Ep. 1085: Twitter Question Thursday: MSU football's future and MSU basketball's present

We answered your questions on Michigan State football, the coaching situation, the game at Minnesota, the program's NIL resources, on MSU basketball after the exhibition against UConn, on the Tigers and Skubal, the Lions and Hutchinson, Halloween and more. Plus, Harry Gagnon joined us for our football picks and best bets (1:03:00).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh h.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
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Speaker 1 (01:55):
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Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's the American way, except America has gotten soft, really
good Penis. Let's go green, go God. What's up, buddy?
I'm really disappointed that you didn't dress up like andre
Agassi today. It's the day before Halloween. This is how
august you dressed Augusty. He's a Muskox man, so this
is Augusty. Yeah. I kind of teed up that Muskox liveried,

(03:38):
I guess, but yeah, you did well, you did well.
It's a bummer anyway, Happy Halloween. Well how come you
be you didn't dress like that? I knew you wouldn't
show up in anything. So what am I gonna? I'm
just show up like an ass? Yeah, oh I do
that every time anyway, I'm the RMIT the Frog or something.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, dude, I had to to tweet that out. Turmit
the Frog nineteen eighty four is the roube. So mom
handmade that costume. Back of the day, I think you
and I were Kermit maybe the same year. I was
not very happy. I wanted to be he Man. Back
in the day. I was not happy with my mother.
But what year did you go as Superman? I didn't
go as super never never. No, Wow, No, I wasn't

(04:14):
into Superman, but definitely like the Kurmit. I went to
Fonzie Bear one year, Kermit the Frog another year, Like I.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Feel like the But this was like a handmade costae. Yeah,
my mom made was from my aunt. It was a
hand me down from her kids. But yeah, it was
going on back then. A lot of there was no store,
there's no Halloween outlet thing back then creative. They weren't
stuck on social media. They had time. They had no tablet,
they had time.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
That is true.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
They were nothing to do back then, so what was there?
You know, might as well make your kid a costume.
They were just better parents, better people. The world was
better plays one of my parents anyway. But yeah, anyway,
happy Halloween.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Eve.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah, that's right. I'm gonna miss Halloween this year, which sucks.
Why because of this you're going to sleep through it?
Or freaking Michigan State Minnesota football game. Oh, I have
to fly out like a I've got a five o'clock
flight and an hour before treating. It's no, it's no good.
Then you were in Yukon. You were in Hartford. By
the way, shout out Yukon Plus. I want to shout

(05:09):
him out because I know I give Big Ten Plus
a bunch of crap.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
By the way, that is still true, but Yukon Plus.
Shout out to them for not charging whatsoever. Maybe you
might want to get the word out that it's free though,
because I don't know if many people knew that. So
thanks to Yukon Plus it got to see that exhibition.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
I don't know if it was planned to be free.
I think that's part of the issue. And and but
so they didn't mean for it to be well it's
also it was televised locally, so it wasn't like it's
not like at MSU or the Big Ten where they
have students doing it and then they take the feed
and then there's some old planple on there right, because
it's the locals. It was the local CBS affiliate. It
was like a Fred Human and Tim stouton, you know,

(05:50):
all these I felt all of Fred Human got together
and they were like, we're gonna do it on the
local CBS affiliate. So that's what they do there. It
was on CBS and then they just pick up the feet.
That's that's what happened. That was brilliant. Yeah, so you
mean they meant to charge and they were like whoopsie.
Because I was, you know, because I was figuring. I
was waiting for it.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I watched the pregame on their local news station. I
figured by the time the pre game's over there, I'm like, like,
something's gonna pop on, like where's your eight bucks a hole?
But it never did. It was this fascinating. Yeah, I
don't know what went wrong. I was, why don't we
do that here? I mean, it's an exhibition game and
there's no way you should charge period for those things. Yeah,
I don't know what what went wrong. I was sitting
next to a guy from UH who covers Yukon and

(06:27):
he thought it was eight bucks and it was some
seven ninety nine to watch it. They must have.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
They must be as as solid in business as we are,
you know, just like couch and the room people are
running at ukon plus. That's there, you go, that's it.
It's not in a lot of money, are they. Yeah,
we have what I think is going to be a
good show today. Uh, A lot of your groovy doning
at Twitter questions I think will lead to a good
discussion here. A lot of MSU football and MSU hoops,

(06:55):
some some Lions, little Tigers.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Maybe it was how we.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Didn't see that exhibition game though, a lot of reaction
from that. Yeah, I don't know that it's as much
as I should on your takes.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I do agree that when those were like closed door
and get better something out of them, it was more
it added It was fun to have it on to
watch some hoops. But I mean, the season is gonna
start eight days.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
But it just adds unnecessary angst in October to college basketball.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Like entertaining stinks.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
If one game, I mean obviously, if you win the
game and you play well, there's that opportunity. But you've
got all these big games coming up that are showcase games,
regular season games. Arkansas, Kentucky, you know, North Carolina, Duke like,
let those be the games you got, the games you
don't need. You don't if you want, I think you
either play Ferris State until you can have the delusions
for another couple of weeks and thinking.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Man, we may be awesome.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
Who's that that's uh Tony Dobroski. Maybe I don't know,
it's fan, it's random fan, it's crazy. That's pretty close actually,
or or you keep it buying closed doors and you
don't really have a full grasp of it because I
just don't think it's it's I don't think it's helpful
for any of the you know, play or Eric, have
Fred Human and Tim Stout to do it. Yeah, one
of those, or or just be ready for the microscope.

(08:03):
But you do get a situation where some of it's
it is a fair snapshot a little bit of where
they are. But then there are also lineups in the game,
and you're like, there's no way Oh plays this group
if it's a regular season game. He's got five new
guys on the floor together team and it's just not
going to be a lineup that's on the court. And
so I would ask the Ukon guy, how crazy are
they going with lineups? And be like, well sometimes, but
then Yukon would have their best lineup in where Michigan

(08:24):
State had maybe it's worse, and so that would never happen.
You know, like there are things that I don't know.
Behind closed doors is probably the way to go. And
I'm also selfish from this from a preview copy perspective,
like it's almost like the seasons already started. What's the
point of all the stuff we had planned?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
But that's of course it's about you has to sup
back around and how it affects you and the LSJ separate,
separate issue.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
The The other thing that happened today, and we're going
to talk playing MMSHU basketball here through the groovy donut
Twitter questions is oh, the death penalty. CMU football finally
got the death penalty. Thirty done. Damn, that's a hell
of a fine.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
By the way, I want to know what one percent
of the CMU football budget is that's about does mean?

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Is that thirty thousand? Yeah, it's about twelve bucks. So
that thirty k fine was pretty good. Now, I look,
it was not a huge punishment. What they got was
four staffers got show cause penalties for former staffers, two
of them for two years. Jake Costner, who is the
guy who was behind it all and brought in counter
stallions to be on the sidelines and did so, and
you know, in large part to help him. As his

(09:30):
first game as a play caller, he got four years
at prison no show cause, I mean, pretty much ruined
his career as it should.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
You can't do that. And then.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
You know, thirty thousand dollars fine, a couple of years probation.
So if this happens again, becomes a hammer. Obviously, I
have mixed feelings on it. I know a lot of
people wanted the death penalty.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I would have.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
I did not think CMU behaved all that accountable during
the process, But I'll be curious to see what their
statements are about it, and what Amy Folan has to say,
and where MSU goes from here in terms of keeping
them on the schedule or not. MSU football, though, has
bigger issues than whether they're going to play CMU in
twenty twenty seven and twenty and thirty, and that the
focus should be. I'm not saying you can't walk in

(10:13):
chew gum. The issue needs to be who's coaching your team?
Can you properly fund your team, because CMU will not
be able to properly fund its team going forward. None
of these mid majors can. They will be losing hemorrhaging
talent every time they get a player. Their situation sucks.
You don't have to hammer CMU for their situation suck.
Being a mid major in college football just blows. And

(10:34):
that's where they are right now. It's totally different than
it was five six years ago. Let mean, think about
every great team you've ever thought of, a CMU or
Western or Easter or anybody. That team would not exist today.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
So there's that.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
No Antonio Brown, no antony It would have left for
a you know, and obviously he was like a six
round pick, so he wasn't like that wasn't like Greg
Jennings or some of the guys who are a little
a little higher rated. Yeah, he would have gone to
a high major. At some point, you're lost out with
Dani la Fever. Dyla Fever doesn't finish his career at
Central Michigan, like none of the two thousand and nine
probably doesn't happen, you know, none of this stuff, So

(11:13):
you know, I don't it would be a totally totally
different story.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I think there'll be a statement from the University of
Michigan State today.

Speaker 5 (11:22):
I don't know. I don't think so now to Michigan say.
They might be from CMU, right, but I don't think
the ruffy me Michigan.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Maybe be awesome if j Bat came out and said
something today, man, that would be a nice push into
fire in this coach and getting a new coach. Jay
Back comes out in the f CMU.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
So the other thing, the other thing we do usually
the end off we chose is we usually give our
best picks. We will do that later when we have
Harry Gagnan on, So look for that a little bit later.
We'll do our picks presented by fire keepers. I because
you know in sportsbook app are you ready to dig
into these groovy.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Don it total questions? Yeah? I guess so. Sorry, somebody
walked around the studio. We wrote the little thrown off
our game here Eric Schaltz up first, Graham rightly talks
about how Smith's issue isn't thirty eight thirteen to Indiana,
but rather forty one fourteen versus Rutgers thirty eight thirteen
versus Cla, et cetera. But when Tucker was losing thirty
four to seven to Minnesota and thirty nine thirty one

(12:17):
to Indiana with one completed pass in the second half,
you are all, we can't judge him till twenty twenty five.
Why the different tone with Smith? A couple things, and
this is this is a fair good question. One.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Obviously, I think things have changed even more clearly that
you have to continue to show progress. Tucker had had
the one big year already, right, he had shown the
ability if if early on there was that twenty twenty
one type season, not even to that degree from Jonathan Smith,
where you saw the ceiling was there, you'd say, well,

(12:53):
you got to give this guy time to figure it out.
And the way anil works right now and is just
a lot more clear. Number one. So I may have
been a little bit off base on that. But I
also think Tucker was recruiting for a while in a
way that made you think, let's see what it looks

(13:14):
like when his guys are in the program, where we
haven't seen that with Jonathan Smith yet. And maybe that's
not fair to Jonathan Smith. I don't think a lot
of this is all that fair to Jonathan Smith. But again,
if Tucker's year after the COVID year, if Tucker's year
two was this bad, granted a little bit different times. Still,
the COVID year is the first year isn't really all
that fair. But if Tucker you know, turned around, went

(13:37):
four and eight after two and five, or it had
been a real you know, or year three had been
in twenty twenty two had been what it was after
four and eight in twenty twenty one, I think the
conversation might have been different. So that's that's all it is.
I think there were just more promising signs. You have
to show promise, especially now, and we just haven't seen that.
But and Tucker had more juice.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
He is more juice to his program at the time
he did Eric Schultz's Graham ever had a worse take
than his Haller will get an ovation at a basketball
game in a decade point from Monday. Holy God, Graham,
the guy followed up the worst contract in the history
of the sport with the worst MSU higher since Muddy Waters.
His legacy isn't complex. He was horrific. I think that's overstated.

(14:20):
I think it is.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I think it is complex, and I will be the
one standing if I fucking have to to give him
the ovation.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
You're not a good person to do it, might start
booing you and just not even know who they'll just meet.
Eric's throwing things at me. Sit down. Did you say
that he definitely will or you just question? I forget
if he questioned. I don't remember. No. I think he.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
I think he will be remembered more for he'll get
a standing ovation standing over now he say standing, it's ovation.
I think he'll get an applause. I think he got
an applause. I think he will be somebody. First of all,
he's had a long track record. He was and granted
he was part of the Meltucker hire, a big part
of it, for better or worse. He was part of
the D'Antonio search. Although that's mark Kyle is higher and

(15:02):
the football side of things will not go that well.
But hockey, women's basketball, what they've become there his his
and I do think you know, Alan Haller sort of
had to to die for m s U sins so
to speak. I don't mean to compare with Jesus Christ here,
but what I mean is, uh, let me let me

(15:24):
try to bring this around. MSU did not have a
good focus. Did not have a proper, healthy approach to
non revs prior to him, and it look, it can't
be what drives your program. You need football to drive
your program, for better or worse, you need men's basketball.

(15:45):
Uh No, you don't need you need football to drive
your program. But you also should treat your non revs
in a certain way. You also should try to have
good non revs if you can, you should. And and
somebody like he came in and did that, and he
knew he was going to do a fine by the
football search. It hasn't worked. And a lot of his

(16:06):
the reason it's not like a standing ovation or a
successful ten years because that didn't work. The way he
went about it didn't work. The ultimate higher didn't work,
even if I thought it was a decent higher at
the time. But I think he's a guy who went
to MSU, He played at MSU, He was a part
of a lot of things at MSU, and he did
some good things at MSU. And I think as time
moves on, those things will be remembered.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Do you think that they'll have to like put his
name up there or they're just gonna show him on camera? No,
be like do you think people just randomly start applauding
like him on the big screen?

Speaker 5 (16:35):
People will apply it, Alan Haller, or just show a
picture and people will apply I think so ten years.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Please show Grant first. Eric Schultz is MSU's nil the
worst in the Big ten? Is it bottom three? If
the answer to both of those is no, can we
please stop with this? Smith was set up to fail? Nonsense.
He might have not have been set up to succeed
to the level we want, and that's not his fault.
But spare me.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
There has to be enough money to not be this
bad again. That's why he's in trouble because he there
is enough not to look like this in certain games.
If they were five and three right now, which they
could be with the roster they have, this discussion will
be totally different. Ucla looked different, if Nebraska looked different.

(17:20):
Michigan wouldn't have had the Michigan people not be happy
after the Michigan game, people be a little worried about it,
but we'd be having a totally different discussion, and none
of it would have to do with Jonathan Smith not
returning and so and then there would be the issue
of how do you fund this this properly. I don't
know where it is, where MSU's and IL is relative
to other teams in the Big Ten. This stuff has

(17:40):
not been very transparent. Every coach and ad says they
want transparency had yet nobody really offers it, right, So
it's all kind of bullshit because you can be first,
if you're Jonathan Smith, you can say, you know, these
are the millions I had. You can say, these are
the millions I thought I was going to have and
didn't have. And I don't think he has the money
he thought he was going to have. What level that was,

(18:01):
you know, promised or other things like that. I don't
I don't promise is a strong word, but I don't
think he has all the resources he thought he was
going to have. This roster would not look like it does.
So and then the way he was brought in without
I'm pretty sure he didn't realize that there was going
to be a contingent of donors that just didn't want him.

(18:21):
That said, he also hasn't you know, I mean, he's
been the big fundraising things and he's not somebody who
grabs an audience, who who sells himself when he's in
a room, so to speak, and those those things hurt
you in this day and age and that role.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So what about the next coach if they see what
happened to Jonathan Smith? Obviously behind the scenes numbers right like,
would you want to come to a program like Michigan
State if you know you're not going to have the money?

Speaker 5 (18:46):
Well, it depends on your options. There are so only
so many of these jobs.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And I again and it Smith just trust that there
would be the money here and didn't like say, hey,
I need this from you guys.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
So I think Haller probably told him we will be
able to do this. Haller thought they were gonna be
able to do this, and they you know, and it
still would be. All of this was happening in this
sort of transition moment to where you're going from nil
to revshare, and they were banking way too heavily, I think,
on the idea that revshare would solve problems and they
would even have they would be fine there. They have
enough money ahead of time, and they were working to

(19:17):
get to the money revshare wise, and I think, you know,
I don't even know that the exact total they got to.
This is stuff that some degree needs to be foyd
and looked into by people like me and elsewhere that
we haven't done enough of. Because I think this is
where Matt Mancareni comes into place.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Ah, Matt Makarini.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
Met MANCARREENI is a foya genius, right if you Matt
MCCARREENI should be making like five hundred k year for
some major organization doing this one thing, helping organizations put
together proper foyas because he can grab a foil log.
You're probably giving away a secret here. He doesn't want
to know it's okay, and he'll look down at the
foyas that have been sent in foy requests and he'll

(19:58):
know where people made mistakes, like, oh they asked for that,
they're not going to get that, Oh they asked for
that in this they should have They should have phrased
it like this. It's his it's his great skill, it's
his greatest skill, and it's one of the best things
we have by having him.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
But he can often, if God is real, he'll call
you later and go, Graham, why did you just give
away my secret of the foya thing? Apologies? Weren't supposed
to say that. I told you at dinner last week.
We may have to cut that one out. Fix it
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(20:31):
sports columnist excuse Alan Haller's beta cuckboy bullshit all because
he went to Sexton and didn't look right through him.
M That just goes to show you that if you
just don't look through Graham, he's gonna love you and
fight for you if you talk to him. I'm just saying,
if you're one of the mission of the new head coach,
just tell him that just do not look through couch

(20:52):
like actually act like he's an athlete, and he'll love
you forever. He'll defend you to the death. He might
even call you a God or some Moses or something wrong.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
That's go Green, Go God.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Baal key bar. Documents with all the angst and complaints
about MSU's NIL situation, one name I never here mentioned
is John Deichma. Wasn't he hired to be one of
the NIL guru an expert? What's he been doing? Could
be a good topic for a column. Gram Yeah, it
could be.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I mean, oh, ultimately you need money to you can
be all the guru you want, but if you're you've
got you know, if you don't have the cash, it's
it's tricky. And I think that's just what they say
at the LSJ too. Don't have that cash, can't do
the story. There have been times eighteen ninety nine a month,
send it over, Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's it's it's

(21:40):
a it's a fair question. There are a lot of
fair questions over there right now about what they have,
what their plan is, and because you know again this
this scores Act is not happening, and so how do
you deal with that? Would if people have double the
rev share, people have got twenty five million, thirty million,
some more than that, and you're playing with fifteen million

(22:02):
and struggling to get there. First of all, can you
get there regularly? Which I think them as you will
be able to because they'll budget, they'll cut if they
have to to get there for football, and as they
should frankly. But I mean, you see now the situation
with the and we haven't talked about this, the the
new arena that was going to house volleyball and gymnastics

(22:24):
in wrestling. That's not going to happen anymore. And that's
a reflection of priority and what you know, I think
that's a reflection of being worried you're not going to
have the money to do the things you need to
do in football.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Nesley's Quick Hotel. Jason touched on this Monday, But how
does this buy out not create a conflict of interest? Sure,
Iff Smith had turned out, he would have made more
in the long run, but given the circumstances, why knock
himself out? He's still most likely toast and.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Set for life. Well, if you're a competitor, if this
is your career, if you have pride in this, you've
built your whole life for these sort of opportunities. If
you uprooted your family and have a lot of other families,
and you brought in on the staff and you tried
to create I think he once described to me they
kind of brought a village with him, and all of
a sudden, you know it's it's in peril. You're gonna

(23:14):
fight for it. You know, it's not just about the cash.
I mean, I think it's hard for a lot of us,
and I don't blame any of us when we're like
looking at the amount of money he makes, and we'll
make in a buyout, not just to say screw it,
you know, Like I mean, if we were doing this
show and they said, you know, you can keep doing
this show, go on, or we'll give you five hundred

(23:35):
K a month to not do a show deal, I
don't know that we'd be back. I don't know we'd
be back on Monday. I'll take the CMU deal thirty K.
You put it in a double bag and right around
in a jeep.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
But don't get it. This be the end of me
a money bag. Do you see the buyout being an
obstacle that prevents MSU from firing Smith. A couple of
Detroit media writers who have certain biases in the state
had article and tweets on Monday and playing we're too
poor to afford it.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
Yeah, I don't know exactly, and I'm just going to
be upfront because if I, if I had it really
well sourced exactly where they were financially. I have been
told different things by different people and people who are
are plugged in. I've been told that the money will
not be an issue. If it's time to do this,
they will make sure that. I mean they they because
in some ways it's just more costly to stick with

(24:24):
something that isn't working. I've heard from other people that
money is a real concern here.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
And so.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Again I don't. I don't know what's what exactly, uh,
And I don't. I do not think he's going to
be back though, I do not. I think they will
figure out a way to get this done. But it's
not a great situation over there. They're not, you know,
they're not. This is still a big ten university revenue wise,
can bring in a lot more. They have a lot
of things going for them. But it's not like times

(24:54):
are great. Look at the universities at large, look at
the jobs that are being cut and the things that
are being cut in the plans for cuts next year.
Athletics has to do this on its own. Because of that,
you cannot have just from an optic standpoint, The university
can't pitch in here. This has to be an athletics thing.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Do you think they have izzo like ask like magic
or some of the guys like I imagine asking magic,
like what do you you have to ask him? Right,
an ilse Well, I think by this point you know
what magic is. Magic is not He's going to promise
a side, but you know what I mean, like, come on, seriously,
is Iszzo talking to Magic?

Speaker 5 (25:26):
My understanding of magic? And this is Magic's gift MSHU.
And he's given a little bit of money here and there,
but like his gift, his gift will always be his time.
And that's not nothing like for for a lot of
years and a lot of sports, Magic's affiliation with MSU,
his willingness to talk to any team, to come in
and stand in any function, to speak to donors, to
do whatever to be to be magic. Because Magic's personality

(25:47):
is sort of the opposite of Jonathan Smith, right, I mean,
there is value in his personality Magic Magic will similarity,
Magic gives his time a ton and cares a ton.
He is not somebody who is going to throw good
money over over an il over running back or over
a Juco offensive tackle. And you know what, to his credit,
he is smarter than that. I mean, frankly, it's none

(26:08):
of this stuff makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Chris. My biggest concern I had with MSU football at
the moment is the apparent lack of nil funding because
from my eyes, the issue is more player skill than coaching.
Do you feel paid? Do you feel paying Smith's buy
out and hiring a new coach will resolve this? Is
it solely the main donors dislike Smith or is there more? Well?

Speaker 5 (26:29):
I mean, you can look at their their the top
ms U guys from you know obviously Greg Williams and
Ishbia st Andre. You look at how do you always
forget my boy Dan Gilbert? You can look at a
lot of the you know, and Gilbert is not somebody
who's given a lot lately, but at times he's given money.

(26:50):
You know, there is they have the money. It's not
like there isn't money, it's it's the will. And then
there's a lot of next tier donors. There are a
lot of people who are in a sphere that if
collectively can can come up with a decent amount of money.
One thing, it is not sexy. It is not sexy
to hey man, we need you for the buyout. That's
you know, like, what does that look like. That's not
a fun That's not a fun thing to give to.

(27:13):
But I do think, I mean, the problem has been
there's not a lot of energy in the donor base.
But that's not just the main guys, that's everywhere and
and I think that's being worked on with a promise
of a better future. But that's not an easy thing
to do. And yeah, I understand the lack of I mean,
the lack of finances available for that roster should be

(27:37):
a concern beyond smith.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Is oo for pres next, we'll schools try to limit
buyouts going forward. Well, coaches demand more favorable buyout language
and more guaranteed money.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
It's gonna be interesting where this goes. You get some
wild stuff. Look like you got the Louisiana governor coming
out saying the ad is not going to make the
next hired LSU because of the last two buyouts he's
done to jimbo Fisher and Brian Kelly at the school
he's been at.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Like this is not you know, isn't that guy an
idiot or something?

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well, it's not. He's not helping LSU. Let's put it
that way. It doesn't make LSU more appealing when it's like,
oh good, the governor's involved in this now, and then
the political whims of all this, it's not helpful. And
but so beyond that, like I don't know where the
leverage is going to be. I don't know where it's
going to go. I think for the time being, there
will still be big buyouts and there will still be
big salaries. I don't think it's going to look that

(28:25):
much difference because at least for the top coaches, because
they've got leverage, and.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Like which one which coaches have leverage right now, Like
Brian Kelly doesn't have any leverage like Brian Kelly's if
he came to me and said, oh, you need this
buyo or is Jimmy Sexton whoever his agent is, Like
I just think a lot of these universities need to
put their foot down and like we're not going to
do this going forward. Well so, and and it's on
the long contrast, it's on LSU to do it.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
It's on Penn State to do it. It's on Ohio
State to do it. It's on Michigan to do it,
it's on Alabama to do it. And I'll tell you why,
because those are places where they'll still get a great
coach and I'm and they can still pay them a
lot of money in the show term without a buyout,
and they it can work there if you're at a
school like MSU right now and you make that statement, now,
maybe you're able to do it by finding a diamond

(29:09):
in the rough. But if you make that statement intentionally,
all you do is get a lesser candidate most likely,
and you lose football games and nobody gives a shit.
If you make that statement at a big place like
that's that's where you can be a little more responsible
and still get a great coach. I think if they
want to do that, I just at some point we'll
see it. Like you know, if the economy changes, if

(29:31):
donor fatigue I think is real. Like if I don't
know that all the money that's out there for all
this stuff right now is always going to be there,
I don't. But in the short term I don't see
this changing, at least with the top guys.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Dan Gray, Just to be clear, football programs need to
find the next great coach while they're at Elon or
other small programs. But hiring a position coach is too
big of a jump.

Speaker 5 (29:54):
Well, it's different. I would rather have a smaller program
coach who's run an organization, who's done that success fully
than a position coach. I think that's a better a
skill set to project onto generally speaking, but if you
get the right guy, I don't you know. I'm not
saying it can't work. And this is why you have
to be a great interviewer. This is why you got

(30:15):
to know what you're looking at in front of you.
This is why you got to tell search firms you
can only play so much of a role here. This
is why you got to trust yourself. That's why you
get paid money. I just think, generally speaking, though, yes,
you're more likely to get a person with a skill
set and experience in leadership qualities than you would from
a position coach. But if the position coach you're talking

(30:36):
about is Max Bulla and who's only been a GA
and now is a linebacker's coach, but happens to be
ready and you believe it, then make that, put your
name behind it, and do it. And if it doesn't work,
you can get novation ten years from now with Alan
Haller when you're a citizen too.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Dan was Jonathan Smith promised things he didn't get? Example
nil funds. I don't promised? Is well?

Speaker 5 (31:00):
I don't want to say promise because I don't know
if he was promised. I don't believe he had the
money he thought he was going to have for this
last roster even and I just don't.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And I so Haller told him, said it something before
he took the position, and then when he took the position.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
Well, I think even once he got the position, you know,
this was an ongoing thing from this you're talking about
December twenty twenty three and moving forward in that first year,
you know, and then a year and a half later,
I think, or a year later.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So I I.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Think they thought they'd be in a better spot. I mean,
Haller sort of put the the bar on himself or
what they had to do. He said, you know that
they needed to be a top six program in an
eighteen team big ten, like that's what they should be.
And financially what that means is different than what they've
been able to produce so far.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
All Right, Dan, can we stop bragging about NIL rankings
and athletic department rankings. There's no way to know the
true numbers unless reported correctly.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah, that's fair, and it's also not smart. The rank
over bad business decisions. To brag over bad business decisions.
Giving the NIL is not something to brag about. It's
a bad financial decision. In most cases, it does not
speak well of your intelligence. If you're laying off your
workers in another sector and you're giving five million for
a running back, just f you like, you know, like

(32:17):
if you've got everything lined up and you're able to
prevent hunger in your own community, you're able to take
care of charities you want to, you're able to pay
your business as it should be, you're able to grow
the world, and you have leftover money that you want
to spend disposable income LSJ. I would love it if
you you know, I don't have any money disposable income

(32:40):
on a running back or a juco offensive tackle, then
go ahead and do it. Otherwise, screw you. Don't brag
about it. Doesn't mean you're good. You're just not a
good person. People should do what they want with their
money to some extent, but there are a lot of
better things to do than anil. That's part of my
problem with this whole thing is I just you know,
I mean, make sure the children first. Yeah, I want
a football second, children first, A lot of things first,

(33:02):
I just Adam Blond, why can't we get transparency with
the MSU athletic program and how money how much money
is being used with nil outside of some of the
bonehead decisions by Smith, we can totally blame him for
lack of talent on the team he has to work with.
If the money is an issue, can we well, that's

(33:25):
a it's a fair question. Part of it's because it's,
you know, private money. But we should be able to
see certain things through Foy and and and and hopefully
we can start to do that a little bit better
than we have been. And and now that there's revshare
and what money is going towards that and nobody is
saying that, and maybe we get to a point where

(33:46):
you have to see individual contracts with players. These are
these are public universities, right, but certainly you should be
able to see what's been allocated for a roster for
players that that shouldn't be something that's that's hit out there.
It should be it should be in plain sight.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Ken Chew, do you think Izzo gave Magic a talking
to after his tweet tweet which one the one that
was way out of character about the the about the
football coach. Oh, I didn't see that one. I just
thought it was like, whoever takes wins Game five of
the World Series is gonna take in character. He basically said, Okay,
hold on, let me give you wait. Magic actually had

(34:26):
a real did someone hack his account? I don't think
it's Matt c hack is a Magic's account. I am
the pass. I'm not coming about Michigan, all right, he said.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
It's it's been hard for me to cheer for my
Michigan State football team. They're own five in the Big Ten.
The offense is lacking imagination, and the team overall looks uninspired.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
All right, then, how is Smith still the coach? I
mean that should just be right there. I mean, what
else do you need to hear? I mean Magic is
going off script tweeting stuff about that.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Oh man, if it's a moment of weakness or he's
drinking or something, I'm gonna call about a check for
the lanting promise because I think there's there's an opportunity to.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Hear it was. It was out of character.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
It was surprising it did not because I mean, right
after that, it's like it's two to two, the winner
of Game five will have the advantage in the World Series.
It's like, thank you, Magic, and you don want to
be a beautiful day on a yacht, and we all
appreciate Magic for knowing what we know. This Magic is
true to himself. You know, Magic's actual personality is it's.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
A terrible bit. Like someone has to tell him. The
Twitter thing is a terrible bit, right, Like can Cookie
tell him? Or maybe Iso could tell him? Right? Wouldn't
you want someone if you were tweeting that way? Wouldn't
you want someone to tell you? Like Graham, Dude, seriously,
why are you tweeting like that? I don't know? Is
it his bit? It's I mean, it's not a good bit.
It's not funny. It's really just it's become funny because

(35:48):
it's une funny. Yeah, but we're laughing at him, not
with him. You're right, Like it's just kind of I mean,
he's a legend. Like I don't want to laugh at
a legend. I mean, it's yeah, losing his mind, David P.
With many of MSU's billionaire being tied up in pro
sports teams, do we know what they're allowed to contribute to? Nil?
Can is shud be a give to the football team
but not hoops? Can they all buy a library so

(36:11):
internal funds can be reallocated to athletics or can they
not give it all? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
No, this is sort of like what they do with
Texas and Texas school bonds and millages. When they want
something in Texas, like say you need to do library
for a Texas school district. They also attached something with
a football program to the bond on the ballot and
it passed every time.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That's smart. You know that in Texas.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
I heard once at one point in certain districts there
were rules where you could no longer pay the football
coach more than the superintendent. They said, you know, this
is a little out of hand. These guys are not
their full time. Football coaches don't really work that much,
and they're paying them two hundred k year. We should
pay the superintendent more. So what they did is rather
than lower football coaches salaries, they just up to all
the superintendents.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
You know what I mean. They down there the data
to be a superintendent. Yeah, down there. They do not
care about CTE.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
They would you know ct You could have all the
research in the world and you want in Texas, mothers
be like, my child will have CTE. They're playing football, spark,
it's what they're But oh so the question though, sorry,
this is a rough start for mere I apologize. The
question is whether the pro sports owners can give, and

(37:26):
they can and and some of this changed, I believe
with the House settlement in terms of how they get.
I mean, they could always donate to the university. Whether
it was direct for like an nil collective was something
that previously that was was tricky. But I yeah, I
believe so. And it's really a question of will and
and and how they want, you know, what they want

(37:46):
to do. But this is this is Revsha. You can
give to the athletic department, which then shares the money,
you know, and can they give directly through some sort
of NIL deal. I it'll be interesting. I don't know
if like Ishbia can take the men's basketball team and
just pay for them, but you're not supposed to be
doing that anymore anyway. So I believe that I believe
they can give Sparty Barb.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Was it the right move for the Lions to sign
Hutchinson to a four year, guaranteed, one hundred and forty
one million dollar deal. He's a good player, with the
short sighted contracts always come back to hurt Detroit. This
Lion's pass rush is average, and a contract like this
so they're not going to invest in upgrading the defense.
Sparty Barb, what are you talking about here? What are
we talking Sparti Barb, it's a great deal. You just

(38:29):
don't like Hutchinson because you're Sparty Barb and he's a
Michigan guy. No, I think there's a more short deal,
and it's it's below the average for a defensive end.
It's higher in the guaranteed aspect. But a guy like
hutch and the numbers that he's putting up and he's unbelievable.
And if we can get someone before the trade deadline,
because his cap hit next year is only for ten millions,
so it looks like Brad Holmes is making a move.

(38:51):
So if we get another defensive end and shut down
the opposing team's offense, I could give a shit about
the one hundred and forty one million. He's a player,
he deserves it, So I don't see any problem.

Speaker 5 (39:01):
With I think Holmes is done a nice job of
locking people up in this sort of I mean, he's
got money coming forward. You know, some of these guys
are getting paid down the road. It looks like they're
getting paid now, but they're still making their rookie money.
So that helps the window now and I think you'll
see some restructured deals. I think you may see Jared
Goff have a restructured deal and you see that with
quarterbacks all the time to.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Help Yaba, Gita Jared.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Doesn't mean Gof's giving up money. It means they'll restructure
it to help them, you know, stay competitive. I think
you'll start to see that and there will be hard decisions,
but they've drafted well and you got to keep these
guys and I don't know, I will there be spots
going forward that where you're a little thinner, Yeah, but
that's why you got to keep drafting well because you
do have to win with with young players at some positions.

(39:46):
And eventually the hope is, you know that you pay
them when they're ready.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
The idea is this is sort of a circle of
like it is, he'll be Jerry Jones. Get the guy
that you draft that don't want to pay him when
it comes time to pay up. Insanity. But you do
have to be shrewd. I mean, there will be.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Some tough decisions here and there that won't we'll have
to it'll suck, but overall, they've done it. I think
they've done a pretty good job and at that position, Like,
what are your other options? I mean you could, It's
not like you can not pay him and let them
walk eventually, and then what do you do there?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Like he just makes it. Yeah, he makes such an impact.
Sparti buyer, based on reports from the Yukon game, do
you see the possibility of Jordan Scott playing both the
two and the three position this season? For the both
of you and Jason all Right, there's three of us
on a scale of one to ten, what is MSU
football's chance of winning three of the next four games
to earn a bowl? Bit? Sorry, they should have been

(40:38):
two separate things. I just I apologize.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
We'll start with the Yukon game and we're gonna get
into some hoops here in a minute.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I do think.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
I think Jordan Scott will play both positions in an
MSU's offense. They're very similar. So one of the things
players struggle with is when they're gonna play the three
and the four and they're gonna play small ford and
power forward. They're very different and they're complex to learn.
And that's one of the reasons you didn't see Cohen
Carr as a freshman playing the power forward position when
that might have helped him, because it was just it

(41:08):
was too much. The two and the three are interchangeable
in a lot of ways, and so I think you
will you will see that ms hu's chances one to
ten of winning winning three to the next four games
during a bowl, But I would I would put it
at a somewhere like a one point five, maybe a
one point five. I do hear your voice in my

(41:29):
head when I take a ten? Yeah, well do you
put it lower than that?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Ah? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:33):
One?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Okay, zero one zero. I don't against the spread, sure
point spread game.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah. A big part of it is what you think
they can do this week because the reason comes down
to this week in a lot of ways. I don't
think Minnesota is that good. But you know, they're five
and three, they're five and oh home, they're they're okay. Uh,
they've got a running back injury, that's a little little
concerning quarterback through three picks last week in much better
defense than MSU will be. But if they were able

(41:58):
to win at Minnesota, that means they haven't quit. That
means they've got a little something to them. They have
a bye week You've got this Penn State team that'll
be off. Yeah, this Penn State team, I'm just saying,
you got talking about benching Aiden Chiles is starting a lessio.
I'm telling you you have a Penn State team that's
like just talking about winning games. Penn State team will
be coming off what playing Indiana and Ohio State and

(42:20):
then is lost everything, and so the question is then
bulk game. I'm talking one and a half out of ten.
I'm saying what gets me to the half is you're
basically looking at the Minnesota game whether something is a possibility.
I'm picking them to lose to Minnesota. I picked them
to lose twenty six to seventeen. I do not think
they're winning this game. But if they were to beat Minnesota,
the conversation about whether they can beat Penn State and

(42:41):
Maryland because they can't beat Iowa on the road, it
becomes becomes a little more realistic. And that's why one
point five instead of one. I can't wait to not
talk about this team. It's gonna be great. Let's just
move on the Cosset.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
What is this work? Cosette Southern Maine. That's why I
don't know. And Graham knows things can't he can't report,
So I believe he is right about Smith, the one
national guy I trust. Regarding coaching vacancies. Chris Vanini said
he heard Smith might return. I didn't see that from Vanini.
Get him on the show. Yeah, I don't at Uh
what was he talking about? Is that true? Is that possible?

Speaker 3 (43:17):
No?

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Come on, yeah, it just it just doesn't seem doesn't
seem doesn't seem likely right now? Ah, the cosette of
Southern Maine, are we okay with Dan Mullen or Jason
Kandle Since MSc will be the tenth best job available
this cycle, you don't. You don't have to settle for
the Toledo coach just because you know you might be
the tenth pest job available. You go find somebody who's

(43:40):
you know, and again you compete. You go out there
and you compete. Why you're not the tenth pest job.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
You know.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
I'm not saying you're a better job than LSU, but
you say, hey, people meddle up here. We've got our
own issues, but look what they've got down there.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
That shit.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
They've got the governor involved, you know, and like, what
do you want? Do you do you really want. This
is total lack of stability.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
They've yeah couching the room head the government that the
governor is Dan Mullen Jonathan Smith with a personality I
don't know. I mean, I mean like you couldn't imagine
a worse higher than Dan, Like announcing Dan Mullen. Oh man,
that would be brutal.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
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(44:37):
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Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's a look it. I'll get into their Halloween donuts later,
but some of the stuff they have there, it is
just Halloween. Yeah, it's it's.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
It's the difference between like a I don't want to
put quality dairy down, but I'm going to. But I'm
going to because the difference between like a quality dairy
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Speaker 1 (45:05):
It's it's. It's the difference between a four and eight
football season and twelve and oero. They're made with love
at Groovy Donuts. David Jackson, MSU hockey has a bye
with number one MSU hosting number four Penn State on
November seventh and eighth. Is the Big Ten going to
be so stupid as to not televise both games? And
what does it say that all six real Big Ten

(45:26):
schools are ranked in the top twenty and the historically
best program of the bunch is last? All right, so
hold on for a second, give me, give me, give
me one seconds. I see the stars going out of
the sky. Yeah, the bride and Hollow scot you know,
all right?

Speaker 3 (45:46):
So good?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, I don't know what is the TV schedule with this?
I don't even know. It's not even list of here.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Look, the Big
Ten does a really shitty job with college hockey. They do,
and that's the part of the reason is that they
have just discovered that the ratings generally don't do that well.
That said, like this is Gavin McKenna versus an MSU
hockey team that's at the top of the rankings that has,

(46:16):
you know, fifteen NHL traffics, Like this is a people
want to watch this, people would watch this. I don't.
I don't get it. I'm sure there's a preseason wrestling
meet in Iowan. They've got a televised or you know,
volleyball game in Nova Scotia. But I'm telling you this
is that they don't do it well.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
As David Jackson, did you know that a search on
YouTube will show how to watch the basketball game MSU
had against Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
You can learn anything on YouTube. You can you can
like do the electricity in your house. You can do
all the outlets that my wife does.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Oh she does.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
She is she based on videos. She learned how to
like all our outlets that we replaced. She does it
for the most part, which is we have a rule.
I have to stand by you know, near near is
if something goes wrong, I gotta be able to call
nine one one, but that's here on phone duty. Yeah,
I don't have many duties otherwise. I mean, like, can
I can't change now number one? I would kill myself.
I wouldn't try, but yeah, I don't have it. We'll

(47:11):
watch the YouTube video apparently, and what is David talking about?
Like the search will will show you the game or
show you how you should have downloaded Yukon.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Plus, I'm not sure if like the ABB David like what?
All right, David, let's be serious here. Isn't it time
to emotionally let go of Schooble, whether he's traded before
the season, at the deadline, or just lost after the
season because we're riding him open for a World Series.
He's gone and there's no chance he'll be in the
d in twenty twenty seven. Agreed? I agree, David.

Speaker 5 (47:43):
Better chance that Michigan State's in a bowl game or
school ball is a Tiger in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Who's the coach Bowl game this year? Oh? This year? Yeah?
Oh Scooball, he's gonna retire Tiger. There's a better chance
of that, I think so, Yeah, No, I just that
game five still us ass the wrong way of how
he was like excited to come out or just I don't,
I just I've I've turned the corner on Schooble where

(48:09):
I was, you know, at the beginning of the season,
mid of the season, I'm like pay this MF or
what are we doing? And now I've just resigned myselfself
to the fact that like, all right, he's gonna be
gone and hopefully we can win a World Series before
he gets the hell out of here because I don't
want to sign him to a four hundred and some
million dollar contract for over ten years. I don't blame
as as much as it pains me to say this,
I don't blame old pizza boy there for not wanting

(48:30):
to pay that long term kind of deal. So, yeah,
I get what you're saying, David. Yeah, I'm and it sucks.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
The Boris thing sucks because these guys don't actually control
it just goes to the highest bidder. So it's not
even like, hey, i'd rather I mean that, But.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
He hasn't even like has schoobl really shown like kind
of like a Matt Stafford kind of thing of like
he wants to be here, like Stafford always showed he'd
liked to be here, even if he was lying and
didn't really care and want to be here. He did.
He showed that, and I just don't see a lot
of that from school ball and and the pitch, you know,
the pitch counts. It's just annoying to me. Next year,
if i'm if i'm I'm not stupid, I'm gonna miss

(49:06):
the dude because he's unbelievable and I'm gonna enjoy him
while he's here, I guess. But if they don't, if
they don't trade him this offseason, which I think could happen,
but if they don't next year. He pitches every five days. No,
none of that six day stuff. Oh there's if there's
a day off in between, then one of some other
pitcher falls out of rotation. He goes seven, eight innings.
He got Yamamoto pitching complete game. You just keep him going.
You're not gonna have him anyone who cares what his
arm looks like. You don't.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
You can't make it so obvious. He can't go like
every four games in nine innings, so it's like we're
actually trying to get his arm to fall off. But
reasonable seven innings every five days, uh Is, I would
just without question. I mean, I'd have two relievers ready
to go on those days that he was pitching. Everybody
else stays home.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
But does Scott Boris have a number into the clubhouse
there to tell Hinch? What are you doing? Get him
out of there? Somebody needs to freaking throw punch Boris? Wow? Sorry,
I just don't. I don't like. I don't like. I
don't like. He looked through you. He did not. I
don't know the man, but I don't like him. David Jackson,
how likely is an Iowa hangover to significantly affect Minnesota's
performance against the Spartans on Saturday? Would you be surprised

(50:05):
if Michigan State beats Minnesota on Saturday? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (50:10):
I mean I do think the mindset of Minnesota is
a little interesting here. I suspect there'll be more ornery,
like everything went wrong that could. It wasn't one of
these games where it was like, boy, they just got
overwhelmed initially, like the return game, everything went wrong and
they were outperformed.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
I was good too.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
That's the other thing that I think we think of
Iowa a certain way, and we ought to think of
this team a little bit differently. It's not gonna go
well for Michigan State and Iowa City.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Is ROSSI gonna be on the field, he is nice.

Speaker 5 (50:35):
Yeah, so they're gonna lean into every edge they have,
and I think that does help with the defense in
terms of being dialed in and accountable right there, And
it's probably something they should have figured out earlier.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Craig Dodger. Dodger next, how essential do you think it
is that the next head coach really understands the rivalry.
Someone with history at MSU or Ohio State heartline would
be a great option in my opinion. I mean understand that.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
I mean they don't have to have been in the
rivalry because that that limits you to a lums and
people of coach there and things like that. They don't
have to ben in the nation state rivalry. Yeah, mean,
people want that, they want that understanding of it, but
it's got to be somebody who gets it pretty quick
and or who's seen it from nearby probably, you know.
I think part of the problem with with Jonathan Smith

(51:21):
is and I don't think Haller saw this either, is
it nobody expected him to totally know the Michigan Michigan
State rivalry, but he seemed a little too removed from
it at the beginning, and and sort of figuring that out.
If you're a coach, one of the first things you
need to do when you're a coach is figure out
who the power plays on campus, shake their hand, make
sure they like you. Figure out who the rivals are,

(51:42):
what makes the fan base tick, and meet them there.
That's that's the stuff you got to do. Because if
you do that, if the people who have power on
campus or power on donors like you and the fan
base things, you're with them in the foxhole, they'll put
up with some shit while you try and get it together.
If John and Smith was able to do those two things,
you know this three and five season people wouldn't think

(52:03):
was promising, but they wouldn't be all out the way
they are.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Troy Hunter next watch Bobby Chesney coach James Madison last
night is energetic and fiery and has one at lower levels.
Like Signetti. He's from Pennsylvania but likely will be overlooked
by penn State. Jay Batt make the call.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
You make all the calls, but you interview all these
guys none of us know. I mean just because somebody
looks energetic. I mean, Joe Rossi's a cult hero right now.
I mean the guy is a guy who showed some energy.
He's on the sidelines, like I could do that shit.
Everything you liked about Joe Rossi. I mean the defense
played a little better. But outside of that, any one
of us could do leaping around celebrating. That's just natural
human emotion, you know, like Chad Latts could be on

(52:44):
the sidelines and look fired up, and everybody like always.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Out there, play hard, stick your cleaves so far up
their asses that they've got to use to cleans to
brush your teeth with. Damn, you're right, good point.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
It speaks to the desperation for people to for Nathan
Smith to step out of character and show emotion that
like anything looks great, but you got to do deeper
dives and all this stuff you want. Max Bulla, maybe
he's ready. The odds are a thirty three year old
linebacker coach is not.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Now.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
Bulla may be different until you you would do that
interview and you would do your due diligence on him.
You know, the coach at a lot there there are
coaches at mid majors out there who would do it well.
Figuring out who they are is more than like man
that guy look good on the side. Now how they've
won and their demeanor, that could be part of it, certainly.

(53:33):
But this is this is where, this is where you
earn your money, and this is where Alan Haller thought
he was making the right move and I thought it
was a good hire at the time. This is where
Jay batt will will earn his money and his legacy
will be made. And you know, if you don't get
it right, you've got you know some of the stuff
that Matt c will say about Alan Haller a little
later on this show.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Jared, does Michigan State basketball look bigger and more athletic
compared to last year during their matchup against Yuka. It's
means the portal and freshman ads means we should match
up better and be match up better to more teams.

Speaker 5 (54:08):
I think there's some length that I like with MSU
long term that they lacked. Certainly when you look at
the Jordan Scott and cam Ward, those are guys who
look the part size wise. You know, I still think
they're not the biggest team at the five, which is
you know, can hurt you a little bit. But on

(54:28):
the wings, I think they've done a good job of
improving their size. And again, this is one exhibition and
there are some areas where they don't measure up right
now to Yukon has just got a couple better players.
But the real question is do they have enough skill
on the win and guys who can really create for them?
And that's that's I think a bigger question.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
John Noddy next, how much different does MSU's exhibition against
the Yukon look had there guys been allowed to foul
out on the fifth file? Didn't one of their main
dudes get his fifth with over ten minutes left?

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Well, so the file of this discussion I always you know,
I want six files in college basketball before you fill out.
This game was one of those games that you think, man,
I don't know about it was so many fouls and
I did like that at one point Jackson Kohler had
his second file about five minutes ago in the first half,
and then you just leave me in right. I think
part of the problem is, and this happening in the

(55:23):
NBA right now, it's happening in college basketball. There's certain
things that officials have been asked to emphasize, and I
hate when people step in and do this, get the
physicality out of the game. I thought last season was
a really good season in college basketball. There's no need
to meddle whoever is doing this, don't meddle, sit down
and let you know. Let the games happen. Because college
basketball is a niche sport. It will not take much
to freaking kick college basketball out of the conscious of

(55:46):
many people. And if you have these shitty foul free
throw fest it'll get there pretty quickly, so stop it.
But I do think the best thing other than I
still think six files would work. But the best thing
I like is the idea of having one guy and
go to six files. And you don't have to predetermine that.
But if you have a shitty player who gets to
the four files or it gets to five, you can

(56:06):
follow him out and say, you know, I'd rather save
it for somebody better on the floor. But it would
allow you, in circumstances where you do have a star
pick up a second foul ten minutes to go until halftime,
to play with less fear for that person situation, knowing
that if you need it, there's one player who can
get to six files. I think that's probably the best
way to go about to go about things.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Next one from John Am. I the only one who
noticed during your interview that the governor seemed to be
jealous because she wasn't also wearing a Muskox.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Should have given her one, but she did. I mean,
I think she was looking at me, you know, looking
at the Muskos more than me. I would look at
it if I was a guy gonna sweat himself to
death here. Now what's going on across the way. It
was a hot day here, like I will be honest,
But I wasn't that. But I was worried about that
because I'm gonna wear the Muskox flannel. It's like eighty
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with it. But I'll be honest, little sweat on the
upper lip, But it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
I was.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
You know. That's because a Musko's flannel does not overwhelm you.
It does not.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Everybody has that shirt. You put it on and it
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Speaker 1 (57:15):
Next one from John, how long before is o hire's
Tom Tum? Well, you'd have to have an open How
long we talk in here? Yeah? And how long is
those going to coach till he's like one hundred? How
long is he? Yeah? Right? I don't know.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
I like hearing that, but like, yeah, it's one of
those things Zoe says, and I'm not saying he doesn't
mean it. And I do think that there's a really
good chance if in win Izzo has another opening, that
Tom Tum's the higher but he'd have to have an opening.
But I think he thinks Tom Tum's probably got the
seasoning now that's needed versus a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Ago, Alex Mayor now that you've seen two exhibition games,
who will be the leading scorer and rebounder this year?

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Leading rebounder will be, without question, Jackson Cohler. I mean,
he's just their most physical, best rebound that that's I
don't think any doubt. Leading score is a real question though,
it's a real interesting question. It's it's part of the
issue with this team. As they go forward and figuring
out dynamics because I do think it'll be very much
a you know, a spread out score sheet. But I

(58:15):
don't know, I you know, is it Cohen Carr? Is
he going to play with the certain types of hustle
and veracity and and and where his point total averages
in the fifteen range?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
It's a good question. Does Kohler become that? Do they
get him more touches? He only had five shots one
of five. He was good at the free throw line.
He was good physically in the second half, but like
they need to get him more involved. Is it fears?
I don't know that that's best for MSU off its fears.
But if he lives at the line, you know, and
he might be in the loaw to mid teens maybe,
but I think there will be a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
And so is that enough? And do they have enough
of those guys? We'll have to see, Alex Mayor. Halloween
is a top blank holiday? Three? Five or ten? Or
do you put Halloween? There's ten holidays? Hugh, Well, not anymore.
I mean we're older now, but when you were a kid,
it was awesome, Like it was the top three top

(59:08):
two after Christmas, right, you get to get candy. Now
you're an adult, we don't go trick or treat or
go you know, now that I'm forty six, you don't
go to any fun Halloween parties anymore. So it's just like,
it's like, is it better than Fourth of July? Yes?
For me? I still I used to love Fourth of
July too, before the fireworks actively, no, I quit drinking,

(59:29):
and you know, our dogs started getting sensitive to that
kind of shit, so we just But.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
The last Fourth of July you really celebrated was the
one where you almost shot a fire rocket or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
It was where he and I were first started dating,
and we went over to her co worker's house, and yes,
one did fire off as I was bending over, and
it did go over some kids' heads, and we had
to put all the fireworks away, and the guy that
owned her coworker was like, all right, that's it, thank you.
I was like, all right, I mean he didn't kick
me out of his house, but he's just like, can

(59:58):
you put all those fireworks back in to your trunk?
I'd appreciate it.

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How you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
What's up? God?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
A little too little, too close for comfort, Graham, But
we still got the W.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
We got the W.

Speaker 5 (01:05:13):
That's all that matters. Close for comfort is not a loss,
you know. That's there's no regrets with close right the uh? Well,
excited to have you on. You've got some some some
good best bets this week, and we've got some games
that that I'm excited about. Let's let's start here. M
s U plus three Jason's side at Minnesota. We're gonna

(01:05:37):
go with the plus three number. I I like Minnesota.
Here for people, I just I the evidence. I'm not
saying Michigan Sate won't be competitive. The evidence speaks to
something going wrong on the road from Michigan State at
some point, or just not being able to protect the
quarterback or something. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm not
saying I would put your mother's house on it. But

(01:05:58):
three inside at three, it keeps going back and forth.
Three in hook to three. You get that at three especially,
I probably wouldn't be scared about someboy somebody three in hook.
I like Minnesota a lot right here, Jason Ware, you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Should we just say from the jump though, that there's
no way you should be gambling on this game? Should
we say that? Sponsored by one eight hundred gambler? But anyway, Harry,
for this little contest here, how can I go against
the point spread? King Jonathan Smith? This guy's on fire.
Give me MSU plus the points. What do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, you know what. I'm gonna take MSHOE as well.
And on a five game losing streak, I think they
might snap this. I'd lost two in a row to Minnesota.
But this seems a little low here, Michigan State. You
know they've had some backdoor coverage here so far the season.
Last week against Michigan against Nebraska again, I just think

(01:06:48):
this seems a little low because you know, Minnesota went
in and took care of Nebraska pretty easily. I know
they got rolled by Iowa. That was part of my
teaser last week taking Iowa. Loved that game against Minnesota. Again,
Michigan State. I think they snapped this losing streak. I'm
gonna take the plus three and I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:05):
Think they went straight up all right, Well went straight
up too, So a little sprink on the money line
is what you're saying. A little sprink on the money line,
all right. Well, there's a lot of faith in MSU.
Say's the guy that covers the team over here. Come on,
be positive. Purdue plus twenty one and a half at Michigan.

(01:07:27):
It's a big number for a Michigan team that has
some limitations offensively. Purdue is not awful. They're not good,
but they're not like I mean, we've seen awful Purdue.
It's a really big number.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
To me.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
It's a stay away because I think there's a gap.
I think Michigan defensively has really found something that I
don't know that Purdue is gonna be able to produce
much offense here, so I can see a result it's like,
you know, thirty to seven or something like that. But
I'm gonna take Purdue here. I think twenty one in
a hook is just a little too much for a
Michigan team coming off a rivalry that's got bigger games ahead,

(01:07:58):
that'll get the job done. But they done a lot
of this getting the job done without covering stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
You know. Twenty one a half to me is a
little too big. Jason ware, you this game another one
that stinks? Why are you putting these on here?

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Purdue twenty a right, Harry? I just I hate this
game too, because last time I laid some lumber with
Michigan was against Wisconsin. That was seventeen and they didn't cover.
I don't I mean, I think Purdue is absolute garbage.
But I twenty one in a hook, that stupid number.
Maybe it is the hook, maybe it's the twenty one.
I don't know. I don't like it. Give me perdue.
I'm not happy about it, but give me Purdue taking

(01:08:31):
the points what you got here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, I'm not happy about it either, But I agree
with Rue Graham, You're right. Like this Michigan team. They
get it done, but doesn't look pretty all the time,
and they don't win big. Purdue has lost six in
a row, but only one of them against Notre Dame,
was by more than twenty one. Michigan in their last

(01:08:53):
fourteen conference games, they've won one game, one game by
more than twenty one. I'll take the twenty one of
the hook.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Uh yeah, no, it's it's it's just a lot. It's
it's again. I would stay away from that one last
sleep from the.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Game that they got killed for that they still scored,
still scored thirty that game, but they still scored thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
That's a good point. Yeah, I just don't.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
I don't think Michigan is the type of team offensively
that can that easily sort of covers with margin and
and so you're you're gonna be sweating it out most
weeks if you've got a big margin to to get there.
And I don't think that's a lot of fun. All Right,
last college game this weekend. The biggest rivalry in the
state that forever has been more uh you know, not
lopsided CMU plus four and a half at Western Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Why is this game on? Happily because it's Western Central.
It's a huge fucking rival No half far on the
newly Or Harry had to look up shit about this game.
Guy bets on Chinese tennis, But dude, this game stinks.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
New lyon Newly on CMU. Uh sorry newly on probation
CMU h plus four and a half at Western. I
like CMU a little bit here to cover this. Western
has been a lot better. They're a better team than
than than people saw against Michigan State. I think that

(01:10:14):
would be an interesting game of played to David. CMU
is pretty good too. Both these teams are near the
top of the league. Western just lost to Miami Ohio
is probably gonna win the league last week. But give
me give me Central here uh and uh, even with
the even with the probation and the show cause for
their former coaches and all that stuff. Plus four and
a half. I like it a little bit. Where are you, Jason,
I'm at nowhere? Fuck CMU.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
They should have gotten the death well, they kind of
did get the death penalty for a MAX school. Knocking
them thirty k is get definitely the death penalty for them.
I could give a shit about this game. Give me Western.
I hope they've run them off the field. Give me
Western this stupid game. What do you hear?

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
I'm with you, Jay, I did look a lot of
stuff up there. I was curious after I saw this.
They we're going to cover this. I was very curious
considering both teams are four and one in their last five.
But I'm gonna thank them. Broncos quarterback Brock Lowry, it's
just one pick this season, leads the team in rushing,
gets five yards of carry, seven rushing touchdown. Defensively, I'll
say this though pretty impressive. This team has twenty eight sacks.

(01:11:13):
They forced eleven turnovers. It's guy Na Dome Tucker came
out of nowhere, played two years, didn't even barely play.
He's got eight and a half sacks this year. Give
me the Broncos and I'll lay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
The four and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
Yeah, and Brock Lowry is too, is you know he
did it was not the starter at the beginning of
the season, not the guy that played at Michigan State.
They sort of found something better with him. And it's
you know, at the four and a half, and I
think this is a pick him game in Westerns at home.
But four and a half seems a little high for me.
But this this a bet could go either way. No,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be it. I don't

(01:11:46):
feel glad that we had to talk about it for
four and a half minute. Man that's the sort of
just the big school snobbery.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I can't stand. I hope the big ten Dona bloody
awful day. It's not even about being a big snob school.
It's about asking Harry to come on. And then it's like, Harry,
you gotta do a little homework. And then Matt game
because Grants think it's the game just because he wants
to use the lines. It's the it's the game of
the in Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
He's got at least double digit, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Come on, let's make this fun. Harry's he's been putting
out some parlays when you've been gone, Harry, they had
been just unbelievable that the nine nine leg parlays that
are minus one seventy. Oh, I got one for you today,
ship nine hours long. It's good minus one seventy And
he's putting these ship games in here. Can we have
some fun? All right?

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Well, let's go to the NFL. These are teams you
might have heard of. Yeah, and snob here we go
Vikings plus nine lions. Yeah, all right, this is a
big number. And it's in Detroit and and uh the Vikings.
Now going back to J. J. McCarthy at quarterback because
there are other guys just out. But and it would

(01:12:49):
have been interesting if that hadn't that injury hadn't happened.
Nine is a huge number here. The Lions, unlike Michigan Football,
are a team that can cover with margin, And uh,
I don't it's it's such a big number. I think
I'll include it in teases. I think if I can
get that down to two some places, I like it
a lot, and I think they'll I think they'll probably
cover this. Like I wouldn't take the Vikings in this scenario.

(01:13:10):
It just feels large for what I think is still
a pretty good Vikings defense. Give me the Lions for
these purposes here, Jason Ware, You.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
See now, I don't want anyone to take this the
wrong way. I don't. It's not because I don't think
the Lions can't cover this or they shouldn't cover this, Harry,
But I know that you and I are in the
same camp that we think that the NFL is rigged here.
And I can just see this play out because they
don't know because Wentz is out for the year. JJ McCarthy,
I don't know. Is he the quarterback who's gonna be quarterback?

(01:13:36):
Justin Jefferson scares me with our dbs because we're injured
in that position here. I'm just saying, as far as
the nine, it just seems heavy to me, and if
I were to gamble, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
take the nine. I'm actually I'm gonna take the name.
I'm saying, I'm not gonna give the nine and take
the Lions like everybody would expect. I'm still a real
rational Lions fan. But the only reason why I'm giving

(01:13:58):
the nine instead of whatever I'm doing, I'm taking the
Vikings plus nine because I'm all in shambles here, because
it actually sounds like I'm going against the Lions and
I hate doing it, so i can't even talk right now.
So I'm taking the Vikings plus nine because the NFL's ragged.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
What do you got here, I'm not disagreeing. I'm not disagreeing,
and we all know that Minnesota. We know for me,
and four not terrible after everything that's happened. Wentz was
just awful. You know, Jefferson and Addison are very happy
to have maybe McCarthy in here, back in playing in
the state of Michigan. He's back, He did look good

(01:14:31):
in that game against Chicago in the fourth quarter and
led them to win. But I think it's a big number. Two.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I don't think Minnesota's as bad as what we've seen
over the past couple of weeks because Wentz has been
in there. Their last seven division games, they have lost
by more than nine just once. Now that was the
game last year, done seasoned in Detroit, but still last
seven division games all like one score games. I'll take

(01:14:58):
the Vikings with a big number as well. Ikuna Yaba Gita,
Jared Goff all.

Speaker 5 (01:15:04):
Right to hope I'm wrong. Two more NFL games. Colts
minus three at Steelers. I love this game and that's
why I put it in here. I mean, I think
it's also one of the better, more inching games of
the week. Steelers have impressed me that they've kept this up.
The Colts are just better than them, and I think
the Colts offense will be too much. I don't think
the Steelers will be able to keep pace. If it
goes over three, I'd stay away from this, but at three,
I really like it. Minus three even on the road.

(01:15:26):
Give me the Colts, Jason Worry.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
I think I like it more than you, because I'd
go minus six and a half Colts. I think the
Steelers are overrated. I think Aaron Rodgers is overrated. I
think Mike Tomlin is overrated. The Steelers secondary stinks, and
I think Daniel Jones, even on the road, is going
to beat beat the Steelers cover the spread. What do
you got here?

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Everything you guys just said on this game is one
hundred percent correct, one hundred percent correct. But you know what,
I don't know why I'm taking Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
What Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
I agree with you guys one hundred percent, but I'm
going after what Pittsburgh did in the second half on
Sunday Night against Green Bay. Lay it in eggs, done,
got rolled. Colts are just rolling everybody at seven and one,
you know, just the point, the plus one sixteen and
point differential. It's just too much on the road here,

(01:16:18):
I think something weird happens Pittsburgh covers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
And I have no.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Reasons, no reasons for liking Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
So you're saying the NFL is like the WWE. You
just got to bet storylines. You can't even yeah thinking
about it. I mean I've been saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I've been saying that since my home and since mahomes,
you know, basically twenty eighteen.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Ye all right, next game, last NFL game, Chiefs minus
two Bills. This is, you know, obviously, the game of
the week, late afternoon Sunday, fun fun game here, not
to bet on, not to bet on. No, And that's
that's the only downside of it. The Chiefs have been
playing really well, the Bills less so, although they last

(01:17:00):
week did rise up and remind us that they're pretty good.
Bill's home dog. I know the Chiefs have been really good.
Just a general principle, here, you got two very good teams.
Bill's are a home dog. I'm going to take the
home dog here. Plus two. Jason ware you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Yeah, but I'm gonna go back to the Lions Vikings
game where I couldn't even get it out properly because
I don't like talking about my favorite team that way.
But I just think the NFL is rigged, and there's
something with this line too. Minus two. I just think
it's the Bill's defense is what Vegas is kind of
scared of here. I just think the Chiefs go on
the road and win this game. The minus two doesn't
scare me. What do you got here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Yeah, still against a lot of the guys gave me
this game to go over. More than anything in this game,
I do like the over fifty two. I mean, Kansas
City scored five straight games where they scored twenty eight
points or more. And if they are in the league,
Kansas City, you know Bill's and Josh Allen has to
come back and fire away on offense as well. And look,

(01:17:59):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
You know Josh Allen four and one straight up against
Kansas City in the regular season, beat him in Buffalo
last year by nine. But uh, I just think there's
right now. And you guys know how I feel about
Kansas City. I think I think the homes gets it
done here. I just don't think Buffalo's defense is good

(01:18:20):
enough to stop Kansas City enough and just to lay too.
I think Kansa City can win this game by field glamar.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
And I never and you guys know I never sided
with Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Yeah. No, it's great slate of games you picked this weekend.
Sorry to do with ourselves. Harry's betting off opposite shit
he usually does this is these are the interesting games,
aren't Western Central? Sorry Harry, you had to put like
thirty seconds of thought into that ship.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
And he's betting the Paris Masters, and he's looking at
how this is what he does for at least the
man's time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
He's got a lot of shit going on here. All right, Well,
let's get to Harry's best bets. Some other things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:19:04):
All right, let's keep to Harry's best bets. You you like,
you've got some things with the Dodgers in Game six here,
like Dodgers minus one and a half, and you like
Munsey to hit a home run in Game six?

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Yeah, I mean the series has been you know, last
game is a little bit of a dud, but uh,
you know, the series has still been pretty entertaining. And
I do like the Dodgers minus one and a half.
You can get around plus one twenty. Yeah, I'm Momoto's pitching.
He's been fantastic in the postseason. One point five to
seven e RA thirteen career starts guys versus al teams.

(01:19:42):
He's given more than three runs in one of those games.
He beat Toronto five to one on the twenty fifth
of October, and in seven of his eight playoff career starts,
LA has won, Like I said seven of eight, LA's
won seven of eight and all seven two runs. And
more so, I think this game gets pushed to a

(01:20:03):
game seven, which will be a lot of fun. And
take the minus one and a half plus money with
the Dodgers. And how about this one, guys, Max Mounsey
at our number, Jason our number at plus four to
twenty to hit at any time home run in the game.
He is seven of twenty one career versus Gossman. That's

(01:20:23):
a three point thirty three average. Four of those seven
hits have been home runs, and Gossman's last three starts
in the playoffs, the Blue Jays have lost them all
and he's given up home runs in all three of
those starts. Monthsy home run anytime plus four to twenty go, lionbody.

Speaker 5 (01:20:45):
You've got a Premier League game you love too. Before
we get to your NFL teasers, Fulham Wolves over to
minus one forty. I love the over twos because you
just got to get two to get your money back, right.
It's push. It's a nice way of doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I like that too. I like that instead of laying
you know, two in the two and a half and
you got and you gotta you get a better price
to push. You know, if you get one goal in
the first half, you really static and I like this one.
Over to the last four matchups between these two, three
or more goals have been scored. Wolverhampton's last two matches

(01:21:17):
no defense and they have had some offense. Last two
matches from Wolverhampton, there's been a total of twelve goals scored.
Fulham's giving up goals at least one goal in five
straight matches and in three of the last four EPL
matches three goals or more have been scored in them.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Fullham Wolverhampton over too beautiful and NFL teaser.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
I don't have by the way, the Premier League has
been chaos. I mean the fact that like Bournemouth is
one of the best teams, that Crystal Palace beats Liverpool
every every time they face each other. I mean, like
the chaos has not been good for me who likes
some level of predictability and favorites and parlays and like
that that has not been not been great other than Arsenal,
but teaser, NFL Ravens at minus a half and Jaguars

(01:22:02):
plus three and a half a seven point teaser.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
You like that as well.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yeah, I've been hitting teenagers with you guys left and right.
So let's go another one. We're gonna do a pro
one this week. And yeah, I like the Ravens minus
a half tonight. I mean, Miami got their win last week. Ravens,
even with Huntley in their last week, looked good, put
up thirty versus Chicago. Now Lamar is back and looking
to take control of the AFC. Know I's looking to

(01:22:25):
get back in it. So I'm gonna take the Ravens
to win the game basically against the Dolphins. Tonight, I'm
gonna take the Jags plus three and a half. Now,
you know, Hunter had his first one hundred yard game
two weeks ago for Jacksonville and Lawrence and ETN. I
think they snapped this two game slide and it's somehow,

(01:22:46):
some way the Raiders can figure out how to win
this game. I don't think it's by more than a
field goal, So if they even do somehow, I'm still
gonna take the three and a half. I think if
they do win, they win by a field goal, but
I'm getting three and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
I get the cover with Jacksonville beautiful beautiful, Jason, you've
got anything you know your beting this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I was so bad last weekend boys that I think
you should tail me this week. Here are some of
my leans. I haven't really put these together. Of two
three leg parlays, I like Rutgers plus twelve and a
half at Illinois. It's kind of a spie bet. I
hate Illinois. Vanderbilt plus three and a half at Texas.
San Diego State at home laying ten and a half
against Wyoming, New England at home against Atlanta. That's a

(01:23:28):
minus six. I'm giving up six points there. And Dallas.
I like Dallas this week at home against Arizona. With
that offense, they got to do something. Arizona's terrible, it's
only mine. I got it at two and a half
minus two and a half. So those are my leans
so far. Beautiful, I have as May that's Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
That's San Diego State teams sleepy good this year, especially
on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
I've got a four leg NFL favorites parlay for you, guys,
Do you tell me where this goes wrong? It's minus
one nineteen, which I like. Packers money line at home
against the Panther, Right like that Lions money line at
home against the Vikings, Rams money line at home against
the Saints. I think we can agree all those things
are likely to hit, so that still leaves you well

(01:24:12):
over plus or minus two hundred. So you don't you know,
that's not a good line to be betting. So what
you do is you throw the Colts in now, but
you don't want to put them on the money line
because you know it's it's a minus three on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Who knows.

Speaker 5 (01:24:23):
But if you do an alternative line and bring that
up to plus four and a half, all of a sudden,
you've got a total of minus one nineteen. So that's
bet one hundred or bet one nineteen to win one hundred.
To me, where's that go wrong? Colts plus four and
a half, Rams, Lions, Packers all win, just win on
the money line, and it's close to even money Packers
Packers at home against the Panthers. That's what it's gonna

(01:24:44):
go wrong. Now, I'm not saying it won't, but that's
that's my that's my better week. Those This is what
we are betting this week, presented by our friends with
the fire Keepers. I because you know, what do you
app is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
That any good. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Yeah, sure, got a w there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
Thank you, Thank you, Harry. You are a beautiful man.
And uh we'll let you get back to your extremely
busy life. And we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
I'm still trying. I'm still trying to figure out the
weekend games here from big al dot com. I'm trying
to figure some some stuff out.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
No, And I would recommend people haven't done it. If
you go to big al dot com, you'll you'll you
can find Harry's picks. Uh, the other people have picks there.
You can subscribe, you know, and uh, yeah, like create
an account. I did that and boom, I get Harry's
top picks and in one an MLS game the other
night because of it. And so it's a great way. Oh,
couch is partly on. There's one of your picks, Harry. Yeah,

(01:25:36):
you can have it if you want it. I don't
know if you If it goes wrong, blame Harry. That's
what I would That's what I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
You're beautiful guys. If you do.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
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So good stuff with Tim Hardaway Senior too. If few
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Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Questions, Scott. You next is kurtang struggles a confidence issue
similar to Jaden Aikins last season. The downside is Tang
is also struggling on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
No, I think they're different because Tang is a sophomore
who's starting his second game, who's just figuring out what
he's going to be as a college basketball player at
this level, where Aikins was in a situation where he
was trying to become a star and he wanted to
be a star. I think what happened with Aikins last
year at the beginning of the year was much similar,
more similar to what happened with Cohen Carr in this
game where you had a moment that was, you know,

(01:29:44):
a big showcase game and Cohen Carr wanted to show
he's the guy, but he's not. Somebody like Aikins who
can just take over a game. Athletic doesn't quite have
the skill to do that. In certain ways, the way
Cohen Carr is a star, the way he's the best
player on the court, is when he's everywhere, when he's
after every rebound, when he's in transition. And they didn't
have many transition opportunities. But if he had been after

(01:30:06):
every rebound and he didn't didn't get any rebounds until
late in the game, I think it looks different. And then,
you know, they got to find ways to make sure
he gets shots in the corner. He's got to get
a couple threes up a game minimum. He's got it,
you know, But he and then they've got to get
him headed toward the basket, get him in the ball
on the drive, headed toward the basket, get them you know,
lobs and things of that nature, and let him sort

(01:30:27):
of let the game come to him a little more.
He's not somebody who's real good. When he forces it,
it's got you any chance. Jordan Scott fits in at
the two as the season progresses. He does all the
things Izzo like, defends well, high effort, and has a
high basketball IQ. Makes a lot of the right basketball decisions.
Does it seem like Iso trust or likes the other
two guys at the spot? No, I mean Iso said

(01:30:49):
that spot's a concern. Is Io was figuring it out.
I mean he doesn't know what he has. I mean
I think Kerteng was the returner who played well enough
in the in the preseason to earn the star at
the beginning. He has not played well enough in the
game so far. And there has been exhibitions, mind you,
But and then you've got to transfer and Trey Ford,
who's got experience so they sort of know what he is,
who'd struggled some defensive stuff. But you know those two

(01:31:11):
are going to be part of it. I think coming
into things, they thought Jordan Scott may be a year away.
But like last year with Jace Richardson. And this is
not me comparing Jordan Scott to Jasse Richardson, but last
year we didn't really know what Jace Richardson was. They
didn't know one hundred percent. The game start and you're like, huh.
And Jordan Scott clearly has a fearlessess, fearlessness to him,
a grit to him. Whether he can make enough shots

(01:31:32):
and whether he's ready to be a playmaker at the two.
But he's going to have a role if he looks
like he did against Yukon, there's no question about it.
And so where that is and how much that is
I think will depend on him continuing to do that.
But also what Kurt teng is and I don't think
is oh No's. I think this is going to be
one of the great questions of the next month is
can he find some consistency in production at that position.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Professor which MSU two guard ends the season with the
most minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:32:00):
Right now, it's really easy to say it's not Kirtang.
I am not willing to give up on Kirtang. I
think there's some defensive concerns there, but I think he
has a sweet shot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
And MSU is.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Won and played well with guys who had some defensive
limitations who had sweet shots throughout time, even under his
O before is Oel. You know what, He's got to
make threes and he does have a sweet shot, Like
we saw it a little bit against Bowling Green. I've
seen it in practice many times.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:32:26):
It is as pure as you'll see. So all that said,
I think the most minutes probably wind up slightly to Ah,
you know what, I'm gonna stay with Kirtang right now.
I thought it was Kirtang before that. I'm not gonna
let the exhibitions games telled me otherwise, but he obviously
has to play better.

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dressing up for Halloween? Are you dressing up for ALLOWI
we talked about it. Teresa and I were going with
my nephew and my sister to take him out, and
we wanted dress up as like, there's this new trend
like I don't know, the kids say six seven as
it's like something, So we were gonna wear a six

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and a seven What does it mean? Though it doesn't
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it's not even We were just going to be like
adults ruining what kids think is funny? Why why is
it funny? What some like rapper who said six seven
it just became a trend. It meant nothing, right, so
we didn't like, I don't know, but you might not
do it because like I guess the kids don't like
they already hate it because they know when people catch

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on like the old fires like us. When we catch on,
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Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
Mag Spade, How would you compare the talent of MSU
men's basketball to Michigan to Purdue? What does MSU have
to do to maximize its talent like it did last year?

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think Purdue is, given the experience
and the talent, they have the best team coming in,
and Michigan has quite a bit of talent, but they've
got It's hard to know because I haven't seen the
exhibitions of these games. I haven't teams yet, I haven't
seen them play how it fits together, So so I
don't know to that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
To what they have to do to.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Maximize the talent is they've got to have guys. First
of all, it's got to be you know, it's got
to be a selflessness to them. And they had a
little of that last year, you know. And I'm not
saying guys don't have egos, but so and then they've
got to have to me they They've got a lot
of guys who are good players, who can be very

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good players if they're put in the right spots. The
coaching staff, the point guard, Jeremy Fears, all of them
have to work to maximize who Cohen car is, who
Jackson Cohler is, Like that needs to be a big
part of the operation. You know, I still believe they
can be a very good team, but that those sort
of things we didn't see in the Yukon game, and
Yukon is as good as anybody they're gonna play, but

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that that needs to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Scotty Green's El Camino is is the great white shooter killer. Seriously,
how many highly touted white shooters have not lived up
to the high school hype? Under is a Here's the
start Russell BYRD Foster, Lawyer Jason Klein, Chris Washinsky, Kenny Kominski,
Austin Thornton, Chris Hill. Halfway Yeah, well that's what he

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says in here. Halfway. Yeah, this is an argument just
not to recruit white people. I don't really understand.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
I really wouldn't if I was a basketball coach. It's
a big argument. And make sure they have enough swagger
to get over it. You know, kirk Mans could still shoot.
That was before this time. Austin Thornton was more of
a preferred walk on Kenny Kaminski and I think he
had some good you know, I thought he was going
to be really good for them. Shinsky, Yeah, yeah, it
was not. He was not even brought in to be

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the shooter though. Was Shinsky was brought in. This is
going way back now to replace Ken Redfield. It was
Andy Pennock, who transferred like three or four times in
and out of the school, who is brought in to
replace kirk Mans and be a shooter. But your point is, MZA,
what is those ideal twenty six recruiting look like and
what does it actually end up being? Mm well, full

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breakdown grand Yeah, I mean I don't know what it
will wind up being.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
I don't think they do. I don't think anybody knows that.
Right now.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
They do have give me some hoff real quick. I'm
gonna pull something up, all right. They do have Josias
Jervis next. I think it's next week that he is
going to make his decision, and like they already have
Medlock and I think that would be a nice, nice

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pairing going forward. You know, there's some other guys that
I think they're like in the final three or four
of that I feel less good about. But I don't know,
and I don't think they know right now. I think
that's but they're in on a lot of big guys,
and if they can land a couple more of these dudes,
it's a really nice twenty twenty six class m z A.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
I get wanting to support Tang, but having him play
more than ten to fifteen minutes a game with how
mscu's offenses looked is not sustainable.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
Well, he's gonna have to be a part of the
offensive answer because he's not a defensive stopper.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
It's still exhibition, right if they play, they play a
real game yet.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
Cold No, the first real game is Monday night Colgate,
and I think that's an important game in the sense
that you need a team that you're better than, that
you can beat, you can find some confidence. Guys like
Kurtang need confidence, and he had a couple of moments
against Bowling Green. But there's an argument for easing into
a season, and a guy like that is it. I mean,
this is his first time being in a big time role.
Now I'm doing a piece on Kirtang that that's running

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a mag go up tonight online, but it's running Sunday
print on just sort of his background, his parents being
from Sudan and what they went through to get him here,
and sort of the feeling that he really owes it
to them to be to live up to his potential
and be great in life. You're like Tom Rinaldi, but
point being his dad and some family. His dad had

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only had seen him play once before, only been at
one of their MSU game. Drove down from Manchester, New
Hampshire to Hartford to watch the game the other day
and I is O afterwards, you know, suggested it wondered
if he might have been a little nervous about, you know,
playing in front of a fan, wanting to do too much,
to be too good, and it just isn't in a
position where that worked. I'm not out on kurtain yet.

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He just done too much in practice. There's too many
things they like about him. He can shoot it too well,
but he's got to shoot because that's what he does best. Like,
he's got to be a shooter and he's got to
be part of the answer for them offensively.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
Big game for kurtak against Colgate. Got to turn this
fan base big game MC a shit Car's free throw
shit Car's free throw shooting be of concern.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
Not yet, I mean, because he's been pretty good there.
He did a bad game. I think this whole game
he was out of sorts. It was the Jade Nakens
reference I had to that first game in Kansas last year.
He was just out of sorts. I you know, there's
no now if it becomes a thing, if like three
four more games he's shooting you know, sixty percent or something,
then then then yes. But I would not yet say so.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Is O's no longer gotta go? H next? I'm not
an Ex's and O's guy. How do I look for?
What do I look for on the court to identify
Izzo's elbow block help defense that you mentioned in your
three takes column?

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
Yeah, it was interesting years ago. Mike Garland in a
locker room like drew it up for me on a
Napkindiden cla tournament. He was just like, this is it,
this is what and and so It's a little hard
to describe here. The point is like Michigan State basketball
lives in gaps, right, they live you know, with help
and gaps, and they did very much a trust defense.
It's a man defense, but it's it's a you know,

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and you know what the elbow is on the court, right,
It's it's like and you know where the block is
on the court. Like, so just think of those two
things and where MSU players need to be in the
gaps and where they help and things like that. Someday
I'll maybe do a further story on it, just to
because I do think it's a huge part of is
Tho's identity and and is his former assistant coaches said,

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it's why he's in the Hall of Fame. Now, He's
had a lot of other things happen, like Dwayne Stevens
runs that same defense and knows it like the back
of his hand, and yet he's not in the Hall
of Fame. So it's not just that, but that is
a huge part of like technically what he does that
makes them successful.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Sea Dubbs ninety one. Is it possible? The reason MSU
wasn't able to get into a rhythm Tuesday was because
there was a whistle on every other possession. Removing any
flow to the game didn't help. I mean it helped them,
they'll get to the line and have some offense because
they had no other way to get any offense. For
a while, the game sucked. It sucked to watch. If
officials are trying to make a point, go to hell, like,

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let's not ruin the sport to make a point. Rocks, Yeah,
like kicks, get out of here, Darey Seed Dubbs. As
a media member, do you get rosters with pronunciations? On
game day? The Yukon radio guy mispronounced Uga Chukwu about
a dozen times, which shouldn't happen, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
If you if you're a radio person and there is
a TV radio roster on all the game notes and
it does have pronunciation guides, you should be able.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
To get that right. Come on, team and Seed Dubbs,
what does Vegas know that US casuals don't about this
football game on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
He's basically saying the line being so small, only being three,
I don't think Vegas knows it. I think what Vegas
is looking at and going they just lost, Like what
did they?

Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
They don't want anyone to bet on it, so they're
just like here's three. You do something whatever you want
to do with it. There's gonna be no handle on
this piece of shit game.

Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
If Vegas he's a bet over three hundred dollars on
this game, they're gonna pull the line off the board.
Somebody knows something that's that's uh yeah, yeah, I don't
think they know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:22):
Yeah, David Cox, you're hiring a new coach. The one
who do well are the ones that win championships, motivate
players and find and secure talent, and outstrategize the opposing coach.
This is why you have to look to Tony anesse
Anssi Yeah, Uga Chuku. I'm not saying hire him, but
don't you think he's worth a look? And from Spartan PhD.

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Why not Tony an essay at Farris State? To paraphrase
Kirk Signetti, Google him he wins? Or is there a
reason an essay is Bennett Farris State? So long? Yeah,
I mean I think you do. Look at everybody. It's rare.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
You see the D two jump, it's rare. You see
the line backer jump to a head coach. It's where
you see all these things. But you know, there are
certain things you'd worry about with the Division two coach
stepping into the Big ten to run the show right now.
But certain people may have the goods to do it,
and you want to talk to them and have them
suaize your concerns on that sort of stuff. I would

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I would not think he's the guy just based on
I shouldn't say age, because there are a lot of
just based on his path and the fact that you
just don't see that you do not see that level.
But he's been so good at faris he's here in
the MSU's backyard. Certainly you should have a conversation with
anybody who intrigues you and before you before you make

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a decision.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Junior, next, do you think that MSU will focus on
head coaching candidates that are proven power fore head coaches
coordinators if they are looking to go young and impressive.
Do you think they will take a serious look at
Mike Shanahan from Indiana. Good chance that he's just as
responsible for this their success as Signetti. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
I mean sometimes you have to get over yourself. I
think India in Michigan State hiring like a coordinator from
Indiana feels like, well, that's a that's a hard thing.
But right if if you make a mistake because of ego, again,
that whether you're hiring a fairis state head coach or
an offensive coordinator from Indiana, then you're not you know,
you're not making the right decision. The problem is in
all these cases, what was the biggest decision A big

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mistake Haller made? And obviously Jonathan Smith hasn't worked out.
But we all thought, or a lot of us thought
that that was a good, solid, sensible hire when it happened, right,
And the thing that made it a bad hire beyond
that it just hasn't worked and fit hasn't been great,
but is that there hasn't been enthusiasm from the donor
base right, and there wasn't, So you do have to

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consider that otherwise you make the same mistake. And and
I can think what I want about, like I wish
it wasn't that way, but it is that way. So
you got to be cognizant of that, and you got
to be able to sell whatever choice you're gonna make.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Kurt was newski gentlemen, as youths, what were your favorite
Halloween costume and memory? M youths? Youths, youths. I think
you had utes originally? Oh why did you put it?
Leave it in? Because I like youths better. It's better.
It's utes? Is it? Okay? My bad two utes? You
know what that's from. I don't my cousin Vinnie Oh

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I did? Yeah, yeah, Judge. Yeah, it's a great old
guy podcasting. Sorry, great for everyone. Great movie. It's a
great movie, all right. Favorite Halloween costume. I just tweeted
it out. I mean my the uh Kermit the frog
that my mom made that I actually hated at the time,
but she handmade it. Now as I'm forty six, it's
really nice now, it's very sweet. But you know I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
I was really mad at my mom after that. Well,
because you got made fun of you. No, I just
I did want to be a superhero and I was
wearing this goofy fucking Kermit costume. And I was walking
around seeing all these kids in cool you know he
man like uh Star Wars ship and here I am
in a frog fucking one one piece.

Speaker 5 (01:46:04):
It's just like, no, no, no, I know, I Uh,
I think I had a couple. I was Gavroge from
lem Is uh twice, which I enjoyed. Like in school,
you were this like in sixth and seventh grade. It's
really popular middle school, getting out of middle school.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Atlantic kick your ass to save the time. But the
worship prepared son.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
The one that should have been great that that did
not work was I was a mummy in fifth grade
and most of the time you buy like a pre
made mummy costume, right, But my mom, like your mom
right wanted we went to Joyanne Fabric and she brought
sheet cloth and just wrapped me up. But as we're
doing the walk in our elementary school, all the kids
walk in their costumes around the school, I'm just unraveling,

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like it just didn't stick for whatever reason. I mean,
whatever pins were in me or I don't know. It's
just so I'm just just just unraveling. Mummy, No, I'm
just walking.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
It was awful.

Speaker 5 (01:47:00):
My mother clearly didn't know what she was doing. So
I had to put on my football uniform that night,
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Speaker 1 (01:47:20):
Big John Hogg next with hutch Re signed, what does
this do for the Lion's window. I think they're a
Decker replacement away from being set for the next five years.
I know. But when Decker's healthy, I think he's still good. Yeah,
I think we missed Decker when he doesn't play even
like a seventy percent Decker.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
But yeah, they got to keep drafting well because it
is gonna it will get expensive in a couple of years.
But I love about this though, is this is a
true understanding of this needed to get done. But they're
in the window now too, and this isn't all. And
we've talked about this before. If they win a super
Bowl this year and three years from now, they're not
quite as good. But because shit got too expensive and

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they were taking care of their guys, nobody's gonna be
mad at them for it. You know, if there is
a year where it's like, man, they're barely a playoff
team and they need to recalibrate a little bit. They
got a couple of expensive contracts, but you know what,
they won the super Bowl. They won those two super Bowls.
Nobody's gonna be mad. And so I think right now
this is a I don't think this is something that
kills you for the future because either good players are
investing in and I think they're getting ahead of it,

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and some of the salaries I thought would be a
little bit higher even than that, they happened that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
I know, the Jamo's contract was a little pricey, but yeah,
that was true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see. It's good.
But what Brad Holmes can keep drafting all he wants
and paying his guys and being proper like that, But
the problem is he can't fight against the NFL and
how it's rigged and hopefully they just let us. Hopefully
hopefully it's in the script that we can win one. Yes,
so we get that and then that's it. I'm good,
Big John. What's say Halloween candy that as a kid

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you threw right away? What was the the candidate came
in a black rapper. It was all like his jet
black rapper. It wasn't black liquorice. It was some like,
I don't know, it was a shitty candy, though I
one liked it. Yeah, it's like who buys these?

Speaker 5 (01:49:07):
Yeah, I'm trying to think what one thing I didn't
anything that was black liquorice? I couldn't couldn't stand that
was it?

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
That was your kryptonite as a kid. I mean just
hammered everything else. I'll get my fat ass, Like, do
you think there was much else that I didn't hammer?
But you weren't fat when you were a fat kid. No,
it's not a fact. Yeah it's not that kid. I
just I just loved Yeah, I loved everything, Big John Hog.
How many trick or treaters do you guys get? And
what do you hand out? We get zero? Zero point zero?

(01:49:36):
Really no no, because they do something downtown OVID or something.
I don't care. Yeah, I don't have kids. I don't
give a ship you come to the house or we
get a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:49:44):
We're a neighborhood. It's not like the White Hills neighborhood
where Izzo and those guys live with they get zillions.
And by the way, the next em you can say
where lived? Yeah, every know they live in a White Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
All the.

Speaker 5 (01:49:57):
Here's what I have to say. The next eme you
gave out is Tho, the next high profile MSU coach.
If you don't live in White Hills, I will write nothing.
But now you're giving blown up their everybody's spot. That
then don't live in White Hills. Live somewhere else, live
in a real neighborhood. I'm sorry to those who live
in White Hills. I have friends who actually live there,
but but our neighborhood is a neighborhood where.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
People knew who White Hills, what that was.

Speaker 5 (01:50:16):
And he's slanting it's over by cost cool with all
the houses look the same and get all your stocky
needs no character. You're not going to know which houses which.
None of the houses have any character. It's fine, It's
uh sorry, I shouldn't say. I I have friends that
they're beautiful, big houses, and I understand why they Oh good,
they're rich, too cool? When are they not home? What

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an asshole?

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
What do you think we have?

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
Like the Wet bandits from home alone listening? I mean,
this is not solid our neighborhood. I just think it's
funny that you docks at least three people a show. Yeah,
that's all, and it's getting hot here. I'm strying to
lose it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:51):
Sorry, mister ben Jen Have either of you had time
to watch any Pistons games? Would you fill in the
blank when Cad isn't on the floor. This is a
bottom blank team it's grim man. Didn't they just win
last night? Watched that game a little bit. Yeah, No,
IENs are on the second TV and Kate was really
good last night. I know that. But how many teams
are great without their best player? I don't. I think

(01:51:13):
I think they're fine, But I mean, you know, let's
just answer the question, what do you think outside of that? Well,
if you take the best player off every team, I
think the Pistons are still pretty good. I mean, what
I gonna answer your question. I don't. I don't. I
don't really.

Speaker 5 (01:51:25):
But by the way, this did make me remember I
somehow forgot to put these in the batch because they
came through my work e mail, our our our friends,
our friend Steve Isough had had some questions and I'll
read these because I did not put them in the Betchuh,
he says, couch, how do I apply my first round
of lube on my treadmill? Don't want to make a
mess and you have experience? Honest question.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
M hm, So this isn't really Stephen, isn't. I think? So?
This is this is the key. Here is.

Speaker 5 (01:51:54):
The problem with the loubs. The lube is tricky because
you overdo the lube It's never the same, and it
can become a mess if you have to move it round. Yeah,
and it depends on the treadmill. Some treadmills have this
little like little hole you put the loop in Jesus,
and that that ultimate And some of you actually need
a longer loop stick to spread.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
It underneath the All right, we only have a couple
of minutes. Sorry, we gotta get going.

Speaker 5 (01:52:18):
What day will the after the Lions winning a Super Bowl?
What will a day after the Lions winning the Super
Bowl look.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Like for you? Might not be this year, but they
will get one in our lifetime. What will that day
look like? It will be relief. It will be with
plenty of mgs and I will just not stop smiling.
I think it'll be all over, Actually, Stephen, it'll be
all over, man, It's gonna be glorious. Yeah. I look

(01:52:44):
forward to that Monday show. I don't know, I might
have to drag you in and I'm gonna come over
to your house. Stephen white Hills watch the game. We'll
watch the super Bowl together. I don't know if he
still lives it, but the all right, final one from him?
Why is everyone so upset about Kid Rock being on
the sideline and answer answers, because left sided political thinkers
are the ones who publicly whine about things like that.
The right side it complained about Whitmer on the show.

(01:53:07):
People need to relax. There were some people had some
nasty things to say, but when she tweeted it out
the comments or something.

Speaker 5 (01:53:13):
Else, so I would I would not say it is
a and and you know it's ridiculous. The problem is,
you know, is somebody brought up when you're gonna when
you say you're going to be the R somebody the
R word for Halloween, the the you know, is the
actual word like the R No, you know, I'm not
going to say the word, but I so he's going
his horns. Look, Kid Rock put on one of the

(01:53:33):
great shows I ever saw with Metallica in two thousand.
It's all State Arena, and uh, but he's not not
somebody I love.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
But he's not. He's also not somebody I get all
that upset about. But I know a lot of people do.
Are you gonna get canceled because you went to a
Kid Rock concert? Word khakis and a polo too? Those? Yeah,
did you put your double horns in the air? I
was just the girl I was with. It took me.

Speaker 5 (01:53:54):
I was trying to get somewhere and that work that
later on. Yeah, but not that concert, not that night,
Not that night.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Oh no, kra Lee. Next. Aside from any and all
couch of the roub content, has there been a brighter
spot on this hellscape of an app than Tom Hurst
visit to Detroit this past week. Watching the Detroit teams
welcome him and his unbridled joy and enthusiasm for the
city is like a warm, cozy muskox flannel or the
sweetness of a groovy donut. It was kind of cool.

(01:54:23):
Annoyed me. I just annoyed. Why because he's Korean? No
I think I'm racist. It's unbelievable. It's a hell of
a claim. He could be white. It's just the fact
that someone comes in from like he could be from
the Switzerland guy, and that he comes in and he
gets court front row seats like of court. I'm sorry, Like,
am I happy for him? If you're gonna answer me,
you know you shouldn't do it. Next the rou from

(01:54:44):
no one wants to fucking see me. I'm like every
other person in the state. But you can point why
am I famous. I wouldn't care to. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:50):
Point out the hypocrisy. You're like, why am I not
getting the royal treatment? I want to be on fan
duel sports network. I'm just answering the you know, she's
asking if we were like happy. I'm just being honest.
When I first saw it, like I can let that
go and be like okay. But then you see him
at the Oh you met Kate Conny, He's like, oh,
it's so fantastic, Like I just annoyed. It just fucking
annoys me. I'm not gonna lie to you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
I do think we should. But why these people like, oh,
it's the Korean guy and then all of a sudden
the Lions. It's like, you know, there's so many people
that live in this fucking state that would love to
go to a Lion's game that costs nine grand to
go to now, and we got the Korean guy who goes, oh, yeah,
I want to come on down and be on the field,
Like fuck, man, that's all all right. Jay riemens Schneider
get Rockston and goes me folloween Jay riemen Schneider, How

(01:55:31):
ironic would it be if Penn State finally beats Ohio
State in a year, their coach got fired, starting quarterback injured,
and they have only the slightest path to even a
low level bull game.

Speaker 5 (01:55:41):
Yeah, it's not gonna happen. They make it fired up
for this is not gonna happens. They're not good and
Ohio State's really good. That's I've been impressed with the
Ohio State this year and just s it's very hard
in this day and age for team to keep focused
and just be constantly really really good in Ohio State
has been really really good week in a week out.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Jay Rieman Schneider. Why won't regular BTN put on the
MSU versus Yukon and Michigan versus Saint John's type basketball games?
The SEC and ACC conference networks do put their high
profile games on their standard network and not streaming.

Speaker 5 (01:56:12):
Because it's not a home game for those twos, like
the whole deal is at least from MSU is not
a home game. When when Yukon plays at Michigan State
next year in an exhibition, I would guess we'll probably
be MBTN plus. But Big ten network would have the
ability to show that game, and I think they I
think they did with the Tennessee game a couple of
years ago. I know that was a fundra, so I
would actually I would expect Btn probably to show the

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game a year from now.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
It's Bartholomew next. If Jonathan Smith's offense was best at
Oregon State, when he had a very frequent and successful
running game, why'd he spend all of his issue bucks
on quarterback and wide receiver?

Speaker 5 (01:56:49):
Because he only had so many unique quarterbacks and receivers, right,
some Gilbert Bucks, Yeah, I mean, and well it's Greg
Williams and Don Williams bucks and yeah, it's yeah. I mean,
he just didn't have enough. And they've got some good players.
I mean, there's some good players on that offensive line,
some of it. I do think this season offensively on
the offensive line would have looked different had they been

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able to stay healthy. They didn't have the depth they
said they had, which is part of the issue. You
should overseell depth. But there are I think Luka Vincik
would have been a really big help on that line.
I think there are there were issues there that that
could have not been as obvious, and they could have
been a better line if if they stayed healthy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Dennis Saminga junior. Is it unrealistic for fans to envision
Bulla coming back to coach at M miss you, Why
can't we just take a risk and make him head coach?
Pat Fitzgerald made the jump from linebacker.

Speaker 5 (01:57:37):
To head coach. Yeah again, I'm not saying it can't happen.
Linebacker what RC I'm not saying it can't happen. But
the thing is, we don't know that he's ready for
Like we can say that's intriguing because he's Max Bullen.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
You know who he is.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
It's like sometimes saying a team's really good because you
know the names of the roster, but you know he's
not ready. I don't know that he's not ready. Oh
I'm just not going to push for somebody. I don't
know if he's ready or not. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:58:01):
And nobody knows of he If he said he was ready,
would you believe he's ready or would you still say
he's not ready? Well, he won't know if well, he
might know, but if you're gonna ask him, he's gonna
be like, hell, yeah, I'm ready for this job.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Here's what Yeah, And look, he may be ready. I
think he's gonna be a fantastic coach over time. He's
just very young and has.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
Not ready yet. I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:18):
I don't know that. I just nobody who's pushing for them.
Nobody who's pushing for him knows if he's ready. That's
what I know, Jesus. So there's that at least somebody
knows something.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Matt C. Why does the MSU media keep saying MSU
is poor? I see a report of record donations last year,
and the athletic department has record TV revenue coming in,
So tell me where's all the money going.

Speaker 5 (01:58:41):
It's expensive to run these departments. Football is expensive, you
got it? I mean, yeah, not spending any MSU is
not as in bad shape as some but the money
is not like it's not like they're just swimming in it.
You know, it costs a lot to run an athletic
department to support all these sports, and football pays for
a lot. And for a long time it was done differently, right,

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You didn't pay the players, so that was you know,
twenty million of revshare money that went to the athletic
department that you now have to make up for elsewhere.
If you were going to operate the same way you did,
or you got to make cuts and do things.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
So is Chris Vanini right? Is Smith gonna stay? They're
gonna save the I don't think Matt see Graham, why
do you keep painting a false narrative that MSU failed
Jonathan Smith. It was your boy, Alan Haller who failed
him by hiring him out with doubt, excuse me, without
donor support. It was one of the worst coaching hires
in school history, and the data backs me up. See

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the stats from last week. You won't replace them off? No, no,
I'm not gonna pull them up. First of all, a
hire that doesn't work out for a lot of different
circumstances does not mean it was a bad hire at
the time. It's just like a bad bet or a
good bet that doesn't win. I don't think hiring a
successful coach from Oregon State who won by developing players

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and ran the type of offense that people were familiar
with that Michigan Stan wanted. I don't think that's a
bad get. I don't.

Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
It didn't work out, and there are parts of his
personality that maybe you could have seen ahead of time,
or maybe there's some things you could have seen, but
it was not now the donor issue with Haller, Uh, yeah,
he didn't navigate that well. And frankly, you know they
were a little penculan petulant about penchuck about it. Yeah,
and so, but ultimately they have more power than the ad. Like,

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you know, the most powerful person in MSU athletics is
not the athletic director, and Haller I think lost that.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Dave Laken. Is it possible that Smith wasn't fired this
week because Jay Batt is going to make Joe Rossi
interim coach and he didn't want Rossi to face Minnesota
in his first game. If Rossi has made interim coach
and gets to a six and six record, will they
keep him and bring in Bulla as DC?

Speaker 5 (02:00:49):
Well, Bulla runs a different you know. The thing is
Rossi is a defensive guy. You'd want to run his
defense bullet you know again, I don't would you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
Want Rossi to give him that against his former team though?
To be ahead?

Speaker 5 (02:01:00):
Yeah, I don't given if it's in I don't think
this was the thought. I don't think this is a
thought at all right now. I don't think they're in
that place. And I think part of it was if
if a decision is going to be made. And if
you know, there's a really awful weekend and it happens
this Saturday, and it looks like the teams quit or something,
and they have to do it. You're doing it going
into a bye week. We haven't seen that yet.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (02:01:18):
The thing is, since that UCLA game where you first
realized something was probably gonna happen, it have to happen
because this doesn't look like it's had in the right direction.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
MS.

Speaker 5 (02:01:26):
She has played hard and lost to two teams with
with good talent and in Indiana and Michigan, and so
it's just not they're not good enough. But the last
two weeks have not been the reason you know that
things are where they are, and so there hasn't been
another sort of another lynch pin, another lynchpin. Fuck it's
late hot, another point of like you know, you know

(02:01:49):
what I mean, another point to like say this is
a reason to make a move. Now clean that up
and post this makes for a good show and we're
both just baking hot Junior. Unless m s if he
was looking to hire a head coach that is currently
unemployed example Urban Meyer Franklin, what would be the advantage
of firing Smith. Now, any proven current head coach or

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coordinator would likely need to finish out the season at
their current program, wouldn't they, Well, yeah, yes, correct, You're
not going to make a higher now if they're if
they're working, nobody's coming over. And this is the issue
with teams who are in the playoff and hiring coordinators
from there, or you know, there are a lot of
things with the calendar in college football to make it tricky,
especially now though that the transfer portal doesn't open to

(02:02:31):
players until five days after the new coach is announced.
You know, it's a little different. You can make a
real argument unless, like, if there's a point where players
stop responding to a coach, you have to move on immediately.
You just can't. You can't accept that. But otherwise it
doesn't make a lot of sense to make a move
right now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
Mojo jojo. The LSU the State of Louisiana, Brian Kelly
Saga is insane, losing twenty three million in due to
a morality clause. At checks and notes, LSU one in
five Louisianians living in poverty, but the Governor's spending his
time on this gumbo. Aaron Sorkin has his next screenplay. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:03:13):
I struggle with this stuff too. I mean, how much
is this stuff the stuff that really matters? We're all
into Atlas.

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
It wasn't the governor, in fairness to him talking about
something there for something else and someone asked him about
the football pro Correct there were sports? Right, Okay, yep, No,
I don't. I don't. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:03:27):
I mean he was blunt and honest, and I guess
that's what you want. And it's a different culture down there,
for sure. A lot of backsweat a lot of bo
you know. I think we get hot in here. It's
it's it's uh, it's be awful. If we're doing this
show on it just be puddles. If we were in Louisiana,
Mojo Jojo?

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Would you say the overall quality of college football and
players has gone down since the transfer portal and NIL
kicked into high gear. Seems like a lot of players
are less developed and there's aren't there aren't any undeniable
players like we had in the past, Garrett at A
and M and Fields at Ohio State. I don't.

Speaker 5 (02:04:00):
Individually, I don't think the quality has gone down, but collectively,
there are fewer teams where you have great cultures that
have built over time, and so you have teams more
likely to fall apart. You have you have more parody,
which is good in some ways, but you have fewer
dominant teams. It's different and it's sort of noticeable, you know.
I don't know if it's good or bad. There's certain

(02:04:20):
things that aren't great though. I mean, like in terms
of if you're a Michigan State style program trying to
build into something culture that I think it's harder to do.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Mojo Graham, were you in middle school? In high school?
No one ever showed you an urban dictionary? I love you, man,
But having laughed as hard as you during your boof Google,
I haven't laughed out in a minute.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:04:41):
Yeah, lots of things. I just don't know. I'm just
not you know, poof would not be in your Yeah,
and we again upper Decker what was the other Philadelphia sidecard?

Speaker 5 (02:04:50):
And when I went to Otto Middle school in the
early nineties, like you know, we you know, there were
a lot of things. There are a lot of a
lot of things. You had to a lot of land mines,
there are things. He had a boof a lot of
land mines there. Man, it was a tough school.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
But like it. What does that mean? I mean, I
stick up for Lancing schools, but I don't make ingerous
minds like that movie Dangerous Minds with Michelle Pfeiffer and Coolio.

Speaker 5 (02:05:09):
It wasn't quite dangerous minds, but you know there were
some kids who didn't. It didn't work for.

Speaker 2 (02:05:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
MCV. As conferences continue to increase in size and TV
money becomes more influential in the sport, should they consider
increasing the regular season the thirteen or more games?

Speaker 5 (02:05:26):
No, you know, no, it's too many. It's it's more football. Yeah,
it's too much for these kids already. No, you don't
want to.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
You got to get rid of the conference championship games
as is kids. Yeah, come on, they're not kids. Original
dark Man. Tonio always hear about Ishbia giving to MSU.
But does Gilbert do as much? And if not, why
because I know he sure pours a lot of money
into Detroit.

Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
Yeah, I mean there was He did give like a
ten or fifteen million dollar gift years ago. I remember
doing a story on it, but I don't I don't
know how much regularly he's he's giving and it doesn't
seem like in the NIL space he's been very much
a part of that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Do they send him something in the mail, Gilbert, what
do you mean like what my wife gets, Like, hey,
donating season? Oh yeah, throw it in there.

Speaker 5 (02:06:09):
That would not be great if their top donors are
getting the same cards that the Teresa is getting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Oh okay, so we're not human beings anyway. Original Is
it time to admit Childs is an athlete playing quarterback
or is there still time for him wherever he lands.

Speaker 5 (02:06:22):
College or pro? But he's more This isn't Denard Robinson here.
This is I mean, he's not a flanker playing quarterbacks.
There are elements of his game where he hasn't developed
or he's not great and but yeah, no, there's He's
played some really good quarterback at times this year, just
hasn't been consistent and I don't know whether he'll reach
a level he's you know what, it allows him to

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be somebody who's considered by the NFL because he hasn't
played it recently. But he's got a lot of tools
and he's more a quarterback than that. That's not I
don't think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
Emma Anderson in five years from now, one of the odds,
Jay Smith is coaching another D one major, delivering better
winning numbers than his MSU replacement.

Speaker 5 (02:07:01):
I don't think this is his last head coaching job.
I don't know what level, or where or how. But
he's forty five years old, right, so yeah, I got
to think at some point, Yeah, that's right, he's only
forty five, young guy, He's got a long time to go.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
Yeah. Uh, Lucas, how annoying are the fans who still
beat the Urban is going to be the head coach? Drum?

Speaker 5 (02:07:18):
I didn't know they still existed. I didn't know those
Lucas will find them, Yeah, yeah, please bring them to me, Lucas.
Paul WEDERNAXT two takes over this team. Winds of change
are blowing.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
Huh. Coming off at disaster of mel Tucker, turning the
page quickly looked like the right thing to do. It's
just not working, and we will have a new football coach. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:07:39):
We obviously don't know that. We just don't know. And
I appreciate the uh the question. If I knew that,
that would have been the lead of the show, though chosen.

Speaker 1 (02:07:48):
You say that Jonathan Smith was not given every everything
he needed to be successful. Indiana is number two in
the country.

Speaker 5 (02:07:55):
They have more in il they were given, well, now
he came with more. He brought those like what thirteen
eleven starters and thirteen players from James Madison and that
that worked out great and they've created a lot of
momentum and energy. And from everything I've heard, there is
you know, significantly more millions to what NIL is paying

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its roster right now. And you know, even if that's
just five six million more, that makes a huge difference.
You had five six million to a college football roster,
the things you can do, it's quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
P Z. Do you get the sense Smith is determined
to play Chiles no matter what he's tied to him.

Speaker 5 (02:08:31):
It feels like it'll be That's an interesting question this
week because I think they'll start Chiles. But I think
if Chiles looks like you did last week, they've got
to make a move. It's only fair to him, It's
fair to the team, fair to the offense, fair to Leso.
You got to give a le Seo a look if
Chiles is going to struggle. But if you looks like
you do against Indiana, then you ride with your quarterback
p Z.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
Do you think hutch would let me hold a dollar?
Probably nice? It seems like a good Yeah yeah, PZ.
Favorite and least favorite airports.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
I love, love, love Lansing and Grand Rapids airports. And
I like Detroit too. Michigan's got good airports, like Denver.
Once you get there, it's way out of like Portland.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
A lot.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
Really don't like O'Hair. They're a bunch I don't like
as much. There you go, strong fifty nine oh three.

Speaker 1 (02:09:17):
In what is expected to be a record breaking coaching
carousel this year, can we please stop echoing the name
of every big name, recycle head coach that hits the market.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have a feeling the best
value will be in the G five up and comers
or P four coordinators.

Speaker 5 (02:09:31):
Now, well, I mean this is what happens though. This
is all there is people. I mean, people want to
talk MSU football. It's it's not November yet, and people
their season is sort of over for a lot of people.
You wait all year for this stuff and you want
something different, and so what there is to talk this
is what's what sports is.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
This is what the interest is. And I get it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:50):
Like in the conversation too, and the media. We have
to be smarter, you know, we can't just you know,
James Franklin, Brian Kelly, you know, you gotta think.

Speaker 1 (02:09:58):
But you know.

Speaker 5 (02:09:58):
But but the flip out of that is, I think
there is there are people who would like a guy
like Pat Fitzgerald who actually have some influence.

Speaker 1 (02:10:05):
JB G FEDS one hundred stadiums in a hundred days
has been fun to watch, a fun insight to other schools,
culture and football programs. Have you been following a long couch?
I have.

Speaker 5 (02:10:16):
He does a nice job, and we obviously had him
on earlier. I think it's a cool It's a cool thing.
I especially and I don't I enjoy when things go wrong,
like go to school, he has to talk. I mean,
when he gets arrested because you call the police on him.
It would not would not would not do that. We
let's we've got some good ones from Tyler Austin and
and Travis uh Maynard and they're a little repetitive for

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the most part. Let's go down to Uh to Mattie
b and and and and close out from there. Mattie
b Uh what is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
The full story as to why D'Antonio couldn't just get
his four million dollars early and start the coaching search
on time. Did people know he was leaving as leaving
in December and it was all just a formality to
wait until February?

Speaker 5 (02:10:59):
No, I do not think they knew that, And I
don't a hundred like I know that he was a
well of aware when that payment was happening, and they
probably should have gone to him earlier and said, hey,
we'll give you this just if you're if you're done,
you know we'll give you this. But I do not
believe as of December they knew. As of after that
fin stripe Bull, they knew for sure. Let's go to
fart Soup and then finished Fart Soup Rube edition.

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
Jason, would you rather three more years of Jonathan Smith
or me punching you the nuts every morning for a
week straight. I would take the nut punching, just for
Michigan State fans. I've met fart Soup. He doesn't have
a strong handshake. I'm not scared with no offense to you, though,
Fart Soup. Jason. Would you rather be found on the
Epstein flight logs or take Jonathan Smith? In as your housemate.

(02:11:42):
All shucks, come on in. Jonathan Smith, welcome to the
midnight tavern.

Speaker 4 (02:11:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:11:46):
I think you know how to roll a joint. And
I think Jonathan Smith will be a bad hang. It's
certainly better than that, you know, Drinke.

Speaker 1 (02:11:51):
Yeah, fart soup, Jason f Mary, kill Mel Tucker, Larry Nasser,
Chris Solari. I would definitely, Oh my god, I would
kill Larry Nasser. There you go. Solario would be scary.
I'm gonna bury him. Yep. Yeah, I guess you know
what happens in theon Meltzuger. Jake Hawkins after the two
preseason games. I'm glad we cut people out for those
Jake Hawkins after the two preseason games. What chances would

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give this MSU basketball team to break even in these
four early season games? Arkansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Duke.

Speaker 4 (02:12:21):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:12:22):
It's a good question because I don't know what those
teams are gonna be. I think Arkansas can be pretty good,
but I just I haven't seen those teams play. I
know some of their personnel. I think Duke's canna be tough.
Saying with Kentucky Arkansas, I don't know exactly what North
Carolina's gonna be this year. But we'll have a really
good feel after that Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
Game, Jake Hawkins. If Jonathan Smith ends up getting fired,
what do you think of these choices for his replacement?
Former Florida coach Dan Mullen who's coaching at UNLV and
Jimbo Fisher mainly because he's won a national champions Do
not like Fisher at all? Mullen?

Speaker 5 (02:12:53):
Is you know?

Speaker 1 (02:12:54):
Yeah? I mean I know you could. I don't you
could sell me on Mullen Jonathan Smith with a person
at Yeah, let's go to let's go to predict your guy,
jerk guy, Will the next MSU football coach ever win
a Big Ten championship? Sure? Why not just say no?
It would be like, you know, yeah, right, uh, jerk guy.
What happens? First, Tigers win a World Series, Pistons win
an NBA Championship, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup, or

(02:13:17):
the Lions win the Super Bowl. The Lions are winning
this Super Bowl, so that's easiest to Lions winning the
Super Bowl or the NFL? Fully rigs it, jerk guy?
Do you call it frisbee golf disc golf or frolf
disc golf what do you call it? Disc? Oh just golf?
No I did, Sorry, disc'll dis golf. I'm trying to
figure out WHATLF is. Jerk guy, what have you ever
used pea soup as a dip?

Speaker 5 (02:13:39):
That's a good idea, I have not. I love peace soup,
and I think you know that it might be a
g's on the plane maybe tonight. Yeah, pea soup is
a dip. Well, you appreciate all of you and and
for the few we had to skip through there at
the end, very much. Apologize. If if you yours is
still relevant, please resubmit it next week. I'll put your
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