabbit hole here,
I want to point out that there is an uptick
of these spears everywhere. They are shown surrounding planes, over
military installations, haunted areas or paranormal hotspots, even in play daylight,
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hovering above us. Now, our technology might have gotten better,
but there also could be the idea that they have
been here forever. And if they've always been here, why
are they here? Why do they seem to be monitoring us,
protecting us or harming us? My guest today ten years
ago was kicked out of the paranormal community for suggesting
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that these spheres were linked to an AI based network
connecting each other and information. He then expanded his research
beyond the paranormal and realized that the spears were behaving
the exact same way around all of our human activities. Now,
government officials and Gary Nolan himself has said that this
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bloke from the UK has stumbled onto something truly profound.
Tonight's show, we are going to dive into a topic
we covered over five years ago on Cosmic Cantina. Get
your drinks out, pull up a chair next to this
compelling conversation on what you don't know about the spears.
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Welcome everybody to cosmic intervention. Yes, Josh and Matt are
not with me. They have left me at the bar alone,
but that's all good because now I get to talk
to really amazing people that are offering some awesome different
perspectives on paranormal aliens, ancient civilizations, and anything weird. That
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is what we're going to talk about here. So you
have me and my guest today, Patrick Jackson. As you've
heard of the Cold Open, he has been looking into
these spears for a very long time and he was
on the forefront of it before anybody else was. With
with no other talk from from me, Melissa, I want
to introduce Patrick Jackson to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Blow Blow That.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Patrick. This is like deja vu. Uh. You know, people
that are tuning into this episode, maybe you have not
listened to all the Cosmic CANTEENA episodes, but you were
one of our first interviews, like over five years ago,
when nobody knew who you were and you had this
amazing you had this amazing data on these spears.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You remember that, Yeah, and no one knew what I
was talking about, So yeah, it kind of kind of
it was interesting. It was all yeah, I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, it was great you you reached out to me, uh,
and I just immediately I'm pretty good. You know, there's
a lot of people that reach out to me with
with images and photos and all sorts of things, and uh,
they're a very interesting But when you came to me
with what you had discovered and what you were working on,
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I thought I'd never heard of this before. And this
really starts to get into the bigger picture. So with
that wasting too much time, let's get to know a
little bit about you, Like you know, you're you're the
man in the shadows. If you will tell us how
you got into this, because if I remember correctly, you
were a complete skeptic. You weren't in the paranormal world.
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You weren't in the UFO UAP world. You were just
minding your own business as a reverse engineer.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah. So most basically my background is I'm in it
and for a long time aster and infrastructure now to
databases and development and a big part of that reverse engineering.
And when I when I first had my first experience,
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and so it kind of woke me up a bit
and I just wanted to try and figure out if
I can try and figure something out I didn't really
have I wasn't it wasn't my intention to write a
book or do anything. It was just really if I
could figure it out it out. So what happened originally
was I was I used to go down to the
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local village pub and I was like on the big
field and I was just sitting there waiting for the
pubs open, and it was like seven o'clock at night
during the midsummer, and I just looked across the field
and there was this guy standing there, dless as a monk.
And I couldn't really believe it. I thought it was
a guy, you know, just having a joke or something.
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So I just shouted at him for a while. But
it actually just looked like a black statue or a
gray statue. But you could see all the detail. You
could see him like a coat and like a big hood,
and it looked like a monk standing there, and it
was he was rather as for real. So at the
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time I had a laser pointer in my pocket and
I just pulled the laser out and I just I
remember the beam going on the ground and then up
the chest, on up his leg, on the chest into
it where his face was, and he had like a
big hood over his head and where the layers actually
reflected off the area. But it was just like a
big black mass and well, that kind of kind of
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got me interesting because I didn't know what it was,
and I just actually just got up, got upside walking
towards it, and I got within maybe ten ten feet
fifteen feet of it, and it just dissipated, dissipated into
the background. And I never I never seen anything like
that before, and he just kind of like made, you know,
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woke my brain up it and said, oh, you know
what's going on there? And I actually went to the
bar later on and I said, I think I just
saw like a like a monk or something across the
field and he said, oh, yeah, that's the mad Monkey
haunts here. I was like, what, So, I'd never never
heard that story before, and I've never seen anything like
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that before, and to see it so blatantly in front
of my face for quite a long period of time
as well, I think when it went on for about
a good three or four minutes. And yeah, and then
I it kind of just kept bugging me. And as
I was growing sort of growing up and doing more
in it and stuff like that, I started watching all
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the mainstream paranormal TV shows, all the all the mainstream stuff,
and none of it really gelled with me. I couldn't
really understand what they were saying. It didn't really the
logic didn't add up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And why and why does Why doesn't the logic add
up in your mind? Is it because it just felt
like they weren't actually creating data or patterns around their findings.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, yeah, that and also, I mean, why would a
guy come back and stand in the middle of a
field for four minutes and then disappear and you know,
just stand there like a statue. It makes no sense.
It's not normal human behavior. Humans are generally quite sociable creatures,
so it's the behavior pattern didn't seem to match, and
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it just kind of so I kind of I started
watching all the mainstream stuff and it was all the same.
It was all the same patterns, all the same kind
of experiences. By the end of the night, they found
nothing and it just they just then closed the show
and it went on to another location. But it didn't
say make any sense to me, and I just saw
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I got to a stage, I think, as in twenty
twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, I thought, I'm just going to
give it a try and see if I can spot
anything or notice any patterns or just give it a try,
because I mean at work at the time, I was
like doing big projects and I was doing right, and
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what I do is nothing special. It's plenty common in
the IT industry.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know. But I have to say, you know, this
is pretty common for people who have experiences right their
minding their own business. They're going on with their human
existence and then something supernatural, paranormal, alien, whatever you want
to call it happens and they can't get out of
their mind. Did you think now, looking back in retrospect,
I mean, twenty thirteen was over ten years ago. Did
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you think that this happened to you for a reason
that you were supposed to look into it, the fact
that it kept you up at night you wanted to
figure out the truth of what you saw. Did you
think I don't know if it happened for a reason.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I don't know. It feels like I was supposed to
see anything. You know, it was just maybe it's just
lucky because other people are seeing it as well. Maybe
it lucky. And it's the only time I've ever seen it,
and the last time I saw it as well. I
haven't seen anything since like that. But it's definitely put
me on a different path because or when when I
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started working this stuff out, it was it's it's hard
to explain, but so in it, what what I do
is is I generally create like a mental image of
what is going on in the program or in the system,
and then I can kind of model it, and then
I can debug it in a way so I can
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throw different kind of stress tests at it or different
ideas at it, and then kind of work out virtually
in my mind what's going to happen or how it reacts.
And so I started doing the same thing with the
paranormal or predominantly portageists, and it was it was pretty
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brutal because I used to wake up in the morning
and it was like a machine would switched on in
my head and I would be thinking about it NonStop
from ace in the morning to one in the morning
the same day. Every day it would be the major
thought in my head, and I could feel different ideas
thrown out like a machine. It was throwing different ideas
at it and modeling it and then going, now it
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doesn't work, and then discarding it and come up with
another one. And so what happened was I came up
with a few ideas what porta guys sexifty was originally,
but once I actually went to a place called thirty Strive,
which is the most aggressive portageist in the UK, those
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ideas disappeared very quickly because I thought it was it
maybe some sort of quantum mirroring effects something like that,
where maybe there's some kind of data leakage from one
timeline to another or something, you know, a bit wooey
like that. But it came very clear that it was
actually intro active and he was watching what you were doing.
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So it clearly wasn't like an error in the universe
or in nature. It's actually something that is watching you
and then reacts to it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And so explain explain that in Layman's terms. I mean,
because people that do paranormal investigations will say the same thing.
You know, something's watching you and they're reacting to you,
throwing things at you, ringing bells, you know, hitting buttons,
you know whatever, But you're specifically talking about something else.
You're talking about a different kind of response mechanism. Explain
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that to us in the paranormal field before we jump
into aliens.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So the thing is is that when I was doing
my test at thirty within fifteen minutes of being in
the building. I just said a simple question, I said,
is anyone here? And straight away the coal shed door
downstairs banged eight times and we all went down there
and there's no one there, and it's a sealed a
sealed door, can't get into it, and so there's things
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like that. So I kind of knew that we were
being watched, but I didn't know what was watching us
or why, and I don't I didn't understand the behaviors
of it at the time, and it really confused me
for a long time because I I it just didn't
make any sense. And it's understandable why the mainstream kind
of believe that this is the dead people and spirits
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and stuff, because they always they always kind of, you know,
related to something that they feel comfortable with. But in
fact that what I found very quickly was that the
patterns that I was seeing were not human patterns but
machine like patterns. And then what I realized was that
you're actually dealing with a form of advanced AI. And
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in fact, now I've I've kind of got so good
at it that I can trigger it on response, on
the on demand, very.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Much so we're looking at three right now. This is
one of us haunted in the UK.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And then you built a device correct to trigger it
like after this experience. Correct, So that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It took a little while to figure out what was
actually causing it, but once I figured it out, one
thing needed onto another, and I came up with a
code that you can run that will trigger a response.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And then what was this? What was this code? Like?
For instance, I am I'm not a counder, but is it?
Is it? Are we dealing with a binary code? Are
we dealing with I'll explain that. I mean that seems
that doesn't seem very advanced to me. I mean, am
I wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, the way I look at it is like if
it's a I, you can understand what you're trying to
tell it. So what I'd done was was I kind
of figured out a language. It understood computer language, but
it understood. And then what I did was I encoded
the message into it, and then I just looped it
and then convert the binary into sound and then put
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that into an app. And then I got a team
actually like a third party team just to go while
you were in there at the time to try it,
and straight away it started, it started interacting. But in seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Hm, wow, that's pretty interesting. So did uh did you?
How did you come up with the code? See, this
is where I think is really interesting with your backstory.
You're a complete skeptic. You have this experience, you then
can't that experience, just cannot let your brain go, and
you keep trying to figure out how to communicate with
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this activity that's happening in the house, and then you
create a device with a code that then kind of irritates.
Is that the right word? Yeah, whatever the energy is.
And what you've noticed is that anytime that you I'm
just paraphrasing what you're saying, anytime that you play this code,
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that it irritates these spheres, and then you're able to
capture the spears. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Where you spot them or you can detect the electronic emissions.
So the one of the main electronic emissions, what I
detect a lot is static. Like a lot of static,
it appears that the byproduct of a field based proportion
system is static. So if what I designed these devices
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to sample the the the static in the in the
in the area at the time and then that anything
that goes above that threshold will then trigger like a
light to go off or something. And yeah, here here
are the speares. I mean this is these are why
term as a type three spheres, the baseball size food
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fighters effect. They're the same things what we sawd you
in World War two, except the ones in World War
two and much larger. These are smaller variants that operate
in all haunted houses. It's not just that you strive,
but it's all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So for people just tuning in that are hearing this
for the first time, or maybe they know a little
bit about it. So you started with paranormal and this
activity is happening in a house. Now you're triggering it,
you're getting some response, So now you know you're interactive
with something that you feel is maybe like an AI
technology or some kind of technology that maybe is not human.
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But why is it in the house. Before we go
into food fighters and aliens and all sorts of stuff
that's outside this house, why is it in this house?
Like why pick this house?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Now, that's a good question. So what it is is
that the Type three is they operate like satellites in reverse.
So like, well we use space to relay signals two
and then they really relay signals across the planet. What's
happening is is the seers, the type two and the
Type one seers are relaying signals down to the type
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threes in the building, which are then in turn relaying
along a path along other type threes in the row.
If you if you look at the UK, for example,
you'll notice that the hoarded, the most hoarted houses in
the UK are all in lines and clusters which are
of similar distance apart, which means that it's very similar
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to our own microwave based communication networks. And it's is yeah,
and it seems to follow environmental topology as well, so
it works around build it works around topology elevations.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So you've got three you're saying, there's three different kinds
of spheres and they all work together. And the ones
that you found in the house are the ground the
ones that are kind of monitoring certain areas that are
desolate per sae because that house is no one lives there, right.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
That's right. But it's like any network, it has to
go where it goes where it needs to go, so
it doesn't always choose where it can go it goes
where it needs to go. So it's a lot like
our own cellular network. Some people have, you know, cellular
towers in the outside their house. It's the same kind
of thing. It goes where it needs to go. But
what what is happening is that they're using buildings is
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to master electronic commissions. So what's happening is that most
of the time they're dormant and they're just they're in
the house, but no one really knows how they're and
then they'll get a signal they'll come online. You at
that point they'll start producing hi energy emissions. And then
when they start producing they produce two types of emission.
One is microwave and one is gamma ray. And then
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what happens is that when these gamma rays or microwaves
get to such a point or of of of energy levels,
they will cause disturbance. Is to move people away from
the from the emissions. So it's actually in ligned with
the inverse square or radiation, which means that the most
the further you wire away from the radioactive source, the
safer it is. So in the case of said that
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you strive it bangs a coal shed door like I said,
and if you actually look at them layer of the house,
you'll notice that it's actually the most furthest and a
shielded part of the building which is from the Swea
the series, which is in the attic.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So it's it's trying to push you to safety. So
if I so basically they find a location, they decided
to put out their admissions because if there's no one there,
there's no humans there, no one lives there, it's an
empty spot. Great, now we can broadcast to We're going
to get to the other types of spheres. And so
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we're doing our job and then all of a sudden,
a human comes in to check out this polter guy's
house and it's like shuts it down, and then it
gives off some kind of vibration that I mean, this
is where this is where you have to explain it
or where it either gives shadowy figure or like we
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it creates some kind of fear in humans to then
back away.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Explain that a little bit, like how does it how
does it create shadowy like the monk or the these
these creatures like these shadowy beans or you know, how
like how does that, how does it do that? How
does it create that or is it creating an image
in our mind?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So when it actually causes things to move, what it's
really doing is redirecting its propulsion system onto objects, which
commits force. So if it's a door, it will open
the door or bang the door, or knock something over
or push something down the stairs. That's the fit. That's
that's one way it does it. Another way is it
uses I suppose when he put it like photonic masking,
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where it can actually it looks like a black mass.
It can it creates like a bubble around itself and
it creates like a black mass effect. So it's to
what people see, mostly of them in the basements and
ettics of houses. So and they look like a fast
moving black mass that whizzes by really fast, instantaneous exhilaration
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and stopping as well. It moves in a digital way,
and that's what it is. And people think that their
you know, spirits or dead people and stuff, but really
it's just a form of camouflage.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So this caused like a huge uproar. You came out
with this hot on Facebook. I remember this, you know
twenty thirteen. People were not happy with you. The paranormal
community was basically pretty upset because it makes it sound
like everything they're working on is dog craps. So you've
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got a lot of pushback for this.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I got more abuse than think anyone out there.
But the thing is is that that I state to
these people who you know, that the people who are
celebrities and all that, I said, well, what have you
figured out in the last twenty years and what you've
been doing? You've been doing this full time, you know,
twenty years, what have you figured out? And they just
block you. You know, they don't want to talk to you,
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they don't want to engage with you. You know. Really, what
it is is that paranormal activity is more of a
religion the natural science. So as a result, there's a
lot of pseudo sort of science behind it, and people
will believe what they want to believe. You know, I
can show someone my work and I can explain it,
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and I can trigger it and I can demonstrate it,
and then an hour later they're talking to spirits again.
I currently help help them.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I mean, I have a controversial question for you, then,
I mean, I mean, I think your work is amazing.
We're gonna we're going to keep diving into this plays
into the bigger picture of where we are right now
in the world. Uh, and maybe some of the stuff
we're dealing with. But I mean, do you believe just
on a different level, do you believe that there there
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could be some other kind of beans in another dimension
of time and space that are also there that you know,
not necessarily what you're what you're talking about in this interview,
but on another level, do you believe that there there
could be beans?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh? Yeah, definitely, Yeah, definitely. It's just I just but
what I focused on was specifically porta guy's activity, because
all the behaviors are the same, all the patterns are
the same. And the interesting thing is is that you
can measure poorta guy's activity going back through history, and
I think the first one was in the fourth century.
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So this is how long that these fears have been
here since the fourth century.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, as as much as you know. It could
be they could be here longer. I mean, maybe we'll
find a part in one of the temples of Egypt.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
And yeah, but it makes sense for a lot of
things because the there's a lot of other effects you see,
like people who go into these buildings a lot they
suffer with the headaches, they have fatigue, they have.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
They they feel tired, they feel sickness. It's it's and
if you if you actually map all their symptoms, it's
it's pretty much matches the same as low dose radiation.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Poisoning, right, And that's and that's something that uh, in
our cold open we we've kind of previewed that. Gary
Nolan's really interested in your work because he's noticing from
from his paper that he published i think a year
ago now about how people were that there was a
lot of people that had some kind of weird rain
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anomally when they've had an instance where they've come in
contact with aliens or UFOs or UAPs. So let's before
we get into that. I'm trying to keep everything sectioned
because if your work is so detailed and so interesting,
I just don't want anybody to lose lose the path here. So, so, Patrick,
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you dove into this paranormal world which they cut you
up in little pieces, which you kept going and you're
not deterred. So how did you You kind of started
looking at the bigger picture and you started seeing spheres,
not just in haunted houses, but you started studying UFO
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and UAP videos and again we have you have the
same sphere. So tell us how you transition from kind
of looking at the bigger picture, not just the paranormal community,
and start to really look at the big picture of
these spheares been everywhere all the time, everywhere from the Bible,
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world War two, and then as we put in our
cold open, just at the attempted Trump assassination. So how
did you get into that transition?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Okay, So when you have a technology that is operating
in a strange place such as a house, especially a
very exotic technology like that, you have to ask yourself, well,
what's the purpose of it? And also, as I said,
it appears to be relaying signals, and in fact, with
sample the signals already and then the question begs, what
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are you sending signals too? So when you start hunting
around the Internet and you start seeing bigger variants of
the same technology, as in you're not like you have
a syllaball this big, and then you have one this big,
and you have one this big, you think, okay, well
they all look the same, they all fly the same,
they all seem to be the same technology, just bigger variance,
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so they must be connected because obviously the people who
are building the small ones are probably building the big ones.
So then what you start looking for is patterns are
between them. And what I started noticing was there was
a behavior were what I call the type two seers.
And the behavior of that is where you see a
big silver ball and it is basically sitting low in
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the sky and you will sit there for maybe half
an hour, and then it will just fly off. And
then you see other examples where they will come across
they cruise from A to B. We we're all slow
across the sky. All they're very fast, but they are
always quite loads of the ground.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And those are the type of Those are the type three.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the type twos.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Those are the type twos. Okay, I want to play
a video so people can see what a type two
h Type two looks like. This is a type two correct.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's correct. Yeah, And as you can see, it sits
in the the air for a long period of time
and just very slowly moves or generally stays in the
same spot. So when you see that, you think, okay,
well what's it doing, you know, because it's an unusual
behavior to do. So the only thing it could be
doing is relaying signals, because if you've got the Type
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three's in the building, and if they're using directed microwaves
and we have detected microwaves and gamma rays and one
point six gigahertz coming out of the building as well,
then it must be going to something else which is
receiving it. And it couldn't be a high energy signal
because that would be a bit too dangerous. So it
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must be a low energy signal going from Type three
to Type two, unless, of course, the distance between the
Type three and Type two is so far that it
needs a higher energy output. And that's when Padi guys se.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That was a video of a Type three which we've
been talking about that are in the Poultery guyed type
houses and stuff like that, and they're on the ground
relaying information from the ground up to the Type twos.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That we just saw.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And then and then the Type ones are doing what.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Because the yeah, they create the V formations that everyone's
seeing in the sky at the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So so how do the Type ones that are forming
these B positions in the sky, how are they communicating
with the Type twos and the Type threes. How does
that all work together?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, being up the diagram, so they have a micro
they appear to have a microwave link between each of
the Type ones. They are all connecting to each other directly.
And then what's happening is that they lay down to
the Type two and then they lay down to the
Type threes in the building, and the Type threes will
then relate it to either the control center wherever that is,
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or to other classes up in the up in the atmosphere,
so it kind of like roots around and loops back
up again. As a result, what it does is that
because all the signals are away from the target that
is pointing at from the target's point of view, it's
actually undetectable. So in the same way, our own stealth
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fighters will use satellites to relay their own signals and
communications too, because it's away from the battlefield, so it'll
go straight up to and across the across the across
the sky. This is relaying downwards. As a result, they
can they intercept and triangulate on these other UFOs.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And so this so this is crazy because they're all
on communication. It seems they're monitoring something. There's nothing there's
no reason for something to be on the ground laying
a message unless they are they are monitoring what's happening
on Earth. Would you would you? Would you agree? I
mean that seems logical that this device would be monitoring
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on the ground, then sending up to the signal and
type twos, and then giving out direction to the type ones.
Am I correct by saying that?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So? As I said, the type threes operate like satellites
in reverse, but they use to think well burstry laying,
so they're not relaying all the time. It's only it
only comes online when it needs to, and then it
starts doing its birstry laying. And then it's using the
building itself to shield the electrical emissions, which means that
the network itself just blends in with background radiation. So
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from the craft they say one hundred thousand feet up
in the sky, it just won't detect it. It just
all blends in with background radiation. And then the next
thing it knows is is surrounded by sears up in
the atmosphere. That's how it rolls, and from what I
can tell, the whole thing takes about forty five seconds.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Wow, forty five seconds, so how many of these have
you been able to track? The the concept of the
relaying of the information and then the kind of formation
around a U, A P or installation or or whatever
they're they're guarding.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
There are there are one hundreds, well I would say
hundreds of videos now of the type one B formations.
And then where you have in all the videos, you'll
have the V formation. Then you have the Type two
behind it, and you can always depend you can always
tell where the target is because the Type two will
always be behind that or in the safe safe zone
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if you want to call it that. So if the
target is up here, you have the V formation here,
and you have the type two here, and then you
actually might have another Type two here as it relays
across the sky, which all or over mountains or over topology.
And what it what it appears to be doing, is
that the the type ones are using a process called trilateration,
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which where it's where they're using three points to to
target an object in three D space. It's like a
mathematical process.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wow, okay, but what but what? All right? We have
an image qu'ed up here? So is this is this
what you're talking about here?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, okay, so there's the three and then there's the
kind of the relayship. So tell me break down the
calculations of math. You know, I love patterns, you know,
I produce code twelve. Everything's in patterns of three, six, nine, twelve.
So here we have something paranormal, possibly alien, and we
have this triangulation of three and you so it's a mathematical,
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mathematical calculation. What is that mathematical calculation?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm not sure I know the trilateration, but is a
big equation gone or the equation? Yeah, it's a huge equation. Well,
that trilateration is a huge equation. So I don't have
it in my head. But you can see the process
for quick quite easily. So you have like the type
twos there, which then talks to the type type one
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V formations. The triangle itself operats in a flat way
and it will move like this as one or rotate
in the air like this as one. And again what
is doing is it's tracking the target and using those
three points to get an exact position on it.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All right, So now the big question we've kind of
figured out. We've explained to the audience the spheres and
the research you've be done with the spheres and how
they communicate, how they work together. All right, big question.
We are at a point in our civilization as humans
where we are still debating if aliens are real or not.
(35:47):
You know, the government's now involved. There's tons of disclosure
movements that are picking up speed and whistleblowers. But you're
coming out and saying, yeah, all these strange on a
craft are then being shown with spears. You're taking it
to the next level. You're saying, yeah, but a lot
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of them are whatever they are there, if they're not
man made, nobody can claim them. They they seem to
be surrounded by these spears. So the next question would
be to you, why are these spheares surrounding UFOs and UAPs.
What's your theory on that.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, it could be that they want the other groups
just want something that we have, and I think that
they It's like any air force. By the way, It's
like if say a Russian jet went into American airspace,
they would they would triangle, they would triangulate on it,
and they will force it to land or they'll shoot
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it down. It's the same kind of thinking. It's it's
basically access to the the domain. So I don't think
that they shoot everything down. I think a lot of
it is that they will go and it out and
the other craft will just leave. They might just be passing.
But then I think that they might be hostile ones
that do get taken out. And in fact, there's a
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there's a video there of what exploding.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Which you should look at.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
So here you can see this was filmed through telescope.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We don't have the audio on. This guy is saying,
I'm filming this planet over here, and then there's you
could see these spheres and then it explodes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's correact.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Hopefully we get to the explosion part. But I I
here it is. He's showing us his his telescope he's using.
He's pointing out the planet. He's pointing this is what
I'm focusing on. He's not looking for spheres. I don't
think so. And we go into the camera and into
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the lens and there's all these.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
You see the triangle there, yeah, wow, And that's in
the horizontal conflict, which means the target is either abovele below,
but it's below.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
But the target is a planning.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
There's a craft.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's a craft.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Wow, what happens is that all that what you're seeing
there is shattered metal or it's atomized metal, as in
it's now like in a liquid state. So what's actually
happening is that's landing in our oceans and there's now
a lot of shipping companies that are now mining the
ocean ground, the ocean floor, and they're finding lots of
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very exotic, very unique, extraterrestrial like metals. Yes, hoovering up
like like no one's business.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right. Uh, well, are you talking about the ones that
are producing oxygen on the on the deep ocean floor
or the ones that Harvard scientist is digging up in.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
The ocean scientist looking at Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I think you have a picture of that of av Low, Yeah,
with his metals. So this is a big story because
we're still at a civilization point where we're arguing here's
here's av Low. I'm sure if you're an enthusiast, you've heard.
You know, he's gotten money behind him to dig up
the oceans, and he's been pretty exact in his calculations
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on where to go. So you know, it hasn't been
a lot of we haven't heard a lot of what's
happening with av Low. But but I'm sure he's digging
up something pretty profound, and that's why we're kind of
waiting for what he has next.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But by the way, you see you see the the
tiny sphere of metal on the right there. Metal takes
that form when it's in a liquid state. It turns
into droplets. So that was a droplet and then it
hit the scene and becomes sphere.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Wow, very cool. Yeah, look, how happy is that he
found that?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Oh? I would be pretty happy too.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, well we're going on an expedition Patrick, you might
just find that, all right, So let's get back. This
is a huge story. So we have this system that's
working on Earth too. It seems protect us from not
only getting harmed by their electromagnetic energy sorry the radiation
(40:42):
that they're giving off on their ground software, but also
to protect us from things also not human. Right, we
don't know who created this technology, this system that's monitoring
our planet, but other things that are coming in from
other dimensions of time and space. They're also protecting us
from that. I mean that's crazy. So who do you
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think built this monitoring technology system that seems to have
been with us since the beginning of time.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Well, when I was doing when I was doing my
research that you strive, I saw an image of a
guy which was caught by kind of like by accident,
and you see this guy with an elongated head, like
his head goes back like this. And the only place
that you kind of see that is in the Pyramids
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and the Egyptian depictions. So I kind of think, I
kind of think it wouldn't surprise me if it was
the same group that built the pyramids are still here.
It's just they live somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Right, And you think maybe they live they live underground.
You think that they I mean, there's lots of ancient
stories of beans that live underground. Obviously have covered lots
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of ancient civilization stories where we talk about longated heads
and those beans, and people have lots of ideas where
they came from. Why do you feel that they're underground?
What would be the purpose of having something monitoring us
from above if they're underground?
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Well, if they if they live here and they've lived
here for a long time, it's highly likely that they
would be underground because it's living underground is actually quite
beneficial because obviously you're immune to any kind of environmental
changes or costraska or you know, future events, natural events.
And also, I mean the the images and the video
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that I got from my test, you kind of see
a guy with very large eyes which is actually entering
the woodland where I was, because it was actually taken
through a tunnel entering the woodland rather than leaving, and
which would suggest to me that they live in the
woodland underground. M Right now, if you have a group
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or a high IQ group that lives underground, and let's
say that they created us in history, and let's say
they have an IQ level around three hundred and we
have an IQ of one hundred, you have to ask yourself, well,
what's what's the point of genetically modifying a primate or
blending with a primate? You know, what would what would
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be the point of it? And then you say to yourself, okay,
well what does the primate have? And it's like what
he's got huge strength, highly survivable, very fast, and very strong,
very quickly from birth. And if we were in some
sort of war situation, that is what you would probably do.
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If you were a van species, you would blend your
DNA with a primate and creating basically like a super soldier.
In effect, it'll be like a I suspect that human
being gen one was more of a primate than what
you see today, but probably could take orders. And I
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think that's probably what occurred.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I mean that's a I mean, you're not alone
in the theory. Obviously not attached to what your research is,
and it's new, but there is there's that idea of
the missing link. There's the idea of you know, some
kind of beans came down here and genetically altered us
(44:47):
for a reason, whether it was to mind gold or
to make us useful to them. I mean, that would
make sense, but it feels that they're kind of muddling
with with what we're doing, and you know, what would
be the point of that? And look, I don't want
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to fall into too big of a government conspiracy situation
here with the Trumps attempted says the assassination video. But
but why are they monitoring these kinds of things? Okay,
so they've created a super soldour and they're supposed to
be running around somehow guarding guarding the gates, if you will,
for their safe haven underground, because maybe something happened to
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their species and now they're living here and they're not
leaving and they're staying underground. Okay, fine, and then there's
somehow what would be the point of meddling in our
affairs if that's what they're doing, if if besides other
alien groups coming in, what would be the point of
them figuring out what we're doing with politics or uh
(45:52):
even our even our own evolution? I mean, do they
not want us to be too evolved? They do?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They want us to the means. I mean, all you
can do is look at history, and what you spot
is where civilizations rise and they suddenly fall, and you
have to ask yourself why, I mean, is engineered or
is it just by nature? I don't know, but what
I what I could say is that they seem to
(46:21):
engage nuclear weapons quite a lot. And the only reason
I can say that they would do that is if
we are indeed, like the guardians of their games, they
don't want too many of their own foot soldiers to die,
So they don't mind the odd little war here and there,
or a few thousand people or even a few million
(46:41):
people dying, but they don't want it on a massive scale.
So they were disabled nuclear weapons. But let us have
our own little skirmishes here and there. And that's what
I think is a kind of going on. I mean,
I can't prove it, but that's my general feeling on it.
It's like saying it's like saying, you've got eight billion
(47:03):
guard dogs guarding your castle, and one billion of them
die through their own internal battles and wars, and we
you know, from this perspective, it's like it's like, well,
there's still seven billionaire to guard guard the gates, so
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it's okay, But if nuclear weapons were deployed, then that
might be down to twenty or thirty percent. And that's
so that could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Right, And we do see a lot of spears that
are over military bases and missile silos. I mean that's
been it's definitely been, you know, also UFOs and UAPs
as well. But you know this, Okay, let's just say
all this is true. And you've got this race that
(47:54):
wants to survive and they're really advanced and they're monitoring
us like hunger games on the surface, like guarding their gates.
What about So you have these different alien groups trying
to intervene. Could these other alien groups trying to intervene
with us. Could they actually be a benefit to us?
(48:15):
I mean, it feels like we're kind of if what
you're saying is true, we're enslaved by these people underground.
Are these beans underground? I mean, could could these other
beans coming from a different time and space actually be
here to aid us or make us aware of our situation?
Speaker 3 (48:36):
I don't know. I don't know, but all all I
can really kind of say is that you wouldn't fly
all the way here unless you wanted something, and generally,
generally you know.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
It.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Also, species themselves are separated by IQ levels, So for instance,
a primate could never function in human domain. So it
doesn't matter how much a primate will bang on the
door of humanity, he will never really be allowed into it.
He will never understand, you know, our politics or technology
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or anything. I mean, the primate thinks he's king of
the castle seeing in his tree, but the human domain
completely flattens it. And so there is no benefit for
primates to enter the human domain. And maybe it's the
same with humans and other groups, whereby there is no
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raw benefit of us entering their domain. It might just
be too much for us to process, too much for
us to deal with. And I think it's maybe a
mixer and a blend of both. Where the seers are
are doing a job. And I think the reason why
we're seeing them so often now is because you've got
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to remember that the human race has been pumping our
illiterate commissions into space for a very long time, so
that makes us very trackable. So if one group just
happens to hear us, which might want something that we have,
and it doesn't necessarily mean that they're evil or anything.
In the same way as we might want a part
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of a forest or are part of a you know,
someone's land. We just take the land or we take
the forest while all the animals think we're evil, but
we're not. We just want the land or you know.
And it might be the same kind of thinking and
the seas that appeared to be engaging these other craft
(50:40):
and saying, you know, you can't come in, or or
doing it by politics or by force, But.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Wouldn't they stop us from having the technology to be
able to track them and see them? And now we're
asking questions. Now we're becoming we're becoming We're not the
in the ant farm, you know type of thing. We're
becoming aware like that cannot be part of the plan
unless it is, because now you have this whole body
of research. I always think I'm very big into talking
(51:14):
about the simulation talk, and you know, could we be
living one and all of that because of all the
patterns that we humans create and everything around us in
a pattern? Right, so we're speaking about this in a pattern.
And but one of the things that always comes up
when I'm interviewing people about the simulation theory is, well,
why why is the simulation allowing us to ask if
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it's a simulation? Like the simulation would just wipe you
out for even thinking about that, because it doesn't. It
wants to continue with the simulation. But for some reason,
if all that's true, we're allowed to ask that. So
the fact that we are allowed to have this conversation
that we are allowed to you're allowed to collect all
this data from these kind of overseers. What you what
(52:00):
do I mean this? We're theoretically talking now, But what
do you think that the purpose of that would be
to make us aware? Do you think that we actually
are useful in some other way besides the guard dogs?
Speaker 3 (52:15):
We well, maybe maybe every group was because it has
been created for a reason or or something. Everyone has
to have parents of some sort. I suspect. I I mean,
regarding the similation theory, I think we probably do exist
(52:37):
in one maybe we I mean. A good example of
that actually was from Elon Musk recently, where he said,
we never dream about our phones or computers, even though
we're always looking at them. It's like our brains can't
all all the simulation itself, can't create machines within machines.
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So and I even tried it myself. Actually, I tried
to dream about using my phone, and I got to
the point where I could look at my phone, but
nothing would work on my phone. So it's kind of like,
as I said, the machine can't create a machine. It
can only And also what I kind of noticed is
that your dream states so mostly read only as well.
It's not like you can write to it. It's, as
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I said, like when you flick a phone, that's read right,
because you're writing back to the operating system. When in
a dream state, it's kind of like read only where
you're just getting getting the information, you're not actually writing
anything back. So that's kind of interesting, and it's it's
and I think that's quite a common occurrence as well.
People can't can't seem to process that in their dreams.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
It could be a case of yeah, we do live
in as similation. It could be we live in a
three dimensional simulation or an atomic based simulation in maybe
a set in d universe something like that. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, we're being able to kind of hrip the curtains
back a little bit. How does the How does the
government feel about all your investigations? I think you told
me that you've reached out to a US senator correct, Oh.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, yeah, Well, we gave her a paper about a
year before the U A P hearings, who was again
a Gillibrand Gillibrand Gilibrand how'd you pronounce it? See, And
we gave we gave to her and in the beginning
we uh, yeah, we're going to have lots of meetings
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with her and all sorts of catch up and follow
ups and stuff, and just went silent, just the doors
shop even we went, we went to our office and
just wouldn't wouldn't come.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
I think you might have gotten too close to the mark.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Well, I mean, I've also heard from other sources who
are kind of like in touch with the intelligence services
and stuff, and they say that, Yeah, I think I
think Patrick's that's pretty much held it. I think he's right,
that's that's what the message was from indirect sources. But
it will never go you know, you gotta understand it
(55:16):
will never go official. There will never be any official
thing from that, because you've got to remember that most
of the world doesn't care about disclosure. It doesn't care
about aliens. They're too busy living their own lives. And
we kind of depend on countries that are very very
reactive in religious sense or in social senses, so's there's
(55:40):
very little chance of the government actually saying anything. And hence,
when the the spheres when public in the hearing, everyone
stood up and said, we don't know anything, but do
you see The thing is that the thing is that
the spheres are are now seen every day somewhere, and
(56:02):
every day, literally every day, there's a new video somewhere,
and it's always the same process doing the same thing,
and it's exactly as I as I am shown a
few years ago, and it's just silence from from because
it is a hot potato, it really is, and it's
(56:22):
it's but the interesting thing is is that the formations
are also seen in religious religious imagery as well. Yeah,
Like you see that there's like a three points in
the sphere with Jesus holding it, and it's like, well,
(56:42):
this this stuff. As I said, if if the type
three spheres are responsible for bodyge activity, you can measure
it back to the fourth century.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
So this is or even further. I mean, yeah, you know,
these are things that Plato talked about without guinea in
the quantum physics. But the idea of three, six and
nine and twelve are significant in some kind of energy
system has always been something that's been talked about, right,
and I think, I mean, I really feel that you're
(57:16):
going to figure that out, that you're going to figure
out why the three need to be together and how
that works with some kind of energy system. So, I mean,
more to come, more interviews to come on this subject.
But this is really fascinating. It's definitely heating up. In
the end, You're and you're definitely getting universities and people
(57:37):
to really take what you have seriously. And I'm really
happy about that because it's been a long time coming.
We've been talking about this for a while and it
was a fascinating research and this only opens the floodgates
for you to get more data to add it into
your pattern system. And one of the things that I
always think is important. I know there's a lot of
journalists out there that only want to do they want
(57:58):
to really fight for that one angle that they're trying
to get across. But for me, I really think that
the more evidence that we can prove that there's a pattern,
whether it's paranormal or aliens or ancient civilizations or whatever,
I think that we have more grounds to actually speak
about something some kind of truth happening. And to me,
this is the most truth that I've heard about investigating
(58:22):
paranormal activity and aliens in a very long time. So
pleasure having you on the shower coming back, because there's
gonna be new stuff coming out, I know it definitely.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I mean there's lots of things going on. I'm just
glad it's finally coming out.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
It's taking me years, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
And I'm glad that the monk visited you in the
park because you would never.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Be on this journey so for some reason, pretty different.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, it's your journey, and most of the people I interview,
they wouldn't be involved in any of this unless something
would have happened to them, so it's pretty pretty miraculous.
All right, Patrick, thank you so much for joining us
on Cosmic Intervention, a sobering experience into the paranormal and
all the weird stuff, and I can't wait to see
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you again back on the show.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Okay, all right, bye bye, all.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Right, everybody, thank you so much for joining Cosmic Intervention,
and more episodes coming weekly monthly. Tune in, bring your
own alcohol b YOB, and uh we will see you
next time.
It's time to get serious about the weirdness out there.
And that's why, after my two beloved hosts left Cosmic Cantina,
I decided to keep my journalist integrity going with something
I call Cosmic Intervention. I will cover topics from spiritual awakenings,
azoteric knowledge, ancient civilizations, paranormal and other.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Worldly beings, but in a new twist, because, let's face it,
if we've already heard most of these narratives before, we
need an intervention when it comes to what might be
going on beyond the veil.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
July thirteenth, twenty twenty four, gunshots and screaming are heard
at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, a historic day in
American politics, no matter what side of Trump fits into
your belief system. Videos from bodycams, professional cameras, and personal
phones have been analyzed, but only a handful of people
are talking about a video that was captured of strange
(00:59):
spears that were shown in the sky during this event. Now,
before we fall into a government conspiracy rabbit hole here,
I want to point out that there is an uptick
of these spears everywhere. They are shown surrounding planes, over
military installations, haunted areas or paranormal hotspots, even in play daylight,
(01:20):
hovering above us. Now, our technology might have gotten better,
but there also could be the idea that they have
been here forever. And if they've always been here, why
are they here? Why do they seem to be monitoring us,
protecting us or harming us? My guest today ten years
ago was kicked out of the paranormal community for suggesting
(01:41):
that these spheres were linked to an AI based network
connecting each other and information. He then expanded his research
beyond the paranormal and realized that the spears were behaving
the exact same way around all of our human activities. Now,
government officials and Gary Nolan himself has said that this
(02:01):
bloke from the UK has stumbled onto something truly profound.
Tonight's show, we are going to dive into a topic
we covered over five years ago on Cosmic Cantina. Get
your drinks out, pull up a chair next to this
compelling conversation on what you don't know about the spears.
(02:24):
Welcome everybody to cosmic intervention. Yes, Josh and Matt are
not with me. They have left me at the bar alone,
but that's all good because now I get to talk
to really amazing people that are offering some awesome different
perspectives on paranormal aliens, ancient civilizations, and anything weird. That
(02:44):
is what we're going to talk about here. So you
have me and my guest today, Patrick Jackson. As you've
heard of the Cold Open, he has been looking into
these spears for a very long time and he was
on the forefront of it before anybody else was. With
with no other talk from from me, Melissa, I want
to introduce Patrick Jackson to the show.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Blow Blow That.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Patrick. This is like deja vu. Uh. You know, people
that are tuning into this episode, maybe you have not
listened to all the Cosmic CANTEENA episodes, but you were
one of our first interviews, like over five years ago,
when nobody knew who you were and you had this
amazing you had this amazing data on these spears.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You remember that, Yeah, and no one knew what I
was talking about, So yeah, it kind of kind of
it was interesting. It was all yeah, I don't know
what else to say.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah, it was great you you reached out to me, uh,
and I just immediately I'm pretty good. You know, there's
a lot of people that reach out to me with
with images and photos and all sorts of things, and uh,
they're a very interesting But when you came to me
with what you had discovered and what you were working on,
(04:06):
I thought I'd never heard of this before. And this
really starts to get into the bigger picture. So with
that wasting too much time, let's get to know a
little bit about you, Like you know, you're you're the
man in the shadows. If you will tell us how
you got into this, because if I remember correctly, you
were a complete skeptic. You weren't in the paranormal world.
(04:28):
You weren't in the UFO UAP world. You were just
minding your own business as a reverse engineer.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah. So most basically my background is I'm in it
and for a long time aster and infrastructure now to
databases and development and a big part of that reverse engineering.
And when I when I first had my first experience,
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and so it kind of woke me up a bit
and I just wanted to try and figure out if
I can try and figure something out I didn't really
have I wasn't it wasn't my intention to write a
book or do anything. It was just really if I
could figure it out it out. So what happened originally
was I was I used to go down to the
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local village pub and I was like on the big
field and I was just sitting there waiting for the
pubs open, and it was like seven o'clock at night
during the midsummer, and I just looked across the field
and there was this guy standing there, dless as a monk.
And I couldn't really believe it. I thought it was
a guy, you know, just having a joke or something.
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So I just shouted at him for a while. But
it actually just looked like a black statue or a
gray statue. But you could see all the detail. You
could see him like a coat and like a big hood,
and it looked like a monk standing there, and it
was he was rather as for real. So at the
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time I had a laser pointer in my pocket and
I just pulled the laser out and I just I
remember the beam going on the ground and then up
the chest, on up his leg, on the chest into
it where his face was, and he had like a
big hood over his head and where the layers actually
reflected off the area. But it was just like a
big black mass and well, that kind of kind of
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got me interesting because I didn't know what it was,
and I just actually just got up, got upside walking
towards it, and I got within maybe ten ten feet
fifteen feet of it, and it just dissipated, dissipated into
the background. And I never I never seen anything like
that before, and he just kind of like made, you know,
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woke my brain up it and said, oh, you know
what's going on there? And I actually went to the
bar later on and I said, I think I just
saw like a like a monk or something across the
field and he said, oh, yeah, that's the mad Monkey
haunts here. I was like, what, So, I'd never never
heard that story before, and I've never seen anything like
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that before, and to see it so blatantly in front
of my face for quite a long period of time
as well, I think when it went on for about
a good three or four minutes. And yeah, and then
I it kind of just kept bugging me. And as
I was growing sort of growing up and doing more
in it and stuff like that, I started watching all
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the mainstream paranormal TV shows, all the all the mainstream stuff,
and none of it really gelled with me. I couldn't
really understand what they were saying. It didn't really the
logic didn't add up in my mind.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
And why and why does Why doesn't the logic add
up in your mind? Is it because it just felt
like they weren't actually creating data or patterns around their findings.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well, yeah, that and also, I mean, why would a
guy come back and stand in the middle of a
field for four minutes and then disappear and you know,
just stand there like a statue. It makes no sense.
It's not normal human behavior. Humans are generally quite sociable creatures,
so it's the behavior pattern didn't seem to match, and
(08:22):
it just kind of so I kind of I started
watching all the mainstream stuff and it was all the same.
It was all the same patterns, all the same kind
of experiences. By the end of the night, they found
nothing and it just they just then closed the show
and it went on to another location. But it didn't
say make any sense to me, and I just saw
(08:43):
I got to a stage, I think, as in twenty
twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, I thought, I'm just going to
give it a try and see if I can spot
anything or notice any patterns or just give it a try,
because I mean at work at the time, I was
like doing big projects and I was doing right, and
(09:03):
what I do is nothing special. It's plenty common in
the IT industry.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know. But I have to say, you know, this
is pretty common for people who have experiences right their
minding their own business. They're going on with their human
existence and then something supernatural, paranormal, alien, whatever you want
to call it happens and they can't get out of
their mind. Did you think now, looking back in retrospect,
I mean, twenty thirteen was over ten years ago. Did
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you think that this happened to you for a reason
that you were supposed to look into it, the fact
that it kept you up at night you wanted to
figure out the truth of what you saw. Did you
think I don't know if it happened for a reason.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I don't know. It feels like I was supposed to
see anything. You know, it was just maybe it's just
lucky because other people are seeing it as well. Maybe
it lucky. And it's the only time I've ever seen it,
and the last time I saw it as well. I
haven't seen anything since like that. But it's definitely put
me on a different path because or when when I
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started working this stuff out, it was it's it's hard
to explain, but so in it, what what I do
is is I generally create like a mental image of
what is going on in the program or in the system,
and then I can kind of model it, and then
I can debug it in a way so I can
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throw different kind of stress tests at it or different
ideas at it, and then kind of work out virtually
in my mind what's going to happen or how it reacts.
And so I started doing the same thing with the
paranormal or predominantly portageists, and it was it was pretty
(10:58):
brutal because I used to wake up in the morning
and it was like a machine would switched on in
my head and I would be thinking about it NonStop
from ace in the morning to one in the morning
the same day. Every day it would be the major
thought in my head, and I could feel different ideas
thrown out like a machine. It was throwing different ideas
at it and modeling it and then going, now it
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doesn't work, and then discarding it and come up with
another one. And so what happened was I came up
with a few ideas what porta guys sexifty was originally,
but once I actually went to a place called thirty Strive,
which is the most aggressive portageist in the UK, those
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ideas disappeared very quickly because I thought it was it
maybe some sort of quantum mirroring effects something like that,
where maybe there's some kind of data leakage from one
timeline to another or something, you know, a bit wooey
like that. But it came very clear that it was
actually intro active and he was watching what you were doing.
(12:03):
So it clearly wasn't like an error in the universe
or in nature. It's actually something that is watching you
and then reacts to it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And so explain explain that in Layman's terms. I mean,
because people that do paranormal investigations will say the same thing.
You know, something's watching you and they're reacting to you,
throwing things at you, ringing bells, you know, hitting buttons,
you know whatever, But you're specifically talking about something else.
You're talking about a different kind of response mechanism. Explain
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that to us in the paranormal field before we jump
into aliens.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So the thing is is that when I was doing
my test at thirty within fifteen minutes of being in
the building. I just said a simple question, I said,
is anyone here? And straight away the coal shed door
downstairs banged eight times and we all went down there
and there's no one there, and it's a sealed a
sealed door, can't get into it, and so there's things
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like that. So I kind of knew that we were
being watched, but I didn't know what was watching us
or why, and I don't I didn't understand the behaviors
of it at the time, and it really confused me
for a long time because I I it just didn't
make any sense. And it's understandable why the mainstream kind
of believe that this is the dead people and spirits
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and stuff, because they always they always kind of, you know,
related to something that they feel comfortable with. But in
fact that what I found very quickly was that the
patterns that I was seeing were not human patterns but
machine like patterns. And then what I realized was that
you're actually dealing with a form of advanced AI. And
(13:48):
in fact, now I've I've kind of got so good
at it that I can trigger it on response, on
the on demand, very.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Much so we're looking at three right now. This is
one of us haunted in the UK.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Correct, that's correct.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And then you built a device correct to trigger it
like after this experience. Correct, So that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It took a little while to figure out what was
actually causing it, but once I figured it out, one
thing needed onto another, and I came up with a
code that you can run that will trigger a response.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And then what was this? What was this code? Like?
For instance, I am I'm not a counder, but is it?
Is it? Are we dealing with a binary code? Are
we dealing with I'll explain that. I mean that seems
that doesn't seem very advanced to me. I mean, am
I wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Well, the way I look at it is like if
it's a I, you can understand what you're trying to
tell it. So what I'd done was was I kind
of figured out a language. It understood computer language, but
it understood. And then what I did was I encoded
the message into it, and then I just looped it
and then convert the binary into sound and then put
(15:11):
that into an app. And then I got a team
actually like a third party team just to go while
you were in there at the time to try it,
and straight away it started, it started interacting. But in seconds.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Hm, wow, that's pretty interesting. So did uh did you?
How did you come up with the code? See, this
is where I think is really interesting with your backstory.
You're a complete skeptic. You have this experience, you then
can't that experience, just cannot let your brain go, and
you keep trying to figure out how to communicate with
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this activity that's happening in the house, and then you
create a device with a code that then kind of irritates.
Is that the right word? Yeah, whatever the energy is.
And what you've noticed is that anytime that you I'm
just paraphrasing what you're saying, anytime that you play this code,
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that it irritates these spheres, and then you're able to
capture the spears. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Where you spot them or you can detect the electronic emissions.
So the one of the main electronic emissions, what I
detect a lot is static. Like a lot of static,
it appears that the byproduct of a field based proportion
system is static. So if what I designed these devices
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to sample the the the static in the in the
in the area at the time and then that anything
that goes above that threshold will then trigger like a
light to go off or something. And yeah, here here
are the speares. I mean this is these are why
term as a type three spheres, the baseball size food
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fighters effect. They're the same things what we sawd you
in World War two, except the ones in World War
two and much larger. These are smaller variants that operate
in all haunted houses. It's not just that you strive,
but it's all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So for people just tuning in that are hearing this
for the first time, or maybe they know a little
bit about it. So you started with paranormal and this
activity is happening in a house. Now you're triggering it,
you're getting some response, So now you know you're interactive
with something that you feel is maybe like an AI
technology or some kind of technology that maybe is not human.
(17:39):
But why is it in the house. Before we go
into food fighters and aliens and all sorts of stuff
that's outside this house, why is it in this house?
Like why pick this house?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Now, that's a good question. So what it is is
that the Type three is they operate like satellites in reverse.
So like, well we use space to relay signals two
and then they really relay signals across the planet. What's
happening is is the seers, the type two and the
Type one seers are relaying signals down to the type
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threes in the building, which are then in turn relaying
along a path along other type threes in the row.
If you if you look at the UK, for example,
you'll notice that the hoarded, the most hoarted houses in
the UK are all in lines and clusters which are
of similar distance apart, which means that it's very similar
(18:32):
to our own microwave based communication networks. And it's is yeah,
and it seems to follow environmental topology as well, so
it works around build it works around topology elevations.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So you've got three you're saying, there's three different kinds
of spheres and they all work together. And the ones
that you found in the house are the ground the
ones that are kind of monitoring certain areas that are
desolate per sae because that house is no one lives there, right.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
That's right. But it's like any network, it has to
go where it goes where it needs to go, so
it doesn't always choose where it can go it goes
where it needs to go. So it's a lot like
our own cellular network. Some people have, you know, cellular
towers in the outside their house. It's the same kind
of thing. It goes where it needs to go. But
what what is happening is that they're using buildings is
(19:29):
to master electronic commissions. So what's happening is that most
of the time they're dormant and they're just they're in
the house, but no one really knows how they're and
then they'll get a signal they'll come online. You at
that point they'll start producing hi energy emissions. And then
when they start producing they produce two types of emission.
One is microwave and one is gamma ray. And then
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what happens is that when these gamma rays or microwaves
get to such a point or of of of energy levels,
they will cause disturbance. Is to move people away from
the from the emissions. So it's actually in ligned with
the inverse square or radiation, which means that the most
the further you wire away from the radioactive source, the
safer it is. So in the case of said that
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you strive it bangs a coal shed door like I said,
and if you actually look at them layer of the house,
you'll notice that it's actually the most furthest and a
shielded part of the building which is from the Swea
the series, which is in the attic.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So it's it's trying to push you to safety. So
if I so basically they find a location, they decided
to put out their admissions because if there's no one there,
there's no humans there, no one lives there, it's an
empty spot. Great, now we can broadcast to We're going
to get to the other types of spheres. And so
(20:48):
we're doing our job and then all of a sudden,
a human comes in to check out this polter guy's
house and it's like shuts it down, and then it
gives off some kind of vibration that I mean, this
is where this is where you have to explain it
or where it either gives shadowy figure or like we
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it creates some kind of fear in humans to then
back away.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Explain that a little bit, like how does it how
does it create shadowy like the monk or the these
these creatures like these shadowy beans or you know, how
like how does that, how does it do that? How
does it create that or is it creating an image
in our mind?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So when it actually causes things to move, what it's
really doing is redirecting its propulsion system onto objects, which
commits force. So if it's a door, it will open
the door or bang the door, or knock something over
or push something down the stairs. That's the fit. That's
that's one way it does it. Another way is it
uses I suppose when he put it like photonic masking,
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where it can actually it looks like a black mass.
It can it creates like a bubble around itself and
it creates like a black mass effect. So it's to
what people see, mostly of them in the basements and
ettics of houses. So and they look like a fast
moving black mass that whizzes by really fast, instantaneous exhilaration
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and stopping as well. It moves in a digital way,
and that's what it is. And people think that their
you know, spirits or dead people and stuff, but really
it's just a form of camouflage.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So this caused like a huge uproar. You came out
with this hot on Facebook. I remember this, you know
twenty thirteen. People were not happy with you. The paranormal
community was basically pretty upset because it makes it sound
like everything they're working on is dog craps. So you've
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got a lot of pushback for this.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I got more abuse than think anyone out there.
But the thing is is that that I state to
these people who you know, that the people who are
celebrities and all that, I said, well, what have you
figured out in the last twenty years and what you've
been doing? You've been doing this full time, you know,
twenty years, what have you figured out? And they just
block you. You know, they don't want to talk to you,
(23:19):
they don't want to engage with you. You know. Really, what
it is is that paranormal activity is more of a
religion the natural science. So as a result, there's a
lot of pseudo sort of science behind it, and people
will believe what they want to believe. You know, I
can show someone my work and I can explain it,
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and I can trigger it and I can demonstrate it,
and then an hour later they're talking to spirits again.
I currently help help them.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I mean, I have a controversial question for you, then,
I mean, I mean, I think your work is amazing.
We're gonna we're going to keep diving into this plays
into the bigger picture of where we are right now
in the world. Uh, and maybe some of the stuff
we're dealing with. But I mean, do you believe just
on a different level, do you believe that there there
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could be some other kind of beans in another dimension
of time and space that are also there that you know,
not necessarily what you're what you're talking about in this interview,
but on another level, do you believe that there there
could be beans?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Oh? Yeah, definitely, Yeah, definitely. It's just I just but
what I focused on was specifically porta guy's activity, because
all the behaviors are the same, all the patterns are
the same. And the interesting thing is is that you
can measure poorta guy's activity going back through history, and
I think the first one was in the fourth century.
(24:50):
So this is how long that these fears have been
here since the fourth century.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, as as much as you know. It could
be they could be here longer. I mean, maybe we'll
find a part in one of the temples of Egypt.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
And yeah, but it makes sense for a lot of
things because the there's a lot of other effects you see,
like people who go into these buildings a lot they
suffer with the headaches, they have fatigue, they have.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
They they feel tired, they feel sickness. It's it's and
if you if you actually map all their symptoms, it's
it's pretty much matches the same as low dose radiation.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Poisoning, right, And that's and that's something that uh, in
our cold open we we've kind of previewed that. Gary
Nolan's really interested in your work because he's noticing from
from his paper that he published i think a year
ago now about how people were that there was a
lot of people that had some kind of weird rain
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anomally when they've had an instance where they've come in
contact with aliens or UFOs or UAPs. So let's before
we get into that. I'm trying to keep everything sectioned
because if your work is so detailed and so interesting,
I just don't want anybody to lose lose the path here. So, so, Patrick,
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you dove into this paranormal world which they cut you
up in little pieces, which you kept going and you're
not deterred. So how did you You kind of started
looking at the bigger picture and you started seeing spheres,
not just in haunted houses, but you started studying UFO
(26:44):
and UAP videos and again we have you have the
same sphere. So tell us how you transition from kind
of looking at the bigger picture, not just the paranormal community,
and start to really look at the big picture of
these spheares been everywhere all the time, everywhere from the Bible,
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world War two, and then as we put in our
cold open, just at the attempted Trump assassination. So how
did you get into that transition?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Okay, So when you have a technology that is operating
in a strange place such as a house, especially a
very exotic technology like that, you have to ask yourself, well,
what's the purpose of it? And also, as I said,
it appears to be relaying signals, and in fact, with
sample the signals already and then the question begs, what
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are you sending signals too? So when you start hunting
around the Internet and you start seeing bigger variants of
the same technology, as in you're not like you have
a syllaball this big, and then you have one this big,
and you have one this big, you think, okay, well
they all look the same, they all fly the same,
they all seem to be the same technology, just bigger variance,
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so they must be connected because obviously the people who
are building the small ones are probably building the big ones.
So then what you start looking for is patterns are
between them. And what I started noticing was there was
a behavior were what I call the type two seers.
And the behavior of that is where you see a
big silver ball and it is basically sitting low in
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the sky and you will sit there for maybe half
an hour, and then it will just fly off. And
then you see other examples where they will come across
they cruise from A to B. We we're all slow
across the sky. All they're very fast, but they are
always quite loads of the ground.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And those are the type of Those are the type three.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's the type twos.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Those are the type twos. Okay, I want to play
a video so people can see what a type two
h Type two looks like. This is a type two correct.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
That's correct. Yeah, And as you can see, it sits
in the the air for a long period of time
and just very slowly moves or generally stays in the
same spot. So when you see that, you think, okay,
well what's it doing, you know, because it's an unusual
behavior to do. So the only thing it could be
doing is relaying signals, because if you've got the Type
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three's in the building, and if they're using directed microwaves
and we have detected microwaves and gamma rays and one
point six gigahertz coming out of the building as well,
then it must be going to something else which is
receiving it. And it couldn't be a high energy signal
because that would be a bit too dangerous. So it
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must be a low energy signal going from Type three
to Type two, unless, of course, the distance between the
Type three and Type two is so far that it
needs a higher energy output. And that's when Padi guys se.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That was a video of a Type three which we've
been talking about that are in the Poultery guyed type
houses and stuff like that, and they're on the ground
relaying information from the ground up to the Type twos.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
That we just saw.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And then and then the Type ones are doing what.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Because the yeah, they create the V formations that everyone's
seeing in the sky at the moment.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So so how do the Type ones that are forming
these B positions in the sky, how are they communicating
with the Type twos and the Type threes. How does
that all work together?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah, being up the diagram, so they have a micro
they appear to have a microwave link between each of
the Type ones. They are all connecting to each other directly.
And then what's happening is that they lay down to
the Type two and then they lay down to the
Type threes in the building, and the Type threes will
then relate it to either the control center wherever that is,
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or to other classes up in the up in the atmosphere,
so it kind of like roots around and loops back
up again. As a result, what it does is that
because all the signals are away from the target that
is pointing at from the target's point of view, it's
actually undetectable. So in the same way, our own stealth
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fighters will use satellites to relay their own signals and
communications too, because it's away from the battlefield, so it'll
go straight up to and across the across the across
the sky. This is relaying downwards. As a result, they
can they intercept and triangulate on these other UFOs.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And so this so this is crazy because they're all
on communication. It seems they're monitoring something. There's nothing there's
no reason for something to be on the ground laying
a message unless they are they are monitoring what's happening
on Earth. Would you would you? Would you agree? I
mean that seems logical that this device would be monitoring
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on the ground, then sending up to the signal and
type twos, and then giving out direction to the type ones.
Am I correct by saying that?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
So? As I said, the type threes operate like satellites
in reverse, but they use to think well burstry laying,
so they're not relaying all the time. It's only it
only comes online when it needs to, and then it
starts doing its birstry laying. And then it's using the
building itself to shield the electrical emissions, which means that
the network itself just blends in with background radiation. So
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from the craft they say one hundred thousand feet up
in the sky, it just won't detect it. It just
all blends in with background radiation. And then the next
thing it knows is is surrounded by sears up in
the atmosphere. That's how it rolls, and from what I
can tell, the whole thing takes about forty five seconds.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Wow, forty five seconds, so how many of these have
you been able to track? The the concept of the
relaying of the information and then the kind of formation
around a U, A P or installation or or whatever
they're they're guarding.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
There are there are one hundreds, well I would say
hundreds of videos now of the type one B formations.
And then where you have in all the videos, you'll
have the V formation. Then you have the Type two
behind it, and you can always depend you can always
tell where the target is because the Type two will
always be behind that or in the safe safe zone
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if you want to call it that. So if the
target is up here, you have the V formation here,
and you have the type two here, and then you
actually might have another Type two here as it relays
across the sky, which all or over mountains or over topology.
And what it what it appears to be doing, is
that the the type ones are using a process called trilateration,
(33:55):
which where it's where they're using three points to to
target an object in three D space. It's like a
mathematical process.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Wow, okay, but what but what? All right? We have
an image qu'ed up here? So is this is this
what you're talking about here?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, okay, so there's the three and then there's the
kind of the relayship. So tell me break down the
calculations of math. You know, I love patterns, you know,
I produce code twelve. Everything's in patterns of three, six, nine, twelve.
So here we have something paranormal, possibly alien, and we
have this triangulation of three and you so it's a mathematical,
(34:37):
mathematical calculation. What is that mathematical calculation?
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I'm not sure I know the trilateration, but is a
big equation gone or the equation? Yeah, it's a huge equation. Well,
that trilateration is a huge equation. So I don't have
it in my head. But you can see the process
for quick quite easily. So you have like the type
twos there, which then talks to the type type one
(35:05):
V formations. The triangle itself operats in a flat way
and it will move like this as one or rotate
in the air like this as one. And again what
is doing is it's tracking the target and using those
three points to get an exact position on it.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
All right, So now the big question we've kind of
figured out. We've explained to the audience the spheres and
the research you've be done with the spheres and how
they communicate, how they work together. All right, big question.
We are at a point in our civilization as humans
where we are still debating if aliens are real or not.
(35:47):
You know, the government's now involved. There's tons of disclosure
movements that are picking up speed and whistleblowers. But you're
coming out and saying, yeah, all these strange on a
craft are then being shown with spears. You're taking it
to the next level. You're saying, yeah, but a lot
(36:07):
of them are whatever they are there, if they're not
man made, nobody can claim them. They they seem to
be surrounded by these spears. So the next question would
be to you, why are these spheares surrounding UFOs and UAPs.
What's your theory on that.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, it could be that they want the other groups
just want something that we have, and I think that
they It's like any air force. By the way, It's
like if say a Russian jet went into American airspace,
they would they would triangle, they would triangulate on it,
and they will force it to land or they'll shoot
(36:48):
it down. It's the same kind of thinking. It's it's
basically access to the the domain. So I don't think
that they shoot everything down. I think a lot of
it is that they will go and it out and
the other craft will just leave. They might just be passing.
But then I think that they might be hostile ones
that do get taken out. And in fact, there's a
(37:12):
there's a video there of what exploding.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Which you should look at.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
So here you can see this was filmed through telescope.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
We don't have the audio on. This guy is saying,
I'm filming this planet over here, and then there's you
could see these spheres and then it explodes.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's correact.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Hopefully we get to the explosion part. But I I
here it is. He's showing us his his telescope he's using.
He's pointing out the planet. He's pointing this is what
I'm focusing on. He's not looking for spheres. I don't
think so. And we go into the camera and into
(38:07):
the lens and there's all these.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
You see the triangle there, yeah, wow, And that's in
the horizontal conflict, which means the target is either abovele below,
but it's below.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
But the target is a planning.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
There's a craft.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's a craft.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Wow, what happens is that all that what you're seeing
there is shattered metal or it's atomized metal, as in
it's now like in a liquid state. So what's actually
happening is that's landing in our oceans and there's now
a lot of shipping companies that are now mining the
ocean ground, the ocean floor, and they're finding lots of
(38:53):
very exotic, very unique, extraterrestrial like metals. Yes, hoovering up
like like no one's business.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right. Uh, well, are you talking about the ones that
are producing oxygen on the on the deep ocean floor
or the ones that Harvard scientist is digging up in.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
The ocean scientist looking at Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I think you have a picture of that of av Low, Yeah,
with his metals. So this is a big story because
we're still at a civilization point where we're arguing here's
here's av Low. I'm sure if you're an enthusiast, you've heard.
You know, he's gotten money behind him to dig up
the oceans, and he's been pretty exact in his calculations
(39:40):
on where to go. So you know, it hasn't been
a lot of we haven't heard a lot of what's
happening with av Low. But but I'm sure he's digging
up something pretty profound, and that's why we're kind of
waiting for what he has next.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But by the way, you see you see the the
tiny sphere of metal on the right there. Metal takes
that form when it's in a liquid state. It turns
into droplets. So that was a droplet and then it
hit the scene and becomes sphere.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Wow, very cool. Yeah, look, how happy is that he
found that?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Oh? I would be pretty happy too.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Yeah, well we're going on an expedition Patrick, you might
just find that, all right, So let's get back. This
is a huge story. So we have this system that's
working on Earth too. It seems protect us from not
only getting harmed by their electromagnetic energy sorry the radiation
(40:42):
that they're giving off on their ground software, but also
to protect us from things also not human. Right, we
don't know who created this technology, this system that's monitoring
our planet, but other things that are coming in from
other dimensions of time and space. They're also protecting us
from that. I mean that's crazy. So who do you
(41:05):
think built this monitoring technology system that seems to have
been with us since the beginning of time.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Well, when I was doing when I was doing my
research that you strive, I saw an image of a
guy which was caught by kind of like by accident,
and you see this guy with an elongated head, like
his head goes back like this. And the only place
that you kind of see that is in the Pyramids
(41:36):
and the Egyptian depictions. So I kind of think, I
kind of think it wouldn't surprise me if it was
the same group that built the pyramids are still here.
It's just they live somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Right, And you think maybe they live they live underground.
You think that they I mean, there's lots of ancient
stories of beans that live underground. Obviously have covered lots
(42:13):
of ancient civilization stories where we talk about longated heads
and those beans, and people have lots of ideas where
they came from. Why do you feel that they're underground?
What would be the purpose of having something monitoring us
from above if they're underground?
Speaker 3 (42:32):
Well, if they if they live here and they've lived
here for a long time, it's highly likely that they
would be underground because it's living underground is actually quite
beneficial because obviously you're immune to any kind of environmental
changes or costraska or you know, future events, natural events.
And also, I mean the the images and the video
(42:54):
that I got from my test, you kind of see
a guy with very large eyes which is actually entering
the woodland where I was, because it was actually taken
through a tunnel entering the woodland rather than leaving, and
which would suggest to me that they live in the
woodland underground. M Right now, if you have a group
(43:16):
or a high IQ group that lives underground, and let's
say that they created us in history, and let's say
they have an IQ level around three hundred and we
have an IQ of one hundred, you have to ask yourself, well,
what's what's the point of genetically modifying a primate or
blending with a primate? You know, what would what would
(43:38):
be the point of it? And then you say to yourself, okay,
well what does the primate have? And it's like what
he's got huge strength, highly survivable, very fast, and very strong,
very quickly from birth. And if we were in some
sort of war situation, that is what you would probably do.
(44:02):
If you were a van species, you would blend your
DNA with a primate and creating basically like a super soldier.
In effect, it'll be like a I suspect that human
being gen one was more of a primate than what
you see today, but probably could take orders. And I
(44:23):
think that's probably what occurred.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yeah, I mean that's a I mean, you're not alone
in the theory. Obviously not attached to what your research is,
and it's new, but there is there's that idea of
the missing link. There's the idea of you know, some
kind of beans came down here and genetically altered us
(44:47):
for a reason, whether it was to mind gold or
to make us useful to them. I mean, that would
make sense, but it feels that they're kind of muddling
with with what we're doing, and you know, what would
be the point of that? And look, I don't want
(45:09):
to fall into too big of a government conspiracy situation
here with the Trumps attempted says the assassination video. But
but why are they monitoring these kinds of things? Okay,
so they've created a super soldour and they're supposed to
be running around somehow guarding guarding the gates, if you will,
for their safe haven underground, because maybe something happened to
(45:30):
their species and now they're living here and they're not
leaving and they're staying underground. Okay, fine, and then there's
somehow what would be the point of meddling in our
affairs if that's what they're doing, if if besides other
alien groups coming in, what would be the point of
them figuring out what we're doing with politics or uh
(45:52):
even our even our own evolution? I mean, do they
not want us to be too evolved? They do?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They want us to the means. I mean, all you
can do is look at history, and what you spot
is where civilizations rise and they suddenly fall, and you
have to ask yourself why, I mean, is engineered or
is it just by nature? I don't know, but what
I what I could say is that they seem to
(46:21):
engage nuclear weapons quite a lot. And the only reason
I can say that they would do that is if
we are indeed, like the guardians of their games, they
don't want too many of their own foot soldiers to die,
So they don't mind the odd little war here and there,
or a few thousand people or even a few million
(46:41):
people dying, but they don't want it on a massive scale.
So they were disabled nuclear weapons. But let us have
our own little skirmishes here and there. And that's what
I think is a kind of going on. I mean,
I can't prove it, but that's my general feeling on it.
It's like saying it's like saying, you've got eight billion
(47:03):
guard dogs guarding your castle, and one billion of them
die through their own internal battles and wars, and we
you know, from this perspective, it's like it's like, well,
there's still seven billionaire to guard guard the gates, so
(47:24):
it's okay, But if nuclear weapons were deployed, then that
might be down to twenty or thirty percent. And that's
so that could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Right, And we do see a lot of spears that
are over military bases and missile silos. I mean that's
been it's definitely been, you know, also UFOs and UAPs
as well. But you know this, Okay, let's just say
all this is true. And you've got this race that
(47:54):
wants to survive and they're really advanced and they're monitoring
us like hunger games on the surface, like guarding their gates.
What about So you have these different alien groups trying
to intervene. Could these other alien groups trying to intervene
with us. Could they actually be a benefit to us?
(48:15):
I mean, it feels like we're kind of if what
you're saying is true, we're enslaved by these people underground.
Are these beans underground? I mean, could could these other
beans coming from a different time and space actually be
here to aid us or make us aware of our situation?
Speaker 3 (48:36):
I don't know. I don't know, but all all I
can really kind of say is that you wouldn't fly
all the way here unless you wanted something, and generally,
generally you know.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
It.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Also, species themselves are separated by IQ levels, So for instance,
a primate could never function in human domain. So it
doesn't matter how much a primate will bang on the
door of humanity, he will never really be allowed into it.
He will never understand, you know, our politics or technology
(49:14):
or anything. I mean, the primate thinks he's king of
the castle seeing in his tree, but the human domain
completely flattens it. And so there is no benefit for
primates to enter the human domain. And maybe it's the
same with humans and other groups, whereby there is no
(49:34):
raw benefit of us entering their domain. It might just
be too much for us to process, too much for
us to deal with. And I think it's maybe a
mixer and a blend of both. Where the seers are
are doing a job. And I think the reason why
we're seeing them so often now is because you've got
(49:57):
to remember that the human race has been pumping our
illiterate commissions into space for a very long time, so
that makes us very trackable. So if one group just
happens to hear us, which might want something that we have,
and it doesn't necessarily mean that they're evil or anything.
In the same way as we might want a part
(50:19):
of a forest or are part of a you know,
someone's land. We just take the land or we take
the forest while all the animals think we're evil, but
we're not. We just want the land or you know.
And it might be the same kind of thinking and
the seas that appeared to be engaging these other craft
(50:40):
and saying, you know, you can't come in, or or
doing it by politics or by force, But.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Wouldn't they stop us from having the technology to be
able to track them and see them? And now we're
asking questions. Now we're becoming we're becoming We're not the
in the ant farm, you know type of thing. We're
becoming aware like that cannot be part of the plan
unless it is, because now you have this whole body
of research. I always think I'm very big into talking
(51:14):
about the simulation talk, and you know, could we be
living one and all of that because of all the
patterns that we humans create and everything around us in
a pattern? Right, so we're speaking about this in a pattern.
And but one of the things that always comes up
when I'm interviewing people about the simulation theory is, well,
why why is the simulation allowing us to ask if
(51:37):
it's a simulation? Like the simulation would just wipe you
out for even thinking about that, because it doesn't. It
wants to continue with the simulation. But for some reason,
if all that's true, we're allowed to ask that. So
the fact that we are allowed to have this conversation
that we are allowed to you're allowed to collect all
this data from these kind of overseers. What you what
(52:00):
do I mean this? We're theoretically talking now, But what
do you think that the purpose of that would be
to make us aware? Do you think that we actually
are useful in some other way besides the guard dogs?
Speaker 3 (52:15):
We well, maybe maybe every group was because it has
been created for a reason or or something. Everyone has
to have parents of some sort. I suspect. I I mean,
regarding the similation theory, I think we probably do exist
(52:37):
in one maybe we I mean. A good example of
that actually was from Elon Musk recently, where he said,
we never dream about our phones or computers, even though
we're always looking at them. It's like our brains can't
all all the simulation itself, can't create machines within machines.
(53:00):
So and I even tried it myself. Actually, I tried
to dream about using my phone, and I got to
the point where I could look at my phone, but
nothing would work on my phone. So it's kind of like,
as I said, the machine can't create a machine. It
can only And also what I kind of noticed is
that your dream states so mostly read only as well.
It's not like you can write to it. It's, as
(53:21):
I said, like when you flick a phone, that's read right,
because you're writing back to the operating system. When in
a dream state, it's kind of like read only where
you're just getting getting the information, you're not actually writing
anything back. So that's kind of interesting, and it's it's
and I think that's quite a common occurrence as well.
People can't can't seem to process that in their dreams.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
That's really interesting.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
It could be a case of yeah, we do live
in as similation. It could be we live in a
three dimensional simulation or an atomic based simulation in maybe
a set in d universe something like that. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, we're being able to kind of hrip the curtains
back a little bit. How does the How does the
government feel about all your investigations? I think you told
me that you've reached out to a US senator correct, Oh.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah, yeah, Well, we gave her a paper about a
year before the U A P hearings, who was again
a Gillibrand Gillibrand Gilibrand how'd you pronounce it? See, And
we gave we gave to her and in the beginning
we uh, yeah, we're going to have lots of meetings
(54:40):
with her and all sorts of catch up and follow
ups and stuff, and just went silent, just the doors
shop even we went, we went to our office and
just wouldn't wouldn't come.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
I think you might have gotten too close to the mark.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Well, I mean, I've also heard from other sources who
are kind of like in touch with the intelligence services
and stuff, and they say that, Yeah, I think I
think Patrick's that's pretty much held it. I think he's right,
that's that's what the message was from indirect sources. But
it will never go you know, you gotta understand it
(55:16):
will never go official. There will never be any official
thing from that, because you've got to remember that most
of the world doesn't care about disclosure. It doesn't care
about aliens. They're too busy living their own lives. And
we kind of depend on countries that are very very
reactive in religious sense or in social senses, so's there's
(55:40):
very little chance of the government actually saying anything. And hence,
when the the spheres when public in the hearing, everyone
stood up and said, we don't know anything, but do
you see The thing is that the thing is that
the spheres are are now seen every day somewhere, and
(56:02):
every day, literally every day, there's a new video somewhere,
and it's always the same process doing the same thing,
and it's exactly as I as I am shown a
few years ago, and it's just silence from from because
it is a hot potato, it really is, and it's
(56:22):
it's but the interesting thing is is that the formations
are also seen in religious religious imagery as well. Yeah,
Like you see that there's like a three points in
the sphere with Jesus holding it, and it's like, well,
(56:42):
this this stuff. As I said, if if the type
three spheres are responsible for bodyge activity, you can measure
it back to the fourth century.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
So this is or even further. I mean, yeah, you know,
these are things that Plato talked about without guinea in
the quantum physics. But the idea of three, six and
nine and twelve are significant in some kind of energy
system has always been something that's been talked about, right,
and I think, I mean, I really feel that you're
(57:16):
going to figure that out, that you're going to figure
out why the three need to be together and how
that works with some kind of energy system. So, I mean,
more to come, more interviews to come on this subject.
But this is really fascinating. It's definitely heating up. In
the end, You're and you're definitely getting universities and people
(57:37):
to really take what you have seriously. And I'm really
happy about that because it's been a long time coming.
We've been talking about this for a while and it
was a fascinating research and this only opens the floodgates
for you to get more data to add it into
your pattern system. And one of the things that I
always think is important. I know there's a lot of
journalists out there that only want to do they want
(57:58):
to really fight for that one angle that they're trying
to get across. But for me, I really think that
the more evidence that we can prove that there's a pattern,
whether it's paranormal or aliens or ancient civilizations or whatever,
I think that we have more grounds to actually speak
about something some kind of truth happening. And to me,
this is the most truth that I've heard about investigating
(58:22):
paranormal activity and aliens in a very long time. So
pleasure having you on the shower coming back, because there's
gonna be new stuff coming out, I know it definitely.
Speaker 3 (58:32):
I mean there's lots of things going on. I'm just
glad it's finally coming out.
Speaker 4 (58:38):
It's taking me years, yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (58:42):
And I'm glad that the monk visited you in the
park because you would never.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
Be on this journey so for some reason, pretty different.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, it's your journey, and most of the people I interview,
they wouldn't be involved in any of this unless something
would have happened to them, so it's pretty pretty miraculous.
All right, Patrick, thank you so much for joining us
on Cosmic Intervention, a sobering experience into the paranormal and
all the weird stuff, and I can't wait to see
(59:11):
you again back on the show.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
Okay, all right, bye bye, all.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Right, everybody, thank you so much for joining Cosmic Intervention,
and more episodes coming weekly monthly. Tune in, bring your
own alcohol b YOB, and uh we will see you
next time.
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