Ep. 1065: Twitter Questions: How to evaluate MSU football in its opener vs. WMU

We answered your questions — on Michigan State football heading into Friday night's opener, on MSU basketball, on the early moves by AD J Batt, on the Tigers, our knowledges of pop culture and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:49):
All up.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Oh oh oh oh oh oh oh.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
H. What do you get when you cross a know
it all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man. Yeah, well,
I'm just not sure about that right now. Welcome and

(02:06):
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you're doing brother? I mean I felt all of Fred human,
really good. Penis the you're a portal, what's up, buddy,

(02:49):
Football's back? Finally let's fucking go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
By the way, I saw a picture of the the
JBAT press conference and all the all the dignitaries that
were there did see Fred. Yeah, it's a Fred, It's
a Horns. The Worlse was there the recorders row.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
There were a couple of times where I felt all
of Fred human, almost how could you not? Yeah, it
was I felt all of Fred human, like damn Jay
batt here you go man, quite the crew to it. Welcome. Yeah.
He actually resigned today as Michigan State's idea was like,
the hell with this after the first yeah, before the
first game of you wild, I don't want to deal

(03:27):
with these yocals.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Let's holy shit, but it's good to have football back.
It is good. It's great. Got a parlay already going
for tonight's game. It's bombs all right.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Before we dig into these groovy done at Twitter questions,
let's let's dig in what we were betting this weekend,
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and the FireKeepers Ie Casino and sportsbook app. What are
you betting? What is the parlay?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
This is something just thrown together. Have no idea Buffalo
plus seventeen and a half against Minnesota Row the boat there,
Wisconsin minus seventeen and a hook against the Miami.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Of Ohio RedHawks.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think that Wisconsin Luke Fickle, He's gonna run all
over those boys.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you have Buffalo or Minnesota. I got.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
I took Buffalo with the point. I took Buffalo plus
seventeen in a hook. Okay, Wisconsin minus seventeen in a hook,
all right. And for some reason I took Nebraska money line,
which I'm more confident about. Nebraska again Cincinnati minus six
in a hook. I don't know why. So, like I said,
I just threw this together this morning because I had
to have some juice, some action tonight that in these games.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
I'm on the six and hook. I bought it down
to six, but I'm on.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
But I went money line minus two fifty like a woosbag.
I mean, it still pays out. What is this five
plus five or four to ten with this profit boost
plus five twelve?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Very gram like move.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, no, I know, I know, but it's the first week.
I'm just trying to get my feet wet. You know.
It's a little, a little sprinkle action on tonight's games,
but I'm gonna blow my whole freaking bankroll on Thursday
night football. I've done that before, but I'm trying to,
you know, more experienced gambler, more mature game.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Absolutely the best thing you can do in week one
is come out of week one with your powder still dry.
That's the best thing you can do, because it's powder.
Something like a youph and euphemism. Yeah, it just means
you didn't you didn't hear too much. No, No, it's
like I didn't know. I've never heard that before. I've
been listening to many British gambling shows, I think. But
that's a really good penis. Oh that's a British term.

(05:13):
Well I've heard it Heritish gambling slang. Yeah, definitely, Yeah,
for sure. All right, Well, I think this can be
a good show. We have a lot of really good
Twitter questions from you and and social media questions from elsewhere.
You know, a lot of MSU football, some good hoops,
some Tigers, some j batt should be a good Taylor Swift.
That's the only thing that gets uh views on the

(05:35):
TikTok from us. That's right, we should have led with
Taylor Swift. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's ridiculous. My wife is like,
well you put hashtag Taylor Swift in there. I'm like, well, yeah,
that's the whole point.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
If you're gonna talk Taylor Swift, try to get some
sort of views off this stupid app. By the way,
did you know that you can buy views on the
TikTok I know, like they do it through their app,
Like I knew that there was a third party, so
there's not actually real views. No, I have not purchased.
I just was on there looking at the what was
going on, and it's like promotion center and I'm like,
promotion centers like you can buy up to like eight

(06:07):
thousand views for eight ninety nine for the month that's
for the show. And I'm like, but what fun is that?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Remember when Twitter had that back in the day where
you could purchase and all of a sudden they talk,
oh yeah, yeah, they took that away and Hondos dropped
by like two.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Thirds the porn box I know. I just don't know
why you'd want to sit there and do that, especially
with the views, because I think you can figure out
the views if all of a sudden, you and I
bought views for our YouTube videos and stuff, and then
there was one that got eight point nine thousand, you know,
I was like, oh wait what and then the rest
get like a thousand.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
It seems a little desperate.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
It's very yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely don't want to
do that. But I guess that's the TikTok game, right.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
The game. Yeah, I'm trying. I think I'm with you,
though TikTok is just one bridge too far. Everything else
I can't it really is.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
I'm trying, guys, and I'm going to keep putting stuff
up there. But I'm talking as far as me scrolling
like I can't. Like as soon as you open the
ABB just starts blaring at you.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
So that's the.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
First sign right there. You should get the fuck off
the app. Because I like Instagram and I'm sitting there
on the toilet my friggin legs fall asleep because I'm
on Instagram too much. That's enough for me. Instagram, I
should barely be on that, to.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Be honest with you, probably shouldn't be in anything I wish.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I honestly, after the show's over, I don't think I'm
gonna be on anything. I still I think I'll float
on Twitter a little bit. But other than that, get
me away and read it.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Maybe. All right, let's dig into these groovy done the total.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Questions Eric Schaltz up. First, finish these sentences. MSU fans
should feel confident that Aiden Chiles has made real growth
if we see blank on Friday, and MSU fans should
be seriously concerned about Aiden Childs if we see blank
on Friday.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So the concern the second one's turnovers, I mean, yeah,
and I think the thing with Chiles that I want
to see and this is beyond like just the turnovers.
The turnovers is definitely a result. And sometimes that's on
a quarterback, sometimes it's not. But I want to see
him get rid of the ball quickly. I want to
see him like play in sync on schedule, not hang

(08:03):
on to it, not misopportunities, you know. I want to
see him get rid of the ball on schedule. I
want to see those sort of moves from him with
this group of wideouts, and that's that to me, would
be a guy at the sign of a maturing quarterback.
If you if you see that, I think it's a
good thing. And if it's a lot of in rhythm
stuff and boom and there and they get a rhythm

(08:23):
as an offense, because that's what they're gonna need from
these groups. Yeah, they're gonna be big plays and they
need some explosive plays, but some of that's gonna the
best stuff's gonna come if they can be a rhythm
offense and can Child's lead that, and then the other
stuff off script will be there here and there. But
against Western if you're gonna be a rhythm offense in
the Big Ten, you're gonna need to do it against
Western Michigan. And if you don't see that, if you

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see him getting sacked, hanging out of the ball, you know,
if you see him trying to make too many plays,
because you may get away with some of that against
Western Michigan, but eventually you won't write. And so you're
trying to measure what you see against Western Michigan against
what's what it's gonna look like when the schedule stiffened.
So that those are the two things I think I
would watch just from a mistakes he made a year

(09:05):
ago or tendencies he had a year ago that you
wanted to change.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Matt's ce up next, Will Aiden Childs have a positive
legacy at MSU got feeling on how his career plays out.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
What I mean, either two years or one year left?
And yeah, I mean it's a great question. A lot
of it depends on this year and the player he becomes.
I tend to lean yes because I think he's a
good kid. I think he's got a load of talent.
I think he wants to be great. And you know,
if he was some troublemaker who like just had a

(09:41):
lot of talent and they were just trying to get
him through school and just sort of, you know, get
him through this experience and lean on that talent, you'd
lean the other way. But that's not the way he is,
and so I tend to think he'll wind up with
a positive legacy.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Next one from Matt ce Graham. When you met with
Jay Batt, did you or the reporters let him know
how much we truly hate Michigan. It's critical he has
a spine when that scumbag word speaks up.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah. I mean some of that was during the off
record stuff, but what he asked about from reporters, you know,
I don't know if that was that specifically came up.
There was a lot of you know, talk about stadium
things and other things that fans like, you know, what
if you're the ad at this point two three months
in how much they hate Michigan, Like you've talked to
people like, it's not like he's looked it up. Yeah,

(10:29):
any one thing I think he's done a good job
of is try to immerse himself in what fans are thinking.
It's one of the reasons he was asking us about it.
It's one of the reasons. You know. He talked about
going around and sitting in every area and looking at
every nook and cranny and spartan stadium at one point,
to get a feel for different areas. And you're sitting
to get a feel for the experience to get I mean,
he's trying. You know that a big part of being

(10:50):
good at that job is figuring out what's actually needed
and what the experiences of the people you serve.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
So he just sits around. He walked around the stadium
and just sat in random seats and stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
He spent like two hours, he said, in the stadium,
going to different areas and looking at different Yeah, just
trying to.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Get I wanted people sit there. I wonder how long
he sat. Was that off the record, how long he
sat in a seacore? I would be off the record
on the record stuff, I'd be oh, man, yeah, I know,
a chair.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
That's fine to say. I think that's fine to say.
He's not. It's but I think because I think.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
But you know what I mean, if you were in
the stadium and you went and sat in a chair, like,
how long would it take you? Right, you need to
get a vision. Go just like a minute maybe if
that that's it. You sit down in a chair and
you can envision like what the fan needs to see.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, you can envision how comfortable it is the sight lines,
you know, different. I just wouldn't know how long. I
feel like fifteen minutes. I'd have to just you know,
I don't know definitely how many seats he sat it,
but he was around the stadium. He was, you know,
looking in a different area, you know, he was What
about the Troughs? Was that off the record? I didn't
bring it up. I wanted to want to. I wanted
to be my first question.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Geez, that's why we have to get him on the show.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, yeah, if we do. If we do that, we
asked about Troughs for sure, for sure, maybe we can
get his number from Shehan.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
Matt See can I get it go Green and go
white from you too? It's game week, baby, Mmm couch
won't yeah, go green?

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Couch?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Mm hm, go white go Wait? All right, so Scotty Green,
he's not a fan, he can't be a fan. Scotty
Green's al Camino. What child season stat line would you
pick responsible for twenty five touchdowns or five interceptions?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Wow? I mean I think he'll go over five interceptions. Yeah,
I mean tomorrow. No, not tomorrow. Yeah. So if you
if you had to pick one and it was safe
for five interceptions, it's pretty I mean, you can have
a really good year and you're you could have seven
touchdowns five interceptions, but he could have thirty touchdowns and
eight interceptions. It's a great year. Yeah, but it's just
five interceptions are pretty low for those interceptions. Yeah. Yes,

(12:48):
five interceptions are one week that's a problem. But five
interceptions for the year, you'd have to say that's the
more likely, just because that's a hard number not to hit.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Steve next when and how will we will be? No
if MSU's offensive and defense of lines are top half
Big ten.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Caliber by Nebraska, I mean you might know sooner. The
problem College, right, Boston College, you get a great feel
and you know, and I also think you know USC
you'll get a good feel. The thing that still happens
early in the season, though, is certain teams you can
think are good and then they turn out to be crap.
Certain sometimes it's the reverse of that. It may wind

(13:24):
up that, you know, Boston College is really good in
the trenches, Michigan State plays well against them, and that
turns out to be a telling game. But we won't
know it exactly hundred percent until Boston College plays more teams,
till Michigan State plays more teams. But you will by
the time they go to Nebraska, you will have a
great feel. I think max up next.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I know that this has been discussed ad nauseam, but
what should I expect and watch for at the MSU
game on Friday. I think it's it's the push, It's
the protection, It's the stadium upgrades, state well stateium upgrades too. Yeah,
I mean that you know those are I was promised fireworks.

(14:02):
It's the the execution, I think is what I'm looking for.
And obviously it is the first game of the year.
There will be things that aren't great, But at some
point in the year or at some point in the game,
I should say, do they get into a rhythm? Are
there three or four possessions in a row where you go, okay,
that that looks like something, And and that's what I'm
what I'm looking for quite a bit. Jebediah, what's more

(14:24):
likely MSU football has a surprising good season, say eight
wins or MSU basketball has a surprising down season.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
It's it's well, I mean, yeah, it's hard to get
what you're gonna say. Yeah, I mean eight wins is
not an unbelievable number, Like eight wins is reachable in
a good year, and it's not like they've made the playoff,
you know what I mean. So, like, I think it's
probably more surprise, more likely they get the eight wins.
The MSU basketball is a down season. If you start
talking about ten wins in playoff, then that's a little different. Jebediah.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Who leads ms YOU football in rushing tds this year?
And how many do they get? My gut is frasier
with seven?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, Makai Fraser, I you know, I tend to think
he's and Jonathan Smith has said this probably their most
complete back coming into the season. You know, if Tullus
is the guy on the goal line or or how
that looks, I don't know, but yeah, I would guess.
I think Fraser in seven is probably not a bad guess.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Kurt was newskey plan on investing no less than six
hours a week with couching the rube. How in the
hell can she Han get a one on one with
Jay Batt and you subtle for the Western Michigan Guy
MSU thirty eight Western ten and for money Bag Thursday.
Take Jay Batt doing a one on one with someone
like she Han, who's more so fan media in addition

(15:45):
to his sit down with traditional media is awesome.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, a couple things on this because I haven't asked
about this from a number of people. One, Uh, good
work by shee Han, who grinds his butt off, does
that show five days a week, has built a good audience,
good at what he does. He is fan meati. It
doesn't hide from that. He's an absolute fan, but he
but he relates to people and people enjoy what he
does and and and I have would I hold no

(16:09):
ill will or competition towards that. And I think from
MSU standpoint, it shows a little something in terms of
understanding audience size and and and I'm not talking about
us specifically, but you know a lot of times traditionally
and I don't know if he was on Ebling show
or not, but that that that first interview goes to
like Ebling, right, the story and the and then they

(16:31):
go to she Han story. They go to Sheahan this time,
and and that sort of shows you know, she Hand's
got an audience, right, and and then you know there
are I'm certainly not going to complain about it for
a couple of reasons. One, I couldn't do that. I
still couldn't have Jay Batt on now because I was
part of that roundtable. It was great. I thought Jay
Batt was good. I wrote a column on it today.

(16:52):
But I would still need to sit down with him
one on one and do a piece for the LSJ
before I could have him on the show. It's just
the deal I have. I mean, it's it's it is
Jay comes before this podcast. Yeah, I'm sorry, you know
this if this if the salaries were Robin Hook. Yeah.
So there's that, and then there's you know, and I
get lots of they give me, you know, they I
just had an interview with sitting down with Jonathan Smith.

(17:14):
That that I got that I don't a lot not
a lot of a lot of other people got that
in it. And they give me lots of stuff over there,
and you know, there's you know, there's a lot of
stuff they have to deal with a lot of people
want things, the political climate of that, who do you
give it to? That sort of stuff. I think she
Han was a fine choice. He has a good audience,
works his butt off, does things. Not a bad choice.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
People are viewing it as like, well she had like
but he has a lot of viewers and he talks
to Michigan State. I mean, if you're Jay Batt, you
want to go on his podcast that he's doing right.
He is going to be an interview that you're going
to want to do right because the questions are going
to be catered towards you. He's not going to be
anything outlandish or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
And he's going to reach the people you're trying to reach, right,
And that's that's an important thing. So I think that's
something they noticed.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And yeah, like she had half asses it, like we
do you know that's true? Yeah, yeah, money bag. Have
you heard anything about the rumor of a Penn State
MSU hockey game.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
At Beaver Stadium? I saw the tweet reached out to
Nate bought with you know, there was a tweet from
hold On. It was because I retweeted it. It was yeah,
not there we go Jess Myers and Charlie Walters. Anyway,

(18:29):
The Pioneer Press expect announcement later this week. MSU hockey
at Penn State outdoor game February first. Had heard some rumors.
Have nothing official, so we'll see, but that that is
the talking point. I do not know if that's happening
or not, but it is being reported.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Money bag who scores the first touchdown for MSU on Friday?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I think it'll be a running play probably who knows knows.
I'm just guessing, but you know, a running back breaks
for you give mackay Frey. We'll go back to that,
all right, Munfield Keg. I've got two lists, marsh and Chiles.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Anytime TD parlay at plus six oh one, Tayo Tolliver
has the best TD odds. But I feel like that
move is the books trying to bait people thoughts.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
There are some opportunities out there if you're into this
sort of thing with like TD props with Michigan State,
if it winds up being a game where they score
forty points and you wind up with like six seven
touchdowns and you can get like, you know, you can
get combinations on there of marsh and Tullus and and Fraser.
I think Fraser's odds are below Tullis's odds, So you know,

(19:37):
if there are all sorts of combinations on there that
probably work out to parlay similar to six ZH one
with two or three guys. So if that sort of
stuff's fun for you, this is those sort of games
to get in on it too. And if you have
a better feel, then you know, again the books yet
right now the books can be beat in some ways
because they don't know anything, and we don't know anything.

(20:00):
The season hasn't started. There are all these transfers, and
like Tao Tolliver is the name, but if you sort
of read the tea leaves, it sounds like he's maybe
a third down guy and so and.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
If they don't score a touchdown, don't hit him up
on Venmo asking for your money back.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
That's the ass, that's the key. Just don't get angry
if like one leg of your parlay doesn't hit and
you're that like, you know, I have mixed feelings about
having prop bets on college guys. I actually don't mind
it at all, except I don't like the way the
fan base treats he is like nineteen year olds who
don't score.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
That's the thing is, I don't have a problem with
it because when my bets lose, I don't go searching
out for how to get a hold of the athlete,
right right, So I can handle that. Other people can't
agains Sunshine Spartan, what is word being stuck in the
traffic jam or getting a bill you are not expecting
to do.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
That's how big the bill is. That is true.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Getting stuck out of the parking at Live after Live
on Saturday, Like you know, it changed my wife forever
because she was giving people double middle fingers, so bill
that yeah, if it's like eight hundred dollars bill right.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
When you're when when Teres does the double middle fingers,
she that's the first time I've ever seen her do that.
Do you start to fear, like, oh god, I don't
need road rage created with absolutely none because if she's
doing it, there must be a valid reason for it, Okay,
because yeah, my wife is the one that balances me out,
So if she's doing it, then I'm like, I immediately go, damn,
Now I can start doing this shit, Like let's get

(21:23):
in on this because I'm I'm all down with like
I don't I try to abstain from the road rage,
but like I do get really annoyed with people that
are terrible drivers. So yeah, I'm pretty good at being
calling it. Also, when I was a teenager, I flipped
a guy off on on four ninety six and lancing
and he wouldn't buy me and tried to run me
off the road, and and that taught me real quick,

(21:44):
like there were consequences for that, you know. I was like,
oh my god. Yeah, And so I've always had this
like it ain't worth it, even when I'm ticked off.
My wife sometimes gets a little uh yeah, little on
little on edge, and she doesn't I wouldn't say, you know,
the double birds. I haven't seen much from her, but yeah,

(22:04):
well it did.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
It didn't help that there was a Michigan license plate,
so that that brought the wife's other middle fingers, like, yeah,
it was a Michigan vanity plate, I gotcha. So it
was started with one middle finger, and I think she
came up with the other one.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
She was just pissed.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Everybody was just out of their mind in the parking lot.
Anybody with a truck was going over the curb and
cut you in front of people. You know, it's just
everybody loses their mind in those scenarios.

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and like I watched him take his steering wheel and
like try to run me off the road.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
So right then and there, you're just like, Okay, this
is a crazy person. It kind of yeah, because I
wasn't yet I was. He can't double down in that scenario.
You double down in that scenario, some some event is
going to happen, I think, And I'm sixteen at the time,
So I'm not that experienced a driver yet to where
I really felt like I can like handle myself out here.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh man, my voice would change.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Hey manuck you man, Sunshine Spartan, what game do you
have no interest watching this weekend? Mine is Cheat Again
versus New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
There are a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well, unless you got the Lobos plus thirty four and
a hook.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
That's right. I mean, I do want to see what
Michigan's going to look like, you know, freshman quarterback and
all I want to I want to see that. Yeah,
But there are a lot of Middland games that I
have I mean, one thing, when we were doing the
picks with Harry on on Wednesday, there are about six
games that seemed good to really discuss, maybe seven or
eight total, but we went through six and it was

(24:04):
easy to find them. But beyond that, there's a lot
of games you're just kind of like, yeah, and there
are big ten teams you're curious about how they do
and and you'll pay attention to to some degree. But
it's also Premier league season, so you know, football still
got to know it's place. It's you know, in US Open,
in US Open, Yeah, USO went tennis. Like watching Ben
Shelton last night and some of the match I mean,
it's some incredible matches.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I watched Coco the other night, even though that match
took forever.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I uh okay, just a little bit of a if
you're listening to this before Thursday night, I do like
Cocoa Golf to lose as a heavy favorite, like the underdog.
The underdog is like plus five hundred dish. Don't hate
a little sprinkle on that. I'm vet Vuchik or Vetchik,
whatever her name is. I watched her play the other day.
I like, are you so anti USA?

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Man?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I'm not. Golf is just vulnerable, and especially on a
hardcore I just don't. I don't think she's Her brand
is best. She's the Chaliite Calhoun of women's tennis. Her
brand is her brand is better than her ability. What
a comp Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
Jarrett Graham, did you ask Jay bad about the troughs
at the stadium?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Are they safe? Also?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
What is an acceptable amount of threes to take in
an open gym if you keep missing them? M?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, depends If you're on Graham's team, you better not.
It depends on the crew you're with, right, because if
you're playing with a group, you always play with I
play with a group Sunday mornings that like last week,
I had a game where I got insanely hot and
it was a lot of fun and oh my god,
it was like turning back the clock. And they know that,
they know that price that wasn't your first hot take.
It should have been. I thought about it. They know

(25:35):
that's in me, so okay. So in other words, if
I have a game where I'm missing, they're still worried
about leaving me open and things like that, like if
you're playing with new people, and uh, sometimes you gotta
you know, it's you gotta know your limits. You gotta
you gotta go get to the hole, see something drop, Yeah,
you gotta. I will say this too, though, depends on

(25:56):
your age and who you're playing with. I was playing
an outdoor pickup game with wind and Tough Rims over
in East Lansing. Uh maybe around a little after the
pandemic made just before I can't remember Rextro. It was there.
Windsor was watching his boys came out everything and they
they combined us with a group because we needed the
court and there was a group of younger guys playing

(26:18):
and I'm missing everything, missing long shot everything. I mean,
it's just that the wind is bad. I played in
a little bit. The rims were tough. If we said
with somebody, please guard somebody. And one of these kids
that didn't know me from anybody basically said, you know,
what are you doing taking all these shots and shooting?
And I looked at him and I'm like, I'm a
forty year old white dude out here playing with you.
I got to be able to do something right if

(26:39):
you see me, Understand, I have some I'm not just
out here for my health. I'm out here because I
can freaking shoot right, like understand. And sometimes you just
have to put people in their place and let them know,
like come on, like the resons this kid, I was sixteen,
That's what I thought. Come on, man, Jesus gets a
ma about bad boys basket as at the day. That's right.

(27:00):
So the answer to the question is it depends on
the group you're playing with and how you approach it.
I did not ask Ja about it about the Troughs.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Probably should have, all right, Scott, you when Jay bat
asked you all about the Ford Field game, what responses.
Did you all give on how the fan base feels
about it? Penn State was well attended. Do you think
attendance for Maryland will influence future games there? And from
Ken Chew. So, when Jay bat asked you what you're
hearing from the fans, did you tell about the issue

(27:28):
of the state police blocking the entrances to campus on
football game days.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
That's a pretty specifical one, Cannon, And so what I
would ask is, if that is something that happens this
Friday and is an issue, and it's still an issue,
let's let me let me address that separately. It handled
before tomorrow. Nay, Yeah, he was. The topic of the
final game against Maryland at Ford Field did come up,

(27:54):
and I think the general thought was that, you know,
it's been fairly positive, but if if you start winning,
people will want that game back at the stadium too.
You know, you're not going to please everybody, you know.
I but he you know, he's curious about it, and
I think, you know, I'll be curious to see where
he goes with the long term. The other thing is,
and something I brought up was the idea that, you know,

(28:18):
if the college football calendar changes, that may be irrelevant anyway.
At some point, I think week zero is going to
become week one to accommodate the playoff, and when that happens,
Thanksgiving will no longer be a part of the equation.
The students will still be on campus the week before,
and then you're probably much more likely to have a
campus game. Right.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
It just changes everything, Scott, You do you think that
Jay Batt feels the unique nature of MSU in terms
of being a school that is not just a football
school but also a basketball school.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
I don't know. I mean, there was obviously appeal. It's
a school that I think has some advantages that Georgia
Tech doesn't. I mean, Georgia Tech has some rich basketball history,
but it's a football school and a place he felt
like he coud gets certain things done. That's why he
made the move, right Otherwise, you don't, and I think
that is I think I know is somebody who covers

(29:08):
both teams that I really enjoy that. I enjoy the
fan base, their ability to move from one to the other.
Do I think it helps either program? It probably hurts
football in some capacity sometimes, But like and I'm sure
is an athletic director, there are parts of that that
you really enjoy that people are as fired up for
basketball as anything else, but just as fired up for football.
I have no idea though, you know, I even talked

(29:30):
to him about it at all. It's the American way,
except America has gotten soft. It's got you.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Is the fifth game for a red shirt that Jonathan
another what the fuck sentence?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Is this? All right? Okay? Jonathan Smith? Sorry, must have
done that? Okay?

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Is the fifth game for a red shirt that Jonathan
Smith mentioned mentioned the bowl game if a team gets
to a bowl.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Game, yes, well, and it's also I think the conference
championship game, I think is the other thing component of this.
So that's what I was trying to figure out. The
My understanding is what's changed is that does not kind
of against you. So it used to be one of
the challenges of the you were allowed to play four
games and still red shirt as a freshman was do

(30:12):
you play the last four of the regular season or
four in the regular season? But what if your team
makes a bowl game or it's an important game and
you can't be a part of that. I think they've
taken that away. I think it's the four The limit
is the regular season. I'm not sure the five Like,
if you're in a conference championship and bowl game, if
you can, I don't think you can play in both.
But I think I think to some degree you can
play in the postseason. And that's what he's talking.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
About Alan Pearlstein. Next, it appears that the coaching staff
has been very impressed with backup quarterback Alesso Millovella vec
poor perfect nailed it, milove If Child struggles, how long
would the coaches wait until they put in Alessio.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, it would have to be just these guys' nicknames. Yeah,
you can't come in with that last name. Jesus, here's
this guy nineteen eighty eight Russia. We can't. We can't
do that. That's too much, too much the uh. Anyway,
I do think, like just from the conversations this week

(31:12):
in the interviews with say Brian Lindgren, the coordinator, I mean,
they have no plans right now to even do like
a one or two series is with Alessio. It is
it is aiden Child's game now. If it's a blowout
or whatever, you'll see Alesio. But they're not going to
do what they did with Chiles at Ork and State
as a freshman. So but so it would have to be.
It would be such a move, it would rock the team.

(31:33):
He's a captain, he's a quarterback, he's the future that
like he would have to struggle to levels that in
multiple weeks. It was like, wait a second, what and
before they made such a move?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
PZ Next has a Wednesday guest who's brought on to
talk about a program ever said anything remotely negative about it? Also, No,
that's not who Carle ray Jepson is, rube, not even close.
And from John Howard, how did the rube think that
Carl Ray Jepson was Jeanette McCurdy. He seems so confident too.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
I don't know either of them.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Who's Jeanette mccurney. I thought Carli Ray Jebson dated Andre
Drummond for a minute. I don't know, not even close
by bad Are they two white chicks?

Speaker 1 (32:13):
What the fuck? Yeah? I never I've never heard of
either of them.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
So, by the way, I think we've had, didn't we
have one guest? They kind of steered us, right, I'm
trying to think of some guest on a Wednesday before
a football It gave us.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Some negative stuff. Yeah, we had a couple. It's it's
been rare. Certainly not document on Iowa. Oh god no,
certainly not not Robin hook on Western. But yeah, we'll
work on that. Maybe that can be our thing.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Let's try guy a someone, Yeah, someone pissed someone.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I don't know. I have to go back in the archives.
I do think that should be our thing. We should
go find the most negative person we can find about
the school that who's the Matt See of Boston College?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
There we go, Yeah, gash Is Winston, pop quiz who
dated Andre Drummond? Carlie ray Jepson or I Carley? Holy shit,
I am so sorry. What is I Carly? I I'm
not even trying to be cool, like I know, I
thought Carly ray Jepson was to call me maybe chick
is that? That's must be Jeanette McCurdy And the fact
that people are really angry. Really, it's really shocking me here.

(33:14):
I'm so sorry. I've never heard of either one of
these people. Yeah, I thought I did, all right, gashes Winston.
In your interactions with Coach Smith, do you find find
him to have a personality or is he actually a robot?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, he has a personality. He's just not like this
great orator. You know, that's not his his strength. He
has a personalit. I mean he speaks like Yoda. I
mean the way the sentences end, and sometimes I find
that entertaining. Uh No, he has a personality. He absolutely
does it. It's a it's a dad personality, Dad vibes personality.
But it's not just gregarious personality. But he absolutely has
a personality. Jason, do you think that Bill Beakman?

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's Jonathan Smith right there, Dan Graff? Without looking it up,
who was president last time MSU beat Ohio stayed in football?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Let me give you some off. No, I don't need
to look it up. Oh, it would be Barack Obama. Right,
it's twenty fifteen, so right, I mean that was the
whole I don't think they've unless I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
it's Barack Obama. Barack Obama. It's gone poorly for a
decade now for Michigan State. So yeah, the Obama administration
has been a while.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Mike Maroth of Southern Maine. Next, and an effort to
be more knowledgeable sports Gambler, I've listened to one thousand
hours of podcasts. Please rank the following Andy and Ari
on three, Josh Pate, Cover three, the Bunch Formation, the audible,
solid verbal, and feel free to add any you listen
to that I didn't list You.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Know, I'll sometimes watch a little Josh Pate, but.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
I really don't about to say I recognize Pate and
Cover three the other day.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I don't listen to Andy and Art. I mean, I
know them. Everyone should watch a clip. But I really
don't listen to soccer. That's football, Oh college football. These
are all like college football. I don't I don't really
listen to any of those from a college football standpoint. Uh,
gambling standpoint, there's uh most of my I listened to
some soccer and tennis gambling podcasts, and in football there

(35:10):
are you know, a few here and there that, but I.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Don't some good ones on vs. Those guys in Vegas
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
If I'm really interested in the game, I go find it,
or I go listen to guys I trust. I used
to listen to Against all Odds, with With With with
Harry and cousin says Simons screwed him over. And I
still listen to Bill Simmons sometimes and in those ways,
and and and some of the ringer gambling feed stuff
and there there's some other things out there, but yeah,
I don't I'm not saying any of those aren't really good.

(35:39):
If you find somebody you like, Like there are people
I like in the soccer and tennis world, and there
are some that have gone away that I like before.
But like that, you know, you stick with. There's nothing
wrong if if somebody's giving you good insight. And the
big thing I would say, do you want people are
up front about their wins and losses, don't try to
make excuses for everything. I mean, and you want people

(36:00):
whose excuses are the best part of a gambling There's
some part of the excuse, But what I mean is
you want people up front like they didn't have a
good week, you know they didn't, you know, this is
their their totals for the year. And then you want
people who don't sound so confident that there's just no
recourse when they lose.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
The idea is like you can't if somebody gives you,
you know, thirty picks, that's that's too many. That's you know,
like you want somebody who's you.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Can say that about pretty much anything though, yes, gambling podcast, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
You want somebody who just take it as advice, but
doesn't do they make fun of themselves? Yes?

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah, right, somebody can make fun of themselves.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I trust them. Somebody who understands that winning and gambling
is like fifty five percent. That's what you need. People
who fifty three percent? Yeah, people who promise more than that.
You want to stay away from.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Original dark Mantonio, I don't understand gambling much. So is
it worthwhile to bet that Michigan makes the college football
playoff and Michigan basketball wins the Big Ten title? Whether
single or partly? I would It would depend on the
juice on that. You know, Michigan to make the playoff
is definitely plus money, I believe. I love how it

(37:10):
starts with I don't understand gambling much, and then you
just throw some gambling terms out.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah I'm sorry. Yeah, it wouldn't be a bad play.
Here's where it would be worth doing. If it improves
your oop. Sorry that was my email, just came through
all turning this stuff. If it improves your enjoyment of
the experience and you have a little something at the end,
like Michigan basketball, I think it's gonna be pretty good
in Michigan football. If the quarterback situation. There's no team

(37:35):
in the conference you say they don't have any chance
against its pretty season program. I don't hate it as
a parlay. I don't hate it separately. I probably wouldn't
take it in football, but it improves your enjoyment, especially
if you're a fan of the team. I don't see
any reason with doing both the parlay and single.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Original unscripted off the top of your head, nobody holding
you to it. Name top five finishes for Big Ten
Football and ten men's best man.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
That's I mean basketball, We're just too far out. I can't.
I can't even would you rather say go Green Go? Wait? No,
I wouldn't do that, but I'll give you In football,
I'm you know, and this is not looking in everybody's schedule,
but I think you know, if it was Ohio State,
Penn State, Oregon, you know, Michigan's the wild card. I
really don't know. I really don't think playing a freshman

(38:24):
quarterback is usually very smart if you have big time
goals for the rest of your roster. And maybe Bryce
Underwood is just that dude, and there are guys who
you know are exceptions, but I tend to think that
will make them vulnerable to a third loss, which probably

(38:46):
keeps them out of the playoff. So that doesn't mean
they won't be top five. But Illinois is one that
I kind of like. Washington's one. I kind of like
up there as well, so it could be you know
a lot. We'll go either way.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Rich see your rain Next, what is the deal with
the Fort Myers basketball attorney? I put in for tickets
as soon as it was announced. I live in driving distance,
so I didn't need the full travel package, just the tickets.
I was denied and the email said I could buy
them with the rest of the public when available if
it's not sold out. Shouldn't it an alum be treated
better than this? Or is it because I'm not spending

(39:22):
as much as a traveler.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
It's kind of weird. I don't get that. I mean,
I understand there's you know, they come with the package,
but yeah, I mean, I guess it's just one of
those things when they go on sale for the public.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
But maybe they can't be sold separately. Maybe there are
a lot of the tickets that have to go with
the packages and it does break the package up. Then
you have this other I don't know, they could give
the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
But yeah, it seems like if you are an alum
or a donor and you are local to that area,
there should be something for you for these sort of events.
And that's not great that there's.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Not yet called Jim Hayos, we'll get those for you.
Rich so many promises of interview, an interview with Jay,
Jeff Smoker, et cetera, but nothing has materialized as of yet.
WTF Couch, can you send some of your LSJ goons
to strong arm them? And is sitting down with you
just kidding? Would love to see these stories though, appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah, well, the Jay bat column, I mean for now
that I'll suffice. At some point I'd like to do
more on him, you know. And although some of the
issues he answered the questions that I really had, and
I think the biggest things for Michigan State are you know,
part of it. I mean, there's stuff with Spartan Stadium,
and there's game experience and all that stuff, but it's
nil beyond revenue sharing. It's it's are the funds going

(40:35):
to be there? And then what does that look like?
What are they willing to do? You know, you look
at the Adidas deal with Tennessee. Those players are going
to be just funneled cash at the University of Tennessee.
How does Michigan State compete with that? And and Jay
Batt says they're going to go be above board and
they're going to work on, you know, deals with their
with playfly and their multi media rights partners. And maybe

(40:56):
that's you can do above board and do stuff there
that really helps is major money. I don't know. I
tend to doubt that, you know, when you talk about
legitimate and il I do not think most college football
players have all that much of a market. So I
am very curious to see what it looks like next year,
not just for Michigan State, for a lot of people.

(41:18):
Will there be federal legislation in time, state laws will
be in place a lot of places now federal legislation
can supersede that. But it'll be interesting because the stuff
like with Bryce Underwood that was agreed to before the
House settlement terms and the revenue sharing began July first.
In theory, that can't exist next year. And if it does,
and you know, seven or eight programs are playing in

(41:40):
that sandbox in Michigan State is not then it's hard
to keep up. So I'm very curious to see what happened.
He answered that he answered what his priorities, how he
sees that going to some degree. I mean, he's he's hoped,
he's somebody who's hopeful for federal legislation. So that part
of the story I thought I got answered in this
this this setting.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Rich, what is the obsession with the Hoff with you two?
I couldn't stand him in the eighties and really can't
stand him now, especially when he destroys songs like The Passenger.
It's criminal. I'd much rather listen to the collected works
of Chad Lads on a constant loop. Think about it.
Give me some Lats while you google whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
I'm dreaming.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I've got to another war.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Sure you want that Rich again?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Sure you want that Rich? Yeah? Some off?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean Lats.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
It's incredible. Haff though incredible.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
I switch it up with Lats every once in a while.
Glenn Smith, why would you hate Haff in the eighties?

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Though?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
That's like when he was at his peak night Rider, Like,
I can understand ruining your favorite song.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Well, the songs are what some people don't like.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
I get that, But he said he's hated him since
the eighties.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Of Like, what I never understood about Hoff though, is
he was so big in German and not big here, Like.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
That was the whole bit. I'm big in Germany. Yeah,
it's amazing. We could never figure it out, no, right, yeah, yeah,
because didn't he go over there when the wall, like
the Berlin Wall was being torn down, right, and so
everybody associated him in Germany over there, like I would
happily like their trump. I would love to be big anywhere,
just big in Germany.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Be fun. I'd go live in Germany if I was
big in Germany, wouldn't you? I'd visit. If you were
big there, you'd visit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, I don't want to be big somewhere where you
know all the time. That's when you kind of like
swoop in there, hang out for a little bit, and
get out if.

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Speaker 3 (44:24):
Glenn Smith. Next, do you have any more information on
why Dane Fife was dismissed as assistant coach at Indiana University.
Fife recently posted that he struggled with laziness and eptness
and yes, men while there, do you know any specifics
about what he said?

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Thanks? I don't. I haven't talked to him about it
in a while, I mean right after it. We chatted
back and forth briefly on text and you know, but
not the details of it. I know it, just it
wasn't a good fit. And I don't know the other
side of it, you know, So it's not really fair
entirely there.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Maddie b Izzo said he never wanted to be without
a point guard. Again, smart, So why are we playing
it so dangerously with center recruiting. He's clearly not willing
to spend the needed money in the portal for a
top center. So not having anyone but one guy after
this year is dangerous.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Well, I mean if the guy they have, if they don't,
So let's say they land a top notch freshman at center,
and let's say Jesse McCulloch turns out to be a
guy that can lean on at center, You're still going
to have to go out and get somebody, but they'll
then have the top notch. Essentially, if you have a
top notch freshman, you have a center you really can count.
And I think the thing about the portal is it

(45:35):
happens late, right, it happens after the season, so you
have time to evaluate what you have, who you sign,
and who you have on your own roster. I don't
think it's that he's not willing to spend nother center.
I think it's there are a couple things in play.
One men's basketball is only going to have in the
REPS share about three and a half million total. So
some places, you know, the idea of the two million

(45:56):
dollars center, most of which did not work out for
those who you got to get the right guy and
they got to really be If you're gonna make two
million in basketball going forward, you better be you better
be a serious dude. I'm talking not just as a player,
but chemistry everything.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
I'm curious to see how a lot of these SEC
schools have been spending big go about this now that
football and the REV share is there. It's not that
there won't be some outside money. Kentucky will work on it.
It's I'm not saying there won't be ways around some
of this, but I think the money is going to
go down significantly in the SEC.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Matty b Jay Batt is making changes in weeks that
have been asked, asked for by fans for years. Food tailgaming,
stadium environment. What the hell was the hold up from
the previous ads listening to your customers?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
What a concept? Well, I think that the Munfield thing
you know was is certainly a quick response. I think,
you know, one of the things that that Jay Batt
seems to do well is he seems to be decisive
and when when he has when there's an idea he
wants to do. But I also don't know what was
in place entirely or in the works I should say

(47:03):
before him too, So I don't know if all of
these are completely him, but yeah, I know it's there
are things that the Michigan State fans have wanted that
he seems to be listening to, and I think that's
a good thing. Dang it, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Next, how has jay Batt's approach struck you as different
than Haller's thus far?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I think there's a little bit more of a decisiveness.
But Haller had a lot of the same priorities, right
he did.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Did Haller go around Spartan Stadium and sit in the
seats and.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Heller care about all that stuff? Yeah? I mean I
don't know that. I mean, obviously there were issues with
Spartan Stadium that hadn't gotten done yet, but some things
that were in the works that were in converse. I mean,
Haller was not an idiot, you know, like the way
he gets painted on here sometimes. And the thing is
when it comes to nil and money beyond the rev share,

(47:50):
Haller and Jay Batt seem to have a lot of
the same approach. Now, whether the money raised will be
different under j Bat, but their priorities and the way
they see that philosophically and ethically seems to be pretty
similar to me. Now, I think there is a decisiveness
to Jay Batt. I think he's been in this role before.
He's been in this role at a school during this
era and had some success, and so I think there's

(48:13):
there's reason to believe he he can thread the need
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Dang it, Bobby, what is the next day? What is
the best style of pizza? Detroit, Chicago, New York or
New Haven? Well, Chicago's gotta be last. You don't like
Chicago at all?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Those stinks. I like Chicago, but here and there the
Chicago garbage. I do love a New York slice. My goodness,
what about New Haven? What's up with that? I need
a slice from New Haven? I don't know what that is.
I once got caught in New York by the other
writers because I walked around the I said I'm gonna

(48:49):
get a slice here and about pizza. Okay, yeah, and
then I had yeah, sorry, but I stopped at three
different places for three different slices. I just couldn't like.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Oh, I gotta try this, I gotta try this fantastic
without weed.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
That's the impressive part. Yea, I love pizza. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (49:22):
All right, last one from dang It, Bobby. Does Jonathan
Smith strike you as more confident heading into this season
than last?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
I think he's more sure of what he has. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know if he's more or less.
I think he was confident in his abilities. But how
could you not be more confident than last year?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Though?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah? He absolutely he knows. He knows the school, he
knows the landscape, he knows, uh, you know how much
he hates Michigan. Yeah, and he knows his roster. And
that's a big, big thing.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Some dude Couch or Jason please raise your right hand
and promised to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Oh, this is bringing back bad memories.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Number one was Mark D'Antonio correct when he declared football
to be a game of inches, that each close game
is decided by the outcome of very few plays. Are
you doing these one by one? You want me just
read you read them all the way?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Two, If one team knows, perhaps from an elaborate signed
stealing scheme, what play the other team is going to
run before they run it, would this be considered an advantage?
And three, so at even once per game, would you
say that this practice would have a very high chance
of determining who wins and loses a close game?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And four?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Furthermore, do you think a team that goes ten to
two will be able to recruit better than a team
that goes seven and five and five? Therefore, the benefits
of the cheating come in layers that build upon each other. Yes,
some dude Esquire rests his case.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
This is as well put as you know. I've tried
to put it this way to people have asked me
about the Michigan sign stealing scandal, or.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Try to put it that way with five different points.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, but I think this is will It's basically the
idea that it does feed on it Success feeds on itself.
So if you cheat to some degree to get a
small advantage, and it leads to more success, which leads
to more success. That's the problem with the argument that
they did not have Connor stallions for those final games
when they won a national title. And that's true, and
they might have won it without and they were a really,

(51:19):
really good football team. But this is the problem with cheating,
as this is why it gave you an advantage, and
this is why people will forever see that team as tainted.
I'm not talking about Michigan.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
That's the taint Andrew Gotier. How impactful is the punishment
on Michigan actually going to be, I'll beat a dead
horse and say it. It'll have virtually no impact except
to convey to boosters that they can try and buy
a title if they have the bank roll for it.
Yet Ohio State vacated double digit wins for tattoos.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, I don't think they're going to feel it at all.
I mean, there may be little area where they feel it,
and they'll probably have to cut three revenue sports, so
you know, there goes mens gymnastics. But not for kidding.
But yeah, I don't think they'll feel it a whole lot.
I just I think this was a the NCAA being toothless,
and that's that's what it is. Because the thing is
the NCAA said it could have been worse and then
didn't didn't do what it said it could have done.

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And I think that's that's probably the the end of
the NCAA taking being taken seriously.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Andrew Gotia, I know this isn't an interview or a
guest driven show, but you guys do have guests often enough.
Why not try and get the likes of Izzo, Smith,
j Batt, et cetera. Every once in a while, maybe
even a monthly, very special episode. On this very special
episode of Crushing the Roob, we got Yoda slash than Smith,

(52:45):
Cram interviews Jbett. I don't know, we'll see, Yeah, Andrew
riffing on my very special episode idea, maybe try something
like does the Blue Wall Really Exist? Episode and get
woe Joe a freak editor and maybe MSU fancy this
I like to discuss or share their perspective. I think

(53:06):
these are gold summer ideas. They can get some serious.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Views and I like it in September and October too.
I think this is a good one.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
You can get Woj on the show.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I think it would be interesting. I'll ask Woj sometime
next time I'm out with him if you would be
willing to be a legend.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I remember listening to that guy in high school, Stony
and Wojo.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Because obviously you're not gonna have wojoh on and not
ask him about the Blue Wall, right, So like he'd
have to be will.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yeah, But he seems like a funny guy, so I
don't think you would take it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Like Woj is one of those guys like if you're
you're out to a beer with him, like just a good, good, great,
great dude.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I listened to him on ninety seven one, Here and There.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
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Speaker 3 (53:45):
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you most excited for? Apple cider donuts, pumpkin spice donuts,
or caramel apple bismarcks.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Okay, so here's the thing. The pumpkin spice donut. I
am a sucker for I love just the plane fall
donut I love, I love like just the buttermilk plane
type donut. But the apple cider don'ts fan. But the
pumpkin spice donuts to me that they do at Groovy
Donuts are just I associate that with fall. And it's

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Groovy Donuts season, and this is this is yeah, so yeah,
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Speaker 3 (54:47):
And the last one from Andrew Graham, how did you
develop the sense of your confidence you have in your
athletic abilities. I love how borderline arrogant you sound when
you talk about athletic prime and your hoop game and
your hypothetical if I had been twenty pounds later, I
could have played at X level, et cetera. I just
figured that's your bit, you know, it.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Is a bit mostly. I mean it comes from like
having a moment. It's like and it sounds really real too. Yeah.
But if you have a moment where you you do
well at a higher level, and yet you haven't really
committed yourself to that level, you think if I had
just this, I could play at that level all the time.
It's like, you know, when I take on Grant Long
in a three on three tournament and I know how
to play him. It's it's when you know Willie Veasley

(55:28):
who played at or played at Butler on those teams,
it's taking him on. He was fifteen. I was twenty three.
But it's like, you have these moments where you're playing
really well and you or you have some affirmation from
another hours eight years older than that dude I was.
He was fifteen. Couldn't even drive, yeah, but you could dunk,
that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Chris East like, why doesn't college basketball have the same
rule as football and allowing players to play a certain
amount of games before red shirty.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, I wish they did, and I wish it was
more throughout the season. I mean, you have a ruined
basketball where you can't just save somebody for the postseason,
so to speak. But I wish it was like you
can play as a true freshman up to ten games
until red shirt. Again, we'll get to this point where
it's gonna be probably five years of eligibility anyway. But
like you know, there are a lot of guys who

(56:15):
come in just at you know, just at garbage time
or whatever. And so but to me, if you knew
you had ten games with somebody, or may say it
was ten games in the college basketball season with a
freshman and that was it, you could still feel like
you'd get him in a little bit of garbage time,
some games that were out of hand here and there
in a bigger role, you could really see where that went.
And then you could also make a decision at some

(56:37):
point late in the year that if you were almost
out of those is this somebody that we're gonna need
in the postseason or not. I think it would be
a great way of helping guys develop. It would hurt nobody.
I don't understand it. Chris Eastlick.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Jonathan Smith seems much more comfortable and upbeat this preseason.
Do you get the feeling that's more to do with
the talent he feels he has, or that he's finally
settled in east Land sing or both.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah. I think it's it's it's it's all of it.
You know, you know the town. I mean when I
had when I sat down with him a year ago,
right before the season, and we're just shooting the ship
after the interview, like he was asking me, like places
he could go out to dinner, take his wife out,
things like that in the Lancing area front forty three.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Day you.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Anyway, I'm sure donus t J. I mean, he was
still unfamiliar enough that he was like looking for you know.
I mean, I'm not saying we all need recommendations and
I'm still in this town. If I hear I didn't
know about Babe's Corner. You know about Babes's Corner and Lancing.
I don't mean to know a non sponsor, but the
lobster rolls of Babes'ess Corner, Holy shit, I'm telling you
right now, it's incredible, incredible. So anyway, I learned about
things all the time around here. But I think he

(57:49):
just he knows the place his family's in a better place.
But I think he also knows he has a roster
he thinks he can compete a little more with. And
I think they were worried about some things last year.
I think they knew some things had to go right
last year. And that's a little bit of a scary
place to be as a coach.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Next one from Easlick Smith isn't a guy to run
it up. But do you think he'll be more motivated
to prove a point more than normal if he can
due to the dismal end to last year.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I don't imagine he'd do that. I don't think that's
in his character. I do think he'd like it to
look really good for three and a half quarters. I
just can't imagine them. And the other thing is when
you bring in backups. I think it's fair to let
backups run the offense. I don't if you're gonna bring
a backup quarterback and you gotta let the guy throw.
And I think all coaches understand that that's not running
up the score. But I don't think that's in his

(58:35):
nature to do.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Blist out two next Rube, What is your ideal game
day meal spread? Oh man, my wife definitely hooks it
up nice. Definitely, you want to go veggie. We have
a veggie platter that you definitely want. If you're gonna
sit there and watch games for eight, nine, ten hours
a day, you want to have some sort of element
of healthy and you know, and I actually enjoy some veggies,

(59:00):
dip and stuff like that. The wings from Costco. I
tell everybody it's the only thing, you know, you hate
when people tell you to try this, try that, But
like it's the only thing I ever tell people. Costco's
food is at a different level. And I don't know why,
but their chicken wings are freaking huge. They're great in
the air fryer. They're amazing, absolutely amazing. Some sliders we have.

(59:20):
My wife does these once with the Hawaii buns. Those
the Hawaiian bun roll buns that she makes little slider
sandwiches too good, A big I'm telling we have well,
oh my god, I know my wife rules, but I'm
saying it's usually it's either me or someone will come
over or something. So it's like three of us and
then we end up having this smortous board of food.

(59:42):
So definitely, yeah, keep the day going, Yeah, blist out,
tune in next couch. Data has grown to be such
a core part of sports reporting, yet it doesn't seem
to be an important theme in your columns. Why is that?
Isn't an intentional zag? I don't mind, just curious.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I mean I use a lot more than I used
to a lot more advanced data, especially in basketball. And
you know, different subscriptions I have, you know, not just
the Ken palms, like the her hoops dot com or
her stats dot com for women's basketball, the you know
there's Torvick. There's all sorts of stuff. I use a
lot more her Hoops, her h R Hoops, her hoops

(01:00:19):
stats dot com at that is it's a good, good
analyticals site for women's college basketball, and you know there's
even in football. There's some stuff. But I also number one,
when I'm writing like quick takes, don't have a lot
of time to do that, and some of that information
it's not available. And I'm also writing to a general audience.
Like one of the things I try to do and
I'm aware of is that I want my mom and

(01:00:41):
your mom and not that moms don't understand football, but
you get what I'm saying. I'm not writing my wife,
she would have a freaking clue about any of it.
But I'm writing from a mom in some degree, I
want the general audience to understand and enjoy it, and
so I try to write it from that perspective. Doesn't
mean I don't use it, doesn't mean I don't use
it to back up opinions. But in the writing it's
probably less so than some other people, because I'm not

(01:01:03):
writing for this hardcore football or basketball audience is as much.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Chris, what are each of you two most excited about
for this upcoming college football season?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Not talking about this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
No, No, the Bill Belichick era at UNC.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
What do they play Monday versus TCU? Oh man, just
the chaos of it all, twelve team playoff, all that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I mean, I can't wait until this weekend. To me,
it's like that, especially they play Michigan, Sate plays Friday,
Go Green. I'll be up by early afternoon Saturday and
just to turn on the games. You know, groovy don'nut
in my mouth and just yeah, I mean, I just
love that. The excitement of the early part of it.

(01:01:51):
But you know, I think the thing I miss most
about football season when it's gone is the late night games.
It's the late night NBC Sunday night football. It's the
college football late night games. That's where I uh, you know,
that's That's what I'm looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Most, Professor, Does a Big ten team win another national
championship this year?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Well, if Penn State is their best chance, I tend
to think not just I just can't. I can't believe
that's gonna happen with Drew Aller and James Franklin like
I would. I would love it. Why do you have
to throw Drew Aller out for?

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I don't think it's all of the James Franklin, I
mean his record versus Top ten teams, top five teams.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I would love to see a line out there to
bet where you could bet Penn State of the field,
and you probably want get good odds. But I would
take it anyway. I would just I would feel feel okay,
I would take that. I would take that. Would you
take that? I would throw twenty? Do you win one hundred? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I mean, Professor, how many people is too many in
a hotel hot tub? Does that number change if they
are all Midwest based sports writers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Hmmm, uh, well, pends on the size of the hot tub,
so I will. But if you get a eyes of
a hot tub, you can do You can do four
people in a hot tub comfortably without it being sexual,
you know, right, No.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
What's your I mean, yeah, if you have two couples
in there. But I mean if you just got like
four sports writer dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Like so, think about comes human, think about like a
Marriott hot tub. The size of that it's not small's yeah,
probably three. Maybe it's a good question. I get in
and out anyway, So go ahead, bring anybody. Ralph E. J.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Batt making good moves on the stadium and game day.
Bet youa Izzo led that charge and building on some things.
Haller started concession contract with Levy, new video boards, tearing
down Central services, renovating suites. Haller was no dummy. The
job changed well, I don't know how much. I mean,

(01:03:47):
certain things changed, but and have changed. But and he
took over at certainly nil changed and the type of
money going to that change during his tenure. I also
think that the people that he needed to reach for
donations and to really elevate the program financially, he hadn't

(01:04:09):
reached And so whether some of that's on those people too,
and sort of a petulance there, maybe that exists as well.
You know, whether the top donor in athletics for a
long time should have a voice and everything when he
traded for Bradley Beal. That's a whole nother conversation. But

(01:04:30):
ultimately your job is to, I think, be malleable and firm,
right as I think when I wrote in the column day,
you gotta you gotta, you gotta walk with these people something,
but you also gotta you gotta have a backbone on this.
I think it's a tough, tough ask, but I do
think Haller did some things really well. I think I
think j Batt has a great skill set. And so
we'll see where this goes. Spart In eighteen seven to

(01:04:51):
seven zero. How many of us are actually going to
work tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I am nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Why because it's oh that's right, yeah, you actually that
is word. It's actually working for you. I forget that. Thanks,
I'll be up till six seven in the morning work, Oh,
I know, grind and crushing tape like you guys always do.
All right, Spartan. Is it just me or does it
seem like US fans are treating Jay Batt like we
first treated Mel Tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Well, there is an or and this happens all the time,
there is an aura. We don't have enough time for
all of that. The new toy can do no wrong,
godlike figure who's come into Yeah, and that that happens,
and and Mel Tucker early on, and I'll say this too,
Mel didn't get that treatment. Mel had a weird start,
the pandemic was there and all that, So Mel didn't

(01:05:40):
get that treatment initially. It was after the great season
twenty twenty one. I think there's just a lot of hope.
People want to hope. And Jay Batt did a lot
of good things at Georgia Tech, and people seem excited
about him. So and he seems like a bright guy.
So why won't you you think good things are going
to come. I think one of the interesting things he
said in his discussion with Us of the Day is
that Michigan State has the horsepower right in its donor

(01:06:03):
based fan base and all that stuff financially to get
things done and resource wise, and and and saying that
he puts it on him a little bit then to
draw that out of people, to create a place where
you know, you can compete in everything. And but that
was an important thing to put on the record.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Spartan off the record gram how many Hot and Ready's
are you gonna pound? Pound down Friday? Hashtag north star zero.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I would not eat. I gotta be my fittest on Friday.
You know, yeah, there's one slice. There's nothing worse than
like overeating and then going to work and writing it's
the worst. You just sit there like, oh my god, No,
you don't you want to You want to eat sensibly
on the doesn't mean it doesn't mean I want to
have a groovy donut, doesn't mean I want to have
a melting moment ice cream cookie sandwich, doesn't mean I

(01:06:50):
want to have a hot dog. But Jesus, well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
You mind, what's the pizza gonna do to You can't
even have a slice? H That guy has his pizza
is gonna boil that whole thing, Like, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Have to do those other things. I can't also do pizza.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
I know you were making it sound like you're just
gonna go super clean and like have a turkey sandwich.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Packed with you or something. I thought those were clean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah, maybe sparty barb excited for the MSU opener. My
favorite that I attended was against USC in nineteen eighty seven,
my senior year at MSU. You could tell that the
defense was special with Percy Snow and Kurt Larsen in
the linebacking corps Jason and Graham. What is your favorite
MSU opening game that you remember live or TV? Do

(01:07:30):
you have one? Jesus, yeah, no, not off top by it.
I'm sorry, I don't remember. I mean, what was what
was the opener of ninety seven? My dad had season
tickets in ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Okay, the opener ninety seven was Western Michigan, I believe,
and they beat him like you do nothing at the half?
What how'd you know that? And it was like top
of your head. I think the final was like forty
two ten, but it was forty two nothing. Yeah, yeah,
I know, I did. I remember that day. It was
a hot day. It had a zi I remember as
has Nasty. I'll be a lie. We have no idea,

(01:08:04):
but the yeah, no, that was I think the year
after that, when I was still going to games with
my dad, they open with Central. I want to say,
and Sean Foster, who played at my high school, had
a big, long run, and I thought that was pretty cool.
I'm trying to think, but there have been others. The
the the the year the Oregon game was that the

(01:08:25):
year after a Campbell went down was a really cool
I think that was an opener. There have been a
number of them that stand out for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Corey Ostrom, what are the position battles that intrigue you
most tomorrow nights and how do you think they shake up?

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Running back? To me, is is really compelling. I have
no idea how that's going to look, and it may
they may start certain guys and then sometimes you just
guys are gamers and they get an opportunity. Running back
is one I'm very curious about. I think that is
probably the most intrigued I am at any position. I'm

(01:09:06):
curious how they're gonna use other receivers behind Kelly and
and Nick marsh as well. To the previous question too
about I think the one of the most memorable openers
wasn't even a home opener. It was that Northwestern game
on the road when Kenneth Walker hit that seventy five
yard run, Like that was a that was right at
the beginning of the Allen Hallett here. I remember that

(01:09:28):
as well. That was but that was a one of
those things where it sort of changed how you thought
about the season pretty quick, because it was clear he
was going to be something special.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Corey Ostrom, who will be the Tigers starters when the
playoffs starts? The side of school bull? Who is two
three and four if Hinch decides to go that route?
And will Olsen be ready?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I'm not wait start day if.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
He's stying Fort Detroit scampling and ya, how did we
make it like an hour into this show without talking
this tobaccle, this last three game debacle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Well, here it comes ten starts, here it comes Holy Ship. Yeah. Look,
it's a good question because Miz does not look you
can't have confidence in anybody, and Melton is the one
I'd like to see more of Olsen? Is you know,
is Olsen going to be healthy by then? I don't
know that he is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
I well, he was on a sixty day il when
it was that let's let's hold on, give me some off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Ye York too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
This is what I see.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Everybody stops and they're staring at me. I got passion
in my pants and I ain't afraid to show it,
show it, show it, show it. I'm sexy and I
know it. Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Come uh, he's out for the regular season, so I imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
I'm sexy and I know it. Come on, get into it,
Come on, come on, check it out and favorite partigle Yeah,
wiggle wiggle, wiggle wigle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Yeah, yeah, Resols, it's not coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
We have to go back to hoff because if we do, lads,
I'm gonna have to play it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
So who will be the starters? I mean, they're gonna
have to go with the guys they have, and I
don't think they have the bullpen to do the the
chaos that they had last year. I think you're gonna
basically go with whoever is more ready.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
When how do you get like swept by the Sacramento
fucking as though in a minor league ballpark.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
The other thing that's weird is they're talking about and
I understand you're trying to have scooball beat as best
you get the playoffs, but they have when they have
an extra day's rest, like it's well, he'll get an
extra day because of a day off. Why won't you
just skip Jack Flaherty's next start, you know, like pitch
schooball every five, Like I don't understand the point of that,
like they do not. It's not the hinchway. Yeah, I

(01:11:54):
don't know, man, David.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
What would it take in the Western game for you
to muse a loud in Solari's ear?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
I think this team is clearly better than I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Would a forty point win do it? Or thirty? It
would be more heavy? What would need to happen breathing
for you to lean over because this team slurd? I thought,
Chris at least save it for Spartan speak. Yeah it
would uh it? Would you know? Like fifty point win?
Fifty five, fifty five and above? I lean over and

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I whisper sweet nothing Sincelari's ear? Hell yeah, David Jackson,
How can this Tiger's team be swept by a craptacular
club that was ten games below five hundred when the
series began?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I mean, damn? I mean didn't the Dodgers lose twelve
straight at one point and they have a four hundred
and fifty million dollars payroll or something? I understand? So what? Yeah,
that's not my favorite team?

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
Okay, you want us to stay up till one in
the fucking morning to watch a walk off walk.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
It's a kind of guys. It's a combination of it
being baseball where the shit happens and the Tigers just
not being that good. I mean, that's when can you
just throw that shit out the window? Though, it's like,
you know, baseball, it's a long season, like all right,
you know, it's more amazing looking at their pitching staff
that they're in the position they're in, like they look
at the whole team. Sometimes sixty five team. Yeah, it's
a sixty five win team. I don't I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
Next one from David, will the LSJ send a writer
to cover Spartan hockey road games at least those that
are big ten league games?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Unlikely? I mean we would love to, and if the
audience warranted it, I think we would. We would consider.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
We just need twenty dollars a month from you, and
they'll send a lot of you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
I mean, I love, I love when we get to
do that, and there are opt we do go on
the road when it's a big game. And when they
were clinching big ten titles in NANCAA Tournament and postseason
and all that stuff. I just think it's gonna be. Yeah.
It's one of those things where the the audience has
yet to show. People love going to the games and
people are fired up for up. From a readership standpoint,

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the audience is not as intense, is like basketball or football.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Richard Kaine next, Jason's enthusiasm for golf is potent enough
to almost get me to care enough to watch. But
I'm wondering how much golf do you play? And what
is your handicap and what are some of your favorite
courses to play. I got to say, I don't keep score,
so I don't really know. Really, no, I don't. I
honestly I like to practice, like I have a little

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chipping area in the backyard out and over there, so
I like to honestly, that is like my happy spot,
that little chipping spot out back. Have the Tigers game
on outside on the deck. So I honestly haven't been
playing as much as I did last summer, but I definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
What was your score the last time you kept score?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
I haven't because my friend Jordan, my Michigan friend Jordan,
ended up getting me golf clubs as a wedding gift,
really nice golf clubs. So I started playing in twenty
twenty two, starting getting really back into it, right. I
took like ten years in between that, so I haven't
really but you know, Hawk Hollow, Woodside, you know, I

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any golf golf course I go on that has nice
grass on it, I'm not really that picky.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I have to say I enjoyed Grossbeck, even here in Lansing.
It's great, great, great. Of course that was funny is
you don't keep scoring at all, and you're probably quite
a bit better than me, and yet I not only
do I keep score, I keep parenthetical score as well.
And parenthetical score is like what you could have done
on a hole. It allows you to sort of see
what your your top level would be. So that's too

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much info. What I mean is like if you if
you play a great, you know, approach shot, and then
you miss a putt that you're completely capable of making,
then you write a score that assumes you made that
putt as well, and so you have both scores next
to each other, and you add, that's not what I
go for.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
No, I gol for the good shots, and you know
I don't have to look over and go, yeah, what
do you have on that whole at seven eight? You know,
like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Yeah, it's worse when you have to turn around. You're
like counting shuts one two, Yeah it was three to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
There is four to the playing competitively, Like I go
play with Andrew from Groovy Donuts and we have a
good time, and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Like I just he keeps scoring.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
I don't keep scoring, mister, Benjen, MSU isn't going to
have everyone healthy all year. If you could cherry pick
injuries to three starters.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Oh man, which I don't want to. I don't want to.
I would say, you want to go places where there
isn't great separation, right, you'd say your third receiver, you'd say,
probably you're running back, and uh, somebody on the defensive line,
because there's the interior defensive line. That's where you would go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Ben Jen, if you had the money to only do
one of these, would you fully fund the lancing promise
or buy and run your own newspaper?

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Well, these are two very different amounts of money because
a question, well, you know what I would do both.
I would negotiate and figure way to do both. Because
because buying buying and running the Lanting State Journal would
cost like probably one twentieth of fully funding the lancing promise.
So that's what I mean. It's just a very very
different total. So both would be priorities. You know, it'd

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make both happen.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
If you owned the LSJ. What was the what would
be the first change you would make?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Customer service pricing? I'd well, and I would add, I
would that's add staffing, boost salaries. We've covered the we
cover the state House, so go under six months. Not necessarily,
I would beef up because I would here's what would
pay for it all. I'd beef up the MSU coverage

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to the point that you had to subscribe that nobody.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
In this coverage is great for a dollar and then
it's seventy nine ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Nah. But but if all of a sudden it was like, man,
there's no point in reading anybody else because they've got this, this,
this and this and this, And I would poach some
people to make that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
You've had a dream about this. It sounds like you
know how it really detailed.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
You know how when you're young and you put like
your your favorite baseball, basketball, football, so you put your
roster together and things I put my newsrooms together. Yeah,
I still do that. Who would I hire here in
I cannot say Kaputo is on that list, but maybe
twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
He's giving up now, Tyler, can someone airlift the Tigers
the fuck out of Sacramento or wherever the hell they
were playing? There are no roads not to kick it out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Not a fun series, any unbelievable And you're up late
to like what helped is the US Open Tennis was
on late, so you get frustrated the Tigers. You're like,
you know what, I'm just watching tennis. I'm not I'm
not doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I woke up to pee and it was like one
ten in the morning and they were still in the
top of the tenth or something like, Holy hell, I
can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I'm too old for that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Eric Smith, what sense does it make for the Tigers
not to give Melton some more starts? I know Flarity,
Morton and Paddock are not good candidates for the bullpen,
but the kid has been pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Yeah, I mean, I understand the long relief role, especially here.
Here's the advantage of melting in the bullpen, and he
has been pretty good. Is if you know, you have
a two, three and four starter who are most likely
in a fifth starter for sure, but who are most
likely to screw you over at least one of them.
And what I just would take him out earlier. I
would be like, you know, I would tell Melton, you're

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essentially a starter. You're gonna be one of these guys
starts essentially every single time, and so one of them
when they suck in the third inning, you're coming in,
Toto the next four innings. We need you four, five,
sixty seven, you know, like and and it's gonna happen
because look who they are. It's it's it's Myz who's
as mid as it gets. It's Flairty, who's all over
the place, up and down. It's Charlie Morton, the one

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I probably the most faith in. Although it didn't have
a good start this time, I think that's what kind
of made this series tough too, is school ball didn't
have a good start Morton, You know it is it
was the guys who had been a little bit better.
We weren't very good.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Couch on fire, where are we at on the panic
meter this morning? After another sorry run by the Tigers
the last four games and three on the road with
KC this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Well, what's the hold on? What's hold on? I am
welcome to the right. So they're they're eight and a
half up on the Royals. The worst part about this
is all my bets for the Tigers to lose the
division r with the Guardians. So that's half. That's good,

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that's what you get. But they're still they're a half
game back of the top record in the overall. To me,
it's it's can they hold off the Astros, which they're
which they just beat pretty well into what four games
up on the Astros for the second spot. If you
can at least do that and not have to play
in those that first series, that's the key. I think

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they're gonna win the division. I just look at the
number of games left, look at who the Royals and
Guardians are. Now. We saw it last year with the Tigers.
You can get extremely hot, and I think that's what
makes people nervous. They've seen a collapse. Just last year.
They've seen a team get really hot and it was
their team that got hot. So it can be reversed,
and the Tigers have been just bad enough to let
it happen. I do not think there's a panic meter
at all yet. Now they go get swept by the Royals,

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because that's the type of stuff the Royals have to do.
Now they get swept by the Royals, and that gets
to five and a half, and we're beginning September, it
gets a little interesting. But if they don't get swept,
it's still only seven and a half. If they win
one of three and the Royals blow, yeah, it's it's
just it's really.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Where coming off a three game long losing street to
the A's here.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
But Jesus, they got to make sure they win won
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Couch on fire. How much money should we be betting
on Western after your guest reporter yesterday made them sound
like Ohio stin.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Not a lot. Tell Robin that tomorrow. Nay, yeah, not
a lot. It's not that it's not that they don't
have some talent. It's the things that I read between
the lines when you talk about the number of new
guys on defense, and guys have to be in the
right place and trust each other. With a new coordinator,
I think I think if there's anything to do, it
would be take the over on this. But The only

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reason I don't trust that is I also don't trust
like the formula to win for a team like Western
to win this sort of game traditionally was it was
having great receivers, and they've had some great receivers and
that you know, tight end receiver, those sort of players
where you can really be electric. And but when you've
got to rely on your offensive line and run the ball,

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even if you've got a good back, it's just not
usually the thing that works for them in Major. I
think the line's about right. I think that's about where
the game will finish. If anything, I would tell people
to take MSUs over, which is like what thirty one,
thirty one and a half something like that I think
would be the number that I would I think MSU
will eclipse.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
David Cox, fuck YouTube, TV and Fox. Why would they
sign their TV deals right before the kickoff? I'm so
sick of all of these apps. Have they signed the deal?
If not, what should I do about watching the game
since I can't go?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
They have signed a temporary deal. You're gonna be able
to see the game, you know? And that came out
I mean it we also have been a panic deal. Yeah,
I mean because what they realize, and I mean what
you do is you go to Inxfinity, by the way,
in Exfinity will have the game and you'll get a deal.
It's just as good, if not better, depending on what
your package is. But that's the problem YouTube faces in

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any of these guys. It's just so easy to switch. Now,
you don't need somebody doesn't have to come out your
house and reconnect or put in fiber optic line or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Like you're gonna be there Saturday between six am and
four pm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Yeah, if some service gets in a beef, unless it's
one of these where every service isn't getting that channel,
and that happened with like Bally Sports for a while.
But outside of that conundrum, you know, you can just switch, easy,
easy peasy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
It's still true, Jay Riemenschneider, how rich would you have
to be to spend ten million on a house, a jet, yacht,
car or watch? Would it have to be differing levels
of rich for you to desire that object? Because to
spend that much on a watch, I'd have to be
a trillionaire, and I still would never do that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I'd have to know that I had taken care of
a lot of other people in this road. Because the
yacht to me, like I would spend that would I
would live a life that was fun if I was
like a trillionair but like a yeah, a yacht, like
I don't know, I would you know what, I would
struggle at night at like three am when you're watching
like those commercials of starving children over there and you're
on a yacht like that would really bug me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I couldn't do this. Why you don't have that shit
on on your yacht? That's fair? Yeah, honey, to get
those commercials away from me. Yeah, Chris King, but Ky
Frasier and Brendan Tullis were both Oregon State pledges before
following Smith. The MSU is the Smith returning loyalty or
do they really believe they have something in something in
these guys or somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Uh, you know, I don't think this is loyalty. Those
are guys they wanted, they recruit him in Oregon State,
and they probably like their coach, you know. Yeah. I
mean they think they're players and so we'll see I
mean running backs, you know. I think, Look, they like
Jase Clerizio a lot. I would be very surprised if
he's not part of this by the by some point
in the season. It sounds like he was a little
dinged up with a calf injury, and so I don't
know what his role will be Friday Night, but I

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know I think they legitimately like him, you know. I
Otherwise they would have gone out and gotten somebody. This
is not charity at this point. There are lots of
guys who they had relationships with. You you have to
in running backs a position where you can get guys
in the portal, and they did. They went out and
got a guy. I think these two guys have probably

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beaten out to Tolliver. But but we'll see next one
from Jay. Did you hear ISO's interview with Rothstein? Or
do you not listen to Izzo and Smith do interviews
because it means nothing to you unless they are doing
You are doing the interview. I'm not doing the interview.
It can't be an interview. It's got to suck. Yeah, right,
I So that's not the way I feel. Though I

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listened to lots of interviews of if it's interesting or
it's pertinent, then I listened. Rostein of Izzo, though is
not one because the clips that came out of there
as that were like news were things that he's already said.
That's the thing that drives me out to the national
writer gets gets ISO, tweets it out like he's broken
some news of something ISO's ranted about, like in every

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press conference for the last eight months, and and every
ings just not it's just not interesting. Back to the
white elephant in the room. They don't want to deal
with the white elephant in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Next one from Jay, you said Jason Strayhorn being let
go had nothing to do with him trying to get
Marsh to go to Michigan, But you didn't say if
the rumor was true or not. So did he try
to get Marsh to leave? Sounds very unlikely because Strayhorn
is a spartan die hard, even with his son in a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Right, the rumor is not true. That's that's not what
what what happened to my understanding, So he was just
let go, Well, I'm not I'm not saying there was,
I'm not. Obviously that would be a reason. Obviously somebody,
obviously somebody had a reason to let him go. And
I don't have that entirely, you know, to the point
that I can talk about it. But like I but off,

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I feel comfortable saying, based on the information I have
that that the rumor is not true.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Steve Whittako, do you think Ruben amoream gets more time?

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Em yeah, man United coach. They just lost a bad club.
You know. The thing about it is who wants to
be left in the EFL Cup games? Just more games?
Like I, I do think he gets at least until
you know, November something like that. You can't just keep
cycling through these guys without in signing twenty seven year

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old solutions like if you're not gonna go younger, if
you're not going to sign the right guys, if you know,
I don't know if he's the answer, but there's been
nobody's been the answer, and that roster is not the answer.
So I don't know if what you do with how
the coach has anything to do with that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
Next from Steve yay or nay to the altered CMU
football jersey.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I'm not seeing these one second half probably.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
A wigle Yeah, weg weg wiggle Yeah, do the wiggle man,
I do the wiggle man. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sexy and
I know it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah, I don't even where are we at here? Okay,
reveals Brandon. Here we go and find some stuff what
I see? Come on Reddit, be better? Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
In every American hut.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Oh god, I'm not finding them and they probably suck.
Fuck Reddit, Just fuck reddit, like what I did when
I do that search. That should be easier. That should
be if I'm not, you're not doing your job. What'd
you put in the search? Uh? CMU football alternative jerseys?
That's should come.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Up Scotty Green's El Camino. Next, what's worse? Gas station
bathroom that's been shit blasted or a men's locker room
at the gym where the dude is blow drying his balls.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I would go with the dude. It's easy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
It's the gas station bathroom shit blasted. Like dude blow
drying his balls. I could laugh at for days and
has nothing to do. You don't have to touch his ball. Correct,
it doesn't affect me. I need to go to the bathroom.
It's not it's not good. The other one, a shit
blasted men's bathroom, can change your life. I guess both could. Actually, yeah,
that's the guy blow drying his balls. But either way,

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at least blow drying the balls. It's funny, Jay Hawkins. Next,
do you think tight end Jack Velling came back to
MSU to show he can be a good player like
he was when he caught eight tds in twenty twenty
three at Oregon State? And do you think he due
for a good season?

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
You know, I don't know what's gonna you know, I did.
I was not overly impressed last year. Doesn't mean I
don't think he's a good player. And some of that
was circumstance. He's been dinged up. But he's supposedly ready
to go. I'm curious to see him, I really am,
because I mean, he still gets talked about like he's
an impact player and so it's time to see it.
Next one from the Hawk.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
How good should MSU fans feel that the home basketball
game against John Calipari in Arkansas will be on November eighth,
when the football team are on their second bye week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
It's a Monday night, right the eighth? Correct on that,
but I actually don't know if that's that's true. Let's
each no on on Saturday? Never mind? Apologies? Uh yeah,
I h no, I think that's cool. I think look
it's it's good timing for it. You get the second bye,
you get that once in a while, it's a great

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home matchup. You don't always get these games. A lot
of these games are neutral site games. I think the
fact that Michigan, that the Arkansas and Duke are both
at Breslyn Center in the same year is pretty damn cool.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Next one from Jake Rumor has it that the Big
Ten will add two more schools and teams by twenty thirty.
Which two schools or teams do you think that the
conference is adding And how exactly would a twenty team
Big Ten work?

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
Who cares? Let's just do it, Yeah, figure it out later.
Twenty makes more sense to me than eighteen in terms
of round number. I guess if you're playing nine opponents,
it doesn't make it easier if you're playing nine football
road games, although you do have these protected rivals of
eighteen doesn't really work either. Which two the teams that
I've always thought I've always thought North Carolina and Texas
were too they'd want and that's probably not gonna happen.

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North Carolina, I guess more possible than Texas at this point.
I really don't know where they'll go here. I don't
know what Notre Dame's role would be in that, where
Notre Dame will feel whether it wants, you know, whether
it feels like it's time, it's good. It's a really
good question because you're probably not taking from the SEC,
so you're probably taking from the ACC which depending on

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who can get out of the grandited rights dealing. Where
that is. The Virginia is, the North Carolinas, the world
are are somewhat appealing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
Next one from the Hawker. You guys starting to believe
that the Tigers are pretenders, not contenders. Getting swept by
the last place Athletics pathetic.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Well, I think they've always been pretenders to some degree
in terms of like I like, are they a team
that ought to win in the postseason? The flip side
of that is the baseball postseason is a fucking farce,
So like, who knows they could win? Let me think
about it, if we if this Tiger's team wins the
World Series, which could happen after what Ken, what we
just saw? Sure, Ken, why couldn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
I know, I'm just saying watching the team not even
take the Athletics, you know, the series away, I'm just saying,
sometimes when you watch this team, I go, God, damn,
they can win the World Series.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
I don't know. You gotta win four out of seven.
You gotta win three out of five and four out
of seven, four out of seven, and you got scooball
in the mound. You make it sound so easy. Scooba
on the mound for two games in those series, you know,
and then if you get two good other starts, things
could happen, but it would also be a farce. It
would be time for baseball to shrink gets regular season
down to six games.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
And finally from the Hawk, when is the next live show?

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Not sure, we'll see yeah, TVD, TVD on that.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
How about when's the next show?

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Oh? Next we doing? Are we going Monday? What do
you want to do Monday? Yeah, we can do that.
Let's do Monday anything. Yeah, we can do Sunday. We
do Saturday. Stop it, okay, Monday, Monday it is. We
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