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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Stats.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Let's talk about stats.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Ben Kretal and his team of former players and insiders
gives you the latest stats, data and analytics that are
trending in the world of Cougar Sports Stats.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
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Austin pay serving the Lord with all his heart, my mind,
and strength on.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
The mission field.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He'll be back from his mission in a little over
a year, I believe, and he'll be balling out for
Brigham here shortly. And we're gonna have former and current
players stopping by from the Kougs. Noah Moyaki body schoonover
Connor Paye, Jamal Williams just arrived.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Come in and say hello to him.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Nate Richie, current or current Utah football player, Kenneth in
jerm Pool a future youth. So it's a red versus
Blue show. I have Bred Hammer, Vic Cram by my side.
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my stat of the day. Okay, BYU is one of
eleven FBS teams remaining that are still undefeated.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, that puts a big target on your back.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Already, right, and it's the BYU Utah Holy War. Okay,
only Texas Tech and Blow you remain from the Big
twelve is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Dues.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
BYU made it to nine to zero before suffering its
first defeat on November sixteenth, the last Big twelve team
to go down. That was last year in search of
seven oh starts. Check this out a win over Utah.
With that win over Utah this weekend. Potentially BYU would
move to seven oh to start the season for the
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third time under Kolonie Satake. It would also be back
to back seven oh starts for the first time at BYU.
The Cougar started seven to zero in twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty, two thousand and one, nineteen eighty four, and
nineteen seventy nine. Pretty crazy to see these these different
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years in which BYU was elite. Obviously the eighty four
season the most elite. So that's your key stats of
the day. I want to get back to some soundbites
from Jy Hill and talk about maybe Devin.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Dampier's stats if I may.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Devin Dampierre has been very, very good for the Utes
minus the Texas Tech game, right, minus the Texas Tech game,
you know where he struggle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But he wasn't a hundred percent healthy, remember he was
he was you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Know, he was you know, questionable, not even probable, and
it was, uh, it was a little bit of a
an issue with the injury report that the Utes had
to maybe apologize for.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So uh, let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Devin damp Pier, who does damp Pier remind you of
that you face so far, Jay.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Hill, Yeah, he runs it a lot like and the
scheme is a lot like say West Virginia was where
he gets more carries. And I think the West Virginia
quarterback was extremely athletic and he carried it a lot
in that game. So I think it's probably a good
split between West Virginia and Arizona.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I would I would agree with that.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The the tuck and run mentality of Khalil Wilkins is
similar to the tuck and run mentality. I would say
this this Devin Dampier style of play.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But Devin is a better thrower than than Khalil Wilkins was.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I don't think he's know if a feet, but he's
kind of in between there, maybe more of a Cayden
Salter type, but we'll see how it plays out. A
couple of latch down bites from Jay Hill and our
let's talk about stat segment.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
What are your defensive goals this week?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Jay Well, I think we need to do a great
job of stopping the run. We can't let the quarterback
be super efficient when he does throw it, and that
looks different, you know, depending on how many times.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
They throw it.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Depends on, you know, what we're looking for as far
as the efficiency rating and all that stuff goes. But
those two things, for sure are always a critical thing.
My goals change each week for the defense, and it's
just the reality what I feel we need to do
to win this game is going to change each week.
And some of it's a secret.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's kind of interesting, kind of KOI there with with
the J. Hill commentary, some of it's gonna be a
secret on what they're gonna do, how they're gonna play
their defensive schemes in order to slow down this rushing attack.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Now, they have two good running backs.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
At the at Utah, and their productivity is probably equivalent
to that of L. J. Martin and Dan Pier is
very much a run threat. He's the second leading rusher
I think for the Utes and so or sorry, he's
the leading rusher for the Utes and so he's their
best runner, okay, and and so he's got some things
up his sleeve.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That chuckle, you hear, J Hill kind of chuckles like,
you know, we got some things up our sleeve.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I love that that swagger, that confidence. He seems pretty
confident that he's gonna be able to slow down the
running ability of Devin Dan Pierre.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Moving on to number twelve, Does the.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Familiarity between staffs change anything for you guys?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Not really. When the balls kicked off.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's college football, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Leading up to it, there might be some things where
you think, oh, well, they know we do this, or
but we also know what they do and the reality
is when the ball snap, you still got to stop it.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
So I don't think it changes that much.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You gotta stop it. The familarity. Look, there's so many variables.
Even though there is familiarity with the staff, So many
variables contribute to play calls, implementation of scheme as well
as personnel.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That being said, I do think in.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Critical times, critical plays, you wonder if there are certain
tells like unto like the game of poker, right when
you get stressed, when you're under the gun a bit,
if there are certain tells from a qualitative and quantitative
standpoint that they can like say, I know what Jay,
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I know what Jason, I know what Kai or Morgan
Scalley is going to do in this situation. He doesn't
elaborate on that, but I do think there's an element there.
There's a certain amount of familiarity, not only from a
personality standpoint, That's what I'm talking about. They know what
they've done, typically over a decade or more of data
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points of what they do in critical, high pressure situations.
And we all know that the byu Utah Holy War
is typically decided by one score, especially in the modern era.
Over the last thirty years nineteen times, sorry, thirty one games,
nineteen times has this game been decided by one score,
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eight or less points? Right, So it comes down to
a final possession in this game, you know, almost seventy
five percent of the time. So I do think there
is a familiarity there with high pressure situations that you're
going to have to keep track of. Final thing from
Jay Hill, how would you assess this ar offensive line?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Best offensive line in the country is what they tell me,
So it's a great challenge for us. I think they
are very talented. They're obviously leaning on those guys to
keep the offense productive. I like the matchup. I like
where our defensive line is at and how we're getting
better and better. So that will be a huge component
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in this game, is just how the defensive offensive lines
match up on both sides of this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
There you go Dad.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Look, I remember in twenty twenty one when the curse
was finally broken when BYU finally got to win at Lavelle.
In the post game, Kyle Whittingham's commentary was very intriguing
to me. He says like, I would have never guessed
that Utah our team was going to lose the trench
warfare battle, that we're going to lose the line of scrimmage.
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That's what happened, and so James alluding to it as
well as I've just us the Holy War with former
and current BYU coaches over the last fifteen years, they
time and time again will cite the fact that Utah
was just better upfront offensively and defensively and that's what
led to the victories for the Utes. That's it are
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the offensive line of defensive line up to the task
this year is the question who wins that line of
scrimmage battle. I'm feeling confident, but Utah is a very
good team and there's a lot of motivation right now
for Kyle Whittingham to go out a winner in this
rivalry game. I'll continue to state this. I think much
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of his legacy. I think more so his legacy has
been built off of the dominating. The domination in this
rivalry game more so than the bowl games, the double
digit wins, the top twenty five finishes, That's my opinion,
because he never outside of two thousand and eight, I
don't know if you can make the argument that he
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ever really got over the hup. Yes, he went to
two consecutive Rose Bowls, but couldn't get the win. You know,
the elite nature like putting yourself into the top five
by the end of the year. It's a difficult thing
to do, Okay, it just is. And I don't know
if he ever got over that hump. So I almost
feel like the rivaly game has solidified his legacy more
than any and if he goes out into retirement with
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three straight losses, that may sole leave that legacy just
a little bit from the fans and the media standpoint now,
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Speaker 1 (11:16):
When we come back, we're gonna welcome in show.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He is the personal trainer and mentor for Jamal Williams.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I attribute now, Jamal is a great player.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't want to take anything away from Jaal, but
I attribut you much of Jamal's accelerated transcending productivity, especially his.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Senior year and beyond to this man.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's the special edition of the Rivalry Show.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We got former and current BYU players showing up, Body
Scoon Over Noaho, Jacki, Connor Pay, Jamal Williams. We have
current and future Utah football players showing up, Nate Richie,
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at Crumble in Pleasant Grove. We're gonna get into a
little world oft BYU Sports here with a former Rick
college baller shot collar. He ended up becoming a personal trainer,
our human performance guru. Once upon a time, Jamal Williams
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had to redstret he had been injured. Okay, he exited
BYU UH and and it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Was a It was a rough time for him.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
He found a mentor, He found a coach in Luke
Khan that helped him through the process. UH refined him,
transformed him. Jamal Williams ended up training with Luke Khan
down in Arizona for an entire offseason and he became
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a monster in two thousand and sixteen. And that's what
we got to enjoy is BYU fans. In my opinion, yes,
because of Jamal, his genetics, his work, ethic, who he was.
But you need mentors in our in your life in
order to maximize your talents and abilities. And Lukhan was
that mentor, that coach. Let's welcome Luke in to this segment. Luke,
(14:04):
how the heck are you? Budd appreciate you being here.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I'm doing great, Ben, thanks for having me. Great seeing
you again.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Hey, a blessing of pleasure.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I know we like to text and call and chat,
but it's great to see you in person. I apologize
because I'm I'm suffering through this cold that's been going around,
so I'm popping, uh you know, my my cough drops
and drinking as much water.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But man, appreciate you being here to support.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Locals, to support these uh these uh former cougars, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And uh, it's just a blessing to have you.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Luke.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
This baile your football team has been fun to watch,
hasn't it.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
It's been great, man, It's amazing. Every week it's something different.
There's never there's never a boring time watching them. It's
always excitement. It always keeps you on your seat, whether
they're on offense or were they on defense or special teams.
It's always something that they're pulling out of the out
of their hat like a rabbit half something.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
From uh you know, you know these coaches, you know
some of the players as well from your respect there. Like,
what stands out to you about the Kilani Shaitaki era.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Obviously Jamal came in right.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
At the beginning of the Kilani era twenty sixteen and
he took the world by storm in twenty sixteen, one
of the best running backs in college football.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But what stands out to you about the Kilani era?
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I think just experiencing being up at BYU and working
out with Jamal up there, I think Kilani gives you
that vibe of it's all one hundred percent of family,
doesn't matter how long you've been removed, and you're always welcome,
and that you don't find a most institutions, if at
all any So for me, it's just wonderful knowing that
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you know, we can go up there and the door
is always open. Whatever you need, just go ahead and
ask for it or get it or whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
We can help you however we need to.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So I think I see a lot of that understanding
where these players they cling to that, and they a
lot of these players, some of these players they want that.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
They want that love away from home.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
And if you're coming you know, say from Chicago or
from you know, Arkansas or somewhere, and you leave your home,
you have that family right here in Probo and it's
not just there. It's like crumble, you know, you have
these different outreaches people that want to help you feel
more comfortable and feel at home. So I think it's
really great. And then you can't beat the mountains, man,
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There's no one's talking the mountains right now. You can't
beat that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's beautiful, man. It's a it's a beautiful place, no
doubt about it. But it takes that extension of family.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
You need coaches, Everyone needs coaches, Everyone needs mentors. You
became a coach, you became a mentor. You were a
football player. You knew the impact that mentorship and coaching
had in your individual life. Your personal journey is h
is unique, right, and and so you've given back because
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of the impact that coach Han specifically provided to you
when you were at Ricks, when you were a ball,
when you got recruited, you know, from your home state
to go out to.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And Rick's Junior college.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Expand on that a little bit how important family and
coaching and mentorship was to you, and how you've tried
to give back in that regard.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
For me, it was very moving and you got to
you gotta, I gotta apologize because it's a little bit
you know, clutching in my throat. My dad or at
the time was my college football coach at Rich College,
and you know, I was a kid that came from
a very very abusive background and no one cared and
no one loved me. And to have that person be
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my role model for so long from nineteen eighty six
and then finally adopting me as his son, and you know,
it meant the world to me because I've been through
so many things in my life that I had to
go on by myself. Where most kids, they come from
family backgrounds and they have their dynamics that mom, the
dad or an uncle or an auntie or a grandma
or somebody that loves him and takes care of them,
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where from you, I didn't have any of that. So
I had to learn all these lessons on my own,
and then to have him be in my life and
to take the step to want to adopt me, and
to have a mother that loves me, that wants me,
that you know, just wants to hear my laugh and
he wants to see me smile. To come to an
environment like Rick's College, because my dad at the time
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when he was the head coach at RIX, a lot
of the kids would feed him too byu you know,
like the Jay Hills, like the Aaron Rodericks, like the
Justin Anderson's.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They all fed from They all came from Ricks College.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
So to know the personal relationship that I've had with
these guys and that my dad hasn't impacted me to
have with these young men, to move forward and to
continue to mentor and to keep that legacy name and
just continue to do the things that I know he
would have done, and for him to pass it on
to me, for me to be able to do those
things for those young men, it's a great reward it's
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a great blessing.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, why did you step into that role? How did
you step into that role with Jamal?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
How did you get connected to Jamal Williams through his
journey from Byu to the state of Arizona.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
I had a bishop, my bishop at the time in Scottsdale,
in the Mountain View ward in Scottsdale, and he had
reached out to me and he had told me said,
you know, there's a young man that we've gotten a
call from from the church as you from the school,
and I feel that you would be best for him?
Would you be able to would you be would you
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would you take that challenge?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
And I said, well sure?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Who is it?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
So told me the name and I said, okay, sure.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
At that time he had, you know, going through the
injury with the a C L, mcl pcl ankle all
that stuff. So at that point, who wants to be
around that person that that person thinks would want to
be around them?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
No, will no one he normally wants.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
To be around you because you can't if you can't
give them anything, because who you were before is what
they saw. Now they're seeing you at a different level
and that's where that loyalty comes in. So my thing
was I didn't look at any of that stuff. I
just looked at the individual and said, you know, sure,
let's go ahead and.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Let's let's get this thing a a twirl.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
And the time how we spend together, we gained so much,
so much knowledge about one another, so much love and
so much care, and that relationship blossomed into what it
is now is you know, as a parent and a child.
And it's amazing because it shows you how to save
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your works in your life. The things that you never
thought you would do are the things that he most
likely blesses you to accomplish, not just to do, but
to accomplish, and then to see as journey that he's
on right now, you know, in the NFL, you know.
And to have a relationship where I don't want anything
from you, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Need anything from you.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
You don't need anything from me, you don't want anything
from me, But together we help each other and we
accomplished things together. Not a lot of people may not
understand that relationship. But then again, my dad would always say,
when you're chosen in life, it's a bigger difference than
when you accepted.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
The Savior chooses us, parents choose to have a.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Child, and so for me, I feel like I've been
chosen and he's been chosen, that we've been chosen together
to be together through this process. And it's a process,
but at the end of the day, that's what the
Savior has said for us.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The transformative powers of.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Discipleship and mentorship, you know, are uh you know, they're
cross generational, right and and you learn through that process.
You've learned through that processing it from your father, coach
on who passed away recently.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
May he rest in peace. He lived a legendary life.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
We celebrate that obviously, and the impact that he had
on many of those players that you mentioned that went
to b YU or ended.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Up at at.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Utah or ended up at any variety of schools and
be producing high level talent, but.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
High high, high quality people. And that's what it's it's
truly about.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We got Luke here on ESPN the fan coach mentor
developer of people. But specifically you know Jamal Williams, which
Jamal holds a special place in BYU fans are right,
same with Mama Williams, right, like probably two of the most.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I would say.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Favorite people amongst Cougar fans in the modern era because
of the unique personalities that they have, the genuine nature
that they have, and the form of fashion which they
interacted and embraced the Byu community. I mean, you've seen that,
you've experienced that. What makes the Williams family so unique.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
And so special?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I think the I think what makes makes it unique
and special is the fact that you touched on.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
They're just.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Very, very fun to be around, very energetic, and you
can't say a lot about that kind of stuff. That's
just something that some people are born with and you
can't just practice those things.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
It's just it's just who you are.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
So I think for those type of personalities in an
environment like this, it's welcoming. It's really more of an
adopting because you're adopting that personality. And then you all
of a sudden you see jam All throw the ball
out in the field. You know, you see him out
there dancing. It becomes contagious. You want to start doing it.
I want to come to Byu and I'm want to
throw the ball out like he does. I want to
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come to b Yu and I want to be able
to dance like he matter of fact, I have to
come here to dance.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I can dance in my state. I can dance in
my seat.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
So I think it's very I think it's one of
those things where it's very encouraging, it's very embracing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, I think he became a legendary player because of
the way he played, There's no doubt because of the productivity.
Arguably the best running back together to ever come through
BYU and the Record City set, but he imprinted in
every BYU fans are a certain love, a certain intrinsic
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connectivity between them and Jamal, even though Jamal maybe did
never like really interact with them in an interpersonal way,
but somehow he connected with them and that was very transcendent.
You've seen the the impact that he's made in many communities,
not just the Bau community, as he's gone to all
of these different NFL organizations.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Explain that component too, like the impact that.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Jamal's made at every organization that he's he's ended up at.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I think with the organizations that he's ended up Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Starting there, Mike McCarthy was the head coach and Mike
McCarthy drafted him. He was very His impact was felt there.
He got inducted into the Bookie Hall of Fame there.
He had a great career there. He went on to Detroit.
Dan Cavil and him were, you know, pretty much hand
in hand with what they were doing building that product,
building that program to what it is now, and for
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him to be a part of that was very significant.
Going to New Orleans and then, you know, he enjoyed
his time there. Unfortunately, he had a hamsterring that he
had been dealing with since he was in college, and
the hamstring finally showed himself through his first year in
New Orleans and then he never really could get back
on track there. Going into the communities now where he's
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in Mapleton, I use there. He does so much for
that community out there. You know, he'll sign stuff for people.
People will come up to him and I don't want
to bother you, and he said, well, you're not bothering me.
I live here, part of the community. So very he's
very open in that way. People will walk by and
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they all say, hey, I see your cats in the window,
you know, because he has cats, and I see your
cat's in the window. And he's like, well, thank you.
Anytime you want to come and look at my cats
or mess what play with him? You come on by.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
So he's very welcoming, very open, and for.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Me seeing that transition take place, it's one of the
because again as a parent, you look at that kind
of stuff and you say, wow, I remember when you
were it this way, and now I see you this way,
and I see the trajectory continuously moving.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Forward and moving up in your benefit.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
So it's amazing to see the young man he is
at thirty years old now than the young man that
he was at nineteen years old, eighteen years old. It's
amazing to see those transitions. It's amazing to see him
go to Scottsdale and interact with people, goes to the
skating rink and talks to people, and goes to the
neighborhoods and pulls people in trash cans in after the
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truck trash truck goes by. And it's just those things
that you don't see on the football field that he
does behind the scenes. You know that people don't understand.
And you know he's in great shape, that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And he works out. He works out every day.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, I'm hoping he didn't the calls coming maybe hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of movements going around right now,
a lot of NFL, a lot of the guys obviously
getting hurt.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Yep. For him, it's the thing where you know, he
is in the best.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Shape he's ever been in his entire career, which is scary.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And there's no hamstring issues anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You know, everything his mind, mental, he is one thousand
percent different three sixty in his mental preparational, his physical,
his spiritual. I mean, I'll be honest, Jamal, and I
went and got a blessing from his bishop and well
not hiss, he's not a member of the church in
the bishop, that the church that I go to, that
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chan the ward in the forty first ward.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
He got a blessing last Thursday, you know, and that's.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Amazing to see him making those transitions, those steps to
try to get closer to the Savior and to understand that,
you know, the Savior went through things too, and God
allowed him to do those things, but the Savior also
went back to the Father, and that's where he's at
right now looking at you know, I'm going through certain things.
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Jamal went into the NFL Red Carpet and that's what
him and I was talking about.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I said, you went into the NFL red carpet.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
You didn't get free agent contract, red carpet, drafted the guy. Sure,
now you're getting ready to understand how the guys that
didn't get your treatment, how they are now, how that
part of the business is. So now you'll have both
sides of the globe to understand. You're going in as
a red carpet. Now you're going in as a free agent,
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and now you've got to play for another couple more years.
And then you walk away from it and say, you
know what, Hey, I've had both ends. I've been on
both spectrums, so I know how if I'm working, if
he's broken up with a young man, Hey, I know
how it feels to be drafted. Hey, I know how
it feels to be a free agent. Now he brings
so much more to the table, So I'm very, very thankful.
I'm very excited for him for his next step moving
forward and playing ball again.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You need that spectrum.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It gives you a whole lot more gratitude, a whole
lot more perspective, and you can mentor at a higher level.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Indeed, the bitter and the sweet right.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yes, the good the bad, you know it's not bad
though experience, Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Uh and
and look like you know, when I say the good
and bad, it's like it's just the spectrum of like
what's that old adage, the old saying where it's like,
you know, like the Brent off like yeah, that could
be good or bad, you know what I mean, Like
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it all depends and then you know somehow like there's
a there's these these these sequential actions that end up
turning out to actually be good on the back end.
It's just perspective, it's just experience, and there's wisdom.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
In all of it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So lukhn ladies and gentlemen, love and appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Thanks for being here, Thanks for supporting locally, Thanks for
being a part of the community, Thanks for lifting where
you stand. Thanks for mentoring a young Jamal Williams needed that.
And look at look at what you guys have accomplished
together from that time that you guys came together.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's it's truly to me, one of the.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Best stories of BYU football over the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Right that that that you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Know, his struggles, his adversity and how mentorship and uh
and support aided him to elevate him to an even
greater height, right to reach new peaks. And so love you,
appreciate you, Thanks for being here here at Crumble.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
We got you some cookies, right, you got that? Hey,
we got to say one thing. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
I just want to say I love my wife, I
love my daughter and Mom. I'll see you in a
couple of hours.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Let's go mom.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Shout out to mom as well. We'll go to break.
Don't go stop by here at Crumble. We'll welcome in
Jamal Williams on the flip side. Get updates from him
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Jamal Swag Daddy Williams. We're gonna get into a little
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will be joining us here shortly, so Steve Tune, don't
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Jamal Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Entered the league in two thoy seventeen with the Green
Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Last year he was with the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Over his career from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four,
he's toted the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
One thoy sixty nine times.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
He's played in one hundred and seventeen games, four one
twenty two yards, gained four yards per carry, thirty two
touchdowns along a fifty eight. He has also been a
boon of ball security. Nobody does it better than Jamal Williams.
What a career. He's the all time leading rusher. I
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believe from a former cougar in the NFL and love
that he's going to be joining us here in a moment.
So shout out to Jamal Williams. We appreciate him, love him,
and he'll be joining us here shortly. But as far
as other cougar's in the pros that we've been impressed
by over the years, Taysum Hill, He's back. Shout out
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to Tasum. He's balling out for the New Orleans Saints.
And how cool was it that New Orleans had Jamal
and Tasum in the same backfield. And when you talk
about teams that almost knocked off the utes in that
era of independence, the twenty and sixteen team was tremendously talented.
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The twenty and sixteen team was what eight points away
from being undefeated that season, and they were a two
point conversion away from winning that game. Now, many BYU
fans wish they wouldn't have gone for two, They should
have played for overtime, but they were at Reitz Echo Stadium.
What's interesting is this last week BYU's on the road
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versus U of A. Kilani wanted to go for it right,
wanted to do wanted to execute that two point conversion.
A Rod k Pop said no, no, no, let's play for OT.
Let's see if we can get more momentum and OT,
and they did that. Will Farren knocked it through the
uprights forty five yarder and then on the ensuing OT
they were able to ultimately score a touchdown and hold
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U of A and limit them from scoring a touchdown
on that final play. But when you have Jamal Williams
and Taysom Hill in the backfield. You know, I understand it.
I understand why you want to go for two. But
that twenty sixteen team came up one point short, couple
yards short in the rivalry game, and that was tough.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
It was a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
This rivalry game has been one of the most competitive
rivalry games in college football over the last thirty one years.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Nineteen of these games.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Have come down to one score okay, eight points or
less BYU during that time the last thirty one years
has only won twelve times.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Utah has won nineteen times.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But when you look at the aggregate competitive nature of
this game, you see it and you know that this
game once again is going to be a close one
BYU versus Utah. Under the lights of Lavelle, It's going
to be a great one once again. Utah is favorited
in this game, Okay, three and a half. What's interesting is,
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even though Utah is a three and a half point favorite,
over under is actually a little bit higher than it
has been the last couple of weeks. Forty nine and
a half is where it's at, and but ESPN Analytics
right now is giving.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It essentially a coin flip.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
It's interesting BYU is actually slightly favored per ESPN Analytics
fifty point nine percent. This is a fifty to fifty game.
This is a coin flip game. The utes are five
and one, two and one in Big twelve Play. They're
twenty third in the nation BYU six and OHO in
on the season, three and OHO in Big twelve Play,
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and fifteenth overall in the AP Paul six pm kickoff
October eighteenth, It's going to be a sellout. It is
a sellout. Crowd fifty nine degrees at kickoff, clear skuys.
You wonder though, will there be You know? Is that
I hope the field has been covered all week because
we've been getting a decent amount of moisture leading up
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to kickoff. UH and hopefully that that that that field
has been.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Covered so that the grass is and the turf is
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Couple of stats here as we get your prep Get
you ready for this BYU Utah game BYU moved up
in both poles on Saturday, coming in at number fifteen.
As I mentioned in the AP top twenty five and fourteenth.
In the AFCA coaches poll. BYU is actually thirty two
to nine under head coach Kialani Shataki when playing as
a ranked AP team. The appearance in the AP Pole
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is the two hundred and ninety sixth overall by the
Cougars in program history, which is tied for thirty fourth
among all teams overall. Four Big twelve teams are currently
ranked in the AP Top twenty five with Texas Tech
and number six BYU fifteen, Utah twenty three, and Cincinnati
at twenty four. The Cougars are thirty four and sixty
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nine and one versus ranked opponents. So you looked at
that ranked opponent record, you're like, man, this is difficult.
But BYU is nine and thirteen against ranked opponents under Shataki,
So they've gotten better under coach Kalani Shatakia when they
are ranked by wu's last win against a ranked team
was over number twenty three in the Alima Bowl last season,
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so pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Under Killannie, they are better.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
As I mentioned when Kilanie came in to his head
coaching role at Uyu, I said, as a young coach,
he was forty years old. He just turned fifty. Happy
birthday to Kilanie. He turned fifty this last week. I said.
The ceiling is higher with Kilani, but as a young
coach you learn a lot of different things. The floor
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may be a little bit lower, and I think that
that's been accurate. In twenty seventeen, they struggled after guys
like Taysom and Jamal and many others graduated and moved
on to the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But since then we've seen the gradual rise.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Since twenty twenty, Kilanie has put together double digit win
seasons time and time again. And once again he's doing that.
It has never been done back to back years starting
six to zero. That's what Klanie did and is in
year three now of being a part of a power
conference and so bigger to Killane and his BYU Cougar
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football team can't wait to see what they can do
versus the Utes now. In order for them to beat
the Utes, though, we gotta highlight what BYU and Utah
do well. It's the run game. BYU has another possible
great in the making in LJ. Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Running back l J.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Martin was named the Big twelve Offensive Player of the
Week after a career high one hundred and sixty two
yards rushing with one touchdown on twenty five carries at
u of A and bear Bachmer hasn't been too shabby
either running the football. He was named the Big twelve
Freshman the Week for the third consecutive week and fourth
after leading BYU to a comeback victory versus U of A.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You wonder you watch LJ right, you've been watching him
over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Can he become heralded like the great running backs that
have come through BYU over the last thirty years or so,
Jamal Willy being one of those, tyler Ow's year being
one of those. Luke Staley, Harvey Unga right, think of
all the great runnings. We used to be called quarterback
you and we've had so many great quarterbacks come through BYU.
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But in the modern eras you know, post two thousand
and one, you've had many NFL running backs Luke Staley,
Like I mentioned, Harvey Unger, Curtis Brown was in there too,
a former BYU great that toted for a lot of yards. Obviously,
Jamal after that from twenty twelve to two thousand. In
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sixteen he came in as like a seventeen year old
pup and became a grown man in balld out for
Brigham tyler Ow's year.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Currently in the league and he's killing it.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I wonder what tyler Ow's year's potential is going to
be in the National Football League. He's got great potential,
looked really good this past week, and he's gonna be
up for his second contract, which is big, right, this
is the money making contract. He's got fifty three carries
on the year, one hundred and eighty seven yards, almost
averaging four yards per carry, three touchdowns. But he had
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maybe his best game of the season this last week
versus Buffalo, So shout out to Tyler Azier. But by
is gonna have to run the ball effectively versus this
University of Utah defensive front, and you wonder, this is
the most formidable defensive front that b Wys face all
season long, and they're gonna have to prove themselves. This
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offensive line is gonna to prove themselves versus some of
the best in the country.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Let's take a brief time out.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
We'll come back with former BYU great Jamal Williams. He
showed up supporting the community, supporting former Cougars that are
running businesses here. He's now at least momentarily living in
the Great State of Utah training here down in Mapleton,
being a part of our awesome community and we appreciate him.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He's been at some of the BYU games.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I imagine we're gonna get to see him again at
Lavelle Edwards Stadium for the Holy War in twenty twenty five.
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my stat of the day. Okay, BYU is one of
eleven FBS teams remaining that are still undefeated.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Okay, that puts a big target on your back.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Already, right, and it's the BYU Utah Holy War. Okay,
only Texas Tech and Blow you remain from the Big
twelve is undefeated.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Dues.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
BYU made it to nine to zero before suffering its
first defeat on November sixteenth, the last Big twelve team
to go down. That was last year in search of
seven oh starts. Check this out a win over Utah.
With that win over Utah this weekend. Potentially BYU would
move to seven oh to start the season for the
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third time under Kolonie Satake. It would also be back
to back seven oh starts for the first time at BYU.
The Cougar started seven to zero in twenty twenty four,
twenty twenty, two thousand and one, nineteen eighty four, and
nineteen seventy nine. Pretty crazy to see these these different
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years in which BYU was elite. Obviously the eighty four
season the most elite. So that's your key stats of
the day. I want to get back to some soundbites
from Jy Hill and talk about maybe Devin.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Dampier's stats if I may.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Devin Dampierre has been very, very good for the Utes
minus the Texas Tech game, right, minus the Texas Tech game,
you know where he struggle a little bit.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But he wasn't a hundred percent healthy, remember he was
he was you.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Know, he was you know, questionable, not even probable, and
it was, uh, it was a little bit of a
an issue with the injury report that the Utes had
to maybe apologize for.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
So uh, let's get into it.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Devin damp Pier, who does damp Pier remind you of
that you face so far, Jay.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Hill, Yeah, he runs it a lot like and the
scheme is a lot like say West Virginia was where
he gets more carries. And I think the West Virginia
quarterback was extremely athletic and he carried it a lot
in that game. So I think it's probably a good
split between West Virginia and Arizona.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I would I would agree with that.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
The the tuck and run mentality of Khalil Wilkins is
similar to the tuck and run mentality. I would say
this this Devin Dampier style of play.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
But Devin is a better thrower than than Khalil Wilkins was.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I don't think he's know if a feet, but he's
kind of in between there, maybe more of a Cayden
Salter type, but we'll see how it plays out. A
couple of latch down bites from Jay Hill and our
let's talk about stat segment.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
What are your defensive goals this week?
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Jay Well, I think we need to do a great
job of stopping the run. We can't let the quarterback
be super efficient when he does throw it, and that
looks different, you know, depending on how many times.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
They throw it.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Depends on, you know, what we're looking for as far
as the efficiency rating and all that stuff goes. But
those two things, for sure are always a critical thing.
My goals change each week for the defense, and it's
just the reality what I feel we need to do
to win this game is going to change each week.
And some of it's a secret.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's kind of interesting, kind of KOI there with with
the J. Hill commentary, some of it's gonna be a
secret on what they're gonna do, how they're gonna play
their defensive schemes in order to slow down this rushing attack.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Now, they have two good running backs.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
At the at Utah, and their productivity is probably equivalent
to that of L. J. Martin and Dan Pier is
very much a run threat. He's the second leading rusher
I think for the Utes and so or sorry, he's
the leading rusher for the Utes and so he's their
best runner, okay, and and so he's got some things
up his sleeve.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That chuckle, you hear, J Hill kind of chuckles like,
you know, we got some things up our sleeve.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I love that that swagger, that confidence. He seems pretty
confident that he's gonna be able to slow down the
running ability of Devin Dan Pierre.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Moving on to number twelve, Does the.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Familiarity between staffs change anything for you guys?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Not really. When the balls kicked off.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's college football, and.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
Leading up to it, there might be some things where
you think, oh, well, they know we do this, or
but we also know what they do and the reality
is when the ball snap, you still got to stop it.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
So I don't think it changes that much.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
You gotta stop it. The familarity. Look, there's so many variables.
Even though there is familiarity with the staff, So many
variables contribute to play calls, implementation of scheme as well
as personnel.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That being said, I do think in.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Critical times, critical plays, you wonder if there are certain
tells like unto like the game of poker, right when
you get stressed, when you're under the gun a bit,
if there are certain tells from a qualitative and quantitative
standpoint that they can like say, I know what Jay,
(06:57):
I know what Jason, I know what Kai or Morgan
Scalley is going to do in this situation. He doesn't
elaborate on that, but I do think there's an element there.
There's a certain amount of familiarity, not only from a
personality standpoint, That's what I'm talking about. They know what
they've done, typically over a decade or more of data
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points of what they do in critical, high pressure situations.
And we all know that the byu Utah Holy War
is typically decided by one score, especially in the modern era.
Over the last thirty years nineteen times, sorry, thirty one games,
nineteen times has this game been decided by one score,
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eight or less points? Right, So it comes down to
a final possession in this game, you know, almost seventy
five percent of the time. So I do think there
is a familiarity there with high pressure situations that you're
going to have to keep track of. Final thing from
Jay Hill, how would you assess this ar offensive line?
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Best offensive line in the country is what they tell me,
So it's a great challenge for us. I think they
are very talented. They're obviously leaning on those guys to
keep the offense productive. I like the matchup. I like
where our defensive line is at and how we're getting
better and better. So that will be a huge component
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in this game, is just how the defensive offensive lines
match up on both sides of this.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
There you go Dad.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Look, I remember in twenty twenty one when the curse
was finally broken when BYU finally got to win at Lavelle.
In the post game, Kyle Whittingham's commentary was very intriguing
to me. He says like, I would have never guessed
that Utah our team was going to lose the trench
warfare battle, that we're going to lose the line of scrimmage.
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That's what happened, and so James alluding to it as
well as I've just us the Holy War with former
and current BYU coaches over the last fifteen years, they
time and time again will cite the fact that Utah
was just better upfront offensively and defensively and that's what
led to the victories for the Utes. That's it are
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the offensive line of defensive line up to the task
this year is the question who wins that line of
scrimmage battle. I'm feeling confident, but Utah is a very
good team and there's a lot of motivation right now
for Kyle Whittingham to go out a winner in this
rivalry game. I'll continue to state this. I think much
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of his legacy. I think more so his legacy has
been built off of the dominating. The domination in this
rivalry game more so than the bowl games, the double
digit wins, the top twenty five finishes, That's my opinion,
because he never outside of two thousand and eight, I
don't know if you can make the argument that he
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ever really got over the hup. Yes, he went to
two consecutive Rose Bowls, but couldn't get the win. You know,
the elite nature like putting yourself into the top five
by the end of the year. It's a difficult thing
to do, Okay, it just is. And I don't know
if he ever got over that hump. So I almost
feel like the rivaly game has solidified his legacy more
than any and if he goes out into retirement with
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three straight losses, that may sole leave that legacy just
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Speaker 1 (11:16):
When we come back, we're gonna welcome in show.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
He is the personal trainer and mentor for Jamal Williams.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I attribute now, Jamal is a great player.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
I don't want to take anything away from Jaal, but
I attribut you much of Jamal's accelerated transcending productivity, especially his.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Senior year and beyond to this man.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
We'll get update from him, talk some BYU Football and
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Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's the special edition of the Rivalry Show.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
We got former and current BYU players showing up, Body
Scoon Over Noaho, Jacki, Connor Pay, Jamal Williams. We have
current and future Utah football players showing up, Nate Richie,
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little world oft BYU Sports here with a former Rick
college baller shot collar. He ended up becoming a personal trainer,
our human performance guru. Once upon a time, Jamal Williams
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had to redstret he had been injured. Okay, he exited
BYU UH and and it.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Was a It was a rough time for him.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
He found a mentor, He found a coach in Luke
Khan that helped him through the process. UH refined him,
transformed him. Jamal Williams ended up training with Luke Khan
down in Arizona for an entire offseason and he became
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a monster in two thousand and sixteen. And that's what
we got to enjoy is BYU fans. In my opinion, yes,
because of Jamal, his genetics, his work, ethic, who he was.
But you need mentors in our in your life in
order to maximize your talents and abilities. And Lukhan was
that mentor, that coach. Let's welcome Luke in to this segment. Luke,
(14:04):
how the heck are you? Budd appreciate you being here.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
I'm doing great, Ben, thanks for having me. Great seeing
you again.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Hey, a blessing of pleasure.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I know we like to text and call and chat,
but it's great to see you in person. I apologize
because I'm I'm suffering through this cold that's been going around,
so I'm popping, uh you know, my my cough drops
and drinking as much water.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But man, appreciate you being here to support.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Locals, to support these uh these uh former cougars, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And uh, it's just a blessing to have you.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Luke.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
This baile your football team has been fun to watch,
hasn't it.
Speaker 7 (14:37):
It's been great, man, It's amazing. Every week it's something different.
There's never there's never a boring time watching them. It's
always excitement. It always keeps you on your seat, whether
they're on offense or were they on defense or special teams.
It's always something that they're pulling out of the out
of their hat like a rabbit half something.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
From uh you know, you know these coaches, you know
some of the players as well from your respect there. Like,
what stands out to you about the Kilani Shaitaki era.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Obviously Jamal came in right.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
At the beginning of the Kilani era twenty sixteen and
he took the world by storm in twenty sixteen, one
of the best running backs in college football.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
But what stands out to you about the Kilani era?
Speaker 7 (15:19):
I think just experiencing being up at BYU and working
out with Jamal up there, I think Kilani gives you
that vibe of it's all one hundred percent of family,
doesn't matter how long you've been removed, and you're always welcome,
and that you don't find a most institutions, if at
all any So for me, it's just wonderful knowing that
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you know, we can go up there and the door
is always open. Whatever you need, just go ahead and
ask for it or get it or whatever.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
We can help you however we need to.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
So I think I see a lot of that understanding
where these players they cling to that, and they a
lot of these players, some of these players they want that.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
They want that love away from home.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
And if you're coming you know, say from Chicago or
from you know, Arkansas or somewhere, and you leave your home,
you have that family right here in Probo and it's
not just there. It's like crumble, you know, you have
these different outreaches people that want to help you feel
more comfortable and feel at home. So I think it's
really great. And then you can't beat the mountains, man,
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There's no one's talking the mountains right now. You can't
beat that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It's beautiful, man. It's a it's a beautiful place, no
doubt about it. But it takes that extension of family.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
You need coaches, Everyone needs coaches, Everyone needs mentors. You
became a coach, you became a mentor. You were a
football player. You knew the impact that mentorship and coaching
had in your individual life. Your personal journey is h
is unique, right, and and so you've given back because
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of the impact that coach Han specifically provided to you
when you were at Ricks, when you were a ball,
when you got recruited, you know, from your home state
to go out to.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And Rick's Junior college.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Expand on that a little bit how important family and
coaching and mentorship was to you, and how you've tried
to give back in that regard.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
For me, it was very moving and you got to
you gotta, I gotta apologize because it's a little bit
you know, clutching in my throat. My dad or at
the time was my college football coach at Rich College,
and you know, I was a kid that came from
a very very abusive background and no one cared and
no one loved me. And to have that person be
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my role model for so long from nineteen eighty six
and then finally adopting me as his son, and you know,
it meant the world to me because I've been through
so many things in my life that I had to
go on by myself. Where most kids, they come from
family backgrounds and they have their dynamics that mom, the
dad or an uncle or an auntie or a grandma
or somebody that loves him and takes care of them,
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where from you, I didn't have any of that. So
I had to learn all these lessons on my own,
and then to have him be in my life and
to take the step to want to adopt me, and
to have a mother that loves me, that wants me,
that you know, just wants to hear my laugh and
he wants to see me smile. To come to an
environment like Rick's College, because my dad at the time
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when he was the head coach at RIX, a lot
of the kids would feed him too byu you know,
like the Jay Hills, like the Aaron Rodericks, like the
Justin Anderson's.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
They all fed from They all came from Ricks College.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
So to know the personal relationship that I've had with
these guys and that my dad hasn't impacted me to
have with these young men, to move forward and to
continue to mentor and to keep that legacy name and
just continue to do the things that I know he
would have done, and for him to pass it on
to me, for me to be able to do those
things for those young men, it's a great reward it's
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a great blessing.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, why did you step into that role? How did
you step into that role with Jamal?
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Like?
Speaker 4 (18:56):
How did you get connected to Jamal Williams through his
journey from Byu to the state of Arizona.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
I had a bishop, my bishop at the time in Scottsdale,
in the Mountain View ward in Scottsdale, and he had
reached out to me and he had told me said,
you know, there's a young man that we've gotten a
call from from the church as you from the school,
and I feel that you would be best for him?
Would you be able to would you be would you
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would you take that challenge?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
And I said, well sure?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Who is it?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
So told me the name and I said, okay, sure.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
At that time he had, you know, going through the
injury with the a C L, mcl pcl ankle all
that stuff. So at that point, who wants to be
around that person that that person thinks would want to
be around them?
Speaker 6 (19:42):
No, will no one he normally wants.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
To be around you because you can't if you can't
give them anything, because who you were before is what
they saw. Now they're seeing you at a different level
and that's where that loyalty comes in. So my thing
was I didn't look at any of that stuff. I
just looked at the individual and said, you know, sure,
let's go ahead and.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Let's let's get this thing a a twirl.
Speaker 7 (20:04):
And the time how we spend together, we gained so much,
so much knowledge about one another, so much love and
so much care, and that relationship blossomed into what it
is now is you know, as a parent and a child.
And it's amazing because it shows you how to save
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your works in your life. The things that you never
thought you would do are the things that he most
likely blesses you to accomplish, not just to do, but
to accomplish, and then to see as journey that he's
on right now, you know, in the NFL, you know.
And to have a relationship where I don't want anything
from you, I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Need anything from you.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
You don't need anything from me, you don't want anything
from me, But together we help each other and we
accomplished things together. Not a lot of people may not
understand that relationship. But then again, my dad would always say,
when you're chosen in life, it's a bigger difference than
when you accepted.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
The Savior chooses us, parents choose to have a.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Child, and so for me, I feel like I've been
chosen and he's been chosen, that we've been chosen together
to be together through this process. And it's a process,
but at the end of the day, that's what the
Savior has said for us.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
The transformative powers of.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Discipleship and mentorship, you know, are uh you know, they're
cross generational, right and and you learn through that process.
You've learned through that processing it from your father, coach
on who passed away recently.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
May he rest in peace. He lived a legendary life.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
We celebrate that obviously, and the impact that he had
on many of those players that you mentioned that went
to b YU or ended.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Up at at.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Utah or ended up at any variety of schools and
be producing high level talent, but.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
High high, high quality people. And that's what it's it's
truly about.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
We got Luke here on ESPN the fan coach mentor
developer of people. But specifically you know Jamal Williams, which
Jamal holds a special place in BYU fans are right,
same with Mama Williams, right, like probably two of the most.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I would say.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Favorite people amongst Cougar fans in the modern era because
of the unique personalities that they have, the genuine nature
that they have, and the form of fashion which they
interacted and embraced the Byu community. I mean, you've seen that,
you've experienced that. What makes the Williams family so unique.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
And so special?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I think the I think what makes makes it unique
and special is the fact that you touched on.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
They're just.
Speaker 7 (22:50):
Very, very fun to be around, very energetic, and you
can't say a lot about that kind of stuff. That's
just something that some people are born with and you
can't just practice those things.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
It's just it's just who you are.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
So I think for those type of personalities in an
environment like this, it's welcoming. It's really more of an
adopting because you're adopting that personality. And then you all
of a sudden you see jam All throw the ball
out in the field. You know, you see him out
there dancing. It becomes contagious. You want to start doing it.
I want to come to Byu and I'm want to
throw the ball out like he does. I want to
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come to b Yu and I want to be able
to dance like he matter of fact, I have to
come here to dance.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I can dance in my state. I can dance in
my seat.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
So I think it's very I think it's one of
those things where it's very encouraging, it's very embracing.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, I think he became a legendary player because of
the way he played, There's no doubt because of the productivity.
Arguably the best running back together to ever come through
BYU and the Record City set, but he imprinted in
every BYU fans are a certain love, a certain intrinsic
(24:02):
connectivity between them and Jamal, even though Jamal maybe did
never like really interact with them in an interpersonal way,
but somehow he connected with them and that was very transcendent.
You've seen the the impact that he's made in many communities,
not just the Bau community, as he's gone to all
of these different NFL organizations.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Explain that component too, like the impact that.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Jamal's made at every organization that he's he's ended up at.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I think with the organizations that he's ended up Green Bay.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Starting there, Mike McCarthy was the head coach and Mike
McCarthy drafted him. He was very His impact was felt there.
He got inducted into the Bookie Hall of Fame there.
He had a great career there. He went on to Detroit.
Dan Cavil and him were, you know, pretty much hand
in hand with what they were doing building that product,
building that program to what it is now, and for
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him to be a part of that was very significant.
Going to New Orleans and then, you know, he enjoyed
his time there. Unfortunately, he had a hamsterring that he
had been dealing with since he was in college, and
the hamstring finally showed himself through his first year in
New Orleans and then he never really could get back
on track there. Going into the communities now where he's
(25:19):
in Mapleton, I use there. He does so much for
that community out there. You know, he'll sign stuff for people.
People will come up to him and I don't want
to bother you, and he said, well, you're not bothering me.
I live here, part of the community. So very he's
very open in that way. People will walk by and
(25:40):
they all say, hey, I see your cats in the window,
you know, because he has cats, and I see your
cat's in the window. And he's like, well, thank you.
Anytime you want to come and look at my cats
or mess what play with him? You come on by.
Speaker 6 (25:50):
So he's very welcoming, very open, and for.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Me seeing that transition take place, it's one of the
because again as a parent, you look at that kind
of stuff and you say, wow, I remember when you
were it this way, and now I see you this way,
and I see the trajectory continuously moving.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Forward and moving up in your benefit.
Speaker 7 (26:14):
So it's amazing to see the young man he is
at thirty years old now than the young man that
he was at nineteen years old, eighteen years old. It's
amazing to see those transitions. It's amazing to see him
go to Scottsdale and interact with people, goes to the
skating rink and talks to people, and goes to the
neighborhoods and pulls people in trash cans in after the
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truck trash truck goes by. And it's just those things
that you don't see on the football field that he
does behind the scenes. You know that people don't understand.
And you know he's in great shape, that's the thing.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
And he works out. He works out every day.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know, I'm hoping he didn't the calls coming maybe hopefully. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of movements going around right now,
a lot of NFL, a lot of the guys obviously
getting hurt.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Yep. For him, it's the thing where you know, he
is in the best.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Shape he's ever been in his entire career, which is scary.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
And there's no hamstring issues anymore.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
You know, everything his mind, mental, he is one thousand
percent different three sixty in his mental preparational, his physical,
his spiritual. I mean, I'll be honest, Jamal, and I
went and got a blessing from his bishop and well
not hiss, he's not a member of the church in
the bishop, that the church that I go to, that
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chan the ward in the forty first ward.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
He got a blessing last Thursday, you know, and that's.
Speaker 7 (27:38):
Amazing to see him making those transitions, those steps to
try to get closer to the Savior and to understand that,
you know, the Savior went through things too, and God
allowed him to do those things, but the Savior also
went back to the Father, and that's where he's at
right now looking at you know, I'm going through certain things.
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Jamal went into the NFL Red Carpet and that's what
him and I was talking about.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
I said, you went into the NFL red carpet.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
You didn't get free agent contract, red carpet, drafted the guy. Sure,
now you're getting ready to understand how the guys that
didn't get your treatment, how they are now, how that
part of the business is. So now you'll have both
sides of the globe to understand. You're going in as
a red carpet. Now you're going in as a free agent,
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and now you've got to play for another couple more years.
And then you walk away from it and say, you
know what, Hey, I've had both ends. I've been on
both spectrums, so I know how if I'm working, if
he's broken up with a young man, Hey, I know
how it feels to be drafted. Hey, I know how
it feels to be a free agent. Now he brings
so much more to the table, So I'm very, very thankful.
I'm very excited for him for his next step moving
forward and playing ball again.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You need that spectrum.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
It gives you a whole lot more gratitude, a whole
lot more perspective, and you can mentor at a higher level.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Indeed, the bitter and the sweet right.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yes, the good the bad, you know it's not bad
though experience, Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Uh and
and look like you know, when I say the good
and bad, it's like it's just the spectrum of like
what's that old adage, the old saying where it's like,
you know, like the Brent off like yeah, that could
be good or bad, you know what I mean, Like
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it all depends and then you know somehow like there's
a there's these these these sequential actions that end up
turning out to actually be good on the back end.
It's just perspective, it's just experience, and there's wisdom.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
In all of it, exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
So lukhn ladies and gentlemen, love and appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Thanks for being here, Thanks for supporting locally, Thanks for
being a part of the community, Thanks for lifting where
you stand. Thanks for mentoring a young Jamal Williams needed that.
And look at look at what you guys have accomplished
together from that time that you guys came together.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It's it's truly to me, one of the.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Best stories of BYU football over the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Right that that that you.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Know, his struggles, his adversity and how mentorship and uh
and support aided him to elevate him to an even
greater height, right to reach new peaks. And so love you,
appreciate you, Thanks for being here here at Crumble.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
We got you some cookies, right, you got that? Hey,
we got to say one thing. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
I just want to say I love my wife, I
love my daughter and Mom. I'll see you in a
couple of hours.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Let's go mom.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Shout out to mom as well. We'll go to break.
Don't go stop by here at Crumble. We'll welcome in
Jamal Williams on the flip side. Get updates from him
as well. Here on your utah ESBN ready to network
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Jamal Swag Daddy Williams. We're gonna get into a little
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Speaker 1 (32:34):
Jamal Williams.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Entered the league in two thoy seventeen with the Green
Bay Packers.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Last year he was with the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Over his career from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four,
he's toted the ball.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
One thoy sixty nine times.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
He's played in one hundred and seventeen games, four one
twenty two yards, gained four yards per carry, thirty two
touchdowns along a fifty eight. He has also been a
boon of ball security. Nobody does it better than Jamal Williams.
What a career. He's the all time leading rusher. I
(33:12):
believe from a former cougar in the NFL and love
that he's going to be joining us here in a moment.
So shout out to Jamal Williams. We appreciate him, love him,
and he'll be joining us here shortly. But as far
as other cougar's in the pros that we've been impressed
by over the years, Taysum Hill, He's back. Shout out
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to Tasum. He's balling out for the New Orleans Saints.
And how cool was it that New Orleans had Jamal
and Tasum in the same backfield. And when you talk
about teams that almost knocked off the utes in that
era of independence, the twenty and sixteen team was tremendously talented.
(33:56):
The twenty and sixteen team was what eight points away
from being undefeated that season, and they were a two
point conversion away from winning that game. Now, many BYU
fans wish they wouldn't have gone for two, They should
have played for overtime, but they were at Reitz Echo Stadium.
What's interesting is this last week BYU's on the road
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versus U of A. Kilani wanted to go for it right,
wanted to do wanted to execute that two point conversion.
A Rod k Pop said no, no, no, let's play for OT.
Let's see if we can get more momentum and OT,
and they did that. Will Farren knocked it through the
uprights forty five yarder and then on the ensuing OT
they were able to ultimately score a touchdown and hold
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U of A and limit them from scoring a touchdown
on that final play. But when you have Jamal Williams
and Taysom Hill in the backfield. You know, I understand it.
I understand why you want to go for two. But
that twenty sixteen team came up one point short, couple
yards short in the rivalry game, and that was tough.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
It was a tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
This rivalry game has been one of the most competitive
rivalry games in college football over the last thirty one years.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Nineteen of these games.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Have come down to one score okay, eight points or
less BYU during that time the last thirty one years
has only won twelve times.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Utah has won nineteen times.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
But when you look at the aggregate competitive nature of
this game, you see it and you know that this
game once again is going to be a close one
BYU versus Utah. Under the lights of Lavelle, It's going
to be a great one once again. Utah is favorited
in this game, Okay, three and a half. What's interesting is,
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even though Utah is a three and a half point favorite,
over under is actually a little bit higher than it
has been the last couple of weeks. Forty nine and
a half is where it's at, and but ESPN Analytics
right now is giving.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It essentially a coin flip.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
It's interesting BYU is actually slightly favored per ESPN Analytics
fifty point nine percent. This is a fifty to fifty game.
This is a coin flip game. The utes are five
and one, two and one in Big twelve Play. They're
twenty third in the nation BYU six and OHO in
on the season, three and OHO in Big twelve Play,
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and fifteenth overall in the AP Paul six pm kickoff
October eighteenth, It's going to be a sellout. It is
a sellout. Crowd fifty nine degrees at kickoff, clear skuys.
You wonder though, will there be You know? Is that
I hope the field has been covered all week because
we've been getting a decent amount of moisture leading up
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to kickoff. UH and hopefully that that that that field
has been.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Covered so that the grass is and the turf is
ready to go.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Couple of stats here as we get your prep Get
you ready for this BYU Utah game BYU moved up
in both poles on Saturday, coming in at number fifteen.
As I mentioned in the AP top twenty five and fourteenth.
In the AFCA coaches poll. BYU is actually thirty two
to nine under head coach Kialani Shataki when playing as
a ranked AP team. The appearance in the AP Pole
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is the two hundred and ninety sixth overall by the
Cougars in program history, which is tied for thirty fourth
among all teams overall. Four Big twelve teams are currently
ranked in the AP Top twenty five with Texas Tech
and number six BYU fifteen, Utah twenty three, and Cincinnati
at twenty four. The Cougars are thirty four and sixty
(37:36):
nine and one versus ranked opponents. So you looked at
that ranked opponent record, you're like, man, this is difficult.
But BYU is nine and thirteen against ranked opponents under Shataki,
So they've gotten better under coach Kalani Shatakia when they
are ranked by wu's last win against a ranked team
was over number twenty three in the Alima Bowl last season,
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so pretty impressive.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Under Killannie, they are better.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
As I mentioned when Kilanie came in to his head
coaching role at Uyu, I said, as a young coach,
he was forty years old. He just turned fifty. Happy
birthday to Kilanie. He turned fifty this last week. I said.
The ceiling is higher with Kilani, but as a young
coach you learn a lot of different things. The floor
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may be a little bit lower, and I think that
that's been accurate. In twenty seventeen, they struggled after guys
like Taysom and Jamal and many others graduated and moved
on to the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
But since then we've seen the gradual rise.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Since twenty twenty, Kilanie has put together double digit win
seasons time and time again. And once again he's doing that.
It has never been done back to back years starting
six to zero. That's what Klanie did and is in
year three now of being a part of a power
conference and so bigger to Killane and his BYU Cougar
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football team can't wait to see what they can do
versus the Utes now. In order for them to beat
the Utes, though, we gotta highlight what BYU and Utah
do well. It's the run game. BYU has another possible
great in the making in LJ. Martin.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Running back l J.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Martin was named the Big twelve Offensive Player of the
Week after a career high one hundred and sixty two
yards rushing with one touchdown on twenty five carries at
u of A and bear Bachmer hasn't been too shabby
either running the football. He was named the Big twelve
Freshman the Week for the third consecutive week and fourth
after leading BYU to a comeback victory versus U of A.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You wonder you watch LJ right, you've been watching him
over the last two years.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Can he become heralded like the great running backs that
have come through BYU over the last thirty years or so,
Jamal Willy being one of those, tyler Ow's year being
one of those. Luke Staley, Harvey Unga right, think of
all the great runnings. We used to be called quarterback
you and we've had so many great quarterbacks come through BYU.
(40:13):
But in the modern eras you know, post two thousand
and one, you've had many NFL running backs Luke Staley,
Like I mentioned, Harvey Unger, Curtis Brown was in there too,
a former BYU great that toted for a lot of yards. Obviously,
Jamal after that from twenty twelve to two thousand. In
(40:34):
sixteen he came in as like a seventeen year old
pup and became a grown man in balld out for
Brigham tyler Ow's year.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Currently in the league and he's killing it.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I wonder what tyler Ow's year's potential is going to
be in the National Football League. He's got great potential,
looked really good this past week, and he's gonna be
up for his second contract, which is big, right, this
is the money making contract. He's got fifty three carries
on the year, one hundred and eighty seven yards, almost
averaging four yards per carry, three touchdowns. But he had
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maybe his best game of the season this last week
versus Buffalo, So shout out to Tyler Azier. But by
is gonna have to run the ball effectively versus this
University of Utah defensive front, and you wonder, this is
the most formidable defensive front that b Wys face all
season long, and they're gonna have to prove themselves. This
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offensive line is gonna to prove themselves versus some of
the best in the country.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Let's take a brief time out.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
We'll come back with former BYU great Jamal Williams. He
showed up supporting the community, supporting former Cougars that are
running businesses here. He's now at least momentarily living in
the Great State of Utah training here down in Mapleton,
being a part of our awesome community and we appreciate him.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He's been at some of the BYU games.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
I imagine we're gonna get to see him again at
Lavelle Edwards Stadium for the Holy War in twenty twenty five.
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