Ep. 1095: Twitter Question Friday: 401 million answers on MSU football and basketball

We answered your questions on Michigan State football, basketball and athletics — on the $401 billion donation from Greg and Dawn Williams, on why MSU basketball is winning as it is and how it'll fare against Duke, on Pat Fitzgerald and MSU football's roster and staff, on the Lions, what we would do with $401 million and more.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Oh oh, oh wow, a bad blow.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Do no, do.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
What do you get when you cross a know it
all newspaper columnist with an awkward, unsophisticated every man. Yeah, well,
I'm just not sure about that right now.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
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(03:20):
still lying, babe. The season's about God. We're still on, baby,
Let's go on. The Season's still on.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
It's the American way, except America has gotten soft.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Let's go green, Go God.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Let's go green, Go God. What's up, dude, what's going on? Man?
I am good. It's been an windfall of cash happening. Yeah,
Lions win last night. Shout out Greg Williams and Don Williams.
By the way, do they want to sponsor the show
and just throw us one hundred K? We're a lot cheaper.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
So Greg Williams set a line that I think he's
gonna learn to regret. He said in explaining why not
that one? He said in explaining why that he and
Don Williams are giving four hundred and one million dollars
MSU athletics. They did not attend MSU, but it MSU athletics,

(04:13):
I should say, like most of it is MSU athletics.
There's a little MSU. The reasons for it is it
was such a big, you know, big part of the
community in what they enjoyed growing or raising their family
and the memories they've had, and they thought this was
an important thing to give to. And then he said

(04:33):
something to the lines of effect, if you're not part
of the solution, eventually you're part of the problem and
the idea being that this is something that was needed
to really advance MSU athletics, make it cutting edge and
all that stuff. The same could be said for like
the lancing promise, Like right, I mean, so every kid
who's struggling is not Greg Williams problem. He is not.

(04:55):
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of
the problem. Every every kid who struggles and lances. Oh yeah,
just trying to.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Get a hundred k for the show. I'm sorry, you're
going to Lancey promise. It's never gonna happen. But yeah
he did. He went to lang He grew up in Langsburg.
I think he went to Lancey Calolic, Right, yeah, I
don't think. I don't think we're getting it for lanting schools.
Shout out to Greg and Don for keeping Lanesburg like
a part. Like they they don't look like people that
have billions of dollars or whatever. Right, they just keep
it real, Like, Don's not all done up like one

(05:25):
of these weird billionaires, you know, billionaire wives and stuff,
all the fake plastic and makeup on.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Shout out to them. They come across as regular people
to go, Yeah, no, it's.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
In Langsburg last night in our Christmas tree must have
been a miracle, right, it's and Mili, it's.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
A heck of a gift. And the story about how
they met Izzo and how this all began is great.
The fact that Izzo was driving home one.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Day, so it forgets to introduce them at the press
crying with each other, and you look at the Dan
Gilbert presser how many years ago. It's you can just
tell it was like real nice.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yeah. No, Well, the fact that he was driving home
and he sees Don Williams out with this giant riding
mower like taking down overgrown grass what used to be
Walnut Hills Country Club where they have their house now,
and just wants to know what's going on. So he
goes over there, winds up cutting the grass with Don Williams.
That's how he meets her, later meets Greg, they become friends,

(06:22):
and that leads to an initial donation. And then this
obviously years later, a few years later, and it's not
like it's some long standing thing. This is like a
five year old probably back to COVID Day's relationship, and
certainly from Michigan State. It is a I think J
Batt described it as like rocket fuel for the athletic department.

(06:43):
It gives him a chance to do a lot of things.
It gives them a chance to be on the cutting
edge it. You know, we talk about the world of
haves and have not. This is how your have right
when you have this ability to tap into this sort
of resources and chase dreams and have visions and all
those sort of things. So for Michigan State, it's a
big deal. We'll get in some of it here in
the oh, I'm sure the groovy donut Twitter questions, and.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
When you see people talking about it nationally too, as
I was this morning, it's kind of that's the more
impressive thing to me when people nationally start going Michigan
State's in on this stuff.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Now. Yeah, it's massive because I mean you look at
just relative to other donations. I don't know if there's
been a bigger one. I know, like what you know
the Strikers gave Western Michigan was five hundred million total
and like fifty million athletics. So there have been similar
bin bigger overall to university certainly out there, but not

(07:37):
to an athletic department. Primarily between like three hundred and
ninety million, from what I understand, is going to either
the Spartan Ventures or Spartan MSU Athletics, which is not
one and the same anymore, but essentially one and the same.
Most of this is going to MSG Sports. And when
you think about a school that is trying to upgrade facilities,

(07:58):
be on the front end of a fording players and
playing in a different sandbox with football and just everything
that they've they liked to be able to do over there,
buy out a coach maybe this this certainly.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Did they mention did is like how do you come
up with the number four hundred and one million? Though,
you know, like incredible, it's an incredible number, And I
don't know who passed it across the table to the
Williams family, right like yeah, and we're brought up or
they talked about I don't know. That shit fascinates me
that that world. It's like it does speak.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
To you know why leadership matters? Like it sounds like
the friendship is created by Izoh. There was an initial
ten million dollar donation that wasn't even ISO's idea, and
they had talked about they were going to start giving
MSU at some point and one thing that Greg Williams
talked about during the presser that I thought was really
interesting is that and he was open about the fact

(08:53):
that he and his daughter had some hard times where
they were really butting heads I think when she was
a teenager and they weren't connected. And the only place
that where a lot of that stress and tension washed
away was when they would go to MSGY sports together,
a lot of women's basketball games, and just how much
that meant to their family and different things growing. He
talked about going to games when he was in seventh
grade and like Terry Furlough I think was playing at

(09:14):
Michigan State and like you know, and all the this
meant something to them.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
You know, tell the people at home who Terry Furlough is.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
Man, You need to look at who he is, Top
fifty list, great MSGU basketball player, would have been a
good NBA player. Was killed in a car accident like
nineteen eighty or something like that with the Atlanta Hawks.
But yeah, sorry, I mean bring ye down. But yeah, no,
it's a it's a massive deal and it changes some things.
And when you think about the idea that they were

(09:43):
trying to get to a billion dollars and they were
two hundred and fifty million the other day. That's what
they said they were. And now if you take three
ninety you're like six hundred and forty million. Sorry, I
didn't say two undred fillion, two hundred fifty millions. So
six hundred and forty million on the way to one billion.
That all of a sudden, it seems more doable, right,
I mean, it seems it all sounds ridiculous. A lot

(10:04):
of money. It's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
We're trying to get a billion dollars like, oh okay, And.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I get like there are some people's responses like this,
you know, what are we doing with college athletics and
needs this kind of money when there are all sorts
of problems in the world. But people can do what
they want with their money. And it's not what I
would do with my money if I had their money.
And as much as MSU is meant to the community
that I love and I grew up going to MSU sports,
they would not get my foreigner there. I would have
other priorities. But everybody has their.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Own and they don't want their name on the stadium
or it's not gonna be the Gregan Don Williams or
coach Pat Fitzgerald or.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Akrosher, which is a little surprising to me, I you know,
and who knows if that could be something separate that's done.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But this way, acrassure's on other buildings. So is there
a deal that they have with them or you can't
have it on the.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
What Greg Williams said is he wanted that opportunity to
still be there separately for MSU athletics as they try
to raise money, and they didn't want to take that up.
I'm sure they could have had it if they wanted
to for this price obviously, and there are some legacy
things they've talked about doing. But I do think you'll
see Spartan Stadium named something else within the year, as
you should. At this point, it can still call it

(11:11):
something something Spartan Stadium, you know what I mean? Like
at this point you have to tap into that revenue.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
He oh, stadium. There you go, That's that's what Jimmy.
Let's step it up, man, Come on, heyos all.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Right, so before we dig into these groovy done it
Twitter questions, I think it's be a good show today.
Let's let's as we do every end of week show
begin what We're Betting? Presented by fire Keepers I Casino
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Speaker 3 (11:35):
I did end up putting after a Wednesday's show, a
three leg parlay. We don't recommend those, they're not great parlays,
but I well, I mean, like, come on, I I've
been taking college football off the past couple of weeks
and I wanted a little bit here. So this this
three leg parlays plus three eighty five. And I did
some spread alternates on this as well, which means if
you do a spread alternate, it adds a little bit

(11:56):
juice of juice to each leg of the bet. So
I took Indiana plus five and a hook against Ohio
State in Indianapolis. That's minus one thirty four of that leg.
So Indiana plus five and a hook, Alabama plus three
and a half against Georgia. I'm not super excited about this,
but I liked taking that alternate line up, pushing it
up a little bit. It is a little heavy juice
at minus one fifty, but plus three and a half

(12:18):
Alabama and BYU, I'm really scared of this Texas Tech
team because that's where the money originates from.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
That's what you want to be.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
You want to be the Texas Tech comes out of nowhere,
right if you're Michigan State. After all this windfall of cash,
But give me, BYU, the Fighting Mormons, the Magic Underwear
Boys plus fourteen and a hook. A little alternate line,
I said, minus one fifty that leg. So all three
legs together plus three eighty five Indiana five and a hook,
Alabama plus three and a half, and BYU, I'm taking

(12:46):
the points, all three of these plus fourteen and a half.
I know it's not exciting, but you know it's no.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
But it's it's it's smart. I wouldn't say, you know,
it's not it's smart. I think it's a.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Little scared money. But you know I'm trying to you know.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, No, that's the way I am at this weekend.
I am. I am a little heavy on the teasers.
And I'll give you this. This is this is probably
not gonna win, but it's what I'm doing and so
I'm gonna give it to people be against it, I guess. Yeah.
So it is a four team seven point teaser. Now
you could break these up. That might be the recommended
way to do it. But it's Indiana plus eleven against

(13:23):
Ohio State, the Bengals plus thirteen at Buffalo Seahawks Falcons
under fifty one and a half and the Texans Chiefs
under forty nine and that is place two to one.
So you put one hundred bucks on that pace two
hundred put ten bucks a pay twenty.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Is that game in Atlanta? The Seattle game? Seattle games
in Atlanta? Yeah, I just don't think Atlanta is gonna
be able to score that much. And fifty one, if
you can bring it up, there is going to be
I think it's gonna be a game played in the
thirties or forties. So that's that's where I'm at on that.
And again I usually I over bet unders and lose
most of the time. So I'm just putting that out
there for people. Be a little here for it, be
a little careful, but that is what we're betting this week,

(14:00):
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groovy don'ts?

Speaker 4 (14:05):
For questions?

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Do it man? Tony browskas he shook Eric schaltzep first
MSU had a great year last season, but in their
two games versus top ten opponents, they were an obvious
step behind.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
Is it crazy to think.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
That if they played duke fairly even that it'd be
among the most promising performances in years, even if they lose.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, I think it's depending what it looks like. But
it's possible. This isn't you know. I don't think obviously
in college basketball, there are very few must win games,
and there are almost none in November and December unless
you're like a mid major who's trying to build a
resume and this is your one shot against somebody or
something team. But and so especially when you're you're eight,
no or I mean, you're not going to run into

(14:50):
into a must win. But I think how MSU looks,
and you know, I think you make a good point
on the idea that against top ten opponents, against teams
that were uber athletic, they were a little bit behind.
Last year. They didn't have the matchup for that. And
I think one of the things that has impressed me
most about this MSU team, even if they've caught Kentucky

(15:11):
at the right time or Arkansas Young at the right
time and North Carolina, I think that was probably their
more impressive win of all of them. But you're playing
teams that have athleticism that has bothered some other MSU teams,
and it hasn't bothered them at all. They've been all
the bully and I want to see it against Duke again.
But you're showing that you can match up at a

(15:31):
level that you need to match up to win games
in the Elite eight and Final four. And again they
will they be able to shoot well enough? Will they
have enough offense? Everywhere so far they have well? That
stuff all we'll have to see. But I do think
if they win this game, or if it is a
close game and it looks like they can beat Duke
on a given day and they're not overwhelmed athletically or anything,

(15:54):
that will be a very promising Have.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
You seen a number for that. I saw minus one
and a half MSU ye issues minus one and a half. Yeah,
you know at this point too. And I picked against
Semishu and a couple of things early. I picked them
as you to win just because everything I see they
impress me, and I've doubted them a little bit just
based on history and other things like that. But you're
telling me at home with this team, the way they

(16:17):
come out. I mean, the thing that this team has
done incredibly well, even if they haven't started great offensively
at all times, is they defended and rebounded from the
jump so they don't fall behind. And I don't know,
I'm not going to pick against MSU right now at home,
certainly until somebody shows me a crack and a reason
to eric. We've now seen a coach hired with donor

(16:39):
inputs without leaks. Couch repeatedly made excuses for Haller hiring
Smith without donor input by saying it was to avoid
it leaking. Can we be done with that excuse now?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
No, here's the difference. Jonathan Smith was coaching another team,
and the fear was if that got out at all,
and I'm not that it, the whole thing would blow
up and you would have to sort of say he
wasn't interested. And that was the fear. That was Haller's fear.
And I'm also look, I think Jay Batt is an impressive,
impressive athletic director and has shown to be in certain

(17:11):
areas more impressive than Alan Haller. And so he got
this done. I think he does it with the fear
of God and people like, I don't know, I just
feel like I feel like donors are probably afraid of him.
I don't know, I don't Maybe I'm bad, I don't know.
If I'm totally misreading, I'm sure they're not. But he
just comes across as a as a business dude that,
you know, don't screw this up for us sort of guy,

(17:33):
whereas Haller didn't have that. And so there's no question
that the Guskowitz back pairing, compared to the previous ad
in the administration is a comes across as a just
more alpha, you know, pairing and a really good for
this time. Look, Alan Halle did a lot of good

(17:53):
things that I think MSU is gonna benefit for a
long time, and some in terms of some of the
coaching hires he made, some of the things he made
a priority, the things he cared about. But he did
not get football right, and there's no question about that.
But I think a lot of people still thought that
Jonathan Smith higher was a good higher at the time.
I still did and still do from the time now.
It obviously didn't work, and so in retrospect, right, probably

(18:16):
should have done it differently, probably should have worked on
different relationships. I'm not sure why all of them weren't there.
Some of them is because it wasn't his strength, and
maybe MSU should have hired him, and you can you
can say that, but you know, I think he was.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
So if Haller's next to Jay Batt when they announced Haller,
like to say they're next to each other, that doesn't
count right for the ovation, because we're gonna be ova
like the ovation is going to be for Jay Batt.
Let's just say, like, you know, Bat's a nice two
dollars back and show a camera, like you know, camera
catches the two of them. That doesn't count. I don't
want to just say it's got to be a camera
on Haller. Haller will get an applause ten years from

(18:51):
he will ten ten. So okay, let me give you something.
MSU women's basketball between now and then wins two national championships.
Yeah that's all Jbat. No one's gonna remember it was Haller.
You will, you'll remind people and we'll get sick of it.
But I think a lot of people will just forget about.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Haller though MSU hockey wins two national championships.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Hell yeah, Jabatt? Yeah, how about that billion dollars. Baby,
let's talk about Don Williams. All right, right, Eric Schaltz.
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Speaker 4 (19:36):
Well.

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Speaker 4 (19:47):
Well done, Eric, Well done, My.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Friend Dominic Graham, I don't get a lot of the
negativity towards the fits higher. Maybe I'm just a sucker,
but I'm pretty damn stoked with a caveat that he
brings in a real offensive mind. You have kept enough
under wraps, coach, Will you give me one offensive coordinator name?
That's a legit possibility.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Yeah. I don't know where he is on this and
and part of the reason why is, you know, you
can look at his history. But what I don't have
a feeling for one. I don't know him well enough.
It's not like I, you know, can text him and
say who is it going to be? It's dog. But
also what's interesting about him is this sort of two
years sabbatical and who he got to know, what programs
he went to, and then what coaches he got to

(20:28):
know through these programs or what relationships were built where
he you know, we've got a young coach here that
I don't know where he's going to go, but that
I am like like a column, but like you, I'm
very interested because I think the offensive coordinator higher for
him is in terms of the on field you know,
product and not I'm not saying recruiting and you know,
the other areas and culture and all that, but the

(20:49):
on field product for a guy who's had offenses that
have you know, he had some good offenses, he's had
some bad ones. I just think that's an area where
I don't trust what he's going to bring as much
as I do in other areas, and so I'm very
curious about it.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Dominic, is there a possibility fits in company might try
to gauge a return for Nick Marsh. I don't blame
the kid, I'd bolt too, just curious if MSU was
done courting.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
I am sure they will make a play for him.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
If they get Marsh to come back, I'll start believing.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well. It helps when Courtney Hawkins, I think, is kept
on as his receivers coach, and I, you know, we
don't know. I haven't seen that for sure, but I
think that is likely to happen. I would be surprised
if it doesn't. But I also think Nick Marsh is
not coming just wide receivers coach, no promotion. I don't,
I don't know. I think he'll be kept on. What

(21:40):
I don't. I also think Nick Marsh is leaving. And
it's not that I don't. It's not that they can't
convince him to come back. It's not that there's not
a sales pitch. It's not that he might not like it,
or I just think if I were Nick Marsh and
I had one year left to become an NFL receiver
before I was draft eligible, and even if I thought
Courtney Hawkins was great to have as somebody in the laboratory,

(22:04):
and and you know, you believed in a lessio or whatever,
I would want to go someplace else for a year
and try to find look. I would be careful where
I went. I'd want to know they were going to
have a quarterback. I'd want to know who the receiver's
coach was. I'd want to make sure it was a
place that you could shine. Because I think he still
has some development to do. And so that's another thing
that that that's something to keep in mind. And I'm

(22:24):
not saying he's gone. I don't have that information, but
I would make a if you're if you're a MSU, though,
you one hundred percent make a play for him. You
try to convince him to come back. But I also
you know, if you read read that he wants something else,
I wouldn't I wouldn't fight too hard on it.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Next one from Dominic, if I paid Graham twenty dollars
for the next spart and speak the first time, Salary
cuts him off and starts loud talking. Woul Graham say
excuse me, Chris, then get awkwardly silent for ten seconds
before saying, as I was saying before I was interrupted,
what'd he do it?

Speaker 4 (23:00):
No, there's nothing Gram Graham, Graham, Gram gram things Gram
Gram Graham, Graham, gram Gram. I don't even notice the
interruptions anymore. It just it's just part of our speak
back and forth. It is it is, I will. It
is different than this show. Like one of the things
I like about this show is we have a a

(23:21):
banter that is we go back and forth. Sure, Clari
and I have like bricks of time where we go
for like five minutes and then the other goes for
five minutes. It's very I don't know how you guys
do that.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like when I even get out a heater and I
talked for forty five seconds, I'm like, man, I feel
like I've been talking way too long. Like let's get
couch bag involved here. You guys go on for five
minute soliloquies. It's like, holy shit, it is funny. I
listened to the Spartan speak though.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
When I when I cut you off occasionally, and I
do once in a while accidentally hold on, hold on.
Sometimes I feel like I've or I missed time and
jump in like usually I have your verbal pauses down
sometimes on like a hot take Monday, when you're going
on the Lions and then you have a new thought
in the middle. Oh yeah, you pause and go and
I accidentally jump in a little bit and whatever. Like
I always think of Spartan speak. When that happens, I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
No, no, it's mostly okay because my when I go
on a jag, it's all brains are just it's everything's
firing at once. So it's okay if you know, I
don't mind it. It's not a big deal for me.
Matt Drolatt, I couldn't wait for Monday for a hot take.
Tom Izzo is quite possibly the most important figure in
the history of Michigan State University.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, it was interesting today because Friday J. Batt said
along the lines that this was the four hundred million
from Greg and Don Williams. One was the most important,
maybe the I don't know, mostly important moment in the
school history. Jay batsmen there six months like Jay, hold

(24:49):
your horses, Jay, like to me, the hiring of Tom Izzo.
Trump's this still the thirty years you've gotten of Tom Mizzo.
This may revolutionize things, and it may thirty years from
now be the thing that's set in motion a lot
of stuff that's really good to make. To me, though,
hold your horses, Tom Mizzo still still is the most

(25:10):
important thing that's happened to Michigan State, at least Michigan State.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
But he's the reason. That's why there's I mean, he's
the reason why though. Yes, well that's led to that
because he saw, don you know, at dinner lawn and
all of a sudden that's a four hundred million dollars switch, right.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Excuse me? Four oh one? Yeah? No, And it just
it's led to every every the four.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
O one because there was some four hundred number you
just wanted to be the one, like throw it over
the top.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
It's a great question. It must it must have some
some sort of.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
That's why I need to go to these I just asked,
you know, the question like that. That would be a
great question. I would actually I wish I thought you
should text me. I would Jason Nick from Couching the Rube, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Yeah, that would. I would ask that for you. Why
why four oh one? Why not four? I mean, I
know in a million's a lot, but what was there
something specific about the one that you wanted? Why not
four oh two? Were you getting cheap? I don't know
what's going on.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, Tim Rhades, how much do you think coach Fitz's
sabbatical will help him at MSU? And will this help
outweigh the loss of bringing current team players with him.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
So I think it'll help a lot. I would be
less intrigued by him significantly if he had just come
from Northwestern a couple of years ago. Now, if he
had had a couple of really great years at Northwestern
then somehow decided to leave or whatever, that would have
been a little different. But the way they had played
the last couple of years he was there, I think
it helps that a lot of his guys are on

(26:27):
the team where the program sort of found itself again,
even you know, some of the guys are on his
staff and a new staff. But I think the sabbatical
is important because, you know, I think it matters in
this day and age that he's talking about the things
he's had to learn, the things he's looked at, sort
of to have time to sit back and shape how
he wants to do this. A lot of these coaches

(26:50):
who coached in a previous era and are still coaching
from that have been doing this on the fly, and
there have been missteps and there have been ways to
do it. I mean, just think about tom Izzo. I
am pretty sure there are decisions time Azo has made.
You know, with players, you know, twenty twenty two, twenty
twenty three, roster construction, things that he would do a
little bit differently or think of a little bit differently

(27:10):
in hindsight. And football is a much bigger apparatus. It's
a much harder thing to get together, to get right. Obviously,
the rev shares just come into play. And so how
you do that? I think the ability to step away.
And then you add the fact that they should have
money now to at least compete in that element and

(27:31):
not you know, have the REV share. Well, yeah, you
have to do this. Still, we have money now to
play through the through the you know, legitimate nil. But
that's all bullshit. You can create that because none of
these guys, you know, I shouldn't say some of these
guys are worth worth what they're especially Yeah, we'll fix
that in.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Post question though, Pat Fitzgerald, Let's say he had a
personality like Jonathan Smith.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Does he get this job? No? No, because you need
to you know, this happens in sports all the time too.
You get these things are a reaction to the previous coach.
You get a player's coach, and you get a disciplinarian,
you get whatever with Jonathan Smith, what was needed. It
was a counter to what he had was Midwest Big
ten coach, passion, energy, fire right that that had to

(28:15):
be this next coach for Michigan State. They needed they
That's why.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
It's intriguing to see what he does, what Smith does next, right,
because I can't imagine if you're looking, if you're a school,
I guess if you need a guy, you need a
head coach. But you see what happened at Michigan State.
You need a guy with a personality in today's college football.
That's why I don't know if if Smith got a
raw deal or not, because I just he wasn't that guy.
So anyway, Nathan, where does Jackson Coler rank as a

(28:41):
postgame interview on all time MSU basketball basketball players? After
hearing his postgame interview on Peacock Tuesday Night, this kid
has made for a career in media somewhere.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, I like, I like Jackson Cohler, and I
enjoy our conversations. I wouldn't even put him his number
one though on postgame intery. He's good. He's pretty thoughtful.
I let you know, he'll he'll take his time on
a question. He'll he's he's I enjoy him.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But I mean I think, I mean, first of all
these guys that have to answer your guys questions, I
mean we should just yeah, to make it interesting as
something else.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
So but Cooper is really good, you know. I think
Cohen Carr has gotten a ton better. It's a really
good team in that sense. Fears has gotten better at
saying substance of things instead of just sounding like a
good SoundBite like he used to do when he was younger.
I mean, there was no a whole lot. He was
kind of the Charlite Calhoun of the early no offense

(29:38):
to Shalik none, but uh, you'd listen to Chaliite Calhoun
interview and at the end you'd go, wait, a secon
didn't actually say anything, Whereas you know, some guys don't
speak all that much. And I used to joke about
this when I covered Western Michigan Klumazuback one day with
Lewis Delmas, and people woud struggle to understand. I me
had a little bit of a Haitian accent, and he
was tuck real fast, what is a Haitian accent? So

(30:01):
I'm not it's gonna sound very offensive if I try it.
So I'm not going to do it here, but I
would always say, like there was actually occasionally some profound
things in there. You just had to listen back to it.
And people would struggle that and they'd make fun of him,
but he was he wasn't an idiot. He would he
would and he would actually give you something good and
he would give you some truth. And I always liked
those guys.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
See, that's why I'm glad I don't have Greg Williams money,
because I'd be like under Grand Haitian accent thousand.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
You'd pay me to do it, Yeah, just having a
bag of cash. It would be the last show he did, probably, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Alex Mayor, who are the top five players? You would
do everything you could to retain if you were Fitzgerald.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Well, your quarterback Alessio mi la Voyevitch, nice, thank you,
good job. Man took all season. I think he's I
think he's coming back and just based on the the
presence he's been there or no, yeah, he said he's
coming back. He said let's run it back, which is
also a weird and big of an announcement for you. Yeah,

(31:01):
that's also a little weird, Like you're a you're a
red shirt sophomore. Of course you're gonna un like un
if you're you don't need to say anything unless you're
coming back, but people are. It takes fix that and posts.
So but that's a good start, right. I think Jordan
Hall would be another really good one to get to
have that sort of experience and leadership and guy who

(31:24):
will play through anything at middle linebacker for you. I
think there are a couple of guys up front, so
we're held to five. I don't know exactly where I
but there They've got some young guys up front that
I don't think are that bad, that I think are talented,
and I would be making sure. I'd be putting a
lot of emphasis on young guys up front that I
thought had potential, and that would be where I'd be
most concerned. Receiver. I think I can get them out

(31:46):
of the portal. It's not that you don't want them,
but you're telling me five guys, and well, if there's
more than five, yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Feel free to break it into ten.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Let's go. Well, Marsh would be good to have to
have a difference maker like that would be really good
to have. Of course, and I know that he did
not play great at all times this season. But he
is a like one of the reasons a guy like
Kurt Signetti, I wouldn't be stunned if you want up
at Indiana, because Kurt Signetti loved him and looked at
him as a huge difference maker, and coaches game planned

(32:15):
against him. They knew he was dangerous. And you know,
this is a tough year and a tough year for
him personally, I think, and it was a tough year
for the team obviously, And I would be I don't know,
if you could get another year of him, I would
very much try to do it. But the other thing
is I also would very much respect the idea that

(32:35):
he just wanted to do something else. He gave two
years in a pretty shit time for the program and
he's got one year left before he wants to be
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Alex Mayer next, how would you try to limit Boozer?
And from David Jackson? Who will be the primary defender
against Boozer? Will it be Cooper with Kohler on the
bigger and Joe and go in Gangba in Gogba, Yeah,
and gong.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Ba the uh? I would I mean Boozer is so
I'm torn on this a little bit because Boozer is
and like Ken Palm as him is the best player
in college basketball at this point. He's been very good
and his game is pretty complete, and he's he's kind
of a force, and he you know, it'll be interesting

(33:16):
to see if MSU has the athletes and size throw
a lot of different things at him. There's part of
me that also thinks getting other making sure other guys
on Duke's team don't go off is more important.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Let him get his Yeah, I don't let him. Let
him is probably the wrong word. Yeah, right, but I
you know, I don't know. And obviously they play a
team defense style, right If they play in the gaps,
they help a lot. You don't want certain guys to
get in foul trouble trying to deal with him, And
this is where you struggle with like Jackson Kohler. There's
a part of me that thinks that's a really good matchup,
But he's a guy that I think they lose a

(33:51):
lot when he's out of the game in foul trouble
in terms of the glass and other things. Probably do
you start with a bigger guy like Carson Couper on him?
That might be where I would probably be where I'd
go to start it, and then you know, you'd have
to see what cam Ward looks like against him. It's
a good question, though, and it's something I'm waiting to

(34:12):
see because you know, I've seen him play twice this year.
Watch two of his games, and he'll be the best
player MSU's faced. I mean, he's better than Caleb Wilson,
who I really like it North Carolina. He'll be the
best player Mshu's faced, Scott. You next for cam Ord
is the sprain wrist, a lingering injury that could stick
around for a few weeks to months. I know he

(34:33):
is tough and will play through it, but he doesn't.
A sprain wrist on your dominant hand affect your game
to some degree. Opponents will likely go after it.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Yeah, so at least he's not your point guard like
Keith Appling, but risk injuries can linger. I think's why
they didn't playhim against Iowa. I think they knew they
could win that game without him. He also did not
affect a lot of what he does in the North
Carolina game. That happened pretty early. He was holding his
wrist route and he played well. I do think it
would affect his shooting. Now, he's not somebody who's taken

(35:04):
a lot of threes. Anyway, you don't want it to linger,
and it may be something that if it bothers him
this game. You know, after this game, they have a
full week, they play at Penn State, then they've got
Toledo and Oakland like that. Are there opportunities after this
game to say, hey, we're going to give you a
couple of weeks off if it's really bothering him, and

(35:26):
you can have a risk injury to all sorts of degrees.
I had a risk injury for like five weeks years
and years ago, and I couldn't even open like I remember,
I could open the garage door. I couldn't do certain things,
which hand I think that was my right hand. Yeah,
do you have to go lefty? You know what? I mean?
Why what?

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's sorry? As a guy, I'm asking you a question.
I've never had a risk, Thank for God. Yeah, so
you have to rub up against something.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
But it lingered. But you know it hurt in other
areas more than it did on the basketball court. And
I was still playing every week. Fucking everybody masturbass.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I mean, hey, you just said, it's got you. What
percent of the current roster do you think coach fitz
would want and hope to be able to retain and
Alessio wanting to come back, and Kate Kaufman signing on Wednesday,
both without an offensive coordinator. How impressive is it that
he can convince them without knowing the scheme?

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's a good point. I think
if you're a Lessio, though, think about you've earned this
job as starting quarterback. You've had enough success that you're
probably presumed to be the guy next year. That is
not easy to do it in the power forward level.
Like you go somewhere else, there's uncertainty. You may like
it on campus, you sort of you know your teammates,

(36:41):
you know everything around You're you're the guy. You have
a chance to be the guy for three more years, right,
and like that is that's got to be I don't know. I
wouldn't want to mess with that, especially if the coach
who was coming in said you're the guy. I would
trust a little bit that they were going to find
the right offensive But if you're fitz.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Gerald, how hard is that to tell him? I mean,
he can't make a promise like that in case someone
comes in. True, you're going to compete for this job, right, obviously, right.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
But but if you're you know, if you're a less
eo and you you have that experience already, you trust
your talent, you know, and that sort of thing. Then
and the Kaufman kid, I think that's yeah. I no,
I think that speaks to their ability to recruit. I
think you know, you saw that that the Courtney Hawkins
and some other staffers are still part of this. I
think it speaks to the professionalism of the guys who

(37:26):
got left behind too, and some of the recruiting staff
that aren't the assistant coaches and doing a nice job.
And you know this, the coaching world is a small
profession too. You you want to be somebody known as
helping out your last place or doing the best job
you could as long as you were hired. As you
continue to move around, you don't just burn bridges right
right away. But what percentage the roster do I think

(37:48):
he'll hope to retain, you know, just about everybody. I mean,
why wouldn't you. I mean, look, Mark D'Antonio, and he
knows that's not gonna happen. But Mark d'antonio's early success
at MSU and getting things to be competitive and look stable,
it was probably because he didn't lose anybody no different times, right,
kids didn't have the transfer portal. But you you want

(38:09):
as much continuity unless you know there are a few
bad eggs on the team or guys you just don't want.
Through conversation, I would say it's probably just about everybody
you'd love to have back.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Andrew Gotier next, do you think this Lions team has
a run in them? I know they had several sacks
and turnovers yesterday, but that's been more of the exception
than the rule. Big night, if were almost lies. You
haven't even talked about it almost dude, Greg and Donna
have run our show. You haven't even talked about the Lions.

(38:41):
By the way, before anybody wants to say, you want
to take back your pick about Dallas. I didn't hear
anyone else any other Lions fans saying that we were
going to win that game the way we did yesterday. Listen,
I am so happy to eat crow today. But man
branch out for the year, out for the next year. Achilles. Yeah,
all right, Well, shit, I was just trying to say

(39:02):
this year.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, it's no, he's he's out for their entire window
for Super Bowl. So he's dead. What is with you?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It just it is with your nine to eleven tone.
I don't like this ship, you know, I get it. Yeah,
he's out for this year. Can you don't have to
talk about next year? Don't don't play guys to Salary's right.
You know, maybe I'm team Solario on this. Say nothing
that he just you know, interrupts you like on podcast.
It's just depressing when you see that, because I know

(39:29):
it's basically when I watch the game, I go, no flags,
no flags, no injuries.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Yeah, cheer, It's just complete dick. You know.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Kirby Joseph with his knee, I don't know what's going
on with him. I just don't know how many bodies
we're gonna have left at this thing. I think this
team is going to fight to the death for Dan Campbell,
and I guess as long as you have Gibbs and Golf,
you got a chance. But the way the offensive line,
I did not see that offensive line playing the way
it did last night. I'm happy to eat crow. I
don't know what I mean George Pickens. Dallas fans should

(39:59):
be absolutely pissed at that. That dude gave up on
you guys last night. So and then CD went out
with the concussion, So great victory. I just I listen,
I'm ready to ride. I'm not giving up on this team.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I think.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I'm just trying to be honest. I'm trying to be
a rational Lions fan. So when we talk about these games,
I'm just not being homer boy and just giving you.
You know, I'm giving you what I feel in the moment. Yeah,
and that doesn't mean you have to give up. Listen,
I'm an og as they like to call it, old guy.
I've watched so many years of this Lion shit. I
can do whatever I want. I can say whatever I
want about this team, and no one can tell me

(40:30):
what the fuck to do. So you can say whatever
you want and go, oh, you're giving up on your team.
I wasn't giving up on my team. I was just
being realistic to where this team sat before they played Dallas.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
I wonder if any and I'm not saying you should
do this with GoF only golf, but there are other
guys making a lot. But golf is the guy who's
who's overpaid relative to where he rans. These A lot
of these guys are overpaid though. These quarterbacks you have
to have. Okay, but when the Lions give up a

(41:00):
deep ball because they don't have a certain position a
depth there, I want Campbell to go up to Golf
and say, this is on you. This is your fucking contract.
You lose fifteen million off it. Maybe you can afford
that other guess safety or corner. This is on you,
just so you know you got to make up for
an offense because you're the reason we don't have that
on defense. Like I would say that to him. Just
make it clear. You're getting paid like the top quarterback

(41:22):
in football. You're like number twelve, So you know you
understand this is on you. You need to be great
at all times at this salary. Right But I mean,
how many quarterbacks? I mean, obviously you could give me
maybe five or six, but you can't give me a
lot in the NFL that you'd rather have over golf.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I mean golf to his faults. You know, it is
what it is in the NFL right now. When you
have a guy that is talented like golf, and when
the situations are right, he can be an elite passer,
so he should be affording absolutely in the market for
the NFL. The way the market is, if you don't
have a quarter, you look at the other teams that suffer.
I mean, even if you want to say Sam Darnold

(41:58):
and you think he's having a great year in Seattle,
but let's see, you know, Sam Darnold in the playoffs.
He saw what he did last year right when they
won you know second, they were the second in the division.
They won all those games in Minnesota, and he ended
up shitting the bed in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
So it so did golf.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
But anyway, I just say, you have to be in
the mix, and you have to pay that to be
in the.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Mix of Fortunately, yeah, no, no, I get the game.
I just don't like it, that's all. That's all. We
missed one from Andrew the first one.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Oh oh, were you expecting Coach Fits to keep the
recruiting class together as effectively as he has. Also seems
to be getting a couple flips on signing day, which
is impressive.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
He had one advantage. He moved to East Lansing, home
of Groovy Donuts, and so one of the things you
can promise that you can't promise at Northwestern in Chicagoland
or anyone else is boxes of Groovy donuts. You send
them to recruits. You let them know you care. And
you can do that with the people you want to
care about you and be on your side in your life.
And if you're going to a holiday party or anything
this weekend, like especially if your personality sucks on you,

(43:00):
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(43:25):
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Speaker 3 (43:37):
Andrew Gotier and Spartholomew this one. What is your anticipated
timeline on staff announcements for MSU football donors and athletic
departments seem to be all in on the new head
coach and from Dave Laken, do you think that Fitzgerald
will keep any of the prior coaching staff. It seemed
that the defense played hard for Rossi when he moved
from the press box to the field. What about Hawkins, Yeah,

(44:00):
I don't know yet. I am curious to see who stays.
And my guess is it won't be a lot of
Smith's guys. Like if you think about a guy like
a Rossie or Courtney Hawkins, those are guys who are
either predated Smith at MSU or came from elsewhere part
of his tree, you know. And I think some of
those conversations have been had some degree certainly there they're

(44:22):
helping with the recruiting class. You brought that that point up,
and they must have some answers if they're doing it
as well. Like if you're Courtney Hawkins and you're tweeting
out welcome to the family to people basically, and you're recruiting,
you must know you're coming back, or at least you
have the opportunity to come back. And you know, think
about Fitzgerald and the timing he got Now, he's a

(44:43):
little bit younger than Courtney Hawkins, not a ton, but
he would have. You're talking about a guy grew up
in suburban Chicago watching Big ten football. He was in
high school when Courtney Hawkins was a star. Then he
was in college and Courtney Hawkins was in the NFL.
You know Courtney Hawkins around a little bit, not like
he'll know Courtney Hawkins and and so I don't think

(45:04):
that I would not be surprised if that made a
lot of sense for him to make that move. Rossie,
I don't know. I don't know where he'll go on
that defensive coordinator. He obviously has his own ideas defensively,
He's been a defensive mind. You know, that's that's his specialty.
But Rossie, to me, I've thought before he came down
to the sidelines, and that obviously worked. They should have
done it earlier. But I've thought he had the potential

(45:24):
to be a really good coordinator. I thought he has
been a good coordinator places. And so I don't you know,
he's not like a red flag guy where you can boy,
they bring him back, that's a mistake for sure. Next
one from Andrew, can we get a way too our way,
way way too early wins and loss. His prediction for
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
We don't even have the schedule yet, but which I
think would be out soon. We'll have all July. Yeah,
So it's hard. It's hard to know. We know the
opponents and the home road and stuff like that, but
not when the buys are and all that stuff. You
know what you desperately needed MSU. He is a bowl game,
and I don't mean most people don't care about that.
It's sort of like Indiana right now with the Big

(46:01):
Ten championship. The conference championship games are largely dead, but
this Big Ten Championship game means a ton Indiana to
win the Big Ten, to beat Ohio State, to do
it for a program like that that's never been in
this this would mean something. And so I think from
Michigan State, even in this period of time where you know,

(46:22):
a six and six, seven and five bowl game has
lost a lot of its luster, they've sort of been
to have that sort of momentum, to have the ability
to go somewhere and have fans enjoy it for a while,
I think is really important and more.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Than a bowl game, I'd rather have some competent coaching,
some good wins next year.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I really don't care about a bowl game, right, you don't,
but I think they do. For the it's not even
about it's more about the fact that they made it,
because if you make it, that show some competence, that
shows some progress with it. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
you know, I I don't know who they're going to
have on the roster. I don't know how successful they'll
be in the portal. I don't know who's going to stay,

(47:00):
who's going to go. But you know, when William the
baseline January the baseline for a program, even like look
at Michigan State this year. They should have been in
a bowl game that was not winning games they were
capable of winning that kept them out. So if Fitzgerald
and his staff can avoid doing that, there's just no

(47:21):
reason not to be the sixth and sixth at the
very least C Dubs ninety one.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Do you have a sense of what percent of the
football roster will be retained?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
I don't. Obviously, it was interesting. One of the things
that Pat Fitzgerald talked about and his sabbatical was studying
like rosters and culture and places. It works and doesn't.
And obviously you have a lot of transfers on every
roster now, but there was a point of no return,
so to speak, in terms of where you lose culture

(47:49):
and seasons tend not to go well. And that was
over forty transfers on your roster. And that's an interesting
thing to know. And that's sort of where he saw
that line. And when I brought that up to him
the other day, he said, you know, there's also a
chance he won't be able to avoid that next year.
You lose a certain amount of guys you have to.
So he's thinking along those terms. So there could be
forty transfers on next year's roster as possible, you know,

(48:10):
like that. So who knows what next year's roster's going
to look like and who's going to stay and how
many guys will have opportunities too. Michigan State has not
been a great team. Some of these guys are young.
Some guys will have opportunities, and some of it will
come down to business and finances and how I much
you value somebody and what they're willing to pay. And
it'll be very interesting next month or so, because a

(48:32):
month from now, at this time we will have a
sense the transferport will be open, those things will start
to be happening. We'll have a better sense of things.
See dubs.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
When does twenty six football schedule come out? Trying to
play in a road game trip next year and would
like to book things sooner rather than later.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
If you look at previous years, it's right about now.
And I don't know if because of like, I wouldn't
be surprised if it's next week. In fact I would.
I would not promise that it's next week, but I
would be surprised if it's not next week, just because
nothing is happening next week and the Big Ten has
not mastered the calendar like the NFL. But you have
finals week, very few college basketball games going on, You

(49:09):
get through signing day this week, and you don't want
you know, I would be very surprised if it's not
next week that the schedules out.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Will it be the Greg and Don Williams schedule of release?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yes, yes, David Jackson, what do you think of the
artist rendering of the redone Spartan Stadium, particularly the east side.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I mean it's the whole thing looks nice, right, sick? Yeah,
I mean it'd be interesting to see if it looks
exactly like that when it actually comes to be. But yeah, no,
the whole thing looks well.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Then what's the point of an artist rendering.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Well, things get changed a little bit or whatever. But yeah,
I mean it's you know, I don't know. Yeah, no,
it looks nice. The whole thing looks I have zero complaints.
I was hoping the press box would get lower, but
that seems not to have happened.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Pablo Chacone, This Spartan basketball team feels like a mirage.
It's been a while since we've seen such a dominant start.
We typically play into ourselves. I'm excited, but we just
can't beat everyone right, right?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Or can we? You know? It is one of the
more impressive starts I can remember, partly because I didn't
expect it, especially coming off the exhibition season. Like I
remember how I sort of felt watching the Denzel Valentine's
senior year team early, the last team to start eight

(50:30):
to oh, the team that was great against Kansas, and
I didn't know they were going to be that good early,
but they were coming off a Final four. All this
team was coming off in the lead eight and but
then right away. Valentine was just at this this other
level that you were like, Okay, this is going to
be something. And Costello took a I thought a pretty
sizable step, and Forbes was better. And but it is right,

(50:51):
it's this is this is different. Now. There was a
moment after the Yukon game and after the Bowling Green game,
and I didn't know if this team would be I
thought they'd be better than a bubble team, but I
didn't know how much better. And obviously it looks quite.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
A bit Pablo Chaconi. This donation MSU is about to
get must feel like the biggest kick in the nuts
for Smith, that's the way she goes sometimes though.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Body blows yeah, well yeah, I know. I mean, Smith
would have liked to have had this money to play
with him, but he you know, he's got a lot
of he's got a lot of money. It was he
was not the right fit. Here's the thing. If you're Smith,
it sucks because you you would have loved to have
see what you could do with this. But for MSU,
this was the right move. This this is a.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Matt Shepherd Hall of Fame first ballot. Jonathan Smith, nice guy,
great family man and we just don't need him anymore.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
And and like Jonathan Smith, like Shep is really good
at certain things. Oh, Shep is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I'm just talking about Sorry, as the Tigers correct play
by play a game, like when he used to do
Michigan basketball on the radio and I would listen to a.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Lot of true professionals. Great, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
I didn't mean it to make it so like Shepherd
should go away forever. Sorry, this is the nice guy
Hall of Fame. I mean, come on, shut made five
hundred grand a year for five years. He's fine. It's
just it didn't work out with the Tigers thing. Pablo
chick Goona, if Santa was to bring you one gift
this year, money being no limit, what would you selfishly want?
One answer being sports related and one answer non sports related.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
So if you had a gift non you know, what
would it be? I mean sports related I would like
to go to.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
So it just has to be one thing I'd like
to go to all the majors golf, golf or like,
have a golf simulator.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
That'd be amazing.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Nonsports. Uh, the wife and I are trying to get
out of the you know, the Midnight Tavern and Ovid.
We're trying to upgrade our house, so it would be
nice to get a to move out of our Midnight
Tavern Ovid home and find another home, but which we're
trying to do. But where would you like to live Ovid?
I want to state, dude, I love small town living,
so whether it be Ovid or another small town, but

(53:00):
I just am comfortable there because I kind of know
it since I've lived there for eight plus years. So
I'd like to stay in Ovid because I kind of
know it.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
And it's the proximity to where you know, Don and
Greg Williams are from Langsburg, which right, yeah, it's it's fantastic.
Yeah for me, it's I would love to I think
I would love to have like, uh, you know, Center
Court US Open tennis tickets. There's some kind of cool
trip like that Wimbledon soccer game. I mean, we're gonna

(53:27):
Buddy and I are going to go to the World
Cup this summer. Something something something in the long over
much money, you guys have money saved still right in
your joint account. We have four grand that we're up
to four grand. Yeah, so that'll that'll cover like half
of one ticket based on what Fief is charging. It's
unbelievably ridiculous. They're trying to turn people off. There's such
corrupt assholes. But that's a that's a whole different dynamic.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
I think, what was that parlay you had earlier from
three three grand on it? So he's still gotta have
a thousand.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
You guys aren't inkrupt, And I think otherwise it would
be just some really cool trip, you know, just some
fun interesting place. I haven't been, h Norway or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Steve Beckman, which bench player other than cam Ward has
the highest ceiling this season?

Speaker 4 (54:11):
It's a good question, you know, goog, Yeah he might
Ugochuku or you know, I Jordan Scott still might because
I do think if he starts hitting shots, the rest
of the stuff is there. Like every time he plays,
he plays twenty minutes and he's like plus eighteen and
he has three points. So he does a lot, does

(54:33):
a lot of really good things on the court, and
you know it, So it's probably one of one of them.
But h and it depends who's starting, you know, Tang
or Tang's back in the starting lineup now. But yeah,
I would say it's Jordan Scott or Uchuku.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Steve Beckman, who's most likely to be MSU's top scorer
against Duke on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Well, if you had to bet it, I would say,
I don't know the most consistent guy at that level
you put You put it either Fears or Coler just
because that they've been consistently consistent with the points, and
I would say I would put it Cohler.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Probably Steve over under for goals plus major penalties in
this weekend series against.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Michigan a lot. It's going to be a great I mean, yeah,
I wish it wasn't this weekend, I really do, because
it's gotten lost a little bit. In next week there's
like nothing like hockey's off for six months because hockey
doesn't know how to do its calendar, and college hockey
that is in basketball is like a week and then
Penn State and everything. There's so much good this week,

(55:40):
So it was an overwhelming week. And then but and
so but the yeah, the series against Michigan, I it's
going to be it should be incredible. I here, Pat
Fitzgerald is going to be there, and he's going to
be in the student section for a little while and
dropping the puck and so it should be a festive atmosphere.
Still on his phone though right, still working on the phone,
so pun of the bushes.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Steve Beckman think Aiden Chiles might stick around for next season,
and from Ryan rockwell any word on Childs transferring. Marti
and others have been quick to bail. No hard feelings. Honestly,
there's no way Chiles stays right.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
So let me ask you this, Jason, if you're aiding Chiles,
and I'm not saying I would stay. If I were
at in Childs, I would try and find a place
where you could. You know, you've got a year left
of eligibility. I want to go someplace where I have
a chance to have some quarterback guru get the most
out of me. Right, But if if you thought you
could beat out Alessio, and I'm not sure he can,

(56:37):
I don't know. I don't have your guy anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I mean, Jonathan Smith brought him from Oregon State and
now he's gone. I'm not saying you can't do that elsewhere.
I think staying here when you don't have your guy, it's.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Just I think I would leave if I were him.
He's going to get an off for somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
And he's an intriguing prospect for another school. I think
one hundred percent. But I would say this if he
wanted to be If his only goal in life instead
of making it in the NFL, was to be beloved
by MSU, after at one point saying you know, I
don't care about the fans. Even if he wasn't completely
there was a little out of context in terms of
what we've met, but it was poorly, poorly worded by him.

(57:11):
The best thing he could do now if that was
his only goal in life, if he's if he said
right now that I'm staying, whether I'm starter or not,
this is my home. I'm a spartan for life, like
I just love it here and and I want this
to be my legacy. People would fall in love with
the guy all of a sudden, right, and I love
Graham Couch and his columns. There we go, then I
would make this more unrealistic, Sorry, Ryan Rockwell. Will Graham

(57:35):
asked Greg Williams about the Lancing promise. I can only
imagine his reaction when he found out about the four
hundred million going to MSU.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Four oh one. Actually right, yeah, it's at some point
I will I will I will plant that seed. I
don't know how yet. I don't he doesn't have You
might want to wait till dawn cuts the lawn again
and just roll up there. He explained the connection to
MSU and sort of this fondness and this how important
the MSU athletics has been to his family and their

(58:05):
lives and their love for it, and then their relationship
with iszz Oh. You know, I don't think he has
that with Lanting schools. The selling points I think he
was a Lanting Catholic grad and the timing he went
to Lanting Catholic. Lanting now where I'm going is bad.
It's going to get us in trouble. I'm not just
gonna it's not at some point out well, I would

(58:26):
just say that if he wanted Lanting Catholic to go
back to being the school at once was without some
of the Lanting kids in it, Lanting is a school
district would need to be a better district, and he
could help do that with two hundred and fifty million.
It would forever fully fund the Lanting Promise where kids
could go for you know that. That's all. That's all
I'm saying. It's a good dream. Ye, Prayer Warrior fifty five.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Do you see a path for Groovy Donuts or Muskox
becoming multinational conglomerates with billion dollar revenue streams from which
we can siphon a bit of nil funding percent.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
This is why we sought them out only Yeah, no,
I uh. Look, you know, Muskox has already got a
contract with MSU hockey and Groovy Donuts is the reason
Michigan State football is recruiting and maintaining recruits. So it's
already working.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
But like you mentioned, and we've talked about it before,
the offensive lineman having their own thing, defensive lineman having
their own thing where even you know, as fans you
can support get behind those products because that's where you
win football games on those both sides, right, And it can.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Be a multi layered endorsement, right. Muskox and Groovy Donuts
both fit the offensive lineman and you make it part
of a big sort of deal, and that's part of
their thing.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
And the personalities on both sides, those guys, defensive lineman
and offensive linemen have great personalities.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
Usually offensive linemen often have. I wrote a the cover
story of the two thousand and seven Western Michigan football preview. Yeah,
Callum Zoo was on the offensive line, and they had
some guys, I mean, they're just incredible, uh personalities on
that on that group, and they didn't turn out to
be a very good offensive line, but it was they were. Yeah,

(01:00:04):
I mean that's a group that First of all, they're
usually pretty intelligent guys the offensive line, and if you
let them go for a minute, they're they're fun.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Parker wise, next, what can you tell us about the
four hundred million, four one naming rights from Akuscher? Are Akrascher?
Are we getting Akroscher Spartan stadium? Couch called this a
while back. By the way, I knew it was inevitable,
so I'm not as mad as some people might be.
What does that money go towards roster I hope? Or

(01:00:32):
did they just get forty percent for the for Sparta
one billion dollar initiative? Can't wait for the first fit
SoundBite Jason uses for the show. Who knows what it'll
end up being? The it was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
I was a little surprised. I thought the naming rights
would be part of this first Spartan stadium and they
were not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
So that's they don't want their name on anything. Then well,
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
There's some sort of legacy stuff they want for this,
but they'd yeah, they're they're kind of they're interesting people.
They're not they're not quite as brash as most billionaires
and even some of ms u's other billionaires. You know,
it's not the Lanesburg in here. Yeah, No, it's it's
good stuff. The so I don't know, they're not the
actressure is probably not going to be the stadium, maam,
unless that's a whole separate deal that comes down the pike.

(01:01:18):
But as of right now, it is not in terms
of what's going to go towards NIL and anything. The
spartan ventures where the which is sort of a siphoned
off part of MSU Athletics, which is going to be
where the revenue stuff is revenue sports and other things.
I think that you know that hundred million of this
is where some of the NIL will be. And I

(01:01:38):
think that is where you're going to see money that
covers uh, you know, NIL and other things, and others
will be projects and stadium and stuff like that. So
there is money in this to help Michigan State do
what it needs to do. I'm not you know, in
terms of what's going to be what, there's still more
that needs to be raised. I think they're hoping that
other people jump on board because it's this is something

(01:02:00):
you know you continuously if you need beyond the revenue share,
which you hope you can balance your budget on, if
you need another ten million or so to put a
football program that you know that can compete on a
national stage, you know that you've got to continue to
find that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Chris next. It's no secret that MSU struggles with Smith
were due to or at least exaggerated by lack of
donor support. Now that Greg Williams and Jim Heeos are
combining to give nearly half a bill, how long till
I can turn on fits like fans did with Smith,
a tenth Michigan loss, failing to make a bowl, a
team car wash.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
You can do it anytime you want. It's a freedom
of speech. That's what we have here. Yeah, Matt c
does it all the time. Yeah, Yeah, Matt se was
almost out of he'll be out on fits by spring practice. No, No,
it'll it'll take a little take a little longer for that. Yeah, Well,
I don't know that they were exist. I think the
donor support was an issue. What I understand is that

(01:03:02):
they were they had to work to make sure they
could fulfill promises on the previous roster like they I
think they were able to, but it was not like
a guaranteed thing that they could get there like this,
money has been an issue and obviously this is a
massive donation coming after that, and this was something in
the works regardless of like if Smith had just gotten

(01:03:24):
to six wins this year by winning some games they
were capable of winning, this was not. This donation was coming.
So this is not like he wouldn't have gotten a
benefit from it. He just couldn't do enough to get
the job done to stay And that's you know, but
I think there was some donor support issues. Just look
at the defense, look at the priorities. I mean, he
might have made some mistakes there, but look at who
they were able to sign. And then look at you know,

(01:03:47):
Texas A and M's defensive line, and you can see
the difference. Prayer Warrior fifty five.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Please tell me Izzo isn't going to let Jay Batts
send the basketball team to to buy for the Palm
Classic or whatever it's called. Accepting millions from mortgage and
insurance scammers is already a bitter enough pill.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Yeah, most people would take it, though most people would
I don't know. I don't say most people. There are
a lot of people, have you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
They asked us to go to Dubai and do couching
the Rube Live Show, and they were gonna pay us
a million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
We would go. We would go, first class tickets and jail.
We would go. I know, Sparty, I do not, By
the way, I do not know whether they're looking at
that next year. I don't believe that's the plan though,
for like the Thanksgiving tournament, if that's when it's gonna beat.
But who knows if anything changes, I do not know
if they're part of that or not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Sparty bar fill in the blank. For Graham, MSU beats
Duke on Saturday. If Carson Cooper and for Jason the
Lions make the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
If if Jared Goff, if Carson Cooper stays out of
foul trouble to the point that he's able to play
his normal shift, pulls in seven rebounds and scores twelve points.
Guna Yaba Gita Jared god.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
If Jared go stays upright and throws for three hundred
yards a game. I think we win any game golf
throws three hundred yards, I think that we win that game.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
I started thinking last night about the timing and the
way the schedule worked out, and how beneficial it is
that you had the Thursday game last week, so playing
Thursday this week didn't hurt you, and then you get
the extra days before the Rams. I think that's a
real benefit to go out there. Lions fans will travel
to that game. It's a hard game, but I think
they got a leggit shot there. It'll be an interesting game,
and the beauty of it is while it would help

(01:05:28):
tremendously if they want it, they may have to beat
the Bears anyway at the end of the season to
get in. So I don't think it's the must win.
I mean it makes everything else probably a must win
if you lose it, but it's not itself a must win.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Scared of Stafford, really scared of Stafford? Biby, do you
think there is an actual growth MSU hoops can make
or is their team ahead of others thus far because
they returned to majority of their starters. Other teams are
learning rotations, etc. While MSU can operate out of the
gate full go.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Yeah, there is an advantage to having guys back, no
question right. So I also think though that if you
look at the Yukon game, and I remember watching that
first half, like this team has had some serious growth.
I think that game will be important to remember in
future exhibitions that they are still exhibitions. And but if

(01:06:21):
where Michigan State was preseason or where they are now
is tremendous growth, I do think that there are probably
other teams that have more room to grow. Whether that
happens for them, I don't know. But I think if
you look at MSU and even a guy like Jackson Kohler,
who's really great in certain areas, can he get his
touch down a little better inside be consistent from outside

(01:06:43):
which he's done more and more, you know, is Cohen Carr?
I still think there are levels that he finds himself.
I think with the freshmen and the younger players, I
think there's still a lot of room to grow. There
might be less than they might be ahead of some
other teams because of that, but I think there's still
a lot of room and we already seen it since
the preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Matt Cee, how many points do we beat Duke by
on Saturday? I was double digits. This has been the
best early season MSU basketball has played in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
See you in Indy, couch. Hell, yeah, dude, you and
Matt See in Indy would be great. Let's go. Yeah.
I'm not going to doubt that they could do that.
I mean, they've surprised me with the way they beat
North Carolina and bully them. I think Duke will be
hard at a bully And I've watched Duke play like
Arkansas and beat common opponents like that, and that was
a really close game till late. And then you see

(01:07:33):
what Arkansas does to Louisville and you see the differences, Like,
I think Duke will be the best team they faced.
So I would be surprised if it if it looks
like some of those other games, but I would not
be surprised with him as you won, Matt ce Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
How many hours a day do you think Brad Holmes
sits in his office and smells his own farts? I
don't know, three hours probably, I mean what else is
going on? You got your guys, so you don't really
have much else to do. Do you have free agents
mapped out possibly or guys you could pick up?

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
I mean, you start thinking about drafts. I know. It's
just that's the reason.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
One of the reasons why we're in here in the
situation needing must wins and sitting on the fringe of
the playoffs is because Brad doesn't want to make any
moves or bring in guys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
Apparently, I just would like some depth.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
I mean, just Matt, see, why does everyone preface Jonathan
Smith getting fired with he didn't get enough resources and
he's a nice guy. Dude got paid fifty million to
be the worst coach in MSU history.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
He'll be okay, Yeah, I don't think he's the worst
coach in miss history. I think his results are up.
There is the word you go in muddy waters. I
think Bobby Williams didn't do very well, you know, but
worse than this, worse than the Smith. Think Bobby Williams
got fired after a forty nine to three loss to
Michigan where he said he lost the team. Did he
say ah shucks? Essentially, oh ah shucks, I lost the team.

(01:08:54):
And so there's there's there's that because I don't know
if Jonathan Smith's actually ever actually said af shucks, just
it's essential part of his is I'm pretty sure he did.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Personality Mark Schneider, how much of the one billion needs
to be raised before Spartan Stadium starts getting renovated, Well,
they need to temporarily move like Northwestern did.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
This will be interesting as they go down the road
and something to ask j batt And there are a
lot of things to catch up with them, and I'm
hoping to do so this month because I think the
timing of all of this and and again today was
you know, I mean, some questions were asking. They're some
good questions. I've talked about how anytime the it's a
PEP rally, it's not a press conference. It's not my
favorite setup. Although I thought they did it well. I

(01:09:36):
thought both the speakers were good. I thought Greg Williams
was good. I thought is oh, it was good. But
the it's not that I It's not that I wouldn't
run it the way they did. It's not that I
think it was a functional thing. It's just there's a
better back and forth to have on those sort of questions.
The I don't know that though, And where would they go.
Would they play a year at Ford Field if they
absolutely had to, you know, where would be there? Would

(01:10:00):
they move around at all? I don't know what that
would look like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
And uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Yeah, my guess is their hope is you might have
a year where, like if you look at soccer stadiums,
do this a lot where one side of the stadium
is being renovated for a year until you have a
year where you have a smaller attendance while and you
do it in chunks and you try and do most
of it in the offseason. But that's a good question mark. Snyder.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Smith's staying in the area till his extension extended coaching job,
son of a son's of a senior and plays football
and baseball, got to be rough sticking around a place
he reportedly didn't like much in the first place.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
I don't know what the family it was till his
next sorry, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Smith staying in the area until his next coaching jo.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Oh yeah, I said, e Xt. Sorry, that's bad. Yeah,
my bad. Yeah. I don't know what he'll do. I
haven't talked to him. At some point. I hope to
speak with them. There are some other interviews. I'm more
insted in first, but I am what you call them
and he's like, he's like, I'm sorry, who's this?

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
I don't know. I don't know who Graham pat Yeah,
this guy half, this guy money bag. If you had
to predict a year, the stadium will look like that rendering.
When would you say, didn't we do this?

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
Well? What year? How soon it'll start? What year would
be done?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
What year everything we saw? What year that would be done?
I would say based on I would thirty five, yeah,
twenty thirty at the earliest. What year is it twenty
twenty six? Soon?

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Yeah, Scotty Green's al Camino. Graham, does Jason having a
cat through legitimate means make you feel more guilty about
abducting Spot?

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Hmmm. We did not abduct Spot, and we give Spot
like Spot came over today, did a little neck rub,
you know, I'll put him a fatom and sent him
on his way, and he was fine, Like we let
him go. It's not like this is some sort of
you know, he's trapped. He's not trapped. In fact, he
decides when he wants to leave. He just stares at
me sometimes even me outs and I know exactly what
that means. And I let him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Spot's original owner did walk by and was like really
annoyed with you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Though what happened was Spot was on a walk, and
Spot will sometimes go on a walk with the owner
and the owner's dog, like trailing them or leading them
or whatever. Spot likes dogs in the neighborhood, done like
other cats, but likes dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
By the way, speaking of Norm, I did chat gpt
a lion's helmet on him yesterday and people, actually my
wife included, thought that I really put a helmet on it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
That's great. Norm was a great looking cat, by the way,
it's the best. He's the best.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
But I'm sorry, I was just shocked that people are
actually like, I can't believe he put a helmet on
a cat. I'm like, how the hell would you even
put a helmet? Like what size helmet would I buy?
Those little mini ones?

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Well, we did put a lugnutsat on Spot at one point,
like a little you know, because they give you those
where you get the ice cream and and a somebodys
you get the ice cream in a little plastic helmet
at a game, and so we used that helmet to
put on Spot and took a picture before Spot was
grossly annoyed by the helmet, but Spot was anyway walking
down with can't be any worse than changing his name. Well,
that's true. We didn't know his government name at the
time we met him. But Spot was walking down the

(01:12:54):
street with his owner, and I went out to check
the mail, and Spot saw me and turned around him
racing up. And then when lee our porch, and that
created a little bit of a rift. That's all. It's nothing.
Nothing we can't overcome. And if you want rift, And
if you want an indoor cat, don't let your fucking
cat outdoors. I mean, I'm sorry. That's that's the way
we're gonna go. That is a story we're telling, presented
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(01:13:15):
An awesome place for a date night this weekend, a
cozy night out. It's it's just a fantastic vibes, great menu,
the American stout from the absolute favorite beers in the world.
They have there as well. You can watch a game,
just sit at the bar with friends. Great place after work,
good place for a lunch meeting. Also a great place
for a work or or holiday party. A Midtown Brewing

(01:13:35):
Company in downtown Lands.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Scotty Green's Alcamino. Next, why the fuck was that blue
waal douche Woejoe at the Fitzpatrick press conference? Shithead question too?
Can we send him in paint Boy to Epstein's Island.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Paint Boy those paint Boy took a blue wall. I
don't know paint Boy is, but that seems like a
Wojo is a general columnist and he wrote a column month,
you know, so I know people don't like them. He's
a genuine general, said general general. All right, yeah, I
don't know where to go. What does that mean though?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
But he's not like just a Michigan columnist he you know,
so they forced him to come cover Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
I do think people will like my lead in a
column that's running in Sunday print. I think it's coming
out Sunday morning, just on it's on Pat Fitzgerald and
what's going on with the money now? And then also
the just you know, what people think of the best.
When people think of the best of Michigan State football,
what that looks like to them? And my lead is
a certain moment I talk about an audible gasp from

(01:14:36):
a certain Detroit Free Press columnist years ago, and I
think people enjoy that sort of what a tea, What
a tease Sunday morning.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
That's going to get me to go down to QD
and pay nine to ninety nine for that paper. There
you go, I'm in ken Chew. How crazy is it
that there's no players MSUs basketball team that we get
frustrated with? Denim Wojiic is bawling out. It's freaking me
out a little listening to Izo say mostly about the
team's play.

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
I think I was struggling with it too, Like Iso
likes to go back and forth game the game, like
happy with them even when they don't look great, pissed off,
and it's like scheduled anger. It's not real. Somebody, please
guard somebody. And there have been years where I'm unable
to quote him because I think what he's saying is
is only partly genuine, like it's like, I'm not gonna
this is bullshit, like and you have to tell young
reporters he's not. He was scheduled to be mad today.

(01:15:23):
It's not actually his his his anger towards the team
I'm not talking about. He's struggling with that because they've
been pretty damn consistent to this point, and they don't
have a lot of guys when they're this good that
annoy you. Most teams have like one or two guys
you're like, oh my god, that guy. Yeah. You know,
even when you're covering it, usually there's a guy you're like, yeah, man,
put that guy in. But we need games. I can't
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
David Cox, knowing that Jeremy Fears is a complete player
and le Brayden Smith doesn't play d how can he
not say Fears is the best player in the conference.

Speaker 4 (01:15:54):
Well, it is true that at some point you have
to like trust what you're seeing and not reputations and
not who guys have been. And I think we struggled
with this for a while with Jace Richardson last year.
I was like, boy, this guy's really good. But he's
just a freshman. He wasn't supposed to be this great.
So when do you really recognize somebody is who they are?
And you know, Fears has a chance to be the
best player on the conference. We'll see, but he certainly

(01:16:17):
right now he's leading the nation and assists by a while,
he's leading by ways. He's leading an eight to o
team they beat in Kentucky, Arkansas, North Carolina and Iowa
and if they beat Duke and I get it's a
home game, but yeah, he certainly you can make that
argument absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
David Cox, Jason, you need to like this fitz Dog move.
You wanted Northwestern. His losing seasons were the double whammy
of being Northwestern and an Il. We're about to see
a great salesman get a lot of top recruiting classes.
How could he not like this move? Well, I said
at the time when I heard it, and when Couch
was telling me when we were talking about Smith leaving

(01:16:55):
and who would possibly be the next coach, and he
would mention Pat Fitzgerald. My first thought was And when
it was announced, I was like, all right, I'm just
being honest, Like I wasn't excited about it, but I
was open to let's see what happens. And now that
I've seen some things that have happened, and now with
the donation, right, it's just everything's coming together. I am
open to it. I just am giving you my honest opinion.

(01:17:16):
Like I thought the Lions were going to lose that
game last night with Dallas, So I mean, I'm just
being honest to you, giving you my opinion, don't want
to lie to you. So Fat Pitts Gerald Jeremy Fears
Junior is fun to watch and we'll have a legacy,
but his foul baiting and antics will keep him out
of the Winston and Cleeves conversation. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
As much as he wins, we'll put him in if
if they win at that level.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
But I like the foul baiting and antics though it's
like a Florida Leader general thing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
I like, people hate that if they're not on your team,
but if they're on your team and they love it,
I don't think that will we'll prevent him from being
in those conversations. The would get you. I mean, like
you want to talk about a guy who was a
dick who's nearly at that level. It's got skyles right,
and so we were just too young to really know it.
But if you win at Michigan, say at that let
and he's gotten into a Leite eight as the starting

(01:18:05):
point guard. But he was in a different role so
to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
And it's not like Grayson Allen levels correct right when he's.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Not white, I mean a white guy doing that stuff
absolutely way Warren Grayson Allen with a ted cruz face. Yes,
I mean it does not help you, doesn't. Yeah, you
shouldn't even be playing basketball if you looked like that brutal.
But I would just constantly follow that guy. If I
was as Stewarts, they get to a Final four with
him playing the way he is, he will absolutely be
in that conversation. They win a national championship, that puts
you a different playing obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
The Colin Fristle of Southern Maine. Next, did I sit
through nearly three hours of a dozen milk toast takes
just to have my blistering hot take? Ignore me? I
was going to read it, Couch said not to. Yeah, sorry, real.
What do the donors like about Fitzdog? The seven wins
over his final three seasons, the record against good teams

(01:18:53):
that makes James Franklin look like Bear Bryant.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
It's just passion. And it's also that they were include
and listen to and sometimes that's all it is. You know,
people of that ilk light have egos. And I'm not
saying this was again, I think this donation that came
in now would have happened regardless of the Jonathan if
Jonathan Smith had wont enough to stay so some things

(01:19:19):
aren't entirely you know, cause and correlation of whatever. I
we'll fix that post, but you know what I'm saying, like,
but they liked being heard, and they like that he
feels like a fit and he feels like a recognizable
figure of MSU football to them. G E. Miller.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
If the man Greg Williams is good for four hundred
and one million, where are Ishbia, Saint Andre and Gilbert
at Will they be joining the party soon?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
I don't know, but certainly this puts you know there
certain people. I mean, four hundred and one million is
a lot of money to give and to have available
to give. And even you're not you may not give
it one lump here, but to allocate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Dan Gilbert, you're gonna let him do like Greg Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Don Williams do that? Do you do? I gotta say, Dan,
A bunch of us drove all the way to Detroit
for your fifteen million dollar donation a few years ago,
and it was told us, we were told it was
a big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Didn't even get a free lunch. Believable, Thanks Dan, Austin Wolf.
What do you say we see if Magic wants to
match that donation from Greg and Don Williams ten million.
De Lancy promise three ninety to MSUF.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
Lety you reverse that. I'm good. It cannot be that.
If he gave three ninety MSU Athletics, I would write
a column every morning for the rest of my life
shitting on Magic. What I would do to be there
when they asked Magic for that amount of money? I
would he would Yeah, he would be sure. It wouldn't
be very long, but he'd be like, I will talk
to your locker room anytime you want, is what he'd say.
Magic is not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Steve, how upset would you be if you were a
Western Michigan alumni and a fellow alumni gave four hundred
million to MSU.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
So that's the I mean, that's I want to check
one thing. Hold it, give me some hoff at least
not of off.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Philly Filly.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Cocky Billy bru spin him on you. That's crazy Fanny
stab the urinal porn.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Please Stubby who spin on you?

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Wee ba really good? You will marry Christmas? How she
will marry Christmas?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
She will marry Christmas Christmas?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
All right. I'm trying to figure out where different people went,
but this happened with Bill Johnson and uh, you know
they gave five hundred million round to strike and give
five hundred million the Western Uh if you're you're a
Western Michione grad like, h hold on check co John Williams. Anyway,
point being, yeah, you're annoyed if somebody but this happened

(01:22:02):
with Michigan too. Michigan's got a quarterback right now in
Parton and one of their biggest donors, Larry Ellison. He's
got a wife who's like forty seven years younger than him,
who went to Michigan and he's given money. I like that.
You know, sometimes your connection can be all sorts of things,
but I would I would say that certainly, it's probably
not it doesn't feel great, but Illinois should be pissed

(01:22:24):
off about Larry Ellison in Michigan is why are they
getting that? Yeah, people give money for all sorts of reasons.
They're connections for all sorts of reasons. I didn't go
to Michigan State and the reason I grew up, you know,
when I was an Misu fan as a kid, because
I grew up in this town in Michigan State's the
heartbeat of the community. And I think that for Greg
and Dawn is something that they recognized for a long time.
But I understand what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Saying, fart Soup Jason, is if you had Greg Williams money,
what's the most ridiculous thing you'd buy? The original batmobile,
Epstein's jet, or maybe couches house, just to tear it
down and build a cat cathedral.

Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
For Norm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
Marivitch's floppy socks. I think they're in the Hall of
Fame though, so I probably can't get those. Those are
kind of priceles. There would definitely be some baseball card purchases,
you know, Michael Jordan psa ten level, like rookie card stuff.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
I would love to see you with that kind of money. No,
you would, No, No, I'd be dead quickly six months.
I don't know. I think i'd make it a decent amount.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
It would just be two wild. I don't think I
can handle it. Yeah, you know, fart soup Jason, if
you had four hundred one million, would you keep it
in a double bag under the front seat of your car.
I would definitely have at least a million in the car. Yeah,
in all times, at all times. Yeah, pay everything with cash.
Just have a million, I mean, don't tell anybody. Obviously,
forty K was enough to keep under the seat fart Soup.

(01:23:44):
If either of you had four hundred one million, what's
the biggest fuck you thing you'd spend money on? I
swear if couch says the lancing promise, I'll make sure
nobody hit subscribe to your YouTube channel. By the way,
hit subscribe in the YouTube channel, yes, and like wait,
fart soup, you can do that. You know how to
do that to make people not want it. Maybe that's
why why Tony Dombrowski has like twenty thousand or two

(01:24:04):
thousand more followers or something like crazy like this is
the videos only get like seven hundred views.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Anyway, I love you, Tony, but maybe purchase? Can you purchase?
You might be able to purchase things. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Remember you used to be doing that with Twitter. Remember,
oh yeah, you can buy, dude, there's people still buying views.
You'll see it, well, do you? At the one point
when they got rid of all the bots you could
buy on Twitter, all of a sudden, like hondos dropped
in half.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
That was the rest. That was the five followers. You
can buy viewers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
But it just it's so glaringly obvious that one of
your videos will have twenty five thousand views and then
the next like seven of them will have five hundred views.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
And just so people don't. At one point, when you
want an injury settlement for a car accident, you had like,
what is it, forty K and in a double bag
for two weeks. Yes, in your car.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
I was given a forty thousand dollars check that I
went to a bank and they took me back to
a private room and they wanted to cut me a
check for all of it, and I just said, give
me one of your big like one of those bank
like big bank bags, and they just gave me all cashes.
I was riding around with it in the car for
at least three days.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Wow. That is a story we're telling percent of by
Midtown Brewing Company in downtown Lanting. If you have forty
K and cash in a Duffel bag and you go
to Midtown Brewing Company, it's a lot of beer, a
lot of good meals. Your bag will be safe. It's
a cozy environment, there's good people, they're very trustworthy and
great place for a date night. This weekend at bed time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
But to answer Fart Soups question, if I had that
kind of money, I would make it Greg and Don
Williams donation to the legalization of psilocybin mushrooms because it's
helped me immensely and I want to get that legalized
and like the stigma of it and people it can
help you and if you want more information, I mean,
please look it up if you're going through something. But man,

(01:25:43):
I would donate at least one hundred mil to that
to get it legalized. Pay whatever lobbyist or should I
got to get it to pass through and make cannabis
not federal one shit stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
So anyway I would I would pour a lot into lanting,
I mean, but but some of it would also be
I would try and buy the Lansing State Journal and
a couple of the newspapers Kalamuzu that Freeport Journal Standard,
and try and and make different papers really work in
different types of If.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
I had the money, though, and I bought the State
Journal and I gave it to you, would you allow
a reality show to fill like a camera?

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
I need this money.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
I would also, Greg, can I borrow some money? But Greg,
can you buy the State Journal. I would also do
some pretty dawn, some things that people wouldn't like. So
that's we won't do. I'm saying, I think we're missing
out Greg and Donald here. I think we could make
some money off this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
I would do reverse white flight. What does that mean? Well,
I would get people to move, so I would take
places where white flight had happened, where there's a lot
of gentrification, you know, where people had gone places, and
I would pay to have homeless encampment moved into those
communities so people felt uncomfortable, and then move back in
the cities that I want.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
To Greg Don, sorry, never mind, No, not a good idea.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
Pas. The most overrated holiday movie White Hills number one?
Would I would all all the homeless people be a
White Hills. This is in Portland, dude, get out of here. Really?

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Most overrated holiday movie? Mm hmmm, A lot of I love.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
Yeah, I don't watch many, so I mean Christmas Vacation
isn't over rated. The home alones were great. I don't
know great. What's one that annoys you when it like
it's like, all right, I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Don't need to see that one again? Yeah, I don't.
That's every Hallmark ship you watch, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
But yeah, but those aren't over They're not so highly
rated that can be overrated to tell you all you
need to know. Yeah, you know, every time Hallmark tries
to do a football movie. The one about the Kansasy
Chiefs sucked, the Buffalo Bill Won't, Bills Won't this year,
which I haven't watched. I've heard it sucks like all
of those are. Yeah, they all suck, peasy. How badly
do the Pistons need another shooter?

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
Badly? I mean badly? I would. They need Duncan Robinson
to be healthy number one, and so they need him
to play it just about everything. You need a little
bit of depth. You can't sit there and pin everything
on Duncan. They need one more. They needed not turn
the ball. They lost the game in Milwaukee the other night.
It was strictly on turnovers. Man. It was the end
was really really frush trading, and they just they didn't
take care of the ball. They're up like six, you know,

(01:28:03):
less than two minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
I think they eight turnovers. Cayden and Jay and Ivy
to you know, cut down on the turnovers. I think
that's a bigger issue. Luke Bungee.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Next, if you had to link, like in excuse me,
if you had to like in Jack Eblin's performance in
the media scrum post fits introductory pressor to an athletic performance,
what would it be for me? It was vintage Dennis
Robin grabbing every loose ball and rebound.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
What happened? Well, he just I don't know, he's very
good in scrums. He gives himself in there. Sometimes you
have to remind Ebling that it's not his his show,
you know, just using the audio. But he asked good
questions for the most part. Yeah, some people get annoyed
around forever. But yeah, he's no step on toes like
literally like does he know I no? I like elin
does he feel? Do you feel all of Jack Eblin?

(01:28:51):
Sometimes felt all of Fred human but as somebody who
when I used to do his show, sat across from
him in this studio answering his hypothetical questions, Oh yeah,
those have gone for a while, But when in small
doses an immediate scrum, they work really well sometimes. And
some of the questions, you know, I mean, I have
a sense of a history for the program. But he
has even a deeper sense and sometimes they're corny, but
you take the corny with the good. Yeah, Jack goes

(01:29:14):
deep man Spartholo.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
You who's more pathetic the Michigan Lions fans that white
Knight for Hutchinson or the MSU Lions fans that over
shit on him. It's okay to be critical of the
guy making Garrett money and not performing remotely close to
the standard.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
I thank god Muhammad had got three sacks yesterday because
you know, hutched with his pressures and all that stuff.
I get it, but you don't want to sit there
and shit on a guy. I understand MSU fans if
they hate the guys. Still, I can understand both sides
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
And he's getting paid, you know they not yet, but
the money he's going to get paid is going to
be massive, and so he needs to perform. This is
my thing with when you get that kind of money,
there is no excuse. You have to be great. Jared Goff,
Vaden Hutchinson. If you get that money, you get paid
like the top guys, you have to be great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
And watching him last night, I was focusing on hutch
and there's sometimes he just goes so wide and gets
himself out of the play. And like it felt like
there was one time he had a sack on Prescott
and I'm like, did he did he miss him on purpose?
I mean, he was right fucking there anyway. So there's
no I'm a big Hutch fan. I just I can
understand people's concern because sometimes it doesn't look great with him.

(01:30:26):
But Thomas has Fitzgerald explained actionable steps he'll take to
avoid the kind of hazing, et cetera from Northwestern developing
the MSU And do you plan to ask him about this?
I'd be a lot more comfortable giving him a chance
if this were out in the open.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think there needs to be some
specifics at some point. He's talked about learning from it,
and you know, the sort of the buck stops with you.
But and it was I believe was it Laide or
somebody asked him something along those lines. But yes, I
think like that is something that what happened there that

(01:31:03):
you know what what did and didn't happen at Northwestern
in your mind, and then based on that experience, what
have you learned that you need to do?

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
And how does that change, they're hazing anywhere anymore? Like
you to be a real dick to haze right like today,
probably a frats, I guess yeah, still yeah in frats,
like who really? I would not let any dudes, no
fucking throat punch you. WHOA Sorry, I've never been his No,
never hate. That sounds like you've been hazed, all right,

(01:31:32):
Lunfield gay During Spartan Speak, it sounded like Solario was
not happy. Graham broadcasted that Solario was having a holiday party.
It got shut down real quick when it was brought up.
Is that grounds for an uninvite?

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
I asked him afterwards, because we don't do that show
live like you and I do this show live, and
so the when you're doing a show live, uh, you
know things happening like we don't ever fix anything in post,
but I can edit that out. So I even asked
Larry afterwards. I was like, do you want me to
edit the holiday party thing? I was like no, No.
He was more because I think he didn't know if
it was still gonna happen or if they were, Why

(01:32:07):
does it matter? Yeah? I don't Yeah, but did you
give out his address? If people don't want to. You know,
people know he lives in Williamston near the high school.
But like if people aren't invited, you know that's uh
gonna show up. Yeah, it's you know, that's show up unannounced.
The Selari's ouse amazing people just walking out there to
the high school at Williamston, it would be that would
be amazing. And by the way, if you do show
up uninvited to uh uh Chris Lari's holiday party or

(01:32:30):
any holiday party, bring groovy donuts. Chances are people will
be happy to see you. So if you're not getting
a lot of holiday party invites, but you know of one,
if you show up with groovy donuts, chances are people
won't even know you weren't invited. Again, Groovy Donuts dot
com some great stuff this month two locations Lake Lanting,
Ronie Lancing and also in Williamston, not that far from Solari.

(01:32:51):
And that's uh seven am to one pm Thursday through
some Did he give you a look when you mentioned it?
It just kind of shut he was he just kind
of he's not being as usually yet.

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
It was it was weird enough man Kurt was Newski
Will Jason Kandell be the offensive coordinator and Max Bulla
be the defensive coordinator and from G. E. Miller, is
Pat Fitzgerald going to be the leader of men at polls,
Phil Parker at Iowa and Max Bulla back home to
resurrect this defense in program. You want to win over
a fan base, that's the place to start.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
People would love that. Obviously, I don't know what he's
going to do. I don't and if I did, and
a few of you have asked about Jason Kandall and
whether he wants to stop being a head coach and
whether that's what Fitzgerald wants to do, I do not know.
I don't have that information. But obviously, if you hire
Bulla or Phil Parker at Iowa, you've you've won, especially Bulla,

(01:33:44):
You've got a lot of happy people.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Bepe plumb, if you were a coach at say Toledo,
making one point one million a year, how much would
you need to become MSU's OC Would one and a
half mill.

Speaker 4 (01:33:54):
Do it for you?

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
It also depends what you want to do. If you
feel like you're not moving up and you're going to
be there, can you just do the rest of your
career there without getting fired? Do Sometimes being a coordinator
is a a little less pressure, but you don't want
to be a head coach anymore. It depends. I think
the money would probably be similar to what he was
making it to Leado.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
Lucas thoughts on Rossie and Bullet being co defensive coordinators,
I don't know anything, but I just spitball that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
I just yeah, I can't imagine somebody like Rossi wants
to do that. Rossie, to me, will get a job
as a defensive coordinator somewhere next year. If they wanted
him at Michigan State, he would have to be the guy. Now.
I understand that maybe for Bulluff you're trying to, you know,
wean him in or something. There could be a circumstance
where those guys could want something like that. I just
I remember not thinking it was great when it was

(01:34:39):
Trestle and Barnett at Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
State Spartan Tode. Why has Phil Parker never been a
head coach?

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
It's a good question. I don't know. Lack of charisma,
I don't know. He's been well thought of for a
long long time. Maybe he's just happy and he's made
a lot of money and he's been a good coach
and he's had to play. It's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
I don't know, Jordan Villa Reale, what names being added
to Fitz's staff would help to make this off season
of success and bring us back to relevance.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Yeah, I can't give it to you. I wish I could,
but I don't know his rolodex, and so, you know,
it just would be me spitballing a couple of coordinators
I can think of who are good, and it would
all be you know, it just wouldn't be It'd be
ignorant information, like most of my information bet by plum.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Graham mentioning that his wife came into the studio at
the worst time reminded me he never finished answering my question.
So what's the answer now that Elizabeth is not there?

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
You'd have to Could you re ask the question next week?
Because I don't know what it was I do? Oh
my god, man, I remember that. My face gets flushed
just thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Yeah, Richard Kine, when Fitz said I'm a sweater, so
I'm an eater. Graham looking into Pat's eyes with a
dreamy look and quirky smile was trademark Hallmark movie Meet, cute, priceless,
do you feel you've met a kindred spirits? And where
does this rank in all time moments of your life?
A trademark Hallmark movie, Meet Cute.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
Yes, I was at the Hallmark Christmas party last night.
By the way. It was a fantastic Oh, it was great.
The movie we watched was about Matt Wenzel looked through you.
I would if you would like this. The movie was
actually one that inveilved like a cat cafe. There's lots
of kittens, lots of cats. Just because I like cats.
It doesn't mean that like shitty movies you would have.
But it was a good We played Bingo and it's

(01:36:23):
it was a good movie for Hallmark Bingo. That's all.
Leave me out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Dude, Richard Kine, have either of you ever had interludes
of beast mode and Graham? When you come up with
a phrase like that, do you slap a helmet sticker
on your laptop?

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
What's he saying? I used the word interludes of beast mood,
beast mode and a column. It was a good It's
a good phrase. Everyone. I have a good phrase. Yeah,
so uh yeah, no, if I had, if I usually
I just spilled some groovy donuts on my laptop. Right
after that, I take a bite, you know, some a
good long John something, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
Aiden's wait, So the rumor of a huge donation announcement
was just a fundraising goal that was a subset of
a previously announced campaign.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Kaw F and caw. I think this might have been earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:37:12):
Yeah, so you're not happy about the four hundred and
one mil.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Yeah, the problem is the timing. When I asked for
this was before this. So I don't know. Let's just
move on eight Agan's child.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Isn't it true that Smith wasn't really fired, but rather
reassigned to a vacancy as the West Tower elevator operator,
and that his lack of personality was seen as a
good fit for the position.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
That's where I got the guy in trouble or whatever.
First thing you know during my column that one of
the elevator operators a part in the stadium got fired.
I didn't get him fired. I didn't get him fired.
I believe he's been back, but you know, you don't know.
I don't know for sure he's firing Chop Graham.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Sam Con from The Athletic had an article on Tuesday
saying power for football, roster budgets are usually between thirteen
and fifteen million, with some top spenders reaching above twenty
five million. Where was MSU during Smith's tenure? Where does
MSU commit to be for Fitzgerald's tenure? And don't say
I don't know or it's hard to know these things.

(01:38:03):
It's your job to know, Couch. That's why the lsjpays
you lancing promise money.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Well, everybody, okay, if you're thirteen million, you're low, Like
I'm sorry, but the rev share is for football is
almost fifteen to sixteen everywhere, So I'm not saying that
his reporting is all wrong, but the budget should be
for players to be fifteen million. So and I don't
know if he's talking about previous nil or what he

(01:38:29):
was looking at above twenty five million. You know, is
you know, if you're ten million more than than rev share,
which I think a lot are at the top, that's reasonable.
I think MSU was pretty much at the revshare allotment
but nothing more by the end. And I don't know
if they are quite the full fifteen, but that's my understanding.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
John Noughty Next as the playoffs or bus culture permeates
college football, do you think that eventually smaller brand schools
get sick of being unfairly excluded from some serious college
football playoff consideration and eventually break away to form their
own Tier two league with their own national champion. Or
does the money stop making sense at all for smaller

(01:39:13):
brand schools and those programs simply disintegrate into history.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Well, that's a good question, you know. I think that
the danger with all of this is that schools that
don't feel included lose their zest for all this, and
their fan bases lose their care And it's a good question.
I don't know where this is going, because there was
a peaked moment, Like if you go back to the eighties,

(01:39:40):
the Miami Ohios and Western Michigans and Max they had
no shot back then either it's like one Bowl game
for them, they're one hundred and twenty scholarships, so they
were less talented on the roster. And then the nineties
and two thousands happened and you really had some great
teams and then even in the Big Ten. You know this,
it's a good question where all this is going to go.
Usually think what's good for everybody is is good for

(01:40:03):
the sport but that's the sport acts operates with too
much greed for that to be the case. Let's let's
move down to Original dark Man's second second one, and
we're gonna have to skip a couple I apologize here.
We've got some studio limitations where we're gonna need to
run through original just a couple down.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
MCV MSU, basketball, hockey, and football are all ranked and
all have a long distance road game on a November evening.
Do you or your boss pick which game you go to?
Does price of the trip matter? Does opponent ranking decide it?
Do conference games take precedence or is it expected readers
or is it expected readership the only fact?

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Yeah, a lot of things go into it. Football, if
football is relevant, that's almost always wins out. The football
is playing important games. That's where i'd be. Basket, men's
basketball be next, and then and then hockey if but
it would depend who they're playing and in what The
readership is a lot of it though, and that's football
and men's basketball, and that's that's sort of where we are.

(01:41:07):
Let's bump down to Jay Riemschneider's first one.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
All right, does your purported ten point home court advantage
in college basketball count for just the craze crowds like Purdue, Kansas,
et cetera, even when the team is so so, or
does it also count for really good teams whose crowds
you diss, like Michigan, UCLA, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
No, it depends on the crowd. There are times Michigan
does not have that and if but if you have
a great crowd, it's worth ten points. Yeah, no, it's
only but it's it's at least worth ten points, maybe
more than that. But the point being Vegas gives you
three points, and this is where you can make money
on Vegas and where they don't know shit. Ten points
is more realistic to what the advantage is for a

(01:41:45):
team with a great a great home crowd. Let's we're
gonna gonna go down to and the rest of these
we will get in on Monday if they're still if
they still fit, and I apologize, we'll go down to
Hans and and so forth.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
Is Pat Fitzgerald the most media friendly coach in America?
He asked Stephen Brooks for his name when he asked
a question at his presser.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
For Pete's sakes, we will find out media friendly means
you know, good interview availability.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
It goes a long way though when you do ask
somebody there you know what I mean. I mean, it
sounds feel important, It sounds like you care. Yeah, absolutely,
even if you don't. Hans, what kind of offense do
you think Fitzgerald will run? He ran no huddle in
his early days at Northwest. Don't know and don't know
who his coordinator is going to be and that will
be a really big hire due to his injury as
a sophomore. Is there any indication on whether Jackson Coher
will apply for a fifth year of eligibility.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
I don't think he can. I mean because he played
and we played like seventeen eighteen games at least that year.
I don't think he can.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Hans, I can't find anything on the basketball team to
complain about. I like having three shooting guards to choose
from one is bound and not have a cold night
of shooting. How could this thing get fucked up?

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Well? But the problem is if it takes a while
to figure that out. They need somebody ton't count on
and at that position, and they don't really have it right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
Now, Hans, I gave ten bucks to MSU can I
give an emotional speech on your platform.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Absolutely easily.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Yes, for five bucks, Jake Hawkins, how much of the
one million dollar for a billion dollar for Sparta fund
will be used for nil deals for MSU athletes and
from Sparti party. So is the money going to be
there to go get real players? I get fits just
got here but for some reportings up, but some reporting
still makes it sound like that's unclear. Will be really

(01:43:28):
upset if we are just paying for lip injections and
lipstick for our pig. No.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
I mean this is going to have to be for
the talent partly, and how that gets funneled in and
making sure you have the full rev share easily, and
you're not, you know, working at a deficit you can't have.
You can't accept this sort of donation and then not
be able to afford a roster. Right, then there's just
no excuse. People would rather have a competitive roster than

(01:43:54):
a brand spanking new Spartan stadium. I think any day
of the week.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Jake, if Spartan Stadium does get a naming rights deal,
which local or Michigan based company do you think we'll
get it? Jackson National Life, Auto Owners Insurance or Farm
Bureau insurance.

Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
Let's say it's ten bucks on auto. No, I don't
know if anybody can be interesting to see who wanted
to put up that kind of money. I don't even
know if it's their realm of something they wanted to do.
But Jackson obviously has a history of paying for stadiums
in naming rights with the lug Nuts in downtown Lanting.
Let's go to upper deck drk guy, upper.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Deck JRT guy, do you think I have a chance
at being the Michigan State offensive coordinator?

Speaker 4 (01:44:34):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Can I get a sound bite of Jason's thoughts on
the officiating the Lions game last night?

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Unfortunately we have time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Jerk guy, do you have any embargoed stories that we
haven't seen yet?

Speaker 4 (01:44:45):
Lots of them ever, Eton Hagis, I don't know if
that is Google. I'm not well. Hold on, I'll google
that real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
Hold on all right, And finally, upper deck jerk guy
Tofurky or Ted.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Duckan give me tured duckin. I don't ye Tofurky. Yeah,
I like tofu. You don't like tofu. Apologize for a
few of you that that got left out there at
the end or didn't get yours in well, I'll add
those to the Monday pile if you want as well.
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