Ep. 1066: Hot Take Labor Day: How we feel about MSU football after the Spartans' opener

We dug into our takes and yours — on Michigan State football after its season-opening win over Western Michigan, on the play of Aidan Chiles, the offensive line, the concerning second half, Michigan's opener and other Big Ten shows, on the Lions, Tigers, life and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:32):
M hmm. What do you get when you cross a
know it all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, well, I'm just not sure about that right now.
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Really good Penis. That's crazy. Hey, God, what's up man?
You're doing all right? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I'm trying to rally. It was such a long weekend,
hard partying, just eating too much. You ever just eat
too much and you're just like, oh, that's my hangovers
now now that I don't drink anymore?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Have I ever eaten too much?

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Look you're talking to like, that's how out of it
I am right now asking you that stupid question. Anyway, Yeah,
it was a great weekend, fantastic, Still going strong tonight,
by the way, Yeah, you know it's not ending beside.
Even though we're laboring today for some reason, for the
amount of shows that we miss and do two shows
a week, we decide, yeah, Labor Day, we have to

(03:36):
do a show.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Well, Labor Day is right after the sports world, and
I like Labor Day for a lot of reasons. It
feels like this feels like the beginning of fall, the
beginning of football season, so there's some But from a
work standpoint, it's the worst time holiday in sports ever,
And I've dealt with it every place I've ever worked,
like because there's always like ridiculous deadlines or you don't
have a and It doesn't mean there's less days now.

(03:57):
It doesn't mean football it has fewer games as I
mean deadlines later in the week change. It's like, what
why in newspapers in the media world like Labor Day
is we just got to admit we're not celebrating Labor
Day in the media world like that? What newspapers get wrong?
They get a Labor Day holiday, that's one of the things.
And this is a twenty year bit. I've been frustrated
with Labor Day over that sort of stuff, Like, Okay,

(04:18):
you know, we get lots of perks in the news business.
We can work Labor Day. We should be working Sundays too,
and probably taking Fridays off basing on deadline. That's a
whole different issue. Yes, if you want to work bankers hours,
go work at a bank. Sorry, are you on fire?
On Twitter? Over the weekend? A little bit, not much.
I had a couple, a couple old you know classics. Yeah,
I love the classics. The classics come out. They always

(04:39):
come out the first week of college football. And I
remember just how long the commercials are when you're at
a game.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh my goodness, I know, and people are like, you're
gonna come out to the tailgate and it was like
I was looking at tickets they wanted like one hundred
apiece for Western, and then I'm looking at my three
TV setup and I'm like, why would I want to
leave this?

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I didn't really know oh that there was long commercial
breaks because I was onto the next game and I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, that's the thing. If you move around, you can
do it. I look, I I'm trying not to. I'm
trying to turn over new leaf and not complain about
things that are mostly awesome. All Right, We'll see how
long that last and or at least come back like
the column I'm going to do on this if I'm
going to do one more take on the length of
the breaks in college football and what im because my
issue is not college football. I love college football. I

(05:24):
just think it's a really poorly packaged sport relative to
some other sports. And what I'm gonna do is, I'm
gonna go down, grab my VCR in the basement, grab
it crush tape, grab a nineteen ninety five, you know,
thirty years ago game, and just compare the amount of
actual football we get versus commercials to the day if
it was the exact same, then I'm then I'm a

(05:45):
more on Yeah then it would Yeah, it would blow
my mind because there's no way it's the same. It
is not the exact but maybe if it's close in
the vicinity, I bet you it's quite a bit more
than you think. There was a moment where I would
I would like to know that. I think there was
over ten minutes and a fifteen minute span at one
point point in the MSU football game of commercials. It
was pretty pretty rough. And you notice it when you

(06:05):
watch other sports, you know, you talk about multiple TVs
or flipping back and forth like a great US Open
tennis match, changeovers minute and a half. That's if they
give commercial times. They don't. They don't. Let Fox say,
you know what, we've got the TV deal here, so
we're going to make four minute breaks on every changeover.
In tennis. Now you hit airing the same commercials over
and over again. This is the sport. You fit your
ass in it, you know. And uh, and.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's the thing, like I was, you know, like I'm
saying though, like right, if you saw commercials, different commercials,
you see the same fing commercials. And that's why we
have hot takes and listeners. You know Twitter takes about
how they hate commercials because we see them so often.
It is somebody who works hard to bring in and
we try and organically bring our sponsors in, right, We
try and make we don't have like wow, back in
the day, we used to do like five commercial breaks

(06:48):
an hour for a minute and half.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
We don't do that anymore. We try to make it
a better listener experience. I just really do five four.
It was long. It was a lot, was it?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Really?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
It was like, now we get together in the commercial Breaksack,
what do you want to do next segment? Lebron James.
We gotta get through our two We did it. What
are we gonna do? Yeah? It was rough radio show
glory days like two thousand and six, and part of
me wants to go back to them, but a part
of me doesn't. But their day's school and radio vibe.
I love the old radio.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Vibe, you know, going live and you know the days
of yesteryear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that's right. We're
doing a show, yeah where people are listening. We were
was a funny, poetic on a Monday. I was doing
a column last night for Today, just on just trying
to get sleep. Let's ask Graham if you anything.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I'm fine, fine, Okay, I was trying to do.
I know you work hard, thank you, and just something
to have, you know, something up for Monday morning, even
though it's Labor Day and this is the week, probably
not to have something anyway. Was it a panic column
because I'm panicking. No, it's not a panicking But one
of the things I thought would be fun to do
is if I did something every week looking through and
as I look through some of the historical games and

(07:51):
matchups between teams, is the headlines back then of you know,
what was what was happening at the LSJ when they
played in thirty five, or the big headlines nationally or
whatever and what was eighteen thirty five, Yeah, whatever it was.
It's so interesting you go back. They were better at
digital journalism in nineteen thirty five, ninety years ago than

(08:11):
we are today. This is a headline like we don't
know how to write nonline headline. In two thousand, we're
getting better at it, but we're not great at it
in twenty twenty five. This is from nineteen thirty five
when MSU played Boston College. Same day, next, next edition.
This is the headline, clues lacking and shooting of Mason
Farmer Bertie Webb, sixty four, slain and loan office on

(08:33):
farm after resisting bandit pair. Widow arrives too late with
gun sixteen hundred and ninety six left and safe. Who
the hell wouldn't read every word of that story? Hell's
from the game. No, it was that game summary. No,
it was the next It was in the same edition.
So it's like they were that's an unbelievable headline. I
would have read every second of that story. And if
you put that headline up today, clues lacking and shooting

(08:54):
of Mason Farmer widow arrives too late with gun, like
holy shit, Yeah, I'm reading that like they were just
we don't.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
First month two shekels, next month ninety five, shekels.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
You want a subscription to the LS, give it. Back then,
we were we were getting how you guys were operating.
We were awful. We were awful. Yeah, well, I uh.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Times were tough back then. People really got screwed at
the time. That was the if you lived in that era,
you got really fucked. Like if you were up in
heaven looking down and seeing what we get to you know,
do and technology and everything. It's like, oh my god,
at least they want to read some of those old papers,
and you're just like, we're people people dealing with.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Back plus I was like the middle of the depression
nineteen thirty five. Oh yeah, the fact that there were
still like sixteen hundred bucks left in the safe. I
haven't looked at inflation calculator, but that's pretty gill and everything. Yeah,
that's pretty good with a blast from the past. All right,
thanks for that way to start a show. Should we
dig into our our takes? You want to lead off?

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Go ahead, man, you're gonna spend this non covering win
over Western Michigan.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, Alsio the backup quarterback when you don't yet. I've
always often said, if you're a coach and you can
go six and six but cover every spread, your fan
base will be happier than if you go eight and
four and don't.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
If there was a video shown of how like a
pick sick, if you were showing someone that had no
idea what a football game was or football the sport,
and he said this is a pick six, that would
be the video of it.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
It was the most perfect.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Pick six I've ever seen, and it also yeah, a
guy from the D'Antonio era picking it off and running
it back to the house to Alex.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So that that way they couldn't cover the twenty and
a half points spread, which I faded by the way.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
But of course, as always when we talk about it
on the show, you feel for people that did absolutely.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Sprinkle on that. No, it was I was glad they
at least covered like the teasers that I recommended. I
was like, at least didn't fall blow below that one.
So you know your teasers, couch.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
What about this offense, I'm scared of Boston College this
week helped me come off the ledge here.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Well, so we'll do a little of both, because I
think it's I think there's a lot to like and
a lot to be weary of. And it's not a
you could feel it either way. I think you can
feel both ways. Cow. Yeah, it's because the first half.
I think part of it was the way the game
went right. The first half was pretty emphatic. The defense
was great, the offense moved well enough. There wasn't explosive plays,

(11:12):
but you know, you put up twenty one points, you're
feeling pretty good about it, and the second half, you know,
I think they did. And just this is reading the
tea leaves on Jonathan Smith. I asked him about to
do they hold things back and he said, well, not
in the first half. I think I think when they
get up twenty one nothing, there was a little bit
of we're not going to show this, we don't need to.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Steam scored nineteen points a game, don't hold anything back,
and they're yeah, you're right, They're just not good enough
to do that right now, and they'll pass protect.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well, so here, here's here. Here are the things to like,
and this is these are things that I think carry
over and are good traits to see. Right, I think
you saw a pretty clean game. And Jonathan Smith talked
about this in his Monday press conference. There were not
a lot of you didn't get dumb penalties, you know,
a lot of pass interference, twelve men on the field,
false starts, the thing that happened to undisciplined teams early

(12:01):
in seasons, even some discipline teams early in seasons. You
didn't see a lot of that. I think that's good.
Carry oak knocking my coffee over here, very excited, hyped, up,
so you didn't see any of that. I think that's
really good stuff. You see Amari Kelly immediately live up
to the building. That guy looks like he's just a player, right.
You see the running the run blocking look. And again

(12:23):
we don't know if it's Western Michigan, how much of it,
and how much of it's Michigan State, but the run
blocking would look really good, especially on the right side
of the line for a half. And it looks really
good with two of the backs in there with yeah,
Makai Frasier and tell Us. The pass protection not so
great and and the backs weren't great, and that tell
Us had one just miss blitz pick up, you know,

(12:44):
And then you have apparently Jonathan Smith was saying sometimes
the communication there wasn't great because like the back saw
something different than the offensive line saw. And that's that's
something you can't go when you see a free player
running at your quarterback. You gotta hear what the play
was or the setup was. Don't yell, don't let yell
look out, yeah, put it, put a body on. And
so there's there's that. And then I don't think I

(13:06):
think Chiles, I think that Child's doesn't make the big mistake.
Throwing is good. They didn't really push it downfield all
that much, so we'll see what that looks like. And
he wasn't that accurate out of the pocket throwing downfield.
Jonathan Smith talked today about how in the second half,
once the pass protection really had broken down for a while,
his eyes started to drop too quickly and he was
looking to escape instead of keeping a downfield. I think

(13:27):
that's a challenge for him. It's a challenge for all
guys who have running ability. I've always if I was
a high school coach of a quarterback who I thought
at NFL ability and they could run, I would not
let them cross the line of scrimmage running the ball
in high school until the fourth quarter to try and
win the game, because I think it's detrimental that athletic
ability that saves them at certain levels stops them from
developing natural instincts to find it with their eyes. And

(13:50):
I think that's going to be a challenge for Childs
and his his sort of pocket awareness and his quickness
to get out of there, and and you know, port
of the pre snap stuff was pretty good, but that's
something we're going to see this week. So there's a
lot of different ways to feel. And I think this
week against Boston College, which is a mammoth game, for
just the vibes, you know. I mean, you can recover

(14:13):
from a playing a decent acc team and going one
and one. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would
certainly make the next couple of weeks a slog It
would make it would kill the steam and the momentum
of the season. And and for a team that it's
not just the fans, for a team and a quarterback
that's had this game circled for so long, I mean
that that Boston College game, and to their credit, they

(14:34):
I mean they felt the pain of that for a year.
That Aiden Childs after the first day of fall camp,
was talking about the Boston College game and how much
that bothered him and how gratefully he was they were
on the schedule again. He threw three interceptions, they had
a couple of disastrous plays early in the third quarter.
There that was a classic Child's experience of his sophomore
year where he was, you know, in moments you're like,
holy smokes. And they didn't have Nick marsh that day,

(14:56):
and some other things went wrong but like that game
for them because they've circled it and we'll see what
sweat equity can matter and those sort of things. You
see it really focused team with a lot of returners,
really want that game. That stuff can matter. So are
you saying that they overlooked Western? No, no, no, you
don't overlook the opener. They were fight. So that's I think.
Guess what that I think. I think in the second

(15:16):
half they got a little vanilla, and they're not good
enough to be vanilla, That's what I mean. And so
whether that's a mistake or not, when you're up twenty one,
nothing if you save something like if you don't if
you didn't put something on film with Nick Marsh that
gets you a first down or a touchdown or a
big play this week, then it's worth it, right, unless
you have money on a spread.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I said Brian Lndre in a Venmo request after that
second half, I wanted some money back.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't care if it was a backup or all.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
The mass Amino quarterback that threw that pick six to
cover that spread that second half against Western was an
abomination and it scares me for this week's game, And
I don't care it should.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It should. Can you have to score more than a safety?
You know, that's the defense. The defense did that.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
You didn't score any points against Western the second half,
And you want me to get excited about the BC game,
I mean, and.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
The defense was I'm scared. The defense was good. Now
the other thing we'll see, Like, I thought they were resilient.
I thought, I think there's a good leadership there. I
think they're gonna be okay. And I think the deffense
was great and AVS was unbelievable. And we'll see when
they get tested a little more and they get beat here,
you know, if they actually eat and was great. Yeah, No,
I think I think there's a lot to like.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
I'm with you that there's positives for sure, but you
can't spin me on that second half. There's no There's
no way you can spin me on that, because if
you would have just scored seventeen points in the second
half on top of what you did in the first half,
I would have felt great going into this week's game
against Boston College.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
When I think the concern is also there have been
through the first game first season under Jonathan Smith, there
were some second halfs where things weren't very good either,
So like the concern becomes, is this a pattern, right?
And this is one of those weeks where you find
things out, because it could absolutely be the case where
they got a little to vanilla and they're not good
enough to do that, and that's fine. They go out

(16:58):
and they beat Boston College and Ailes plays a clean
game and he hits a couple of guys deep and
everybody feels pretty good. Or it could be the case
where the adjustments aren't made. Again, they're not as good
in the second half, they lose, and it's like, this
is a thing we just don't know right now. We
don't know. But the second half did not inspire confidence,
you know.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
And who started that narrative that they were withholding plays
right like after you Like I said, after last year
we scored nineteen points a game. I mean, Chiles was
overthrowing a couple of guys here and there. I'm willing,
I get it. You know, first game, jitter is getting
the working the kinks out. But like I said, to
not score any points against that terrible Western team, I
just look like this.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
When you watch what they were doing with Nick Marsh,
they were withholding plays they're not throwing everything. They nick
Marsh and make up a PlayN grin like a bat
yard play. Yeah, ever, draw on your hands, throw it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
To a deep that if you don't want to give
up one off plays, you got to get that. I
don't give a shit against Western, against anybody. Get Nick
Marsh the ball. Never make that guy a decoy. It's ridiculous.
I know he caught a touchdown, but still holding plays.
Go deep, throw it. I don't know what is your
first take that that's what you got?

Speaker 1 (18:06):
What he stying for? Detroy scampling body.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
And say, I guess I'm saying I'm petrified of the
Boston College game. Isn't a take? I guess I don't
know what's pretty good? What's your next take? I should say?
The Tigers are we back? I mean the bullpen. Do
we have to give Scott Harris some credit here? Well,
we whip on Scott Harris for all these other moves.
Jump the gun against Paddock too. I know, you know

(18:36):
there's three nothing. And when you do that, you get
that the Tony Dombrowski rage going in there and Paddock
is asked, and then you send that thing out. And
of course the boys rally to win that game. It
was still kind of an ass outing for Paddock. But
the bullpen, you know, for the month of August under
three e r a point two point nine to eight.
Got to get excited about that, right, Are we excited

(18:57):
about the Tigers?

Speaker 1 (18:58):
We still just don't know. I think it's one of
those The problem with the Tigers is I saw that
stat from the bullpen. I'm like, we got to give
our boy, Scotty Harris some credit. I think at this
point the scary thing is is the bullpen is limited,
but there are some guys in there who are elite
and maybe can get you through a series. I think
the scary thing is you are going to start guys
in the postseason named Jack Flaherty or Casey Maes and

(19:22):
deal with it. You just don't you deal with it, right,
And so you're just not gonna mats or hot there's yeah, right,
and you need school ball to be brilliant. The problem
with the Tigers rotation is you'd like to have a
You'd like Scooball not to have to be vintage school
ball and every single start in the postseason if you bullshit, well, you.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Want if he wants forty million years. I want vintage,
you know what I mean, Like I I've come to
a crossroads with this Schooble thing of like, no, I'm
serious of like, you know, especially when one of his
outings would awrye you know the a's. You know, I'm
just saying to pay a guy that much. I know
there's no salary cap, but you're starting to understand what
kind of ownership sees and the way that pitchers are
not guys that are workhorses. If there's a guy, if

(20:03):
pitchers were like a workhorse like they used to be,
I would have no problem paying forty million dollars for
a guy like that. But these guys are going into
the sixth or seventh inning, and you got to have
make sure you have a great bullpen to surround.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Those guys with.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Because those workhorse dudes, I mean the Clemens, all the
Vertilander sures are those guys were dogs would go deep
into the eighth, ninth inning. Those are guys I would
have no problem paying fifty million dollars for. But Schooble,
every five days you're gonna get you know, and every
time he tweaked something or fart's weird you're gonna pull him,
So you know, I don't know, am I just I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I couldn't. I could not be a baseball manager because
or GM because if if if Scooba wasn't gonna sign it,
he'd be pitching every four days. Like you're going, let's
just go, let's.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Just make him an offer that doesn't embarrass us, because
I mean, obviously we want to keep schoobl He's our
homegrown guy. You want to pay our guys like that.
But the lack of production from these guys My next take. Yeah,
college football Weekend. Some of it was okay, but a
reminder that certain things we know and certain things we

(21:09):
just don't know. Iowa football gets a brand new quarterback.
They're excited about Scott Doctrman comes on here. This is
going to be the year they play Albany four and
eighteen last year in the FCS forty four yards from
their new QB passing, and like, why do you trust
Kirk Farrence. It's just he should have his own hour
episode so.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
We know that what we don't know is and this
is why Tony Pettiti's you know, little let's have a
certain amount of teams from the Big ten because the
Big ten is better.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Little idea that's a good Tony Patiti. I don't know
what he sounds like, but I'm guessing it's that It's.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's somewhere between Mike Krzhesski and Yoda, and so that
seems like it's probably it. Anyway that you watch Alabama
Florida State, you watch what's supposed to be the pinnacle
of the SEC against a team that two years ago
was great in the AC and fell off in the transferportal.
You just don't know how quickly rosters can rebound now
far they can fall how quickly You just never know.

(22:06):
And so you see that game, and you see what
happens at the line of scrimmage and other things, and
how do you you can't predetermined bids. There are lots
of things we just don't know. Clemson, this was supposed
to be the year for them. Back court, LSU still
LSU is the better team than Clemson. We just saw
we saw physically they were the better team than Clemson.
There are a lot of things we just don't know.

(22:28):
And and I love that And as long as we
react to it in the rankings and and and uh
and we let the season play out, and we picked
playoff spots based on that, and we picked rankings based
on that and all that stuff. It's called grid. We
just got to remember we don't know shit going in
and so that's that's that's that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
So should week one because that was one of my takes.
Is Week one next year fade like the whole week
like I was betting on teams. I really had no idea.
It was a terrible like I am an I need
the North Carolina under tonight to salvage the whole Labor
Day weekend of gambling stivities. But it's like I was
gambling on ship.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I really didn't know. I think it's pick a few
games and have some fun with it and maybe.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
You got a crush on the Tay preseason college football,
especially now, or pick them underdogs or just follow Harry right,
didn't Harry have a good weekend? Harry went what six
and one? I think, yeah, six and one, five and
one on this show. Just phenomenal work by Harry. Yeah, No,
it was a really good week there. I think in
Wisconsin beating Miami of Ohio seventeen, nothing evid seventeen and a.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Hook you want to be careful. You just want to
be really careful with this faded. Yeah, it's one of
those you need to at least see week one, you know,
a week of action for these. It's like betting tennis.
You know, early on there's so many people are at
minus seven seventy five and you're like, oh, maybe I
should just put them in a parlay. No, they're gonna
lose our tennis players soft. No to see a story
after story about the whining, complaining of these now you know,

(23:50):
well the grind of a fire disclosure.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
It is New York Post dot com, so they want
to give you the salacious headlines from the Open. But
I think if if there's one book I would recommend anybody,
it's my faceavorite books of all time, opened by Andrea
August He's autobiography, which just goes through it but anyway
you talk about his hair, No, it's the whole thing.
Brookshields through everything.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Right. It is good, it's phenomenal, it's really good. But
the opening, the epilogue before the first chapter, is this
five set match the market based Big Datus in the
late in his career in the US Open, and the
two of them holding hands laying on the training table afterwards.
Just what like that takes out of you, you know,
game after it's these guys are these guys are tough
as ship. What a story, all right? My final take.

(24:30):
They were holding each other's head, holding hands on because
they were exhausted. Yeah, they're just out of pure exhaustion.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, that's the one story he took out from that book.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
No, a fake hair piece. So good, so good. They're
they're Steviy Graff's dad and Andrea Augusty's dad. Both these
like one semi Graft's dad was like, you know this
both overbearing tennis parents, right. Augusty's dad was a former
like Iranian boxer and Graft's dad and the first time

(24:59):
they introduced him, they looked over and the two of
them got no fight, Like I mean, it's it's it's unbelievable.
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take before we get into the listener takes some really
good stuff. We can talk about MSG football here. Michael
Parsons deal. Oh, that's right, and obviously the Packers get him. Yeah,
And I have a little bit different take on this.
You're pro Jerry. I'm not pro Jerry because I think
this is all the owner's fault. They couldn't come to
a deal. Michael Parsons gets a load of money. But

(26:06):
part of the problem with this is that NFL owners
have yet to have been able to put their own
foot down to quarterbacks who aren't elite and say you
don't get the same money as elite. So part of
the problem with trying to pay Michael Parsons and the
whole roster. Micah Parsons is elite in his position. He
is one of the top difference makers entering his prime
in football. Dak Prescott is not. He is a top

(26:28):
twelve ish quarterback making the most money of anybody in
the NFL at sixty million a year. And this goes
for guys like Jared Goff too, Like these are guys
who should be interviewed in these situations. So because Dak
Prescott does not get a pass on this, he still
has to lead the Cowboys to the super Bowl. He
is the highest paid player in football. You have to
be elite for that, or you have to if you're

(26:49):
a smart quarterback. If you don't want that pressure, then
take forty million in tennis to sixty. I don't nobody's
going to do that. What I'm saying is owners have
to the way that we pay quarterbacks without having without
saying admitting that Joe Burrow is different than Dak Prescott,
that those two guys shouldn't be in the same realm
that a guy like just because Jared Goff's next up,

(27:10):
he doesn't get the same as Patrick Mahomes, Like that
is just such a ridiculous thing and it makes roster
construction difficult. But if you're one of these QBS who's
not elite, who gets paid by that, you better perform
to be elite. When the Lions start to lose guys
because of money, the window better not close because of
Jared Goff or he has to answer to every guy
they lose because he is chosen to take the contract.
Same with Dak Prescott if you're not elite. I know

(27:31):
this is the greatest hit in some degree, but this
situation brought it about. They could not sign, they couldn't
come to terms with an elite player, and partly part
of it is because they chose to pay a non
elite player elite money at that position. And it's on
the owners for not having tiers and how you pay.
If a guy's making sixty million, it better be Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, a guy like Dak who's a next tier

(27:53):
down should be at forty thirty five. There should be
different tiers for this stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
And just because Jerry Jones is still a penis he's off,
Like I mean, you get a guy that Michael Parsons
first four years in the league, you got more than
too late first round.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
But I mean that's the guy you draft.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
These guys right to become the player that Michael Parsons
was to not play like I think a guy like
Michael Parson Parsons can set himself aside, like he could
get paid a quarterback salary like that, the rare guys
like that. But I agree with you in other instances
with like a guy like Trey Hendrickson who thinks he's
worth fifty five million dollars a year, right, you just

(28:30):
have to I don't know, but Dak Prescott's they don't
really grow on a tree like Michaeh Parsons. Can you
find another guy, maybe not a Micah Parsons, but a
guy that can be disruptive on a defensive you know,
defensive line like Michaeh Parsons is for cheaper than that.
But for what Jerry got in the I mean the trade,
I think if you were gonna sit there and have
the Herschel Walker thing again, but two first rounders, late

(28:50):
first late first rounders and an aging veteran. I know
he's an all Pro defensive lineman from Green Bay, but
you didn't really get a haul, no that you know, right?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And he did it a week Adams.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
You got more for Jamal Adams Seattle did do this
before the draft. Last the last draft, you're gonna get
rid of them because then you would have got a
draft pick that you would have just kept. Jerry has
a history of doing this, right. I mean the Cowboys
documentaries out. I refreshed me on the Emmett Smith thing,
and Emmett sat out the first couple of games they
were fucking got awful, and then Emmett, you know, ran
the show because he's like, Jerry, you got to pay me.

(29:21):
So I just don't understand what this guy's doing. And
a guy that's I mean, how many more rebuilds does
Jerry have.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
In him that years old? And you're not rebuilding. You
just overpaid a corner and you got to overpaid a
quarterback and you you have you know, yeah, you just
you got a high expensive roster and you got rid
of your best difference maker. This is crazy being a
Dallas fan Mavericks and a Cowboys fan. Well, they at
least got you know, the number one pick in the
NBA draft.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
So well conspiracy, right, they said, if you trade Luca,
we'll make sure you get the number one pick.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
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Speaker 3 (31:05):
A plate setter. So what you call it? Yeah soccer, Yeah,
gotcha plates? Eric Schultz up first. Number One, we should
be worried that Chiles might actually suck. Still no pre
snap blitz awareness, still loose with the football to fumbles,
and he missed every downfield throw. No second half points,
super concerning. And two, this is the biggest non conference

(31:28):
game since Arizona State in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Hmm, that's a good question, because non conference game it
feels big, you know, you can you can overstate that.
But given what's happened in the last few years and
where things were headed, you could say that, yeah, you could.
You could. You could absolutely say that. You it could
be bigger than that because where that tenure was going anyway,

(31:57):
there will be bigger games this season. It's important to
note that the Mission game will be bigger regardless, right,
and there will be opportunities. But this is really you
talk about a table setter, a place cetter, for the season.
This is it, right, This is momentum. This allows the
rest of the sea. This allows you to exist playing
Youngstown State and be two and oh. When you're doing

(32:18):
it set a one on one, it changes the vibe
of the whole crowd there. It changed what you do.
And because you're gonna blow out Youngstown State, if you're
Michigan State, you want to do that too. And oh,
you want to do that with good vibes. You don't
want to do that where you're celebrating. Everybody's going yeah,
but you're you're just two and one, and can you
do it against good teams? You want to show it
against a good team, do it against a shitty team,
and then go to California three and oh with with

(32:39):
everybody feeling like feeling good about things, and that goes
for the players as well. This is a big one,
and I think a game that's probably truly a toss up,
like Michigan State's a three point favorite opened at two
and a half. That's that's just home field right there.
So it's seen by Vegas as a pick. And then again,
Vegas has Michigan State only winning five and a half games,
so Vegas may not know what Michigan say. It is uh,

(33:01):
depending on how things play out.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Maybe maybe next number one concessions line was faster than
I expected. The brisket sandwich was better than eating a
hot dog, and to the DJ was bad. They stopped
every song at the chorus.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
First of all, props to maybe mebe for taking a
dozen donuts, like a thousand miles back home on like trains,
planes and automobiles. You know how many donuts be left
in that box. If I was trying to do that transport,
it'd be just it'd be like one of you. Oh yeah,
they'd be gone. So prompts, prompts for that. We're gonna
get into a lot more on the She's big, higher

(33:36):
on the experience than some others. There was a DJ,
I guess, so I see the one A standalone guy.
It thinks I don't like about Spartan stadium is the
glass in the press box is so thick that you
really don't feel the vibe and experience. You don't like
some people feel all that crowd is amazing. You just don't.
You don't feel it. And while that's good in some degree,

(33:59):
I prefer or a stadium where outdoor press boxes are
fun but or but at least ones where you really
feel like a part of it, and you sort of don't.
You feel removed and above it, and it's sort of
hard to tell. It's one of the things people ask
about the DJ or the loudness of of the PA
and all that stuff, and I, I don't. I'm unable
to empathizecause I wish I could hear it.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Unfortunately, Luckily tell j bat well then there glass Jay.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Trust me, Jabat is hearing a lot this week about
a lot of these things.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Jebediah number one Friday night was so annoying. I thought
I was going to a commercial fest and they kept
getting interrupted by some football game and two bonus. They
absolutely did not fix the speaker issue. I lost my voice,
not from cheering, just trying to talk to my friends
over the blaring music. Other than that, the stadium experience
was much better.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Didn't go to the concessions. What else is there? I mean,
you have a seat and you're in your seat. If
you didn't go to the concessions and the damn the
speaker sucked, what else is Do you sneak something in? Yeah, yeah,
I've We've heard this from other people, and this is
like it's something and it look it's game one and
Jabat's gonna have to look at all that stuff and
it's stuff. I don't understand why it can't be fixed.

(35:10):
It's not something they don't know about. And do they
think people just prefer it? They think people are just
deaf like you know, huh, I mean old people were
what we're hearing aids. You know, my dad when he
stopped being able to hear everything, he just although he
would take out great he would take out his hearing
as them football, he would take out his hearing aids
when people started talking to me. That's what I mean.

(35:30):
There'd be a great thing like, ah, he can't hear you.
So yeah, he just said on my ears in that's
what he said. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Uh, Pablo CHICONI first game, jitters and rotations.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think we'll be fine. It'll be good to watch
improvement week by week.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And bonus concessions were ass went to get a beer
with six and a half minutes left in the first half,
found a short line that offered less options. This will
lead to me smuggling booze in. I don't blame you. Yeah,
you fix that Yeah, more people walking around. They offering

(36:03):
booze out of the little cart they went to. They
went to the levee. You know corporate. When you go
corporate used to have like all these volunteers, right, and
it's like every church and group was, you know, volunteering
to make money and fundraise. And by doing that, they've
got seventy five people there and they did not have
this well se And that's why.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
You outsource it so you can blame them when something
goes wrong. Well no, I just I think company get
it corrected. But when you go, when.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
You go a good bit though, when you have a
company working for you in the stadium and things don't
go right, like that's our third party.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, but this was a move by you too. You
went away from something.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Else, I know, but you didn't know that they were
going to suck so bad. So it cut us a
little slack and we're going to.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Work on it. It's game it's perfect, it's game one.
It's game one. Yeah, No, you got to get a
fixed move. Got to fix the food options are more plentiful.
We'll see where it We'll see where it goes.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Uh yeah, but people don't want to wait how do
we get the weight the lines down? Well that's what yeah,
you got You gotta have more people. There's nobody need
about it. We need to look at the efficiency of
how you're serving people and taking payment and stuff like
that out make it as simple as possible.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
And the addition of beer. You got to get creative
with that, because the addition of beer creates a different
type of wine with more people wanting different You.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Know, everybody has apps they could you know, pay for
it swing by pick it up from somewhere right.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
That gets tricky.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
You would put a little nate like this, Well, sure,
it's all gonna get tricky when you have that many
people in one spot and trying to figure out how
to get them their shit.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
But there has to be a way to like people are.
Just if you put somebody's name on it and says
this is this is a coffee for Chuck, somebody's gonna
walk up, fuck it, I'm Chuck, you know, and just
take it right.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
You can't treat it like a fucking local big b
I know. It would have to be a greater thing
than that. I was thinking of an idea like a
locker system to where you go up to a locker.
Locker seventeen's yours your order. You open it, it's in there,
You go back to your seat. Adjson Nick, I'm just saying, J. Patt, dude,
let's go Spartan Frank next. MSU's offensive line getting pushed
massively raises the ceiling. Giles's play is concerning. I'll say it, dude,

(37:55):
look like the same quarterback from a year ago, just
without the picks because we weren't throwing deep. Pocket presence
also ranges from neo like to absolutely ask, from snap
to snap. So this is, you know, I don't know
exactly how much Child's has improved. I think he is
better than a year ago in a lot of ways,
in terms of his maturity, approach, his understanding of his

(38:17):
is what he needs to get done. But often when
shit hits the fan, so to speak, you know, and
and your past protection isn't there. And there aren't many
college quarterbacks that look great when past protection isn't there,
Like arch Manning, a guy who's like supposed to be
the second coming looked off. And so it's hard, hard
position to play, hard position to play young.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
And I went to the horseshoe against that defense. Now,
that that's a different than playing Western miss million dollar defense.
So but it is important for Chiles and for this
team that he becomes somebody who can stay in the pocket,
and he becomes somebody who is accurate, uh and on
schedule and and you know, good pre snap like. If
those things aren't part of his skill set, you can

(38:59):
have all the talent in the world, you're just not
an NFL guy. You're not and you won't be an
overly successful guy in the college game. Now, there are
lots of limited quarterbacks in the college game who have success.
And there's one at Florida State who beat Michigan State
at Boston College last year, and you can and also
you can build an offense around those guys. But Chiles,
the offense they're building is they're trying to build an

(39:20):
NFL offense, not an offense that's a you know a
lot of read option, live off quarterback runs and things
like that. You could do that with Chiles and that's
but I for him to be successful in the offense
they want, don't run. He's got to take steps some
of those I think in terms of not making big mistakes.
You know, that's good, but some of that we're going

(39:41):
to have to see at a higher level, and he's
gonna have to show at a higher level, and it
didn't show in week one. Max.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Next, the fireworks, video boards and speakers were nice, but
the biggest improvement to the fan experience was an offensive
line that looks like it can block.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, they win, They look good the fan experience. You know,
you want to be able to get a hot dog
in ten minutes, and you know.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Or score some points in the second half against fucking
Western cover the spread.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah, those sort of things, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yeah, I'm sorry that was the first three takes. Not
that I cannot believe we didn't score offensively against Western
in the second half, a whole half of football. Ow,
I'm supposed to be jolly about the Boston College game,
but excited about it.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I don't know nobody's saying you should be jolly about it.
I don't think anybody's jolly.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
I think people are Faucett Liquor told me to be
jolly about it.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
APPREHENSI twitter, apprehensive and hopeful and but a little concerned.
I think that, Yeah, a lot of ways to feel,
child or a professor.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Professor next, Childs drifts backwards instead of stepping up into
the pocket. The offensive line wasn't perfect, but that trait
makes past protection impossible. And bonus, Caitlin de Boor hasn't
slept since Friday.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
No, he is not, although he's making a lot of money.
The uh yeah, no, they're worth it, though, if everybody
hates you, you know, I don't know why he left Washington.
That just seemed like a great gig. I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Why would you want to follow? Yeah, there's other money
out there. He would have got paid anywhere.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
He must have known that. He must have thought the
roster of Washington was going to fall off or something,
and he could he could retain you know, hey, we
need Saban back. Enjoy that money. Who's that? Yeah, Fine
Bomb looks like that character on South Park. It looks
mister the guy looks like a little bit of a penis.
I would I would Fine Bombs great at what he does.

(41:33):
I would not. I wouldn't be over penis concerned about
but his opinion. There's a character on south Park South Park,
a peature, the guy who looks like, uh, mister, I'm
confusing guys, mister hand Or. No, it's it's not that
it's a I'm doing this poorly people anyway, the hey
they went after me for Carli Raight Jebson, It's coming

(41:54):
on this show. Don't worry. It's no the childs. Yeah,
Giles' is Giles development and Chiles instincts and development in
the pocket are something to keep an eye on, because
there were some signs on.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
This season's gonna hurt isn't again? Friday that weren't twice
weren't great. Shit's gonna hurt.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Isn't it? I don't know that yet. I don't have
any blink. I think they are. I think what you saw.
I think overwhelmingly relative to last year, this is a
better situation by quite a bit, based just on the
run blocking and the defense alone. I think there are
a lot of things in the cleanness and the maturity
of the team. There may this will be a flawed team,
and they may not have enough playmakers, and they may

(42:35):
or may not have a quarterback and can get it
done for them, but they will be like when I
watch that game, I don't see anything taking off taking
me off the thought that this could team could win
seven games, especially when you watch what happened to UCLA
and what Iowa looked like and things like that.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Spartan eighteen seven seven zero next number one. At this moment,
Aiden Chiles needs a constant MSU run game for him
to be successful. Aiden was most effective Friday when running
back were successful and too people forget that Alabama football has.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Been traditionally mid.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Unless they're coached by a guy named Brian or Saban,
Bama is just getting back to its natural level.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
M Yeah, yeah, but see.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
I don't remember their natural level, right, Like can you
go about Alabama's before Saban Shula era or whatever they had, right,
I don't remember that. It's just I just think of Saban.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Salaman was there long enough now, yeah, and they had
some gene stallings, had some good years. Uh, they're just
not gonna accept it. Down there is the problem and
the problem with not accepting it. Like Kaitlyn Devor is
a really good coach, and so if if whether you
can recruit to the right level, I don't know. And
there was some film of guys like not putting in
maximum effort that was a little disturbing. But if if,

(43:48):
if you're going to give up on a guy number one,
if you because he's not a good fit or whatever.
Is it good? Like you're gonna start going through a
revolving door there, and I would be a little kid
Jimbou Fisher.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I mean they got rid of him, I would'd be
a little seventy million, a little.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Careful and doing it too quickly. I'm not saying he's
the right fit. I just you know, if you're the
AD and you get rid of him, the AD should
probably go to Nastley's Quake Hotel next.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
My naturally flought game one hot take on MSU is
this team is kind of good defense, seems solid in
the offense, should find a groove to be just okay
enough to get eight wins. Chiles gets the Brian Hoyer
serviceable but not spectaorreus spectacular QB award.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
What's weird is I always thought Brian Hoyer when he
was in Michigan State wasn't that good, and that he
wound up playing in the NFL for you know, yeah,
but so now he was good at MSU. My take
on Chiles, though, is is something along these lines, and
I think there's something Chiles needs to understand. I'm not
telling a divisional quarterback exactly what no people enjoy that

(44:48):
way you tell him what to do. Okay, yeah, But
I just think he needs to understand that he needs
to become good. He needs to become what an average
quarterback or good quarter would be with a lot fewer
physical traits before he can let those physical traits really
work for him. In other words, those physical traits don't

(45:09):
help him now, those instincts to put his eyes down
and run and all those things. He needs to become solid.
And we saw some of that. But so as long
as I think it's better off for his long term
development if he is just good and not spectacular and
you know, gets rid of the ball and doesn't take
off all the time and hangs in and it works

(45:30):
on all those components of his game, his chance to
lead MSU somewhere real that people remember him in big
time ways, like you know, the way people think of
Kenneth Walker, or the way they think of great quarterbacks
of certain eras, or you know, his chance to really
lead MSU someplace before he's done is it requires him

(45:51):
at some point becoming pretty good at a lot of
things before he can get there first. And if that
means you know, that's your first half of the season
and you're really trying and you're really trying to develop
in those ways, then do it, you know, And yes
that might mean occasionally not having the twenty five yard

(46:11):
run down to the three yard line. Now I'm not
saying you don't take off and run at times, but
if that's your instinct and it's not gonna help you
ultimately be the best quarterback, you need to.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Be Bulky Bartacamas next after Friday. I'm still really high
on this team and Jonathan Smith program building. Improved line
play on both sides, high potential running game, poise play
a quarterback, new dynamic receivers, mostly mistake free, kept the
play calling basics. So BC doesn't have any film.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
So BC doesn't have any film. Well, there is some
of that. I mean BC did the same thing like
BC didn't, you know, I think for a while I
think BC was careful too. I think there is some
of that. There's gamesmanship. This is a big game for
both programs, these types of games. That didn't BC's quarterback
throw four touchdowns. They struggle to move the ball for
a while in the first half and the second quarter too.
You know, they're playing four ham to a different level.

(47:08):
So what you're saying, is forget what I saw in
the second half. No, no, I'm not telling you forget
that slid. No again, I'm not telling you to feel
any which way. I'm gonna let it slide. Then, I'm
just saying, oh, let's slide. Don't let that be determined.
Don't let that think that they can't be more than that.
But they've got a good start, though they've got to
prove it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, against Western, that's when I thought you'd do it.
Though you prove it then. But Alex Mayor number one
the MSU offensive line actually gives me hope they can
build to a top half unit in the conference. And
two quarterback Procket pocket awareness leaves a lot to be
desired In three need a healthy kicker asap.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
This is the story that I think you know you
saw Ryan Eckley, who more than made up for his
missfield go by the way. He doesn't usually ta fields.
We missed a forty six yard or way wide left.
But he also had two punts down inside like the
three yard line. He's fun. He's an NFL average fifty
one point three yards of puny. He's an NFL caliber punter.
His kickoffs were great, so they're overall they're not losing

(48:06):
on special teams, but at some point you also can't
give up those three points, and I it'll be interesting
to see how that comes into play this week. My
guess is he's still kicking long field goals just based
on what Jonathan Smith they said today. And I just
don't know how many of those you attempt unless you're
really in the lead. If you need three points, you're

(48:27):
going to go for it at this point. C Dubbs
ninety want hot take.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I would rather win a close game where the coaching
staff tries out players at different positions to see what
might work in the future than win by fifty points
and reasonable loved your article on Sam Edwards. Such a
great kid who always does the right thing and deserves praise.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, interesting kid, it was, you know, lanting Catholic former
star there one a state title. And the thing about
a guy like Sam Edwards that it's fun to get
to know and talk to is just a guy who's
sort of been through it all. Recruited by D'Antonio the
end of the melt Tucker area, he's there chosen to
stick around. He has like seven degrees and high level
things from James Madison over at Michigan State. It's gonna

(49:10):
be gonna do whatever he wants in life. But he's
one of those guys examples and you see that now
with this team in terms of leadership, and I think
Jordan Hall falls into this too. Guys who were really
I think will be helped in life by weathering the
end of like the Melt Tucker era and going through that,
and there is a learning of how to lead when

(49:32):
things are at their darkest. And Sam Edwards talked about that,
really understanding what leadership was. We don't have enough time
for all of that, and showing up that season, and
I think Hall showing up continuously last year when he
was hoping to be the guy and they brought in
a transfer and he wasn't. And then this year he
is the guy and you see the player he's become.
I think those are all you know, those are good
life lessons. Skyler Verd.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Next hot take, Michigan beat a group of five team
by seventeen. Michigan State beat a group of five team
by seventeen. Despite that, the narrative is the Michigan team
killed it while Michigan State struggled half of the Big Ten,
barely beat group of five teams by one score. Michigan
State is doing fine.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Did you watch the Michigan game? I did. We had
it on. What were your thoughts? I mean the Lobos covered,
That's all that mattered to me? Right, yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
What was my I don't know, what do you think
of Bryce Underwood? I didn't crush enough tape of Bryce
to see it was he. I didn't see his number,
his final numbers. I'm sorry, but I wasn't expecting you
to have a book report on these what we thought
we had company over. So I was kind of talking.
I mean, like, if you're gonna I mean, well this
is a yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I'm just saying, yeah, I'm sorry. I would have gotten
a better look. Okay, yeah, I mean I look, Michigan
is not a team that had a game beyond expectations.
The thing about Bryce Underwood is I thought he was fine.
You show something, you know, look like a freshman at times.
Over throw Overshoot, some guys has a tremendous fastball, you know,
throws everything like Andrew Maxwell, but not you know, nothing

(51:07):
with a lot of a lot of touch. Obviously a
lot of more athletic ability than Maxwell, and it'll be
interesting when he starts to face some real pressure. I
they were, okay, I think there is more. You do
have more Michigan fan media that is sort of there
to trumpet and build that up and make him an icon. Well, no,

(51:29):
when I'm talking the the built in media, the people
who aren't journalists because they want to be journalists, they
became journalist because they're Michigan fans and they have a
press pass that's a different, different person, and they're just
more of that. Until you hear that if you're on
social media. I don't think uh, I think it was
about what I expected. I don't think it was any
better or worse. It wasn't a team that I looked
at and go to Michigan State can't compete there. There

(51:51):
was none of that really from the Big Ten this week.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
And if Michigan State's offense could have just got you know,
snagged a touchdown or two in the second half, it
was ordered a field goal.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
You know, it's the way things unfold. It was the
second half being so you know, like wait a second,
what lethargic that third quarter really was lethargic, and it
just felt like they lost steam.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Dang it, Bobby Nights number one, the Boston College game
will decide whether we go to a bowl or not.
And two Michigan plays a trash brand of football, NonStop
shit talk and flexing middle fingers at New Mexico. And
three the days of SEC dominance are over since most
don't have rich super fans.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
So this is a take you hear nationally. The idea
that I think it's Colin Cowhard always talks about, like
the Big ten money is real money. The SEC money
is like car dealerships, and you know it's it's uh,
that's it just car dealerships. Yeah, I don't know. It'll
be interesting the year of rev sharing. There could be
a lot more parody. There will be some more parody
because ultimately the schools like Purdue, now, how are going

(52:53):
to have fifteen million dollars to spend on football every year?
Is a base salary And even if you're doing it
perfectly in nil and with collectives, maybe you've got double
more than that, but you still when you talk about
paying a roster of eighty five kids and figuring out
there's gonna be a lot of talent that winds up
a purduing things. There's money an opportunity there, so I
do think there's gonna be also more parody just based

(53:16):
on that as well.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
And by way, by the way back to the Michigan game,
we actually had some Michigan fans come over and I
was I had the TV outside, and I changed the
Tigers game, which was one to one in the eighth inning,
for the Michigan fan to watch the game.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
So that's a household.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
So I didn't get to really like crush tape with
it because he shows up and it was kind of
just making it seem like, oh, yeah, why don't you
have the Michigan game on? But you know, I like
to accommodate when we have company over. I want to
be a dick.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
One thing I thought was, you know, I was talking
about earlier the idea that college football how poorly packaged
it is and all this stuff, and now like it,
I let myself like, in terms of what I want
to watch, I sort of follow my own instincts and
let myself like it's telling in a certain moment on
like Ohio State Texas. I mean, I watched it boring,

(54:04):
but terrible Leeds Newcastle was more enthralling to me. However, however, however, however, however, however,
the next that night, when it was LSU Clemson, which
I actually did get caught up in and chose to
watch that over maybe the Tigers and uh and to
us Open tennis, it was pretty good. And so I

(54:26):
did tell myself, well, it may not be packaged how
I love it, but I'm still choosing this, and so
like it is interesting how certain things happen in certain moments.
It's the Premier League. Soccer just just just absolutely amazing.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I mean I can't argue against that, you know, a
couple of moments, or for our half of football in
those games where it's just it's ass I mean defensively
and you know, Texas, Ohio State, there was nothing really
else on to flip over to. I mean, you have tennis,
but I didn't really say there's nothing or soccer whatever,
so there's you know, other options. But when we were outside,
it just had it out. It was just like back

(54:58):
and forth, back and forth. Defensive it was my favorite
thing to watch. I can't defend it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Win Ohio State Texas was zero zero. People are complaining
about the zero zero soccer game. I would I did
find that a little bit ironic.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I was like, wait a second, what But the difference
is I don't see and take that game and go,
oh man, guys, you're missing out if you don't watch
college football, if you love defensive battles, I go, no,
this first half of this game was complete ass. So right,
whereas soccer people they think every every game is like faster.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I don't think that. I don't think that.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Ew and Harry Aiden's Child next based on Big ten
Week one results, eight and four or nine to three
for MSU looks doable.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
So it was interesting to look around and watch these games.
You watch like Nebraska and a neutral site game and
though mostly their fans against Cincinnati, Yeah, Nebraska looks okay.
I mean that's gonna be a tough game on the road,
but they don't look like world beaters. You watch Minnesota
struggle to separate with Buffalo a little bit, you know,
you're like, ah, that that's a game that Michigan State's
absolutely going to be in. You watch Michigan that that's

(55:56):
a freshman quarterback. You know, thirty four to seventeen against
New Meca Okay, that's you know, and then you watch
UCLA lose like, you know, forty one to thirteen or
whatever it was to forty one. They got hammered by
Utah at home, and you go, okay, that's that.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Northwestern people are on Northwestern two against Tulane.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
They're not on MSU schedule. But yes, that was I knowledge. Yeah,
yeah they were not. They were not. Yeah, so there
were no but there was nothing this week that made
Michigan State's schedule get more difficult. USC had a huge win,
but Missouri State's like a brand new FBS team and
the pick the finish last and the conference USA. I
don't know how much that is that. I guess USC
is one team just based on how easy they made

(56:33):
it look. You want to watch them again. See maybe
they're you know, they're a team, they're a program. Obviously
they put it together. They have some explosive players. They
could be a real challenge. And again, well, if you're
Michigan State when you go to USC, you want to
be three. And oh so that doesn't feel like the
must win this week does because while US is an opportunity.
We talked about the Miami game in twenty twenty one
to have that sort of vibe momentum. If Michigan State

(56:57):
is three and oh and goes to USC and USC
winds up being the next best team on their schedule,
maybe other than Penn State, and they lose on the
road there in a game that they're fairly competitive in,
nobody's gonna say, well, there goes the season. You know
they're okay that Michigan State is not quite there yet.
That was a tough road game. You come back and
you know you got you gotta buye week and you
go to Nebraska and important games Indiana, Like, there's lots

(57:18):
of stuff this week. It feels like that you gotta
get this week done so that week doesn't feel like
a like an absolute must win Jarrett next.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
College football offenses overall have taken a huge step back
due to the transfer portal. Coaches can't run fast paced
spread to have more possessions to score more points like
in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
There's less continuities, certainly, and every even these top programs
is like, you know, this guy transferred from Nebraska, Texas,
A and M everybody's from everywhere. It probably takes long.
I think the offensive lines have really really taken taken
a hit for sure. I mean the place we need
continuity and program development Ben Chulick.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
Next, it feels like this is a must win game
for the Lions this week to avoid the sky is
falling takes from fans and talking heads.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It'll be already. Yeah if they, I mean.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
They guna yaba gita Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Why because Michael Parsons went to the Packers. It's on
the road. I don't I don't see that. The NFL,
like the NFL seasons. We know the Lions are good.
This isn't Michigan State. Like to me, they can lose
this week. And yes, fans may have those takes, may
have those sort of senses, and it may feel that way,
and it may feel that way on social media, but
that's sky is falling. But that won't be reality because

(58:41):
a week later, you know, they beat the Bears and
everybody's like, all right, well they're one and one, a
big deal.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
I mean, you know, the only way you can have
a sky is falling text after one week is if
one of the major players goes out for the year. Yeah,
like a Hutcher golf or something. If you are worried
that you are going to be this person on social media.
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Speaker 1 (59:34):
Money bag.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Next number one MSU taking the foot off the gas
and bringing in backups was always gonna happen, but coming
out and looking decent for the third quarter at least.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Would have made me feel much better.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
And two part of my confidence in Childs making major
improvements was based on me thinking the pass protection couldn't
possibly be as bad as it was last year. We'll
have to wait and see on that. And three guys
like Chuck Brandley are good enough to be playing snaps somewhere,
putting film on tape for scouts. Hope they're happy with
their decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
The pass protection, I think is being a little bit
under I mean the run. The offensive line is being
great on a curve right. It's been so bad for
so long that we have watching Michigan State run block
in ways that we just haven't seen that often. Even
against the team. We don't know if they can stop
the run. I mean Western Michigan give up like might
wind up giving up six hundred yards against the run

(01:00:26):
every week. And this wasn't that impressive. The pass protection
is concerning. It's also concerning because you've got a quarterback
that still trying to develop and build confidence himself, and
his instincts are to flee when the pocket breaks down.
You need good pass protection there. You could argue a
lot of times that's almost more important given the weapons
and receivers. The flip side is an earlier person said

(01:00:46):
is Child's is his best when there's a running game,
and so I think it is a great on a
curve situation. But the pass protections, so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
They're not to blame for the lack of scoring in
the second half, Like, who would you put to, Oh,
I think on put it on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Everybody would put it on. I would put it on
the coaching staff for changing out backs, they went with
tal Tolliver, Who's I don't think based on what we
saw as good as the other two guys that played
in the first half. I think there was a lot
of rotation with the offensive line that caught up with them.
I think some of it was Western made adjustments. Now
Michigan State's got to do that, but it was a
defense that they had never seen a coordinator who had
never been a coordinator before for Western Michigan. So there
was a lot of things they were trying to figure out.

(01:01:22):
And I think some of the adjustments Western Michigan made
in the second half were new things that they didn't
figure out quickly. So I think there's a lot of
different things. But I would be like, I don't think
it was promising, and I think it's one of those
things to keep an eye on. I would be more
concerned about it for Michigan State if the game had
been ten to three and you and they didn't come

(01:01:44):
out needing to and they need, you know, they needed
to show what they had to make sure they won
the game. The game felt in hand, and I think
Michigan State approached it like it, even if they're not
saying it. The Carly ray Jepson of Southern Maine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Next best take, rich Omi Kwan didn't die for you
to not be able to pass block against Western? And
Baked did we abandon Blue Sky already? Sap is lovely
if you enjoy crypto bots.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
He was back on Twitter. I forgot to ask originally
for the hot takes on Blue Sky and oh that's
why there's not so many. Well, no, there are. I
eventually got it out there, but yeah, there were some
people who got and I apologize. It was I don't
know how I forgot that. Usually usually it's like instinct
right away. Did you get trees lastrotios? I think she
just had one. She was really bummed that Bennetti wasn't

(01:02:32):
doing her mind was blown when she was doing a
football game. I had three TVs out and he was
on the what football game? Did he did a college
football game? And she saw him. I don't think she
sent it. I don't worry about it. This is pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
All the Takewakkay is that she was really she thinks
that Bennetti should just do Tiger games like he should
always do them, and she her mind was blown when
she saw, I forget what college football game he did
over the weekend, wasn't instead of the Tigers.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
There was a game last year right where he did
skip his football because it was like late in the
year and they were trying to make the playoffs. And
I look. One of the reasons they got Benetti, and
one of the reasons when you get a guy of
that caliber who's got a national assignment is you have
to let him shure away. And usually it works. Dickerson,
I think something tweeted out or the Tigers tweeted out
that he had his mother's fallen ill or something like that,

(01:03:20):
because usually one of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Them was like, damn, his mom is still alive. That's
pretty wild standing against math on that, which is good
genetics for him means Tigers, I know. But when you
hear that, right, your mind automatically goes like, damn, well,
I mean, mom, how old.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Is he probably sixty five and his mom would been
late in the late eighties, and yeah, so, but what's
what's great about the Tigers is I love you know,
Dan Dickerson as well, and and don't hear them all
that much because I'm off watching the broadcast. So I
enjoy the BENETI breaks usually because you get Dickerson for
a game, and I enjoy that, and when you don't
get him, you really feel it. That's the only time
when both guys are going, it's like, oh wait a secon?
What what? What just happened here? So that's that's why.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
And she doesn't really know or have a past with
Dickerson like we do, because I don't mind when Bennette
doesn't do it as long as it's not the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Apple TV crew.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Those people look like weirdos, looks like AI instead of
like a real game. So if Dickerson were doing a
game on whatever FanDuel network they're on now, it doesn't
bother me. But she just sees Bennetti like, I don't know,
it was just funny to watch her mind. She's like,
I couldn't understand why he was doing a football game,
but if he likes doing them, I don't who cares
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
And as part of his yes, it's yeah, I mean
it's yeah, No, I have some breaking news here by
the way, Oh Mark Gayhee the great U Crystal Palace
defender who I was worried was going to leave the
Liverpool on a transfer agreement. I want one last great

(01:04:45):
ride for Crystal Palace. They couldn't. They came to a deal,
but Crystal Palace couldn't replace him. Glassner, the manager didn't
want it to happen. Gay, he is staying at Crystal Palace.
Fuck Liverpool. That is what we are. Yes, big big news,
big news. Here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
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and I.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Ain't afraid to show it. Show it, show it, show it.
I'm sexy and I know it. Come on, come on, come.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Come on. Oh I thought we were just doing whatever
we want to do on our podcast. Sorry, yea, that
was the breaking news.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
That was it, policies. I was really excited. I just
I want, I want. They're the little guy there, you
know it would be uh not even a little guy,
but there. And it's still going. Sorry, keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Pasy number one. Would have been nice to open the
playbook just to smidge more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
But I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Bonus, Uh that Dami Tucker is a P four player
next year in bonus bonus, you you are forgiven. Jason
or for now, Jason. But just remember Carly ray Jepson shooters,
we're everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I guess, so my bad.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
I apologize for getting her confused with him age weight lady.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
So Natami Tucker is the number eleven for a Western
Michigan who showed up all over the field. And yeah,
that guy is how much does he want? I don't know.
We get him this year? So that's I remember why
Matt shpie, Let's get this done. It was like every
every time he saw somebody in the bathf You're like,
god eleven, that guy, right, that cheat and this, I mean,
that's what that's what's really hard about being a Western

(01:06:21):
Michigan in this world, Like you wind up with this
guy and although he's a senior, I think this. Does
he have another year of eligibility? I think this might be.
I don't know how much he played in twenty twenty two,
so he may have one one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
So maybe he just looks like a monster against Michigan
State and one. I know he was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
It's got you number one.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
In game experience was solid except for the constant flow
of people in and out of seats. It was NonStop
the whole game and two concession lines were terrible half
quarter weight times. This made it very difficult to navigate
the concourse to simply take my.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Daughters to the bathroom. Yeah, I mean people that are
in and out of their seats though, there's got to
be so when I used to go to games with
my dad back in the day, I had it down,
and I'm surprised more people don't do this. I would
be like inside of a minute left to go in
the half, thirty seconds and obviously if one team was
about to score, but I would take my dad's twenty

(01:07:13):
dollars bill and I would head down. You know. It
was the only time I'd get up and I would
get one of the two things I had to do
at halftime, or use the trough and get an ice
cream cookie sandwich with my melting moments. Those are the
two things I had to do, and I had basically
a twenty minute half time to do it. I would
get one of them done, like I would beat the

(01:07:34):
line entirely to the bathroom pretty much, and then get
one of them done by the and then and then
go get the I and then go get the ice
cream with a little bit of a line and then
be back like with like twelve minutes to go in
the half. I'm surprised more people don't do that because
if you wait to sort of mosey out at halftime,
I just can't imagine trying to do two things down
there at once. And I but it seems like during
the game lines shouldn't be that long when action is

(01:07:56):
actually happening. I'm a little surprised this is this is
an issue. I don't really yeah that you shouldn't be
missing half a quarter. And if you're gonna like, maybe
this is the answer. If the concessions are gonna be
this bad, maybe Fox and you get together with all
the commercials and let's let's do a nine minute commercial
break so you don't miss action. We'll all agree in
the middle of the between the third and fourth quarter

(01:08:18):
to nine minutes in a row, like an intermission. Get up, yeah,
get up, do it. You you got kids need to
go to the bathroom. This is the time to do it.
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, you got a DJ, it'scot you number one in
game experiit I read that. Yeah, David Jackson number one.
Very happy with the defense. I hope you see more
of snow too. Having a high tier number two wide
out as a blessing. If Western was taking away the
deep ball, then why didn't Marsh catch more intermediate balls?
And three running backs who give the lookout blocks and

(01:08:48):
pass protection simply can't be on the field. Yeah, I
think this is Tullu's got some grief for this, and
I'll be kidd come on.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
It was brutal. It was bad that one was not
The fumble was not on Childs and I understand he
was sort of you know, facing that way, but you
want him eyes downfield. You you have to pick up
that block. If you're a running back, you have to
chip away. You can't high school ship, right, Yeah, you gotta.
And guys, look, they play and don't play based on
that sort of stuff. It makes a It makes a

(01:09:15):
big difference. It was the reason L. J. Scott was
only in is it like a freshman on in running
situations because they did not trust him to pass protect.
I mean that you know that, and we saw what
the backup quarterback could do, so we have to kind
of I feel bad for a lessio because I actually
think he's a talent and and and the only paths
The best thing that came out of the six sixes.

(01:09:36):
The best thing that came out of it though, was
that people won't be clamoring for you know, it's not
like one of those things is is what a silver
lion is? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I guess it's that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thankfully. No one
will want your backup to play.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
So yeah, he's usually the most popular guy on a team, right,
the backup quarterback, the unknown so to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
But now when he throws the pick six, did not
cover the fucking spread right Kermit the Spartan, I'm worried
about our pass protection. They're like, why with no password,
anyone can get in. At this point, it seems the
only thing they're protecting childs from is success.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Yeah, something to keep an eye on this week. They
got to be better then. It'll be very interesting to
see if they stop rotating like they've rotated basically two groups,
and they move their right side of the offensive line
to the left side, brought in a new group, like
who they want to get down to five guys? I
think that might have had something to do with it.
It'll be interesting what running backs are in there on
third downs if you want to see who they trust

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Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Do you pay attention to PFF ratings? Do you read
other journalists stories on Michigan State sports?

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I do? I do to some degree. Yeah, I do
to some degree. I'm talking about reading. I do pay
attention to PF ratings, and I'll always I trust my
eyes on them. There are times that, like guys, especially
in the offensive line, you go back and watch a
game and the guy rated really well and you watch
it and you're like, I don't know it's but I
do pay attention to and I do read a lot

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of other stories from other people, cause you want to
know what people are thinking and what they're reporting. Now,
not everyone. Like if I'm in on the same interview
and a guy writes about something, I don't tend to
rip on them. With other colleagues, I don't tend to text.
Don't read that. No, No, I do have some text change.
We do rip on each other, which is not surprised
Corey Ostrom.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Number one, Connor Moore will be the starting left tackle
by the big ten opener to Annelu Lafalle and David
Santiago will emerge as the most effective edge rushers and
be a delightful surprise for the MSU fan base. And
three Coach Smith showed nothing on offense and will empty
the clip against BC.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
That's what Jason's counting on. I think Connor Moore see
the clip. I think Connor Moore is really good. I
think that was a great transfer portal pick up and
they've done it. They did a nice job on their
pickups on the on the on the offensive line, there
are several guys who that I thought they're transfers this
year and we'll see how this plays out. But you

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know from Eaton at Corner, Amari Kelly, a couple of
guys in the offensive line like they have, they really
went out and identified some spots and I think hit
and h in week one it showed up mcv oh five.
I won too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Number one not scoring any offensive points in the second
half that is carried over from last season hasn't gotten
enough coverage. Some coaches might need a fire lit under
their ass and bonus Jay Batt's next excitement next assignment
as MSU's ad is to burn the concessions to the
ground and start over from scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Running it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Running out of food before halftime is beyond unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Yes, I mean there were stories about this that both
the TV stations did it, you know, I mean it
was I mean, it's the third party company we hired. Unfortunately. Yeah,
well no, but it was a conference. It's on them.
They oversee it and uh Levy Levy, yeah, and yeah,
this is they got to get this fixed and it's not.
This week could be one thing. It's a big game.
You know. The week you really got to have this
right down is Youngstown State. When you go to Youngstown State,

(01:13:46):
you want to see some things, but you're going for
the experience. You want the spartan football experience. You're going
for the band. You're going because somebody gave you tickets.
You're going to have a melting moment sandwich or a
beer with a friend. You're going for the experience. And
you've got to have the experience right by the Youngstown.
Still you have to wait in line for an hour.
Well that's where you got to get rid of full experience.
But then also leave your seat, like ten seconds before

(01:14:07):
the half. Get a little of a if you get
up at halftime. I don't want to help you. It's
just just eighty thousand, seventy five thousand people all going
to the same spot. I have no like the halftime.
Going with everybody else at halftime does not make sense
to me. If you go on your own in the
third quarter, it should not take you more than ten
minutes to get back. Then nothing should be long at

(01:14:27):
that point. You've got to build a system that's not
too bad. Say goodbye to your loved ones. I'm gotta
see you for a while. Seeah Maddy b Number one.
MSU's pass blocking was underwhelming, but I am far happier
to see improved run blocking. It seems harder to fix
in season. Hopefully it continues to someone. Wake MSU's offensive
coordinator up from his halftime nap. The staff has been

(01:14:49):
outscored one seventy four to eighty three and second halves
since they've been here. That's doubled up by the way
they've been shut out four times and they've only outscored
one of thirteen. Uh outscored one of thirteen opponents, Prairie View. Sorry,
that's unacceptable. Wake up. It's a good number. Now. Some
of that is because as a team they were not

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very good last year, but they also won five games
and only outscored one opponent in the second half. Right, so,
and so far they've beaten six teams and outscored one
opponent in the second half. So it is something to
keep an eye on. And it's again there were reasons
maybe for it last week, although they're not really leaning
into those reasons. And so you got to be better

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this week. You can't. The odds are if you don't
outplay Boston College in the second half this week, odds
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Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Chris up Next. MSU looked much better than the box
score indicated. They hit the cruise control for the second
half and started experimenting, leading to stalled drives. Offense was
able to move the ball with ease. Defense was dominant
barring some niche or nice catches. Hope they can find
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(01:20:17):
Saturday and bonus. I can't tell if the close big
matchups this weekend indicates short term growing pains from the
amount of transfers or it's more indicative of an increase
in parody among the Power four teams in the nil
transfer portal era. Hoping it's the latter, but something to
keep an eye on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
If you're a Michigan state, parody is good like you
want a fewer teams that are always at the top,
and one of the problems with in the prenio even
in the nil era, but in the early stages of
the playoff, when it was four teams that really helped.
I just made Clemson better. It made Ohio State better,
made up Bama better, It made the teams that were
already there just built those brands. I think when you

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can get twelve in, people want to be on playoff teams.
I think it's going to make a difference. I think
you're going to see a lot of different twelves get in.
And I think the other thing is what I loved
is the number of teams playing really good first round
matchups that don't have their whole playoffs ruined. Like I
don't even know what ESPN's doing today because forever it
was Heather Dinwich and I didn't throw Heather under this.

(01:21:23):
She's fine, But all these people were, like, you know,
talking about the angst of the reports on oh are
they out of the playoff after Week one and all
that bullshit that lasted for ten years that I freaking hated.
It was like my least favorite thing in the world.
I should least favorite thing in the world. And now

(01:21:43):
you can't do that because if you're a Clemson you know,
just win all but one of the rest of your games,
and you're going to the playoff. If you're Notre Dame,
you're still okay. You just got to go ten and
one the rest of the way, and you can play
these marquee games. The regular season still matters, but you don't.
There's no incentive not to play these games, and I
think you shouldn't be punished for playing them either.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Scotty Green's al Camino next number one. The offensive line
was better than Game one last year. Omari Kelly is
That dude reminds me a lot of Jade Reid, But
Child's pocket awareness is a major concern. He doesn't feel
pressure the way he should. And two, let's slow down
the Jay Batt LoveFest a little bit. I get he's

(01:22:23):
made a good first impression, but giving him the game ball,
the dude didn't play. Give it to the damn defense.
And three, one more college game Day is unwatchable. Elderly abuse,
Herbstreet acting like he's the first dude to ever own
a dog, Desmond's annoying fucking laugh, and Saban looking like
he'd rather be mowing his lawn just complete ass.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yeah, I mean it falls up against the Premier League
schedule so I don't really see it anymore. But yeah,
some people I like, I liked Lee Corso for a
long time, so I'm I'm I you know, I think
they did you watch it? All clips of it? I
didn't know?

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Was it the most uncomfortable thing you've ever witnessed? The
one where he was sitting in like the movie theater
setting and while he was up, he was staring up
at the screen. The pre taped one. I was glad
it was. I'm glad it's done. I'm glad it's over,
you know, and uh, maybe we do things. A little
five was just sobbing and then they cut the Corso
and he's sobbing, but he's like he's sobbing like in

(01:23:23):
ninety year old sobs, and it's just like, what am
I watching? I just want to watch football and have
like three hours of not having to worry about depressing shit?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Is it that too? Is that too much to ask?
What did you think of the game ball? Going to jabat? Hell? Yeah, dude,
I give him one? Why not that Western game? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Here you go, Jay no points in the second half.
We're working on that, but here we're gonna give you
the game Ballah, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Your boss, he's the new idea. I get it, you know,
I have to. You know, if Jonathan Smith had mentioned
something about the concessions would have been funny, but he didn't.
I was that mon tailgating Jay. I'm here, Look, I
heard good things about that, and I think people will
like that and so ill Yeah, not everything's going to
be a slam dunk and like I didn't, I didn't.
The Caesars sportsbook thing that Alan Haller did, you know,

(01:24:09):
turned out not to be a great fit. But at
the time, the type of revenue he was trying to
bring in the idea, he was thinking, like, I don't
have to defend Hallary. I understood. I understood what I'm
saying with Jay Batt like there are going to be
things that he tries that aren't instant successes that he
thinks are beneficial long term and you have to let
things play out a little bit. So like tailgating is back. Yeah,

(01:24:29):
and I would I would have given that fucking game ball.
I would have given it to the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
No Ethan Charmela next number one. I miss seeing Chris
Fowler on college game day regularly my favorite person to
hear call a game and too. Aiden West and Derek
Simmons will both be a part of the playing rotation
through the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
I do miss Fowler was really I like well, I
like Ys Davis too. They were both great foul. I
love Follow because Follower's on tennis right now. And so
I've always liked Chris Faller because I love him doing tennis,
and so I've always liked his voice. I always liked
when you know, when he trains, when he does, like
in January, he'll fly like straight from the National Championship
game to the Australian Open and he's doing like a

(01:25:09):
day later, he's doing some big tennis match, and this
is a fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Never hear that guy complain. You imagine if Couch had
to do that, it go from a football game to Australia.
That's pretty amazing that he ever complained. For seven figures
on a private flight, I would not complain.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
Actually, I forgot about that. You're probably not frying private
private Australia. That'd be pretty expensive. Why not? It's pretty expensive, man,
I like, yeah, I can't imagine that length of flight
would be done private.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
All right, Richard Kine, Next you want to fix the
MLB postseason. Here's how eliminate divisions. The teams play twenty
nine opponents, six times, three home, three away, one hundred
and seventy four game regular season. Holy shit, two league
winners playing the World Series. Otherwise, GC, you're just gonna

(01:25:56):
have to deal with the occasional annoyance of a team
getting hot at the right time winning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
I don't mind that at all, Like, I don't think
we need this to try and have, you know, limit
the teams, Like I don't mind more teams having a
chance to get in like it is now because I
think it increases fan interest later in the year one
hundred percent into that four though, that's a lot. Yeah,
just looking at that number. Who another, can you imagine
a letter of two weeks of the season even after this.

(01:26:21):
I what I would just like is the postseason to
a little bit more reflect the regular season. That's all
it is. Like the ALDS goes to seven games. I
know it's built for TV, but you only get one
day off in a series like you would in a week.
I just want the things that helped you win in
the regular season to be the same things that help
you win. You need the depth of pitching. And this
may not help the Tigers this year, but I just

(01:26:42):
want those sort of things. And you're gonna get hot teams,
You're gonna it's you're gonna get bats that all of
a sudden get cold. That's absolutely okay. I just want
it to I don't like anything that's too short a
series and too many days off and just not indicative
of the regular season. It should be a similar type grind,
a similar type pace, and if you had that, whatever
happens happens, some dude.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Next to this is a public service announcement for all
Couch in the Room contributors. If Couch misses your takes,
it's not because he doesn't like them. It's due to
Couch being couch. Evidence of this is when I when
I had this great take about overpaying coach Mel Tucker
once upon a time and just resubmitted the following week.
He then declared it such a great take that it

(01:27:25):
was worthy of the Take of the Week. During the
Gift card.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Days, I hope you eventually got that gift card, some dude,
the Gift card Days. Yeah, well, there are times I
don't mean to ever miss it. What's funny is some
people to want to be higher lower in the show.
And sometimes I will start with the take, I'm like,
that's really good. I'm gonna put that pretty high up.
Some money would help. And then and then all of
a sudden, I realized the way I built the show,

(01:27:49):
it's toward the bottom, or you have your and keep
this in mind when you you have a great take,
but your third take is or one of your takes
is similar to a later take that I want to
get into later, so then I move you down. Like
so sometimes if you have one great take, just just
hold it there and maybe don't do a third take,
because sometimes that moves you down. I'm just and again,
why are you telling people that I don't know? Can

(01:28:11):
we take this out fixing? I think I might have
to because this is the worst because not only that,
I don't even do it based on quality. I want
quality throughout the show. Like there are times I'm like,
this is really good. I want this to be able
to anchor toward the bottom, or this really fits the
tone we're going to be in there, you know, I
put I try to put some thought into it. I mean,
you know, it's not it's and so just because you're

(01:28:31):
toward the bottom. Doesn't mean I don't want you know,
I don't think of your take being good. Please take
that out and fix that in post that maybe the
first time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Tell me what you're thinking about the next person's third take. Here,
while you left, where you put them in, where you
put him in? Kurt was Nowsky Number one. Alabama cannot
lose to a five foot eight quarterback. Two MSU was
great in the first half, Charman soft and no hustle
in the second, and three Tigers are eighty and fifty six.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
That's pretty amazing. Well, what about so that's bumped him?
What the Alabama? No, it's the Alabama take number one
versus you'll see KP. The next person has a board take,
and I wanted them in one thing together. So it's
Ai couch boom. It is pretty amazing. Sorry, we just
take the second out. It is pretty amazing. The Tigers

(01:29:19):
eighty and fifty six, because looking at that record is incredible,
isn't it. It's I don't believe it. Yeah, it's I'm
gonna hit the over. I feel good about that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
KP Number one kaylen to Boor will be fired before
the end of the season. Jesus two MSU looks like
a playoff team and three CJ. Daniels catch was nothing special.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
It's pretty good. Hold on Kaylen to board buyout. I
want to see what this is? Yeah, what is that?
More than money? Williams? Holy shit, his buyout is seventy million.
If you're if you're the state of Alabama, which is

(01:29:59):
like an education, you should fix some other things before
you buy out calen to boor get some priorities straight.
That's cheaper than what's his nuts though from jimbo Fisher
is it? Yeah? His was like seventy five seventy million.
That's a that's a lot to buy out, especially in
the day where you've got to pay players and all that.
It's a lot of car dealerships. I would make sure
you were wrong about Klen tofore you got rid of

(01:30:20):
them for seventy million. I'd be like, you know what,
let's try one more year, because really, unless you know
you you have somebody like what'll be interesting is the
guy who was just cleared by Northwestern and the hazing
stuff with Pat Fitzgerald, who I think would be a
fit a lot of places. You know, I think if
Pat Fitzgerald if right now had been Mel Tucker in
twenty twenty three and Pat Fitzgerald was available, and that thing,

(01:30:41):
I think Pat Fitzgerald would have been the Michigan state
head coach. I think Pat Fitzgerald fits a lot of places,
and I don't know if he fits at Alabama. I'm
just saying like if you had unless you really see
somebody out there now and you go, that's that's the future.
We screwed this up. We've got to find a way
out of it. The boor has been really good a
lot of places, and the question with him is, you know,
he's never been somewhere where he's he's been very long,

(01:31:04):
so like, are what level is he recruiting? You know,
long term culture and that sort of stuff, Like I don't,
I don't at the at the highest level. I guess
there are some questions, but you hired him. He took
a team to the National title Game at Washington. I
might just I don't know. I might give it a year.
It may not be great this year, and if it
falls off at some point, you're gonna have to make

(01:31:25):
that call. But I would seventy million. I would be
be cautious.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Ken Chew, everyone is overreacting to the Bama and Texas losses.
They had the guts to go play major conference teams
and true road games. We shouldn't assume that they're trashed
just because they lost, and we shouldn't and we shouldn't
have a sham related a lot of it, you know. Yeah,
we should assume people the winner are great. Sometimes those
teams are ass and yeah, no, I like Florida State.

(01:31:51):
It'd be interesting to see what their roster. I mean,
their asters had a lot of turnover since then. But
you know, two years ago they were playing for a
playoff bid, right that was I wouldn't Bama did not
look good though, they did not look in posing up front.
And now that's Chris cup Uh Kapolovic, the former Michigan
State Sorry the uh that's the former MSU offensive line

(01:32:18):
coaches didn't poll well for him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
M r w n D Next.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
I was chesty about MSU after the first half on Friday.
The second half was concerning Justin Thinn swears we were
keeping the game playing vanilla intentionally, which has become my
new least favorite annual take of his Are we good
or are we ass.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Oh? That's what Finn did that. Yeah, you don't want
to have too many annual takes. I have a few
annual takes. It annoys people, So let justin know, maybe
maybe back off that annual take because it's not always right. Yeah,
I think I think it's TBD and I don't think
and I think it's somewhere in the middle too. I
do not. I do not think this is a bad team.
I think there's too much defensively that was promising. I

(01:33:02):
think there's too much character in certain ways. I think
they're too good at receiver. I think there's some steps
up on the offensive line. Like I don't. They're not
going to be a bad team. I don't believe. The
question is how good are they? And that we don't know.
And some of that can depend on how childs, how
good childs can be. And there were some things in
the first game that make you go eh, And so

(01:33:24):
we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
We'll see game two, mister ben jen number one, hell
of a game by seventy two. Caleb Carter got out
to block next level linebackers, sealed off the holes and
led the first touchdown run.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
MSU might have an old line and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Two Chiles has the accuracy of a musket man on
a tilta whirl. I've heard that one before, all right,
so many completions were wide or behind the receiver. And
three these corners have the ball in the air awareness
of a blind and drunk chicken crossing the road.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Not a fan of if somebody's like a whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Yeah see, never gonna catch me, cap. But you see
it's almost like it's it's pretty close to your Uh yeah,
I got Caleb Carter.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
I do want to highlight this, uh playing right guard
quite a bit like Western Carolina transfer another guy that
get out of the portal. It just look really good
and uh, just the ability to identify those guys quickly,
and they seem to have done a nice job with this.
And and this is important because one of the real
big things you have to do now is a staff,

(01:34:32):
which will determine whether you're a great staff in the
revenue sharing era where you have to decide your resource
and who you're gonna get. You got to be able
to go find an offensive tackle or offensive guard from
Western Carolina that fits, it's really good, that's ready to
take you know, like that stuff matters your ability to
identify talent and and get the right guys. You cannot
just go overspend with everybody, and even if even if

(01:34:53):
the money becomes even if you wind up having more
money than a lot of people, it's just hard to do.
And and I think the earlier turns on their their
their transfers are really good. Couch on Fire.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Next, my three takes on Michigan State number one, child's
accuracy and decision making it still subpar. Two defense improved,
but the best defensive end was on Western and three
punting still a strong suit for the program. And bonus
Parsons to Green Bay. Seems Tigers and Lions want to win,
just not championships. Yeah, I'm hearing this a lot, like

(01:35:24):
they're not making the move. But but did we call
and find out what the asking price?

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
And well, let me ask you this paying what they're
paying him a year now, he's just entering his prime.
I'm not saying it's it's it's wrong, but with all
the guys they have to pay, Like, could the Lions
even do it? I don't even know. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm just wondering if we make a
call as all. Yeah, and maybe they maybe they did,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
I would love to try to figure out having a
Micah Parsons on the Cors correct and not the Packers correct,
right like I think I would like to try to
figure out what they would want. Yeah, I mean it
is Jerry Jones. Matt c number one under Jonathan Smith
MSU has scored. We were over thirty once against a
power five team in thirteen games. It's pathetic for a

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so called offensive genius head coach. And two Child's improved
decision making doesn't mean anything if the offense can't score
at least thirty a game and you fumble twice a game,
needs huge improvement next week. And three, if we didn't
have a bum Ad and Haller, we'd have we' didn't
year we?

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
What the fuck is he saying?

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
In year two of urban Meyer was Sam Levitt as
our quarterback competing for the Big ten title?

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Sam Levitt throw a pick, you know, and it's a
not great opponent for So you mean if Alan Haller
was never the ad, we'd have Urban Meyer and Sam
Levitt right now? Yeah? I thanks a lot, Alan, I
don't know. Yeah, Ishbia might have hired Bradley Beal to
be the to be the coach I don't know if
that's that's where you want to go. I yeah, I'm
not gonna like Ishbia's influence. He has to sit out.

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It's like a penalty box he's got until the Phoenix
Suns are a little less dumpster fire because of sort
of the new owner syndrome, you know. And and I
can fix everything through like if if, if you want
to do that with Michigan Satan money and he wants
to spend that way through the roster and everything else,
then then then then you listen. But man, what he

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did to the Suns, like there's a there's a real
question with personnel. I don't, I don't. I'm not gonna
shoot on Ishbi. I mean he's he's done a lot
of good. Keep it going the Sun you would not
There is no team you'd rather not be more than
the Phoenix Suns. And is the owner and so like
I that's all. That's all. Here's why Matt asked. But
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like his would

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get subscriptions, personnel decisions. He's gone through a number of
head coaches. They have they have not. I mean it's
not you know, flight problem with Matt. That's all only
spos Matt with one T number one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Big Big John Hogg number one A v S is
Alex Van Summer in couch.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
Sorry. The brief aation stuff get me every time I
don't know these things. Everybody starts abbreviating stuff and I'm
like way behind the times. Felt like that was an
easy one. Dude balled out on Thursday to you. Stadium
experience was good. We knew sorry and on on the
copy paste.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
My bad lines for concessions were very long and three
keep the lats coming. Eventually he'll be a Wednesday guest
end bonus. Got got by Wells Hall preacher. They they
are the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
What's that I don't know? Wells Hall preacher, those people
that preach the Jesus outside and we're getting all this
stuff that's like you're gonna look it up. I am
Wells Hall preacher. Oh it's a Michigan State thing. Preachers
on ms u's campus and they've been preaching around but

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hell and determination. You're well, you're praising, you're giving the Lord.
Yes I do, I say I say his name a
lot during game. You are the Wells Hall preacher. Yeah,
that's that's gambling related. That's what I'll tell the Wells
Hall preacher h d Animal next number one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
If we played the whole game like we did the
first half, I'd say we're gonna go eight and four
or better. Instead, I'm thinking six or six or five
and seven again. And to people who sit at their
table at restaurants for twenty plus minutes after they've paid
their check, while there is clearly a weight, are incredibly selfish.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Yeah, you gotta know your surroundings if you're gonna do that,
or you gotta let them know. Like yeah, but it
goes both ways. Like we were at B Dubs like
last weekend. I was like mid bite and the guy's like,
way for your check? Like, damn, dude, can I just
like finish my meal? Like what is happening here? No?
And you can let them know. I mean, there are
times we're here to hang. We're gonna linger, it'll be
reflected in your tip. We may orders to do. Yeah,

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so we're just be here for the long haul. Yeah.
So I think if you're just hear yourself, you see
in this face, and sometimes you're there to see people
in the weight is not your prouse? Why do you
have to loiter for two hours at a restaurant. I'm
not changing it for two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
That's why the chairs are made. You know, they're uncomfortable
for a reason, so you eventually get your ass out
of there. Let other people sit out. That's chairs are
an uncomfortable restaurants for that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
Ye Oh, by the way, we're gonna be here for
a while. Like who's who would say that? Well? I
do sometimes. I know it's terrible, but I tip reflectively.
I make your your I tip based said, okay, because yeah,
you tip based on time instead of fifteen Oh like
what you tip based on time? Dude, that's COVID tipping
fifty percent. Well, you just tip based on time. It's
like I never For example, when I was point of

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going out anymore. When I was in college, I used
to go to this place called the South Loop Club
on stateon Balbo in Chicago, and they were it was
a four am bar. Sometimes we'd closed out the night before,
gone back to the residence halls, and then it'd be
eleven am Central time kickoff and I'd be back over
there to watch the games. I did not want to
drink anything. I didn't want to eat anything. Yet like,
and I would sit there and I'd look at the

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I get like a you know, diet soda and a water,
and I would just, you know, maybe I have a
six dollars, you know burger at some point, and I'd
be there for three and a half hours taking up
a table. But then I would tip, like we'd order
all the John Freeberg, you tip a ton, you know.
And I had my parents' credit card, and I'd be like, here,
I'm gonna lay this sucker down in charge, charge my folks.
Let's go. Let's sixty bucks. Let's do it, you know,

(01:41:14):
Let's let's make that you pay. You pay for your time, all.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Right, uh Hans Jergen. Next number one, unhappy with MSU's performance.
But before I go nuclear, I'll wait until we see
how they do against BC. That is the swing game
of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
And two, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Fixate on those who don't give you love, concentrate on
those who do. And three, msu second half offensive performance
was as horrid as Graham's columns, how do you like
my nightmare sports season? Parlay, Yankees win the World Series,
go Blow wins the football and basketball Natties, and the
Steelers win the Super Bowl. One quarter twenty five cents

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pays one hundred thousand. Yankee fans are as obnoxious as
go blow fans.

Speaker 1 (01:41:59):
Here's the problem. Once you put it out there in
the world, you have to do it in case it happens,
because then you'd be like, wait, I could ad one
hundred grand for a quarter. I just don't think that
one's so ridiculous. The Steelers aren't going to do it, yeah, yeah,
and the Michigan's not going to do it with the
freshman quarterback. So I mean they're the Yankees obviously could
win the World Series. Michigan basketball looks like a heck
of a roster. You never know, like there are two
of those that could. But save your quarter, Yeah, spend

(01:42:22):
it on one ninetieth an LSJA weekly subscription.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
But nineteen ninety nine, two days after Jake Hawkins number
one went to the MSU game Friday night, felt good
to have a nice, crisp, cool fall weather. A beautiful
day for football indeed, but a new thing about going
to the game. Media timeouts are ass, especially especially since
there's so many Hey trees, there's your next t shirt idea.

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
Media timeouts are ass I love it's a little wordy.
I don't know. College is less worthy than college football
is a college reps are ass same.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
It's really not uh to my game analysis. Defense look
great not allowing a single point offense had their moments,
but concerned with putting up just two points in the
whole second half. Here's an idea. Put thirty plus points
on the scoreboard first, then rotate offensive line guys in
to try him at different positions.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
And three.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Hey, Brad Holmes. While I love what you've done with
the Lions this far, still think it's okay to have
just one edge rusher, still wanting to ride with Marcus Davenport. Okay,
but look at what your Green and Gold Division rivals
just did and getting Micah Parsons. They ain't fucking around.
An extra take, extra extra take is Jerry Jones becoming

(01:43:39):
incompetent s Nile and possibly having dementia while also being
cheap and chilling on your James Bond yacht. He bought
the Cowboys in eighty nine for one hundred and forty million,
Green Bay gave MICHAEH. Parsons ninety seven percent of that
guaranteed America's team.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
Huh. Jake is not happy about this trade. Yeah, I mean,
I I am always you know mine. I feel if
he had dementia, though, you just pay it like you
wouldn't even fight with it. That's right over the cap
and not realize it. I do also think, like if
football players, I feel differently than some other sports. You know,
I feel I'd save half the roster till week eleven

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or whatever. And chances are Michael Parsons to be out
for the year by week five. So I don't know
that you want to ever spend that much on one
dude on defense. It just I know, but a guy
at that level, he's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I'm just saying I understand other guys, but man, Michael Parsons,
is that one guy you go hmm and finally upperduct
your guy. I have no idea how good the Spartans
will be after that game. The run game was encouraging though,
And bonus, the voggy dyslexia is nos foe ebitch.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I think it's having dyslexia is a bitch, is what
he was saying, which, yeah, but phonetically put it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
If you had dyslexia, this is what it would look
have voggy dyslexia is, and I think.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
He said a good thing. I mean, after all that
Michigan State football takes the idea of not he did
a good thing here, but he has no idea how
good the Spartans will be after the game. But the
run game was encouraging that like that is? That is
one you have no idea though your.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Team can't score a point in the second half after
last year, what the offense did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
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