Ep. 1060: Hot Take Monday: MSU football, Michigan and the NCAA, CMU and the devil

We dug into our takes and yours on Michigan State's football team as the opener nears, on Michigan football's NCAA punishment and shame (or lack thereof), on CMU athletics deserving punishment and shame, on the Tigers, Lions, and more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
H wow. Uh Dome Long.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Don't don't know?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
What do you get when you cross a know it
all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man. Yeah,
well I'm just not sure about that right now.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Welcome to Couch and the Room.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
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Speaker 1 (02:27):
If font you mala fun woo, We freaking love you man,
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love Exfinity.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I had to give them a ring and say, hey,
I'm gonna need a new remote whenever Chris Paddock pitches next. Yeah,
because I'm gonna break that remote. Whatever he pitches in
the playoffs, give me two remotes. Throw it through a
freaking window. If he's pitching for the Tigers in the playoffs,
big trouble, big trouble. How is he not going to
pitch in the playoffs? What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah? Anyway, I see.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Look, there's six games off between every game. I say,
and if scoot Ball doesn't sign another contract, you just
run him.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Out there every game?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Yeah, pitch him twice Yep. It doesn't really get a
ship his arm Yep. What are you gonna do? You
sign the deal or back out, scoo signed the deal
or playing on off season surgery. You got two choices, scooball, Well,
so today's show is uh as you can imagine.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Panic room at the couch of the room here, So
just losing his mind takes I'm good.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I'm good. So we might have to do a different
format because I don't want to cut anybody out today.
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think Graham and I are going to skip ours
and just get to you guys. What do we need
to hear us for.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
You're gonna get our takes through your takes. We're doing
that because we don't want to cut people.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
MS.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
You have a heart out, Yeah, we have a heart out.
MS football interviews ran long.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
You know.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
It's just we have a tight window and I hate that.
And everybody thinks we're just like, you know, screwing around
over here trying to it's it's just it's it's it's.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Not the process. It's kind of screwing around.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
But you know, okay, well, yeah, I anyway, we want
to get to as many people as we can, right
and we've got a really good show with really good
takes from you guys. So we're just gonna do ours
through years. That's not usually the way we like to
do it. I know some people, and if you really
hate this, let us know, because we won't do that again.
We're prioritizing the people. The problem is you know that
that yeah, anyway, there's no problem, there's no problem at all.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
But we want to because we don't want the show
to end and be like, all right, We're gonna get
to these on Wednesday, the good ones. We'll get to
the good ones on Wednesday. You know, so we want
to just you know, so, what are we doing? Might
as well get to them. Let's get to the freaking takes.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Let's go. Would that be great if we just spent
fifteen minutes eminent han and instead of doing takes right? Right? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Dominic up first number one. It doesn't seem like there's
a blue wall, Graham. There aren't writers that lean that way.
You don't understand we have that perception. Why we have
that perception? Excuse me. They can blatantly cheat, start fights
before and after games, smear shit on our locker room walls.
It's straight up comedy and to ultimately MSU should do

(04:58):
whatever the fuck they want. However, it's a free for
all and anything goes. I much rather have shitty optics
than a meek, apologetic cuck like Haller and apologize for existing.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
The n C double A is a sham. And just
because you annoyed me this week, Yancy think be.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
So a couple of things here. And I was talking
to somebody who worked in Detroit as a as a
writer for a long Time put Itty pretty well on
the album blue Wall. No, it was just the problem
is the way the blue wall is characterized as if
there's this vast conspiracy or there's some sort of organizational
effort to cover things up, and what you essentially have

(05:38):
is just a few homers who are in columnist positions
and that creates, you know, this this perception or what
also does impact the coverage. I'm not saying it doesn't,
but I think as long as we can agree that
what you think is the blue wall is not actually
starting in the edit board rooms or on the A

(05:59):
one meeting or with calls from editors saying, hey not
you know, let's let's focus elsewhere. You know, as long
as as long as that's understood that, I'm with you,
but let's let's just under But I think.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's great that it annoys you guys though, so I
think people will still do it. I think a lot
of people like, let that idea go where it's an
actual conspiracy, but the fact that you got you uh,
sports writers get annoyed by it.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I just know how it works a little more.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
And I but I also but I also to be fair,
you don't I do know well, I win, but I
don't go into like dominic. You know, is you know,
as a somebody who takes very serious calls for a
living a nine one one operator. I don't know if
I want to say that just did shit. I don't
know if you're allowed to do that. Actually, that might
be a one of those jobs you're not. We'll fix
that in post. What are you talking about? He has

(06:46):
to be Uh what I was just gonna say is cognito.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I wouldn't know. I don't know. I don't nine one operator.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean he's doing he should be praised instead we
should be sending him fucking groovy donuts. I'm just saying
they're going like, oh yeah, we should just not talk
about dominic.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
There are lots of things I probably don't stand about
his job, and I may I may have opinions. Yeah No,
I would eat eight mgs after my shift sixty five
more times more important than anything I've ever done. Yeah,
I'm not knocking out. And if I just stepped out
of line by telling what you did, holy shit, man,
I apologize and I will I will owe you, oh
you big time.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I apologize. Let's move on and maybe actually fix that
one post.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
You want to get out give out his address. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Kurt was Nowski. The NC Double a's decision to not
hammer Michigan Athletics for cheating is perfect. First, it adds
more hate fuel for that scumbag program. Second, it galvanizes
that they did cheat and provides no defense to their
fan base defense to their fan base. Last, provides legitimate

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backing that their title is not real.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
So I think the biggest punishment that Michigan got here
is sort of the ultimate scarlet a on their chest
from the NC Double A. And for people who were
sort of paying attention to the periphial, who've read any
stories or looked at this is this tarnishes the title. Now,
there are Michigan fans who don't feel that way, and
that's fine. Everybody can feel how you but part of

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winning big is sort of having that ultimate respective rivals.
You know, that sucked. They they and this is a
title that doesn't come with that. Now doesn't mean some
of it wasn't earned. I mean those were, you know,
some dominant performances by really good teams. Unfortunately, this may
not have been needed to do what they did, but

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they still did it, and they were you know, aloof
for a, that's the wrong one.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But they were.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
They dismissive or cover up somewhere in there at the
top level. And that's what I mean. So they basically
said about harrball and so for that you get this
scarlet a and people aren't going to respect the title.
And that's that's that's the How do you think like
five to ten years from now it'll be perceived when
you talk look back at the business, Like I'm saying,

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just two random guys talking about college football bringing up
the Michigan right the chancepionship?

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Is it met with oh yeah, remember when Michigan cheated
or Michigan's talked about, right, but he always have to
bring up the cheating scandal in it.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
Do you think he will just forget No? I think
it lingers. I think this one's been pretty well publicized.
I think it lingers.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Ralph e next former m s U strength and conditioning
coach Ken Manny is not quick to give compliments thoughts
on his tweet that all right and from Gary Lipko,
We're gonna get some typosts today and from Gary Lipk.
After seeing Ken Manny's comments on the scrimmage, I say
take the over.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
So I meant to put this tweet in.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
It was Ken Manny had a tweet where he basically
said M s U for everything he saw on the field,
and he was he was visiting the other day, was
special teams, was amazing. I don't let me hold on.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I am the passenger. That's crazy. I'm not R all right.
So here's what he said.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Spartan's on Saturday's at Saturday scrimmage, and Ken Manny is
the former strength and conditioning coach under D'Antonio. Spartan's on
Saturday point one, great looking, well trained athletes everywhere exclamation point, tough, physical,
interior play both sides of the ball, exclamation point thumpers
at linebacker exclamation point and legit tight ends exclamation point
wide receivers and dB fast, long and skilled exclamation point.

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RB's quick, athletic and tough exclamation point. QB one wow
all caps, all talented exclamation point and in all caps
impressive leadership exclamation point. I do want to tell people
this before you start feeling really excited and taking that over.
That When I ran and trained with the MSHU football
team in twenty thirteen for a couple sessions and ran

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the Spartan Stadium steps and did all that. And at
the end of the week, when I was interviewing Ken
Manny about he goes, you were a lot more quick
twitch than I thought you would be. Ken Manny once
described me as quick twitch, so thinks of a compliment.
It is, But think about that when you think about
Ken Manny's credibility.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But Manny was probably trying to mess with you though
he wanted you to walk away. He's like, all right,
I'm gonna say something I was. I was really fuck
with him twelve years ago. I was a much fitter individual.
And yeah, so I would have hoped so. But and
and Ken Manny, I don't think is uh, you know
if Ken Manny the exclamation points in the tweet is
that what if Ken Manny had said kickers look great,
then the whole thing would be negated.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Because I know that because Jonathan Smith talked today about
the injuries to those guys and how you know two
of the guys really haven't kicked yet and are kicked
in a while, and that's good news. It's yeah, and
so I mean they feel good about the other one.
But you know, it's it's so if that at least
isn't like, wait a second, that's not true. And Ken Manny,
I do believe he obviously liked what he saw. I

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don't believe he had to tweet this and he didn't
have to tweet it to this point, and he is
putting here's a guy who, you know, one of the
things he used to always talk to teams about, you know,
seasons were made in the summer. He could tell different
years were gonna go well by the different summers they
had when he was the strength and conditioning coach. And
so when he sees something like that, there is some
credibility to it. This is probably you know, if this

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was all true at the Big ten level, then Michigan
State's you know, gonna be in contention. And maybe they are.
And he's putting a little bit of credibility there. He's
not the worst person for that. But I would just
remind people that he once said I was more quick
twitched than he anticipated.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
How many games during the season do you think kicking
comes into play where it can swing a game one
way or another?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
This season? Yeah, I would think seven or eight, seven
or eight games?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Yeah, so does it you know, when we talk about
the over under for Michigan State, does that the kicking situation?
Is that a glaring thing where you're like, I don't know.
I think if you're saying seven or eight, I thought
you were about to say three or four, I'm like,
holy shit, seven right.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, it's also paired with the red zone stuff, right.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Kickers that haven't even kicked, and like, what's going on
if they figure out the red zone and kicking becomes
less than maybe it's four or five, Like Dan Campbell,
just go for it, every done and maybe they'll be fine.
It's just something we're gonna have to see and not
knowing it's gonna be a little, a little NERVs sweet
if Jonathan Smith just became Dan Campbell's like, let's go
for it.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Great, all that shit, if you will. Jebedie at number one.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
The NCAA didn't hammer Michigan because they've wanted the sport
burn to the ground post nil. They want nothing more
than for every school to cheat so they can find
the shit out of them and pay off their legal
fees before everyone breaks off. And to bonus, what will
be the required amount of groovy donuts to consume and
when Trey Hendrickson becomes a packer this week, the right

(13:28):
amount of groovy donuts is? What are the packers giving
up to get Hendrickson? Though, Like I heard first, and
they want like a top defensive player. But I would
say probably about a dozen? Yeah, would a dozen? A
couple more just in case, would be these.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
That's gonna suck, Yeah, miserable sports fan.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Next hot take Jackson Kohler's ability to rebound and his
growing strength of stretching the floor will allow cohen car
to flourish into a top twenty pick. Also, they're finishing
second in the Big ten Perdue as a monster and bake.
Take left over thanks get food. Eating cold is elite
and better.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
I like certain Thanksgiving food a lot cold. I've never
seen a bigger bake.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Take the fact that you're you're thinking about Thanksgiving leftovers already.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
That is the ultimate baked. Take a great baked thing
to write it in too.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
See, I was raised by a ton of just god
awful cooks, so I've never had a great really yeah,
like Christmas ham My grandpa Nick was good at that.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
But everything else was asked, what do you do now
as an adult?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
We eat whatever? We make our own lasagna, or we don't. Really,
we don't have the turkish. I've never been a big turkey. Yeah, yeah,
we do deep fry one. Deep fried turkeys are awesome,
but I'm not getting into that shit.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
We do a little sides giving sometimes, which is like
because we like the sides more than the turkey. So everybody,
everybody brings a side or whatever, and the sides are fantastic.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
So like Thanksgiving, isn't that like a Thanksgiving thing, like
everybody brings the side.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, but we don't minus the turkey altogether. Oh, you
don't have turkey period.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah. Sometimes we don't have turkey period.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
So what's the main there's no main means. It's just
like twelve hundred sides, right, hmm. It's really good. Yeah,
I couldn't hate that. Yeah, it works out because I'm
a big you know, do whatever you want guy. I
want to shit on whatever you do. You know that
was my first My brain immediately goes to shit on this,
but then I had to pause. Yeah, so let you
know what my process is. I appreciate it, oh real quick.
To the Jackson Coler point, ability to rebound and growing strength,

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growing strength of stretching the flora allowed Cohen car to flourish.
If Jackson Cohler is a not just a threat, but
a weapon from beyond the arc, it changes their team.
And there's a difference between threat and weapon. And we
all know what that looks like. A guy, I mean,
Kenny Goins became a legitimate weapon out there and obviously
hit one of the bigger shots in program history.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
If that is somebody that Cohler becomes it from a
spacing standpoint, if you get a guy who I think
has become an elite rebounder at the college level, very
at least a very very good rebounder, your best rebounder
is also a weapon from beyond the arc. If those
two things can coincide, you've got a really good player
who will fit everything that they want to do.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
John Next Number one, glad to hear that you and
Spot have made amends.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Two.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I think the media handled Friday better than could have
been expected. Should be noted. Yeah, people weren't happy with
Wojo's colin, but they like Shawn Windsors.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah. By the way, I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Supposed to pay twenty dollars a month for that. See
Shawn Windsor tonight. Oh yeah, yeah, Joe Rextro, Shawn windsor
Matt sharbonhell little gathering, Yeah, maybe Solari.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
We don't know yet. So watch out Hawaii Spa. Those
ladies are going to be tired.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah right, John Johnson, would you rather be Michigan fifteen
and OH National Champs but have these circumstances surrounding the title?
Or would you rather be Ohio State last year with
two losses and looking at home, losing at home to
your biggest rival, who made a who had a make
a wish quarterback? I lean Michigan because of who they beat.
After the news broke you, okay in there, I had

(16:54):
to sneeze. Yeah, I had my mute button up.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I was worried about you because I could hear it
over here. I don't think to the mic. I was
just concerned. I was like, oh my god, he died.
I know you have bionic here.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
It's a great for when you do a podcast and
no one hears about you. Yeah, that's true. I'm not
very good at this.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
To the question from John, would you rather be Michigan
fifteen to OH National Champs but these circumstances or Ohio
State last year, two losses home to Michigan, including home
to Michigan, and you but you win the national title.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I'm going Michigan, Yeah, probably I at fifteen and oh
and then you kicked Ohio State's ass and you did
it last year.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Well, it's the number of it's the number of times
Ohio State is lost to Michigan. Here to me, if
Ohio State had lost just to Michigan last year but
it still had control that rivalry and won the national title,
it's the fact that they've just lost complete control of
the game that really matters so much to them. You know,
I don't know though. The One thing is, and I
know what Michigan did after the news broke, but the

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momentum of that program, we'll never know to what degree,
you know, the first winning against Ohio State. Other you know,
they were a winning program with a lot of momentum
by the time that news broke. And I'm not saying
they didn't do good work afterwards, but sometimes season snowball
like that and you get some momentum going and I'm there,
there is I've heard this argument before.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm there.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
The question is, and not only that, do they lose
a game somewhere along the way that affects one of
those other seasons that affects how we view them. This
is a tough one because I actually I think the
shame would be.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
There is no shame.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
But if they don't have shame, but I would have shame.
I have lots of shame. Well, then pick Ohio stay, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
There's no shame there, I'm sure. Well, yeah, that's a
good one. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Munfield kg MSU fans seemed down about nil, the Michigan
cheting scandal and everything else have to do with college football.
This fan base can be the worst sometimes. We have
two potential superstars on this team. So get your ass
up to East Lansing in a few weeks to tailgate
and let the good times roll.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
I don't know a pep talk. Yeah, I don't know
that Michigan State fans are really down on the seat.
I think they're curious. I mean, I think they don't
love the overall situation. Their program hasn't been great, Michigan's
been up, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I mean it was the slap on the wrist though
that Michigan State fans, the most logical ones that were like,
nothing's gonna happen to Michigan, and it came true, right Thomas,
Programs like MSU, which historically are good at not staying
down too long and maintaining some baseline success, will be
much more stable long term in the new college football environment,

(19:30):
I e. I think places like Indiana risk being more
boom or bust, which could irritate demanding fans.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
The challenge to place like Indiana, and it's what Kentucky's
going through in a lot of places, is if your
fan base is in love with basketball, can you do
both financially really well? And I think it's a challenge,
and I think you know, Indiana's having fun right now.
I would be surprised if the fund really lasted in
Indiana now as long as Kurt Signety's there, I just

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and maybe you know, he's got four or five really
good years left. And I just if you were talking
about stock over a fifteen twenty year period, I would
not put it in Indiana football. It's just hard to imagine.
And it is partly because is it of because of Signetty,
Like you just don't think he no, I think he's
really five years. But I think after that it just

(20:21):
to me. At some point basketball becomes where the heart
is and and maybe there's enough for everybody, But I
think it's I think there's a you know, I think
that's really hard to do. I think Michigan State's going
to struggle with that with hoops to some degree. Right
now they have izo, which is sort of a great equalizer.
But I think that's that's going to be a plaything
that a lot of schools struggles because you have to

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win football to a degree to fund everything. But if
basketball is what people want, that's tricky.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
John Minsley next, After moving my son onto campus for
the first time last weekend, here are my thoughts on
an IL and the Transfer Portal Number one. MSU will
always be home, my home. I receive the phenomenal education
there and those were formative years of my life too.
I will cheer for anyone who wears the block s,
pay them when they are ready to move on, celebrate

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them for their contributions, even if it was just one year.
If you wear the S, then you are a dog.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And three.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
The players and teams are my connection to the campus
when I'm a hundred of hundreds of miles away. N
IL and the portal will not change that. And last
weekend reminded me why. And bonus we had lunch at
the barrel. Based on your take from last week, it
was absolutely not East Beijing.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Hmmm, that's disappointing. It used to be, well, you have to.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Be like couch and like you have to follow their
bus to make sure when they're getting off. I do
think there might be Asian students if you guys missed,
it might be few inter international students. And there used
to be or something.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
It used to be if you were out there the
week before the other, you checked like bus times and
everything was not just get out there on a random
like Wednesday the week before.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
That was just luck.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Well that's the way it happened. Yeah, I didn't. I
just didn't. I didn't plan it. I discovered East lanting
in Beijing. It wasn't like it.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
So you just thought you just lucked into it. But
thought that happens every summer year, when the kid.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Lucked into it the first time, went back the second time,
different year. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's sort of what
what happened. I will say this, Josh, to the idea
that I think your connection is safe the question is
your son his connections And that's what I don't know
that that generation is gonna have the same connections you
feel long term, all.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Right, Spartan eighteen seven to seven zero. Graham, you wrote
that MSU was still trying to find a kicker. The
solution is to score touchdowns in the red zone, and
that falls squarely on the offensive line, open holes for
the running backs, and give Chile's time to find his receivers.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Although that's great and I agree, I mean, the red
zone offense is an important part of something they need
to improve on. But there will be games. When you
look at their schedule and the number of teams that
are picked to win around seven and a half games
this year, there are gonna be a lot of competitive,
tough games, and you just can't leave points off the board.
If you run into you know, you're at the twenty

(23:04):
two yard line and you're at fourth and six, you've
got to be able to convert that. And that's what
we don't know yet.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Chris Eastlick next number one in Graham's D'Antonio article, which
was great, Graham, thanks, that was Chris, not me. There
was a good point toward the end even in the
frustrating end of the Dantonio era, most of those teams
weren't getting blown off the field forty nine to fourteen
by Rutgers. They were competing with the top team. So
outside of that that really bad stretch in twenty eighteen

(23:33):
with an injured Lawerki, that's been one of the most
disappointing things of the last few years. And to all
that being said in the previous take, this off season
thing seemed to be trending upward. We hear coach speak
every off season, but this seems to be a similar
to the Kenneth Walker talk of twenty twenty one, where
everyone seemed to be saying the same thing. Smith is
a good coach and I hope we see him succeed here.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
So I agree with you on this. I was looking
back at some of the D'Antonio losses late in his
career and even the three and nine season after I
after I talked to him, and they were just really
competitive even when they weren't. You know, they beat Rutgers
forty five nothing, they losed Ohio State seventeen sixteen. That
three and nine year, they were rushing the ball at

(24:18):
a clip that they really haven't. They had a better
offensive line twenty sixteen now than they haven't a lot
of the last decade.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Now.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Some of that's the remnants of great years, and they
had a lot of that. They just lacked leadership. There
are a bunch of things going on. They didn't have
the quarterback play, but that is something that people cannot
stand and I do think the depth this year will
help that. I think who they are in October is
much more likely to be who they are in November,
and so I don't know what they'll be in October entirely,

(24:44):
but if you've got more depth and you're able to
finish the year stronger, that people will feel better about that.
Now there are except you know Nick marsh gets hurt.
You know Aiden Childs gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Are there are?

Speaker 4 (24:55):
There are players who may wind up being incredibly important
to you and are difference makers. Of the point that
depth can't cover that up, but they should be by
and large, I think similar at the end of the
year to what they are in the middle of it.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Spartan fans clamoring for the school to cancel all games
with Central Michigan need not worry, as declining population trends
continue and government funding decreasing, Schools like Central will go
the way of Blockbuster videos and the osmobile, Cutlass.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Miss Cutlas, this Blockbuster, both of them both.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think people are missing out block But
going to a Blockbuster for a movie on a Friday
night was nuts.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah, but it was good back then. But now do
you really want to go to a Blockbuster on a
Friday There was just size people?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It is nice.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I mean, I talk shit, you know, like the days
of yore and everything, but really do you want on
a Friday night? I kind of do, yeah, but all
right once I guarantee you after the first time, you'd
be like, we had to wait in line like thirty minutes.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
That even have my DVD? What kind of blockbuster do
you have to wait in line thirty minutes? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm just trying to cause the problem so that you
would disgusted have to say it, because I'm with you
for some of these things. But then I love technology
so much that I'm glad I could just flip on
the TV and order something if I want it.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
True, CMU is in financially in rough shape. I think,
you know, they need to be creative, and there's a
Central Michigan ought to be.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
A school that used to be the party school, and
we're in school like, oh dude, you're going to Central,
You're gonna have a great tid.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
And it's the closest school to like the Northern Michigan
and not up north, but you know, like northern Lower Peninsula.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I just I don't know. I think.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
They've got to be creative, they got to keep up
with facilities, but they are definitely suffering.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Max.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Next, have you ever noticed how diehard Trump and Harbaugh
supporters exhibit the same traits?

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Are they the same people?

Speaker 3 (26:38):
They will drink whatever deer leader serves and regurgitate it regularly.
They don't believe their eyes and ears because it has
to be fake, and as long as they get what
they want, the methods do not matter.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
I played around with a column on this, and I
haven't really pulled the trigger on Oh come on, there
are some similarities in certain and in certain but you
thought to be for the comments. Yeah, yeah, there are
some similarities, and probably a lot of people who behave
a certain way as Michigan fans who think who don't
like Trump for the very reason that's being brought up

(27:11):
here and don't realize they behave the same way as
the people they really don't like, who are the fiercest
loyalist of Trump.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Oh I need that column, so mad, Skyler Verden.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
The problem with not wanting to punish players who had
nothing to do with the cheating is that that encourages
delaying and being uncooperative with the NC double A. Then
by the time punishment comes down, all the players who
were originally involved are gone, and you can use the
excuse of not punishing current players.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
You know what I would do if I were the
NC doablae this say you don't want to punish current
players because they're there.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
If you want to make that kind of a standard
blanket thing across you know, punishment and discipline for schools.
Make the bowl band for twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty
kids coming in know what they're getting into for those years.
It hurts you down the road hanging over you. You
want a fierce punishment, make it down the road. If
it was like twenty twenty eight, Michigan's got a bowl
band that sucks, That would suck in recruiting, it would

(28:10):
that would really hurt people, but they would at least
be there with the eyes wide open?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Is that what forget? By? Then? What's that? By? Then?
We'd forget though, wouldn't we like twenty twenty nine?

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Well not officially punishment. It wouldn't be like oh shit,
like oh wait is this the year?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Ah Man?

Speaker 4 (28:25):
Just one way to look at it. I don't you know.
I think I think they could have. Definitely I would
if I were the NCAA, I would have taken the
games where they thought they had evidence that there was
advanced scouting, you know, done against the rules, you know,
by hiring people to be in stadiums and film the
opposing bench. And we can argue about what sort of

(28:46):
advantage it was or wasn't. And Connor Stallions is very
good in real time at deciphering signs, and that's something
that everybody is able to do in real time. But
we can argue, well, that was the advantage. But to me,
if you had taken those games that they did that for,
and they had vacated those games in particular, just those games,

(29:09):
I think everybody would have been Okay, that seems fair,
at least not Michigan fans, but or not some Michigan fans,
But that to me would have been the most fair
way to do. I'd rather that than the fine. To me,
you punish them for I mean, you want to do
the fine, that's fine, But to me, you punish them
for the games. You knew they had an advantage. To
what advantage, we don't know. They'll never know, but there
was some sort of advantage that was against the rules.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
But you talked about the money. We talked about it
last Friday.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think one hundred million would have set a tone,
though at least, you know, the thirty million to just
everybody saw that number, it goes that doesn't mean anything
to Michigan. One hundred million dollars, even to a program
like Michigan would have been a shock to the system,
I think.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
But the NCAA's asked, who cares Ryan Rockwell Number one.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
MSU's relatively quiet, workman like approach this fall is a
nice return to form for them take the over. If
they don't go bowling this year, there should be a
big concern for the program. This week marks my yearly
call to a local LSJ customer service rep to threaten
to cancel because I don't want to renew at twenty
dollars a month after a promo rate ends. Wish someone

(30:11):
could just get them to charge I don't know, five
dollars a month forever.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
You'd have me for life. We can't survive on five
dollars a month, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah, I would love to take of the day, Ryan,
I would love this to be will give you an
LSJ gift card just mm.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
I would love this to be the case. We can't
survive on that. And that's that's why I. Oh, you're
being serious. You're not joking. You're telling me if everybody
paid five dollars a month, well, there would have to
be a lot more people, not saying everybody, Well, yeah,
of course we would. Yeah, but you're talking about because
we would lose this mentality newspaper people. Because if you
offer five dollars a month for we, a lot of
our subscribers will pay a lot more than that. If

(30:51):
they come down to the five dollars a month level,
we would need about four times five times a subscriber
to live at me. By the way, if you want,
I'd rather have zero dollars than five dollars. If you
want a company with good customer service and it'll walk
you through things. Infinity is there for you. First of all,
you can call Exfinity online is is. It's really easy
to put in your address and look at the best

(31:13):
offer for you. But also, you know, like here in Lanting,
the Infinity store over by Eastwood, really helpful people. There,
lots of products, be it phones, whatever it is. They'll
walk you through anything. You can swing on by there.
And you know, one of the things they do with
Thexfinity mobile that's great is you know they say the
same coverage is Verizon, but at a much better price,
which is very cool. Swing by the Xfinity store nearest

(31:37):
you as well.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
We'll just try to trick you into twenty dollars. We'll
try to trick you into taking twenty out of your
pocket instead of taking five every month.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
That guys like Ryan and myself that would forget about
the years. I'm not saying that that I want to
support you guys, but you guys make it so hard, agreed.
I'm not I'm not saying what we do is right,
and I'm not saying all that is correct right.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
The first thing.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
That I'm saying, the number five doesn't work. The number
would have to be the nine to ten dollars a
month range.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, oh Man Spartan two to three to one.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Number one didn't The NCAA report basically show Michigan cheated
and broke many violations. What are Michigan fans celebrating this
because they didn't get punished severely. It's like they don't
care that they cheated.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Two.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I can't wait for the season to start. Either I
will get excited about the future or afraid we need
to show we can control the trenches against a team
like Western or it will be another long season.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Yeah, we've talked about this, the idea that there are
red flags in that Western game. If you can't control
the trenches, there's nothing you can prove for sure. So
it's one of those. But you know, we all know
what looks good, and there can be things that are promising.
But there have been promising things in those particular games
and other years that haven't translated to the rest of

(32:51):
the year. And there have been things even in years
where they wound up being really good where the offense
wasn't great early on. But I do think getting control
of the line of scrimmage, having a run game, you know,
kicking the ball and they're right. The kicking game is
not going to change it down. There are things, there
are things we will learn, and I think the next
week against Boston College, learn even more about Michigan State

(33:12):
own the.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Bushes, Ben Chulick.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Next, why does Tony patit can continue to make me
feel embarrassed to be in the alum of the bit
of a Big Ten school a twenty eight team playoff.
I'm getting tired of the powers that be trying to
ruin this sport we all love just to appease their
TV partners. College football is not the NFL, and bonus
if this is just a way to strong arm their
way to a sixteen team college football playoff with four

(33:38):
automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten f off, Tony, that
idea sucks too. How about we give the twelve team
format more than one season sample size to determine what
the next steps should be.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Well, this is where I'm at too. I think I
really love the twelve team format and I think we
should actually see if it's great because it seems like
it could be great. Do I want another round? Got
more teams? And I don't know how much of this
is Tony Batiti and other voices like Tony Battiti is
you know he's not. This isn't something where he is
the lone voice in the Big ten. There can be

(34:10):
ads and presidents who want this sort of thing. But
Bettini's got to also understand he is just a steward.
He is a short timer. Most people will be college
football fans long after he's done. Many of us will
be in our jobs long after he's done. He's a
short timer. He needs to shepherd this thing. And if
he's we don't have time for him to have all
these wild, wacky ideas if they don't make a ton

(34:31):
of sense. Now, if this got floated out there to
see the pushback, consider the pushback pushback, Like, to me,
you talk about just negating the regular season, you get
up to twenty eight teams, and just the length of
the playoff would be come on, you know anything. I
understand they do that at lower levels, but let anything
beyond sixteen. And I don't think we need to get

(34:52):
to sixteen, but anything beyond sixteen, anything beyond four full
rounds after the season. By the way, you get to sixteen,
you damn well s sure better get rid of the
conference championship games. Those should be long gone at sixteen.
I probably shouldn't be there at twelve, but long gone
at sixteen. And I would challenge Tony Battiti to explain
himself in any other way, and I challenge, well, yeah,

(35:15):
I just you know this isn't you know? A staring
contest college football?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Petit.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
College football is at a situation now where it's it's
a little bit of danger of turning people off over
the course of a generation. What you don't want to
do is you have a lot of things people. When
you have something people love and seem to love, like
the twelve team playoff, don't mess it up. Don't screw
around when you don't need to.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
If all of a sudden it's like, boy, this doesn't
work for this reason, then adjust. But let's see it.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
And if you can explain if it's about money and
it's about survival and there's a lot more money and
a lot more places are gonna be able to survive,
then have that conversation. But be really open about it.
You know, say, what if this generation likes it? Have
you talked to this generation? I mean, maybe they want
more teams. If I was a younger fan, maybe i'd
be all into this ship, but you want less five

(36:02):
five rounds after the seasons long, understand and forget about it.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
You and I agree, I don't want more teams. I
don't want it more in the playoff. I'm just saying
the younger generation, we all talk about it's their their
sporting their choice.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Now I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, double down, Dougie next to n C Double A
should pick the games. Sharon Morris suspended four not leave
it up to Michigan to hand select mid majors, make
him sit out the Ohio State game, and others to
give him a postseason ban from coaching.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Well, it should have just been the opening games of
the season. You don't get three and four. You have
to miss that Oklahoma game that that should have been
to me?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Is that why they jump out ahead of it and
then suspended them him themselves? Right, Michigan did correct. They
pay me when it worked, although the next season he
now has the opener. It's just it's just a weird.
It's a really weird scenario. And and but why does
the n C Double A let them do that just
because okay, wow, you guys did half the work for us,
Like they still took three years to figure everything out.

(36:55):
Craig Robinson with just a bonus here, Harbaugh's reported dismissiveness
of the rules is simply the product of the good
old boy nature of the Bow era. It's ingrained and cultural,
as D'Antonio equipped, It's the way they do things over there.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Bar Ball certainly fed into that mentality in that perception,
and and yeah, like dressed like bou for Khaki majority
of his time. So yeah, no, there's no doubt that
the the things that outside fans dislike most about Michigan,
Harball played into without question.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Sparty Barber number one.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
The NCAA is ruling on the cheat again sign stealing
scandal is a direct reflection of today's culture. Lying and
cheating will be tolerated if you can pay for it
to College football will never be the same, and not
in a good way. There's no accountability for anything anymore.
Thanks go Blow for ruining it for everyone else.

Speaker 4 (37:54):
I mean, the signs stealing scandal. There's a lot of
I mean, think about SMU at one point, like cheating
has been around for a long time. I'm not Michigan.
Michigan's cheating isn't any worse than a lot of cheating
that's gone on throughout college football, especially in the South.
I mean, you got Paul finebaumb up in arms, I mean,
freaking hey, man, Like, just how about you, how about

(38:18):
you ask somebody who's in the stands of one of
your beloved SEC programs if they let one of the
players date their daughter, you know, like before you start
bitching about the Big ten, like Paul Finebomb's got zero
credibility of that stuff. Like, I'm sorry, I it's still
funny though, Yeah, yeah it was. It was funny, but
I just yeah that stuff. Let's not like ask like

(38:38):
act like this is some sports that's been high and
mighty over time. Michigan has just Michigan has just acted
like a bunch of jackasses here and acted like pretty
you know, the idea that some people were celebrating this
reaction as if.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
On Twitter, Yeah that's the thing. I don't know what
you mean. You know, who is celebrating that? You write, right,
that's a good point. You know, I'm paying attention to
these weirdos.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Skeeter Barnes of Southern Maine. As a student at Michigan,
Joel and Zoo had to sit through the Stephen Threet season.
She hated it so much that years later she started
banging an eighty year old so she'd never have to
suffer through that agony again. Forgive me if I don't
think a twenty million dollar fine is a big deal,
you're gonna have to. You're gonna get some off because

(39:20):
I'm sure you're gonna have to look this up.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
What is he talking about? Bang eighty year old? I
search it? Yeah, I can't. Sorry, I'm guessing this is softball?
Is a softball related?

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Stephen three was the no Stephen three was the quarterback
in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Oh yeah, all right, don't I don't.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, but twenty million dollar fine, you know it's yeah,
Michigan will be able to cover that.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
It's not who's the eighty year old? She was banging?
The story there, all right. Pablo Chaconi eight and four
book it.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
MSU's offense scores thirty five per game, defense surprises people,
and we have to fight to keep Joe Rossi next
off season.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Cockburn Cockburn.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Eight four is I think a reasonable prediction, you know,
just as reasonable as five and seven. So if you
think there's a chance they go under, I think so
what you're saying is it could go either way. No,
what I mean by that is like, I think there
is a I think five to eight wins is probably
I mean, I'm not saying you couldn't have a season
where everything went wrong and they were less or everything

(40:24):
went right and there were more. But five to eight
wins is the window. So if you're trying to think
about betting the over under for Michigan State and the
over unders five and a half, and I'm telling you
there's as good a chance as five as eight, then
you should take the over because there's also a good
chances six or seven or eight. There are more chances
to go over than under. I think basin, I think
this team's got a higher floor than people realize. That said,

(40:47):
you know, I do think the schedule is full of
games that are competitive, and so it's not like you
just don't have a lot of breaks in it. But
I think this team will have the depth to show
up most most weeks.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
The bottom line is I could see that game going
one way.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Ethan Charmela next, MSU football goes seven and five, Childs
heads to the NFL after the season, and bonus Nebraska
on the Road will be the biggest win of the season.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
That would be a big win, a huge wine.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think Nebraska is gonna be pretty solid, and I
don't know if this is their year, if they're a
year away still, but I think.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
That that rule in year three though notoriously. Yeah, it
turns those things around with that. Kevin from Rochester Hills,
Michigan does not have fans. They have delusional free cult
members and bonus, Paul Finebaum is the voice of the people.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
He is not. He's not the voice of the people
of the South. Yeah, well he agreed.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
He agreed with Michigan State fans on one point, and
a lot of you know, Nick Saban has never cheated.
Jim Comperoni gets all excited. Paul fin mom here tweet tweet,
tweet tweet. Yeah, Jesus reposted that I had to comp
was excited.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Maddy B.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Bonus, I was fine taking one CMU game off, knowing
that willing that they willingly invited him. Not just Costner,
but the head coach burned the relationship to the ground,
especially if there has still been no apology. MS, you
did enough favors for CMU only to be stabbed in
the back.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah, CMU's gotta gotta step up here. There's no question
about that. And I'm not saying this shouldn't. And I
tweeted out something that the people fired up because I
was a little knowing, Yeah, stupidly. Our friend Matt she
Han had a tweet responding to a Central Michigan fan.
I don't even remember what the Central Michigan fan did,
but it was a meme or it was a any

(42:27):
skull that she had. It was a video of basically
very dismissive in the way, very smug and dismissive.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Now but that she had. No, he's not smug and.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Dismissive a little bit sometimes come on anyway, but the
same thing that what I saw on that. And I
may have overreacted and I just something that set me
off in the moment and may have not been Yeah,
I should think that.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Let me just talk to you, Let me talk to
you to the side here, think before you tweet the
better than that.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
But what I saw is the same type of attitude
the Michigan State fans hate when like Michigan fant had,
I don't care what you think, but national fat it's
the same thing like the dismissive nature in the food
chain of college sports. When a small you know, there
is a food chain and Michigan State is below Michigan
on that food chain that drives Michigan State fans nuts,
and the MAC is well below the Big ten. And

(43:17):
when when you exert that bullied, dismissive, smug nature in
any realm, it's unbecoming.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
If it's a one off, I mean, there's certain you know,
and she puts his name on it.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
And you no, I wasn't that bad. I love shehann
she Han does an unbelievable job with Lockhown Spartans. He's
I love going on that show. Look, well he's able
to do five days a week. I mean we've done
the five in the closet. Yeah No, I mean she
ends up swearing holy crazy, holy fuck. Yeah, all right,

(43:48):
shop couch. Here's what you don't get about the CMU thing.
If they had immediately apologized and took responsibility and fired
all the people involved, including their ship bag a d
as an MSU, I'd have no further issue with them.
But they smugly and defiantly denied it and obstructed it. Yeah,

(44:09):
I mean, I get it like that I'm not defending
CMU here. I get why people are angry at CMU,
and they have it. They have every right to be.
And CMU is is to me is at some point
and it's not you know, the president was brand new
and that he kind of came in after the ad
is the one person who's there for all this and

(44:30):
at some level, and I understand there's an NCAA investigation.
People hide behind that stuff, but you you got to
be nca doesn't have anyo much power. You've got to
be you got to be bigger than that. And I
understand also this there's a danger in admitting too much
because you think the NCWA will punish you. Then you
got to figure out what you can do and behind
closed doors at the very least, the fact that they

(44:50):
had never reached out to Allen Haller and maybe they
have to j bad at this point, but they had
not Dalen Haller at the point.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
That he was let go.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
That's that's that's ridiculous, because even if you hadn't done
anything publicly, if Haller could have been able to say, hey,
you know, there's stuff coming down the pike. I appreciated
the phone call, you know, we'll figure this out. That
would have gone a long way. That would just do
that behind the scenes. He didn't have to share what
you said, but the fact that you would have reached
out would have been appreciate, would have shown that you

(45:19):
understand that you were in the wrong and CMU has
not done it.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
But you shouldn't want people to know what you said though, right,
it should be a public apology and all that. Certain
things you shouldn't have to even apologize underneath it all
this do it out in public. Lion's reply guy number one.
If you could add any non quarterback piece to this
Lion's team, who would it be? TJ Watt opposite Hutchinson
would be wild, But I would also talk myself into
Lane Johnson opposite side of Sewell and two. Ben Johnson

(45:45):
gives off Adam Gase, Vibes and and Caleb together make
it extremely easy to hate the Bears. I bet Ben
Johnson paints his nails as a last ditch effort to
jump start and motivate the team.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
By week eight, he is no Dan Campbell. Who would
you want opposite at any non QB piece to the Lions?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
What would it be?

Speaker 4 (46:04):
A stud center? I mean after losing Rag Now, I'm
just you know you want that offensive line to be
a bear again?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Is that too? And at center?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
It starts at the center position. It's such an important position.
It just I can't stop thinking about not having Rag
Now there it stinks on iceo some yeah, wait do
you use her name? Detroit fans are traumatized, not one
till your fan is optimistic after being one of the
top teams in the Major League Baseball, in Major League
Baseball all season. Graham, get on your therapist hat and

(46:34):
help us get over our collective crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Well, they have studied things, and you know Cleveland is
cooled down. And if you if you want to be optimistic,
I mean, obviously Paddock is a disaster.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Is a disaster.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
It's a former team, right, is that We're going to
chalk it up against and you look good in two games,
look like shit in too.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
But let's say this, in a postseason, all you need
is a three idiot three starting a rotation right again,
you have too many days off between games. You need
three starters. Really in the postseason, You've got Scooball, you
got myz You're gonna go Morton, right, So you got
those three and maybe that's enough, not even Flair and
you got well Flarity. Maybe I don't know if I'd
start Flirty in the postseason, wul.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
You right now? No, No, I wouldn't. I know. I'm
saying it's crazy though, and then so so Flarity.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Maybe it becomes a long reliever Milton, I think is
somebody who could be good in relief. I think you've
got two guys at the back end of the pen
who are pretty good right now, and so you got
your short of eighth and ninth inning guys, and in
the in the in the postseason, you can pitch those
guys almost every day game because you're gonna have two
games on day off, that sort of thing. So there

(47:38):
is an avenue where the Tigers have just enough to
be okay if you know, if they're hitting well and
other things that would be and obviously they're they're the
right of the ship to the point they're going to
be in the postseason. It looks like they should have
win the division.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
But I swear that like this, uh my thought process,
like coming into this show today, it started with gambling
related like yesterday with Paddock, because I had a little
single game parlay Tigers minus one and a half too,
you know. But you know, I just watched this team
and I go, man, this team annoys me because I
just can't figure out what we're gonna do in the playoffs. Like,
I know our right, I look at our record, We're

(48:12):
twenty games over five hundred. I should be excited. But
when I watched this team, I'm like, there's no way
we're doing anything in the playoffs though, right, And we're watching.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
School for the Light.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
You know, it's like, oh, we're not gonna extend him,
so this guy is not gonna be pitching for us.
It's just a weird team to root for this year,
you don't know. And then you want to sit there
and then Scott Harris provides these guys that you're sus
you have, you know, little sus So you're like, Okay,
I don't want to sit there and act stupid and
come out against certain these certain guys like Morton and
all that shit, because they might end up working. Now,
it's just a really weird, frustrating team to root for. Yeah,

(48:45):
it's an unset. It's like I'm just saying I want to,
you know, be excited about a playoff push and all that,
But do I I'm looking at the other teams that
are gonna be in the playoffs, and I'm like, do
we stack up against any of these playoff teams right now?
I mean, yeah, we look great in the AL Central,
that complete ass, but their record is still.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Better than most.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
I know.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
I know this would be a big week they get
the Astros, right, so the Astros are the type of
team they're gonna play, and the Astros are a team
that's right there. They're battling with for one of those
top two playoff spots, so they get they don't have
to play in that first round. Let's see what they
look like. It's not even about if you can go
one and two against the Astros, that's not a big deal.
People lose baseball games all the time. But do you
look like you belong on the field with them? Does

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this look like? If you look like you belong on
the field of the Astros and it's pretty much, you know,
you win one or two games and it's toe to toe,
then I think everybody calms down a little bit.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Tyler, pick your top five batters in the AL Central.
I'd go with Green, Kwan, Buxton, torqueh No Ramirez. Jose
Ramirez is one of the best baseball players in the
not only AL Central, but the whole league. Yeah, I
think i'd put him in before tor I mean, I
like your out.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I mean, Kwan is A. I hate that dude. He's good.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
God, he's the worst, I really do. I hate seeing
that guy Bliz next number one. This new virtual measurement
in the NFL is kind of stupid. Now, if they
could figure out a better way to get a correct
spot on the ball, well then we'd be talking and two.
Seems to me that the Power four and Group of
five would be better off without the NC double A
and get commissioners like the NFL.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
What this virtual measurement? I am not aware of what's going.
What is this virtually?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
You know, I watched the game on Saturday, and I
could not believe how much of a ref show, flag show.
I understand it's preseason football, but my god, it's unwatchable.
It's absolutely unwatchable. I sat there through it, but so
I don't know. I zoned. Probably when they were doing
the do visual measurement. They had three TVs going.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
So that's they're still gonna have the chain gain as
far as you know what everything's going to be like
an actual I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Surprising, non eighty five year old guy, right, it's surprising.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Has taken this long. I mean you think about it
like anybody who watches soccer. You know, you have you know,
and they're getting faster this but for a while they've
been drawing lines pretty quickly with the with off sides.
And now they have the you know, the automated stuff,
so they should have the technology. It shouldn't be you're right,
eighty five year old guy with a chain gain deciding
whether you made it by an inch?

Speaker 1 (51:07):
You know, I don't know. I mean what a gig.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
That would be a tough gig to sit there and
go up and down, up and down, especially forty six
years old, and I imagine those guys.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
My biggest beef has always been the officials when they
come in from the side and you can see where
they are when they come in with the side to
spot the ball, and then you can watch them move,
you know, within four or five inches one way or
the other, and you're like.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Bet on that shit, you got a bet going. You're like,
what the You're like can you not run on a
straight line?

Speaker 1 (51:31):
My man? Like, do you point at the screen that
raf right there? You know?

Speaker 4 (51:34):
And here would be my thing if if at least
if they measured, if they had to go to measurement
right and they were off by three or four inches,
if at least they did, like this thing up in
their hands, like yeah, I don't know, yeah if I
get yeah, we thought it's about because they act it's
like so convicted first down, you don't know if it's
a first down you move six inches.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
But I respect that though you have to act like
you know what you're doing. You can't sit there and
shrug your shoulders when you're trying to do that. You
got to sit there. It's like, yeah, be passionate about
that first down, even though you know you fucking moved.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
A million Teddy Valentine's out there they do.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Oh man, he's a great ref though original dark Mantonio,
you either misconstrued my question or I worded it badly,
But I was asking would MSU fans still be in
the same fire, breathing uproar about everything that happened with
Michigan winning in the Stallions thing if it was instead
Maryland and Stallions.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
No, because Maryland's not their rival. They don't have that history.
I mean, this is the school. It would be interesting
for a half minute, but yeah, and it would be
a story and they would have played Maryland a lot,
and so yeah, and there would be people would look
at the the national Championship is tarnished and an asterisk,
and Maryland is a school probably would have been banished.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
But the.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
No, you know, this is the school that try to
keep Michigan State out of the Big ten. This is
the school with a lot of history with Michigan State,
and you know this is a rivalry, and so they're
going to feel different. These are people who you know,
they you know, they live in the state together. They
root for the Lions and Tigers together a lot of people.
This is a This is tight quarters and so that's

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why it's different.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Parker Wise, next number one. I don't give a shit.
That championship has every asterisk known to mankind attached to it,
and to the Premier League starting in mid August is
the best thing happening for sports fans right now. I
can't handle just baseball and golf majors that are being
golf majors being over that long before football starts.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Premier League's amazing. I mean, it was so good to
have it back last week. It just it changes life.
And really there's so many other sports that that not
so many, but there are other sports that miss the
window here and this should be a point where you've
before football start, you really got it. Like I think
the w NBA does a better job now, but MLS

(53:45):
should be on like five nights a week right now,
and even before the Premier League they should have. They
should be just regular.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
People throw dildo's on the field there in soccer games too,
how they throw worse. They throw water bottles and stuff
at players on the shaded penises that a water bottle
is worse than a fake dick.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
It's probably not gonna hurt. Its probably gonna hurt more
a full water bottle. So you'd rather be hit with
a dick? Yes, a fake penis?

Speaker 1 (54:07):
Yes? Would you?

Speaker 4 (54:10):
You guys know, now hit him with a dick? What
I I'd rather be hit with a water bottle. You'd
rather be hit from distance the water bottle than a dildo?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Because what if I die and then I'm dead by dildo?
I'd rather be dead by a water bottle hitting me
in the head. What kind of water bottle like the
plastic ones? Are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Like that? But it's like a full water bottle. That's
pretty that's a lot, that's a full dildo. I don't know.
I don't how many do you have? How many of
you hung on to? They're pretty hefty.

Speaker 4 (54:41):
I don't have a lot of experience with them, I'll
be honest, So maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Big John Hogg number one got married doing thank you
cards his ass and requires pure options to make it bearable,
and to the NCAA is spineless. Michigan still virtue signaling
is peak hypocrisy. Need more media members calling Michigan out
on this.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
A lot half I mean the media largely nationally. It
has largely been against Michigan on this. There have been
very few, like columns that were all pro Michigan on this.
The thank you cards?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Did you have to do? Thank you cards?

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (55:18):
It was?

Speaker 1 (55:18):
It was the worst.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
But I will say this, I was the one pushing
to get them done. Though when we did them, I
gotta say I was thinking about this. I don't even
know if we finished ours, but I remember kept going like, Babe,
we gotta do these, like I'll sit down, because she
would write the majority of it and I would just
you know, write my little thingy. But yes, it is
very much ass.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
The hardest thing for me is my signature is so
unrecognizable that I have to like write my name and
I can't even.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Well, there's two people and they're getting it from a
couple that they went to their wedding, so I'm pretty
sure they can figure out the woman's and then if
they you just wrote chicken scratch, but oh there's Graham signature.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. I have to say Elizabeth was definitely driving the
We need to get these out. You know, can you
just send out a fucking email like a mass email
that doesn't working them?

Speaker 4 (56:01):
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Speaker 3 (56:28):
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Speaker 1 (56:33):
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Speaker 3 (56:37):
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Speaker 4 (56:45):
I'm probably gonna listen at some point because I've seen
enough clips, and You're right, it's right up my alley.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
God, did you by the way, By the way, I
think we're one and done with TikTok. Oh, Yeah, I
had enough with TikTok.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
You realize that we had.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I posted a ten second, fifteen second clip of talking
about t watching. It has surpassed any other video I've
posted TikTok.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Wise, maybe that's what we ought to be. I was
about to say, do the whole show on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
You already love so many things that are asked, why
don't you just do a tailor Swift report. We can
post that and we become the Taylor Swift. It was
insane of how many that little clip got before the
other four videos I posted.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
It drowned it out.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
And by the way, when you open TikTok and it's
just blaring at you like, I don't know, man, I
don't know how much more.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I could take it to TikTok. It is brutal mcv.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Any main road that has a speed limit under forty
five miles per hour doesn't need an electronic speed sign
and bonus, seeing as this past winter lasted through early June,
any and all trees that are now showing signs of
fall will be aggressively covered in taco bell rappers.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
So if people don't know what that means is I
used to when Mother Nature did not cooperate, I would litter,
and once did with taco bell rappers when I was
really upset at Mother Nature.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
God back at her. Yeah, well that's the thing you're in,
Liz Frank those two. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I did not kyle mother Nature mother Nature anymore. I
call her the weather because she has not earned the
right to be called anything that's a motherly figure. Because
to be I have a personification, you have to be
able to be held accountable, and she cannot.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
So there's that way. It's stay in tall MCV. No
read that.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Al Ron Hubbard of The cupboard to take one number
one excessive use and inability to control oneself while consuming,
two hiding use from your spouse, and three still using
despite health issues.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
No, not talking about Jason Graham. Have a seat.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
We're all here because we love you despite your donut addiction.
I do a pretty good say that sounded familiar about
five years ago. I think I had the same convo
with some family members.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Yeah, a little intervention. It's pretty fairly obvious. One way
had two options. I didn't need anybody tell me. You
knew it when it happened. Yeah, it was time. Yeah,
there was no like, well, I could just still have beer.
But it was impressive that you were committed to your health.
I appreciate it. I appreciate you thinking it was impressive.
I've been very impressive either death or that you lose everything. Well,

(59:01):
some people choose death, you know, and you did not.
So I received Coors Light very much for they're very
most respect Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Yeah, c dubs ninety one, hot take Tigers win five
of the next six and regain the best record in
the AO and reasonable meet The Spartan's returning this week
is the second best thing to happen to MSU football
since twenty nineteen. Kenneth Walker being first fan engagement is
a key, a huge key to success.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, I know, I think this is smart and not
having it last year was probably a miss. And you know,
I think, you know, every coach takes over program, learns
what they like, what's important to fans, you know, And
I think it especially when you don't have a spring game,
it's a way to connect with people. And in this
day and age too, when it's harder to know who
the guys are. Now people know who Aid and Childs,
as they know Nick Marsh, But you know, there are

(59:51):
a lot of guys Marik Kelly, who's gonna, I think,
going to be a really really impactful, important piece to
this team at receiver. Those sort of guys to shake
the hand, sign to autographs, you know, take pictures with
kids and stuff like that. That stuff goes a long way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
I think the basketball team, not only do they have
midnight Madness, but what they get out of Moneyball and
the way fans feel connection to them helps all year
long with how they feel about certain guys. And now
if you happen to transfer to North Carolina State, like
any fan base, will turn their back on you and
threaten to kill you. But that's that's a whole different
that's a whole different issue as long as you are loyal.

(01:00:28):
You see this in soccer too. It's unbelievable. There are
times I just it's see what fights.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Well? Passion.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Yeah, it's just this feeling like somebody leaves your team.
It's complete betrayal'.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Isn't that a part of it? Though? Like how far?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It just depends on how far you take it obviously, right,
I feel like you can be passionate about it as
long as you don't tweet at the person or DM
like we see all these people DMan.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
I see golfers get dms and so like. So like
Diego Shata. He's the Liverpool player in a car accident
with his brother in early July. Everywhere that going right now,
there's all these tributes to him and they're very emotional
and they're very cool. If that guy had instead, and
they're bad he left the earth, I mean, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
But if he had instead, and before a year ago,
if he had just decided you want to play somewhere
else in his career, that guy would have been dead
to them. Then wow, like that's that's how It's just
kind of it's it's it's not what he's saying, not
a lot of perspective sometimes and I'd say, you just
see that in an example, Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
What the guy really did die? Right? No, that's what
I mean. Yeah, but now they're yes, sorry, it was
just a shock to the system. That example. My bad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:36):
I'm saying, if you want to be beloved, you're better
off dying than leaving the team for any other reason.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
David Jackson Number one, The Tiger's ability to be maddening
right in the midst of a great season makes the
strangest season by far I've ever experienced with Tiger baseball,
aside from the glorious second half last season, of course,
and to Twitter's character limit on post is all that
prevents me from detailing the fur I'll have My University
of Central doesn't feel all the pain that Michigan State

(01:02:04):
can inflict on us.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
So, David, I would ask you another fans, like, what
would be more satisfying canceling the game and saying we're
just not playing you, and you know, you play somebody
else and you move on for a bit, yep, or
playing them and winning like one hundred and six to nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
And just just destroying one hundred and six.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Whatever the number two many quarters we playing, all right,
let's say the number is seventy seventy to three.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I'd rather tell them to go fuck off? Okay, Yeah,
I just wonder because then we sought to pay him, right, Yeah,
not we, but you know Michigan States, that's the pay. Yeah, no,
David Cox. Quarterback is the most important position in all
of sports. MSU clearly has one of the most talented
quarterbacks in the country, if not the most talented. If
he puts it together, then MSU makes the playoffs this year.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
What makes Michigan State an intriguing football team is playoff
is they do have some high end guys. You know this,
Mel Tucker said it, well, when you just talked about
you needed three or four difference makers on each side
of the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Ball, Yeah, I don't. We don't have enough time for
all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
And you know, Meil obviously had his flaws, but he
was not wrong about that. And so Eighten Childs are
the type of guy who can be that. Now, there
is no guarantee that he's going to be a consistent
enough player to let his talent take hold and lead
them places. But he is the type of player of
that sort of ceiling. And if you get Childs and
marsh and maybe another receiver, you know, and you really
have three difference makers on that side of the ball

(01:03:24):
and you can find him on the other side of
the ball, you need a cut, you know. That's that's
the thing. It's do they have real and we just
don't know that? I mean, you know they One of
the things I'm really realizing about this staff is is
they are being coy about Jonathan Smith is sort of
letting slip that they have made some decisions that they're
not letting onto. One minute, they'll talk about, you know, oh,

(01:03:46):
the position battles still here, and then he'll accidentally said
say something along the lines of, you know, we haven't
really let them know yet. I think they know a
lot more than they're letting on. And there may be
guys and you hear moments where people are like, this
guy is the best guy I go against, or this
guy is really good or this but it's just not

(01:04:06):
enough to trust it. But maybe they have that guy
on defense. Maybe they have a couple of them. Maybe
they'll be fine. Maybe this season will be a lot
better than people expect. I think there's a lot of intrigue,
and it's a growing intrigue, and I think there's alegitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Amount of modest hope that they're better than they've been
the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Scott, you next, what is MSU doing to maintain and
growing enrollment? Over the past ten years, CMU and Western
have both seen enrollment go from twenty six k to
thirteen k. Seems the big schools and the power conferences
are leaving behind smaller schools in more ways than just sports.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
So, I mean, obviously they're doing a huge capitol campaign
right now. There are certain things either doing with facilities,
and so I shouldn't say I don't know entirely, but
I don't know everything. I don't, you know, I'm not
in a lum I don't receive you know, my wife
went to Michigan State and she went to James Madison.
She gets the you know, asking for money stuff all
the time. And but you know, I mean, there are
you know, new wellness centers and the you know, the

(01:05:09):
types of facilities they have, and uh, they're clearly up
in things there because you have to attract students and
the type of dining options you have and all those
sort of things are you're competing against other other people.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
So there's there's that. Michigan States can be fine. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Higher education in general right now is under a little
bit of an assault, but there are Michigan State is
going to be okay. Michigan is going to be okay.
Not every school will be okay, but Michigan State will.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Professor Naxt Dylan Dingler will be the tires best positional
player next season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
And baked cheese at snack Mix is elite. I'm okay
with you. I mean it's yeah, cheese, its are what
they are.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
You know, I've had enough to drink. It's definitely up there.
Dylan Dingler. I mean, he's been a revelation this year.
And it's interesting because they have, you know, guys in
the system. They're intrigued about it that too. It'll be
interesting to see what but he certainly seems like he
could be the future.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
There Couch on Fire.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
We expect Harriba to be a slime ball, but Stallions
had an honorable past a Navy grad and Marine officer,
and still was corrupted by that corn and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Blue school sad and tragic bonus.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Tiger's shopped in the budget bin at the deadline, and
so far they have a couple of gems and a
couple of misses.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Yeah, for what they traded and what they got it,
I mean it has not been you know, you got
a quality top reliever in Finnegan. Morton's had good starts
to this point, Like, I think you have to look
at it and say, for what they gave up, they've gotten.
You know, if you said the Tigers are going to
get one reliever that so far they've been rely on
and one back end piece of the bullpen, you wouldn't

(01:06:42):
feel that bad. They just had a couple that haven't worked.
The key is not using the guys at some point
who don't work and not you know, uh, it's impossible
these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
They Yeah, Scott Harris can not get ready rid of
any of his guys. If Trey Sweeney can still make it,
that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Right now, Paddock is just like throwing little pitches. People
are just beating the pants off it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Aj Left have been a little too long, though, neurotic
pants number one f MSU. If wow, that can really
change without one letter. If MSU makes hockey too expensive
and difficult for people like me to attend, then I
might switch allegiances. Public universities should serve the public and too.
If Jonathan Smith doesn't improve this year, MSU football will

(01:07:23):
suffer for decade.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
So to your first point, though, it would be the argument,
and I'm not saying I think there is a line
they have to toe where it has to be affordable,
and hockey for a long time has been the best
bargain at Michigan State. But you can also have a
situation where you know, you just saw the last decade
and it doesn't have to get that bad again. But
it's expensive to compete in hockey. It is, and and
sports are getting more and more expensive, and that's what

(01:07:45):
it does suck in that sense, it's not the bargain
it once was, so you have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Like the LSJ can even survive on five bucks fair enough.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
I do think that you know, the school needs to
be aware that you know, football tickets aren't cheaper than
they were last year. I know seat licenses there have
gone up for some people, certainly are for hockey and
for people, and so people have multiple, multiple tickets to
multiple sports that are having to make decisions sometimes and

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You almost have to embezzle to watch sports now. It's
pretty crazy.

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Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Tim Tim next to any Shae Michigan fans would have
had quickly win a when they beat Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama,
and Washington after the news broke and followed that up
with Ohio State last year. Those wins make it a
lot easier to be dismissive of the sign stealing as
any competitive advantage and not some technicality.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I mean there is something to that. I mean it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
I think if they had, if it had been discovered
after that run, right, if they had after the playoff,
that the outcry would have been even greater because it
would have been from like the TSU game or some
CU Well yeah, right, that's the point. There are other
years where it it, you know, and the build up
to it, and I think the momentum created and I
think there's still something there and it may have not

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mattered a whole heck of a lot. The problem is
when you look like you're guilty, which they have done
a pretty good job of looking guilty, and it's hard
to show exactly what advantages they have. And they definitely
bent the rules or cheated more than bent the rules.
You know, that they put themselves in this spot. It
doesn't mean that they didn't have a fantastic team. That

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doesn't mean they didn't have a team capable of winning
a national title without any of it. It's just they
put themselves in the spot and they're gonna have to
pay for it forever. In terms of a lot of
people just sort of thinking this is an illegitimate championship,
or at least one that comes with an astress.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Matt C next Michigan is the equivalent of Kendall Roy, spoiled, entitled, junkie,
rich kid who could kill somebody and get away with it.
This is what happens when the media, n Cuba and
law enforcement refused to hold them accountable.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
It was Kendall Roy from the Fuck the HBO Show,
not hold on, give me a second, yes, give me
out of the Scott Sopranos.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Succession succession, he's the Yeah, he's the yeah, yeah, no, sorry,
he's the Jeremy Strong character in succession.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Yeah. So, Matt C.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Let me reiterate something again. CMU has no connection to
Michigan State. That is some weird mac fantasy you talk
with spot about when you're lonely. Real fans who actually
attended MSU find CMU as an STD ridden hellscape not
worth state funding.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
Some good parties up there, though. Yeah, and that already
feels that way. Yeah, yeah, not ever feel that way,
big times. Yeah, I used to want There was a
moment where I thought about going to CMU when I
was oh yeah, high school. One of the big party. Well, no,
it was one of the first people I knew, one
of the first dorms I like went to visit. Somebody
was already up. There was a couple of years ahead
of me, or year ahead of Yeah, and it just
seemed like a lot of fun. And but that was

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really the first, you know, before I toured any other
college or thought about it seriously. But it didn't seem
like a bad place. Of course, this was nineteen ninety six,
so you know, might have changed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Matt C.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Graham, can you ensure Smith knows Michigan players said that
they were going to take a belt to ask to
this to his team. Even a soft, gentle soul like
himself should be able to use this to motivate his team.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
It would be interesting if they put that up on
the big screen before the game, you know, felt that yeah,
I mean h or just that video yeah, yeah, of
the players doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Tell what did Tony?

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
It's Monday fuck d mb Couch saying Harbaugh is an
odd duck with a little something different going on. There
was funny, but I like to call him rain man.
I think Harbaugh's greatest defense is that it's tough. Because
that movie came out forty years ago. So some people
don't get a great movie though. If you got me
Dustin Hoffman, Yeah, Tom Cruise, great movie you gotta be

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made today. But you know couldn't be made today.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I don't think. I don't think it would go differently.
Every once in a while, I just say, you gotta watch,
gotta watch. Oh you find that funny? I didn't. I'm
not get in trouble here. Let keep going. Scottie Green's
El Camino.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
If the rumors about straight Horn are true, he'll fit
right in with the dirtiest program in the country. If
they're true, only if some dude I'm behind a week
from a fishing trip, so these takes might be old
to be funny. This is like I hope the Tigers
do something at the deadline. Number one, fuck stray hoard.
Two A snowface is bullshit. I suppose we don't play

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stick the Dealer. Fucking Mulligans. Can Aidan Chiles get some
do overs this year? And three, this is when Dan
Campbell proves his true genius. Lions will have a slightly
worse regular season than last year, but a dominant Super
Bowl playoff run.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Everybody in the world would settle for that. Fuck you
sign up for it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I mean I think and I think that's the thing
that'll be interesting during the season, even if there are
a couple. I think people will be able to stomach
losses as long as they don't look like losses that
are because everybody, you know, you don't want to peak
too early in a season. You don't want to be lost.
You've won fifteen games last year. I'm not right his
stomach losses. Well, have the losses that don't look like
the show is going to suck when they lose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
But I don't know. It's our core foundation, man, grip.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
You get a healthy team that loses some games, I
think people would be able to handle that blow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Go boner.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Next, Michigan has rubber rubber They're not what are we
doing here? Michigan has rubber their nuts in the NC
double A Fate rubbed you're killing me today, cout Sorry, Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Has rubbed their nuts in the NC double A face.
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
I guess she probably should read these this entire time.
Appealing is just the final thrust. The reason alone, you'd
think that they would want to hit them harder. Love
how things are not turning back to who the whistleblower is?

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
How dare they catch me cheating at my wife? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
What happened in that thing? Has he cheating on his
wife too? No, there's some deal with like in Ohio
state whistle. Yeah, it does seem to Lily's face. Yeah,
it seems like the focus and the concern is in
the wrong place.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Jay Riemenschneider a mind clearing and relaxing Take go walk
in a nature area, listen to the birds chirping, leaves
blowing in the wind, the river flowing, and leave the
pressures of life, social media, bad news and all that
behind for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
It's really the only non changing constant we have and
it's awesome. Thank you, Jay. This this is yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
But what do you listen to when you're on the walk.
You gotta have, you know, your ear pods and listen
to a podcast. You know you want to listen glory. Yeah,
you can do like what's the way I do nature?
But I mean I gotta have something to like. So
you never just walk and what think your thoughts? Well,
your thoughts can be dark, But do you want to
I mean, do you just do you ever just walk
and listen to the sounds around you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
I mean when Teresa and I go for a walk.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
Obviously I'm not rude, but if I'm by myself, I
need something to I mean, dude, I'll turn it off
here and they're pull a butt out, like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Is that a bird? Oh cool? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
Everyone I'd like to do. I'd like I try and
do like fifteen minutes a day that are aren't with
like off trial. Now I'm talking when it's on treadmill,
I need to be attached. Okay, yeah, that's different.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
But the rare times you're off treadmill walking, what.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Happened all the time I walked over to my mother's house.
I try to have just what you walk into her house.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
I'm saying, if you went on to like a nature walk,
a mile and a half walk with nothing, it's a long, bored,
hands jerking Number one Groovy Donuts said, I got one
less problem without you, and threw me out too. I
caught Jason wearing big sunglasses and a sombrero while buying
Hosts Donuts admire.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
I feel so bad for people that look like me
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Three With communism, no sponsors would be necessary, No gram
live Reides Workers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Unite Communism station from the live reies. I don't know.
I think we're gonna stick with the live reads, but
I appreciate you Hunts.

Speaker 3 (01:16:16):
They're great. I love them all right. Jake Hawkins number
one great. Three quick takes on the punishment Michigan got
from the nc double A thank you. You're one hundred
percent right. This was their last stand to set an
example of a school breaking the rules. I wasn't expecting
the death penalty SMU got, but I wasn't surprised at
what Michigan got. NCUBA showed that they're all bark no

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bite and to the Tigers should bring up Kevin mccognagal
McGee for the September roster and the playoffs. He can
do more for the shortstop position than what they have now,
plus a possible boosted bat. Only four current MLB stud
players had better UH wins replacing some TV plus what
did he say by the RC plus stats in the

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minor leagues then mcgognical McGee. I like McGee is a name, mcgognagal.
I hate saying his name mcgognical.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
I think it would be fun to see him up.
I think that would be a nice boost for people.
It's interesting, I like Tray Sweeney. What are you talking about?
You don't like Trey Sweeney's bat I'm just kidding. I
went over to the lug Nuts yesterday because I was
going to do a piece on Leo Devrees, the like
one of the top you know, five prospects in baseball
who got traded from the Padres to the or to

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the whatever A's, Sacramento Aes whoever they are athletics at
the trade deadline, and the A's are of course. Yeah,
and anyway, so I went over there and you saw
him go like to four again a little bit, and
he had an unbelievable series like seven for eleven, two homers,
forty six RBIs or something over the weekend. And I
was supposed to do a feature on him and talked

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to him after the game, and the idea was to
write it this week before their final homestand six game
homestand next week and right after the game he got
called up to double A from the final two weeks
of the season. So there, so you hate him now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
He paid ten. No, No, he wanted to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
They went, I'm an obviously there's no point in the feature,
now he's not even gonna be in Lanting anymore for
people to see. It was a very brief stint. I mean,
if he goes on to be a great player, it'll
be you know, along They've had many great players in Lansing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Couch was like, guess who's got the afternoon off? Fuck yeah,
jerk guy. Number one, the n C DOUABA as an
organization is on its last legs. And two the Lions
are either going to make the super Bowl or have
so many injuries that they don't make the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
I see no in between that sort of depressions. Now
how we have on the show?

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Yeah, yeah, wrong, no, right, gotta do better, jerk guy,
give us a number, give us a word. We have
to look up that I'm hearing his porn or something
like that. Yeah right, come on, jerk guy. Gognigel. Appreciate
all of you, by the way, We really do and
appreciate all of you for your takes. I know I
trimmed some of them down, and a lot of people
had like three or four and they were cut the
one or two. We want to get everybody in and

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uh we do, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Really.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
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