Ep. 1051: Twitter Question Friday: MSU football, basketball, the Tigers' despair and the Blue Wall

We answered your questions on Michigan State football and what to make of what came out of Big Ten media days, on season-win totals, on MSU basketball, the Tigers' despair and whether they should be sellers at the trade deadline, coverage of U-M football and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I mean, I felt all of fred human.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh what do you get when you cross a know

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it all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, well, I'm just not sure about that right now.
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Speaker 1 (01:50):
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Speaker 3 (02:49):
Buddy? Was that your mom that you were talking with
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Speaker 1 (02:56):
It was not her. It was not her. She do
remember the saftball team she is? Uh, you know, it's
it's been a process, you know, for you, for me,
it's been a process for me.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
About to say with your texts going back and forth
this morning, going like God has he never taken care
of his mother before? Like what's going on here? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
You know, the nurse rehab specialist role is not something
I've been done a lot in my life and doing
a little bit more more now. She's got a great
friend who's been staying with us as well, and we've
got some of my sisters coming up, some reinforcements. But yeah,
it's uh, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Some reinforces. How long is she laid up for?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Uh, it's taken a little bit more time to get her,
Like she still needs to brace on it to walk
right now. So like when that's what a she had
good pain meds? She does? Yeah, yep, So you can
swing by some edibles if she needs them. Yeah, I
may start stirring them up in her soup in a
little bit, but mised with benadryl. Hey, but it's been

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uh yeah, that bad. Huh No, it's it's I don't
think the pain has been that bad. It's just been
a process. I think she was hoping for you a
fast process. Yeah, and so it's yeah, so you have
to help with the bathroom stuff. That's what the friends,
friends the friends for. She's pretty good at once she's
in there. Yeah, she can move around with the walker
and the brace on and stuff pretty well. So yeah, good, Yeah,

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all right, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Parents.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Getting older is fun. But you know, as you and
I both have been through, better to have him around
getting older then than not. So that's uh, how touchy. Yeah,
there you go. It's better than you being dead.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
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Speaker 1 (04:39):
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think is gonna be a good show. We'll get to
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Speaker 3 (06:01):
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to the groovy done to twital questions as we do
every week, unless I forget.

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are you betting this weekend? Well? I had to sprinkle
some on the three M tournament that is going on
in Minneapolis in Minnesota today, not Minneapolis, but it is

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in Minnesota at a very nice course at top forty.
And it's my fault. We didn't have a show Wednesday,
or else I would have given these picks out. But
top forty I got Rico Hoey, Austin eck Wrote, and
Milliano Grillo all top forty. That is plus six twenty one. Unfortunately,
I'm giving it to you now so you can't even
get it. So I don't know why I'm giving it
to you. I apologize, but I would have if we
would have had a show whether they do it. Yeah,

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but I don't know if anybody cares about the golf
bets anymore. So usually wait if someone would have said, son,
I don't know, Like I feel like people are bored
by Like I did one of those the shorts for
the for the YouTube of Matt Fitzpatrick when I did
give him out at fifty five to one and he
was leading after the second round and I did one
of those shorts. It was like the least watched like
short we have done, right, So I'm just like, do

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people even care about these golf the golf betting. I
understand his niche, but I just love it so much
and it's all I'm focusing on because I mean, I
just can't bet baseball right now.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well maybe close to the playoffs, maybe you could bet
against the Tigers. Yeah, so I don't want to. I know,
it's not what we need to. We're getting to the
point that if Scoball is not in the mound, it's
an auto bet. At this point, I mean, this is
a bad baseball team suddenly. I am not yet. I
just don't. I just don't take any joy in it.
I don't want to get into that get to that place,

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so I'm not not necessarily going to do it. I
will have some money on the the Euro the women's
soccer Euro Final on Sunday, Spain versus England. Spain is
a in regular time to win is like minus one
thirty and I like that. I've got a futures bet
on Spain that pays a little bit better as well.
But Spain. I don't love this England team. They've been
winning by the skin of their teeth with some helpful

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calls and other things. I don't think they're as good
as Spain. Spain had their their close call against Germany
in the semifinals. I'm on Spain on the money line
to win in ninety minutes on Sunday in the Euro
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Speaker 3 (08:29):
Let's do it. Matt Sea first, Yeah, yeah, yeah, what
happened is this? Joly? Oh yeah? What is both your
gut feelings on how this MSU football season goes? Does
Aiden Chiles reach his potential. It's a good.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Question from MATSI so elevated now he has lots of.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Good But can someone tell me about the offensive line?
Can someone just tell me? Are they going to be serviceable?
I think they are, But again I can go from there.
The problem is there's so many scars, and so many
boy cried wolf and just so much of the last
thing a boy that cried wolf. Though I don't really
know anything well to give an opinion on for what
the season is going to be.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
So and and we'll get into this a little more
of some other Twitter questions here. I do think Stanton Raymill,
who they brought to media days in Las Vegas, who's
a red shirt sophomore left tackle? I like, I wrote
a column about this today. It was a three quick
stake column, but this was part of it, and it's
probably up as you're listening, But like, can you name
name me a left tackle after Jack Jack Conklin at

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Michigan State between now and then? Can you name somebody
who's played left tackle? Brent Jurgensen? Okay, So what I'm
saying is it is very difficult for people to name
left tackles.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
I just I just named one. Did he play left
Brent Jurguson look him up? I don't even know since
when did he play there? What do you mean when
did he play? Why do I have to tell it now?
I have to tell you when he played there? I'm
telling you a name. I give you a name, and
you can't Brent Jurgison lit hell of a left tackle?
Maybe he was right? So was he right tackle?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
But I don't even know who this is? The guy
who played for.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
What's his name?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Minnesota the Luth, Brent Jurgensen.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I get those guys.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
They get those two confused, the Minnesota the Luth guy. Yeah,
I think you're making stuff up. The I'm gonna I'm
gonna move it in like how smug you are? Though,
So I don't need talk for one second because there's
a water bottle that's driving me nuts. It's like in
our on our table in the studio, and I have
to move it. Oh my god, cannot take it. Looking
at you're getting up. Do we have a bottled water

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sponsor that we need to worry about?

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Wow, it looks so good. This guy cannot concentrate during
the show.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
All right, enough of that.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I just drive me nuts.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's like clutter on the studio, like some jackass left
a bottle of water in the middle.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Of you realize you can't see it on the YouTube
though it was completely out of the shy.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah that makes it.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
But it was fun watching you get up, okay, because
what a weird reason to get up in the middle
of the show, in the middle of talking. Yeah, driving,
So anyway, in other words, they have not had notable
left tackles. They have not had like uh they they
have not had an offensive line of note.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
And I do think like I think this year. Like again,
it's for me at this point, it's seeing as believing
with the offensive line. But if I had to bet
what's the better unit the offensive line of the defensive line,
I would one hundred times out of one hundred right
now bet on the offensive line. I think it has
a chance. They brought in four transfers, they have some
they have some guys back, they have Rama Who's who

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I think is somebody in the spring you were hearing
buzz about and the stuff that Jonathan Smith said about
him and the expectations for him this year. I think
they're really really high on him. I think the offensive
line could be decent. Now they need it to be
decent for Aiden Chiles to reach his potential, which is Matt's.
He's second part of the question, My gut feeling on
this season is six and six to seven and five

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with a defense that struggles at some places and an
offense that's pretty good. That's my gut that. Again, you're
asking a gut feeling, you know, I don't know what's
there's a gut feeling lie, but that's that would be
my And I think eight Childs has a pretty good year.
I yeah, I think six, six, seven and five Bowl game.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah. Uh. Next one for Matt, see if Jonathan Smith
knowingly had a sexual predator on his staff let him
coach a game, would you write a column about that decision?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I would one hundreds out of one hundred and but
that's my job covering Michigan State to write a column
on that. And and the question is why you know, wasn't
there something written?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
How different do you think it would be covered not
by just just by not by you, but others in
the Detroit media.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
I don't know. I mean, I I have I have
scars about I have scars about scars the wrong word
because It didn't bug me, but I have memories of
the way things have been covered at Michigan State that
have been very serious, things that seem more intense, but
they don't see more intense necessarily because of the Detroit media.
They've seen more intents because of the national spotlight. And

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now I think I think the the questioning and some
of the criticism of Detroit media is fair to some degree.
Now the reasoning for it, and you may have some
columnists that lead Michigan lean Michigan and that's why, but
the reasons for it are not these conspiracies in the newsroom,
though I'm sure of that. That's That's the thing. And

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I think often too, when you're focused on one school,
and if you're a fan, you're focused on your school,
you're hyper sensitive to this stuff. It doesn't mean there
isn't some biases out there, whether intentional or not. It
doesn't mean there hasn't been some shit on Michigan State
that hasn't been fair. It doesn't mean that Michigan skated
and gotten away with some stuff in terms of how

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they should have been covered. That should be more, you know,
but you know, Larry Nasser and Beaucham Beckler are different
figures in terms of those scandals.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
The Wie's situation is, you know, I mean, Harbaugh should
absolutely get criticism for that to some degree, but he
also I don't think was aware. I think one thing
that helps Jim Harbaugh is he has this unaware, football
focused look on his face and persona to him.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
That makes that what it's called. Well.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I mean, the bottom line is, I think it does
help him not have to be accountable for certain things
in the way people perceive it, because the.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Same look Paterno had, right, the big glasses, the eyeballs
big in the glasses, just it looks like no one's driving.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Sometimes a little confused, but I think somebody is drawing,
Like I think, you know, Harbaugh is a smart guy,
and I think he's folks on certain things. I don't
know if he was great at managing a staff and
understanding what was going on around him. And I think
that is a criticism that is one hundred ti.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Or do you think that's how he built it to
act as if you don't know what's going on around you.
But I know, I just find that impossible that he
a guy like that, would not know. I don't think
it's intentional. I just think he's a little off. Matt.
See why do these conferences have media days. It's nothing
but cliche answers. I guess the media gets a free
vacation out of it, so that's cool. I guess.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Well, they shouldn't have him and the Big Ten, if
they're going to have in Vegas, shouldn't them. You should
see how few people were out there and how small
it was, and a few things.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
If you're see your boy James Franklin, he wasn't happy
about it either.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, it's just and the other thing that happens is
it's too early for most places, like people aren't really
into it. Look, we see the page views, we see
how many people are reading, we know the interaction. Your
heads aren't there yet. It's not saying everybody, because you
may be listening to it. I'm fired up for football,
but by and large, people's heads are not there yet.
And what drives me nuts is and I'm glad they
didn't send aiden Child's out there because these players do

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all these interviews out there and by the time they
get to like the second week of practice, there's interview fatigue. Well,
this shit's a waste of time now, and they should
just pick like four players are never going to be interviewed,
and send them out there three players because this shouldn't
count toward your interview fatigue. You got to understand that
if you're a player, it's a waste of your time
to be out there.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
It is.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
There aren't that many people out there. Number one, it's
too early period. They don't set it up so it
best serves media anymore. I don't think they should exist now.
I under stand why they do it in the South
because in the South it's four hundred and fifty degrees.
The back sweat and bo is just killing you. Right,
I'm playing the hits now you are, and you're just
waiting for football season, so you have a reason to live.

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And so why not have a media day in an
air conditioned area.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I get it. I get it. There's no baseball. You
don't really have a baseball team too.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
But yeah, and all these all these commissioners and folks
do interviews with national folks ahead of them anyway, so
it's not like it. Really I'd love to see them
go away. I would. I would happily encourage media days
to stop existing in July in far away places, especially
from where media is. I mean, it's it's It is

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a fact that fans are not engaged at the levels
they will be in a couple of weeks. It is
a fact that they're largely useless. These are not debates anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
So get rid of Well, it's hard to be engaged
when you don't go to them if you're a fan, right,
if you're the media, Like when we went for what
year was that, It's like, okay, I was paid. It
was fun to be you know, in the summer, we're
talking football, we're seeing football players.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's cool for us because we were there. If I
was reading about it, I'd be like, it's a Tuesday
in July, right, Wednesday and July.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Who cares? Right, So people like us say, oh, you
know what, when it was in Indianapolis, it was amazing,
and in facts because us, it was awesome. It was
cool air and ac and all that show.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
And if you're gonna call it a media, they tail
it around the media. And if they did that, like
they used to do it a decade ago, where there
was a lot of really good discussions, you would leave there.
Ten years ago, you would leave there with really good
stories and conversations off the record, on the record, just
ideas going forward in the season that would lead to stories.
You lead there with information. You don't leave a shit now.
It's a total waste of fucking time.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Scottie Green's El Camino Aidan Chiles will be a success
this year if he does what.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Win's the heisman. No, I think it's a good year.
I think it's and some of this have come down
to the protection around him, but I think it's it's
the next step for him is twofold one. It's not
turning the ball over. It's because if you just take
his abilities and his highlights and take away some of
his lows, the fumbles, that's a really good player, right.
And then to me, it's the secondary reads and it's

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the ability to you know, working on this isn't there,
I'm going to this And that's something that your quarterbacks
coach has talked about with him. And so if he
can take those two steps, he'll be an NFL prospect
this week or this year. If he can just eliminate
alone eliminate some of the turnovers, I mean, he'll be
at you know, a top ten to fifteen college quarterback

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instantly know what that is in an NFL prospect because
there's another level. You know, he'll still have to get there.
But I think for him, the biggest thing it just
starts with understanding. He got to live to play another down.
And sometimes when you're really gifted in certain ways, you
think you can make a play out of everything, and
it's hard to do in college football.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Scotty Greens al Camino one more anything interesting to report
about Strayhorn leaving the Spartan broadcast team and from DMB,
why did Jason Strayhorn get fired? How the hell did
he let his kid commit to Michigan? Is a Michigan asset?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And there were a few more on on uh this
Strayhorn story that that j Colkirk now huh yeah, yeah,
And I like, I like I like Culkrek and I've
always gotten along with Jason Strayhorn really well. Sounds like
Blaja was bummed and Blaha was not happy about it.
Sound like yeah, and anything Blah is not happy about,
you know, annoys me because we're Blaja fans here, right.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Don't you think, like, well, Colkirk's coming in and just
like you know, you.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Talk about fan boys there's like blah has in the
like in our Mount Rushmore, people will get giddy.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Oh yeah, so just hearing his voice.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, and uh, and it's it's you know, it's for us.
It's pistons related, you know, thirty five years ago, but
still it's it's it's lasted a long time.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Still reeled me. Damn it.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And so I again, I don't. Uh, I don't know
why he got fired. I haven't looked into this yet.
It got fired, well, he got he was he was
not brought back. Oh and uh that's technically you know,
that is fire. Yeah, when you've been doing it for
like two decades, it's sort of got fired. I do
not think the next the story. The story I don't
buy into, though, is this idea that he and this

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is something that's just been pervasive on social media that
he tried to convince Nick Marsh to go to Michigan
where his son is going to play. I don't. I
have not heard that from any incredible. If I'm wrong
on that, then I'll get that corrected and we'll talk
about it. But that would be I just don't. I
don't think that's it. Stray Horn is still a guy
who's got a reason that fire if that were to happen,

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I just I don't. I don't think that's what happened.
And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Nick, you want to go play with my son in Michigan,
you know, I don't know the reason for it, Bibbi. Next,
what is the real standard for MSU football? And in
your heart of hearts still believe MSU can ever win
a national championship in college football?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I still do now. The standard though for me is
not a fan though, well, no, the standard for me
should be that Michigan State is a team that is
regularly competing for playoff berths. That should be the standard
of place like Michigan State, and so that most years
in November they're playing meaningful games with a playoff berth

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on the line. Doesn't mean they're always going to get there.
But if the playoff birth is fourteen, twelve, sixteen, whatever
it is, that there are a lot of years where
they're in the hell in the hunt for like a
nine or win season, orb that that should be the standard.
That should be what they should be. Now the idea,
I mean, we've seen Michigan State have national championship caliber
teams in twenty thirteen in twenty fourteen, and so that's

(21:31):
in you know, in the last twelve years. If the
current playoffs setup existed in twenty fourteen with twelve teams,
I think that twenty fourteen team that averaged forty three
points a game, that's defense wasn't quite what it was
in twenty thirteen, but was pretty dang good and had
the best offense that I've ever covered at Michigan State,

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Like that team would have had a chance. That team's
lost a game at Oregon to Marcus Mariota on the
road early in the season and a game they were
in control of at one point. Marioto is brilliant, and
then J. T. Barrett had a night at Spartan Stadium
in a thrilling game in November where he was better
than he ever was again out and Ohio State won
the national title that year. Like, outside of that, that

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team was I mean that you look back, I do
think that was probably And then twenty thirteen, you know,
they would have been in a playoff and that defense
was incredible and it would have been interesting. I would
have taken I don't know, I might I might take
fourteen o or thirteen, but because those things exist, and
because we've seen that, it doesn't mean it can't happen.

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Is it likely?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Is it easy? No?

Speaker 1 (22:37):
But the idea that it can't happen it would be
ridiculous because we've seen teams capable of it in fairly
recent history.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Spartan eighteen seven to seven zero. Next, it seemed that
Jonathan Smith did not connect well with the fan base
last season. Do you think that he has improved this offseason.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I think he understands his environment better. I think that
comes naturally. I mean, I know, I mean, he just
didn't even know the town, you know, the city, You
didn't know that. I mean, you're just it's a new
community everything, and then you learn through what people care
about here. And you know, obviously the Michigan game was
a big part of that, and you there's no way

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you can leave what happened against Michigan last year, everything
the loss, the way he coached, the reaction, the on
the field stuff, and not learn from it and have
a much better feeling.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Should we just come to terms but that he doesn't
have a personality and just let's win football games. Well,
I'm not expecting him to come out on Twitter and
do like these bits. That's not how we do because
Brian Kelly, I'm sure it doesn't take him long no
matter where he goes. First five hours, he's in a
city right of a new hire to be the coach. Well,
and Smith comes in with that personality.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Smith has a personality. It's just not bombasket bombastic. It's
not bombasket bombast or bombastic either way, not either one
of those.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
That's okay. I didn't sit there and fake it look like.
I mean, a guy like Scottie Shuffler, like everybody wants
him to have this outside life of a crazy party
guy or something, so he's like a hero figure. But
that's not who you are, So you gotta be you. Yeah,
man Sparting eighteen seven seven zero, Jason, You and Graham
are on a four hour drive to Nebraska in a
Toyota Corolla. Who gets left at a rest stop in Iowa?

(24:22):
Who's driving? What your Corolla? I mean that matters if
it's like a ninety eight Corolla like Jesus three hundred
and fifty thousand miles or sweating our dicks off no
ac Yeah, but I mean back when I was still drinking,
you would probably have left me because I would have
brought some road dogs and you'd been like, you'd gotten
really like concerned if you would have got a dui,
especially if I was the one drinking in the car?

(24:44):
Do I still get a dui? So couch would have
been panicky and probably left me.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Especially at that giant I eighty rest stop that's big,
you would get lost a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
And now, oh, easily I would have been looking for
nick knacks and stuff to put in my office. Yeah,
stupid shit, David Jackson. Should we infer anything Stanton raymald
being one of the three players that Jonathan Smith brought
to Las Vegas? Does this mean that the coaches fully
expect raymald to be one of the better offensive linemen
in the Big Ten this season?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I think they expect him to be a look. I
think he's getting paid pretty well. I think he's getting
paid pretty well based on performance in practice. I think
he is a guy that has been the best offensive
lineman they've gotten. He's only a red shirt sophomore. They
like him a lot, and so yes, I do think

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you infer something about him being one of the three players.
I think it says this is an important position. I
think It says this is a guy who's still technically
an underclassman. In some ways it means a red shirt sophomore.
But like, yeah, when they do that, they're signifying they
trust this guy in certain ways, they expect certain things.
And they said, I think that was the most important
thing that came out of Big Ten media Days, at

(25:55):
least from thousands of miles away where I was.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
David Jackson. Are the Tigers this year's version of the
sixty nine Chicago Cubs?

Speaker 1 (26:04):
What happened on the sixty nine Cubs? They just start
great and fade?

Speaker 3 (26:07):
I don't know, you know. I was just talking to
my my, my neighbor Elmer yesterday and he was saying
the same thing the sixty nine Cubs, very reminiscent. Okay,
well we have to go back and go through the
hold on, give me some off. We got Holy how
much half? Do we need to go back to sixty nine? Huh?
Te tack? I have the passage frequent, I say under glass.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Okay, so it's they're known as the most celebrated second
place team in the history of baseball, So it the uh,
all right, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
And we're not gonna do anything at the trade deadline.
Apparently we're gonna get Yeah, we got more impressions on this.
It looks it looks it's not good. I mean there
is an argument to be made that. Nope, I don't
think there is that you sell so who.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
School?

Speaker 3 (27:00):
No? Fuck me? All right? Are we done with that one?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I'm just saying, like if I'm not, I won't saying
you sell anybody. But like at this point, like if
you got a haul for him, like this is not.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
We're back to the schooble hall. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, this has been but let me ask you this.
I mean, this has been a it's not just a streak.
It's been a demoralizing turn. I mean, there's no doubt
about it. It's not like a bad week. It's been
like there has been non competitive and I think what
you're starting to see is all of these situations where
a lot of guys who are overperforming, they have sort
of regressed. Water finding its level and.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Such, hobby steroids running out, and you only can buy
so much fake p the at one time. Yeah, pass
those drug tests. Yeah, it's not great. Yeah, David Jackson,
how bs is the old the ground? The ground can't
cause a fumble trope. Haven't we all seen a player
otherwise not touched the ground, but the arm and the
ball alone hit the ground and the ball comes out.

(27:56):
In nineteen ninety at the MSU goal line, U of
M's John Vaughan d fumble the ball and I'll die
on that hill.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Hell yeah, David, Yeah, I love when David goes deep
like one of your like Twitter questions should always be
one of these, David reminiscent about the past, love that passion.
Schop Couch talks shit about the softball guy, the dude
who peaked in high school and takes Beer League way
too seriously with a four hundred dollars bad et cetera.

(28:24):
Is this is thus a blind spot for you, Graham,
and you actually are softball guy, perhaps not with the
expensive bat. But do other teams laugh at you and
talk about that guy on the LSJ team who takes
it way too seriously and everyone in the league knows
exactly who they are talking about. I could see it.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, I'm not say that a thousand percent happen. No,
I'm not selfluing. No, because I don't look like a
guy takes it seriously. You have to there are guys
who are dressed in the That's what probably blows people's minds.
They probably see you with your fucking lancing shirt on
or whatever you're wearing that day and shorts and you're like, God, damn,
this guy doesn't care. And then the game starts to happen,
and then like you're taking it way more seriously than

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softball guy.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
No.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
We I make sure we all everybody. We have to
have fun. That is the rule. And there are people
who have come up to me on other teams asking
to join our team because we have more fun than
other people. People that are No, no, I'm talking it's
telling lies, nor what is what is?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
You know?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm not the president here. I'm just I'm just I'm
telling you what happens.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
It's real.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Stoh, fix that post. But no, I no, I am
not softball guy. I mean it's a fair point. And
I also didn't peak in high school because I was
ship in high school, so like there's no peaking. I've
never peek. Peaked after ice. I've been waiting to peak
my whole life. That's what next year's about.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, Chris Eastlick, what is a sports take that you
died on the Hill for despite everyone telling you that
you were crazy that ended up being right.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Do you have one.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Died on the hill for despite everyone telling even crazy?
I mean I thought I did. I do have a
Twitter receipt for this. But I did say that the
Warriors were gonna break before they did it the seventy
three and nine season. Then they were going to break
the Bulls seventy two and ten. So I did say that.
I don't think because many people didn't pay attention to

(30:11):
it and said I was crazy, But I mean some people.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Did, but I don't know. This is where my memory's
pretty much it. This is where my memory sucks. And
I know there are a couple, if I know, there
are a couple of takes over time that I've been
right on, you know, early and and people didn't see coming.
And I'm just blanking and it's partly because I yeah,
I just can't get my mind there. And I really
want to answer this well because I think there's a
good one, and I can't do it, Chris, And that's

(30:34):
why I suck it.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
What we do?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
I mean, I really do. I mean, I want to
answer this great, and uh, I just can't because it's
like on a tip of my head. There's been a
Ascus next show. There have been a couple player situations
where I've been like, this guy is this guy's real
faverybody isn't?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
And and uh nailed that one. He nailed nail, nailed it,
nailed it. Yeah, yeah, just give him some time. Yeah,
I remember that last year? All right, Ken Chew and
Andrew Luiza nag Skinny breakdown the ramifications of Trump's andn
il executive order.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's hard to know because a couple of things. One,
it's I don't it's big and beautiful, well, won't stand
up to a legal fight as it is right now.
But the other problem, because I don't think any of
this stuff will. I just don't know if he is
going to remain focused on it and interested long enough.
That's sort of the challenge with him, right, is this
bring well? Right? Is this Is this a distraction thing

(31:24):
for him? Is this something he really cares about? Is
this something they're going to follow through with? I I
don't know, and and you know, and then it's executive order,
it's not law yet, you know, it's like it's it's
for the rest of his term. I mean, I I
don't mind some of the concepts of behind you know,
the idea that they're trying to protect women's sports and
do all this stuff. But what you know, and and

(31:45):
the question is and are they're going to give Part
of what they're saying is the Department of Education will
determine funds for you know, schools based on their ability
to follow this and and and discourage pay for play
and and that sort of stuff. I again, they already
got paid for play with with revenue sharing. You've got

(32:06):
state laws that are being introduced, including in Michigan, that
would basically say you can't limit this. I don't know
what the ramifications are to another thing colleges have to
decipher and figure out right now, it's just another thing.
My advice for anybody who is interested in this stuff
and worried about this stuff is we're a month from

(32:29):
college football season. Enjoy college football season, try and delve in,
pretend it to the old times, forget about the contracts
and the off season stuff and all the shit, and
then check back in December, and hopefully in December there's
a little more organization and understanding of where things are headed.
Because the bottom line is Ohio State is not going

(32:49):
to let itself play with the same resources. Purdue Alabama's
not going to play with the same resources a Vanderbilt.
So outside nil and collectives and all that stuff are
going to be in play. It's not just going to
be revenue sharing. But this, this muddies the waters a
little bit. It's one more thing to ask Jay bad

(33:10):
about at Michigan State, for example. It's just but again,
the president doesn't have a great track record of staying
focused on everything, so I didn't even know how important
this is going to be for him, and you know,
a week from now, so who knows that you're a portal?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Next one from Andrews as Graham, why don't you answer
my email question I sent for the last two shows?
Is it too long? I really am curious how revenue
sharing won't result in some type of contract.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Did I miss it? I don't. First of all, Andrew, yes,
they're too long, They're probably too long. They're probably sometimes
ask it's probably yeah. If it's really long. Well, sometimes
the emails is like oh boy, yeah and yeah, and
sometimes I added them and maybe I just missed it.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I say, oh boy. When you see Andrews come in
the you know, when I see a.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Long email, I open it and I go, oh boy, there's
just no am giving this to Jason. And sometimes I
can cut them down. Sometimes I can't. Just keep that
in mind. It's got to be you know, if it
can't be fit in a tweet, then it probably shouldn't
be in an email either, unless it's a really good point,
unless unless it's incredible. Yeah, and and and start that
with this is incredible, just so I see that. Yeah,

(34:15):
I do. I don't you know, again, I don't know
where this is going to go. I do think at
some point players will have contracts and players will be employees.
That's what I think. I don't see a way around it,
because otherwise, if players don't agree to this stuff that's happening,
the lawsuits are going to keep going their way and
there's going to be no guardrails, and then there's no

(34:36):
point in this. Then you have the wild West, and
you have revenue sharing, and so it it just it
doesn't it doesn't make sense. I think at some point
we will have contracts.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Dave Lake and next I'm sure Jay Bad is out
working the donors hard. But have you seen or heard
anything about how MSU is going to divvy up the
nil monies by sport or improve the football game day
experience or cow and less speaker blasting.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
See I thought the cowbo is a University of Michigan thing.
I didn't know that was Michigan State just borrow that.
I don't know where that again, I don't know. I
haven't talked to Jay Batt yet. I'm hoping to do
that in the next few weeks and be it myself
for a group of reporters. I think there's just a
lot of good questions to be asked, and I'm not

(35:23):
sure he has answers to everything because stuff's still changing.
But in terms of the revenue sharing, which I'm not
sure if that when you're talking about nil moneies, the
football will get fifteen to sixteen million of it always,
and we will see situations now where smaller schools who
are basketball focused can swoop in and get players because
basketball at the schools that care first about football, which

(35:45):
is what you have to do in the Big Ten
and the SEC and the a SEC and the Big twelve,
basketball takes a back seat. You cannot have a four
million it would be the max right now in rev
sharing you could do for a basketball program and still
fun football to the level you need to, and that
matters more. So, I'll be curious where his priorities are,

(36:05):
what he's going to try to do most, what initiatives
he already is thinking of, and how much he's trying
to just give his head around everything that's going on
at Michigan State and what really needs to be done.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
John Noddy next, College sports are such a huge part
of marketing and advertising for universities that's not having great
TV spots during football and basketball season would crush a
school's reputation, not just in sports, but also in trying
to recruit prospective students and generate millions and donations and
grants that have nothing to do with sports. So do

(36:38):
you think athletic departments ever end up like a loss leader,
you know, where schools just spend themselves into a hole
because the cost of not being competitive to the university
as a whole is too expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I mean, in other words, what really matters, isn't the
bottom line? You'd have to the problem is athletic departments
in bost of these places are supposed to be solvent.
In Michigan State, they're counting on the athletic department to
be solvent. Now, if it was ever that means pay
for itself, right, balance the budget, if it ever gets

(37:11):
to a point where that's impossible. But it's still important
to the school to have all this stuff because it
is the front porch.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
It matters.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
I mean, I go back to two thousand, Michigan State
wins a national championship in basketball. I graduated high school
in ninety seven, and when I graduated high school, you'd
get in the Michigan State with about a three point zero.
I don't know, you know, that's just the GPA side,
unless you could play sports. Well, right, sports are different.
But then my sister's class, she graduated Lancing Sex twenty

(37:43):
in two thousand and one, right after the national championship
a year after it, and it was like a three
point four because enrollment or the applications were so many more.
Everybody wanted to wear a shirt.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Sports matter. Sports matters the universities, they matter to reputation,
They're part of the exparience, and so you have to decide.
And there are lots of places that can't balance the athletics,
and the schools have to subsidize it. So I uh,
it's a good question where things all go. I think
Michigan State for the time being is counting on they
will cut sports at MSU before they you know, have

(38:17):
to figure out another model.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Professor. Next, will the Tigers ever win again?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Starting?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
See he's starting for the Detroit Tiger a scampling opeing.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And Nope, it doesn't feel like it certainly doesn't feel
like it. I mean when those homewers were going over
the fence against results and last and on Thursday night,
I was like, baby.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Face Assassin was getting murdered, I'm like, ah God.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
And then the way he shook his head and put
his hand over on his brow, I was like, oh
my god. That was like the signified what this last
stretch has been. And you know when the stretch started,
by the way, the stretch really started and we took vacation, Nope,
it started with well, I mean it started a little
before that, but it really were to blame. It's exacerbated
by the fact that they moved school ball start so

(39:06):
that he could start the All Star Game, and then
he had a bad start. Then Maes had a bad start.
After that, the fucking All Star game and caring about that.
Don't everybody in the All Star Game was ass Yeah,
everyone don't ever care about the All Star Game. Again,
it's you know, and we didn't. Well, they moved on.
It was fun to watch them. They moved google start
because of it. And then he was asked and again

(39:27):
that's don't do it, Carl.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Next, the Tigers should sell and stack their prospects pool.
This always felt like the other shoe was dropping at
some point, never felt real. No fear bats in the
lineup and outside of Schooble, vulnerable pitching across the board.
Get a hall for school ball and whoever else fuck it,
Get a hall for school bol crowd all right, and
for John Johnson. The Tigers should be sellers at the deadline,

(39:52):
not buyers. This team is terrible. They don't have a
single bat anyone fears. School ball can only save you
once in a best of three scenario. With this offense
and high leverage situations, I don't even think Schooble starts
or a lock anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, so, I mean the big problem they have is
in the Schoobol question and whether you're sellers or buyers
or stand Pat Stam Patt does you no good? I mean,
you may get to the playoffs because you have an
eight game lead, and that's what they're gonna do. The
other teams aren't that good. But what if you get
to the playoffs, this team is not winning in the playoffs,
and this team is not going to get to miss
the wild card round because it'll be the worst division

(40:28):
champion the way they are, and then you're probably losing
in the wild card and then you're just wasting time
with Schooble. The whole point of keeping Schooble if you're
not gonna be able to sign him, was you were
gonna get last year's incredible run and then two more
shots at trying to win a World Series. If you're
gonna limit that down to one realistic shot and you're
gonna try and build through the offseason and hope guys
are ready and better, then I mean maybe there's an

(40:48):
argument there. But the other thing you need to look
at is is there a haul because some other team thinks, well,
we get two runs at it before he's due a contract.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
And in the Hall would go down next year obviously, correct.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, And so that that to me is a serious
question that should be had. And one thing you have
to do too, if you are leadership of the Tigers,
you can't be worried about the past in terms of
everybody that you know, the trade for Justin Verlander didn't
work out. Every one of those prospects wound up getting
hurt or not working, you know it just and so
people are sc people have scars from that. People don't

(41:23):
think the Tigers usually win these deals and get much back.
If you're Scott Harris, that can't be your concern what
happened in the past. Living in the past gets you
Mel Tucker. Okay, get you a big contract for mel Tucker,
but I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
We don't have enough time for all of that.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Think about what happened on mel Tucker's contract. They have
this amazing season one season year two for mel Tucker.
You know, it's a great year. It was a great year,
but the foundation had not been set. They had Kenneth
Walker and all that stuff. And you get you get
a report you know that that LSU is interested, which
has turned out to be I think a pretty phony report.
But you know a reporter bought that hook line sinker anyway,

(41:59):
and and the school kind of buys into it in Eshpia,
who was around when Michigan State loses Saban twenty years earlier,
is scarred by that, is oh, scarred by everybody scarred
by it, everybody scarred by the past. And is this
the next Saban? They didn't spend Peter McPherson didn't you
know Saban will say Peter mcchrison lied to him and Saban.

(42:21):
They didn't put the resources into Saban or the or
the football program back then that Saban wanted and they
lose him, and the fear was losing Meltucker. Again. They
were scarred by the past and so they didn't have
clear eyes with the present. And it was somewhat understandable.
But if you're the Tigers, you got to look at now.
And I'm not saying you get rid of Schoopball like
if you but if there is a hall, if somebody

(42:44):
offers you an incredible hall that you love, that you
think can transform the organization, I mean they're already I
think a pretty good past, but really transformed the organization
with high end prospects, you have to consider it. You
have to consider it. You're not You're not getting rid
of him unless you're getting something amazing offered for him.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Just prospects, no players that would fit in. Now, well
you're talking it can be a mix, it can be
whatever it is. But usually I need to hear some
of these hauls. Everybody just mentions we should get a
haul for Schooble, and I just needed to hear what
the Orioles last year with the Gunner Henderson and the
certain pieces with Kirstad and stuff like that. Okay, I
can be talked into something like that, but I need
to hear some of these other halls. These teams that

(43:24):
are willing to offer a haul for Schooble because they
are going to have to eventually end up paying.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yeah, you've got to have you know, multiple top hundred prospects.
Maybe there's you know, a major league involved there as well.
I mean, the problem is most teams aren't going to
give you, you know, a front line, you know, front
line starter back because they're trying to build for a
playoff run.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
So you and we're pretty loaded with prospects right now. Yeah,
you know, we just I just want to keep Schooble.
I can understand if we get outbid for him, the
years get crazy because if someone another team's going to
offer him a ten year contract. I don't want to
do that. I can understand if old Christopher Illich didn't
want to do that. Offer ten years, forty million or
four million dollars to me. You cannot.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You cannot stand pat to me. You don't have to
be like at the very least, I think they're going
at the very least, you need to go get a starter,
and you need to go get one big time reliever.
Now the bats are a problem, but that you cannot
go into the postseason with this pitching staff and this
bullpen and otherwise and not consider getting rid of school

(44:22):
because you're not gonna win anything. You'd be lucky to
get through a series. And you might get through a series.
You can get hot. They got hot last year. I'm
not saying you can't get hot. But you're not going
to get very far with what they have, and so
they need to seriously consider the alternative. But standing pat
to me is the worst one, because they ain't just
wasting time.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Jebediah how big is cheap, cheap, stiffer, cheap staffer. Ilich
is boner realizing that the Tigers need more than a
modern day Babe Ruth to fix this mess. No point
becoming buyers. Now you think it's just is happy, He's like,
well still selling out. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he's happy.

(44:58):
He since there looks at the bottom line is how
big is the profit margin? And yeah, it gets a
full ride.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
He's got to understand that he will never be trusted
as the owner until he makes I don't think a
serious move. Yeah, maybe he does. I don't think he's
a shame. It's a shame.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
You should learn from old Tom Gorris there, Tom Gores whatever,
how you pronounce his fucking name. That guy flipped it
around and turned things around to where he's actually like
when he paid that money Williams deal, people are like,
you know what, all right? Would get behind a guy
like that? Correct?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
When you admit your mistakes, you take accountability for him,
and you put your wallet mind it people, people will
be with you that. You know, people are okay with.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
That, Jay Riemenschneider. Why are Michigan fans always berated about
not attending the school. Unless you're a fan of a
school like a Dartmouth, Prairie View, Southeast North Dakota State,
et cetera, you probably didn't attend the school you root
for either, well, a couple of things that'd be wild
to root for Dartmouth if you didn't go there. A

(45:50):
lot of Dartmouth guys you know, you grew up in
town or something. But yeah, I was thinking gambling would
probably do that. I think a couple things here, one
a lot. I think you're misjudging how many people are
actually alums, like in Michigan State as what six hundred
thousand living alumni, and like a lot of fans are
actually alums of the school. I don't think it should
ever be a requirement. There shouldn't be gate keeping them
that way. It's like a cheap shot that people use.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
People grow up in a community or like them because
a parent did, or or just have a moment as
a kid and become attached. I think that's all fine.
I think the thing that Michigan fans get hit for,
but every fan base should is I think if you
don't go someplace, your ability to talk trash about your
rival when you've just chosen a school is kind of bullshit.

(46:33):
Like if you go to Michigan and you're talking shit
about Michigan State because you chose the root for Michigan
why don't you just choose root for Michigan State. You
could have just chosen the route for Indiana. You chose
the root for Michigan. So now you talk shit about
another place. Same if you love Michigan State and they
win big in basketball and Michigan loses and you didn't
go there, and now you're talking shit about a Michigan program,
that's pretty good. Actually, But you just chose to like

(46:54):
a school. If you just choose to like a school,
I think your ability to talk shit about other schools
should be less. But your ability to like a school
should not be determined at all about whether you went
there or not. I mean, there are lots of reasons
for people, and there shouldn't be gate keeping in fandom
that way. People always love when you tell them how
they can root for their team. I didn't, anybody could.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I did. But you should have talk shit, I know.
Jay Riemenschneider a few weeks back read an article in
LSJ about an aggressive EMU in South Lancey, not Eastern Michigan.
Did it ever attack you, Graham? If not, what would
you have done if it attacked you?

Speaker 1 (47:32):
We should have the EMU commercial the EMU EMU and
Doug you know, or whatever they should do on an
Eastern Michigan University.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I haven't seen them.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah. Anyway, it did not attack me.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I saw it.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
But then how would it attack you if you didn't
see it?

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yes, I oh, I didn't see it. I didn't see it,
and it did not attack me. If it had attacked
me and I had seen, I would have killed it
snapped us now instantly, Well, you're taking a swing at
EMU if it comes near me? Oh my god? Can
you imagine that video? What do you mean You're gonna.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Like take it out, like throw like a roundhouse like
punch or something like something. Why would you think the
EMU would come after you? I don't know, Like geese do.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Sure you'd have food in your hands.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
You were walking like along a river path and geese
are really aggressive and those things.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Are Yeah, and I do one of those step towards it,
like what and then I back off and I'm like, Okay,
then I see where you're gonna Yeah, yeah, the stance
from there, you know what I mean? You have to
like act like you're you know, in trying to intimidate
the animal, because if you sit there and back off
and act scared, that's when they get it. That's when
they get fierce. I'm just saying t Bone's dad July question.

(48:35):
If you were starting your acting career and could only
get a role in an IBS commercial or alternatively, a
role in an erectile dysfunction commercial for double the money,
which golden opportunity are you taking?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I'm taking a rectile thissfunction for double the money one
hundred percent. How much money are we talking? I mean
I would be in a I wouldn't cost much. I
do a rectyle this function for ten grand? Wouldn't you?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
For ten g's? You wouldn't do an erect How many
times is gonna though? What you would for? I mean
how much?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Who's offering you ten grand for anything?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Absolutely no one, but I was saying, I don't want
to be a rectile dysfunction guy for ten k. I
mean I'm willing to embarrass I mean, look at this shit, especially.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
If it had a good jingle like some of those
diabetes commercials, Like.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Yeah, you don't want a good jingle because then people
are gonna sit there like, oh, there's the rectile dysfunction guy.
When you don't have a rectile dysfunction. Really, like you
have to explain to people you're the ed guy. Ten grand,
I'm good, I'm in ten k, I'm in Listen. It's
a lot of money. I understand that. I'm not saying that,
but you have, like I think a lot of these
actors that do these commercials, and of these athletes that

(49:34):
Eric Poe asshole from that cure auto insurance bullshit, a
mon Ross, Saint Brown. I want to know how much
in Schooble, how much did they pay you guys. I
need to know because I gotta say, as your agent,
I would say, whatever that money is, you're gonna make
it back off interest, pure pure interest in your career.
Don't look like an asshole kissing this Eric Poe guy's
ass who's so desperate to be famous. I absolutely despise

(49:56):
that guy on fucking whatever network. What are they on,
Bally's not Fan Duel or whatever? They have run those
commercials every commercial break when you watch a Tiger's game.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, no, it's not good. It's not good insurance. So
they shouldn't see.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
So I'm saying if they if you, if you're telling
me it's gonna air during the commercial breaks of Tiger Game.
It's gonna air every other commercial.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
BREAKOD with it, I'm good with I would just go
do some community theater like Shakespeare and feel like a
legitimate actor, and I'd be good with myself.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay. Secondly, we need to find an erect shot at
rectile dysfunction company to pay you ten k to be
in a commercial.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I would do it. Come on, I would do it.
We could raise ten k. I think I would leave
my panton, but I would do it. Otherwise, Yeah, I
would be what a weird commercial?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
All right? Mister neurotic pants Jason, using your gut where
will this MSU football team be two seasons from now?
What do you anticipate? Well, if you're asking my gut feel,
I think there's gonna be a new coach in the
next two seasons. Wow, I think after this season, I
think there's they're gonna move on from Jonathan Smith. Gut feel.

(50:58):
It's my only my gut feel. I hope, I'm I
hope I'm wrong. I want to see Jonathan Smith succeed
here just for couch alone pretty much, but for Jonathan
Smith as well. I want this program to succeed under him.
But if you're asking what my gut feel is on
this MSU football program, I think in two years will
be a new head coach.

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Speaker 3 (51:42):
All right, mister neurotic pants Graham. Will this MSU program
have the same luck with Penn State as D'Antonio usually did?
Will there be another team if it gets good at upsetting?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Well, some of those years Penn State wasn't very good,
you know, and Michigan State was was great. But I
do what you know, I know what you mean. Late
in that ten year twenty eighteen and seventeen eighteen, I
I do think, yeah, I mean, I have no way
of knowing Penn States I think are really talented program
right now. I think they're just depth of talents a

(52:14):
lot more than Michigan State. It would help, though, if
you had a program that you're if you're knocking off
one of the big boys, right, and that's how you
start to become one, right, you can start to get taken. Seriously,
Michigan State could need that right now. They seem to
have some success they did last year against Iowa, So
maybe Iowa's that team and they play at Iowa this
year late in the year, and what could be a
meaningful game for them. So we'll see.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Andrew Gotier next, Graham, do you truly believe that the
recent Michigan scandals, including literal crimes, are being covered with
the same intensity as if this happened at MSU. Go
back and look at the newspapers and coverage of any
D'Antonio related scandal. It's not even close. Oh, the Corley
King van stuff, Yeah, the Robertson. It's just hard to compare.

(52:59):
I mean, I know the people will cover these things
and I and I like to think their heads are
in the right places, but there's no question that it
does feel. Here's what I think, and this is why
you feel it more with Michigan State than Michigan. It's
not only that the national media came in and everything
sort of descended on m s U for a while.
But I mentioned this the other day. I think the

(53:21):
the outlets that are tied to the university, or at
least the people who only cover the team because they
love the team, they're not they didn't get into journalism
and they wound up with a job covering Michigan football.
They are you know, as we've said, they're they're they're
go blue lover dot com. They're you know, all that stuff, right.
The Wolverine this, the Wolverine that, the whatever.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
It might be, you know. I mean, one one of
the people works for our uh doesn't work for our organization,
but Wolverine's Wire is like friends with Connor Stallions, right Like.
There's a lot of that. So I think I think
some of the people who cover m s U in
those roles, and there are many of them too, not

(54:04):
as many, but have been better at being critical of
MSU in moments where MSU deserved criticism, then maybe the
Michigan folks are at and so it just it overall,
it feels like there's there's more defending Michigan. But you know,

(54:25):
I don't know that. I mean, again, I don't have
that same feeling to the same degree, and do I
think if you know, you go back to twenty eighteen
and everything that's happening in Michigan now would be covered
differently too. Again, I don't know what the answers. And
I'm not going to argue that that you're wrong on
this because I'm primarily for like, I don't even read

(54:47):
eighty percent more than that ninety percent of Michigan coverage,
So I don't even understand. I don't even have a
great understanding with it. I don't have that same obsession
and so that a lot of fans do with making
sure they're covered that way, and I think though a
lot of fans who don't either and set in terms
of their follow through with holding people accountable in the coverage,
because there are times where you bring up receipts and

(55:07):
people didn't see a story, whereas you see everything on
Michigan State, right, and so you know, if you're reading
everything that's written about Michigan, you feel that way, and
maybe maybe you're correct. You know, and I'm not saying
you don't have a point. I'm just I'm just pushing
back because I can't. I can't verify myself.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Next one from Andrew. With basically nothing else on right now,
this is a key moment for the Tigers to capture
the hearts of this entire state for the next three months.
Will they do it or will they squander the best
record in baseball and send us all down FedEx Cup
and pre season football rabbit hole? And I'm the best
record in baseball now, not even the American League and
it's what down to eight and a half games over

(55:45):
the Guardians.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Yeah, they got to make sure they don't completely squand
it's I mean, they were legitimately good for a while.
I don't want to act like this as always. There
were some hitters that were performing above their level, but
there are hitters now that are performing beneath their level too.
And I think they have a couple, you know, you know,
I think has had some really good moments this year,
and he hasn't been good lately and at the wrong
time right I think reeese Olsen was very good early
and he's coming back from injury.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I think Flarity what do you do with him?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Yeah, but I think I do think the three the
the you know, obviously Schoogl and then miz and Olsen.
You know, that's decent three. And if you got one
more starter there and that becomes a foursome, that's that's
not bad. And Flarity is your fifth guy and he's
good sometimes and I don't know, Flarity, you start to
wonder how much longer you can just go with that,

(56:28):
and it's it's not good. It's not good right now.
You can't have him being a top three guy for you.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Next one from Andrew. Have you ever noticed that talking
heads on CNBC like Jim Kramer and sports broadcasters have
a similar trait Going into the British Open, there were
so many potential winners. Once Scotty finally won convincingly, it
was inevitable and he is the next Tiger, et cetera. Well,
who's saying that? Yeah, I didn't see anybody that was

(56:56):
I mean, honestly, in the fourth round, it was pretty
much inevitable that he was going to win that tournament
pretty much going I do think the fourth round morning
it was we do is pretty much over. I do
think I feel like the players knew that.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, And I do think this was a tournament where,
I mean, he's been really, really good for a long time.
This was a I do think this was a tournament
where people will start to look at Scotty s Sheffler
even a little differently, like elevated his level if he
continues to do this at any Do I think I
look at Scheffler different today than I did three months ago.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
To you or no, I mean, well, of course, I
mean two majors and what the year he's had in
twenty twenty five. I mean, yeah, at the end of
it pretty much. I mean, if he wins the FedEx
Cup as well, I mean, Jesus, it'll be a hell
of a season by him. So yeah, I mean I
would never put him in the tight like we've talked
about on Monday, you have to kind of do a
little you know, flip basically this again. Then we could

(57:50):
get into the Tiger right the eight majors, how many wins,
because he still has a long way to go to
be even considered into the Tiger Woods category. I just think,
like he said, like Andrew said that talking heads are
sitting there pounding that into your brain because they're that's
what they're doing. That's what they're trying to do. The ESPNS.
They're getting all the hot, taky kind of stuff. But
to compare them to Jim Kramer, Who's I can't believe

(58:12):
Jim Kramer is still doing that shit on c NBC
because I watch American Greed every once in a while
and they pop his commercials up there. I'm like, Jim
Kramer is still doing this charging people? Right? Yeah, thanks, Gram.
I appreciate all of our conversations. I gotta say sometimes,
you know, I love doing this show. I just feel
like we can bounce stuff off each other. Yeah, I
was anyway, Yeah, sorry, I was just and I didn't

(58:33):
really anything. It was a good point, but I don't
really know what to say. No, it was, it was great.
I agreeing with you. I agree. I appreciate it. Yes, yeah,
not even a word. Just Steve can, Grahaminito, and Yeasa
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(58:56):
Maybe they just do, Maybe they just do the opposite
of last season. Go from a postseason lock to the
outside looking in by September. And I've thought about that.
I thought about that about three weeks ago. I'm like, damn,
I was at a playoff game last year and I
didn't think that was possible at this time last year.
How could it be possible?

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I would not watch the Tigers game this weekend without
Groovy Donuts in your system. If you have a box
of Groovy Donuts with you, just just to comfort yourself.
Man like nothing comfort, nothing brings joy. Nothing can ease
the pain better than a box of Groovy Donuts. And
if you're going to you know you have people over,
or you're just looking for something to I'm telling you
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Speaker 3 (59:56):
Mister ben Jen with a question from Istanbul. Wow, how
doomed are the Lions having already lost a d tackle
for the season among other injuries already. Yeah, it's the
Peyton Manning curse. Yeah, I'd rather have it. I knew
it happened now when you can still make moves and
adjust easier than you can in the season. And it
wasn't like it was the critical cruise nobody else please, yeah,

(01:00:18):
you know, Mike Scott. Next, it's the lying about having
shows and then bailing with no explanation that makes me sad.
It's always the lying that's the worst. It's not it's
that's on me. Sorry, miss wend I should have told
Couch before the show about Wednesday after on Monday, and
it's not just.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
That, like and it turned out my mother's surgery was Tuesday.
Wednesday was kind of a little bit of a still
of a you know that coin flip coin flipping our Yeah,
like it was not it was great revenue on this
earth mom anatives. It worked out that we didn't have
a show, but we did not discuss it before the show, right,
so we I just don't know the usual Wednesday stuff

(01:00:55):
and that was that was I'm sorry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, that's not me, Ben truck Next. Last year there
were seven Spartan Speak episodes during football season. What's the
over under for the twenty twenty five football season?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I would I would set it at nine and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Whoa, yeah, so what happened last year is what happened seven.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
I took more control of it in terms of like,
so last year Phil Friend had moved, so take the under. No,
that's fair that I took control. Phil Friend had moved
to a different job but was still producing it in
certain ways, and so our schedules and his schedules needed
to align and all that stuff. And it does get
trickier in November when basketball season start touts usually when
you know, but I do think we'll have one almost

(01:01:37):
every week now that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
I would say the under. I would take the over
nine and a half. I've taken this over Thomas. What's
a unique lancing attraction restaurant, et cetera? In addition to
the requisite ad reads that you think needs more love.
One of my friends is moving to the area and
I'm compiling recommendations for them. Jesus, yes, go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Over to couch his House, yeah, obviously three and casting company,
uh and Midtown Brewing Company we mentioned besides the besides right,
I'm just you know, putting them in there. So people
U places that recommendations they need to go. Places like
dag Woods I love, like if you're looking for a
good dive bar, you know, unique attractions to Lancing that

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would be I mean, Stay Capital is a fun little
fun little tour and and things like that and lug DUTs. Yeah, yeah,
the Yeah, I'm trying to think what another great place
l S Techo the west side one, not the east Lanting,
the real ls Techo on the west side would be.
It would be another Yeah, we'll go through it, Thomas

(01:02:46):
to reach out to me. I've got I could come
up with other other things, but uh, yeah, there's lots
there's lots of lots of good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
And get your phone number. Yeah, take it out there,
the Honda Carpenter of Southern Main. Next, I took Michigan
to make the playoff at plus two hundred, I have
MSU under five and a half wins at plus one
oh five, which is more likely to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
All right, so Jason, what do you think here Michigan
to make the playoff plus two hundred MSU under five
and a half wins, which is more like I.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Like Michigan to make the playoff. I just don't plus
one oh five. I don't like that that short kind
of money. I mean the plus plus one o five
for under five and a half. I mean, you went
through the schedule, and I feel like they can get.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
The five six six. So here here's I still like
Michigan to make the playoff plus I would go, well,
I don't those two. I don't love the The fact
there's expanded playoff makes seems more possible. Obviously, if Michigan's
gonna ride with a true freshman quarterback all year and
truly ride with him, I do not think they make
the playoff. It's just very hard to do. And maybe

(01:03:45):
they've got everything else around him. Maybe he's a you know, next.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Level playoff pay is it minus money?

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, it would not be great. So I think it's
more likely that MSU finishes under five and a half wins. Frankly,
I don't think either is likely. I've told people I
think the over MSU is you know, I think six
is a pretty good play I don't think it's like
a lot, but I would think under five and a
half is more likely than Michigan making the playoff if

(01:04:13):
they're truly going to ride with the true freshman quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Skyler Verdon with nil and paying players. How much money
is it worth being a three star versus four star
versus five star. I feel it's worth bribing recruiters with
how much money is on the line and how much
people obsess over stars.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Depends on the kid in the market, you know, and
you know it will be interesting going forward how much
schools want to pay recruits versus guys they have in
their program. Like one of the things that Jonathan Smith
talked about this week at ten Media Days was the
seventy guys returning and the continuity and how important that
was at the program, And I think it is. And

(01:04:52):
keeping guys like Stanton Rammel, who's you know, all of
a sudden is your best offensive lineman and you need
to make sure he's paid like it. Like those sort
of things I think I have to be priorities. I
think the recruiting money is where it gets dicey. I would,
you know, I do think the only I think the
best thing that could happen in some ways to getting recruiting.

(01:05:13):
How recruits are paid under under control will be collective bargaining.
Because the union, the players union, or whatever association of
players agrees to something, we'll not give two shits about
recruits because they'll already be players, They're already being college.
They'll want to get paid there. It'll be a weak
union in that sense. And if you might actually wind
up with some sort of salary limit or salary scale

(01:05:36):
for recruits, if it's collectively bargained and the people making
that decision for the players are largely people are already
current players.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Original Dark Mantonio. Why is MSU so obsessed with beating Michigan.
I listen to pods of other schools and they want
to beat their rival, But aside from Ohio State, I
don't hear the same kind of talk as MSU. Here.
It's Smith's got to win eight game and has to
or has to beat Michigan, the next coach must beat
Michigan at a sixty percent clip, and on and on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Well, I do think it's one of the more intense
rivalries out there, and there's a lot of feelings that
are deep seated and pent up, and it's also a
rivalry that it it is. It definitely makes the mood
okay and for Michigan State fans, and it does to

(01:06:28):
some degree for Michigan fans. Michigan State fans have seen
themselves take control of that rivalry. They know how it feels,
They've seen coaches do it, and and they I think
they think it's possible. And so that's part of it too.
But there's a lot there's just a lot of really
intense feelings, and I bet there are a lot more
matchups and rivalries where people feel the same. I bet

(01:06:48):
you at Auburn they feel the same way about Alabama, Right,
I don't think it's they do.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Yeah, no way. Original you once said with Aiden Childs
on campus, MSU should be competing for college football playoff
appearances and Big Ten titles. He has one, maybe two
years left, and they don't seem to be on a
trajectory to really compete for either in that time. So
will Smith's tenure with Chiles as the starter be a failure?

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Well, you never know when that's going to come on
out of nowhere. Like the twenty twenty one team nobody
saw coming from Michigan State and all of a sudden
that would have been a playoff team right in the
modern current twelve team playoff system, And so you don't
know when it could happen, and especially if there's you know,
two years left. We'll see and if he has a
great year this year and a great year to the
point that he's an NFL prospect, in a first round

(01:07:37):
prospect and is ready to leave, they're probably going to
have the type of season where they're in the discussion
for it, right so I but yeah, if they get
nowhere with Chiles as the starter. I also don't think
though that the whole ten year of Jonathan Smith is
built throughout Ay and Chiles. They're developing a quarterback now,
they'll sign others, but certainly he was supposed to be
and is the guy who ushers in the new era

(01:07:59):
and is really key to early success. And he's a
big time talent. So if they're not, you know, if
they're never competing for a playoff in Child's tenure and
he plays two more years, yeah, that would be disappointment, no,
no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Sinner's Dog ninety seven, Why would a journalist delete a
video of him talking to three players of the school
he covers. If they wanted their comments with drawn, why
wasn't the article he wrote about their comments not also removed?
And for money back, who do you think asked Tony
Garcia to delete the video of Michigan players being jackasses?
And why did he bend over for them like Dominic

(01:08:35):
hooker girlfriend? And no, I'm not buying Tony retweeting harness
hypothetical explanation. After days of ignoring everyone that was asking
why he deleted it, Hearns gave him an out and
he's going with it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
And we need Harns on staff for these sort of
questions because Harnses is interested in this, Like Harnes has
that fan mentality of like, wait, what happened? What was
the video? It was like a video of like Michigan players.
I didn't even listen to the audio, but they were
like beating Michigan State players with a belt or beating
they were saying they were going to beat up on
Michigan State. Whatever it was. I didn't even watch them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
It was that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
It was that and then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Used to please to brush your teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
I think there was still a story about it the roll,
but he deleted the actual video. I have no idea.
I don't even know the explanation, and I'm sorry it
is I shouldn't Tony Garcia one of those just nice
guys though he is and he's not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
He doesn't. I don't mean any harm and I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Don't and I should look up and I apologize for
not having an answer to this. I just have an
answer for this. Well, I know, Tony Garcia. It works
in my company. I just I'm not even talking about that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I even even watch the video, like I am so
disengaged from this ship in the summer and care so little.
And I apologize because that makes us less of a show.
And I want you guys to really people want sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I'm sorry you're willing to do an erect all dysfunction,
ten Ka, you can't be bothered with a ten second
video for our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Didn't say that. I didn't say I love these people
the same, and I probably do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
I will do better. I'm sorry for Graham. I'm gonna
apologize for him. I don't know if anybody asked him,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
I don't know. The situation is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
He's talking about having horns on staff, like what is wrong? Well,
because Harns will ask the questions that that that no
one wants to ask. No one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
Well that's not just that no one, but it's like, really,
am We're gonna deal with this, all right, Arns will
deal with it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
That's good. It's good to have a Hearns around it sometimes. Jared.
For college football, what's your final four at national champion
this years? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
I mean, honestly, it's it's it's too early, uh to even.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I need to go to the Mountain West, uh Press
Days or whatever the fuck they know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I was trying to do a like an all Big
Ten rankings and an all conference team for some public,
you know, publication that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
It asked for it. And I it's just it's really
hard half assed in one of those well yeah, because
you're looking at what other people say. Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
No, it wasn't one of those, but it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
It was. But still I used to dive into those
as a kid man. I could not wait for those magazines.
It's tough to know that there's some half ass columnist
out there that's just gonna send one fire one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
And I and I don't know why Tony deleted that video.
I would not have deleted that if I and again.
I just feel bad that I don't have a better answer,
but I call him right now. Yeah, it's it's yeah.
I mean the thing Harns has going for them, though,
is he is everything you're thinking he thinks like it's
inside the MSU fan mind of like, wait a second,
what why did Detroit media just do this? You know that?

(01:11:23):
And like in an instant question, on on on, But
it's not like I mean, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Not, uh, did Harn's just venmo you to mention him again?
What is happening? I'm just saying it's not. It's a
useful service. It really is that. I'm not you want
to plug his website?

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
What fuck is happening? All right? Alan Pearlstein. Will Jackson
Cohler be a twenty five minutes per game player at
the five next season?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Not at the five? I think he'll be a twenty
five minute per game player, but I think he'll play
a mix of four and five. I think you'll see
a lot of Cooper. I think you'll see Jesse McCulloch.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
I I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
But I do think you know some of that will
be as about him and more about what other guys
do to force their way on the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Or not so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
For example, I think one of Kohler's real advantages is
he can play either position. Some of it's a little
bit matchup dependent, but he's their best rebounder. But if
cam Ward winds up being somebody who really has to
be on the floor a lot, then Jackson Cohler is
going to play more at the five, right, And so
how good people are around him who are smaller players

(01:12:27):
will determine how much he is really at the five.
I would guess that Jackson Coher is a twenty seven
minute a game guy, and you know ten minutes of
that is at the five. But there's an argument that
certain lineups, and you know, there was a point last
year where they went smaller and that made them better.
If their best lineup winds up being with Coler at

(01:12:48):
the five, then there'll be more of that. But twenty
five minutes seems very high.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Travis Maynard next, last week I asked about depth, you
said it depends on whose ankle. So are we an
ankle away from Nick Sanders playing meaningful men and it's
at the point or would tang or Fort slide over?
Why can't we just order one of those twenty two
year old euro pros like everybody else. Why Graham? Why So?

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
What you're saying is if Jeremy Fears went down or
or uh you know, divine uh google Google that sounds right,
sounds right, went down? Would would then? They know they would?
They would? They they wouldn't play next standards? What what
would happen then? Is you know, Trey Ford is a
guy who's comfortable handing the ball. He was a point

(01:13:31):
guard at one of his junior colleges, so he's been
a combo guard. I think I think that is what
you would see more of. You would probably see Trey
fort in that role to some degree.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
You think is just calls him niek, like is even
a temph? The last name?

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
I mean, I mean divine, divine? What did I say?

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Maybe called be amazing? You called him? I would love that.
It's great, Parker Waise.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Next, what's the consensus on how Smith did a Big
ten media day? Did he raise excitement or lower it
or did it stay the same? And were there any
winners or losers from Big ten media days? The loser
to me is the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah, The loser to me is just reason and rationale
and respect for the big ten Commission and coaches. Because
like Kurt Signetti, he has a point in that playing
a freaking waste of time schedule got them helped them
get into the playoff last year, So why would you
do anything different. So when Signetti talks about, you know,
dumping a series of Virginia to pick up a couple
FCS teams and they played nobody again this year, I

(01:14:32):
like that, just to me, is not what college football
should be about. Like who wants that? Like you want
big games? Like, if you think about it from Michigan
State perspective, you're going to Spartan Stadium. You don't want
them to play three nobody opponents in the non conference
at home. If you've got three home games, you know
you want Boston. Boston College isn't like you know, Boston

(01:14:52):
College is in Alabama, but it's at least a notable
historic program. Right, It's not like you're playing three FCS teams.
It's not playing Kennesauce date and you and and you
think back to like twenty fifteen and that Oregon game
that was so significant at MSU, one of the great
nights at Spartan Stadium in a long time. You want
those events and I think the playoff needs to be

(01:15:13):
set up to encourage that too. So like Signetti and
and that that that stuff, and and uh and Petit
and all these Italians and like these no offense to Italians.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
I like Italians. I'm just saying, you know, other than
the fact you celebrate Christoper Columbus Day, other than that,
like Italians. But the idea that there should be four
four playoff berths, uh, automated automatic playoff berths of the
Big ten just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.
Like in what world is the Big ten automatically better
than the ACC or Big twelve every year? So they

(01:15:47):
only get two and the Big ten gets four. You
can't predetermine that if you want automatic bids, everybody gets four.
Who's a powerful conference? Like some of this stuff has
no reason in rationale and they're just selling it spoonful.
You know, it's just shoveling the shit at us, Like
you know, you're supposed to be logical human being and
these are smart people, and yet uh, don't don't buy
this stuff. I think it was the loss of respect
and reason were the big losers at Media Day. Uh

(01:16:10):
you know, I was not at media day. So I'm
Jonathan Smith in terms of his overall you know, press availability.
I don't know how it went so after all that. Sorry,
I have no idea how it went here and nothing.
Dave Laken next, it's probably just a coach speak thing.
But does Jonathan Smith use more or less cliches than
the average coach when addressing the media. Is it harder

(01:16:32):
for Jason to pick up interesting Coach Smith sound bites
to use while you're talking? What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah? It doesn't use a ton of cliches.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
He speaks like Yoda. We've talked about this before, Like
he'll do sentences where it's you know, and I'm sorry,
only one person speaks like Yoda.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Do you think that Bill Beakman that's real? Literally, I
did not do anything to that, but he'll he'll.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, it's it's sort of the order in which the
sentences is that he'll he'll has he Do you think think?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Let me come on that Bill be just says Bill
Beakman at the end. I love the show. Maddy b.
Sharon Moore faced one question one about cheating at media Day,
and this was as a repeat offender. How can anyone
say that they are not treated differently by the media.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
They don't televise his podium, but they just televised the
press conference. And you don't waste good questions. If you
ask a question at the press conference, you're wasting your
fucking time. Like the podium is where the elist has
a chance, and I don't think they televised that, So
I don't know what what he was asking. Maybe you're
referring to this and maybe you've read everything, and maybe
he wasn't. Maybe you should have been asked more. They're
just there were a lot of people didn't make this trip,

(01:17:38):
and you know, maybe more should still ask him about that.
But I don't know how much he was asked. So
I wouldn't go based on what you saw at the
press conference, because that's not really where Big ten Media
Days happened.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Maddy B. Does this Tiger's team remind you of last
year's MSU basketball team? A great sum of parts, but
not quite elite yet. Guys like Sweeney and Veerlin only
take you so far. Maybe this is the Tigers version
mid February slump. Yeah, I mean everybody slumps, right, I
mean it does feel worse just because we can't score

(01:18:13):
any runs. But all of these other teams with the
best record in Major League Baseball, I've had slumps. Yeah,
I panicking too much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
I don't think that analogy is there. I don't. It
doesn't feel the same. Like I generally worry right now
whether this Tigers team is just not very good, like
they're playing that like the Michigan State went through a
slump where yeah, they don't look as good as they
did with their best and it's not firing in all cylinders.
So there's that realm of it. But yeah, I don't know.
I desperately need to see the Tigers have like a
winning series. That would help, Yeah, just to change how

(01:18:44):
I feel about them right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Munfield keg. Now that Strayhorn is off football the football
radio broadcast, isn't it time for MSU to upgrade both
sports play by play guys? Look at how much Benetti
raised the bar and the Tigers broadcast. I would love
someone younger who could grow into the voice of m sports.
Get a Johnny Kane what sorry, Yeah, get it, Johnny serious,

(01:19:06):
get it? Johnny Kane, Sorry, early hot take, So we
don't do George Johnny Kane throws me off.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
We don't have George blahas slander on this podcast, so
we can't. You know, that's the we can talk about
Will Teaman though it's about time well and and again,
who would be a good I do think I do
think you do. And there's a couple of things. One,
football is much less of a commitment. You can fly
somebody in. You can get a bigger name that come in,
you know, twelve broadcasts basketballs is But if you could

(01:19:34):
find somebody who was a good voice of Michigan State,
you know, radio, and pay them enough to make that
worth and and grow into the role and be there
for a while, that would be great. One once once,
once Blaha decides he's done.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Yeah, uh c dubs ninety one. What does it mean
if a bet has value? Doesn't every bet have value?
If you win money, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Uh No. Value means like a guarantee win. Yes, so
you look at it. You look at a at a
line and you may not win the bet, but the
line is good, so there's value in the line. You think, boy,
this is a good value bet. And that's what it means. Now,
wheneverether you win or lose, is not that important. Value

(01:20:19):
is in the in the spread, in the juice, in
what in the bet.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
You it makes you feel better when you lose, and
you like while it had value, had value, it was
a good bet, right seed ubs is ad revenue for
online news that horrible that I need to pay to
read articles on almost every news site nowadays, major news
networks included.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Unfortunately, that's what it is. I you know, maybe brutal
it is. It is is not helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Daily mails just started doing that where you have to
pay for their ship. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry paying for that,
Clint Baaney. One ball. What ranking will MSU hockey have
on the first poll of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
It'll be top four, you know, I mean they were
a number one seed last year. They got a lot
of guys back. I don't know exactly what you know,
who else says whatever else out there, but it'll be
top four for.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Sure, Clint. How the hell did Penn State Hockey creep
up on us so fast?

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Well, Penn State started a program which helped him initially
because you didn't have you know, sometimes it helps to
start fresh. But you know, they've been good at times,
and obviously they were really good last year that I
don't think it. I don't think it happened fast. They've
been really good at times. This has never been a
bad program.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
Clint will Nick marsh lead the Big Ten in receiving tds.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
He'll have a chance. I mean, obviously the kid ot
Ohio State is, you know, next level attentioning. These guys
are like sophomores and stuff to play a whole nother
year before they can go to the Big Ten. But
Marshall have a chance. You're getting paid because he'll be
a featured dude.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Some dude couch. You know you should just stop defending
your blue wall colleagues. It goes like this. You stammer
through three minutes of saying why there isn't a blue wall,
and then follow it up by saying you don't read
half the ship we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Oh man, he's been listen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It's like a live nails. Yeah. I personally don't read
any of it either. As I figured it all out
about twenty years ago. You're not qualified to dispute the
blue wall. God damn, some dude. Oh man, it's yeah,
ask Graham for a gift card when you see them.
We are going to wrap on that, and I apologize
because we have a bunch of really good ones that

(01:22:15):
we will include in Monday show. And I promise we
will include them in Monday show. It's just we ran
out of time. That's a great way to end it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
It is a good way. It's not going to be
better than that. We appreciate all of you putting up
with what with just my averageness and especially especially today.
Will be better Monday. I promise, well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Now we will. I don't.

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