Ep. 1068: Hot Take Monday: MSU football joy, U-M football and Lions misery

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Speaker 1 (00:43):
All up, all all love. Wow, oh oh oh oh.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What do you get when you cross a know it
all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man. Yeah,
well I'm just not sure about that right now? Well,

(01:59):
how m the room?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
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Speaker 2 (02:52):
Go out there, play hard. Stick your cleads so far
up their grasses.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
That they've got to use the CLEAs to brush your
teeth with.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Up buddy, what do you got going on over there?
You got two laptops? Is that our key? Are you
using one laptop just for the r key? Or what?
You look like? You're really important over there? If you're
watching on YouTube, Couch has two laptops.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I have a MacBook that doesn't work with the archy,
so I'm using, uh, the paper weight also known as
a del for other other things.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
And I just look over. We're getting ready for this yard,
look over and Couch is just like slamming the table.
He's all like throwing his hands on. Is he al right? Here?
Just his favorite team one over the weekend, the Michigan
State Spartans. By the way, do you see Chad Lats
getting a Jay Batt Chad Lats getting a one on
one with Jay bat before for Graham Couch? That's pretty wild.
It's pretty you see that. I couldn't tell what's ai anymore. No,

(03:42):
I think it's real. I understand. I think the picture was,
but there was some video of like I think.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
He bet to take a picture and it was on video.
That makes sense that the checks out, So that's what
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Jay was he going around. He was shaking hands with everybody, right, Like,
how did lats get a one on one? I figured
there would be people crowding Jay batting question. Well, I
think he walks around and you know, babies and yeah,
that's right, that's smart, and you know, you see like
get your face out there and you gotta have a
conversation when you see Latin sessions were an abomination the
last week, so you got to get out there and

(04:12):
apologize to people. I was reading about that. My god,
that was embarrassed people. People were happier this week with
the concessions. So that that is the if you were
running a concession stand. Let's just say, for like a
high school game, and all of a sudden, the food
wasn't ready and you're about to let fifty thousand people
into your high school football game, right, a little panicky.
I'm just saying, it's pretty wild. I'd be like, all right,

(04:33):
I think we're gonna have to have some hot dogs
ready for these people.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
It contracted it out to a company that does this though,
So it wasn't like this is some church groups.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
It ain't. I know. I'm just trying to make it smaller,
a smaller version of it, because it's pretty obvious that
you're gonna need to have food ready for a ship
ton of people and be able to serve booze. But anyway,
when I'm starting off with that, yeah, I'm just a
depressed Lions fan. I wanted to do this show last night.
We should have would be easier, it would have been
the last show though. We should have done it. We
should we should have done it last night. Yeah, even better.

(05:00):
Gonna text you but then yeah, next time do so. Anyway,
are you all right? Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. I
will say that this this is gonna be a good show.
We have a lot of hot takes and a lot
couch wasn't prepared for one hundred and fifty hot takes.
We are going to have to restructure some things in
football season. I forgot what should we just have a
hot line like because we can't get to all of

(05:21):
them and we play like an audio hotline or would
that be bad? We can't take phone calls? That would
be ridiculous. No, we don't want that. We don't want that.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
If if some some of our listeners speak the way
they write, we don't want them on the hotline.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
No offense to you guys, No offense. Thank you for
producing our show. Now your ship get it together.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
We're gonna have to go back down to like the
one taking, maybe a bonus take and try to keep
it pithy because it was a lot today.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But yeah, well you guys care, and you guys have
to be critical of the listeners. I'm gonna be critical
to listen. It's more a criticism on you not being
prepared for first week of NFL Michigan State wins and
ot and couches. Is baffled that we're getting a ton
of people. It's a nice thing. It's a good it's
an amazing thing. I'm not This has nothing to do
with preparedness. This has something to do with hours we

(06:09):
have to do a show, and it's just not It
is what it is. So with that said, do you
want to before we get into arctics and do you
want to do you and if you'd like to get
in the Michigan State thing. I know you post this
in a time azo Facebook groups. They probably don't want
to hear my freaking my lion's tangent. I mean, it's
really not a take week. It's weak. I mean, it's
week one. I just am so sick of people telling

(06:32):
me how you you're supposed to just sit back and
watch that game yesterday as a forty six year old
fucking guy wearing a Brian Branch jersey jersey of a
twenty three year old guy who's a badass. By the way,
stupid penalty, but he's a bad ass. But you know
what I mean. And now I'm sitting there, and now
I can't criticize, you know, Angeloni. He's sitting there, you know,
and he played well, yes, Skair, I thought he was
all right, pff graded out okay, But I mean, it's

(06:54):
just sitting there, you can't criticize how bad the lack
of pass rush wasn't a nomination. And Calvin Sheppard, I know,
it's just one game and the Packers. I don't even
know if the Packers, the Packers d did look good.
Other than that, I don't know if the Packers are
the scariest team ever. But I just was really concerned
with Calvin Sheppard. And why is Aiden Hutchinson a guy
that we can't even we can't get any pressure on

(07:16):
the quarterback? Is dropping back into coverage on a tight
end on a third down? On defense? What are we
doing here? And with Jared Goff and Jared Goff? Is
this offensive line? I mean, Glasgow is fucking terrible. But
here's the thing. We knew this what happened yesterday. The
fan base we were like, Wow, I think we're going in.
We're staying pat, standing pat with our guys. Is this

(07:36):
a good thing? Glasgow? I mean, anybody we knew that
he hasn't been good in years, and we're gonna sit
there and then throw a rookie in next to him
at tackle and hold on.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Jared Goff doesn't get a say Jared Goff's getting paid
like a top five quarterback and he's a top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
He can't be on the move, Jared.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
He doesn't get to say he has to be perfect,
no matter who you have to be blocking for him.
You want to make fifty five million a year, you
get what you get, and you gotta be great. You're
paid to be great. You don't get it. You don't
get to say you don't get to complain. You betta
be great no matter who's in front of you.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm understanding that. I'm just saying, but there's things that
he's limited too. As much as he wants to be
great and has to be great, if everything breaks down
around him, He's not like the guys you saw last night,
Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen that can hop on their feet
and get out of situations. You know, when when Jared
Goff does that shoulder turn to his blind side, I'm
just like, every time it makes my balls cringe. I
just I'm like, ah, I can't handle it. But here's

(08:27):
the thing. I'm not gonna overreact to that Green Bay game.
I'm not. I'm not off the bandwagon. I mean, it
was terrible. How else are we supposed to discuss that
fucking game yesterday? We have to talk about it. It
was an abomination. They gave up. They sat there and
ran on third and sixteen, Like I just and why
were the starters in after they're down like three scores.
There's no reason to have Golf or Gibbs or any

(08:48):
of those guys in there. If you're gonna sit there
and give up in the third quarter, why there are
they in there doing all this stuff in the fourth
quarter in time that it didn't even matter. But here's
the thing, Graham, play the Bears this weekend. The Bears
have a short week. The Bears play tonight. The Lions
are ten to zero against the spread in the games
following a loss. So if this happens and it's at home,

(09:09):
So if this happens again and we reconvene on Monday,
then I cannot We can start panicking because I'm already
panicking a little bit because Calvin Shepard, I don't know
what he was doing. Right So it's the sky falling. No,
but it doesn't look great right now. It looked it
was such an uninspired that's it. It's okay, stop right there. Yeah,

(09:30):
you're all over the place. Oh yeah, that's that's what
I do. That's my take. Okay, Okay, how do you
pick out of that what you need? Okay?

Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I want to start there. I think the concern
was that, for the first time in a while, the
Lions look like an uninspired side. They look they look
like they look like that's the problem, right, They looked,
they look they looked like they ran into a team
that was just waiting for this moment, and they had
all the momentum energy.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
And we gave it to him. We shot ourselves in
the foot. Though. I don't think like if we would
have lost twenty seven to twenty four, I would have
been okay with that. I would I would have come
in here and been a completely different person, Like, you
know what, that's a tough game one. It sucks we
lost at Lambeau. Green Bay seems like they're a good team,
but we just kept shooting ourselves in the friggin foot.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
The good news is for the Lions is they have
the Bears next week and I think they're better than
the Bears at home. The bad news for the Lions,
you know, they have to win that game because after
that we'll see the Bears tonight. We'll see Yeah, yeah,
they have to they have to win that game. It
was it was disheartened. It was a disheartening start. It
was all the concerns wrapped up into one. But it's
also just week one, and I think that the Lions

(10:30):
have earned the right for people not to panis.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, but I don't want to hear that it's just
week one. I don't care if it's week one or
week sixteen, fifteen, fucking whatever. You show up uninspired like that.
I have a problem with that. That's the problem. I
have to get it. We're gonna lose games this year.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
The good news is most people didn't see the first
half because it was up pick into al Choriz Center
in the US, third TV and the Lions. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
By the way, we were like a Boston College overtime
victory away from this being the worst show of all time.
I mean, the tight we'll get to the Tigers, but
holy hell, between them, the Lions and Michigan State would
have lost that. No tea, it still might be the
worst show of all time. I wouldn't, you know, no,
I mean the quality of shows ass but I'm saying
of just having to deal with and all this stuff,
and you know, but thank you Michigan State. But well,

(11:12):
by the way, that that Elchrest Center was going to
be the most entertaining thing I saw this weekend presented
by Infinity until that Buffalo Baltimore game Sunday night was incredible.
I was you didn't see it. By by the way,
USC at eleven PM that was just announced to.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Michigan Okay, so people, it's like ducking to my mother here.
I'm sorry, I'm fired up over the place.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Brought up Michigan State. I didn't, right. Maybe you didn't
bring up Michigan State. You just said eleven P. I
didn't bring up Michigan. That's like my mother telling a story.
This is like you don't give the characters and then
you give the plot, and it's confusing. Listen, I'm fired
up here. I'm sick of people telling me that we
have to be patient and all this bullshit. The Tigers
rebuild the Lions. He's like, yo, be patient. What do

(11:58):
you doing after one game? You can't jump? I can
because guess what, there's not another fucking game till Sunday.
So I have to do something. I'm sorry. Go ahead,
I get you some mgs here the uh yeah mission.
I'd like to, but you like doing shows on Monday.
God damn one thirty, so I can't do any.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
I'm up for Sunday nights. You you you holler at
me anytime you want.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
To Sunday nights if you think there's MG's flowing. That's
what I'm saying, all right. Michigan State Football, eleven PM.
The USC game on the road. That is a That
is just there's any cocaine dealers out there, hit me up.
I'm gonna need them. It's not it's not a problem.
I just need it on the twentieth. That is incredible.
That is not a reoccurring thing. Yeah, one time cocaine
by That's incredible. But yeah, no, that game was by

(12:37):
far the most entertaining thing I saw this weekend. It
wasn't though, Well, you're just bringing tennis into this. I'm
talking about the Bills, oh ship. Yeah that was a
good game through Yeah, okay, yeah, sorry Jesus, I'm telling you,
this game ruined my frigging day. Yesterday I do a
live read and I can't even get it in. I

(12:58):
will do a live read later. We'll come to the
read inspired and speak and Slarry inspired. All right, all right,
let's say Graham, Graham, Graham.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Let's get this on the rails and talk some Michigan
say football for a minute. The I think the Michigan
State win was the most important win for MSU maybe
since Penn State twenty twenty one. Like it was that
big a swing game, and in the Penn State game

(13:28):
was a different type of game. They'd had this great
year and they'd sort of fallen off for a few
weeks and they sort of recalibrate, and it felt like
a really big event.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
This.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
There will be bigger games than this, there will be
more important, but this felt like a big game. This
felt like a swing game in the season. The mood today,
can you imagine, I mean, the way you feel about
the Lions and the way a lot of people I
mean this, The mood today would have been so dire,
and you would have had this two week build up
to USC, who looks like they could be a tough team,

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and a game that you feel like you gotta win
one of these. Now you're two and oh, you're gonna
be three and oh because Youngstown State is not really
a competitive team at the same level, You're gonna go
to USC and it's gonna feel like an opportunity. Same
for Nebraska. And it's not that you don't need to
win some of these games this year, because outside of
Penn State, maybe every game on the schedule is winnable,

(14:19):
and Penn State at Spartan Stadium, there's a pretty good
track retorative competitive games from Michigan State there too, so
gonna be a chance in a lot of these games.
I think the most promising thing that came out of
this game in terms of that was the way they
executed down the stretch offensively. Because you're going to be
in a ton of games that are decided close. You're

(14:40):
gonna be on the road at usc you can be
on the road at Nebraska, you got Indiana on the
road shortly after that, Michigan obviously, and if you're gonna
win those games, you're gonna need that version of Aidan
Chiles that you saw in overtime, where he's checking the
right places, where he's making the right throws, where he's
accurate on a two point conversion when the guy is

(15:00):
running away from him. You're gonna need the version you
saw throughout the second half offensively from Brian Lindgren. You're
gonna need that version of the offense. The defense. I
have some sympathy for the defense in this sense. I
think that Loaningingen the quarterback from BC has been candidate.

(15:22):
Like what I saw from him, and what I saw
from that offense from Bill O'Brien in Boston College was
the best sort of quick passing counter to what they
were running defensively, I'd seen since Kaylin de boorr an
Indiana and a young Michael Pennox in twenty nineteen where
that Michigan State had this defense. It was like everywhere

(15:44):
they wanted to go, there was an immediate counter for it.
It felt like that now this defense may be just
so flawed that it's easier to do that against them,
and we'll find that out. But I also think we're
gonna find it go either way. I think we're gonna
find out this is a pretty good quarterback, maybe as
good a quarterback as it gonna face all year. Really,
I just think that he just looked really good to me. Now,
if Michigan State goes out and gets torched by the

(16:05):
young Sound State quarterback and wins a shootout there because
they can't defend that guy or they get you know,
it really goes badly at USC and Nebraskan week after week. Defensively,
we may find out otherwise, But just there were some
signs that they've got a pretty good deal going. That
doesn't mean what MSU has defensively is is adequate to
be in contention, they have some real problems getting to

(16:26):
the quarterback. They did not pressure him enough to say
I'm looking at the sack sack here. It's a problems everywhere,
and it's a problem we thought could be there coming
into the season, and so far it looks like a problem. Again,
there's some things that look okay. They were better in
the second half than in the first half. I think
they tackle pretty well in space for a team, which
is good. I think they stopped the run pretty well

(16:47):
for a team. So those are all things they'll they'll
have to lean on, but they're not going to be
great because if a great defense can get to the quarterback,
and a quarterback who's well protected is always going to
look better than one that's not. And so I think
that that's just an issue. Offensively, though, there are some
things you really have to like. Number One, child's playing
his best game at Michigan State and a guy and

(17:08):
Chiles is a guy that until this point had been
sort of more tantalizing than productive. And then you get
Nick marsh and I think this was a big moment
at Halftimes, literally saying give me the damn ball, which
good for him absolutely, because he is one of these
It is is a special talent who ought to be
featured and great coordinators are not a feature of these guys,

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and they have enough weapons that it shouldn't just be him,
and you should be able to take advantage of attention
on him. But they're like Omara Kelly is a really
good player, a fantastic college football player may get a
cup of tea in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Who knows. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Nick marsh is a guy that there just aren't that
many of them in the college game. There aren't that
many of those guys in football, and you put the
ball in his hands and good things are going to
happen just about every time. That guy needs to have
I know he had quite a few targets. I think
he had like twelve fourteen somewhere around there. Caught five passes.
But he he's a guy that needs to be featured

(18:05):
and moved around and a bigger part of what you're doing.
And so I'm glad because immediately in the second half
they get aggressive and you see the results.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
And I'm glad we withheld all those plays against Western
in that second half.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Smart it was like, it's a big win, it's a
promising win, it's it's not a flawless win, but it's
a win. That's a mood changing win. It's a program win.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It's a positive for the offense, but as defense not
getting it, it's a positive any sacks and I know
loner again. You know he plays what stand for next week,
So it's not like we can see next week. I
know it's on the road. But Stanford's garbage Stanford. That
is right in ads.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
In a season that's gonna have eight or nine toss
up games, you won the first one, ye and that's
that's a big deal. It's a it's a massive deal.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
And but there was those moments that we talked about
that we're gonna need from Chiles, and I think he
did show some of those wild moments with his feet.
He delivered aren't sometimes but you know, like you saw
those moments, You're like, aha, it was the same moment, right,
it was checking.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Into a running play that led to a Makai Fraser
thirteen yard run in overtime, Like that's that's a really
good smart play by him. And it you know, he
was and sometimes he's not as accurate as he needs
to be, and he was more accurate and they he
was accurate deep and he's got some playmakers that can
make up for some stuff when he's not perfectly on point.

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But you got to use those guys, and they finally
did in the second half. The running game was there again,
which I think is a positive when you get you know,
Mackay Fraser averaging what four point six four point eight
yards a carry again like that looks like it's something
they're gonna be able to lean on to some extent. Again,
we don't know exactly what Boston College is. You find
more out as the season goes along. I wish this
week wasn't happening the way it is. I know, people

(19:46):
enjoy the exhale. It's it's it's uh, you know, they're
two to zero and all that stuff. It's had some stats,
but Young Sound State it's a waste of time, Just
a freaking waste of time. They need to stop playing
these games. It was one thing back when these teams
had yeah, sixty three scholarships and Michigan State at eighty five.
But they had some pros because what they had that
the big schools didn't have was an immediate transfer portal.

(20:07):
You could go there and play right away. So they
get some guys on some of these teams that were
there were special talents that didn't want to sit out
or have been in some trouble somewhere or whatever. You've
seen a lot less of that, and young sound state
it's not a program the program they once were twenty
years ago or whatever. I'd like to see this sort
of game go away. Sort of waste of time this week.

(20:28):
But better to waste time to and zero than when
you replace them another Max school.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, just play so that would that be competitive either?
I mean much more than this.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
At least you're playing eighty five scholarships. This will be
this will be ugly. It's a waste of time, but
it'll be fun, will it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah? Tailgating should be fun. You know. The experience there
seems like it's going to be good. Yeah, wearing you
must go out three and oh you'll go home three
and oh yeah. It will not be as entertaining as
forty to forty, which I will call that then the
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Do you have another take?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
When start a day Zevie steining for the Detroit Pig
a scampling day? And yes, so, well, if we're going
to talk about the ship show from the Lions, we
have to talk about the Tigers, who are also a
shit show. Losing to the White Sox yesterday, losing nine
out of their last thirteen. What do we make of

(22:05):
this team? Everybody I talk to that I respect with
a baseball mind, speaking to Jeff Heward, Jeff Heward notes
ball even he doesn't know. He's like, I don't think
they're gonna beat anybody in the playoffs. I've never seen
anything like it where you look at the standings and
your team is in first place in the Central they
have one of the best records and not only the
AL but in Major League Baseball, and yet I'm like

(22:27):
depressed by them on a consistent basis. And the season's
almost over and we have the Yankees on the road
and the Marlins the next six What are we supposed
to This? Is it the weirdest team you've ever had
to root for? Like, it just feels so fucking weird.
I should be excited about this team, excited about the playoffs,
but I'm not. I'm just like, Eh, this team looks

(22:48):
like shit. You can't lose games like this to the
White Sox. I don't care if they've been hitting better
than their last ten or anything like that. I'm just
just an absolute bummer to have a team with a
great record. We want baseball, all quality baseball at this
time of year.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't care that they're losing the White Sox. I
care how they're losing, because because every the best team
again loses sixty games and the worst team wins sixty
and you lose the series. To the word, this is
not just one game. Correct, Yeah, you know what I mean.
But we're just not built as society to react well
to baseball. The problem is that you can't react to
football better either. I just say a word sound this

(23:23):
is more coherent at least. But I'm just gonna say
whatever I feel and you figure it out. When you
have Morton and Flaherty, you basically have the same pitcher
right now, where it's like, is it gonna be great?
Is it gonna be awful? I think that's the only
hope for the postseason is that you wind up with
one of the top two seeds, and then that allows
you to pick two scooball days in a five game

(23:45):
series because you're gonna have what they have, four days
off between each game or something like that, and the
bullshit postseason and then and then beyond that, you got
to get one great game out of Morton and Flarerty,
and maybe you do. And the other thing you're gonna
do is you're gonna use Melton or you're gonna use
somebody if forget I know you always like that. Maybe
you get a good minse. What I mean is if
somebody struggles, you're not gonna let them pitch six innings,

(24:06):
you fall by in three nothing, those guys are gone
in the postseason, right, so it gives you a chance
to stay in games. You didn't think they're gonna beat
the Astros last year, we didn't. We didn't see that coming. Certainly,
the the O six shitty ass Cardinals that won the
World Series are evidence that can be done and you
can you can absolutely suck.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
And when I need to talk to Cardinals fans where
you feel in the same way and O six with
that team where you're just like I, but that team,
you know, right, what was their record? Did they have
eight wins? Okay? Yeah, it shouldn't even be in the postseason.
It's just a weird, weird feeling, right because baseball, like
you said, it's hard to react to these kind of things,
because baseball can get wonky with this. But if you're

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sitting there, you know, ending the season, you can't lose
these games to the White lose a series to the
White Sox.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Just yeah, if they if they if they bow out
quickly in the postseason, and it looks in the postseason
like it did in the regular season. I would be
very curious to see this offseason because you can't you
can't run this back. You can't waste Schoobl's final year
with a team that looks like this.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
That's just me.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean the thing that I I did not mind
not trading school Ball for a while because they were
looking like they were going to contend. Right last year.
You get this amazing run, and that's what it is.
And all of a sudden, you're a team that's in
first place. You're still before the trade deadline, and if
you lose Schooble after all this run, so be it.
You got three years in the postseason out of them.

(25:29):
You weren't wasting time. This has the makings of wasting
time because you didn't do enough. You could have been
better next year. Do they get I mean, a couple
of these young guys come up from the miners, Do
they get how could he not?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
You got it, but at some point you got it.
You also have to go out and get a proven
You got to get a couple of different things. A
proven bullpen, another proven bullpen arm, and another proven starter.
Not just a reclamation project.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
But at Scott Harris shown you that he's going to
do that. That's the thing. And it's like Scott Harris
and Brad Holmes kind of the same guy. They're loyal,
they're inside guy. They want their guys to grow from
the inside of the of the organization. And it's like
with Brad Holmes, it's like Zadaria Smith one year, nine million.
You just don't. I mean, he's a good locker room guy.
Marcus Davenport, you're sitting there. We're gonna mortgage everything with

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Marcus Davenport. It's just, you know, it goes for both
of our organizations that we love with a passion at
least I do.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, we're gonna get in all that through these seven
hundred and forty seven hot takes that were submitted today.
It should be good. I'm just gonna warn a few people.
There are a few that we there are something that
we will not get to and it has nothing to
do with you. We're just gonna try and manage this
on the fly. And uh so, well, I'm sure the
audience loves being warned.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't like that.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, they probably love that. If we had more time,
I would just stress this point. Yeah, we we just
can't do that.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
All right, let's uh are you ready? Eric Schultz up first.
Number One, huge gutty win reminded me of some of
the early D'Antonio wins. Statistically outplayed but found a way
to get it done. And two, give Child's credit, dudes,
a gamer made some plays not a lot of guys
can make. And three, the identity of a Jonathan Smith
run program is starting to take shape. Got to get

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after the quarterback on d and get better at pass
protection before we can truly expect greatness. But for the
first time, it looks like we're seeing the makings of
a real foundation.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
The Child's thing, the way people feel about Childs is
the biggest takeaway from this. I think this has a
chance to be a real turning point. And again, he's
got to duplicate it. He's got to come back and
make the right decisions and make big plays and continue
to be a gamer, so to speak. I mean, a
couple of those runs were incredible. Those are things that
you just you saw it last night with Lamar Jackson,

(27:46):
Like certain guys can do things that change who you
can be offensively and get you out of trouble that
you won't be. I mean, I sometimes give child some
grief for his eyes dropping down when the cover rich
breaks down in front of him too early. But one
of the reasons that happens. This guy knows ball is
he knows that he can do that stuff. He knows

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that he can get out of the trouble, and sometimes
the best way out of trouble is that it's a
little bit of a balance. It was the decisions he
made later, was the accuracy late, it was the deep
ball was there. I thought the second half from him
was the best we've seen and buy a bit, and
so now he's just got to build on it the.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
D animal next. I still don't know if this MSU
football team goes five and seven or nine to three,
but man, that win felt so good, much needed for
the mental well being of the program and fan base.
I know we didn't give up a second half touchdown,
but our secondary and lack of pass rush will likely
be what limits our success this year.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, well, let's see on the secondary when they get
completely healthy. If they do, and you know, I actually
think they're okay in the secondary to some degree. I
think it's the inability to the quarterback. I don't think
there are many secondaries that look good if you don't
have pressure, if you're not getting to the quarterback, you
got to help your cornerback. Yeah, I'm sort of I'm
a little more wait and see on that. They got

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to find a way to get to the quarterback and
you know, and obviously there's a trade off there if
you're blitzing and doing other things.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
But did Eric Schultz take like too much away from
that win? I think it was a great win against
Boston College, but like foundation and a great like, I
just didn't take that away. I was really happy with Chiles,
but like I said, the concerning thing with the defense
not getting to the quarterback, Like I wasn't walking away
from that going like this is a Jonathan Smith program.
But maybe I'll get there the season, but I'm not
there yet.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Foundational wins don't mean, you know, knocking off LSU all
the time. What foundational wins mean it's a game that
was needed, that they got done that They looked impressive
in a lot of different facets. I thought, you know,
the coaching staff sect, you know, we were talking about
second half's, what is this team's second half record wasn't
very good. Last year wasn't very good, you know, didn't
play well against Western and that was a second half

(29:53):
that was much more impressive, right, And so they showed
that it's the quarterback play. There were a lot of
questions about They answered a lot of questions in a
lot of ways areas there was legitimate doubt and there
are some other areas like the pass rush where there's
good reason for legitimate doubt, where there's even more reason
for legitimate doubt. And they didn't but they answered a
lot of things in primarily they answered them positively and

(30:15):
they won the game. I mean that that's what it
comes down to. You got you didn't cover the spread.
You know, we started to winning the game. You want
to be you want your DNA to be a team
that finishes those games and you know it makes the
plays in the big moments.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Dang it, Bobby twenty three next number one. As D'Antonio
liked to say, that was a program win. It will
pay dividends this season. Two Childs deserves tons of credit
for being clutch. Excuse me. His play in crunch time
was impressive. And three the cheesy Gordida crunch will forever
be king at taco bell. What's in a Gordida I

(30:49):
don't even know. Yeah, I would just get like those
twelve pack of tacos. Yeah, Britopreme, Brito's, Yeah, yeah, Brito Supreme.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Brito Supreme at three am with a little Yeah, it's
a good.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
To have some sent here.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
See to Burrito Supreme on the air. Yeah, nah, no,
all right, I don't know the the program win, you know,
it did have though. There were those games where you
walked in and go. That was a program win. And
part of what also makes a program win is when
you've been struggling, having a moment, right, and this was
a moment.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
That's all I got. Oh, shut up, bad oh. And
Jonathan Smith and company need to just let Aid and
Chiles and receiver Room carry them, carry them. Sometimes feels
like they get fancy trying to protect Chiles from turnovers. Well, yeah,
I don't want them to turn over the ball.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
They do need to use Nick marsh earlier more often. Now,
that was a game where the time of possession also
was heavily. I think it was like almost nineteen to
eleven or eighteen something on nearly twelve in the first
half for Boston College. The defense could not get off
the field, and so part of it was the offense
didn't have as many opportunities early on. But again you

(31:56):
have Nick Marsh. Use Nick Marsh and lean on Nick
Marsh that one of your hot takes. It was doing
one of my quick takes.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was obvious, Spartan, So what
I write is pretty obvious. Oh no, that's not true.
Don't be so hard on yourself, man, Spartan. Number one,
Eiden Chiles is the Mateen Cleaves on turf, unquestionably, unquestionably
the leader of this MSU team, charisma and talent that
is electrifying on and off the field. Chiles is not

(32:24):
afraid to be the man of the moment. And two,
Sharon Moore is on borrowed time and his fate is
determined by an inexperienced eighteen year old quarterback. When you
pay a kid twelve million dollars, you have no other
option than to start him no matter how he plays
throughout this season. Sharon is the TMU version of Brady Hoag.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
The Charon Moore storyline will be interesting to watch if
this season he'll be the guy that took the fall
from Yeah, if this is a struggle, they'll be real quick.
You know you got Pat Fitzgerald out there. You're telling
me they'd fire more and hire Fitzgerald.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I would. I would fire a lot of people in
higher pass. You also would go home tonight and watch
a Hallmark movie instead of the Monday night football game.
That doesn't mean it's right. Can do I can do both.
I can do both.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
One talk Fitzgerald, guy. I like Fitzgerald. I think Fitzgerald
wud be really good Michigan. I think he'd be really
good at Michigan. Wow, I think he would be. I
think you'd be really good anywhere.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
But the.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
I think how he takes the fall, what this season
looks like now. I also don't think Michigan look very
good like offensively, I don't know what that is. And
their offensive line, which is supposed to be especially doesn't
look very good. So I again, this is what year
two for him. To be fair to him, he deserves
quite a bit more time. I just don't know if
they're gonna be fair.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So much time in today's n c DOAA college football,
you don't have much time.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, I would ask you this, if you're planning to
play a season with a freshman quarterback. Yeah, you have
to bake in four losses, and I don't think fans
of Michigan if I'm a donor, well then then you're
just gonna get fire for that ship.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You better coach him up, make sure he plays right.
You'd fire if you want my two million dollar donation.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
That's a problem. That's a that's a that's that's a
donor room Rube. Heos, yeah, Ruby, Jesus the.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Uh so you got that?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
So a year from now, if they don't let him
get sophomore Bryce Underwood, then but why is it fair
to he gives a ship, get out of here? Give
the other coach give But how do you know if
he's not the guy? If you're starting a freshman quarterback, Now,
there may be it maybe wind up being a disaster
this year. But short of that, if this is an
eight and four season where they're limited by not having

(34:41):
being as good as they need to be somewhere else
they don't have great receivers, they have.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
But how's the locker room like? Is he still does
he still hold the locker room? Then I don't I
could no, I know, I'm just saying as a conversation
piece it. If he holds the locker room and players
love him, I give him another year, right. But if
he loses that locker room, loses the fan base, the
donor base, and I guess you got to move on.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
They also just lost only one game on the road
to Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's just not that. I mean didn't it didn't look good.
It was sort of like the Lions. The Lions. It
is a hot take show, sir, So I mean we
have to be hot. I mean it's sort of like
we're not firing someone. What do we do it. It's
sort of like the Lions. But I mean it was not.
It did not feel as close I talk about the Lions.
It did not feel as close. It did not feel
as competitive. I'm not talking about as even the final score.
So when I talk about the Lions, David s number one.

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MSU needed this game to solidify a path to six
plus wins, and two going into halftime with a pair
of timeouts as it looked like they wanted to score
was the most confusing set of events these past fourteen
games under Smith.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I think they might have done differently if they they
knew they were getting the ball to start the second half,
and but and then you come out firing. Yeah, with
two big passes. I do I do wonder if they
had to do it again, if they want to taken
one more shot.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
It just looked like you were scared, is all Jake
best take. Bill O'Brien exposed Rossi Saturday night. I had
terrible flashbacked flashbacks to Scottie Hazelton's bend. But don't break
defense and baked officiating crews from the same conference as
your opponent neutralizes the home field advantage.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
You have.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
The I I didn't really, I didn't think the officiating
was all that favorable one way or the other.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, but you know, college refs are ass though it's
just a given.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I don't think Rossie was. I mean, I think Bill
O'Brien's really good. I don't think Rossi has the horses
to say he's been exposed like I just I think
it's how many horses does he need? Though, Well, he's
one guy coming off the edge, okay, who can do
something for you to start?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Is one of those they hate. They get up six
points in the second half. One too bad. Bill O'Brien
was impressive. That offense was impressive. Well, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Rossie is a pretty proven coordinate. I think exposing and
Rossi is different than exposing Rossi's defense in a particular
year based on talent. I thought, you know, obviously Boston
College got the better of them most of the night,
but they were okay ish in the second half. It
was improved sorta, you know, it wasn't it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Ralph e next number one. MSU's defense made adjustments prior
to final drive to tie. Boston College had less than
ninety yards in the second half. Rossie is better than
some think, and too do you think grind Week will
continue after ISO retires? And three? How will it? How
was it making the transition from spartan fan to write
it about your old favorite team.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
I don't think grind Week continues after Isoe. I mean,
that's very much an ISO thing. It's his, his program,
his He's been around there as long as any of
those guys to come back, because they were his guys,
and you know, he was an assistant. So unless it
wound up being somebody with you know, fierce ties to
the program in a similar way or to some degree,
I don't think continues transition from being a Spartan fan

(38:02):
as a kid to writing about these guys. You know,
it wasn't really a transition because it didn't go from
one to the other, right I was. You know, if
I had gone from twenty two years old gotten this
job would have been a disaster. Some might argue it's
already been a disaster, but it would have been a
disaster for a lot of reasons, that being one of them.

(38:24):
It just you know, I was away for fourteen years
and by the time I came back, all that stuff
had long been out of the system. So you know,
you know, there were moments like the first time the
guy you watched when you're fifteen years old, Tom Izzo,
calls you upset with you and you got to sort.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Of stick up for yourself that that and you sound
like you're fifteen. Ooh Tom, no, you tall.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It takes a minute. You have to catch your breath
and go all right, this is this is, this is
life now. But you stick up for yourself because you
feel good about what you wrote or and azo ever
called you like a stupid ass or anything or oh
much worse than that. Really, oh yeah, face, that's that's
pretty personal. Not quite I mean He's used the effort,

(39:07):
but he's never he's never described me as that personally.
You know, that would be more accurate than some of
his complaints with me. I mean, sometimes I've been wearing
a Muskox plant. I've been like, Tom, you can't say that.
Today I'm wearing a Muskox. Yeah I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know. Yeah, no, Tom.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
The one thing I love about Covering is, though, is
that he is you know, how he feels, and he
does not hold grudges. That like, he gets it off
his chest, you talk it out next Day's great at practice.
I wish more coaches were like that. A lot of
coaches let things linger when they're upset with you.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Does not. He does not threaten access. He does not.
He does not. He'd lets you know your you.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Know, and sometimes he's mad at you and he hasn't
even read your column, which is I'm trying to get
with Tom to be the new rule he has to read. Yeah,
I never read his column and you're still mad. Yeah,
there you go. Just by the headline. I can tell
can you force MSU to punt at your your own peril?
And can you imagine MSU had won that game on
the last second safety that would have been wild. I

(40:08):
mean second safety to end the game. It could they
could win this. They could win a game this year
on safety. The way Ryan Eckley is punting right now,
I mean every punt he kicks, right, I keep think
that's down to the two. Let's just you sort of
take it for granted. He is incredible.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
It's gotta be awesome to be like an awesome punter,
Like you don't have to really get mixed up and
all this stuff just to love you. Ball on the
string like that, Yeah, right, drop it down there, walk
off doing that dance and shit. Pretty remarkable. I mean,
Bryce berend parties. Bryce Berenger was amazing. I don't I
have never seen anybody that I've covered as good as
Ryan Eckley has been the first couple of weeks here

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mc A next, MSU's defense isn't better compared to last year,
and that should be unacceptable. Chiles and the offense will
have their ups and downs, but there is a marked
improvement from last year. They'll finish six and six or
seven and five that I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
The thing about this win that was important is it's
they're going to play the whole season. I think they
have a chance to play on the right side of
five hundred, which just makes the season there's a lot
less angst, you know, like you can do the math
now even if things don't go well, Oh don't do
math well they lose, say they win next week, which
they will, and then they lose both games at USC

(41:23):
and at Nebraska. Then they beat UCLA, who's not very
good at home. They'll be sit four and two at
the midpoint, and you know you still have if that happens,
you know you still have Maryland at the end of
the year. Iowa doesn't look amazing right now. Certainly Michigan

(41:43):
looks like at home that should be a game that
you got a real shot in. Well, see what Indiana is.
I don't know if Indiana is amazing this year, like
Minnesota's been okay, Like you can't tell me they're not
going to win one game somewhere else, or they should
win one game somewhere else. And so I just think
by winning this game, you play the season above five
hundred and maybe a lot above five hundred. Maybe though

(42:04):
this will be their thing, Maybe they will win close games,
maybe that'll be part of the DNA of this team.
And the fun thing I think for MSU fans this year,
there are flaws of this team. The defense is going
to drive you nuts from at times. I think, however,
there's enough offensively and there's enough there that you're gonna
have a I mean, you might be in every single

(42:26):
game you play the rest of the way. Now, there
may be a week that's a dud. USC looks like
they could be really good. That could be a real
problem for Michigan, say's defense, They're gonna have to keep
up Penn State, maybe just a level that's too high
when they come into Spartan Stadium, but they still have
to come into Spartan Stadium. I don't think Michigan's gonna
blow at MSU. I don't think Michigan's offense is gonna
blow at anybody. I just I think Michigan States can

(42:49):
be you know, Indiana is okay. I'm not saying Indian
is a bad team. I'm just saying Michigan State's a
decent enough team and has enough going forward on the
offensive end. They're going to be in every one of
these games. I think late and you know, if they
make good decisions like they'll win a few of them.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Nastlie's Quick Hotel next. The win over BC was a
relief because this MSU team still has room to improve.
The Spartans defense and the Lions defense is that twin
Spider Man pointing meme. The angst around the Lions is
rooted in the fear that the window has closed and
won't open for another thirty years.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
It's funny. I was watching the Lions yesterday. Of course,
after funny, that's hilarious. After the Lcrez Center match, of
course you waited till it was over to flip over.
I wasn't paying as much attention as I would have.
The tennis is where, you know, that's that's just that's
a rivalry that takes precedent. Now, you know, I make
my choices, but it is easier when you have Infinity

(43:44):
to just flip back and forth, and it is if
you've got to sign into one streaming service or flip
over to something else.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Does Infinity know you use just one TV? I think
that they would want you to be like me that
uses three. Like you know, if you want to watch something, well,
I bring out a second TV. Sometimes.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
My wife gave a way our third TV just total shit,
like didn't even ask. Like last year, I went to
go get the third TV for the final week of
the Premier League season. I wanted to watch three games
at once, and I was like, I was like, what
happened to the third TV.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
She's like, oh, I gave it. I gave they gave it.
She gave it to a FRIGI traded for the cat
you guys actually own spot now for a TV. She
gave it to a friend of their hers. I was like,
we just gotta go get that fucker back. I'd walk
in their house, unplug it and just take it underneath
my arm. Well, the worst part is.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
TV's are like twelve dollars now, they're even cheaper than
this depth than I'm using today, and like there you.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Can get a fifty five inch for one hundred and
fifty bucks.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Correct, But the friend she gave it to isn't like
somebody who's suffering financially, like they could have bought themselves
to teach.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
She was doing it for just despite you. No, she
just said, why do we need three TVs? Because the
center Alcarez matches on and a football Sunday, lots lots
of number one.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, at some point I will purchase the three TV
and I will give it to her for will you
ask her before you purchase or will you just knowdge,
I'll just do it. I don't I don't need to
believe you. I don't need to ask to buy a
third TV.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
I can just do it. I don't believe it. I
don't do it. Go after the show, go buy a
TV and then send us to buy a new laptop first.
That's the first purchase. Oh yeah, that's actually a discussion
because those are like a thousand. Yeah, that's a you know,
that's not you actually have to add that. Not great? Yeah,
I like how you're offended by that though she gave
away a TV without you knowing, and you're that I

(45:29):
even implied that you would have to ask to buy
a third TV.

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Speaker 2 (46:04):
She knows people, though probably she canna have you taken
out Nastley's Quick Hotel next. The win over BC was
a relief because this MSU team still has room to improve.
The Spartans defense and the Lions defense is that Oh
I read that, Thank you for stopping me. Sorry, I'm
trying to figure it out now. You should tell me
do that. It's a piece. I can't figure out what's
going on. I can't barely read that. Professor double whatever

(46:25):
Nick marsh is making so he doesn't end up in
the SEC next season. And Baked. I love pizza, but
if it has so many toppings that they all fall
off after your first bite, it ruins the experience. You
can overdo it. You have to you have.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
If you're gonna do too many toppings, you gotta do
another layer of cheese on top so it keeps the
toppings together.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Sounds like a pro that guy knows ball and pizza.
I make a few pizza. Yeah. That goes for any
of these other food items though, Like you see those
like burgers that you're like, how does someone bite into that? Right?
Like you're at a giant chicken sandwiches with all the
the fixings on the top of them. It's like, why
do you You can't even put your mouth around that.
I have definitely had burgers where I've looked at them. Good.

(47:06):
How is this fun? Like? Yeh is too much? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
And you know going down all of a sudden, you're
gonna shitting your pants. This is not fun. Money back
number one childs on the offense or everything we hope
they could be, besides some occasional frustrating moments from the
O line, and two not going after a difference making
pass rusher in the portal even though every fan knew
we needed one is going to continue to frustrate us

(47:28):
all season. It kills the secondary and is the biggest
reason our ceiling is seven to eight wins instead of
a twenty twenty one type season. Not getting to the quarterback,
it's got to be one of the most frustrating things
as a football fan when you're watching your team, right, So.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
It'll be an interesting question if this winds up being
an enormous issue, and it feels like it could be
because in this revshare era, when you've got to, you know,
put together, I mean, frankly, the most expensive positions, like
in the NFL and college football, are a dominating pass rusher.
Those guys aren't just in the portal right now. There
are probably guys tho who are good pass rushers at

(48:05):
mid majors who could be had. And so I'm not
saying they did as well as they could here. I
certainly don't don't necessarily believe that if it becomes an
issue that really debilitates and hurts their season, it's it's
it's it's a question in terms of resource allocation, whether
that should have been more of a more of a priority.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Can donors sit there and offer like a grand for
a sack, like if I was Jim Heos, and like
if I could I just pay a thousand tell the
players you guys get a sack, I give you a
thousand igal. I love that Jim Heos is like here,
it's like Mattish bea Jim Heos.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
You know, hound the bushes.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
He's a legend, Big John Hawk. Concessions at Spartan Stadium
were better. Still, no souvenir cups, which is frustrating. Secondary
is going to be a big issue. No amount of
sparty mic sunshine blowing can spin spin it any other way.
Most listless Lions performance in years and hope that's not
a trend. You need a melting moment spot sponsorship. Well,

(49:04):
he's like me, He's like me, he just fires off everything. Yeah,
these weren't even Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't
know why these came in looking the way they did.
But I appreciate all your takes here, just what's on
your mind. We give them free sponsorship pretty much, melty moments,
Yeah we do.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
They don't They don't need to pass for what they're ye,
I don't. Again, I don't know if the secondary is
going to be as much of an issue. I think
most secondaries look like shit when you can't get to
the quarterback, and I think that is like, how how
much better were the concessions? I've heard said what I
was reading against Western was yeah, no, I've heard quite
a bit the lines were shorter. I'm not saying they

(49:40):
were perfect, but I think they were better staffed and
more equipped for what they made Popcorn to start, I mean,
I got so many emails the first week relative to
this week, and then the ones I got this week.
There were quite a few that said it was better.
There were still a few complaints here and there, but
it was nothing like last week.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Polish Sparties Morning Crew. Next if they didn't figure out
the stadium volume, MSU is going to need install tampon
dispensers and spartan stadium for everyone's bleeding ears. The new
sound systems volume is significantly worse than it was the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
That's not good. Yeah, people can play in the last
couple of years. Again, we're behind this glass. That's like
it's like bulletproof. It's like being the president or something.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
They don't. They just don't. But you've been down in
that area. Turn the game. No, No, I don't hear
any of this. I don't. I really don't play any
music before the game. When you go, if you go
say hi to someone like you don't know, it's not
usually I'm not down there long enough. Yeah, no, yeah, no,
it's it's uh, but this is becoming a pretty regular
complaint David Cox. Next, does the Detroit News counter Eargood

(50:44):
still think Nick Marsh isn't an NFL player? Dude is
going to be a top ten pick? Was that the
game and can't understand why he isn't targeted fifteen times
a game? Okay.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I think this has become a just sort of one
of those folk lore things because I cannot find Connor
Eargood ever saying on Ebling's show that he does not
think Nick Marsh is an NFL play. I want to
be crushed tape. I crushed tape. I listened to to
Connor Eargood and Jack Ebling the only two interviews because

(51:15):
texted ear Good and just said, I just want to
because correct we were gonna have him on and we
were going to ask him about this, and I want
to I want to make sure he said it. And
this is why I did it, because I don't think
he said it the conversation. At one point, Ebling sort
of says, after Connor says something says most people think
he's like a top, but there're Connor didn't say anything

(51:37):
like that, Like I think I don't think it's actually said,
I would challenge anybody to find the moment. Like I
listened back a couple of times, like, where is he saying?
Nick Marsh isn't what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
You could have called him and just had like to
get him out. Hey, we'd like to have you on
the show. And then if he said I never said that,
then I guess we could still have him on. Make
something up, right, But then do we have to have
on the show. I mean, I like Gunnier if he
had no idea what the hell you were talking about?
And then it was I wanted to check it out.
I mean radio silence and know I'm saying, instead of
having to put yourself through listening to Ebling's like the

(52:07):
two interviews, you could.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Have just I could you could want to do my
due diligence. Yeah, and at some point it's calling someone
isn't due diligence. I'm sure he's heard from it, but
he's heard about it from people.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
At some point. Well, so we should have him on
and then make it sound even worse, Like you said,
Nick Marsh is terrible. You want to take that back?
I don't. I don't. I do not think he ever
said it, oh Man Gundy. Next, I think BC's passing
offense is the best that MSc will face all season.
And to Bill O'Brien and Lonergan are legit.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
There's a chance they are. I'm curious to see how
it plays out for them.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
How this that what you say when your team though
it doesn't get a sack and a guy named Lonergan, Yeah, porches.
So I don't know that's gonna be a great offense
all year.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
That's why I bring up twenty nineteen Indiana because you
left that game with Kaylin Debor, who nobody knew who
really he really was back then, and and Michael Pennix
was a red shirt freshman, and you're like, wow, that looked.
Those guys look really good. I wonder if they're any
good now, Michael. Now you know, one's the head coach
at Alabama, and one's been a national championship game of
watching the others a starting quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
So like, but was there a play that Lonergan had
that that wowed you? Oh?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
There was a lot of good touch, Yeah, and there
was a lot it was a quick pass, it was
now some of it was the offense. They they were
the passing was quick, Like, I do not think that's
a team that's going to be sacked that often. Just
because of the way they play doesn't mean Michigan say
his pass rush is adequate. I'm just saying that the
offense is impressive.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Parker wise next, That's an MSU win we'll look back
on as a massive turning point in the Jonathan Smith era.
This team has brought is bought in. You cannot win
that game if you aren't bought in. Down seven and
a half, plenty of mistakes and BC answering each time.
Cue the Campbell grit drop, Rube taking request another Corps

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foundation man, grit only.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Play that after wins. Yes, another great week. We'll see
if it's turning point. It was definitely a because Iowa
felt like a moment a little bit last year. But
this was a game that would have been a bigger
loss than it is win almost you know, like it
was a big win. Though it was a big win
the way they want it to win. It in overtime
and vibes are important. Man, when you're trying to turn

(54:15):
around a football program and you're trying to get a
fan base, that's been beaten down and a program has
been beaten down. Winning matters vibes are important. And the
way they did it, it wasn't like Boston College just
shit all over their leg. Michigans had to go win
the game, and they did.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Scotty Green's Alchemino couch, you sandbagging son of a bitch,
acting like we were screwed a kicker. There's no way
people didn't know Connington wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Even today a Monday, Jonathan Smith said, like they didn't.
I mean, he didn't know exactly what was going to
happen with those two field goals. And I mean, obviously
they were good to hear. They recruited him. He's their
scholarship kicker by choice for a reason. They knew he
was talented. I mean, he's the guy on scholarship who's kicking,
so like that it checks out, But you know, you

(55:00):
you don't know until you see somebody kicking pressure situations.
Those are two really important field goals in the second half.
They don't win the game without both of them.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Kermit the spartan next Chiles needs to dial back his
caution just a bit. It seems as if he's overthrowing
receivers out of an access of caution. And bonus, college
refs can suck a fart fresh from my ass. It's
a little wordy for a shirt, but I think that
would be good. Well you may work. Yeah, I can
get it on there. Ah the uh yeah, Well are

(55:32):
you thinking about someone sucking a fart out of an ass?
It's just awful. It's a really bad picture. It's the
worst picture. Yeah. Oh, are we done? Mister w hot take.
Chiles announced himself as one of the best quarterbacks in
the conference. Hasn't seen a single game highlight reel like
that since K nine. I think this offense can win
us a game we're not supposed to win, and bonus,

(55:53):
Michigan will win six or seven games because their schedule
is a joke. But they are a bad team and
a poorly coach team. The fan base is going to
implode as they realize that they were frauds all along,
and it's going to be very satisfying to watch.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I don't think Michigan fans will correlate this team with
the championship teams or the window they've had. Is they
may realize this team isn't very good but I don't
think they'll say ergo frauds all along.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I just can't see that being the reaction BPA apart
from Jordan Hall, MSU might have the slowest sideline to
sideline defense in fifteen years, but Chiles is also the
most fun sparting to watch in fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Whoa over Kenneth Walker. He is like a couple of
those runs. Chiles can be an electrifying player. And yeah,
it was funny. We had the Sam Levitt Chiles discussion
last week a little bit, and Levitt is still I
think a phenomenal quarterback would.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Be my choice.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
But you see what you see what they loved about Chiles,
And I would say this for like Michigan folks who
are getting frustrated with price Underwood, you know he is
a really young player. Young you play a freshman quarterback,
you're asking for three to four losses automatically. It just
takes time at that position. It takes time in the NFL,

(57:09):
if you only played a season or two a college ball,
it often doesn't work out. Even great quarterbacks outside of
Trevor Lawrence, very few of them are good as freshmen.
And for Chiles, you know last year was his first
year starting. He was, you know, a young player, eighteen
years old and still nineteen now, like it takes him

(57:29):
and maybe the lightest come on. Now, if he throws,
you know, three picks at usc and it doesn't look
like this, we'll have a different conversation. But this was
a big moment for him.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Sparty Barb next number one. I'm not an expert, but
I think it might be our advantage to get the
ball to Nick Marsh too. Our punter belongs in the
Hall of Fame. Graham belongs in the whole. This is
not Sparty Barbs, dude. The number two is not sparty Barbs.
I think it is. I don't think I screwed this up. Yah.
Our punter belongs in the Hall of Fame. Graham belongs

(58:01):
in the whole, whole of shame. Read it. It doesn't
sound like her. It's not SPARTI barbed three are pass rush.
It does nothing, dude, you know what it is.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
That's Hans I would this is the problem with the
fucking PC. Okay, Like you try to copy and paste,
it doesn't always copy. Sometimes you paste the previous one.
There might be four vive of these. I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I mean that just out of all people to mix
Sparti Barb's takes.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
With if this was not a work laptop, because I
am going to get a new laptop today, I think
I would just throw it because it's it's just a
useless machine. I just can't even believe it over the table, useless,
drop it, useless. Sorry, Sparty Barber, yours are in the
ether somewhere. I apologize lost to being confused with Hans
Graham belongs in the whole of shame.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
That sounds like her. Uh are you got any comments there?
You just gonna throw that top? I feel bad for
Sparty Barb the Adam Bernardo of Southern main next baked
after an MSU win. I think everything Graham rights is
brilliant and he deserves a pulitzer after a loss. I
think he should return to Freeport and cover Orangeville JV
sports and best take, MSU doesn't win that game with

(59:07):
Sam Levitt playing quarterback. That is a bit. That is
a hot take.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
I don't know if that's the case, but the it is, Yeah,
I do. I did enjoy my time in Freeport. In Orangeville,
my first big feature was on Orangeville football by the Way,
twenty five miles north of Freeport. Yeah, Toby Golembeski was
the coach name dropper. How's he doing?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I don't know, but he think it's well. Steven Izzo
next to hot takes number one MSU football. Great win,
but playing offensive linemen in different positions hurt us often
when we could could have put the game away. Too
many holes. I've ever seen football offensive lineman play different
positions unless injury induced. Why and to the Lion's interior

(59:52):
offensive line exposed? Not resigning Zeitler and letting erg stand
walk to get Morton az Oc will be the biggest
mistakes this off season that will haunt us all year.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Love that we've got Stevenizzo, uh putting in Huntings. This
is actually an email so I think this is him
by the way, Oh is it really?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah? Yeah, the uh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Lion's interior offensive line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Is screwed. Are they screwed? Or Yeah? You're gonna have
to make some sort of move. I mean, like I said,
we got to wait until the Bears game. But Glasgow
is We've known that he's been on a downward decline
and to go into a season with a guy like that,
it's I don't know. There's got to be somebody. There's
got to be some sort of center option that we
could do. It's not easy to find these guys. Teams

(01:00:38):
aren't I know, be at the center position is a
really important position. I understand that. But you have to
try to make some sort of move and then pray
and hope it works.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
And if you the Lions, what you have to remember
is this is your window, right and you know, I
know they want to extend the window. So what you
have to do is that means you may have to
give up a draft pick to trade to a bad
team that has a decent center to get that center.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Yeah, you have to be willing to do that. That's
the question is you know, because we are going to
be drafted, hopefully late in a first round, So getting
rid of a first round to get a player. I mean,
look at all the teams that win championships, super Bowls,
they all make a move like that. That it not
every move is gonna be this surefire. Is he gonna
fit in the locker room?

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
You know, you can cut these guys, get rid of
them if they don't fit in the locker room. I
think we're just trying to so hard to have our
guys and these are our guys, and we're gonna win
with these guys. That's fucking great. In college football at
nineteen ninety seven, you could do that kind of thing.
Not in today's NFL. You have to make some sort
of moves and hurt people's feelings. It just it's the
way it is. H Munfield Keke, I did my best

(01:01:37):
Jason impression on Saturday and set out loud. Munfield tailgating
is back. Thank you, j Bett bait take. For the
love of God, we need to find some upgraded portal
defenders next year. The staff has proven they can identify
offensive players and I'll find the o Maari Kelly of defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
And they've They've had some good defensive player like I
think Joshua Eaton Is is a good player. They've had
some guys on defense, they just haven't had that edge
guy right that. And I'm still curious about this defense.
I'm not completely out on them. I think the pass
rush is a total issue, but I think there are
some other places where they have some strengths. And I
think a guy like Jordan Hall one of the things
that's interesting to watch with him is he is figuring

(01:02:20):
like he's fifteen tackles, right. He also had the boneheaded
you know, and you can say it was a bad call,
but he had the play where it was the late
hit that continued that drive for Boston College. And he
had a couple of plays where he overran something. But
he was really good mostly, and he is figuring out
how to be a difference making playmaker at the same
time being the lead communicator. And it's a lot and

(01:02:40):
I think he's only going to get better and better
at it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Jebediah the Lions and Tigers simultaneous, simultaneously going FAFO, and
that means fuck around it. Find out for your non
acronym knowing asses by obsessing over your own players is
honestly too perfect. Put your nuts on the effing table
and get some difference makers and win an MFING title.
In bonus, it's ironic Childs almost got swayed to go

(01:03:05):
to USC because he's going to need to be Caleb
Williams the rest of the year to overcome this Alex
Grinch esque defense. Nothing less nonetheless impressive showing from him,
and excited to see the positive steps he takes. This
next part don't. I don't know what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
You see that next? Oh that no, Ryan, it's a
totally different take. Apologize the spacing's missing because it's a
PC and something went wrong. I think that's the frustration
right now with the Lions is in the Tigers is
there's just got It looks like the same thing now.
The Tigers are sorry. The Lions have been where the

(01:03:43):
Tigers have not. The Lions were, you know, probably should
have gone to the Super Bowl two years ago. The
Lions won fifteen games last year and other than injuries
were pretty dominant. So they're coming from different places to
some degree. But it is true that it feels like
they're not willing to capitalize on a moment right and
they're trying to play the long game. And you know,
if either of them wins a World Series or a

(01:04:05):
super Bowl, then all all's good and that's the right move.
That's all you gotta do. It just doesn't feel like
they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Naked a small move. We're not talking for a blockbuster
Michaeh Parsons level trade. It's just getting some guys that
you can bring in to kind of fill these gaps
and positions that we can obviously see I would.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Argue with centers more important Mikeael Parsons. Michael Parsons will
be hurt by week four, like this is this is football,
Like you don't spend that kind of money on Michael Parsons.
This is the odds that he's going to be around
one single player is absolutely he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Did look good yesterday. He did. Would be excited, Tyler.
Don't want to overreact, but some Sunday was a day
you wish sports didn't exist. I did say that to
myself yesterday. I was entertained. I was, you know, until
the Lions was not great, but I mean there was
other good games on, but to me, the Lions game

(01:04:53):
ruined everything else. So you know, I just wonder what
sometimes when I watch the White Sox, so I keep
it wing and the Lions lose, Like why do I
watch this ship? I came away with a different take
on the Lions than than I thought. I'd wait for
this one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
I thought it was a situation where you'd rather lose
that way than some other ways? Am I what other ways?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Could you? What are you talking? You'd rather not be
a heartbreaker? That was a heartbreaker because I've been waiting
six months for fucking football to come back. I'm wearing
a jersey like an asshole in my living room, and
they play like shit, they don't show up. How gonna
get any worse than that? You are an asshole if
you're in a jersey. No, I don't care. I like
wearing my jersey. I like my jersey. It's not like
I go face paint. I'm not face paint guy. Can
you imagine being face paint guy? And then you're sitting

(01:05:37):
in the face with face paint on it at Lambeau
with a lion shit on it, and we play like that.
They got to walk out of the stadium with everybody
pointing at you. Have you ever put face pan in
your living room? No? No, fuck?

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Never? Okay, police chief a flavor town next. For the
first time since Campbell has been here, the entire team
looked lifeless, like no one was enjoying the game of football.
We all scoffed at it. But I think losing Johnson
could derail the whole offense. I think the offensive line
is a bigger issue. Yeah, and you have agree. Why

(01:06:10):
didn't Ben take that offensive line with him? A leaf seol?
But you know yeah, let's see him tonight. I didn't
see old Benny boy. Oh that goes. It's not really
root either way though.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
So if the Bears look phenomenal offensively, will it make
it worse?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Then I'm gonna hammer the Lions money line even more?
Okay next Sunday? Yeah, there you go. Ten to ats
after a loss. G Miller Brad Holmes overpaying for expendable
guys like JMO while neglecting both lines showed yesterday you
can't rebuild both lines mid flight. When you've blown your
cap space and the new coordinators were outclassed. The window

(01:06:46):
was closed. This team peaked in twenty twenty three. That
was the chance and baked. Whether it's Tigers fans begging
for pitchers at the deadline or Spartan fans pleading for
a portal pass rusher or Lions fans asking for d
line and secondary help. Why is it that fans seem
to be more in touch with team needs than team
leadership itself. Maybe they should listen or tom Izzo going

(01:07:09):
after a big in the portal? Why is every team
I have to root for it. I want to add
guys and grab people, not give what you know people
know they need to tell us be patient, and we
got to sit through losing streaks and shiit.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Well, the I want to do the first part here
the JMO new contract. What did you think of that? Like,
I thought it was heavy and I don't know why
we have to do it now. Okay, I'm sorry. I
know the guy is a difference maker. But and then
you overpay Barnes too. No one was going to pay
Barnes that much money the linebacker, you know what I mean? Like,
I just I can't blame Holmes for wanting to keep Jamo,

(01:07:46):
a guy that you know, it's his guy. I get that,
but it just seems for what he's done so far
and with some of the things and he's gotten involved with,
it's like, man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
They didn't pay him top receiver dollars though they paid
him a lot twenty something million a year for eighty
three million. Fold on, let's see what the top receiver
money is right now? Hold on, give me some off.
I mean, what a mon rock thirty? I am the passenger.

(01:08:14):
That's crazy? Am I ride and Rod? I ride through
the suities back? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
So I mean it's this is why I think they
did it. They were scared if he has a breakout year.
So Jamar Chase making forty million, justin Jefferson thirty five,
thirty number one money like, Well, that's the mont Ross
Saint Brown. You saw that catch yesterday. That's the guy
that gets that money, is a mon Ro Saint Brown.
So what's he making now? Twenty three? You said twenty

(01:08:43):
four something like that. So they're about like it might
end up looking like a good deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I'm just saying for as of right now as we
sit like g Miller just you know, stated, it's like
you had other things you had to attend to here,
and to give a guy that's had some problems with
peds and gambling on off the field too, is just anyway,
Lions reply, guy Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes have earned
so much benefit of the doubt that I honestly think

(01:09:09):
they could go oh to sixteen this year and win
two games the following year. Before the conversation even started
to think, Carlos Monerez wrote a headline stating a playoff
loss would put them on the hot seat. Is not defensible.
It's not defensible, I should be the name of his column.
Not defensible or indefensible. Yeah, yeah, what's that word? One

(01:09:31):
of the two the uh yeah, that'd be a great
indefensible loss. Imagine if they go over the season and
Los was right, I still wouldn't apologize for that, dude.
PA Number one Carlos Monrez taking up the mantle of
intentional rage bait columnist at the Freep as soon as
the late Drew Sharp passed away as if it was

(01:09:53):
a formal position, has been the most bizarre occurrences in
Detroit sports media.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Per discussion last episod wait was Drew Sharp that bad? Now?
Drew was different? Drew Drew because Drew, I mean, he
knew how to antagonize.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
But he and I don't mind that. I don't mind
it antagonizing trying to get the vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
You know. I used to always try and tell people
there's a difference between Drew Sharp and Rob Parker. Like
Drew Sharp a he believes what he writes. Sometimes he'll,
you know, poke the bear a little much. But he
was you might hate some of the stuff he wrote,
but you read it anyway. And you know, Rob Parker
was like, just get that guy out of town. It's
so bad. I can't read it, and you don't want

(01:10:33):
that you don't want to be the latter, and so
that's a hard to be the columnist that antagonizes people.
But people still want to read and have to read
as a real skill and Drew Sharp had that skill.
And it's it's not basically just need to have an opinion.
Like if if Rob Parker believed some of the shit
he was saying, I would you know, it wouldn't be
for me. But I can understand what are you supposed

(01:10:54):
to do? If that's your real opinion, that's all I
ask for, is that that that's how you really feel.
You've got his dumb opinions, then you shouldn't be a columnist.
Are you telling Los that or me? Are you're talking
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Questioning my own life? Oh all right, I'm just saying.
I mean, I know Carlos is a great guy. He
is a great guy, Tim, Tim Next, it would be
fascinating to hear Los defend some of these articles, not
saying you have to be a dick to him, but
he has to at least have the awareness that all
Lions fans hate him because we think he's playing a
character for clicks. I want to hear him defend his

(01:11:27):
position with conviction.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
So part of the reason the show exists is that
the higher ups at Goodnet don't really know it exists.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Do they know Los his columns exist? They do, Okay,
But what I'm saying is, I know he could probably understand.
They already have a question or two.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
And look, we're having this whole discussion about a guy
who works for the same company I do you know?
And but so well, I remember when we first started
about this, we came up with a nickname Los so
we wouldn't be identified number one. And then although lots
of people call him that, but then secondly scared, But
early on I was like, hey man, we can't really
talk about him. And and but now he's had but
he's the one writing correct now he's had so many columns.

(01:12:08):
It's sort of like the uh, the Michael Bolton line
from uh been doing this forever Michael Bolton line from
Office Space? You know, why should I change my name
when he's the one who sucks? Right, It's like and
eventually I just stopped. I said, you you say what
you need to say, because I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
They're indefensible sometimes, so again, we're probably not gonna have
him on only because I like him personally and I
don't want to ruffle feathers.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Like him personally. I'm not telling us that we have
to go march to his house and rip him out
of his house, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Like my My point is this, if we had him
on and it ruffled the wrong feathers, that would not
be great for us. That's all I'm saying. So that's
why I don't know how to do it, all right,
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
But would he defend his columns? You know? Like that's
what SURE would like. I would like to hear like
he can go on his own podcast to do it
if he wants, and we can listen. Can we listen
to it that way? Right? Like I think people would
be interested to know if he's actually defending these or
he's just firing it out never looks at any comments,
or he doesn't you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
He had a column on Jase Richardson at the NCAA Tournament.
He usually doesn't do college basketball and couldn't help himself though,
well they say him there to cover Michigan and and
Michigan had lost, so the Michigan State and Michigan at
the same space and I've never seen wind the window
was so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Mad at him for the column.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
And it's good for the LSJ when when the freak
does things that make them look like irrational asses, that's
the taint. We get more subscriptions, So it's good for the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Is that what Sean said to lois not the taint
Matty B. Scott Harris should take note of today. When
you have a juggernaut, you go for it. Because this
Lion's game was ass it made it worse when he
stood pat while Green Bay got better. But let him
cook or something. That's what I mean, Like, what are

(01:13:53):
we doing? Yeah, I think the lost Brad Holmes. I
think it's not about that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I think the Lions and Tigers are in different a
little bit. I'm not saying the Tigers didn't need to
go for it more, and I'm saying the Lions, though,
are truly in their moment, Like you know what I mean.
The Tigers, we can debate how close the roster is,
and based on their record, they probably should have done
more one hundred percent. I agree the Lions were a
blown second half from being in the Super Bowl two
years ago. The Lions were fifteen and two last year.

(01:14:20):
This is their moment, and the Lions have chosen to
build with a quarterback who is not an elite quarterback.
So by doing that, you have to have a good roster.
You have a window because of that, and that's okay,
it's hard to get the very elite guy. But if
it does not work with Jared Goff, the lesson to me,
and you know, when's the last time a team won
a Super Bowl without an elite quarterback? The lesson to

(01:14:44):
me of it if the window goes by because you
just can't quite get it. Golf was awful in that
playoff game, wasn't great in the second half against the
forty nine ers. If you can't get it done with
a golf then the next time you rebuild. If this
doesn't happen for the Lions, you have to keep trying
to get a top five guy, and you just that
becomes your only focus until you do it, because this

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way of doing it takes so much luck to have
it go right for you, and you know, that's that's
that's my concern is that it's so hard to do
it when you don't have an elite guy. You have
to have everything right around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Miserable sports fan next MSU. Fixing some of the blown
coverages and the offense playing like that, this team could
win eight plus games. It starts with usc and baked take.
If Chiles is that electric for a full season, we
may be looking for a starting quarterback next year. Also,
oatmeal cream pies in the freezer. Trust it long. You

(01:15:39):
have to let him sit though. You can't just eat
him right out. I mean, yeah, yeah, well you just
put them near the front of the freezer, not the bat.
It's like a melting moment, so you have to. They
tell you to wait five minutes and then you stare
you like, that's gotta been five minutes. It's only been
thirty sears. I do it every single time. It's awful. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
The to the to the first point there or the
second one of childs in the NFL for him, like,
there are some things like that's that's taking a big jump.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Obviously the NFL wants an electrifying player, but there is
I think he's gonna have to show some accuracy that
he hasn't shown consistently, and so that's a step. And
if he is, if he becomes that player, then then
MSU may be a team that's on the verge of
the playoff. I just yeah, let's let's see it more
than more than one second half there, MCV.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
While the defense deserves heat, they did hold BC to
six points in the second half. If MSU had sustained
that last drive and kicked a game winning field goal,
the narrative around the defense would be different. I know
what you're saying, like, because they really had had a
chance there, I just not getting to the quarterback though.

(01:16:51):
Zero sacks, that's it, that's it. Yeah, come on, they
were better in the second half. There's no doubt. The
whole team was better in the second half, and the
defense included. And and they're going to face a USC
team that looked pretty potent offensively and a Nebraska team
with a you know, a sophomore, a little bit seasoned quarterback,
second year starter on the road, like, well, we'll see

(01:17:14):
what it looks like. We're gonna find out, continue to
find out whether this defense is adequate. Luke bunge deckx
bungeee accurate. Quarterbacks are going to slice up MSU's defense
if they can't figure out a pass rush. Biggest ceiling
for the team and bonus big ten in SEC should
set up an annual Big Ten acc like challenge for
football games decided by last year's finishing position. What fan

(01:17:36):
wouldn't want this?

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It would be fun like the fifth place team plays
a fifth place team number one one, although all the
way down I would I would one hundred percent be
in for that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
That would be amazing. Ethan Charmela MSU has got to
stop the quarterback run this week Youngstown quarterback going for
two sixty four and four tds in the ground is
a bit of an eyebrow raiser and bonus, I'm not
sure Izzo has ever looked more excited in a recruiting
photo than this one with Josiah Josiah Jervis. I did
see the photo. He does look happy. He's a bull

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in a China closet.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Sorry, I think I think there's a lot if you
ask about how long is I was going to do this,
and I don't know, but I think there's a lot
about the job he still likes and there are parts
of it he can't stand. But I think I think
having a blue chipper on campus that you've got a
real shot at is something that never really gets old,
you know. But what would he do like we talk
about this retirement thing, but like that's part of it too.
I think that health would have to come into he likes.

(01:18:35):
I think he likes being tom Izzo right and wouldn't
and and I think he's been fairly reinvigorated during the season.
You don't want to be. But I think he likes
that part of it too. I think he likes a
lot of it still, and the parts that he doesn't
like or increasingly doesn't like still haven't ruined his program
from being the sort of program he wants. I think
that's where you you know, that's where I would have

(01:18:57):
a question if you would do this prematurely. I think
as long as he feels good and he doesn't feel
like the parts of his game that he doesn't love
are ruining his program, I think he'll continue to coach.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Are we going to have a Youngstown State right around?
Is there a Young's time? I don't know if we'll
do that this week. We'll probably do somebody else that
seems a bit we may have to. We may still
have like I don't know, after you're just hearing that
we may have quarterback here four hundred and thirty hot
takes so they get too. Well, that's true that we'll
have to have toyah. Yeah, we're gonna have to do
that Wednesday. Forget it, It's got you. This MSU game
felt like two thousand and seven when MSU beat Pitt

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in d'antonio's first season, went over a power conference team
and something to build off and keep the energy level
in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Yeah, that feels about the right size program. And you
know the difference is that was the first year of D'Antonio, right,
and and granted it had been a rough stretch under
John L. Smith, so people are looking for something. This
has been a harder stretch the end of the Mel
Tucker era and last year of the first year of
John L.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
This was a tougher stretch on people on the program.
This was this was as needed as as anything that
I can remember in a little while. This was this
was probably as needed. Now I'm overstating it, but I
just remember that. You know, when they beat Iowa the
year they won the Rose Bowl on the road that

(01:20:18):
October fifth, it was like this. You know, there had
been that Notre Dame game that was sort of a
disastrous finish, and it felt like they were just going
to let this defense it wasn't gonna happen for them,
and even they had this great defense that weren't going
to maximize it, and they go there and they look
like a team that can really do something. The offense
came alive and there was this It was just needed.
That moment was so needed. Very different scenarios, different teams,

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but this felt almost that needed and it was. It
was no small game.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Bill McLeod next for crying out loud coach McHale Zick
after this week's scrimmage, figure out who the five best
offensive linemen are and play them together.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I think you know, and they Jonathan Smith said it
in his or today, they're going to continue to rotate
the offensive line this week, which makes sense if you're
trying to still figure it out. They by the time
they get to USC, I would expect less of it,
because I do think it hurt them at times the
timing of some of the rotations in the offensive line,
and they'd had guys who had had a good stretch
and then were out and it wasn't as good. And

(01:21:18):
I don't think it's a recipe that works all season.
That said, you want guys who are capable of playing
and ready and there's an injury and stuff like that,
and I get all that, and if there's not a
lot of separation, it's difficult, but they need to figure
out a unit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Zach next when asked when asked some BC staffers at
crunchies after the game, if they are just good or
our d is porous, their immediate response was porous. This
defensive performance was a fire a bull ef fire bull
effen WHOA.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
So BC staffers at crunchies after the game, if they
are good or the d is porus? And they said porous?
So that's they all wear in their gear.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Im possible? So well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
If that's if that's the way it is, and that's
if coming from Zach and crunches the bats legit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
The thing is they usually I can't imagine they were
like the BC staffer should have been a flight. That's
my only problem with this, just knowing the way football
teams work. They usually don't stick around challenging his story
for a for a to go to crunchies. That's that's
all I'm saying. That would be my bull. I'm just

(01:22:23):
maybe they have a whole different way than most of
college football at BC. But that would be my concern.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Alex Mayer Number one, I was wrong last week. The
offensive line line is definitely not a top half of
the conference unit. And to sitting near the MSU bench,
the payer player leadership is very apparent with this group
and three baked Ryan Eckley should just legally change his
name to Ray Guy at this point early on he's
won the award. That'd be kind of weird. Well, it's

(01:22:50):
the Ray Guy Award. That's why it's a Yeah, it's
a I know, yeah, changes name to Ray Guy. That's
a good sign of you hearing chatter from the from
the MSHU bench, Pat Cavalley, maybe Spardy should contact the
Lions for advice on getting to the QB. Perhaps not
get it. Take USC's team total over in two weeks. No,

(01:23:15):
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah, I mean, if you want to, like just sort
of have something to couch your feelings a little bit
and get in the case. Yeah, that would USC wouldn't
be the worst worst play in the world. MSU is
gonna have to score points to win that game, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
It's that right, Thanks Miney, Mike. A next first great
MSU win stressful, exciting and necessary. Second, why does MSU
still run those slow developing fourth and one plays to
a back eight yards behind the line of scrimmage? Tragic
end bonus Superstitiously, we do push ups plus sit ups
of updated points totals following each score, and I can't

(01:23:53):
remember being so sore. Only groovy donuts can fight this pain.
Love it go green.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
It's probably good for your fitness, though, to do push
ups and sit ups after every score. And it's forty
to forty, it's all you bro, yeah, well, or or
you just put on a Muskox flannel and you don't
need the push ups and sit much easier. Yeah, yeah,
you just look like a modern man fit for the
world and looking like your very best self. I mean
I lose three chins when I put this on, So
if you're somebody like me us seven of them, a

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You don't want to set your backyard on fire. I'm
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Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Jay Rievenschneider didn't expect Michigan to win, but Oklahoma could
have won by twenty. Michigan's highly touted quarterback is new,
but there's got to be more to that offense. Maybe
they are protecting him is the best they know how,
or maybe they just aren't good coaches. Hopefully I'm wrong,
but this looks like another seven to five or eight
and four season at absolute best. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
I mean, their schedule is favorable to a point.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I'm not talking about Michigan, but and so I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Think they're gonna be worse than like seven to five,
eight and four. But the idea that they're going to
get to like ten wins and be in contention for
the playoff, I just don't don't see it. Base on
what we saw from Michigan, and it's not just that
they're playing a young quarterback. I think that makes it
very hard to do and have consistency there. You know,
I don't think they're that good at wide out. I

(01:25:42):
think their offensive line isn't that great right now, and
those are things that just are hard to overcome through
the course of the year. I still think their defense
is is pretty good. TC Brunsey.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Next, it seems like Michigan gets out coached when faced
with teams of similar talent. More end company don't provide
much confidence. Michigan's offensive line is below average in the
Big Ten. Bryce Underwood maybe a long work in progress.
Given the coaching and poor offensive line. It could be
looking for a portal change guys making a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
I don't know. I don't know if the portal is
where you want. I mean, the other thing that's going
to get interesting is that whatever he's making ten twelve million,
whatever he's making, came in before the House settlement, and
there can be lots of workarounds for that, and there
may be federal legislation that changes some stuff, But it
might not be as easy next year to get that
sort of contract through at a school. I don't know that,

(01:26:37):
you know, I don't know that that's going to be.
That's a really big number. And to argue that that's
you know, legitimate nil to any degree is is that's
a that's a huge, huge number. And maybe as a
quarterback in the University of Michigan, you can make that argument,
or you can make that argument if you wanted to transfer.
I'd be very surprised given the money and given that

(01:26:58):
he only went there for the money if if he left.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Mike Deschelter next college refts are ass unless you got
hosed on four to five critical plays and bonus. Has
the Lion's Super Bowl window been closed or passed? It's impressing.
I know, it's like one week, dude, Like, what are
you talking about? Well, yeah, I mean it was terrible, Yes,
here was What are we talking about? But it's a

(01:27:23):
fair it's it's it's it's a nervy question. It's a
nervy Yeah. I don't know. You don't need it. You
could have left that out. Well, it's on you. It's
on Graham. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Mike. Yeah, I'm not blaming Mike.
That's on Graham. Kurt was Newsky Spartan's good not great win.
Still need a pass rush and Lions six and eleven season. Hey, Brad,
do you now understand why you needed needed a compliment

(01:27:44):
to Hutchinson.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
I still like the over, and in fact, if you
can get a season adjusted over for them. I don't
know what it is. I looked at it, but I mean,
if you probably get over nine and a half right
now today, and I bet I would like that. I
would like that it was only ten and a half
going into the season and people are dominant, But you
think it'd be down at nine and a half. Maybe
it's ten flat, whatever it is, I think that's still good.
The idea that I mean, you get your money back.

(01:28:07):
They go ten and seven, then I bet you can
get it. I bet you it's lower than ten and
a half now for sure. Spartan dog ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
If the Lions don't win next week against Chicago, they
should shut it down and tank for Nustmayer. If they
played like they did yesterday against Chicago, Yeah, this will
be a fun show. It Actually, it won't be fun.
It'll be fun for other people, not me. Kevin from
Rochester Hills. Ryan Eckley is MSU's best player and the
Lions will be lucky to win eight games and soul

(01:28:36):
is bass O well is back, same old Lions for
you acronym. Yeah, assholes, we got thanks Kevin josh Inwood.
What the hell did we watch Sunday with the Lions?
And how the hell did we get Frank Ragnow back?

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Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Should send him some Muskox flannels too, and beg BPA.
Sunday made me feel like the Lions had a beautiful
two year window to win a title, blew it and
now the rest of the league has caught up to us.
I mean, yeah, that felt that way. Yesterday it did.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
I mean, you know, next week's a big week, big game,
big big one o'clock Sunday game.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Did it sucked? It felt that way. Vans the underrated
reason for the Lions slow start, not playing the starters
any in the preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
I do think this is logical in the sense the
number of teams starts slow. Now the Packers did not
start as slow. So you can say that, but I
you know NFL. You've heard it from NFL coaches these days.
They say the first four weeks is trying to find
your footing. Now you can't go in four and that
you know the other teams are in the same boat,
and you look worse than the other teams. But you

(01:30:15):
know the Lions to look that way. Though the Lions
have deserved a mulligan. They deserve a mulligan, they just do.
The week two has to look a lot better.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Matt's see number one. Lions have been very good, but
no one can convince me that they aren't cursed blowing
that lead in the NFC Championship. Best team of our lifetime.
Excuse me getting decimated by injuries, ragnow retirement when we
needed in one more year and two happy about the
MSU win. I hope they can build on it, but
I still see way too many similarities in the first

(01:30:45):
John Smith era. Terrible defense, bad penalties at inopportune times,
and struggling to beat average teams. We'll see what they
truly are versus USC and Baked. The Lions have forty
three million in cab space. They should have offered rag
Now thirty million for one year.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Year or get creative, right, you just had another kid
whant to spend time with his family, name a wing
of the building after Ragnow's kid, Like, do something, you know,
try and convince him to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
For You're like, money wasn't the prop Like there would
have been some sort of monetary right, It wasn't that.
I just wanted to quit. Do they have a daycare
program on site? I don't know. That's not the reason
why though, Right. It was injuries, Yeah, yeah, I know, right,
And you don't fault guys.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Guys know that they're going to live a tough life
later on for the pain they It just it's it's
the timing of it hurt, that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
That's that's all right. Austin Wolf MSU been three and
zero going to USC as a confident group should be
as good of a start as as this program has
had since twenty twenty one. And bonus, go pack Go
Lions held the forty six yards rushing and interior offensive line.
Look lost, Packers are for real? Who gives a fuck?
Why'd you leave this one in? Sorry Austin, Yeah, fuck you, Austin.

(01:31:52):
John Johnson, the Big Ten and SEC should adopt the
NFL type scheduling instead of locking games in so far
in advance one, verse one two, verse two, three, verse three,
et cetera. I know the numbers don't line up exactly,
but the fuck the bottom two teams They can play
each other as an extra Big Ten game.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Two of you with the same idea. Maybe I just
copied the same one twice, but I think this is
just party far. Yeah, it's just possible. No again, I
love the idea. I think it would be a fun,
fun series set up by the previous year pasy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Of all the positions to have a Rolls Rice Rolls
Royce level player at you probably wouldn't pick a punter,
but it's cool that MSU has a Rolls Royce of
a punter. Anyways, And bonus the Lion's not retaining Zeitler
was almost as big of a loss as rag Now
window looking awfully narrow right now. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

(01:32:41):
it's it's it's just not a good offensive line. You're right.
They got to do something and one game. Yeah, well see,
but this Bears game, let me see it. Okay, I
need to see it. Okay, crush tape, Let's do the game.
Let's do two more and then uh and then jump
down to h our friend over deck jerk guy and
then oh cool, that makes it easy for me, Barti Bartakamas.
I get the desire to establish the run, but MSCU

(01:33:02):
offensive coordinator Brian Linren needs to understand that it works
both ways. An effective passing game opens up the run game.
Chiles and the receiver group are the most talented part
of MSU's team. There's no reason to have less than
forty pass attempts per game. Yeah, I mean, you got
to take advantage we have and I look, establishing the
run is important. That's going to make it changes everything

(01:33:25):
for Aidan Chiles. When teams are scared of the play,
you know the play action works so much better. You
want to run the football. I do believed Antonio is
right about his record when they ran the ball forty
or more times. But your most elite player right now,
your best position group is your receivers, and so you
also have to make sure those guys are featured and
you can do it all at once, and the first

(01:33:47):
half was not enough use of marsh David Jackson having
two players with the same number on a football team
is ridiculous, ignoring walk ons. Apparently there's only eighty five
guys on scholarship. There are over tinety available numbers after
deducting retired numbers. Let's be serious starters on offense and defense,
both wearing number five. This never happened back in the day,

(01:34:12):
did not?

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
I think it did before you used to have one
hundred and twenty guys on the roster. Wasn't there two
number ones? Like ye, I think this is happened forever.
I mean, I do think this has been a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
I mean, David will make sure he will tell you
check the eighties, David, because they were like a David
Jackson is crazy because I think, I mean, this guy
knows everything well encyclopedia. This guy who am I upperduct
jerky upperduckt jerk guy. All right, upper deeck jerk guy.
This team is giving me hope and I don't like it.
And bonus, we need more sandwiches made out of donuts

(01:34:41):
instead of bread.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Here here, I would eat more. You've seen me eat
a burger. That was a groovy donut.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
What was that? A fritter? Just? I mean scary. You
want to see me have an orgasm? That was the moment.
The picture you took, it's pretty, it's pretty rough. It's
it's not great. It's not great.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I mean it's not one of the I would want
out there in the public on the public eye. But
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