June 30, 2023 • 57 mins
We’re down one ranting New-Englander, but that won’t stop us from plowing ahead with the latest happening in UAP land!
I interview Nick Pope to get his thoughts on the whistleblower David Grusch and his story. Then, Matt and I go on to discuss some interesting new happenings — including official Canadian documents and the possible intentions of these other-worldly travelers…
So grab your beverage of choice and join us… at the cosmic cantina.
I interview Nick Pope to get his thoughts on the whistleblower David Grusch and his story. Then, Matt and I go on to discuss some interesting new happenings — including official Canadian documents and the possible intentions of these other-worldly travelers…
So grab your beverage of choice and join us… at the cosmic cantina.
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This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'redown one ranting new Englander, but that
will not stop us from plowing aheadwith the latest happening in uap Land.
I interviewed Nick Pope to get histhoughts on the whistleblower, David Grush and
his story. Then Matt and Igo on to discuss some interesting new happenings,
including official Canadian documents and possible intentionsof these other worldly beings. So
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grab your beverage of choice and joinus for an all new Cosmic Cantina.
I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,and every week I go to my favorite
bar, Cosmic Cantina, and kickback with my co host Josh Golambuski and
Matt O'Connor. We talk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,
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and anything from the unseen world thatneeds a little illumination. Welcome to Cosmic
Cantina. I'm your host, MelissaTittle, and Tonight I am drinking a
whole bottle of so Many on Blanc, a specific brand that my fiance decided
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to order a case of, andI'm five of them deep. It's gonna
be a good show. Five Deep. Tonight show it, well, not
tonight over the course of this week, because it's been pretty okay, it
sounds a little bit more responsible.Look, I'm I got myself a glass
of the brown stuff, a littlewhiskey on this set out and us it's
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feeling pretty good, awesome, AndI'm gonna speak for Josh. He's not
here. I know this is soweird. It's really weird phrase too,
because you know, we just reallydon't Matt and I just don't really want
to talk to each other because wejust need that one person that's just crazy
enough to just get us all going. But but Josh is taking care of
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some personal things. He's probably drinkingalone. Um, so it's just us
to know, right, But wehave a very exciting show. We might
Intererjet trying to be Josh. Ihope you don't mind. Yeah, yep,
So Josh is at for I guessthe next few shows, we'll see
how he goes. Uh, Butyou know, it's just Joe me Melissa.
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We'll see what happens. We're gonnawe're gonna bring the bring the excitement.
We don't have the crazy Josh rants. I know, I know we're
gonna have to look back again.Yeah, all right, do your your
favorite Josh impression. Oh man,I can't talk that fast. That's like
a level of that's a level ofrantiness that I just don't have within my
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system. I know, I wasn'tborn on the East Coast. I can't
do it. I'm more of aWest Coast girl. Shit right, Okay,
we gotta get to the show.All right, Sorry, Josh is
in here, but we'll try tostick in some Josh things every now and
then. One thing, yeah,yeah, sor let's talk about some UFO
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stuff, yes, because that hasbeen hot. And look, we're totally
late on dropping the show, soI apologize. Um, we did that
live, and we told you wehad a Nick Pope interview, and we
do um, and Nick Pope hasbeen doing a lot of interviews, and
um, you know, I justthought this was a really interesting take.
You know, we only do Ionly do an interview that's really fast,
fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, justkind of get to like, okay,
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what's going on? And he kindof broke it down for Look, however
you think about or whatever whatever opinionsyou have about Gersh. He broke it
down to why he's believable and twowhy he might not be believable. So
this is really interesting because he doeshave some good points here on what to
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believe when you're when you're listening tothe interviews with Gersh and all the other
people commenting. So here you go, here's a Nick Pope interview. Drop
it. Nick, Thanks for joiningus. This is a pretty serious matter.
I know that you have been doinga million interviews with different with News
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Nation and other outlets, and soI really appreciate your time on this.
What is your take on this whistleblower? Is this for real? Is this
really happening? Well, yes,this is a real bombshell revelation. And
I've spoken personally this week to threeretired intelligence community personnel who have personal knowledge
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of David grush. So and ofcourse the reporters who who broke this story,
whether it's Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthalwho who first wrote it up,
or whether it's the team at theDebrief who first published it, or whether
it's the folks at News Nation whoare now running with it. A lot
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of people have done their due diligenceon this. David brush is absolutely who
he says he is. He didexactly what he said he did it in
relation to things like serving on theUAP Task Force. Now by his own
admission, of course, he's thefirst one to say, look, I
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did not see this debris or thesecraft myself. But you know, I
use an analogy about that. Alot of people in nuclear policy, for
example, within government handle nuclear policydoesn't mean they've ever touched or seen a
nuclear weapon, but none of uswould say that means a nuclear weapons program
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doesn't exist. So this is hugenews, and it's not by the way
people being skeptical about this. It'snot a single source story. There are
a number of people, both onand off the record, who have corroborated
not just who he is, butsome of the information he's coming forward with.
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And you're when you say he,you're saying the whistleblower, you're saying
this this guy is legit. Theway that he came out with this story
is legit. That's what you're referringto. Yes, absolutely, David Grash
served as a member of the UAPTask Force, which, of course within
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the US government, had the leadon this. Before the creation of ARROW,
he sat within the National Geospatial IntelligenceAgency and also of course everyone moves
around a lot in the intelligence community, but also the NRO, the National
Reconnaissance Office, and there are alot of things going on in relation to
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this. He has an active complaintwith the Intelligence Community Inspector General, and
also, of course, in literallythe last day or two, it was
announced that the House Oversight Committee willbe having a hearing on this. So
Congress is engaged. Congress quite rightly, as you would expect, is trying
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to validate this information and to seewhether and this was the substance or certainly
part of Dave's complaint, see whetherit's true that obstacles were put in the
path of Congress to present to preventthem from undertaking their their lawful and constitutional
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oversight of UAP. And one ofDavid Grush's points is that he witnessed what
he says was a deliberate and wilfulattempt to mislead Congress and to hide from
them this crash retrieval program. Thatis crazy, you know, just the
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idea of a crash retrieval program.First of all, everyone has been talking
about this since the fifties, andit just sounds crazy, right that there
a retrieval program which means there's somethingto retrieve, which means that they have
something in a possession. What doyou think of that? I mean,
I mean, we're everyone's trying tovalidate the whistleblower right now, but what
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about the actual idea that there isa retrieval program. Yeah, I mean
it's staggering. It's it's like almostand what's happening on social media, but
also now in the mainstream media isvery interesting because you've got some journalists,
and journalists are kind of in avery difficult position on this that pitching their
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bets a little because, on theone hand, they don't want to miss
the biggest story of all time.And let's be clear, this would be
the biggest story of all time,so they can't ignore it, but neither
do they want to be too credulouson it in case it all blows up
in our faces a few few daysor weeks or months downstream. So at
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the moment, a lot of peopleare taking sort of let's wait and see
attitude on this. But you're right, I mean, it's it's not just
let's evaluate the whistleblower, it's let'sevaluate the information. And as you say,
if there's a crash retrieval program.This is staggering. And yeah,
of course stories like this have beenaround for decades, but traditionally this sort
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of thing just crops up either anonymouslyon various conspiracy blogs and forums or from
people on the fringes of this whoyou might say, well, you know,
is this person really in a positionto know? But never before has
it come up from somebody who wasat the heart of the military and the
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intelligence community effort to understand the UAPsituation. So this is a verifiable insider.
Now, with my skeptical hat on, there are a couple of possibilities,
and of course, you know,let's let's run through the options.
Option number one being really cynical.Is that for some reason or the other,
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this this is completely fabricated, youknow, and people do make things
up. Now, as as arider to that, I would say,
this person has made an on therecord statement to various elements of Congress and
to the intelligence community inspector general.If you do that sort of thing and
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knowingly make a false statement, youare liable for a fairly hefty fine and
or jail prison. So I think, of course it's possible. Yeah,
but it's probably not very likely.There is another option, which is that
he has picked this up from peoplein the system, but for some reason
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he has either been deliberately fed falseinformation or he's he's segue between what he
knows and what he thinks and whathe believes. But again, this guy
was an intelligence community officer, andthose people are pretty good. They know
when they move from what they knowto what they think. One option is
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that this is a stile and thatthere's an element in the US intelligence community
that is trying to convince Congress andmaybe the media, and through the media,
perhaps an adversary trying to convince themthat we do have extraterrestrial technology when
in fact we don't. And ofcourse the other option is that there's a
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believer faction that suspects this is truebut doesn't have access and is trying to
blow everything open by putting a lotof pressure on those who they do believe
are the gatekeepers to the secret.And the final option is that it's all
true. So there's a lot there'sit's in one sense it's a fairly narrowed
by end of possibilities, but itcovers a lot of territory. Well,
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this is an ongoing story, andI think the most important thing is that
we keep an open mind. Ithink what happens in a lot of these
stories, and what a lot ofthe other new mainstream news outlets are doing,
as you said, is that they'rekeeping it kind of closed. They
don't want this to blow up intheir face. I mean, I was
surprised to hear that, hear thatNew York Times was waiting they wanted to
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have more sources when they kind ofblew that UAP story out of the water
several years ago. So I thinkthat we've spend so much time analyzing the
whistleblower, and I think what weneed to ask is, Okay, if
this is true, what does thismean? Like that means that something has
been going on for twenty thirty,forty fifty, who knows how long,
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and that we actually have evidence ofthat, and that is mind blowing.
And I feel like we're not eventhere yet. We're still talking about is
the whistleblower credible? Well, itraises your point, raises a couple of
interesting questions. I mean, firstly, on the New York Times, I
should say that when you look backto that twenty seventeen story, which which
broke in December. People should bearin mind that that story had been offered
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around for months. I think itwas in the summer that a number of
people approached both The Times, ThePost, and Politico, and they did
have to do their due diligence andit did take several months. So I
do have some sympathy for the mediathere, and it should be said.
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I mean, I think Leslie andRalph said in relation to this that they
had offered it to the David Grushstory I'm talking about now. They'd offered
that to The Times, The Post, The Hill, and Politico, all
of which had either past or neededmore time on it. But then they
heard through other sources that other peoplehad the story and we're going to run
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with it. So they couldn't waitany longer and brought things forward. And
I understand that, but you're rightthe implications that this would be staggering.
And here's an interesting point. Ithink if one of the reasons for secrecy
is that there's technology here that couldbe weaponized and we don't want that getting
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to an adversary like China or Russia, I get that, but none of
that means that the US government couldn'tsay at one level, look, yeah,
there is a non human intelligence andat some level it's interacting with us.
That shouldn't be classified. Could youcould take the tech and say,
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look, we're not going to givedetails of that because because it could be
weaponized. But in and of itself, there should be nothing classified about the
presence of an human intelligence unless thereis some great and I've used this phrase
before, but I'll use it again, use it deliberately, some secret too
terrible to be told about all thisthat really would at a societal level cause
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such such a sort of ontological shot, whatever you want to call it,
that that the whole house of cardswould come crashing down. And that's that's
worrying. And I remember an interviewlou Alizondo gave some time ago where somebody
said, if if people knew thetruth about this, in one word,
what should their mood be? Andhis answer was somber. M that's uh.
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I don't know if that's scary orit's profound. It's profound, but
whether it's it's something to fear orsomething to embrace. If if this is
real and this has been discovered andthey are going to disclose it and this
is the beginning. It will beprofound because there is more to our existence
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than we thought there was, andthat is the next level of humanity.
In my opinion, it could bringus great joy, or it could bring
us the worst thing in the world. That is true, and that is
to be figured out. Thank you, Nick so much for your time.
And this is an ongoing story,so if I hope to have you back,
I'm sure there'll be many updates.And take care of yourself. Thanks.
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Melissa's good to talk about this.And as you say this one,
I mean Dave is one of nearlytwo dozen whistleblowers who have come forward.
Some have come to Arrows, somehave come to Congress, So there are
It's going to be a lot moreto this story, both both Dave Grush's
story and others in the days,weeks, and months to come. We'll
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talk again, I'm sure. Definitelyhave a good night you two. I'm
gonna be ansked with you. Ihad so many questions for Nick that I
just felt like I wanted just toget into the nuts and bolts. I
think he's covering a lot of groundout there. A lot of people are
covering a lot of ground but Ijust kind of wanted to get into the
there's a lot of talk of whoto believe, who's disinformation and who's not
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disinformation, And I think that thatwas a really good point for everybody to
kind of break down, like howhow to really listen to these interviews with
all these people and all these thingsgoing on. I don't know, what
do you think for sure? Yeah, I really liked you know, he
didn't. He wasn't just like jumpingon the on the bandwagon and saying like,
oh my god, I mean it'sa huge He said, like this
is a huge deal obviously, andit's a big, big thing that's going
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on. But I did really likethat he kind of here's the skeptical approach,
the proper skeptical approach, not thecynical one where you just like call
it nonsense and aren't doing anything more, but just like breaking down into the
possibilities of you know, this couldbe legit, or it could be that
someone's feeding him stuff and he thinksit sounds legit and thinks he's doing the
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right thing, or you know,you know, the full spectrum. So
I kind of appreciated getting that perspective. That was good Yeah, I like
a bit of skepticism. Yeah,I think with that's normal. I think
if you're totally believing everything that anyonesays, I mean, I think then
there's something you're missing. That's justwith anybody, doesn't matter who it is,
right, even if it's except well, I don't know, that's well.
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See, there we go. There'san example. Not all the time.
Matt Okay dark Um, all right, so I think that's really interesting.
I'm sure we don't have an interviewwith Stephen Greer, but that would
have been interesting after Nick Pope.Um. Yeah, if you're listening to
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this, you might have caught thehearing that Stephen Greer did. And he
brought up a lot of military witnessesand people that had drawings and and interactions
with UAPs, UFOs um X ortrustural intelligence, and there was a lot
of them and it was and itwas pretty groundbreaking for a lot of people
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in this in this industry or inin this this field. Um. And
one of the things that Stephen Greerhad said at the end was, um,
uh, you know you that theyhave everybody has six months. All
these contractors have six months to turnover all their UAP material. Or something
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bad's going to happen, some kindof bloodshed or yeah, like yeah,
I was really interested. Like Iheard him on another interview. I think
we talked about it briefly as wellon the live show maybe, but he
had an interview with Billy Cosson actually, and he sort of reiterated that point
about like, we gotta get thisdone because by the end of the year,
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some shit's gonna go down that hecan't talk about. It was like
being super coy about whatever it was. But I don't know sounded it sounded
heavy whatever it was. Yeah,and uh yeah, nervous about whatever that
is. I mean, I knowthere's a bunch of stuff posted about Gersh,
but did you wasn't there somebody inhis that worked with him that had
some things to say about Gersh?Yeah, So I did. This kind
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of popped up on Reddit not longafter the Grush interview came out, and
it was actually in a video thatwas it was like a body language analysts
that was kind of going through Grush'syou know, body language to see whether
they thought he was telling the truthor not. I think the takeaway from
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the end of the video. Ididn't watch all of it. But the
takeaway from the end of the videowas that he did think that Grush was
at least legit thought what he wassaying was the truth. So that was
interesting. But there was a commentin the comment section, and so you
know, take this with the necessarygrains of salt or whatever that you need
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to because it was just a comment. But someone claimed to be an aero
engineer in the US Air Force fortwenty six years who apparently new Grush,
you know, in that sort offield of work, and he had some
really interesting things to say. Soagain, you know, just to say,
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what did he say? What doyou say? Be open minded about
it. But here's what he says. So he says, first, I
know that Grush is only a limitedability to talk about the subject. He
did get clearance to speak to acertain extent, but must withhold quite a
bit in order to avoid very seriouslaw violations. And I kind of got
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that from the Grush interview two thathe was like being really careful with what
he was saying. So he says, expect him to be holding back some
of these things he could say.And then he says, this retrieval program
is real and is the most highlyclassified program in the US. The program
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is called Zodiac Wow, And thismay may or may not come out on
the public hearing soon. So Iguess, well, if that does come
out of the Zodiac thing, becauseI have you heard that before? The
Zodiac program? Uh No. Butthat is really odd because of some other
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things that I'm working on that havenothing to do with what's come out in
the news about UAPs and the retrievalprogram, but on some ancient code level,
it's very interesting that they would havea program called the zodiacum that was
specifically about UAP retrieve retrieval. Yeah, because one of the things that I've
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been analyzing from an ancient perspective isthat, and I of a punch people
interview about this, is that theum, the zodiac structure as we know
it, is off, and wekeep believing in following a system that's not
necessarily on the same course. Soit's interesting, Oh rightiac things Zodiac right.
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But I mean a lot of peoplehave been talking about that, but
now we have like calculations of howfar and uh and and and what it's
connected to. And so it's sointeresting because because with the Zodiac off,
that means we're connected to something else. And it's so interesting that we would
call a program a UAP retrieval programthe Zodiac when the main focus of figuring
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out what we're connected to is theZodiac. I mean in this other work
that I'm doing, so um,yeah, yeah, there is something behind
that. Yeah. I mean wetalk about being connected to another um,
another galaxy, their star system andhow they align and how they perfectly align,
and how it's like another world thatwe're connected to. But it's so
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interesting like that connection. I mean, I just didn't know that that's what
the program was called. I don'tknow. That blows my mind because I
mean that wholly other field looking atsomething else. Wow. Well, we'll
see. I mean, this isprobably a good way to judge if this
guy who's made this comment here islegit. If that does come out that
that's the name of the program,will know that this guy knows what he's
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talking about. Right. So hegoes on with a few different other Well,
it goes on for quite a bitof stuff, but I'll just pick
out a few bits and pieces here. He says the grush is trying to
talk about the most highly classified projectin the world. People have historically died,
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lost careers, lost family due tothe secret. So to say this
is stressful to talk about would bean understatement. So he mentions where and
Grush shakes his head when he talksabout the spacecraft and alien He says,
because we don't really think this iswhat they are, but this term is
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in common use publicly and is asclose as we can describe the phenomena to
the general public and be understood.So we talked about this before, about
it being like something beyond maybe whatwe're you know, we're even capable of
understanding. But then he goes intothis whole intermensional stuff. He says,
there are much These are much morethan spacecraft. They are transmedium interdimensional craft.
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To the best of our knowledge,he says, the alien aspect,
this is just the easiest term wehave because we don't really know for sure,
but this term is pretty close atpresent. We consider most of these
beings to be advanced biological AI manufacturedbeings. Uh. And then he says,
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I can tell you from my ownexperience while on duty, these are
real. I can tell you thisbecause I was present on two occasions where
these craft were above our base watchingus I wasn't read into the program.
I can only tell you I wasthere on two occasions. He mentions in
parentheses that it was just happenstance thathe was there at the time, and
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they are as real as the noseon your face. Um. So then
you got like a series of questionsobviously, after people going whoa, whoa,
what do you like give me somemore, buddy, Like that's it,
I'm done. Yeah, So someoneasked me about, like, what
is transmedium you know, the interdimensionalcraft? What do you mean by that?
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So he says, this question keepsrepeating. Sell, let me explain
trans medium craft and interdimensional very verybasically and briefly, trans medium means that
they can operate in space, Earth, gravity, Earth atmosphere, and underwater
without any problem. Space, whichis a vacuum and exposed to very hot
and cold temperatures depending on where theSun is, as well as very high
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levels of radiation, and also subjectto collision with high speed meteoroids and space
debris. When in Earth's orbit thatcovers all of space. He says,
they can operate in the atmosphere withoutinteracting with it. We determine this because
the speed these objects are moving relativelyis generously thousands of miles per hour,
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yet we see no friction coefficient wewould expect from the air compression. So
basically, he's, you know,describing what people say, like you know,
it's beyond what we know of basicphysics. How these things move around.
It's like insane. As he says, these crafts clearly have their own
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gravity field because they can instantly accelerate, stop, and make ninety degree turn
without any inertial effect. If gravityor inertia would be having an effect,
the craft itself would tear apart andthe occupants would be dead. Far earlier
than that. We've seen these craftsgo straight down from the upper atmosphere right
into the ocean with no problem.So they seem to be phased out of
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our physical dimension in some way.So like interesting stuff like there's he says,
a bunch more stuff, And Iguess I'll try and link to it.
We should stop putting links up again, I haven't done that. Well,
yeah, yeah, that's really interestingbecause I mean most scientists I've said
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this before, but most scientists thatdon't that would not be out of UFO
conference, would not talk to youabout UAPs. Or UFOs or study them,
would say that if like the onething that they can wrap their head
around is that these beans are andthe craft are multidimensional, that they have
a way of somehow transferring through spaceand time in a way that we don't
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understand. But that makes more sensethan something just coming here and arriving and
landing or just hovering or you know, that makes sense to most scientists,
people that aren't in this field atall. And I think that that um
that has some is a valid pointto it. I think that UM.
I think a lot of times wewe we ask, you know, look
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for we ask why are they here? Right? Um? Yeah, But
so we take all the evidence ofwhat we know, like they're hovering over
military missiles and nuclear silos and they'rehere, and they're doing this and they
help some people, and so fromleft and right and right nanigans like okay,
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they're definitely here to bug us.Um, But I think like we
haven't asked like the bigger question.Okay, so, but why are they
doing any of those things? Likeif I had a transmedium device that I
could transfer into space and time andgo into any world without necessarily being in
the same frequency that they are,but being able to witness what they're they're
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doing, I would probably do it. Why people go into a into a
wildlife area and tag deer because theywant to understand that population of or that
species. That's super interesting. Iactually gets me onto something else that I
just recently read from Jacques Valais,who and I'm not sure if this was
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from a recent interview that but itwas, you know, it was.
It was around the whole grush whistleblowof stuff when this came out. And
I'm not sure if he's specifically commentingon what's going on, but Valet has
a really interesting idea of what's goingon, and I think it sort of
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matches actually with a lot of whatum man, who's that other guy?
I really loved multiman prophecies. Dude, it's coming, it's coming, John
Keel, There we go, JohnKiel. Yes, yes, I knew
he'd get there eventually. But so, um this is what Valet sort of
says about like his answer to oryou know, his speculation I guess too,
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as to why why they're doing this. Valais argues that the UFOs are
part of a larger phenomenon, phenomenonthat he calls the control system. He
defines this as a strange force thatbends human beings in absurd ways, forcing
them to play a role in abizarre game of deception. He believes that
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the force, this force, ismanipulating human perception and consciousness for some unknown
purpose, and that it may havebeen doing so throughout history. Jacques Valet
thinks that the US, Yeah,actually, that reminds me a lot of
what pat Or Jackson was saying.To be honest, the control system.
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Yeah, the control system. Wegotta go, we gotta get, we
gotta get Patrick Jackson on. Everybodythought that I was full of shit.
We had him first two years agoand everyone's like, oh, yeah,
who's this guy talking about the stufflike that? All the paranormal community want
to kill him because he was sayingnot all ghosts or ghosts that you know,
they're actually part of this control system. But now all the stuff in
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the government's coming out about all thespheres and shit and all that patterning.
Yeah, and the one thing PatrickJackson said, and if you guys want
to go back and listen to anyof these interviews with Patrick Jackson, the
one thing he said is that whatthese devices do is that they send out
a frequency of fear causing causing anyindividuals that are actually witnessing the actual spheres
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to see things, to have weirdexperiences, to feel burning, to get
sick. Some people have cancer,right, they have this, they're infected
with the electromagnetic energy. That's toowrong. Um um. But they get
they get like you almost get likeintense anxiety. You get all these thoughts
in your head. And that's wildman, that's wild. Said that totally
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lines up with everything on one ofthose devices. Yeah wow, okay,
So let me go on with JacquesFla stuff here. So he says,
um. He thinks that the UFOcrashes are not accidental events, but rather
intentional occurrences that serve a specific purposefor these mysterious visitants. He also notes
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the physical characteristics of the supposed aliencraft and materials are inconsistent and incompatible with
the laws of physics and engineering.He suggests that these anomal anomalies are not
due to our lack of understanding,but rather to the deliberate manipulation of our
perception by the UFO intelligence. Accordingto Vlai, the UFO intelligence is not
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interested in commuting, communicating, withus directly, but rather in creat a
complex and enigmatic scenario that challenges ourassumptions and beliefs about reality. And this
is the last thing that lines upexactly with what you just said, well,
sir, he said. Valet believesthat the UFO crashes are part of
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this scenario and that they are designedto elicit a variety of reactions from people
of different groups, such as curiosity, fear, or skepticism, denial,
fascination, etc. He says thatthese reactions are part of an ongoing experiment
that the UFO intelligence is conducting onhuman consciousness and culture, and that they
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may have profound implications for our futureevolution. Bump bumpo. Wow, that's
huge. I mean, Jack Reilleis very respected and um, that is
a that is a that is abunch of really huge statements. Yeah,
that was a lot there, Butthat was kind of what I was getting
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to is that we have I haven'treally asked why, right, Like so
we try to take evidence from otherhumans by saying, Okay, it's what
they say and what they did,but it's never what anybody says or what
they did, it's why they didit. And I would like to look
at that perspective when it comes toaliens interacting with humans. Why And that
definitely backs up how I feel thatit's part of some weird game. I
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mean, that's why I'm constantly saying, like I don't really want to go
up in a ship or I don'twant to like like I, I just
it's not because I don't believe it'syou don't want to hang out in the
horn to jail. Yeah, Idon't want to hang out at a horn
to jail. I'm like, Iget it. They're all I do believe
this stuff is real, that thesupernatural exists, and that is an interaction
with us. But to get itwrapped around my head to make me emotionally
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feel some way so that I thenhave some reaction and then totally change the
way that I think in my lifefor that purpose, No, thank you.
I'd rather stay neutral so that Ican be ahead of that studied like
some sort of lab experiment. Yeahright, no thanks, I'm all good.
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Realat says that I think is prettyimportant too. Valet also urges us
to develop a new scientific paradigm thatcan account for the multidimensional nature of reality
and the possibility of other forms ofintelligence and consciousness beyond our own. I
think that's I think that's pretty profound. I totally agree with that that.
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You know, I guess quantum physicskind of does delve into that multidimensional kind
of stuff, but it's still verytheoretical at the moment, and I don't
know. I think we could probablylet's lean into it, guys, Yes,
let's do it the wage boards.I think we need to get some
multi dimensional science happening here. That'sright, let's open up a portal.
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Okay, let it, guys.Yeah, I'll give it a crack to
Yeah, I'm not leeping know ifthat happens. Speaking of getting some things
going, there's an article that justcame out today which, by the time
you hear this podcast will be acouple of days. Senate Intelligence Bill gives
holders of non Earth origin or exoticUAP materials six months to make it available
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to the aa ROO. So thisis what Greer warrened, but now there
is a hearing about it. Here'sa quote from Senator Christian Gillibrand. We
need to just look into whether thereare rogue SAP programs that no one is
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providing an oversight for the goal forme will be to have a hearing on
that at some point so that wecan assess if these SAPs actually exist.
She did that interview a couple ofdays ago. But if you don't know
what the aa r O is isthe Pentagon's Office established by Congress to conduct
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investigations of Unidentified Anomalous phenomenon UAP andto collect information on current and past federal
government activity pertaining to UAPUM. Sothe Legislatish Kirkpatrick was ahead of. I
believe, yes, yes. Thelegislation also would require the a O a
r O Director to notify designated Congressionalcommunities and leaders within thirty days after receiving
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any such notifications, information or exoticmaterials. So they're getting really serious about
this. Um they made a bill, yeah or whatever. If that's going
to persuade anyone, Do you reckonif this is what Grea was talking because
Grea specifically said if this doesn't happen, he mentioned the word that it's going
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to be a blood bath. Thisdoesn't sound like the same thing, but
I mean it lines up. Thesix months thing lines up. But I
don't know, Maybe there's multiple thingshappening. I get like wanting answers,
but a blood bath, I thoughtwere I thought he's talking about having peaceful
interactions with aliens, so um,yeah, I don't think it's coming from
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him. I think there's he believesthat there's some I don't know, group
of people who are going to reallystir some shit up, like an action
movie. There's going to take abunch of people out. It's like,
yeah, independent, yeah, supercheesy talk by Bill Bill Pullman in front
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of a lot of military people,and yeah, that kind of thing Pullman,
that was like a million years ago. They're gonna have to get somebody
else for that position. That wasa deep pull Man. Yeah, oh
so bad, so bad. Weneed Josh. We need Josh. We
need Josh to laugh incessantly about thatjoke. It's not fun when I say
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dick jokes because you you're the onlyperson and then you feel really uncomfortable.
It's just being you. Yeah,I don't know where to look, all
red in the face. It's anightman, Melissa to my eyes. All
right. So just really a coupleof more things about this. The new
UAP language found in Section eleven Ofour of this bill would require any person
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currently or formally under contract with thefederal government, that has in their possession
material or information provided by or derivedfrom the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous
phenomenon that formally or currently is protectedby any form of special access or restricted
access, to notify the Director ofthe All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office a R
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within sixty days of an enactment,and to provide within one hundred and eighty
days six months a comprehensive list ofall non Earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalists
phenomenon material possessed, and to makeit available to the aa ro O Director
for Assessment, Analysis and Inspection.Is that like overly wordy for what they're
trying to say? I mean,I just is it just me? Yeah,
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I mean it's a bill, sothey're always pretty wordy and yeah,
full of like legal talk. Right, I don't like it says that it
offers a safe harbor for people tocome forward. Um, but it also
has this feeling of like, hey, we want all this stuff people,
but I don't see any like Idon't know what's the motivation negative recourse.
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Yeah, like there's no like you'regonna get fined or we're gonna, yeah,
but probi or something like that ifyou don't give it to us,
although some people might be into itanyway, but there's no doors. We're
not sending the Nordics some hot Nordics. We're gonna send them around to your
place and we're gonna do horrible funthings with you. Um or we will
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keep doing this to you. Yeah, but anyway, there doesn't seem to
be any penalty for not doing it. I hope what this means is it's
just like it opens up like asafe space for or whistleblowers to come forward
and tell their stuff. I guess. But anyway, it's something, you
know, it's not nothing right.It's the opposite of not nothing right.
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I mean, definitely something is happening. Where that's going to lead I don't
know. I mean, but likeyou said, what's the I'm sure there's
private push to get this in adifferent way, but they're not going to
put that a bill. Yeah.Yeah, it's like the only it seems
like the only way they can dothis is to if it was it was
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government bodies that provided the materials andthe information to the private sector for this
UAP stuff, then then they cansort of make them, you know,
tell them about it or give itback or whatever. But I think if
it's a private entity, who's youknow this is This is why we know
that these military operations like Atheon andall those sort of places are used because
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the public sector and they have thatsort of uh, their ability to keep
their there happening silent without any sortof foyer requests or whatever like anything like
that. Um. But yeah,I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I mean, you know, thisis just a random thought. I'd
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like to throw these in here.Um, I, like everybody else probably
listening to this podcast, want tosee what people have been holding back for
all these years. I mean,for the love of God, I've been
talking about this for twenty years.You've been talking about this for a long
time. There's lots of people onthis podcast listening. I've been talking about
this for a long time. Thething is is that one hundred percent want
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to see stuff. But but oreis is this forcing the government then to
do the unconstitutional thing to force publiccompanies to give them information of which they
have the rights too. I don'tknow the answer to that, but interesting
question. I don't know I don'tknow. I'm just saying, I mean,
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like we're I mean, I wantthis information. I'm just saying,
this is not something there's a there'sa law against. This is why private
companies have our private companies have theability to to hold to be able to
make decisions as a private company andnot be uphold into the government having control.
I just I'm hoping that this wholesituation that is mind blowing and at
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a tipping point isn't used in apolitical favor to gain more control over companies.
That's all I can say. Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay, Yeah, I mean,I don't know. There's like these government
bills and stuff are all like totallyinnocent, Like there could be some shenandigans
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going on behind the scenes. SoI'm gonna say I don't have any evidence
of that. Just something to thinkabout in your heads. Um. But
speaking of like other people getting involved, Canada has been involved. Canada's saying,
hey, look, we don't wantto get called our pants down,
so you know, maybe we shouldget on the same board of of you
know, letting things out at thesame time the US does. Yeah,
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So this was a I think afew people have talked about already, but
we'll we'll sort of mention it briefly. Um, this was a Canadian I
think it was leaked. We talkedabout this before. I wasn't sure if
it was leaked or it was justreleased by the Canadian government. I think
it was leaked because it was aan MP in Canada, Larry McGuire who
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was addressing another minister. Show methe ups, show me the UAPs,
is what he was saying. Andso this guy was like, UM,
I mean the the what would youcall this a some sort of document letter?
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I guess an addressed letter to MinisterAnand it's not like hugely groundbreaking in
and of itself what it says,but I think the implications of what it's
hinting at, I think is abig deal. And I just let me
read this one paragraph just to highlightwhat it's sort of the meat and potatoes
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of what it's saying. Here itsays, as Minister of National Defense,
you may not be aware of DefenseResearch and Development Canada. The DRDC has
participated in efforts to analyze UAP,which is publicly traceable to circa nineteen fifty.
So they're specifically mentioning that year.So I don't know if they have
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that means they have some sort ofretrieved crash from Canada or they have the
open to it like this whole ideaback in the fifties. Anyway, interesting
stuff. So this recovered foreign materialis studied through the Five Eyes Foreign Material
Program the FMP so foreign Material programis a thing that I didn't realize was
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a thing, and it was.Yeah, So the Five Eyes, not
five Guys delicious Burgers, Five Eyesis sort of a five guys. There
was an alliance between the US,the UK, Australia, Yeah, and
the Dirty Bloody Kiwi's the New Zealander'sLove You Guys and anyway, So it
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seems like they were sharing this UAPmaterial, not necessarily a physical material,
but information between the Five Eyes nations. And it says in Canada, the
Canadian Force Intelligence Command aligned with severalintelligence sharing arrangements and treaties. I am
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writing to recommend your request classified briefingcontaining full sensitive and protected program information from
your officials on the Government of Canada'shistorical and ongoing efforts on analyzing recovered UAP
material. Don't you know, well, is that racist? No, I
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think we're fine. Canada's pretty easyon this stuff. Canada Chief. They
talk like that in Wisconsin where I'mfrom, So it's safe, okay,
And that's basically Canada rights, basicallyAmerican geography anyway. So Canada's Chief Science
Advisor has also launched the Sky Canadaproject, which is investigating how the Government
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of Canada manages UAP reports. Soit sounds very much like the AAO of
the Canadian version of that right anyway. So basically what this is saying is
that Canada is saying, Hey,if the US is going to release all
this shit, we also need tobe part of this. At least the
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Five Nations, the Five Eyes nationsneed to be part of this and sort
of come up with some sort ofplan to be part of this disclosure.
Otherwise, you know, we'll getleft behind and people will see that we've
been lying to everyone, lying tothem together and hold hands. Hold hands
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into the abyss takes a whole village. Let's talk about UAPs. Yeah,
So I mean, a more acknowledgmentthat shit is happening, That shit has
been happening since at least the fiftiesthat we know of. At least,
the actual government study of UAPs isa legit thing. So, like I
said, the implications of what thisis saying is more sort of amazing than
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what the actual letter. It's prettydry, I guess, but yeah,
this is a this is the thing, like countries have been studying this stuff,
and I mean, this is justlike Allied nations obviously that they're talking
about here. But you know,we know that the Russia has a huge
UAP program um that came out recentlywith open about it. Though I mean
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they've been talking about this stuff fora long time. M I mean,
maybe not some of the stuff thatthey really that they want the US to
know, as far as maybe somedown technology that they have that they don't
want to share, but they've definitelybeen talking about aliens a lot, and
therein lies the problem is the reverseengineered technology that comes from these things that
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has, like I guess what Grierssays, has the ability Doctor Griers says,
has the ability to change the worldand profoundly amazing, wonderful ways,
but also has the ability to probablywipe that whole life on Earth as we
know it. So I mean,I get I get that secrecy, Why
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you know why not, But man, I wish I wish humans weren't evil
bastards, you know, right,we could be doing some some wonderful stuff.
But yeah, we you know,war kind of rules everything. Well,
fear rules everything. I don't knowif you're gonna change that on this
podcast, right, But we aren'tgetting closer to something which is which is
(51:37):
some kind more information, you know, you know, every time we post
something and people say, you know, we've been talking about this for years,
is not going anywhere? And thenpeople say, is this disclosure?
I mean, the more mainstream thisbecomes, it is disclosure. Whether it's
announced publicly officially or not, it'shappening, happening now. That was one
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thing I was thinking the other dayof when they do sort of drop the
big disclosure and it is sort oftrickling out at the moment, I guess
it's actually, you know, it'shappening, which is fantastic. But when
they do sort of we sort ofget the whole story of what the government
and I'm I know for certain we'renot going to get the whole story because
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you know they're going to hold things, hold things back for sure. But
once we sort of get at leastsomewhat of a picture of what's been happening
behind the scenes without the majority ofhuman life's knowledge. I think people are
people have such as unwarranted I think, but solid idea of what they think
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is happening. You know, wehave so many wacky stories of like secret
space program, whistle blowers and allsorts of nonsense like that going on,
and when you know, I thinkwhat is happening is far more sort of
you know, cerebral, interdimensional,you know, trouble understanding kind of what's
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going on. But then the peoplewho believe that, you know, oh,
it's just Star Trek is happening behindthe scenes and we don't know about
it. I think there's going tobe that pushback from those sort of people
who are who are going to say, like, oh, no, this
is just more misinformation and we're justgoing to be sort of swamped and mired,
bogged down and more in fighting ofpeople thinking they know what's going on.
(53:37):
And you know, I don't know, there's such a distrust in all
this stuff that I think once wefinally get what the government's picture is and
I say that in quotes of what'shappening, there's still going to be like
arguments about like oh that's wrong becausealien beer and stuff. You know,
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yeah, yeah, there's definitely justyou know, not disinformation with like Okay,
this guy worked for the government,but he's telling us the truth versus
this person. It's really just peoplehaving all sorts of opinions about stuff,
trying to take the narrative away.The thing is is that I think if
there's any subject to stay more neutralbesides other really huge human subjects, this
(54:22):
is another one. I mean,this is this is big. I mean,
like, don't believe everything you hear, even if you really really like
that person, you just really lovefollowing that person because they channel aliens and
they have all the answers. It'sthe most important, not because anyone's wrong,
but because if we're actually going toget any solid ground of moving forward
(54:45):
with extra trust, real life orany kind of craft, the most important
thing is to stay neutral. Itjust you're the whole community rips itself apart
constantly. You know. It's justlike, if somebody's getting ground, why
are we calling people out and sayingtheir disinformation if they're not really making any
(55:06):
dents in it anyway. It's justthe human drama, Like, I don't
know, I really want to getto the bottom of it, and I'm
passionate about it. And I'm fillingin the gap for Josh right now,
but but I am really passionate aboutit. Yeah, let's get this rant
Melissa rant going on. Yeah,I just really want like people to be
like, Okay, that's a reallyinteresting opinion. But but okay, let's
(55:27):
let's like, let's really think aboutthe big picture here. Let's let's really
be above that. Let's really getsome answers by not believing everybody. We
hear all the time talking about howthey have the answers, and then and
then we disc and then we canget rid of the fact of like so
and so's disinformation and making shit upor not or telling the truth. I
mean, everybody has a grant ofshooth and I think we have to respect
(55:47):
that. And of course people haveagendas and motives. But if you're neutral,
then you can see right through thatbullshit. Yeah, that's all I
gotta say. I think it comesdown to evidence, once we see some
hard evidence. But you know,having said that, even then people will
be like, oh, it's fuckingAI or they made that shit up.
It's a Hollywood film set or whatever. You know, there's never gonna be
(56:13):
a solid consensus on on what's happening. And maybe, like maybe, like
Jacques Valet said, that's by design, not necessarily by government entities, by
but by the interdimensional bastards themselves fuckingwith everyone's head, you know, right,
And that's all I got on thatnote. That's all I got.
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The control system. Everyone, watchout for the control system. Stay in
neutral, you'll be in power.You'll find the right answers. Have a
good night. I know Josh willbe back. I know you miss it
because he was our resident dick jokereceiver is that's a show, right there,
(57:00):
Resident Dick cha Krasifa. Who wantsthat T shirt? Make sure you
message us so we know when wemake that shirt you're gonna get. Get
the first one. All right,everybody, have a good night. Watch
out for the control system, stayingneutral. You'll find the answers. We'll
talk to you next week. Goodbye,
This week on Cosmic Cantina, we'redown one ranting new Englander, but that
will not stop us from plowing aheadwith the latest happening in uap Land.
I interviewed Nick Pope to get histhoughts on the whistleblower, David Grush and
his story. Then Matt and Igo on to discuss some interesting new happenings,
including official Canadian documents and possible intentionsof these other worldly beings. So
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grab your beverage of choice and joinus for an all new Cosmic Cantina.
I'm your host, Melissa Tittle,and every week I go to my favorite
bar, Cosmic Cantina, and kickback with my co host Josh Golambuski and
Matt O'Connor. We talk about aliens, bigfoot, ghosts, ancient cultures,
(00:45):
and anything from the unseen world thatneeds a little illumination. Welcome to Cosmic
Cantina. I'm your host, MelissaTittle, and Tonight I am drinking a
whole bottle of so Many on Blanc, a specific brand that my fiance decided
(01:11):
to order a case of, andI'm five of them deep. It's gonna
be a good show. Five Deep. Tonight show it, well, not
tonight over the course of this week, because it's been pretty okay, it
sounds a little bit more responsible.Look, I'm I got myself a glass
of the brown stuff, a littlewhiskey on this set out and us it's
(01:34):
feeling pretty good, awesome, AndI'm gonna speak for Josh. He's not
here. I know this is soweird. It's really weird phrase too,
because you know, we just reallydon't Matt and I just don't really want
to talk to each other because wejust need that one person that's just crazy
enough to just get us all going. But but Josh is taking care of
(01:55):
some personal things. He's probably drinkingalone. Um, so it's just us
to know, right, But wehave a very exciting show. We might
Intererjet trying to be Josh. Ihope you don't mind. Yeah, yep,
So Josh is at for I guessthe next few shows, we'll see
how he goes. Uh, Butyou know, it's just Joe me Melissa.
(02:17):
We'll see what happens. We're gonnawe're gonna bring the bring the excitement.
We don't have the crazy Josh rants. I know, I know we're
gonna have to look back again.Yeah, all right, do your your
favorite Josh impression. Oh man,I can't talk that fast. That's like
a level of that's a level ofrantiness that I just don't have within my
(02:40):
system. I know, I wasn'tborn on the East Coast. I can't
do it. I'm more of aWest Coast girl. Shit right, Okay,
we gotta get to the show.All right, Sorry, Josh is
in here, but we'll try tostick in some Josh things every now and
then. One thing, yeah,yeah, sor let's talk about some UFO
(03:05):
stuff, yes, because that hasbeen hot. And look, we're totally
late on dropping the show, soI apologize. Um, we did that
live, and we told you wehad a Nick Pope interview, and we
do um, and Nick Pope hasbeen doing a lot of interviews, and
um, you know, I justthought this was a really interesting take.
You know, we only do Ionly do an interview that's really fast,
fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, justkind of get to like, okay,
(03:27):
what's going on? And he kindof broke it down for Look, however
you think about or whatever whatever opinionsyou have about Gersh. He broke it
down to why he's believable and twowhy he might not be believable. So
this is really interesting because he doeshave some good points here on what to
(03:49):
believe when you're when you're listening tothe interviews with Gersh and all the other
people commenting. So here you go, here's a Nick Pope interview. Drop
it. Nick, Thanks for joiningus. This is a pretty serious matter.
I know that you have been doinga million interviews with different with News
(04:11):
Nation and other outlets, and soI really appreciate your time on this.
What is your take on this whistleblower? Is this for real? Is this
really happening? Well, yes,this is a real bombshell revelation. And
I've spoken personally this week to threeretired intelligence community personnel who have personal knowledge
(04:32):
of David grush. So and ofcourse the reporters who who broke this story,
whether it's Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthalwho who first wrote it up,
or whether it's the team at theDebrief who first published it, or whether
it's the folks at News Nation whoare now running with it. A lot
(04:53):
of people have done their due diligenceon this. David brush is absolutely who
he says he is. He didexactly what he said he did it in
relation to things like serving on theUAP Task Force. Now by his own
admission, of course, he's thefirst one to say, look, I
(05:14):
did not see this debris or thesecraft myself. But you know, I
use an analogy about that. Alot of people in nuclear policy, for
example, within government handle nuclear policydoesn't mean they've ever touched or seen a
nuclear weapon, but none of uswould say that means a nuclear weapons program
(05:35):
doesn't exist. So this is hugenews, and it's not by the way
people being skeptical about this. It'snot a single source story. There are
a number of people, both onand off the record, who have corroborated
not just who he is, butsome of the information he's coming forward with.
(05:55):
And you're when you say he,you're saying the whistleblower, you're saying
this this guy is legit. Theway that he came out with this story
is legit. That's what you're referringto. Yes, absolutely, David Grash
served as a member of the UAPTask Force, which, of course within
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the US government, had the leadon this. Before the creation of ARROW,
he sat within the National Geospatial IntelligenceAgency and also of course everyone moves
around a lot in the intelligence community, but also the NRO, the National
Reconnaissance Office, and there are alot of things going on in relation to
(06:39):
this. He has an active complaintwith the Intelligence Community Inspector General, and
also, of course, in literallythe last day or two, it was
announced that the House Oversight Committee willbe having a hearing on this. So
Congress is engaged. Congress quite rightly, as you would expect, is trying
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to validate this information and to seewhether and this was the substance or certainly
part of Dave's complaint, see whetherit's true that obstacles were put in the
path of Congress to present to preventthem from undertaking their their lawful and constitutional
(07:24):
oversight of UAP. And one ofDavid Grush's points is that he witnessed what
he says was a deliberate and wilfulattempt to mislead Congress and to hide from
them this crash retrieval program. Thatis crazy, you know, just the
(07:48):
idea of a crash retrieval program.First of all, everyone has been talking
about this since the fifties, andit just sounds crazy, right that there
a retrieval program which means there's somethingto retrieve, which means that they have
something in a possession. What doyou think of that? I mean,
I mean, we're everyone's trying tovalidate the whistleblower right now, but what
(08:11):
about the actual idea that there isa retrieval program. Yeah, I mean
it's staggering. It's it's like almostand what's happening on social media, but
also now in the mainstream media isvery interesting because you've got some journalists,
and journalists are kind of in avery difficult position on this that pitching their
(08:33):
bets a little because, on theone hand, they don't want to miss
the biggest story of all time.And let's be clear, this would be
the biggest story of all time,so they can't ignore it, but neither
do they want to be too credulouson it in case it all blows up
in our faces a few few daysor weeks or months downstream. So at
(08:58):
the moment, a lot of peopleare taking sort of let's wait and see
attitude on this. But you're right, I mean, it's it's not just
let's evaluate the whistleblower, it's let'sevaluate the information. And as you say,
if there's a crash retrieval program.This is staggering. And yeah,
of course stories like this have beenaround for decades, but traditionally this sort
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of thing just crops up either anonymouslyon various conspiracy blogs and forums or from
people on the fringes of this whoyou might say, well, you know,
is this person really in a positionto know? But never before has
it come up from somebody who wasat the heart of the military and the
(09:43):
intelligence community effort to understand the UAPsituation. So this is a verifiable insider.
Now, with my skeptical hat on, there are a couple of possibilities,
and of course, you know,let's let's run through the options.
Option number one being really cynical.Is that for some reason or the other,
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this this is completely fabricated, youknow, and people do make things
up. Now, as as arider to that, I would say,
this person has made an on therecord statement to various elements of Congress and
to the intelligence community inspector general.If you do that sort of thing and
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knowingly make a false statement, youare liable for a fairly hefty fine and
or jail prison. So I think, of course it's possible. Yeah,
but it's probably not very likely.There is another option, which is that
he has picked this up from peoplein the system, but for some reason
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he has either been deliberately fed falseinformation or he's he's segue between what he
knows and what he thinks and whathe believes. But again, this guy
was an intelligence community officer, andthose people are pretty good. They know
when they move from what they knowto what they think. One option is
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that this is a stile and thatthere's an element in the US intelligence community
that is trying to convince Congress andmaybe the media, and through the media,
perhaps an adversary trying to convince themthat we do have extraterrestrial technology when
in fact we don't. And ofcourse the other option is that there's a
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believer faction that suspects this is truebut doesn't have access and is trying to
blow everything open by putting a lotof pressure on those who they do believe
are the gatekeepers to the secret.And the final option is that it's all
true. So there's a lot there'sit's in one sense it's a fairly narrowed
by end of possibilities, but itcovers a lot of territory. Well,
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this is an ongoing story, andI think the most important thing is that
we keep an open mind. Ithink what happens in a lot of these
stories, and what a lot ofthe other new mainstream news outlets are doing,
as you said, is that they'rekeeping it kind of closed. They
don't want this to blow up intheir face. I mean, I was
surprised to hear that, hear thatNew York Times was waiting they wanted to
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have more sources when they kind ofblew that UAP story out of the water
several years ago. So I thinkthat we've spend so much time analyzing the
whistleblower, and I think what weneed to ask is, Okay, if
this is true, what does thismean? Like that means that something has
been going on for twenty thirty,forty fifty, who knows how long,
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and that we actually have evidence ofthat, and that is mind blowing.
And I feel like we're not eventhere yet. We're still talking about is
the whistleblower credible? Well, itraises your point, raises a couple of
interesting questions. I mean, firstly, on the New York Times, I
should say that when you look backto that twenty seventeen story, which which
broke in December. People should bearin mind that that story had been offered
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around for months. I think itwas in the summer that a number of
people approached both The Times, ThePost, and Politico, and they did
have to do their due diligence andit did take several months. So I
do have some sympathy for the mediathere, and it should be said.
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I mean, I think Leslie andRalph said in relation to this that they
had offered it to the David Grushstory I'm talking about now. They'd offered
that to The Times, The Post, The Hill, and Politico, all
of which had either past or neededmore time on it. But then they
heard through other sources that other peoplehad the story and we're going to run
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with it. So they couldn't waitany longer and brought things forward. And
I understand that, but you're rightthe implications that this would be staggering.
And here's an interesting point. Ithink if one of the reasons for secrecy
is that there's technology here that couldbe weaponized and we don't want that getting
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to an adversary like China or Russia, I get that, but none of
that means that the US government couldn'tsay at one level, look, yeah,
there is a non human intelligence andat some level it's interacting with us.
That shouldn't be classified. Could youcould take the tech and say,
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look, we're not going to givedetails of that because because it could be
weaponized. But in and of itself, there should be nothing classified about the
presence of an human intelligence unless thereis some great and I've used this phrase
before, but I'll use it again, use it deliberately, some secret too
terrible to be told about all thisthat really would at a societal level cause
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such such a sort of ontological shot, whatever you want to call it,
that that the whole house of cardswould come crashing down. And that's that's
worrying. And I remember an interviewlou Alizondo gave some time ago where somebody
said, if if people knew thetruth about this, in one word,
what should their mood be? Andhis answer was somber. M that's uh.
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I don't know if that's scary orit's profound. It's profound, but
whether it's it's something to fear orsomething to embrace. If if this is
real and this has been discovered andthey are going to disclose it and this
is the beginning. It will beprofound because there is more to our existence
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than we thought there was, andthat is the next level of humanity.
In my opinion, it could bringus great joy, or it could bring
us the worst thing in the world. That is true, and that is
to be figured out. Thank you, Nick so much for your time.
And this is an ongoing story,so if I hope to have you back,
I'm sure there'll be many updates.And take care of yourself. Thanks.
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Melissa's good to talk about this.And as you say this one,
I mean Dave is one of nearlytwo dozen whistleblowers who have come forward.
Some have come to Arrows, somehave come to Congress, So there are
It's going to be a lot moreto this story, both both Dave Grush's
story and others in the days,weeks, and months to come. We'll
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talk again, I'm sure. Definitelyhave a good night you two. I'm
gonna be ansked with you. Ihad so many questions for Nick that I
just felt like I wanted just toget into the nuts and bolts. I
think he's covering a lot of groundout there. A lot of people are
covering a lot of ground but Ijust kind of wanted to get into the
there's a lot of talk of whoto believe, who's disinformation and who's not
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disinformation, And I think that thatwas a really good point for everybody to
kind of break down, like howhow to really listen to these interviews with
all these people and all these thingsgoing on. I don't know, what
do you think for sure? Yeah, I really liked you know, he
didn't. He wasn't just like jumpingon the on the bandwagon and saying like,
oh my god, I mean it'sa huge He said, like this
is a huge deal obviously, andit's a big, big thing that's going
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on. But I did really likethat he kind of here's the skeptical approach,
the proper skeptical approach, not thecynical one where you just like call
it nonsense and aren't doing anything more, but just like breaking down into the
possibilities of you know, this couldbe legit, or it could be that
someone's feeding him stuff and he thinksit sounds legit and thinks he's doing the
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right thing, or you know,you know, the full spectrum. So
I kind of appreciated getting that perspective. That was good Yeah, I like
a bit of skepticism. Yeah,I think with that's normal. I think
if you're totally believing everything that anyonesays, I mean, I think then
there's something you're missing. That's justwith anybody, doesn't matter who it is,
right, even if it's except well, I don't know, that's well.
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See, there we go. There'san example. Not all the time.
Matt Okay dark Um, all right, so I think that's really interesting.
I'm sure we don't have an interviewwith Stephen Greer, but that would
have been interesting after Nick Pope.Um. Yeah, if you're listening to
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this, you might have caught thehearing that Stephen Greer did. And he
brought up a lot of military witnessesand people that had drawings and and interactions
with UAPs, UFOs um X ortrustural intelligence, and there was a lot
of them and it was and itwas pretty groundbreaking for a lot of people
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in this in this industry or inin this this field. Um. And
one of the things that Stephen Greerhad said at the end was, um,
uh, you know you that theyhave everybody has six months. All
these contractors have six months to turnover all their UAP material. Or something
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bad's going to happen, some kindof bloodshed or yeah, like yeah,
I was really interested. Like Iheard him on another interview. I think
we talked about it briefly as wellon the live show maybe, but he
had an interview with Billy Cosson actually, and he sort of reiterated that point
about like, we gotta get thisdone because by the end of the year,
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some shit's gonna go down that hecan't talk about. It was like
being super coy about whatever it was. But I don't know sounded it sounded
heavy whatever it was. Yeah,and uh yeah, nervous about whatever that
is. I mean, I knowthere's a bunch of stuff posted about Gersh,
but did you wasn't there somebody inhis that worked with him that had
some things to say about Gersh?Yeah, So I did. This kind
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of popped up on Reddit not longafter the Grush interview came out, and
it was actually in a video thatwas it was like a body language analysts
that was kind of going through Grush'syou know, body language to see whether
they thought he was telling the truthor not. I think the takeaway from
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the end of the video. Ididn't watch all of it. But the
takeaway from the end of the videowas that he did think that Grush was
at least legit thought what he wassaying was the truth. So that was
interesting. But there was a commentin the comment section, and so you
know, take this with the necessarygrains of salt or whatever that you need
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to because it was just a comment. But someone claimed to be an aero
engineer in the US Air Force fortwenty six years who apparently new Grush,
you know, in that sort offield of work, and he had some
really interesting things to say. Soagain, you know, just to say,
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what did he say? What doyou say? Be open minded about
it. But here's what he says. So he says, first, I
know that Grush is only a limitedability to talk about the subject. He
did get clearance to speak to acertain extent, but must withhold quite a
bit in order to avoid very seriouslaw violations. And I kind of got
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that from the Grush interview two thathe was like being really careful with what
he was saying. So he says, expect him to be holding back some
of these things he could say.And then he says, this retrieval program
is real and is the most highlyclassified program in the US. The program
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is called Zodiac Wow, And thismay may or may not come out on
the public hearing soon. So Iguess, well, if that does come
out of the Zodiac thing, becauseI have you heard that before? The
Zodiac program? Uh No. Butthat is really odd because of some other
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things that I'm working on that havenothing to do with what's come out in
the news about UAPs and the retrievalprogram, but on some ancient code level,
it's very interesting that they would havea program called the zodiacum that was
specifically about UAP retrieve retrieval. Yeah, because one of the things that I've
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been analyzing from an ancient perspective isthat, and I of a punch people
interview about this, is that theum, the zodiac structure as we know
it, is off, and wekeep believing in following a system that's not
necessarily on the same course. Soit's interesting, Oh rightiac things Zodiac right.
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But I mean a lot of peoplehave been talking about that, but
now we have like calculations of howfar and uh and and and what it's
connected to. And so it's sointeresting because because with the Zodiac off,
that means we're connected to something else. And it's so interesting that we would
call a program a UAP retrieval programthe Zodiac when the main focus of figuring
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out what we're connected to is theZodiac. I mean in this other work
that I'm doing, so um,yeah, yeah, there is something behind
that. Yeah. I mean wetalk about being connected to another um,
another galaxy, their star system andhow they align and how they perfectly align,
and how it's like another world thatwe're connected to. But it's so
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interesting like that connection. I mean, I just didn't know that that's what
the program was called. I don'tknow. That blows my mind because I
mean that wholly other field looking atsomething else. Wow. Well, we'll
see. I mean, this isprobably a good way to judge if this
guy who's made this comment here islegit. If that does come out that
that's the name of the program,will know that this guy knows what he's
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talking about. Right. So hegoes on with a few different other Well,
it goes on for quite a bitof stuff, but I'll just pick
out a few bits and pieces here. He says the grush is trying to
talk about the most highly classified projectin the world. People have historically died,
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lost careers, lost family due tothe secret. So to say this
is stressful to talk about would bean understatement. So he mentions where and
Grush shakes his head when he talksabout the spacecraft and alien He says,
because we don't really think this iswhat they are, but this term is
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in common use publicly and is asclose as we can describe the phenomena to
the general public and be understood.So we talked about this before, about
it being like something beyond maybe whatwe're you know, we're even capable of
understanding. But then he goes intothis whole intermensional stuff. He says,
there are much These are much morethan spacecraft. They are transmedium interdimensional craft.
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To the best of our knowledge,he says, the alien aspect,
this is just the easiest term wehave because we don't really know for sure,
but this term is pretty close atpresent. We consider most of these
beings to be advanced biological AI manufacturedbeings. Uh. And then he says,
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I can tell you from my ownexperience while on duty, these are
real. I can tell you thisbecause I was present on two occasions where
these craft were above our base watchingus I wasn't read into the program.
I can only tell you I wasthere on two occasions. He mentions in
parentheses that it was just happenstance thathe was there at the time, and
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they are as real as the noseon your face. Um. So then
you got like a series of questionsobviously, after people going whoa, whoa,
what do you like give me somemore, buddy, Like that's it,
I'm done. Yeah, So someoneasked me about, like, what
is transmedium you know, the interdimensionalcraft? What do you mean by that?
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So he says, this question keepsrepeating. Sell, let me explain
trans medium craft and interdimensional very verybasically and briefly, trans medium means that
they can operate in space, Earth, gravity, Earth atmosphere, and underwater
without any problem. Space, whichis a vacuum and exposed to very hot
and cold temperatures depending on where theSun is, as well as very high
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levels of radiation, and also subjectto collision with high speed meteoroids and space
debris. When in Earth's orbit thatcovers all of space. He says,
they can operate in the atmosphere withoutinteracting with it. We determine this because
the speed these objects are moving relativelyis generously thousands of miles per hour,
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yet we see no friction coefficient wewould expect from the air compression. So
basically, he's, you know,describing what people say, like you know,
it's beyond what we know of basicphysics. How these things move around.
It's like insane. As he says, these crafts clearly have their own
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gravity field because they can instantly accelerate, stop, and make ninety degree turn
without any inertial effect. If gravityor inertia would be having an effect,
the craft itself would tear apart andthe occupants would be dead. Far earlier
than that. We've seen these craftsgo straight down from the upper atmosphere right
into the ocean with no problem.So they seem to be phased out of
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our physical dimension in some way.So like interesting stuff like there's he says,
a bunch more stuff, And Iguess I'll try and link to it.
We should stop putting links up again, I haven't done that. Well,
yeah, yeah, that's really interestingbecause I mean most scientists I've said
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this before, but most scientists thatdon't that would not be out of UFO
conference, would not talk to youabout UAPs. Or UFOs or study them,
would say that if like the onething that they can wrap their head
around is that these beans are andthe craft are multidimensional, that they have
a way of somehow transferring through spaceand time in a way that we don't
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understand. But that makes more sensethan something just coming here and arriving and
landing or just hovering or you know, that makes sense to most scientists,
people that aren't in this field atall. And I think that that um
that has some is a valid pointto it. I think that UM.
I think a lot of times wewe we ask, you know, look
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for we ask why are they here? Right? Um? Yeah, But
so we take all the evidence ofwhat we know, like they're hovering over
military missiles and nuclear silos and they'rehere, and they're doing this and they
help some people, and so fromleft and right and right nanigans like okay,
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they're definitely here to bug us.Um, But I think like we
haven't asked like the bigger question.Okay, so, but why are they
doing any of those things? Likeif I had a transmedium device that I
could transfer into space and time andgo into any world without necessarily being in
the same frequency that they are,but being able to witness what they're they're
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doing, I would probably do it. Why people go into a into a
wildlife area and tag deer because theywant to understand that population of or that
species. That's super interesting. Iactually gets me onto something else that I
just recently read from Jacques Valais,who and I'm not sure if this was
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from a recent interview that but itwas, you know, it was.
It was around the whole grush whistleblowof stuff when this came out. And
I'm not sure if he's specifically commentingon what's going on, but Valet has
a really interesting idea of what's goingon, and I think it sort of
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matches actually with a lot of whatum man, who's that other guy?
I really loved multiman prophecies. Dude, it's coming, it's coming, John
Keel, There we go, JohnKiel. Yes, yes, I knew
he'd get there eventually. But so, um this is what Valet sort of
says about like his answer to oryou know, his speculation I guess too,
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as to why why they're doing this. Valais argues that the UFOs are
part of a larger phenomenon, phenomenonthat he calls the control system. He
defines this as a strange force thatbends human beings in absurd ways, forcing
them to play a role in abizarre game of deception. He believes that
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the force, this force, ismanipulating human perception and consciousness for some unknown
purpose, and that it may havebeen doing so throughout history. Jacques Valet
thinks that the US, Yeah,actually, that reminds me a lot of
what pat Or Jackson was saying.To be honest, the control system.
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Yeah, the control system. Wegotta go, we gotta get, we
gotta get Patrick Jackson on. Everybodythought that I was full of shit.
We had him first two years agoand everyone's like, oh, yeah,
who's this guy talking about the stufflike that? All the paranormal community want
to kill him because he was sayingnot all ghosts or ghosts that you know,
they're actually part of this control system. But now all the stuff in
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the government's coming out about all thespheres and shit and all that patterning.
Yeah, and the one thing PatrickJackson said, and if you guys want
to go back and listen to anyof these interviews with Patrick Jackson, the
one thing he said is that whatthese devices do is that they send out
a frequency of fear causing causing anyindividuals that are actually witnessing the actual spheres
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to see things, to have weirdexperiences, to feel burning, to get
sick. Some people have cancer,right, they have this, they're infected
with the electromagnetic energy. That's toowrong. Um um. But they get
they get like you almost get likeintense anxiety. You get all these thoughts
in your head. And that's wildman, that's wild. Said that totally
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lines up with everything on one ofthose devices. Yeah wow, okay,
So let me go on with JacquesFla stuff here. So he says,
um. He thinks that the UFOcrashes are not accidental events, but rather
intentional occurrences that serve a specific purposefor these mysterious visitants. He also notes
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the physical characteristics of the supposed aliencraft and materials are inconsistent and incompatible with
the laws of physics and engineering.He suggests that these anomal anomalies are not
due to our lack of understanding,but rather to the deliberate manipulation of our
perception by the UFO intelligence. Accordingto Vlai, the UFO intelligence is not
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interested in commuting, communicating, withus directly, but rather in creat a
complex and enigmatic scenario that challenges ourassumptions and beliefs about reality. And this
is the last thing that lines upexactly with what you just said, well,
sir, he said. Valet believesthat the UFO crashes are part of
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this scenario and that they are designedto elicit a variety of reactions from people
of different groups, such as curiosity, fear, or skepticism, denial,
fascination, etc. He says thatthese reactions are part of an ongoing experiment
that the UFO intelligence is conducting onhuman consciousness and culture, and that they
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may have profound implications for our futureevolution. Bump bumpo. Wow, that's
huge. I mean, Jack Reilleis very respected and um, that is
a that is a that is abunch of really huge statements. Yeah,
that was a lot there, Butthat was kind of what I was getting
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to is that we have I haven'treally asked why, right, Like so
we try to take evidence from otherhumans by saying, Okay, it's what
they say and what they did,but it's never what anybody says or what
they did, it's why they didit. And I would like to look
at that perspective when it comes toaliens interacting with humans. Why And that
definitely backs up how I feel thatit's part of some weird game. I
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mean, that's why I'm constantly saying, like I don't really want to go
up in a ship or I don'twant to like like I, I just
it's not because I don't believe it'syou don't want to hang out in the
horn to jail. Yeah, Idon't want to hang out at a horn
to jail. I'm like, Iget it. They're all I do believe
this stuff is real, that thesupernatural exists, and that is an interaction
with us. But to get itwrapped around my head to make me emotionally
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feel some way so that I thenhave some reaction and then totally change the
way that I think in my lifefor that purpose, No, thank you.
I'd rather stay neutral so that Ican be ahead of that studied like
some sort of lab experiment. Yeahright, no thanks, I'm all good.
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Realat says that I think is prettyimportant too. Valet also urges us
to develop a new scientific paradigm thatcan account for the multidimensional nature of reality
and the possibility of other forms ofintelligence and consciousness beyond our own. I
think that's I think that's pretty profound. I totally agree with that that.
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You know, I guess quantum physicskind of does delve into that multidimensional kind
of stuff, but it's still verytheoretical at the moment, and I don't
know. I think we could probablylet's lean into it, guys, Yes,
let's do it the wage boards.I think we need to get some
multi dimensional science happening here. That'sright, let's open up a portal.
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Okay, let it, guys.Yeah, I'll give it a crack to
Yeah, I'm not leeping know ifthat happens. Speaking of getting some things
going, there's an article that justcame out today which, by the time
you hear this podcast will be acouple of days. Senate Intelligence Bill gives
holders of non Earth origin or exoticUAP materials six months to make it available
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to the aa ROO. So thisis what Greer warrened, but now there
is a hearing about it. Here'sa quote from Senator Christian Gillibrand. We
need to just look into whether thereare rogue SAP programs that no one is
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providing an oversight for the goal forme will be to have a hearing on
that at some point so that wecan assess if these SAPs actually exist.
She did that interview a couple ofdays ago. But if you don't know
what the aa r O is isthe Pentagon's Office established by Congress to conduct
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investigations of Unidentified Anomalous phenomenon UAP andto collect information on current and past federal
government activity pertaining to UAPUM. Sothe Legislatish Kirkpatrick was ahead of. I
believe, yes, yes. Thelegislation also would require the a O a
r O Director to notify designated Congressionalcommunities and leaders within thirty days after receiving
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any such notifications, information or exoticmaterials. So they're getting really serious about
this. Um they made a bill, yeah or whatever. If that's going
to persuade anyone, Do you reckonif this is what Grea was talking because
Grea specifically said if this doesn't happen, he mentioned the word that it's going
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to be a blood bath. Thisdoesn't sound like the same thing, but
I mean it lines up. Thesix months thing lines up. But I
don't know, Maybe there's multiple thingshappening. I get like wanting answers,
but a blood bath, I thoughtwere I thought he's talking about having peaceful
interactions with aliens, so um,yeah, I don't think it's coming from
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him. I think there's he believesthat there's some I don't know, group
of people who are going to reallystir some shit up, like an action
movie. There's going to take abunch of people out. It's like,
yeah, independent, yeah, supercheesy talk by Bill Bill Pullman in front
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of a lot of military people,and yeah, that kind of thing Pullman,
that was like a million years ago. They're gonna have to get somebody
else for that position. That wasa deep pull Man. Yeah, oh
so bad, so bad. Weneed Josh. We need Josh. We
need Josh to laugh incessantly about thatjoke. It's not fun when I say
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dick jokes because you you're the onlyperson and then you feel really uncomfortable.
It's just being you. Yeah,I don't know where to look, all
red in the face. It's anightman, Melissa to my eyes. All
right. So just really a coupleof more things about this. The new
UAP language found in Section eleven Ofour of this bill would require any person
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currently or formally under contract with thefederal government, that has in their possession
material or information provided by or derivedfrom the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous
phenomenon that formally or currently is protectedby any form of special access or restricted
access, to notify the Director ofthe All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office a R
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within sixty days of an enactment,and to provide within one hundred and eighty
days six months a comprehensive list ofall non Earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalists
phenomenon material possessed, and to makeit available to the aa ro O Director
for Assessment, Analysis and Inspection.Is that like overly wordy for what they're
trying to say? I mean,I just is it just me? Yeah,
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I mean it's a bill, sothey're always pretty wordy and yeah,
full of like legal talk. Right, I don't like it says that it
offers a safe harbor for people tocome forward. Um, but it also
has this feeling of like, hey, we want all this stuff people,
but I don't see any like Idon't know what's the motivation negative recourse.
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Yeah, like there's no like you'regonna get fined or we're gonna, yeah,
but probi or something like that ifyou don't give it to us,
although some people might be into itanyway, but there's no doors. We're
not sending the Nordics some hot Nordics. We're gonna send them around to your
place and we're gonna do horrible funthings with you. Um or we will
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keep doing this to you. Yeah, but anyway, there doesn't seem to
be any penalty for not doing it. I hope what this means is it's
just like it opens up like asafe space for or whistleblowers to come forward
and tell their stuff. I guess. But anyway, it's something, you
know, it's not nothing right.It's the opposite of not nothing right.
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I mean, definitely something is happening. Where that's going to lead I don't
know. I mean, but likeyou said, what's the I'm sure there's
private push to get this in adifferent way, but they're not going to
put that a bill. Yeah.Yeah, it's like the only it seems
like the only way they can dothis is to if it was it was
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government bodies that provided the materials andthe information to the private sector for this
UAP stuff, then then they cansort of make them, you know,
tell them about it or give itback or whatever. But I think if
it's a private entity, who's youknow this is This is why we know
that these military operations like Atheon andall those sort of places are used because
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the public sector and they have thatsort of uh, their ability to keep
their there happening silent without any sortof foyer requests or whatever like anything like
that. Um. But yeah,I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I mean, you know, thisis just a random thought. I'd
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like to throw these in here.Um, I, like everybody else probably
listening to this podcast, want tosee what people have been holding back for
all these years. I mean,for the love of God, I've been
talking about this for twenty years.You've been talking about this for a long
time. There's lots of people onthis podcast listening. I've been talking about
this for a long time. Thething is is that one hundred percent want
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to see stuff. But but oreis is this forcing the government then to
do the unconstitutional thing to force publiccompanies to give them information of which they
have the rights too. I don'tknow the answer to that, but interesting
question. I don't know I don'tknow. I'm just saying, I mean,
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like we're I mean, I wantthis information. I'm just saying,
this is not something there's a there'sa law against. This is why private
companies have our private companies have theability to to hold to be able to
make decisions as a private company andnot be uphold into the government having control.
I just I'm hoping that this wholesituation that is mind blowing and at
(44:29):
a tipping point isn't used in apolitical favor to gain more control over companies.
That's all I can say. Oh, I see what you're saying.
Okay, Yeah, I mean,I don't know. There's like these government
bills and stuff are all like totallyinnocent, Like there could be some shenandigans
(44:50):
going on behind the scenes. SoI'm gonna say I don't have any evidence
of that. Just something to thinkabout in your heads. Um. But
speaking of like other people getting involved, Canada has been involved. Canada's saying,
hey, look, we don't wantto get called our pants down,
so you know, maybe we shouldget on the same board of of you
know, letting things out at thesame time the US does. Yeah,
(45:15):
So this was a I think afew people have talked about already, but
we'll we'll sort of mention it briefly. Um, this was a Canadian I
think it was leaked. We talkedabout this before. I wasn't sure if
it was leaked or it was justreleased by the Canadian government. I think
it was leaked because it was aan MP in Canada, Larry McGuire who
(45:39):
was addressing another minister. Show methe ups, show me the UAPs,
is what he was saying. Andso this guy was like, UM,
I mean the the what would youcall this a some sort of document letter?
(46:02):
I guess an addressed letter to MinisterAnand it's not like hugely groundbreaking in
and of itself what it says,but I think the implications of what it's
hinting at, I think is abig deal. And I just let me
read this one paragraph just to highlightwhat it's sort of the meat and potatoes
(46:27):
of what it's saying. Here itsays, as Minister of National Defense,
you may not be aware of DefenseResearch and Development Canada. The DRDC has
participated in efforts to analyze UAP,which is publicly traceable to circa nineteen fifty.
So they're specifically mentioning that year.So I don't know if they have
(46:50):
that means they have some sort ofretrieved crash from Canada or they have the
open to it like this whole ideaback in the fifties. Anyway, interesting
stuff. So this recovered foreign materialis studied through the Five Eyes Foreign Material
Program the FMP so foreign Material programis a thing that I didn't realize was
(47:12):
a thing, and it was.Yeah, So the Five Eyes, not
five Guys delicious Burgers, Five Eyesis sort of a five guys. There
was an alliance between the US,the UK, Australia, Yeah, and
the Dirty Bloody Kiwi's the New Zealander'sLove You Guys and anyway, So it
(47:42):
seems like they were sharing this UAPmaterial, not necessarily a physical material,
but information between the Five Eyes nations. And it says in Canada, the
Canadian Force Intelligence Command aligned with severalintelligence sharing arrangements and treaties. I am
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writing to recommend your request classified briefingcontaining full sensitive and protected program information from
your officials on the Government of Canada'shistorical and ongoing efforts on analyzing recovered UAP
material. Don't you know, well, is that racist? No, I
(48:28):
think we're fine. Canada's pretty easyon this stuff. Canada Chief. They
talk like that in Wisconsin where I'mfrom, So it's safe, okay,
And that's basically Canada rights, basicallyAmerican geography anyway. So Canada's Chief Science
Advisor has also launched the Sky Canadaproject, which is investigating how the Government
(48:52):
of Canada manages UAP reports. Soit sounds very much like the AAO of
the Canadian version of that right anyway. So basically what this is saying is
that Canada is saying, Hey,if the US is going to release all
this shit, we also need tobe part of this. At least the
(49:13):
Five Nations, the Five Eyes nationsneed to be part of this and sort
of come up with some sort ofplan to be part of this disclosure.
Otherwise, you know, we'll getleft behind and people will see that we've
been lying to everyone, lying tothem together and hold hands. Hold hands
(49:35):
into the abyss takes a whole village. Let's talk about UAPs. Yeah,
So I mean, a more acknowledgmentthat shit is happening, That shit has
been happening since at least the fiftiesthat we know of. At least,
the actual government study of UAPs isa legit thing. So, like I
said, the implications of what thisis saying is more sort of amazing than
(50:00):
what the actual letter. It's prettydry, I guess, but yeah,
this is a this is the thing, like countries have been studying this stuff,
and I mean, this is justlike Allied nations obviously that they're talking
about here. But you know,we know that the Russia has a huge
UAP program um that came out recentlywith open about it. Though I mean
(50:25):
they've been talking about this stuff fora long time. M I mean,
maybe not some of the stuff thatthey really that they want the US to
know, as far as maybe somedown technology that they have that they don't
want to share, but they've definitelybeen talking about aliens a lot, and
therein lies the problem is the reverseengineered technology that comes from these things that
(50:51):
has, like I guess what Grierssays, has the ability Doctor Griers says,
has the ability to change the worldand profoundly amazing, wonderful ways,
but also has the ability to probablywipe that whole life on Earth as we
know it. So I mean,I get I get that secrecy, Why
(51:12):
you know why not, But man, I wish I wish humans weren't evil
bastards, you know, right,we could be doing some some wonderful stuff.
But yeah, we you know,war kind of rules everything. Well,
fear rules everything. I don't knowif you're gonna change that on this
podcast, right, But we aren'tgetting closer to something which is which is
(51:37):
some kind more information, you know, you know, every time we post
something and people say, you know, we've been talking about this for years,
is not going anywhere? And thenpeople say, is this disclosure?
I mean, the more mainstream thisbecomes, it is disclosure. Whether it's
announced publicly officially or not, it'shappening, happening now. That was one
(52:02):
thing I was thinking the other dayof when they do sort of drop the
big disclosure and it is sort oftrickling out at the moment, I guess
it's actually, you know, it'shappening, which is fantastic. But when
they do sort of we sort ofget the whole story of what the government
and I'm I know for certain we'renot going to get the whole story because
(52:25):
you know they're going to hold things, hold things back for sure. But
once we sort of get at leastsomewhat of a picture of what's been happening
behind the scenes without the majority ofhuman life's knowledge. I think people are
people have such as unwarranted I think, but solid idea of what they think
(52:49):
is happening. You know, wehave so many wacky stories of like secret
space program, whistle blowers and allsorts of nonsense like that going on,
and when you know, I thinkwhat is happening is far more sort of
you know, cerebral, interdimensional,you know, trouble understanding kind of what's
(53:12):
going on. But then the peoplewho believe that, you know, oh,
it's just Star Trek is happening behindthe scenes and we don't know about
it. I think there's going tobe that pushback from those sort of people
who are who are going to say, like, oh, no, this
is just more misinformation and we're justgoing to be sort of swamped and mired,
bogged down and more in fighting ofpeople thinking they know what's going on.
(53:37):
And you know, I don't know, there's such a distrust in all
this stuff that I think once wefinally get what the government's picture is and
I say that in quotes of what'shappening, there's still going to be like
arguments about like oh that's wrong becausealien beer and stuff. You know,
(53:58):
yeah, yeah, there's definitely justyou know, not disinformation with like Okay,
this guy worked for the government,but he's telling us the truth versus
this person. It's really just peoplehaving all sorts of opinions about stuff,
trying to take the narrative away.The thing is is that I think if
there's any subject to stay more neutralbesides other really huge human subjects, this
(54:22):
is another one. I mean,this is this is big. I mean,
like, don't believe everything you hear, even if you really really like
that person, you just really lovefollowing that person because they channel aliens and
they have all the answers. It'sthe most important, not because anyone's wrong,
but because if we're actually going toget any solid ground of moving forward
(54:45):
with extra trust, real life orany kind of craft, the most important
thing is to stay neutral. Itjust you're the whole community rips itself apart
constantly. You know. It's justlike, if somebody's getting ground, why
are we calling people out and sayingtheir disinformation if they're not really making any
(55:06):
dents in it anyway. It's justthe human drama, Like, I don't
know, I really want to getto the bottom of it, and I'm
passionate about it. And I'm fillingin the gap for Josh right now,
but but I am really passionate aboutit. Yeah, let's get this rant
Melissa rant going on. Yeah,I just really want like people to be
like, Okay, that's a reallyinteresting opinion. But but okay, let's
(55:27):
let's like, let's really think aboutthe big picture here. Let's let's really
be above that. Let's really getsome answers by not believing everybody. We
hear all the time talking about howthey have the answers, and then and
then we disc and then we canget rid of the fact of like so
and so's disinformation and making shit upor not or telling the truth. I
mean, everybody has a grant ofshooth and I think we have to respect
(55:47):
that. And of course people haveagendas and motives. But if you're neutral,
then you can see right through thatbullshit. Yeah, that's all I
gotta say. I think it comesdown to evidence, once we see some
hard evidence. But you know,having said that, even then people will
be like, oh, it's fuckingAI or they made that shit up.
It's a Hollywood film set or whatever. You know, there's never gonna be
(56:13):
a solid consensus on on what's happening. And maybe, like maybe, like
Jacques Valet said, that's by design, not necessarily by government entities, by
but by the interdimensional bastards themselves fuckingwith everyone's head, you know, right,
And that's all I got on thatnote. That's all I got.
(56:37):
The control system. Everyone, watchout for the control system. Stay in
neutral, you'll be in power.You'll find the right answers. Have a
good night. I know Josh willbe back. I know you miss it
because he was our resident dick jokereceiver is that's a show, right there,
(57:00):
Resident Dick cha Krasifa. Who wantsthat T shirt? Make sure you
message us so we know when wemake that shirt you're gonna get. Get
the first one. All right,everybody, have a good night. Watch
out for the control system, stayingneutral. You'll find the answers. We'll
talk to you next week. Goodbye,
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