Ep. 1084: Hot Take Monday: MSU football angst, apathy and where to go from here

We dug into our takes and yours — on Michigan State football, Jonathan Smith, what the program should do next, on AD J Batt, QB Aidan Chiles, the loss to Michigan, the Pistons, Red Wings, MSU hoops and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:36):
Wow, no, no, pound up pound pound the bushes.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
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Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, well I'm just not sure about that right now.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
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Speaker 5 (02:30):
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Speaker 6 (02:32):
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Speaker 5 (03:21):
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America has gotten soft. Hey, hey man, how are you?
I'm good? Yeah, I'm good. You know who doesn't look

(03:41):
good in a Muskox flannel? Who's that? Jonathan Smith? I
think even that wouldn't save him today. Yeah, preser, what
are we doing? Is he still a coach? It would
be a good first step. Was there not like an
announcement that there's gonna be like a new coach like
Rossi's gonna take us the rest of the way here
against his former team.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
He's the coach. He's the coach. He just had a
press conference today. Why they play a game this week?
And he is a Monday person. I would like, I'm good.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (04:05):
There's gonna be a lot of shitting on Jonathan Smith
in the show. I'm just going to warn people if you,
if you, if you don't like that, this is not
the show for you. And because our our takes from
listeners are are are at that point. To his credit,
Let let I do want to say this, To his credit,
he has not been defensive at all.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
That means you'd have to show emotion.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Well that's but you know what I mean, like that
you can sense it even there. It is he looked
like a man who was defeated on Saturday. He looked
like a guy knew it was coming. That was the
closest that whole room had, as I wrote, just sort
of an air of inevitability. But like today, you know,
I mean, I think he knows what's coming. He doesn't
talk there like it. But he also has not been

(04:49):
somebody who's been like snapping at people for asking tough questions. Well,
I'm going to tell you right now at this point,
Mark Antonio would be in this situation, Mel Tucker would
be in this situation, those two guys, tom Izzo, it
would be doing one something here. I'm just saying every
other you know, I don't know if Nightingale would have,
but the a lot of the others would. And so that,

(05:09):
to his credit, is something that I think is there
has to be a part inside of him. Though it's
like thirty Mili, that's not bad, though. Five hundred grand
for another six years likely bad. That's what would get me.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Like when you were asking me a question at oppresser,
I look down and see solarian human, I'd be like
five hundred k for the next six years.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
I think here's I think here's the reason he doesn't
think that way. I think he knows first of all,
first of all hurts your career right and the things
you want to do. But also he knows how many
people it also effects that are under him, Like there's
a whole village that comes with him to go. All
these people have to move and change. He's not good
for this, this college football landscape.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Get out of here. If you feel emotions like that.
You think Brian Kelly felt any emotions like that last night? No,
you don't. You know fifty large right now?

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Man, No, Brian Kelly, actually, James Franklin, these guys, I mean,
I'm not saying they don't have a soul, and I'm
not saying they aren't heartless, but you have to have
those Yeah, that's it's a different the different.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Quess Smith is what happens when you have a soul.
That's how you can say it. You have a soul
in this college football land.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
So j Batt's first question and in the interview process
for the next coaches, do you have a soul? And
if the question is yes, you just end the interview there.

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should we should we here? And you tell me where
are we going from here? Like, well, is it gonna
happen after Minnesota? Like it's really it bums me out

(07:13):
to have to watch Smith dude like go through this
process here. So I figured it wasn't gonna happen Sunday,
but I wasn't sure. It was to the point that, like,
I mean, Magic Johnson's getting in on it now. I
left the press. What did Magic just tweet? Magic Johnson?
What did Magic Let me just get it for you?
Hold on, okay, Magic Johnson, it's been hard for me

(07:33):
to cheer for my Michigan State football team. They are
zero and five and the Big ten. The offense is
lacking imagination, and the team overall looks uninspired.

Speaker 6 (07:44):
Man, I mean that is the you know what's unpic
is tweeting. You know what's uninspired the total he's given
to the Lanting.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Promise, pound the bushes, Magic.

Speaker 6 (07:54):
Magic, bring here? You have a tweet that means bring
it to the Lanting promise? Actually say so bad? He
did say, I just pissed. No annoyed. Yeah, I'm fired up.
Oh come on, you're writing columns now. I was like, oh,
you know, it's like, yeah, man, it's not good. What
do we need to see him for to make him
earn his thirty mili? What are we calling Brian Kelly

(08:16):
him in here? So I left the press box on
and I talked about this in the video with Solari
a little bit in Windster. But I left the press
box on Saturday evening thinking, you know that that wasn't good.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
But it's not this.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
This definitely won't be it. And after that press conference,
in which it did feel I mean, Jay Batt standing
in the back of the room as he often does,
I'm not that's not unusual.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
It's just kid Rock there.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Kid Rock was not there, and some of our listeners
are not happy about kid Rock being there. But Kid
Rock was not the press conference at least that I saw.
But after that press conference and just the tone of
it and the questions and where things were, I wasn't
one hundred percent sure that Jonathan Smith would get through Sunday.
In fact, you know, I worked deep into the night
and so in the morning I told my wife, I

(09:06):
was like, you you know, I need you to pay
attention to this and if you see anything, I need
you to wake me up, Like, just wake me up,
even if I've only gotten four hours sleep whatever, wake
me up. And she kept texting me even though I
was sleep like nothing yet okay, point yeah, but she
did wake me up when Max Bulla got uh when
Max Buller got suspended in twenty thirteen, like three in
the morning, she got up to use the bathroom, saw

(09:28):
the news somehow, and then said, I think this is
a big deal. And yeah, it was a big moment
for Elizabeth, big moment through that. Yeah, we don't eve
been dating like a year at that point. I mean
if she had failed there, who knows? Isn't it great
when they still care? Oh yeah, you know back then
now it's like whatever. No, she would have she knew this,
she would have been a big deal. But I didn't
know that he was going to make it through Sunday,
and I don't I think if if things look bad

(09:49):
at Minnesota, you know, if this team shows up there
and just.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Looks like it spend what can I get? Like what
bad means?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well?

Speaker 5 (09:56):
What do I mean again? For again? Bad?

Speaker 6 (09:58):
At the Michigan Game's over root against them. But Michigan
and Indiana were not bad in terms of effort. They
were bad in terms of execution and an ability and
winning the game. Yes, And what I'm saying is if
they show up and get shlacked and look like they're done,
then I and You're going into a bye week. I
think next Sunday there's a decent chance it's it. Otherwise
I think it's going through the end of the season.

(10:18):
But at the end of the season it's done, like
we're it's just not. It's not going to continue. There's
just almost no way. And and I just I wish
there's certain things I can't one hundred percent report, but
I just I just know there is not put it
this way. The one thing you can say that that
that that's fair is there has been zero public support

(10:40):
outside of Iszo for him. From him, There's been no
comment from Jay Batt, there's been no comment from the
president other than wanting fans that support the team. Last
week from Kevin Guskowitz. That is just really telling stuff
and people should read into that correctly. So the question
now is when you get your ducks in a row

(11:00):
makes most sense for the program going forward? And there
are debates on that. And because this is happening earlier
than I think they anticipated, because a lot of the
issues that Michigan State had that have hindered Jonathan Smith
are going to be difficult to fix quickly enough for
the next Like right now, I think you have to
make sure you have your ducks in a row so

(11:20):
you don't screw up this next thing. I don't think
you should be intimidated by the idea that there are
a million coaches being fired right now and everybody is impatient,
and there's and this is gonna be everywhere, and you're
gonna be up competing for people. You got to find
your person and go out and get them, you know.
And so that's you don't worry. There's gonna be a
lot of job openings every year. You can't be scared
of LSU or Florida or whatever. I mean, that's not

(11:42):
that's not the way this works. You got to go
get your When you know something is no longer going
to work, you have to make a move. It does
not mean you have to make the move in season.
Why why why why?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I mean the way the defense is played they played
against Michigan, Why when ROSSI come down on the your boy.
You should be sitting there wanting to promote your boy.
But to sit there and watch Smith, I didn't need
to see any postgame presser. That stadium was dead, the
fan base is dead. There's no reason to have Jonathan
Smith coach this day. If you want to get your
ducks in a row. I understand that before the term,
the time in between you fighting the head coach, why

(12:15):
not have a guy who seems like he gives a
shit and his defense is playing well to try to
get some momentum built somehow. But to watch Jonathan Smith
go out and coach again and do these pressers is
just really depressing.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
I think there are a couple things. One I think
if you were going to fire him after a performance
on the field that was like based on just effort
and a team that looked like it was giving in
and just done, you would have done it after the
UCLA game. The last two weeks have not been that
they played a Michigan defense that's better than any defense

(12:46):
maybe they faced and is playing really well. It just
held Washington to like seven points in Washington just put
like fifty on Illinois. They and so that didn't look good,
and that wasn't a good coaching performance. The team didn't
look good. The area of the offense. That the area
of the team, the offense, the passing game that was
supposed to be their equalizer was not. I'm not excusing it.
I'm just saying you get rid of a coach midseason

(13:07):
when people stopped responding. What was the when when Bobby
Williams lost the team? They made the move in season,
that's when.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
You make it.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
I mean again, in LSU, they do things differently. They
got the governor involved. LSU's a wacko place, right, They're
they're the ADL Whitmer.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
What does she want?

Speaker 6 (13:22):
The a d A LSU is responsible for like the
two biggest buyouts in college football history back to back.
The guys a moron and they're going to keep using
that person to make financial higher. So like that's it's
a whole different a whole different culture, a different deal.
And and Brian Kelly's been there a little longer in
a much less sympathetic figure.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
But I would trust Brian Kelly to worm his way
out of something like this. I don't think Jonathan Smith
can do anything of the sort. And it's just getting
embarrassing and more embarrassing so.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Well, and the other the other component of that, there
are two other things to look at. One is do
you want and I think this is something they're cognizant enough,
do you want Michigan to be the school that knocked
out your coach? I don't think they want that.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
They already did it, I mean pretty much from everything.
I mean Michigan fan and Jordan was telling me he
could not believe how the fan base it was just
so hollow in that Spartan stadium. And I understand Spartan
fans because you don't know what you're rooting for, but
he just could not believe that there was zero fight
in a lot of the fan base.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
And the flip side is is gratifying as it might
feel to fire him now, which is gratifying. Gratification should
not be something that should not be a reason. That's
not good leadership. That's why fans aren't the world. That's
why Matt c is not the ad because because ultimately
you also have to think about the next coach and
the player turnover and and what you want that roster
to look like, and what's what's best for the whole picture.

(14:34):
And if you're not sure it's making a move, now,
you don't make the move. Now you don't now Again,
you can disagree with that, and and that's fine too,
And there may be an argument that you know, you
can give a good argument that you do make the move,
but that that's the argument I would make, is the
counterpoint to the idea of why he's still there. The
other thing is, I do think this week matters, Like
you're going into a bye week after this week, and

(14:56):
if they if they if they just give in at Minnesota,
you know it'll that will be it will be very
interesting to see if they if they continue. It's also
also year two, so it's also and I get that
he's not going to make it to year three, but
it is different than other situations where you just kind
of know what they've had their run. This is this
is a new deal where it's like this person was

(15:18):
brought in to build a program and you're pulling the
plug for a lot of reasons. And I think this
brings me to one of my points. Jonathan Smith is
going to be shipped on a lot in this podcast.
I've written that, I've written that it's it's done. It's
it's it's the inevitable is looming? Right Magic, Well, thank
you Magic, you know, get on the Lansing promise. So

(15:39):
we need to still watch this guy coach game. So
it's going to happen. It's just there's no way he
comes back next year, all right, But so so now
let's at least look at the other factors. So this
mistake isn't who else needs to be held accountable and
how do you make sure the next person has success?
Because Jonathan Smith was up to fail. Now he could

(16:02):
be better than he has been, and that's why he's
going to be let go. If they just won the
u c l A game in the Nebraska game, the
Michigan game wouldn't be the end all be all that
it feels like right now, and we people might be
frustrated after it, but we wouldn't be talking about not
having a year three. Things He could have done enough
with the pieces he has to get to a year three.
And that's why he's not going to get to a

(16:23):
year three. It's beyond the even with the even with
the the issues of people not liking his emotion, being
a West Coast guy, whatever, not understanding the rivalry, whatever
it might be. If he had just won those other
two games, if they were even, you know, if they
had beaten UCLA even, it would have been I think
a different conversation.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
And so.

Speaker 6 (16:46):
But like today, he was asked by Steven Brooks about
whether he had the resources when he got this job.
He was, and he kind of danced around it. He said,
there should be more transparent this, but he's not that
transparent with it. And I think that would help him too,
if at some point he should just say, you know,
we do have some limitations here, and they're really going
to have to decide if it's not going to be me,

(17:07):
they're gonna have to decide what they want to do
and how serious they want to Because mel Tucker felt
the same way, and he was asked the question about that,
and the first thing he did was sort of of
this grin, like, no, he didn't have the resources. There
are very few coaches who could have success with the
money they had going into this season and the timing
in which they had it relative to the teams they're

(17:29):
trying to beat. They got to the amount of money
that was needed to have the full rev share from
everything I understand, but they didn't have anything really extra,
and that's not how you win this seasons, especially in
college football. Now, he was also asked about choices they made,
and I'm sure they have some regrets about places certain
guys they paid more than others and investments, and he

(17:51):
talked about that today too. But so they need to
figure out and the school, the donor base, the administration
needs to figure out how they're going to fund this thing,
how they're going to be cutting a how they're going
to do this at a level that's greater than this,
because what they're doing now will just lead to another
more pissed off fans and other coach who fails, and
maybe he'll connect, Maybe he'll go guy, I can relate
to that guy, and so maybe it'll work a little

(18:12):
longer and it will be Jaybat's higher, so it'll be
more than two years, and so they'll have a little
more time. But this is no longer Jonathan Smith's problem,
and this is a Jay Bat it's on him now,
it's on the president, it's on the donor's base, it's
on the fan base, and it's on people to demand
certain things like we talk about transparency and lack of it.

(18:35):
The fans to some degree own the program unless and
yet they're sort of pushed to the side because they
don't know exactly what's going on and how they can help.
And if they're not going to be asked to help,
then the donor base that is asked to help that
needs to be all in. Otherwise, fans need to be
asked for some crowdfunding campaign where everybody gives a little
and you do it that way. Like they need to
be transparent going forward. The Scores Act that Jay Bat

(18:58):
I think was hoping would pass that I had mixed
feelings about, is not going to happen, certainly not in
time for next year. And so what does next year
look like? And what do you have financially to help
the next person? That said the next person is gonna
have to It's gonna have to be somebody who energizes
people and help sell the program. And I do think
there will be more funds available. I think, you know,
we talk about Jonathan Smith's personality or lack of belief

(19:21):
in him. That's part of the reason that ms U
is where it is. I mean, the guy knows how
to cover a point spread. I mean if you want
to say he's done that. He's done that.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
By the way, Michigan State plus three and a half
already at Minnesota. Sharp's jumping on it. He's the point
spread king. Yeah, I would be on the Gophers for that.
I don't really do any investigation of how they covered
that spread on Saturday night.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Vegas does not know Michigan say football. I mean, because
Minnesota looked awful against Iowa, but everything went wrong against them,
and they're gonna be kissed off.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
They're five and three.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
They haven't given up on their season in Michigan State,
like this is all like, look if MSU goes out
and beats Minnesota again again.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's is this his wrong path for Smith's day?

Speaker 6 (20:02):
No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is it
would certainly get him to the end of the season.
But it would it would would be a credit to
him and his staff and this team and the culture
they've sort of created that they kept showing up like
this is this is an interesting week from that that component,
it's not an interesting week for his future. I just
I am I can't imagine, Like you know, Solari keeps

(20:25):
talking about whll there's still a path to a bowl game,
and there is. I don't I think they could get
to a bowl game. And I don't know that he'd
be he'd be brought by I will.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
There is just is.

Speaker 6 (20:34):
I mean, the team we watched, how the hell are
they going to win enough to get to a ball game.
I don't know that they beat Maryland. I don't think
they're going to beat a downtrodden Penn State team necessarily.
I do not think they're gonna win a Minnesota. They're
definitely not gonna win in Iowa.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Iowa.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
It might be one of the top, you know, ten
to fifteen teams in the country, the only team that
really pushed Indiana the way the way they did, and
and yeah, I don't see it, but I do think
it's we're the point now where and I understand as
long as Smith is the coach, that's a big part
of the story. But I do think it's a point

(21:08):
now where you have to look at everything else because
it's now what's next, and for what's next to be better,
there have to be other things in place. You have
to get the right guy, and you know, we'll see
what that looks like. Do you have a first take no,
let's get to these people. Man, all right, let's do
it's everybody, all right?

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Eric Schultz up first, number one. Jonathan Smith looks like
a guy who knows he's done so. He's entered Fitt mode,
going for two, not kicking a field goal to cut
it to one score. It's like a kid playing mad.
MSU had a real chance to win that game with
an interim and two. Because of that, this is just
as much on Jay back if he fired this guy

(21:47):
two weeks ago, like he should have. State isn't a
better shape in that game? Strike one, Jay three. The
longer it takes to pull the trigger, the less serious
we look about football. The less serious we look, the
harder it will be to get a coach who has
any real options this offseason. They're better on the field
without him, The optics are better without him. Get this

(22:07):
clown off my campus. Yeah, I don't vo. I don't
know if you tie you know, waiting to make a
move to how serious MSU looks about football. From an
outside perspective, I think there are a lot of people
outside who don't even realize MSU is about to make
this move because it's only in the middle of the
year two. So I'm more and more now worse though

(22:28):
that you're not even on the radar of people in
the national landscape. Though.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Yeah, but Eric is not a nose. Eric is not alone.
He speaks for a He speaks for a lot of
the people.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
Dominic number one, Graham, I don't give a fuck who
looks deeply into your eyes. Essentially, we don't have to
wait to cast any judgment because, as you'd preach, we
don't know. Yes, people knew. I knew, Jason k new,
Matt c knew, and you know who else knew? Deep
down you, Graham, and too couch to the game day

(23:00):
experience is so horrendous, to the point that I don't
know why I keep renewing. The lack of order at
the entrances, the concourse being so jammed you literally cannot
move the bleachers from nineteen seventy one concession lines, no
mobile vendors, all of the game stoppages. Fuck this three
for scorekeeping. Graham can mention blumpkins with the governor, but

(23:22):
I have to watch my tongue regarding unknowingly dating a
fucking counterfine looking forward to you and Loewe's co author
and a column this week entitled why Dominic dating a
hooker was his own fault ourcu We're working on it,
just need Los's half. Bonus Couch dropping a grammatical correction

(23:42):
on me last week with the me versus I was
some weak sauce. First because I'm one of the most
competent fucks on here. And second, I will happily correct
your sunshine blowing takes from the last seven years. With
all due respect appreciate the Dominic. I wanted to do it.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
So what I did, I wanted to correct it because
a lot of people make this mistake, including people I
work with. Brian Callaway makes a mistake our prep editor.
It's it's, you know, the when you use I versus
me and a and a and a sentence and and
it drives me nuts. And I see it all the time,
and then I won't retweet like Brian will send out
is a column or something he did and it says,

(24:21):
you know, and it's the wrong version of it. I
can't retweet in good conscience.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I can't do. It's one of the big things that
drives me nuts. And I think it's it's yeah, it's
the writer in me.

Speaker 6 (24:30):
So I apologize because you are Dominic, I rely on
your grammar because there are other people whose grammar I
really have to work on here and and take time on.
So you could probably get just about anything in other
than too many mentions of the word hooker.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Yeah, Captain Sparty, let me guess everyone's hot take is
Fire Smith and higher Urban, John Gruden and Max Buller. Damn,
I didn't think about Gruden. Can we get Gruden here? Oh?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Man?

Speaker 6 (24:54):
There are a few of them, Captain SPARTI and uh.
And to Dominic's first point that I knew, like the
idea that I knew you knew, I yeah, No, I
mean I I didn't know. No, I didn't know. I
mean maybe I'm an idiot, But I did wonder, like
if he could, if he could have a little success.
I wanted to see how that would look for people.

Speaker 5 (25:12):
But you knew there was no Jews coming in though,
when you were trying to make it, like at the
very beginning.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Juice, Yeah, a lot of people Jews. A lot of
people thought this was a decent higher and then and
then in June when the recruits started to commit or
whatever the fuck they do, that that was a There
were people who felt Okay, maybe there's something here. You know,
people people weren't out, and there's people weren't out after

(25:37):
Boston College. There are some who were there, some who
have been out on him since last year. But I
think he he very much still had a chance until
until Nebraska and u c l A. And at least
a chance because a guy like him needs time to
build a program. And again I don't know whether the outsider,
whether the donor base or other you know whether he

(25:57):
ever would have had a true chance, and I don't.
And and the problem he has now it's not just
that he's not going to be given the chance. He
hasn't He hasn't deserved the chance. Right, you have to
win enough in twenty twenty five to deserve the chance.
The product on the field and some of the decisions
that have been made week over week have has just
not earned people's faith. I'm not sticking up for he

(26:20):
should have had more time. This is all because other
people didn't give him a chance. I knew he was
fighting an uphill battle on several fronts, but I did
think he might be able to do enough to buy
enough time to win, enough to stick it out for
a while and then maybe some hearts and mind's turn.
But the finances of it were going to be interesting,
and I would it was gonna be going to be
interesting to see how that would turn because think about this.

(26:40):
Think if he had beaten Think if they were five
and three and they had beaten the UCLA and Nebraska
and they were he was coming back next year and
they got to seven wins and things looked okay, but
there were a lot of people who still were out
on him. But at that point he's coming back. At
that point, it's on Jay batt and on him and
on the donor base on it to support it, to

(27:02):
give it a chance. It would have been interesting to
see how that would have played out, and I would
have been very curious to see it. I don't think
that's shame we won't see that, and you're not going
to Omer Spartan.

Speaker 5 (27:12):
Two three one next. Max Bulla should be the next
Higher Boom. I don't care about experience. I want someone
who gives a fuck about MSU and is tough and
as strong ties. Let's just do it. What else do
we have to lose? Missing a bull and from some dude.
Give me Max Buller, give me all the Bulla's Chuck
Shane Hank, Riley Hank Junior. If there is one, is

(27:33):
there a Steve Bulla, Reggie JaMarcus, all the dead Bullas too,
those guys, no ball anyone named Bulla.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
So there's a lot of Max Buller talk. I will
say this about Max Buller. I mean, I think he's
a great football mind. I think he's a natural leader.
I think he's somebody who's gonna have a really good
coaching career. And I'm not saying you can't. People can't
be ready before it's obvious they're ready and be ready young.
But I'm going to tell you this, not one person
in the fan base pushing for Max Bullet right now

(28:06):
knows that he's ready because they don't know Max Bulle.
I don't know that Max bull I'm not saying I
know that he's ready, but that's part of the interview
probably if you're pushing for Max bull I thought Jonathan
Smith was ready, Well he looked right again, right, I'm
saying I'm not saying he's not ready. I'm just saying,
you know, he hasn't been a coordinator yet, which is
usually the next step for somebody, and you know, to

(28:26):
know how to fix the defensive. Maybe he could right now,
maybe he'd be fine. I you know, I just think
it's probably a little early. But we've seen guys have
success without being coordinator. That's PJ flex, you know, trajectory.
We've seen it here and there. He is alleged. I
think the best case scenario, if you really want Max
Bull on campus, would be that the next coach, whoever

(28:48):
it is, hires Bullet to take that next step as
a coordinator. And if you really want Bullet to be
your eventual next coach, you would have him coming as
a coordinator for a coach who was in their sixty
with the idea that maybe that guy eventually is the successor.
And those you know, if you if you're you can
you can look at the coaches who are about about
that age or whatnot. That would be I think a

(29:10):
more realistic and.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
I think the buyouts are going to change though, like
the structure of coaches contracts coming up, as we see
a lot of teams that need a coach. When they
hire these guys, do you think it it'll be different.
I just don't think that these schools want to wrap
themselves up and the ten year fifty million dollar thing
over their heads.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
So the problem with that is you're competing for these guys,
So where's the leverage? Who has the leverage? That's the
hard part for this. I agree like at certain schools,
you know.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
We joke about Brian Kelly, but are we really dying
to have Brian Kelly on this campus? Right and are
we really? I mean, I don't know. No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
I wouldn't want Brian Kelly's I don't think he's listening
to a couple of comments, it sounds like he checked
out a little bit at LSU. I think he's done.
I think that this is it.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
This is it.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
And the way he left Notre Dame, it's just like,
but yeah, and he wanted the MSU job when D'Antonio
got it, that was when he was in his coaching prime.
He's no longer there, and he's not. You know, I
talk about Jonathan Smith being a decent human being, That
is not a prerequisite. And I think a lot of
people right now are fed up to the point that
they would just go with anybody, even if they were
the devil. But I I think you should try to

(30:15):
hire somebody who is also a decent human being.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Uh okay, but can they have they have to have
a personality, though, decent human being with a personality, or
else I'm going devil. I can't deal with another one
without a person the devil with You're right, you have
to have you have to have the whole package to
do this right. But I think being a deal. You
don't have to be a great guy. You don't have
to be you know, you don't have to fully fund

(30:39):
the lancing promise and be the football coach. If you
did that, I would write nothing but blowing, glowing and
blowing glowing columns. She's Freudian slip. I'd probably do that too.
But I'm just hear your voice in my head when
I take a ship. Like I'm telling you right now,
if the next coach wants nothing but a glowing review
for me, even at zero to twelve, fully fund the
lancing promise and when we're I'm pushing for you, you know,

(31:03):
because you know, because he hates the state journal. Who's
going to read that shit? Wow, I'm just clow Sunshine
Spartan eighteen seven seven zero. Next, Serious programs don't bat
and eye about paying fifty million to get rid of
their coach. Meanwhile, MSU, MSU risk alienating its fan base
for thirty This talks volumes on where the program stands

(31:25):
in the pecking order and Bake take LSU will welcome
back there King and Nick Saban to bring LSU back
to glory. Saban's first hire will be none other than
melt Tucker as their defensive coordinator. Was he saving seventy four? Now,
I just you know, we don't have enough time for
all of that crazy? Why would Saban want to come
back to this college football?

Speaker 6 (31:45):
Yeah, he's done, he's done. And I think when you
watch with Belichick and him, yeah, I mean I have
a little more. I have a little more faith in
Saban than Belichick one thousand percent. But you still have
that in the back of your head.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
If you're saving, you come back and ruin it all
you go on that freaking set on ESPN, everybody looks
at you like a god.

Speaker 6 (32:01):
Well, and the other thing is you may be able
to do it at seventy four, but can he hit
seventy seven? You know, seventy eight? Like you're gett into
an era where and it's just you know, there's a
certain age where people start to decline usually.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
And really and we've just I think we've seen the president.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
We've seen it a little bit and so I and
that's just that's a that's a standard thing, especially the
men of that that generation. Now, maybe when we get
to be that old, if we make it, because we
haven't actually done the hard labor in our lives, will
uh not lately anywhere, not yet, We'll we'll live a
little longer. Although I would guess some of my choices
are gonna.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Be would miss Terry let Nick Saban coach John Johnson.
Number One, Do MSU fans think fondly of Saban because
of what he accomplished after MSU, As MSU was on
pace to get him fired Eventually, his success seems to
be due to talent and not exit. Oh see the
NFL at MSU resumes. Plus he bailed as soon as

(32:56):
the NIL leveled the field. And two, is it a
good thing for MSU to have big names in the
coaching cycle? Is it in their best interest to hire
a retread like Brian Kelly? Maybe MSU would have less
overall expectations but less resources than LSU. Also, if they
strike out, it will break an already fractured fan base ego,

(33:17):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah, if I'm an Ashue, I'm not worried about You
got to get your guy. You got to identify who
that is, you know, and I'm not everybody saying you're
Kurt Signetti, who is available Elon and other places long
before that. But you do have to identify somebody who's
right for you, and maybe that allows the buyout to
be a little less. Maybe you know you got to
go out and it doesn't have to be I mean,

(33:39):
you are going to compete against some teams, but if
you want to Pat Fitzgerald or something like that, you
should be in the mix for that sort of person.
If you want a patent our Doozy, you want to
pat everybody named Pat, you should have You should have
the ability to be in the in the game now
they have to. There's a buyout on the other end
with our Doozy and I'm not sure where he is.
But but what about the search firms?

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Do you need to get rid of those if you
want to try to look for these netty kind of
guy those I just don't feel like the search firms
are going to help you if you want to try
to get Again, it's how they're used.

Speaker 6 (34:06):
And I mean sometimes they're supposed to use for the
background stuff, and famously they were with Mel Tucker. But
the I do think there is a purpose in terms
of getting in the door. It's how you use them.
I think ultimately, though, you can use the search firm
as part of your deal, but the buck stops with you,
and a lot of it needs to be your intuition,

(34:26):
your interviewing skills, of your jay batt your ability to
say this person fits and this is why, and that
that you know you can use search firms will help
you in certain ways. And I'm not completely against them.
I think they're overused sometimes and I think some of
them fail and they miss certain types of candidates. But
they're good at going after the big names and having
a feel you know, and and so if you want

(34:47):
to at least you know, touch base in that in
that realm, because sometimes and this has happened with this
job in the last round, there are bigger names than
you would think of, and I wish I could get
Hallard to tell me who these were. But there are
people who are interested, there are people reach out. Whether
you get them, I don't know. And I'm not just
talking to the urban Meyer thing. I'm talking like there

(35:09):
are coaches you'd be surprised sitting head coaches, and so
you never know who looks at that and goes, that's
a place I can because think about taking over MSU
right now, if you believe the resources can be there,
if you can, if you believe you can excite the
donor base, if you believe like MSU is a better
place to go, because look at the expectations and what
it would take to win people over after a little

(35:29):
bit of we're now removed from Mark d'antonio's peak by
quite a bit, and people are really suffering. And if
you produced eight or nine wins in a couple of years,
people would be pretty thrilled and then give you time
to sort of try to take it to even the
next level. Whereas you know, I think when Smith was
hired and after the two thousand, you know, or still

(35:53):
twenty twenty one was still recent, it still felt like
strike gold here, right And I think I'm not saying
you don't have to strike gold in some way, but
I'm just saying like it might be an appealing job,
more appealing than it seems like when you really want
to go to Florida where they fire a coach all
the time, freaking backsweat body odor, all that stuff. That's

(36:14):
probably why they're not why they're going to turn out
in the job. But what I mean is the expectations
there are tricky, and maybe the resources better. Maybe it's
a great better job, and it might be a better job.
I'm just saying that you can see why this job
wouldn't be unappealing if you believe, if and only if
you believe the resources can be there.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
The Inspector Javert of Southern Maine Javert as soon as
you said part of Jay Batt's plan to help the
football program was the Scores Act. I knew we were fucked.
That news was the day's distraction. It was never going
to be more than a new cycle swerve to get
people to stop talking about Epstein.

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Jay Batt is an unserious person. The Scores Act thing
was interesting with him because ultimately Jay Batt to this
point publicly has been similar to where Alan Haller was
on on and I L and there are other ads
like it where it's like the rev share is there
and then everything else needs to be more legitimate and
I l and I don't think that's where Texas, A
and M is going to be though, right, I don't

(37:13):
think that's where we'll see where Michigan and Ohio state land.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
But I it's a it what you know.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
And and again I haven't talked to Jabad about this stuff.
I hope to sit down with him at some point
in the fairly near future, after or before the fiery
It won't be before, oh, I mean, I'm pretty sure that.
But you know, one of the things and and I'd
like to get to know him is you know, get
to know him as a person beyond just the ad thing. Well, no,
I'm just talking about a story a profile on it.

(37:42):
But I think part of the question is like how
you handle this stuff now and with the scores act
isn't going to be there, that's a legitimate question, like
how do you compete with schools that are going to
take different routes? And maybe he has a plan. I
mean j Batt was brought in to get Michigan State
financially to a place where it can play a big
time ball. That's his job and so I you know,

(38:03):
and and he's very aware of that, But I'm curious
to see where it goes.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
Thomas next This carousel's next slate of coaching hires looking
for the next Signetti will either rein in at least
some of the money and expectations and lead to the
next big realignment or accelerate the spots. Unwatchability is the
sport sports the sports unwatchability. I don't know what you're
trying to do to me. Bonus, the Pistons will get
me invested enough to be super disappointed come playoffs. Hey,

(38:31):
the Pistons are fun to watch. I've watched them so far.
I watched them against Boston last night. Houston.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
Yeah, he'll take any shit, you know. And it's sort
of like the Tigers when they got decent enough it is.
I'll be honest, I'm not gonna watch every Pistons game.
I'm not that type of person. But it is nice
when they're relevant and it's like, hey, the Pistons are
on tonight, right, and I'm gonna watch that. And and
they just that first game, I was a little nervous
because they came out looking flat, But the last two
games they've looked really promising. Jalen Duran looks great. Could

(38:59):
be a fun winter for the Red Wings are obviously
a lot better. It could be a we're a decent
what's so funny? Is I don't know this is funny?
Michigan say fans will not find it's funny. But like
eight years ago, even less than that, four years ago,
there was a period where like Michigan Michigan State were
just carrying the state and from a sports standpoint, they
were everything because the pro sports are so bad and

(39:22):
at least in the football realm, it's it's it's it's
flipped and then you know, the other sports have gotten better,
which is good. You can't you can't be down with
pro sports that long. It's just it's depressing the urinal
A portal.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Kevin from Rochester Hills, number one Penn State and ls
you care about football? Two refs are ass but shitty
coaching in play are worse. Three. Halloween candy should never
be purchased two weeks in.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Advance, even a like a what about a year in
advance when like it's on sale.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
You can't have it in the house, right, you just can't.
That's the problem. Yeah, it never makes it two weeks.
That's the thing.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Elizabeth bought a bunch for us last week. She's going
to have to restock. It's mostly sitting there. It's just
it's like putting.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
It's not quite the extent instind of having a groovy
donuts box right in front of me, but it just
it's there and it And the thing is they're small,
so you feel like you're not really adding calories. But
when you have eventually fourteen mini candy bars, that's not great.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
You know, the size of them makes you feel better
about it.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
Yeah, as you're eating the one, you're like one on
its own, isn't that bad? But unfortunately this is not
don't mind if I do.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
This is not where I stop. Yeah, Jeff Peterson next.
So the defense played better kind of Joe Rossi shows
some fire, but the offense sucks kind of. Quarterback play
was weak, kind of but did some good things. Kind
Of wish they wouldn't pan in on Smith during critical
moments of the game. Kind of.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
We'll talk to our friends at Exfinity about that, see
if they can have some sway over just not showing
Jonathan Smith. If but if by the way, if you're
looking for ways to watch MSU basketball all winter, uh,
just to get all your stuff in one place right
and and have the best cable streaming experience you can.
Infinity is here for you. Go to Infinity dot com, UH,

(41:10):
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(41:30):
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that with at Exfinity dot com and type in your address.
Cut some of the cut some of the cost. And
I'm telling you what the Exfinity Mobile to their ability
to have the same services as Verizon at a lower
cost is definitely worth something. It was definitely worth looking into.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Too.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
Crazy to the to the question, I know people get
frustrated by It's just Smith doesn't he needs you know,
we talked about this before with Jim Caldwell, We talked
about this with other people. You need a better resting
face with Jim Harbaugh. Smith needs a ROSSI edit figured out. Yeah,
it's got to get you know yell every once in
a while. Next job, he's got to hire like a
consultant for this. Yep, Chris.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
If you want to fire Smith because of the lack
of success, I get it, even if the better option,
in my opinion, is to use that money on nil
and improve the roster like Virginia has done. If you
want to fire Smith because his personality won't work at
MSU st FU, personality is why rich Rod got replaced
by Hope.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
This is where there's a little bit of a divide.
A lot of people don't like Smith lack of fire,
but there are a lot of people who think this
is this is overblown to and I hear about him
and emails and some frustration on this front. Rich Rod
was not a fit as well too. Michigan did run
out a coat. Now there's a difference, Like I covered

(42:56):
a team at Western Michigan, by the way, when I
lived in Kalamazoo that played against both Peak rich Rod
at West Virginia when they had Pat White at quarterback
and all those guys in two thousand and seven, and
then the next year Peak Brady Hoak at ball State.
The rich Rod and Hope things are different. Rich Rod
had it rolling and should have won a national title.
They didn't lose the pit in that was it a

(43:18):
Big East championship game back then, rich Rod never becomes
the Michigan coach because he would have been coaching for
a national title game and he would have left, and
that rich Rod great coach, bad fit Michigan blew that
to some degree. Rich Rod blew it to another.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
But I get it.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
The hope thing is just like what Michigan State has
to not do is hire Brady Hoke. Like Brady Hook
took six years to get ball State to have a
great team, and he had a great offensive line and
a quarterback with a talented arm or. They simplified the
offense for and it just worked. They had all the
seniors at once, and then the program fell apart, and
everybody overreacted. The Munthsye Star Press, the paper, the newspaper,

(44:00):
and Munsey Indiana. The ball State football had gotten too
big for one writer, so they hired a second writer
to cover basketball. What's a better basketball place anyway? And
it was ridiculous because the football program fellow part and
I don't even know if they have a full time
I probably do know. I shouldn't say that, but I
mean everybody overreacted, including Michigan and hiring back Brady Hoke,

(44:20):
who seemed like a fit, but it never really built
anything that was warranted him getting that job. That's what
you have to avoid. It's not when you have the
rich Rod mistake where it just isn't a fit. And
there are lots of reasons. Part of that was on Michigan,
just like part of this Jonathan Smith is on MSU
because they have not given him the resources to a
agree to have success. But you just don't hire Brady

(44:42):
Hoak as your next guy.

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Richard Kine. It says something when the defensive coordinator gets
about seven times more time on TV with reaction shots
than the head coach and bonus and bait. It was
declared last episode that we leave everything in, But last
week I offered a list of alternatives to or that
missed the cut. It's not like I was trying to
go to you into a Google search of some weirdo

(45:05):
sex thing. Yeah, Graham didn't want to leave that in, Richard,
I'm sorry I wanted to, but Couch said we got
to get rid.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
We did talk, We did talk about that yeeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
I don't, I don't. I apologize for cutting it. There
must have been a reason. It was probably time constraints.
By the way, like there are a few people a
questions in today's show, and a couple mentioned that you
could be part of the later in the week question show,
and so if you had a question, A couple made it.
But a few are have been saved for Thursday, and
those are those will be in Thursday's show. And we're

(45:34):
doing a two show week this week because I'm headed
to Connecticut on Tuesday and won't be back to late
Wednesday for the Michigan State men's basketball game there. On
Tuesday night.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
Grinding tape, Scott you number one, the refs picked up
that pass interference for an uncatchable pass because they were
so startled. An MSU coach was running at them to
passionately argue a call and to MSU as a fan
base loves their defensive minded and tens Italians. It is
a love hate relationship and successful is oh D'Antonio Narduzzi.

(46:07):
I know they won't hire Rossi as the head coach,
but something about seeing him just being himself on the
sidelines made spartans feel like that's uh, that's our kind
of guy.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Yeah, I mean he did look like what people want.
And you know, look, I thought Rossie is a good coach.
I think Rossi will be fine career wise. I think
what sucks for a guy like Joe Rossi is he
made the move leaving Minnesota to Michigan State because I
think he thought he needed one more stop. He needed
a place where it was gonna work before he got
a head coaching job. And he didn't think it was
gonna happen from Minnesota, and it's not gonna happen from

(46:37):
Michigan State. And you know, he's of that age where
it's almost the perfect age to hire a head coach,
like late forties, you've worked enough places that you've he's
mid forties right now, but you've worked enough places that
you've you've been fired, which I think is valuable for
a coach. You know a lot of people, you've got
a big rollodecks, all that stuff. I think I think
Joe Rossi will be fine long term. Are you happy

(46:57):
for your guy?

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Saturday night? Though, when he saw him like yelling and
you're like, huh, that's my guy.

Speaker 6 (47:02):
Well, I'm happy for my he's not my guy, but
you know, yeah, yeah, he fully funds the last week promise.
You can become my guy.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
You're a fan, yeah, but like your takes, you know
you can root for your takes. No, and I liked.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
I liked what Michigan State did defensively. I thought it
was Joe Rossie's best day defensively this year. Pas calls
aside refs. Gave Smith every opportunity to show an ounce
of emotion and he just couldn't do it. Type of
display that'll make me root against him even if he
gets another job.

Speaker 5 (47:30):
And bonus. Eagle and black Ledge on the on the
NBC call reminded me of Russell and the Old Man
from the Up. What's that reference? I don't know. Let's
try to google.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
You could tell me he's going to google Russell and
the Old Man from the Up. I don't know what
that means. Don't put in booth.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
No, it's uh.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
No, there's actually a thing. Russell is a young wilderness
supplorer explorer that becomes an unlo companion to Carl Frederickson,
the Old Man from the Up. It's like a cartoon. Ah,
see this is why you google him. This is a
much more wholesome thing than blunkin' to google.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Not as funny though, I'm just a sparty bill. Next,
can you explain who in the Holy bleep made the
decision to bring Kid Rock to the sidelines for the
game so cringe to have coach Izzo have to smile
and take a photo with him. I've not been pleased
with the performance overall of our team, but this was
a national embarrassment, and from shep is inviting Kid Rock

(48:32):
to be on the sidelines more or less of a
shoot yourself in the dick maneuver than Hitler's scoreboard trivia.
Did they watch his interview earlier this week when he
said he was dressing as an OUR word? What dressing
as an R word for Halloween this year and then
put on a surgical mask? Jesus Christ. I'm embarrassed to

(48:53):
be an MSU alum for so many reasons, just absolute
idiocy at all levels of university leadership.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
People not happy the Kid Rock was there. Interesting is
did he really say that he was dressing his hour
for how I don't know, would lie? Yeah, that's that's
already come up with that. That's not that's not great.
There's there's lots of stuff to look like. One of
the things I was thinking about this week is is
snap benefits are going to end for lots of people,
and there's gonna be more food insecure children in this country.
Like I think it's fine, Well, this show is not

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the place for us to dive into all that. And
it's fine. They have intense feelings in football about football
and Jonathan Smith and all this stuff, as long as
those intense feelings and you don't have to lay them
out here, are also felt about like that, like that
base we gotta have a baseline that you're just just
pissed off that they're gonna be more hungry children because
because frankly, I would rather that happen. And Jonathan Smith

(49:43):
coach forty six oh to twelve seasons, I think we
should all be able to agree on that. Like, you know, anyway,
where are you talking about hungry children? Well, you know,
snap benefits are gonna end for Sorry, I'm I'm sorry,
I don't know. I just I was fired up about
it this week and I started thinking about how little
I give a about like you know, I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Know, is this your third hot take. Are we still
in ten? Sorry to take it back? Fix that in
posts this PSA, you're doing it.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
Just make sure our priorities are correct and then we
can also be angry about Jonathan Smith.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Oh shit, you're the best Nestley's Quick Hotel, next bats
bats jay badd must take the path that leads to
happy donors. They want to see what Smith has the
rest of the year. Fine, if they want him out
on a rail before this gets read beautifully by Jason,
then that's okay too. Whatever gets his program a bag

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that's got to influence every choice. And from Brendan Best,
I like Jonathan Smith and think he should get three
years here. But if he's not getting the donor support
to build or buy a team, then he should be
let go for a coach that will donors run the world.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Now this is this is the reality, and it has
been to some degree, but much more so now right
because this is not and who you want as a
coach I think is changed too. And this is why
I think if Jonathan Smith had been had shown more
and been better at certain things, he's the type of
coach you want in terms of like you don't need
the whiz kid offensive mind. You know what you need

(51:09):
right now is somebody who can really create culture and
leadership but also sell a program over time. And you
kind of need the Dan Campbell of college football.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Now.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Dan Campbell's a smarter foundation man, grip, a smarter coach,
and people's give him credit for in terms of offense
and acumen and all that stuff. But I just think
that like that, I do think it. You have to
take a long look in what matters now. There are
coaches who look like good coaches five ten years ago
who are failing, and so make sure you're making that decision.

(51:41):
And that doesn't mean, you know, hire tom Izzo as
the football coach because he'll put good people around him
and whatever, but it does mean, like, think about what
really matters and what works for a program for seven
or eight years. And because it is different, the money
is everyth you got to be able to sell the program.
You still got to be able, you know, sell the
program in a living room. People aren't going to just

(52:03):
play for you if if all it is money, you're
not gonna have money that's gonna separate you that degree,
especially at Michigan State. But it is a it is
a world where where donors donor's ruling, and I don't.
I think what you have to do is include them
if you're Jay Batt and that's where Alan Haller clearly
made a mistake. But you have to make them feel

(52:23):
welcome and then get them to trust you to make
the rate higher with their input.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Brendan best Number one. Why the fuck do we let
the Michigan band come? I shouldn't hear our biggest rivals
fight song and chance in my own stadium, especially when
our own band is trying to play between plays and commercials,
And to who cares if we need to go up
against a bunch of schools this hiring cycle. That's the
new age of college football besties. Signetti was the runt

(52:48):
of the litter two years ago and seems to be
working out for them right.

Speaker 6 (52:54):
I agree with you here, it's find your guide. Every
year there's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be so
much now, I mean, there will be two or three
big schools to lose somebody next year. It's this is
this is what it is. If you don't have the
right guy, go get the right guy to the to
the band point. You know what I would do if
I were the I think both bands play it. You know,
Michigan State's band makes that trip just is what it is.

(53:15):
But would be funny if you wanted to poke fun
at the length of the commercials is have the band
take the field for a performance, like at halftime on
one of their four minute commercial breaks and just say
we're not done yet, and then the commercial gets extended,
like have the band take the band could fix this
by taking like twelve minutes in the middle of a
commercial and just yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:32):
But then we'd be all pissed at the band, what
are they doing out there?

Speaker 6 (53:35):
But it would point out the ridiculousness if there's enough
time for the band to take the field almost it.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
Would just take our hate away for the length of
the commercial break though, what the fuck does the band doing?
Get off there? It's fair, but I didn't then be
mad at the band, and then I have to wait
till afterwards. Apologies to read about fix that post MCV MCV. Next,
in his first game against FAU, Smith decided to go
forward on fourth down instead of kicking a field goal
to go up by nine late in the game. We

(54:01):
all thought this bad in game coaching was the exception
but it turns out it was the rule and bonus.
The transfer portal was supposed to distribute talent across college football,
but all it did was fool coaches into thinking they
had more talent than they actually do.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
It has distributed talent to some degree. I mean, you
see at school like Vanderbilt rise up, you see Indiana.
It's made anything possible, and it's one of the reasons
people can say, well, you know, you know, Michigan State
stays down too much longer, they'll they'll be forgotten about
and left behind. That only happens if like decisions are
made at the conference level for the amount of money
that's being dispersed, and you get left behind in that sense.

(54:38):
But otherwise, Indiana had been down for most of you know,
fifty years and boom like Vanderbilt has been nothing and
boom so like the money and getting the right person
at the right time can can change things quicker than
ever before. I do think it'll ultimately disperse the talent there.
I mean places that care deeply about football and care

(54:59):
year around uh and have deep pockets. Boom will we'll
do better And some of those are the big brands.
But but it'll open the door for a look at Byu.
I mean, I mean, I think.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
That's a lot of magic underwear there, though, you know.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
Well, BYU's got an interesting thing going like, how what's
what's the tax on? You're trying to sell it free,
but you know, I mean, what's the tax on? How
much extra do you have to pay in an NIL
deal to convince somebody that can't smoke weed or have
premarital sex for four years have any fun? Like I thought,
the whole point is a fun wing of the campus
at Provo. Yeah, I mean, the whole point of being

(55:35):
a Division one quarterback is pre marital sex. So I
don't really know.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
How you unless you're Tim Tebow.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Yeah right, that's why how he resented him for it, like, yeah,
I have thirty for thirty of itself.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Yeah, so they've got a whole different issue where they
probably have to pay in that little Yeah, that's a
good point. What is the tax on that at least thirty?
Just is there somewhere outside of Provo you can go
and have fun? All right? Dan Gray? Number one best
game ROSSI coached in two seasons. If he had the
defense playing like that all season, MSU would have two
more wins and two MSU should wait till after the
season to fire Smith just in case Washington or some

(56:11):
other program wants to hire him away saves on the buyout.
No good comes from firing him now. So that's another
interesting point. Bye by Dan here, you should steal that
number two.

Speaker 6 (56:21):
That's a good one. Yeah, but but and I don't know.
You know, if if a head coaching job will be there,
but there is an offset, there will be that. So
like if if you know somebody else is able to
hire him, you're you're gonna owe less and and and
and by firing him earlier or how you part like
you know matters in terms of his reputation or what.
I don't know if if there's a way to make

(56:43):
him more attractive to the next job that doesn't hurt
m s U too. I I think there are a
lot of things that consider beyond the What you don't
do is fire somebody now because it feels good for
the fan base to have some blood. That's that's not
that's not a reason. Now if you think the team
will look inspired, if you could be one of the reasons. No,
should not be a reason period at all. Should not

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be a reason that sucks.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
G E. Miller number one. Next, coaches start with this,
use nil and rev share to recreate the D'Antonio strategy
of getting a big share share of talented Michigan and
Ohio guys who have a chip on their shoulder from
not being prioritized by Michigan and Ohio State and some
that are. We need guys who care and want to
be here and too. Bryce Underwood has an ugly release,

(57:29):
was not impressive, and is not trusted by his coaches.
He may become serviceable in future years, but for twelve
and a half million, no thanks.

Speaker 6 (57:38):
Well see, he's got some talent, and he's got some
I've seen him make throws under pressure this year that
are impressive as well. He's not not a perfect quarterback yet,
he's a true freshman. I don't know what he'll become entirely,
but and Michigan State did a good job against him.
The pass game was not something that beat him. But

(57:59):
I you know, as you work, twelve million is certainly
not this year. But you're gonna have to get that.
To get a guy like that, that's what it costs,
and you're gonna have to deal with this freshman year,
and it'll be interesting because Michigan is now in a
spot where they're very likely to be playing Ohio State
in the last game of the year for a spot
in the playoff. I don't think they're gonna beat Ohio
State this year, but I don't think they're gonna be
a high state last year. And that is a true

(58:20):
sort of mind mind block. What's the word mind fuck?
I don't know to block something with Ryan Day that
mind block? In other words, would you ever feel as
good as Ohio State is this year they're better than Michigan.
Would you feel comfortable betting Ohio State against Michigan this year?

Speaker 5 (58:38):
Yes? You would? What's the spread? What are we talking?
Whatever the spread? Yeah? I would? Okay, I think so okay,
Crunchy's Gourmet. Supposedly MSU didn't have the NIL resources for
Smith to compete this year. Fine, but explain Northwestern to me.
No way, they have more NIL than MSU. But they're
five and three. MSU football is so bad. I think

(58:59):
most MSU fans would think David freaking Braun would be
an upgrade over Smith. Does he have a personality? This
Broun's you know, a little feisty sometimes every once in
a while.

Speaker 6 (59:11):
This is the problem for Smith. It's sure Indiana and
Signetti is inconvenient, but that's not and that would be
an ultimate comparison long term. But you know what other
people are doing in similar situations, with similar challenges is
the problem they're not. It's Nebraska who sucks and UCLA
who's you know, had an uptick but not that good.

(59:34):
And it's what happened in those two games are the
reason we're having the conversation now. And you can say, well,
that's just two games. Is that really enough? There are
a lot of other things. But if that would have
been enough for year three, they win those two games,
the discussion is different.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Now.

Speaker 6 (59:46):
There may be a lot of frustration and a lot
of people saying, I don't believe this is the guy,
But nobody would be saying he's not coming back if
they were five and three, they just wouldn't be. And
even after the loss of Michigan, because it wasn't some loss.
It was an ugly game. It wasn't a classic for
either team, but it wasn't an ugly defeat. And everybody
knows what I mean by like where it just feels

(01:00:07):
like it's spiraling out of hand, and it's yeah, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
That Izzo for President. Next, I'm upset after each game
that lasts until late Monday. Then I start to build
some hope from there. This is the week they turn
it around. By game time, I bought in that we
are definitely winning. Then the first drive happens and I
wonder why I even turn on the TV.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
Well, probably because you've got Exfinity and there are so
many options. When you turn it on, it's easy to flip.
You're not logging onto one streaming service and out of another.
It's just right there. Cable is better. We thought cutting
the cord was the way to go.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
It's not.

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Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
Going for two when you don't need to and not
making it stifles the good feelings and kills all the
momentum from scoring a touchdown. Crazy decision. What did you
think about that? Going for two decision? When I mean
I have given up way before that, So it was
just a I just figured that meant that we weren't
going to have a show today because they were going
to can his ass. To be honest with you, yeah,

(01:01:35):
I mean there didn't think there's some analytics suggest that
The problem I have with all the analytics is it
doesn't take into account momentum and it doesn't take into
account your team and your likelihood of getting you know,
in this situation, I get why in theory you want
to do it. I didn't like it, and but that
that to me wasn't as bad as not kicking the

(01:01:56):
field goal. And I understand they said at some point
that Jonathan Smith, when I asked him about this in
the post, said at some point they needed a touchdown
when they were down eleven. That's why they went four
on fourth and three. I thought, when it was a
forty five forty seven yard field goal, whatever, forty five
yard field goal with a kicker who's been shown he
can make that that it really would have added juice
to the game to bring that to within a score.

(01:02:16):
If you're down a score, things get a little tight.
You can feel it in the building. Like now you
put pressure on Michigan like I would have done that.
You want to get that game to within a score
and let it play out. Original dark Mantonio is this rivalry.
Michigan is seven to three in this rivalry. Michigan is
seven to three in the last ten and one four
in a row. The four in a row is what
these high school recruits really know. You talking about what

(01:02:39):
D'Antonio did might as well be ancient history to them.
It's only relevant to fans nostalgia. Well that's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Yeah, no, I agree, But so is you know, so
is what bo did in the thirty eight and thirty
and eight record over thirty eight years. All this stuff
ends quick, like Jason and I love the bad Boy Pistons,
but the bad Boy Pistons are like, how you know
we viewed Jerry West to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Half the uh hey, those kids don't know shit. They
should be reading about the bad boy Pistons.

Speaker 6 (01:03:07):
This is why when I was a kid, I used
to tape on a VHS porn. We had Exfinity, who
all porn too, but like scrambled usually but still, but
every Barry Sanders game because I was like, I remember
my dad saying to me, like, I'd say Barry Sanders
the best ever when I was like eleven years old,
and he said, well, you know, Jim Brown was pretty good.
And I used think, I don't want my weasley little

(01:03:29):
child someday to tell me that there's some running back
who's better, like Jamiir Gibbs is better than Barry Sanders.
I don't want to hear it. And so I'm gonna
have all these VHS tapes. I didn't know DVDs were coming.
I didn't know YouTube, like, I didn't know it's gonna
be easy to find clips, so I would record every
Lions game. I even like, you didn't see the Internet coming, dude.
I just thought we were going to live the same
way the whole time, in VCRs and shit even anything. Well,

(01:03:49):
we had the Internet, but it was like dial up,
you know, the laser disc blew my mind. I was like,
oh man, we got good things coming. I didn't see
certain things coming. I even taped over like my mother had. Yeah,
she's still upset about this. I try not to reminder
footage of me and my sister very little, like I'm
like four, my sister's like one or two and five
and being cute on video. We didn't have a recorder,

(01:04:11):
so we had very few videos of us, and I
taped over half of them with Barry Sanders, like Vikings
games in ninety five against the Lions, because well, what's
more important?

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
That's what I'd rather see right now. You guys have pictures,
I'm sure, yeah, yeah, but I'd rather see that very highlight.

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Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
Jordan Villa Real next. I know we're all ready to
move on, but I don't think the chance of fire
Smith in the first half are helpful. My takeaway when
we get a new coach, we all need to do
better as a fan base, donors, administration and everyone. We
need to support where and when we should and put
our money and faith where our mouth is. Yeah, the

(01:05:23):
fire Smith stuff isn't helpful, but that's where things are.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
Commercial breaks are so long. Yeah, let's really got to
stay warm and chant something. Got to get the band
out there. It's not our fault do something. Yeah, no,
I think, Look, this didn't work with Smith. It didn't
could have it maybe, but people weren't on board. And
people have to be on board. And so the next
coach you got to get somebody that people are gonna
like it, and then people are gonna have to stick
with them and invest and try to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
We have to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Well, then you can just come in, aw shucks this thing.
I mean, the next guy comes in and does the
same shit, I get out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
Well, then you can live in this perpetual purgatory that sucks. Hey,
it's well we were given all right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
I don't want this, uh see telious lord oh man,
MSU football is my weekly car crash. I can't help
but watch. Not sure who or when this turns around?

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
Well you know again, you may not see it coming.
You get the right guy, it can it can happen.
And Franklin, that's this is what Jay Bat's been hired for,
is to to make get Michigan State a healthy football program,
both financially and and winning on the field and with
the entire athletic department. And there's a big job and
it's you know, it's one you can't get wrong. And

(01:06:32):
if you do, you know, you don't get to keep
that job. And that's what what you know. I think
that's why Alan Holler is no longer.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Does Kid Rock have a kid that goes to State?
Like when did he become a State fan? Like I'm
not offended by it, but I mean, like, when when
did Kid Rock become a State fan? When I saw
him with the green on green or white on, I
think he's just a Michigan guy, you know. Oh, I
just didn't know if he had a kid, they were
kissing his ass for some donor money. I don't know.
Let me check, does Kid Rock have a kid? Who
is the Michigan State.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Pound?

Speaker 5 (01:07:01):
The bushes through the cities back, I see the stars
going out of the sky.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, the bride and hollow scot You know it looks
so good.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
To uh No, Kid Rock's sun is not a known
Uh yeah. He graduated from Belmont University in Nashville. Apportently,
he still lives in Nashville as Niam was Robert James
Richie Junior.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
Jesus. What's his address? So yeah, I'll give you that
to you hold. I like the docs people, that's my thing.
He really okay? Next the year two win now. Expectation
with MSU isn't about results. It's a projection from people
still mad about how Haller handled the smith higher and bonus.
Strength and conditioning is the biggest issue with the easiest fix.

(01:07:47):
What is it? What's the easiest fix?

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Well, this change the strength and conditioning coache and to
go in a different direction there and it is someplace.
Look what happened? Do you see what the LSU Texas
A and m deal was. LSU the One of the
first things Brian Kelly did at LSU was get rid
of LSU's strength and conditioning coach, who then went to
Texas A and m that just freaking mauled LSU this week,
and like that is you gotta be a little you
gotta be careful. That is an area the you know,

(01:08:13):
the two year when now expectation of them. She was
about results of projection of people still mad about how
hall I handled the Smith higher. There are elements of that.
It is unfair and some of the the expectation with
them from people wanting to be involved was kind of childish.
And look, there's there are elements of this that I
don't like. There are I mean, it's I feel like

(01:08:37):
the whole. I just feel like there's some bullies at
MSU that made this difficult. I don't you know, yeah,
I don't. I don't love what's happened. But Smith is
not earned more and that's the issue.

Speaker 5 (01:08:49):
Joey Shaver. MSU should make a quarterback change. The staff
needs to see what they have and there's an unlikely
chance they're still around next year, and if not, at
least there's tape for next coach.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
The value It's interesting because Jonathan Smith was asked about
this today. I think, you know, you're going to get
to a point where you need to at least look
at a lesso. And I don't know where the locker
room is on that. What's tricky is you just had
a pretty good game with Giles against Indiana where he
completed twenty straight passes and he you know, he went

(01:09:20):
in great downfield, but he was pretty good. But three
of the last four games, and a big reason they're
in the spot they're in, he has not been very good.
And at the very least, I think you're going to
need a quick hook. And if you start Chiles next
week and it's just not happening by the second quarter,
you know, you should have a lesso. And and also
I think they were planning to play a lesso according
to the broadcast at least, and Smith was asked about this,

(01:09:42):
and I think they they sort of they thought they
were going to play him Indiana with playing series and
see how things went. And then obviously Giles came out
and had a great game and they were moving the
ball or and so it was they didn't didn't go
with that. But if if they're not moving the ball well,
and things don't look good in the passing game. I
think you'll see him this week, Cooper.

Speaker 5 (01:10:02):
Next number one, shout out Wings. Six unanswered goals is great.
Two Chiles is cooked, come on with some of the
sacks and the fumble. Him and Smith can hit the
bricks together. And three anything is better than this lifeless
head coach. At least Rossi looked like he gave a shit.
What an unserious program. It's just serious.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
I mean, it's it's it's his personality. He's not somebody
who's gonna be rah rah and that clearly is something
that when you're losing, is going to dry people nuts.
And it would be interesting. Why be a football coach?
You like an air traffic controller or something like, why
do you have to be a football guy? Well, because
he wants to be a head coach. Yeah, I mean
this stuff doesn't matter if.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Nothing should go in though in a football game, though
at all, it's just weird. It is, it is different, Yeah,
Doc Sportello next number one. There were listeners on this
podcast that thought Aiden Childs could go to the NFL.
I'm cracking up in hindsight. Dude can't complete a pass
and two game came down to one play and it
was the fake flag on the off sides. Ress couldn't

(01:11:02):
stand seeing scum get upset by a terrible MSU team,
so they had to intervene. And three, Scott Harris said
all the right things at the end of the season
press conference and won me back. Excited to see what
moves the Tigers make this off season. And I'm already
counting down the days of spring training. Two of these
I want to get into one.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
What a bait take there, Scott Harrison, He said all
the right things. All right, I'll be honest, I am
all in on this offseason. I want to see this offseason.
I'm was curious about the Tigers off season as I
have been in a long time. Sure, and so that's
with the schoobl thing. It makes it interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:32):
But to say, you watch the postseason presser and we're like, oh,
this guy's got it. Yeah, I just not eat. I'm
not in or out on Scott Harris. I guess for that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:40):
I'm still willing to let him prove it. That guy's
definitely getting another year. Scott Harris. Oh yeah, he's getting
a couple. I mean he's tied to yeah, no, he's
yeah right, and I don't think he's not. The Lions
have had guys over time where they've gotten another year,
and I thought, I'm already out on this guy. This
isn't working. You know, we've known that, but this is
this is a little different. The flag on that off
side call that changed the game, that wound up being

(01:12:03):
a look. It was a sack fumble that you know,
should have given Michigan State the ball the forty yard
line and a seventy was the score at that point,
ten to seven or whatever it was. It was a
competitive game and then ten to seven and then Michigan
goes out and scores. Jordan Hogg gets hurt. Then now
he's questionable for this week, which I think also hurts

(01:12:23):
them at Minnesota. So a lot of things changed in
that moment with that bad call. I'm not even mad
at the call itself, because if you watch it in
real time, I thought he was off side. It's because
of the way it is. Malcolm pell right, it was
moving before the before the snap, but he was still
behind the line of scrimmage. To me, on any time
there is a change of possession based on a player

(01:12:46):
or a possession is not going to be changed. The
plague gets you have to be able to review that.
Like we stop and start this game a million times.
We have fifty five minutes of freaking commercials, right, Like
we don't want more and starts, but we want that, right,
We'll take that cut the commercial. If you have to
get one of your commercials in, let them review the

(01:13:06):
freaking play that. I'm sorry. There is zero excuse that
shouldn't be fixed, like next week, next year. I don't
want you near college football. I don't want you having
a decision if you don't think that can be fixed.
You know, people want to fire Jonathan Smith. There a
lot of people should be fired. You should not be
around college football, around sports, around decisions. You should be
doing manual labor that somebody tells you what. And I'm

(01:13:27):
not even knocking in labor, it's honest work. I'm not
knocking that. I'm just saying you shouldn't be making decisions
in life if you don't think we can review that.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
Munfield keg Rossie was freaking faking the whole energy thing
a bit, but it was the best our defense has looked.
On the other side, I rewatched it this afternoon, and
Smith seemed too concerned with the post play flag and
just totally ignored Chiles after his TD made it ten
to seven. That is not a coach I would want
to play for.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
Yeah, you know, look, I don't know what else to
say about it. People made their mind up. He's not
coming back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
He's just not.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
And I think it's inevitable. I think there are more
reasons than just me saying that that it's gonna happen.
And so it's you don't be at Minnesota, you don't
have to worry about it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Looking forward to that game this weekend, Arc and Spartan next,
Chiles equals quarterback one Andrew Maxwell, unless you know, equals
quarterback to Connor Cook. Smith equals Corvales to Nebraska's Mike Riley.
This is a This is a good, interesting, u interesting
one because I do think that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
They probably do need to take a look at Alessio
in more situations and see what it looks like and
maybe that they need based on this offensive line, that
they absolutely need Chiles legs to give them a shot.
But unless he gets the ball out quick, I'd be
curious to watch them and Corvallis and Nebraska's Mike Riley. Yeah,

(01:15:05):
you forget about that. That, Like Oregon States had other
guys who have moved on and it just didn't work
that well. The thing that sucks for Jonathan Smith is
I don't think he wanted to move on. The conference
changed underneath him. He lost his conference. They were becoming
a mid major. You work your life to be a
high major head coach, and he was going to go
back and be a mid major head coach. And that's
a hard thing to swallow. And I think he thought,

(01:15:26):
at forty five years old, if he wanted to compete
and compete at the highest level, he needed to take
a job to fit him somewhere with a program he
could win, and he thought Michigan State was it, and
it just hasn't worked.

Speaker 5 (01:15:36):
Matt Smith seems to have tied himself to Childs for
his offense. Hot take. We should have seen more linear
progression from a LESSEEO and a better identity of offense
if they made a quarterback switch earlier in the season. Yeah,
I mean he did. And this is going to happen
other places though, right, And this is the hard thing.

(01:15:56):
You pay these guys a.

Speaker 6 (01:15:57):
Ton of money. What happens if the other guy is better,
and how do you deal with that? And how do
you recruit? And I think this is a tricky part
and to pay for play World and coaches are gonna
have to get beyond it. But he has tied himself
to Smith and and and ultimately it's gonna be part
of the reason he doesn't know what do you do
with a guy like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Chiles that you're tied to, Like you said, it's like,
what kind of leash do you put him on? If
time after time? But then he'll throw in a game
against Indiana where he has all those completions, and then
against Michigan. So it's just tough to put a les
Eo in.

Speaker 6 (01:16:27):
He had three really good games where it looked like
he was as sending Chiles did, and then he had
two not very good games and Alessio frankly wasn't great
against UCLA either. That was the most he's played, and
so then he you know, you think, well, at Indiana,
they're going to bring a lesso in for a bad
and then the guy completes twenty straight passes and then
they play in Michigan defense and just maybe better than

(01:16:49):
anybody we've seen he's going to start. I think I
think child is going to start against Minnesota. I just
think you'll see a quicker hook if there are issues
and maybe some planned time for a.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Lessio money bag. We all need to someone that talks
about us the way Graham talked about the offense scoring
thirteen points at Indiana. Bonus, the ref that through the
pass interference flag on Underwood's pass that landed at case
Hall should probably be suspended based on that play alone.

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Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Big John Hog number one couches piece on Smith was
closer to an obituary than anything else. The sooner the
band aid is ripped off, the better. And two. A
few weeks ago, I said, I had a wedding to
go to and miss the game. There were no TVs,
so I didn't watch. I didn't feel bad. Apathy is
at an all time iime, So yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
Mean the question is with the apathy is like how
does that matter? Like does apathy versus anger? If apathy
is truly where you are? And I believe fan bases
that are more intense than Michigan State can get there too,
like an Alabama or whatnot. But The question is how

(01:18:59):
much does apathy and the ability to have apathy for
football at Michigan State hurt MSU football, Not even directly
all the time, but let's just like this, there's not
this constant yearning and constant anger and constant push to
be great because oh wait, a second, hockey's really good?
Is a basketball started? And does that hurt MSU in
the donor base? In other areas? I think it does

(01:19:22):
have an effect on football.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
Sparty Barb next number one. Joe Rossi will finish the
season as MSU's head football coach. Two congratulations to MSU
women's soccer for securing the number two seed in the
Big Ten Tournament. The Spartans will win the Big Ten
Tournament to secure a three seed in the NCAA. And
three nice comeback win by the Red Wings last Saturday
playoffs or bust and bonus. Thank you MSU hockey for

(01:19:47):
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Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
Go, Sparty Barb sounds like somebody wearing a Mesco's flannel,
just that rosy outlook on life. I my guess is
it's if it changes made in c and it's courtney Hawkins.
That's just based on what I think is going to happen.
But Joe Rossi certainly could be the you know, could
be Rossi and certainly made an impression last week for sure.

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MSHU women's soccer number two seed in the Big Ten Tournament,
a really tough league, and they've stayed at the top.
This is the tournament they haven't done well, and they
got to do well in the Big Ten tournament to
get the number of home games they'd really like to
have in the NCAA tournament. So there's something to pay
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Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Takes, John Noughty. Next. Even Sharon Moore runs out with
the trainers when a player gets hurt. We even had
a guy go off on a stretcher this year. And
Smith just stands there on a headset like a teenager
stuck scrolling on their phone. He doesn't give a fuck
like Spartans give a fuck. He's not one of us.
He's not a Spartan. And bonus, I would have paid
an extra five hundred dollars a month for streaming on

(01:23:46):
what I call D'Antonio plus uncensored live feed into whatever
coach d thinks in real time about all the bullshit
the last five years.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
Talk to Exfinity, seef, we can get that pulled up.
That would be a good way to get MSU fans
to go under. To go to the Exfinity they pay
five hundred well, you probably Exfinity would give you a
better deal than that. But to have the D'Antonio plus
channel during the game, I think would be uh, would
be would be interesting. I think like a real time
like almost like a Manning cast with d'antonio's thoughts. I

(01:24:16):
think even with any former players, you're starting to see
more former players frustrated. I would love to have a
former players and at some point we'll we'll we'll get
a former player too on here and and sort of
give a sense of what Cybert We're gonna get him,
Siebert Siebert. Uh maybe yeah, we'll see popping off. Yeah,
there are a bunch of different I mean, well, maybe
get a couple is changes are made or things start

(01:24:38):
getting into November, because I do think these are what
the program needs and what's important there now. Look, times
have changed since a lot of these guys were in
the program, but you know there's there's there's a feel
for what what's important and what they're seeing and why
it isn't working.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Skyler Verdon, I've been watching more hockey and less football
for no particular reason relating to my team being bad.
It's been nice. Hockey has a nice flow to it.
And the Wings look fun. Finny is my favorite of
the young Wings players. It is fun to have the Wings,
Like I check in the morning, see the Wings were
playing that night.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Clinton on Saturdays, it is time for he decried the
Red Wings got billion open day, We got any.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
Fus Hey, yeah, gotta play that. Wake up you wake
up in the morning and play this. Absolutely, Oh my god,
that would get me out of bed. You know, you
know what, We're only a month over. Try that. You
know we're a month away from by the way, getting
dark at five in the afternoon.

Speaker 6 (01:25:36):
Police Navida haf is the uh, at least Navidad. It's
just the best hoff. Oh, it is great, is that it?

Speaker 5 (01:25:44):
Yeah? Rich Sering next number one. Ref sucked, but coaching
and offensive play sucked more. Two. I don't believe the
people who say we have no talent marsh childs hall
Van summer In. We're four star recruits. There is some
talent here, but not enough. And three, I'm tired, Graham,
tired of the arrogance of our rivals, tired of the
media defending them, and tired of us being punching bags

(01:26:06):
of the Big ten. How you're the guy from Georgia
Tech bring his entire staff and as many of those
players as possible.

Speaker 6 (01:26:14):
I don't know, if you know, I don't know how
Jay Batt feels about Brent Key and I you know,
obviously that's one name that's that's possible. But it's an
easy connection to look at. You know, this will be
It's going to be a fascinating a couple of months.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
It really will be.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
And so what do you mean you don't think Bat
and Key have a I don't. I don't know, I
don't know it. It's just not an automatic thing. I
think sometimes we see, like the previous you know, we
see if that makes sense because they knew so and
so or this is a connection here, and it may
it may be, it may be the answer. I'm just
not as sure about it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:48):
Detroit Spartan best take. The economics of college football need
to become more transparent. How can there be so much
money in it and athletic departments be underwater at the
same time? And Baked, I'm sad that I'm emotionally detaching
from something I've loved my entire life. In bonus, I
had basically built part of my identity around this, and
now I'm dead inside you know that feeling. I know

(01:27:10):
that feeling. Yeah, it wasn't too long ago as a
Lions fan. I do think this goes beyond just MSU
losing here. I think, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
But and I do think it's a danger for college
football because I think there are a lot of frustrated
fan bases out there, and I don't think leaders of
college football see it. I don't think. I don't think
they do. I think we probably need new leadership. I
think Jason and I need to be in charge.

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Of Do you think that they see it and just
don't care. I can't imagine they don't see it. I'm
not really I'm not sure they see it. I'm not
sure they're at the bird's eye level of what because
what I think people struggle with is how fans of
a program like who's a program Maryland or not Maryland

(01:27:55):
because they're but how fans of Virginia Tech feel has
to matter to the SEC even though they're not in
the SEC. Like all that stuff matters, the overall health
of the sport matters. There are not enough eyeballs and
people detach to only have it work. I mean, you
know it to only have a few fan bases really
engaged and only have fan bases of a couple of

(01:28:15):
conferences engaged.

Speaker 6 (01:28:16):
It just won't work. The money will not be there. Oh,
by the way, I should correct something too. I screwed
something up the other week when I was last week
when I was talking about the media rights deal extending.
If they went with this deal with private equity, it
sounds like that's the granted It's not necessarily an automatic
media rights extension. It's the granted rights deal which keeps
the Big ten together. It is not the media rights deal.

(01:28:39):
And so I apologize for that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
You have that on a post it note somewhere that
just popped in your.

Speaker 6 (01:28:43):
Brain and popped into my brain because I had it.
Had been a loyal listener of ours brought it to
my attention that I had fucked that up, like I
do many things.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Sam Fishman, I'm so proud of you for not saying
their name and where they live. I nearly did I
have their address. Yeah, ring the side door when you go,
Sam Fishman, I think a big problem college football is
facing right now. It's fans completely checking out midway through
the season or even earlier if their team isn't good.
And I don't just mean checking out their team, I

(01:29:13):
mean losing interest in college football altogether. And personally, I
haven't watched a college football game since Week six, and
I know I can't be the only one.

Speaker 6 (01:29:21):
Yeah, I mean, you don't want too many teams to
just feel like there's no hope. And this is what's interesting,
Like the playoff being at twelve teams does create maybe
at this time of year, thirty teams that still think
they have a chance to get there. And so there
are more engaged teams than in the old days of
the four team playoff. But when it was a four
team playoff, you had different teams with different goals getting

(01:29:42):
the different bowl games. And now if you're outside of
the playoff, you're just outside. And I do think it'll
be interesting to watch because it creates more interesting for
me in the sport overall. But I can see how
from an individual fan base perspective, and I just think
there are a lot of a lot of on happy
fan bases and they got to find you know, look,

(01:30:04):
that's always gonna be the case of some degree, but
just got to make sure that people are staying engaged.
And this isn't every year that everybody feels like, ah,
there's no hope and.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
To this degree, professor. Next, if MSU had hired Urban
three years ago, the team would be led by Sam
Levitt and have a healthy nil budget for offensive and
defensive line tailent. Those two factors alone would double their
win total in the last two seasons, and baked football
is rigged to push big matchups and ensure best TV
rating ratings in December, I think there's no.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
Doubt that Urban Meyer at this point would have been
a stronger higher and and you know, I don't know
whether you would have taken the job or not, but
sam Levitt certainly would have been a stronger quarterback and
that that is is no doubt.

Speaker 5 (01:30:50):
Uh d d. Next, Jonathan Smith will be retained regardless
of what he or the team does this season because
MSU can't or won't compete with any of the other
high profile openings this cycle. Then MSU will go four
and eight again in twenty six. Smith will get fired
and then hit major success at his next stop.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
I don't think Smith has done as a coach. He's
what forty five forty six years old, but I and
I think he'll get another shot somewhere. He may have
to go somewhere as a coordinator first, or he may
you know, who knows, maybe there's a head coaching position
that feels like a fit and he'll get He'll get
an opportunity. He'll have to sell himself a little bit
to that fair state. No, but here's what I'm if

(01:31:30):
I'm an out west school and I've got a program
that's been struggling, and I also recognize that Michigan State
is going to pay a lot of salary for him,
I can probably get Jonathan Smith a little less expensively
for the next five years. Let Michigan State pay a
lot of that salary and put that into the program.
If I'm cal or you know, I don't think the

(01:31:53):
Washington job was brought up earlier. I I don't think
that's likely, but you know, maybe in maybe Oregon State.
I just I don't know all the dynamics there. I
know they weren't happy with him when he left, but
I don't I don't think he's done. And I you know,
I don't think he's a bad coach. He just hasn't
been a good coach at Michigan State. And I didn't
see that coming. I thought he would be I thought
he would bring competence to that job and really it

(01:32:15):
would really show, and that hasn't happened, and that's where
I was really wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
Dave Laken next, even with a few good hires, Alan
Haller's legacy as MSU AD will be based upon the
hiring Jonathan Smith and not implementing a comprehensive NIL plan
for MSU. Hopefully Jay Batt will address both before the
end of this football season.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
I think Alan Haller's legacy would be complicated. I think
you're right that ultimately people remember the Jonathan Smith Higher,
that it didn't work out, and that he was unable
to get at a tricky time of transition in college athletics,
was unable to get MSU in the position that needed
to be in. But I also think because Alan Haller
is who he was to MSU, he is somebody who

(01:32:56):
was a spartan, had been part of the Mark D'Antonio search,
part of the Melton Tucker search. He had, you know,
did the Adam Nightingale higher. He's Robin Fraelech was hired
by him, made two volleyball coaching hires. The people will
also remember that it's not as is and he never
really he thought it was all up to football.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:33:16):
I don't believe people will remember that entirely. I think
Allan Haller will be somebody who is you know, when
he's in a basketball game ten years from now and
they announce his name and the camera cuts to him
and he waves, people will applaud.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
I do think.

Speaker 6 (01:33:29):
I think people like Dallan Haller personally. I think some
people think he got a raw deal. Ultimately, I think
Guskowich was his his right and probably the right move
to make a move before MSU fell behind, because even
if some of that was based on donors not you know,

(01:33:49):
being childish or whatever it might be. Ultimately you have
to live in their world. You have to convince them to,
you know, fund the athletic department at the level it takes.
And Haller wasn't able to do that them. But I
think his legacy would be more complicated than.

Speaker 5 (01:34:02):
That spartan dog. Alan Haller is the second worst employee
Michigan State has ever had. I think I know who
the first is. That's that's not fair, that's not cool.
Will Teeman, Now, yeah, I don't I don't have enough.

Speaker 6 (01:34:16):
All that time there was there was a certain doctor
who took MSU down some pretty deep places.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
He was considered an employee. Oh that's right, he wasn't
a not great not great. Ah, gotta keep forgetting about
that guy. Maddy B. Number one, if there is not
a clear, publicly known NIL strategy to MSU fans by
the winter portal, BAT can go to Olympic arenas can wait.
That should be priority number one. Keep waiting on legislation

(01:34:41):
while our government can't even keep the lights on. Not
a strategy. And two, there is not a single MSU
fan in the world who wouldn't have taken a fifteen
yard penalty? Does the smith throw a headset at that
garbage called officiating. BAT should give the conference an earfull,
no more bending over or just taking it, even though
our media always tells us to.

Speaker 6 (01:35:01):
That's actually that was what I was gonna put on
my chest or have maybe a a tattoo that said
just just take it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
This is the media. That's my favorite sowner.

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
Have you ever seen that? It was an episode of
Modern Family? You ever watched Modern Family? Phil Dumphy the
dad characters talking about getting a a tattoo, and he's
talking about getting one on his lower back and everything
he comes up with just awful, feel like things like just.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Take it, you know, like you can't. It's just just brutal,
just brutal. That's not her family was. It's a good
show if you're if you're a funny show that's on
cable network TV. It's like, that's an impressive thing. It's
well done. Yeah, it's a good writing. If you can
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Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
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Just does Bobby Williams fall into that category? I don't know.
I don't know, Tim. Tim number one was at the
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(01:36:33):
than a random Lions one PM game. And that's no hyperbole.
Saying MSU is an arrival to annoy them is actually
becoming a reality. The game never felt like it was
high stakes. Also, you guys need to add TVs to
your concourse two. Following the profile picks being changed throughout
the game was like watching real time stock in the
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(01:36:57):
that than when I was when their coach got caught
cranking a hog to a sexual assault victim. I mean,
I don't have enough time for all of that. I
did have a MSSU fan come up to me before
the game and say, do you believe Graham? Do you believe?
I say?

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
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Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
But the you believe. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:27):
So I think part of it too was this wasn't
a high stakes game from Michigan in the same way too,
not that they don't still have a lot at stake,
but it wasn't a these aren't one of their best teams,
not a classic game. But but I agree with you.
I mean, Michigan State is not. It's been a few
years now, and it's it's now. It doesn't take but
one year for that to switch and flip back and
and feel different. But right now it feels how it feels.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
Ralph E. This feeling in my gut isn't new. Stout
announced Duffy's retirement and we kissed our underdog's sister Iowa.
The next day Probation ad moves and takes his coach
with him, Muddy Waters. In year three, George flirted with
the pros being a d c M. You might have
done him in Nick Saban McPherson, lsu have you lost

(01:38:11):
the team? John L. Smith head slap Naser nine ten,
twenty twenty three, who one day off the guy who
put one hundred worms on a fishing hook? A master
bader comes to light, so to speak. The play calls
have iced it and Bonus. Three Sunday podcasts, one common
word basketball, None discussed deeply, just basketball.

Speaker 6 (01:38:35):
I think people are starting to turn to basketball a
little bit. But that's also part of football's issues. Like, yeah,
this is MSU is the D'Antonio era is the anomaly, right,
and he was around for a while, so it was
quite an anomaly. But they've got a you know, a
lot of the issues they've had. They've got to find
a way to define their next d Antonio. And that's
what Look, that's what Alan Haller was trying to do.

(01:38:56):
That's what he did with Jonathan Smith. The execution. You
can fault that it didn't work, you can fault what
he was trying to do was absolutely I think his
heart was in the right place.

Speaker 5 (01:39:07):
C Dub's ninety one number one. Smith is pressing to win,
so he's over analyzing every call, which makes you worse
in almost every sports situation. Would also explain his clunky
sounding answers and pressers too. And to Michigan sports Twitter
is full of weirdos and borderline cult members.

Speaker 6 (01:39:25):
I mean, I think, yeah, I think most major college
football programs have this to a degree though, because what
you have is you have more of these sites that
are you know, off they're fan sites, but they're offshoots
of a program, Like it's not they're not people were
in the media because they're in media. They're in media
because they're fans, and this will gives them access and

(01:39:46):
allows them that this is a hobby that some have
turned into a full time deal. But it's it's and
Michigan is a big program with a lot of that,
and and certainly there are other dynamics at play. So yeah,
I mean, you're gonna but you're gonna find that, you know,
in Michigan's, to be fair, is not completely devoid of this.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
There's unhinged m efforts everywhere on Twitter. Yeah, you're talking
about name the topic. David Parks next was that the
game Saturday with a friend with no understanding of the
TV plus college football landscape. About halfway through even he
was confused and made a comment about the amount of
three minute timeouts there were and bonus, our dynamic quarterback's overrated.

(01:40:25):
Does a less eo make better reads since he doesn't
run well?

Speaker 6 (01:40:27):
There's an argument, and I've said this before, if I
was coaching high school football with an athletic quarterback. I
would not let them run till the fourth quarter pass
the line of scrimmage because I think, I just think
you need to learn your first instinct to throw and
the read, and I don't think it helps you to
be athletic in that sense. Now, it helps you later
if you can also if your first instinct is to
pass and keep your eyes down field, unless you have
done a better job at getting the ball out quickly,

(01:40:49):
There's no question about it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:51):
You per Carl. Inspired by Graham's nineteen nineties college football comparison,
I revisited recordings from a favorite podcast. Many claimed keeping
those recordings had no value, but how wrong they are.
Today's version kicks off five minutes late, buried beneath a
barrage of commerce. Then comes the endless live reads and
sponsor mentions, driving the show to add ratio down by

(01:41:13):
over twenty five percent. Finally, the host fading memory leaves
me hearing more Hasselhoff than Kit ever endured. Maybe it's
time we stop fixating on football commercials and address their
other travesty crying, laughing emojis emojis.

Speaker 6 (01:41:27):
Apparently that take from you for Carl is presented by
Halo Sport by the way, let me and yeah appreciate
you rest in.

Speaker 5 (01:41:34):
Peace, Halos appreciate your Yeah. Dale. Let's take an honest
look at the unsportsmanlike penalties. One or two might have
been earned, but what did Andrew Dennis do wrong on
that touchdown play? Let's discuss it honestly and then bring
in guys that will never draw flags but instead win games.

Speaker 6 (01:41:52):
There were Yeah, there were some call. I mean the
big call though, was still the it that it's that
off sides call that you have to be able to
fix that in real time because it changed the game.
And I don't know if it I don't know if
it changed the outcome, but it changed the game.

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
B P.

Speaker 5 (01:42:07):
A couch can have a passing interaction with someone and
pretty much destroy their career. Yet he spends so much
time around Jonathan Smith and now it won't work.

Speaker 6 (01:42:16):
Really makes you think, think, GPA. That is that is
the most entergering is the elevator operator he's he was there?

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
He was there? Yeah, No, it was there.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
Did you guys make eye contact? Oh, I just apologize.
I did not run into him, but somebody said he
was there. He was not on my elevator. Yeah, on
the way up or down. So, but so is the
he or she or it it would spot the cat. Yeah,
appreciate you, bp A. That is the the is a
Muskox take of the day.

Speaker 5 (01:42:44):
Right, there was your elevator operator like making any jokes
or were they pretty much looking straightforward and not talking
because they were told to not talk to anybody anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:42:52):
Actually it was just it was just Kid Rock was
the elevator. He was making jokes about about the R
word and uh Man Hitler.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
A word Uncle Tifa next huh Smith reminds me of
a recent former Pistons head coach Monty Williams. Both coaches
just want and wanted to go home, same results.

Speaker 6 (01:43:11):
Quiet quitting, I don't think. I mean Monty Williams that
turned down the job like seven times and they just
kept throwing more money at him. I think that's the difference.
It is a little bit different here.

Speaker 5 (01:43:20):
Yeah, that's amazing, Bulky Bartacamas. The meaning of accountability has
shifted so much over the last decade that now, so
long as you admit you're not good enough, that you
need to prepare better and execute better, acknowledge that you've
continued to fail week after week, it absolves you from
any consequences, and fans aren't allowed to be upset by
these failures because hey, he's taking accountability. What more do

(01:43:43):
you want? This isn't unique to sports. It happens in business, politics,
and education. Accepting blame is not the same as being
held accountable. And bonus, Mel Tucker was definitely at those
rigged poker games right, probably lost a couple mill to
Chauncey and his ex race specs.

Speaker 6 (01:44:01):
So melt Tucker is part of this too, the accountability world.
You know, all these coaches say you own something? Do
you own it?

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
Do you own this? You know what? You gotta own it?
You own it? If you own it, you're fine. What
accent is that? It's my Mel Tucker's that Mel Tucker?
Oh wow, that was Mel? That was anybody? It's a
it's a coach, it's a it's a mill.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
All that.

Speaker 6 (01:44:20):
It's can anyway. Yeah, but yeah, if we haven't been
canceled at this point, that's true. It's uh anyway, I
do think you're onto something here that there is, but
I being accountable is better than not being accountable and
not being defensive. And and now the better solution is
to not continue making the mistakes. Accountability works once it

(01:44:41):
works here and there, but also when you're the head
coach of a team and it's not, you know, you
can't control all the mistakes from not being made right here.
There's a lot of other guys, and you've got a
team that's full of people making mistakes. I mean, all
you can do sometimes is be accountable. That said, Jonathan
Smith's ma a fair number of mistakes himself, or we
wouldn't be in the spot.

Speaker 5 (01:45:02):
Scotti Green's El Camino number one. As I write this
at Sunday at five pm, Smith is still the coach.
Why he's lost the fans, the former players, and most
importantly the local columnist and Magic Johnson. I'm still not
convinced he wants to be here. If he did, I'd
at least expect arguing on bad calls or showing some
emotion on the sideline. And two, I'm also a little

(01:45:24):
pissed that players parents feel the need to respond on
social media like we're all piling on their sons most
or none. In fact, we feel bad for your sons.
They deserve a coach who can figure out how to
win and with what he has. Don't blame any of
them leaving.

Speaker 6 (01:45:39):
Yeah, I mean there's some stuff that gets a little
nasty with players here and there. But I think people
are people understand their limitations. People want a better team.
Some of those guys just aren't good enough. Some are
and or some are you know, still developing and too young.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Whatever I do.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
I understand it though from a parent's perspective, because all
this feels personal if you're in their shoes. It feels
personal if if you're in Jonathan Smith's shoes. And that's
why I've been impressed with the lack of defensiveness, because
if if I weren't hissues, I would probably be a
little now I would. I would be better at handling
certain things. You'd you'd you'd feel the emotion of it
with me. I would be better at explaining things. I'd

(01:46:19):
be very transparent. I'd be like, listen, let me tell
you about Matteshbi and the check I didn't get. Oh,
you know, I'd be things like that. I'd be much
that would show, that would show emotion, right, I'd be
different people on your side. Yeah, yeah, but you know
then again, i'd also should be a heavy fired. But
you know the problem, you'd have with me is I
would take You'd give me, like you know, a fifteen
million for the roster, and I'd spend it all on

(01:46:39):
the Lancing promise, and then there'd be no football team.
So there'll be other issues.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
But David Jackson, for your side, Lancy, I wanted Smith
to succeed, but his failure to make his team play
with discipline and his stupid decisions to go for two
and issue field goals twice made zero sense and make
me under about his actual football acumen. Of course, having

(01:47:02):
game officials on the take doesn't help, and bonus in
the end by respect for Brian Kelly increased tenfold. Wow.
Per an article in The Athletic by Bruce Feldman and
Ralph Russo, the AD ordered Kelly to fire his offensive coordinator.
When Kelly refused to escapegoat his assistant, that's when he
was fired.

Speaker 6 (01:47:21):
I thought, well, I thought I read that Kelly was
willing to do it and get rid of Coat. Not
sound like Brian Kelly at all.

Speaker 5 (01:47:26):
David. Are you sure you read we need to read that? Yeah, don't.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
The other problem with the Bruce Feldman report is Bruce Feldman,
you know, depending on he's a penis. I'm not saying
he's a penis. I I'll say sorry, But certainly the
amount MSU was on the hook for a while from
mel Tucker may have been directly related to his LSU report,
with which an agent. You know anyway, what it is,
what it is. But I'm not like Brian Kelly at

(01:47:53):
one point covered him when I was in Kalamazoo Western
Michigan and he was still at Central. Covered his first
game at Cincinnati and the international on January seven, two
thousand and seven, when Western Michigan played Cincinnati. When he
took over for D'Antonio.

Speaker 5 (01:48:05):
He was great. He was fun to deal with. He was.

Speaker 6 (01:48:09):
And I'm not saying he doesn't have he can't turn
on a personality that can be engaging. I'm not saying
at one point he wasn't a really good football coach.
I think he's done and I just don't think he's
got too much baggage too. You can do better if
you're in Michigan State.

Speaker 5 (01:48:25):
Matt boone number one. I am impressed by Jonathan Smith
not showing a motion to the media. His little donor
supports not loved by the fans. Media is writing he
should be gone and having a five game losing streak,
all by double digits. Most would have a meltdown or
some type of reaction, but not John Auschuck Smith and too.
Hiring Max Bulla as the next coach could be something

(01:48:46):
that really improves the vibes from all all levels of
the fan base. I think donors and a bunch could
rally around as long as he finds a good staff
to come with him. I think he could really be
a good head of the stable, ahead of the table.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Max Bullet could be a great head coach at point.
It could be a good hedge coach. Now, I just again,
what why do we think that? Because he's Max Bulla
and he was a spartan and he was a great
leader in Michigan, and he's a linebacker's coach at Notre
Dame which is a successful program. Maybe, but again, that's
everything you just mentioned. Yeah, those are good things. It
was a good pitch. Actually, I'm like more inspired now. Yeah,

(01:49:21):
I'm not Max Buller not sure he's ready, and you
want him if you're making that higher, you have to
make sure he's ready. And I'm not saying he's not ready.
I'm just saying that nobody making the pitch for bullet.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
I'm not saying he's not ready, but you're not saying
he's ready. Are you saying? This could go either way?
Is that what you're saying? With anybody and with anything
in life, you could go either way? Oh no, Kurt
was Newski? Would you give us twenty eight reasons why
Smith is still the coach of MSU this morning? You
should really do that. That would be great. This coaching
staff should be cleaving mac Troughs cleaning, cleaving, cleaning mac

(01:49:51):
Troughs versus being on the sideline on Saturdays. Whatever ai
thing you used to put these together is ass No,
I just don't know what it does with all the situations. Well,
hold on, cap, What does cleaving mean? Is it as
a word? It must be a word? No, No, it's
spit or something, especially in a long it is a word.
I don't know if it was a mistake on it was.

(01:50:12):
Newski's usually really really good with grammar. I look, I
know our readers at this point. I know who's stuff
I have to clean up and who don't. There are
some of these that you will not talk about, Kurt.
I was talking about when you put it into your
little I see, however you move them around. I was
not blaming Kurt, I was blaming your copy basted. Sometimes
there's an auto correct fox, all right, Lucas Next, it's
clear that Bat is letting Smith ride out the year,

(01:50:35):
right unless Minnesota goes just so horribly that you have
to make a move.

Speaker 6 (01:50:40):
I think that's what it probably is. And I don't
know what that looks like in Minnesota, but I do
think it's one of those things you know when you see.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
It.

Speaker 6 (01:50:49):
Yeah, if it's going to happen before the end of
the season's going to happen after the next game.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
Cover that spread, Eric Larson, Can we pivot one hundred
percent on MSU hoops now? The only thing worth talking
about out with the football team is if they can't
find a donor to buy out Smith. Nothing else is interesting,
no storylines, apathy level eleven out of ten.

Speaker 6 (01:51:09):
And this is why you have a MISSUY football the
way it is, though, because other places like it doesn't
stop basketball. They're like, I don't care that it's starting.
We got to fix this football program year round now.
I don't have I think that's a horrible way to live, right,
I think this is a better way to live. I'm
not saying it's not a better way to live.

Speaker 5 (01:51:22):
I just think this is. This is the side of it.

Speaker 6 (01:51:24):
It's tricky because you know what your donors may feel.
That way they got to take care of is though,
they got to make you know this is and I again,
everybody realizes. I think at MSU, who's in a position
of power, that football has to be has to be
healthy for MSU athletics to be healthy. But that when
you get distracted in November by wait, MSU basketball is
at yukon Tuesday night, all this stuff, it's great and

(01:51:46):
I and I look, Larson's a Eric's great dude. Eric's
a basketball guy. Uh, you know, there's a great job
on on the Final four is not on the schedule podcast.
But this this apple you see in this ability to
shift gears that a lot of places don't have. I
don't think. I think in a small way over the

(01:52:06):
years and years is hurt IMSU. Michigan doesn't deal with this.
They care about basketball. They turn around. Michigan basketball is
doing great. They're in but outside of some people and
you know, it's it's football all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
Christopher Wilson The issue isn't that coach's tank. It's that
large buyouts can alter incentive structures. If a thirty million
dollars safety net removes failure risk, the competitive edge that
drives elite performance can erode. It's system level design flaw,
not an individual failing. We need more research.

Speaker 6 (01:52:38):
That's an interesting, interesting point and it'll be very interesting.
It'll be interesting to see where this all goes in
the next five years because I do agree that like
the buyouts the way they are now don't work. But
if you're in a competitive landscape, how do you how
do you avoid them? Then again, you know, if if
you're hiring Max Bulla, he may not take much of
a buyout.

Speaker 5 (01:52:59):
So yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
It.

Speaker 6 (01:53:02):
I do believe it is a flaw and there has
to be Wait, you know, the whole structure of how
much coaches make, because coach is still important. People say, well,
they're less important. A coach is really still important. We
see that right now. It's not working with Jonathan Smith.
That's a coaching situation, right the coach still matters. You
just got to get the right one. But you got
to get you know, they still have the market, they

(01:53:23):
still have leverage.

Speaker 5 (01:53:24):
Steve hypothetically better MSU fit Brian Kelly or James Franklin.

Speaker 6 (01:53:29):
James Franklin by a mile. I think I've not heard
one art. I mean he's younger by quite a bit.
I think he's got an edge to him, still something
to prove. I think Kelly's I think Kelly's toast. I'm
not saying both don't have some some questions about them,
but I would if you made me make that choice, said,
take James Franklin one hundred tis out of one hundred dinos.

Speaker 5 (01:53:48):
Pamoni. Brian Kelly would be best and most realistic higher
in this cycle for MSU. Franklin home run, but we'll
compete versus FSU LSU in Florida, Syrahcuse head coach. It's
a dark horse and PJ. Fleck name will pop up
tough spot for the ad. Maybe he punts this a
year to get ducks in a row and from gunf

(01:54:10):
Brian Kelly's firing is perfect timing for m SU. There
was no other high profile higher out there that fit,
and I'm wary of trying to find the next Signetti.
Signetti bring him back to the state and Baked replace
Chiles in a SEO and find out if he's the
next Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
At a lot of two thousand and eight, two thousand
and six dreams going out here. Yeah, I just don't
see it with Brian Kelly. I think, you know, he's
mid sixties, right, and I just think he's done. There
reports at LSU that he was not as engaged as
he should have been. Like, what's going to change that?
Another massive paycheck? That's what it would probably cost.

Speaker 5 (01:54:44):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:54:44):
I think when you when the Franklin, I think Franklin,
for example, is in a different place. I think he
still wants to prove something. He's a lot younger I
would if you're, you know, talking between those two. I
just Brian Kelly would have been an interesting hire a
long time ago. I don't think he is anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
Bill Hoffmeyer next, I think Billy Napier would be a
massive upgrade for MSU football. Not having the toughest schedule
in the country two years in a row wouldn't hurt
his chances. I don't think he could win enough things,
but he would put us back in the seven eight
wins a year category. And note that's not enough for me.
I'm actually looking for someone like Paton Ardoozy with Max

(01:55:22):
Bulla as DC. Bring in some former spartans and key
coaching spots hashtag series this time. And lastly, I don't
like old retreads. For the most part, old white dudes
like Brian Kelly are a nogo our Doozy gets a
pass because he was successful here. There are some younger
guys with real skills, but I do fear the Sunbelt

(01:55:43):
billy situation where they can't make the jump. Well, that's
the Kurt Signetti situation. That's that's the eighties job.

Speaker 6 (01:55:48):
That's the higher that's the job is to find that person,
and that's to find the fit, to find somebody with
the acumen, to find somebody who's the right leader at
the right time. And that's again, that's why you make
the Jay bat higher. And that's his job now. And
you also have to Your president is in on this too.
I mean, they've they've got to get this right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:08):
Shadow Boots. Next, give Izzo the football program, move Rosseed
interim head coach. Then Izzo can retire from basketball after
this season and transition to coaching football. He may not
have the CV as a football coach CV, but he
certainly would have huge support from the fan base and donors.
Maybe he brings Marucci with them. When I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:56:29):
When I don't change the abbreviation, that means I don't
know either. The yeah, a couple of things here. Then
you've got a losing basketball program and a losing football program,
which doesn't doesn't help anybody keep his coaching basketball if
you're Michigan State as long as you possibly can. And
I know that something that was Izzo's dream at one point,

(01:56:51):
or at least he you know, considered it, probably more
strongly than than than people were aware. But mary Ucci
is out of the game forever. This is not This
is not the move. Is over to the football program
with Mariucci is not the move.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
Joseph David. The big schools Pence, Penn State, Florida State, Florida,
LSU will be chasing the big name coaches. This will
give us an opportunity to find an up and comer
from a lower level if we can identify him. Looking
for a guy who can hire a great staff. Smith
did not will be about one hundred percent turnover of
his players.

Speaker 6 (01:57:24):
I do think somebody who not only hires a great
staff because I think there's a this is a good staff. Now,
I just think somebody who over can really be a
presence and oversee a program and lead and you know,
I think that's more important than and and maybe you
know that's maybe that is a max bull but and

(01:57:44):
maybe it can be a first time head coach. But
that's that's a tricky job and it takes a certain
set of skills.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
As lead Meson would say, neurotic paants number one and
inpatient fan base could hurt MSU's program more. Maybe we
should just stop watching plants grow for a few years.
And two Sheehanna is right, right though, what evidence do
we have that anything is improving? And three I understand
Graham used to cover the Western Michigan Broncos, who have
a football team as well.

Speaker 6 (01:58:10):
Yeah, I'm not sure Michigan State wins that game against
Western if they were to play now this week. That
Western's had an okay year. Yeah, look, I get it.
Impatience is not great, and impatience is going to be there,
and it's impatience is part of the problem. But as
you said at number two, there isn't evidence that anything

(01:58:32):
is improving, and maybe it's too quick to it's just
there should be it should look different than this, and
I think that's that's fair. And but yeah, impatience is
definitely a tricky dynamic here, Jay.

Speaker 5 (01:58:44):
Riemenschneider, Alabama hasn't had a losing season in twenty years,
Georgia has one losing season in thirty and Ohio State
hasn't had a losing season since eighty eight. You'll lose that,
Muskox bet. So I'll take mine in large. We can
meet up, or I'll just send you my address. The bet.
The idea here was.

Speaker 6 (01:59:02):
That every school is going to go through this at
some point, even the powers. You're gonna see Alabama have
a four and eight year Certainly we've seen it with
Florida State a lot, but I think this is new.
I understand that the history, but the landscape has changed
so much really only the last four years.

Speaker 5 (01:59:15):
Maybe really matters.

Speaker 6 (01:59:17):
And I'm not saying it's going to happen all the
time or it's more likely to happen, but there will
be down years for everybody. Maybe it doesn't happen if
Kirby Smart's done, or maybe it doesn't happen, but it
just it's gonna happen more often in college for it's
going to year to year, it's going to be tough
to get it right.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
Matt c Number one. I was at the game and
I never thought i'd see the day MSU football was
so dead. Michigan fans weren't even being obnoxious. Well, it's
such a joke now we all chant at Jared Goff
together at one point too. Jonathan Smith is coaching to
get fired, and the lack of effort from the players
is noticeable live on defense. They don't fight to get
off blocks. I notice Marsh jogging on routes and Aiden

(01:59:54):
is playing like he had the under on his own
passing yards excuse me three. Every day ja back keep
Smith employed is a signal to donors that MSU is
not serious about football and they should stop donating immediately.

Speaker 6 (02:00:07):
They aren't doing I mean he's trying to get them
to don it. I don't think that's at all it.
I think every day he's trying to get this right,
and he's trying to be sure that they get the
timing right and they have the I don't think that
has I just don't read it like that. This is
not Jay Batt not being serious. This is Jay batt
being like he's got to do it faster than he
wanted to, and you know, trying to get make sure

(02:00:28):
they're set up to get this right when they do it,
and to make sure it's right for the program if
they do it before the end of the season, which
I don't think is obvious.

Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
Mojo Jojo making fans hot. Take Nardouzi head coach, Bullet
defensive coordinator, Hawkins offensive coordinator, and Cousins quarterback coach and
denired defensive back coach Baked. I will pay one thousand
dollars and can send the receipt to Jason's nonprofit of
choice for a ted Lasso episode by episode debrief on

(02:00:57):
season one during the post March Madness pre football season,
audited and confirmed by team. If you want to pay
me a grand to watch that ship, I'll watch it
in a weekend for you for your charity of choice,
not for you. That is my charity of choice, the
Human Fue. Yeah you talking about Yeah, absolutely, hundred dollars
offer for somebody.

Speaker 6 (02:01:17):
We'll break it down there. You go eight eight hundred
to Jason, two hundred for somebody. I'll watch it in
the weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
Yeah. The episodes, well, he's saying season one, it's probably
ten or twelve. I can't I get you that. Yeah, yeah,
you can handle it. Yeah, it's good Season one race.
I'll write up Yep, Grahamonito Couch number one, Graham's favorite
Southern swamp hot take. Nick Marsh is going to be
amazing for Georgia next year, whereas Aid and Childs will
have a hard time living up to Trindad Chambliss and

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what in naming yards at old Miss and Bonus and
Ojeron and Florida have the chance to do the funniest thing.

Speaker 6 (02:01:50):
Ed Oh, I think he's probably done coaching too, But
because that guy was done coming now can we get
him here? But he was done coaching after he won
a national title. He stopped trying lsu. I can't imagine
he's gonna how you can do all the stuff he
was doing back then. It's legal now, Like, man, he'd
be fun to listen to. It'd be hard to get
on you, like your your transcription software would be like
it just break, like if you were using Otter or
something like that to transcribe press conference. Like, I mean, Jason,

(02:02:18):
do you think that uh Bill Beaker? I mean the
man of many voices. Here Spartholomew.

Speaker 5 (02:02:24):
Next. Every time Smith talks post game, he sounds like
he's reading a script from Friday Night Lights. Low ego,
high output was good, but that guy's long gone. At
least Captain Cock Holster had horseship coach and keep chopping.
What the fund you read these? I'm sorry, yeah what
I Captain Cock, Captain Cock Holster, she's a family show. Sorry, yeah,

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we do TC Brounsey. For the first time ever, I
did not watch a single play of the MSU Michigan game.
The outcome was complete before the began and was as
predictable as Tuck breaking a sweat. Those who did watch
must think Lucy will let them kick the ball next time.
M Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:03:10):
Still people want to watch. You only get twelve of
these a year. You only get one ms U Michigan game.
You never know, right, I get it. I get why
people want to watch. And it's the car crash for
some people, it's the hope, it's it's the tradition, it's
what you do. And I understand that couch on fire.

Speaker 5 (02:03:24):
Bad coaching, bad execution, bad quarterback, bad refs, bad contract,
bad look, and bad karma At least LSU knows when
to cut the cord. Bonus. We were told it was
because of vacation and game coverage, but I've learned you
two took three shows off because of load management. Yeah
kind of yeah, I do die. Fuck. I didn't even

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take a load off, and it was just like a vacation,
I mean, drop a load. Oh come you know what, man? Sorry, yeah,
I was just trying to work in the show. So gross. Anyway,
Troy Troy Hunter assuming Smith will be called into J.
Batt's office for a quick meeting today. Who are the candidates,
I say, Brent Key, PJ. Fleck, Pat Fitzgerald, and Bob Chesney. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:04:09):
I mean it's like it's something I'm starting to do,
is piece together possibilities. I think I think Pat Fitzgerald
is one of those names that you know, I would
be I would find intriguing. But again, the coach is
still their body is still warm, so to speak. So
it's a little couch top five list your personal favorites. Well, no,

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but it'll be a mix of like guys. I would
include in guy because there are people who I would
say Fitzgerald is not somebody who's unintriguing.

Speaker 5 (02:04:39):
To people who matter. Jason Akins, here is my daughter
goes to Vanderbilt and I went to their game this
weekend against Miszoo Hot Takes. Vandy has a real nineteen
ninety six Northwestern vibe going on right now. They serve
beer in the stadium event to the students who are
over twenty one. This would have been a disaster when
I was a student at MSU in the nineties. And
Vandy football is fun right now. MSU football is not.

(02:05:01):
Anddy football is a lot of fun and it's a
good story. And it's the reason that I mean Vandy
football is an example of how different, uh the sport
is in the nil era and what you're what you
can be capable of doing. And they identified this, they
knew this was here, and they said, this is our moment,
and they've done it. Lion's reply, Guy Couch, you say
for big interviews like izzoh, you'd have to go through
the LSJ first and not the show. What about Lions interviews?

(02:05:24):
If one of your boys, like Colton Pouncey, was able
to get Dan Campbell for the show, could you do
it or would elis J still get the first priority? Oh?

Speaker 6 (02:05:32):
We could have Dan Campbell and I don't cover the Lions,
but the Colton Pouncey who works to the athletic if
he gets a one on one with Dan Campbell's not
gonna say, you know what. Instead, I'd like you to
do this with the couch in the room. But if
if Colton wants to for his.

Speaker 5 (02:05:44):
Own podcast, would Dan Campbell go on his pod?

Speaker 6 (02:05:47):
I don't know, right, yeah, but he would definitely do
Colton's before ours.

Speaker 5 (02:05:51):
Ryan Rockwell, build a D'Antonio statue, and fuck anyone who
continues to blame him for the current state of the program.
Too much has change in college ball the last five
years to keep crying about how he left. He was
the best we ever had and maybe ever will. In bonus,
Big Gretch is kind of hot, like in a teacher
librarian way, Oh not a governor way. I mean, what

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do you mean, James Blancherd wasn't hot for you.

Speaker 6 (02:06:14):
Right, Librarian plancher was a good looking man. My dad
was once confused for James Plantard. He went my dad
was walking downtown in front of the Capital. He worked
for the House Analysis Section. He was the editor of
the Bill Analysis Section. But this is back when Blanchard
was the governor, and somebody thought my dad was Blanchard,
asked for his autograph and he signed James Blanchard to

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So that was a story we're telling. Presented by Midtown
Brewing Company, a place you may run into James Blanchard
or Gretchen Whitmer or whoever you want, maybe me or
Jason in downtown Lansing, Midtown Bruin Company, m Go Boner.

Speaker 5 (02:06:48):
Next he says, it's m go Boner, not that hard. Jay,
The fuck are you fucking know me? Jay? I could
deal with Graham's BS vacation fucking up shows, but Jay's
constant moaning when there's a long tweet has to be
read followed by one of his shitty stories makes me
think you guys lost the plot we produce this show.

(02:07:10):
MSU has me dead inside. I know you sound like
a fucking baby. MSU must have you dead inside. You
sound like one of MSU's donor. And by the way,
I don't bone about the long tweet, Penis. It's about
when you preface it with oh, this is a pretty
long tweet, just get into it, like I don't even
need to hear that. That was my point. I don't
mind reading these. Go boner Hans Jergin number one, go
blow isn't any good. We lost because we just were

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just worse. And two Shron Moore is a clown. And three,
unless you have Jim Brown in your backfield, no one
is going to buy your play action on fourth and three,
And why you're throwing it short of the sticks anyway?
And bonus in one final desperate act, Smith should start
a lessio against Minnesota. The other players seems to like him,
and he gets the ball out quicker Chiles, which is

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needed with this offensive line.

Speaker 6 (02:07:56):
I think it would be probably a mistake this season
not to see what Alessio looks like, especially if Childs
is n't better quickly see what Alesio looks like in
more high leverage situations. He looked great in Indiana when
they brought him in that one. Sorry Nebraska when they
brought him in that one situation. He did not look
as good against against UCLA.

Speaker 5 (02:08:15):
Jake Hawkins number one. It's extremely disappointing that MSU's offense
Saturday night took one step forward, two steps back and
didn't put MSU in a better position to win the game.
Most pathetic part was not converting on fourth and one
when the Michigan defense wasn't even set and two. I'm
sure Jonathan Smith is is great and nice plus a
good coach, but I can't believe that he looks like

(02:08:37):
an AI generated motionless robot on the sidelines. Great job
pointing out in your column, Graham that the old school
way of building a football program no longer works. Good job, dude. Three.
If and when Smith is fired, I'd reach to Pat
Nardoozi again and hire him as head coach. I think
Pitt players would follow, and I'm sure he would bring
Max Bulla as the defensive coordinator if that happens, put

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in the contract that Max is the head coach in Wady.

Speaker 6 (02:09:01):
It's amazing. I feel like a lot of people would
be okay with that. And when Joe rexrode on this
show brought up the idea of paton Ardoozy before the
last hire, he got like laughed and mocked and being
out of touch and like at times.

Speaker 5 (02:09:11):
Of who's saying that Pat Nardoozy should be the guy?
Like I don't.

Speaker 6 (02:09:14):
I think there are some fans that would be happy
with devastated. It's a different vibe than it was a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (02:09:19):
You wouldn't be I would be devastating, would you really? Yeah, Nardoozy,
just be like, what do we know? That's not gonna
work anyway. Finally, the jerk guy, I think everyone should
just write off Michigan State football. There does not seem
to be the will to do what is needed, just
except that they will be in on the bottom three
four teams, three to four teams in the league every year.
In bonus, Tom Tom gonna be the next head basketball

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coach at Michigan State.

Speaker 6 (02:09:43):
It'd be interesting to follow Tom tom Nairn's career. Azo
said at some point he's gonna hire amount of staff,
which means I was going to coach for a little
while longer. And I look, I think Tom Tom's a
pretty bright coach. It'd be interesting to see where that goes.
I also think like if you could financially make football work,
finishing the bottom three or four and put all your
money into basketball, hockey, women's basketball, everything, and it'd be great.

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Everywhere else you can make an argument for it. The
problem is everything else suffers when football suffers, and that's
where we kind of are now.

Speaker 5 (02:10:11):
I'd like to.

Speaker 6 (02:10:11):
Appreciate Jason the Rube right here for reading all of those.
That was a lot, and you were great, and this
is one of your best performances as a reader. You
should go down to a library and read to children
because I think they would enjoy enjoy your dulcent tones.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
Oh wow.

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