UAP Politics: Bills, Amendments and UFO Flying Lessons

With so much happening in the world of UAP and government disclosure, we thought we’d dive into a discussion about everything that’s happening. From bills & amendments to some fun tales of abductees getting ufo flying lessons, we’re covering all the latest news!

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Episode Transcript

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This week on Cosmic Cantina was somuch happening in the world of UAP and
government disclosure, we thought we'd diveinto a discussion about everything that's happening,
from bills and amendments to some funtales of abductees getting flying lessons in a
UFO. We're covering all the latestnews people, so crack open a chaota
of good times and join us foran all noon Cosmic Cantina. I'm your

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host, Melissa Tittle, and everyweek I go to my favorite bar,
Cosmic Cantina, and kickback with myco hosts, Josh Golumbski and Matt O'Connor.
We talk about aliens, bigfoot,ghosts, ancient cultures, and anything
from the unseen world that needs alittle illumination. Welcome to Cosmic Cantina.

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I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,and tonight I'm drinking whiskey and tea.
You know, hot toddy has alot of sugar in it, so I
just made tea and then I puta whiskey in it. Says welcome to
the ship show. That's right there, you go. Yeah, see what
happens with this. There's a newnew recording show here. Hopefully the video

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works and we can post this.Otherwise it's just audio this week, but
we'll get the folks. They'll getto see our beautiful faces. Well that's
a great drink, Melissa, fora cold winter night. Tonight, I'm
drinking beer. I don't know why, but I have another ghostfish. This
one's called kickstep I Pa, andit's the Nish. If you've been listening
to this podcast at all, youknow that I'm gluten free and this is

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a great gluten free brand. Notthat the shows about the gluten free brand,
but I just want to say,disclosure is nigh. This week has
been crazy for ufology, so I'mexcited to dig in tonight and give the
people some good updates and some opinionsand some definitely some speculations about this glorious
weekend Upology. What do you drinking? Okays? I pulled myself a little,
a little whiskey, little rye justto kind of warm up with the

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inside, give me a little tinglingin the scrot region and things to look
on a blast. It is halfmast. It's gonna be a rocking episode.
Jokes a lot two episodes ago.So I feel like we got to
bring it hard this episode, Soget ready. Yeah we've been too serious.

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Yeah, we got talking about AIand then everybody just really got rid
of all their sexual energy. Itwas so weird. So we're going to
bring it back episode not as awkward. You left us, Josh and it
was just me and Matt trying tohave sexual jokes and it was like so
awkward. We're like, yeah,it's like video. It was weird,

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just wasn't as fun. It wasn'tas fun. So everybody, if you
are listening to this, we willbe doing video now. And I know
you missed our beautiful faces and allof our expressions of stuff. We will
be on half our studios YouTube channeland so you can definitely hear us on

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what your favorite podcast, which probablylisten to right now. But you can
see our beautiful faces and watch uson YouTube. Half our Studios. We
will be there and we can't waitto see you. So it'll be fun.
We're starting this off. Yeah,this is out there all right,
let's talk about all the craziness that'shappening. So there's tons of people coming

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out saying a bunch of crap.Just five hours ago, News Nation published
lawmakers you're probably gonna be listening tous in a couple of days. But
they did a the House came outand was expressing their need to push it
forward to get more answers what's happeningwith the UAPs? And just five hours

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ago, News Nation published lawmakers orchestratedeffort to block UAP transparency. So this
seems to be what they're fighting upagainst. I think you guys are gonna
have lots of opinions, and Ihave lots of opinions about things. So
a couple of key things that NewsNation has come out saying, lawmakers said

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the intelligence community has stalled inquirees.Well we know that they they're calling for
more transparency and Congress should be ableto review taxpayer funded programs. I feel
like that should be across the board, don't you guys? I mean,
yeah, that should be a given. Like why is that even up for
debate? Would be a non humanintelligence here? And then we're like,

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but but you know, before weput any money towards this, we really
need to see where the taxpayers moneyis going. Really, Okay, okay,
all right, we're still we're stilldealing with human stuff, all right.
Something else that happened, and there'sand there's some a lot of insights
that happened at the Sole conference.And here's a couple of key key takeaways.
This is uh, this isn't theconference UFO Alien conference that Josh went

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to and got COVID and his thirdI got in the bag. He said,
yeah, a little bit his handsyand that damn conference. I did
get to go to the little Alienthough in Rachel, Nevada. So bucket
list checked people. It was prettycool. I shared pictures. Yeah,

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I'm amazing, awesome, awesome,bucket list, bucket list. COVID got
a little handsy. He's all good, he's a good But there's a real
conference people with. David Grush wasthere, Carl Nell was there. There's
some key takeaways. There's a bunchof other speakers that are really talking about,
Okay, what are we going tobe doing, What's what's happening?
How do we push this non humanintelligence UFO agenda out the door? So

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key takeaways from the Soul Conference.David Grush Carl Nell shared significant insights and
revelations about UFOs and celestial disclosures.They you know what we should pause to
say, Carl can you say youhave the information on who Carl Nell is.
I forget his exact title, buthe's super important. He's isn't he
taking over or the the He's afirsthand witness of the UFO program, isn't

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he? He's rumored to take itover, but he's connected. Oh,
go ahead, He's rumored to bethe guy who's going to take it over.
But I forget why he's so importantanyways, go on, and do
you mean to pull you up?He's like a really good advocate for the
whole thing behind the scenes, superimportant intelligence officer, So go on.
I'll look up his possession real quicklyagainst Jordan. I mean, what I

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do know about him is that he'sa first hand witness of the UFO program.
So that's really what they're pushing,right, that they really want the
exposure of this apparent UFO retrieval programthat's been behind the scenes for a long
time. I mean, this istough Grush talks about. But now I
guess is a firsthand witness of theUFO program from what I gathered. But

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I mean, Matt's going to findus some more information on that. So
apparently he's a former Deputy Chief ofStuff for Strategic Planning at the US Armory
Reserve. So militarily merit, mygod, military diligence. Got Okay,
some makes sense. Cool, he'sin. He's ready to spill the beans.

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All right. So a lot ofthis stuff we've kind of heard because
if anybody has been following the UFOdisclosure stuff has been happening the last six
months. David Grush has obviously talkedabout this, but this conference, they're
really pushing for the release of infoand non human intelligence has and how it
has the potential to unite humanity,regardless of the shock that it will that

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it will ensue once it's disclosed.So one of the big key takeaways besides
they're obviously pushing for disclosure and wantingwanting more openness in the government and saying,
hey, they definitely have the technologyand we need to know about it.
But one thing that they kept pushingwas that the potential to unite humanity

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over this this significant disclosure, andthat was really the focus of this whole
conference that just happened. And Ifind that that's very interesting because everything on
the Hill is batch you crazy,like that Tim Brushirt or brusher, whatever
the f his name is, Like, yeah, he looks Craig Gray.

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I saw a news conference with himand he was just like his eyes are
popping out of his head, LikeI love what What did he say?
I send you guys a quote fromthat today. What he he said during
a conference not long ago. Itwas let me find it real quick here

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list of all. How dare youguys? He's one of my favorite people.
He's pushing hard in Congress. Howdare you? Oh? Yeah,
he's the He's the main driving forcebehind this whole like UAP thing in Congress
right now. So great. Ijust love his like down south kind of
what do you oh? Here hesay? He said, uh, we're

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gonna get to the bottom of thisday, gummet. Beautiful, beautiful to
watch, But I just I alsowanted to jump in before people are like,
Kyle Kyle Nell is more important thanwhat I just explained. He's also
a colonel uh in the military,and he's an advisor to the Joint Chiefs

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of stuff as well. Yeah,that's what it was. Yeah, he's
a pretty big deal. So havingthis guy on board would be awesome actually,
and a firsthand witness to a UFOprogram. So I mean, he's
he's pretty high up there. Butyou know, I don't know about you
guys, but over the course ofthe last couple of years, the people

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that have taken over these these positionsto run the next UAP task Force whatever
it's called, they all have greatcredentials and they just get pummeled and then
they just appear. So it's like, I mean, seriously, think about
it. All the people that havecome forward and say we're taking over the

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task force so that they have credentials. They're not made up. You know,
some of the people on Cosmic Disclosuremight be made up, but you
know, on no COVID, Joshhasn't touch that one. But some of

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the but these people are legit.They just they just go through the ringer
for like a year, they lasttwo year, and then they go through
the ringer and then they get theyget pummeled by the UFO community for not
disclosing the disclosing the information or notdoing their job correctly, and then they
kind of get ruined by the establishmentthat put them there. I mean,
it's just it's it's a tough road, but I feel you, Josh,

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they're definitely pushing hard this week,and then of course they brought up my
favorite person, Paul Hellier, fromCanada's former Minister of Defense. I've seen
a lot of people posting, repostinghis quotes about he stands by his claim
that there's been four species visiting Earth. He's the former Ministry of Defense for

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Canada. He's not alive with usanymore, but definitely that came back up
and another government person who's who cameforward several years ago saying, look this
the government knows this exists. Soof course they're replaying that over and over
again. You know it just it'slike what are we building up to?
Like what happens? Like what dothey like can we just imagine this for

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a steven? So we have allthese people pushing and pushing and pushing like
taxpayer dollars go go go towards disclosure, disclosure, you know, and the
and then the corporation's HEIGHTI know,the government and the CIA working with the
corporations and the corporations are keeping itaway from us and the reverse engineering and
all this kind of stuff. Allright, So like let's just say they're

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like, all right, fine,we're gonna come out with it. How
do you it's gonna happen? Honestly, do you think they're just always in
the garage and then like show youa UFO and then it's going to be
on news Nation, Like what doyou how do you think it's really going
to roll out? I don't know. I mean there's still like huge pushback,
right, so there's still some ofthe top senators who were they Mike

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turn On, Mike Rodgers, MikeJohns, little mix, a little mix
in the Flike they all have greathair too, all four horsemen at the
ufl apocaly Like they all could bethe president of the Hairclub for Men's Society.
Send the old boys, I coulduse it. Now. These guys
are like capital douchebags in a lotof ways, but they also it's so
confusing, Matt, finish your thought. But I have some things to say

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about how this hall went down thisweek, and I'm so confused. Man,
it's so weird. You gotta becareful what you read on the internet.
Yeah. Yeah, So this hugepushback. They're trying to kill the
uh UAP Disclosure Act that will theSchuma thing that was pushed that is bipartisan
and but there's senators. It lookslike from both sides trying to push back

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and shut it down. And Iguess this is, you know, no
matter what side of the aisle youyou, you're on the money and politics
thing. That kind of corporations beingallowed to basically donate, which is basically
legalized bribery to these politicians, andthey basically just at their beck and call

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all the time shutting this down.Yeah. Well, well it's important to
note that not all that they paidoff, but the four guys trying to
stop it. They're the biggest campaigncontributors to all their campaigns are Lockheed,
Martin, Raytheon, and I thinkseveral other companies that are directing that rumor
not even rumored at this point.Lockey, we know it's you, you

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little bitches. Rathon, We're onyou, like we know not to take
fights with defense contractors for the loveof God, exactly exactly. We just
have microphones like like we don't can'tdo anything about this. Yeah, they're
holding it, and it's it's it'sdefinitely those corporations among others, and it's
just clear like I think somebody evendid homework and like the exact campaign campaign

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funds given to these guys and it'sliterally from those companies. So and they're
in the district. They have largescale like facilities, like with the guy
in Alabama or Tennessee, I forgethe uh, like there's actually a base
that's revers like a Ross Colhart Ibelieve said this that there's like a base
down there where they're trying to figureout missile technology. And one of the
reverse engineering programs is like trying tofigure out how to make the ultimate missile
from UFO technology, which right away, I'm like, this is why we

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need disclosure, Like what a shittything to do, Like of course they
did that, but like what aboutlike curing cancer or like helping pollution,
Like of course, it's like themost evil thing possible right away, how
do we make the ultimate weapon?Even though we already have nukes? These
fucks need to be stopped. They'redestroying the America, they're destroying the world.
That needs to come out, andit's so fucking crazy. I'm starting

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to lose my mind. Like Ifeel like I'm lashing out of people online
who like say anything like trolls,Like I can't take it anymore. This
is uh, this is it's insane. No, it's insane. I cannot
believe it. I still have friendswho think I'm a goofball for all this.
But I want to say a coupleof quick things about what went on
this week, unless you guys wantto jump into something. But the first
thing to say is, it's theSenate Armed Services and the House Intelligent Committee

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where this is coming from, whichmakes sense because they're directly tied to the
contractors and the people hiding the ship. And there was a couple of today.
There was a press conference that RepresentativeLuna put on, which was awesome
as pushback against these four UFO apocalypseguys who are trying to stop it.
And it was good to have MattGates, who's super controversial, Tim brushett
or Brushetta, whatever his name is. I do love that olive oyl okay,

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yeah, yeah, a little tomatoon top of there. But they
got him and Gates and Luna andtwo other like it's all Republicans. I
think might have been one Democrat here, those couple of Democrats as well.
Muscowitz is a Democrat and he's he'sreally been pushed for it as well.
So that's why I said, like, I love the whole publicans bipartisan thing

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that was going on is pretty good. Well, and there's a bunch of
others who are definitely four I meanboth sides definitely for pushing this thing through
and making it happen, which isgreat because you know. The other thing
is that I think Brishette mentioned thisa couple of times recently that the is

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it the Pentagon? I think thePentagon was like when they did the audit,
they keep failing to audit for likebillions of dollars just like just gone
no idea, or when probably thedefense contractor is doing this kind of shit
where they can't put it on thebooks, no one holds them to account.
They're just like, yeah, wewe don't know what happened to these
billions of dollars, so oh well, maybe next year and then the next

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year they failed again, and thenand then maybe it's gone to this stuff.
So that's the term of like theblack budget, right, Like one
of the one of the one ofthe things that that has come out is
is all the money that's for thelast ten years that I've been going to
UFO conferences and getting my third eyefinger banged. We're just gently rubbed,

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you know, it just sounds violent. Yes, they've been talking about the
black you know, people come forwardand they're like, this is the evidence
we have, this is we workedin the government, this is what.
So this is like an ongoing thing, and I think, like one of
uh, Like I'm always I'm sorryanytime something becomes so hot in news,

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like the first thing I do ispull back because I'm thinking, Okay,
what are they wanting us to feelright now? What are they trying to
distract us from doing. It doesn'tmean that the UFO UAP disclosure is not
happening, but when it comes intoo hot, I have to think to
myself, Okay, what is itthat they're not telling us? What is
it the where is it that theyare they're not alluding to what's happening.
And so one of the things thatcame up was obviously they want to know,

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how is the taxpayers about you beingspent? Okay, this is good,
right, this is all good.That's a good question to me.
To me, the bigger question is, and this is alarming, is that
every the government is saying that thecorporate the corporations are keeping this from US
and we need to know, right, But did the government, Yes,

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some of the government. Right,It's like some of the some of these
people knew in the UFO UAP thatare standing by and say we want answers.
They're saying, it's the corporations.The corporations are keeping this information and
we need to expose them and getthis information out there. But wasn't the
government in Cahoun's with those corporations tocreate those corporations so that they have these
other entities that we're working with them. Correct? Yes, yes, to

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a certain degree, though it probablygot out of control because think about it,
once the corporations had it and itwent on for fifty sixty years.
People change through Congress, but thecorporation stays the same. So I have
a feeling they're more in charge inthe actual fucking Defense Department working for the
US government. Right, So wehave a lot of mingling that Like how
like there's a lot of people thatare intertwined with all of that. It's

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not just a couple of people.It's not just one corporation or one person,
and they're just gonna be like,Okay, you know, there's too
much, Like if they really wereto open those floodgates, there'd be so
much government stuff that would be exposedthat they just couldn't do that. So,
like, how are they going tomove forward with this understanding between the
corporations and what the Congress and someof the people fighting for are trying to

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expose, Like, how are theygoing to do that? Considering the intertwining
is so so deep. It's almostas if we need something to happen again
that is like so big that theyhave to open in those doors because I
see like innercriting going on over andover and over again, and we're it's

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definitely picking up steam. But likewe I just don't see them unraveling those
relationships between those corporations in the governmentto then be like, yes, so
we have you know, all thistechnology that we've reverse engineered. I mean,
I guys, I just don't seethat happening. There's got to be
something bigger that I think has tohappen, like something so big that it's

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necessary for the for either the safetyof humans or for the UH for the
next step, like something big,because I just don't see it unraveling.
Even with all the pressure that thatthese four or five people are kind of
putting on the government. I don'tknow what you're just what you're scaring me?
Is it a fault? Are yousaying there could be a false flag

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attack to change the narrative disclosure tobe threat based and a coalesce and make
them seem like the good guys.Is that where you're kind of getting at
or or there needs to be abig actual that you can't right a home,
you know, or is it moreabout like a big UFO event has
to take place for everyone to justbe like, Okay, this is ridiculous,
Like if the Phoenix flights happened tomorrow, it'd be too many video cameras
to definitively prove it. So you'resaying it takes something like that. Maybe

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they get us all motivated to geteveryone connected. Yeah, something like that.
And then of course what will happenis if it is really real,
like the Phoenix flights, something else, it lands, whatever, somebody something
walks out waves, they're gonna belike it's false flakes. So half the
population is going to be thinking itis a false flag. Half of the
im gonna be like, oh mygod. But either way, something big

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will happen and they're going to wantto know, and it's gonna be it's
going to take over everyone's thought process. To be honest with you, I
think that's the only thing that's goingto release all the information that everybody's really
asking for and to understand it.It's got to be that. And if
it's going to come, it's goingto come from the NHI themselves. The
non humanities have to kind of makethat that big connection, but I think

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they want to. But that wasalso one of the big things that came
up, and I guess we cansort of talk about this a little bit
more that when Grush was on JoeThe Joe Rogan Show recently, it was
like a big deal and a coupleof big things came up. But one
of the things that he had mentionedthat sort of caught my eye that I
thought was a big deal was hewas talking about the reason why disclosures is

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getting such a pushback is not necessarilybecause of the oh my god, there's
aliens thing. I think for themartological shock. Yes, he mentioned that
exact phrase, theonological shot, butthe fact that there's so much corruption and
crime and stuff going on. Wehave video that we'll probably we're gonna we're

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gonna attempt to throw to all videohere people. We'll see how this goes.
But just the first part, weare throwing a video. We are
throwing to a video. Okay,let's do this, so this is here
we go. Cool. I talkedto some individuals that were an informal session
for a previous administration on should wedisclosed or not for a former president,
and really even one of the biggestimpasses to disclosure wasn't the ontological shock from

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a socio economic or theological perspective,it was, well, there's some white
collar crime. We violated the federalacquisition regulations. We sole sourced this work
to some big companies for decades.Contractors are going to litigate this to the
Supreme Court saying they lost billions ofprojected income because they didn't get the bid
on the work. And it's goingto be this like liability disaster for the

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US government. And the problem withthat is is like I understand that,
but like that's why you need tohave a truth and reconciliation process. It's
almost like the Truth and Reconciliation Missionand post apartheid South Africa. All Right,
so yeah, you get. Basically, what it's saying is it's not
so much the oh my god,another species of alien beings or whatever it

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is that we really got into somefucking deep doc ship to try and cover
this up and you know, thebackward deal just back room dealings and you
know, all the crimes, thestuff, and you know, keeping this
from the public and all that stuff. Is not only is the alien stuff
going to come out, but it'salso going to be that we did to

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cover it up and make a bunchof I'm talking about. That's why I'm
they're going to hold on to thatas long as they can until like something
big happens that will force that situationto crack open. I just yeah,
that's what Russell Colt was recently sayingtoo. What did you say it was
like some like terrible disclosure where it'sgoing to happen in a castrophic, catastrophic

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disclosure. Yeah, where it's goingto drop and a bunch of that.
Not no one's prepared for it becauseI haven't, Like Crushed was saying,
they haven't prepared for Okay, we'regoing to podon everyone the bullshit that happened
behind the scenes is but we needto get this stuff out. But if
that doesn't happen and it just drops, it's gonna be a big deal of

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like I don't know, like hugelitigations, you know, chaos, government
chaos. Yeah, yeah, thecatastrophic disclosure. We're getting disclosure either way
right now that I got bummed outthis week when the back and forth on
the UAPM language in the NDAA wasat risk, And now I don't really
care what happens because it is true, like it's happening no matter what.

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The genie's out of the bottle andmaybe it takes a big event eventually to
get full disclosure, but it's coming. Whether in the Congress needs to be
smart, and these contractors need tobe smart. They're gonna be like,
we got to control this for ourown good because the opposite will happen.
More whistlebladers will come forward. Wejust had three more. We're gonna get
to in a little minute about thisCIA program that was basically heading up the
crash retrieval program directly out of theCIA. More people are going to start

(25:55):
coming forward and they can't control it, and they're gonna start dropping information.
They're gonna get ahead of it.Man said, I'm happy either way.
I'm okay with catastrophic disclosure. Ithink we're gonna be fine. And I
would love to watch the chaos withpopcorn. And I'd love to see all
those motherfuckers who've been hiding it up, yeah decades, go down in a
flaming pile of shit. Go fuckyourself. They are terrible human beings who
are controlling this, and they shouldn'tbe doing it anymore. And they know
the right to hold back the truenature of reality. And I'm gonna start

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protesting if I have to on streetcorners. People join me. Are you
gonna wear pants or no pants?You? Yeah? The only way to
get no pants? With big dickenergy, it's gonna be amazing. Yeah.
Yeah. The just wants to watchthe world burn and see that those

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motherfuckers go down. But another partof me is like, Okay, it's
never gonna happen unless we kind oflike give those guys like a get out
of jail free cut or whatever itis. You know, I used to
think that. I used to thinkthat I think certain people. I think
certain people are gonna get pardons forsure, the people who didn't really know
what they're making decisions. But there'speople at the top that I think have

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to go down. I think theyhave to go down. I think that's
the only way forward because it's gonnatoo many people have pissed off. Too
many people died over the last sixtyyears, Like horrible things happened. I
used to be one hundred percent partof them. And you get it out
there because it's great for humanity,But we can't ever allow anyone in the
history of the world to ever coverup a secret that big ever again.
And someone needs to pay the fuckingprice, purely, purely for the fact

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though making money and had uh youknow, omnipotent power. Yeah, and
no other reason, like just likecutting off amazing technologies and whatever else from
the rest of the population because yeah, exactly, we can make a ship
ton of money and then we cando whatever the fuck we want. Is
like that's exactly the right, shYeah, that's that is what I would

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I'd fight for that. I meanpeople keeping government secrets, okay, but
the fact that if that technology couldbe using to have energy for everybody to
create to get rid of cancer,Like you said, do you know what
I mean, like any of that, Like yes, like what are we
doing? Like it almost feels likewe're just living on this planet and we're
still confused on how to like createenergy. You know, we're just doing

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things like digging up cold crap.You know, it's just ridiculous. Yeah,
we're still using dinosaur bones basically fossilfuels. Yeahones, it's like,
yeah, it's still it's still likethe the the idea of like making you
know, things move engines is likea small explosion that pushes something, and

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it's like, really, we haveelectric cars and stuff now, but you
know, we're getting there. Iguess well, I wanted to just comment
quickly on some of the inside mostif you have a thought, cut me
off, But I just wanted todo give a little update in the inside
baseball that happened this week that Ithink is interesting related to this this bill
that came out, And what Ifound fascinating was it's already getting bipartisan.

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It's already getting partisan. Sorry,like everyone's claiming it's it's bipartisan. Everyone's
happy, but it's already that theRepublicans are basically shitting all over the Schumer
bill, the sixty seven page gapamendment. They're like, no, it's
stupid. It's like the JFK Act. They're not gonna be able to release
anything for a long time. There'sgonna be a board that controls what we
see. It's gonna be more ofthe same. It's terrible. And then
Brushetta, Tim Brushette, he cameout with like a short team page,

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like ridiculous, like short like amendmentthat he wanted to change that is equally
bad in a different way. Andthen they're both fighting. But then if
you actually look at what they're saying, you have a feeling that these Republicans
didn't even read the sixty seven pages. Because I listened to after the live
conference, this guy named Nick Iforget his last name, broke down like,
actually, no, the Schumer billis awesome and here's why, and
everything they're worried about is not true. So it's just like chaos already,

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Like people are just fighting already,they don't really know what they're talking about.
They're trying to change things. It'salready like shitting on the Democrats for
no reason. And then and probablyvice versa. I'm definitely being bipartisan here.
I don't care. I just wantit out, but I'm already seeing
the part isn't happening? Is wait, so this is an issue in the
next election too. That's when you'regoing to see the partisan switch the big

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time. Like I'm just ready forthat that right now it's like unicorns and
high fives, but it is coming. So this week is back and forth
on that, and right now wedon't know that throw a spanner in the
works of the next election, doyou imagine? Holy shit? Yeah,
no, I definitely think that's inthe works. That's why I'm always like
when I see, you know,government people coming forward and fighting for disclosure
of aliens and like, oh God, is this a political move or they

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really care? Right? But Ithink that But Josh, that is exactly
what I'm talking about. They're juststalling shit like that because they actually nobody
really wants all that stuff to comeout. I mean, I I did
this show called After Contact with NickPope, and I was actually really surprised
that people really didn't want to watchthe show because everyone's still caught up in

(30:52):
the drama of it not being real. And in that show, we really
talk about it. Okay, it'sreal. We're starting the episode. What
we do with all the laws,like how do you define human versus non
human? What do you do withall the people that have been abducted?
Yeah kind of law they ensue government. Yeah, you know, but like
there were a lot of people thatdidn't want to watch that because they're like,
oh, this is stupid, andlike, you know, it's not

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the drama. But I think theseare things that we really need to start
talking about. We the people haveto be ahead of the game further than
the government. Okay, they don'twant to air their dirty laundry, but
like what if we really start tothink about those policies ahead of time,
knowing that they're going to come out. Yeah, no, I agree with
you. That's what's coming though.That's why they're protecting it because they don't
want to answer the question, whatare we going to do about all the
people that get abducted, that probablyget abducted because they stigned in agreement with

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some race or something shit like that, Like, what course they should sue
every single person who got abduct Theyshould sue even the ones that had a
great experience and transform their lives.Like that's fucking crazy, and that actually
came up on it. It wasagainst brought that up recently. He literally
was on this four minute ramp beforehe had Tim Bouschett on Chet's name,
and it was kind of compelling,like say what you want about Tuckery's polarizing

(31:59):
figure about half the country hates him. But like he went at like what
he said basically was like he broughtthat up, like what are the agreements
going on? What are the races? Like he was blatantly asking, like
basically the American public and the government, like it's we're on the precipice,
like disclosure is nigh. And Iagree that, Like people get caught up
in the nuts and bolts. Icall this nuts and bolts. What's happening
right now is nuts and bolts drama, Like nothing interesting is actually being said.

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It's just like the bill and theamendment and he said this and he's
put by that, and you getcaught up in it. But I want
to big questions. I want totalk about intergalactic trade. I want to
talk about the aduction experience. Iwant to talk about they trade there all
the time, right, cent RandyKramer, you know all this is about
beer, you know, I meanall these craft beer places have popped up

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aut of nowhere in the last tenyears, because I mean, I'm putting
it together. You guys, Iknow this. You guys haven't figured this
out, but you know, thanksto Randy Kramer. Yeah, Randy,
right now we're disclosing the big fairon this show of people like an IPA

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or I really prefer like those lightEuropean beers that like bottled Yeah, you
know, I like that. Anyway, back to our serious show. Well
we should talk about well, Idon't know, you want to go to
the next post, but we haven'ttalked about the CIA secret office that apparently
has been controlling Did you want totalk about this is a big one.

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Yeah, yeah, let's do this. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about
this. So I don't have thenewspaper news article, but that's definitely something
that news nation has been A NewsNationhas been all over this as well as
box but they were. But there'sdefinitely a secret office where the CIA has
been controlling UFO retrievals, correct,guys, Yeah, yeah, they said

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apparently since two thousand and three.It's called the o g A, the
Office of Global Access. It's withinthe Science and Technology wing of the CIA,
and that makes sense. One ofthe things it does is worldwide collection
capability, so they'd be obviously avery fit. Isn't that an interesting year,
because it wasn't that when the GoFast and the gimbal that they recorded

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on a Navy ship in two thousandand four. It's pretty close timing.
Yeah, it's pretty close timing.I think they literally opened up their office
the year before there was an incidentthat was caught on, or maybe they
just gave a previous group of peoplewho are operating doing the same sort of
stuff. They gave it an actualname, you know. Yeah, obviously

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something existed before, but this onehas like a paper trail. This came
from three whistleblowers who are remaining anonymousfor now, and apparently they would recover
craft. The military would do it, and this department would coordinate, and
then they give the craft to thesecorporations like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. And
there's at least discorrelated with David Rush. He says at least nine craft.
I think Rush did nine or tenor kind of like inferred that. But

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then and some are completely intact,some are found, some have crashed,
and usually it's JSOCK, which islike the President's personal special Forces unit that
they can just pick up the phoneand do anything in the world real quick.
Kind of runs this with the SealedTeam Special Forces does it, which
is interesting. So the one thingI did here though from I think it
was Colhart again too, was itmight be a lot more than ninecraft.

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It could be hundreds, Like apparentlythis goes on all the time, and
it did Dinecraft and might not betrue. Yeah, it could be like
scores. How about scores? Thatsounds vague, but a lot like hundreds
is a big But like think aboutit, we go off for several We
know this shit's happening all the time, right, we know craft are around
us all the time based off theevidence coming forward, I won't go into
it, so it wouldn't surprise meif they had a couple hundred crafts sitting

(35:44):
around. And that's the other thing. You can't hide this any longer,
Like that's crazy. Just think abouthow how like the horse plan as I
have on us, we don't eventhink about it's just hundreds of craft,
Like, holy cow, there's gonnabe people out there who saw them outside
of the government, you know,But the CIA Secret Office is just more,
the more whistleblowers coming forward. Nowyou know, they're maining anonymous for
now, but this is going tokeep happening and keep happening, and then
we're going to get catastrophic disclosure.Everyone's going to freak out because they're not

(36:07):
going to know what's the truth anymore, especially with deep fakes on the Internet
and everything. So I think Congressneeds to get their asking there. We're
at a point where things are pickingup technologically wise for humans everywhere right We
are expanding and soon we will beout in the space. So even if
I'm someone who doesn't believe in allthis disclosure business, I'm not going to

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the conferences in the seminars and I'mnot following it verbatim. At some point
we're going to meet something. Imean, they just they just NASA and
I think Scientific American just published anarticle saying, Hey, we're looking for
all these biological alien life forms andother planets. But the thing is that
there's things living on our planet rightnow that they've discovered that don't even function

(36:54):
biologically with the same amount of likeamino acids and everything like that. Everything
in the planet it operates in it'sa completely different DNA RNA functioning species on
our planet. And just think ofthat for a second, Like, it
doesn't even it doesn't even function thesame. So the whole thing is like

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we're looking for something like us outthere that we're totally missing the mark on
our own planet. We've discovered somethingthat completely doesn't even operate with the same
code that everything does on the planet. How does that thing exist? It's
as if, you know, youknow the article is talking about, it's
as if it's tapping into something else. So here this is going to happen.

(37:38):
Eventually, We're going to run intosomething alien like, right, So
what are we going to do aboutit? There's like no conversations about it.
There's just like the bickering back andforth of all the disclosure. I
mean, if I was a scientist, it's just it's just it just needs
it just needs to there just needsto be a conversation with the whole American

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public, the whole world about Okay, so what happens if this does happen,
what are we going to do aboutHow do we feel about it?
How are we going to move forwardas a human species? I don't know.
I just no, you're right ontrack. Is I thank you for
saying that, because that's the problemright now, No one's going that's the
interesting conversation, right we're caught upin the bullshit moment. But that's what

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we need to talk about. Whatdoes that mean? Because it's not going
to be something for another planet.What's that saying? It's like there's no
out there out there, It's allhere. And given this book, when
I was reading about UFO sky pilotslike training to fly UFOs, A lot
of the why of why they're doingit is to transport humans to a parallel
Earth and another reality for whatever reason, for spiritual growth or just because this

(38:45):
planet's going to fail. So youget into just bigger questions about life,
like who are they? Why arethere other dimensions? They're not coming from
another planet, They're coming from ourown planet in a different dimension. How's
it connected to the nature of theriver? How is it connected to the
origins of humans? There's so manymore interesting questions should be asking right now,
not like, well, the UAPammends has too many words and it

(39:07):
reminds me of another amendment and thereforeI want to switch it. And then
everyone in UFO Twitter, like thesedudes, like I love UFO Twitter,
but I just want to take ashot on it for a second, Like
they're so guessed with fucking like thelittle facts if they're right or wrong.
He said this, No, hesaid that three interviews ago. It was
this, and I'll nail gets across because he's fucking wrong and I don't
know what he said. He's aliar. Like it's like, so it's
so like low brain, low intelligence, not fun at all. Depressed.

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Emore is depressing. I'm in thisthe bigger questions in life. I'm not
in it. Like I already knowit's real. I already know the government's
hiding shit. I've known that sincethe nineties. I mean you also X
files. So I appreciate what you'resaying there, mostly because like that's where
the conversations that go, like whatwe're stuck like in this weird like is
it real? Still like everyone's wepassed it. Most people are still like

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what do you mean it's real?No one said it's real? What do
you mean? No one said it'sfucking real. There was like a news
report that came out of some likefluff fucking talk show where they basically use
the X file theme song, cutup talker calls in and grush and made
them look like fools. And thenone woman said this, She said,
the thing that like is the copyand paste argument from the internet. That
fucking drives me so crazy. Shewas like, we got more, we
got important things on Earth we gotto deal with. Why don't we have

(40:13):
to worry about UFOs? And Ijust wanted to reach through the camera and
strangle everyone upset, and you like, it's like one, you're treading on
one thing means we don't care aboutanything else anymore. Like what that's fucking
stupid. It's like if I donateto an animal shelter and people are like,
whoa, you don't like cancer anymore? Okay, let's we'll just care

(40:34):
about animals now. I mean,I don't know who does like cancer,
but you know, yeah, wellI know I agree. It's it's like
yeah, but but you know,here's the other thing I was just.
I was just I just did aninterview about you know, just the general
and topic, like, you know, what do you think is happening in
the uap UFO world. And oneof the things that I know is boring

(40:57):
and I know this community hates theydon't want to talk about. Is that
it's not because I'm somebody who thinksthat everybody should hold hands and sing kumbay
and get along and all that stuff. But thinking I am saying, this
issue, if we are alone ornot, is a big human problem.
And it's a big human problem becauseit affects everybody, and it affects the

(41:21):
way that we believe what we believein. It affects how we're going to
live our lives, and it isjust as big as some of these other
things. It's part of the biggerconcept of who we are in the universe.
I mean, I think that theproblem with these silos in that's in
our industry, whether it's aliens ormeditation or channeling, you know, Palladians

(41:43):
or whatever, is that they're justthey're by themselves with a message. But
it's all part of the big thing, which is who are we in this
what's more important? Structure? What'smore important? Is a question? And
of course the other thing is wecan as a government in society, we
can focus on multiple thing. SoI hate that whole thing of like the
things we got to focus on,but now we can focus on twelve different

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things, and the UFO thing literallyconnects to everything the technology, how to
affect society, religion origins, allthe places that every book, major problem
in the world right now, inthe world now. Yeah, yeah,
and that it drives me crazy.That's what David Grush was saying. That's
what that's that's what the Big SoulConference their big takeaway was that as much
as this is a big infighting andthat we want disclosure, it's it's potential

(42:28):
to unite humanity as one is actuallymore probable and interesting to ponder than all
the other stuff that, like,you know, we're talking about back and
forth career and I think and Ithink also it's a bit of a distraction,
like if you're one of these wonderfulnerds, we love everybody here,
but if you're into like the factchecking and all that, we need those

(42:51):
people. So you know, we'rehappy you're doing it and you're calling people
out and doing all that stuff.But at the end of the day,
we got to think bigger beyond that, and so the bickering in between each
other of who's right or wrong,and we got to move past that.
You know, Like I always saythis but Congress, Washington, d C,
any government structure, Hollywood, sameshit. They're only selling what you're

(43:12):
buying. So if you're if you'rebuying up everything and their time of what
you're they're listening to, then they'rein. They're going to spend all hete
and fear so so exactly drama.Drama. Yeah, yeah, can we
get postive for just a little bit. I know, Josh, you've been
reading some funky, funky stuff inthe UFO field, and I want to

(43:37):
get away from UAPs and fucking Congressand and uh amendments and all that shit
and just talk about some wild UFOshit, just just to finish this off.
Yeah, let's do it. Let'stalk about something that could come to
light in the next ten years.Why are certain people, and a lot
of them now remembering learning how tofly a Ufoh it's a real thing.

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We brought this up a little bitin the last podcast to kind of go
along with my whole THETA research.But I was reading a book called UFO
Sky Pilots by Grant Cameron, andit's an awesome book because it goes into
all these people who are flying UFOsand it's remarkably eerie how similar their stories
are. All the common things are. It's connecting to the ship through consciousness

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and flying and being anywhere you wantalmost instantaneously using thought alone, connecting in
a deep state, the way yousit in the way you operate the ship
in front of a panel where youdon't really touch it, but sometimes they
let you touch it to think.That's like how it works at first,
but then you get trained. There'salways a voice behind you kind of helping
you. There's all these similarities thathappen to all the same people. There's
one story I just wanted to quicklygo over that's interesting. It's a guy

(44:45):
named Ron Johnson. No, that'snot a pseudonym for a portn Star.
It's a guy from Utah, RonJohnson, big Rod, big Ron I
call him. He's a cool experienceprofession I know why the aliens like them
even they like it big so ohman, those doctorians. So uh,

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what is what is Ron's stories?He's there. He's a lifetime experiencer who's
who's been healed like a lot ofpeople and has had ship experiences. A
lot of his encounters are the brownentity and more of a darker skinned entity,
little kind of reminds me maybe anebon or kind of like the thing
you saw in the movie Fire inthe Sky. So that's not what the
guy actually saw on Fire in theSky. Just to be clear, that's

(45:29):
not what he'sa if you read thestories, that's not what he saw.
That movie pisses me off for somereason. But I also love But back
to Ron Johnson, so from bornhebdot com. So this is what he
remember. He remembers like being inthe ship and then being a lot more
people with him. And the reasonwhy I like the stories because he has
a why are they doing it?Why are they're creating these people? Yeah,
he's right, it's group sex.He just has all these people waiting

(45:50):
for him. Ron's you know,Ron has a lot of a lot of
loads to get out. So he'son the ship all these people, and
he did in a confidence Sorry,sorry you going. Yeah, this is
good. We're uping our dick jokes. This is great. So Ron,
actually, before I get into astory at a conference, I love this
stuff. I love one of myfavorite things in upologies when an experience on

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a ship recognizes someone in real lifethere was also on a ship with him.
I think that's like the most tellingshit. And someone did that to
him on a ship that he wasflying and was like, I saw you
twice two times you were flying.It's amazing that you get to do that.
And I just sit there for somereason with my head down. So,
okay, what did Ron learn?This is what Ron learns. So
I'm not gonna go with the detailsof all like flying the ship. It's
cool and you should read the bookbecause it goes into the details of similarities.

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But this is what he said whenhe asked the entity who likes to
get really close to his face andlike give him information. That's a thing.
So if you ever producted, theylove to get like this close to
you and like really invade your personalspace. I have a friend like that
when he gets drunk. He doesn'tit. He's just like right there and
talking to me. I love thatthose people just a little kiss. This
is our package checked smells like mushrooms. So Ronnie, this is what he

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said. He asked of being Atone point, He's like, what am
I doing? Why am I learningto fly this? What kind of crazy
experience is this? And the beingstated he said he's quote he stated,
you and thousands of others like youwould be transporting people to another dimensional Earth.
Quote later on, these people areadvancing to a stage in their life
where they need to advance spiritually.They can't do it on this Earth with

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all the rhetoric and you know,the wars and stuff. So apparently for
when I gather from the entities,these other dimensional Earth, this other dimensional
Earth is supposed to be a paradise, no wars, no governments, nothing,
It's just supposed to be like akind of utopia. Though there's no
take me there. So I've alsoheard I'm working with I'm working with someone,
an experiencer who I'm covering a storysooner in a documentary. But one

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thing that's not in there. Hedoes have a vague memory of flying a
ship as well, But his storyis more David Jacobs in a sense,
like some sort of light hits theplanet, some sort of big light is
moving towards the planet, and thenthey're all pointing at it and they have
to get out of there. It'svery day of Jacobs. I've also heard
that same thing channeled and also throughWendy Kennedy, and not Wendy Kennedy.
She did say twenty six. Twentysix is gonna be open contact with several

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other people have mentioned like a biglight, a big event, there's a
remote viewing group, there's something somethingbig is about to happen. Just wrapping
up Ron Johnson, he is oneof many people in this book who has
a very similar experience. But thewhy is always the most fascinating part for
me is like why are they doingit? And something like that I just
read to you. Ten years ago, I'd be like, shut up,
they're from a planet. This person'scrazy. But now with the inter dimensional

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aspect of all this being clearly theanswer, I mean that clearly has to
be the answer. This stuff makessense. And maybe maybe there's multiple earths
and you get like transported around dependingon what you need, Like I don't
know, man, take me toutopia, family and friends. That kind
of lines up, and I knowyou don't fully buy into the uh.
The David Jacobs Less than Love andLight situation now also the same deal.

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They both talk about not so muchpeople flying ships, but that may come
into it if I remember correctly,but they talk about people at least being
taught something or trained in some wayenable to uh, you know, help
others other humans get on board aship or or get out of you know,

(49:27):
it's always some sort of like evacuationor just like corralling a bunch of
people into an area. Yeah,so that that kind of freaks me out.
That does sort of speak to somethingcoming that is going to be a
big deal. Just last weekend therewas there was a huge solar flare that

(49:47):
they recorded that hit the planet.Really yeah, like we had I mean,
my dad, my dad's my dadreads everything, so he's like,
I was like, huge soul asolar wave hitting the planet in like four
hours, and like what the fuckdo we do? But then like,

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I mean, but but it hitthe planet. It's like, I don't
know, six in the morning,big fear of the what is it,
the the Carrington event, the bigsort of solar flare that releases basically an
mp mph MP three e m PYeah, basically fries all electrical circuits and

(50:36):
stuff. But yeah, at thesame time, within the past, you
know, many decades we've kind ofbeen preparing for stuff like that, and
you know, insulating electrical things,and you know it wouldn't be as big
of a deal I think as peopleare making it to be. I mean,
it just depends how big it is, right, So, uh,

(50:59):
you know NASA has been monitoring theSun for quite some time for this reason.
I mean they're not going to getThey're gonna get a little bit of
leeway of like, Okay, thisis happening in this amount of hours.
But yeah, it's with some shipfor sure. Yeah. So I mean
it's very well the end of thoughtquick about the ship stuff, like why
they're doing It's very like you justlook at old stories like Noah's Arc,

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where a bunch of shit gets onan arc, survives the flood and comes
back down. So that's pretty scary. Maybe everyone's learning to fly ships to
people somewhere quickly while the planet getswiped out, reset and then repopulated.
You can go dark with it.But again, like everything coming out from
like Lakski and other people connected islike there's nothing to fear, Like I
just I just in my heart knowthat's not I just maybe maybe this generation

(51:44):
of Noah's work, we're gonna bewith that pulling up for twenty four hours,
and I don't know what to dowith myself. You have nothing to
want to tell me. Yeah,he's really good at driving the know,
I mean, all right there,I'm all set. We're fine, yeah,

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