Ep. 1088: Twitter Question Friday: MSU basketball's prognosis and big MSU football decisions

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Speaker 1 (00:46):
Pound the bushes. I love the computer. Just took a ship.

(01:41):
Oh really, blue screen of death. As soon as I
was about to hit the open, I swear to God,
all right, anyway, hey man, we're live. We are live.
We are great, literally is. I was about to hit
the open, and it just so leader took a ship.
We're good, We're the YouTube computer that everything else is good.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay, okay, Well that's that's the best open we've ever
start Windows. Yeah, that's the best open we've ever had.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's better than the Spartan Speak podcasts that are recorded
with Salari. This week where we did an entire podcast
didn't record well, it looked like it was recording. Something
was wrong with the s D card or the cyst.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know. That's why I like to do a live
element that we have with YouTube, so that way there
is a copy of it somewhere, because I could not
imagine doing a two hour podcast like we do this
Twitter question show. It's gonna be about two hours and
then getting to the end and oh my god, I
didn't record anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, the live element is nice. We we
questioned whether we were going to redo it. We'd redid it,
but it was how.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Do you do that? Like, did you do the same
jokes or like you try it's sort of like can't.
It's sort of like I would guess how it's like
doing a sitcom. You know, you do the table read
and the jokes have to land, and then they have
to land in front of a live studio audience, so
to speak. And but you've already heard them, but you've
got to deliver them just as well and pretend to
be as entertained by them, you know what I mean?
I don't know, or address rehearsal on Saturday Live, I don't,

(03:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, it's a good question. We did some of the
same stuff, some of the stuff you do better. It
helped that we had had that some time had passed. Anyway,
that's not neither here nor there. But well, it's good
to Uh, it's good to be the open. You want
to play it, play the open. It will bring me
in better.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Oh what do you get when you cross a know
it all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, well I'm just not sure about that right now.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, couch and the room, there we go.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
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betting this weekend momentarily, and then we're going to dig
into your groovy donut Twitter questions. I think it's gonna

(04:13):
be a good show. There's some really good discussion. It's
one of our better batches of questions and how they
were asked and not too much duplication. A lot of
really good MSU basketball, MSU football, big decisions with m
s U football, MSU basketball lineups, proagnosis for the season, recruiting,
some other stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Chasing how you doing brother? Not talking about this? No, No,
what's up buddy? Yeah that was awkward.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Anyway, I need I need the opener. You know how
I am with technology. When something goes wrong, I'm off
my game and it's bad. It's it literally is. I
was about to go over and press the hot key.
Absolutely everything shut down on this side. But yeah, good
job by you by hanging in there through there. Yeah,
I didn't know what to do. Do we just stop
the whole operation?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
But yeah, anyway, yeah, will you ever just do you
ever get into it with your wife and you just
go like I should have just shut up. Sure, yeah,
but it's a day, so I'm gonna be on one today.
I don't know if I'm how great I'm gonna read.
We're good, everything's good. But you know what I mean,
Like you just drive, You get in the car and
you're just like, ah, should have just shut up? What
was the nature of the artist? I'm not getting into it.
It's nothing crazy. You have to tell it now, or

(05:22):
at least something nothing. No, no, no, no, I can't. I can't.
I can't get I shouldn't have said anything. I'm already
screwing up by doing this part. I can't get into it.
It's nothing crazy. It's just she's going to Illinois this
weekend and we just you know, it's a it's a
spat if you will love her spat, you know. And
then you get in the car and you're like, dude,
just shut up. Why are you talking. I'm talking to
myself right, I'm looking in the rear view. I'm talking

(05:44):
about It's like, what to do. If you just shut up,
you go, you do the show, and the weekend's about
to happen. Just shut up. Is this a weekend without
her home for you? She's going to Illinois? Yeah? Oh nice?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, I mean not nice. A teres, we love when
you're around. I'm just I absolutely love when my wife
is around, for sure. But I'm not gonna lie. It's
a it's married guys, understand. And Graham and I have
talked about it when when the wife is out of town.
I mean I still kind of do whenever she's there.
I kind of do the same.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I don't know about Graham, but I usually do the
same repetition, you know, of what I do on a
normal football weekend. But it is nice to go home
and be able to you know, you leave the stuff
or out until she comes home. You know, you don't
have to take care of everything. It's just about you, right, Yeah.
But more importantly, the whole story and moral of the stories.
It's like, just shut up, Like why did I need
to say that? It wasn't like one of those you

(06:28):
can never like come back from. I totally am better
than that. But anyway, I shouldn't have said anything. Why did,
I'd say this, Yeah, why, I don't know. You know,
it's the fucking open screwed me up. But I feel like,
you know, when we get into it, and then I
didn't have anything to play, and it's like, so that
felt I had to tell a story, and now I'm
like screwed. Now she's gonna listen to this and be like,
why did you tell our shit on the air.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, you can just tell her the pod didn't actually
go there technical issues.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
There's nothing serious to be honest with you, I just
the moral stories. It's like, why don't I listen to myself?
Like as far as gambling and talking to my wife?
Just shut up? Like why do you have to you know.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
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Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know what, Jr. Junior, you go fuck yourself, he said, Jason,
apply these lessons to learn to your sports takes because
he's a big Jonathan Smith guy is JR. Junior who
gets onto the YouTube chat every fucking day, and Juison
probably wants Joseph Smith filled, yeah I do. I don't
know why you don't. And then you turn the corner
after one of those losses, didn't you j R. Junior?

(07:27):
Your penis Jr. Junior.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I appreciate you gonna be on with it. I'm telling you,
this is gonna be a hell of a show for everybody.
This is gonna be this is gonna be a shut up.
Why do I say this? Fix this in posts. By
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(07:52):
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Saturday night, November fifteenth being the first one. Darren Lerner.
All right, Jason, before we get into these crewed, I

(08:13):
love my wife, by the way, I do. I know
you know, things happen right and not every marriage is perfect.
You know, we have our little lover's quarrels here and there.
You know, the way your relationship began, and the fact
that she married you. I know she loves you and
I know you. I understand that.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's why I think back to those times and I'm like,
just shut up, Like, what do you have to say
other than this lady save in your life.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
You know, she's one of the best people in the world.
I know absolutely, Like literally, people, it's an honor to
be married to her. I want to keep it that way.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I just was trying to be upfront and honest with
the with the listeners here and yourself of like, you know,
I'm gonna be a little on one today. You know
when you do get into those like we did the
text thing where you apologize that you know I love you,
blow all that stuff. So we're good there, But I'm
just saying it gets you into some weird mental space.
So I just want to let people know, Okay, in
case I don't read these questions off the shirts or

(09:03):
something I don't know, well, pull the Kanye West and
say I'm bipolar, apologize to people after what's happening?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Should we just start the show or yes? Before we
dig into the groovy done at Twitter questions what we
are betting this weekend, presented by our friends at fire
Keepers Casino and fire Keepers Ie Casino Sportsbook Gap Jason,
are you betting anything this week? I have to because
the wife is gone. I got to have some fun
him right, boys BYU plus ten and a half on
the road.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
I hate betting against Texas Tech, But Graham, I just
think ten and a hook is too much. I think
the Magic Underwear boys are gonna pull that one out.
West Virginia at home against Colorado, I mean or Colorado
are they've just completely given up? I know West Virginia's ass,
but six and a half at home against the team
traveling to West Virginia. I mean Colorado has no fighting them? Right? Navy?

(09:49):
I seen this up. I think I got this this
morning at twenty seven in a hook, Graham. We talked
with Harry about it on Wednesday. Navy at Notre Dame.
Give me Navy. I got it here at plus twenty
five and a half. I got it this morning at
twenty seven and a half and two NFL games. I
should stay away from the NFL. It should be like
talking to your wife. Just shut up the NFL. Just
shut up that game last night. Oh my god, that

(10:11):
was brutal. Went to bed at halftime. Baltimore minus four
and a half on the road. I can't figure this
game out. But for some reason, I have no insight
to this other than I think the NFL is rigged
and there's some reason why this is minus four and
a half, and I feel like I have to jump
on this rig game minus four and a half. I
got Baltimore at LA on the road against San Francisco
minus four and a half.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
All right, I love it. I have a very dangerous weekend.
I've got your wives gone too. No, no, she's not.
And I'm gonna be covering michigan'sate hockey and basketball weekend.
A lot of work, but it'll be it'll be a
fun weekend. The I am gonna jump on Harry's recommendation
plus nine ms to be stayed against Georgia.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I do like that. That line has only risen. I
have to add that there are a couple teasers I like,
and when I like teasers, I get a little. But
I really like some teasers this weekend. I like a
two team NFL teaser, which which always you know things
can go wrong. I like the Lions. You can bring
that down. If you do a seven point NFL taser,
you can bring the Lions down from minus eight to

(11:13):
minus one pretty much, make it a pick them. And
then I love the Seahawks at home against the Cardinals.
I just think the Seahawks are really good and the
Seahawks at home are minus seven. It's the Cardinals that
brings it down to pick them. You know, a six point,
a six point teaser, I would feel safe with that.
I like that minus one forty. Yeah, but if you
do a six point, it brings down like minus one twenty.
Do a six point or get the Lions. That get

(11:35):
a minus one for the Seahawks and minus two for
the Lions. I like that a lot. And then the
dangerous one. And not every book takes these, but some
of them do. The thirteen point four team teaser. These
not for the fame of it. You warn people to
grab a pen before your picks. Grab a pen, shit,
grab a pen. Lions. Now these ties lose on these,

(11:58):
so you can't tie them Lions. This brings down the
plus five, which really plus four at the Commanders, which
which I like an awful lot, brings usc at home
against Northwestern down to minus one, which I like an
awful lot. It brings Indiana to minus one and a
half uh at Penn State, which I like. Uh, you

(12:18):
might imagine an awful lot. And then Iowa if plus
six and a half goes to plus nineteen and a
half at home against Oregon, that's my four team can't
miss teaser.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Uh minus what? Uh?

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That that would be basically depends on the book. But
a lot of places it's going to be like minus
one thirty And that's that's for It depends on one
where you get it. Uh, download the fire Keepers eyecas
you know on sportsbook cap make your own teaser bets
have some fun.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
So I got to go at one correct and then
which leg? But you can't break it up? You know? Yeah? Right, No,
I've got mad at Graham again because it makes sense.
Now that's why teasers are so they tease you. They're
glorious because you look at you. How could this loose?
You bet? You said, I see wow? Maybe back in
the day, but now, yeah, I realize what I'm getting

(13:07):
myself into. But with those teasers, when there's games that
you like and you see it go down to a
line like, how could this possibly lose but keep the
NFL out of those things? I like it.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But yeah, anyway, that's that's where I h That's where
I'm at this weekend. Nothing on the Premier League. There's
a lot of dicey games go the way. So yeah,
you should have added like a soccer six leg minus
one eighty. Now there's some soccer I kind of like,
but it's mostly around Europe and I don't love it,
so I'm not gonna not gonna give it out here.
All right, let us dig into these groovy donut Twitter questions.

(13:40):
All right, Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Eric sheltzup, First, you suggested that Kurtang would have transferred
if MSU brought in a big ten caliber starting shooting guard.
Yet two years ago, when Cohler and Cooper were sophomores,
you argued MSU should have brought in a big because
it wouldn't have been seen as a recruiting over them.
Would have been reiving seen as recruiting over them. Why
would this have been different?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
It's the people involved, I mean, and I think it's
I just my under I think it's possible they would
have been able to keep Kurtang either way, I think
it just would have been an interesting situation. And we're
further along in the portal era, but mostly it's every
situation is just different with people. And I think you

(14:24):
could have made the case the Kohler and Cooper and
who knows, you know, but two years ago when they
were sophomores or or after their freshmen we were talking
about after their freshman year going into their sophomore years
what we're talking about. And with Kurtang, I just don't
know if if the patients would have been the same.
And that's just that's just my gut and my intel

(14:45):
on things. I just think it's different, different person. But
in terms of situations, you could argue it wouldn't be
if you're Kurtang and you think this is your level
and you can be a good Big ten player.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I know they're, you know, bringing in a shooting guard
next year and Jasiah Jervis, but like, you stay the
course here, if you're a shooter and you're a player,
like you'll find your time, You'll find your role. The
way they play the two in the three at Michigan State,
they often play three guard line like there will be
room for you if you develop, you don't need to
be in a rush. It's just hard to tell that

(15:16):
to kids these days.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Dominic. Next, Jason, why is Graham going to act like
Wisconsin is a trendsetter? And how MSU will be taking
a big risk firing Smith and then circle back to
Haller getting a raw deal and pretending he wasn't a
cuckboy of an AD then conveniently spin into a live
read for a Hawaiian Bowl. Saw you repost that yesterday,

(15:39):
Wisconsin AD, and I'm like, oh man, this is going
to be the push for Smith to stay this Wisconsin
a D. I am not no, I was. I mean,
I understand keeping fickle, though I could. I could see that.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I felt really bad for Jesse Temple, who's doing the interview,
because he Jesse Temple has worked for the Athletic, He's
worked for other organizations in Madison. He's been a good
beat really good beat writer for a long time and
now he works with this Badger connect.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So you reposted it you felt bad for him? Well,
I did.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I just I thought it was interesting information to see
an a D. I didn't think the AD came off
very well. I thought it was just interesting to post
their situation, you know whatever. I just sharing the information
till I'm doing. And that's partly why they did the
interview there. They know he knows Temple and that the
Badgerick connect I think is tied to Wisconsin to some degree.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
But it so you weren't trying to push a narrative
for Smith might be posting that. No, no, no, not
at all. Maybe repost it with a little tidbit of
what you thought about it. You're just reposting, and I'm
seeing him like, oh, here we go, We're going to
be spinning for Smith coming back.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
No, no, I don't think and I don't think Fickle
should should come back, and now I don't I don't.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I but do you really think that they're going to
pour money into it? I just the response that is right? Why? Why?
Why not? Until now? What?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
What's the you know, I don't know what's changed, what
would change? You know, I don't know all their issues,
you know. I mean there could be an argument that
the state of the program when he took over, there's
been sort of a deep introspection and it was in
such bad shape and they've done some things that they like,
I don't see it because what I see there, which
is way worse than what's happened at Michigan State, is

(17:14):
you had a coach who took the identity of a
program which was this like dominant offensive line and maybe
their offensive line wasn't as good when they came in anyway,
but and went to an air raid attack. It was
much more what John L. Smith did in sort of
changing the identity of the program, and that's more dangerous
if it fails. I don't think Jonathan Smith tried to

(17:34):
do that. They've tried to. I think fit very much
a style of play that would have fit a lot
of eras of MSU football just hasn't worked. But that
his sins are different than Luke Fickles.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I think Dominic Graham with Elizabeth's blessing, would you share
a frat house for one calendar year with Michael Patrick Shields,
Ryan Shuling and Matt C for three hundred grand rules
have to host weekly vegan dinner parties with MPs and
tim scoop it and wake up every day to Matt
C yelling about Haller. So there are a few things

(18:10):
that would be important here. The answer is yes, MPs
would never be there. He's a traveling guy, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, it's the answer would be yes, but I would
have to would be like uh, you know, prison work release.
I'd have to be able to leave during the day,
continue to do my job, be able to go home
and see my wife and and hang out, you know
like it. So I couldn't be like I was trapped
the rules. It couldn't be like I was trapped there
because that's not worth three hundred k. But three hundred K, well,
you don't get to make the rules. Well, I'm not

(18:36):
going to pay you three hundred grand. The following the rules,
I'll host the damn dinner parties. I'll I'll wake up
to Matt C. I'll bring Alan Haller over for these
dinner parties. Matt Cee and Alan Haller. By the way,
how much are we paying Matt C to hang out.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
With U MFS. That's fair, so we should be asking
you think Matt C's just gonna do this for free.
I mean, Jesus the guy he gets something like what
the friendship. Alan Haller would be over there every Tuesday
night Card Night U kor Knight. Graham would stand up
and clap every time Haler came in the house, absolutely
getting a plut dominic. Hypothetically, gentlemen, if a prostitute isn't

(19:12):
actively prostituting currently, is she in fact still a prostitute?
And why is the answer? Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, it's just like if a writer isn't currently writing,
are they still a writer? The answer yes. It's one
of the oldest, most noble professions. So I don't see.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
I don't see what the Once a hooker, always a hooker. Yeah,
Jeff Kohler, in your opinion, what do we need to
do to win the Arkansas game?

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, I think score and that sounds cuff doesn't play. Yeah, No,
there are a lot of why have you heard something?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
No, oh, I'm just saying it would be you know,
if he didn't play, would be a lot easier to
be Arkansas. Well, yeah, no, I think it is. Yes, sorry,
the Arkansas injury report, I would scooped you.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's very easy to do. So No, I think there
are a few things I do wonder right now, like
if this is a track meet, can MSU keep pace
and so I think that's a real question, and do
they have the offensive punch and can they find the
rhythm early enough? The other thing I think is they've
got to they've got to win on the glass, and

(20:17):
Arkansas has got good size. But I think this is
an area where partly with Jackson, who's a big part
of this, but with I think MSU can be a
good rebounding team and they're gonna have to be this year.
They've got a you know, one shot opportunities for for Arkansas.
But but you know, I don't think Michigan say it's
a great defensive team right now, and maybe they'll become one.

(20:38):
They got too many new pieces that aren't. That's just
not their strength right now and we'll see if it
ever is.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
So.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
In a game like this where you have the crowd
on your side, can you keep can you score, can
you run with them? Can you find fluid offense that
keeps the crowd going, that keeps the energy going, and
then can you rebound to the point that it's one
and done for Arkansas and it's some second chance opportunities
for Michigan State. That's my guest right now, just having
watched a little of Arkansas and in Michigan State through

(21:05):
the two exhibitions in.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
The have you seen a spread on this game?

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I have not yet somebody suggested it's one and a
half for Michigan State minus. When I see that right
now in action an action network action. Okay, so that's so,
but there's not an Actually, you can't bet that. There's
no actual line out on the game. So, for example,
there's no place you can bet it right now. I
don't believe until the least this afternoon. Maybe by the
time you listen to this you will be able to
There was not this morning, There was not last night.

(21:30):
Usually they're up by about four or five pm the
day before, so I don't think there is. But if
it's minus one and a half, like yeah, I mean
I picked Arkansas, I just I think right now they've
they've got a little more and more to them.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
But we'll see next one from Jeff Kohler thus far,
which combination of five guys is the biggest plus minus
on the year. Do you see a light yet or
still too early? Sad to see your seats gone, can't
fist bump you while writing three hot takes anymore? Yeah,
I'm sad to see the the oh mid hot take
now he comes over at the end. Yeah it's great. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

(22:09):
I'm in the middle of a takes.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Jeff, Sorry, I I too am sad to see that
the seat's gone. I'll be a lot more women's games
this year where you still sit on the floor, just
for that experience.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
I'm surprised you guys aren't more pissed off about that.
Isn't that a better seat, like on the floor? Way
better seat? Well, it's a way better seat if you
if you like and know basketball. And what I mean
by that is like Comparoni, Comparoni doesn't no ball. And
I don't mean that to put Comparoni down. He would
tell you that he's a football like when if Comparoni
sits courtside at like Ford Field for the Final Four,
he watches the whole game on the big screen even

(22:41):
though he's court side because he because from that angle,
he doesn't digest it very well. For me, in football,
if I'm if I'm a field side, I don't digest
it as well as I do from above. But in
basketball it helps me to be court side. You know.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's I just see a lot more. Yeah, you can
bring people a lot more. Yeah it sucks, but what
are you gonna, dude to complain? I mean, they sold
those seats. They're probably making a decent amount of money.
I think there's a benefit to being down low, if
you're talking about like I think the radio guys who
are sitting next to us, I didn't realize they'd been
upstairs for a while should be down low more than using.
You're supposed to be bringing sights and sounds in color.

(23:16):
Is that why team can't see the game? I think
those guys, I'm sure. I think there are advantages of
being down low everywhere, but I also get the financial
part of it. And the thing in Michigan State is
practices are still largely open, and the locker room's open.
The ability to do your job as we've been able
to do is still mostly there. So like, what are
you going to do? I mean, you're not gonna win

(23:36):
the argument, you know. I mean I can make an argument.
It's not a great one. You guys were told not
to complain. I see, I can make an argument that
some of us should be down there and some of
us shouldn't cop get up there.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
He was up there because I think he preferred it.
I don't think he'd he would tell you that doesn't
I've sat next he's been covering MSU basketball for like
thirty years.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
How does he not know ball?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
What I mean is he doesn't know how to digest
it from a court side angle. I've sat next to
him court side at final fours and he is watching
up on the big screen. It's just a different Is
he looking for himself? No, I just think he's watching.
That's how he likes the game from above. He just
sees it better. And that's that's fine. There's nothing that's right.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
In front of you. You're on the court, all right, what.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So to the to the question though, the which combination
of five guys as the biggest plus minus yet on
the year? And again it's one game other than the exhibition,
So you could you could factor those in the I
think I mean to me, it's clearly Fears Coler and
it would be interesting if you brought in the Bowling

(24:38):
Green game and what that did for for Cohen car
But the one that's up there is and I know
is up there, is Jordan Scott and that's he was
the third best behind Fears and Coler in the previous
game in the opener. His plus minus is pretty decent.
I believe at Yukon and that's you, and plus minus

(24:59):
is a flawed that right, you have to overtime it.
It can get and it can you know, there are
different ways to look at it, but straight plus minus
is a flawed sack because who you're on the court
with and different runs happened. It's not exact, but it
can be telling to some degree and it can reinforce points.
But I would guess that the top five are Fears, Cohler, Scott,

(25:25):
and then Carr and I would be curious to see
what cam Ward's numbers are because kim Ward doesn't do
you know, I don't think his are his early up there.
It's it's a it's a good question who the who
the who? The fifth guy would would be in this
in this scenario, but I do know for them, cam

(25:46):
Or would be one guy. I would be curious to
start next to Cohler if I were. I don't know
if this is the matchup for it to debut it,
but as things go on, that would be a lineup
I would be looking at. As you're trying to get
more off and a little bit different.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Look smart Sparty Barb Next. MSU basketball has a tough
game this Saturday. Besides Darius a kuff who is the
other razorbag that MSU needs to shut down to get
a victory. And also from Derek in Cleveland, how long
until Jordan Scott is the starting two guard and Tang
is back to being the ninth man. Scott's length makes
him more valuable even if he's not hitting shots. Plus

(26:25):
Fort seems to seems built for instant offense off the bench.
I think j R. Smith, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Know what they're gonna do with I think there's a
chance they make a move with Kirtang this game, and
that you want they wind up starting trey Ford. I
think he'd be the next in line to start, and
see what that looks like. I do know what you
mean though about Fort and what he what he looks
most equipped to like trey Ford is never there is.

(26:53):
Tray Ford is like me. When he trey Ford looks
at a shot, it's like me looking at a groovy
don't right? It is like that, that's mine. I'm shooting that.
The best thing we can do right now is me
to pull up and shoot this. He has that mentality,
and I think that's going to wear on I iszo
at times, but I also think this team needs a
little of that from its shooting guard needs a little

(27:13):
of that because Cohen Card isn't really this fluid natural
wing in certain ways, that is a score.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
And so.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Until they find some offense, I think he you know.
I The thing about Kirtang and the reason I would
start Kirtang in this next game and even maybe for
the foreseeable future unless it becomes really really obvious that
there's a better option, is because part of managing a
roster this early in the season is keeping up egos
and confidence and making guys that you think you're going
to need down the road feel good about themselves. And

(27:45):
I'm not saying you have to play Kirtank starters minutes,
but starting the game is fairly irrelevant. But if he
plays the first stretch, plays the first four minutes, and
winds up playing twelve to fifteen minutes, you haven't you know,
you're not watching yourself anything but seeing if he can
get hot early. And it's not like anybody other than
Jordan Scott has really played themselves in you know a

(28:07):
ton better now. The thing about Scott though, is he's
you know, he's been gritty, he's been aggressive, he's been
a lot of things, but he's not yet shown to
be a score. So I don't know if you put
him with with Carr, like I do you have enough
offense and shooting there, you know, I don't know. I
think I would be inclined to start Kurtain at least
another game. But you know, it's in terms of Arkansas

(28:32):
Arkansas basketball roster and those who haven't seen a Cuff
Darius A Cuff. He was a Detroit kid. I I
was a you know, he played kaz Tech, let him
to state titles a sophomore before going down IMG. They
have another freshman though, Malik Thomas, who is had seven
assists in the first game. So did Dj Wagner, who's

(28:53):
who's more of a season guy. But those that's kind
of their backcourt. This Trevon Brazil who had twenty five
and eleven big man. The big guys aren't like you know,
low post big guys, but Brazil can stretch it a
little bit. You know, obviously can rebound and score. So
it's a it's a nice it's a nice team. And
they are about eight deep, and they come at you

(29:14):
defensively with the man defense, some pressure, some full court stuff.
It'll be. It'll be a challenge. It'll be a big
game for Jeremy Fears to show that he can. I
think is put it, Fears has to be a rock,
and I think that was a good way of putting it.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
John Noddy, do you think Izzo is going for a
traditional starting lineup or strengthen numbers Part two? Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Well, strengthen numbers came out of the idea that they
were trying to figure out. Partly was keeping everybody happy
when some guys weren't starting, but part of it was
your bench for a while last season before they made
some changes, was better than your starting lineup, arguably, and
so that sort of naturally happened. Isa would love to
have great depth, but he's not going to have the

(29:57):
same deal this year. I I don't think there is deep.
I don't think there's good as deep, and so it'll
be interesting to see what the rotation ultimately looks like.
You're gonna have several guys close to thirty minutes. I
think Fears will be there, Car will be there. Cohler
might be there too. The thing about the position Coler
plays is that's a lot a lot of minutes on

(30:17):
somebody who's asked to do what you're asking of him.
I would guess he's more in the twenty six to
twenty eight range over the course of the season. But
you're gonna have I mean, and that's not really a
strength of numbers approach they've got. There's a little more separation,
especially when you think about the point guard.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Alex mayor if it was one hundred percent your call,
who's your starting five right now? More importantly, who is
your closing five? I think it would be.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think my starting five, and I mean, I think
Carson Cooper has a valuable player, but there's a part
of me that really would like to see what Coler
cam Ward with Cohen Carr. I think I would start

(31:09):
kurtang one more game with Fears. What my closing five
would be, though I would let the game dictate that
I don't I don't know who that is, and it
would be a game by game thing. There's an argument
that you know, Jordan Scott should be in there, or
Trey Ford or whatever however you want to look at it,
and and obviously there can be some matchups for that
could be in the cam Ward is a really interesting

(31:30):
player for me, and I know he hasn't necessarily shown
out statistically. I like his game. I think it's only
gonna his I think he's only going to increase and
you're not gonna see less of Cohler if if his
role increases, So where does his role? I think you
see more of him and Cohler together. I think that's
a nice skilled pairing.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Alex Mayor. What has Bryce Underwood done in college and
not as a high schooler to warrant talk about him
being a potential top overall trap pick.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
So there was a lot of heat on Nick bomb
Gardner Jason for his comments about price Underwood. Oh yeah, yeah,
people just saying this guy totally lost the all credibility. Well,
I'll say this about Nick bomb Gardner and football.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
He knows ball.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, he knows football better than anybody else in the
media around here, that's my opinion.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And he knows line place only knows a lot of things.
He studies it better, except about Underwood. That's when he
doesn't right. So and what he means and to his point,
like there is a lot of really good like Bryce
Underwood does not have great receivers, does not have an
elite line. He's not an elite quarterback yet. But he
has certain elite traits and very few and no red

(32:41):
flags that I've seen. So you're talking about a potential
top overall draft pick three years from now. Everything we've
seen from him so far in terms of arm strength,
being able to stand in there and make somem throws
under pressure, would lead you to believe he has that potential.
He is not that right now. I did when he
said that. I was a little like I mean, I
think he's not always a strength of their team at

(33:03):
this point. But there are a lot of traits that
I can see where Nick and Nick evaluates an NFL
draft prospects all the time. It's what he does and
he does it very well.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So and is that coaching why Underwood is not having
success right now? He is a true freshman right and
by the way, he hasn't gotten into any trouble, which
is shocking. I saw a video of him driving a Corvette,
like I could imagine being that age and having that
amount of money.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
If you had that kind of money with a corvette
at age nineteen, what would happen dead?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'd be dead. I'd be dead. I was not meant
to have any kind of wealth like that. Yeah, yeah, no,
I convinced that. Yeah, Professor Bazuka to the head. Is
this Cohen Carr's last season in East Lansing? I do not.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I did not think so, but you never know, Like
I don't. He doesn't look right now like a guy
who's the NBA is going to be knocking down his
door after this year. And so the question is, you know,
do you have the resources and does he feel like
this is the place to spend next year? And I
think MSU will. I think Cohen car is a smart guy.
I think he has a sense of how beloved he

(34:12):
is at MSU and and what he means to that
and what it means to like stick around and how
that can benefit you. I think they'll also pay him
pretty well to stay. The flip side of that is,
I don't know what this year will be for him,
Like if this year for him is kind of like
jay Naken's last year where he's trying to be something

(34:33):
he's not because he feels like it's time to be
it and there's a little bit of crowd backlash and
some negativity. Does that change how he feels about things
by the end of the year and that. I don't know.
That would be the one scenario in which I thought maybe.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
He'll and the only person that's negative about Cohen cars you.
So I am not how any negativity would get to
Cohen like well, I write, and we'd have to stop
that immediately if it happens. Text him with every negative
thing I write about constantly. Yeah, stop doing that, because
you're gonna end U given out his number and then
he's gonna really leave and then everybody's gonna hate you.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Five one step number. The he does not have a
five one to a number. So I'm off. We missed that.
We missed one from Sparto.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
God, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Hold on, it's gonna be one of those shows. Wait,
Professor Spartolomah.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Does anyone else feel like Izzo is building elite college
teams while the rest of the top tier Big Ten
programs are building NBA teams. Getting the top high school
talent we're getting is exciting, but it's hard to envision
them being competitive against rosters with players in their mid twenties.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
This is a good question because it this is I
was doing. I think you got to recruit the high
school level to some degree, and let I mean, unless
you're you're all in on the portal entirely. But like I,
it only works if guys stick around, if you get
the best years out of them, and if you know,
whether that's you know, Jase Richardson was one year, but
that was a worthwhile commitment because it was a heck

(35:58):
of a year, got him a big ten time, right,
there are other guys that you know, Deontay Davis was
really helpful in that year, but you didn't get the
best out of him the way the transfers working now,
if guys leave before you know, if if guys wind
up chasing money and there's a or just the paycheck,
or they have an experience they don't you know, love
or something. But I think as long as you get

(36:20):
in basketball, especially as long as you get, you know,
good years out of these guys, a sophomore year the
best year they give in college, I think you know
it's still it's you're right, it is.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It is a test.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
It is because if you look at next year's roster,
it's got to be a mix. You've got to have
some grown men out there. And again, I man, if
they had red shirted Jackson Kohler, if they had the
foresight to do that two years ago, and they had
him coming back next year. Because what you do need
is you need a grown man element to a team,
but you also need skill and high level stars and
still to this day, freshman and sophomores look at Jas

(36:53):
Richardson last year. The young guys who are talented enough
can do it now. Cooper Flag is the extreme, but
that gud was, you know, reclassified and what's the best
player in college basketball and the number one draft picks
and already doing it in the NBA. It's about the
maturity the guy and how ready they are and how
long you can keep and develop them, and to this
point has been able to have that kind of program still,

(37:15):
So I don't you know, I don't. I don't think
it's necessarily know the wrong approach for him.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Professor. What is your favorite Lions uniform? Combo Go Lions Restore,
the Roar. I love the Thanksgiving, the retro, the Bobby
Lane old school, I like anything for the nineties. Any
of the Barry Sanders like combos. I love those. I
like our black ones, but the ones we went in
I'm worked to a huge.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Fan of just the plain silver helmet and plain blue
jersey with the plain silver pants and those that's what
you're talking about. The Thanksgiving they first started wearing him,
like the Barry Sanders era, when they first had some wins.
I remember a Monday night game against Dallas with when
they won and they get to like two and one
out of the year with Barry.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I just remember giving Chris Fielman scoring a defensive touchdown
and then doing the old school where you had to
spike it, where you slam the ball down the end zone.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
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Speaker 1 (38:11):
They'll do those.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I mean those probably the easiest ones to do, actually,
because there's not like extra drawings of little Lions and
other things like that. But if you have a team
you know you want, or you a team you want
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Then in November they've got this cookie butter old fashion

(38:34):
that looks absolutely tremendous. I'm going to try, for sure
an orange and cranberry fritter. And you've seen me eat
a fritter Jason's. It's a beautiful sing It is disturbing. Yeah,
and also going on through November thirtieth, my maybe absolute
favorite donut is this has changed how they're a couple

(38:54):
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(39:16):
pumpkin cheesecake with ginger snap do it like?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
It is worse. I do find you, but I don't
eat that like a normal person. Yeah. I don't eat
their donut donuts like and that's why I do it
at home, just out of everybody's view. Bulky Bartacamas, did
you ever reveal the name of who the mystery players
ms you pursued in the portal last spring. Where did
they end up? What happened?

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well, so one of the guys was was R. J. Lewis,
the Saint John's Saint John's guy, and I think at
one point they thought they were pretty they had a
real good shot at him, and he wound up. He
didn't wind up in college. He's at the Urinal Portal.
Ye had two eight contract with the Utah Jazz.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Waved on the October he's with the Celtics G League affiliate,
the main Celtics in Maine. So he's living a main life.
Uh our friend, our friend in uh uh in southern Maine.
I think he's the Gavroche of Southern Maine this week.
Can can go check him out.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
So David Jackson MSU basketball needs a six to ten
plus player added to the twenty six twenty seven roster
to play with McCulloch. Did you see this player being
a freshman or a portal veteran. Well, it's sort of
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I think if if Michigan State is to get Ethan Taylor,
the seven foot or two hundred and forty five pounder,
I mean he's a top couple center in his class,
that would be it you know, that would be I
think he's going to be a McDonald's all American like
that would be it. And if you had now, I
still think if you look at next year's roster and

(40:51):
you've and you wind up with Taylor, which is a
great get, and you wind up when he's still got McCullough,
I I think you probably still got to add another
center in the portal, uh, you know, out of it.
Just somebody a you know they've done this before, just
a backup style. Somebody can provide minutes and size and
some experience, because just going with two one was a

(41:12):
freshman is a little little dicey. And I think Iso
going back years when he had all those injuries and
he had to play Kenny Goins at center as a
backup with Nick Ward, I think I don't think he'll
ever go into a year where just a numbers wise,
he may, you know, he's had years where he didn't
have enough season fives, but I don't think numbers wise,
he'll ever be in a position like that.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Again, next one from David wasn't Northwestern dying on the
field and Fitzgerald's final seasons what makes him a good choice?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, yeah, I mean, they've had they had some up
and down years and they were not great at the
very end. I think he's just a good coach. I
think he did things at Northwestern that you could never
expect to be done at Northwestern and did it pretty
consistently over the course of different.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Time in a different era football though.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
But I think at another place, and I think, first
of all, I think he's got a chip on his shoulder.
I think he's a guy who's got another chapter and
he's ready to show that he's got something there. And
I think at a big state school, he's probably always wondered,
like what could I do with those sort of resources,
that ability to recruit to that I just I just
think he's a good coach. I think he's a great communicator.
I think fans would love him, and I you know,

(42:24):
I just think he's somebody who did not leap around
when he was at Northwales. Like like, if you hire
a Pat Fitzgerald, if it works out, you're probably getting
a decade plus out of that guy. Like, he's not
somebody who left around out And I know Northwesterns is
alma mater, but like, you know, there's a real argument
that that's that's the type of hire. You're not getting

(42:44):
some young guy who's gonna move on to a big payday.
You can be worried about after five years. But I
also just think he's a good coach and I think
he did a lot at Northwestern that in a place
it's hard to win, and elevated that program at a
pretty consistent level. And yeah, they have some shortcomings. That's
a tough place, especially as the transfer portal was starting
to hit. They had trouble bringing transfers in because of

(43:05):
some academic requirements. I think some innil things were tough
early on for them, and they got the front end
of that and they're starting to figure some of that
stuff out. But I have a lot of faith in
paps Gerald overall as a coach.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Sounds like it. Last one from David after the game
on Saturday? Where can I possibly walk and find a
place to sit where I can watch football seven o'clock games?
You know the game I want? Or must I sit
in my car and watch on my phone?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
So which game are you talking about Saturday? Because that
depends on the walk. If you're talking about the hockey
game at month at four o'clock, that's over at six thirty,
or you're talking about catching the end of the football
and you need to get somewhere quickly. I'm going to
assume hockey. So you're out of there at like six thirty.
You've got half an hour. You know, Front forty three
and Cast Companies not there.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I did say to sit where I can watch football
seven o'clock games.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Yeah, yeah, so it must be six thirty. Yeah, you
got half an hour. It's a little bit of a
little bit of a hike. I would recommend getting in
your car and driving to Front forty three Casking Company.
H There are places on campus. There's a b dubs there. There,
there are places that will have all the games and
things like that. But uh, I if you if you
can get there and it's there's a really quick drive
get away from the Mayhem, Front forty three and Casting

(44:14):
Company Jeff Peterson.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Way too early to tell. But does MSU make the
NCAA tournament this year? If they don't, why not? If
they do, who leads them?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I think they do because I think they have a
high enough floor even if things go really wrong, and
I think it's baked into the culture of that program.
How important it is, and those veterans in that program
would would work like hell to make sure it happened.
And they're just good enough, I mean they're they're good
enough for that not to not to fall that far
unless the only way to me that they're on the

(44:47):
wrong side of a bubble this year even if even
if things aren't don't go well and I don't I
don't anticipate this, that happening for them would be injuries.
Like if you lose a you know, a Fears or
a Cohler, like what that does to you? Know that
then you've got then you might have issues. But short
of that, I think you're you're you're safe.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Is oh for pres next one more. Rossi's defense didn't
record a sack for half of the last season, in
some of the season. Now he comes out of the
booth and yells a little bit, and we want to
make him our head coach.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
We really are cooked well. People are just gullible. I
mean that's what it is. It just I mean, look, anybody,
I'm gonna tell you right now, I could. I could,
I could put on the performance that Joe Rossie is.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I'm not saying I could coach a defense as well,
but I could make you love me on the sidelines.
It's just that part of it's a little bit.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I think it's more of a commentary on Jonathan Smith,
it is, unfortunately yea, yeah, It's not like everybody thinks
Rossi's doing this unbelievable job.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Right, He's just showing some emotion and the contrast between
him and Smith, and this is what's yelling at penalty
flags is Oh, for pres what will we learn first
number one, why Max Bullo was suspended, to the real
story behind why Trey Hollman transferred. And doesn't matter how
good of a fundraiser Jay Batt is. If nobody wants
to donate, well, his job is to make people want

(46:05):
to donate, right, And that's that's the key. That's the
whole job of being a good fundraiser is to make
people feel a part of things, make people feel like
this is worth their contribution. And I mean, the guy
got Kid Rock to go on the field there.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I think we could Kid Rock in studio if we
really wanted to think so, maybe what an interview that
would be? We should try. Let's make that effort to
do that. I don't know Kid Rocks people well, we
could reach out. We have the governor, you know how
hard kid Rocky.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
The real story to have a big wretch back with Kid,
that would be an amazing, amazing interview. The real story
behind why Holliman transfer, I mean is from what I know,
he wanted to be a point guard and he also
wanted to maximize his worth. He did get a little
more money and he would have gotten in to Michigan
State at NC State from what I understand, but he
wanted to be the guy. He wanted to run the

(46:55):
show and he knew that wasn't gonna happen in ms U.
And I think he felt like even if he beat
Fears out, that wasn't gonna happen for MSU. That Jeremy
Fears was the guy as the coaches saw it, and
uh and Holloman saw his his best path to be.
You know, Trey Holloman was reaching the end of his career,
a college career, wants to be an NBA guy probably
not gonna happen. Didn't see his role his performance at

(47:15):
Michigan State getting him there. And also, if you've got
if you're not going to get there, you want to
maximize your income for one year. Now it did. It
cost him legendary status at Michigan State. It did, but
I don't think it was. This is not some malicious
you know, there's not some This isn't like Michael Jordan
retiring because of gambling debt, you know, sort of, I
mean forced by you know, the commissioner of h Yeah,

(47:37):
it's not.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's not that Austin Wolf next does Jay bat Lack
of communication about the future of Smith just put a
damper on his this recruiting class. If you think you
may keep him, high school seniors may want to know that.
Also sounds like a lot of chips are going to
be put in the corporate sponsorship pile. Now I have
four people hired to help ad fundraise while they are

(47:58):
cutting graduate programs. Spartan venture better be something spectacular.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well, see, this is where it's really important that MSU
athletics remains separate from MSU and and self sufficient and
funding itself. I mean, this is you can argue there's
a better, different way to do college athletics where the
university they're part of the greater university, and that they
the university helps fund them. And this is the way
it works. It a mid majors and a lot of

(48:24):
schools where they have to either you know, have to
be subsidized by the university in Michigan State. When you don't,
they have not had to do that, and by not
doing that, it allows them to spend certain ways, and
it allows you to have cut at the university while
you're doing certain things in athletics and athletics and it's
best times at MSU is given back to the university.
It's not been in that spot in a little while,

(48:44):
but that's that's when things are really rolling well and
they have a surplus and they're able to, you know,
contribute back in certain ways. To the point on this
bat's communication, a lack of communication about the future of
Jonathan Smith put a damper on recruiting class. I don't
know how how you'd recruit right now anyway.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
I just did you have a ritz cracker or something?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Sorry, no, take all in my throat. Yeah, you know,
I think his lack of saying anything says a lot
and read it like you want to.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Okay. Next Magic calls out MSU's lack of inspiration, and
five days later Smith benches Childs is this deeper chest
from Smith a message about the program's direction and a
nod to the donors. Magic doesn't tweet like that often,
and the lack of talent showed Saturday for d Chest.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
There's no way it was Magic mad has either Magic
never sends his own tweet and this was his first tweet.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
So how would you hire someone to do what Magic
tweets about? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I don't what a gig going through Magic say? The
obvious all right? Done is somebody who has gone through
Magic to people for things. I can see a situation
where he has never tweeted himself.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, oh I could see that. But well, why though
it's a terrible bit, I would have someone like.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, a little bit better, a little more snart, yeah,
a little it was just a little something, little edge,
a little just a little yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I don't think there's any forty chests being played. I
understood that.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
It is possible that somebody from MSU reached out to Magic's.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
People for that, but it's on Twitter. Magic does okay, Yeah,
because serious, Okay, I just want to make sure mall
dog next. What is preventing Jays Clarizio from seeing the field.
His speed could bring some much needed explosiveness in the
run game.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Well, this is a good question and it won't need
to be asked again. And I'll when I saw this,
I jotted it down for to put on asked Monday,
because it's been asked and answered a few times, but
not in a few weeks. And so now you're past
the point where you know, if he played from here
on out, you could play in still red shirt. So
it means he's not healthy enough for ready or whatever.
And but I am curious what the status is of.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Him ta true to Snell. Do you the sense that
MSU fans are okay with Jonathan Smith coming back because
they may feel they can't find that much better of
a coach for the money buy out and overpaying another coach. No, No,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
I don't. I don't feel I mean there are there
are exceptions. We've had people right in and say that
they wouldn't they would want them back, and I'd say,
in emails over over tweets, I would say, it's more
you know, thirty percent or one third that range of
people who think maybe he should come back. And so
I you know, I don't think it's it's not It's

(51:34):
not like It's not a consensus, but it's it's it's close.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Next one from Todd Could this be the year? Could
this year be the most discouraging MSU sports year basketball
and football in a decade? Team down the road may
have a squad. Yeah, I mean it's it's it's too early.
With basketball, Let's let's see what they look like this month.
They got four really telling games and lots of time

(52:01):
to grow. And I agree with you on Michigan. Michigan
has a lot of talent. If their guard plays good enough,
they're gonna be ferocious. Should we be betting Arkansas? It
sounds like we're I don't know, waiting for what to
see stuff, and I feel like Arkansas is already.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
You know, I'm not going to bet the game, but
if I were somebody, if I were somebody who was
going to bet the game, I would bet.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
I would bet Arkansas. Yeah, Steve, you could just say
I would bet. Could a billionaire ever be named a
college head coach? Skip the middleman stuff and just let
him run the program. Seriously, Well, they'd have to know
how to do it, like things just baked. Yeah, Steve,
think about Matteshbiel. I mean, I mean this okay, but

(52:42):
you know again, and people get upset cause I keep
bringing up Bradley Beal, but he freaking traded for Bradley Beal.
You know, like what, let it go. I'm sorry, get
over it. I'm just saying what would be that moment?
And yeah, but making moves at least, I mean it
is interesting in Phoenix. You have to say that. Yeah, yeah,
even have fun. The other is and it'd be interesting

(53:02):
to see how you were allowed to actually fund that
if you were a billionaire, like if you were the coach,
then could you just pour your own resources? I hop
about dead by the time something like that happens. Yeah, yeah,
you know it'll be gone, right. I think fear Spartan's next.
Do we have the dumbest billionaires? If they are unwilling
to fully commit nil funds to a coach they didn't
get to choose, but are willing to throw money at
up money at a buyout and also the nil funds

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for the next coach.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
I want to say dumbest. So I just think petty
is the word. I mean, I think it is.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Can you be a dumb billionaire? Is it possible? I mean,
like a legit billionaire. It's not you can't be you
can't call someone dumb that's a billionaire. I mean you.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Would have to inherit a lot and fall ass backwards and.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Then yes, it's those those billionaires.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I can understand Woody Johnson getting you know right, So
I think it's it's feasible to do. Yeah, if you
make it from scratch, like even if you were given
one hundred MILLI turn it into a billion. Well, let
me see what the president's not worth is well, but
his is a lot on paper, right, that's what a
billionaire is.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Let's not get political here. A trillionaire. Oh yeah, yeah, no,
the answers, yes, the answers yes, sorry. Mark V. Is
Smith's buyout in a lump sum of thirty mili is
often and I hear or is it pro rated in
monthly installments worth about five million per year for the
next five years as I've read, What is your understanding

(54:30):
of the buyout and how it is structured?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, you're not, it's it's it's monthly payments. I believe
you're not. You're not giving you're paying him like he
gets paid per month. It's not a lump sum. From
what I call JG.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Wentworth.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I can look again at the buy but I believe
it'd be monthly payments.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
What if I want my cash now? Seriously? Would they
take that on?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
I love that commercial Smith call. It's a good commercial.
It's like the diabetes commercials with the Jardians. I like
the tune. It's really good. No, it's terrible. It's in
your head.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
It's not Adam Blonde. If UCLA Athletics are in bad
financial shape, can't we just offer them a few million
to take Jonathan Smith off our hands and take the
quarterback with him, saving in thirty three million dollar buyout.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
What a deal for UCLSA. So well, here's the thing.
You're onto something. In this sense, the best case scenario
for Michigan State is that Jonathan Smith's the perception of
him is better outside of East Lansing than it is
in East Lansing, that he's viewed as it you sure,
hold on, hold on, let me tell you this, and

(55:34):
that he because if he's gonna go somewhere else. What
an MSU could easily do is waive the Jonathan Smith
buy out that a school would have to pay for him,
even though that's been cut dramatically with with sint Taller's
been fired and then so that's sort of a deal
if you're a castrap program that you're going to get
him for free and then you're gonna offset some of that.

(55:54):
That's that is, That is the forty chess play absolutely all.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Right, Henry. No matter who MSU brings in, what record
are you expecting the record to be next year? If
they fire him and don't have a plan, it makes
no sense. If they got a plan, then do it.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
So what do I expect the record to be? I
think they'll be a middle of the I think they'll
be similar to what they are now. I do think
if there is. It's just hard to know what a
transition will look like because year one, even if you
hire the right guy, can be tricky and how much
money is there right away and all that stuff. But
you know, ideally you're in a situation where you're at

(56:35):
least a middle of the road program and at least
you're playing for a bowl game. And I think if
you could get to a bowl game next year, especially
a year one of somebody else, that would just bring
so much goodwill given what the program has been through.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Bill Pepper Junior, the third would you rather have Tyler
O'Connor or Aiden Shiles at quarterback this year?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Aiden Shiles, I mean I like Tyler and he had
you know that obviously was part of an enormous win
at Ohio State, and I think a really nice guy,
but like his play. A lot of that twenty sixteen
year was why they weren't like six and six and
why they were three and nine. Like they had good
quarterback play that year, they would have been in a
much better place. And and Chiles just has, you know,

(57:15):
his athleticism and everything. And when I mean, I don't
know that Tyler O'Connor ever completed twenty straight passes against
a team like in Indiana of Indiana's caliber. I mean
back then, he probably did against Indiana. But you know
what I mean, I think I think Chiles is quite
a bit above.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
But back to Smith, because you told me to hold on.
I don't know if he ever answered me, but I'm
saying no, But I'm saying I didn't. You know, you
said nationally he's viewed different than people at Michigan State.
That's obvious. But if you wanted to look into Jonathan
Smith as your next football coach, you're gonna look into
him and find out. Of course, maybe you still interview him,
But I just don't see that how nationally he's viewed
any differently, if especially if you look into the Michigan

(57:54):
State situation.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, it's a good question, like would he be a
good higher at Fresno State someplace that could pay a
buyout that or you know some what do he be?

Speaker 1 (58:03):
You know does? But is Fresno State a good I mean.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Well, I mean if you know Fresno State loses their
coach and then you know, and then like you look
at Yeah, you look at UCLA, I'll be very curious
to what they do. You look at Oregon State, like
I mean, I think there are some outside possibilities of something,
but you're right from from when you're inside it, so
to speak, it just seems like a hard sell right now.

(58:26):
It seems like he would have to go somewhere and
be a coordinator at least take a year off. And
but but I don't you know, again, I think a
lot of these contracts you have to at least try
to find a new gig to get the full buyo.
I need to look at more of the specifics I
have the contract have gone through it, but I don't
have it from here.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I think, can Jonathan Smith come in and tayle A
University what went wrong at Michigan State and how it's
going to be different here? Sure?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, I don't know, and I think there are things.
I mean, if you sit down with Jonathan Smith and
he was candid about certain things, I think he would
come across well as the type of person you want
representing your program. He's been good somewhere else. It just
didn't work in Michigan State. It's an argument for people
to really want Michigan State to win a couple of
these last games. They were able to get to five
and seven. He had two five and seven years. Things
really didn't work there. And I'll fish out of water.

(59:11):
I don't know that would be that's your best case.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I did show them the ocean. Weyer saw the ocean
man Bill Peppers Junior the third. When Ethan Taylor commits,
does this mean MSU is Natty bound twenty twenty six?

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Well, National championships take a lot to go right and everything.
What you would see, though, is you could see the
makings of a roster that was potentially really good. If
the freshman Wears ready as is their billing, and if
the guys come back, who are able to come back
Jimmy Fears Junior and Cohen Carr specifically, and he cam
Ward and not Yeah, I mean you could see how

(59:46):
they could be potentially a next level team with enough
veterans and talented youth guys and not really have any
holes on their roster. So you can see the possibilities
there to be a contender if that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Matt, see what needs to happen for this MSU basketball
team to win a national title? Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, I mean, somebody's got to really emerge at the
wing guard spots like they've got offensive wise, and maybe
you know, defensively they become elite or rebounding their elite
and they're able to but to win six games in
a row and have a seed from which it's really
feasible to do that, We're just gonna have to see

(01:00:31):
a lot of development at the two guard spot. And
because I think they're good enough at the point guard.
I think car in certain ways is good enough on
the wing. I think Cohler is good enough at the
four or five. I think cam Ward will develop in
other things. I think They've got some versatility inside. I
think they can be okay. The problem is they just

(01:00:51):
seem like they are a shooting guard slash wing short
right now, we just haven't seen those guys. Anybody merge
at that level doesn't mean it can't happen, but right
now that would be the something's got to happen there
to start to have them look like a team that
he could even be talked about like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Matt C. What is the percentage chance Smith is back
next year? Anything above zero percent and I'm gonna puke
in a trash can. Then I'll need to root for
zero to twelve next year. And from Corey o'strom Holy
Baptism by fire Jay batt Man, if you fire Smith
and raise money to buy him out, your risk being
short on anil necessary to procure upgraded talent, keep him

(01:01:34):
from theoretically raising more money for talent upgrades through the
donor base will be reluctant to give what to do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think once you're out on a coach,
once you've decided somebody's not your path to where you
want to be, you have to move on. You don't wait,
you don't You're wasting time. What's the percentage because Matt
C is gonna vomit? Well, you're gonna vomit, Matt C.
Because I don't think it's zero percentage. Not, I don't
think it's zero percent zeros Okay, I would put it.
I would put my my estimation though it's less than ten,

(01:02:05):
which is pretty low. That would be my estimation. Yeah,
zero means.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
There's Matt C. Yeah, well sorry, Matt, Sorry Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
When you and I live together and we're all doing
Khumbaya meetings with Alan Haller, we're talk living together because
you know I have to live with them for a
year for three Remember this is Dominic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I do hear your voice in my head when I
take that. I just wanted to play that uh spar
tim gun to your head? Who is MSU football head
coach for Game one in twenty twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So this is not what I never be I think
is gonna happen. But this is you're putting a gun
to my head, and if I don't get it right,
I have to say something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Right urban Meyer. It sounds like a guy that would
put a gun to your head would definitely want Urban Meyer.
So just tell him that if you told me gun
to my head, like gun to my head, and you're
you're what you say, here is your only chance at
living best odds and and so there are a lot
of things because because I don't think it's it all determined,
I would I would give you then, Sam, Pat Fitzgerald,
that would be my gun to my rest in peace?

(01:03:06):
All right, Big John Hogg pros and cons to Pat Fitzgerald.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Yeah, I mean the con is you know what is
his ceiling? There were some years at Northwestern that didn't
look great. The pros are he wanted a place where
winning was often very hard. Now he wasn't the beginning
of that. Randy Taylor, Randy Taylor, Taylor was the last
time whatever. Randy the late Randy the former Northwestern coach. Yeah, sorry,

(01:03:35):
hold on, love me, that's bad. I need to get
his name. Give me some hof one second. Late Randy
Garry Barnet still alive. Randy Walker, Randy Walker, Yeah, so
the Randy Walker, and carry the late Randy So sorry,

(01:03:56):
Randy Walker. That's bad. Fix that post anyway. But so,
and I do think he is somebody who knows the
big ten well. I think he understands Michigan State as
well as a lot of people outside of Michigan State
because he coached against them so much. He competed against
I mean, Michigan State played Northwestern a ton during his career,

(01:04:16):
and part of that had to do with Hollis wanted that,
and I think that was part of the deal when
Michigan State didn't go into the West Division and Purdue
and Purdue went West. I think Michigan State got more
games against Northwestern so they could have Chicago market. I
don't want to I could be a little off base there,
but there was a lot of games at Northwestern and
a lot of games against Northwestern, and Pat Fitzgerald is

(01:04:37):
very familiar with MSU and what made that program ticket
its best, and he'd have to learn parts of it.
But I just think he would be a fit, and
I think he'd be I think he's a really good coach.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Big John Hogg. Not a ton of Jews around MSU
Penn State Hockey this weekend. Why two premier programs playing
each other should be getting pumped up, pumped way up
by the conference.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
But one again they're dropping the ball. Yeah, this this
this sucks because you know it's you've got the number
one and number three teams in the country. Beyond that,
you've got Gavin McKenna, who's like a Sydney Crosby type
prospect the way he's viewed at Penn State coming into play,
a Michigan State team that has, you know, our tone,
maybe that guy for MSU. You've got a number of uh,

(01:05:22):
You've got fifteen NHL draft picks. You just got this
great epic weekend and it's on Big ten plus because
you got to do Wisconsin Northern Illinois basketball, Like you know,
I mean I at first I thought it was a
whole Ohio State Northern Illinois, which is worse. And I
did I did email about this because I was, you know,
I was curious about how they how they wound up

(01:05:43):
this way. And basically the the what I was what
I was told is Eric can pull up the pull
up the email.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I got it. I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
UH is the Friday night. The BTN doesn't have an
available window due to men's basketball contractual obligations. And what
sucks about this is that there are contractual obligations to
men's basketball. The whole point, the reason Big Ten Hockey
exists is that the BTN needed or wanted. They wanted
content for the Friday night BTN window, and so when

(01:06:18):
Penn State came along and started hockey, it was like, okay,
this is this is perfect. Now we can have Big
Ten hockey on Friday nights as programming they wanted programming.
And then they discovered that hockey doesn't raid as well
as volleyball and wrestling to some degree, and so they've
gone away from it, but they stabilized the sport incredibly.
I mean, the Big Ten almost killed college hockey. Almost

(01:06:39):
killed college hockey. There are a lot of it's only
a sport of sixty teams at the Division one level.
Lots of teams didn't know where they were going to go.
Bowling Green, for example, was like what league do you
go into? Some of these teams are now playing out
Western conferences like Western Michigan, and they've survived, they won
a national title and all that, but it is a
financial stress around these schools. It used to be a
bus league. They were in the c CHA and the
Big Ten came along and killed for programming on Friday

(01:07:01):
night on BTN. And now all these years later, you
get a really intriguing matchup Michigan State Penn State one,
verse three, and you've got contractual obligations to Northern fucking
Illinois basketball. I mean against Wisconsin. I gets it's a
Big Ten team, but like nobody in Northern Illinois cares
about basketball this time of year. Wisconsin's a little more

(01:07:22):
of a balanced school. But that's just that sucks, and
that sucks that has wound up being that way, And
it's okay to though that, like there's an understanding that
hockey doesn't rate that well. I just wish the Big
Ten would come out and say, you know, we actually
never would have done this. Their CCHA would still exist
as it did. The WHA if we knew this was
how hockey was going to rate.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I think there was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
One of the things that Pat Kenny the BTN told
me here was that there was once the football schedule
was finalized, the available window for hockey on Saturday was
eight pm. So if the problem then became Michigan State
hockey did not want to play at night because of
uh MS basketball against Arkansas at night, which is on

(01:08:06):
Fox at seven, So they moved a four and that
was not a window that they could they could have
a hockey game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
So that kind of sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
M SU basketball gott in the way of hockey in
this sense, and that's gonna happen Saturday nights a little
more understandable. They did have an eight pm window for
hockey if that had been available, So you know it's
there is there is a deal. Apparently the hockey game
on the Friday night is one of what they call it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
You know, there's some deals going on with with BTM
plus and so twenty two events on BTM plus that day.
So anyway, it's not great. It's not great. It sucks.
The Big Ten never should have had Big Big Ten
Hockey shouldn't exist. It's finally become a great league. But ultimately, yeah,
it sucks that it's not on at least on BTN
four as big an awesome an event and weekend as

(01:08:54):
this is for Michigan State and Penn State hockey.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
The Gaveruche of Southern Maine devro close Close is Chris
say the quiet part out loud until the world MSU
is a poverty program. When he's suggested the reason the
last home game is at Ford Field pipes froze and
MSU is too poor to fix them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I think, Chris, I do know that there was a
situation where the pipes froze. I do not think that
had anything to do with the Ford Field game. And
it was an ask by NBC in the Big Ten initially,
and there was some success with it. And of course
what really stinks for MSU is both the times they've
done this have been like at the end of potentially

(01:09:37):
end of coaching ten years, where things have gone really wrong,
and I guess in those situations it's better than having
it outdoors. But I wonder how long this will continue.
First of all, I think the college football season will
move eventually up a week so you want to have
Thanksgiving anymore in the regular season. And it also stinks
for the MHSA, which has like Friday Sunday games. I

(01:09:58):
don't think that's great right now. There are parts of
this that I think are fine, that I like, I
think a lot of fans have come to like, but ultimately,
if you're not on Thanksgiving week anyway, I don't think
it's something they'll continue. But I'm curious what Jay bat
thinks of it, and this will be his first experience
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
They Gavroche of Southern Maine, Jason, will you please choke
Graham every time he suggests Pat Fitzgerald as the next coach,
not as much as I want to choke him when
he wants me to pronounce Gavroche Gavroche.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
But yeah, you know you can if you can get
Gavroche twice for Halloween sixth and seventh grade, but sink Gavroche, Gavroche.
I wanted to be Gavroche so bad and lame is
till my voice changed. He's the kid, he's the kid
to gets shot and he does that. You know, he's
he's got a couple of great solos and he gets
killed at the barricades. It's it's a it's an amazing
role for a fifth or sixth grader. It's just it's

(01:10:50):
it's not uh yeah, it's bounding. Yeah, that's a story
almost we're telling, but told anyway. It's unfortunate you told it.
But by midtime Bruin Company in downtown Lanting, and if
you have a precocious young child who loves Leai misser
Rob like I do, you can get Gavroche on a
groovy donut.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
They will do that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
You just tell Andrew Monica, who gavroche is and they
will do they can do a lay Miss Groovy donut
that that would be incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Munfield keg Justin Finned and the message board Jabroni's
said that MSU's nil and portal offers matched other teams
last year, but kids wanted to go somewhere where they
could win. If that is the case, isn't it crazy
to pull a Wisconsin and publicly back Fickle for next
year while trying to say you will spend more. Yeah,

(01:11:34):
I mean so.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I I'm not on the message boards, so I don't
know exactly what's being said or what Justin said. They're
and Justin's Justin's pretty plecting guy. But I don't think
that that was entirely what happened with this semesguy football roster.
And I don't think they had all the money they
needed at certain times. It's not saying there weren't some
guys that they just didn't get because they weren't winning enough,

(01:11:56):
and that's that probably happened with some players, But I
don't think that's the story of this of this roster.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
MCV Wisconsin announced that they are bringing back Fickle for
the twenty sixth season. If MSU keeps Jonathan Smith, what
should the minimum expectations be for him to stay employed
beyond his third year? And from Chris, I can only
imagine the meltdown that MSU Twitter would have if Bat
came out and said that about Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
So the meltdown would be something, yeah, no, it would
be Look the expectations if the third year is not
going to happen, but because it would have to be,
I mean, I really don't think it's going to because
the whole thing it would have to be tied into
a real increase in resources and figuring a way to

(01:12:45):
spend and recruit at a higher level. And if that happened,
the expectation would be a lot higher. But if if
you can't raise the funds to really support a coach
at a different level, and you don't have a way
beyond the REV share to bring in a lot of
extra funds, you can expect certain things. I believe the
REV share alone at a school like Michigan State ought

(01:13:06):
to be enough for six and six every year. But
if you're not doing much beyond that, I don't think
you can expect much beyond that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
And that's that's yeah, it's just we're just I don't
think it's going there. Let's just say MCV. The animosity
towards Jonathan Smith seems to be fueled partly by the
fact MSU has a new ad with a cutthroat reputation.
What would the situation look like if Alan Haller was
still a d Well, let's go to a Matt C.

(01:13:33):
Alan Haller correspondent. Well, it would be interesting in this
sense that you know, ads are tied to coaches and
you see what's happening in Wisconsin, right and I I'm
sure Alan Haller would have he'd really want the Jonathan
Smith ere to work out, and he'd be The money

(01:13:55):
would be an issue maybe, But one of Haller's strengths,
and you can argue he had some weak This is
one of Haller's strengths was not hanging with people too long,
with you know, uncomfortable conversations with something he was willing
to have. You know, he moved on in volleyball when
that wasn't going to work. He was you know, there's

(01:14:15):
some other sports where there were some conversations had you know,
moved on in volleyball twice frankly, and in football it
was his conversations with D'Antonio and January of twenty twenty
that I think sort of led to the beginning of
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would have been would he have thought there was no
way forward? And I don't know that. Fossman eighty Jason
A messi is pronounced an sec. How do you say
a mec not an essay? A NeSSI? And that fucking cares.
Fozeman eighty Graham cares. Saying that MSU's ad needs to

(01:14:58):
talk to its candidates and do its due diligence before
hiring his next football coach is like magic. Johnson's take
that whoever wins Game five takes control of a seven
game series. You're welcome. Yeah, it's not even close. Magic
tweet is just unbelievable. It's we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
And magic tweet came off the backs of his tweet
about Michigan State football, so like magic went like a
one to eighty the other way and then went right
in there like very very much the the most typical
of magic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Fozeman eighty history suggests MSU's administration will fumble with the
next head coach at Hires, Muddy Waters was ten and
twenty three. Perlis barely above five hundred and cratered at
the end of his career. Saban started winning in year five,
and then Peter Penny pinched McPherson. Apparently Penny pinched and

(01:15:48):
let him get away. Bobby Williams, John L. Meltucker and
now Jonathan Smith. The only hire that made MSU football
what it really wants to be in the last forty
five years has been D'Antonio. Why should MSU fans have
faith that it will it will with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
What the fuck it'll work? Missing worry? Sorry I missed that.
Sorry the uh they shouldn't. I mean if you want faith,
I mean I think you can think Jay Batt might
you know, be good at this based on who we
hired at Georgia Tech and Brent Key, you can think that,
you know, the Michigan state track record like Saban would

(01:16:23):
have worked if he had stayed right. And and obviously
D'Antonio was a great higher recently. So if you just
go back, you know, thirty years, they're they're closer to
batting five hundred in certain ways, I don't know I
wouldn't have a lot of faith in it, but I
would just say, what else is there to have? I mean, right,
just to be pessimistic. You have to be optimistic because

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there's no point in doing any of this.

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Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Twittal questions Chris up next to This thought came to
me when little Woji came in for Fears with eight
thirty left in MSU UP fourteen. I get Izzo spends
the early season playing with lineups to see what works,
but you feel he purposefully makes bad lineup choice is
to prevent them from running away with games and ensure
they can't get fat and sassy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I think he tries to make statements at times or
see how guys work. I think he's still playing with
things that was a little interesting and uh yeah, I
mean I think they're trying to see how that fits.
But I think he's he was you know, I think
he was unhappy a little bit with some of the
guys behind Fears, and you know, he was trying to
see how things would go. But yeah, I know he

(01:21:26):
does try to make statements at times. I would be
very surprised if Ojia plays against Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Back to the white elephant in the room, they don't
want to deal with the white elephant in the room.
MSU Optimist next sleepers in the final four is not
on the schedule. Both mentioned a Trillie Donovan post in
reference to the Jervis and Taylor recruitments in which he
said Izzo has unlimited nil money, liking it to an ATM.
What do you know about this? Is magic funding the

(01:21:52):
East Lancing promise.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Better not be the U. I do not think it's
liking it to an ATM. I think Matt has or
sorry is has donors who are willing to help him,
some very specific people who are willing to help him.
And also as much as he wants to ask for
and anybody doesn't like asking for money. Jason, asking for

(01:22:16):
money sucks, right, asking for I mean, we we've learned,
let me get a hundred bucks. Well actually you like, yeah,
you're pretty good at it. But most people asking for
money sucks. I know a million hates like having dinner
with Creig Williams and and like having asked for more.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
You know, I mean that stuff just it's got it. Yeah,
But he's a legend though again weird.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
I think there are people in the high donor bases
that want Izzo to succeed at a high level. I
think the latest recruiting gets and the fact you know
that they're in on Ethan Taylor, the fact that they
got Jervis shows you that they are playing at a level.
They're competing at a level for these guys. And some

(01:22:59):
of these guys are not making financially what they would
make in the transfer portal a couple of years from now.
But you know, you're probably it's probably getting up there
at seven figures to get some of these kids. I mean,
they're in the ballpark.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
And I think that's also is it hard to ask
people for money that tell you that they want to
give you money. I mean, it's not like he has
to have dinner with them and then throw it in
midway through like I used to have to to, you know,
to pay for a bill back when I was like nineteen,
and have dinner with my mom or somebody, Oh, by
the way, can I get a hundred bucks for this?
And that I mean, Izzo's basically has guys telling them
whatever you need, coach, right, those people that are giving

(01:23:36):
money like being around Izzo, So it wouldn't be this
treacherous thing that you're making it out to be. Yeah,
it's a little different than that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I mean, yeah, it sucks a lot of people asking
Greg Williams and Don Williams for money.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
But people love Izzo's what I'm saying. How if they
love you, It's like, okay, yep, you know, if I
had one hundred million dollars, I'd be like, Tom, what
do we need here? Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah, you don't have to ask anything. Don't make this weird.
I'll say it, and there's clear check. There has been
an up to now. What's interesting to me in all
of this is the REV share has changed college basketball
because the blank check and I OL stuff. I believe
that day is sort of over in college Who's football
is what rules the day in a lot of ways.
And I don't believe there's as much money floating around

(01:24:15):
the especially the high school recruiting world, as there once was.
I don't think there was, and I think that is
sort of course corrected and market corrected and football trump's
all and all that stuff. But I still believe some
of this is expensive, and they're they're clearly playing at
a level that gets them in the conversation, that allows
other things that you do well to work.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
For you, Thomas, at the risk of overreacting, is Robin Freelik,
the most ruthless in game coach and as you has
ever seen, not at all, Thomas. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
That wasn't overreacting at all. She's she's tough. I you know,
would I would like to play for. But I also
be like, she is not scared to hurt your feelings
and she's not scared to change lineups. I find her
a really good basketball mind. I yeah, two and one
odds to replace thomasough right, it's the men's coach some point, not.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Thomas. What old men's hoop hoops improve on the quickest
offense or defense? Which is more important to get right fast? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
For them is defense, because they're not going to ever
be good enough offensively. I don't believe not to be
great defensively. So they've they've got to get they've got
to make that their identity defense and rebounding, and then
they've got to improve offensively and throughout the course of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Matt's the Thanksgiving or Christmas? Which is your favorite holiday?
What's your Oh it's Christmas? Easy? Yeah, Every football Sunday
is pretty much Thanksgiving. Away with my wife. I mean
we put out a four course meal for football Sundays.
We treat our weekends. That's incredible. Yeah, and you were
complaining about Teresa. I wasn't complaining about Teres. I said

(01:25:51):
we had got into a marital discussion before the show,
and I was confiding into you know, confiding their audience,
well with everybody. You know, everything got thrown off with
the open not playing, and I was just like it
was a I was flustered coming into the show. I
was like, God, I hate it because I was so
mad at myself. I just wanted to sh why didn't
you shut up? You go to the weekend shutting up?

(01:26:14):
You know, there's just no point, like you can get
your point across. But you know, good advice in life,
going to the weekend shutting up. Yeah, it's yeah, listen
to your advice, dude. That's what I need to tell
my you know, gambling and the other stuff. Just shut up.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I think I think I'm more of a Christmas guy.
I used to be much more of Christmas guys as
a kid. Obviously in your gifts and all that stuff.
You see the pictures of Jason with his bike when
He's like, you know what, eight nine six, Yeah, that's
six years old, Like that's that's that's that's the good stuff.
I think I'm still more of a Christmas guy. I
do like Thanksgiving a lot. I tend to have to
work on it a lot these days, which I still

(01:26:47):
still find ways to enjoy that because it's usually a
fun basketball game. But I don't really get the you know,
sometimes you don't get the dinner out or the family
stuff where I was. Occasionally I'll miss the Lions game because, uh,
you know, Michigan like this this year though it is perfect,
thank you for your service. By the way, you're welcome,
Michigan State. You're making it so Michigan State plays North
Carolina after the Lions. The only time it sucks is

(01:27:09):
when the game's like I guess it's never before. So yeah,
it's I like both but Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
But I think also my family, a lot of them
just know there was no good cooks for Thanksgiving, so
I just every Thanksgiving meal I had was ass.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
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I do not I find like I you know, I
like h shows that I have to do with the
test way for you if I like my cheese, I
wanted just to be a straight romantic comedy on on
on Hallmark, and exactly I respect that though, yeah, yeah,
because if you watched all because I saw some commercials
for some of the programming on Hallmark, and if you

(01:28:11):
watched all of it, it's tough couch, Scotty Green. So,
based on Debo Sweeney's logic, God hates Clemson football now
and why does God hate MSU football? Well, God's always God. Yeah,
God's always hated im SU football. You should know that,
I mean, if you according to Chad lads. Yeah, really

(01:28:32):
love him and MSU athletics spy a surprise, Christianity has
taken off an He's lancing because God has always been
against MSU. As long as everybody understands that, I think
it works. No, yeah, no, look, Sweeney is an interesting
at Sweeney Debo. Debo is a interesting character. It'd be
interesting to see what happened with him. Does he stay

(01:28:52):
at Clemson? Does he have another act somewhere else? He's
still a pretty young.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Guy, couch on fire? How long until Jackson Joe becomes
the next school ball since he's had his Tommy John now?
And also, have either of you been seen a Tiger
spring game in Lakeland? Have you ever been to Likeland?
I've not been to Lakeland. I've been a Tampa for
spring training the Yankees thing. But I'd like to go
to Lakeland sometimes. I've never done it. Kind of a
bucket list thing to do. I nearly did it one March. Yeah,

(01:29:17):
that'd be awesome. It sucks here in March. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
And the thing that always I nearly did win to
one late February the first year I was working at
the LSJ, and something came up because there was a
period of like MSU football or sorry basketball had a
like a five or six day window where they weren't playing.
But that's always the challenge, right, It's like March Madness
is kind of during spring training. And the only time
I've ever been to spring training was twenty twelve. Michigan

(01:29:41):
State loses to Louisville in the Sweet sixteen in Phoenix,
and it was really expensive to change the flight to
come back, and so Diamond leung when I was working
in them live, we stayed out there. And what's cool
about this spring training in Phoenix, which is better than
Florida in the sense is all of the games are
around the same basic half hour area an hour, so
you can go to a bunch of different games. Are

(01:30:03):
really easy to do. To Jackson job, I mean he's
gonna be out most of this year too, right, I
mean just it's gonna be a while.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Yeah, beasy. Why does it feel like the National Baseball
media is trying to push a schoobl trade. I don't
think he'll resign, but we should try and make a
run in his last year. Oh, it's because the World
Series is over and they need content and they're putting
out everybody all of their free agent lists are coming out,
and what's going to grab attention is talking about Schooble

(01:30:30):
going to the Mets. I saw that shit yesterday. It's like,
what purst of reporting? It? Has no idea. They were
just saying it out loud, like I think he's going
to go to the Mets. So then it becomes a
headline and people see it and then called ninety seven
to one and then regurg you know, that's how it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
No cycle, The cycle goes on. Yeah, and the Akaputo
talks into a forest. I do think that there are
certain people, like the passings or ones or people here
certain things. I do believe there's sometimes smoke. I don't
know how well sourced people are on the taig. I
don't know how much you know. Scott Harris does not
seem to be somebody who has a lot of lead

(01:31:05):
talking to Yeah, I don't think he's talking to anybody,
So I don't know. I mean again, I think there's
some logic to trading him this offseason. If you can
get the right package for him, and if there's a
market brewing for him with a lot of teams wanting him,
that's great because then it makes sense to trade him.
It makes sense to trade Schooble if like what you're
getting back for him seems like worth more than one
year of him. Are you going to add a right

(01:31:25):
handed bat though as well?

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Well, you've got to. If you're gonna bring Schooble back
and you want to make that push for a world series,
you've got to get some sort of bats.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Yeah, and you got to replace him with another picture too. Yeah,
there's a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
I'm okay with keeping Schooble to see if you can
win a world series, but you have to do other
things and just keep Schooble. Yep, pazy. Does Jalen Duran's
current form make you think of the Piston ceiling any differently?
It's fun to watch. I don't know. Kay Cunningham's fourth
quarters those are what makes me think differently. They're fun
to watch. They don't take any shit. I love watching
the Pistons. They are the rest of the NBA I

(01:31:56):
could do without, but I love having the Pistons on
the second TV.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
You know what's kind of about the Pistons, and Kate
Cunningham said something about this the other day, is they
were so bad for a while that, I think they're
sick of that. Like some you know, you wonder about
how much certain NBA teams care about regular season night
in and night out. I think the Pistons hate losing.
They hated that stretch, and I think that these guys
are young enough and still trying to find their way enough.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
But they have badass dudes they do. They have Isaiah
Stewart and then they have Jalen Durham. Like no one's
gonna f with those two dudes, and they can protect
Kate and let him do whatever he does in the
fourth quarter. I love I love that. It's like it
reminds me of the bad Boys Oh four, kind of
tough Piston teams that I loved watchings.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Yeah, I've changed my mind on Durham. Emember, we had
James Edwards on and he thought, maybe you don't extend
Durham because those guys are easy to replace. I don't
think it's easy to replace. And I think they have
Isaiah Stewart, I think is on a really manageable contract,
which is smart in this you know, apron second apron ear.
I'm yeah, the Pistons. I'm not saying they must watch
TV for me now. But if I see they're on,
like I see on Sunday night, like this Philly team

(01:32:56):
with the you know, there's a lot of fun to
watch right now, surprisingly Philly versus the the Pistons seven o'clock.
You got the Lions game feeding right under the Pistons
game on Sunday. That's a hell of a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
Pas Tom Tum to replace Jonathan Smith.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
If you want MSU connections, and you don't want Pat Nardoozy,
tom Tum's as good as any.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Right, So those postgame pressers Steve while driving past the
exit to Shartucky Libby Meyer, and I wondered if cousin
Nick is Nick Nick. Now, I was on my mom's side,
so he had a different last name, thankfully for him.
And I'm not gonna give it out because I don't
dox people like Couch does. Jay Riemenschneider, even though you
can talk to my cousin Graham, you always dissed thirty

(01:33:39):
year old hipsters for what you say is fake soccer fandom.
So what makes you the dictator of who people can
root for? When did you become a fan of soccer
and how did you choose your favorite team, mister integrity.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
I don't tell people who they can root for. I
do make fun of thirty year old hipsters who have
fake soccer fandom, but those are two separate things. You
be able to root for whatever you want, the promise
you're not actually rooting for, but it's not in your
shame them. Well take a team and then go, hey, Graham,
I like this team and then you go, you can't
like that team. It's not in your heart. You don't
really love them. Because what makes fandom is it when

(01:34:13):
you can't choose it, It chooses you. When when Jason
is dead inside because what happens to the Lions, that's
what makes him a fan, right, You can't help that.
You you don't want that feeling. That feeling is just
you're you're stuck with it. That's that's fandom. Fantom is
not like, oh this looks fun, I'll do this. Let
mean you know that Marge Simpson, that's thirty year old hipster.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
I don't know what it is. That's a hipster voice.
It sounded like march ye Margie hipster. Marge hipster sounded
like Bill Beakman.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Yeah that sounds Jason. Do you think that Bill Beakman.
But if you're running a five K with five stops
at pubs, and you have a giant beard, and you
wear black socks and with running shoes, and then you're
a white guy and you're thirty and you like soccer,
then you do fit a certain persona. I'm just saying.
And now that that said, damn, My favorite team is
Torquy United six Division, National League nor South, not even

(01:35:01):
in the National League anymore, Tube divisions below the the
the EFL at this point. And that was because my
dad's club. He grew up in Torquy, and I support
them every year with a check financially. But even with that,
I like them. I follow them. I get frustrated when
things don't go well, but I don't ever feel dead
inside because you can't fake that. You cannot fake fandom.

(01:35:22):
And you know, it was interesting last watching the Broncos
game last night was an awful game against the Raiders,
but they were wearing their old school uniforms, their nine
early nineties, mid nineties and before uniforms right the Orange
Elizabeth she got the story, the John Elway story. But
what I realize now is when people change uniforms, how dumb.
It is because I stopped being a Broncos fan after

(01:35:43):
Elway retired, they'd already slightly changed uniforms. I do wonder
if they had never changed uniforms, if I would still
be a Broncos fan, because even when watching as shitty
as is the Broncos quarterback is now and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Is that game was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
When I watch those uniforms, my heart flutters because that
was my childhood team for a minute, like, oh my god,
that's and so like when Michigan State, you know, does
neon or does something for the kids, that's stupid because
ultimately kids don't know what they want. You got to
make them like something over time. If they like MSU
football in the uniforms they have, they'll like them forever.
If you wear the the what do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
They wear the.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Ship brown helmets when they beat Ohio State in twenty fifteen,
Like that's your voice, that's that's the memory from that game.
Now you got ship brown helmets when it real that's
a dumb decision. Where you got classic uniforms, wear them,
own them. If you're the Broncos, you should have never changed.
I don't know how many people like me were fans
of lway when he left. That was it, because we
root for laundry, don't fuck with the laundry. I'm getting

(01:36:40):
off on a tangent here, but fandom cannot be something
you choose. It chooses you real fandom, and if you
can get there by choosing it, then you you're doing
some mental gymnastics that I don't know how to do.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
That. It's incredible. He's got a stupid looking face. Jay riemanscheider.
Will will Teaman owns Spartan Sports Network. So was he
the final word on Strayhorn being let go? No, he
was not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
I can't get into everything there, but he was not.
Will Teemans call it was done between athletic directors, so
you can read between the Lions there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Dave Lincoln. Can Muskox create a shirt with this logo
on it reading fcaw F with a rooster on it
for MSU and Lions fans to wear while watching games
and cussing at the refs. I'm pretty sure Jason would
wear one while being very comfortable in his muskots. We
can ask, you know. I don't think they want to
put any writing on there. No, no, they like it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
It starts looking like affliction shirts against Yeah, yeah, people
don't want that. They got a good thing going with
the patterns you have. Yeah yeah, I'd wear one.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
Though, Mojo Jojo Jason. I'm thinking of going to the
Lions game first week of January in Chicago when the
Lions roll in before they tear down Soldier Field worth
it or Ossie Jason Na mate, ah No, we went
last year and it's cold, and my aforementioned wife who
saved my life there then too, because I was I

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didn't pack properly, so she ended up swinging through some
like uh, I don't know what Burlington factory and got
warm clothes for me because it definitely is very, very
cold when you're outdoors in those kinds of knew you
didn't pack properly. She was like, well, I didn't think
I was going to be as cold as I was,
And I ended up having like another layer underneath my jeans.

(01:38:24):
Like it just was a smarter way to go about it.
I thought of, I had my coat, I have my
warm socks on, but like, this is a different level
of cold that you're standing out and in more like
it's about five hours of standing in that cold, so
it just gets through so it pierces you. Yeah, but yeah,
I would definitely recommend it. Just stress dressed, great stadium.
It's a great place to watch a game, even though

(01:38:44):
the Bears suck.

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Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
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earned it. Marriott Graham living it up this weekend for
a staycation. Hmm. So jealous of that. I love hotels,
especially if they're treating you right like a platinum member. Ah,
that's gotta be amazing platinum status. I hope you're somewhere

(01:39:34):
where you can get legal weed. That'd be a great weekend. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
No, I'm a big fan of platinum status at Marriott.
It's it's one of the what room service food do
you get? But I'm not a not a huge room
service guy. I like going down a hotel bar. That's right,
you expense it hotel bars. Well, room service is often
overly expensive, but often I have not had great room
service food. It's the best room service we've I ever had.
And this does stand out. Was a French onion soup

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and I forget where I but it was just cook
the perfection.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
It was so good, just sitting there in the quiet rooms,
pants off robot n fronin and suit, watching some hoops
neurotic pants. I see that that State Farm is sponsoring
a contest to win dinner with Jonathan Smith. Any suggested
topics of conversation, favorite kinds of vanilla ice cream those
two years he led a slightly above five hundred team
at Oregon State, or possibly his favorite night Court reruns.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
All right, So if you're if you're talking to Jonathan Smith,
you're you've got dinner with Jonathan Smith. Just you, you
and you and you and Jay Smith. Yeah, what are you?

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
What's the conversation? Where are you steering?

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Is he drinking? Let's say he's drinking. I'm gonna ask
him what the NIO was like? What was the real
like behind the scenes? Yeah, and does he know anything
about Max Bulla White didn't play in the Rose Bowl? Excellent,
mister doronby pants. What does the Jason Nick flavor donut
taste like delicious on the outside and hollow in the middle. Yeah,

(01:40:57):
that's that tracks, I guess original Jason? Why why do
you most times? Why do you most times? You take offense?
This is how it says and make a snarky remark
when a listener writes a take of the Lions that
that's kind of negative if you believe NFL is rigged.
Why watch and care? Yeah, Jason? Why watching care? Because

(01:41:18):
I'm stupid, because I like doing things and I'm stupid,
and I'll stay loyal to my favorite team. I don't know.
What were the takes? I mean, I'm the Lions. Yeah,
then I get snarky. I don't know, because I love
my team and I'm just I'm irrational. That would also
be Tony Dombrowski for my team.

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It just wouldn't make any sense. Stupid, hollow, but delicious
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People will like having you there, even if they don't
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Speaker 1 (01:42:07):
I used to hear a lot of dissing Caleb Williams
for his painted nails on this show. Has there been
any for Cohen Carr because I saw a pick of
him with painted nails. I don't know. Were people dissing
Caleb Williams for the of course because he was where
he'd had a pink phone case. It's just busting balls.
I mean it's like, yeah, people on Twitter that post
the picture, Okay, I don't think anybody has done it

(01:42:29):
to his face or Cohen Carr. I'm not gonna tell
co I mean, I don't know. These kids nowadays do
whatever you want. Dennis Rodman used to do that weird
shit all the time. I was a big Rodman guy,
right right, like you know. I mean, look at Prince.
Prince was wearing dresses and shit. No one talked to
shit to Prince. I mean, yeah, if you're gonna talk
smack about the player, you're gonna use that he paints
his nails. I mean, we're talking about Ralphie. I wonder

(01:42:50):
how good a recruiter is oh would be if he
hadn't lost it sarcasm. It seems that these assistants are
very good recruiters as well. Also repeat after me unlessio
me low Voiyevich, Well done, sir, look at you well
he phonetically spelled it. No I know, but still you
did it. Well. Well, I'm gonna write that out every
time now for you. That would be nice. I'll say

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it real, Slowoyevich. It's got you. What is the buy
out for Smith coordinators and coaches? All in are all
coaches contracts similar similar to Smith, where they are mostly
guaranteed money that you have to pay them out. Rossi
and lin Gren originally signed a three year deal, Rossi
one point seven and ling Grin one point three due

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next season.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Yeah, if if you signed it, if it's guaranteed money,
I mean, if you're signed through next year, you'd owe
that money. And that's it's it's it's expensive and and
that's changed over time that you know, one point assistance
were all on year to year deals and it was
two year deals. Now you get some three year deals
to get guys in, and that that's really that's really changed.
But for the most part, the real cost is smith

(01:43:55):
and over the long haul, and that's what you have
to decide if you can if you can handle. But again,
if if you were to wait a year, you know,
people were on three year deals, but you'd also, I
think start to see some assistants jump ship if they
thought this was a dead man walking situation.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Scott you, does MSU basketball get a visitor's ticket allotment
for away games like football? Does I'm trying to get
three tickets to MSU at Purdue. MSU has has MSU
had the cheapest get in price be like three hundred
dollars almost every home Purdue game this season. You know,
it's a good question. I don't know that they do.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
I mean they do for like families and you know,
probably big donors because you see them make the trip.
So there are certain I don't know that it's even
like a season ticket ability to buy away tickets. I
could be wrong here. It's not something I've dealt with them.
Not a question I've ever been asked, but I you know,
just based on what you see on the road and
how many MSU fans are there, there have to be

(01:44:52):
ways that sometimes they go through MSU to get them
because you look at the section they're in. But I'm
not sure who those are available to. But it's a
good question. I would just call over the ticket off
as an ask and see what the what their suggestion is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
It's got you. Almost every beat writer, columnist, or basketball
expert thinks MSU is for sure going to lose to
Arkansas in some cases thinks that they will get run
out of the jem. Why does Vegas have MSU as
a minus one and a half point favorite. Also, the
line hasn't moved. What's going on? Well, it's not posted yet,
so it's not gonna move because there's no bets. It's

(01:45:24):
not an actual line yet. It's not a real line.
Now maybe maybe the line does start there, but it'll
probably be around there. That seems reasonable. Yeah, I just
think that if you look at what Arkansas looks like
they are and what they did in their exhibitions. Yeah,
I mean I'm picking Arkansas. I think I picked them
by you know, six points or I can't even remember
what the total was, but it was. Yeah, I think

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they're a little bit ahead of Michigan State right now.
The draft Kings has it posted it minus one and
a half? Is that what it is that is posted
money line minus one twenty five for Michigan State?

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Yeah, I mean again, I yeah, I mean Breslin is
carried MSU to to wins, tougher wins in this and
bresilent can mean a lot, and it'll be a new
environment for a couple freshmen and and tough on Arkansas
in that sense. So you know, who knows, Richard Kin.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
Why do MSU teams have to rent out Breslan. I
understand a concert tour or a circus or something, but
MSU teams do other MSU stadiums charge rent to all
MSU teams and is this the standard practice everywhere?

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, I mean it's a Michigan State facility and MSU
athletics is separate to a degree, And it's weird. Do
you think all the money goes at the same place.
But it's that was the point of the new arena
that's no longer going to be built as it was
gonna be an MSU Athletics owned arena, so it wouldn't
cost as much put volleyball in there or anything like that. Yeah,
you're paying MSU for it, and it's just a weird

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way the money goes round, But that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
Richard Kaine. Why do MSU teams have to rent out? Oh?
I read that, Richard Kane. Can you please break down
the Big Ten Women's Soccer Championship match.

Speaker 2 (01:46:59):
I don't know a ton about Washington other than they
won the Big Ten. They did not play Michigan State
in the regular season. And the big story there is
there there their starting goalie a year ago who was
diagnosed with stage four kidney cancer in the spring and
just died yesterday, I think last night, and so they
are playing for her. That's going to be an emotionally

(01:47:20):
charged environment and a really difficult situation. Very young, you know,
young woman dies of cancer. Very young, was on the
team of a year ago. So that's a really sad
story and that that's part of what they're up against.
But I think, you know, I mean, Michigan State's got
a good shot there. They're seventh in the RPI. I
think they win. They're almost certainly going to host through
the Sweet sixteen. I win the NCAA tournament comes around.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Scott, you why is the women soccer Big Ten tournament
in Saint Louis? There are no Big ten teams in Missouri. Yes,
the same question applies to any tournament in Vegas. Yeah,
it's it's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
I don't know exactly, but it's a really nice field
soccer stadium where the Lows MLS team plays. It's the
weather's probably a little bit better. It's Midwest centric where
people can get there. You know, I don't know exactly,
but you don't want to play, you know, you're trying
to plan something in November in Michigan to be a
little cold. I think you're just looking warmal weather good,

(01:48:17):
you know, place people can get to you know, the
baseball ones in Omaha, and that's a great stadium, great venue.
But other than Nebraska, isn't really near anything. So I
think it's relatively close to enough things and enough people
in the Big Ten. It's an easy airport to get
in and out of, and it's a it's a beautiful facility.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Dino Spimoni. Next, Michigan football is the youngest team in
a top two conference, started eleven freshmen, versus Purdue, coach
is undefeated, versus rivals, beat MSU, Ohio, State, Bama last year.
Everything on the table this year, top ten class, next
year in Big Nil. Curious why MSU thinks this is
a bad spot. They would love this position. Confusing, Oh,

(01:48:57):
absolutely they would does that mish you think it's a
bad so? I don't who MSU is, but I mean
MSU fans who don't like Michigan want to see the
worst for them, can can paint it in that that.
I do think there's concern on the Michigan side whether
Seoan Moore is the guy to get the most out
of this program and whether he'll waste this team and

(01:49:18):
this group. And he's recruited well, but you know, will
he you know, will he maximize it? I think that's
legitimate concerned. I think Michigan fans share that. Yeah, one
hundred percent. Rather be where Michigan is, the Michigan state
if you're a football fan. Shep question for the group
over a year's worth of shows, what's the over under
on things that Graham says he or one of his
sixty nine journalists bros. Should look into with full awareness

(01:49:41):
that he or anyone else will will ever look into it.
It seems to me like it happens at least once
per week, if not once per episode. Recent examples is
oh football building funding, Minnesota game refs, everything about the
CMU stallion situation and MSU's high propensity for Liz Frank injury.

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Whatever the number is, take the over though, Yeah, it's
as the number sixty nine, because take the over.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
First of all, the CMU stallion situation. You guys on
the show drove that, and I was, you know, I mean,
there were a few fan journalists were also doing it,
and but I was among the early people looking into that,
and one of the first.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
Stories on that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Journalists well you know what I mean, people care because
and to be fair, I mean I didn't realize. Well,
first of all, I thought somebody else was going to
look into it, but I also did not It wasn't
as big a deal to me as it was to
to fans, right, and so it took me a minute
to realize that you guys kept asking about it, and

(01:50:42):
eventually it's like son of a And I do think
some of this stuff you know is actually getting looked into.
But I do appreciate your concern and and some of
this is criticism is wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Shop you said you and a group of journalists spent
time with Jay Back getting him up to speed on
the MSU fan based culture, expectations and tone, etc. Given
his limp wristed response to CMUs, I'm sorry we got caught.
I'm not sorry we did it. Apology is he completely
toned deaf, A huge whim for both.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Sometimes you just got to be the adult in the room,
you know. And I think there are times where you
can totally be a one with the MSGU fan base
and other times where.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
You don't have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
And this is one place where I actually agree with
I don't feel like I've said for a long time,
I think there are a lot of people who are
both CMU, and there's a lot of connections between the
universities CMU is I believe you know what happened. There
was not some conspiracy within the whole organization there at CMU.
It was a It was covered up by the head
coach and it was created by the quarterbacks coach was

(01:51:47):
a first time play caller, young guy who this wasn't
something that was done like to help Michigan down the road.
It was done because he wanted help on his first
game as a play caller. He had a friend in
Connor Stallion's and he called on him and then they
covered it up or you know, and those people there
are a lot of work now and that guy's career

(01:52:08):
is ruined to this point. The equipment manager has been
fired and I don't know whether that was totally neat.
Like a lot of people like cm he has been
embarrassed by it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Like I get there there's this bloodlust for this stuff.
But I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Disagree with the response as much as some other people.
And and there are some things that like Haller did
where he probably needed to have more teeth and responses
looking back on it, and and there might be things
that Jay batt should do the same. This is not
one of them where I feel as strongly now you
can disagree with. I mean, I get there's a there's
a huge part of the Imagery fan base that's pissed

(01:52:45):
off about this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
You had to squeeze one more bloodlust in there. I
blow group boner next bad feeling hoops. This year will
be a wash development year? Is oh obviously killing it
and recruiting for next year at his age? Why does
he not go for every year instead of all these
peaks and valleys.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Well, I think the Caleb Glenn injury hurt, which might
hurt to some degree like what they're missing right now,
but you know to what degree?

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Was he a real high end guy? ISO doing it
his way?

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I think is not recruiting over kids he believes in,
and sometimes that can bite you in the sense that
if he believed he had it at the two guard
position and wings and it doesn't play out as he
needs it, then you can get bitten. I also don't
believe they had the most money in the world of anybody,
But I don't think he's trying this to be a
wash development year. I don't think that's the intent of

(01:53:37):
this year. They may get caught in a year where
they're missing something in the lineup that prevents them from
reaching a ceiling that it's as satisfying as a year ago.
But I don't think that was the intent.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
Fart soup. Now that money has transparently and legally entered
college sports, we have to we have to assume money
will always be involved going forward. How does this whole
situation allowed and become tolerable again? Salary caps EF style
leagues with relegation player and coach contracts.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
I think eventually you will have player contracts and you'll
have some collective bargaining and there will be some transparency
in that sense. I am done hearing coaches talk about
how they wish there was transparency, because coaches could just
tell you how much money they have, and that needs
to be started to be called out. When coaches say,
you know, we would like transparency, well how much do

(01:54:27):
you have like that? That needs to be the follow
up question every time that happens, because they could simply
say it. Now it might not be to their best benefit,
but then they should stop saying that transparency should exists.
You could start the pattern of transparency and we're not
seeing enough.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Of that fart soup. Why is Scott Harris a boner? Seriously,
and for that matter, Brad Holmes, do they not understand
that at all? At that All I want is a title,
and I don't care if it involves mortgaging our future.
If we want a single title, I'd be fine with
another decade of mediocrity goes for Michigan State.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I don't know, what do you I mean? I want
a title too. I'm with fart soup. Yeah, I'm ready
to go. I'm just dying to go all in. I'm
ready to go all in be a championship.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
You know. I hate to say, like, oh and just
give me a decade of crab because after five years
you'll be like god damn. But you know, you look
back at the championship.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Scott Harris, whatever he is, and maybe he'll prove out
to be right on all this stuff and they'll have
like this decade run where they win three World Series
and then they're always good and whatever. I'm ready to
apologize to him. Absolutely, it's okay. But he is a
very frustrating individual. There's no question about that. He is
very frustrating and that is not something. I think that
is just brat Holmes is less frustrating. He's just had
some moments, he's done some things. But Brad Holmes, like

(01:55:44):
you watch his emotion in the draft room and you
watch it, and brat Holmes is not like his traits
turn out frustrating overall, different different guys.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Fart soup. What the f is going on with peacocks?
Why does this bird exist? You go to the zoo, boom,
peacocks coming out of the fucking bushes. They don't do
anything other than make that stupid noise. Insert Jason imitating
a peacock mating column for Rio. What's the point of it?
What do you want me? What's happening? I don't know.

(01:56:12):
Are you playing anything? I don't know? Peter, there you go.
Now we got peacocks walking in the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
I don't know. I don't I don't know where this is. Yeah,
they're a very colorful bird, right, Yeah, I don't. People
like them. They name streaming services after them. Oh yeah,
they do, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Anyway, Ben Grossman, why doesn't Graham submit his article about
the absurd amount of commercials and rules to shorten the
amount of actual football to his parent company that owns
USA Today. There is zero national attention on it, and
that article could be less MSU focused for a national audience.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
I think USA Today may have run that, at least online.
I'm trying. I'm trying to remember who all ran it.
It definitely got picked up a little bit. But it
is like the real USA today, Like the real USA.
I don't know, I illustrated, and all these guys have
a no like the real USA today. Yeah, yeah, the
real essay to the real essay. It is not that
I mean I could work. We could all work for

(01:57:12):
USA today. We want It's not like it's hard to
work for USA today. I'm sorry, sorry to criticalize my
own company. I'm just saying, you can make that move
if you want to. I prefer to be I prefer
to be relevant and local. That's all the But beside
that point, the I do think it's it's a good story.
I do think it's an interesting story. National folks don't
want to don't want to realize that college football sucks

(01:57:35):
is to watch most of the time now. It also
is a story that takes a little time. If you're
gonna do it beyond like to really do it what
I did is I watched two games from the late nineties,
and I watched, you know, a couple of games from now.
And to really do that story, well you would you
would just take a series of broadcasts from you know,

(01:57:56):
the eighties, nineties, two thousand tens now and it would
take a little bit of time, but it should be done.
But it was picked up, it was well read, it
was well a lot of people, A lot of people
saw it. So are you saying you're underpaid? I didn't
say that, Okay, not saying that publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Money bag? Why was a Michigan staffer in the Colgate
parent section heckling our players and recording the his zone
while he tried to provoke them into retaliating? Was the
goal to get a county prosecutor to charge the whole
zone before they have to play? Here? What is this story?

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
I mean, I saw like a guy in a Michigan
shirt on a tweet or something near the zone. But
it is Jay Riemenschneider. Well, yeah, I heard reports too,
sat on the red seedar message it was a guy
named Jay Riemenschneider kept going around announcing that he was
Jay Riemenschneider.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
I don't know what was going on. Maybe what are
you staring at? Punk?

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
That's what he kept saying to kids. He was just
trying to show the lack of diversity in the zone
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
I don't no, no, Well, when you're done with the
his zone, head over to the LSJ. I got a
real shock for you, money bag. Have you heard anything
about MSU being one of the sixteen colleges in the
two K game? I have not. I'm not a gamer,
and yeah, there's only sixteen colleges. Yeah, it doesn't seem
it doesn't in twenty twenty five. Yeah, what is this
like Techa Moobil one doing here? They don't have every team.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
I used to love this stuff up to, like the
late nineties of the Sony PlayStation era, But I've just not.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
I bought an Xbox when the new game came out,
and I've played it twice. Yeah, I played PGA golf
on it here and there, but it's just yeah, it
sits there, Sea Dubs.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Can you explain the role of the new hires in
the athletic department? Well, there are a few the I
don't know exactly. I mean I've read their bios and
what they've said. I haven't talked to me me over there,
but you can look at their backgrounds fundraising. These guys fundraising.
One of the guys, Eric Renky, was a Maryland guy
and he's been brought in for like, you know, budgeting

(01:59:45):
and all that stuff. But all these guys, it's like
long term strategies and fundraising, and that's that's the real key.
Now they may have specific roles and things beyond that,
but innovative, you know, innovation fundraising and strategies and budgets
and that's what they're there for. And you know, that's

(02:00:05):
a big part of the game. Now, You've got to
have competent people around you, and you want your own
people that you trust. And that's a Jay Batt's prerogative
to bring them in. And you know what he thinks
it's going to take to get this going. C.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Dubbs, If you're a power for program, what benefit is
there to scheduling Notre Dame wouldn't be better to force
them to play a mid tier schedule. So their strength
of schedule is low and they missed the college football playoff.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Yeah, but enough people are going to play them and
it's a cool place to go and it's a great
and that's not what you want in college football. I mean,
I love that Michigan State's got a couple of games
against Notre Dame in the next few years scheduled. I
think that's great. I wish that rivalry still existed because
it's a great historic rivalry and people talking about the
Michigan Notre Dame rival The Michigan Notre Dame rivalry is good,
but it's the Michigan and Michigan State has so much
more depth to it. I just it's frustrating that one

(02:00:51):
has gone away.

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
Matty B. MSU is a top revenue school in the country.
Why does this athletic department continually waste the potential by
bad decisions or just being scared to operate like the
top schools.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Well, it's not a top revenue school. It's I mean
a lot of schools are struggling with this stuff and
figuring out how to do it. I don't think MSU
is scared or I mean there's if there was just
a surplus of money MSU, would you'd notice it. And
that's not where things are. They just aren't And then
not in higher education and not in athletics right now,

(02:01:25):
and people are trying to figure out how to budget
differently for you know, for decades they budgeted one way
and it didn't include cutting the players and the athletes
in and now they got to and how do you
budget that way? And it takes a big chunk of
the money away and you got to cut it somewhere.
I mean, where does that come from? And you know,
you can look at like are there schools like LSU

(02:01:47):
that are playing big buyouts and over and over and
over but only have like sixteen sports or whatever it is.
I mean, but again, you can make that decision. What
do you want college athletics to be? Do you want
broad based opportunities? Do you think non revshould exists the
way they do? I think the big ten most schools
are trying to hang on to that still, d.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
MB, have you noticed any changes within the athletic department
since they are making outside hires, you know, qualified people,
not ex cops.

Speaker 2 (02:02:12):
That's kind of a shitty shot at Haller, because first
of all, cops could be smart people.

Speaker 1 (02:02:17):
He was.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
He was in the athletic department for a long time
in a number of different roles. It's not like you
can't go from one thing to another. And he was
when he was a cop. He was part of the
D'Antonio search. I mean, I think that's a that's a
that's a nasty, nasty, nasty snap. I just think that's
There are lots of criticisms that halla that are valid,
but that that's not one of them. It's it's too soon.

(02:02:39):
Most of these guys are just coming in, you know,
they're just being announced, which means they just went through
the background checks. And and I think that's part of
the struggle this year with perhaps having to make a
football coaching change, and why J Batt wasn't planning on
that this year originally, because you know, you want to
get all of your shit together. You're just hitting the
ground running and figuring out what you need and how
you're gonna do it, and and then boom, now you've

(02:03:02):
probably got to also make a football coach and change.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
D MB Couch, how much did Alan Haller pay you
for this? Good pr Are you safe? Blink twice? If
you need help? Yeah, weekly check. But I would hire
Couch though if I was Haller, you know he didn't
really pay you. I mean, he's getting this for free,
but I would pay for that well. I mean, I'm
not gonna lie. I mean, I liked Alan Haller as
a person. I liked that he was a Sexton grad.

(02:03:25):
I liked all that I didn't agree with everything he did.
I thought he did some really good things, like well,
that's not what we're paying for, sir. I liked you
can't go to the negatives stet.

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
I liked that he put an emphasis on some sports
that needed some attention and that just might be my,
you know, anti meathead way of thinking about things. And
you know, I mean, you wouldn't want me as the
ad because I would do everything I could to figure
out could you support athletics and dominating everything else and
just dump football together? God, Fire Couch, fix fix that post.

Speaker 1 (02:03:57):
We don't know that. Don't do it, Fire Couch. M
B will ninety seven one going state wide? Finally kill
off m go huge once and for all. Did you
see this news yesterday? The ninety seven one's going state.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Wide interrestrial radio that's terrestrial, yeahrestrial, yes, but they have
an app yeah, which they've had before.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
By the way, it's not really going state wide. They've
already gone but I'm saying, isn't it like we are
state wide right, you and I right where you can
listen to our podcast state wide yep in Asia too.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
We have a larger audience than any radio show you're lansing, Like,
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
Get what people And then people are like, are you
good guys's going to be coming to bad acts? When
are you guys coming to bad acts? Like? Are we
that behind? It's twenty twenty five? What the fuck are
we serious?

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
I don't even know how you sell advertisers on this
stuff anymore because we.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
Vill any show. Blannie's the only one to listen to
on that show. I'm sorry. I'm sure those other guys
are really nice. I know their lineup they have.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Seriously, I'm not saying they don't have a good people.
I'm just saying the average we first got here when
we were learning the advertising side of the business. One
of the things we learned is the average radio listener
is eleven minutes, like drive time, you got to catch
people in their cars here there. The average podcast is
like four times that the top of the hour, Like,
you better get your ad read than that. I mean,
I just I don't know it.

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
Yeah, yeah, but you can still listen on the app
even when their show is done, like you can go back.
You know. It just don't get why these people are like,
oh my god, thank god the radio. And it's not
that they don't have talented people over there and I don't.
Let's just you know, we can leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
People take lots of shots at huge and but the
guy has lasted what three decades in this business, he's.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
Probably twenty five years. Yeah, he's probably gonna stick around. Yeah,
that's impressive. Hans Jurgen. Should we really get excited about
high school recruits? They can leave in the portal at
any time. What's the point anymore? Well, they're there, whether
they now what can we say they are? Graham like,
what is are they recruits? Again? Well, it commits. It's
this close.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
If it's this close to the season, I think they're
it's legit in basketball, if it's this close as signing day,
they are commits.

Speaker 1 (02:05:56):
It's you know, it's the.

Speaker 2 (02:05:58):
Football stuff where there's still four more more visits they're
gonna take, and it's June and it's they're not you know,
they're they still got to wait and see how the
team does in September. That's shit. It's it's just not
really a commitment, and that sport respects commitments less they're
in basketball, you get some guys who are meddling at
this point, but usually there's a little more respect for
a commitment than there's in football, where they just don't
even care that you you actually you actually said you

(02:06:20):
were going to go somewhere. But to your point, I
do think it's worth paying attention moving forward. Do you
get the best years out of these guys? Do they
start transferring?

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
Like? If they do, then you're right. People shouldn't get
excited about him. Hans Jergen. What kind of offensive offensive
game does Jesse mccolla have? What do you see in practice?

Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
He can definitely stretch a defense. You know, he's reshaped
his body to some degree, which is good. I think
he's got a ways to go defensively still, and I
think that's gonna limit his minutes this year, but I
think he could be okay there. He's got he's got
some bulk to him. He's you know, but he's a
guy to me that will be a good rebounding I
should should be I should say should become a good rebounding.
You know, big man who can stretch, stretch the floor.

Speaker 1 (02:07:05):
Hans Jurgen. What is the chance MSU can get in
our doozy? I say he has shown he can navigate
this new landscape. I just want to have a competitive,
respectable team. Is that too much to ask? Why must
I suffer? Well?

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Our doozy does have a buyout, and you talk about
money and the m s U doesn't have. I mean
that's one of the things you have to consider. You
know who doesn't have a buyout? Pat Fazgerald or or
you know, or a coordinator of Brian Hartline. You know,
those guys who are not head coaches who are coaching
right now, don't have biotes.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
It's hold on. It gives them off off. Yeah, the
bride and hollow Scott guy. You know it looks so
good to absolutely, I mean fucking everybody masturbates. Yeah. I

(02:07:57):
don't know exactly. I don't think it's the full thing thing.
So maybe MSU as the money. Maybe it's like yeah,
but and a half.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
I want to say it's at least it's more than
ten million, and it's probably more than that that. I
didn't know this number off the top of my head.
I just can't remember it. I'm gonna get wrong. Make
pit pay half, like what like, just make them like
Mexico build the wall, Yeah yeah, make them Yeah, give
me the money.

Speaker 1 (02:08:20):
Hans Jerggen, if you died and learned a lot was
the true God, would you beg for mercy to get
into heaven? Or stand on principal?

Speaker 2 (02:08:26):
Well, if you knew it, if you died and you
found out who was the true god, why would you ever?

Speaker 1 (02:08:31):
I do both. I think I'd stand on principle, like
I'd let both sides be known. Like I'm willing to
beg for mercy, but I'm also gonna be like yeah,
but like Joel Olstein, like, what's up with that guy?
You know? What's with all these Cadillacs and these church
parking lots? You know what? I didn't want to go.
It's kind of boring. I went to the religion thing
when I was younger. My mom didn't make me go anymore. Like,
I kind of want to believe in certain things. I
don't know. No one's ever come back down to tell

(02:08:52):
me that the ship's real, because then I'll start, you know,
begging for mercy to get in. But I'm gonna stand
on principle to tell you, you know why I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
I would hope, and I would ask that I could
have some sort of journey like Albert Brooks and Defending
your Life where I got to go meet Meryl Streep
and like just eat as much food without gaining weight,
and hopefully they'd be groovy donuts in this little purgatory
area before why you defended your life and all that stuff.
But that would be my real, my real hope, timely reference. Yeah,
thank you, Jake Hoggins.

Speaker 1 (02:09:19):
I heard that guard depth will be an issue for
this MSU basketball team because of Trey Hollman transferring. Thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Well, I'm Trey Holloman transferring definitely hurts. They could use
Trey Hallman in a big way now. They could use
his moxie experience as shooting, they could use they could
use ball handling. They could use Trey Hollman in a
big way right now, no question, Jake.

Speaker 1 (02:09:38):
When Kirk Cousins retires from the NFL, which role with
MSU football, do you see him possibly taking coaching as
a graduate assistant, general manager, radio commentary or BTN TV analysts.
I don't know. He'll do any of that stuff, by
the fu, So we have three hundred million dollars and
you're a big ten TV analyst, Like I, whatever happened

(02:09:58):
to just going away and enjoy you did it? Yeah? Right?
Do you'd have to? Like these guys? I get it's
an easy paycheck on CBS, but are you having fun? Jj? Watt?
Are you guys really having that much fun?

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
And the thing is, if he really wants to get
into like TV commentary, he will. He won't have to
take the step of like MSU radio commentary. He'll be
able to somebody would hire him. It would have to
be something he wanted to be here or something or
next to one of his kids or yeah yeah, Jake Hoggins,
Are you guys excited that ninety seven to one ninety
seven won?

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
The ticket is finally going to be available and listenable
all over Michigan including lancing it already? Is? I love you? Jake?
But seriously, how are you? How are you listening to
the vileni before? Were you only like listening to clips
because you couldn't hear? I mean they have an app right,
yeah right, they have the app right, I use it.
I think I just feel like sorry, and I'm lashing

(02:10:49):
out because I just feel like these things that I
know how to do, I feel like everybody should know
how to do it. So that's where I'm coming from.
I'm not trying to be mean to anybody, but I'm
just saying like, if I can find ninety seven to
one whenever I want, I feel like anybody can, no
matter your age or whatever. Anyway, Jake, since you're a
Simpsons fan, have you given the podcast Simpsons Declassified with

(02:11:09):
Nancy Cartwright? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
Listen, I have been to the radio station, is it?
I have been told to do this and have not.
But we'll take your recommendation because I've heard it's very
very good.

Speaker 1 (02:11:20):
You did Marge earlier.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Yeah, I did do my March voice. Yeah, Jake, No,
I appreciate the recommendation. Can we get some more marche what?

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
No, that's not it. I need a Homer or something. Yeah,
you're impressing. The character is not even confident. No, that's
not it. Oh shit, all right, jerk guy, Marge, jerk guy.
What gift did you give your spouse that pissed them

(02:11:48):
off the most? Give me something here? Whatever I gave
her this morning? What did you give her this one.
I did not say it just got a lover. It
was a yeah, I'll tell you out there what did
I didn't. I don't get her anything that would piss
her off, though I want to make sure I get
people a gift like I want to make sure I

(02:12:09):
get her something she really loves. I did annoy her
that it took me a while. I was supposed to
get her a towel warmer like two years ago, and
I've forgotten. But it was on her to remind me.
But I I'm not gonna get something that's gonna pit
What am I gonna get? I mean, I could get
a new fifty eight degree wedge from you know, for god,
that would piss her out. But that's for me. Yeah,

(02:12:30):
I do know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
I always apologize with Groovy Donuts and if you get
a gift for your spouse they don't love Groovy Donuts,
is here for you Groovy Donuts dot Com two locations
like Lanting, Groanese Lanting and also Williams since seven am
to one pm Thursday through Sunday. I'm telling you, if
you show up with a box of Groovy Donuts like Jason,
I would recommend next week Teresa's away for the weekend.
But next week if Teres still isn't talking his ass,
which I would not blame her. Oh, we've already talked.

Speaker 1 (02:12:52):
Stop groovy donuts wild be the best way. How about you?

Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
What did you get the blafe that well I gift.
So there are two things that come to mind here,
all right. One is the year that I was going
to propose. The year I did propose, and I had
a wedding ring, and I was going to propose on
Christmas night in twenty fifteen and her and she was
living in Chicago and working there, and I was it
was here, and I was going. I was excited, as like,

(02:13:17):
you don't need it. If you've got a engagement ring
that's fairly expensive, that's you know you're gonna you don't
need another gift. That is the gift that you've won.
You've won Christmas, right, And like two days before that,
her uncle thought she was going to be alone on
Christmas and decided they were going to pack up the
whole family and take her out on Christmas night. And
I was wanted to be a In hindsight, if I

(02:13:38):
knew her uncle as well as I do now, I
would have just called and said, hey, man, like I
got a thing going here. I really need you guys
to say that. I didn't know him well enough to
do that. So now I'm panicking. It's like two days
for Christmas. I can't propose. This led me to proposing,
like thirty days later, right before the ring was would
I had to be taken back and a sweaty I
was like sweaty hot, you know, nervous on the couch

(02:13:58):
watching a movie. And it's a whole disaster. We've told
that story before. But anyway, and so I went out
and bought her a brand new mattress topper, which is
a nice gift, and a vacuum. Now, don't do vacuated vacuum.
It was an It was a good vacuum for her
a little apartment.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
How much I don't know. I'm saying, you give me
a good vacum. I can get excitement at the age
I get excited about seventy five bucks. Maybe I didn't
get that out of here. Yeah, no, it was. It
was a mistake.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
But the only time she's been really mad at me.
And this restaurant's not a sponsor, but Popeyes was new
and Lancing she likes Popeyes, and it was back when
like the line was like six times around the damn
drive through. Now you can go there and it's quick,
but whatever reason, people just want to sit in line.
I went out there. I was like, no, I am
sitting in that line, and I look over at KFC,
like across the corner. I'm like, I bet you I

(02:14:45):
can piece together the same order nobody's in that drive through.

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:14:49):
I've the closest we've come to divorce is me bringing
KFC home when she wanted the new Popeyes, and it
was to this day a district. I should have gone
to Midtown Brewing Company, which, by the way, that's a
story percent of my Midtown Brewing Company in downtown Lansing.

Speaker 1 (02:15:02):
When you have something mentally in your head that you
want to eat and then someone brings something else, it's
not good. By the way, are the people that are
are happy about ninety seven to one coming to their
city the same people that wait in line when a
new Wendy's opens up in their neighborhood and they have
to they go and they wait for an hour. I'm
just asking Robert I, jerk guy, what crime have you
committed that you didn't realize at the time but found

(02:15:23):
out about later.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
You certainly are on that I knew what I was doing.
Has there ever been one you didn't know it was?

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
I mean a jaywalk, I mean jaywalking or something stupid.
I'm not, dude, I'm not like a career criminal or anything.

Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
When I was a kid, we remember when those little
what were they called the little uh draino bombs two leaders.
It was a big thing when we were like twelve
years old. For a minute, it was like you got
tinfoil and draino and a two leader and it exploded. Yeah,
and it became a big problem on Lansing because lots
of even the unibomber. Yeah, that we were doing it
in neighborhood and apparently some kids somewhere got really hurt
with one that exploded, and it became like a a

(02:16:00):
big deal that like this was a felony, and we
did not know we had been, you know, like anything.

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
So once we knew it was, yeah, stealing mail. You
never would guess when you were that young, right, Yeah,
that stuff. Yeah, all right, jerk guy does Iszo now
have donors dead set on getting him a second Natty
I think you already said this.

Speaker 2 (02:16:18):
Yeah, I think they, but ISO scared to ask him
or doesn't like No. I mean, I think there is
momentum he's got, He's got people who want him to
win and the donors.

Speaker 1 (02:16:26):
Look is O.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
ISO is never going to have an issue with the
donors wanting to support him.

Speaker 1 (02:16:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
The problem is for all these guys is to what
level and to what end does it take? And but
it is always people want Is to have a second
national title. They want to be part of his So
they want to be a part of doing that. And
and that's what you need in a football code. You
want to you know, it's you're not going to get
Tommy O overnight, but you want to get somebody that
people want to be a part of.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Uh, jerk guy, how sure are you the Lions win
the Super Bowl this year? Now? I mean it's the NFL.
I'm never sure. Yeah, fifty five percent sure? That's pretty high. Well,
I know, I'm just I have to be high. Yeah,
how much higher should I be? I mean with injuries
and everything, like I said, golf goes down, we're screwed. Yeah,
So you don't want to be too confident. I don't know.

(02:17:14):
I hate the NFL anyway, Oh jerk guy. Last one.

Speaker 2 (02:17:17):
Here is a sandwich. A weapon can be until long
it's left out. If you want to poison somebody, get
some six day old male. Leave it on the counter.
I'm not telling you to. I don't know why I'm
giving this a suggestion for you.

Speaker 1 (02:17:34):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
It can be a watch dateline. Last yes, sorry, apologies,
we'll fix that and post. We appreciate all of you.
Thank you, even those who'd rather be listening to ninety
seven to one, for producing our show and listening.

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Good news.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
It's coming to Lancing, so you can. You can do
so if you're local. We do appreciate you though. It
means the world that you listen, that you care, that
you produce the show. We don't mind the criticism, we
don't mind the fund This is a fun banter and
be even if you're giving a shit.

Speaker 1 (02:18:00):
It's the best.

Speaker 2 (02:18:02):
We appreciate, of course, Midtown Brewing Company in downtown Lands
in great place for a date night this weekend. We
appreciate Groovy Donuts. Go to Groovy Donuts dot com. Placen order.
I'm telling you right now, whoever you share them with
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back Monday with takes after a big weekend of Spartan sports.
The Lions good show, many touching the rough.

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