Ep. 1091: Twitter Question Friday: MSU basketball's changed ceiling; MSU football's future

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Speaker 1 (06:04):
Yeah, that's how I happened. Welcome Home. Yeah. Anyway, I
think we're gonna have a good show today, and I
say that, oh really yeah, did the listeners have an
idea of like what we're going to do? And with
Sam Laporta now that he's out for the year, that's
not great, right, that's bad news. Does anybody have an answer?
And that I know it just broke before the show,
But I would say, not win the super Bowl is

(06:25):
what I would say. Yeah, yeah, it's not good the No.
I just think the.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Listeners did a great job today and the questions that
we're going to get to of hitting a lot of
really good stuff, but and asking things differently, like it's
not there weren't a ton of repeated questions. It was
like similar topic. But when you win into the Garden,
I mean, when Tom Izzo saves your sports life and
wins at the Garden, shoots fucking lights out. Where was
that shooting performance? I could not believe that. Incredible Kurtang

(06:54):
Kirtang is back. I mean, this is unbelievable. We'll see
how real it is.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, moving forward, it's still a nice Hey listen, Madison
Square Guard. Whenever those you know, the Champions class it
comes up, your mentality is always like, oh, here's another loss,
and you don't want to feel that way. But it's
just the way Michigan State plays in those Champions Classics,
and they usually play someone like a Duke or Kentucky
that just comes out on fire. But Michigan State was
the team that was on fire. It was awesome to watch.

(07:20):
I love that team when they play well like that.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
Yeah, most of the most of the years that they've
won that and played well, it's been the precursor of
good things.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
Does understand like when we get angry and bummed out
about the program, it's like we just watch a team
play like that. We want to just see something like
that happen at least, you know, even the other game
or something. Is this.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
I mean, it was a heck of a pro day
for TIM is a heck of a program day because
it's one of those things where all the conversation about
nil and purchasing players and the amount of money you have,
you know, in really a heck of a week because
you sign the recruiting class you do, which did not
come cheap. It wasn't like they outbid everybody, but you
certainly have to be playing in that. You know, you

(07:57):
don't hire, you don't sign that class if you're not
willing to play the game that's being played right now
in terms of in terms of player salaries and revenue
sharing and all that stuff the portal. And then you
go play a team that has and I don't know
if the twenty two million dollar number is correct. I
was talking to Ryan Black, used worked the LSJA at
Covers Kentucky for the paper in Louisville, and he was,

(08:21):
you know, I mean I think you get upwards of
certainly the high teens. The twenty is fair to say,
and that's what it bought you. So you get this
roster where you have very little continuity. You have nobody
on the team who was there two years ago, a
couple guys playing who were there last year. Everybody else
is new, and they looked like they were there for

(08:41):
the paycheck, you know. And then and you start to realize, oh, well,
that going all in that way can look like that.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Now.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
There are some teams that have built it entirely of
the transfer portal and it works. But then you've got
MSU with four dudes who are in their third or
fourth year, who have developed, who are hungry as hell,
with some intriguing, improving pieces around them, and it looks
like that. And that's even a hard thing to do
because you know, we talked about the last time they

(09:10):
beat Kentucky and that team with Madi Sissoko and that
previous iteration of guys, Yeah, Sosoko's great moment, good times.
But that group when they came back a year after that,
I think didn't have that same hunger. You know, there
is a sweet spot for the moment where you've been
in the program long enough and you haven't accomplished anything.
I guess this group's gotten an a lade eight. But

(09:30):
it's your time to sort of lead from the front,
your time to be the guy. And I don't know
that that moment can last all the time, more than
a year, maybe two, but to where you have that hunger,
So that'll be an interesting thing to sort of navigate
going forward. But what was clear in this game is
the benefit to Michigan State, to this particular team of
having culture and leadership and guys who have just care

(09:53):
about getting it done for the team they're on and
for each other. And Kentucky didn't look like that team.
And maybe Kentucky you'll find it. There's a load of
talent on that team. But it was the heck of
a day for MSU. And we're going to get into
it quite a bit here with these groovy donut to
put their questions and such.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Can't wait, let's do it? Should we just dig in?
Let's do it? Okay? Are we doing anything? We're betting
this weekend? Yeah? Sorry, so I suck. I mean, I'm
not betting anything this weekend. I gotta say the college
football slate, I'm not I just I'm not interested. It's
wild that my passion for college football again. I will
watch the playoff. I'm looking forward to the playoff, and

(10:35):
they're talking about expanding the playoff, Graham. If they expand
this thing any more than twelve teams, the regular season
is going to be meaningless, right, That's the problem. I know,
and I just can't. It's already meaningless for me right now.
And I don't know if that's because Michigan State. Like
I'll tune into Michigan State tomorrow at three thirty to
watch that. I don't know how long I'm going to
stay tuned, but you know, I'm gonna try. But you're
not going to Iowa. I'm not going to Iowa. You

(10:57):
know who's not going to Iowa? This guy, he said
last show moment. No, it's all good.

Speaker 6 (11:03):
I am staying in lanting to cover Michigan State men's
basketball Friday night against Detroit, and then also Sunday afternoon,
I'm gonna write a column on the Michigan State UH
women's soccer team playing in the Sweet sixteen, and then
just for a show update for people, I think we

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are gonna do a Sunday evening show we are doing one.
We are Doingnday evening, Sunday evening after the Lions game,
so hopefully they win. Yeah, there'll be a good show
that day.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
So that is just a lot.

Speaker 6 (11:33):
Yeah, we're gonna have a weird schedule for the next
week or so for a couple of reasons. But next
week after that show, we probably won't have a show
all week. I'll be in Florida with the basketball team.
It's Thanksgiving, so a Sunday show and then nothing for
a little while. So we'll make it a bang or
Sunday and then we'll adjust the following week based on
Jonathan Smith news and some other stuff staying for another

(11:53):
year whatever whatever it is, and we'll sort of sort
of figure all that stuff out. Yeah, you know, I
am not I don't have a ton of stuff I
like this weekend, certainly on the football front, the soccer front,
I'm getting a little intrigued, a little intrigued, and I
kind of like Manchester United on Monday, they're like minus

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one forty against Everton.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
I just I like that.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
I don't know, it's getting a little bit of risk
your mom's house on it. No, I'm not miss with it.
Minus Yeah, it's not. It needs to be mom's house
money right there. If you're throwing me a minus one forty, yeah,
there's not.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean it's not a great I mean shit, I
would have come up with something if I knew you're
just gonna come up with something. I mean, I'm just
trying to be honest, and sometimes you do need a
break from gambling. You know, you don't need to gamble
every weekend. With that being said, I will find some
touchdown parlays for Sunday. Sure, I will definitely do that.
I'm not saying I'm giving up gambling. It's just more
of it's a commentary on how bad college football has
gotten for me. I didn't know it was gonna happen

(12:52):
so fast. Yeah, I kind of like Crystal Palace at
Wolves minus one twenty to win. But what I'm saying
is I blame Jonathan Smith for my feelings on college
football currently. I blame him and in Couch. I blame
Couch too well, and clearly with college basketball, I don't
have a read on things yet. I didn't think Michigan
Sate was going to beat Kentucky and they pounded into oblivion,
So like, what do I know, apparently, apparently and nothing.

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It's not a bad night, right, not a bad night?

Speaker 7 (13:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:45):
If we got to be here, you know, fucking all right?
Are we good? Right? Good? Yep? All right? Eric Schultz
up first, could it begin to hurt MSCU that they're
waiting to firesmith? Franklin's already off the table, and I
got to believe more are soon to follow. Do you
think Batt is working behind the scenes right now to
secure the next coach for as soon as he acts
as Smith.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
I would be very surprised if Jay Batt is not
working behind the scenes on whatever is ahead, Like you
don't wait to this point. There have to be conversations.
There have to be It's not only if you know
if and I do think that they will move on
from Smith, But so you have to be figuring out
what that looks like lawyer wise, what that looks like financially,

(14:25):
how you're going to do that donor wise, and then
who might be available and who you want and you
have to have that list and you probably have to
be working on it. Yeah, all that stuff should be happening.
I mean, you just want to be doing your job,
not to be doing you know, you can be not
vocal about doing any of that stuff. You don't have
to talk about that stuff and be doing it. That's
the job is to do that. The job is to

(14:46):
be prepared. And again, do you think Jay Batt talks
to Smith? Yes, well, Johnny does he go into his
office and do they just sit down? I think Smith
probably goes to Jay. Well, it's a good question how
they do in football, but most sports they go over
uh to j Bat's office. But I would guess they meet.
I think they meet like just about every week. I mean,

(15:07):
I would pay it big money to hear that. I mean,
I know, I like Adam Nightinggil meets with them all
the time. Like Adam Nightingale, the things are going good
with him. I don't want to hear that meeting. I'm
just saying there are regular meetings with coaches all the time.
With the Athletic Directory. Yeah, well things are going good.
I'm just talking about this is a different situation with
a dead man walking. No one's really talking about Smith outside,
you know, or inside the program. Really, it's just like, yeah,
to be a weird vibe. Are they continuing it?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
It's kind of like why, I say, why wouldn't you
just fire the guy? That way you have some sort
of you know that there's an interim basis people that
are in there and they know what their role is
with Smith, I just would be so. I mean, I
know you get the thirty mil buy out, but man,
just to be sitting there, dead man walking in your office.
People aren't even looking at you. You're tweeting out the
practice players things, and I mean it's just like.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
You got to keep doing I mean, I think I
think I do not think Jonathan Smith's done a good
job in terms of getting the most out of what
Michigan State football could have been this year. Now, did
he have an unfair shake on all this? Sure, but
he hasn't done enough with what he's had. That said,
where I think he's done a good job and this
is not enough to keep a guy or anything. What
I think he's done a good job is handling this crap,

(16:13):
like handling the what must just be an awful time
and a really frustrating time. You know, there are a
lot of people whose employment relies on you. You've got
a team in a program you were hoping to build,
and he's not been defensive at all. You know, he's
been pretty open about things. He's continued to operate the
way he operates, and you know, I mean he's been
himself and I think to his character that speaks well.

(16:35):
It does not mean he should be the coach next year.
Those are two separate things.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Eric Schultz. I saw something that said MSU's pay roll
for basketball was three and a half bill. I remember
Graham saying it was three million two years ago, so
I would have thought it was significantly more. Now, does
three and a half sound right? Based on what you know, yeah.

Speaker 6 (16:53):
I mean, I don't want to get into specific numbers
of certain players because I don't feel it's well sourced enough.
I've heard very specific numbers, but I would I would
feel comfortable saying this. I think ms US significantly more
than that it's and part of the reason for that
is I think their top four guys are probably around three,

(17:16):
if not above three themselves combined, and so that you
can kind of do the math and what does that
put you out? Five or five and a half around it?
You know who knows exactly? Feel like cam Or it's
pretty cheap right now? Well, no, sign him to a
long term deal. How do we do this again?

Speaker 1 (17:32):
So you know? And again?

Speaker 6 (17:33):
And then they obviously didn't go cheap on the recruiting
class either, So good I would I would say, right exactly, yeah,
isn't it a second, Natty. They're doing what they need
to do. But I would say the three and a
half number is incorrect.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Dominic Graham is historically filled with tea leaves, like when
he's weirdly complimentary of Illinois basketball and later reveals he
has a big ten futures bet on them. Countless moments
like this, But I ask you, Jason, what the hell
is this defend big ten plus shit with him? Big
ten plus is ass I don't know. So if you

(18:09):
just like to be the contrarian, or you like my
wife that just tries to find she knows how I'm
negative and I like to complain, so she tries to
find the other side of it, like every time. So
here's what it is.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
It's it's twofold one. But they do it is the
only way to get a lot of They do provide
a lot of content on MSU that other people don't. Well, yeah,
it is often student run, so I'm not gonna shot
on that. No, should the Big ten have something that's
not student run that's better? Should the Big ten not
have student run stuff for big games, for big hockey
games and other things. Maybe you can make that argument.

(18:42):
But these are students who are doing the best they can.
Some of them do a really good price of it. Yes,
it's the only thing, and it's it's sometimes clunky to like.
I mean, I've subscribed to this sing year over year,
and the logins the whole. I mean, there are things
that are not done great. I also work for a
company where I post ten minute videos with Crystal Laurei
after every game that conk out at you after five minutes.

(19:06):
So like me shitting on Big ten plus is like,
you know, we got I gotta get my own house
cleaned up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Yeah, but you charge well, actually, you guys charge a
lot of money.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
We charged for the video videos. That's expensive. But yeah, no,
the video should be while they come with the subscription.
But like I just yeah, I mean, we don't have
to talk about the students doing it. I totally understand.
It's the eleven ninety nine a month. Like when you're
just trying to you you're put you're adding more uh
more charges a month to it, more money right without
giving us anything.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
That's what annoying.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
Thing to me is if you're gonna have that level
of cost, your quality needs to be better.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And that's that's that's it. Yeah, Dominic, Have you guys
ever considered getting a mushroom sponsor?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
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Speaker 1 (19:50):
I would love that, like the good mushrooms, not like
the philocybe And I mean, you know, don't take any
of those two they market you know, regular mushrooms, just
like big mushroom guy. Yeah, yeah guy, yeah, fun guy, Dominic.
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and ruin it, and I would a refund your money,
So yeah, might as well just nip in the bud.

(20:32):
I mean, we try to.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
We try to have things we can relate to, like donuts,
you know, groovy dornh Yeah, but we you know, we've
all been cheated on in our lives. You've been cheated on. Yes,
I have been cheated on. When when's the last time
you were cheated on? Are you redacted?

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Look at you? Two thousand and seven? I think it
was eight. I don't know. I've had ladies apologize like
after our relationship, like a year after, and I'm like,
I don't know, what do you apologize? Do you know
they were cheating on you the whole time? The one
I did? Okay, yeah, Erica, Erica, I knew she did.
She had this guy in her top five MySpace friends.

(21:12):
What's up with this guy?

Speaker 6 (21:14):
And it wasn't the guy who comes with the MySpace page,
you know that initial guy Tom or whatever.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, it wasn't. I recognized him. Tom was in the
T shirt, white T shirt guy with his head turned.
Now this this guy was full frontal. Wait wait what No, Yeah,
you could see who he was and I was like, ah,
he's like by the way she got married to the guy.

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Well, that's different. I think after the fact, like I
always think when when affairs happened, And I'm not suggesting
people should blow up their marriage and have affairs, I'm
just saying when it happens and you wind up marrying
that person, it feels to me a little less selacious,
like maybe it was meant to be, if that makes Yeah,
it was just brutal, like I knew were not going
to get married or anything.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
But it's just wild. Like we went to uh, we
did karaoke one night and she ended up showing up
with this guy and it was just one of those
but it was like one of those moments that it
transcends your life. You know, you'd like to feel that
kind of pain. It was just wild. You know, everybody
says you should be in love and feel that pain. Well,
there you go. I think it's important to be cheated
on once or twice. I don't think so. I don't
like it. I didn't like it makes me like, I

(22:12):
don't know. My dad was always a philandering guy, so
I've never not that I've had opportunities to like, Yeah,
you have to just preface it with that. It's not
like anybody's beating down my door. That is a story.

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Speaker 1 (23:01):
By the way when Teresa and I started dating, and
it was like that Instagram official thing. I did get
messages from two x'es and then an AX of my cousin.
Isn't that weird when they find out you're in a
relationship and you become like.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
I just I remember when we got engaged, and you know,
that's like a Facebook post and there's supposed to be
a lot of congratulations and all that stuff. And it
was one of our first real fights in a fight.
But Elizabeth was really pissed off because nobody, none of
my people were congratulating us.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
It was just her people.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
Because growing up in the ear I did, my Facebook
security settings were so tight that nobody could actually see
her posts, even though I don't know it was. I mean,
how I forget exactly that worked. It took me a
while to untanged were they so tight? Because you know,
I grew up in an era before Facebook. Went to
college and then like all of a sudden, what were
you posting that you were so worried? No, here's what

(23:54):
happens before Facebook starts. You're all in you no security settings,
like what I care? Well, this is great? Yeah, And
I still remember my friend Ashley from college because back
then we had you know, you had a friend that
was a girl. We had we had co ed dorms
like across the hall, four girls.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
Yeah, no, and Columbia College Chicago like these you know,
big lofts was great. But we didn't have digital cameras, right,
so you were everybody took in things on you know,
disposable cameras and all that stuff, so you didn't have
to worry about that stuff showing up anywhere, just on
a disposable camera somewhere.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (24:28):
Well, in like two thousand and eight or something, Ashley
starts uploading all these pictures she's had digitized from college,
like college parties, and.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Dude, where's Ashley right now?

Speaker 5 (24:38):
Up?

Speaker 6 (24:38):
Actually is the best? And their photos immediate like part
I'm like, oh my no way, And so I'm like
scrambling to make sure none of this stuff can be seen.
And from that point forward, just in different relationships and things.
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Speaker 1 (24:56):
I love when you tell his story. Then you get
parts way through it, and he realized, like, why am
I telling you I try to cram the rest in
ye Come on, Ashley, we need these pictures. Spartan eighteen
seven to seven zero. Was Tuesday's performance this ceiling for
this year's MSU basketball team? Or is there a substantially
more room to grow? No, I mean I think there's

(25:17):
let's get some more room to grow. I want to
see it. I think there's room to grow for a
few reasons. One, you know, obviously the shooting performance is
one thing. But when you get guys like kurtang playing well,
like playing if he plays consistently, if you know Jesse
McCollough shoots to some degree. Now he's not going to
shoot like that every game, but they played really well.

(25:38):
But I just think that if that's some of those
performance show up consistently, that'll raise the ceiling like that.
If you're talking about one performance, is there more in
them than that? Yeah, I think there's more in them
in that. I mean, it's just too early in the year.
All teams should be able to grow. It was, you know,
it was one of their better shooting performances. They're going
to have period, regardless of all season but I think
just the who Kurtang is is a player who some

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of these young guys who I think Jordan Scott for example,
has a lot of room to grow into the season.
He does so many things well and he's not hitting
shots yet, but he's a guy can shoot and we
see it all of a sudden come out of nowhere
for Kurt Tang like that, there's a lot of room
to grow within a season. I think Spartan, where is
MSU basketball today? If in twenty ten Lebron told Izzo
that he was staying in.

Speaker 6 (26:21):
Cleveland, not beating Kentucky in the Champions Classic and not
in the Champions still would have come back, right, They
wouldn't be in the Champions Classic. The Champions Classic started
after that, right in Iso was part of that. In
Hollis Is probably like they, yeah, I don't, well, yeah,
Isa would have been fired from the Caves by what
two thousand and eleven maybe so yeah, and then the

(26:44):
next coach at Michigan State would have been fired by
twenty twelve, So it was back in twenty thirteen. It
wouldn't be the same, but there would definitely be a
period of time where is it was not the coach
of Michigan.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
State Spartan can't believe that you didn't plug musk Ox
when talking about warm weather.

Speaker 6 (26:59):
Goth should have if you only had a Muskox flannel.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Una Yaba Gita, Jared Goff. Do they make gloves? What
they need to make.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
What Muskox needs to make is tight ends, like like
the porta, not like yes, I got you, Yeah, I
mean you can.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You can. You just don't make those in a factory
though they don't grow on trees. No, fuck Brock right
f me Kurt was Newski was MSU's victory over Kentucky
a fluke?

Speaker 6 (27:28):
I don't think so, because a fluke wasn't you know?
Fluke is a game where you win sort of despite
of your identity. They won because of their identity, and
so that doesn't make it a fluke. They won because
of their physicality, because of of who they are, and
now they're going to face a lot better team that
Kentucky was not good that game. That was not a
good Kentucky team, a lot of talent, but Kentucky would

(27:50):
have lost to a lot of teams that night. So
it's not a fluke from that standpoint too. But it
does You might also say Michigan State would beat a
lot of teams and it makes the North Carol Duke
games all the morning Tree.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Kurt, my group is hedging that MSU hockey will make
the Frozen Four. When traveling to Vegas, what casino resort
would you stay at? What's your what's your spot? I'm
not obviously I'm white trash, so I'm not picky like it. Uh,
it just depends on what you're stay, what you're looking
for in your stay. I've stayed at the Gold Nugget,
I've stayed at Uh Caesar's. I've stayed at the Bolagio. So, like,

(28:28):
I don't know what is the fan like the Bolagio
at one point was the Fancy One. Yeah. Still that
was way back with my stepdad. He was in bezzling
money or whatever, so he had a lot of money,
so he he took my mom and then he took
me and we stayed at the Bolagios Wild But yeah,
that was the only reason. But I just say, is
that when you ordered the Hooker, that is the prostitute story. Yes, absolutely,

(28:48):
that is yes, because I couldn't I was twenty years old,
so I couldn't go in I would go and I
would try to walk into the casino, and they knew
right away you weren't old enough.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
It was a Papa Georgio. They knew away. So this
is the absurdity you think about Vegas. You're not old
enough to gamble, but you're old enough to hire a hooker. Like, well,
what I wasn't technically like I was, It was not
legal what I was doing. Oh right, I mean tech.
You have to go to Nevada to where it's like
a brothel scenario, like I was on the strip at
the Bellaggio and their heavy security at the casino doors

(29:20):
at like the elevator doors. So I had to go
get her. That's the story. Like I walked by my
mom and stepdad playing blackjack with a hooker.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, how far did she get all the way up
to your room? She sure did excellent. Absolutely one of
the more embarrassing things in my lifetime. I spent three
hundred and fifty dollars for an HJ and she threw
a tonnel at me and walked out of the room.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
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Speaker 1 (30:07):
But what about you? What I mean, do you recommend
something to Kirks. Kurt's probably looking for an actual recommendation. Kurt,
I'm saying I've stayed Fremont, stayed on the strip. I
can stay. I don't mind staying on Freemont. You have stayed.

Speaker 6 (30:18):
I stayed at Bally's a few times, and I liked
that because back in the day, and I don't know
what kind of shape it's in. It's been a few years,
but it was like it was hooked on to Paris,
so I didn't I don't like gambling at the place
you're staying because you get a bad vibe if you lose.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
But I like Paris.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
And then the last time I was out there with
the MSU men's basketball team stayed at a Marriott property.
It was really nice. I don't remember it offhand. And
I like that too because it doesn't ruin your time
not to be staying in a casino, like a nice
hotel with good brunches and all the things like that.
It's sometimes the better. That's what we did for my
bachelor party. We had one of those kind of time
sharish things.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, couch on fire. So how much does this Kentucky
game change the MSU narrative? And do you think it's sustainable?
Twenty three points from the two guard position?

Speaker 6 (31:03):
It changes, well, it changes the narrative certainly about who
MSU is nationally. That's one hundred percent. I mean you
just look at the coverage they're getting. If you watch
some of the post game, the field of sixty eight,
stuff like who people think, what people think of this
MSU team, who they can be, what they could be
in the postseason. These sort of things are perception changers.
When you win this game, it just is and sometimes

(31:24):
it's not even right. There have been years where it
shouldn't have lasted as long as it did. But when
you win these games, these are marquee games. There's a
lot of national writers backslapping, a lot of tweed jackets.
Everybody looks the same. It's one of the more annoying
setups that you'll cover. So the narrative changes. Do I
think it's sustainable?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
And the reason I mean, I don't think Kirk Tank's
going to average fifteen points a game this year. But
I don't know is Kurk Tank going to be consistent
in shooting or not. That's what I don't know. He
doesn't need to do that because he's somebody who has
big games then disappears at big moments.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
You know.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
I don't know what the rest of the you know,
how the rest of the team's going to morph in
the you know and develop. I do think there's the
top four guys are pretty consistent. You can count on.
You can count on Jeremy Fears and Jackson Cohler and
Cohen Carr and Carson Cooper for who they are and
maybe they get a little better and do a little more,
but you can count on them pretty damn well. And
I think from that standpoint, that's that's sustainable, and that's

(32:28):
a pretty good, you know, baseline to be.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
At couch on fire. It's November twenty first, and the
Pistons and Red Wings are in first place. Which team
has the better chance of staying there all year? Clintonville
Star days? It is time for he decried the Red
Wings got billion op day. We got any fuss.

Speaker 6 (32:55):
Too, mistance. Yeah, right, it's even close because first of all,
the Red Wings. Everybody's bunched up. I don't even know
who's losing in the end. If you look at the
NHL standings, the gap between like the first eight teams
is like a point and a half or something like.
It's you don't have half points, but you get what
I'm saying. It's like nothing, and it's like, well, who's losing?
How are all these teams like ten to five and one?
I don't I don't actually understand, Like nobody's lost a

(33:16):
game all year. There must be a whole other league
they're playing against or something.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
The Pistons, though, says the guy that watches soccer're so confused.
It's fair. It's fair. The Pistons though, what twelve straight
I mean They're just they are. I love them. They
look good.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
I do love They're saving the NBA for me. The
personality the team fits what we like. The Pistons seems
to be. I mean, it's it's all these rumors of
Anthony Davis please note happen.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
G TFO.

Speaker 6 (33:41):
The Lory marketing one would be interesting just because he
fits sort of what they need. But you don't want
to change your personality. And I don't know that you
want to mess with this team right now. Like, but
I saw what Zach Lowe was was saying they would
have to offer. You don't have to market it too much.
You're certainly not doing that before. You know, like Jay
and Ivy had a great finish before he got hurt
last year and the last few games. You want to

(34:02):
see him again. And I understand that if you trade
somebody now and there's some intrigue and if you didn't
believe in him whatever, but like to me, you want
to see how far this can go if you get
to closer to the trade deadline. And it's very clear
that it's a good, gritty team that's just missing some
sort of piece and at some point you're gonna have
to make a move and it's more clear those conversations

(34:25):
can happen. You're not messing with what you have right now.
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Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mister ben Jen, was that Kentucky performance a Final four
ceiling raising game?

Speaker 6 (35:50):
And in terms of like they can make a Final
four like, Yes, in the sense that I now trust
that Michigan State can beat a lot of TEA teams
on a given day, and we've seen them deal with
extreme athleticism. Now they will face if you're talking deep
en NC of a tournament, teams they face will also
have toughness, and so we'll see a little bit as
it goes along. But you're not having to win a

(36:11):
seven game series. I still believe there are things about
this MSU team that are imperfect. I don't know on
a night that they're not shooting great against another team
that's got some toughness to them. It's got some athleticism
and they need somebody a guard to sort of carry
them scoring wise, and like you know, Jase Richardson type.
But I don't know that they have that. I don't

(36:33):
know where that comes from. And I can still see
that being an issue. So there, what makes this season,
what should make the season fun for MSU fans, is
they're four and oh they won two of them. There,
they're only two marquee games. Takes the pressure off some
of the other But now you see how far this
can go. Let's see what they look like against North Carolina.
Let's see what they look like against Duke. There's a
sneaky Iowa game and what I think is a very

(36:55):
good Iowa team with a very good new coach. Between
the North Carolina and Duke games, and that's a home game,
I think Michigan say's lucky it's a home game. So
there are a lot of yeah, I mean, there are
a lot of in a very short order opportunities where
we'll get to judge this team again.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Mister ben Jen does Solari live in mid Michigan or
does he drive back and forth from Detroit on icy
roads in the middle of the night like a weirdo?

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Now he lives in Williamston. I'm not gonna give his
address in docs, but I.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Know because Williamson is such a giant community. He lives
in Williamson near the heights, and there's no way you
could find where he is near the high school. I'll
stop there. Why would why would Benjen think he drives
all over the place or something. I'm missing around just
because he's you know, just because he's Silari and so
it's Lari.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Usually, like Solari's got to catch a flight to Minneapolis,
he usually goes through to Albuquerque, you know, so like
there's a you know, Lari's got some travel corps.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
He's got nine kids. You got to save money where
you can. Clocked in Spartan. If MSU basketball goes four
and oh for our most feared non conference games, is
our floor a three seed in March and from t
bones Dad. MSU's new ceiling has rightfully been discussed, But
how about their floor? Sure, outside shooting may ebb and flow,
but their defense, rebounding, in ability to physically and emotionally

(38:09):
punk opponents will be at minimum give them a chance
every night.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Yeah, I think as long as they stay healthy, their
floor is pretty high and that's part of what's what's
changed here. And you see that just there. You know,
toughness gets you a long way because teams that aren't
tough aren't gonna beat you. And then their their ability
to defend in them. You think about who Jackson Cohler
were and Carson Cooper were, you know, a couple of
years ago. Their ability to rebound and defend in the paint,

(38:37):
create second chance opportunities and protect the I mean, it's
just that stuff is if Cooper could just finish, he
would be a beast, no doubt, no doubt. It's a
very high floor team in the sense that if they're healthy, now,
what they the one thing that when you like a
year ago, other than Jace Richardson on the stretch, and
there were other guys they couldn't afford to lose. I mean,
if they lost Coler that would have really hurt them

(38:58):
a year ago. But now there are guys that they
really can't afford to lose, and you know they Jeremy
Fears Junior is playing at a very high level, but
what they would do without him for a game or
two would would not be great, I don't think. And
so that you know, and that doesn't mean that. I
don't think that divine Ugochuco is not playing well. I

(39:21):
think he's shown some intriguing promise. I just think he's
a guy who gives you minutes and not a game,
so to speak.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Clocked in Spartan. Next, is Jackson Coler the most undervalued
or underappreciated prospect in the Big Ten maybe nationally, And
which underclassman is still the dark horse for this team.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
I don't know if he's under I mean I think
he's pretty well appreciated. I mean he's putting up fifteen
three point three points and eleven point three rebounds. We'll
see if those continue, he'll get appreciated if that, If
that happens, if he keeps hitting outside shots and he
went he hit two threes in that game of Kentucky,
that'll be the thing that really elevates how people view
him and what he does. But you put up those numbers,
people notice numbers. If he keeps putting up points, people

(40:01):
will notice him. Underclassman is still the dark horse for
this team, I mean both the freshmen and mean I
think we've seen cam Ward, you know, have an eighteen
and ten game, and so I don't know how much,
but I think Jordan Scott, like the guy was plus
nineteen when he was in the game against Kentucky, he
had one pointina closet, Like, if that guy ever starts

(40:22):
hitting shots and he is a shooter, like that's why
he was recruited to play at this level and he
does everything else better than they thought. So that guy
starts hitting shots and doing the things they recruited him
for all of a sudden, I think that could be
very interesting for this team.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Aiden's child next. I felt exhilaration at LCA two years
ago against Baylor, the last time we shot the lights
out while dominating a top ten non conference foe. What
should make us optimistic this team will fare better the
rest of the way. Tenth place in the Big ten
seven s.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Well a lot, and Manti Sosoko was not real that
that was part of the issue. Maris Soko had ten games,
remember Gonzaga and Kentucky where it was like, holy smokes,
what's this guy going to be? And then all of
a sudden he came back down to earth and teams
sort of figured him out and he didn't he had
bad hand, Like you got a better big man?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Is that that's the big that starts there. What you
have at the five.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
You have a better point guard than than aj Hoguard.
So I think you start with better center, better point guard,
and that's just a better place to.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Be, Professor MSU hoops looks like they are benefiting from continuity.
If true, how much does this advantage change as the
season goes on? And how long do rosters built from
the transfer urinol take to gel It varies.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
I mean there are teams, you know, you look at Illinois,
really intriguing roster, loads of talent.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
You want to get a futures bet on him. I
don't know that I do this year. You don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
I don't think I do for you. I didn't do
a lot of college basketball. Yeah, I just don't. It's
because of this, you don't. You just don't know what's
what you know what I mean, it's it's a hard
thing to you know. I do as much research as
I can, but even the stuff, Yeah, it's just hard
to know what a team's going to be and so
I but yeah, I just have to crush more tape.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
No, in terms of the conduity does matter. And I
think what Izo is doing now if he can continue
to do it, because you can build through freshmen still,
if you can keep them around, right, you don't have
to build through the portal, and then you're you're adding
really good freshmen to guys who have have sweat equity
and have been part of the program. If you keep

(42:26):
doing that, this works. I think it's the preferred way
to do it, and then you supplement through the portal.
What he hasn't done and will be interesting, is he's
never at this point going out and just gotten that huge,
big time transfer that changes the personality your team and
becomes the guy. And I don't know that he wants
to do that, and it'll be interesting to see if
he ever runs into a team where that sort of

(42:46):
what's really needed. You could argue that it looked like
that was gonna be the case for this team, and
you could argue he was right not to do it
based on the freshman he as coming in. Like if
you we talked about the two guard position and an
ideal world they don't lose Jays Richardson, but they did,
and you know he talks about believing in his guys
like a Kurt Tank and not recruiting over that guy

(43:06):
and Jordan Scott, and then you have you know, guys
like josiahs Jervis coming next year. If you brought in
a guy who wasn't a senior, might have a couple
of years left. I don't know that you land Jervis right,
So you're it's it's a delicate dance in certain ways.
That said, if kerk Tank doesn't continue to play like that,
if Josiah Scott, you know, has some limitations this year,

(43:27):
If if Trey Ford is what he is and that
winds up being something that they just can't quite get,
then it will be you know, then you can argue
it was a mistake. But I think continuity. You see
the benefit. You need continuity in hunger, which usually creates toughness.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Thomas next Iso always sets a high expectation for his teams.
What feature of this year's squad should make us fans
buy in all the way now, even before the conference
season starts, asking, not from being skeptical, but from really
hoping this team is the new is the real deal?

Speaker 6 (43:58):
Yeah, they just have an identity. Early Like last year's team,
it took a while they didn't learn who they were.
They figured out they were good. As the season went along,
this team already knows they're good. They at the level
of you know, we talk about the toughness, but you've
got really good point guard play. You've got great rebounding
and interior defense, right, and so if those things exist

(44:18):
and you understand that's who you are, and you've got
good leadership like that's man, that's a lot of it
in college basketball, and a lot of teams don't have
that stuff. That said, college basketball is more talented than
ever because guys don't leave fringe guys don't leave for
the NBA early anymore because they get paid in college basketball.
Sam Vassini at the Athletic was talking about that on
X this week, the idea that he, you know, he

(44:41):
never has seen this sport this talented.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Now.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
I would say he's too young to remember before guys
left early for the pro because in this used to
be what it was in the eighties and nineties, before
guys automatically left like Chris Webber played two years of
college basketball that would never happen in today's landscape a
second year and Juwan Howard played three. Those guys are
gone after one. So so you still have some of that,
but you just have more of the guys who used

(45:05):
to leave early making a mistake not making that mistake.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
P Z. Are the rims at Breslin just too tight
and leading to poor shooting numbers? Had this thought during
the SJSCU game. Also remembered how last year's MSU team
had poor shooting numbers while defending the three very well.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I would think most rims
are pretty similar at this level. I'm curious to watch
what Michigan State does to follow it up against Detroit
and East Carolina. And now those we did different venues.
Detroit's at home, Detroit's not very good defensively, and so
you know, so let's pad those stats. Yeah, and you
want to start, You want to you know, you don't

(45:44):
want that to be an aberration. You want shooting to
be something you're good at. Right, and you know they
don't need fifteen points out of Kirk tank, but they
need to hit a couple three pointers. They need, you know,
they need, they need to hit shots. And because it
just makes life so much easier.

Speaker 7 (45:59):
P Z.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
What was going through your mind as he did the
Midtown brewing ad read after the Starbucks story So the
Starbucks story for those who missed it, Oh right, I
don't know if I should tell it again completely.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
But I happened to be Lolita, we're at the coffee.
I happened to be sold a hooker story. What do
you got fair enough? I happened to be flirting with
a young woman who turned out to be probably fifteen
at the time I first met her.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
She what's that movie was Zach Braff and Natalie Portman
where he goes back home and uh, like, she's like
fourteen and then he ends, Oh, I don't know if
they could make that movie today. Yeah, you must have
watched that movie.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
You couldn't make this movie, certainly, And it wasn't the
first of all, I thought you had to be older
and fifteen to work at Starbucks. I don't really know
how that happened. They serve booze, they did not. Yeah,
maybe he could be that young. Yeah, it was a
grocery store Starbucks. And anyway, she went away to college
and she was gone when she came back. I asked
her where she'd been, and she said she was a
freshman in college, which I just did the math, and

(46:58):
I was like, oh my god, that's an good It's
not good at all.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I sent you a love letter three years ago. This
is awkward. Yeah, did you read that? As you save it? Can?

Speaker 6 (47:06):
I have Midtown's used to being part of this. We
we just did the Midtown Brewing Company ad after the
Jason took her story, so you know, bring me back
into it.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 6 (47:18):
Another story we're telling because that of our friends at
Midtown Brewing.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
But you know, the moral of the story is is
that you stopped like when you found out the age, right,
and she was of age then, but I still I
stopped going. I mean you hesitated for a while, but
then you'd be like, oh, yeah, I should probably not.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
I think I stopped going to that Starbucks entirely, even
though she was. I was just like, I can't look
her in the eye at this point, Like, it's not
it's not Starbucks on Epstein Island. It's probably a good
one to avoid.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Ken Chew. Didn't that cut above Cooper's eye tell us
everything we need needed to know about MSU's prep for Kentucky?
It does. It does tell you that he has some
bad luck. Man.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
They get after in practice. Yeah, and I'm trying to
remember he gets hit in the face an awful lot
a lot and like you might need a helmet. Yeah,
his nose seems to like a track contact, which is
not a good thing in life. Well, you've been hitting
the face. It hurts like hell. Oh, it's the worst
face dicking balls. I've been hit pretty much everywhere.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I think.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Have you been punched in the face? Oh god, yeah,
really absolutely is an adult. Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah,
I've been punched in the face. I've been into fights
my cousin. My cousin punched me and my cousin Ryan,
not my cousin Nick. I used to hang out with
Nick Nick Nick Nick. Yeah, yeah, a bar fight or something.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I mean, I've been in bar scraps, like in the
early two thousand, mid two thousands, and nothing recently in
the past decade. But yeah, the bouncers that throw tossed
me out of my ass on Michigan Avenue. I mean, yeah,
I've been roughed up. That Tingley feeling, and he knows
when you get hit there is Oh, it's the worst.
It's the absolute worst. When you get hit in the
head and it's the stars hitting. Yeah, not knocked out though,

(48:54):
just punched repeatedly. MZA heard you compare MSU's Kentucky game
this year to the UNC win last year. Is that
a fair comparison given that one ended in ot and
the other was pure domination for about three quarters of
the game, not to mention that this Kentucky team has
far superior talent compared to last year's UNC team.

Speaker 6 (49:14):
Yeah, so it's fair in this standpoint that UNC did
not turn out to be as good as people thought
they might be, and that Kentucky wasn't as good as
at this point as people thought they should be. And
what I mean why it's a fair comparison is regardless
of what that team becomes, it was a big night
for Michigan State that I think propels them. And I

(49:36):
thought that UNC game propelled Michigan State last year. I
think this game propels MSU. I think that is why
it's important, and that's the similarity. You're right, there are
different teams. Michigan State's in a different place. Michigan State
had already beaten Arkansas, they already had a sense of
themselves a little bit more, and that team a year
ago is still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
MZA should Michigan in Purdue really be viewed as that formidable.
Particularly Michigan's recent performances have looked uninspiring.

Speaker 6 (50:03):
From a talent standpoint. If they use the right pieces correctly,
Michigan's got a lot of it. And and yes, Purdue, Yeah,
Purdue for sure. But you know, the one thing I
do wonder about Purdue is they're in that run it
back mode with some guys. And you wonder how long
you can do that where the hunger is real. And
maybe it is and and and and I could be wrong,

(50:23):
but I've seen that where you just run it back
too many times. But Michigan, when they figure out the
guard play and and and you know who to run
their offense through and all that stuff, I think. I
think Michigan's Purdue has got a big game tonight, right.
Who's Purdue got tonight off?

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (50:41):
Yeah at Texas Tech. Yeah, that's an And I love
that as a road game. That's nice, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
John Noughty next on Tuesday from New York. Your three
hot takes use the word bugaboo for bugaboo? Did you
use with thesaurus? What's a synonym for bugaboo? And what
for you is a bugaboo, So I did not.

Speaker 6 (51:00):
I love the word bugaboo. I use it all the time.
I don't know what is it because we're seventy Yeah, jesus, yeah,
this source isn't even correct here, I don't I want
to Bugaboo is just like something you can't get over.
It's like a team that's there's like a mental block,
a thing that's been a problem for you. That's what
how I view it may not even be how it's
supposed to use. I use lots of words. They aren't

(51:20):
used correctly. They just come into my head at the time.
I think that sounds great, let's use it, and that's
that's how we get there.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
That's crazy. I did not use the source though, Izzo's
no longer got to go. Next, Debbie Downer question which
MSU player who outperformed expectations versus Kentucky will be seen
only this year's Booker versus UNC game by the end
of this season.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
Uh, I don't know that that will happen. So they're
a little different. Like Booker had a great game, right,
and but it was a sophomore who we've sort of
been waiting to have a breakout moment and the expectations
for him were different than the players who had big
game out of nowhere against Kentucky. So when you think
about ker Tang, Kirtang is a very different profile than

(52:06):
Xavier Booker, and he has a breakout game, and I
guess if that's it, he would be the guy. Jesse
McColl is in a very different place in his career.
I just I think, I guess Kirtang would have to
be the guy or to happen. But even Kerr is
just not in the same you know. I mean, he
was a guy barely played at all last year, you know,
wasn't brought in anywhere near as Herald did. Different position,

(52:28):
different situation. I mean, there was a moment where you
kept waiting with it with Xavior Booker, and there were
games where you thought, wait a second, can he be
a real real difference maker, the difference maker and why
they win and lose? And that was one of those
games where you thought maybe that was possible, because you
remember Jace Richardson didn't even play a neck North Carolina game.
That was before he really I mean, we had started

(52:49):
to figure out he was good, but not that good.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Grahaminito Couch next when Kirtang hits thirty points in a game,
can you both commit to snorty lines of tang live
on air an honor and celebration. I'm in okay, you down, couch,
I do it all right? There you go, do it?
I mean, look a little short line. Yeah, it's not
doesn't have to be anything crazy. I think I'd rather
just eat six groovy donants. But that's not what he's asking.

(53:15):
He's asking if we were willing to snort a line
of tang on the show, maybe we.

Speaker 6 (53:18):
Get tang on groovy donants. But yes, I would do
it it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Gramminito, just so does that? Does that mean you don't
think Kurtang can do thirty points in a game? I
don't think he's gonna get thirty in single games. Yeah,
that's why I wondered why you were so eager, Grammanito Couch.
Can you please get whoever that dumb fuck writer was
on ESPN who predicted MSU to miss the tourney this
season to come on and explain themselves to you both
and Chad Lats send them to pop. How do Guinea

(53:45):
along with Matt Painter and Dusty May hashtag basketball hashtag
cannibalism hashtag Exfinity.

Speaker 6 (53:51):
Multiview appreciate you. Who's this ESPN writer? I missed, I
was I wasn't wasn't watching. I saw they all picked
against MSU, and I didn't. I didn't hear the conversation.
You know, I think MSU at some point this year
that was a fair discussion. I think once they beat Arkansas, though,
you know, you'd have to see them really take a

(54:12):
dip before you thought they weren't a tournament team. And now,
I mean, it just seems like a ridiculous opinion.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I fear fears next. What would be the biggest nightmare
matchup for this MSU hoops team? My thought is a
team like Arizona with a really mentally tough point guard
in Bradley and a dominant, dominant athletic four and Pete.
I know, easy to say when Arizona is beating everyone, Yeah,
you don't want to.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
I mean, I still question if they face a team
with athletic toughness in the interior that sort of not
just matches but surpasses a little of what Michigan State has.
That said, Kohler is a rebounder, has proven himself to
be elite and the way he does, I don't know
that that's going to happen to him. And then you
just need a team like Arkansas but with a little
bit more seasoned guards that that could be a problem

(55:01):
for them too. Like I think there are teams out
there that give MSU problems. I think there will be
teams that are better than MSU. The thing that MSU
has shown me to this point, and the reason you
should have hope is that I think on a given day,
they can be almost anybody. Like I'd really like to
see them play Yukon again. Yukon I think is better
than MSU. I think Ukon's really really good. I just
want to see what that looks like, how MSU is

(55:21):
able to adjust to that defense and that that that ability.
But athletic season tough teams are with good guards and
great bigs. I mean, it's it's everybody. I mean, there
aren't that many of them. But and then we'll see
matchup wise, if there are teams where you know, if
you put length on Jeremy Fears or you're able to
you know, there may be some matchup stuff that that

(55:43):
will be interesting to watch going forward. That really becomes
a kryptonite.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Jarrett next, didn't Brad Underwood come to Illinois as a
really good defensive coach? Why do you think they've been
poor in this category?

Speaker 6 (55:55):
Well, he's changed is approach a zillion times, like and
and I mean they they've run. I think they're fro
on three different offenses. And I mean he's tried to
adapt to what he has and the players he has,
and that's why. I mean it's just been different sorts
of focuses and different he just changed his his systems.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I think MZA is Illinois the team to beat in
the Big Ten.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
They haven't done enough yet. I mean they're they're They're
very intriguing. No, I would say Purdue until somebody else
proves it is Oh for pres R. Trey Holloman and
his mom just engagement farming at this point. Going to
be interesting when MSU plays NC State in the second round,
assuming NC State isn't in the NIT chance of tang
is better will feed families.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I don't know why it's gotten to this point. Like,
I like his mom.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
I've talked to her quite a bit and she seemed
like a really reasonable, smart person.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
And I like Trey.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
I talked to him a lot, and you know, the
idea that they're throwing it is, oh here again, I
understand one else bitter though he is bitter why, I mean,
that's okay, you don't.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I don't. Well, No, I understand why he left. I don't.
He was told like, listen, we do not trust you
to be the starting point guard with that team. Yeah,
And I just feel like, I just I think he's take.
I can't believe after all that time he's still doing
like the tweet was wild, absolutely, but I can understand
where he's where it's coming from. I'm not so like
shocked or surprised by its Yeah. So I wonder if

(57:28):
in a mom supporting her son, you know, I get
I get that. Yeah, But it's just weird because for
three years the tone was different, right, And that's what's
what's interesting. And Trey Hollomand to me still has like
you just be quiet and go about his business.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
There.

Speaker 6 (57:43):
I think the way people feel about him would soften
over time and he'd have the ability to come back
and be like a lot of guys left the more
you talk shit them less, you know, But he doesn't
want to come back, don't.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Well.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
But he's twenty two, and he says he doesn't want
to come back, but where's Will Wade going to be
in a few years? And where you know now, granted
is tweets thou Will Wade are going to be really wild,
And I do think to hit to his point, I mean,
I understand that he never thought he was going to
get to be the starting point guard at Michigan State.
And I think his frustration was that was his sense
was even if he wound up being the best point

(58:15):
guard at Michigan State, they were going to choose Fears,
and that was something that's the way he felt, right
or wrong, fair or not. He thought, if I'm Magic Johnson,
They're still choosing Jeremy Fears, and he was not going
to get the fair shake in that in that sense.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Bill Pepper Junior, the third next name your all time
starting five white guys for EMBSSY basketball. Give me some
hof I can do this pretty quick.

Speaker 7 (58:36):
Hold on, I am the passenger peacock, and I ride
and ride, I ride through the series backside going out
of the sky.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, alright, So Scott's Green got top five.

Speaker 6 (59:00):
Number one is Scott Skiles. Yeah, Number one is easy.
Scott Skiles. Number two, you have to go way down
because the Skyles is like a top five or all time.
Number two is holy shit, white guys suck. Drew Nitzel, Yeah,
all right, all right. Number three maybe Paul Davis.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Definitely Paul Davis. All right.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
Number four would be Jack Quiggle based on my rankings, Yeah,
autaba or a number five. So if you want to
not if we're just gonna go in the era where
things weren't black and white, let's go non black and white. Uh,
then the four and five would be like Mike Poplowski

(59:44):
and maybe kirk Man's I don't it's it's it's yeah
those guys, Yeah right, it's uh kirk Man's can you
talk about a guy who couldn't defend anybody?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Wow? Great shooter, though, boy it's it is bleak. And
so you just went off like a NW miracle list
like you didn't actually have like of white guys, Like,
why didn't we I.

Speaker 6 (01:00:01):
Went through my top What I do is I went
through my top fifty all time and just looked at
white Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
We get it. White guys suck. I know, but man,
it'd be nice to have a category of just white guys.
You know, do you want me to?

Speaker 6 (01:00:11):
I could do that next summer, best White next Yeah,
seriously July topic, best white guys, best South East Asians,
best white guys. We've just do the all the races.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Just go through that. Bill Pepper Junior the third, Jason,
how many mgs do I need for this Catholic wedding tonight?
Oh man? Well, what's your tolerance? Bill Pepper Junior the third?
I mean I would say definitely twenty MG's little pregame
smoke a joint, and then your tolerance depends on this,

(01:00:40):
like I don't want you to get too fucking stone,
but definitely for the ceremony, because those Catholic weddings can
obviously write those take like an hour and a half,
so you're going to be in for the long haul.
You need one of those to like hit in. So
you might want to take twenty twenty MG's pre roll
kind of smoke before and then as you're going in,
maybe take another twenty MG's ten mgs whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
You're talking a Friday night wedding, probably leading into a reception.
Then later it's interesting too, because you got to keep
yourself right for the reception. Now you don't Okay, well
you're just trying to get through it at this Point's
weddings can be long, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
But again it's just depending on your tolerance. It's just
something I would do. It's worked for me because I
can honestly sit through a lot of stuff on like
twenty to forty mgs. It's wonderful. Thank you for weed.
Like this show. Oh yeah, Alex Mayer watching Trey and
his mom tweet stupid shit this week. But seeing guys
like Chris Allen and Corey Lucius return over the years

(01:01:36):
where former players you are certain will never come back
for grind Week and team recognitions.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I don't know that there are players that because so
many guys that coming. Aj Hogart comes back, ADYE. Hogart
still hangs out, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
That is true.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
There are some guy I'm trying to think, who's somebody
that you know, Marcus Taylor has not come back really
and and that I think is something they would love
to happen. But that was more on Marcus kind of yeah,
he's welcome back, and I think people would look. I
think if I think Marcus Taylor. We talked about Alan Haller,
like if the basketball if he used a basketball game
and the camera pan to him. Would he get an ovation?
And I say, in ten years, he gets an ovation,

(01:02:14):
and I will lead the fucking ovation if I have
to to make sure he gets an ovation, just because
I don't want to be wrong about this, But I
think if Marcus Taylor was at a game and the
crowd and he, you know, put his hand up and
wave it, people would go nuts. People would be thrilled
to see Marcus Taylor at the game. No nuts would
People would applaud, people would be excited. It would be
better than Haller right now would be. It would be

(01:02:35):
better than Haller.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
But I don't know if people would like, oh yeah,
by the way, how many players have come through Michigan State.
If you have a couple that don't talk to the
pro like, it's just right right, It's inevitable no matter
what kind of program you run, you have that many people.
What's his name?

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
The guy transferred to Notre Dame in the center, hold on,
he's the guy still talks shit about his Oh hold
on that really.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Really good peanut, say under glass tape, I look through
my windows. The bride and hollows.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
Guy yea Geric Sherman, Greck Sherman. People are like throwing
their phones. Garrick Sherman. He taught all the time. Really yeah,
where's he at? I don't know, Ship talk Gerrick, Alex Mayor.
Who's the last player to improve as much as Cooper? Well,
I would say, I mean, I'm just thinking about big

(01:03:43):
white guys. I would say Mac Costello improved a ton,
Like it's easy to remember. Mac just have to be
white guys, I know, But I'm just saying, like I
just jumped in my head Mac Costello, some racist man.
Kenny Goins, Uh, Mat Costello. I mean Kenny Goings changed
a little about himself. But that was like halfway through
the season though, right, No, that was all year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
He was changing the really good yeah and he got
yeah yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
I mean I'm blanking out. But there have been there
have been guys who've certainly been that. And I would
argue that Denzel Valentine, Like Denzel Valentine went from a
guy and I know he was playing a lot and
starting as a sophomore and it was a good player,
and then he became a very good player as a junior.
But the nineteen seven and seventy average as a senior
like the guy was like a consensus first team All

(01:04:31):
American and there was no sign of that as a sophomore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Darren next emailing today with a classic Jack Ebly move
of creating work for someone else. I was flabberg acid
to learn during the recent Fox broadcast of the MSU
Arkansas hoops game or the commenters casually mentioned that Cohen
Carr was recorded to have a fifty one and a
half inch vertical during practice. What is notable is that

(01:04:57):
the world record for a standing vertical jump is fifty
one one, which was recently set by Darius Clark on
June nineteenth, twenty twenty five. Cohen Carr has the potential
to be a world record holder with his unreal athleticism.
Graham would love a follow up to car and or
Izzo to see if he has any desire or plans
to try to become a world record holder.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
So this is a great question, It belongs, it deserves
a follow up, and I will ask him. By the way,
I did ask Cohen Carr about the jersey, the shirt
that he was wearing under his jersey and how big
it was and all that stuff, And I was gonna
do a little short post on it. But that was
like the day all the NCAA violation stuff hit and anyway,
well what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Do you say? But he basically said, no, it's his shirt.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
It's just a T shirt. It's a large T shirt.
He's won it before, it's his own, nil one, like
it's a personal shirt, but it's just really big. But
the problem was the thing they wear underneath it that
like track their heart and exercise how many steps and
all that stuff they're doing. That big thing that looks
like a sports bra and everything that's that was like
pushing it up so it looked even bigger and bulky.
It looked more like patting than actually was. But he
said it was a normal T shirt. But a lot
of people ask them about it. But the sleeves Cohen,

(01:06:04):
I mean went down to your wrist, big big, sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, No, I had a.

Speaker 6 (01:06:08):
Cohen car shirt out, Like how do you get those?
I want to I'm sure you can buy them. He
wants to sell them, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
I will.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
I will look into that for you. The things, but
the vertical things a good question because this is where
embellishing can be an issue, Like if you really have
a forty eight inch vertical and you're like, ah, it's
fifty one sounds great, fifty two sounds great, and then
you've kind of like your basketball career. Well yeah, but
I'm not crossing world records with my basketball career. That's
the difference here. So it's seventeen threes in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Ones, So we'll have to find out if that's how
legitimate that is. Faucet liquor, what he's real? Real final
fours are not as impressive as MSU fans make them
out to be. All right, this is fossil liquor. Last year,
MSU had to beat Bryant, New Mexico and Old miss
for an Elite eight, none of them ranked. To make
a Final four, they would have only needed to beat
a single ranked opponent. Yet MSU fans sites and the

(01:06:58):
Final four act as if the final fours are titles.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
You can make anything sound shitty. Like what I mean
by that is, you know, all so and so had
to do to get to the Super Bowl is beat
an overrated team like that and beat this and beat that,
Like like sounds personal. I'm just saying, like, to me,
final fours are like getting to the Super Bowl and losing.
It's still you got to a super Bowl and it's
still it's it's still pretty impressive. And the final look,

(01:07:24):
it's been this benchmark that's forever been created in college sports.
Is it the hardest thing to do? Is it harder
than hitting a major league fastballs?

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
That you know it is?

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
It is not the hardest thing to do in sports.
It is true that matchups dictate a lot of that.
Some years you've got a better team and it doesn't happen.
But I still think it's impressive than amount of times
they've been there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
It is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
It does speak The fact they haven't actually won a
second national title speaks to the level between getting to
a final four and winning a national title. And I
do think there's a sizeable gap that is probably just
as large as getting to a final four. But getting
there is impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Without cheating too. Yeah, right, so iating there when you
were paying players before you could pay players. But I
do disagree. So I disagree with Fawcett. Layer Stout was
doing earn Stout, Izzo was doing it way before. I
fuck Ralphie. Hey, guys, we can go to the Champions
Classic and save our Robert Baron bosses some money and
stay By the Airport and queens Graham Graham, Graham, Graham Graham.

(01:08:19):
What do you think the pitch was to Medlock Junior
with Fears set to stay one to two more years.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
We stayed out by queens By in the air by
the airport. Not our greatest, not our greatest New York trip.

Speaker 5 (01:08:29):
But the.

Speaker 6 (01:08:31):
Hotel prices were just unreal. I mean it was like
a thousand bucks for a night.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Is like, we're not.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
I mean my wife just went there for work the
past two days and it was crazy. It must be
I didn't realize. I knew Christmas with the tree and
you know, Rockfeller Center and all that stuff, but I
didn't realize, like Thanksgiving, was that even this this far
before Thanksgiving pretty amazing? What the pitch was again, Medlock
Junior with Fears. I don't know if Medlock Junior knows
Fears is going to stay, but also if you were somebody,

(01:08:58):
I mean, Medlock was not like a top five player, right,
He's a top seventy five player, and he's a guy
who his dad went to eastern Michigan, like Michigan State
where he grew up. Has Cashe is o has Cashe
And I think you see the possibility to have it
be your program for a little while, and you don't
know how long Fear is going to stay. You don't

(01:09:20):
you know, somebody who's asked a question about I mean
they are I mean Fears. It's weird that Fears and
Medlock are both of me on the team together because
their dads were in the same league. I covered the
MAC at that time. Henry Fear Senior was at Ohio
at the same time Carlos Medlock was at Eastern Michigan.
They were two of the best guards and young guards,
almost the same class in the class apart, maybe two
classes apart, in the one class part in the MAC

(01:09:42):
back then. But you know, so, I don't know exactly
what the pitch was. But he I don't know many
places he's going to go and get to be the
starter on day one for sure. That would be of
this level program and he may only have to wait
a year. I would be surprised if you had to
wait more than one year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Lewis Baiez, are we going to going to crown the
winner of the MSU DO game in December, the champion
of the Champions Classic, the Tournament of Champions. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
I think people forget about the Champions Classic by then.
That'll be an interesting game, though, because I mean, Michigan
State schedule is set up nice in the fact they
got Duke in Arkansas at home. Duke looks really, really ferocious,
and they have them at Breslin makes that more and
more doable for MSU. The fact that Iowa was at home.
North Carolina is on a neutral court. Their only road game,

(01:10:25):
true road game is at Penn State before the new year.
If I were doing the AP poll still, I would
have some writing that column. I would have some things
to say about a Missue schedule, not that it's not
a tough schedule, just the lack of doing what Purdue
is doing tonight at Texas A and M, or even
like what Michigan did going down the TCU.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Richard Kane next, Where does the Kentucky win rank in
all time impressive wins during the IZO era, including but
not limited to one fourteen sixty three over Michigan two
thousand and nine, Louisville and Yukon wins Duke in twenty
nine teen Elite eight, and twenty twenty three over Baylor.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
It's more twenty twenty three over Baylor. I mean Duke,
I mean, look if Duke twenty nineteen Elite eight to
me is like pretty up there. Yeah, al timer one
fourteen sixty three over Michigan was a big moment.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And then.

Speaker 6 (01:11:20):
The two thousand nine Louisville and Yukon wins obviously very important,
huge wins.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
This is below all that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
This is more twenty twenty three Baylor really impressive eye
opening regular season win. Now that Baylor game didn't translate
the rest of the way, and so we'll see with
this Kentucky game.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Richard Kine does piecing together some possibilities for the next
MSU coach make you feel like an obituary obituary writer.

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Not really, this is this happens you're talking about college football,
not iszz oh. I mean that would make me feel
like an obituary writer because it's old. But yeah, stop
trying to kill is. I'm not trying to kill it
really annoys me. No, No, I did not feel like
an obituarita writer. It's just it's the sad part of
the business. And you know, you can like somebody personally
because Jonathan Smith a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
He's a good guy. Richard Kane. To succeed in college
football today, does a coach have to be a defensive prick?
And would Jonathan Smith be better if he were such
a man? Well you gotta win. Yeah, he'd be a
defensive prick and have the same results here.

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Of like, it would be really easy to get rid
of that guy if he's a prick right now, I'd
be like, oh my god, this cannot wait to get
this guy at the door.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
He sucks and he's a yeah, Brian Kelly, it's easy
to fire that guy one Balbany. What place will MSU
basketball finish in the Big Ten regular season? So hard
to know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:35):
The league is stacked though, I mean it really is.
And what I mean by that is, I don't know.
There may be a tier of like you know, Final
four National championship, but there are like thirteen teams that
have a real shot at the NCAA tournament, and you're
playing a lot of those teams on the road on
given days, and so who plays who and where it's
it's really hard to know. I think Michigan State the
way they're playing now looks like a team that should

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be in that has a real chance to be in
that upper group and top five range, which I think
it's gonna be a really good group. But from there,
whether they can you know, push Purdue and be better
than Michigan or Illinois, Like, we just don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
You one ball, Graham, what's your favorite Christmas Hallmark movie?
Have a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
There's one on the Buffalo Bills, The Buffalo Bills of
This Saturday. There's a whole Hallmark movie based on Bill's
fan It's gonna be great, But I would say, what, yeah,
what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
Hold on? They had a cancer the Chiefs one last year.
Hold on, hold on all right? They pulled. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:13:34):
It's called Holiday Touchdown, a Bill's love Story. It's it's
premiering this Saturday. People Thrown through Tables Bill. The film
follows two lifelong friends off and you know, the platanic
relationship for our huge Bills fans, and work together and
find a secret Santa for one of their uncles, all
the while developed developing feelings for each other. I got
the tingling feelings just reading this. This is incredible. That's

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a duce God oh no, not a duce sholl ah,
oh man, this is this is exciting, so so exciting.
Your excitement for it has given me douche, but Snowed
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Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Bethany Joy Lens, tell the people who Bethany joy Lenses.

Speaker 6 (01:14:16):
She's a great, great actress. Used to be in One
Tree Hill. Let's move on, please, I'm getting red in
the face.

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Not that there's anything wrong with it. I gotta say,
I don't really have any. I don't watch porn in
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Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
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Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
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I had a bunch. Ok, yeah, yeah, a lot, but
I saw one ball. I don't really, I don't know who.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
I don't know. I don't watch porn in a way
to where I know who the hell it is. I'm
watching the porn hub and scrolling through.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
And watching porn together can be a Christmas party activity.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
You remember that? And and no and watching porn with you, dude? No,
not not me and you. But I'm just I'm just
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window close already? I hate talking about this window now
with them. No, I don't think news. I mean I
think this year is gonna be hard. I just don't
think the windows closed and this year's gonna bean. What
do you mean by window close? I means like right,
like so next year we have no shot.

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
If your window closed, it means you have to rebuild
whole different iteration, new quarterback, new everything. And no, I
don't think that's I don't think everybody's still in place.

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is the injury status of Innis Sotello. I was at
the game against Western Michigan and saw her in a boot.
Liz Frank, I hope not. That would be a huge
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was a big win. And it's it's it's cool for
them that they're in the Oh sorry, Barb.

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Please, please be of age if you're gonna so tell
Sotello is the foreign player who's I sophomore, who I
think is going to be a really wonderful player for them.
She has she has a foot injury similar to like
Kohler and all these these like stress fracture type things,
I think, And I think their hope though, is sometime
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Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
It's got you next. MSU coaches and players keep saying
this phrase, got to keep the main thing the main thing?

Speaker 6 (01:22:31):
Did they really? Did they say that? You've heard more
than one lots of people say that. Really now it's
Tucker used to say that. Not yet, I don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't. We don't have enough time for
all of that. Have you or anyone else on the
beat ask them what the main thing is? If no
one has yet? Why no one has asked yet what
exactly the main thing for this football program?

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
Because it's a cliche and we our eyes glaze over,
But you're right, it should be asked. That's why it
doesn't get asked. Your main thing, r main thing. You're like,
that's cool, I'm not using Okay, yeah, the main thing.
The main thing is like keeping your eyes on the
prize focused just some cliche and someone heard it and
was like, you know what, that's a good way to
get out of something.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
People ask you a question. It's got you. Ryan Eckley
participated in Senior Day and Smith has not asked him
about next year yet. If you want to be the
coach next how do you not ask that to a
guy who walked on a senior Day and has a
year left?

Speaker 6 (01:23:28):
It's interesting question. I don't know what their conversations all were.
I think Eccley is going pro and but he did
say that it sounded like he had There are a
couple of guys who, you know, were just didn't know
what they were going to do, and and but yeah,
with actually you think that conversation would be pretty blunt.
You know what are you thinking? Where you're at? And
I don't have an answer to And then he actually

(01:23:50):
would go, where are you guys at? Yeah, that's right,
you want why don't you tell me I'm going to
be in the NFL. That's the main thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
It's got you. Who, if anyone is the best comparison
for Justia Jervis. I hear people say Gary Harris, but
Josiah seems to have more to his game, and then
Gary and better with the ball in his hands. Charlie
Bell or Shannon Brown. Possibly, Yeah, it's hard to know
until you see it at a higher level. You know,
you can watch all the highlights, And what I like
to do is sometimes you can find highlights of guys

(01:24:17):
that aren't like highlights. What I mean by that is
it's just like five minutes of them playing in a
game or a full game. It's boring tape.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
It is boring tape, but you get a better sense
of them, and it's not just their best stuff, like
what are they doing when they don't have the ball
in their hands, how they defending, body language, all that stuff.
And I like to watch and I've seen some of
that from Jervis, but not enough to really feel like
I have a great comparison. Like Shannon Brown was a
next level athlete. Bell was an interesting character, but he's
kind of a stiff athlete, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Don't know that.

Speaker 6 (01:24:45):
I don't know who Jervis is in terms of that.
But Gary Harris was something I got from from from
a coach who'd recruited him for a while and really
thought that was an.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
But if he's athletic like Shannon Brown. I mean, that's
just obvious. You don't need to watch any kind of tape. Yeah,
you see about a thirty second clip of that guy.
He's not the above the room guy Shannon brownos David Cox.
Who's the greater loss of revenue buy out of a
terrible coach or empty stands? Next year when we go
too and ten, I'm dead inside with this team, And
why would I want to go to the game to

(01:25:15):
see my team get destroyed?

Speaker 6 (01:25:17):
Well, this is a question. This is one of the
reasons I think you make a move. Now how much movie,
Let's let's put it in the perspective of the keeping
Jonathan Smith and the idea that financially long term like
this makes sense. Let's try to let's try to make
that argument. No, I'm out, Well, that's part of the problem. Yeah,
the whole fan base is out. Yeah, so people aren't

(01:25:38):
gonna show up nex year. So you save seven million
dollars to buy out this year to next year or whatever.
You get a little more time to get your shit together,
and people are out next year, they're not happy you
and maybe they win six games and it's not enough.
Who knows what they actually you know, who knows what
it looks like on the field next year. The issue is,

(01:25:59):
once you've decided it's time to move on, you're just
wasting time if you don't do that. And I just
don't see how. I don't see how he wins this
fan base back and I don't see the possibilities for
winning enough to do so. Did he get enough time
for a fair shake, to develop an offensive line and
do the things? Probably not no, But but that's why
you get paid to go away.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Not all this is fair. It's not. You know, he
is not.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
This isn't about Jonathan Smith. You know, he is the
steward of a program for a point in time, and
you get an opportunity to lead it, and if it
doesn't work, you got to go do something else and
somebody else gets an opportunity. That's all it is. He
doesn't own the program and you can't, you know. That's
that's why he gets paid so much money. And it's
you know, even for people who aren't I you know,
I hear all the time. Well there's you know, there's

(01:26:40):
a lot of people who lose their jobs who don't
make what he makes. There's a lot of people who
are gas and staffers and other things, and this disrupts
their lives. They've chosen this business, you know, whatever you
choose to do in life, there are pluses and minuses.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
With him, I love what I do.

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
There are times that I would rather not drive down
to West Lafayette on a Wednesday night in January and
I'd rather stay home and watch Hallmark, right, But that's
the job.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
That's the you know.

Speaker 6 (01:27:07):
And then you're at the game and it's an amazing
atmosphere and you have fun. There are times you're working
till seven in the morning and you're like, man, I'd
love to be asleep right now. But there are lots
or lots of plus sides. I'm going to Florida on
the company dime next week for four days. Who So again,
let's see those right off. When you choose to be
a coach, a college coach at this level, this is
this is the trade off, and it's not always fair

(01:27:29):
and it sometimes sucks, but this is what you want
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
And so you're not do you expense everything? Yeah, you
expense everything, well almost everything. Like what I mean is like,
what's like the lowest amount thing that you've expensed, like
if you go and stop and get some Like.

Speaker 6 (01:27:43):
I have a company credit card, so it just goes
on a credit Oh yeah, decline the Yeah. No, No,
I don't expect, Like what I don't do is I
don't expect like I know what I can get away
with when I can't. Like if I want to take
my wife to a really nice hotel that's double the
price that would normally stay on my own, then I
will only charge the company half of that price. I'll
put it on It's called thebling Elan used to do that.

(01:28:05):
Ebling and Joe made life easier for me because Rex
Road and Ebling were not cheap on the when they
were on the road. Some would say they made it
harder for you. No, because they don't know what the
cost of things is. Like, yeah, I spend less money
in twenty twenty five than Ebling did in two thousand
and two, so they have no concept of what and
O three goods cost, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Dan Grave, can you stop calling MSU a top twenty job.
It was a top twenty job in the old NC
double A, but the new NC double A might not
be a.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Top forty job. This is a fair point. I mean,
you're right, because other things that weren't good jobs become
good jobs. Right, Vanderbilt all of a sudden doesn't look
like a horrible job. Indiana becomes a good job. I
still think Michigan State has the makings to be a
top thirty job, but you have to work at it.
You have to make sure it stays there, and even
a top twenty job. I think there is the will

(01:28:54):
to be a football school. There is the donor base
if it's invigorated in top into properly. I think all
the things are there for it to be a top
twenty job, but you have to nurture it. There's no question.
It's not an auto thing. But I still believe you
can convince somebody that it had the potential to be that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Dan Grave rich Rod was not a great coach. He
was a coach who was ahead of his conference in
the zone read offense. He came to the big ten
and struggled, not all of his not all his fault,
went to the back twelve and struggled. That's like saying
John L. Smith was a great coach. Graham, what are
you thinking? Well, he was really good at West Virginia.

(01:29:32):
He was great at West Virginia. He was a good coach,
you know, I don't know. Maybe it wasn't a great coach,
but he was. He was a really good coach in
that moment, and it seemed like a great hire. And
and he the mistake he made is he took Michigan's
personality away from it. He changed the identity of the program,
which is what Luke Fickle tried to do at Wisconsin,
and that is always a disaster. I don't think Jonathan

(01:29:54):
Smith has done that. I don't think that part of it.
I think that part of it was was a fit.
It's a you know, they want to run the ball,
pro style offense, you know, offensive line development, all that
stuff that fits MSU. It just hasn't happened. That's the problem. Dan.
Do you think Michigan and USC would really leave the
Big Ten of the private equity deal. I don't think so.

(01:30:17):
I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:30:17):
I get and first of all, Michigan's, especially in Michigan,
USC can kick rocks because they're not really a traditional
program in the Big Ten. But you can't lose Michigan
from the Big Ten's. It's too much to lose. It
would hurt the Big ten. Michigan does have leverage in
this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
And wouldn't Michigan get a nice portion of that equity deal? Right? Well,
that's it's not like they're going to get slighted like
Michigan State would right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
Right, Michigan is saying this is not good for anybody,
right And yeah, no, Michigan's on the right side of
this one. They've been on the wrong side of some stuff,
but this is there on the right side of this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Dan, is it ironic that MSU is the program to
have wins vacated after hearing for the last two years.
Michigan would have vacated their title. It is ironic.

Speaker 6 (01:30:59):
It's not straight up have been in the Alanis Morrisset song,
although half the things that she talked about weren't actually irony.
But nonetheless, one, wow, what.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
A nerd is that? Do you tell people that way?
If the song comes on? I try not to good
because because don't because no one likes that person, right,
you know, like the Journey song was South Detroit. You
know there's actually not a South Detroit. It's Windsor if.

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Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Williamson money Bag. If Michigan were to actually go independent,
how many years would it be before they schedule twelve
home games in football? The next year?

Speaker 6 (01:31:50):
Yeah, the first year of it. Yeah, that's where Michigan
doesn't have the moral high ground. They would freaking try
to cheat the system almost imediate.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
I'm not talking about money Bag? Does iszz oce Andy
Katz asking all of our players why they didn't transfer?
And will he tell Cats to go fuck himself the
next time he sees him?

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
So I wasn't there for that conversation. I heard he
asked kurtang about why he stayed or what you know,
and some of that's fair stuff now, but that's how
he asked. I don't know why didn't you transfer? I
don't know if hiso saw it or if his will
bring it up. I mean when I actually heard about it.
I mean, the last time I asked a player about transferring,
it was Gerrek Norman and I got a call from
ISO like four hours later. It started with fuck you,

(01:32:31):
So like, I don't you know, like it doesn't even
read the column, which is like a really nice column
on Garrick anyway, But so maybe he did call cats.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Why did you write something? Why don't you write something?
Why don't you write so? Oh my god, c K.
I completely agree with Graham about non conference scheduling and
what Indiana has done is ridiculous. But should MS you
consider canceling their series with Notre Dame? Is that even
possible with the current network deal? Vibes are at an
all time low, and a thirty point ellen South Bend

(01:33:00):
for a new coach wouldn't help that, well, I know,
because you can't start going through and picking who you
don't want to play. Yeah, and this is what foot
college football should be.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
Indiana is not. I mean, Indiana is sort of wrecking
at all in the sense that it's worked. They played
the shit schedule when they didn't need to, but they
are healthier when they get to the Big Ten and
they don't practice as long that other team. I mean,
he's done it all right, and it's been perfect. I'm
not gonna what Kurtsik that he has done has been perfect.
Everything he touches is magic. But who doesn't want Michigan
State playing Notre Dame Like that's a really fun early

(01:33:34):
season game. Now, it's not fun if you het your
ass beat, but it's that's what college football should be
and and you don't want to ever get away from that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
I don't think Dino Spimoni, what are your thoughts on
this big ten capitol deal? Why lock in something until
twenty forty six? Also, why would MSU be okay having
the lowest tier of the deal?

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
I don't think they love that. I mean, look at
the mount Michigan State would be getting was like one
hundred and ten million versus someonould be getting one nine.
What the I don't The problem is, this is why
you can't stay down, because if this is twenty fifteen
Michigan State, Michigan State would be in a higher tier.
This is when you know why it mattered to you know,
Butler basketball, right, they won themselves up two conferences at

(01:34:15):
the right time when all this stuff was happening in
college sports and like that stuff really really matters. You
can't be bad for too long. And I don't know
if Michigan State would have a choice. The big the
argument with it is you lock yourself in with the
other schools, which most of the Big ten wants, and
you you get some cash up front which can help

(01:34:38):
you in a lot of ways if you can then
budget responsibly from then that point forward. But yeah, I don't,
I don't. I think the schools should try and find
a different way out.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Chris Next. Before the NCAA ruling last week, I would
have asked if you or anyone on the beat had
asked bad about the potential U see investment and his
justification for it. After the news, I couldn't give a shit.
Let the whole goddamn sport burn to the ground for
all I care. Now, Yeah, you're not alone. A lot
of people are less invested in field. You know, We'll
see what how they feel.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
I don't want it to burn, but yeah, I've lost
some of my excitement for Saturdays. The real test will
be of Michigan State ever gets great again in football
and what that level of does it feel like it
did in twenty thirteen. Does it feel like it did
in one? And if it doesn't. If it doesn't, then
then college football has a real real problem. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
The orlas of Southern Maine in Holo ras do Maryland
Wisconsin bringing their coaches back make you rethink Smith's Returney?
Any chance the fits to Penn State rumor is true.

Speaker 6 (01:35:40):
I love the lay Is characters, the Hounds funny, great,
keep them coming, I know, And if anything, I would,
I would think this is the reason to I mean,
I don't think Wisconsin and Maryland are good examples of
doing football right right now. And I don't think they're
good examples of work Athletic directors are all that well respected.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
I would could Fickle get fired again? Like, wait, they
signed him to an extension, right? Is that true? They
said so? But they's because you want to get if
you're Wisconsin, right, Like they have no offensive lineman coming
back or any commits, or they'd not be able to
feel the team. All right, I heard you. I'm just
saying it wouldn't be wild. I don't know said Wisconsin's like,

(01:36:24):
all right, take this money, get out of here. I
don't know about Fitzgerald depend sate, I haven't heard. You know,
I've heard the same probably rumor you have. I have
no sources on that. How about Franklin of va Tech?
Though good for vo Tech, that's good for vo Tech.
I didn't know votech was a player. Where are they
getting the money from? Well, they were good for a
long time, they were, I understand, but they were in
this level, this category of going after a guy. I mean,

(01:36:45):
I just thought it was a big move. It is.
It's a big move. And you know, look, I.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
Tend to think Pat Pacheril would be a good fit
for Michigan. Say and if if, and what you have
to hope if you're somebody who wants that is that
when he had that whole conversation about things he thought
were important, one of the things he liked as a
school with a really good basketball program and a good
basketball coach. And that ain't Penn State. So I don't
know that that really matters to him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
But Tim, tim recent history situation, in perception of being
ass can you name five Big ten schools that look
like less desirable jobs in Michigan State? Please try to
not blindly say top thirty job because of resources, while
also saying they took the NCAA penalty to avoid paying
Tucker because they're broke.

Speaker 6 (01:37:30):
All right, So I mean, I think Northwestern is a
worse job. Even though they have you know, a new
stadium and donors, they just don't have a fan base
that shows up every week. I think Purdue is a
worse job. I think Maryland is a worst job.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
I think.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
Indiana long term, we'll see, but that's certainly a perception
of what doesn't need to be a worst job. I
think Illinois and football is a worst job. Minnesota is five.
So that's five that are there are worst jobs for sure.
I'm probably u c l A six is a worst
job for sure. So there are others out you know,

(01:38:09):
there are others that are there. There are definite Rutgers seven.
So there are seven without question to me that are
in terms of the you know, Michigan State is better
than Tim.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Tim. Can you name the last time Izzo did anything
with a top freshman recruit? Why would any five star
commit to MSU given his track record? Wasn't Booker the
number one recruit at some point? Torbert two, the resale
on the twenty twenty seven Final four tickets is going
to be a hilarious thing to watch play.

Speaker 6 (01:38:36):
Out Michigan Van Tim Tim very clear, but all are
welcome here. The uh you know, when we started the show,
wasn't the idea, wasn't it be a Michigan State podcast.
It just turned out that's all I really know, So
that was It's true. Talk about that and what porn
stars we like. Yeah, yeah, Hooker's story because you know,
we when we started doing this five days a week
and we were doing like fifteen minute segments for two hours,

(01:38:57):
we do like a Lebron segment all sorts anyway, the
good times.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
Yeah, the.

Speaker 6 (01:39:06):
Well, first of all, Booker was miscast. I mean book
the Xavier Booker ranking on three twenty four to seven
rivals should not exist period after that. If you can't,
if you're not getting those evaluations, that wrong because there
are certain things of him skill wise that were great,
but they should have been able to see it, and
they knew he wasn't going to be as good as

(01:39:28):
his ranking. It was a weaker class too, but they
knew he wasn't gonna be as good as his ranking.
They thought he'd be further along than he was. And
the lack of aggression and other things. He's had some
really good, high level Jaren Jackson was a one and
done guy, was high pick and you know, went on
to have a great career. You know, I'm trying to
think of it. Top guy he's had. That's Miles, Well, Miles,

(01:39:49):
you know, Miles stayed two years, but was you know,
really good obviously great freshman.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
He's not.

Speaker 6 (01:39:54):
This is not Izo's issue. People think ISO has not
had an issue developing and all these guys still come back.
They've all had good NBA careers though, I mean, the
lack of development piece is kind of a bullshit storyline.
I just he hasn't had that many overall top recruits.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
He hasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:40:11):
He used to talk about the idea that you know,
pre Nil there were usually like ten eight to ten
guys who are real difference makers in the freshman class,
and Kentucky you would grab, you know, five of them,
Duke would grab three of them, and then they were
like two for everybody else and sometimes they would get one.
And that's just the way it was. And Kansas in
there too. So he just hasn't had that many of them. Torbert,

(01:40:32):
You're right, got hurt and never developed and then you had,
You've had some guys get hurt, you've had Yeah, it's
but that's not really I don't. I don't buy that
that story arc of Izzo's career being being real is
something he's not good at.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Tim Tim trying to be optimistic. But do either of
you believe that Dan Campbell is not pushing the pedal
to the floor this year like we did last year
to have injury and burnout. I know we have injuries,
but part of me feels that we're getting overly cautious
with Red Laporta et cetera to get to the playoffs healthy. Yeah,
Laporta's out for the year, is that for sure? Sure? Well,

(01:41:15):
they're saying, I mean, he had just had surgery, right
and he was gonna be out four weeks. But they're
saying that there's no way, really, you can come back
from something like that till next season. Sucks. So I don't.
I mean, with the guy that tough, I would never
say not. I mean, look at guy like Joe Burrow.
We thought he was gonna be out there talking about
him playing possibly this week. I know Laporta is one
of the toughest mfrs out there, but yeah, it's just

(01:41:37):
too Yeah, I mean, I could. I mean, it sounds
ridiculous to say that, why would you know? But it
is kind of realistic that in these NFL seasons, with
the ebb and flow of it, you know, constantly changing
every four weeks, that you kind of want to You
looked at what happened last year and you kind of
want to pull back a little bit. I would want.

Speaker 6 (01:41:55):
I mean, you know, you know my philosophy and this,
I hold out certain guys with the team till week
eleven and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
You know, the drink everybody. Yeah, yeah, but houch to
the bit. Yeah, And so I get that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:04):
The problem is you also, you know, you have to
get in the playoffs and you want to be home
if you can for a game. And like, I don't
think obviously there's only one buy anymore. When there used
to be two buys, it felt like that was really
something to push for. Now it's like the bye didn't
get them anything last year. You know, there's only one
so things really have to go perfect. But I do
think not having to play the entire playoffs on the

(01:42:26):
road is something you want to avoid, and so you
have to get in at a certain level.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
Too. Dan Mack next another podcast or earlier this week,
indicated there is a slight chance that MSU was negotiating
a contract buy out with Smith so Smith could return
to Oregon State next year. That is why Jay Bat
has not issued a statement of support or fired him yet.
What are your thoughts on this, Well, it would be
the perfect situation for an issue. I don't I don't

(01:42:50):
have information on it, but the ideal in sucks. I'm
going back home.

Speaker 6 (01:42:54):
An ideal world Oregon State, which which had some hurt
feelings about him leaving, but it's been a disaster since
would say this is this is the best scenario for us,
although a lot of times the second time around doesn't
work that great. And Smith would would would welcome that.
Now you're you'd be going back to a mid major
high mid major. It's a different scenario I have, but
I have no intel on that, so I'm not I'm

(01:43:15):
not gonna gonna say that that's what's happening. But again,
if you're MSU and that were the case, you would
help facilitate that in any way you can. Because here's
the thing at Oregon State, and here's what I think
maybe was missed by haller or missed by like you
can have. You can slowly develop a program into something
really good and lose games early without having this fiery

(01:43:39):
personality or whatever that that meets fans at where they
are if you're doing it your alma mater, which is
also the school where you played quarterback and took them
to the Orange Bowl or whatever like a rose. But
whatever they took you didn't. You know, he's a legendary
player there. If that was think about if MSU had
like a legendary player right now who was a second

(01:43:59):
year coach. The conversation would be different, right, It'd be
different feelings about the guy, and so that maybe something
like that works. But I have zero information. I just
think that's the best case scenario.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Mark Snyder heard Camparoni saying very few tickets have sold
for the MSU Maryland game at Ford Field. Looking on Ticketmaster,
it looks like the entire upper deck is sold out
and much of the lower area as well. How many
people are you predicting, Yeah, I don't. I was gonna
say like twenty five people, So I guess I don't know.

(01:44:30):
If I think it'll be more tickets selling. We talked
about this like people. I mean, it's it's a cool event.
It's you know, the Saturday. If night doesn't help, I
don't think night helps actually because but it's still a
shitty football game, like a cool event, what do you.

Speaker 6 (01:44:44):
What I mean is fewer people with kids and families,
if it's cheap, are going to go out to Detroit,
and especially if you're you're traveling back the next day.
And like I do think for people, I think over Thanksgiving,
you're tired of your family, You've been hanging out with
a lot of people. This is something to do and
it's warm indoors in it's college football. But yeah, I
would say, first of all, if you don't get to
go to college football games very often, and you live

(01:45:06):
on the east side of the state and you don't
get to go because it's cost prohibitive, this might be
your chance. It might be very very cheap on the
secondary market to go to games. You probably can get
your hands on just about free tickets. At this point,
I would be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
But like when you're there, is at a fun event
to watch, I mean, it's going to be as shitty
it was awful the last time, right, so non competitive,
Like I get wanting to go to Ford Field because
you can get a cheaper ticket and take some family
members there and hang. But like, is it that fun
of a hang?

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
I would say it's going to be south of thirty thousand,
which is less than half.

Speaker 1 (01:45:34):
Yeah, thirty thousand, Okay, Mark Snyder, I haven't been around
much lately. What's with this new one question rule? We
don't I just have one? Like, if you have a question,
it's actually the Mark Snyder rule. Sorry, Mark, you hasn't
been around lately. It's actually unfortunately you put in too
many questions, so we had to start doing the one
question rule because of you. And now you're back. Yeah,

(01:45:55):
now you're back, so and then welcome back to your rule.

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
The way the formula works. I talked to Elon about this,
only you see the tweet with one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Question Crunchy as Gourmet. Is Jay Batt willing to do
a sit down interview with Graham? There has been no
communication between the Athletic Department and Spartan fans about the
pe deal, n CAA penalties and Jonathan Smith, et cetera. Yeah,
he is, he is up for it. I think it's something,
you know, probably a December thing.

Speaker 6 (01:46:22):
Just waiting for the hammer to fall on with coach. Yeah,
at one point we reached out. I was hoping to
do a piece on him earlier in the season, and
and I understood the timing from his perspective. What wasn't
was an idea, I'll do the interview, but no coaches,
no questions about it. They're open there. Yeah, right, and
so and this is before things got really really really
really like this. But it is a tricky interview to

(01:46:45):
do if you're an ad right now and you're trying
to say nothing on a coaching situation, and and you
don't want to do like like, if you want to
do a nice profile and a guy like that, you
know here, you've got like people will be like, well,
why aren't these questions ask you're going to you know, like,
it's a tricky situation. I think he is definitely one
to do it, but it's it's something you'll probably be
after the season.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Jeff Dylon next, it's December twenty nineteen. Again. Would MSU
rather keep D'Antonio for another six years with all that
would have come with it? Stability, too much loyalty, good defense,
bad offense, et cetera. Excuse me, or would they choose
the Tucker Smith path all over again. Jesus, I'm dying
over with wins versus Michigan, Kenneth Walker, embarrassment, sanctions, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (01:47:26):
They'd rather keep D'Antonio for six years and then, oh no,
I had fun during the Tucker thing, did you a
little bit?

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it felt good D'Antonio series. The loyalty
was getting old as much as you know, you want
to look back after what happened and go, oh, absolutely
keep D'Antonio. But man, it was fucking dire back then too.

Speaker 6 (01:47:46):
And if you imagine another six years of that and
the Nilier and how crusty he would have been with
that stuff, Oh my god. Yeah, no, probably better.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Yeah, don't let Jonathan Smith ruin this or Tucker's beating
off on a phone, Like, seriously, Tucker for a minute
was fun, Matty Bee. Does it say something that none
of Smith's players have publicly supported their coach? Usually players
are outspoken about playing for their coach.

Speaker 6 (01:48:08):
Well, I think they have to some degree, Like you
have conversations with them. They don't, but you know, nobody's
here foot pads out there and go and play. I
think that you're supporting the coach. Are you supposed to say? Yeah,
I don't think to answer your question, there are a
lot of things that think and there may be guys
who have sort of quit on this, but I don't
the way they played, as hard as they played, I

(01:48:30):
don't think that's necessarily the issue. And you know, some
have been asked directly sort of about all the noise
and the things outside. But I guess nobody's going on
Twitter and said, hey, this is the guy this is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
But what he's why? Why would you do that? As
your player, It's kind of your job to do some
shit like that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:47):
And frankly, you know, some of them may think, yeah,
this probably isn't going to end. Well, they're not dumb, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Well, Maddy Bee, am I wrong for being out on Holloman? Now?
Was fine with the transfer? But the behavior that's followed
is weird.

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
Yeah, I mean you, Yeah, I mean the guys. If
you're a Michigan State fan, he's sort of dissed your
school and your coach.

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
I blame will Wade though, yeah, more than I do Holloman.
Why is that It's just easier? Okay? It's like when
I blame you for my gambling losses. It's just you know,
it makes sense. I like feel better. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:49:20):
I like Trey Holloman and I always have had a
lot of great conversations with him. So what he says
about it, but she was not gonna make me not
feel like you somebody I enjoyed talking with.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
But if you're Will Wade, don't you talk to him like,
you know, going after Izzo like that. It's just kind
of Will isn't gonna do that. That's not Will don't
know Yeah, no, no, no, not about morals. Well, h
Maddie Bee, Why do I have to watch a Michigan
slappy on every pregame show? Howard Portnoy, Arbach Woodson.

Speaker 6 (01:49:46):
But enough does seem like there's a lot of them.
They have a big Why are you watching a pregame show,
Maddie b. They have a big fan, but a big
alumni base Portnoy one is the one that's gotten. You
can say what you want about Desmond and and you
know it can be an noying and he can be it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Doesn't say anything right, right right, And then you get
a guy like Portnoy that does say something. So I
don't mind Portnoy be for you know, yeah, he's this
insufferable Michigan fan, but I respect what he's done with
barstool where he's taking it. If you want to get
on the program and sit there and spout off stuff,
at least he's entertaining. Desmond Howard just sits there like
a penis and does picks Michigan and that's it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
So I find his pizza reviews entertaining. I do not
find him on Big Noon entertaining. I think it's I
think it'll be one and done because the problem with
Portnoy on Big Noon is in this sort of this
it's not McAfee, like I think they were hoping to
find their version of McAfee. McAfee doesn't shit on every
other fan base, and it's this constant Michigan, Michigan, Michigan.
McAfee was like, you know, everything was shitting on half
the fan base's or rivals.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
To having Trump on, it's uh, well yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:50:46):
Yeah, McAfee lost control of that interview, and it's hard
to control an interview with Trump. That's just the way
it is. I mean, he should have known him better
than that. But ultimately I just to me Portnoy on
Big noon is a one and done thing. I can't
imagine they bring him back, all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Right, Maddy B. Why is the Minnesota a D sticking
up for us more than our own a D? And president?
Is anyone in this administration awake? Does anyone in the
administration care about the common fan getting involved? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:51:13):
You know, the kindly fuck off would have been the
line that I would have, you know, used for after
the NCAA sanctions. But you know, also trying to be
the adults in the room. But yeah, no, they were
not happy about this, and it's it's fair to it's
you know, I yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
But don't like you're an adult in a room, you
get fed up with stuff at some point to where
you have to snap correct Spartholomew. Why has MSU leadership
become the chair facing the bed in the hotel room
ever since Hollis and Simon resigned? Is it just simply
pure and up leaders took their place or are they
afraid to ruffle feathers after what got those two to

(01:51:49):
resign happened?

Speaker 6 (01:51:50):
Well, those are two situations. I mean, you talk about
being the being, you know, the chair facing the bed
in the hotel room, like Hollis Alice cut chair, Hollis quit.
I mean, you walked away and at a really tough
time when they needed his voice. And so he was
the first guy to just sort of bail. And there
are lots of reasons for that, and his health was

(01:52:11):
one concern, and you whatever, I get that. You don't
want to you know, if you're concerned about that, But
like they needed him the next six months to answer
tough questions and any of you, he was going to
go to fall on a sword. And Simon Simon could
have handled I mean the Simon deal with the end
with the NASA survivors, if she had handled that differently
like I could have handled like any a lot of
people are decent communicators, could have handled right. It didn't

(01:52:33):
take me a great, groundbreaking pioneer president of the university
like she was to know better than out. So you
talk about an nept leadership at the very end with
those two, it wasn't great. And those two had to
resign because of how things win at the end. And
so I don't, I don't. I did not think Kevin
Gusker was as an APT. I don't. I do not

(01:52:53):
think Jay Batt is an APT. I know that sometimes
it feels like there's not enough sticking up for But
let's see where this goes a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
Dave Lincoln, next Graham, So you think it was okay
for Haller not to tell Smith about the NC double
A as long as Smith or his agents didn't ask.
My mother taught us that a half truth is a
whole lie. And from Alexis on the pod, please elaborate
on former ad Haller not disclosing the NC DOUBLEA violations
and pending investigation to coach Smith while he was being

(01:53:22):
courted to be hired. Is that normal procedure to not
disclose a self reported investigation or was that the that
super dishonest and sketchy. Furthermore, did this have anything to
do with Haller being abruptly fired in May?

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
I don't believe in anything to do with him being fired.
I don't believe these two things were. I mean, I
think the I think Kevin Guskowitz thought that there was
a disconnect between Haller and donors and sort of where
things were going to need to go, and that that
needed to be fixed and he needed somebody could raise
money and he didn't think Haller could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
That's crazy and Uh, but what And I need to
talk to Haller about this and working on that. But
the I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:54:09):
I want to know Haller's side of this. I want
to know what the conversations. I think there's a follow
up to with Smith that needs to be asked, because
it's not just that it did Smith not ask about it,
the agent not ask about it. There's stuff on the
contract that makes you believe it was brought up or
the other problem is, you know, you do have these
like level three level violations, which is what they were
that summer before they hired Smith, which a lot of

(01:54:31):
schools have all the time, and it's not really a
big deal. So maybe they didn't think anything was coming
out of this that said it should have been disclosed.
I'm not absolving Haller from any of this. I just
want to know the full story.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Dave Lincoln, are you the same guy who won't let
their neighbor put dog shit in your trash can by
the street, but then kidnaps their neighbors cats? That is me? Yeah, no, nobt.
It has Spot's original owner. Like last week when he
told the story that you guys you ran into each
other if the owner their dog poop in your trash can.
You probably wouldn't say anything. I would accept that because

(01:55:04):
that would feel like a fair trade.

Speaker 6 (01:55:06):
But it would be hilarious if you did scold them. Yeah,
I couldn't do that while spot was on your shoulder
or on our porch, just begging to get in here,
right in front of.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Oh god man, it's the best Sparti Party ninety four.
No matter who state hires and new administration positions, ad president,
et cetera, they all end up being spineless cowards. What
does the fucking deal with that? It really must be
just the program. Would be nice for once to have
a person that mirrors some of how we all feel.

Speaker 6 (01:55:36):
Yeah, you don't always want the emotional fan. Now that said,
I think what the NCAA did here deserved a little more.
Like that's some bullshit, you know, and and that I
think could have been said.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
You don't have to go full Matt c. You can
go quarter Matt se right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:53):
And in some way, in some ways if you're if
you're usually pretty reserved, that's some bullshit. Says a lot,
you know, I mean, like you don't even have to
go that far. It's like, you know, if you the
more curse words you use, and the more irrational you are,
the more irrational you have to be to get your
point across. If you're usually pretty measured, it's like it's
like the quiet leader that when they speak up, people listen,
you know, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
And you don't have to swear all the time like
I do, right right, But when you're kind of stern
and all of a sudden use a swear word out
of contest, You're like, WHOA, this person means business. I've
had enough, Matt C. Could you imagine where the MSU
Athletic Department would be without Izzo? It would be uh,
basically be similar to a post office DMV or any
other government run business. Plus that, man, it'll be different,

(01:56:36):
no doubt. Yeah, the American way, except the America has
gotten softon is lucky the Iszoeira happened? Matt C. What
sacrifices do we need to make to which gods to
get Izzo his second national championship in the next two years.
If they can shoot thirty five percent from three this year,
I think they can do it. This team has all
dogs and the defense and rebounding will travel.

Speaker 6 (01:57:00):
So Matt see if if I were to go into
the open the x app and I were to put
your handle in there with the term IO is washed,
would it not come up like what happened to?

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
WHOA? What is this? I'm just saying a little Have
you done some research?

Speaker 6 (01:57:18):
I'm just saying No, I'm just saying, is it was
he used to lead the ISHO has washed brigade? If
I recall correctly, I don't remember that. No, Okay, is
it true?

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
I don't know. I don't believe that people can change.

Speaker 6 (01:57:29):
And and and frankly, what they've done the last year
and a half is is earned some uh some you know,
they've changed, They've they've given you more. And there was
it was a period where there were some concern whether
there was another run in them. What's interesting about ISO
is that it sort of began with that post NCAA
tournament loss where he said I'm gonna get back to
a deeper run in this or die trying. And a
lot of times people just say ship and ship doesn't

(01:57:51):
actually happen or matter, and ISO said it, And since
then things have gone differently.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
A little bit. And so that's.

Speaker 6 (01:57:58):
That's that's a little little telling. Uh yeah, I don't
know who the sacrifice you need to make, but the
thirty five percent is a good line. If they that's
a pretty good run for a team. If I think
if they're low to mid thirties from three, with everything
else they got going, there'll be a good team. The
question I still have in a single elimination sport, in
a sport where you gotta win tough road games with
those days when things aren't going wrong, do they have

(01:58:19):
enough offense? And where do they get it from?

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Matt C do you realize Jonathan Smith is the only
coach in MSU history to lose to two interim coaches.
I'll say it again, he's the worst coach in MSU
history factually speaking. But isn't this a different era though,
where coaches are getting shit canned left and right? So
like losing to an interim coach now, is it?

Speaker 6 (01:58:40):
There are a lot more interim coaches. Yeah, and he
would And the reason to say not is he was
a proven coach somewhere else he may have.

Speaker 1 (01:58:46):
And that's the last I'm gonna defend Jonathan's.

Speaker 6 (01:58:48):
He may have done as poor a job at MSU
as as a lot of other coaches, but certainly in
terms of who he is as a coach. I would
you if you are starting a program tomorrow and you
had to hire the Jonathan Smith or Bobby Williams, who
would you hire?

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Bobby? There you go me, Bobby? There goes my point.
I love Yeah, all right, Hey, I thought about it.
Yeah you did, Munfield keg. Rico has kind of cryptically
mentioned Rico. Who's Rico? Rico has kind of cryptically mentioned
a major donation coming soon and it might be finalized
in the spring. I know these things. Who's telling Rico anything?

(01:59:22):
But I know these things are complicated. But wouldn't it
make sense to make this public before portal and recruiting season.
It seems like every program now is making a commitment
to an io. Yeah, it's Are people really telling Rico stuff? Well?
I know a guy that hosts the show with Lenny
and five days a week, you'd tell Rico anything.

Speaker 6 (01:59:43):
You hear stuff like this is coming, this is happening.
You know, all sorts of not just donations, but different
naming right stuff and all that sort of stuff. You
hear that stuff. But I haven't gotten anything sourced well
enough to say I think something's really really happening. Here
and so we'll we'll see it. That doesn't mean Rico's wrong.
Rico's plugged in. Something's brewing. I've got word that something's brewing.

(02:00:06):
Like all right, Scotty Green's alcamin Oh here's my question.
It's a fun game. It's called what's fatter this? Or
fat couch?

Speaker 1 (02:00:13):
Nice? What's fatter fat couch? Or Zion Williamson. I would
take Zion was a big deal because he was a
huge and I just broke my chair. I wasn't trying
to I'm sorry. I was trying to find it. Who's
what's fatter fat couch? Or a baby ELEPHANTT tw eighty four?
What's fatter fat couch? Or Brett Bilama? No, Bilama's got you.

(02:00:36):
It looks like Bilama ate you. What's fatter fat couch?
Or a refrigerator like one from the eighties. Yeah, it
depends on the size. I mean they make him really
sleek now, so probably couch man. Yeah, Bilama vers couch
fart soup. Scott Boris and Eric Scouble can chortle. My
ball's hand in hand. The amount of money they're holding

(02:00:59):
out for, are you kidding me? The majority of the
world would drop to their knees and unhinge their jaws
for a fraction. Jesus of what these guys make just
to play a child's game. Schooble made just north of
ten million dollars last year, and to act like he's
all naive about these negotiations is total horseshit. It's his agent,
he hired him. Boris works for schoobl If Schooble really

(02:01:22):
wanted to strike a deal before he becomes a free agent,
he would.

Speaker 6 (02:01:26):
I mean, I don't disagree with this in that sense
that it is your life, it's your career. Quit acting
like it's not.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
And and especially when your agent comes out and he's
talking in these riddles, it's like what, Yeah, I'd call
him and be like, what are you doing, dude, you're
not doing You're not doing me any favors, asshole.

Speaker 6 (02:01:44):
Yeah, you own Boris, not the other way around. And
you should remember that. I mean, he's an agent, that's
all he is. Like an agent is like, well, he's
a good agent.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
I mean he owns pretty much all of Major League Baseball,
so you definitely would want him in your corner. He's
just acting like a complete asshole.

Speaker 6 (02:02:00):
He's not good yeah, Yeah, it's it's frustrating and it's
annoying and the world will be better off with that,
Scott for us. And I don't mean that in a
way like you should die. I just mean that in
a way I wish you'd give up the business.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
Mike, Scott, No, Harry, no, Scott doc. Telling us how
great Iowa is feels like an MSU football effort. This
and last week. There's better be a spot up.

Speaker 6 (02:02:22):
Well, we didn't do a Yeah, we didn't have a
middle of the week show because I was traveling, so
that was when we usually have Harry on and uh
and to get to most of the questions. It's hard
to do that in there. We you know, we could
have done Harry late in the week here and Scott Doc.
I did think about this, like that's how bad things
have gotten. I'm not even going to Iowa for the game,
let alone having Scott to talk about. We would have
to talk about more big ten issues, and we may

(02:02:43):
do that with Scott Doctrman at some point separately, because
I think he's really good at talking about things like,
you know, the the private equity stuff and we're the
big tens headed and all that. Though Those are good conversations.
How much people cared about the ins and outs of
Iowa Michigan State though I felt was And.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
He's good at going after Twitter trolls. Is, he's very good,
like Doc, just let these go sometimes, you know, Detroit Spartan.
What will we find in the Epstein files? A bunch
of redacted stuff?

Speaker 6 (02:03:10):
I'm guessing hopefully hopefully something like actually redacted, Hopefully something
that saves college football?

Speaker 1 (02:03:17):
Mojo jojo? Where's Hans? Is he hibernating? Oh no, he's back,
He's back. Where do you go? Oh? Thereous odds? Should
the Wisconsin and Michigan State football teams be punished by
having to play each other in Gary, Indiana? I don't
I like that little baseball stadium off the highway in Gary.
I don't mind that. Sure. No, have you ever stopped

(02:03:38):
there to take pictures? Have not? Have you ever stopped
in Gary, Indiana? Yes?

Speaker 6 (02:03:41):
I was on a prison bus and it stopped in Gary, Indiana.
You remember I told you this right right once? So
I was on a I was on a bus. I
wasn't supposed to be on the Amtrak train to Chicago.
And it's one of those things where that girl really
was underage. There's something that something broke down on the
on the train or something was happening, and so they
had us. They had a bus. It was either from
Battle Creek or from Lance. I can't remember where the

(02:04:01):
bus started.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:04:03):
I think the train might have gotten a Battle Creek. Anyway,
I get on this bus and I'm sitting there and
I see this guy in front of me, way up
in the front and everybody, you know, and I'm like, man,
that looks like Darnell Benson, who I went to elementary
school with. And then my next thought was and I ran.
At this point, I hadn't seen him in you know,
Darnel twenty years. And I said to myself, how is

(02:04:24):
he not in prison? Oh my god, that was my
first thought. Second thought, wow, yeah, And then it turned
out the way you're so race? Then no, that just
did nothing to do with race. And then and then
it turned out it was a bus transporting prisoners and
some attract people. They were all in the same orange
jumpsuits and and the only part of that trip that
was a little harry cause and I was hoping Darnell

(02:04:46):
wouldn't reognize me at first, but then he saw me
and apparently I looked the same as I did when
I was six, and so we came. We chatted for
a while. It was great, and Darnell was great. Grammy,
you two hundred and eighty four pounds. And now I
hope to see Darnell again, and I hope his life
has gone well. I haven't even looked it up. But anyway,
that but we did stop for an enortan amount of

(02:05:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:05:20):
Oh Man, Hans Jergen, I say, Jordan Scott can become
the greatest defender in MSU history. Can you pass along
my encouragement to him? Does he ever ask about me?
He does, he's a listener and he's like, ah, Hans,
is really my guy? Hans? Is Jesse McCullough really six eleven?
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:05:36):
It's a good question. Sometimes the heights get lied about.
He's just all mad or he can shoot apparently, Yeah,
he's probably not six eleven, but he's not one of
those guys you look at immediately. There are some guys
who are listed some height and immediately go, that guy's
not that height, Like Jase Richardson was like looking me
eye to die and he was not six' four. Whatever
they listened to, that you, know like that was not.
True But jesse's not one of those. GUYS i look

(02:06:00):
at it and, go that guys.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
Short, hans what is the chance that the THE msu
basketball team ever shoots like that? Again you know it'll
happen a few more. Times the question is how consistent
can they? Be you know they Played detroit, next so
that could. Happen, Hans is it? True infinity has curated
a special snuff channel for? You i've.

Speaker 6 (02:06:18):
Asked we're working on it. Now this is what we
used to do when we were. Kids we were always
looking for that snuff. Channel you were what you were looking?

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
For snuff? Porn do you know what snuff porn?

Speaker 5 (02:06:29):
Is?

Speaker 1 (02:06:30):
UDE i can't look it up. Either you. Can i'm
not looking it?

Speaker 5 (02:06:33):
Up what?

Speaker 1 (02:06:33):
Is what is? It just look up the? Things i'm
not doing it don't look at image. Images i'm not.
LOOKING i do it on his. Phone i'm getting rid
of this. Phone hold on hot porn. Phone you know
it looks so. Good how sheltered were? YOU i don't. Know,

(02:07:00):
oh this is Why i'm gett rid of. This usually
at the end where in the porno where someone gets,
murdered hold, on someone is murdered by. IT i just
told you it's, porn where like someone's murdered in.

Speaker 6 (02:07:09):
It Oh, Jesus so this is the worst. Part this
is why we can't keep doing. This So i'm looking this. Up,
IMMEDIATELY i get a text from my wife all. Caps
oh my.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
GOD i opened the live stream for ten seconds to
see if you were done, yet you're gonna come pick me?
Up and then did not know what stuff? Means stop
talking about, that come get him in twenty five. Minutes,
yeah it should be. Done. Thanks. Thanks are you really
that sheltered? DUDE i GUESS i. Didn't i'm not Saying

(02:07:44):
i've never watched. ONE i didn't know what one. WAS i, mean,
like no one. Was Jake. Hoggins do you think camp
word will be a one and done player this season
FOR msu or can you see him coming back for
his sophomore, season penning he doesn't get tempted to transfer.

Speaker 6 (02:07:58):
ELSEWHERE i don't think like his skill set doesn't lend
itself to Be like if he was a guy who
could shoot already with everything else he, does you'd, say, okay,
maybe but you know he's a six to seven kind
of tweener.

Speaker 1 (02:08:11):
Wing you know who's six to seven.

Speaker 6 (02:08:13):
Dog, YEAH i, mean he's a great college Basketball for
him to be a, pro, like he's gonna have to,
shoot and he probably has that in, Him BUT i
do not see him as a one and done Type.

Speaker 1 (02:08:22):
Jake, so just how good is THIS mscu women's basketball?
Team ninety plus points in the five and zero start
and forced twenty seven turnovers in the recent. Win very.

Speaker 6 (02:08:31):
Impressive, yeah it's hard to tell because they don't play anybody.
Yet they have some games coming up neutral site road
games end Of november here Early december that will tell us.
More they're just their home non conference schedule isn't very,
good and they've been dominant and the way they play overwhelms,
teams AND i think they're gonna be pretty, good but
we need to see it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:51):
Again but it's good to be dominant against those teams,
though right better than not Being, Yep, Absolutely, Jake i've
heard from three different people And i'll keep nameless names,
nameless that they think that there's a Chance Jonathan smith
comes back for another year next. Season not asking you
to confirm or deny, anything but what are your thoughts
on their takes and the whole.

Speaker 6 (02:09:10):
SITUATION i think people are guessing at this, point and
BECAUSE i don't think people know What Jay bat's going to,
do and that's you, know AND i, THINK i, mean
maybe there are some well sourced people out. There my
sense And, mike and this is my educated, guess but
not perfectly. Educated that doesn't make any, sense you. Know

(02:09:33):
WHAT i mean is that he's not going to be,
back BECAUSE i just don't see how you can make that.
Argument and if you put yourself in j bats, shoes
how do you make that? Argument, essentially if you bring him,
back you that is essentially your first high you're, Hiring
you're making that, decision and then that one's on you
a little.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
BIT i gotta, say then you better have a hell
of a press conference when you come in to announce.
That that's All i'm, Saying. Jake Although i've suggested it
and it probably won't. Happen is there any particular reason
Why patton Our dowsey wasn't high hired as MSU's head
coach back in twenty twenty and twenty?

Speaker 6 (02:10:03):
Three people would have been pissed off because he. WASN'T
i remember When jill rexhro had brought up the idea
and you, know killed him on this. Show like you,
know he was not a hot. Name he was not
a name people wanted and thought was successful. Enough he was,
interested but it was not a name that people thought
had done enough at pitt to warrant who ms you
thought they were and could.

Speaker 1 (02:10:21):
Get next one from The? Hawk do you think The
pistons will make The Eastern Conference? FINALS i think they
got a. SHOT i. Do, yeah, YEAH i do, too Uh,
hawk unless they trade For Anthony Davis Jake. Hawkins do
you and your family usually go To Silver bells in the?

Speaker 6 (02:10:36):
City used to in the old days WHEN i was, like,
YEAH i used to play in the handbelt Choir Saint
Paul's Piscal church and we'd play out. Here but THE, i, uh,
TONIGHT i got A last, year there was A Michigan
state football game on This friday, night poorly coordinated in.
This there's A Michigan sate basketball game, Today SO i
will not.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Be jerk guy. Next So natty this, year does IS
o retire or go back to? Back he's not.

Speaker 6 (02:10:59):
Retired, Now he's he's got too much good stuff coming.
In he'sa's feeling too. Good like what was ridiculous to?

Speaker 1 (02:11:05):
Retire, Yeah loupe would not let, him jerk. Guy IS
msg really the mecca of basketball or just another over hyped?
VENUE i gotta get there one.

Speaker 6 (02:11:16):
Day it's there are parts of it that are a little,
overhyped but it is cool to watch a game. There
and it's the way it's dark on the in the
stands and light on the. Court it feels, big like
it feels like a, stage you know WHAT i? Mean
like it IT'S i think IT'S i think it's pretty.
COOL i don't know if players love, It, Like, YEAH
i don't think it's. OVERHYPED i think it's pretty damn.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
Cool jerk. Guy Jonathan smith is going to be Coaching
Oregon state next, year isn't? He that would be the
ideal situation For Michigan. State there's no Question i'm jerk
guy have you ever been so high you thought you were?
Invisible this is a question for, you. SIR i gotta say,
NO i Got i'm being. Honest, NO i wish, FUCK

(02:11:56):
i gotta put that in my brain.

Speaker 6 (02:11:58):
Superpower, yeah WHAT i would? YOU i, mean if somebody
sold that, is, uh, like this is what will happen to?
You you would buy, it though you will think you're. Invisible,
yeah that would be a hell of a sales. Pitch
you'd have To you can get away with it for
at least like six months on your. Product if you said,
yes you will become invisible before people found, Out so
you can sell a bunch of.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Weed all. Right, finally Jerk guy's steak or waffle fries
or In graham's, case both.

Speaker 6 (02:12:23):
Both is the answer that last. Part, yeah we appreciate
all of. You that was a really good. Show we
got to a lot of. STUFF i don't remember. It you, remember, like,
yeah rough to say that like it felt?

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
Good?

Speaker 6 (02:12:37):
Yeah, YEAH i didn't say anything that's gonna GET i,
mean my wife's gonna have a discussion with.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
Me car right. Home but, otherwise we appreciate all of.
You as.

Speaker 6 (02:12:46):
Always we'll be back On sunday. Night that's the, plan
uh For and so we'll get takes out. There we'll
figure out how to do. That look for it on
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