4-7-25 - Hour 3 - How will the NIL house settlements affect BYU Athletics?

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the hotline. Welcome in the one the only college football insider,
and I would say also how settlement insider. Let's welcome
in Matt Brown of Extra Points. Matt, how that g

(01:03):
are you man? Thanks for joining us, Hey, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
It is my pleasure.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
It's a big, big news weeks here on my beat.
But happy to be spending I'm just happy to be
spending a little bit time with you.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Hey, Always a pleasure talking litigation house settlements with you.
Give us an update, man, this was the day April seven.
It's supposed to be the day when everything was approved
and the student athletes would would be paid TV revenue
distributed by the athletic departments of the respective athletic departments.

(01:37):
What's what's the latest on the house settlement?

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah, I wrote about this a couple of days ago
that more people that have argued in front of this
judge and have been around these kind of cases, you
know what, we're trying to reset expectations to ads and
other folks, like, hey, today's the day of the hearing,
but probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Going to be the day that there's a final decision.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
And then Judge Wilkin one of the very first things
she says in the hearing as there's you know, a
thousand reporters crammed in on zoom and slowing everything down,
is I'm not going to rule from the bench today.
So they're all still talking, right, now, but there's not
going to be anything completely done and dusted today. The
ruling could come at any time.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
No man knows the hour right.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
It's probably going to be in like the next two weeks,
and and typing everything up and issuing decision that could
be in two days, could be next month, probably going
to be in the next twoish weeks. And the expectation
remains that even though there were a lot of people
that objected to this settlement and the judge has some
meaningful concerns, the most likely outcome is that this is

(02:42):
still approved. Athletes start getting checks in July, and then
we have other people suing in. This process will begin
again a couple months after that.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. What's going down. Do you
think that this is going to be approved? Do you
think it's going to move forward? Do you think there's
going to be something different? And it seems like the
judge is I think I read up on like six
or seven different tenets that she's put out. It seems
like she feels like collected something that we've talked about
collective bargaining agreements should be executed rather than something like this.

(03:14):
A ten year agreement is a little bit too long
that locks in the current student athletes and even the
most immediate student athletes in the future, to an agreement
that may be changed.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
I think one of the most important things I've learned
as a non lawyer who has found himself writing way
more about law and antitrust than I could have ever
expected when I started. I think one of the most
useful things I've learned is like when you go to court,
sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. You can't completely
always predict exactly what.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
A judge or a jury is going to do.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
But this is Judge wilkins last case before retirement. If
there were some really existential concerns with the settlement, it
is more likely that those.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Would have been addressed earlier.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
And even though there were lots of europe Right concerns
raised about how long this settlement might be in effect
or athletes that are currently in fourth grade may be
bound to this in some capacity. With collective bargaining be
better or easier, Yeah, but you can only rule on
the agreement that's in front of you, and there's I
think some limited flexibility about what can be approved and

(04:27):
what can so As best as I know, as of
right now. You know, talk to me again in three hours, right,
But as of right now, I still believe the most
likely outcome is that this has approved but invites further litigation. Right, Like,
if you are an ad or a commissioner, and your
hope was that once this thing's approved and finalized and
the checks start printing, that we're done with this and

(04:48):
we could just focus on sports.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now, that's not how this gon go work, my friend.
This is going to invite lots of other litigation.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, there's the money component, which is maybe the most
important element in all but also I'm intrigued by the
roster cap, and without a ruling here, it seems like
the one oh five is not going to be in effect.
It seems like without a ruling, at least for the
time being, there's no roster cap.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
So even even with the ruling, if you don't have
to get to one oh five for football like tomorrow, yeah,
I believe you.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Have until pretty late in the summer.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
That is the centerpiece of a lot of athlete objections,
and Judge Wilkin even kind of mentioned over the course
of the conversation today that you know, maybe it would
have been better or it would be better if there
could be a grandfather clause where existing walk ons don't
have to be terminated, and then you just don't admit
new ones, and so in a year or two or three.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Everybody's down to one oh five.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And to me, I think that's the most sensible.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
I don't view these roster limits as the cornerstone of
this agreement in the NCAA Council apparently agrees, well, we'll
we'll have to see the chances of Wilkin not clarifying
or issuing a ruling until like June are extremely small.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
You know, if if.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
We're likely to get some kind of you know, answer
this month about what's happening with the house settlement, Matt,
I would I would expect I would expect a one
oh five roster limit as the most likely outcome.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Matt Brown, college football insider representing extra Points here on
ESPN the Fan. Matt, what else have you been working
on over at extra Points that you could lay on
us right now? I know this has been taking up
some of your bandwidth, but you've been delving into a
number of of uh OF I would say minutia driven

(06:47):
uh college athletics topics that you typically do.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Yeah, so I think I think there's two things I've
been working on that may be of interest in this market.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know, one of them came out today. I want
to careful of my words. I don't want people to
scream at me here in Utah County, but this drops today.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
I think it's important for fans and consumers to realize
that if federal trade policy is changing dramatically and we're
throwing thirty forty percent tariffs on everyone, that is not
just going to make coffee and bananas more expensive, or
potentially automobile is more expensive. It will absolutely impact college athletics,

(07:25):
which I think, on the surface, sounds like it would
be counterintuitive, right because college sports happens in the United States,
it doesn't happen.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
In Japan or China.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
The events are all here, most of all the universities
are here. But you know, as somebody who has to
go through people's budgets and their financial.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Garbage for a living, I think people.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Need to realize how many other components that make the
industry work come from overseas. Right, you have an athletic
apparel contract with Nike or under Armour or Adidas. Almost
all of those shoes, almost all of the T shirts
and the performance where that's manufactured in Asia, mostly Vietnam,

(08:06):
also China, also Bangladesh, also a couple of other countries.
Those things will become more expensive because they can't be
immediately shifted here. If you're building a new arena, if
you're renovating a locker room, making changes to a stadium.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Many of the materials that are.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Used in raw construction come from overseas, particularly lumber or
the lumber that's more from Canada, but they come from
outside the country. The cost of those raw materials will
go up, or some of the industrial machinery needed to
actually build huge things like stadiums become more expensive. It
can become more difficult to fundraise if you're in a

(08:42):
market that is tied to one particular industry. So I
say all of this is like, there's a lot I
don't know if BYU was planning on doing, but a
lot of other P four markets before tariffs were signaling
we're gonna raise ticket prices because we've got to pay
for all this house stuff. We gotta pay for revenue sharing.
We're gonna slap the ticket surcharge on you. If we're
still doing this tariff stuff in two months.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
I would expect.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Ticket prices and a lot of college sports stuff to
become meaningfully more expensive before the start of the season,
to supplement the holes and athletic.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Budgets that are happening.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Like that's we can.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Debate whether that's good or bad.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
That's fine, but we should also be cognizant of the costs,
and there are going to be costs in college sports.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Indeed, there will be Matt Brown extra points here on
ESPN the Fan talking some college athletics, college football. Matt,
couple last things before we let you go, appreciate you
spending some time with us today to delve into all
the knoks and crannies here.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I want to talk BYU for a moment.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You came down to BYU this past season to take
in all the sites, the sounds, got a feel for
where BYU's heading in the athletic world. BYU's nil health
in basketball has been pretty bust. They just made it
to a Sweet sixteen. It sounds like they're willing and
ready to go all in on athletics to a degree,

(10:06):
at least their donor bases welcoming in a g de Bonsa,
and it seems like BYU football is not going to
be too far off. They just received a commitment from
Brock Harris tight End out of pine View. Give me
your thoughts, your commentary, your opinion on where BYU stands
in the in the greater athletics world, and how they're

(10:29):
trending to be a team that wants to maybe use
athletics as at least their donor base, and maybe even
the institution itself as possibly an ambassadorial tool for their institution,
and maybe as an extension of that the LDS faith.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
I think what is really what's more fascinating to me
about BYU and nil is, and I don't believe BYU
has said this in public yet or even if they will,
is how they tends to break down their twenty or
so million dollars that they can distribute as part of
this house settlement their institutional salary cap, if you will,

(11:09):
And most commonly what other A four P four schools
are doing is generally setting aside seventy five percent of
that budget for football, fifteen percent or so for men's basketball,
five for women's basketball, and then everything else gets split up.
But the calculus has to look different for different schools,

(11:29):
especially given what sports they actually sponsor, and given that
BYU has is competitive in lots of different sports, and
a small amount of revenue sharing could.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Potentially go a pretty long way.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Given how cheap tuition is at BYU, I wonder if
there's not going to be maybe a little bit more
money invested in, say volleyball, or in other sports, and
maybe a little bit less in a place like baseball,
where bus historically it's probably probably further away from being competitive,
then maybe then they aren't some other sports in the

(12:03):
Big twelve and reshuffling that.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
I think that's interesting.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I've had this conversation with a couple other schools, like
as an example, there's there's a you know, Wisconsin in
the Big Ten is going to set aside some of
that money to pay for their women's hockey program, which
just won the national championship and has been elite. Their
women's volleyball program, you know, it brings in ten thousand
fans a match, and as very very very competitive, They're

(12:30):
gonna spend less money on women's basketball, which is probably
gonna be hear in the bottom of the Big Ten
to pay for those things South Carolina is not going
to be spending money on women's volleyball because Don Staley
needs all that money.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And that's not a criticism like.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
I give that money to Dawn too.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
She's competing for.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
Championships with it, right So, I don't know what that
calculus looks like at BYU. And I think it's an
interesting question about like, does your recruiting pool for football
change that much if you give sixty five versus seventy
five percent of that money to football, given that you're
kind of limited with the people that you can be

(13:06):
going after here.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Anyway, I don't know the answer to that question.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
And and the tricky thing is nobody really knows right
now to what extent donors are going to be able
to step in over the cap. And and that's going
to depend on not just the settlement, but who enforces
this and and and all right now everybody can just
sort of guess.

Speaker 7 (13:30):
Yeah, Matt, I wanted to ask you about, you know,
collective bargaining. You know, is that illegal in some states?
And if so, then how would the NCAA be able
to work around those laws in this house versus NCAA
court case? Utah, I know is trying to outlaw collective
bargaining agreements or amongst the government workers.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right now, I'm just interested in that.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's it's a it is a very good question.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
So and you're right, there are a handful of states
that do not allow for collective bargaining for public employees.
I've seen Utah moving in this direction. South Carolina is
one of these. You generally find that states in the
Southeast are much less union friendly, particularly for non police
officer public employees, than states in the upper Midwest and

(14:18):
the Northeast.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
A possible workaround to this is.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
In a world where athletes could collectively bargain and were
deemed employees, but we're not deemed employees of the school,
were deemed employees of a conference or of a third
party athletic association, So then they wouldn't be public employees
and get participant in collective bargaining, just like players on
the Utah Jazz can't collectively bargain with the NBA for

(14:42):
labor rights because they're members of a private company. But
the dynamic that you're describing is one of the many
reasons why trying to build labor peace in college sports
is extremely complicated. It's not just a question between the
athletes and the NCAA. It's a question for fifty different

(15:04):
state houses of very different labor laws, who have federal
labor laws, of higher education laws. And also there's no union,
so there's no one, there's no one to negotiate that
CPA with right now. None of the athlete advocacy organizations
have you know, more than a couple of hundred members.
There's there's ten, there's ten thousand plus FBS football players alone.

(15:25):
Couldn't you couldn't win a union election with it with
such a small membership. So the long answer to your
very good question is I don't know, and anybody that
really does know is not telling the truth because there's
there's there's just a lot of unanswered questions.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Matt.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
The most important question that you can answer for us
right now is who will be the next athletic director
of Brigham Young University?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
And why? Will it be internal? Will it be external?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Higher? What's your gut tell you? What do you hear
and out there in uh me, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
I have, I I you know, I've I've I've turned
it down, I've gotta, I've gotta it works as a
three days double here right now. Uh, and in beautiful,
beautiful Chicago, I've probably you know, have some beverages in
the garage freezer that would probably you know, from being
considered to.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Be totally honest, to be to be honest with.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
You guys, I have not heard very much about this
over the last couple of weeks, which is not surprising because, uh,
the sponsoring institution is one that's usually pretty good at
keeping secrets despite us nosy people here. What I know
is pretty similar to what I know from from the
last time. Right, You've got you've got three internal people
that have the credibility and have the experience and the

(16:44):
potential interest in this role, and you have a mandate
to also talk to a very expansive list of people
that not only do not work for by U, but
do not currently work in college athletics. If I had
to bet, which I think would be kind of ironic,
heading on who's gonna be the ad at YU, like
that should put you on a federal watch list.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
But I think I think it's the most.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Likely person is probably Santiago, But it would not surprise
me if I get a press release in my email
sometime in the next eight weeks, and it's a name
that I absolutely have never heard of in my life
from somebody that worked in entertainment law or corporate law
or professional sports or I don't know, like the Hinkley

(17:28):
Law Firm or something, or not not Hankley, the Maconukeey
Law Firm or something.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
There's a lot of people I don't know. I only
know the people in college sports, and that's that's not
a very big list from people who could take this job.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Matt Brown.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Ladies and gentlemen always appreciate our time together, Matt. Best
way to support you what you do, how you do
it for all of our listeners.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
What a great question.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's my favorite question that that people ask.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
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how BYU is helping them share their faith. Kianu shares
his story on coming to BYU and how his faith
in Jesus Christ help play an impact and the impactful
role on that decision. So many people say, well, you
can go out and bear testimony, make an impact on

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all these other universities. That's been that's been the rhetoric
whenever an LDS recruits chooses.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Notre Dame or USC or Oregon or one of these high.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Level institutions playing really good football, right high level football,
the rhetoric that they're gonna make a greater impact at
that particular institution with their high level of play and
their their ability to intersect and integrate into that community.

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I think there's a strong argument for that, But I
also think there's an extremely strong argument for going to
BYU and representing the institution that as an extension is
an extension of the Latter day say faith, and so
being capable of being able to have a platform to
discuss these things, I think is powerful and I think
the world will end up seeing it.

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without further ado, let's get to connect Keanu ton of
Vaso's comments and his journey to be Yu.

Speaker 6 (22:08):
You know, Chase's is my faith and my testimony is
nothing without the mention of the name Jesus Christ. He
is my everything. There is a part of this section
that I was reading, and.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
It was just so beautiful.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
I don't know if I'll be able to find it,
you know, and for the sake of time, I don't
need to go look. But his understanding supersedes my own,
and I don't understand it a lot of the time.
But I know that, similar to these men, if I
just go and do and I have faith on his name,
I'll be enough. And it will be enough because I'm
trying to.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Follow his will.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Again, I love that scripture that you pointed out. Connor
of you know whatsoever we will doing his will, he
will guide us and give us the comforter to go
forth and to live. A lot of people know my story,
but it's hard to give them the depth of it.
I didn't understand why I was coming to be yu.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I did it.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
I wanted to stay at the U. I fought with
my fiance and argued with her and was contentious, and
I was like, this is what I've always dreamt of,
and this next year is gonna be my you know,
such a huge year, and I get to represent the
school that my dad played for. I wanted that, and
the Lord said, you're right, it can be great. But
I have something. I have a work and a wonder

(23:23):
that you don't understand. And I want to bring to
pass your ability to be more than a football player,
to find ways to add value to my gospel, to
the opportunities of me bringing to pass the immortality and
eternal life of man. And that is my testimony that
I am nothing without him. There's nothing in my life

(23:44):
anymore that I'm trying to maintain within my life that
is not connected to my testimony of the Savior and
the will of the Father. That's all I want to
live for now. The money is nice money, championships. I
want the championship for BYU, but it my goal is
how many lives can I truly bless here? How can

(24:04):
I be the best version of me in the will
of the Father and testifying of the Savior, because they're
everything to me and they will become everything to you know,
to this world in a matter of time. But if
I can get people prepared before then, then that's my
my goal. I love my Savior and and that's who
my testimony is in the name of Jesus Christ, name man.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Look, I think.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Navas at Utah had a platform, did he not?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Was he his team captain? Yeah? He had a platform.
His team captain.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Team captain could say and do what he needed to do.
He could lead how he wanted to lead. He can
podcast how we wanted the podcast. Now, I'm not saying
that that he didn't bear testimony. He didn't you know,
bear witness of of his uh you know his convictions, right,

(24:59):
but but uh, I do think that there's a there's
one of the main reasons why he came to be
is because he wanted to be himself. He said he
felt like he needed to embrace who he was.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
At a deeper level.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I think this is part of it, like being able
to like just comfortably just bear testimony without fear of
like misalignment secular versus versus versus religious and having UH
an institution of higher learning that does embrace the spirituality
and you want to ReLit Christ, it helps.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
It helps.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
So look, I don't I don't feign to believe that
that b y U is for everybody and not at
Bay is perfect for every LDS recruit, but or LDS
football player, basketball player, or student athlete. But I will
say that if you if you have a conviction of
your faith and you really want to be able to

(26:00):
express it without fear of repercussion, it's it's a good
choice because you're gonna be embraced by the greater UH
BYU and LD's population because of it.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
They're going to celebrate that for the most part. Some don't.
Some don't want that anything, don't want anything to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
But I are you seeing You're seeing I I've talked
about this before. You're seeing not only a resurgence, a
resurrection if you will, of faith centered rhetoric, Christ centered
rhetoric in the sports world. Right You're seeing that everywhere
I mean you're seeing that in the NBA. You're seeing
the NFL more so mostly probably in football more so

(26:39):
than even the NBA. I would say it's more so NFL.
It's college. You're you're seeing this this uh frank and
forthright messaging about their faith, especially christ centered faith, and
you're watching by you also embrace faith in there, I

(27:01):
think own ambassadorial way and and and they're not shying
away from it. And I appreciate that. I I really do,
because I've talked about it a lot on this show.
I think it's a good thing. You got to own
who you are, just embrace who you are. Everybody wants
authenticity in this world, if it's a it's a product,
a service, media influencer, Like, everybody wants authenticity.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
They don't want anything fake.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
No more fake, no more fake news, no more fake personalities.
Don't just be fake just to make hey right, Like
in the you're seeing kind of the subterfuge, this this
uh toppling sometimes of like even the entertainment world, like
we're like, oh, our actors when they aren't acting, and

(27:49):
all of a sudden they start speaking outside of their
actor role.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Like I don't know if we don't like them.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
We don't like them all that much because we don't
want to be you know, we don't want we want
to be maybe fooled on on stage, but and you know,
we don't want you to be inauthentic off stage anyway.
It's it's a it's an interesting dilemma that we have
societally speaking. And uh, I just feel like the authenticity
is what you need to embrace at BYU, and I

(28:15):
think by US institution is doing that right now. And
you're hearing it from the student athletes that are flag bearers.
These are flag bears of the institution. These are the
you know, I don't know how many different influencers are
coming out of BYU right now from a student standpoint.
We just won the national championship in landscaping. I don't
know if we've got some influencers amongst the landscapers and

(28:36):
are making an impact in the landscaping world.

Speaker 7 (28:39):
Only you know, I don't know, Like a I could
tell you that from what I've known. And this is
because a lot of my teammates did this.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I know it.

Speaker 7 (28:47):
Spin On top of landscaping, the construction management program at
BYU has been phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I know, reason has been great placement.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
What I'm saying is like, like we view athletes as
these flag bears the institution.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, but there are other flag bears at the institution.

Speaker 7 (29:03):
And that's my point, Like there are other people thriving,
Like okay, flag bears b YU been. I was in
Newark and I ran into you know, I was talking
to submission friends. We had the opportunity to meet up
and I met a guy who graduated from the finance program.
It just got down working on Wall Street, right, Like
think about that, Like again, by you accounting and financing
flag bears in their own way, Like we have to

(29:24):
talk about that, Ben, Like that doesn't go unnoticed, right,
Like the communications school of BYU is one of the
best in the state. Lots of people that have been
pr for WNBA, people who are ABC seven in New York,
Like there's there BYU has his flag bears all across,
not just student athletes. Student athletes have done their thing,
but like you said, there are other programs that have

(29:44):
done A global supply chain is a top ten program.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right. My wife got a degree from that part.

Speaker 7 (29:48):
Like there's multiple across whatever you're whatever I'm gonna connect
to the conference. People don't like when we go spiritual,
but I'm gonna go spiritual here. Elder Uchdorff said, don't
leave the ideal because the idea might not be working, right,
And I look at that of that, there's a place
for everybody at b YU. Like you said, you fit

(30:08):
in right. You are unique in your own way. You
deserve to be here. Something I heard from classes, don't
fit in, fit out, And that's what BYU is. There's
a b you don't fit in at b YU, Like,
don't try to fit in. We all are members of
church like fit out, be different, right, and we everybody
has a cup of tea. Like when you hear Keanu

(30:30):
ton of AASA, I think future general authority. I had
to go that far in those things. But like he's
so the next vice to be honest, right, and he's
so powerful of a speaker. Right, you really hear his testimony,
but you also hear that testimony from other students, right.
And that's what makes BO you so special is you
can find a Keanu ton of Asa in the accounting program,

(30:51):
in the financial program, the globe supply chain, and the
journalism program and the pr program in advertising what you
graduated and then.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
You can find it in the education McKay school.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
Right everywhere there is someone like a Keanu Tonavasa.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
They are flag bearers.

Speaker 7 (31:07):
But we have the ultimate flag bear, and that's our savor,
Jesus Christ. And if we follow his example, if we
strive to be like him, we're not perfect, are from it.
But through the atonement of Jesus Christ, we have the
opportunity to be resurrected one day.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
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of the day coming out of Brigham.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
What do you say? I think some of the.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Biggest news okay today is the recruiting news that four
star six foot six, two hundred and thirty pounds tight
end out of Pineview High School, Brock Harris, has committed
to the BAYU Cougar football team for the twenty twenty
six class. I believe this is a commitment that there's
gonna be an initial domino that brings in more or

(34:33):
maybe even five star recruits to BYU for the twenty
twenty six class. It's a special class comprised of some
of the best LDS athletes in the country, and by
the way, many of them are here in the state
of Utah. Really nice prospects so far. You've got some

(34:56):
legacy players. Justice Braithwait, the son of a former BYU
running back, chose by over Cala, s U, Iowa State, Kansas,
and San Diego State. You got another last name that
you're familiar with, PJ. Taki Taki Shoney Taki Taki's nephew.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
D N.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Kanelle sweet Wine quarterback dual thread athlete and Brock Harris
to name a few of these high end athletes coming
to BYU. Other names you got to keep an eye
out for, and we discussed this last week. Guys like
Bot Mulitalo. Okay, he's a Oregon commit. Now he's maybe

(35:37):
possibly warming up to Brigham Loan Peak. He's been in campus,
he's visited, He's seen what boy has to offer.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
He looks at himself as an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Could play defensive line and that's what he's been playing
at Loan Peak, but could be a player that can
play both sides. Also, Malachai Lee for star offensive lineman.
Got to watch out for him at a Hawaii. He's
choosing between BYU, Michigan, USC, Alabama, Texas and Georgia. Other
individuals to watch. Two guys that are actually committed to UCLA,

(36:10):
the Pula Twins. It's right Jaron and Keenan watch out
for them. Be what you could flip the script. But
the prize possession of the twenty twenty six class is
Rider Lions five star quarterback pullsom Eye.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
He could be the gym.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
He could be the crowning jewel of the twenty twenty
sixth class. He does have an official visit scheduled. I
believe it's June nineteenth, and that's the caboose of all
of his official trips. Right he's choosing between many schools
like last. I love that you like him being last.
That's the last one. Other players keep an eye on

(36:55):
Jacks Tanner, at Idaho, Lopetimala Cawai Kyawai Akana tight end,
Tymani Purcell, LaMarcus Bell, Prince Williams, Niamma susan Neamayah Colonne,
other prospects that you should keep an eye on. But

(37:16):
the four star tight end at a pine View Brock Harris.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
He's a Domino baby, and a big one at that.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
He states, I always felt super comfortable there. It wasn't
an easy choice, but deep down I knew it's where
I belonged. He's the number sixty seven overall recruit in
the twenty twenty six class according to two four seven Sports,
number five tight end nationally, and the number two prospect
in the state of Utah. Harris does plan to serve

(37:45):
a mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
day Saints starting in January twenty twenty six setting his
arrival on provo for the summer of twenty twenty seven
at sixty six two thirty two forty. He is a
dynamic pass catcher. He can also be an inline tight end.
He's a pro prospect in the making per twenty four

(38:07):
to seven Sports there at the Polynesian Bowl. This was
the scouting report on him. He showed some of the
best hands at the Polynesian Bowl, said analyst Greg Biggins.
He can make tough catches in traffic and has length
hands and advanced route running ability. Harris is the highest
rated tight end commitment in the Kalani Sataka era and
gives BYU serious momentum on the twenty twenty six recruiting trail,

(38:32):
no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
So, I mean, whenever you.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Get a recruit that chooses BYU over the likes of Georgia, Michigan, Miami, Oregon,
in Utah, you got to celebrate, you do. You got
to drink the Utah fan tiers right now.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
Let's be honest. I know.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Russell m R.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Profit Seer and revel Lader said we shall not have
contention on social media. Let's have a little contention on
social media for a moment. You're not You're not fans.
You do not have a contention.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
You're just celebrating if someone's upset.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
So we can drink the tears. The Utah fans can
drink your tears.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
And if you come a commenting on my page, you're said,
I'll drink your tears.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I'm telling you this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I mean, Utah can say that they have recruited, developed,
placed more tight ends in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Right, Yeah, and you got.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Brock Harris, so obviously Brock feels that coach Kevin Gilbride
is the answer to his development. Kevin Gilbride deserves a
lot of credit here. And I know we're given you know,
we're talking a lot about Brock here, but you have
to wonder Kevin Gilbride. His role in this cannot be overstated.

(39:53):
Kevin Gilbride wasn't NFL tight ends coach for a very
long time. And I think he's a great recruiter. I
think he's a great relationship developer, and I think the
guys like playing for him. Many people said when Steve
Clark left that hey, like this, that was the wrong decision.
And granted coach Clark was one of my coaches, love

(40:15):
Coach Clark. I was a little bit devastated by But
when they meant to hire Kevin Gilbright, I was like, Okay,
I can.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
See where they're going with this.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yep, okay, if they want to resurrect, right, I don't
think it's necessary a resurrection. I mean, you look at
Matt Bushman lay in the NFL, Isaac Rex, you know,
record holder all times touchdown receptions for a tight end,
Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Think like that. The tight end position has been like
dead right.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But BA fans have a very high bar, you know
what I mean. So, so I guess what I'm getting
at is is Utah does have you know, uh, you know,
a better pitch right now.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Seemingly than BYU.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
But Gilbride just locked down a four star recruit and
he's changing the way tight ends are being utilized and
maybe developed at BYU.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
So I think the.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Sky's the limit, as they say, and I hope Kevin
Gilbride deserves some of the credit here in the recruitment,
the acquisition, the commitment of one brocras something to celebrate,
no doubt about it. A couple other news and notes
coming out of Brigham This is Basketball News. Per Evan
Sidery of Forbes, Diegor Demon is a likely lottery pick

(41:42):
in the twenty twenty five NBA Draft, but he could
decide to stay at BYU. Demon is weighing a lucrative
nil offer to stay another year and to play alongside
potential twenty twenty six number one overall.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Pick aj De Bonsa.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Demon and De Bonsa would make BYU a title contender
for twenty twenty six. Demon has also posted on his
Instagram this statement, piece of paper and pen is all
we need. Make sense of it, Ronnie, what's going down?

Speaker 2 (42:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It sounds like he's saying piece of paper and pen
is all we need. He's a part of we.

Speaker 7 (42:22):
So apparently in Diegor Demon, he's saying piece of paper
and pen and I'm good.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I don't know what that cryptic message is.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
He's posted a couple of these, you know, right obviously, Uh,
that was one of the first.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He posted.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
Another one been earlier this morning, right, that was over
the weekend. And then he says this now he clarifies.
He says, all I need is a sheet of paper
and something to write with, and then I can turn
the world upside down. And we know that was obviously
said by Frederick Neshe who said that, right, So, Yegor

(42:55):
wants a pen and paper, wants pen and paper, and
he can turn the world upside down if you want
to speculate, obviously saying hey, give me a give me
a deal, and I'll turn the world upside down. Or
he could be talking about the NBA. Give me a
pen and paper and I'll turn the NBA upside down. Right,
it could go both ways. The point is Yegor is
going to turn somebody's world upside down. Is it gonna

(43:16):
be BYU sophomore season with three Gore three YU under
Kevin Young or will it be lottery pick.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Diegor Demon We'll find out.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Brad Crawford of twenty four to seven Sports gives some
love to the BYU Cougar coaching staff here, giving them
a top ten job I guess in the college basketball
This is what he had to say about the bo
your Cougars a newcomer in this year's Best Jobs update
BYU squeaks In given the Cougars signing ve aj De Bonsa,

(43:49):
the number one player in the country for the twenty
twenty five recruiting cycle. It's unprecedented for a program to
sign the nation's most talented player just two years removed
from a wretched.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Season in the West Coast Conference.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
It's true, but BYU has managed to do with expansive
NIO resources. Hopefully they get reprimanded for saying that it's
all nil. Basketball analyst Isaac Trotter mentioned in December that
BYU is entering its golden era in terms of talent
and is coming off a sweet sixteen run in the
NCAA Tournament even without de bonsas available in its arsenal,

(44:26):
without demands available, and its arsenal just yet. So anyway,
it's a collective effort here. It's not just anil. Let's
not get it twisted. But nil plays a role. So
you still need the foundational pieces in place to develop recruit,

(44:49):
you know, make these all these puzzle pieces, the chess
pieces come together in synchrony, in harmony and synchronized fashion,
no doubt about it, all right. A couple of the
reasons why this is what Bay Sports Nation has to
say about this, They are that BYU media entity, they

(45:10):
may have some insight here. Three reasons why yegor deming
Three Gore Deming White may stay number one.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
He's happy here.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Number two.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
He can improve his lottery pick position number three, he
can play with Aj DEVONSA.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Yes, indeed, who who else is coming back?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Though?

Speaker 2 (45:25):
After you would have to assume Richie's coming back.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Richie has not made any announcement, has already made it official.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
I believe that.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Richie's coming back, don't. My personal opinion is he's coming back.

Speaker 7 (45:36):
I don't think Kadema Boob's going anywhere. I think he's
coming back.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Yeah, well, we haven't really seen him, so that's the
unknown there.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But I guys can always enter the portal even if not.
You never know.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Brody Kolslowski, we haven't seen him. We don't know if
he's gonna go, right, We have to talk about that.
Dawson Baker hasn't said anything, but I assume Dawson will
come back. And then outside of that, Ben, there's a
lot of you know, nutritional roster. We know that the
walk Ons, but it might not be walk Ons anymore.
With a settlement in Townsend. Triple Jared McGregor and Max Triplett.

(46:07):
Those guys are over there, right. They haven't said anythings,
so I think a lot of kids want to make
decisions after finals. I know some guys will get it
over with and say it maybe the main players, but
we'll see what else. But there's a lot of still undecided,
like Richie Dawson, jegor probably or your your three big
times who are part of the rotation. Uh And Caba,

(46:29):
Caba for sure is coming back. So you know you
got Keba, you know you got aj there too. Your
starting lineup. You might have to rebuild all of it
or the rest.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
We'll see though.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Some basketball recruiting news, Washington transfer guard Mickay Mason is
receiving interest from the following programs for his agent, Teddy Archer, Texas,
Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Pinch State, Maryland, b YU,
West Virginia, and Clemson. Someone to keep an eye on,
no doubt about it. Really good player, uh with you know,
maybe maybe you got to know Dominique them.

Speaker 7 (47:01):
So connect right now Ben is looking at this, looking
at guard and the next one. Obviously, news notes before
you get to it, they need a guard right this.
Let's even without yegor declaring or for the draft or staying,
you need a backup guy.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
You have no backup guy. You do young.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
You know there's no backupoard about Dawson Baker. We've talked
about this on Oh you know you don't want Dawson.
He cannot run your offense. It's very clear. Look like,
let me let me le. I'm gonna take it back
like I'm I am. I have not been the Dawson
Baker propaganda's by anyways, right you would agree with me there, Yes,

(47:37):
I have not said anything like, but I'll be honest
like the latter, like the NCAA tournament run. I don't
know if he was taking creating. I don't know if
he was taking protein shakes. I don't know if he
was that was that new haircut. I don't know if
he like got on some new supplements or energy energy pills,
whatever they are. He went over to test and peppin
step for sure, bro Bro, he looked better, faster, he

(48:00):
looked faster, He looked better some peppin steps. I'm serious,
like I was just just because he has peppin step
doesn't mean to run the offense.

Speaker 7 (48:07):
He's scoring guard. He's an elite guard with an elite
big man in the pick and roll. Like he can
think about it. He cannot do what.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
See, I haven't even said elite yet.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I'm not even you know you're saying e lite, Like yeah,
but you think about it, what is you think about
running that?

Speaker 4 (48:22):
I just I liked what I saw from Dawson.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I do what I'm saying, but you.

Speaker 7 (48:27):
Need somebody to run it though. Like Dallan could run
the pick and roll when he was with fus Yegor
can do. Dawson cannot do that in a blue and
white game. He was getting stripped by Elijah.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, that that's the blue and white game though.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Yeah, but even but they don't Kevin Young doesn't put
him in that position.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
What I'm saying for him, I just saw progress, yes'
but that's scoring.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
No, he was still had a ball handler on the floor,
and that's the thing. We can have Jonathan Tabinari and
others come, but Dawson's not a ball handler.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
He's a score.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
You run sets for him and he could work off that.

Speaker 7 (48:56):
But as far as him running sets coming down the floor, now,
I'll say this, he's your best guard out of everybody
to break a press, he is, But as far as
like doing what you need him to do, Yegor and
Dallan wise that that's not his skill set, and that's
okay because Kevin I think knows that. But I think
that's why they're going into portal. After all these other

(49:16):
guys who can do that, like Dawson is to me,
can be an elite score.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I think he can.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
I think as far as being that ball handler of
like doing what Dollan and Yegor can do, I don't
think I want to see Dawson in that row.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I don't think that's a strong suit yet.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Look, all I know is that Dollon halls in the portal, right,
and Dawson has not entered the portal yet.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Are recruiting a guard.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
They are recruiting guards, and they've shown a lot of
three guard lineups under Kevin Young. There's been plenty of
times this last year where we saw three guards on
the court at the same time, like three ball handlers.
You know, maybe not like all traditional point guards, but
they all were setting up the offense half court sets.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
You know, Trevin Nell never set up your offense. I
didn't say Trevan I know, but he's on it.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Dawson is your third guard because you can defer him
to go score and take the pressure on he's I
don't think he's a guard that can take the pressure in.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
The last one, two, three, four, five, five games, six games,
six games.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
And you mentioned the scoring.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yes, his scoring was good, but his and he was
efficient fifteen the I would state game he struggled three points, he.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Did, he started having that's a tough matchup for him.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
VCU he had thirteen minutes, seventeen minutes and then twelve
minutes vcu U thirteen minutes. Yeah, we got rob but
he was the best plus minus there Alabama at twelve minutes.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
But like he showed me that he's he's improved. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
We'll see how much athleticism that the strength and conditioning
coaches can get out of him. But I was impressed.
And he's got good size, six four one to ninety
maybe two hundred pounds. We'll see how that progresses. But
we know b YU is going to go out and
get another guard. That's need know if sans but's about it.
I I just you know, Dawson's gonna be a nice

(51:03):
backup point guard, backup guard for b YU next season.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
He hasn't entered yet, which is a good sign.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Right, he's gonna he's gonna take the Dalla Hall minutes.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Yeah, and you have to wonder, it's like, well, that
would make that jump from sophomore year to junior that
he made freshman the sophomore year.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Which would you rather have?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Like doing?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Knowing what you know, would you have would you rather
keep Dawson or keep Dallan? That's that's an interesting debate for.

Speaker 7 (51:30):
Something interesting debate for me personally. The reason why I'm
keeping Dallon over Dawson is because Dallon can run an
offense and proved already and showed that he could run
Kevin Young's Dophins doing that. When I saw Dallen Hall
and Yegor getting foul trump and turnovers Dawson, that was

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a lot to ask him to put on when that's
not his skill set. And that happened for like a
minute and a half, Thank goodness, it was just that.
But I have seen them try to I've seen Dawson
try to run they even going back to Jackson Robinson,
I've seen Dalla Hall and Yegor be able to do
that because the skill set is different. Now, this is
what makes Dawson the lead. When you can put a
Yego or a down on the floor who can take

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that ball pressure and set it up and control and
run the tempo. Having Dawson come out picking rolls pinndows
because when they went on the running Wisconsin downand was
on the floor with Dawson, Dawson doing that in the
pick and roll foos.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Now you have to pick your poison. Well, what are
we gonna do? Do we want to trap?

Speaker 7 (52:29):
Because then Dalla Hall starts sitting threes, You're in trouble,
Like that's the blessing. And that's why you need a
ball handle like Yegor Or with the scoring ability like Dawson,
because Yego can't score like Dawson, but Dawson can't handle
and find the guys that are open like Yegor and
Dalla And that's why them collectively are together.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
So I really want both.

Speaker 7 (52:46):
But if I had to pick, I'll pick Dallan because
I can always find another Dawson Baker. It's hard to
find Dalla Hall. It's already it's easy to find more
Dawson Bakers. It's not easy to find the Yegor Demons
and the Dalla Halls in college basketball.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, we didn't see the improvement statistically from Dallen over
his career that you would like to see the progressional development.
But we'll see where he ends up. Well, Dawson still
may be a.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
Part of the b I think you will. I think
Dawson well. I think what they're gonna do, Ben is
what Kevin Young liked and what he saw. Because here's
the thing you can tell about what the coach says.
Kevin loves Dawson, There's no doubt about that. And if
Kevin can bring in other elite scoring guards, right, that
are gonna draw more attention. And here's here's the here's
the maybe the skill set Dawn didn't have in the tournament,

(53:33):
he didn't score well and that hurt them. And that's
what Kevin Young is going to get, right, And this
is just a factor. Like he airballed in the game
in Alabama. No boy from dyall love him. He's had
great shots. That wasn't a good moment. Right, They're going
to get these scoring guards because if you can put
that with Dawson, Baker and these guys who can pass
and draw this attention, right, and then Dawson can be
left open, that just makes it more difficult, right, Imagine

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if Dallan was giving you been ten to thirteen a
game every single time, b Yu. I'm not gonna say
Alabama game changes, but it makes it more competitive. If
forces a coach to switch, what do all just tell you?
With the basketball football force a coach to make an adjustment,
there was no adjustment that ever needed to be had
because with the pick and roll, you take foos out
the game.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, Dalla Hall, what is he gonna do on on one?

Speaker 7 (54:15):
And I think that is where boy's gonna succeed this
next season is changing the skill set of Okay, now
you got a guard in potentially if it is this
kid that comes right and Mason who he could score
and grab boards. Okay, so what are you gonna do?
You can't double him because he got Dawson. Kevin Young
wants to have everybody be an elite scorer and an
elite what is it, an elite passer of the basketball

(54:40):
because they like to share it. And if you get
this kid, this only enhances Dawson's ability because I mean
it's Ben Dawson. Baker is like one game away from
having like a thirty piece and then I think he
breaks it like right, and when I say he could
become the next Jackson Robinson.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
What bo you had?

Speaker 7 (54:58):
I truly believe that Dawson Baker is the guy. When
he sees the ball going to the basket, it's over
like he gets silk. Which is why is mataw Wisconsin.
Because if he doesn't get kicked out of the Wisconsin game,
he finished with eight points. Man, I think he finishes
like he would have finished with seventeen. I really believe
he'd got nine points down the stretch because they couldn't
get him in the pick and roll and it kept
fouling him down the stretch. That he was so elite

(55:18):
like that because he can go create his own shot.
He can hit the mid range, he can take you
to the basket, he can shoot the three.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
The bag is so big.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Other players that Boyu has supposedly targeted Rodney Rice guard
at a Maryland Schools in contact with Rodney Byu, DePaul Gonzaga, Indiana, Kansas,
Kentucky and everybody else pretty much. But he averaged thirteen
point eight points per game. He was thirty seven percent
from the three point line, two point two rebounds, two
point one fists. Definitely a scoring guard. Byu could use

(55:47):
Big Twelve Basketball News. Big twelve teams have contested four
of the last six national championship games. Texas Tech twenty nineteen,
Baylor twenty twenty one. They got that dub, Kansas twenty
twenty two, They got that dub twenty twenty five, Houston.
Kelvin Sampson coaching perfection late in that game, keeping his

(56:13):
eye on the prize, motivating his team.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
He gave some love to his Big twelve brethren.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I kind of want to play a sound bite, you know,
and if you guys didn't hear it in the post game,
was a good sound club, great sound by Kelvin.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Essentially gave love to Duke.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
He said, Hey, Dukes deserves all the hype, all the
the pomp at circumstances that the pageantry that follows Duke.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
They deserve it all.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
But these Big twelve teams, they're gritty, you know, don't
sleep on Houston, he said. And much love to my
Big twelve brethren, he states, much love forgetting us prep,
getting us right, and they were gritty towards the end
and they got the dub. Congratulations to Kevin Sampson and
the Big Twelve. The Houston Coops go Coogs. BA Baseball

(57:09):
News BAA Baseball lost all heartbreaker to TCU thirteen to
twelve and eleven innings on Friday night in the final
game of the Big twelve three game series at Lepton Stadium.
With the victory, TCU improves at twenty five and eight,
eight and four on the air, while BAU falls to
fifteen and fourteen and four and eight. In Big Twelve play,
BYU scored twelve runs on nine hits. The Batcats were

(57:31):
alive and well, just couldn't slow down the runs from TCU.
Next up, EOA travels to Saint George Saint Jorge, Utah
for a midweek game at Utah Tech on Tuesday, April eight,
at four pm Mountain time at bruce Hurst Field. The
game will be broadcast live on ESPN Plus and BYU Radio.
BAU Softball News. BAU Softball hit four home runs as

(57:52):
it shut out Iowa State thirteen to zero to claim
a series victory. At Cyclone Sports Complex on Saturday afternoon.
The Cougars, who are twenty three to ten on the year,
seven and five and Big twelve play, took a three
to zero lead after the first frame and added an
insurance run in the third on Deck Bay. You will
return home to begin an eight game homestand next week,
starting with the midweek game against Tech on Tuesday, April eighth,

(58:16):
five pm Mount Time on ESPN Plus by Womens Volleyball
Boy Women's Volleyball head coach Atther Olmsted has been named
to the US women's under twenty one national team head
coach for the summer's nor CECA Pan American Games. USA
Volleyball announced on Wednesday, so the PanAm Cup will be

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held in San Jose, Costa Rica from July twenty through
the twenty eighth, with training held July thirteenth through the
nineteenth in Colorado Springs. This will mark Olmsted's fourth consecutive
summer working with USA Volleyball. She coached the under twenty
one squad to a gold medal at the Continental Championship
last summer, and also served as an assas coach for

(59:00):
the twenty twenty three Collegiate National team, twenty twenty two
under twenty one team in the twenty nineteen CNT gold team.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
She's well versed.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
We wish her well, we wish her luck, congratulations, any
thoughts there?

Speaker 2 (59:15):
I almost called you Sean Walker, my bad. Ron, that's
that's kind of disrespectful. That's my bad. That's my bad.

Speaker 7 (59:20):
Dogs definitely a different shade than Sean. I just kid,
we're not gonna get it today. No, I mean this
is will deserved and this is like, this is going
to go down as one of the greatest, you know,
women's basketball coaches on that list right, this is well
deserved from Heather Olmstead. This is one of the best
coaches on the watat's front and any sport if we're
going to be honest, but definitely on the West Coast
two coaching volleyball as well. So this is actly I

(59:42):
put in a request for her. So we'll see if
we are back. We love to hear from Heather. She's
great if we're gonna be honest. Man, we've talked about
multiple times in which program should retain their scholarships, which
programs deserve to have new facilities, who've earned it. Heather
Holmeston and b A Human's volleyball is on that list,
with the.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Rest of them definitely doing great work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
B Willia Men's volleyball Number seven Cougar, the number seven
men's team sealed another win against Number twelve Stanford at
Smithfield House on Friday Night. The Cougars will face the
UCLA Bruins on April eleventh and twelfth in Los Angeles
for its final road matches of the regular season.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
The match will be stream live on the Big ten
Plus Network.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Men's and Women's track and Field shout out to Gretchen
host Gray. She threw BYU's number two all time mark
in the shot puts Saturday afternoon at Triton Track and
Field Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Congratulations to her.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Also, the men's throws group featured Danny Bryant, Payton Williams
and Tyler Pool. They compete Saturday in the shotput. They
competed Saturday in the shotput, Camra throwing, discus events. BAU
Men's and women's track and Field will compete at the
Weaver State in Utah Spring Classic April eleventh to the twelfth.
Friday's competition will be held in Ogden, with Saturdays being
held in Salt Lake City.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
A couple other news and notes here. Alumni news.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Doug Robinson, former BYU star, faired at the inaugural Grand
Slam Track and Meet Track and Track Meet. Excuse me,
Whitney Morgan, The BYU former national champion from peng which
Utah plays fifth and eighth of the three thousand and
five thousand meter runs, respectively over the weekend in the
inaugural Grand Slam Track and Field event in Kingston, Jamaica.

(01:01:19):
Congratulations to her, still doing great work. And finally, big
twelve news Tony Padilla. This is per Pat pat Forty.
Tony Padilla is making his presence. Felt. Can't believe he's
working the final four. Tony Padilla working the final four.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
That's he's a top ten reff acording to Kim Palm. Hey,
he's top five last time we checked. Yeah, yeah, he's
number seven with the five.

Speaker 7 (01:01:44):
Okay, I'm not gonna rant about this because I've already
ranted enough. People are complaining about the Duke foul beIN.
How about the fact that they couldn't inbound the basketball?
Are you're gonna talk about the Cooper flat like that's
that's something to fits your narrative, like and I love him,
He's gonna join our show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I disagree with Jerrem Jordan. It's a by Cooper Flagg.
Is it soft? Yes?

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
Juwant and this is the rule ben according to let alone,
we know Tony put in some people let a law.
He's got them boxed out like this. He goes under
his arm, Ben, and then he pushes to get the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Tim.

Speaker 7 (01:02:12):
So first of all, they wen't gonna get it. Heuton's
gonna get the rebound anyway. So whether you want to
call a foul or not, it was gonna be Houston basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
But it's a foul.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Like Ben, if you're boxing me out and I go
under your arm and I give it and I'm pushing
to get like that, that they're gonna call that every
single time. If you got position, and you gotta think
about it, like you know what football you played, momentum
you're not gonna get certain calls. And this is more
of basketball than football. But if the momentum has shifted,
it's over. So anyway, the point is Huston is just

(01:02:39):
a great team. Ben, Kelvin, Sampson and them are gonna
get there first. Kelvin's gonna get his national championship tonight.
And then I'm I can't wait, and I hope I
don't eat my words because I want to come back
in here tomorrow because I'm done with this. Talk of
the SEC is caught up to the Big twelve. So
I hope Kelvin Sampson them make Walter, you know, Junior
look Minni tonight. I hope they lock him up because

(01:03:00):
this notion that big that SEC basketball is better than
Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I don't know what people are smoking, because that's not
true at all.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Not true, says Ronald the Three Man Weaver.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
All right, any other news or notes, any other topics
we need to broach before before we call this a show, Ronald,
anything you got, I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:17):
Guess just to be spiritual, you know which people don't
like maybe always when we get but I will.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
I've just you've been waxing. You've been waxing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I've been waxing spiritual.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
Well, I won't say this, but I may have may
or may not have had an interaction with someone saying
in my DMS they didn't think I was really active
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I'm not gonna get it to that whole personal thing.
That's for my sake, But anyway, the point is uh.

Speaker 7 (01:03:37):
Ronald the Three Mail Weaver is a active member of
the Churchy's Christ of latterday Saints. Proud member of the faith,
go to BYU and the general conference was great and
the message overall. Like Darniel Dixon said in the second hour,
love your neighbor. Look at it like this, Like everybody's
situation is different. If you're feeling uncomfortable or different about it,
good that means the person is different than you should

(01:03:59):
be like you should thrive in that. Like Ben, you
should not be the same as me, and I shouldn't
be the same as you. And that's what makes the
Church and everything so great in America. We shouldn't use
it as emotion to be uncomfortab. We should use that
as a motion to become more comfortable and love everybody,
because at the end of the day, why would you
want your other brothers and sisters to think the same
as you do the same, act the same, or even
look the same for that matter. And we have a

(01:04:20):
privilege of being in America, a free country, expressing that
with all great minds and great people within the church.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Love it. That's Ronald the Three Man Weaver.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Shout out to Vic, Shout out to Jordan ba Nucci,
Shout out to Martin Kelly and all of our guests
that joined us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
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Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
How about Brock Harra.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
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