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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Full up.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
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Speaker 3 (01:54):
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Speaker 3 (02:55):
Jason, Now you're doing brother the American way, except America
has gotten soft. Go out there, play hard, stick your
cleaves so far up their asses that they've got to
use to cleanse, to brush your teeth with. What's up, buddy?
How many days till football? It's getting close? That LATS
is firing me up for football six weeks maybe something
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like that. Yeah, you can't do it by six weeks, though,
you got to give me days, like I have to write.
There's some people that give you like the month, and
then like I need like the days under sixty days.
Then I start. It's close. We're getting close.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
What's what's interesting about the way football season hits is
it hits like it feels like a long way off.
Then it feels short, and then training camp starts for
college and pro, and then it feels long again because
training camp and the preseason feels long. Like the first
preseason games we love seeing football on TV.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
The Fame game coming up at the end of the month.
Ry the Lions are in this.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
One, so excited about it for a minute. By the
second preseason game where he's like, all right, enough of
this shit, let's let's get onto the first Lions preseason game.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Big night. You're almost lying if oh yeah, July thirty first,
and then the next one is just like, all right,
that's whence the season start.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, I think we've got some good, groovy don'n
it questions from our listeners. Today should be a fun
show a good, good mix of amashy football, basketball, Tigers, Lions,
some life stuff, some media feud type stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So it should be.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Good media feud. Oh no, I needn't handle media. Oh
oh media fewd too. There's there's get a little into
the old Ebling stout and we get into some some
ebling Mad Dog. It's good. It'd be good for the oversea.
Hope that show happens the over sixty five Crown. God damn,
I hope that show happens Clean mad Dog. I'm tuning in. Yeah,
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I would have they ever done a show together because
they were on the same Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I don't think so they went. Honestly, if you want
to go back and listen to the Mad Dog Ebling
interview that was happening, I think it was last week.
But they did mention they almost did work with each
other when U the local it was the local ninety
two to one station, when Veleni was still in town.
That's how long ago it was, Okay, like we almost
got together that Like, no, you didn't. You guys despise
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each other then what are you talking?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Can you imagine the two of them, Like just the
amount of airtime that'd be needed, you could have a game.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Mad Dog needs his own BC. Yeah, and Evelin talks
to so like you know old school mad Dog where
he's like firing on all B twelve shots. Yeah, is
not going to be able to compete with it with
Evelyn's monotone style. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Nothing like a podcast that opens with a bit on
two guys that most of our listeners haven't heard of
talking about old school Lancing radio.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey it's July baby, Yeah, he shows it for us.
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I want to see what this. I want to make
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Are we ready to dig into these these groovy donut
Twitter questions? Yeah, let's do it. Man Travis Maynard up first.
After the Gavin Shilling injury year, tom Izzo told me
he'd never be caught undersized and undermanned ever. Again, with
the Caleb Glenn injury, it feels like we're an ankle
away from being in trouble. What's your take on MSU
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basketball's depth? Is this the year the bench gets shorter?
Maybe that's good?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Well, yeah, I mean I don't compare to I don't
compare this to that year that they got caught without
a big man because and it's happened to him a
little bit before. But I do think that Caleb Glenn injury, certainly,
it takes away one guy that we were intrigued about
seeing a guy who is potentially a you know, a
good three point shooter, a physical wing. There's no doubt
(09:19):
that that's a valuable player for Michigan State. If he's
as good as they hoped, he would be him losing
him alone as long as other players work out. I
don't think is that big a hit. We talked about
one more sprained ankle. I do think this is a
year where you know, it depends who that sprained ankle is.
Is it Cohen Carr. I think that makes a big difference, right,
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I think I think they need tray for it to
be healthy and play well. So I think their depth
is different this year. That there are some guys that
you would see a noticeable drop off if there was
an injury. But I think that was the case last year,
Like they talked about strength and numbers, but there were
guys who when they you know, changed who they were
and were parts of their ident even when you know,
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so you know, they couldn't lose Jase Richardson, for example,
And I think if they had lost Jackson Cohler, for example,
because of his the way he became what he became
as a rebounder, in the consistency of that, and that
would have been felt right away, you know. I I
do think the depth will look different. I still think
it's gonna be what ten nine to ten deep this year, though,
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I mean, let's let's just go through it. They're gonna start,
They're gonna play Jeremy Fears at the point. They're gonna
play Divine at the is the backup point. They're gonna
play Tray Fort is the starting two, and they're gonna
play Uh. Kurt Tang is the backup too, right, So
right there, you got your four deep. At the two
guard positions, you're gonna play Cohen carr uh is the
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starting uh Wing cam Ward will be interesting is wing
four where he's at, But he's gonna play. Jackson Cohler
is obviously gonna play. Carson Cooper is gonna play. I
think Jesse McCulloch's gonna play, And so there is depth.
I think there are a couple of guys you know
in question, but not I think they're going to be
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pretty deep and will the minutes be as balanced as.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They were a year ago. I you know, I don't
know that yet, but I think they're nine ten deep
again this year. And you know, the question is, are
they as good back to the white elephant in the room.
They don't want to deal with the white elephant in
the room? Dominic Next, has your sloppy pizza eating friend
reached out to you since you doxed him over being
a pig? In your defense, though, I struggled with Bell's
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pizza after watching my stoner buddy have pepperoni grease all
over his face back in two thousand.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
And three, see it happens, you know, like it's just
you gotta be careful you eat with.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I And what time I mean, come on three in
the morning, that Bell's pizza get a little slack. Yeah. No,
my buddy has not reached out. I don't think he listens, fortunately.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
But I would. I would not red friend. But no,
he's well aware of how I mean I told him. Yeah,
I mean, I've told him since how much that turned
me off pizza. It's the only thing ever to turn
me off pizza. Like I'm addicted to pizza. And it
actually would be a good anti addiction tool if you
can see something just so disgusting. I mean, you know,
the reason I didn't eat Oreo cookies for seventeen years
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was that I ate a whole cookie jar full of
them when my parents were on a walk when I
was twelve years old, and I threw them all up
over my baseball cards and other things in my bedroom,
on the floor and everywhere.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So what you made you a chips ahoy guy? Yeah,
it didn't think you're acting as if like you just
don't eat cookies. It didn't create discipline and food with food.
It just said I'm not going to eat Oreos because
I you know, damn dude, no Oreos for seventeen years.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
But it's like having a twelve year old smoke a
cigarette so they never smoke, you know, or something like that.
Just turning people.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It's like when I had a sip of beer when
I was eight years old and I was like, oh
my god, that tastes gross.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Scared strip ever be me? Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah.
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Speaker 3 (13:32):
Is there anybody that you like watching them eat? Though?
Like I don't like I hate watching people eat, like
at movie theaters when the previews and people are snacking
on their snacks, like it gets really quiet in the theater.
Gives me this the skivies. Yeah, I'm saying, like it's
just like to your buddy, kind of defending them there,
Like everybody kind of eats kind of.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Gross, right, you may not like eating next to somebody,
but like chew with their mouth open, guy, But usually
you don't the Usually you don't leave the you'll disgusted
by the food because of the way they Usually you're
disgusted by them, Like it's a different kind of thing
for you to be such a heavy thing to put
on somebody Yeah, I just don't eat pizza.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Anymore because of you. Yeah, because of your face? Uh, Dominic.
If a prostitute asks you to be a reference for
her as she applies to be a street walker elsewhere,
do you say no because of the horring behavior she displayed?
Or do you have to say yes so she can
move on to the street corners far far away? Asking
for a friend And I'm not that and I am
that friend. He is that friend. It's what you want
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to get out of this, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well you want the whore to get away, right, so
get the horror out of here, So whatever that takes.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, lie if you have to as the reference. Yeah,
I don't even know if you have to lie. I mean,
if you're going out to be another whore to move
on to another street, you have to really embellish that much.
That's fairy, Dominic. Has Graham ever said maybe we'll do
that and never done the thing in his life once?
Trying to think King of string a lungs? Yeah, this
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guy a lot of things sound good. No, No, we'll
do that, No, no, no, was there a golf tournament?
Coaching golf tournament? Yeah, we'll do that and contest yep.
Prizes unknown. Yeah, it's fair Na there. I'm sure there
are things I just can't think of them. What time
do you want to do the show? One o'clock. I'll
be there. Very different now you're just yeah, okay, Dominic.
(15:24):
Do you think if mad Dog wanted to you could
have the juice to go ahead head to head with
Evelyn and when the ratings wore the math says that
would involve mad Dog getting nine listeners. That would be
a fun ratings war. I don't know. It would be
the time of my life watching the two go head
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to head duke it out. I don't know, just mad
Dog involved in any of it. I mean, I have
to say, be fascinating. Yeah, it would be. And by
the way, no one knew really like Hondo who he was,
so I think we can talk about mad Dog.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I mean people have the Google. You can look him
up if you want. And we had mad Dog on
the show once once and it was yep, it was
it was once. It was Yeah, I don't know, do
we need to go back and listen to it? May know,
it's like god tag it at the end of the show,
like I can't remember if I always think at the
time we had Clarian it and we couldn't get him
off the show, like we couldn't not but we were
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doing like hard out commercials back then and I couldn't
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
I think it was because mad Dog just wanted to swear,
like because he did regular terrestrial AM radio, so he
came out here wanted to like, you know, f word around.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I think the most interesting thing was mad Dog just
assumed that all our listeners knew who he was.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
It felt like, hey, wouldn't you if you were mad Dog? Yeah,
if you went by the name mad Dog, I mean
I would figure everybody knows me in the Lancing area,
Greater Lancy. All right, maybe maybe what old person habit
has snuck up on you. I like to have a sit?
What does that mean? Like you know, I like to
sit like Pablo Escobar, like staring out and you know
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in the swing set thing, just staring off and or
you're looking at your face.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, we went walking. Why I like to have a sit,
you know, like we're out and about I want to sit.
Let's have a sit. That sit sounds like a good
time to me.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Are we shooting the shit or I mean, how long
do we.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Have to we can have ice cream, we can shoot
the ship, but I just like to have a sit.
Whatever it is. That's that's definitely and that's an old
person thing. Well, I mean it wasn't me when I
was younger. I didn't like to have sits as much
do you have any.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I going to bed early. I think getting this Apple
Watch has made me addicted to looking down and them
telling me that great job, I'm getting seven hours and
forty five minutes of sleep. I like to go to
bed at like ten, Like it's just really it's really lame. Yeah,
I'm trying to think. But thankfully, like you know, the
driving like shit and driving real slow, old people's stuff
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is snuck upon me. It never will.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
There's a lot of a lot of me is still
hanging on to youth. Like I'm trying, like, you know,
still okay.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
With the age. I mean, I know, but I'm still good.
This is the best I've ever felt.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
So it's like I'm still saying, like recreational sports, why
still trying to do everything I once did? You know,
like all that stuff. You know, I'm playing softball. I
just got an injection into my hip the other day
so I could, uh, because I had some persitas tendonitis
in a glute and I was like, this can't be, Like,
I can't, I gotta, I gotta get back. So you know,
I'm willing to do all. If this doesn't work, they're
sending me to Europe for like the Kobe Bryant treatments
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you know where they.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Not the helicopter in Germany. Oh yes, but you know, yeah,
God damn, why'd you got to bring up the helicopter
in Kobe Man? Sorry? Yeah, rest in peace? That still
hits hard. Maybe me, b would you party with your
boss or bosses? So this is you know what this
is about. Did you see this the other day with
the Oh my god, it's the only thing I fucking
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heard about. My wife is all over it. The cold Play. Yeah,
the CEOs because she talks to a lot of those
people in those higher up positions, so she's fascinated.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
So the CEO of a company was at a cold
Play concert and he had his arms around his HR
director and both of them were married to other people.
And the big screen, you know, the the whatever it is,
the JumboTron, they get put on the JumboTron and if
they hadn't panicked. They would have been fine, but it's
the level of panic. It's like, oh my god, they're
on the jumbo tron. One spins around one like drops down.
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And if they had just acted normal, I don't know
if anybody would have known anything about it.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
I thought they were embarrassed because they were cold Play fans.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That would have been funny if that's what it wanted.
If it would be funny if that was actually a
husband and wife and they were married and they were like,
oh shit, we just got busted at a cold Play concert.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
But wait a minute, you're up in a box now.
I apparently there was other co workers in the box
and they were you know, so there were Are they
really trying to hide it? Obviously from their significant others
because the people you work with meet your significant others.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
So that's that's what's praising about it. Well, there's a
lot that's praising about it. But that's what's really bad
is you're, in a sense, you're putting these other people
who who know you're married, like and and know you're
cheating on your spouse openly. You're putting them in a
tough spot like that's kind of bullshit, you know, like
you want to do your own thing, like whatever. That's
everybody should live their life, and I'm not I wouldn't
suggest you should cheat on your spouse. What I'm saying
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is like, what you do behind closed doors is your business.
But when you do something like that, like with other
co workers who know that's not your spouse, who you
have children with, and other things like that, just I
don't know. But to the question from Michelle for maybe
mebe here, I would absolutely party with my bosses in't havelf.
I mean they were at my wedding. I've partied them
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on like gatherings, like like holiday parties. And Joe Rexrod
had fourteen going away parties before his ass finally moved
and one of them I remember being at and with
with all of them, and so yeah, what LSJ throwed
down there, they're great. Yeah, Well, we just I have
good bosses and they're fun to hang with. And the
other thing we don't do is bring our mistresses and
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people were cheating with to these events.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
That's what we don't mean. You'd have to have someone
you know attracted to you to want to do that. Well,
that's fair, but some of these people are attractive my bosses,
my opinion, who's whiter the zone or the LSJ staff? Oh?
The zone? I don't know those photos are updated since
I've put them my digital frame.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Look, I'm not saying I don't know. I'm not saying
we are winning with diversity, but we have.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
We don't even know. You guys are placing in the
top ten. Well, is the whitest staff I've ever seen? Again,
unless it's that they've guys have updated your staff since yeah,
we have, we have at least one do you have
at least one three minorities on our staff? And we
only have like eight people on our staff anymore. So,
like it's not that at least the staff of I
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thought you guys were like seventy five strong.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
We're not that big anymore. Oh No, we're we're we're
we're we're we're speaking more in the dozens range in
these days in the newsroom at least. So yeah, yeah,
so yeah, but yeah, compared to the zone, his zone
is like a freaking clan rally. I mean, it's just sorry,
I didn't mean fix that post.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Sorry, Jake. Next, all right, we always joke about July topics,
but I genuinely want to know your guys' answers to
these July topics since this July Number one Pete Rose
in the Hall of Fame? Yes or no? Two? What
is your Detroit athlete Mount Rushmore historically and in your lifetime?
And three the go to type of pizza.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
All right, let's hit number one. Pete Rose hall of Fame?
Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yes, Yeah, me too. How can you sit there and
have all of the gambling stuff surrounding not only sports
but in baseball telling me all about parlays and who
this and that? And I have Pete Rose in the
Hall of Fame And the thing he is dead and
you can put him in well even before you could
have acknowledged that, you could have banned him from baseball
and still put him in the Hall of Fame. You
don't have to like approve of what he did or
not like the Hall of Fame. To me, you're talking
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about the all time hit king. You're talking about one
of the greatest of all time. Like it's what he
did on the field. Yes, you know, if you want
to have a little asterisk, you know thing or plate
in there or plaque or whatever you need to do
to make yourself feel good about it.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Put him in the Hall of Fame, Detroit athlete, and
you could have it. So he didn't get the I
mean even when he was alive, Like I think it
doing when he's you know, dead is less effective. I
mean it's it's kind of an extra kicking the balls.
But but you could have had it where he got
inducted but wasn't able to give a speech. He was
just inductive, it's part of the class, but didn't wasn't
actually able to be That would have been something, all right,
Detroit athlete Mount Rushmore. So we're talking four people. If
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you have four people Detroit athlete, Mount Rushmore, Isaiah Isaiah,
Barry Sanders, Easy, yep. So those are those are two?
Do you have to go with one from every sport
or do we go from well, you have to.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Go Tiger somebody. Yeah, I mean in our lifetime, is it?
I mean I would put Ernie Harwell up there, but
I know he's not a player, but he was definitely
a guy I associate with the Glory Days because you know,
nineteen eighty four, I was five years old, so I
can't sit there and I love Trammel and Whittaker. When
I was a kid. I guess you could put either
Whittaker or Trammel.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Tramicker's got to go together. Yeah, it's a good question
with who the who theer it's got to go. You
have to have Ierman up there. Okay, he's got to
be one of the guys. So if it's Isserman, and
then it's can we have Trammel? Can we always have
over Gordy?
Speaker 3 (23:53):
How?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah, I guess I'm saying my lifetime Okay, you know
you could go Yeah, I would not be mad at
you if you went with GORDI howe legend?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I mean, obviously. So here's here's what I would also say.
If you're doing in your lifetime the eighty four Tigers.
One of the things that sucks about that for me
is that I don't remember them. I was I was,
you know, four or five years old, and I remember
things around then, but I don't remember like I remember
like my kindergarten crush, But I don't remember Tigers winning
the freaking World Series somehow.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
But you remember the like the eighties with Trama and
Whitaker and going to Tigers Stadium and going to games
cecil Field.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
There was a huge star for me. In my early nineties.
But that's a moment in time when you're a teenager.
You could see, you know, the Verlanders coming to you know,
Miguel Cabrera. Maybe is it they didn't win a World Series?
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I thought about Maggie, but yeah, the Fat years and
plug I like, listen, unbelievable player when he was here,
triple crown, what.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
About but got back to back, got the GM years.
Does that take him out of you know, like a
valid I mean, I think it's it's tricky, and the
question is if you just yeah, I think Barry is
still it. What'll get interesting, though, is and we talked
about my wife. One of the reasons it's easier to go.
(25:04):
I would say, Miguel Cabrera best hitter I've ever seen.
And also I don't remember the Tiger's previous world series.
If the Lions are to win a super Bowl, though,
this becomes an interesting discussion because Barry to me is
like Barry's Barry.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
He's there.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Except now if you've got like the who would like
who would be the face of this Lions era?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Right now? It's our core foundation man Dan Campbell, d
C Yeah, Dan Campbell, Yeah, Dan Campbell might his face
right up there. Yeah, I think Dan Campbll would have
placed Steebui. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, that would
be like, well, go to type of pizza Detroit Style.
I mean it's easy. I defend Detroit Style. It's one
of my favorite out of the When I go I
have to go to the in laws of Illinois and
(25:45):
I tell him how shitty their pizza is. Yeah, yeah,
Detroit styles the best. I like a lot whatever's right
in front of me. I'll be honest, like I because
I was struggling with this. I was thinking about this
when I saw this quite a bit. It's really, what's
whatsever right? Your top two? Then?
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean I love, I do love Detroit Style. I
love I love deep dish, but I love I love
a thin crisp too. I love a good pan pizza.
I mean it's it's you know how it should be
the easiest to take his pizza orders. Well, that's the problem.
I just get five slices or whatever. If I'm in
a group where they order pizza, I don't want to
be the one making the decisions because other people are
far more picky than me. Like I like a pickle
pizza from sleepwalkers in Rio Town. Yeah, great, if you
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haven't done it all right.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Chris Eastlick, did we really need more McAfee invading our
lives at the home run Derby?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
It's see a lot of people don't like him. I
don't mind McAfee, and I like him in certain settings,
but there are there is a case of oversaturation. Nice
for anybody, Yeah, and I think they're reaching it with McAfee,
and they need to be a little careful because what
you don't want to do is lose the effectiveness in
the lore of people enjoying him where he's good. I
think he's really good on college game Day. I don't
watch his show daily, but a lot of people do.
(26:52):
And if he does the daily show and he's doing
game day, I think that's the sweet spot. I think
when you start bringing him into everything and then some
people like him the w Doe stuff, that's fine, whatever
you like him, But this, Yeah, but McAfee makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Like when we talk about Skip Bayless, I can't find
one Skip Bayless fan, but McAfee has a lot of fans,
and I, like you said, I understand it. I don't
watch him whatsoever. I don't really the game day stuff.
I can't really tolerate any of that pregame stuff anyway.
So I thought he did a good job at the
home run derby, you know, doing the whole introductions and
stuff like that. I feel as long as you keep
(27:23):
it to that, but you just have to watch out
for the steven A syndrome where you just put a
guy anywhere just because and does he fit in that
in that element? Yeah, And McAfee, I feel like he
can fit into more of that stuff because he sensationalizes
a lot of the events that he's at. Steven A
is just sitting there and he's showing up and he's
tired because he's doing sixteen hour days and you're like,
is he doing politics? Not? Like, what the hell is
(27:44):
going on?
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Speaker 3 (28:53):
Kurt was Newski, next, first Gus, then Klatt, now Dave
Portnoy on Big ten New Saturday. Come on, might as
well add Desmond smart by Fox though I thought that
was very smart. I honestly, Portnoy going there, it really
means that you're not gonna watch any pre game Big
(29:14):
Noon Saturday stuff. Like I don't mind barstool stuff. I
don't really pay attention to a lot of it. I
think it's amazing what Portnoy has done with that barstool
brand and company and all that stuff. He's about. My god,
I cannot again smart for Fox. I thought it was
a brilliant move from what they had, that terrible programming
they had used to have on So's.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
It is a lot of a lot of Michigan. It'll
depend how he does there. And again, if you're Big Noon,
you're trying to make a dent in the ESPN, which
has done the McAfee thing. This is your McAfee is
what you're trying to do. I don't know if he'll
be good or how good it'll be, and then maybe
it'll work for them. I don't watch Big Noon, so
that that's their problem they have, is like I don't
usually watch either one of the shows because I'm headed
to a stadium somewhere, or even if not, if Michigan
(29:55):
State doesn't play at noon anymore, that you should play
at night. It goes up against Premier League Oker, which
I mean, it's just not there's no competition. But when
I do watch one of them, I'm watching Game Day
and and I think that's the problem Fox has and
a lot of it stuff and so like this is
an attempt to uh to draw a new audience in
Portnoy has has loyal followers who who will will watch.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Kurt was new ski Levy will add a ton of
value to the Spartan Stadium concessions. What would you like
to see on the menu? Graham and j Nick Groovy donuts? Yeah,
play and simple. They want to be in there, and
I you know you you you want to. You want
to win me over groovy Donuts. And it's not because
they're a great sponsor and great friends of ours, but
like it's for sure on you'd want to.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
It's a value and something different. Yeah, it's it's uh,
you know we talk about the melting moments. If I
could get a groovy donut and a melting moments on
a Saturday, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
No, you can't do your own voice. Jebediah Jason, did
you know Hondo lives in ovid that having Hondo as
your neighbor wasn't on your twenty twenty five Bingo card, Oh,
because I love the twenty twenty five Bingo card. There's
a lot of guys that look like Hondo in OVID,
that is for sure, especially the one where the picture
that I have on the digital frame of Graham and
(31:12):
Rex Road with Hondo wearing whatever the fuck outfit. He
was wearing the rod bibs. Yeah, yeah, the bibbs with
the speaking of Jebediah had the Jebediah beard. Yeah at ah,
what a picture anyway, the Hondo carpenter of Southern Main. Next,
what does it say about the equality of my character
that I was live betting at midweek USL League USL
(31:35):
League One match. Hearts of Pine got the result. So
that makes up for losing money? It says you're smart,
because let me tell you this, the money to be
made is not in the biggest events. It is in
knowing the smaller league as well. Now, if you're just
doing it because there's nothing else on and this is
a dead week and there's a USL League one match
(31:55):
and so you throw some money on it, that's not
smart because you don't know either what how that's gonna happen.
But it's like, like, if you want to make money
on tennis, it's not betting Wimbledon, the US Open, French Open,
Australian Open. It's betting you know this week in some
random town somewhere where there's three events, one's of clay,
or you know there's three events this week, two clay
events and one in Mexico on the hard court. Those
(32:16):
three events, that's where the value is. It's knowing those events.
It's the same with you know, mid major basketball if
you really know it well, or USL League One soccer.
It says good things about you. It says you care
about your finances, is what it says. This is a
good This is a heady financial move right here betting
on us L League One match. As long as you're
doing your research.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm never going to financially recover from that.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Sparti barb. Next two in the hell is Liz Frank.
I hear Jason reference this name to foot injuries. Who
is this person and why do they represent in pending dooms?
Get that pitch out of here, Liz.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It's the name of a very specific foot injury, and.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
It's one that only happens in the Michigan State basketball.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, and it's not actually spelled like Liz Frank like
you would Liz and Frank. It's l I A S
f R I n f r A n C like
like a French Frank like so you know ten so
like Liz Frank, like ten francs might save my poor cosette.
That that uh, that would be. Yeah, it involves. Yeah,
(33:20):
it's a serious foot injury. It's not actually what most
of the m s U players have, but it's it's
a funny thing.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
They only get this Liz Frank injury. Yeah, that's what
we said, no other schools. Professor. What was the last
movie that made you cry? What's the last movie? I saw?
The Equalizer? One, two, and three. Each one made me cry. Yeah,
I'm not kidding a tear.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
I don't even want. I mean it's it's there's so
many and so recent and so frequent. It's just not
just give us one. Well, let me look at give
me some hof for a second place.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
What are you looking up for what you viewed?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, I am the passage absolutely, I mean fucking everybody
masturbaits Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I mean I'm pretty sure.
I shed a tear watching The Life List with my
wife a few weeks ago on Netflix. She was laughing
(34:16):
A no, I'm pretty sure we both were.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I kind of hide it.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I put my hand up on one side of my face,
like so nobody knows.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You know, there is nothing more that you could show
someone that you're crying than doing that, though you might
as well just stare, but it's not obvious. I just
want to make but if you're doing like this kind
of whole thing like yeah, dude, like is he crying
over there? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I don't cry often, Like I mean the amount of
times I've cried in my life, you know, I mean
we're talking. You know, Alan Houston leaves the Pistons ninety
six over here, which is not an emotion that I
that happens a lot. But the what unless unless I'm
watching certain you don't have any emotions. No, I'm just
saying that's not how I how my emotions come out.
They don't come out in tears, even when I'm upset.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Well, I'm not saying you have to cry all the time,
but don't you see when you see something emotional, you
guys watch a lot of that Hallmark right in my list,
the life list. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, I'm not so always.
So you're saying every day when you hear something sad,
I mean you're sappy. Or yeah, you're joking about Kobe's
death in a helicopter earlier. Fair, I mean, Jesus, that
wasn't cold blooded? All right, Jared? Who needs more luck
(35:16):
to win a championship? The Tigers are the Lions, the Tigers.
I don't know the Lions too, I mean injuries and
all that shit. I mean, but I feel like a
game elimination at least you're playing as a series of baseball.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I feel like the Lions are more likely to be
the best team in the NFL than the Tigers are
to be the best team in baseball.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
At the end of the year. We were one of
the best teams in the NFL last year where we
got housed at home by the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
But and had bad luck though, horrible injury luck. Horrible
injury luck. I mean, yeah, but that's just bad luck
that you didn't You needed no luck. You needed luck
not to happen like that. You what the the Tigers need,
because I think the Tiger there will still be even
if they have the best record in baseball. There will
probably be two to three to four teams that are
you know, the odds will have them beating the Tigers
(36:04):
in the seven game series. I think the Tigers will
need more good fortune.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Original Dark Mantonio. A few weeks back, you mentioned that
your softball team got moved up a league and we
get killed. I don't recall any updates, So how is
your team fair better than I thought? Yeah, we have
not won yet, but we tied a game against a
good team, and any fights were competitive. Last night, we
got down nine to nothing in the first inning. I
thought we were gonna be no fights. I thought we
were going to be in big trouble in mercied and
(36:31):
we lost like thirteen to eight, and it was ten
to seven at one point, So yeah, we'll not best
the mercy rule. It's like.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Fifteen runs after four innings, ten runs after five, and
we played all seven last night, so we were fine
thirteen eight and against the best team in the league.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So we're we're It's all that diversity on the LSJ staff.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Well at the LSJ softball team. I'm the only person
on the LSJ on the team, but it is pretty amazing.
I mean, there are lots of people used to work there.
It's a lot of former people we brought in over
the years who were ringers and then and former employees,
but of actual people who are employed at the LSJ currently,
I am the only one.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
So it technically shouldn't be the LSJ T.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
We have jerseys and they pay the team fee, so
we still call it the LSJ team. It gives us
some credibility.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Smart original you ask if Izzo knew about Carson Cooper
shooting these threes at moneyball. I was always under the
assumption Izzo was at all of the moneyball games. Is
he not? No, he is not.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
The coaches weren't even allowed to go to moneyball games
until somewhat recently. And now you see assistance there. But
Izzo I don't think is ever has ever been the one.
And so yeah, and Cooper, I mean he's been doing
it at practice, so that's why is O no's But yeah, no,
is always I've never seen is O at the moneyball
(37:51):
prom and if he's been there, it wasn't the day
that I was there.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
It's the American way, except America has gotten soft Steve
next of the recent Spartan basketball transfers would be the
most and least likely to attend is tho'se Alumni grind Week?
And why.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
So guys who left with a bad taste and and
or will never never come back. That's a good question.
Guys who've left and really, you know, like there's a
you know, I don't like Pierre Brooks, like, you know,
I don't he went to Butler for a couple of
years and and and I don't.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I thought it was all good with Pierre. Yeah, I see.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
I think Pierre over time would would come back. Yeah,
has or no, it's maybe I've come back for a
game or maybe I missed something. Yeah, you know, I
think even Xavier Booker, I think, you know, I mean,
I think when you look at guys who are like
just left, things might seem raw or whatever. But a
lot of these guys do return. That's a really that's
a really good question.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
I think Booker, if he does well at U c
l A, would come back. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
And I think he'll come back anyway. I just think
his relationships aren't It's not like he has a poisoned relationship.
I mean, he worked with these guys he lived I
mean it's it's he's not thrilled the way things ended
or went for him at m s U, and MSU
is not thrilled by the way they went either, But
that doesn't mean they don't like the kid. I mean,
I always really enjoyed talking with Xavier Booker. I think
(39:14):
he's a good dude. I just you know, it just
wasn't ready to be the player that he was hyped
and they needed him to be, and that he was
paid to be.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Karla Lee next on your episode right before your vacation
earlier this month, you all mentioned a long standing beef
between Stout and Ebbling. What's the elevator's speech on the feud.
I love it. I love it. These are two old
guys in a land scene market that have been doing
it for way too long, and it's just fighting over
sponsors over in the area pretty much. I mean, is
(39:46):
that what it is? A sponsor fights? Oh, I would suspect.
I mean, I honestly, in all the years I worked
with with Tim though like he never mentioned Jack once. No,
I think working with I did a show with Stout
five days a week. I think the feeling is much
more on Jack side. Yeah, I mean, like just to give.
I mean, like when we were all doing Ebling Show
(40:07):
back in the day, and this was right when Ebling
started doing the Drive with Jack Ebling and we were
on the radio and it was me doing Tuesday Retro,
did Mondays, I did Tuesdays, Mike Griffith did Wednesdays, recoded Thursdays,
and Tom Crawford Prime Drive with Jack Prime Drive with
Jackson Friday. But I remember that was like an exclusive
(40:27):
deal we had to do with him, like he was
paying us. But I couldn't go on the Huge. So
it wasn't just against Stout, but I couldn't do the
Huge show for a while, which ticked off Huge. I
couldn't do like even appearances, like fifteen minute appearances. And
then the biggest one was it was you know, you
couldn't Like I remember Stout calling to ask if I
come on Stout on Sports and things like that, and
(40:49):
I'd have to tell him I can't do it unless
you're gonna, you know, pay me or whatever. Hey, big guy. Yeah,
I felt bad. I didn't care. I don't.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
I'm not part of this feud, but Ebling was. But
I always thought that that whole exclusivity thing mostly had
to do with Stout, like to make sure that we
were to him Stout show.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Because we I don't know, I just always felt like,
why would you care if you're gonna have the same
person on if you do the better interview, people are
gonna listen to your show or whatever. Right, does it
really matter that they go on Stout show or your show?
Or people will go, you know, oh, he's on Ebling.
You know, like if Brendan Quinn does Ebling show, that
doesn't mean I don't want to have Brendan Quinn on
this show. Yeah, well in twenty twenty five, yeah, nobody
(41:31):
gives a shit it. Yeah right, I would say it
back ten years ago that even then, it's like, but.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
I feel like Ebling's missing the mark by not doing
like Twitter questions himself because a some of his people
might not be on Twitter, but the but the question
about Stout would be a good one and he could
answer it himself.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Would he answer it? I don't know. Maybe he doesn't
want to ruffle any feathers, not with mad Dog coming
up that I mean, what if there's a whole reunion Stout,
mad Dog, and Ebling, Holy shit, I got cousbumps. Yeah,
be over what's the name of that retirement village? Over it?
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Sorry, don't take that out, Please take that out? Fix
in post dude couches on fire to them and awful man,
he's grumpy dude, Mark Schneider. Next, how important our phone calls?
On sports radio?
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Mike Vlenny gets upset anytime he sees a topic and
then nobody calls calls in. He also uses that as
an excuse why he can never talk college shops except
for tournament time. He's still belly aches even then. About
call volume.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah, I mean, we obviously don't do calls because most
of our listeners aren't live. So the groovy donut and
the twitter questions work better. What's that they mostly stick? Yeah,
it's just not so. The beauty is, if you have calls,
it's ar random and that's part of the excitement of
a call show.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
If you like, I don't. I hate listening to call
call in shows. I do not like.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Now occasionally you get a good topic that leads to
a good discussion. But that's the whole idea of the
of the groovy donut, Twitter questions or even the hot
takes on on on Mondays, that we're able to frame him,
edit them, you know, and put them in different orders
to get the discussion we want and whatnot and skip
some if we need you know, need be and things
like that. Yeah, it's just I mean, I guess they're important.
(43:09):
I think it's It's obviously a format that's worked for
ages because people have done it, and the ratings all
in every you know, and lots of But no, they
just feel like you have to do it. You have
to talk to talk to the people. And honestly, you know,
I think it goes fifty to fifty. I think fifty
percent of the callers can be good, informative and fun.
I do listen to Villnny occasionally when the Lions are
(43:30):
in season. I like to catch up on you know,
the Detroit area stuff like that, and he does talk
a lot of Lions, So I do like to tune in.
But like you said, when some callers call in, you're
just like, ah shit, you know, And but I know
that you have to do that if you're doing a
regular radio station thing on terrestrial radio. Yeah, you got
to take certain calls and you Yeah, I think Detroit's
(43:51):
a big.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Enough market where you can get enough to where they're
going to be at least decent, I guess yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
And the other thing about it is, you know, you
sort of what you talk about. It's sort of a
self fulfilling prophecy, right, So I mean Mike Vleni doesn't
I don't doesn't talk college hoops, so people don't look
at him for college hoops. So he doesn't have that
audience people want, you know, if you don't ever talk
about something like when if if all of a sudden
(44:17):
we just started talking only about Michigan football on the
show instead of Michigan State, we wouldn't have, you know,
the audience.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Be like what we don't want?
Speaker 4 (44:25):
You know, So that wouldn't be the audience you know,
like or only about soccer, you know it would you know?
Speaker 3 (44:33):
This is not a good analogy. Let's move on. Mark Schnyder,
have you attended Media Day in Vegas? And A where
would you like to stay on the strip? And B
where would the lsj's budget allow you to stay? Had
you attend it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:45):
No, it's next week. I'm not going to Media Day.
You know, I've stayed the strips sometimes. Isn't that expensive?
I haven't been there in a little while. Uh, like
I've stayed to Bally's before, but I would probably stay
at a Marriott property and h lsja's you know, they
trust me. I wouldn't over overdo it. They if you're
going for you try and get it a under two
(45:07):
hundred dollars a night if you can do it. But
you're going to say someplace safe and you know, and
sometimes they have a media rate to at these things
in like a media hotel and the things in a hotel,
and you try to stay right there. So that's that's
where it goes.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
The less chase.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
LSJ is good about things. They don't make you stay
in some CD hotel long way away for you know,
say fifty bucks.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
They've been good. Mark Snyder. Why isn't the Don Johnson
Field House the permanent home for Moneyball?
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Well it I think it's too big. I mean it's
see it's forty five hundred. The key to moneyball is
the vibe and the energy of the building. And Holt
High School is big, but probably about as big as
you want to get. It was great when when the
you know, when they were at Aim High and there
was a little smaller setting, but yet people standing around
the bleachers were packed like that was a really good vibe.
(45:54):
Holt Works, it's got air conditioning, it's a good place.
It's it's good parking. But I think with Don Johnson,
you know, that's why there are other things going on
there at times too. It's it's probably more expensive in
terms of the deal. And and you know, keep in mind,
like Moneyball, the program is free for viewers for people
going to watch, so you can't really have something that
(46:16):
costs the pro am a lot to book. And I
think the field House is probably not probably not as inexpensive.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Mister Benjen, Greetings from Athens, Greece, not Georgia. And why
does fan perception of MSU football seem to be doing
a U turn this offseason? I hope you're enjoying Greece.
It's awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Well, the last point I want to make a marks
thing on the field house too is I think there's
they have after school so if they have a lot
of stuff going on till five o'clock plus there too
they have programs for the school district for Yeah, it's
it's so that that might be as well. Why is
fan perception change of IMAGY football or why is does
it seem to be changing and doing a U turn.
I think the June recruiting did a lot, and that's
(47:02):
you know, whether those kids actually end up signing and
playing an MSU, who knows. I think the feeling that
the new ad situation and the sense that there's you know,
new energy with boosters, none of that has anything to
do with what's gonna happen on the football field this year.
None of the not the recruiting, not the I'm talking about,
(47:22):
at least not this season. But I do think when
it feels like there's somebody in charge that people trust
right now, and they don't know Jay Batt that well yet,
but there's a sense that this was a good hire
and that the things that need to be done will
get done. And then you have a decent recruiting month,
which makes it, you know, coincide. There seems to be
(47:42):
just a competence at that and so I think people
are starting to feel a little bit better and then
things just ebb and flow and it's a long offseason.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
Mister Benjen, have you been following these NBA Summer League
any Pistons takeaways?
Speaker 4 (47:57):
Not like I used to do that much. And Ron
Holland looked good and the one half I watched of
a game, but no, not not Jace Richardson. I've watched
a little bit when he was playing. I mean, that's
going to translate that looks he looks good, but not
a lot of Summer League.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Ben Jen. What's the first program? Insert southern voice that
JJ bat will cut?
Speaker 4 (48:20):
I love how we just read this insert southern voice
and don't switch to it. Well, could you do a
southern voice? Do you have a southern voice in your
do I need to read? This is?
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Uh? Which one? What? What am I reading? What's the
first program that JJ batt will cut? Yeah? You read that? Uh,
what's the first I don't what's the first program? The
JJ bibile cut? There you go, what's the what's the
first program? I am the JJ bibile cut. It's not
it's no Aussie Jason, No, No, that one's more fun mate.
(48:54):
Oh yeah, or Michigan man, what is this? What is
what are we doing here? Just trying to Yeah? Sorry, Mike. Okay.
By the way, someone had a personalized license plate in
the parking ramp down there. It said coach k I
walked up. The first thing I did, I go, No,
just randomly like, what is wrong with me? First of all,
(49:14):
who's coach? Who's coach K? Maybe it's license plate no
Toyota selica. That'd be a good good it's happened to
coach K. He's got a gambling problem. Why is he
driving the first?
Speaker 4 (49:28):
You know, it's it's it's a good question if any,
if all these sports last, if they're able to. I
think what will be interesting is, you know, they're going
to figure out over the next year plus whether the
number of sports they have is sustainable in this model.
And I don't I I would guess that the JJ
batt doesn't know that for sure yet. M issue because
(49:48):
he's just getting to look at the books. He's just
you know, his his group of people that he trusts
and conversations with the coach. He's just figuring out. And
then this is revenue sharing is all new and there
are things are changing with it by day, Like there's
lawsuits about the clearing house that judges and il deals.
So how much more is this, how expensive is it's
going to be, How will that impact other sports? If
(50:11):
a sport is to be cut at Michigan State, at
some point you have to think about how much things
cost right, and you know you don't you don't want
to cut a sport that doesn't cost a lot, Like
how much does cross country really cost you? Thirty three cents? Yeah,
it spends on scholarship dollar. I mean I've always thought that,
you know, they're not gonna If they're not going to
(50:32):
invest a lot into wrestling, why.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Are they doing? I like the way you say wrestling.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Yeah, that would be if I if I had I
was putting betting lines, i'd put wrestling onsling.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
D MB couch. What have you noticed about the j
bat era at MSU so far? Nice to have real
concessions coming. Imagine if there were enough porta John's available
during tailgates and from Brian, do you think he'll make
parking spaces bigger?
Speaker 4 (50:56):
He'll be out there like Kramer, you know and Seinfeld
when he went out and he adopted a highway and
he was riding along the road and he was making
the wider lanes. You know, it'll just be j bad
at night with the changing the space. If you make
the spaces bigger, there are fewer spaces and it's actually
less helpful for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Or the people parking there would really love you. That's true.
I mean you have to look at it that way. Yeah,
I don't I don't know. I don't know what uh,
what it'll do and what those concessions will you know? Yeah,
I mean wouldn't it be great though? If you're coming
into a situation and you know that if you just
do a couple of things, people will absolutely love you.
Speaker 4 (51:30):
Well, that's what I Yeah, if I'm an ad coming in,
I'm like, the thing I want to tap into right
away is where are fan frustrations and what can I
easily leave that that makes sense for me, that's going
to make financial sense for us. And all of a sudden,
you've got people on your side and you do a
few of those things, people like you, you make because
what you're doing is this is what they call them politics,
kitchen table issues, right, It's like you do things that
(51:51):
impact their lives, people's lives, and they're on board. They
think you get it, and maybe you do. And I'm
not I'm not saying it's a it's a fraudulent approach.
I'm just saying that.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah. And so I well, you don't want to overpromise
and not come through that's true. That's that's what goes
on in politics. That's my thing. I was going to
find out about aliens are real, and I've just been
lied to here.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, yeah, I know it. What have I noticed so
far about the Jaybat here, I've noticed and look, I
have not even spoken with Jaybat yet and and hope
too in the in the coming weeks here, but but
I've noticed that the mood has changed, that there is
a I've noticed there is a connection with with with
boosters that seems to be reignited or at least an
(52:31):
energy there. I've noticed a fan base seems invigorated about it,
and and those are those are good things.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
Mike Scott next is aident. Child's a legit NFL prospect.
Speaker 4 (52:43):
Yes, because to be an NFL prospect, I mean there
are things he has to do to become an NFL player,
But the tools are there. That's the first step. If
you don't have the arm and you're not or you're
immobile or whatever it is like, you're you're really going uphill.
So the things that he needs to be good at
decision making and mostly a big part of its decision
(53:05):
making and reading defenses and things like that, you know
that stuff that we'll see if he does well, but
at least the from a physical standpoint, he's absolutely an
NFL prospect And and you know what if JaMarcus Russell
can be And I think the NFL has gotten smarter,
but like, uh.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
Have they had Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 4 (53:27):
I mean it, Jack Wilson, right, Aiden Childs is going
to be an is going to be a draft pick
that that just one talent alone. Whether he can, whether
he's a guy who's a really coveted prospect, will depend
on how he does those other those other.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Areas Bulky Bartacamas next. Last July, I asked you if
Sam Levitt or Aiden Childs would have a better season,
if I recall you, Graham couched it and said it
could go either way. Now that we've seen each for
a full season, does Child's match reached Levitt's production slash
team success this year? I I don't know.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
I haven't looked at what Arizona State has. You know,
you know, I'm a big Sam loved guy. Now he's
got that l way look to him or whatever it is.
You know, it's just the way here's a there's a
swagger to the way he plays, and I saw it
right away. At Michigan State, thought he'd be really good
and and it turned out to be the case. At
Arizona State. I think Childs has a chance to have
a great year. I do. And I think he's you know,
(54:22):
he's a third or second year starting quarterback, third year
college quarterback, third year basically in a system. He's got
a quarterbacks coach who I think is who's not the coordinator, right,
so that there's a little more really honed in teaching
of him. You know, I think he's got a chance
to have a great year. I think Sam Levitt's going
(54:44):
to be an NFL player too. I think he's really good.
So I don't I don't know what what he has
around him this year, but I imagine if that program
is because you know, you heard their coach complaining about
nil and situations like that, so I don't know how
much they lost. But if he's got any sort of weapons,
Sam levit's going to be tough to catch.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
The bottom line is I could see that game going
one way to the lot. David Jackson. Next, would you
log on the fire keepers app and make a wager
on this bet? If such existed with pickamots. Who would
you take and why higher quarterback rating in twenty twenty five?
Aiden Chiles or Bryce Underwood?
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Aiden Chiles And I'd put my mother's house on it,
damn because he's a freshman. I mean, I would people
need done and may If Bryce Underwood's great as a freshman,
then he is truly truly special. But he could have
a He could struggle this year and still wind up
being special. You just do not see a lot of
true freshman quarterbacks, and once in a while you guys
who just haven't it but who are pretty mistake free
(55:44):
and are really really ready to go. Maybe he will be,
But I'll take the guy who's got an NFL arm
and good mobility and is a third year quarterback in
a system who's got I think good weapons around him.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
Is Underwood still fat? I don't update on that. Not
seen the ladies anymore. Okay, next one from David. Keep
it in mind that a year ago Bias and Torkelsen
left the lineup because they couldn't hit. And we're not
on the playoff roster. How long can Meadows and Vierlin
bat sub two hundred and not only stay on the
roster but keep playing Yeah, that's a good question. I
(56:18):
don't know about Verle. Yeah, but Medos, I mean, they're
gonna try to right as long as they can.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
The thing with Meadows is last year he wasn't playing
well and then all of a sudden he was just
amazing and he was he was the engine, he was
the catalyst, and and he's so good in center field.
Now they have depth a little bit, so you know,
you might give him more days off. You're certainly not
gonna may pinch hint for him and do things like that.
I think they want to give Medos every chance because
especially since he started hurt to.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
And Baiez was so bad. I mean, are are these
guys Bayaz bad? Where you knew you watch Baiaz and
he's blindly cutting doing the three cut strikeout. Tork was
obviously you could just tell something was wrong with him.
So are these are those? Are Medos and Vierling those
guys right now that were last year? I don't. I
don't see that, but I think that they're gonna give
(57:04):
him some time to kind of work out of it.
But yeah, I mean Verily, I don't know. H David Jackson,
how many current NBA point guards would you start today
over peak Isaiah Thomas. Who are they or should I
say who is he? I mean fucking nobody. You're talking
about peak Isaiah?
Speaker 4 (57:22):
Yeah, not many, but he was, he was, and and
the point guard is different now because like Luca is
the guy who handles the ball right, and so it's
a little different the way the game is played. But
like true point guards like to me, Isaiah Thomas is
still arguably I mean in Steph Curry, is he a
point guard like you know? And and again current and
(57:42):
he's not in his prime anymore either, if you count
Steph Curry is a point guard, I would take prime
Steph Curry probably over peak Isaiah. But Isaiah is in.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
And Isaiah was a good defender too, right well he
I mean, these guys don't defend anymore.
Speaker 4 (57:55):
But and he put his own stat like like magic,
he put his own stats aside for for for the
sake of the.
Speaker 3 (57:59):
Team, in his own health. Yeah, can you imagine he's
not even talking about the sprain ankle eighty eight on
the list of points.
Speaker 4 (58:06):
Greatest NBA players ever under six foot five Isaiah Steph Curry,
like these are these are there's a it's a it's
a this is a Mount Rushmore. He's on that Mount Rushmore, right, So, like,
but NBA point guards, I'd start over him. Boy, I
I don't. I don't know that there are any I mean,
(58:28):
but you're talking to two guys here who were nine
years ten years older and the bad boys like we are.
We are biased as hell, like it is like Isaiah
is how we learn to love a side.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Though, let's talk about Yeah, I mean, come on, Isaiah
is one of the best points all the time. Yeah,
God damn, I missed it there, Parker Wise. Next, have
either of you ever won any sort of raffle or
door prize, et cetera. There has to be a story
worth telling with this question or a time you didn't
win and it still eats at you. Hashtag July topic.
Do you have something I don't ever? I never win
(59:04):
the raffle or door prizes? Yeah, like t one a
YETI cooler once but it was like this, like it
looked like Michigan Colors. So we gave it to Michigan
fan Jordan. So that's the most recent one. Sorry, it's
not a great story, but we just could not have it.
We could not sit there and have that in the house,
or take it somewhere and PLoP it down. I mean
(59:26):
it looked like you plopped it down. You look like, Okay,
here's a Michigan fan. So we had to get rid
of that one. But I know I don't never win
those raffle door prize things.
Speaker 4 (59:34):
I have won eating contest, but I have not won
the Yeah, I'm trying to think of it. I know
I've won little things where yes, you won the raffle
or you won the but I have not one have
not won a lot. Yeah, there should be something. Is
there one that eats at me? I mean every time
a fifty to fifty drawing happens and I don't win,
(59:54):
I'm like, why why didn't I get the right numbers?
Why did the person give me a different numbers? But
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Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Question, Skyler Verden. Next, I started betting on the Tigers
right before this started, this four game losing streak. Why
is the right move to continue betting on the Tigers
until I make my money back? That sucks. I have
had that happen.
Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
It's the worst because you feel like they've won fifty
games and somehow you've gotten the four they've lost and
you've lost, and it's you know, baseball is a long
haul thing to me, especially with the way the Tigers are, Like,
I don't know how far above five hundred they're going
to be the rest of the year. So you have
to think about that, what do you think they're going
to be the right of the season.
Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
We had Chris Castellani on Wednesday's show, and you can
listen to that interview, and one of the things he
brought up is the idea that you know a lot
of those teams beneath them are going to be trade
you know, trade deadline sellers, so they might have some
easy series, some easier games and maybe They've got a lot,
you know, of good things ahead, but they haven't made
those trades yet below them, and the Tigers haven't made
(01:05:23):
trades to improve the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
I don't know if going to the Rangers right now,
i'd be on the Tigers or not Ree Olsen. If
he's back and the pitcher that he was, that's great,
but you just don't know that yet. I'd be apprehensive
to keep. But as soon as I say that they'll
win the night, it's really a crapshit At this point.
I would be less inclined, though, to be on them.
Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
John Noughty Next, if the NCAA vacates Michigan's national championship
three years of wins and such, and concludes the Michigan
players knew all about the cheating, would that change dual
Wolverine lyon fans opinion of Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
No, it's weird because we, you know, you get Michigan.
Michigan State fans hate each other. On Saturday and Sunday,
everybody comes together for the Lions, at least people in
this state who care about the Lions. It's there's like
a it's just oh.
Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
You mean so like normal people. Yeah, well yeah, well
it also just speaks out childish and stupid. Some of
the rivalry stuff is because it's just I'm not saying
it's not real. I'm not saying that people don't feel
it viscerally, but like as soon as somebody is on
your side for your team and helping your team win,
it's it's so you're saying there's people celebrating when he
(01:06:29):
broke his leg. No, I don't think, not one person.
You don't think there was one person celebrating. Well you
a real asshole if you're doing that. There's no assholes
out there are a lot of on Twitter, John, what is
the Please give us Matt White scandal pardons? Were Harbaugh's
doing at the White House? I don't know?
Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I mean he's he is he a Harball was at
the White House. He was at the White House. There's
a story. It was aggregated by m live here. I
took a surprise visit to the White House this week.
Joe the coach and his brother. You know they're in Baltimore,
the Ravens brother. We're both spotted exiting the West Wing. Yeah,
(01:07:11):
they didn't say what the meeting was about.
Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Who knows. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
I trying to get inside the brain of Jim Harbaugh
is not something you know, I really want.
Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Why wouldn't he be at the White House should be
the question. Yeah, I would expect old Jim bow to
be there, absolutely, Max. Next, isn't there a collective collective
bargaining agreement in baseball? I'm sure that the players and
the other three major sports didn't want a cap, but
we have what they have one. Why don't the owners
hold firm and demand a cap? With how high salaries
have risen, I'm sure that fans of most teams not
(01:07:43):
in New York or LA would be good with one
with a cap. With a cap, the Yankees and the
Dodgers wouldn't be able to buy everyone, and we might
not have to worry about the loss of schoobl As
Sean Windsor pointed out, there is a three million dollar
difference between what the Dodgers and Tigers per win this season.
Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
If it gets to a point where the only way
there's ever gonna be a salary cap, and the Baseball
Players' Union is the strongest of the players' unions, and
so I just don't think it'll happen, you know, because
once that happens, you can never get it back to
I think they would hold firm on that. The danger
is when you do have some teams and the Dodgers
(01:08:23):
are taking it to another level in terms of their
financial wherewithal if it becomes where you know, fan bases
resent it and check out because of it, if it
ruins the sport.
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
The thing to this point though, is, I know the
Dodgers are the best team, but there have been a
lot of mid market teams and smaller market teams to
win World Series. And is it harder to sustained over time?
And I think that's where people get frustrated. But in
Detroit you ought to be a place you can do that.
Here would be my thing. I would be careful about
drafting Scott Boris' clients. And I know he's you know
(01:09:01):
that it's got enough that maybe that's a dumb way
of approaching it, but it would annoy the hell out
of me the way he handles it. If I was
a team and I would be, I would, I would.
But what if you draft a player and they switch
over to Boris?
Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Yeah then that's tough. I mean yeah, right, So I
don't know what the answer is. Yeah, look, I wish
there was some.
Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
Level of, if not a cap some mechanism that you know,
at least like financial fair play, stuff like you have
in soccer, something that prevented the Dodgers from just doing
whatever the hell they wanted as much as they wanted.
Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
But it doesn't exist. Jackson, m next in your career,
who has been the best editor you've had and how
have they impacted the way you write? Personally? I love
me some Barry Keel. I too, love me some Barry Keel.
He's my direct editor, has been for the last most
of the last twelve fourteen years, said Barry's burners Jackson.
Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
I was Barry's burner. Yeah, no, I love Barry. Barry
manages people well. He he's he's good with ideas, he's
you know, first of all, he's a guy who survived
in Getnet for like thirty years. You gotta have a
lot of talent skill, so he would. He's been unbelievable
to work for and he's a big reason why I'm
still at the LSJ. In terms of impacting my writing.
(01:10:16):
That's a good question. I don't know if it would
be somebody well, they're actually my executive editor now there.
Stephanie Angel. Early on when I started, was an informer editor.
Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
But you know, you say people don't know who Dave
mad Dog DeMarco is.
Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. I've
had some people who gave me some good advice in
column writing. I had some people early on, I would say,
and in Kalamazoo that were helpful in certain ways.
Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Did you win in like an award or is this
like an acceptance speech? Yeah? Sorry, let's move on. This
is your life. Thank you, we'll fix this a post Scott.
You we know Cohen Carr is working on improving his
elbow jumper in three point shots. Where would you rate
him as far as his ability as a passer As
he develops his jumper, how crucial does his passing become
to find open shooters? His defense gets more intense on him.
Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say he's a connector yet
in terms of his passing, Like I mean, I don't
think you know, he's not somebody who's a black hole.
He's not somebody where that stood out is like, oh
that's an issue he missed that he doesn't see that. So, yeah,
it obviously if you can if you can create on
the drive, which we haven't really seen him dish on
(01:11:25):
the drive, and I don't know if that will be
part of his game. I'm not as worried about that
because he's not somebody who they need to be a connector.
They need him to be a physical, ruthless driver to
the basket and a capable shooter when the ball finds him.
And yeah, but I don't know that's a good I mean, obviously,
if you're a great passers, that's an unbelievable trait to have.
(01:11:47):
That's why certain guys get drafted, to why certain guys stay.
Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
In the league.
Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
It was a big part of it's been a big
part of Draymond green success is that the way he
sees the floor and all that stuff that would help
concar mentally over time. But I don't know that that's
It's not something I've paid a lot of attention to
to this point, and I don't think it's the biggest
component that he needs to continue to improve on to
become the player as she needs him to be.
Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
It's got you next. I have asked in the past,
we're the best campus game day experiences in the Big
Ten and settled on Madison and Lincoln. How is MSU
viewed by others in the Big Ten, alumni and or
media as a place to visit as far as a destination.
It's a good question.
Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
It helps now there are more hotel options around East
Lancing because more people are staying near there. A lot
of writers for a long time would stay out in
the west side of Lansing, near Horocks and those hotel area. Yeah,
I mean, it just wasn't a lot of stuff here. Well,
a lot of Marriyout properties. Let me be clear, there's
only one. The truth comes out. Yeah, there's not a
Marriot property. There's not a hotel. Just sleep in a
sleeping bag on the street.
Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
But the U.
Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
So yeah, but it's a good question. I don't know
where it ranks. I know some people do enjoy it.
But you know, I'll ask around this year and and
get a sense of that a little bit, because I do.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I do.
Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
I do wonder that myself a little bit. Where I'm
in Lancing to me, is you know his home East Lancing.
I love this area. Madison and Lincoln are are are
good choices.
Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Though LMK next to coaches, the teams and moneyball.
Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
They're not coached. I mean that Rico Beard. Yeah, they
used to be coached, like Desmond when he played, he
like they used to have coaches, and like Desmond, who
runs the leader? All right, guys, let's dee up. Yeah,
and he played in coach. Well, you decide who's in
the game, Carson Cooper. Let's shoot threes today. Let's shoot
some threes. Yeah, yeah, they went else. Yeah, that's why
they don't have coaches anymore. You don't need them.
Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Scotty Green's alchemino do you care about? The SP's typically
a yawn fest, but I have to admit Shane Gillis
was funny as hell, and it was very satisfying to
see them roll out that skeleton Lea Corso knowing we
don't have to witness elderly abuse on Saturdays anymore. Is
that true? I didn't see the course a bit. I
didn't see it either, But I mean, does that mean
that they I thought that he's still going to shove
(01:13:58):
him out there. No, No, he's just in like one
game and then that's it. Oh, that's it. I think
that's it. Yeah, I think he's just he's retiring after
one game. The Gillis was funny. I did see. I
didn't watch it live, but I did see clips same.
Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
I saw the clips and enjoyed most of them. You know,
there's some stuff that you know it was that shocking
to me. I didn't think that you would enjoy. I
like parts of Shane Kills. Gillis is like anything, there
are moments where you cringe, but also that's comedy.
Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
The Shane Gillis really bring us all together. I gotta say,
I'm not I'm fully admitting that I did not expect
you to say that you like Shane Gillis.
Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
I like Shane Gills. Yeah, now I find I find like,
but I find the art of comedy. Like I can
appreciate even some people that aren't like my favorite or
people that I don't necessarily agree with on everything, Like,
I I appreciate that you're like, I don't mind people
pushing the envelope. I don't mind roast. I don't mind
things that get a little cringe worthy once in a while.
I think people have to understand that's what somebody's up
there to do. They are a comedian, right, Like I'm
(01:14:50):
not sure if I was a real big w NBA
fan that I would have loved. Shange gillis entirely in
his come on. That was a funny, but some of
it was fun and you saw some w NBA people laughing,
you know, like I, you know, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I felt bad because I think he feels like he's
got to apologize before he even tells the bit or
I didn't write this or something like that, like just
you know, as guys that don't like where I don't
really like dressing up. He just looked uncomfortable and that
tal But.
Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
I liked it because that part of it is him
meeting the audience where they are like to me, if
you kind of can tell it's a nervous audience about
you and not everybody appreciates you, sort of saying I
didn't we should have cut that one or this one.
Doesn't you know it sort of says this is an art.
We understand that these are these are they're pushing the
envelope that there is.
Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
A team of writers that do write for you know,
some people get to put stuff in I guess.
Speaker 4 (01:15:40):
Right, right right, And then he throws people under the
bus when they don't they don't do well.
Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I love that. Oh my god, Shane gillis bringing America together.
Tell your people couch you know that you can actually
have fun and laugh every once in a while.
Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
The problem is, though, and this is what a lot
of television has an issue with, is I didn't watch
it either. I don't want I'm not going to watch
the sps, but I did watch the clips, And so
what value to advertisers and other people actually get out
of that?
Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
I don't. I didn't care about the rest of it.
The Megan rap or pinot One, Oh no, she's not
a fun time. We're gonna miss her. I mean, come on, Rippino,
is you know? Uh, Thomas, if you were collecting baseball
hats from all of the MLB teams, which ones would
you skip? I got a White Sox hat last weekend
despite being a division rival, but never planned to get
(01:16:23):
a Cleveland hat. I'm too old for this shit, Thomas.
I don't I love that. I feel like you're gonna
get them all though, Like, why wouldn't you just get
a Cleveland because you hate hate the Guardians? Well, no,
if you don't like the hat, you don't like the logo,
you know what I mean? Like if you don't. But
if you're collecting baseball hats from all of the MLB teams,
I feel like you're going on a journey to collect these.
Why are you? You know? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Like, I mean, and I'm like anybody that I like
stuff that's still the same from when I was a kid,
Like the Orioles hat helmet hasn't changed really, right, Like
I love that helmet, that white with the orange, you know,
and I love the old Blue Jays. I love things
that I recognized as the helmet when I was twelve.
I I like now and I think a lot of
us are.
Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Like Jase hats. That's a nice hat. Yeah, it's great. Yeah,
Matt's Graham. Can you figure out what the plan is
on defense for MSU football when it camp starts, ROSSI
needs to answer some hard questions like where does the
pass rush come from? When they did next to nothing
in the portal and the recruiting hasn't been there. Can
(01:17:21):
the ls J hire Mattsy is a great question? Ask
or great softball player now from the can help your
guys softball team? And then you can just fire him
down there to talk to ROSSI. Yeah, Matt, Yeah, be like,
be like Joe. You want to you want to have
a conversation with the biggest dick in the media corp here.
Just kidding why you point out Salari?
Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
Oh no, hey wait no, I'm just kidding, Matt. Your
questions are pointed. So to your question, Matt, though, which
is which is fair? Can you figure out what the
plan is on defense? I mean the plan will be
he has a defense that he's run for a long time.
The plan will be to run it like they did
last year, but with success, right, I mean that will
be the plan. And so I don't know how you
(01:18:05):
answer questions in camp. I don't know how you. I mean,
camp is not like open practice. It's it's there's nothing
that's going to be satisfying in camp. There's nothing that
I would trust in camp. It has to happen on Saturdays,
and it has to happen against high major competition. Because
we also saw a year ago there was a point
where they were really successful getting to the quarterback and
(01:18:26):
then that faded away, like we need to see it,
you know, when they start playing Boston College and then
USC like those games, it really matters that they can
still get to the quarterback. That the pass rutch is there.
But until then, you know, you can say what you want.
You can say and you may hear tea leaves that
somebody's playing really well, or this looks like the type
of player can can solve this for them, and that's
all good. You file that away and you may write that,
(01:18:48):
or we may discuss it a little bit that this
is somebody'd pay attention to. But to trust that something's
going to be there and for him to have a
satisfactory answer before it actually happens is absolutely impossible. There's
just there's no question. This isn't you know, some point
of question on some scandal like they want they try.
I mean, he's been a successful defensive coordinator who had
a plan last year that only worked against lesser competition,
(01:19:09):
and that's so you know his plan will be for
it to work this.
Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Year next one from Matt Sea Graham, do you realize
the way Michigan is covered, where every scandal is swept
under the rug, feeds into the general distrust most people
have of the media today. Speak up and save your profession, Graham.
All that's needed for evil to prevail is good men
to do nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
Yeah, man, I don't think like Michigan has not gone uncovered.
I think it's not been covered as intensely as Michigan
State people would like.
Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
I'm not talking about Michigan.
Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
The question would really be if you're not a rival
of fan of michig if you're not a high state
of Michigan State, if you're a fan of Illinois or
Indiana or not even you know, if you're just a
person like how you've that because the problem of being
a Michigan State fan, and I have an opinion on this,
is you don't have any credibility because you see you
(01:20:06):
know you're seeing. You see blood, you're out for blood,
and when you don't see blood being drawn, you're like,
fuck this. The media is soft and that's a very
biased way of seeing things. Now, I'm not saying that
Michigan has always been covered with the critical eye it
should be, And certainly Michigan has a larger contingent of
(01:20:27):
fan media and people who are Wolverine dot Com, Wolverine Wire,
Wolverine This, the Wolverine whatever it is. Uh, you know,
go go blue blog, blog blog, blue Blow, and so
those catchy names. Those people are never going to cover
Michigan with a critical eye, especially this stuff, and they're
always going to defend Michigan because they're only doing the
(01:20:50):
job because they're Michigan fans. It's the whole reason.
Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
And that's that's okay, that's their rule. They're not hiding
from that. But there's a large contingent of them. So
it's you feel that momentum. The independent media as it's
supposed to be, you know, the Detroit Free Press, Detroit News,
m Live, be it, the Athletic if they're around any
degree and in that sort of space. National media, their
jobs are to cover this, and I think recently there's
(01:21:16):
been decent coverage of it to some degree. And I
haven't looked and read it everything, and so I don't,
you know, I don't know exactly what's been done, but
in terms of the white stuff and other things, I
think there's been a decent I mean, there's a sense
that things could really come down on Michigan here and
we'll see it could go either.
Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Way, right Matt, See, Jason, doesn't ja Nick in the
Rube sound better for the show name? Just saying loll
also that would make you the Rube? Yeah, money bag?
Do you think Wojo would have at least given the
story a retweet if an MSU coach was sued for
allowing someone like Weiss to coach in a big game.
(01:21:56):
The bar is so low if you're giving the Detroit
media credit because the Rookie Order, with two hundred and
fifty followers, wrote a story for the Freep.
Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
So a few things on this one. I don't know.
I don't know when. Let me look at wo Joe's
last week. Let me see when I find it here.
Hold on off, I see the.
Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Stars come out of the sky. Yeah, the bride and
hollow scot you know, it looks so good to nice.
Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Pound the bushes.
Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
All right, So he's he's been, he's been working. Sometimes
you don't know if people are off or what's what's
going on. Let's see we didn't get any uh I
am the passage he got?
Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
So look, I'm not here to defend wo Joe. I mean,
but in terms of defense, I have to sorry. In
terms of the rookie Rookie reporter thing, a couple of
things to not one. Twitter is important if you're independent media,
like completely like you're not working for anybody, or you
maybe have a sub stack, or it still has some value.
(01:23:08):
It is almost no value in more legacy media types
like the Lansing State Journal Detroit Free Press. Those are
big platforms who get ninety five percent of their audience
another way, and it's less and less has anything to
do with Twitter. If I left Twitter tomorrow. I like
it because of the interaction with people, and I like
it because we use it on the show. It does
(01:23:31):
not drive traffic anymore. It just doesn't. And I don't
know if that's just because Elin when he took it
over and where things land and how often you see stories,
and I don't know, but it doesn't have near the impact.
It would not matter one bit if I got off
Twitter in terms of our overall views and audience. And
so when you have a platform like the Detroit Free
Press Detroit News, it doesn't matter if it's a rookie
(01:23:51):
reporter or anybody else. How many followers they have is irrelevant,
Like most people are getting to that story a very
different way, and that person's job is to cover the situation.
And again I don't would have Wojo tweeted it if
it had been I don't know. I mean, he certainly
slants Michigan winds up going to more Michigan games than
MSU games. But I think one thing to know is
(01:24:15):
Twitter is I like Twitter for the sense that if
you tweet something, it shows you're acknowledging it, but its
impact is so little these days. It's just not real
level to Most people are not getting their news on Twitter.
Most people are not learning about things from Twitter. It's
less and less all the.
Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Time, money Bag, have you made any progress towards a
sit down with j Beatt?
Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
I have not hoping to have one in you know,
the next few weeks here, or at least one with
a group of us where you have some time to
really get to know him and ask questions. And when
that happens, I will write about it and we'll talk
about it here and hopefully it'll be a good discussion.
And there are lots of things to get to And
one of my favorite things about this show and favorite
things about Twitter and the interaction with listeners is that
I have a good sense of what's important to you,
(01:24:59):
and part of that's from here, like you know, the
stuff with Connor Stallions and CMU and all that, especially
the CMU component on my own because I didn't care
that much. I don't think it was the drum beat
on here from people who were just angry about it
that led me to look into it because nobody else
was and last summer and get the ball rolling on
(01:25:23):
some of that and like I but yeah, I look
forward to that discussion and I think, you know, there's
a lot of good stuff to ask and and I'm
you know, looking forward to getting to.
Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Know Matty ban next. How do we know Malik Beasley's
entire financial history a few days after his investigation is announced?
But no one on the Michigan beat can be bothered
for months about weiss Er stallions and Graham has to
get ten thousand sources to run his story.
Speaker 4 (01:25:51):
Oh, it was good work on the Beasley thing pretty quickly. Yeah, No,
that was that was well done. And because there were
records of things too, I think that's why the easy
thing happened. Yeah, the person is just a better reporter
than I am too. It's a fair Life is not fair.
That's the thing I'm taking away from this segment of
the show is life is not fair.
Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Maddy b Herbstreek called out some innocent sports center anchor
for being too much of a fan on the air.
Does this boob remember he sits a few seats down
from Desmond Howard every weekend. Yeahn't.
Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
I didn't see that, But that's not It seems a
little enough of Herbstreek calling people out.
Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Listen to Herbstreet. You do a good job when you
call games. Just stop talking outside of that. Yeah, we
don't need to hear what you have to say. Show
us your dog and then just don't say anything else.
Couch on Fire. If this MSU football goes sideways and
Jonathan Smith is let go, do you think MSU will
regret hiring a second John Smith.
Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
I don't think there will be a third if it
goes sideways, and that would be unbelievable. It would be amazing.
If there's another job, we should look up and find
out if there's a John Smith. There's a few. I
did look it up video. Okay, there's a couple. Couple kid, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Couch on Fire. Most important tiger in the second half?
Who is it? Is it? Parker Metal? I mean it
has to I'm still the answer from before we took vacation, right.
I think Parker Medals is the guy. Like I said
that everybody in the locker room talks about is a
guy that can put us over the top, so we
need them.
Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Yeah, I mean there are a couple of different ways
to look at it, Like Parker Medals is the biggest
variable maybe, and that makes him the most important. You know,
you could argue scooball just being a stop, Like you
see what happens the other day when he has an
off day, and you know, I meant I was disappointed
in the way they moved his start up a day
so that he could start the All Star Game. I
thought there was a bullshit reason to do it. And
(01:27:31):
he didn't pitch well that day, and he didn't pitch well
in the All Star Game. Either would waste total time.
But the point being, like, you see what happens to
the Tigers when they don't have that ace stopper that
starts winning streaks stops losing streaks every five games, And
so you could argue it's it's just him, you know.
I mean, Riley Green's been great and all that. But
(01:27:53):
I agree with Young Medals because I think I think
the Tigers' ability to reach a level where they're really
scared every playoff team is probably requires I don't know,
requires but it would help big time if he was.
Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
He was hitting well, Jay Rieman Schneider. Next are the
reasons Santa Onho got rejected by Florida, the same reasons
why you dislike Southerners and hard right conservatives.
Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
You know, I don't know all the reasons. From what
I heard, he was everybody around here that the line
was he was not somebody who stood for anything. He like,
was very agreeable and just sort of worked his way
up politically. I don't know if that's true. I don't
know Santa Owno himself. That seems like a good way
to put somebody down, the guy named Santa. Yeah, And
I don't dislike Southerners. I dislike the South. That's there's
(01:28:38):
a distinction there is. I mean, I feel bad for
those people. I really do. I mean I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
I mean, technically, mad Dog is a Southerner. He lived
in Alabama for like five years. And I have more
conservative friends than people probably think. Jay Riemenschneider, Jay Jason,
do you hate all kids or is that you just
never wanted to sire any? I definitely want never wanted
to sire any. I don't hate all kids. I love
my nephew dearly. He's six years old. He's a tank,
(01:29:04):
sixty pounds already, kids already got the stature and everything.
I'm like, oh my god, please play football or basketball.
I like kids, you know obviously that aren't mine. And like,
you know, my friends Jordan and Sam, our friends Jordan
and Sam, they just had a little baby. We went
visited them on the two week break. I like seeing
the baby and sitting down and having someone hold like
hand me the baby. And then I get up and
(01:29:25):
we leave and they have to deal with the baby.
You know. I don't despise kids and root against kids.
Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Babies are hard not to enjoy when you have no
responsibility with them, because.
Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Even younger kids, because younger kids can be fun when
they're not just annoying snot rat like little kids, but
you know when they're fun and they like to do
fun things. My nephew likes to do fun things. So yeah,
it's just great to hand the kids back and go here.
I don't want to do deal with that. AQ next
love the show GC, but have to say Rubes grumpy
ass show after show is starting to get old. Oh man,
(01:29:57):
he might have to increase his MGS that toned down
his kind bad mood that clearly comes out on the show.
I have not noticed this bad mood. AQ. I don't
know who that is. I've never been in a better
mood in my life. Yeah, I've never been in a
better point in my life. So I don't know where
you're getting that. If you can give me an example,
but I don't, I'll take some more MGS, I guess. Yeah, huh,
(01:30:17):
I need an example. I don't know is it. Are
you a Savannah Bananas fan or the Bengo card twenty
twenty five person?
Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
I like, I just like those two things. So yeah,
I would not describe you as grumpy. That would be
the last thing I do. I'm way grumpier than you.
I mean, that's winter time. You know that we have
great weather. I mean life is good, man, I'm enjoying life.
Hans Jerry And is Jonathan Smith gone if MSU is
for four and eight or worse? Yeah, I mean I
don't think it's that simple, but it would not be good.
(01:30:46):
Like again, I think the the money is the big component. Like,
so why are they four and eight?
Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
Are they four and eight? Because he lost the team
and everything he did the staff some things aren't working,
which obviously they wouldn't be, are they four and eight?
Because like eight childs is lost for the season week one,
Nick marsh goes down week four. You know, like they
you can see a scenario where four and eight happens,
and it's like, man, that was a snake bit in
(01:31:12):
the year, and and you still owe the guy thirty
three million dollars and so you're not gonna you know,
if they if everybody's healthy and like you know, you
got players cursing at the coaching staff on the field
and the whole thing's falling apart, then you'd have to
look at the I just think the record itself is
because again the money, Like if there was zero money
and zero contract involved in Michigan State went four and
(01:31:33):
eight this year and you have a new ad, you
would certainly say, well that the reason would stand that
they'd probably look in a different direction. But that's just
not the reality. So it's the money component of that.
You want to make sure that you don't have the
right coach if you're going to make that move.
Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
Hans Jergen. If Cooper and Fears hit thirty three, thirty
three percent of their threes. Does MSU win the Natty?
It would?
Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
I mean, it would help if in fears it more
than that last year. It doesn't take many, so I
mean the real question is and again that alone would
not be it. Those aren't the key components. They need
guys who can shoot. But there are other guys. I mean,
I think Jeremy fear is raising his game consistently. Is
a point guard? Cohen Carr raising his game, Jackson Cola
raising his game. These things are more important to that.
Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
If Carson Cooper takes you know, makes twenty threes this
year and shoots sixty, that would abstually help. But that's
not going to be why they why they win the Natty.
Hans I just said the word natty. We'll cut that
in post. Why is that offensive? I just don't like
the word. It's national championship. Sounds like a freaking nineteen
year old bro natty.
Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
This guy, Hans Jergen, ten years from now, if your
role at the LSJ was reduced, would you leave or
just collect a paycheck until sixty five? Off? They'd have me.
I just collect paycheck out? Who doesn't want to collect
a check? Yeah? Until sixty five? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
No, I would just Nepling tried doing that though it
did not work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing that usually happens, though,
is that they reduced my role. That would be the
beginning of them getting rid of me. So I don't
think they would have lest trick around.
Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
Yeah, I would. They reduce your role like Graham, we
don't need you cover in Michigan State anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Yeah, we're just gonna have you do less but pay
you the same. And they're not going to do that.
They would be like, all right, your time.
Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Is up, Hans. What is your second favorite city in
the up M That's I don't Yeah, I actually don't.
Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Marquette is by far the first, you know, would it
be Immunising's okay? You know, Shussein Marie. Maybe I haven't
spent much time there. I have to say the place
I want to spend more time than I haven't been
that could potentially be it is up to hoton Jake Hawkins.
Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
There's some speculation that Nick Saban isn't done with coaching.
Not that I'm expecting it or want Jonathan Smith to fail,
but if Saban gets the itch to coach again, is
there even the slightest chance he could return to Michigan State.
Speaker 4 (01:33:48):
The man's getting close to his mid seventies. I just
just tell us to say yes, yeah, no, no, it's
not gonna happen. No, No, I mean obviously the j
Batt relationship, like save, if he was ten years younger,
I think would have been an interested in Michigan State
years ago. I think it's a job. He looks like
it wasn't finished. But I just, first of all, I
don't think he'll coach again. And I know the Jay
(01:34:11):
Batt relationship with Saban is there, but Michigan State has
a coach. But you know, obviously the timing would have
to be perfect in the end. I just I just
can't see somebody of that age being the answer at MSU.
Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
Jake, we all know the offensive line is key to
MSU having a winning season and going to a bowl game.
Which of these O line positions do you think matter
the most? Tackles, guards, or center?
Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Well those are all three. Well give me the rank them. Yeah,
i'd say you tackle. I'd say, you know, tackles are
I mean, interior line matters, but you know center is
the most important. The Jack Conklin era really taught me.
If you have a, you have a left tackle, you
have an offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Next one from the Hawk. Do you think Stanton Raymond
can become the player MSU fans hope for and be
a very good bookend offensive tackle if he stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
I've I think they like him a lot. I think
he's been very good and and and so. I you know,
again with the whole offensive line, need to see it
on on Saturdays. But he is one of the reasons
that I you know, when you think about areas of
concern for MSU, I think of the defensive line before
the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Next one from the Hawk. If you had a choice,
which particular car brand would you like to see make
a comeback Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn or other?
Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Well, Marion o'smobile shirt today so nice. That sort of
sums that up. Lancey saw this question. He decided to
put it out.
Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
I did. I did put it on. I was like,
how to help put the Osenvieel shirt on just for you.
I gotta say I miss the Saturn. I've I owned
a Saturn back in the day. Very those are good
running cars. Those things can run for like three hundred
thousand miles.
Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
But Osmobile's just a Classic. It's a lancing car, it's
a you know, we're Osenbiel Park where you know, I
don't know Osmobile's we need.
Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Delta eighty eight, you know, next one from the Hawk.
Thoughts about CBS's latest decision of ending the Late Night
Show with Stephen.
Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
Colbert next year, Yeah, I mean it's I don't know.
Why do they have to wait till next year? By
the way, it's a good question why.
Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
You have a dead band walking on your air for
another until next May?
Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
And the timing of it sucked because it was right
after he criticized their settlement with the Trump administration with paramountains,
So it's I are people watching though, Well, that's the thing.
If if it's not financially.
Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Late night shows, Kimmel Fallon.
Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
Well, you're talking to somebody works in the newspaper business.
So we're trying to hang on to ship here. I'm
not I'm not. I'm not against holding on to something
that once was a good medium. But yeah, it's a
good question if it doesn't make financial sense, and that's
not the way people are. You know, I don't know.
I don't watch Colbert, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
Couldn't Colbert just do whatever he does now and put
it on the internet and more people will watch. Put
it on YouTube. No, these plays you know what we
were just talking about. It gives a shit about CBS.
You were just talking about the idea that Twitter doesn't,
you know. I mean, these platforms still have massive audiences.
They do, they do. I don't see it. Is this
like Jim Nance lying to me, like fifty five people
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million people can't be wrong with Queen Latifa is the equalizer? Yeah,
all right, keep lying to me. Upperdict your guy. What
aspects of yourself do you hide from others? And how
would your life change if you stopped hiding? What do
you hide?
Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Was he saying you're gay or something? No? Just what
do you hide most about from other people? What's your secret?
I really don't have it on this show, just anywhere,
just in life. I don't think I hide anything from
it like I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
I mean, I share my food addictions. I'm about to
say what the show like crying watching Netflix rom coms?
I mean, I think.
Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Worse than your crying on rom coms is the fact
that you had a list of what you've been watching
that you looked up that you needed some haw for No,
I was just looking well, yeah, I have a yeah,
that's fair upperdict Jr. Guy. Imagine you walk into a
room filled with everyone you've ever met? Who do you
look for first? Oh? I mean did I technically meet
John Daily? He just ignored me? So I take you
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they didn't meet him? Damn tweet. I mean my wife?
I guess. I mean, do I not have her Ron Banks? Oh? Yeah,
it's a it's a. It's a very everybody have ever
met ever? Ron Banks? Or my kindergarten girlfriend? One of
the Russ Eisenstein, Yes would be ross. I'll predict your
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guy to wrap us up here. How do Amish girls
know if it's a romantic candlelight dinner or just a
regular dinner. One of the great quandaries in life. I
wear in pants.
Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Didn't think of that. Thank you, Thank you a predict, Drick.
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Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
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