Ep. 1052: Hot Take Monday: MSU and Michigan football season win totals and MSU basketball recruiting

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Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, And by the way, how are you, like, are
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you had to take care of her? I was five
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Speaker 3 (05:32):
This is part of the deal, and I am happy
to do it. So you're not a burden. You're still here.
I mean, look at the alternative You're dead. Not a
great moment my Friday Show. It's one of my favorites.
Oh my gosh. Anyway, Yeah, how you doing.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
You're good. I'm good man. Yeah, it was a great weekend.
So I'm excited to be here. I'm excited that Tigers
didn't blow that game last night and we have some hope.
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well you're ready to dig into these
hot takes, and let's start. If he's starting Fort Detroit,
sike a scampling And you saw was there any point

(06:11):
that ninth inning last night where you were thinking, like,
oh boy, if they come back. I know there was
ten to four at some one point there in the
ninth I was glad.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
I was glad it happened for this reason, the way
that Jackson could not, you know, throw a strike, throw
a strike.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Because he got this guy.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
It reaffirmed the fact that really, outside of will Vest,
they are in nothing. Bulder screwed. Yeah and right, and
so you need that when you have a good moment
like that was a feel good game, jack Jack Flaherty
is great again.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I know, sure's they're struck, struck us out eleven times.
I'm gett a hit till they eighth. Any, I mean
you're gonna win ten hits. That's a feel good game
most by most standards. Right.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And then at the same time or Glaber got a
three run home. Excuse me, you're reminded that. Okay, there's
there's something really fundamentally wrong here though with this team
in terms of being able to do anything.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Does Scott Harris know that?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yes, sure, yes, And I bet you what he's trying
to figure out is, I mean they're at a weird
spot where now it's you're not going to sell, but
how all into you go? What do you give up?
And you're trying you also have to you know, if
how is that even in.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
The conversation of selling, though, if you're up that much
in your idea, and I know that that we had
a little downspurt there have lost a lot of games
in a row, but my god, we're still up what
eight games, seven games, seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
So I don't think the conversation should ever be about
selling or buying. It should be completely about what is
the best value. And if somebody were to overwhelm you
with the trade in the Hall of the sentry for
somebody like Trek Schouogle, you listen regardless, especially when you
don't when I just say regardless, but you listen when
you have a team that has enough flaws that you

(07:51):
can go that team's not gonna win a World Series
as constructed by the same token. If you can keep
this team and add a couple of bullpen arms and
ideally out of bat but a couple of bullpen arms
for sure, because you do get to the postseason, by
the way, and some of your starters a little bit
going to the bullpen, like the rotation changes a little bit,

(08:12):
and things are things are a little bit different, But
you know, I don't know how good, So it's not a.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Buyer and you're a seller and you're just standing, Pat,
You're pretty much a standing.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
You're you're wasting time, right, And so I don't I
don't like that either. I don't I don't love.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't love, because that's all I heard all weekend
is how it's you know, everybody. Bob Nightingale is even
saying it looks like the Tigers might stand Pat. We
got Suarez coming into town with the Diamondbacks for a
three game series starting tonight. So could the he be
a Now he's only through contract for what through twenty
twenty five, so he would be a rental unless you
could convince him to sign an extension or something like that.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Again, and if it's a rental, how much are you
willing to give up? It can't be too much, right,
You're it's a rental. And unless you're right, unless it
comes the deal comes with an extension in the moment
or whatever that sort of deal. Yeah, it look, I
think it was important that Sunday happened. You can tell
it by the tone of the some of the Tiger
takes we have today from listeners, like people are are
at ease because it does feel like a moment, and

(09:07):
I think they said it on the broadcast, like you'll
never feel like you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
We want to keep prospects. But answer me this, Scott Harris.
Are we going to pay them when it comes time
where they are actually producing and they become part of
the organization like a schoobl Or are we just going
to sit there and you know, kowtow to all the
Dodgers and all the other top teams that have a
payroll that I mean, the tax on their fucking payroll
is higher than our payroll.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
But if you've got another guy for like seven years
before he's you know, under before you have to pay
him anyway, that's that's a little different. But yeah, I
would look at somebody like, if it's a Scott Boris
client who's nineteen years old, fucking move them.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
But how Harry Boris, how much longer does he has?
There a good Scott Boris junior or something that we
have to worry about in the future here.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And when that guy dies will be helpful. But that's
a way I guess there's no other agent.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, that's his cutthroats waiting to step in and be
the next Scott Boris. Like I can understand you want
money for your client. There's no salary cap. It's got
to be amazing. And you have a team that's like
the Detroit Tigers. I just I just pray that we
at least offer something to school bl because I you know,
I just don't see it happening. I'm starting to prepare
myself to not eat Little Caesar's pizza anymore and not

(10:12):
see Trek's scooball in two years every time I see
him pitch.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
All right, you're ready for my first out take? Of course,
So after this show Friday and usual perfect timing. About
two hours after the show, Michigan State Basketball got a
pledge from Carlos Medlock, junior, five eleven point guard out
of Detroit, son of Eastern Michigan legend. Carlos Medlock senior,
who I covered in like is a freshman in two

(10:39):
thousand and five. These guys, I mean, it's amazing how
some of these guys are not that old. Like Medlock
and Jeremy Fear's senior were freshmen together in the MAC
like two of the really talented young point guards at
one point in like two thousand and five oh six.
But anyway, everything you see about this guy, and you

(11:00):
here is that he's somebody who's ranking is climbing. A
lot of people think very highly of him. He's not
the biggest point guard. But I really really like the
fact that they didn't let that hold them back because
Michigan State and a lot of places have a history
of struggling with this. Michigan State it was Tyler Ewlis,

(11:20):
you know, and I understand there was another great guard
out there that they were going after at the time,
but if Eulis was a little bit bigger, they would
not have hesitated with him, right, and then Tyler Ewliss
would have been there is before Kentucky ever came into
the picture. I look, you know, there have been lots
of these guys throughout time, DJ Cooper, I mean Bruce,
David Bailey, And if you don't know these guys, David

(11:41):
Bailey at Loyola was incredible. It's like Barry Sanders on
a basketball court in early two thousands, DJ Cooper. Michigan
fans will remember because he ran circles around him in
the NCAA Tournament Ohio. These are guys who anybody could
have had, and they cost people jobs. The fact that
Bruce Webber didn't recruit DJ Cooper, Bruce Weber eventually gets fired,
Like if he just recruits DJ Cooper, his entire ending

(12:03):
at Illinois is different. Brian Ellerby at Michigan, if he
had just like he had a little bit of interest
in David Bailey, that would have been a different ending.
Now I don't think llerb would have been the answer
at Michigan, But the point is coaches get fired for
this mistake a lot. It costs them final fours, like
it might have costzz one. Because if you put Tyler
Ulis on that Denzel Valentine twenty sixteen team, that's that's

(12:27):
a pretty nice addition for that team. Probably doesn't lose.
The Middle Tennessee State probably is a one seed. Probably
it's a different it's a different trajectory entirely. Right would
have been on the twenty fourteen to fifteen team, probably
would have stuck around for that thirty year, for twenty
sixteen two. I think if he had been at Michigan State,
because the culture is different where at Kentucky at that
point it was like push you out. This is before
nil when he would have made a ton of money.
It was like push you out the door as soon

(12:49):
as you can be a pro. He was a second
round pick and washed out of the league pretty quickly.
Point being, while small point guards can have deficiencies and
you cannot be too in the backcourt when you're talking
about point guards, really good point guards. And Medlock's got
a little little half to him as well. He looks
like a strong kid. I think he'll be fine. But

(13:10):
if you've got a guard you really like, don't overthink
the size. I mean, Cassius Winston was only about six
feet tall. Wasn't the most athletic guy in the world,
was smooth as could be in one of the top
couple players in Michigan state basketball history.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
A guy likes Shot Phillips from Detroit Mercers Shot Phillips
twit yep could have absolutely played played at Detroit with
Desmond Ferguson, who runs the Moneyball PROHM and owns Moneyball Sports,
where they were pairing.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I mean, this is something coaches have struggled with for
a long time, and it's cost them their jobs, and
it's cost the final fours and maybe national championships. And
I'm not saying Medlock's going to be a program changing player.
But it is good for MSU that when they identify
him as somebody not only an in state kid, which

(13:57):
I think is important this day and age, when you're
trying to hang on kids for multiple years in the
Revshire era and transfer Portal era, you go get a
kid from Detroit, and.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It does that matter anymore? When you have private planes,
you can put these kids down because it's their families,
it's where their family's from. It's how easy it is
for them to see them play, it's what views, it's
how they view a certain program because they've grown up
around a certain place. You know, Michigan State basketball to
kids around here is a bigger deal than it probably
is to a kid who grows up somewhere else. Like

(14:30):
one of the reasons Izzo has been able to put
a fence around Michigan State, or around Michigan I should say,
or was for a long long time, and really that
four hour radius, you know, make headway in terms of
recruiting the top guys at Indianapolis and certain places in
Ohio and things like that. Is kids who grow up
in this era area in this region view Michigan State

(14:53):
and a similar plane with the Dukes and Kentuckys of
the world, whereas if you're down south or you're out west,
Duke in Kentucky is to another level, right, And so
Michigan State is a big deal if you're now. I'm
not saying it's not a big deal elsewhere. Josh Langford
wanted to play in the Big Ten, wanted to play
at Michigan State. There's like they get guys from from
outside the area. Still fairly off in these days, but

(15:15):
there is something about Michigan State, if you're around here,
there is a cachet to it that I think is
a little different, and that matters. But yeah, for Michigan State,
I just think this is this is a good get.
And you know, you start to look at the lineage
of point guards and you know, in this age when
there is the transfer portal, yeah you can you can
never have too money, but you also have to be

(15:36):
careful not to recruit over people. You know, they just
bring in the kid who's gonna be a sophomore from
from Miami Divine Hugo Chuqua, I get that right, Ugie,
I'll get there. Ugi.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
And obviously Jeremy Fears has as many as three years
left from four years left. What was he a red shirt?
Three years left? I guess who knows how many years
still play there. So but this is a this is
a really nice, uh, really nice get. And again it's
the small point guard thing, not letting that get in
your weight and look that small. But there have been
times throughout Michigan State's history and a lot of coaches history,

(16:12):
that they overlook guys who are under six feet and
I think it's been a mistake a lot of times,
and probably.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Sure the mentality of change. By now, I mean, I'm
not saying I know Steph Curry is six feet tall
and he's a shooting GUARDI ish kind of you know,
but I mean, honestly, if you can play, especially at
the division ie level, where you never know what a
guy under you know, five ten, five eleven, five nine
could do for your team, and that's still like a
stigma that still blows my mind. The other thing about

(16:40):
you all are I don't care if you're five to nine.
The other thing about guys who are under six feet
is sometimes you get him for four years instead of
two years because they're too short for the NBA, which
also has that stigma. And it's a little more correct
for the NBA because it is a bigger, longer, more
athletic league with every step up. I just think when
you're looking for guy, you know, we talked about this
before in terms of the deal, recruit is Cassius Winston.

(17:01):
It's not Jared Jackson Junior. Now, ideally you're getting both
of them. But if you're getting Jared Jackson junior for
one developmental year and obviously he set blocks records, he
was unbelievable defensive player. I'm not saying he wasn't valuable,
but you'd much rather have Casius Winston. You'd much rather
have the four year guy, even if some of them
don't turn out to be great. Anyway, I thought that

(17:22):
this was notable that they got him and the that
he's not the biggest guy in the world, but he
was somebody that I identified and really wanted the urinal portal.
What is your next take, Well, you know, we all
get angry when our favorite team starts to lose or
a team were covering. I know that you're not a
fan anymore, and I know that we're both fans of

(17:43):
Pat Caputo around here, and he was kind of annoyed
with Jason Bennetti and Andy Dirks, did you hear you hear
about this over the weekend? It was upset that.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
They were that they were being goofy in the and
playing on the and having fun in the in the
on the broadcast, he.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Says, quote, there is a way to be humorous and
to be clever. It's another thing to just whatever the
hell that is. And the team is getting flamed right now.
The ratings aren't up because of the comedy act. Like
you know, he goes on and on talking about and
I can understand, because Bennetti can be out there, but
I just don't know what you want from your play
by play guy. We dealt with Matt Sheppard. We gave

(18:20):
him five glorious years. He had his opportunity. And I
think that's Pat Kapudo's guy, and those are the kind
of guys that Pat Caaputo wants in there. I would
like to be somewhat entertained. If you want to be entertained,
you have to take certain chances, and I think Bennetti
takes those for good or for bad, like you have
to just take both. I understand that he annoys and
drives people the wrong way sometimes, but what are you

(18:41):
supposed to do when you have three to four hours
on a broadcast and you have to make it interesting?
And I know, JK. Simmons, that was the other thing
you went off on a JK. Simmons is on every
broadcast and Jack White, I get that. I get all
of the you know, because I see those Cure commercials
with that Eric po asshole and I just sit there
and rant and rave about it too, So I can understand,
like I kind of appreciate a little bit of Caputo's

(19:03):
old man kind of isms. But I've heard his product
on ninety seven to one, and what he, I know,
thinks is entertainment and it's Pakkaputo talking into a forest
for three hours. And I don't know if that's entertaining
entertaining to me. And I know some people think Pakaputo
is entertaining radio. It's not for me. I think Pakaputo
knows a lot about sports, obviously, so why don't we

(19:23):
you know, I was listening to Drew Laiane's podcast and
they were like, well, why doesn't Pakaputo go up into
the booth and Benett and Dirk's gonna have a good
time with Pakaputo and we can see what fun entertainment
Paka Puto likes to put on. I just ver an
inting or two. I think it would be fun, right,
that would be very entertaining. I like Pakaputo personally, I
always have. I think I think you have one of
the best Packaputo stories about LSJ, though they could probably

(19:45):
you know, yeah, we've told I don't know if we
we've told it recently, so I don't think we have
to do. You know, it's fine that he wanted a
job with LSJ and just a Coast and you know, yeah,
he was at the end of his career. Listen, you
can still like a guy. And if he's an old
man and he's a curmudgeon and he thinks, oh you
know what, I just need a microphone in myself and
I can entertain one thousand people on ninety seven to one.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Okay, one of my favorite things. And this isn't even
a pack of Pudo story. This is that I'm I'm
blanking on his name right now. And I apologize, mad
Dog Dave. No, I'm not gonna get it, but it
was the he was the last. And actually give me
some hop because I feel bad that I don't dim stout.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I am the passenger peacock, and I ride and I ride, I.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Ride through the series.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Backside, I see the stars come out of the sky. Yeah,
the bride and the hollow scy you know it looks
so good too.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm not gonna write anyway up the bike and it
was painful. Yeah, I'm not gonna find it anyway. And
what's that tribute to?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Though? What's a male female? Like?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
It's a male anyway. And Caputo hasn't been in the
Oakland pressant and five years. But besides the point, he
was an Oakland Press columnist for a long, long time, right,
and the Oakland Press was I would say, late to
the digital age a little bit. And so in two
thousand and eight, when I was the backup beat writer
for Booth Newspapers slash mlive dot com for the Tigers

(21:18):
for a summer, the guy who was the Oakland Press
beat writer, like games would go in extra innings later
than the print deadline for the Oakland Press and he'd
be like, well, game's over for the Oakland Press readers,
and he would just go home like they weren't going
to make deadline. So it wasn't it was incredible. It's
a shame you couldn't find that person's name. I know

(21:40):
it's it's it's so, what does that have to do
with Pakapoda? He was he worked at the Oaklan Press.
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so I apologize that was not a great story and it.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Would have been really good if you had the name
of it. It would have been better. On that last
Tiger's game.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, no, I look in terms of
those guys goofing off. I understand. Look, everybody is when
you're in the public eye or you're somebody who's a like,
you open yourself up to criticism. You deserve to be
criticized that people don't. Not everybody.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Just I think there's so many games, and you see
the guys and you watch. If you watch every game
like I do, I can understand you get annoyed by
certain things that happened in the booth and the broadcast, and.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
When people when teams are losing. And I think part
of Matt Shepherd's problem was the Tigers were really bad,
so he came across as annoying the people because the
problem in those those jobs is you you work for
the club and so you're there is a little bit
of spin, especially when it's really bad, and people don't
want to hear it. And so people sometimes when teams
things are really bad, don't want to hear fun and games.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Now, Shephard just reminded me of one of my summer
school teachers that was just he's a cookie cut I
had many, believe me, in my summer in my academic career. Jesus,
where's the word hebaiteia? Anyway, Shephard was just a cookie cutter,
kind of one of those guys that you know, he
just he liked to do his straight arrow kind of

(23:38):
sports stuff. And he's a very good broadcaster, very good
play by play guy. But outside of that, in baseball
you have to, you know, you kind of have to
have some sort of entertainment value and kind of bust
balls and and make fun of yourself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Nothing Bennetti has done to this point has annoyed me,
and I've really enjoyed having him be a Tiger's broadcaster.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
But Papakudo is caputo. Pack what I said, start the
show over.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
We both saw pa is paid for his opinions, and
this is his opinion and he's absolutely entitled to it,
and I have no issue with it. All right, let
me give you my my next take. So we've talked
about in this show for months, because it's July, it's June,
it's May, and there's there's you. When you talk about
ms of Fame, No, but when you talk about MSU football,
there's really no new data points except for, you know,

(24:23):
you get a stretch of of new recruits pledging in
June or things like that, and the idea that they
could be really good this year, they could be really bad.
Trying to figure out what it looks like. And if
you're looking for hope, I just want to rhyme people.
And this is for a column I'm working on for
the LSJ and it has not yet been completely ritch.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Don't interrupt me, mom.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So in the last forty years, Michigan State has had
nine seasons where they've had two losses or fewer, right,
And that's that goes back to the eighty seven Rose
Bowl season. Every other season all those seasons have been
ten wins or more or except when they played fewer
games back then. So the two losses or you know,
that's a very good season for you know, throughout the

(25:09):
all of times in college football. In six of those
nine seasons where they've lost two games or less, the
year before that they've won six or fewer games. So
the idea that almost all of those seasons and all
of them, in all six of those they were unranked

(25:31):
obviously so coming into the year. And so all of
those seasons, sixty six percent of Michigan State's best seasons
in the last forty years have come out of nowhere,
have not been expected. And I think that's just something now.
It also speaks to the idea that they've been, except
for a stretch under D'Antonio, unable to sustain things because

(25:51):
so often they've come out of nowhere and then they've
gone backwards and they haven't been able to stain, you know,
because usually the year after that there are expectations and
sometimes they haven't been able to meet them. But I
just think in terms of what we know and what
we think about this team is fault camp begins on Tuesday.
There you know, there are things we can think and
there are things like I think this offense, if I

(26:12):
had to guess today, is going to be pretty decent.
I think the offensive line is going to be better
than we've seen in a while now, again seeing his believing,
but that I just have this feeling about it. I
think they're going to be pretty good at receiver. I
think they'll be good at quarterback. I think they'll be
okay at running back. And if they have a good
offensive line and it looks like they're really good at
running back, we'll see you with all of it. But defensively,
I have real questions on the defensive line, their ability

(26:33):
to pressure the quarterback. I think they'll be good at linebacker,
we'll see in the secondary. I don't think they're going
to be a complete team. And so you can compare
them to these different teams that were throughout time, came
out of nowhere, and in twenty twenty one is the
best example. This the Kenneth Walker led year, and how
that you know, and there are a lot of differences
from that team twenty seventeen, twenty thirteen, to some degree,
with the Rose Bowl twenty ten, nineteen ninety nine, nineteen

(26:55):
eighty seven. These are years that came out of nowhere
where they weren't very good the year before, and there
are similarities and differences to different parts of those teams.
I'm going right about that a little bit today and
it'll probably be up Monday night on the LSJ site.
But just the point being like, if they come out
of nowhere, you know, most of the time that they've
had really great seasons, it has been that we just

(27:17):
haven't seen it coming. They've had six wins, five wins,
three wins whatever it was the year before, and so
two and five in the COVID year, and so I
just think we don't know, and it's easy to look
at last year and say it's that was shit, and
it was at the end those last five games were shit,

(27:38):
and then it's easy to be concerned about things. And
I think some of that was mitigated by the recruiting
in June, the new athletic director. It feels like people
feel a little more hopeful and a little more have
a little more faith in the competence of everything that's
going on. But just to remind it, like a lot
of the best seasons came out of nowhere, so it

(27:59):
could absolutely happen. It might not happen. There have been
a lot of times there have been bad seasons stacked
on bad seasons, but there are you know, six times,
six of nine of the best seasons Michigan State football's
had in the last forty years, and really five of
eight going back like thirty years, have been just completely

(28:20):
out of nowhere. So I just wanted to point that out.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Holy shit, Oh my god, couch, that is a hall
of fame Michigan State football. July take right there. Thank you? Oh,
thank you?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Shit, thank you? Is that is that the most entertaining?
If that's not, I don't know what is that right there?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
That finity? Are you happy?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
That right there is presented by somebody in Comcast. Absolutely
what day is It's July twenty eighth, Michigan State football.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Take, well, yeah it's And I don't even know if
you said anything? Did he did you say any? Is there?

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You just don't know? Right, but up in there to
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they have great seasons, it often comes out of nowhere.
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Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, I couldn't do it even if I had one.
I would for the people. Let's just go all right,
let's dig into the listener takes Dominic up first. Number One,
sorry I missed last week, Couch, but you don't got
to sub tweet me every show calling out the Strayhorn
Nick marsh thing. Yep, that was me and it was
also very much and it also very much happened. I

(29:55):
don't lie, Bro. Did stray Horn also go to Sexton?
Is he a nice guy like Haller and Harlan and Los. Two? Yes, Couch,
you did offend Italian Americans. Most of us don't celebrate
Krik Christopher Columbus and his genocide. This isn't a fucking
Sopranos meme, Bro, How would you like it if I
made an alpha male joke towards maybe me, b or

(30:17):
are you only a white Knight when it's convenient? And Three,
I am personally getting some dude a gift card for
his couch impression regarding the blue Wall. Holy shit, I
laughed so damn hard, everything down to the stammering and
never answering. Also, Couch, your weak ass, Sharon answer belongs
in the Hall of Wojo, my god man, and bonus,

(30:37):
my ex just asked me if I wanted to partake
in her door dash order. No, I do not. Plenty
of other guys want your hor dash that said, asked
the driver to stop by Walgreens to grab me a
vial of penicillin to inject in my ass because you
were just within eight feet of me.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
What a character Dominic's created with his ex girlfriend here.
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Almost needs a podcast just detailing like what it's about.
It needs to be. We need to do a segment,
a segment there. I have a few people that ask
me about Dominic's hoarring girl ex girlfriend. I know people
are calling for it even here. They want more details.
I don't know my story. And tell you to the to.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
His his number one, we'll all get to you. The
idea of Jason Strayhorn and the idea that he tried
to get Nick Marsh to go to Michigan where his
son is is going. I have not heard that from
from anybody other than Dominic. Dominic well, and I've you know,
I've heard murmurs about that from you know, uh, because
I think it is on message boards and other places.
But and if it happened, that is like I don't,

(31:41):
I didn't, I don't think it happened. But if it happened,
and I'm not calling you a liar. Dominic would never
do that. It's crazy. And then he and then he
deserves to be let go from his radio gig because
you can't do that stuff. That's that would be that's
stupid looking face, that's treasonous and the rivalry discourse, right,
So like you wouldn't do that. So but I'm not
calling What if he did do it? How did it

(32:02):
go down?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Though?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Just did you have Nick Marsh pull to the side.
Were there other people around? I need to like or
Nick Marsh told somebody? I don't know, but again I
don't that's not information I have. Maybe maybe the US
government failed the people when they declined to issue official
email accounts and charge postage per email. It would fix
any spending deficits and resolve spam email. Imagine a world

(32:26):
where LinkedIn doesn't email you.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
What I mean, there's so many missed opportunities in the
early nineties when email first started right on a widespread basis.
I mean newspapers for example, with lots of things I mean,
I mean, there are lots of missed opportunities back then
with the Internet, like classifieds, like the idea that Craigslist
ever existed in newspapers didn't take control of That is
part of the reason we are where we stoppers.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Really dropped the ball. Oh and are still dropping the
ball in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I mean, yeah, there are still some people around who
were in leadership positions in the nineties newspapers. There are
fewer and fewer of them, but a lot of more
in leadership for too long because you should have been
completely exiled from the business if you were making decisions
in the mid nineties, because you are directly responsible. This

(33:13):
Internet is just a fad. A lot of the things
we did not paper staying strong. There were a lot
of opportunities, and it would be amazing if email was
a a per email. But think about if you opened
your email today every day and you had like three
or four emails and they were like quality emails you
actually wanted to read instead of like everything you know,
it would be amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Now I just have three different emails and then one
fills all the way up, I just change it to
a new email. What's the point it scot you? How
does college football incentivize and promote the scheduling culture that
college basketball has where it's not just a number of wins,
but wins against Quad one teams that promoted where a
close where a close loss to Kansas matters more to

(33:52):
the selection committee than one hundred point win over Niagara.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, where game control matters and other things. I think
it starts with parameters. And I thought before were like, again,
if you can't because there should be some intent in
scheduling too a year to year, it's hard to know
what a team would be. And also the bigger problem
in college football is a lot of these games are
scheduled a ways out, so you'd really you know, that's

(34:15):
different than basketball, where it's much more in the previous year.
That said, so if you had a requirement that you
had to play five true road games, and you had
a requirement that you had to play ten Power four teams,
be it in conference or out of conference. So if
you have nine conference games, you see one more. If
you have eight, you need two more, you know, and
then you can only play two FCS or smaller division,

(34:37):
smaller conference teams. If you had that, where you had
that baseline, it would help. And then you just need
like the committee to actually speak to that being a
priority and.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Act on it.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
I mean that that's what that's what it would what
it would take. It would take teams seeing the value
in it. I think that's a That's what it takes.
It takes teams being left out because they're doing what
Indiana's doing, or left out or brought in because they
play an incredible schedule and they serve their fans like
they should. And that's what it takes.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Wait a user name next, you're wrong about scheduling couch
play the weakest schedule you can still, or you can
until a program actually gets penalized for doing it. Play
the hand you are delts, not the hypothetical dream scenario
rewarding non conference intrigue, especially when your league strength of
schedule will be high. Warm weather games will be well

(35:33):
attended regardless, and if you're beating Ohio State, Penn State,
and New Western West Coast teams, no way the strength
of schedule argument holds water.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
So I don't think we should and I understand that
there's one thing to call it a hypothetical dream scenario,
but I also don't think we should live in a
world where it's what you can get away with, Like
that's not the point of this. If that's where we're at,
then fuck it. All like who that you know, Like,
I'm sorry, I apologize, yeah here mumps, But I just

(36:05):
that drives me nuts. The idea that you would not
have what you get, you would not give your fans
great non conference matchups, that you would not try to
increase their experience. Now, I understand winning increases their experience,
and playing in the playoff and increases their experience. So
I understand the argument behind it because and obviously I

(36:25):
don't think Indiana's fan bases is upset about it. I
just think it's trash. I just can't stand it. And
and I'm willing to go toe to toe with anybody,
like I just want to hear people say it to
my face or in leadership why we can't, like if
you're a commissioner or an ad or why why the
preference collectively shouldn't be to create a better experience for fans,

(36:49):
more competitive games, And if it's not, then just say it.
But you're an ass like that if that's what you think,
like if you want to get away with as little
as you can get away with to get to the playoffs,
and I understand like Michigan State fans would happily do that,
right now, to get to the playoff. And that's what
I just I just hate it. I hate it, and
I don't think I'm alone in hating it, and I

(37:10):
wish more people would hate it. And I think it
says something about your character if you don't hate it. Sorry,
I'm getting fired up here, said both Corey Ostrom.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Next, Carlos Medlock Juniors is a big get for Izzo.
I was at the state semi finals last March and
he and Torbert were the most impressive guards there. Yes,
better than Trey McKenny. He is a three level scorer,
a good defender and a great athlete. And from David
s fully buying into Carlos Medlock Junior and this kid

(37:39):
will keep rising in the ranks and we will be
thankful to get in early on them.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, I mean that's the Tyler Eulis mistake. You know,
you're learning from.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
A loas we like can't wait, I mean you like
other loas.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, no, I yeah, I've watched the fair bit of
highlights on this and I've read you know, you crush tape,
seen them a lot not you know, crush tape would
not be it, but you know, you try to learn
what you can from from highlights a little bit, and.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
How many videos do you have to watch for it
to be considered crushing tape or like how much?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Well to me to crush tape, you can't watch highlights.
It has to be games because because crushing tape can
there's a lot of guys crushing tape out there. Let's
say they're crushing yeah. Yeah, crushing tape is watching the
full games because you have to see their strengths and
weaknesses and and know that their weaknesses aren't going to
be something that they're.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
All the technology now we can just you know, yeah,
but we're still crushing tape instead of faster.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
You know, Jason, if you if you played in a game,
if you played in say you played in seventeen competitive basketball.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Games, yeah yeah, I go.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I could put together a two minute tape that made
you look like a Division one prospect out of seven
from the bench. Well, you would have to be playing.
Oh yeah, that would be the challenge. That would be
the challenge. And by the way, I didn't mean the
question would you use your name's character? That's not what
I meant by that. I just I'm annoyed by the
powers that be in college football that they want to.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Judge witty us character. I just don't. I just I'm annoyed.
I'm sorry, Faucet liquorated me to judge you. Dude said
that in a real set, like he was a real person.
I just use their name. I'm sorry, I just yeah,
I'm annoyed by by the powers that be in college football,
and I'm annoyed that they think it's okay, all right,

(39:23):
Skyler Verd and Tyson Walker not making the league makes
me like basketball less. Dude is a baller and a
hard worker, but we are more obsessed with guys like
Xavier Booker as a prospect because of height. I know
it's how basketball works, but it still frustrates me.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Well, it shouldn't be in the college game to some degree,
because the college game is not the NBA game, especially
now with an Iola guy stick around longer and longer.
A guard like Tyson Walker has his great value. Now,
Tyson Walker was a you know it was a good
mid major freshman and then a great mid major sophomore
like his and then he got an extra year because
of COVID. Like his road to being a great big

(40:00):
ten player was not immediate, just like and obviously it
wasn't for Xavier Booker. You don't want to stop recruiting
the Xavier Booker. Booker is an example of a guy
where it didn't work. But a lot of guys built
like Booker with you know, a lot of his tools
and everything, it does work. And what Booker lacked was
just sort of this this part motor, but it wasn't.
It was an aggressiveness more than a motor.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
It was like this shining from contract. He was like
Pacaputo applying for the LSJ job. Boom, there it is
Big John Hogg next number one construction on one twenty
seven and Lansing his ass gonna look nice when it's done, though,
whatever the hell that is? Two red seedar message board
Strayhorn conspiracy theories are about what you'd expect, wildly entertaining though.

(40:45):
And three, what's the most you do for a ten
win season? I'd buy season ticket seat between Chad Lats
and Dominic's hooker X So I mean, yeah, I do
that for a three win season. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
So obviously you take a lesser schedule too if you
do those those those things and I and I totally
get that. The what's the most you think, what would
you do for a let Let's let's put this in
Lions terms, because I don't know what you do for
an ms U ten win season. What what would you
do for an ms U ten one season? What if
I got to sit next to Chad.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Lads the danger Zone? Yeah you do that for nothing, Louck. Yeah, dude,
you're singing a danger zone halftime heading.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Into twilight, spreading out her wings.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Let's put it like this. Let's put it in the
Lions and shoving into the drug see weld. Just be
there together, man, not chess.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
If you could, if you could guarantee fifteen Lions wins
again in the regular season this year, setting up that postseason,
you know, hopefully without the injuries and everything. What what
would you give up? Who would you sit next? Let's
put it this way, who would you sit next to?
Carlos Monorez. Okay, do we get a buy again or
what are you going to do?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Honestly, I know this sounds ridiculous, but dude, fifteen wins
it doesn't matter to me anymore, It really doesn't. I
know that sounds crazy as a Lions fan to say
that it was great last year, but God, that Washington
loss was really brutal. But I would sit next to
Los like, what do you want so throw something terrible
at me? Then all rights give me hot takes all game.

(42:20):
That's pretty ass.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean, like somebody, somebody who who has flatulence, like
that person on a plane that you just go, what
the hell?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Man?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
You know what, We've all been on that plane and
it's just constant for a pomp and constant heat at
nine home games?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Ah, why do these always have to suck? Man? That's
the whole I mean, yeah, I mean what do I
what would I have to do about it? Like I
don't wear a mask or something sign. I mean, yeah,
for the for the team, for the fans, for the team. Yeah, Okay.
Are we gonna do anything in the playoffs though, because
I gotta say, I'm gonna find that guy after he
drops all that heat. If we don't go to the

(42:54):
super Bowl and win, I gotta say it's for all
those nine games. Alex may Or, if you are any
bit confident in MSU's offensive line this season, over five
and a half wins at minus one thirty eight seven
and a half wins plus one fifty and eight win
plus wins eight plus wins. Excuse me? At plus three
hundred are all in play this season? Eight plus all? Right?

(43:18):
That I mean?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
But plus three hundred is their value in that we
had the question the last game about what where's the value?
And so if you look at the different lines for
Michigan statean you can there he's talking about adjusted lines
that you can find on different sports books over five
and a half at minus one thirty eight. Again, you're
playing a little juice, but it's, you know, just get
to six wins. I think that's you know, I don't
think I think anything under you know, minus one. I mean,

(43:42):
I think they're going to get to six, So I
think anything under minus one fifty. But are you willing
to bet one hundred and thirty eight dollars to win
one hundred? Sure, because you want to win a hundred,
that's the whole idea of it, you know, right, But
I mean it's it's over a full season. You don't
get paid out. But here's the question, would you bet
the grind? Would you bet to win one hundred? Would
you bet seven to eight or whatever the number is

(44:02):
on the other end to get to one hundred under
five and a half? What do you feel good about that?
Probably not, so, you know, I'd rather win one hundred
either way. If I think, if I feel good about
a bet, I'm okay with one thirty eight, and I
would I would tell people that that's probably the way
to go. Seven and a half wins or seven wins
at plus one fifty. I think I just in terms

(44:25):
from a value perspective, would Jonathan Smith bet that. I
just don't think that there's enough value there. I think
the better value, if you're going to do value, is
that they have a really good year, things go well,
and they get to eight at plus three hundred. I'm
not saying they're gonna get they hundred, but if you're
going to bet, if you're looking for value and you
get plus three hundred and eight, I think that would
be better value than seven at one fifty.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
I just feel you should be paid out better than
plus three hundred. If you think that Michigan State's going
to get to eight wins, that's all. But there are
scenarios where you can see them getting there. Understood, right,
But I just feel it plus three hundred. I'm like,
oh again, you put confident right now? No, you put
what thirty three down to one hundred, right, So that's
not yeah, all right, Carl. Next, Michigan football plus two
hundred to make the playoff is a lock. Look at

(45:09):
the schedule and find me three losses. They play one
ranked team all year. With that being said, Couch, every
time you listed as wins for MSU, Boston College, Minnesota,
et cetera, their fans are also listening MSU listing MSU
as wins, Lol, take the under his child's would say.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
So, yeah, I'm sure those fan bases are, And I
don't think I've ever listed those teams as wins. I've
listed those as you know, toss ups.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Or so is Carl saying that he went to Minnesota's
to see if, like Minnesota is naming, Michigan State is
a win.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I'm sure they are, because I think they're over unders
like seven and a half or six and a half.
It's it's it's better than better than the Michigan States
for sure. I'm just saying that's a game. That's that's
that's competitive. The Michigan State could win when you look
at do the Michigan point here though? So my big
thing with Michigan and why I went I wouldn't bet
them because what is it minus two hundred to.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Make the playoffs? Is that what he said?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
He said it is plus two hundred plus two hundred.
Well that's again, this is a value thing. It's the
idea of playing a season with a freshman quarterback. I
think their depth of program and again you got to
get to what nine wins to really have a chance.
It's so let's go through their schedule real quick. They're
at Oklahoma September sixth, road game, tough place. I'm not
sure what Oklahoma will be this year. Nebraska on the

(46:25):
road September twentieth is a game like I don't think
much of Wisconsin October fourth, but Nebraska is a team
I think could turn a corner this year. USC all
the way out in La. These are college kids. I
don't know what USC is going to be Washington at home.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Again.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
These are all games where when you're starting a true
freshman quarterback who might wind up playing in the NFL,
but it might wind up playing in the NFL in
three years. Just the history of two freshman quarterbacks, there
aren't a lot of them. Don't make big mistakes. Then
you're on the road at arrival like Michigan State. We've
seen even in years where Michigan is the better team
where that could go wrong. They're going to beat Purdue
obviously at home. Northwestern's really bad. I don't think Maryland's

(46:59):
good on the road in Ohio State at the end.
So games where it is even possible probably for Michigan
to lose would be Ohio State, Michigan State, Washington, USC, Nebraska, Oklahoma.
So there are six games where it's within the realm
of possibility from ten percent to fifty percent or whatever
you want to do, so you can get to a

(47:21):
situation where they wouldn't be in the playoff. You know,
it can hinge on a number of games, but Oklahoma
for sure. Nebraska, I think early on is gonna be
one on the road September twentieth. I think it's going
to be one of their tougher, tougher games and they
do end favorably. I don't think Maryland's going to be good.
Northwestern not good, even though they're both on the road
before Ohio State. So yeah, I mean the challenge is

(47:46):
again freshman quarterback, and I just plus plus two hundred
if that's what the number is, isn't horrible value. I
just I would be nervous about that. Not that he's
not going to be a good player, just that's that's
a lot to rely on. Those things can go, can go, Heywhire,
I'm not talking about Michigan Mike Scott.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Next, if the Tigers are worried that adding a bat
or two would displays players like Vierlin and McKinstry and
Baias and Parker Meadows, then just trade schooble vest and Taurres.
That's the loser way of thinking. And if that's the case,
what's the point of trying to win? And bonus, the
Chiefs will not win the AFC West Oklahoma will beat
Michigan in Norman, and Nebraska is overrated again.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Nebraska is sort of like Michigan State's offensive line, like
it's seeing as believing, Like I do think in both cases.
I think this is going to be a step up
year for them. But I like Matt Ruhle as a
coach to the first part. Yeah, there is something to this,
like the whole point of like, think about this. The
Tigers have an amazing opportunity right now. They're most likely
going to be in the playoffs. They still have a

(48:48):
decent chance the way some other teams are falling around
them right now to get into is a top two
team and get a buy now. If they keep playing
five hundred less baseball the rest of the way, that's
probably not gonna happen for them. But the idea that
you know, we've just seen teams get hot in the postseason,
the idea of punting on an opportunity when what happens

(49:08):
if this winds up being the year it all comes
together and they win a world Here is there have
been years where they've been the best team in baseball
and not won it, So why not take it? I mean,
and if they were to win it, like what the
joy that that would create? And I mean, I just
I don't know. I I I tend to be I'm
not saying you have to be all in where you're
giving up. There should be players that are untouchable beyond
some ridiculous offer. But I also think that if you

(49:33):
don't give, if you're just wasting time and you are
essentially you're not just it's almost worse than selling if
you stand pat in some ways, because if you're not
gonna win it, if you stand pat, you don't have
a bullpen that's going to give you any sort of
shot in the postseason. And if you're gonna do that,
then why not build up for next time? Are there
guys out there that could put us over the edge?

(49:53):
I know that there's Dats always mentioned, I mean Suarez,
you know there's a base but you know there are
lots of good bullpen arms and they need they need
guys with strikeout pitches. They need guys who have get
out pitches, and they don't have enough to say.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Harris listens to offers for schoobl like I would be.
So I'm just so curious to know what some teams
are offering for him, right yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
J C.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Wills. Next, are the Tigers sellers or buyers? I don't
think they'll be sellers people that would really stand patters. Yeah,
I think they'll be slight buyers. America will be set
on fire if they're sellers. Though, really, what else do
we Why am I watching game in game out now?
If we're selling this ship right now?

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Come on? Suburban Spartan Dad, Spartan dog con seems like
such a waste. Smith should invite back pros for the
opening up of camp, like Izzo does Grindweek. It should
be such a cool experience and honestly a great pr.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Play, so it would be cool. There are a few
problems with it. The timing. Most pros are already in
training camp when UH camp starts for college players, so
that doesn't work from that perspective. The other thing with
basketball is you have pickup games. Pros are willing to
come play pickup games with college guys. Pros are not
willing to and nor their NFL teams let them scrimmage

(51:09):
or whatever with you know, college players, and nobody's that
it's in a physical game like football. You might be
able to work out together the weight rooms, and it's
just it's a harder sport time wise and the physicality
of it to do. It would be cool if they
could do something. I don't you know. But the other
dynamic that the Grindweek has is Izzo, who's been All

(51:30):
those guys played for Izzo. He's been around for thirty years.
So you know, you get a new coach and I'm
not saying you should invite guys.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
I'm not sure guys are looking forward to coming back
and grinding it out right before the football season with
their with their old college on their old college campus.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Spartan dog con Like where is that held? I don't
even know.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
That's like, that's like a bunch of former players get
together at I don't know where Jonathan Smith's house used
to be at Meltucker's house. Maybe it's still at Meltucker's house.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I don't enough time
for all. Definitely no time for that, Matt c. Number
one Graham, you summed up media days perfectly on Friday
Show Bravo. It also seemed like all the coaches were
asked to follow a script and take shots at the
SEC or SEC. The Big Ten is so insecure, why
shouldn't we should take where we shouldn't stop scheduling tough

(52:21):
games because the SEC plays eight conference games. Two Graham,
I think it's a rational take to say Jonathan Smith
should get five years, but if he doesn't beat Michigan
this year with the way their players have been acting,
he will lose all credibility with the fans and donors.
They'll be gone. And three Graham, I've started asking chat
GPT how MSU's defense can improve under Rossi in year

(52:43):
two and the answers were pretty impressive. You and your
writer friends better step it up. I don't think a
paywall can save you well, Matt Seed, I don't know
if you heard the third take a couch to start
the show, but I don't know if chat GPT can
give you that remember it.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
At this point I blacked out, I think, thankfully. I
hope you blacked out listening the the The chat GPT
is a it's definitely a factor, and it's a good tool.
And if you're the thing you don't want to be
is mediocre at an age with chat BTD, which is
problem for me generally. But the other thing, the only
good thing about chat GPT and AI writing all this

(53:20):
stuff for people is also writing. Students work right now,
and nobody's actually getting good anymore, and so there's fewer
young people to kick us old farts out because they
haven't actually learned how to write properly. The So we'll
take that. What do they need to learn for it's
throat and chad. They're all going to be within five years,

(53:41):
nobody will be. Everything will be back on the old
the old blue books, writing out uh, writing out their
essays and everything because nobody can be trusted anymore with.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Why Caputo if you hate but Nattie and Derk so
holy shit it wait till you get a load of
Chad gpt.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
To the to the point two though with Jonathans Michigan
five years. But he doesn't beat Michigan with their players
the way the players will acting, he'll lose all credibility
of fans and donors and he'll be gone. I think
there are two separate things. One there's the reality and
the logistics of the financial logistics of his contract and
the time I think he'll get now. You can lose
credibility with fans and owners are a little different. It's

(54:20):
a smaller group, right that you need to keep on
your side. I think it's how the game goes and
how you react to it. So you could lose to
Michigan this year and a game that you feel spided
or it's competitive, and how you react matters in terms
of the credibility. I mean, think about D'Antonio is the
great example of this we've seen, but melt Tucker and

(54:41):
others have done it pretty well at times. How you
treat the Michigan rivalry. It's where John L. Smith, not
just the Michigan rivalry, but he just the way he'd acted,
like Michigan State couldn't compete with Michigan and Ohio State
physically and had to run a gimmick offense, like your
words matter in this case, and they mattered last year,
and I think they hurt John Jonathan Smith a little

(55:01):
a little bit. When I talk to John L. Smith,
I'm talking different Jonathan Smith. But point being, if he
comes out and meets the fan base where they are
after a loss, you could have a situation where Michigan's
a more seasoned football program, a better team. Still it's
a competitive game. They lose, but people feel like it
matters to him and it hurts him, and he's where

(55:21):
they are, and I think that would really matter this year.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
MCV number one. Interstate college football rivalries should be played annually,
regardless of conference affiliation and bonus. Unless you're enrolled in
college and are on your way to class, take off
your pajamas and put on some fucking pants.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
People walking around in pajamas the project understand that that's
when you go through a store, and yeah, yeah, I
think gosh, I just wish in state stuff was prioritized,
you know, obviously traditional rivalries. This is the much football
is a sport that's made by the fans as much

(56:02):
as any other sport, Like it really is, and it's
supposed to be for the fans. And there's a lot
of things going on right now that aren't for the
fans that they don't love. One thing you continue to
do is schedule for them and create a system in
the postseason that is built for them. And that includes
another round of home playoff games in the postseason at
least through the quarterfinals. That includes encouraging good matchups and

(56:26):
Power five matchups, and that encourages you know, and and
then when you're gonna play week teams do it in state,
when you're gonna do lesser teams, do it against teams
where there's there's family ties. And obviously people are mad
at CMU right now, at Michigan State. But that I
just I do not get why the fans which make

(56:47):
this sport, which fund the sport, which have made this sport,
there's just so much ridiculous passion behind it, like they
should be so much more of a priority than they
seem to be right now.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Corey or Ostrom, MSU football will be one of the
Big ten surprise teams. The media has largely been dismissive
of MSU and coach Smith, and the staff has displayed
a quiet confidence, both signs of a team under the radar.
The depth acquired in the offseason will be the difference
in a seven and five season.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, I think they do have decent depth. I think
one of the things that Jonathan Smith brought up was
the idea they had seventy guys back right last year,
you had a group of guys who were sort of,
I think, saying the right things, players who were looking
for something, a different experience than they just had, but
they weren't recruited by Smith. They didn't sign up for this. Well,
now if you come back for year two, you're sort

(57:38):
of signing up for this, right, it's sort of you're
all together. I do think there's better depth in the program.
I don't know whether there's difference makers at certain spots
on defense that are necessary to really have a great year,
but I think there are some difference makers on offense.
I think they should be better at the line of
scrimmage up front, and again, you want to say seeing
is believing, and if it doesn't happen this year. I

(58:00):
promised to never even think that's a possibility again.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
John Johnson Graham's take on preseason polls is correct. However,
he might be the last person we want carrying the torch.
The MF speaks with such certainty on all subjects. He
seems like the perfect candidate to submit a preseason poll
and be convinced he nailed it without any second guessing.
And bonus, guys, you guys need to have a listener's
are asked questions show in July. I am new, but

(58:27):
have so many questions regarding Dominic's for girlfriend, lats on
the pod, Jason's friend he met at Jimmy John's, and
what Jason was like in his twenties, Matt c and
who radicalized him, et cetera, et cetera. Well, yeah, that's
atorial for the new one made Matt see great. Yeah,
you need to find that person. Yeah, we could do.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
The problem is we Yeah, I guess we could answer
some of these questions. I don't know where we are,
and I mean I know some details of Dominic's situation
that I don't know if he'd want one out there,
we definite leave it him. I don't know, yeah, it
gives a lot. I guess he does give us quite
a bit. I'm sure he'd be willing to share some
the to the first part though, And I you know,

(59:11):
I have many many flaws in life, and I'm sure
of many many things I'm wrong about. But UH the
one thing I have always been I think because I
did the UH for a long time. Most people listen here, No,
I did the AP Basketball Poll for years and wrote
a column about it. And one of the things I
did is I put a lot a lot of time
into it on Sundays, and I also watched a lot

(59:33):
of basketball, and I redid my poll each week, and
I had all sorts of standards for road games and
other things, and I wouldn't just look at what the
rankings were to try to fall in line. It was
if I thought a team was really good, I put
them up there, like Buffalo and the year that Nat
Oaks was coaching them, and they were brief to off.
Why yeah, if you didn't play a true road game
by a certain point in December until you did, you

(59:54):
weren't eligible for my ballot. And I just felt that
that was was only fair. So I would be the
last like The one thing I would be very good
at if I had the time these days to do
it would be changing my poll week to week, changing
the ballot and giving based on information that didn't just

(01:00:15):
happened new data, And so I think I would be
good at that. The problem with these ballots and these
polls is a lot of the people who vote don't
see that many games. Basketball is very different than football.
But in football, if you're covering a team, I mean
that's like a ten to fourteen hour day. Most Saturdays,
you might see one other game. And so the idea

(01:00:37):
that you have any concept of what the rest of
college football looks like week to week, and then on
your I won't say a day off, but supecially a
lighter day Sunday, do you have four to eight hours
to really put into it, Because that's what I think
it takes to do well. This is why I think
the Jack Ebling's of the world, people who are retired
or national writers who don't have purpose, Caputo or any

(01:00:58):
of these people, Yeah, who could be like you could
put a group of thirty people together and say you're
gonna do these polls, and you know you're supposed to
watch as much football as you can and put a
lot of time into it, and maybe it's even a
paid gig at some level, because it is a big investment,
and unless you're gonna pay people, it's too much of
an investment to ask. When I was doing it, my
wife was still living in Chicago, and I had a
lot of time on my hand to watch college basketball,

(01:01:20):
and I hadn't discovered Mexican soccer and all that stuff.
I wouldn't do it anymore because even in basketball and football,
I would never do it because I just think it's irresponsible,
because I don't think I would see enough of the
sport to have an educated opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Jay Riemenschneider next, I still can't get the MSU OSU
fans in passionate outcry that Michigan must be punished. It's
almost at the point where it seems it's actually affecting
them personally. As much as I hate MSU in Ohio State,
I truthfully wouldn't care at all about them getting punished
if the roles were reversed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
And you're probably not alone, and there are Michigan State
fans who probably don't care all that much about what
happens to Michigan. They may, you know, hope there's a
little something there for him, but there are a lot
who do, and I think it just to teach their
own and some people, I mean, there are a lot
of Michigan State fans who care as much about Michigan
suffering as they do about the joy they get from

(01:02:14):
Michigan State and that, you know, and there are Michigan
fans who feel the same way. And it's just people
are different in their passion for their school. But and
I think it's more so with Michigan State just because
of the nature of that relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Professor nax Riley Green shaving his beard as a slumpbuster
will become a piece of legendary Tiger's lower after they
win the World Series this season. And bonus, Jason on
Friday's pod was on fire, please repeat that level of
MG's going forward. Boy, I thought we struggled Friday. I
don't know, yeah, all right, yeah, my friend Jordan said,
I like Friday's show was good as well, and I

(01:02:49):
didn't take any mgs. I wish I could say like
MG's were the reason for it, But I think back
on the show because they are two hours, right, I
just thought, I'm like, did I was it good? Okay? Good?
I don't really remember most of it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Sometimes I think we shouldn't do a shows in July
because I'm paying a lot less attention and when we
get these detailed questions and I haven't been paying any
attention to something, and I sound like a jackass because
I sound dismissive. That's what I felt like. I felt
like I was dismissive of some for what question?

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
On Friday?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Yeah, there were just a number of questions that I
just didn't have answers to, partly because I, you know,
I'm just sort of been being so hard on yourself.
Well because you know, we want, you know, I people
take time to invest in our show and write in
and be part of it. And I'm I was sort
of like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
But a thousand of these they're not gonna be all bangers,
you know, all bangers. Wow. I'm just saying, if a
thousand shows that are awesome, I mean, I don't know,
uh trees. Next number one, Riley shaving his beard. It
should be against the law. She was not happy to
loved happy Gilmore too more than expected. Knowing most of
the golfers and Travis Kelsey made it incredible and Bake

(01:03:52):
take this shit got me religious is the due summer
banger from Jason is what broke the Tigers slump, not
the mustache. I fill me in. Well, I've been debating
on whether or not and I did post a new
couch in the roof open because I've been messing with
AI music. I like it. Did you like it? Yeah? Okay?
And I was wondering if you know the listeners, if

(01:04:13):
they because I love the Doug Open, I loved her Open,
I love the Standard Open. But I was wondering, so
I started doing some AI stuff with music.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
I thought it was really good. I thought it was
probably longer than we'd want it to be, but it
was really good. Two minutes long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
you know, I'm I'm kind of tweaking with stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
So i'd ended up pouring some MG's Friday Night on
top of this, uh and got into some more songs
and it's not done yet. I didn't really want her
to say that out loud, but I've been making some songs,
so this shit got me. Really, I've just been writing
some songs and putting it together on a writing well,
I mean, AI helps me, but I write the hook

(01:04:50):
like this shit got me religious like that. It's I'm
telling you, it's really good. It's it can't be any
worse than some of this shit I hear, like on
I love Tyler the creat and like he came out
with some new stuff. I guarantee you you could not
tell if it was his or mine, NBA Young Boy
or whatever, Like I heard one of his song, like
Drew Lane on his podcast play one of the NBA

(01:05:11):
Young Boy songs. I guarantee you couldn't tell the difference
between mine and NBA Young Boy. And this guy has
nineteen million listeners or something like that. So anyway, what
did you think of Happy Goomar Too? I loved it.
We laughed out loud. I thought it was I thought
it was a great time. I don't know what people wanted. Well,
that's the thing. So I thought the first half was outstanding.

(01:05:32):
I didn't love all the I didn't love the second half.
It wasn't like I hated it was. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I wasn't expecting cinematic brilliance, but it wasn't at the
level of the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
And I don't know, really, when's the last time. You
saw the first.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
One pretty recently actually, because I think they were prepping
for this. It's like been on, you know, flipping through
like you can do when you still have Exfinity Comcast.
You know, like when you have Exfinity, you don't have
to actually like oh shit, I gotta change my password
and go to something else. It's like boom, boom boom.
And I was flipped through and there it was, and
I watched happy Gilmourn. I watched I would say, good
most of the most of the you know, last hour

(01:06:06):
of it all right, and and I die.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Yeah, but I mean it's an Adam Sandler movie, and
you remember the first one was absolutely ridiculous, and a
part of me the first half hour of it goes,
this is, I mean, what this plotline here? What's gotta
that's the point of this thing. You're supposed to just
drop everything, laugh your dick off, have a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
And the actually, I gotta say, the real golfers using
them and they were decent actors, alatorists.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Willie Z was like, stole the show. They were so good.
Xander Schoffle Yeah yeah, yeah, that was that was that
was nice. I I I know, I didn't enjoy it funny,
it was it was what you know, it's an Adam
Sandler flake. It's it's like you lose your mind for
two hours and then I don't know, I laughed through it.
I thought it was fun. Yeah, okay, yeah I didn't.
I didn't know you were have to take it so seriously.
It wasn't close to the first one. It's like, all right,

(01:06:50):
can you it's hotter than half fucked fox in a
forest fire?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Yeah, it's it's it's miserable. It's been. It's been rough, hope, rain,
thoughts and prayers. Yeah, yeah, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Thankfully, Couch got daost walking in here because he couldn't
wait ten minutes in his car. I wanted to get
it started. Keep wait all right, yeah, no, Couch has
to get here. Roco in Chicago number one. The Rube
has really fallen into using just gonna sit there, and
I'm just gonna sit there and what did I say too?
The excitement for football from the Lions kicking off this

(01:07:21):
week is quickly replaced by the long days of waiting
for August to pass by and three. Michigan's game in
Germany will be a shameless infomercial for whichever coach replaces Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
More So, the challenge of football season is always did
hurry up and wait? Like you get to the beginning
of practice and this happens with MSU, happens with the Lions,
happens with everything, and there is a moment of excitement
the initial storylines. You see the helmets again, it's like, oh,
it's here, but it's not here. It's like it's it's

(01:07:53):
like a month away still, and it takes a long time.
Camp is long. There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Diet next number one Tigers will win the AL Central
by ten plus games, but will still be the second
or third best team in the AL and bonus. Being
vastly disappointed in Happy Gilmour two thirty years after the
original aired is like being vastly disappointed drinking breast milk
thirty years after you were born. You're not twelve anymore.
What did you expect? Yeah, couch, what do you expect? No?

(01:08:24):
But you know, like I go back and watch Second Hower,
you know, kind of dipped.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I go back and watch like Home Alone, for example,
and still find it funny even though I'm not twelve.
Real you don't find Home Alone funny.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
I mean laugh out loud funny, like, yeah, the brick
in the face, Well, the brick in the faces is
something I no longer find, but laugh out loud, do
you go ha? I mean, come on Christmas Vacation. I mean,
I love that movie, but I've seen it nine thousand times.
I don't know if I laugh out like shitter's full, Oh, Shitter's.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Full, and not everything it's funny. I have certain things on Age,
the brick in the face on Daniel Stern and Home
Alone two. Yeah, it is one of those things they
wouldn't do today because it would like encourage because kids.
The problem is kids would copy it today. Kids are
stupid today. Like we knew, we weren't, we wouldn't not
have worn bike helmets and understood certain like just basics
of trying to survive. But we understood that when you

(01:09:15):
go to a movie and you see somebody take a
brick and throw it three stories down and hit somebody
in the face, and it's like, snot out of your
nose funny, that that's only for the movies. We understood that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Yeah, but we kids were watching that, I mean, only
the shitty kids were watching that and going I'm gonna
go throw a brick at something. I saw it and
was like, oh my god, that's that's what an adult
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Back then we understood. I'm saying today's kids there would
be incidents if they had that there there was doing it. Yeah,
just don't want you TikTok anyway, rich I sound like
Pakaputo Richard Kane. Jay Batt's first big initiative will be
selling the naming rights at Spartan Stadium. Look for something
like he did at joh Tech Groovy Donuts Field at
Spartan Stadium, or maybe we listeners can start a GoFundMe

(01:09:56):
so we can get it named couch in the room field. Bonus,
Free agency didn't ruin the NFL, and it won't ruin
college sports either. Transfer chaos will subtle when teams eventually
start signing players to multi year deals. What will ruin
it is pricks like Tony Petty Petit demanding aqs as

(01:10:17):
it says here and not giving a shit about the
sport as a whole. Yeah, and that's the thing these
commissioners have to understand is and everybody as under saying
you are a steward of a team. It is not yours.
You are a steward of a sport. It is not yours.
It needs to be stronger ten years from now than
it is today. That is part of your job, and

(01:10:39):
nothing you do that doesn't go towards that is you
doing your job and nothing because it's something you think
would be cool. If it doesn't serve the greater sport
in the long term, you're not doing your job and
you shouldn't be in your job. That's my argument for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
The automatic qualifiers thing that Petit has, and you know
people aren't familiar with that. He wants the idea that
like the Big ten and SEC would get four teams
in automatically, the Big twelve an ACC would get two
and then to be you know, a couple of spots.
But the problem with that is you can't predetermine which
league is better. It's just from a competitive advantage or

(01:11:17):
it just doesn't make sense. It's not from a competitive
fairness perspective. It doesn't make sense. There are years of
the Big Ten is not going to be better than
the Big twelve. It shouldn't automatically get more teams in
the fact that you want that. It's just fucking ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I mean just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Now, the idea of automatic qualifiers on their own, I
don't necessarily hate, but everybody's got to get the same
in the power form, and there's got to be room
for other people. So if you want to have three
automatic qualifiers, if you want to have four, you got
a twenty team playoff. But if you want to have three,
you could do that and it would create some really intense,
you know, games at the top of the Big Ten.
The problem is the Big ten is always going to

(01:11:49):
get three in if you want to have you know,
you just can't. You don't get to have more than
somebody else just because you're the Big ten.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Like nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Nobody's gonna stand for that. And you have to understand that.
If you don't understand that, again, you can't be in
the job. It's that simple. You can have a lot
of other good ideas. If you can't understand that principle,
you cannot be the commissioner of the Big Ten, or
you shouldn't be the commissioner of the Big Ten. We'll
see whether what whether free agency, you know, ruins college
sports and how it affects people's connection to their teams.

(01:12:17):
College sports are different than you know, if the closest
thing we have to European football is college sports and
over there, one of the ways they get around this,
you know, is the idea that smaller clubs or different
sized clubs sell players. Up right, you make a lot
of money. So if you lose a transfer, you make

(01:12:38):
money for that guy, and so that maybe that's part
of the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
I still I think the transfer chaos is a problem
long term in terms of you know, fan and investment
and everything like that. The naming rights things j Bad,
I think at some point you will see that. I mean,
he obviously did it at Georgia Tech do with something
Alan Hall was already talking about publicly a year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
In Michigan State. So I think it's it's it's on
the horizon BPA. Next, the fact Jay Bad is like
the fifth highest paid state employee and hasn't sat down
for an interview with anyone besides his donors is insane.
We are the Pong Gang Beyon Young Gang pyong yang
of the Big ten. Also, please don't say I hope

(01:13:23):
to sit down with him this week. I hope to
sit down with him this week, So, in fairness, should
sit down with him this week. In fairness to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Jay bad and not, you know, I've reached out to
try to you know, to sit down with him, or.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
At least you have your number, you know who's calling.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
No, he wouldn't. I don't have his number. In fairness
to him, I have missed every single opportunity when he
has been available to this point, Like he gets hired
bad timing. I had a pre least pre scheduled occation
with my mom and sister in Canada. Wasn't gonna skip that, right,

(01:13:57):
And then I didn't go to Big ten media days.
He was there and talked for a little bit. Now,
at some point, you're right, he should sit down with
with with a group of us. He should sit down,
he should make himself available, and he's the athletic director,
and I think you will.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
I'm not worried about that because, frankly, you know, I've
been off for a good chunk of the summer, and
most of the people who cover the team for any
reputable sight this like this is their time to be off,
and so if they were going to do any group thing,
they would have done it. Now I don't. I don't
find any fault in that yet. I think it's something

(01:14:29):
that probably needs to be done before the end of
for the end of August.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Thomas next, The only structural upgrade Spartan Stadium needs is
an awning like Washington or Baylor has. It's getting too
nasty in there for early season midday games to be enjoyable.
So it's just too hot, that's what you're saying. Or
new too nasty. Yet, Yeah, you got to remember you're
talking to a guy that's in an air conditioned unit

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with a giant piece of glass up there. So Graham
has no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I do wish the glass is gone. I like I
like the opening press boxes. You get cold or hot?
Is it hot or cold right now?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
But but if you if you've if you've seen Washington's,
it's a great stadium. And you're right if you had
that awning over the crowd like soccer stadiums have.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
And there's no way an awning could hurt, right, right,
Sparty Barb Next Number one. Nick marsh is a class act.
His comments at Big ten media days without building a
foundation and a brotherhood and family speak to his character
and dedication Spartan Spartan dog for life and to Jay
Batt needs to make sure that Nick Marsh gets paid.
Take care of your own. And Three. A great food

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spot in Lansing is Ruckus Ramen, located on Michigan Ave
and the iconic Avenue bar amazing Ramen and delicious weekly specials.
Was this a live read Spartan a lot well done?
Well done and bonus shout out to Graham's mom for
a speedy recovery.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I appreciate that Sparty barb the I have actually been
to this and this place in the Avenue bar Ruckus Ramen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
It's very good. It's very good, and appreciate the you,
but not as good as well.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
No, it's no Front forty three and Casting Company or
Midtown Brewing Company, which by the way has also has
trivia every Tuesday. Is a great place for a date night.
If you're downtown Lancing and you get hit by you know,
a deluge of rain like we just did, then it's
a great place to dip inside, have a drink, have
a meal. It's great character to it, and your significant

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other will know you put effort into picking a spot.
When you go to a place with the character and
menu of Midtown Brewing Company here in downtown Lancing. You
know the Nick Marsh comments about you know from media
day about him. You know, money isn't everything. First of all,
Nick Marsh is getting paid a decent amount now there

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are This is going to be the challenge though, because
as you budget and try to hang on to your
top people, there will sometimes be higher bidders and that's
why you have to create an experience. Now you may
sometimes have to match that bitter and it'll be interesting
what outside nil is allowed to do and able to do.
And I think it's going to be quite a bit
to supplement what you get from the revenue sharing to
help keep players like that in the future, because what

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you don't want to do. It's one thing not to
land an elite player, but when you do get them
and you develop them or they come as talent as
Nick Marsh was, you want to make sure you keep
them and get the duration of their career. That should
be the absolute, the absolute.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Priority in my estimation.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Also appreciate the shout out to my mom. Steve Ispister
also asked last Friday how she was doing and said
he was not nine days postop for rightnee replacement and
was able to walk a mile. She is not there,
but I told her about you, Steve, and so the
expectations have been raised. We had a number of groovy
done at Twitter questions we didn't get to last week

(01:17:47):
that we're not going to get to today. We just
had so many hot takes it's going to kill the
flow of the show. And I apologize. So's some dude
who had one more. Steve Couch on fire Christian Lions
reply Guy, Richard Kine, Patty Eves Hans, Jurgen nupprotect your guy,
all many of whom are still included in the remaining
hot takes. Apologize and thank you for.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I wanted to do them, just for to clarify, Yes,
I told you can't Jason to bugger off? Whoa language?
Yea ralph e. Next number one, I get excited about
an izo pledge, as college hoops recruits tend not to flip.
And two, I wonder if your mom listens to your shows.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
She does not, Thankfully the show would not happen if
she exists. But I don't even know she knows how
to listen. So we're going to keep it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
She doesn't listen to any podcasts or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Not Well, we've we've showed her a couple of times,
but then she was on vacation my sister this summer,
and my sister texted said, Mom just realized what an
app is. And so I don't know. I'm a little
concerned about. I don't know what was what she was
doing before. She thought she was listening to podcasts, but
I don't know that she was. I don't know what
she was listening to. So to your your first point, though,
I think a basketball pledge is much closer to a

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commitment than football. We just see it, and it's something
to do a comparative analogy analysis, I should say. But yeah,
I mean who recruits they in basketball, they tend not
to continue to be recruited. People tend to respect the
commitment a little more, and players tend to wind up
going to the place. It doesn't always happen. We've seen
it in Michigan State where guys change their mind. But

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it's just it's a much more likelihood that they're going
to have an impact at the school they originally commit to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Original Dark Mantonio. If your school has the nil budget
to land almost any recruit they want. I would trust
more the ten yured coaching staff's evaluation on recruits and
not solely focused on the recruiting rankings.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Oh, I mean this is d'antonio's special I think this
is something that and this is melt Tucker's staff too,
like and certainly with Jonathan Smith. I mean this is
something they did, they did well at Oregon. Say you
cannot if you live on what other people think. I
think more valuable than rankings are offerless to be honest
with you, when you look at who else is interested

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in the player, that sometimes is telling, but not every time.
Sometimes you discover guys before other people. Sometimes you get
in on them early. Sometimes you see something that somebody
else doesn't. And I think having people who know your
ability to trust your staff and trust your own eyes
is really important at the job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Andrews Owiza Next, there will be contracts now this college season.
You can't just pay someone a large amount of money
without specifying the terms of the payment, such as payments
are just dispersed weekly and will be made as long
as you don't violate team rules, push someone down the stairs,
transfer before the bowl game, etc. And bonus big ten

(01:20:33):
season total best bets ms you over five and a
half from last year. The offense will be far better
and the defense will be worse. Then the defense will
be worse, which is worth at least a win in
Oregon under ten and a half new quarterback, a lose
to Penn State and f up somewhere else, and Nebraska
over seven and a half wins. I think they break

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through a bit this season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
There are a lot of like at the top of
the Big Ten, there are a number of ten and
a halfs over Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, like not
everybody can go, you know, ten and a half over,
So it's interesting who you think is gonna win those matchups.
I think they're a little dicey. I don't think there's
great value on a lot of the overs, just because
you could see how they could just take one slip
somewhere and then there's a number of really tough games

(01:21:17):
for them. Yeah, I tend to think this is Nebraska's
year to go over. The one that I keep staring
at is Northwestern's down at three and a half. I
know they go to I think Tulane at the beginning,
who has a new quarterback. The buyu, guy, and probably
they're underdogs. They're already. It's like, can they not get
to three and a half? They play like they got Purdue.

(01:21:37):
I think they have a couple FCS type teams. Man,
can they not find one other win? I maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
I stare at three and a half and go, I
want to take that? Do you want to do that
to yourself? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I don't know if I just stare at three actually
do Oh no? Lion's reply, guy, not a take. But
since the Lions start this week, Jason, do you have
any good stories about Lions games, any fights you've seen,
et cetera. I gotta say we've been very lucky at
the ones that I've been to. I don't It's definitely

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great people watching, but there's never been any There was
some Rams fans during the playoff game when we beat
the Rams and Stafford brought Stafford's wife, Kelly brought the
kids and was absolutely floored that they were booed. So
there was some Rams fans down below us a little bit,
but it didn't escalate into anything crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
So, I mean, you know, it's funny because people talk
about sometimes fearing sort of the drunken atmosphere of an
NFL game. Yeah, I've been to a lot of NFL
games and went to a lot as a kid even
and don't remember ever feeling unsafe or being around a
fight that felt like it was in my fing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
You know, when it gets there's a there's a way
it gets heated when if you stand up, if you're
in the Lower Bowl, Like a lot of these people
that have been in the Lower Bowl, a season ticket
holders in that area, they don't want you to really
stand up during plays or something like. There's very there's
a hierarchy of like people. Well, depending on where we
have sat, we have had people tell us to sit down.

(01:23:03):
Like the Lions Rams playoff game, we were sitting at
the fifty yard line and those seats weref inexpensive, and
we were, you know, Jordan and I were standing up,
and all of a sudden, I heard a guy go, hey,
sit down up there, and until I did immediately because
that's my thing now, you know, and don't drink anymore,
so I'm not looking for shit. But then I'm like, well,
wait a minute, I just we paid a lot of
money for these seats, and I'd look back at the guy.
I'm like, I'm fucking standard, dude, I don't care what
you say. So there has been that escalation a little

(01:23:26):
bit of what was his response? Nothing nothing, nothing, because
well no, but if you can look me up and
down and go, this guy isn't smart, so he's probably
gonna do something. But I'm not I wouldn't, you know.
But I'm just saying, come on, don't you can't sit
there and patrol and tell people when to stand and
when to sit, and you know, when the offense is
on there, you got to be quiet.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Like so story we're telling presented by our friends of
Midtown Brown. I wish I would have seen some fight.
I mean, I definitely want to get my phone out
record some of those if that happened. Uh, Kurt was
new Ski number one. Donuts are to be enjoyed anytime
of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
And two. The Tigers started their comeback Sunday, the ten
to four victory over Toronto. Tigers will finish it ninety
nine and sixty three and get a bye to the
twenty twenty five Alds. Boy getting a ninety nine wins
seems like a long way. But Kurt, were you really
I mean that ten to four victory. Though it just
gave you a warm feeling inside, I was still like, eh,

(01:24:18):
because even with our bullpen, and I understand we had
a substantial lead, but I didn't like the way we
ended that game, and really with shres or we couldn't
hit against shrs or whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
And the problem with Flaarity is is, yeah, he looked
very good, and he's looked very good a few times,
and he's looked not very good quite a few times,
and just there's such a high variance with him that
when you get to the postseason they're gonna have to
throw him. I would think, well, maybe not in a
three game series, depending on what Reesoulson is doing by then.
But you know, you can't trust it. And it's one

(01:24:49):
of my problems with the baseball postseason being as any
series being under seven games, is there's so many players
in baseball you can't trust. There's so many Jack Flaherity,
so many pitchers that there's just a high degree of
variants that you don't want randomness deciding series. Like, to me,
you should have the longer the series, the more the
true strength of teams and one bad outing and maybe

(01:25:12):
Flerty just stinks, and that should be something that punishes
the Tigers and they shouldn't get one great on it
that gets them done to the next series. I don't know, Yeah,
I don't trust flerty happy for the Tigers that he
had a great round or a great performance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Though Tyler, the Tigers losing streak will end up with
a turnaround in Mojo and ultimately a better place for
the playoff push. Hey listen, Tyler, positive thoughts. Yep, ye
can't get mad at it? Yep, you know, Parker wise
next to the MLB trade deadline should be a week
later than it is, or at least three to four

(01:25:46):
days later. And bonus, seeing a movie in theaters is
still a great experience. Went to see Superman this weekend
and haven't been in a few years. Movies come out
too quickly these days.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
I mean, come out out of theaters. You'll come out yeah, yeah,
yea yeah yeah. It used to I mean that used
to be one of the part of the problem they
have now, is that right, It's like, wait, three weeks
and it's out on Netflix or something else instead of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
But with streaming, it's hard. It's you know, you can't
have leave that movie in a theater for very long.
And by the way, if you see a movie like
there's movies that I see a preview for and I go,
I need to see that in a theater. There not
many though, haven't been enough of those. I don't think
I've been to a movie in five years. Dude, you
should do this. Yeah, I know, I'm telling it. It's great. Yeah.
Uh se dubs ninety one reasonable. The Tiger slump has
coincided with playing three of the best teams in the

(01:26:32):
AL and facing schemes. They will be fine as long
as they get another reliever and hot. The wave should
be banned during live gameplay, save it for between innings
and timeouts, et cetera. And baked Pissing on a toilet
seat in a public restroom and not cleaning it up
is the most disrespectful thing a man can do to
another man.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
I don't understand why you do it. That's what I
don't get. Just I mean, I understand that can be
a drunk situation where you don't realize it, but if
you're sober, it just seems like an acidine thing to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Do to the first part. When you do.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Look at the Tigers schedule, you feel better about things.
There are some difficult series in there, but there are
a lot of series against teams and teams that are
probably gonna be sellers that you feel like the Tigers
are going to be favored to win the series. And again,
they got off to such a great start. If they
can fight five hundred ball the rest of the way,
they're gonna be fine. And I nobody in that division

(01:27:24):
is going to catch them. If the Tigers play five
hundred ball themselves the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Way, couch on fire. I think we can all agree
that this Tiger's bullpen is atrocious, trocious. One of the
reasons we had such a strong finish last year and
a hot early start has gone to hell in a
hand basket.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Yeah, bullpens are so hard to predict for year to year,
and that's the that's the when you get a great one,
you don't want to waste it too, that's the That's
the other thing. If in some ways, if the Tigers
had a great bullpen right now, I'd be inclined to say,
like you, you have to really go for it because
you don't know what next year is going to be
allah this year it hasn't worked out. Like when you
get a great bullpen man, sometimes it's the same pictures

(01:28:01):
year to year, become unreliable, they get hurt. Great bullpens man,
don't don't waste those.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Mister neurotic pants number one. I wholeheartedly agree that Jason
and Graham should endorse ED treatments. I would love to
see the billboards with Jason and his wife on the
beach and a little blue pill at the side. Graham
would have his own billboard making a thumbs up gesture too.
Jonathan Smith will only eat vanilla ice cream? Oh man, Ah, Like,

(01:28:28):
I'm not saying I wouldn't do it. It just seems
like if you're gonna be the face of ED. Yeah,
remember Jimmy Johnson in those commercials back in the day. Yeah,
I don't think any less of them for it though. Yeah,
but there was always like, oh, Jimmy Johnson's got ED
that sucks, And how much money did Jimmy Johnson the
coach need? Well, yeah, they're probably paying the more than
ten grand it would cost to get me. Yeah. But
even though I'm saying, like, if you have Jimmy Johnson

(01:28:49):
money and you're going, oh, they're gonna offer me money
for an erectyle this function thing, but I'm gonna be
known as that rectyle this function coach.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Well, all right, well, what is the number for you
to be known as the rectyle this function guy in
this country? How much would it cost?

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
I don't think I'm the right one to ask, though,
because I would end up if you put the money
in front of me, i'd probably do. Right what I'm saying,
like like a million dollars. Oh that's a lot. I
would do it for a lot less. Of course, I'm
saying if I was a coach, if I was Jimmy Johnson, Yeah, yeah,
like I think he probably you know, he got like
one hundred and fifty grand or something, right the Brent
Jurgensen of Southern Maine. Next the link scram will go

(01:29:24):
to avoid being critical of the media that covers Michigan
athletics is positive positivity fuck me Trump supporter, like positively.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
So the difference is is I don't want to say that.
I gotta be careful because I want to say I'm
coming from a place of ignorance. But you could argue
that what I mean is I don't see a lot
of the stuff. So I'm hesitant to be critical about
stuff I don't know, but you know. Ah, But but

(01:29:57):
I also know these people and I know so. In
other words, the instances that fire people up about that,
things that aren't covered or a column that isn't written,
I often just don't see or I missed it or
I you know. And that's that's where I'm hesitant to
be critical of something and I don't know the circumstances
behind her.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
I don't know. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Again, I probably you're right. I am probably slow to
criticize my own brethren than I am other people. I
mean that said, I used to write a couch countertake
column that just rip people's takes. Bring it back to it. Yeah,
maybe that's the Maybe that's what we need to do.
Bring back the couch countertake column and just rip takes
that I don't like or takes that are lacking. Yep,

(01:30:36):
maybe that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Need it. Ben Jen Greetings from Boo but a Crest, Bucharest.
We missed one, Pablo. I'm sorry, Pablo. I was excited
about Benjen. Apparently, Pablo Chiconey Number one. How can Michigan
not be the greatest state, especially midwestern state? We have
the Great Lakes, the Woods, we have legal weed, MSU Spartans.
What do other states have? Seriously? What could be good

(01:31:00):
about Kansas? Indiana? I'm fresh off a trip to Crystal
Lake and an absolutely dandy of a day, and Bonus
Graham talked up the Blueberry Cheesecake Donuts so much. It's
all I could think about from Wednesday's show to Saturday,
only to find out the power took that dream from me.
What the fuck? Free vouchers for couch of the Rube
listeners or I'm fucking done.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I think we did mention that you should pay attention
to the socials of Groovy Donuts, and I tried to
share those as well, because their power kept them out
of service until Sunday. They were open Sunday, and it
is It is a shame. I mean, that should be
like the number one priority of consumer's energy to get
that up asap. But very much appreciate you wanting to
support them and that my live eat getting through. I

(01:31:44):
feel the same way about Michigan, and I think a
lot of us do here. It's just like you look
other places and you go, God, that must suck, and.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
It's like, why go a state over or when you
go travel, if you're going to do like a four
or five day thing to stay in the state. It's
beautiful here. Absolutely love it now, mister ben Jen, greetings
from Bucharest, Blue Crest. All right, Number one, I'm so
bored you're talking women's European soccer. What are we even
doing here? And what's the biggest indictment on baseball's failings

(01:32:13):
to be compelling? And two my biggest issue with baseball
the only sport where one side can score at a time.
And three the solution a defender who fields a ball
in play that has to run to a bag the
hitter is attempting to reach. If he wins, that's a run.
Think how valuable a double in the right field corner is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Now, Yeah, I'm okay with baseball without that rule, but.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Don't you think like a salary cap. I know it'll
never happen, We've talked about it, but a salary cap
would change baseball to a point where I think you
would give a lot more fans. They would want to
invest in that team, knowing that you have everybody has
a fair shot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I think a salary cap would overall improve interest in
the sport. I don't know now the players Union is
never going to go for that. But the other thing
is you're talking there are a lot of leagues that
are off in the ball MLS right now as time
off before this League's Cup starts, and they not every
even every team's in the league's Cup, like the Chicago
Fire not in the League's Cup, so they have like
two weeks off in the middle of the summer where

(01:33:10):
they don't even have as anything for their I mean,
it's just it's just asenine, like I'm sorry, and every
sport should take advantage of this window, Like there are
too many nights right now where you turn on Exfinity,
you're flipping through channels and you go to what's offered
if you're streaming Exfinity like I do, and I go

(01:33:32):
to what's offered in sports, and we're so close to
there being so many great offerings, but there's a week
or two where it's it's not great, And that is
that's an indictment on the sports that are going right now.
You should feel that time, you should try to bring
in new fans, and they don't do it well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
Mojojojo July. I take only thing worse than the Tigers
going to and thirteen. Since the All Star Break is
re engaging with Midwest humidity and heat waves, wtf did
I leave great Sam's favorite city and climate for and
obvious take the quality of life raised after moving from
San Francisco, Graham's favorite city, to Chicago, where Graham killed

(01:34:10):
that guy via stairs compone style is essentially the difference
in Graham's blood sugar pre impost a groovy donut doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
So many things are wrong in that. I mean, the
guy fell down the stairs without me in Kalamazoo, not
in Chicago. I had nothing to do with that. Just
I'm just saying that for the record, for legal purposes,
and obviously these joking actual limitations is over now. I
mean you can yeah San Francisco. Now there's a tear
drop tattoo. If you don't like humidity, go to San
Francisco in the summer. It's like thirty seven and winds.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Our. Ron L. Hubbard of the Cupboard next number one.
In regards to Friday's show about value in betting, the
easiest way to understand is the probability of the event
occurring compared to the price of the bet. Getting plus
two hundred on a head's tails is incredible value. Two
to one price with probability of fifty percent is great
return on investment, even though it might not always win.

(01:35:03):
And two well said. Drove to Groovy Donuts Saturday morning
for my daughter's seventh birthday. Some jackass podcaster told me
it should be opened by then and had to settle
for another unnamed donut maker off Michigan. And three Graham,
my daughter's public school in Lansing completely eliminated any school
sports and you have to pay to play now for
Championing LPs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Why don't you write something Lansing public schools. Yeah, a
couple of things. One, Lanting did not have organized public
schools did not have organized sports for kids when I
was there, so I didn't even realize they existed in
the first place. But I'm curious why they eliminated them.
I'd like to know more details, please DM me. And
I'm curious where they eliminated sports, like, I don't know

(01:35:45):
if you need organized sports through public schools under middle
school age, but i'd like to I'd like to know
more on why this is. And apologies for the I
appreciate everybody storming Groovy don't, and I'm sure they were.
I mean, I can only imagine the amount of business
loss on almost a full weekend after that storm for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Them Munfield cag Next, we are coming up on almost
two full years since the infamous Stallion CMU game. I
know it got lumped into the broader Stallion's case, but
you can't convince me that if this was an OSU
assistant on the Michigan sideline or Auburn assistant on the
BAMAS sideline, that there wouldn't already be a punishment.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
It is amazing that, you know, we're at a point where,
I mean, the OJ case took a shorter time than this, right,
I mean, that's it's pretty amazing that we don't have
some sort of resolution when you put it that way,
or any sort of you know, just accountability from CMU side.
And again, from my standpoint, I think I'm assuming, maybe

(01:36:48):
incorrectly so that is the Michigan punishment comes out, since
it's tied to that case, whatever there is with CMU
will also come out. Then if it doesn't, that'll be
something we need to dig into again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Max. Next, the NCAA grows a pair and hammers Michigan
for using an ineligible player. JJ McCarthy, the center of
Cheeseburger Gate, is ruled ineligible because of his rule breaking recruitment,
and Michigan is forced to forfeit all games in which
he participated. Hot Take two. CMU offers to fall on
their sword for Michigan and takes a death penalty punishment

(01:37:21):
for the football program, giving the NCAA the opportunity to
save face and getting Michigan off the hook for allowing
stallions on the sidelines in the game versus MSU. In return,
Michigan will fund all other CMU sports for five years.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Seam he would love that. Actually these are these are
dream takes. I think from maximably push you out of
the way to sign that deal. Dream sequence takes. Yeah,
they pushed me down the stairs for sure. Amy Folan
be like, here you go, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
Fart soup Number one Couches Twitter account is the follow
of twenty twenty five. Need advice on how not to
sweat after showering? Couch is there for you. Pissed off
about preseason polls. Let Graham be your champion. Lacking a
moral compass and need help getting on the right path,
Let Couch be your light. And two, I would never
advocate for removing blah, but we're going to imagine a

(01:38:11):
world without him and team in I want to make
a push for my guy out here in Seattle. In Seattle,
Tony Castrioni, Cony Crests Castra Cone. Sorry, sorry, Tony Polls
double duty for uh you dubbed softball and basketball football
but close football, fucking basketball. Believe he was also at

(01:38:32):
CMU once upon a time, A name to know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:37):
Again blah, we can't Yeah, right, we can't. We can't
do blajas lander here. It's uh, but otherwise, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
We also don't want it to get embarrassing. That's correct.
We love George, that's correct, and you know, yes, yes,
that's a very good point. We don't want it to
get to Dick Clark levels. Very you know, very it's
not getting there yet. I'm just saying, yeah. David Cox
concerned about Connor Eargod covering MSU. He said on Ebling
show that he doesn't see NFL potential and Nick Marsh

(01:39:05):
what unfathomable, unfathomabble. I think he would have been a
third round pick last year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
I'll have to listen to that myself find that because
that seems amazing. That's not great analysis if it is.
But you know, and the other thing is he's a
beat writer, and a beat writer's job is to go
find the maybe he misspoke opinion of scouts and experts
in the field and less their own. I guess, and
this is an example of why. But yeah, I can't
imagine he said that. This makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I think they're just trying us to get us to
listen to the Ebling show. Hans Jergen number one baby
Izzo will one day take over as MSU basketball head coach,
and we'll bring the Spartans to the verge of breaking
UCLA's record for most titles, but will fall short because
AI will take over the world and exterminate humanity. Thanks,
don't worry. This will be seventy years from now. We

(01:39:54):
will all be dead by then. Three. Dylan Dingler is
the best catcher come out of Stark County, All Ohio
since the great Thurman Monthson and Bonus. Stop playing with
your own ding Ling and look them up. We all
know Thurmon months, and everybody knows third months. Even the
younguins know Theirman months. Yep, you'd have to Jay Hawkins
number one. About time the Tigers got to win to

(01:40:14):
stop this pathetic slump of losing twelve out of thirteen,
including getting swept by the Pirates. That last out felt
like it was taking forever to get especially since the
Blue Jays were able to score four runs to prevent
the goose egg. I mean, goddamn two. This reason slump
the Tigers went on is reminding me of the of
two thousand and nine. Led the division a majority of
the season, couldn't lock it up, fell in the last stretch,

(01:40:38):
and the Twins caught up, forced one hundred and sixty
third game, beat US for the division and a playoff spot.
Make a trade to strengthen US, Harris and three Watch
Happy Gilmour two was skeptical giving all the mixed reviews.
Wasn't the best, but it also wasn't the worst movie ever.
Take it for it is entertaining and feel good laughter.
All the cameos. Eminem had the best one, but also

(01:41:00):
god damn Steve Buscemi had really aged.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
The Eminem cameo was good too. Yeah, that was a
good There was a lot of good cameos, and it
was weird because forgetting the woman's name who played Claire
and Modern Family and was also an ed and oh, yeah,
she's awesome. Yeah, she's great, And I thought so. I
teen an interview she looks great with with her and
Sandler are a while ago, and so I thought she
was gonna be like a huge part of the movie.

(01:41:23):
And then, oh, don't spoil it. Oh yeah, sorry, what
are you doing, couch, Jesus fix that post fix it posts.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Why don't you just tell everybody the whole movie just
came out like fucking last time. Sorry, I'm sorry, fixed, Sorry,
Jesus man, Eminem's in it. I didn't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
I watched it last night, thanks a lot, man, No,
I knew that it's good. Lastly, the jerk guy, get
us out of here before Couch ruins everything. Professionals should
be able to organize their work so they can deliver
on promises made bonus Bona's AI isn't going to destroy
us terminator style, We're gonna use it to destroy our ourselves.

(01:42:02):
M hmm. Is this the deep shit he's doing on
Blue Sky over there? Yeah? Yeah, we have to go
check that out again. Absolutely well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
Appreciate all of you as always for putting up with
us producing our show. You know you're you're always welcome
to give me ship and I'm I'm happy to take it.
It's usually deserved and UH and we appreciate your analysis
and UH happy to give you some voice here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Also to Comcast and Infinity, go to exfinity dot com.
You can type in right there your address. See what
the best deal is for you. See if you can
start saving some money, be it on internet, be it
phone line, be it UH with your your cable over
cutting the cord. I bet you you wind up spending

(01:42:46):
less uh with with Infinity than you do other places.
We exp we appreciate uh Midtown Brewing Company in downtown Lancing,
Trivia nineties three and Trivia on Thursday night. We'll be
back Wednesday, I think right Wednesday. A good show.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
Yeah, man couching the room

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