Ep. 1086: Hot Take Monday: Michigan State football's future and Detroit Lions concerns

We dug into our takes and yours — on Michigan State's football program and future, on Jonathan Smith, on MSU accepting CMU's apology, on the Lions and injury concerns and what to do at the trade deadline, on Halloween and more.

Episode Transcript

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(03:46):
Oh sorry, I forgot we didn't win. Hey man, what's
going on doing?

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Okay? Yeah, let's get to these hot takes. He just
doesn't want to move on with I fucking hate sports
sometimes Gray World Series though, no pressure. Time, just got
to beat Colgate by twenty five to make everybody feel
good tonight. Oh where he's right? And going to cover
that spread? Is there? Spread out? I think college basketball
is back?

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, alright. I don't know if i'd touch that spread.
Yeah either because for a couple of reasons. One like,
if you look at Colegate's results last year, they're all
over the place. They played like decent teams to a
two point, you know, two point loss. Are we talking
about crushing tape from Colgate last year? And then I
mean come on, well, and then they played other teams

(04:28):
that weren't very good to like a twenty five point loss.
They weren't as good last year as I stayed the
hell away. If you're if you're betting this, you're just
trying to get over the weekend. That wasn't football trying
to get that money back yesterday. It was a rough
NFL day in a lot of a lot of ways. Yeah,
the only thing that made the weekend great was the
quality of the World Series.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Uh. And that you using the word bloodlust and a
column about Jonathan Smith. I love that. You're welcome. It
was good man, you did a lot of good work
this weekend. No, thank you annoyed me, but you do
good work in the fact of because people often ask me,
like why you compliment Graham? But I hate his work,
and I'm like, I know, but he gets the people going,
Like you don't understand what he's doing is he's getting

(05:12):
the people talking and getting people angry at him, and
he takes the ship. So I see what Graham is doing.
He did a good job this weekend. Well, it absolutely
despise you this morning. I'm not It's not like I
really am annoyed by you, because I'm the people that
want to keep Jonathan Smith. I just I can't go
the shucks and like, ah man, maybe we should keep
him around from like what what are we talking about?
I mean, people have given up, they don't even want

(05:33):
to watch the game against Minnesota, which is rightfully so.
Even though he's the point spread king. I think we
should want him to stay around. It makes some money
off old Johnny boy. Aw shucks, he does he does
keep covering? Or are we making money off ROSSI and
Smith is just standing there? Which one is it? Who
cares about the points spread on the team. Let's let's
talk about it. I do think Jonathan Smith's mistake. I mean,

(05:54):
there were a few mistakes that were made during this one,
and and there are lots of reasons they lost, and
the officiating is of that, and we're going to get
into that during during.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
College football NFL kiss my ass. Definitely, how do you
tackle a quarterback?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
You know?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Definitely a theme Week two in the NFL where like
I hate these weeks, people act like things aren't connected.
How the Colts lose to the Steelers and turn the
ball over five times? The Packers lose of the Panthers
the Lions, was the Viking like all?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I mean, like National tight End Week last weekend where
every fucking tight end scored. I mean, come on, the
NFL's rigged. It's w W E despise it. I think
that I think I love it.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
The mistake Jonathan Smith made at the end of this
game was when he was asked by Connor Eergood about
to judge his performance over twenty one games at Michigan State,
and he did his usual stick about well, not good enough,
you know, and which is fine.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Like people, it's wins and losses at the beginning.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
You do need that accountability right at some point, and
there are coaches who struggle with that accountability. You immediately
go into excuses, and he has not done that. But
this was a moment where I think I I would
have stuck up for myself a little bit like I.
I think it's too late for what's coming out. I
think they're going to make a coaching change at the
end of this year that does not call counter eargot out.
But wn'd you come up here and tell me how

(07:11):
you do it? In hand him the microphone.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I wouldn't call him out. I wouln't make it contentious,
but I would just point out that, you know, you
maybe had your best defensive performance you had, you're missing
some guys, and yet you were pretty good on offense.
You racked up nearly six hundred yards. You had a
new starting quarterback who hung in there, who you've worked
to develop, and you had a young kicker, missed a
couple of field goals, you had a couple of calls
go your way, and you screwed up a couple of

(07:35):
things that didn't go as well. You could have done
better as a coaching staff. But ultimately, like this is
progress because it was tangible progress. It's not enough progress,
it's too late progress. It's not something that's going to
change the tide for him. But these are the moments
where instead of just giving the athletic director standing in
the room a reason to fire you that you just
haven't been good enough, I would I would fight for

(07:57):
myself a little bit. And I think that's I think
he's giving people what he thinks they want to hear,
and at this point that's not it anymore, and it
would be very hard for him to actually give people
what they really wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
JAYE Bat's gonna come up here and tell us why
we don't have enough money to get players here.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Come on, Jay, get up here. I would take that
any sort of emotion out of old Johnny Boy. He
showed a tiny bit on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
But why is it bad for fans to want something
to happen when you're watching everything around you in this
stupid landscape of college football? We have to want a
fan you know, it's I think it's okay for a
fan base to go, what is going on here and
watching the destruction of their favorite college.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Football I think it's one hundred percent okay for a
fan base to say I'd like a change, and I'd
like it now. I think it's one hundred percent okay
for an athletic director to say, I'm working on that,
that change will come in, that change will happen.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Is it okay for fans to say, wow, why don't
we give Jonathan Smith another season? Is whatever you feel?
There's no juice and bringing him back like, I almost
want it to happen so I can see this like
he would have to be the greatest coach in the
history of college football over Nick Saban. Jonathan Smith is
going to turn this thing around with one more year.
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Hold on, I may disagree with it, you may disagree that.
Most people may disagree with that, but it's a fine
argument to have. It's an argument I want to hear,
and it's an argument some fans are gonna make in
our quick take, and we're gonna get into those it's
not Look, I think college football today more than ever
you need momentum. You need some sort of reason to
believe going forward that it can get better, and there

(09:26):
has been none of that under Jonathan Smith, and so
I don't see how that changes between now and the
end of the year. The move to Alessio was a
I don't want to say bold because I was surprised.
I was surprised it bolds too much, but it was surprising,
and I give them credit, Like that's bold out of

(09:48):
Jonathan Smith. Yeah, this feel like it's bold. That's fair. Yeah,
this is the quarterback at Aiden Childs that you've been
tied to. He came with you, that you paid a
lot of money for, and you know obviously you went
with uh Milavoyevitch, which you're gonna get pronounced a little bit.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, e.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Millie is some people call him Milli, but so I
do think and he looked good and the thing the
thing that I mean, he wasn't perfect, and he wasn't
very good in the red zone, and part of that
was play calling and part of that's him thinking he's
Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham or Aiden Chiles in the
red zone and they got a play call differently down
there for that and that run by him that left

(10:26):
them on the right hash that set up that field
goal at that tough angle. You got to make the
field goal, but again that's not the play. You run
the play before, you're gonna have to kick that field
goal to put you on that hash as well. But
the thing he did that was better than Aiden Chiles
has been doing is he hung in there. And that's
a real talent. That's a real gift, that's a real
that's a knack, and it's something that I guess you

(10:48):
could lose your confidence over time. But he hung in
there and took hits and hung in there to the
last second to make throws. And that's the difference that
we haven't seen Aiden childs Aiden Chiles at this point,
and some of it's losing confidence. I do think he
was making progress at certain points early this season. I
think we saw a good quarterback in there, but he
has some instincts that work against him. And if you're

(11:09):
a high school coach and you wind up with a
guy like Aiden Chiles on your team. Listen to me here,
you cannot let that guy cross the line of scrimmage
with his legs until the fourth quarter because at that
stage they have to develop eyes downfield throwing first, and
by the time they get to college, if that instinct
is different, it's too late in a lot of ways

(11:31):
that I've come firmly to believe. And that's part of
Aiden Child's struggles is he knows he can fix it
with his legs in a moment, and he can get
out of things that he can do special things with
his legs, But ultimately to be a successful quarterback, that
can't be your instinct. And what we saw with Alessio
Millie heat Dog. Yeah, Milavoyevitch, I can do it repeatedly.

(11:56):
Otherwise I'm just gonna ask him to change his name.
But is a different knack and that's going to give
him a chance to be a really good quarterback. And so,
you know, had they done this earlier, was when he
came in at Nebraska and was really good, and you know,
was that the moment that he was actually the better
quarterback and they should have gone with him. I think
it was tough back then. But again, you'd want to

(12:17):
have taken much to have this conversation be different for
Jonathan Smith to have a certain third year think about this.
Nebraska sucks. Michigan State should have beaten them. They're six
and three full by Nebraska. They just extended that rule
coach team. They're so fearful of losing their coach, they
just extended them with a new deal. All right, look

(12:37):
at I mean, you got PJ. Fleck is like, you
don't want them?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Leave me. PJ.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Fleck is crowdsurfing into the locker room after beating Michigan State,
who has lost six straight. Now vest with a tie.
Not a very good team, four and two in the
Big Ten, which is horrible things about the Big Ten.
If if you're Tony Battiti, you need to shut the
f up about auto bids to the playoff right now
because you've got a four and two team that looks
like minnesot That can't be your case. You just let

(13:02):
it play out. Okay, that is not good, But they're
as good as Minnesota. They're better than Minnesota in certain ways.
They could beat if they played Minnesota ten times. Other
than their knack for losing the game. Just pound for pound,
they would win that game five times at least. And
so if you win those two games, forget Ucla, that
can be a bad week of UCLA team that found
itself and things went wrong. But if they win those
two games, they're five and four and the conversation is

(13:25):
completely different. And that was completely controllable, and that was
something this coaching staff should have been able to get
out of this team, something this team should have done.
And ultimately, those teams have some sort of momentum somehow,
even though they're awful or at least bad or barely average,
And Michigan State doesn't, and they're probably gonna make a
change of the coach because he doesn't connect with people.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
But you think it's made a choice at quarterback to
maybe make a change in that Nebraska game. I think
that's what separates good coaches. When you do it against Minnesota,
when everybody's giving up on you, Is it that big
of a deal. I think for Smith it was a
big move. But in the grand scheme of things, when
you look at it, is it that big of a move? No?

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Well, and here's the thing. You go back to that
Nebraska game and where things were right the until that point,
there was no evidence that you were going to need
to make a quarterback change. The previous few weeks had
been the best of Aiden Childs's career, even at USC
their previous game, and then he starts getting shaken and
losing his confidence to that game, he does get knocked
out and they bring a Lessio in. It would have
been interesting if they had just left him in the

(14:25):
rest of the way. But at that point in the season,
I mean, I totally get it. Alessio right now, I
think is a better quarterback than Aiden Chiles in certain ways.
Now there's an argument that you want to be really
creative you're trying to win games. I might have gone
back to Chiles in the red zone, down at the

(14:46):
goal line, where you have more options, and he's been
pretty good this season. Like and I would have said
that before the season, because if you're starting Alessio and
you're telling him you're the guy this game, but in
the red zone, we may we may use Aidan Chiles.
That's not insulting him by pulling them out. That's using
all the weapons at your disposal. I might have considered

(15:07):
that because they were not very good in the red zone.
But that's a rough way to lose the official officiating
was I do think these officials might get in trouble
and there will be people look into this because here's
why judgment calls can get you downgraded. There's no question
if you make a number if you're not good at this,
if you make bad judgment calls, you will get graded

(15:28):
poorly as a ref. But how you administer the game
is where refs really get in trouble or where things
really go wrong for them. And when you have a
situation where you call a pass interference and it's called
long enough to the point that you've respotted the ball
that people are lining up for the next play, and

(15:49):
one coach is going berserk, the crowd may have seen
a replay, and then another guy comes in and you
change it. That is an awful look. Whether it was
a legitimate pass interference call and you can argue, you
know it was chintzy. Either way, you don't overturn that call.
And the fact that they did and how they did,
I think will it will be interesting to see if
they if they do get in trouble. I think, as

(16:11):
chrys Lauri put it, he's still waiting from an email
back from the Big Ten on things he asked about
the Michigan game last year. So how quickly we hear back?
I will, But the first time we may hear something
will be next week Jonathan Smith press conference when he
will be asked about it and and we'll find out
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
There'll be an apology. I'm Alliance fan. I'm used to those.
They happen on Monday, it mean nothing, But.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
I don't think he Look, I don't think he's getting
fired before the end of the season. If it was
going to happen, it was, it was going to be
this Sunday. I don't think that was a game that
should lead to that. And you can say, well, they're
bad play calls and other things, but what is the
advantage of firing him now? Jason, you feeling good?

Speaker 1 (16:49):
No, not at all. I don't feel good about the
situation whatsoever. I mean, if you want to keep Smith
in there as the head so head headset where guy
I don't care and watch Rossie jump off there, having
Rossie coach the team and having Smith gone doesn't mean
anything to me. I don't think. I just don't understand
the fan base wanting him to come Smith to come
back for another year like, well, there's very few I

(17:11):
think if you want him to as a placeholder. I'm
just talking about the optics of keeping a guy like
Jonathan Smith a dead man walking when everybody else is
blowing their coaches out. If you don't care about the
optics of that, I just want to be in the
big grand scheme of college football the way it is now,
and that's how you have to act. You have to
overreact bulls. There's no reason to keep Smith in here. Bullshit.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Optics are destabilized. I mean, Florida is a program that
constantly destabilizes itself. LSU is not doing it the right way.
What you want to do if you're Michigan State is
give yourself a chance long term to be the best
program you can be. Whatever that is right. And if
that means you know, Jonathan Smith, you know needs to
be Are they the best program they can be right now?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
But if that means he needs to be fired immediately
for you to long term be better, then did you
do that?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I don't see a reason to get rid. I don't
see a reason to de stabilize things now. I don't
see a reason to put in every player's head that
there's a definite change coming and so you need to
think about your own future and start being meddled with.
I don't see the advantage of it. It doesn't mean
you can't work behind the scenes, It doesn't mean you're
not thinking about exactly what you're gonna do. It doesn't
mean things aren't in motion.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
But is this building momentum Having a dead man walking
coach your football team. When a guy a defensive coordinator
in Rossie, your boy is he's animated, excited, throwing his headset.
I mean it builds more momentum than a dead man
walking having a headset and not saying anything or doing anything. Now,
Joe rossy'ing the wrong things after a game.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
Having an interim coach rarely, now, I understand there are
circumstances where that has worked. Having an interim coach rarely
stabilizes things, rarely improves the situation. You can have Rossi
doing exactly what he's doing now, which is focusing on
the defense, by the way, and getting the most out
of that group. And I think he's doing a nice job,
and they probably should have brought him down to the
sidelines earlier. Another coaching move that probably happened happened too late.

(19:00):
But you don't you if you make a move now,
it's I don't see any reason that that improved that
gives you momentum. All it does is say this shit
hasn't worked and and things are up in the air,
and until you have a new person in place, there
is no momentum anyway. So all you're doing, if you're
in Michigan, say don't watch the rest of the season.

(19:20):
That's fine, Yeah, no, if.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
It really cool, if I check out, then I mean
not the show. I like to tune in for the
talk of it. I'm saying, if I was just a
fan that didn't have a podcast, now you have to
watch this ship, watch basketball, watch the Lions. But if
we're the head coach, I would tune in to see
maybe if there can be some momentum and see how
these guys react to him. I don't know. I just
don't understand how it can be beneficial to the university
in any capacity to keep Smith as a dead man

(19:43):
walking coach and putting him in front of the media
time and time again where he can't handle it. Apparently
he always says the wrong thing, and it's just like,
but that's fine if you want to keep him out
there as the placeholder guy. And then after the season,
if you, I mean, how many more a month after
the season you want to fire him? I mean when
is good? When can everybody be happy?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
If you're gonna make a move, it happens the day
after the final game. Happens that Sunday, Sunday, Thanksgiving week,
all right, that's when it happens.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
All right, Well I would expect most of the fan base,
but like, all right, we'll see you then that'll be back.
Then they've got back. Is that good? Is that momentum?
Is that good for your university? Is that good? I
just don't think it is. I know Jonathan Smith, he's
a nice guy. Oh shucks, and ship you don't want
to fire I mean want to be that's family is
involved and there's gonna be movie.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
No, no, this is not about it. But it's like, fuck,
who cares? This is not about Jonathan Smith. But I
don't think Look, Jonathan Smith is gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
What you do. It was Jonathan Smith, I would be like,
please fire me out here? Here's there are they just
making him earn his thirty million. I mean, there are
other arguments to this, and we'll get into some of
them here in the quick takes in a little bit
because because people make it both ways and and we're
going to get into those bit What is your your
your first take? Listen, Frank Ragnow I'm gonna beg you here.

(20:54):
I know you probably don't listen to this podcast. Maybe
you see it on YouTube. Please what's it gonna take
for you to come back for the lines? What would
we have to do? Fishing boat? A yacht? Will buy
you a yacht to go fishing on after the season,
and I know you have enough money. But Graham Glasgow
is complete I'm sure you know, Frank, He's complete ass
and I can't deal with him anymore. And this offensive

(21:15):
line scares me going forward. Now there's injuries going across
the NFL, and you know, our injuries are not different
than many other teams right now, but my god, that
offensive line and Brian Flores I know it. I know
he's gonna blitz. Everybody that crushes tape knows that motherfucker
is gonna blitz time and time again. And it just
seemed like yesterday the Lions, the offensive line had no idea,

(21:37):
and Gibbs not protecting the golf there missing a couple
of block I mean it, just like Dan Campbell said,
all three phases were absolutely shit yesterday, and for some
somehow we were had a chance to still win that game.
So it's I mean, the sky isn't falling, right. You
lose the Washington next week with the injuries that they have,
then we can start panicking and the sky is falling.
There are a lot of football ebbs and flows of

(22:00):
NFL season our while it blows. But man, did that
game suck yesterday?

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Do you think Frank Ragnow has kept himself in any
sort of shape to play NFL?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Doesn't matter. I don't care if he got fat or
whatever happening. How long has it been. Yeah, usually those
guys drop a ton of weight. We can fatten them
back up. Get him some groovy donuts live read for you.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
But I'm being serious because I don't know the options.
We want to talk about Brad Holmes, the trade deadline
and what he can do for the defensive side. But offensively,
if offensive line, it's so hard to bring in guys
and plug and play those guys mid season. So I
don't know what, but but watching it, you know, a
team like the Eagles and they get their defensive end,
I think they overpaid for the Dolphins guy the defensive

(22:41):
end there for the third round pick. I'm not saying
do something crazy like that, but I feel like on
that other side with Mohammed and we just need to
upgrade that defensive end. We're so close to being a
really good on that defensive line, and that's how we're
gonna win games. Right the offensive the offense scares me
with that offensive line crumbling and having Golf who's immobile,

(23:02):
just really scares me going forward because that offense looked
really stagnant. Yesterday started off great with Laporta. I don't
know why we just didn't keep going to Laporta. A
mon Ra with nine catches yesterday.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
But you still wouldn't that game if you don't get
the Montgomery fumble. True, and so for all the things,
and JJ McCarthy looked pretty good at times, and uh
and he took a lot of shit righting gets to McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Like I say it over and over again, these guys
in the NFL, even backups, they can tear you up.
They're in the NFL, the professional guys. If you can't
get to them, that's the frustrating part. And Alex Angeloni
ainal zone. Fucking hell, this guy wants a contract extension.
And by the way, Jack Campbell, can someone tell me
what a fucking sack is that? That penalty on Jack

(23:43):
Campbell where he like, how are you supposed to sit
there and tackle a quarterback? And then let go at
the end we've talked about it was about and Brady
Brady said it really well on the broadcast. The biggest
problem with it is not only do you punish the defense,
but you punish you reward the offense for not picking
up a blitz And it's a hugely I mean, and
I understand technically maybe it's the right call. They got
to get that out of the sport. They got to

(24:04):
get that kiddy. Tell me then, this is this macaulay asshole,
who's the stats stereotor or whoever it is, Why don't
you come on the air and show me how to
fucking tackle a quarterback? Yeah, that was a bad situation.
Show me that play again and go what did Jack
Campbell do wrong?

Speaker 4 (24:18):
You know the weirdest thing about yesterday watching that game
on the treadmill. That's one does watching on Exfinity, which
damn you had everything going brutal or just a brutal
situation though, and the reason it it reminded me of
the nineteen nineties, Like I watched that game the way

(24:39):
it was going on when they want to go back
to the nineties, Yeah, but it felt like Johnny Morton,
Brett Perriman, Herman Moore, Barry Sanders, like they had all
these weapons, but and it was going to be competitive
and interesting, but they weren't gonna win it. And that's
not the way the Lions have felt for a while.
It felt like an old school, exciting talent Lions team
that doesn't quite have it and they haven't played like
a lot of penalties just they look.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But again it starts with Rag. Now, when you have
a guy that retire like that before a season, you
just can't replace.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Do you do something this just before the trade deadline?
Try to make a movie. You have to, you absolutely
have to. We have to do something in the trade deadline.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
I mean, even if you look at Aiden Hutchinson's contract
at the contract extension that he signed in the second
year a lot of that money is deferred, so everybody's
speculating that that means, you know, Holmes is going to
make a move here, and I just but again, it's
easier said that done when it comes to the offensive
line to get a guy that can come in and
help you, you know, not even like a guy like
rag noow could even if he came back, because.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
He is it worth Like to me, if you're gonna
go make that move, you don't just get a plug,
average guy and give up a third round pick. No,
to me, it's worth the first There has to be
If you're gonna give up a third you need some
upside down the back end of it. I just have
a guy that's a rental like the Hendrickson thing. It's
like he's going to be a free agent after the
season if he wants to re sign with the Lions.
And I can understand if this is your window, which

(25:58):
we all agree it is, right yes, right, right yeah.
I if I'm the Lions, I'm willing to give up
a first round pick to go find the best lineman
that fits what you need on a struggling team that's
not making the playoffs right now. And because granted, like
you would happily spend a first round pick on that player.

(26:19):
So obviously you're not going to do it on somebody's
thirty two years old. And you do have to watch
the contract stuff, and I get if somebody's already been paid,
you may not have the ability to do that. So
maybe it's a younger lineman and those guys are harder
to get. But that's why it's going to cost you
a first round pick. To me, if you're the Lions,
it is worth doing things right now because you are
in a spot where man, I mean, you can see

(26:39):
it some weeks and this was one of those weeks
where it just but.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
I don't think the windows like I hate talking about
the window part of it. I think that we could,
you know, build something to have a future, right, not
just a five year window then we go back to
shit for fifteen years. Like I want to keep it going.
I want to because we have this short window everybody
thinks we have that we just have to get rid
of all of our assets to go for no. I know,
but you know what I mean when we talk about
those windows. I know what you're saying, but I also

(27:04):
don't want to.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
Can they win a Super Bowl right now without adding
the offensive line. No, then they need then that it's
worth spending a first round pick to do it. Sure,
I think you could say that about the defense. The
thing is, if the defensive line, if you added an
edge guy to match with Hutchinson, with a Lee McNeil
and those other guys, I mean, I just think we
could be scary on that side too. But something has
to I mean, I just don't think you can get

(27:26):
through with patchwork when you have a guy like Golf
that's flat footed, that can't make plays on his feet.
You know, he has one or two options and then
it's like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
So I don't know. I'm not giving up yet, baby,
but I mean it was just a terrible loss yesterday,
all three phases. Like Dan Campbell said, you.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Know where you can see the Lions Commanders, Lions, Eagles,
Lions Giants, Lions Packers, Lions Cowboys, and Lions Rams YouTube TV?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
No, no, no, no no. I wouldn't be able to
watch Monday Night Football tonight. So and look God for Infinity. Yeah, Look, every.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
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telling you yesterday, I'm going from watching the NFL games,
I'm watching soccer. I'm watching all sorts of stuff available
Hallmark movies. Flip into the end because I like how

(28:20):
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these listener takes.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
I don't want to talk about the World Series real quick.
That world I mean, come on, we cannot just overlook
the World Series? Is Baseball on the come up here?
Because I mean my wife was talking about this World Series,
her son, my step son. I hate to call him
my steps because it just seems weird because he's like
I met him when he was like nineteen. So anyway,

(29:14):
but he's my step son.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
That's when you met your real son too. Probably I've
never met my Well, actually it was a daughter. I
think I think it was a girl. You're real my really?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah, the one I signed off on you allegedly mine?
So wait, so this but it's not your kid, we
don't think technically, well, I signed off, so it's not.
I have no responsibility, but it might be. But I
was in the Mariy Povich like I would have been
on Mariy Povich in the running, like there would have
been three dudes, and why I would have been one
of them? Do you think, I mean, what of the
odd do you think it's yours? Well, I mean, uh,

(29:46):
the timing didn't work because my mother at the time,
by the way, this was back in like two thousand
and seven, but back so back then, my mother really
wanted a grandchild, and I was like telling her, like,
you're never gonna get one. So she really was like
efforting to try to find out. And we did kind
of a math, which is weird with your mother because
you're talking about blowing loads in a lady. So it's
kind of an awkward situation to talk. Well, you know,
how do you have a kid? Sorry, you mean to

(30:08):
say like that, but when you consum made a so
you're having to tell your mother when's the last time
you formunicated with the lady? And then you know, So
it was a whole mess. Are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Are what a story we're telling? I guess presented by
our friends at Midtown Brewing Company in downtown Lancing. I
blacked out. We were talking about the World Series, and
all of a sudden, I was was your life great
place for a cozy uh meal in November. Chef does
a great job. You will love the menu there, You'll
like the drink selection, and this time of the year
the American stout goes down perfectly.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
But anyway, my stepson, he doesn't really care about anything.
He was even talking about the World Series, you know,
and how great it was. So this is like reaching
all of these people that no, normally don't talk to
me about baseball when they come over for a football song.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Totally was interesting. I was in a bar in Minneapolis
with on a treadmill with a note with other sports writers.
It was Met and Boy Solari and Matt Wenzel and Connor.
You're good watching watching game seven. We watched game six too,
and and the uh it was a great little spot.
But if they were, you know, not not quite mid

(31:13):
Tom Brewing Company or Front forty three, but great spot.
Who had the highest bar tab? Well here's the thing,
So I don't know that, but I did order either way,
it probably was me. I did order excluding food. I
did order meatballs as an appetizer, and then what when
the waitress came back. It was a great meat Spots,

(31:35):
great meatball dish. The waitress comes back for a take order.
The beatballs are so good. I ordered it again. Is
the is the main dish? You had back to back
meat back to back meatballs, and did it back to
back nights.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh, you had four orders of meatballs two days.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
The second day I just did the one meatballs because
there was a really good tomato bisk Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, that's living the life right there. Man. Yep, if
you're just having meatball. Wait. So you ordered meatballs by
the way an app and then ordered it as the entree.
You said running back? You just sold them running back.
It was that good and by the way, you might
that may happen to you. A midtown brewing company, Like
you know, they have some great appetizers that you get
in there. You just love the appetizer, pulled port sliders.

(32:18):
They come back to the table, You're like, I'll take
to take more of those. Let's do that. How many
meatballs per serving? Uh? Or five? Five? Yeah? You ate
ten meatballs in a three hour period? Yeah? Wow, is
that that sounds that much? That's a lot.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I feel I'm expecting like big meatballs. No, well they're
not huge. The small they were they were yeah, mid
size of small. Yeah, they weren't huge meatballs. They weren't small,
but they weren't They weren't like you know, I know
what you're thinking of when you ordered, like that one
meatball the restaurant that's huge.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
It wasn't like that.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
That would ten of those would have would have been
too much even for me.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
It was not it was not.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, it was not that, but yeah, no it was
it was. It was incredible and you know why I
And first of all, they wind up striking uh baseball
strike after this and about a year and blow all
this momentum that would be the dumbest thing ever. That
would be something baseball would do. It would exactly be
something Baseball do. It is incredible and it was a
great World Series. And you know how I know that
I'm back in the baseball I was pissed off when

(33:12):
the Dodgers won it. I found I so bad for
Blue Jays. I know, I found myself rooting so hard
for them. And it would have been weird if, like
the review of that cleek being downe at home plate,
if a review had given them the World Series win.
But there had so many close changes chances I just
could imagine being like, if that happened to the Tigers,
how you would overcome that, how you would even get

(33:34):
up there.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I was thinking about Blue Jay fan and walking out
of that stadium after a bit top of the ninth
being up one run, because I've walked out of Ford Field,
for sure, and I've walked out of co America feeling dejected,
but not in a way a World Series way the
way that they were. Now they have two World Series
from the nineties and early nineties, so you have that
to at least fall back on. It's not a Cubs

(33:55):
back in the day before they won their situation. But man,
oh man, that's the thing about sports. It just scares
me so much to be in that scenario. I think
I would have a heart attack. I think that would
just end me right there, especially in another ten years.
If I'm at COO America just top of the ninth.
It just feels world so hard to keep, so hard
to get back there. You can put together the best

(34:16):
team possible, and you know, and everything has to go right,
and uh, and the Dodgers are just not I mean, look,
this happens to Premier League soccer and I put up
with it, so but you know, basically, somebody should sometimes
just once right the headline when the Dodgers win the
World Series, the headline is actually worst team per dollar
in baseball finishes season. Comma wins World Series because that's

(34:36):
essentially what happened. I mean, that's and that's not the
only reason you win. And there I understand they're a
great franchise and all that. Jeff, can we Askot Morris
if Trek Skouble would would pitch like Yamamoto did in
a World Series before we paid him that giant contract.
Four innings times one hundred pitches, ninety eight pitchesh come on,

(34:57):
pitch count things. Bullshit right, it's not it's not great.
It's not not great.

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(35:22):
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(35:46):
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Nice asshole.

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(36:13):
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let's dig into these these listeners takes all right?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Eric Schultz up first number one, miss ninety percent of
the game at a Halloween party five years ago. The
idea of that would have been outrageous. That's the Jonathan
Smith effect to going from quitting on field versus UCLA
to same old Spartans. Isn't the argument to keep Smith
that some fans are acting like it is and three
ridiculous officiating in overtime? It was bad? That is interesting.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
You talk about Spartan fans checking out, I mean Eric Schultz,
Diehard's part r Jent Dardy Halloween party instead during the day, Yeah,
which you look. I would not fall anybody for spending
their time differently than watching this Michigan State football team.
I think we're at that point for sure.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Keep that guy though dominate Number one. I'm appalled by
that bitch ass statement from Bat and Guskowitz about CMU. No, Graham,
I don't expect them to scream fuck yourselves, but you
talk about meeting people where they are. Can we please
stop taking it in the ass and just pretend to
take a stand once two, I need this administration to

(37:34):
at least fake it. This bend me over while I
stay silent. Was perpetuated by your fellow sexton, Alum Graham.
You can applaud him in twenty thirty six all you want,
but this tail between your leg shit isn't Michigan State,
and I despise that it's everywhere now And bonus counter
Stallion's desperately live tweeting to relevance online whenever JJ McCarthy

(37:54):
completes a pass his peak penis behavior. First, you're still
a cheating bitch. Get your title is tainted. Lastly, JJ
looks like a female soccer coach from Sagatuck. That's the taint. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
People are not thrilled that that Michigan State sort of
accepted CMU's pology, and they have to be more professional,
Like I understand that there's a. There is a level
of anger, and I'm curious to see exactly where this
story goes of it has any more legs at all.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
I's got to be over all, right, what else do
we need to hear? Yeah, the statements happened. I mean,
I was out way too long.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
I am curious the what the apology looked like from
CMU in that communication and maybe some I let's let's yeah,
let's put a I'm sorry. I guess yeah, sorry about that.
But you're you're not alone, Dominic. There are a lot
of people and people who listen here are unhappy with that.
And I think this is one of those things if
you're a new ad and you come in and you

(38:56):
weren't around at that time, or or you know. I
think if you're an outside it's it's it's an issue.
But it doesn't seem like this huge, huge, huge deal.
And maybe I'm reading that wrong and how they read it.
It was a very professional response and an understanding response,

(39:17):
and I don't think that's like.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Can you be professional and a little snarky, Yeah, a
little more snark like Dominic said, I understand, you can
go fuck you guys. You know that was a terrible
a power. Like you know, I feel like there's a
way to add a little snark to it, you know,
probably before the fall, coach d Yeah, yeah, Vibe. You're
totally right. There could have been a little snark. They
should have.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
In fact, every public relations department everywhere should have one
person on staff who really specializes in snark, because every
once in a while you need a little snark, and
you need it done tactfully and rightfully and sometimes professionally.
But snark isn't coordinator. Yes, the snark coordinator. That should
be a position on every.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Staff, Maddie B Next, just once. I want this athletic
department to grow a pair and stand up for the school.
That statement about CMU's apology was wet toilet paper. If
it were a real apology, the head coach wouldn't be
employed in that athletic department. Still, and too, Graham needs
to sit with Lingrin and tell him stories in the
booth at least if Lingren is a sleep. At least,

(40:14):
if Lingrin is a sleep, you can't call short side
tosses twelve yards deep in the backfield and three you're
about to walk away with thirty million. How about we
just drop a few f bombs in the press conference
about the screw job that happened to your guys. Bat
has to say something two weeks in a row, maybe
we'll be good soldiers and give our private equity money
to other schools. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
The problem with the officiating in the in the overtime
wasn't just the I mean, the one call that got
changed late in how that happened was not great, but
it was the culmination of it. It was the fact
that both those things happened where you get a it
looked very much like the Minnesota quarterbacks foot was out
of bounds before he crossed the goal line. You get

(40:57):
that on top of the past interference called it that
was switched, and there were some other things that weren't
great in that game. It's in overtime that much on
the line with you know, I mean, you got a
coach who's waiting the CrowdSurf in the locker room like
this is a big deal of Minnesota. But it's it's
a it's a staff, it's coaching for its job. It's
a it's a group of players in Michigan say that

(41:18):
I have won five games. This game meant something to them,
and you've got to officiate it with the same level
of care and accountability. And I don't think that was done.
And that's that's too bad. I will be curious to
see what what what comes out of this, Parker Wize.
Next Number one, if college refts were any more ass
they'd literally be donkeys with whistles to please. For the

(41:39):
love of God, MSU basketball, save us from the immense
shame that football has caused us. In three, Ben Johnson,
NFL Coach of the Year, bear down mm bear down
my balls.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Gaun too, since it was entertaining all since they know
they do they do, they do. But I had two
Bear fans over Oh yes, Bears, Oh man, I bear
down my balls.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Did you not think that could happen? Well, I think
what could happen? And then so were you guys watching
both games? Yeah, dude, I have three TVs.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I mean we put TVs up so the one TV
there's only usually two, but if we have a situation,
there's a third one that's wheeled in. And yeah, we
had the sports game on what were the three TVs?
Lions Vikings red Zone on the bottom TV and then
Bears Bengals. That's on the third.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
It's a nice setup. Something you can do well with
Exfinity by the way, Yeah, yeah, anybody can do it.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
TVs. They're trying to give TVs away. My sister was
at Costco and sent me there was like a sixty
inch TV. It was like under two hundred dollars. Yeah,
what are we doing here? We love sports, let's watch them. Yeah, Parker,
I know read that King lions next criminal pass interference
call needs to be investigated and explained immediately. This was
not just a bad call. This called into question the

(42:52):
integrity of the game and bonus, a non reviewable play,
once announced on the field, cannot be overturned. What's fishy?
As no one included but it's Smith, including Smith, seems
to think it's a big deal. Yeah. I mean, you
know what, he could have done a lot with a
fan base if he would have gotten Smith.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Smith's strength is not when they get screwed on the
field or things aren't well with the officials.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
He processes it very just it's not.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
Yeah, it does not lead to anger, and that's just
not who he is. And frankly, that doesn't when you've
got a when you're losing, that doesn't work with a
fan base. It especially doesn't work with a fan base
that's been as frustrated as long as mission. Does that
work in college football period?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Well? Does it work in football? High school, college pro? Yeah?
You know you have your head coach that can't even
get pissed off. You know.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
The story that that a job done is like talking
to Oregon State fans about what they thought about him
and his reactions early in that tenure there. Now he
was one of theirs. I mean, imagine, you know, imagine
Max Bulla comes back, gets the Michigan State job, but
all of a sudden shows zero emotion. But it's Max
freaking Bulla.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
How the hell is he going to show no emotion? Uh?
It Spartholomew next number one? What is this? Mill Millie V? Oh?
I like it. Millie V has the major Matt stafford
in him. Will make a tough SOB for whatever team
he plays for next, hopefully MSU. And to the Lions
game taught me two things. No more Brady Burkhardt calling

(44:21):
our games I don't think we've ever won. And no
more buys see the last Commanders game and they weren't
very good. Out of a B.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
It was weird. It was just weird. You should be
better out of buying. And also, I think what bothers
people is is the McCarthy Brady think Brady was very
proud of. McCarthy was very clear the Michigan thing going on.
You could just hear it in his voice and ands
a penis. He's a weird, weird dude. And to to
be fair to Brady, that last throw to seal the
game by McCarthy was a big time throw and so good. Yeah,

(44:52):
I'm glad for him. Who are we happy for here?

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Brady? You know what, Brady's great. He's great on those
shows where he just like tells you what's going on
on in a play, like he's got the whole like
TV's in front of them, like on a set and
all that stuff, kind of like Kobe Bryant did years ago,
kind of taking you behind the scenes. That's where Brady's amazing,
long form kind of stuff. This, Yeah, g Miller Lesseeo's

(45:14):
lack of mobility showed how truly bad this MSU offensive
line is. If Minnesota is getting six sacks in one half,
something is seriously wrong. It's a miracle he hung in there.
If Chiles leaves. Take that bloate at nil and put
it into five offensive linemen and a few defensive lineman
upgrades and baked. This Lion's offensive line just ain't the

(45:35):
same as past few years. As a result, third in
the division this year seems like a reality unless they
can get some immediate, immediate help before the trade deadline.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
I still think, I mean, they're gonna battle with the
Packers here all the way through, but there's no way
they're worse than second this division. The Bears are not
that good. The Bears are not great. The Vikings are.
I think, while they can play up and I think
the Vikings are scary on a given day, and that's
why you'd rather them not be part of the playoffs.
I don't think the Vikings are going to consistently make
a run and put up. The Lions offense just has

(46:05):
more more to the But that was a bad It
was a bad game. It was a nineteen nineties Lions game.
It was like the best of the nineties and those man,
I mean special teams, they were shit.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
It was bad. It was bad. Yeah, Jared, the MSU
offense will be really bad no matter who who is
that quarterback. I still think Chiles should be the starter.
Terrible play calling and enemy territory and sacks on third
and fourth down is why this team can't be can't
put up points.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Well, you're not going back to Chiles after that performance
by Alessio.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You just can't.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Mean he was over three hundred yards and I understand
he wasn't perfect, and there are a couple of plays
that if he had made, they win the game. But
he did more than enough. Like if Chiles had had
that sort of performance, there's no way maybe making the
change the other way. And so at this point, and
again I'm not anti using Childs to your advantage where
it works. If you think there are situations in short

(46:55):
yardage or the red zone where I mean, you have
this guy with these these you know he's been good
in the red zone. Is this sort of gift of legs?
Use him and explain that to both quarterbacks. I don't
think that's so.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You think Chiles is done as the starter, like you
think he might play in some like situations, Yeah, he's done.
You make that move. You don't go back that the
Childs would want to put something on tape, right, I mean,
this is a big boy.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
I mean, this is not how it works. You don't
get to I understand, But I mean unless and not
only that, if if you're now, what's really interesting about
this move. If the coaching staff does not think they're done.
And I think they probably know they're done. But if
the coaching staff does not think they're done, this is
an interesting move because this basically you're moving on from
Chiles beyond this year, and certainly I think the the

(47:38):
hope of keeping a lesso around now. He's putting a
lot of things on film, and he'll have offers to
go elsewhere. But he's also if he's you know, establishes
himself as MSU starter over the final four games of
the year, it's you know, he'll be curious about who
the new coach is and what that situation is and
whether it makes sense to be there. And if you're
a new coach and you've got a young quarterback who

(47:58):
shows the things he is, you want to make him
a prayer. I think there's a you know, there's a
real chance that that guy is your quarterback the next
couple of years.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Professor Chiles is Devin Gardner not enough to lift a
bad team around him, and bonus. If you have to
verbally explain your Halloween costume to more than fifty percent
of the people you come across, it stinks.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Yeah, I mean, what's the I don't know. I think
if it's an inside joke and you appreciate it. This
is somebody who went as Gavroge twice for Halloween from
Blame is a rob sixth and seventh grade, so and
you had to explain to everyone. Yeah, I mean, and
you're still in middle school. It's one thing if you
do it now like people now, it's like Gavroge for
Blameans it's kind of cool in sixth grade. Not cool,
you know what I mean, Like not as cool, definitely

(48:41):
not as good. It's never been cool. I don't think
it's cool now in certain circles. But you know, yeah,
well I like it.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I think that if you do it for work and
you have to kind of I don't know. I think
I can agree with that though, if you more than
half the people don't know what the fuck you are.
But not Munfield Keg. Former players have said that you
you can tell the quality of your team by how
your special teams play well. We missed two field goals
and kick the ball out of bounds on a kickoff.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
This team stinks, Yeah, I mean the mission. Look, Contington
has been pretty good this year as a kicker for
Michigan State, and it was an area they had a
lot of concerns. And I don't think when the kickers
just missed field goals that it entirely speaks to the
special teams overall. I think kicking the ball out of
bounds bigger, bigger mistake because you can do a lot
of things right on special teams and just have a

(49:28):
kicker and missus field goals and it's like that, is
that the special team's coaches faulled is that I don't
I don't necessarily go with that, And I think the
special teams has been good at times this year. Now
they've had some some not great days as well. I
think this team is this team is a team you
just don't think it's going to finish the game. I

(49:49):
think that's where you know things are wrong. Like you
just had a feeling when they scored, they scored too
early and Minnesota's offense was not very good, was going
to go down and get something. You had a feeling
in overtime that they weren't going to win. It was
just you don't expect this team to win. And that's
that's just part of the DNA and I it we
just haven't seen that change under undersmith Kurt was Newski.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
The college rafts for MSU Minnesota game were completely smelly
ass bonus, the all coaches except Joe Rossi should have
been fired on Sunday. There's no reason to allow them
back on campus. Yeah, ban them from campus, Yeah, get
out of here.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah yeah, I wouldn't go. I mean the Rossie is
obvious bloodlust right there, that's Graham.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
There is a little blood lust for him.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
There's nothing, Yeah, there is. And and again I'm not
saying people should be frustrated, upset and whatnot, but there
is definitely a bloodlust for him. That's that you that
you see and you feel and and and it is
somewhat understandable. And it's just why the people who have
that aren't the athletic director like you have to do
what you have to make rational decisions based on what's

(50:57):
best for the long term situation of the pro And
again that's if you can explain why getting rid of
him in the middle of a season or late in
the season is worth it with all the variables at play,
and it makes sense then you do something like that.
But if you can't, then you don't.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Is O's no longer got to go next couch. The
reason for getting rid of Smith now is so we
don't have another D'Antonio situation behind on hiring a replacement,
lose a recruiting class, and now lose a portal cycle.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Very I mean, it's not like Smith's gonna decide in
February that he's he's done. Like, that's not how this
is gonna work. And if you wouldn't have a coach
in place, like if you it'd be one thing if
like you know, Okay, they've announced they're hiring Pat Fitzgerald
and he's recruiting again, right, But that's not how this
is likely to work. You're gonna have an introm You're

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gonna have everybody knowing that everything's been upended. A lot
of your players are gonna think they're gonna get in
the portal. You're gonna have a you know, it just
doesn't it just pre it's chaos, not momentum, and it's
it's very different in the timing of D'Antonio versus this,
you're just not You're not getting behind right now. There's
nothing that Florida or LSU are doing today that's getting

(52:11):
them ahead at Michigan State and not. I mean the
LSU is you know they're doing stuff. Well, they got bigger,
they got a bigger problem as the governor on it. Yeah,
that's not it's not. Can you imagine if Whitmer came
out and just said, that's it taking over this. We
should have asked her that when she was on the show.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Uh BPA. For the life of me, I don't understand
how refs are allowed to throw flags then pick up
the flag with no reason given, not talking about the
ones where the ref says I had a better angle
talking about refs just simply saying I didn't see what
I thought I did. Yes it did.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Yeah, I mean I'm curious that the ref who threw
the flag, what was his Did we check his apps?

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Like on his phone? Can we see is that a
part of the apology where we get to see his
gambling naps?

Speaker 4 (52:55):
I do think the refs need to be a bigger
part and more a part of the post game, and
it shouldn't have to be so one of the things
that's challenging is is they say, well, you can have
a pool reporter go and do this sort of thing,
and you can request it at a certain point. It's
hard to do right late in overtime. Number one. Number two,
it also takes that that reporter out of everything else
they were doing, which may sound like a great deal

(53:18):
for fans, and maybe that's the bigger story. And usually
you get some blocking, but if you're trying to do
a million other things, be it quick takes or some
running gamer or get down, or you've got this idea
you need to talk to this coach about, and instead
you've got to spend your whole time on an official
and you don't get any of that other stuff done
that doesn't actually serve your The officials ought to be
just readily available. They ought to expect to answer questions

(53:41):
after every game unless they're not asked. There ought to
be somebody from the crew, the head of the crew,
who just knows that they've got to stick around and
there's going to be you know, three to five minutes.
Availability doesn't have to be a huge press conference, but
they know that there's going to be availability with them.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
What if we had Hondo do it well, then you
win the rest to get to know Hondo and they'd
be like, I am never making a bad call ever again,
so I don't have to talk to this guy.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
The problem is if he brought back the quote, you
wouldn't know if it was the real quote that's true,
so then you know whe there is different issues could.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Be up in the air. Mark V. If the Spartans
had started mill Dog from the beginning of the season,
they'd be Bowl eligible right now.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
By the way, that's not what Mark D wrote. That's
what Jason is. I love these different names Millie MILLI Yeah, they'd.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Be Bowl eligible right now, and Smith would have a
new contract to keep U. C l A from poaching him.
Damn Millie could have saved his job. But I mean,
I also think mill Voyevich has sounds so natural when
you say I've worked on it, this is like my
whole Sunday. I also think that he has improved. I

(54:49):
mean his first pass was a pick six this year, right,
so like it's not like he is, you know, I
think they've developed him. I think he's improved. I think
the Nebraska game was the moment where he looked like
where that guy might be, something might be ready, and
I do wonder so he his most extensive playing time
other than until Minnesota was against Ucla. They did make

(55:11):
a move in Ucla against Ucla, and in that game
if he had that was his worst game too. His
completion percentage was below fifty percent. They didn't really if
he had come in that game and looked great against Ucla,
they might have made a move then like he might
have forced their hand. And so it wasn't like they didn't.
There wasn't some opportunity for him. Holt harve next number one.

(55:35):
While the officiating was complete ass MSU two failed MSU's
two failed red zone trips what lost the game. All
three offensive plays after the long Marsh catch were doomed
to Childs should get to get the call whenever MSU
crosses the fifteen yard line. He's the reason MSU had
a high red zone percentage, but with limited attempts, he

(55:56):
can be Alex Org with a better arm and bonus,
it must suck to have you fate tied to a
nineteen year old kid making mistakes. Two special teams plays
at Nebraska and one more play at Minnesota. Take your
pick of many, and this team has two more wins.
D'Antonio used to talk about needing to win two or
three plays that will decide a game, learning how to

(56:18):
measure up, or finding the inches. Smith needs to give
the fan base something, anything to tell us they're close.
I suppose it's too late already, as Graham said, but
this seems like a textbook example of losing your own narrative.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
This is where being a good communicator is is important,
and optics can be important to some degree. Look at
Joe Rossi. Joe Rossi could be speaking in tongue and
not even coaching the defense. He could have lost it entirely.
Nobody would know it. Everybody would think that guy's great.
Look at him, high five in people, look at him,
look at the emotion. That's what people are so desperate for.

(56:51):
I do think one thing that Smith has not done well,
and it's not his strength, and it's a problem, is
make the case for himself. Make the case, sell himself,
Sell what's going on here, Explain why, and maybe you know,
dismiss credit. I don't think he's somebody is great at
lying to people, and I don't know that he thinks
they're that close. I don't know that he knows they're

(57:12):
going to have the resources. I don't know that he
thinks it's going to get a lot better. I think
he's got concerns probably about the whole way it's going,
and it's it's you know, so what.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
A better reason to move on?

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Well there you go, and uh what do we talk?
And I do wonder at some point And I'm sure
he's battling for his job right now, but when he
looks back at this, you know, three four years from now,
he may be like, man, that was a blessing to
move on when I did.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Alex Mayer, I am honestly torn on Jonathan Smith. The
reasons to cut ties are obvious, but this team has
yet to give up on him. The idea of going
up against so many top teams also looking for a
coach is tough, and most of the talent on this
team are either transfers, are young guys. He brought it.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
You got huge advantages if you're MSU against these other
schools because you do yeah, because they're going to screw
these these other schools have to make the splash.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
They have to.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
There's a certain type of you know, it's it's just different, Like,
there are plenty of guys out there who would fit
what m SU needs, and you've got to go find
them and and be successful that LSU couldn't even consider
because they couldn't sell that. They got to sell it
to the governor for Freak's sake, you know, they say
Freak's sake. I'm sorry, but anyway, I don't.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I do not think.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
I do not think that's an issue on whether you know,
in terms of guys, you know, the talent he brought in,
whether you're you know, you want him. That's that's a
fair opinion. If you think people have if a coach
deserves more than two years and and they haven't given
up on them, that's that's that's a fair opinion. I
think most people would disagree with that, and I don't
think that's probably where ms u's administration is. But because

(58:50):
nobody here's the thing silence is telling, right, we haven't
heard from you know, Izo really hasn't said his uh,
Jonathan Smith's name. He sort of spoke it up to
how difficult it is to be an early coach and
how tough as a young coach and in a program
trying to build something and being in a tough spot
and supporting him, and he's well.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
He did make one comment back to the white elephant
in the room. There you go. They don't want to
deal with the white elephant in the room.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
We haven't heard from j bat Kevin gusko Witz Moore
talked about just the pride of being a spartan and
all that stuff. But there is you know, if if
there was a chance that he was likely, if there
was support for him, we would hear it. And we're
not hearing it. And that silence is telling Ralph e next.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
There is a definite shift over the weekend and some
folks opinions on if Smith should stay or be fired
on X and the message boards. Many are now saying
stay because of the cost, build a base of recruits,
use the money for nil over a buyout and bonus.
How long did it take Graham to learn to spell
mi I L I V O J E v I C.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
So it I did copy and paste it the first
six or seven times because I was worried I would
wait a yeah. And the problem is, you know on
a keyboard there it's it's one L with two eyes
around it. So it looks kind of like, you know,
you can yourself on your balls everywhere. It's just a
lot of a lot of order. Round of those shift

(01:00:15):
in the weekend from sports from folks on the message sports.
That's that's interesting that you would say that I and
and on ex I think there are people who recognize
that they haven't quit on him. I don't know how
many people think this should this should continue, but there's
obviously a portion, and it's a reasonable thought given their
usual timeline. You give a coach, right, you can't keep

(01:00:37):
giving coaches, you know, twenty one games two years to
make up your mind. I think the problem Smith has
is not just the losing. It's his inability to connect
and that is it's the personality part of it, and
that's just something that he's He's not going to be
able to win back the pan base. I just don't
see any way he can. And I'm not saying fans

(01:00:59):
should be the reason entirely you make a move, but
donors should be to some extent, and the fans are out,
they are the customers. I like, I'll be very curious
to see what the crowd looks like against Penn State,
what the crowd looks like at Ford Field against Maryland.
I think that will be telling because people are gonna
start speaking with their time in wallets.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Lucas Graham, Graham, Graham, Graham, Graham, Graham, Graham Gram. Chances
that Smith actually gets twenty twenty six to write this ship.
I'm getting a bad feeling. He's staying, yeah, I'm not
there from what I'm not there. Yeah, even Couch, Michigan
state mouthpiece. I mean he's even saying like, I don't
see it happening. I mean, come on for what because

(01:01:41):
he covers the spread, mister Benjin. The number one reason
Smith has to go is because he's late on everything,
late on understanding the Michigan rivalry, laid on getting rossy going,
laid on the QB switch, et cetera. Yeah and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeahultimately, they lost six straight Big Ten games in year two,
and there just doesn't seem to be any like it
would be one thing if it was, like, man, people
like this guy. They're raising money for this guy. They've
got a plan moving forward. The recruiting class is good.
You know, this is a tough year. That's just not
the vibe. And I think that's that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Adam next, At what point does not firing Smith start
to reflect negatively on Bat. I realize it isn't easy
to raise money for a buyout, But I thought he
was supposed to be good at raising money. Bat efed
up concessions and doubled general parking. Screw that pompous entitled
the Wow for shots of Bat. Look, I think it

(01:02:43):
takes more time to get things together. I do not
think he thought, as he's making relationships and trying to
get you know, the lay of the land, that he
was gonna have to make a move this year.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
And but he had to know it as a possibility. Yeah,
but this is PB and we don't know what he's done.
We don't know what he has going behind the scenes,
you know. I do think there are some concerns financially
across the board at Michigan State. It's not you know,
in athletics is only a small like when you see
what's going on with MSU is a university financially that

(01:03:16):
that's not something not to be concerned about from an
athletic standpoint too. And I just don't think we know
what's been going on. I think you can be disappointed
in the concessions. I don't think that's been great. I
also think that it was absolutely fine when you had
like community groups doing it. I didn't see an issue there.
But whatever that's and you can be upset about parking

(01:03:38):
or costs or changes and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I just don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
We know what's going on behind the scenes entirely, and
there are little signs of things that I think. I mean,
I think, I think he's working hard at this. I
think this is occupying a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Of his time and this is this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Yeah, I mean he's not you know, he's not home
watching the Lions and well, bunch of the Lions a
little bit. It's from Georgia anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Right DFB. MSU has a momentum problem as much as
the talent gap. Every time they get a chance for momentum,
they shoot themselves in the foot. Speaking of talent gap,
how the hell is Minnesota six and three? College football
is broken? And bonus MSU found its quarterback. Maybe we
can trade the other one making millions for a rush

(01:04:21):
end and an offensive lineman. What a fun sport. And
from David Jackson with a big ten deciding to have
MSU lose because of the crooked officiating two straight weeks.
I say, f the big ten, Let's make this work
with Smith, keep him and use buyout money to instead
get offensive linemen and Russians.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
So I do think the finances of it is something
that's important here. People talk about, well, you know, if
you don't have to spend on Childs, you know there's
money to be had for other people. And just's some
degree that's true. You're gonna have to pay a lesson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
If you're thinking that way, aren't you dead in the
water anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
And you're gonna have to spend on a less EO.
And and the thing about defensive tackles in college football,
they're almost as expensive as quarterbacks. That's the challenge. You
can't rebuild your defensive line with Child's money. You can
maybe get one defensive lineman. That's about it. And that's
that's the problem in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I mean, I'm just saying, if you're talking about keeping
Smith because you want to use that money elsewhere, that
means you're not going to be at a level of
a program to compete for a national championship anyway. If
you're worried about a thirty million I know it's a
lot of money. But I'm just saying, as we talk
about in today's college football landscape, if you're sitting there
and going, well, let's keep a dead man walking, so
we can use thirty million on a couple defensive ends

(01:05:30):
in an offensive lineman. By the way, I can't do
it for every national media boob out there who thinks,
you know that college football is in this great place,
Minnesota being six and three, Nebraska being six and three
and acting like this is like the Big Ten has
got to give NBCCBS and Fox three premier games every
week and this is what you have. I mean, I'm sorry.

(01:05:51):
It is not a good product, and so you know,
maybe work on the fifty five minutes of commercials, work
on it, you package it. People are still obsessed with it,
but they're if you were watching Michigan State and Minnesota
on Saturday, you were a Michigan State or Minnesota fan,
or you were somebody who hated one of those schools,
or you were really bored, or it was on a
second TV. It was not what you did with your Saturday.

(01:06:13):
Just if you were a casual college football fan or
sports fan, and that that's a six and three team, right,
that's a coach who was crowd serving after the game.
John Naughty Next Michigan State Present Tense is a basketball school.
It's the American way, except America has gotten soft.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
It's pretty it's still pretty split in terms of interest
and what serves the soul and it all. But you
know what's funny is I have tried to do this
what is it called a survey many times, and even
in the height of football, basketball is always I'm wrong
on this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I guess is there like an official survey or just
you ask like people that I ask people on Twitter
to vicinity of I don't think people really understand what
the question.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
It can't be what you're happiest about or what their
best at. It's what stirs the soul. It's what would
you rather have a national championship in. It's what makes
you angrier after you lose. It's what drives you to
be a fan, and that's what makes you. What is
a basketball or football school? And so that's that's the

(01:07:21):
thing like Indiana's going through now. Everybody's saying it's a
football school, and there's some arguments that everybody's a football
school and football gets going that people would rather have
a football national title there than a basketball national title,
but that will be tested. Yeah, it's but right now
I think focusing on basketball is probably the healthy thing
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Some dude next number one. While not dead inside my
insides are on life support. Only Iszo and groovy donuts
can save me. And to baseball, managers take their best
players out of games way too early. Pinch runners never
do shit, and of course they can't hit when they
come up to bat. And three three percent of a
billion is thirty million bat needs to figure these rich

(01:08:02):
fucks out instead of doubling my hockey ticket prices.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Yeah, things are getting less fun, that's that's for sure,
more expensive, less fun, groovy donuts, muscos, flannels, we're all here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
But when it's going poorly, do they make the tickets cheaper?
Like we're talking about Ford Field and this fucking yeah
game is gonna be a litt cheaper tickets or.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
You can watch it home on Infinity But it's yeah,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Uh, there could be seventeen people at that game. Should
we talk about with which one at the Ford Field?
At the end of the year, I.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Think more people will do it just because it's it's indoors,
something to do with your family that Thanksgiving weekend. I
think you can take a frisbee and throw it in there.
And there was a pretty good crowd there for that
Penn State game. And the situation won't be any worse
than it was there and they got hammered in that one.
I mean that was I think it'll be a decent crowd, all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Right, sparty barb next, Kurtang scores double digits in Monday's opener,
and we'll shoot thirty five percent from three to the
three point line. And bonus congratulations to MSU women's soccer
for punching their ticket to Saint Louis.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
They will beat UCLA Thursday. It's the women's soccer team
is this is a big This is the area. They've
struggled in most the Big Ten tournament semifinals and finals,
even winning the Big Ten championships, even having NCAA tournament success.
And the reason it's important that something to pay attention
to is they're kind of on the cusp of I
think having a chance to host. Beyond that, they'll host

(01:09:24):
the first round game like they usually do because they're
RPI and all that stuff's good enough. They were to
win the Big Ten tournament, I think there's a chance
they get the host into the Sweet sixteen, which would
make a huge deal towards trying to make a run
on a Leite eight and all that stuff and have
that in an estiencing, which would be a really fun
environment and something to pay attention to. So this weekend
in Saint Louis, keep an eye on MSGU women's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Soccer Doctor Patterson. Next, MSU look better with the new
quarterback in Seo, but the team made too many mistakes
to win at Minnesota. Miss short field goal was killer?
Is that magic? Johnson Bonus Rossi still looks like the
most active coach on the sidelines. But Jonathan Smith was
finally seen talking to a ref. Miracles can happen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
He was annoyed. He was annoyed. He was not happy now,
he did not all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Set not working. He was asking him a ref, but like,
how does he know where to plug it in the
back and you turn this off? Can you look in
the back and see if that thing's plugged in? Still? Ref?
Oh no, my bad. He's a good guy though. Matt Shepherd,
Hall of Famer, josh in Wood, are we really gonna
ride or die with this current Lions team and go
the rest of the season without making any moves. Just

(01:10:30):
like the Tigers. This team is a few pieces away
from making it a run, and our window is for
a Super Bowl is slowly closing. Come on, Brad Holmes,
do something. I do think Detroit fans are scarred by
the trade deadlines in baseball, scarred by everything. Yeah, so
the baseball. If you're root for Michigan State, you got
to coach this dead man walk. He would never make moves.

(01:10:51):
Brad Holmes has to make some sort of move here, right,
He has to. I mean there is a part of
me that is worried that he's not. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie. Alec Baldwin's prop gun next forty
five million per year for a defensive end that gets
one tackle per game and at least one personal file
per game seems like a typical lines investment. Shut up. Two,

(01:11:12):
what are the chances they renamed the Heisman Trophy the Underwood?
This guy is trash? And Three will any journalist investigate
why the DPI was overruled? Doubtful. I think it's going
to be looked into. I think we need a Pablo
tore around here. Yeah, yeah, Pablo Tory investigative journalist. So

(01:11:33):
when you go, hey, Pablo, go find that story. Yet,
who is that here?

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
You could you could definitely do well for yourself, even
if you're like you wanted to make it on your
own as a as an independent business and you had
a sub stack or whatever you were doing and you
were doing that level of work, which he does great stuff.
But it's not like what he's doing is beyond the
scope of a lot of people. It's just that it
takes time and the decision to do that, like, you know,
for a news organization, you know, And are.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
You thumbing your nose at Pablo Torre's investigative journalism? I
did not know. I mean, I do wish, I do know.
I'm not the guy brought us this. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
What he's doing is incredibly entertaining, if not always important.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Alan Pearlstein next this year's Spartan football team would lose
to Harlan Barnett's team. Bonus, injuries have never been more
prevalent and impactful in the NFL than they have been
so far this year. I don't know if I mean,
it feels like it. But that's ever as Field Daniels.
I mean, why was he in that game last night?

(01:12:35):
Dislocated his elbow? Tucker Craft, He's going to be out
for the year for the Packers.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
I mean, not a bad deal for the Lions going
into Washington, although I don't think was beat up too. Man,
I don't think Washington was going to beat them. The
team that looks for real and has for a few
weeks of Seattle like that defense is is something that's
that's a that's a team that you want. You want
a reason to have home field. You don't want to
face them on the road in the playoffs. I don't

(01:13:00):
in Seattle a lot of football left.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Adam Graham, you need to stop with your fluffing of
the inadequate hall This thing Haller will be praised someday.
Smith deserves more time. What's next your expose on how
Vladimir Putin is just misunderstood. Plenty of people doing that already,
or maybe why Fred Human has the idea ideal male figure.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Nobody shaming here. I mean I felt all of Fred
Human none. Yeah, how am I fluffing the inadequate? I
mean other than I mean, I mean Haller will be praise.
I mean, I'm just saying he was really good in
certain You're just can't see that ovation. That's the problem.

(01:13:45):
I think he will get an applause when they flashed
to his you know, on the big.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Screen, kind of applause, like nice clap, a nice a nice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
No, it won't be like people will look up and go, hey, wait,
I remember that. It won't be a roar. I'm not
saying it's like this, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Well, that's like saying if they put couch the roob
on the thing on the thing that I think eventually
they would. People would just be like, yeah, Haller's gonna
get this this ovation. I don't know, Max Graham, have
you considered hiring some personal protection, outing one of your
listeners jobs, snitching on your on the elevator operator, giving

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out the addresses of MSU coaches, and making fun of
Fred Human on a weekly basis.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Better watch your back, man. That's why I have a
Muskox flannel. I felt all of Fred Human.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
How are we making fun of Fred Human? By the way, Well,
Fred Fred does it to himself, That's what I mean. Yeah,
and Fred, this is not like if Fred was just
you know a large man who was it was nice,
it was not entertaining in the lots of other ways,
like Fred will be Like in the middle of press conferences.
Fred will take a phone call and just start and
a look at him like what are we doing? Like

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he's just talking and you can hear it, you know,
like Fred is a wildly entertaining stout about a story idea.
It's in the middle of it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Right now you're stuttering or I'm not cicking it up
because it's a where Jeff Peterson, how about an unpopular take?
MSU needs to keep Smith at a time when the
state of Michigan is piecing together ways for people to eat.
We should not accept paying thirty million to not work.
Give him the tools and time to buy the team

(01:15:40):
better whatever that he left that Yeah, and from Chris
the media gave up on Smith. The vocal fan base
gave up on Smith. The Boosters were never in on
Smith to begin with, but the players show they're still
fighting for him, especially the young guys. Smith is a
team builder. Give him time to develop his guys and
it will pay dividends hashtag trust the process. Yeah, well,

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we can root for him at Toledo next year. Jason
Kandell gets a job and he can go to Toledo
prove everybody wrong. So here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
If I don't hate this point though, not accepting paying
people thirty plus billion not to work, if we wanted
to have that throughout, I would be okay with it.
I would be okay with the idea that coaches you
had to keep them unless they misbehaved through their contract
and we had to That would be an awesome way
of like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
What, yeah, I don't I don't have enough time for
all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
That would be an awesome way of really putting it
on universities and athletic departments to give people responsible contracts.
If Brian Kelly had to coach to the end, if
Napier at Florida had to coach to the end, if
all these guys had to coach to the end, and
it wasn't just an MSU situation. I would be okay
with that. I would love that. Actually, I would find

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that because I do think there is Like I'm sports
is a great escape, and I appreciate all the intensity
and the passion that that drives the show and readership
and fandom, and it's but people want.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
They're gonna start going to cider mills and stop reading
your columns because no one's gonna give a shit. Because
I got to sit through two more years of old
Johnny Boy Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I just hope there's another show somewhere where they're having
takes about snap benefits that are equally as passionate.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
That's all I hope. That's what I have. The fantine
of Southern main.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Fontine, great lay mischaracter. I dream to dream, no no,
no no, we to talk about snap benefits instead. The
best legit not trolling. Take Smith should get another season.
Let him get a full year with a less e.
Oh the team is improving. Did you see how many
players were out Saturday. He's doing the best he can
with what he has.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
And bonus, if Western and Central passed on Tony and NeSSI,
why should ms you consider him? Well?

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I wouldn't use Western and Central's administrations is your guiding light,
and just because they're a lower level Yeah, I mean
I I don't think he's going to be a serious option.
But again, if you have a wildly successful Division two
coach who's an hour and a half away, and you're
doing your due diligence, you at least want to look
into them and figure out, you know, make sure you

(01:18:14):
cross him off the list for the right reasons, not
just because he's the fair estate coach.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Sparti mark next. I'm not sure that hiring a new
coach in and of itself is going to turn the
MSU football program around. It's really easy to pile on
Jonathan Smith. But unless we fix our nil slush or
whatever the fuck you call it, fund, I can't think
of any available coaches that are going to fix this
program without the overhaul of our portal and resource process.

(01:18:38):
If we fire Smith and do nothing different with our
approach to paying athletes, we piss away around forty million
and buyouts alone, money that could be used to pay
athletes and upgrade the roster.

Speaker 4 (01:18:49):
Yeah, you gotta have a plan going forward. I mean,
you can't just keep screwing this up. There's no question
this is a true pronged situation. There's the moment where
you decide Smith is not the answer long term, and
I tend to think that that moment has been realized
by the people that matter at the university. And then
there's the what's next, which is equally and actually more important,

(01:19:13):
because you can always I think you're always a good
coaching hire away from fixing it. And if you kept Smith,
like in the New Day and Age, if you kept
Smith for another year, it would be, in my estimation,
a year without momentum or fire from a fan base.
And you could argue that you're just treading water and
wasting time, but I don't think it would prevent MSU

(01:19:35):
a year from now from doing something right in getting
the right person. So that and so in some ways
what you do next is more important than coming to
the realization on Smith, and that's again having the resources
for that coach or having a plan to get them,
And if you don't have them initially, if you bring
them in and there's an understanding that we're working towards this,

(01:19:57):
we're figuring this out, we're going to have this shortly.
This first year may still be a year of transition,
and everybody sort of understands that. And there's certain components
that you realize as a as a fan base and
as an administration that aren't gonna look perfect right away.
I think that's okay, but you've got to have a
way to get there, and everybody's got to understand that
it's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Tim, Tim next, I don't understand how Frank ragnow can
just sit back and watch this while he's fishing and
not pick up the phone and say, break me off
twenty million for the rest of the season. Come be
an absolute legend. He's probably like one hundred and eighty
pounds right now. I don't what do he look like.
I still got to talk to him, right I think
Polmes has to make a conversation or hey, how you doing, man,

(01:20:38):
how's everything going? Yeah? Make sure? Yeah good? Or how
you feeling anyway? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Oh no, I look, it was it was your take too,
Like I get it. I would I would certainly kick
the tires and you probably have to make a move.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Travis Maynard, you said Izzo doesn't know what he's got
at the two guard spot. There is zero reason on
our roster isn't bricked up like every other top to
your program. No one on Izzo's level has this many
ifs this regularly. Imagine what he could do with a
team that didn't spend three fourths of the year figuring
it out. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I mean I so I when I did the annual
column I do where I predict every Michigan State basketball game,
which is kind fun piece to do a lot of
its time. Every single one, every single I scrolled through.
I saw three losses in a row. At one point,
I'm like, I can't read this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
No, it's entertaining. Please read the to me I did
I scrolled all the way down? Does that count? We'll
take it. Whatever it is is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I feel like I need to finish it. It's like
it's like you have bush here, please clap the uh.
But I do think there are a lot of teams,
more teams with more questions than you realize that you
picture being the top of you know, of the class
or whatever, top of the college basketball. Because I go

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through all these rosters and all different analysis of these
different ross there are a lot of teams out there
with a lot of questions. Now you can argue that
Io's approach should be different. That he should be begging
Greg Williams for an extra three million and they should
be spending that on a two guard every year and
just screw kurtang let them transfer and not developing. And
that's a fine idea to have. That's not what Isoe

(01:22:15):
wants to do. So that's you're just not going to
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Dark Mantonio Number one. Does Greg Campy hate his players
or what? Their first three games are? Ridiculous? This has
to be the hardest start any college basketball team at
any level has ever had. Jesus all right, too spicy take.
Michigan's front court is going to be ferocious, and Yacks
is going to give Brandon all he can handle for
the Big Ten Player of the Year award.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
Bradon all Right, So here's Oakland's schedule starting out. And
by the way, I had Oakland upsetting Michigan State in
their Christmas sweaters and then the Izzo and camp Is
Christmas sweaters and then is Oh canceling the series That
was part of my preview. Oh, so it's a real take,
like kind of Oakland's got a good team and I
think this year, so they are they open at Michigan,

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Who's preseason ranked seven. Then they play at Purdue, and
then they play at Who's number one, and then at
number two Houston, and again preseason rankings are are ship
and useless, but good teams nonetheless, and that's all by
next Wednesday. And you know one of the reasons you
do that, and that's probably overkill because what you're trying
to do and I've covered you know, mid major basketball,

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by the way, and I live in Kalamazoo. When you
have a really good team, you're trying to you're trying
to set up the dream that you could be an
at large bid. On one hand, you're also trying to
test your team and put them in cool experiences. This
is probably too much. I watched Steve Hawkins do this
at Western Michigan one year where he thought he had
a squad and they played it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Just Duke, it was Duke, it was perdue, it was
it was just it was the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Schedule was too much and they lost confidence and I
lost their way for a while, and I wound up
being a disastrous year because they overdid it. You want
to find you know, borderline high majors, but it's hard
it's hard to schedule these and it's interesting because if
you do somehow win a couple of those games, all
of a sudden, you've you've done what you need to.
But it's just it's so hard, and it is a
wicked schedule that must scheduling is hard for mid majors,

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and that is that is nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
So you have Oakland beating Michigan State for real or
is just for a joking joke. I think I think
so They've come close some years. I think this is
a year where Oakland's going to have a good team.
And he's had teams that are near the top of
the Horizon League. Two years ago they were you know,
they made an NCAA tournament run. I think this is
going to be a year where they're near the top
of the Horizon League, if not at the top. And
I think Michigan States, you know, we still got some questions.

(01:24:33):
I just it's in Detroit. This is one of the
years if it was going to happen, this is the
type of year would happened. Steven, tell your dad that
Graham thinks that Camp he's going to beat him. Just
tell him. Robert Western versus Central should never be on
a weekday again, and whoever did it in the first
place should be launched out of the solar system. Waldough
had its largest crowd since twenty fifteen, which is MSU,

(01:24:55):
and it translated into a pretty good TV broadcast.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
The MAC better not ever muck that up again. Yeah,
they've been fucking this up for a long time, they
really have. And this should be a Saturday game. It's
a great college football environment late October, the trees changing,
it's one of the best environments you can see it.
And I understood the reasoning when they went to mactionin
and they went to these November games especially, and they
were supposed to be games that you could put the

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best game on ESPN, the second best game on ESPN,
towo the third best game on ESPN you or whatever,
and have three games on a night and get more exposure.
But these rivalry games and the MAC. The other thing
that's changed now is the MAC is only going to
be so good because they're going to lose most of
their best players every year up to the Big ten schools.

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That didn't used to be the case. So lean into
who you are, lean into the rivalries, lean into your
fans treat them to situations like we got with Western
Central last Saturday. That should be the norm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Brad the Plants next. It's early, but if the Red
Wings play like this even eighty percent of the season,
they'll make the playoffs this year. And Emmett Finney is
so good Clintonville Saturdays, it is time for he detroyed
the Red Wings call a day. We got any.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
I wish we had a Pistons one. We can get
a hold of Doug. Doug dougle, I mean, Doug's around,
he would come to it. Yeah, I mean they got
to what eight most points tied in the Eastern Conference
right now? Anybody got more in the West?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
One one team? I mean, yeah, it's been a good start.
It's fun. I've been paying attention. I've been watching more
than I thought I would. I got a little money
on their season over which I feel really good about.
Right now, I am making the playoffs, which maybe that'll
result in another Muskox flannel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Give us money on it.

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A couple things.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
One of the Hallmark bit new part A Newport Christmas
looks really good. I did record it. My wife and
I are both all in. It looks a little bit
more like you say, it looks good. Tell me what
do you say when do you see that it looks
There was a movie called a Biltmore Christmas a couple
of years ago with Bethany Joy Lens Builtmore Christmas is
anyway a Bill Moore Christmas?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
It? Why did you have to name the actors?

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Because I'm a big fan. I told you what happened
with the uh Jeffany the story on her in People
magazine and how I actually accidentally got the wrong magazine.
Like my wife was in a year ago. There's like
a big, big feature on her in the cover of
People magazine and she was on like I think One
Tree Hill and a show I didn't watch the way
back in the day. But my wife sees it thinks

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this would be a great grandma love this. So but
the magazine looks a little bit torn at the front,
and so she's like, I'll just reach behind and get
a copy that's not not beat up. So she does
that but doesn't look at it. She comes home and
she said, and she hands it to me and she said,
I got you. You know, I think you'll like this,
and it's the Menendez brothers on the cover. And I'm like,
you know, I know, you know. I'm a child of

(01:32:39):
the nineties and I was around for the Menendez trial
and I remember it, but like I didn't. I don't
care that much about reading about the Menendez brothers. And
it was just the wrong magazine. It was a different
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I did record A Newport Christmas. And what I mean
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the quality of production and how much was spent financially,
who the actors are. Some are better than others. This
one looks good. Christmas on Duty did not interest me
as much. Some of the military ones and the ones
done with the Prince and Princess ones, I don't care
as much about those. But A Newport Christmas looked fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
So there's that. Wait for the reviews. How many people
do we lose? But wait a minute now, Elizabeth grabbed
his maggot like she just didn't look. She just grabbed
one from the back, slapped it fate like face down,
so she didn't see it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
I think that's what happened, because it was like she
was checking out. It was like you're checking out an
ad Meyer or something like that, you know, and you
just didn't She didn't pay a ten.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
She almost did something nice for you. She did so sweet.
Matt boone number one ls e O is the quarterback
we have to worry about leaving MSU and two Nick
marsh is gone, and three Joe Rossi should be retained
by the next coach.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
So Nick Marsh should go. And I'll tell you why,
because Nick Marsh, who's going to play in the NFL,
has one year left of college football after this, and
I'm look, if he wants I'm not saying he has
to leave Michigan State in the sense that like, if
he loves being in Michigan State, he's got friends there,
he wants to be part of the program, and he
wants to leave a legend, but he will be forgiven

(01:34:16):
if he goes somewhere as long as he doesn't go
to Michigan. But if he wants to go somewhere and
have a year where he's contending for a playoff spot
in his last year where he's playing in big time games,
nobody would fault him. And in some ways people should
want that for him. And I understand that it's not
good for Michigan State, and if he wants to stay,
that's great too. But it's like Keon Coleman, Yeah, like

(01:34:38):
it's it's just although Keon Coleman did it when nobody
realized they weren't going to be good the next year,
Like Keon Coleman did it, and this program was at
a different place when Keon Coleman did it. Then when
Nick Mars should be leaving, it would be just It
would be completely understandable if he wanted to have a
different experience for his final year of college football.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Steve Iso next, is he going by Steve now? Or
is it Steven Steven? Or Steven says Steve here? Steve
number one? Another classic Jonathan Smith meltdown? How is he
still the coach? Lingren needs to go as well? Ro
This is it? Steve is ROSSI only one worth considering
keeping and too. Morton had his worst game as the
Lions OC since Week one. Zero run game scheme and

(01:35:17):
running back screens on every single third long for the
hundredth time this season. Awful. And three goldfish crackers would
taste exactly like cheese if it weren't shaped like fish.
Think long and hard about this one.

Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Like cheese it Think yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the shape
of the fish that does it. And they have a
lot of different kinds too. I mean it's there. They
are great, They're good. Is coming handy sometimes it's one
of those old standbys. I mean, they've been around for
a long time, and it especially we don't feel well.
They really come in handy. You don't feel like eating anything.
A couple of goldfish.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Yeah. By the way, the Lions were terrible on third down.
Its not good, absolutely terrible. Are you are you? Are you?
I think he's been pretty good all year. I think
he's been all right. He's like again, if we're gonna
do Jonathan Smith, he's doing the best with what he's
dealing with right now, everybody beat up, money bag baked
Tom Izzo should have an on field role for the

(01:36:13):
last three games to fire the team up and stand
up for us when we get blatantly screwed. Rossi's energy
clearly helps, but he can only do so much. That's
just what you need.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
You need Izzo instead of focusing on the Arkansas you
know and the beginning of forget that Kentucky game, be
on the field for Penn State.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Yelling at refs awesome Andrew Gotier number one, I was
at a cider mill Saturday afternoon. That should tell you
everything you need to know about the state of MSU football.
And two. College football is a total mess right now,
maybe unwatchable in the next few years if it keeps
trending this way and from Nesley's quake Hotel, college football

(01:36:53):
is at an all time low. The drawn out presentation,
subscription nonsense, and what has to be the worst officiating
we've ever seen, to the point where the integrity of
the game is in question by serious people, not just
idiots like me or Jason Hey many Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
I know, I'm an idiot, don't get it. I look,
I do talk sports. I think there are a lot
of hard, hard to watch games. People disagree with this,
and I understand the playoffs are awesome and there are
some awesome games, but man, and.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
The playoffs are going to be awesome, and I'm looking
forward to watching every single playoff game. But on Saturdays,
I got to say, like, unless there's a couple of
key games, it's not doesn't have the same juice for me.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
College football is veering towards what has happened in the
Some people can argue with baseball. The baseball the regular
season now, but baseball or even the NBA or NHL
where a lot of people don't watch until the playoffs
and they love the playoffs. Like the NBA, I watch
some Pistons and occasional games here and there in the background.
But I love the playoffs and you don't want. College

(01:37:55):
football has always had a great regular season, and the
playoffs aren't what's ruining college football's regular season. College football's presentation,
it's package, it's level of play, and its level of
play was always iffy. It's always been iffy. I mean,
people fell in love with college football watching the Veer, right,
but they didn't have that many commercials. And people that
I used to think Bow and Woody were good coaches, well,
fucking this is curless. Yeah, this is Yetti could call

(01:38:18):
the offense that those guys ran.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
I mean, when I was a kid, I thought Purlis
football was the only thing I was going to watch
the rest of my life.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
If you find me a high school football coach who
would lose to Bower Woody today, fire that high school
football code.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Wow, jay rieminch Schneider. If MSU football wants to win big,
they got to get out of this mindset of a
coach having MSU ties in Haiti, Michigan. You can't teach hate.
You think Dan Lanning studied Oregon's culture. You think Signetti
cared about Indiana's horrible past. You think Mike Elgo hates
Texas no to all, but they know winning rivalry or

(01:38:51):
not and baked but true. If it had meant been
more readily available, I think I would have watched more
of the Michigan at Saint John's basketball exhibition game than
the Michigan MSU football game.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
You are a unicorn, Jay, You're one of the people
who care about Michigan basketball a lot more than than
Michigan football. But you're ad a reminder that fan bases
are not monoliths like it's. It's people have different, different tastes.
I do think this is a good point, though you
make on the football You don't need ties like and
I think the having MSU ties is dangerous not I

(01:39:22):
shouldn't say that it's not dangerous to have MHU ties.
Needing to have ms U ties, that idea is dangerous.
You want to get the right coach. You need somebody
who fits what your program is, and Daniel Lanning fits
organ right. Anybody who is going to win would fit Indiana.
And you know you're you're right to some extent. Winning
does does Krol and I you know, but Jonathan Smith, frankly,

(01:39:47):
if he was you know what eight and one right now,
people be like, yeah, man, he doesn't show much emotion,
but man, tell you what they win, and like he
he just cool, calm customer. I get it, you know,
Like I mean, so not everybody will feel that way,
because I know there's some people who are not fans is,
but people would overcome that in a hurry.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
Spartan eighteen seven seven zero Next. The worst part of
this Spartan football season is the fact that there are
players that fans really love. They have shown determination, dedication,
and loyalty to one another. In a perfect, perfect world,
this team would have only one loss and bonus bait
take Neighbors who don't rake their leaves at this time
of the year are in the same category as dog

(01:40:29):
owners who walk their dog without a plastic bag straight to.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Prison different levels. I'm sorry, it's so much more gross
dog shit than leaves being everywhere, right, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
It's true, that's but he is putting to stay in
the same category of asshole. I think you can put
the category of asshole people that don't walk either walk
their dog with no bag.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
So here's my thing on this, and I don't want
to sound like I'm this asshole, but I'm gonna rake
once and so my tree's not done.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
I'm not ranking you know the tree.

Speaker 4 (01:41:05):
Yeah, well, and we have we hate our tree out front.
I usually love trees. We have somehow the worst tree.
Like when they were coming down chopping down trees for
the sewer project, which sucked in our neighborhood. I kept
our tree was like the one they went. I tried
to I usually love trees.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
This tree, not this tree. I can chew number one
that could have beat the gophers, but couldn't beat the
zebras to It just occurred to me that there's no
couch in the room pick them this year, Baked. There
should be a website that sells all the hats they
get thrown on the ice. When a player gets a
hat trick.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
To point number two, you are the first person to
bring it up Ken. So it's obviously not dearly missed.
And so I was when we had some issues early on,
not knowing if we were gonna have Harry regularly or
what that segment.

Speaker 1 (01:41:50):
Was going to be. So I didn't we didn't do it,
and we.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Didn't know if anybody was going to do it for us,
and track the pics and Eric Eric will do that. Eric,
Eric is a pro Eric Eric will probably do that.
But it was a gask And But since there was
just zero in getting the prizes to people, yeh, there's
a lot of stuffy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Yeah. Yeah, a website still had prizes from two years contests. Again,
what do they do with the hats that wind up on?
Why would you want to go to a website that
sells sweaty ass old hats? Though? Like, did they just
throw them away? Usually they must? Right, Ah, that's a
good question. I thought I heard somewhere that they have
them in a box that they put them at the exit. Okay,

(01:42:30):
all right, rich Serie Number One, it seems our best
head coaches have been defensive minded guys. The Jay Smiths
were both offensive minded guys, Saban and D'Antonio were defensive minded.
We need to find a defensive, hard nosed guy. Two,
the NCAA has lost all relevancy, no teeth to enforce rules,
and even when they try, it's a joke. What is

(01:42:52):
its purpose anymore? And three? I really want our hoops
team to surpass last year's but we need someone to
fill the role of Richardson as they go to guy
I don't see that guy on this year's roster, and
I hope I'm wrong and Baked Chad lasts for head
coach love his cleat speech that you guys play do
I love it too?

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
Go out there, play hard, stick your cleats so far
up their asses that they've.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
Got to use the cleanes to brush your teeth with.
Let's go green, go God.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
I I do think there are people who you're not
alone to think the basketball team is going to struggle.
In fact, I'm a little worried. I forgot to put
a take in from somebody who set that out specifically,
but well, sometimes people send them to my work email
inst at A Graham dot couch at gmail dot com,
which is okay, but I do forget to. In fact,
there's one right now, oh boy from Fousman eighty yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
Sorry the yeah, I apologize for that stuff. Do you
need some offer? No?

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
No, no, but uh yeah, I mean I think there's
a chance the Semisue team struggles that they don't have
enough offense that they look like a team that's got
some great I think they'll be okay in certain areas,
but if they're not good defensively at the two, if
they don't score there, Like if that position becomes an
issue and they don't really have an answer, I think
they'll figure out an answer in the defensive side because
there are enough guys who want to play and that's
going to be their ticket. But they might not have

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enough firepower and this year to be what they've been.
And if you look at the big ten, like one
through thirteen, it's it's pretty good. And really one through
sixteen or seventeen, even May sixteen, there's not a lot
of easy nights off and so you got to have
some guys that can make some points shots and score
points to you know, to keep you you know, it

(01:44:37):
just makes some nights easier.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Shop. Next, I recall sending a hot take back when
they announce the new Olympic Sports Arena, calling it financial malpractice.
Make everything a club sport other than football, basketball, and hockey,
give them one hundred percent of the resources. This is
the only way. Glad to see bat making at least
one good decision and bonus take Alan Hawler's ass.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
Yeah, the the Olympic Sports Arena and and that's not
happening now. And Carl Graham, who is our new Education Report,
had a good story on this that I tweeted out
on some of the reasoning behind it talking to the
president of Michigan State and also I think he was quoted,
but also trustees and everything like that. It's very clear

(01:45:24):
that the priority is is going to be elsewhere. I
don't think they need a hotel or any I don't
think they need any of this stuff. I could see
the reason for an Olympic Sports arena in terms of
the finances too, when you look at the cost to
put volleyball at Breslin and things like that, and maybe
the ability to make money off it, and and so,
I mean, I don't think it had to be a

(01:45:45):
money pit, but right now, dollars on hand are not
just flowing everywhere, right, and so when you're gonna make
tough decisions, that's probably going to be one that that
gets chopped. And and you know, they keep insisting that
Jay batt has see his non revenue sports with you know,
really wants to those sports do well and give those
those sports opportunities do well and make them, you know,

(01:46:07):
make them have all the facilities they need. We'll see
where this goes and what that looks like. For I
think volleyball is okay, But for like gymnastics, are they
going to do more gymnastics at Breslin? Is that the answer?
And what that costs and how you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
I don't know. So will shep not be one of
the guys giving Haller an ovation when he's on the screen.

Speaker 4 (01:46:25):
Ten years from now, she will be doing it anyway,
everybody would be Alan Haller will Yeah, I mean, just
you know, I mean, I'm not saying other people want
to have known to hire Adam Nightingale. But in Michigan
State hockey wins the national title, maybe a little golf.

Speaker 1 (01:46:38):
Well, you have to announce that he did hire Adam
Nightingale before you announce that. Alan Haller's here, right, the
guy that hired Adam Nightingale, Alan Haller? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:46:49):
What if they win to a national title women's basketball?
Guy that hired Robin Freyler Robin Frele.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Yeah, there you go. And the football program Mojo jojo
obvious take, how do you have two of the fastest
guys in the NFL and do not use them at all?
Be right back, going to let out some steam on
my rooftop axe throwing range while wearing a Musko's flannel.
Of course, this take interrupted by a John Morton's screen pass.
Somewhere in football Hell, Dave Warner and Jay Johnson are

(01:47:17):
pulling up another chair and from Big John Hogg. Morton
is to blame for the Lions loss. Offense has been
concerning and lacking for weeks. They have to win against
Washington end Bonus MSU Hoops being back is a welcome
distraction from football. Actually look forward to freaking out about
Izzo's rotations and lack of shooting.

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
Better than football, there's a higher floor. Certainly you kind
of know im as you Basketball is going to be competitive,
and if they're frustrating, they'll be competitively frustrating. The Morton
stuff is interesting because I thought people were all in
on him, and now people seem to be.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
All that we're in. But I mean, I'm just saying
Flores was blitzing everywhere, and you know this, you have
to get the ball out of there, and you know,
just with the offensive line. You know, golf can't sit
there and escape thing and make plays out of nothing sometimes,
so you have to. Yeah, I can understand the frustration
with Moreton ben Challis. Obviously, the Lions have been great
because of the moves by the front office. But soon

(01:48:10):
it might be time to ask if Holmes has lost
some of his magic. As good as his first couple
of drafts have been, these last two have been big
disappointments overall, especially the first round picks. What if the
last two NFL draft's been hold on? Let me see
here at allons I am the passenger. That's crazy and

(01:48:40):
all right, I ride through the s. Is he talking
about last year's draft? He was the last two? Yeah,
I'm looking at me. It's hard to judge this draft.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
I mean, well, but some guys contribute right away, right,
I mean, if you look at this year's the past
year's draft, So you got Talik Williams defensive tackle, Tate Rattledge, right, Tesla.
You go to last year it was Terry and Arnold
and then this Rake Straw. Yeah, that last year wasn't great.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Terry and Arnold though, I mean, as much as he
drives me nuts, yeah, I could see a first round pick.
But Brad Holmes is the reason we got here. Like,
what are we talking about? I can understand if we
don't make any moves whatsoever at the trade deadline and
we start to get frustrated with that. But I just
can't get there. I'm not there yet. Spartan fraying. NFC
North is going to get three teams into the playoffs
and it's a total stones throw on who gets left out.

(01:49:32):
The Lions still are the best overall team, but that
was pretty bad yesterday. Packers are super Bowl champs or
ass and no in between, and Bears and Vikings are frisky.
Strap In should be fun. The Packers just lost to
the Panthers at home.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Yeah, and the Bears aren't that good. The Vikings are
the Viking. Frisky is a good word for the Vikings.
The Vikings are the team that on a given day
you don't want to mess with because I do think
McCarthy's okay, and he does. O'Connell's a good coach. Yeah,
they have a great staff and then a good defense.
That's you know, So avoiding the Vikings is probably best.

(01:50:07):
But I don't think they're going to finish ahead of
you know, the Packers will see the Packers are wildly
inconsistent and strange too. I still think the Lions win
this division peas next.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I love when they panned to John Morton in the booth.
He looks like he knows. He looks like he has
no idea what the fuck is going on? And bonus
Pistons should just say fuck it and sign Beasley. Cade
playing well to start, but it's clear more spacing is
needed for him to truly thrive. Why can't we sign Beesly?

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
He did put on Instagram that he's gonna be in
Detroit today, So I don't know what's going on with that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
I mean, is he's not being arrested or charged? Right?
Isn't everything over? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
I mean they'd have to cut somebody, but yeah, they
have to make roster space for him, but I don't
think it would be expensive to do. It's a good question,
what's going on with him?

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Yeah? Uh? Jay Kwang. Gambling has ruined officiating. MS. You
deserve to lose, but the refs should be investigated because
they allowed Minnesota to cover the spread and who had
money on JJ. That body weight tackle penalty was very
suspicious when you can clearly see his arm out and
from big rib cage. Number one. Gambling is ruining, ruining

(01:51:13):
college and pro sports. I've never seen so many inexplicable
calls and picked up flags as I have since sports
pending became legal, and two good effort by MSU on Saturday,
but Jonathan Smith has got to go and three fire
John Morton and let Campbell run the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:51:30):
The I think this is the challenge when gambling is persuasive.
Is persuasive the wrong word?

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Fuck it, bloodlust?

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
I think just that, Like people are going to assume
refs have money when things are look fishy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
But that be where you look though, because refs are
underpaid and some of these guys have to work a
second or third job. I think you could get to
them faster than he could a guy making ninety mil.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
But forever, refs have been influenced by crowds, and that's
what I think happened at Minnesota too. I think the
refs got influenced by Fleck and the crowd and all
that stuff, and that's bad, and like that's always been.
Like when I talk about ted Valentine TV, Teddy being
a good ref and coaches like playing when he's officiating
their games. One of the reasons for that is he's
known as somebody if you're on the road in college basketball,

(01:52:17):
you want him as a ref because he doesn't give
in the crowd. He doesn't care. He almost wants to
antagonize him, almost better than that just going the other way.
There's an argument that too, and there are issues there.
I'm just saying, like, yeah, I don't know if that's gambling.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
It's the opposite of the ass the other guy's talking about,
but it's still kind of ass that you have to.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
But what I'm saying is is not always gambling, you know,
and obviously it's hopefully never gambling, but I mean is
it's also the momentum, the way the crowd is, the
whole emotion of all that stuff that I think people
fear refs get caught up in.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
Yeah, Steve Beckman, sports betting scandals are going to keep
getting the same reactions as mass shootings. Initial outrage, then
calls for banning something followed by nothing actually changing and
bonus ling. Grin will be fun fired after the season,
but Smith won't, making the off season utterly exhausting. Yeah,
people just won't. People check out, They won't. I mean,
they're largely not going to care if Smith's a coach there.

(01:53:09):
And that's and I think the administration knows that. And
that's you know, whether you like it or not. And
life isn't always fair, but that's just the reality of
But what if you fire Smith and hire Pat Nardoozy?
Is that going to get I know that we have
half of if you fan base that kind of doesn't
mind Nardoozy coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
But if you want, if you want somebody with ms
U ties who gets it, who I think would would
probably do pretty well at MSU. Who might hire Max
Bulla's defensive coordinator. I think people would be okay with
some of that. It would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
I don't know. Again, I don't and there's a lot.
It all just sounds like it's going to be asked.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
There's a pretty big buyout for Nardoozy too, which I
think could be prohibitive in terms of if MSU wanted
to go that way.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Yeavin Kevin from Rochester Hills Number one, The Lions are
average and will miss the playoffs. What's up your hask? Kevin?
I mean, seriously to a pass rush makes golf throw
like a girl and three. MSU may not be good,
but they're not quitters.

Speaker 4 (01:54:06):
No, they haven't, and that's I think the most The
best thing you can say about them is they've you know,
they've stayed there?

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Is it because they're not they're not quitting because they
want to get some tape going for Maybe they got
to start looking for another place to play. I mean,
is that what's happening in today's college football where guys
it's not that they're giving up on a coach, but
they're looking out for themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
Well, maybe there are all sorts of motives, but I
also think that it is football is a hard sport
to play individually, Like you got to do a lot
of things collective to do decently, and they're they're doing okay.
I just I think they put a lot into this.
I mean, you think about these guys start in January,
like freaking running gassers and suicides and like life sucks,
you know, and a lot of time, and they they're
running the freaking stadium all summer and they just you know,

(01:54:47):
pounding their bodies to get.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Ready, knowing you can get the f out and then
next year, if you had you know, the old rules,
you had to come back.

Speaker 4 (01:54:53):
A lot of these guys know that it's not always greener,
that things aren't always better, that there's not something for them,
and a lot of these guys probably know they're not
that great. The people we aren't going to be pounding
the door down for them.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Matt Cee Number one. The standard for MSU football has
fallen so far we praise the players for simply not quitting.
It's pathetic and two MSU football players and coaches have
stolen more money from donors than Kwame Killpatrick.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
I think not quitting does deserve praise in tough times.
It doesn't mean Look, the staff is going to lose
their job on The staff is very likely going to
lose their jobs, right, and the players are going to
be up and a lot of upheople again, and things
are things are not great. And when things aren't great
and you don't quit, though, I think that's worth recognizing

(01:55:39):
because I think it's a good character trait.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
That was Kwame. By the way, Howard Bailey Ulessio is
a worse athlete but better quarterback and is respected because
he has that blue collar style of play. And Jonathan
Smith doesn't understand this, which is why he's getting fired.
MSU has always been a grit field program and will
continue to be, so he needs to embrace that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
I think one of the interesting things that coaches probably
struggle with quarterbacks and practice and judging them is quarterbacks
are really live in practice, and the quarterbacks know that
D'Antonio once did it when and when he was unhappy
at the quarterback play, and he made them live. So
that means you can get hit. And so it's very
hard to tell exactly how much somebody will hang in
there in a practice because those guys know they're not

(01:56:22):
going to get hit. So you get in a game
and you see Alessio getting hit like he was and
he's holding hold. You know, he's getting rid of the
ball at the last second, waiting for things open up downfield,
and like, that's a really good trait. Connor Cook's best
trait was that he could do that, and I, you know,
I think that's that's Alessio right now. Having that playing

(01:56:43):
on schedule and being able to hang on the pocket
makes them better offensively with him. Then then Chiles outside
of maybe the last five to ten yards, which you know,
maybe maybe you still use Child's there, Zuo.

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
Broke Spartan next number one. Jonathan Smith's West Coast cool
might work in Corvallis, but East Lansing runs on caffeine
and Hartburn fans don't just watch football. We feel it,
and when the rest rob is blind, we at bare
minimum expect our coach to at least rattle the cage.
And two two weeks, two robberies, and Smith stands there
like he's waiting for his order at Starbucks. Meanwhile, PJ

(01:57:17):
Flex auditioning for an exorcism and somehow gets the call overturned.
It's absurd theater, but theater moves the crowd and sometimes
even the stripes and three unfair, of course, but college
football isn't fair. It's emotional capitalism. Rage has market value.
Smith's calm might play somewhere else, but in the Big

(01:57:37):
ten it reads like surrender. Serenity doesn't sell here, passion does.
And right now he's out of stock. Time to go.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
Yeah, I mean this is this is well said. People
are out on him, and they're out on him not
just because they've lost, but because they can't connect, because
they don't see his level of passion and frustration that
they have. And I don't I don't think it's gonna
work because of that. And like if he had if
they had the same record, but he had tom Izzo's

(01:58:09):
or you know, uh d'antonio's fire or somebody else, and
you just felt like you wanted to say Nardoozi, Yeah,
I did. You could feel his frustration. I think people
would be a little more forgiving about where this is
going if he was a little more selling of himself,
of the improvements, if he if he was a little
more open about what the program needed long time. I

(01:58:29):
just I think that people don't. People just can't see
the passion they feel in their coach, and that doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Nate next feels like the program is cursed whenever something
could go wrong the last three years it has. It's
not all on the coaches, but the short yardage play
calling hasn't helped. And bonus, middle of Vajovich pronunciation season
begins freakingly, although we are gonna ask him to change
the name Melo Javed neurotic pants. Number one, the Batman

(01:58:59):
should not bring George Texts coach over to MSU another
incomplete resume his offensive coordinator on the other hand, and
two not sure we can blame the officials, but now
we know that one they enjoy home cooking, in two
they want to go home after four quarters, and three
good football coaches are scary.

Speaker 4 (01:59:19):
The yeah that people are asking if anybody's gonna lo.
There will be calls to the Big ten or reaching
out to the Big ten to see if anything happened
to that officiating crew and what the explanation for and
if everything's allowed to happen the way it did, and
you know, maybe it's just a shitty situation that is allowed.
It just the optics and that situation were bad. The

(01:59:40):
way the game, the process after the call is where
people have the problem. Ball Key Bartacamas next number one.
With the entry of private equity and rising costs and
a seeming bubble and media rights deals, this feels like
a particularly bad time for MSU football to be an
enduring enduring a historic actually terrible play and growing irrelevance.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Two. We're fortunate to be in the Big ten, but
as teams are turning into brands and more separation happens
between the top and the middle, the windows to remain
one of the halves looks like it could be closing.
Feels kind of dire. Maybe it's just five point thirty
pm nightfall getting me down. It can turn quickly, and
when it has to turn, it has to turn somebody.

(02:00:22):
They have to get somebody in who can inspire, you know,
people have faith in, people want to see succeed, and
somebody that can raise money and make Michigan State feel
like a have because right now it doesn't. You're one
hundred percent right, it does not. I mean, Michigan State
is got too money, resources and too much history and
it's been a half and it may not be the

(02:00:43):
top of the halves, but it's a have too long
to have it look like this lobster puncher. Next, if
there are concerns about paying the buyout, firing Smith as
soon as possible is the financially smart thing to do.
That gives more time to land another job and offset
that thirty one mins.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
Counterpoint, if you don't fire him, maybe it's easy. Maybe
it's easier to him have a sort of face saving
soft landing. If he's fired now, is it easy for
another school to sell their alumni on him, or if
at the end of the year he's sort of quiet
leaves for Oregon and nobody or wherever, no potential at
school looks at them. I'm just saying, I'm just saying,

(02:01:20):
I don't know that it helps.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
MCV. This is like your finest work, this whole Smith thing.
It really is this spends up number one. J Batt's
first power move as MSU's ad was to pay off
the Refts in the Minnesota game in order to make
his job easier at the end of the season. And two,
the Vikings beat the Lions with help from their new
equipment manager and JJ McCarthy's personal assistant, Stoner Callians Bonus,

(02:01:46):
MSU shouldn't keep comparing itself to Indiana and Signetti, but
rather teams like Purdue, Northwestern, Nebraska, Rutgers and Minnesota, teams
that are less talented and less resourceful than MSU, but
keep putting a better product on the field.

Speaker 4 (02:02:02):
I think MSU should worry about only itself and compare
itself to the programs that are doing well that it
sees itself having a chance to be and whatever that is.
But I think it should. You know, you gotta go,
you find your coach, you gotta stir up your donor base,
and you got to figure out what your ceiling. And

(02:02:24):
I think the ceiling is pretty hight Michigan State, but
it just feels like they're a long long way from it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
In Sparta, we trust number one ass Sports Weekend as
MSU football stinks, and I get to watch a Michigan
QB throw it to Jalen Naylor to beat the Lions.
Sports is just a constant dick push. It really is
too Michigan State won't move on from Smith because it
sounds like we're broke couch? Why do I keep hearing
about the Izzo football building not being finished? From couch

(02:02:51):
on fire, horrible football weekend, MSU Michigan escapes per new
upset and then JJ McCarthy fetted by Tom Brady as
a player of the game after a lackluster Lions effort
offensive line. The difference between twenty four and twenty five
and bonus fire Smith. Now at least we may get
Rossi as acting head coach with a pulse.

Speaker 4 (02:03:12):
So the question here is why you keep hearing about
them the use of football building not being finished And
you know, I don't know all the specifics that there
are things that are still being worked on over there.
And so I mean this happened with his own and
they had to get Gilbert to come in and sort
of finish up and you know, finish up the donations

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at the end when they didn't quite get there. I
guess the issues and I would just want to know
what the specifics of that aren't finished, that we're supposed
to be, that we're budgeted to be done, are that.
That's what I would would ask back to the I'm
not saying wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
I don't want to deal with the white elephant in
the room.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
I think it's a more complex situation than maybe it's
being and we can't handle that explanation. No, I no,
I'm just asking for it. I'm saying I don't have it,
saying I'm asking what you're hearing and and maybe it
is something to look into.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Spartan hype when will MSU fire Smith never? Apparently? Yeah,
my guess is buckle up for next year. He's coming back.

Speaker 4 (02:04:13):
If you if you had a pool, an office pool,
I would put it on Sunday, uh, the Sunday after Thanksgiving,
after the Maryland game, maybe even that Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (02:04:21):
From the woodshed. Number one. The fan base doesn't have
a bloodlust for Cgs's job. He and his staff are incompetent,
and these last four weeks have shown he shouldn't keep
his job through season's end. MSU football can be so
much more and too. J Batt should should have left
Jonathan on the tarmac. Hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:04:41):
Now that's a move right there. That's yeah, it's not
a great I mean that's a good move. Yeah, Look,
there is I think you're right in the sense that
there is a there is understandable frustration and anger. There
is some bloodlust too, and you can feel it if
Jonathan Smith, I mean, there's people don't like his face, right,
They don't like his personality, they don't like there are

(02:05:01):
things about him that are just are not his coaching
that people are.

Speaker 1 (02:05:05):
Just that's really not his face. It's just the lack
of emotion right now. You know, his face is okay,
looks like a good angry He could get angry. I
think he has a fine face. He does not have.

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
I mean a lot of people I have a very
punishable face, but I would not describe a stupid looking face.
I don't think he has one of the more punishable faces.

Speaker 1 (02:05:23):
Yeah, Brad Ostmas Spartan Dog ninety seven. MSU is going
to retain Smith, not force him to make any staff changes.
Marsh will leave in the portal, and they'll raise season
ticket prices because the school has given up it being
competitive in football. That'd be That's the best part was
when they raise prices after the season like this, You know.

Speaker 4 (02:05:44):
I mean this this is about This is a pretty
depressing take by Spartan doc, But I feel like this
is what a lot of people feel like. Price are
gonna go up, Marsh is gonna leave. And the thing
you have to think about with Marsh is that will
be frustrating because you had a pro and you didn't
get much out of him. But ultimately, for the long
term of the program, if you are making a coaching
change and you're bringing in somebody new, that's the stuff
you can't worry about. I do think the way the

(02:06:04):
portal is set up now, however, gives you a chance
at least gives you a fighting chance, because rather than
the portal opening for thirty days the second somebody's let go,
it is open to these guys five days after the
new coach is announced and then not again until January second.
So if you're trying to convince him to stay the
new coach, you know, whether it be Alessio or Nick Marsh, whoever,

(02:06:26):
that the setup is a little more favorable.

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Uh Hans Jerget number one cut that kicker who kicked
the ball out of bounds in the last two minutes
to set up Minnesota's game time drive and two ROSSI,
you and your three man rush defense need to get
the fuck out of yell. A three man rush should
only be used as a gimmick, not over and over three.
Fire Lingrin another play action fake on fourth down after

(02:06:51):
the run got stuffed on third down, he had our
quarterback roll out to the short side of the field.
No less and no one was buying that shit. And bonus,
enough of this shit. Hired Nardoozi. At least his teams
finish above five hundred and will blitz the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (02:07:06):
I do not see them making a single coaching change
on the staff or ever within the staff, or no
with Jonathan Smith until the end of the season. I
just don't think you're gonna I mean, he's not going
to fire lingrid now. It's it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
I'd be sick, though, that'd be a nice move. Jake Hawkins.
Number one. College refs are stanking ass that even the
NCAA doesn't teach them any lessons. The Zebras who called
an unfair game between MSU and Minnesota on Saturday were
behind a controversial call back in twenty sixteen between Central
Michigan and Oklahoma State where Central one good research, Jake, Wow,

(02:07:41):
nothing gets by the Hawk two. I actually wanted to
go to Kalamazoo, where Graham used to live, to see
the Central Western game in person, but I never got
around to it. I'm actually regretting it. In three epic
World Series this was, but thanks to the Dodgers winning
it again with the billion dollar plus payroll, the owners
are really push hard for a salary cap, come hell

(02:08:02):
or high water, even if that means no baseball in
twenty twenty seven. So be prepared. Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 4 (02:08:07):
Would suck, but it would be the MLS's chance, soccer's
big chance. But god, Baseball, you've got your rolling. You
you pulled yourself out of the depths of like no
young person care to like having these epic world series.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
But what if they do a salary cap and the
Tigers win the first World Series with a salary can
and then everybody no, but I'm saying, but then everybody's like, aw,
it's a tainted you know.

Speaker 4 (02:08:26):
I see, we used to do it the old way,
but you guys had the first title ever. I don't
think they'll get to a salary cap. What it'll be
interesting is if they get somewhere like the NBA actually
does have a hard cap now without saying it through
the separate through the second apron, it'd be interesting if
they can sort of. I don't think that now they
have aprons, I don't think they'll be able to trick
the players in the hardcap. I just don't see them
getting no hard cap owners. You know, it's not an

(02:08:49):
if owners can't help themselves and or or they don't.
The problem baseball has too, is that so many teams
don't spend to a reputable or or respectful I should
say floor, like, you can't have the Pirates out there
not spending enough, and then people saying, well look what
the Dodgers do. Well, you know, but you can't be
a fan of the Pirates because you never you know,
when you got guys separdition, I understand, but like Skeins,

(02:09:12):
it sucks all around. I'm saying for someone that's a
Pirates fan, because you can't be a diehard because you
know those guys are going to be gone when you draft. Yeah,
I would love to see some sort of setup that
made it easier to keep your stars and whatever that
looked like, I would be all for that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
Upprodect jerk guy, Uh sports fandom sucks and bonus toes
our fingers for feet.

Speaker 4 (02:09:36):
This is the sort of analysis we count on you
for the deep thing, the deep thoughts, the deep thinking
that comes from a product. Jork Guy, and fandom does
sometimes suck. But it's why true fantom is great. It's
why like I question European soccer fandom with American you know,
thirty year old hipsters, because like, fandom is supposed to
be not something you choose, but something you feel, something

(02:09:56):
that chooses you. And it sucks sometimes, but that ma
makes it all the better when it's great. Right, That's
the whole point of this. That's why people care. You know,
Jason can't just decide tomorrow to be a Broncos fan.
It doesn't doesn't work. It doesn't work that way. He's
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