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Diego PAVIA exemption. Where does Hinkley standard on this? How
many lawsuits have been filed claiming that, uh, this is
an antitrust issue. They're losing out on money, an opportunity
to make money, and should be deemed eligible because they
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Virginia's Virginia techs Athletic Director to their board of visitors
about how the ACC television revenue distribution really works and
where they see college sports going over the next five
ten years.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Whether that's a split between the.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Power two and everybody else, the Power four and everybody else,
or perhaps a split of some schools that are in
the cool kids club.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
And some schools that are not. I think this is
These are things that.
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Speaker 2 (02:52):
I wish that I could be like the cool kids.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Right, let's talk about Hinkley Upati here for a minute.
Foral Reyu running back. There seems to be a surge
of lawsuits being heaped on the doorstep of the NC
double A requesting eligibility immediately be given to these former
junior college football players. I believe there's upwards a thirty
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plus lawsuits right now. Hinkley, I don't know if he
submitted a lawsuit. He just submitted a waiver. But one
of the chances of Henkley ra Pati getting a year
of eligibility back do you think right now? Learning a
little bit about him, he played juco ball, obviously played
in the Corona virus season. I guess should get that
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year back medical redshirt type of deal as well, he.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Said some season ending injuries.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Give us a breakdown on what's happening with this Diego
Pavian exemption and what your projection is of Heinkley Rapati.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah, I think it's been quite confusing about what sort
of legal precedent was actually established with the Diego lawsuit
and NCLE policy. The best of our understandings, as I've
talked to a couple of law professors and tried to
follow this issue here, is that the precedent set by
Diego is not that JUCO years don't count towards eligibility,
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but only athletes that have an exact same situation as
Diego are given this kind of automatic waiver, which is
you played in JUCO, but you never took a red
year red shirt year, so you're still on the same
five year clock, and that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
For most JUCO athletes.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The NCAA is pushing back really hard in court against
the idea of some sort of you know, universal five
year eligibility or that JUCO years don't count. And part
of what's been complicated to follow along here is that
different judges, even sometimes in the same circuits, have reached
different conclusions about whether one NC DOUBLEA eligibility rules are
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subject to antitrust inspection at all. You know, prior to
all in courts have given the NC double A a
lot of leeway and enforcing eligibility rules. After Alsten that
that's changed, but there are still some judges that say, like,
this particular thing is not an anti trust issue. There's
also the legal question about whether the JUCO college sports
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and the NC DOUBLEA system are in competition with one
another or a part of the unified system, which is
different than the legal argument about whether D two or
D three years should should count, and then whether athletes
are economically damaged enough for this to have standing.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And you've had some judges that have said yes, and
others that have said no.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think it is difficult if you don't follow the
exact same criteria as Diego to really feel confident about
having immediate eligibility. This season, many of the individuals I
think had stronger economic cases lost and decided either not
to appeal or.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That an appeal was too expensive.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
And even if you win the first time around, the
NC DOUBLEA is appealing all of these This is not
nearly as open and shut of a legal case here
as I think nil regulation enforcement generally. So if somebody
hasn't spent the twenty to twenty five thousand dollars to
file the lawsuit and try to file it in as
friendly a court as possible, I would not anticipate them
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being eligible week one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Man, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We've had this discussion and I've made certain statements about this.
It's like, if you only submit a waiver request on
your university letterhead, like you're probably gonna get denied. Yet
if you submit that waiver request with a law firms
letterhead with threats of litigation, you may get it push through.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What's going on in that regard? Why use that?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I mean, I think that's true with a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, even in my business.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
The response that I get if I write a nice
letter to you university versus I write a nice letter
to university on a law firm's letter ahead that that's
threatening litigation.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Often the response is different, you know that. What was
the al Capone saying, like, you get.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
More in this world with kind a kind word and
a gun than you do with just a kind word.
Like in this world the law firm is the gun,
right everyone, Everyone wants to avoid that kind of litigation.
That being said, this is not as scary for schools
as suing over and you know, infractions over an io
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policy because the NCAA is winning a decent number of
these cases.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Eventually, there's good maybe whether it goes to.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
The Supreme Court or or somewhere else, to get some
some more clarity about.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Resolving some of these circus splits.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
You know, about what eligibility rules are subject to antitrust
law and what exactly is the case the tests that
should be established.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That might take another two or three years. This process
just takes a really long time.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
The frustrating thing is that for athletes there's not a
really strong uniform rule right now if you played Juco
Baal and you also took a red shirt, So then
it becomes strictly a business question. Can you fortifile a
lawsuit and to file a law acredibly like not threatened,
but like actually credibly file one.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We're looking at a five figure down payment twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Do you have the money to spend twenty thousand dollars
on a case that maybe you only have a twenty
percent chance of winning?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Or is this the time for you to go be
a family man and go get a real job.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I think that that depends on what kind of nil
deal you're looking at and what your risk appetite is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And for a lot of athletes, the answer is going
to be it's not worth the risk. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Welcome to America, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Ben Byu fans were hoping, praying that that he included
pot he would receive a waivers looking too good?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Though?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is it like the hope? I?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I don't want to speak to authoritatively about any one
specific case because I don't know what judgement goes in
front of I don't know what kind of extenuating circumstances
or what kind of bag he's willing to sort of
testifying court that that he that would be on the
table by him playing or not. But we are now,
you know, into fall camp. We are we are weeks
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away from from from the open, from from opening day,
and the legal process takes a while. So I think
for anybody who's not coming with big guns here or
has a really compelling case is not likely to get
immediate relief in time to play and shoot. Like, even
if you got relief in ten days, are you practicing?
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Are you are you?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Are you fully prepared after missing a big chunk of
fall camp waiting for this to happen?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Like, the timing's very difficult.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It is difficult, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
What else is as as I've been keeping you busy
over an extra point recently, Matt, what have you been
focusing on?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
What can you tease us with?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I've been working on a bunch of things.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
One thing that might be interesting here for this audience
is that if you are a numbers dork like me,
there's a couple of resources out there where you can
compare budgets for public pro public schools via the night
new House database or USA Today or are our own
extra Points library, so you can go see you know who,
you know how much revenue schools are reporting, what their
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expenses are. What we haven't had is a way to
easily compare that information across individual sports. And that has
been what I have been working on and my colleagues
and Extra Points have been working on for months.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
We just debuted it on Friday.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So now if you, if you, if you pay for
our service, and I've written a couple of stories about this,
you can say, all right, show me which volleyball teams
across the country sold the most tickets, what baseball budget
in the country is the largest, Sort them on through
one hundred and seventy six, you know, tell me who's
spent what does the median spend on coaching salary throughout
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the Big twelve and we can pull all that information.
Uh what, I think that this has been particularly illuminating
and interesting for me as we move away from things
like football and basketball and and and try to get
better information about not just how much money is spent
on women's volleyball or gymnastics, but where that money is
coming from and how big the gap is between the
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biggest and the smallest schools, because if you're you know,
kind of the bet that UVU is making here in
this market is that we can never match BUYU dollar
for dollars and spending in men's basketball.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Especial, especially not now.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
But the difference between a big spending and a medium
spending school and men's soccer is only about three hundred
thousand dollars. And if you make a concentrated effort there,
you can be in the top twenty. And that's you know,
that's what Marshall did, and they want a dang national title.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So that's the kind of data work that we're doing now.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I should have a story out this week about what
women's volleyball budgets look like, and I have already coming
out this week that we did some reporting on about
what lear Field is doing to try and help programs
earn more money above the salary cap so they can
continue to pay athletes across multiple sports and be competitive
beyond just the twenty point five million that they're already sharing.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I don't want to project or predict or have you
maybe project too much, Matt, because I know you know
what projections get into. But what it sounds like with
the way budgets are working and how budgets are kind
of shifting in this post house settlement era, which by
the way, is still being in challenging core, Like we
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probably need to admit to that up front, right, that
the house settlement is not the end of litigation in
NCAA athletics. But it sounds like a lot of the
data that you're shaving seeing, the budgets that you're seeing
might potentially allude to a future where schools start and
I'm trying to choose my words really carefully, but in
(13:01):
sports talk radio. So what's the point of that, right,
But maybe schools start kind of specializing a little bit
in especially in Olympic sports, where they go, hey, you know,
we're we're gonna try to compete in football and men's basketball,
because those are the two belcow sports everywhere. But maybe
there are Olympic sports that we start prioritizing more, whether
it's you know, you touch on men's soccer with Marshall
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winning the national title a couple of years ago, or
some some schools may start to kind of throw a
little bit extra into women's soccer or volleyball or wrestling, lacrosse,
maybe some of those Northeast schools, could we see a
little bit of a kind of a sports specialty by
school in this new post house settlement era.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I mean, that's that's exactly what's happening. And maybe two
years ago schools wouldn't like to use this.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Language in public or on the record.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
But but what you're describing as a conversation called tiering,
and that's been done informally across the country, and it's
not becoming much more explicit, both internally and externally, because
you're right both with your twenty point five million that
you're sharing directly with athletes and with what you're spending
across the university.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
As a whole.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Even if you're Alabama, Ohio State, or Texas, you can't
afford to spend the top amount of money on everything.
And the Title nine and conference bylaws still require you
to sponsor a minimum number of sports, and so you
have to have some difficult conversations like I know, as
an example, at my alma mater, Ohio State sponsors more
sports than almost anybody else in the country.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's like thirty six schools.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And then they had some conversations with some of those
coaches and said, we're not going to drop this sport
because we don't want to get sued for title nine reasons,
but we're going to cut scholarships for a lot of these,
and we're going to cut operational spending for a lot
of these. And we'll still have a rifle team or
a men's volleyball team or some of these other things,
but we are not going to spend like Ohio State
and gun for a championship.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I think another good example is men's hockey.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
One of the teams that I know that is spending
the most across the country in men's hockey this year
from house settlement money is UMass and I think that
that's pretty reasonable because they're recognizing that the Ohio State's
not going to spend the dime on on their house
money for men's hockey because nobody in Columbus cares, but
Massachusetts cares.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So if I was in.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
This market and I was at BYU or Utah, as
an example here, just kind of speaking off the cuff,
I would probably want to divert some resources away from
baseball and put them into whether that's whether that's gymnastics,
whether that is track and field or cross country or
or or or potentially men's and women's basketball, because the
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ability for BYU or Utah to compete at the national
stage in those in those other sports is they're they're
closer to that level than they are for baseball, where
they have some geographic and historical and other challenges. You're
not going to be able to reach financial parity with
Arizona and Arizona State or even potentially West Virginia right
now in that sport.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
That's happening everywhere, and sometimes.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
That can be really that can be really difficult conversation
because nobody wants to be a college coach and here
because you're super competitive, your sport is not a priority
like get ready to learn how to have bike sales.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But that that's that is exactly where we're going.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
And I think the flip side of that, and nobody
wants to talk about cutting sports or eliminating programs, but
the reality is they are happening. And I know there
are still NCAA regulations for how many sports you have
to sponsor and that kind of thing, but could outside
organizations maybe come in and sort of help boost some
of those standings where you know, say USA Lacrosse, see
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schools that are focusing on lacrosse, maybe they come in
and they partner with with certain schools for their programs.
Or USA Swimming, USA Gymnastics, you know most of like
you know, ninety percent of the US Olympic Committee. It
seems like, could you also see maybe some working with
some national organizations in terms of helping some of these
sports at the college level. Or is that a conversation
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that I'm projecting way too much.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You're you're certainly not projecting like that.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
The NYT Commission had a presentation and a national poll
about this a couple of days ago, and this, I think,
in a roundabout way speaks to what the President was
talking about with his executive order, you know, trying which
the text of that is saying that the administration doesn't
want schools to cut sports and wants to provide financial incentives,
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carrots and sticks for schools to.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Maintain a minimum amount.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
What you're describing on some level does already happen. How
much it happens depends on the resources for.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That national organization.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You know, one of the one of the college sports,
for example, that's facing the biggest challenges right now is
college tennis, and the governing body here for for for
American Tennis will give your college a grant to help
pay for facility repairs or or or infrastructure to keep
your program. If you are interested in restarting college wrestling
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or starting college wrestling, I know this for a fact.
USA Wrestling will help you hire a coach, and they'll
give you mats, they'll give you some of the infrastructure
that you get started. The problem is that in this country,
unlike almost every other major industrialized country, those national organizations
don't get direct federal funding, and so they're getting money
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from coaches, from local membership, from corporate partners, but most
of them don't.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Have anywhere near enough money to offset costs at the
college level.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
They might have some money for professional development, but they're
not going to replace the hole in the budget from
money going going being redirected to football.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
So I think there's an important.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
National conversation to be had about how we want to
fund Olympic sport development in this country.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
The way that we have decided to do it for
the last seventy years, which is different from anybody else
in the world world, is that we've chosen to fund
an elite Olympics sport athlete development through higher education by
subsidizing with football and men's basketball money.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And that world is changing as more of that money
is being redirected directly into the pockets of the athletes.
I actually, I mean, I think that's a good thing,
but that means that that money has to come from somewhere.
What most of the world does is that the government
pays for it, either through the military, through direct national appropriations,
through the a federal Ministry of Sport, and a couple
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of places. The private sector in the corporate world plays
a more outsized role. We just have to decide because
we might and maybe America decides winning the Olympics or
having lots of really great track athletes or these opportunities
is not important to us for us to spend you know,
federal gambling tax.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Money on it, or federal appropriation or anything else.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I think that can be defensible, But then you are
not going to have the same Olympic performance that you've
had the last thirty forty years.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think that's just the reality.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Absolutely.
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
Love having you on our show. Matt. We appreciate you.
We sholute you man.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Thanks for hopping on today, of course, fellas if you will,
thanks Matt. He didn't give me optims is about heklupati.
He didn't give me the tingles and jingles, the positive feels,
the vibes.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I think that's a really good point, though, what Matt
was saying, because I think there are a lot of
college football fans in particular, when they saw the injunction
by federal judge in Tennessee, UH that was put in
for Diego Pavia, essentially granting him a stay for an
extra year of eligibility because of his his JUC eligibility
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that a quote unquote doesn't count against nca and whatnot.
I think there was a lot of like automatic jumps
to conclusions of like, oh, this is the beginning of
a fifth year, or this is the beginning of you know,
the NJCAA system doesn't count towards the nc double A,
or like that's going to be a future.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Thing if file a lawsuit, yeah, and like only if.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You have a a law firm that's willing to represent
you and file it.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Even then, I don't think it's a total guarantee or
a total slam dunk, because like, eventually these lawsuits are
going to wind up getting settled or approved or denied
or whatever. And this just doesn't feel like a very
sustainable model for college sports going forward.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
And maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Your personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Should the years of junior college football count against your
eligibility as a college football player.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
I mean, it's tough because they always have, right, But
there are a lot of things that we've always done
in college football that are changing nowadays.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
And the reason why I bring it up is because
not all junior colleges get scholarships. They don't, that's true.
Many of them do not, that's true. So you're just
playing to get to that next level. You're not getting scholarship,
you're not getting food. You're lucky if you get books,
that's true. Sometimes they'll put you up and your you're living.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
All of them are required to because you have said
you have different organizations that run junior college sports, like
California has literally its own organization in the Triple CAA
that's outside of the n j c a A, which
has three different divisions. And then there's another JE code
organization that's back East. Like it's it's such a mess
that you can't really standardize.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And now the counter is, well, you're still you can
still work towards a degree, right, you can still work
towards so your clock is ticking. And I view it
almost like a prep school, and it should be somewhat
viewed as a prep school. In my opinion. It's not
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FBS football, it's not the same league, not even FCS football,
it's not even FCS football Division two, it's not an
NCAA sanction football program. So if by the law, the
letter of law, they're not college football layers, not FBS
football players, na A.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Football players, And then then the hard part also becomes
if you extend that blanket towards every level, Like, should
Division two eligibility count against Division one eligibility? Because we're
seeing some of those transfer ups every year, you see
bounce backs, We're seeing Division ones transferred to Division twos
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every year. What about when you go over to nai
A football, Should those years of eligibility also not count there?
Or do you just I mean, here's here's one that's
been kicked around for a while then and it's been
sort of buried a little bit under the radar with
injunctions and lawsuits and everything else.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Is it time to just.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Strip the red shirt from college athletics eligibility and just
give everybody five years injuries development red shirts?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Look, I'm all for I'm all for given those years
of eligibility back Ben Kritle would have been a four
y your player at b YU, five year player at
b YU. Baby, Oh man, I would have been a
part of the great look. I would have been there
five six o seven. Oh wait, I would have four
years of glory and victory, the greatest, greatest shirts.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh, that would have been glorious.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Oh man, you could have Yeah, give me those NC
junior college years back.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
College football players right now essentially get five years because
of the four game red shirt rule.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
The other sports don't have that. I could have red
shirted and No.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Five played it in the Notre Dame game, played in
the Cow game, played in some of those big time games,
and then you know, finished off the career in the
one of the greatest, second best era in BYU football history.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Other sports don't have that.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
By the way, the second you step on the court
in an NCAA game and men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Your clock started, no doubt about it.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Soccer, baseball, men's hockey, wrestling, same thing.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
As soon as you as soon.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
As you begin your eligibility, whether you play ten seconds
or ten games, you've used that year. And that feels
like something that maybe needs to be standardized at the
very least towards more of a football model, or again,
we just go all the way and say here's your
five years of eligibility and that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Phinkleer Patti may not get his waiver, ladies and gentlemen.
But that that being said, I don't know if Matt
is the most positive, optimistic person as it relates to
these these matters. So I'm gonna take it with a
grain of salt. I'm gonna have hopet Brown's a little
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Some of the news and notes coming out of.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Brigham as well as the dollars Football world a people
has been at the tip of everybody's tongue. Do you
trust it or distrust it? Do you like it? Do
you dislike it? Brett Or Mark said, no more preseason
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some of these preseason polls.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
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Speaker 6 (28:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
You know the best part is for US high school
coaches Football's officials Friday, So we're on the countdown.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Life is good.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Utah Preps is kicking off this week, which is fantastic,
big news coming out of Utahn. I remember, like, well,
you know, five years ago we talked about the number five.
By the way, URGS six series has been serving Utah
for five generations and counting. By the way, you know,
five years ago, co it hit and Utah went forward
with faith and balled out in front of everybody, and uh,
(29:07):
I think Corner Canyon started to heat up. They were
doing great things. Jackson Dart ended up getting recruited all
all manner of different squads up at UC then I
will miss after. But like COVID kind of was a
kind of a beneficial thing for Utah football, put them
on the map a little bit naturally.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
One, we ended up having the first high school game
in the country was played, the first game was played here.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
And then I think what you said is, look a
lot of these states.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
That didn't have football or limitations and we didn't, and
so you had a lot of influxous kids moving in
from other parts and then realizing how good it was,
so good, good batter the ugly.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
COVID ended up bringing a lot of out of state
kids to come here to play football.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Definitely some silver lining there. Let's talk eight people. Do
you like it? Do you dislike it? Do you trust it?
Do you distrust it? So yes to all four?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
How's that all right?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Although it just depends on the day, depends on the hour,
depend on the you know the situation.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
I guess well, I think we love it because it's
give is something to talk about, and it's fun and
it's exciting. We don't like it because half of these
guys aren't even accurate.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They don't even do any research.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
They just make stuff up, you know, and will go away. No,
because there's money involved somehow money on it, So that's
not going to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Go away, you know.
Speaker 12 (30:27):
And then and then in reality of it is is
like at BYU, where they're in, at where they come
in twenty six?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Is that is that anyway?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Just outside number twenty five? Yeah, just outside of the
top twenty five.
Speaker 13 (30:38):
You tell me a team that finished top ten last
year eleven wins, you know what, one of the dartings
of the season last year, get most of the guys
back now quarterback is probably what's scaring them off.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
But they don't even have them rank in the top
twenty five. I mean, come on, it's just it's not
even realistic.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It is kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right, So you feel like too high to lower just
right for BYU's ranking, would you say, oh.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Way too low, way too low now?
Speaker 12 (31:05):
I mean, look, I'm not going to be a realist
and saying, oh, look they should be coming top ten.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
But you know, if they do a couple of things,
they base.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
It on on history, on how they're looking, how many
guys are back.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You know, you take all those things.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
We're you know, probably fifteen to twenty is fun where
they should sit now.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
Losing a quarterback is I'm sure why they've dropped because
of the quarterback situations unknown.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
When a team comes back, and a team comes back
with a good quarterback, they're always ranked higher. So I'm
sure that's what's really hurting them right now.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, I think you're right that public perception a little bit,
which is surprising, like the defense and special teams being
able to carry and of weight. That byus hovering outside
the top twenty five, that's still an impressive feed to
get a little pre season hype right outside the top
twenty five.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
Especially losing you know the quarterway, especially the restaurants. I mean, yes,
it shows who they are.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I'm not having seen I have not seen it yet.
Where's Utah, Citty.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Utah sitting right now? Top twenty five? I think they're
right there as.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Well, just behind BYUH officially twenty seven twenty seven.
Speaker 14 (32:12):
Yeah, and I think and honestly I think both BYU
and Utah are two underrated teams this year.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I think Utah's going to do some really good things.
I mean, what quarterback play was there a major issue
last year and they've got a big.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Climb upgrade, you know, are.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
I think he's going to do some.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
Really really good things, assuming assuming Winningham will give him
a green light, which in the past he hasn't said.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Who knows, but I think Utah BYU both are.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Too low in those polls.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
But good, let let us do the underdogs and let
us have a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Well, then, on that subject of underdogs, every year, for
since pretty close to the turn of the century, I
think there's always been a team, maybe not quite every year,
but close to every year since the turn of the century,
there's always been a team that starts outside of the
ap top twenty five and doesn't just finish inside the
top twenty five, but finishes inside the top ten. Do
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you have any confidence that that team can be BYU
or maybe even Utah this year if we want to
talk about the dirty years, I don't know whatever, But
is there any confidence do you think from the fan
base at BYU can maybe be that team?
Speaker 14 (33:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I think there's no question.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I think look, I mean throw you to a little
bit of a ball, and I think they both are.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
But I think YU specifically, I mean my expectations is
the top fifteen finish in before not top fifteen.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
It is going to be a disappointing season. Now, are
we a playoff or bust? I mean, I'd love to
say that as a fan, but as a realist, no,
But I think it's possible. But the reality of it
is twenty six is low. But good, let's find Let's
be that team this year. Let's be the underdogs. You know,
have that in the locker room and pulse. Look, they
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can't even rank you in the top twenty five.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Let them have that.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
You know, we can't have you on the sports talk
radio without asking for some takes, some fiery takes, and
I won't ask you for too many fiery takes about
BYU training camp, all that stuff. Maybe we'll leave that
to Ben for a quick minute. But nationally, kind of
on that same note, for the last twenty two seasons straight,
at least one team ranked in the top ten of
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the AP preseason poll has finished the year un ranked.
I'm gonna give you the top ten. Okay, one through ten.
I want you to tell me which of these teams
do you think maybe has the strongest case. So basically,
I'm gonna ask you for an overrated team. Kay, I'll
give you the top ten it's one starting number one, Texas,
Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, Miami.
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Is there a name in the jumps out there that
you go, you know what this might this team may
be on rank by the end of the season.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
Well too, Miami and.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Order Day are the two for me.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
Okaya quarterback play on both is why I say that?
Speaker 7 (35:03):
Okay, so he said so. Not not a fan of
the U.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
The other U, the one on the East coast and
Coral Gables or Notre Dame. Notre Dame's are really trained
to pick, Tim, I'm not going to lie to make
it to the college football Playoff. What what gives you pause?
With the Irish, particularly you meant to quarterback play?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I think, well, I just think just unknown, right, Look,
Notre Dame.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
Notre Dame's always good, but Notre Dame hasn't done much
in the last how many years?
Speaker 12 (35:33):
And I think they get an automatic kind of like
an SEC and automatic bomb and they haven't do anything.
I could be completely wrong, and they may be the
darting of the season, but on paper, I just to
me it's an overrated team.
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We're going to delve into a little Olympic sports report.
Women's soccer finishing up their exhibition matches and uh, you know,
not the result you may be wanted, But maybe this
is a nice swift kick in the pants for this
lady Koog's team to get back on the right track
and back to their winning ways. They're trying to get
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Speaker 2 (39:41):
Didn't like this silver lining though, b why you.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Sophomore goalkeeper Peyton Collins had five saves on the night.
Considering we're trying to find a replacement for late I
guess a late attrition in that in that goalkeeper position.
That's a good sign. So silver linings here, that's good.
Five saves on the night. Byu should not have tied
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to the Utah Tech Trailblazers in their.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Preseason for nowt the Cougars did. I think they They.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Outshot the visiting Trailblazers eighteen to thirteen, but it's thirteen
too many for Utah Tech for Byu to be given up.
The Trailblazers opened aggressively, with the first shot of the
game in the third minute, which was saved by Peyton Collins.
Byu got his first score scoring opportunity in the seventh
minute of the game when a Utah Tech foul gave
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junior ford Eli Wallbrook a penalty kick, which she buried
in the top left corner to make the score one zero.
In the twenty second minute, the Cougars nearly added to
their lead when a shot in the box by Afton
Perry was blocked. Seconds later, Sophie zivivulas oh Man zivul
(40:59):
Litch zil Zivulich had a shot on goal which was
saved on the line. The trail Lager's closest opportunity of
the first half came in the fortieth minute when a
shot went off the right goal post. In the opening period,
there was a combined total of eleven penalties. That's sloppy,
with BYU being responsible for eight of them. That's not
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what you'd like to see well, especially on your home pitch.
While Utah Tech led it in time of possession the
first half, having the ball fifty four percent of the time,
BYU had the advantage in shots, leading nine to six
and the second half. The Trailblazers began the second period
with the pressure as they took the first three shots,
including one off the crossbar.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
In the fifty seventh.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Minute of the Trailblazers, they they even the score one
to one when Tessa Thornton shot to the top left
corner sailed past Collins. BYU had its chances late in
the game, with four corner kicks in the final eight minutes,
couldn't convert. In the final minute, a shot inside the
box by Sebulich Sivulic give it to me again, Savulag.
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You can tell I have not been covering the women's
soccer team yet and this is a new name went
over the net, which proved to be the last chance
for either team as the game concluded one to one
up next to The Cougars will begin regular season action
on the road at number twenty four Minnesota on Thursday,
August fourteenth, at six pm out time. Sean Walker, you
were in attendance? What did you see? What did you like?
(42:29):
What did you just like?
Speaker 8 (42:31):
I can neither confirm nor deny that I was there.
Just canning confirm I was there.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
I was there.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Unfortunately in this this looks like a team that is
missing its leading goal.
Speaker 7 (42:45):
Scorer from last year. Ali Fryar out for the season.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
She hurt her lower leg foot slash ankle somewhere in
that area.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Somewhere in the area and ankle area of the foot
in it.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Is it not out yet? No one gone on record
about it the injury or no.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
It's a it's a foot ankle. Actually it's a lower
leg injury, foot slash ankle injury. She's said to have
surgery uh this week, so she will be out for
the entire year. I know there are a lot of
rubors circulating online. She went and played in the Blue
White Scrimmage a couple of weeks ago. That was kind
of her last gas export effort she had, she had
the surgery scheduled and so she was always going to
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be out for that year.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
And that's a brutal blow for this b YU women's soccer.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Team, a team that was just barely getting back Ellie Wallbrook,
friend of the program, UH that look to lead an
attack with McKenzie Vance coming back the other UCLA transfer,
and then obviously uh Friar there on the wing. They
have some really nice freshman attackers that I think are
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going to wind up seeing a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
UH.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
The aforementioned Sophie Savula out of South Weber wassatches c
product Northwards High School up there. She started both exhibition matches,
had a brace in the first one before one win
over Southern Utah. But this is a team that needs
a veteran attacker and Ali Fryar was going to be
that piece until she picked up an offseason injury and
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unfortunately we'll had to have a little bit of surgery.
So nine freshmen on this BYU roster ben as many
as three of them started during the exhibition season.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
We mentioned Savulich.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Also Afton Perry, the midfielder out of West Lake High
School started both games as well. There will be another
goalkeeper battling for that spot alongside Peyton Collins in American Fork,
Sarah Mathis. She won a national title over the summer
with Utah United, so very very high quality, very talented goalkeeper.
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But there are a lot of moving pieces on this
BYU women's soccer team.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
You would hope that last.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Year's nine to seven and five season that they'd be
able to build on that, but the reality of the
house settlements and a number of roster cuts, trimming the
roster down to I think it was twenty eight players
almost overnight, and doing it before. By the way, the
amended house settlement which allowed for some grandfathered limits as well.
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That didn't help as well, and neither did the lay
transfer of former goalkeeper Lynnete Arnez, who has left the program,
not transferred out of the program, left the program. She
is as far as everything can be seen, she's done
with college soccer right now.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
It's just barely got married. I'm not sure if.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
She graduated from high school or from college, so she
may still be happy YU as a student. I know
her husband was a senior on the track and field team.
Maybe that played into it as well, so Yeah, there's
gonna be a long goalkeeper battle. I think between Collins
between Mathis. Those are kind of two of the risers.
They also picked up Utah transfer goalkeeper Chelsea Peterson.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
She started. Is that made? Has that been made official?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (46:10):
She's she is officially on the roster, she's in the program.
She is she is there should be a junior from
Ram High this year. She started nineteen games for the
Utes back in twenty twenty one. Talley the fourth most
saviss in school history in twelve during that run, finished
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the season with seventy seven seventy seven saves in seven
and seventy eight minutes. For a little bit of kind
of that Iron woman role, if you will. So she
played three seasons at the U before serving a church
mission in the Manchester, England mission as well. So she
winds up at at BYU and then the fourth fourth
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goalkeeper that they picked up should be a sophomore officially
by eligibility. She was at BYU last year. She ran
track for the BYU track and field team out of
Loan Peak High School. That's Eva chen H five foot
ten sophomore from UH from high Land, also coming off
of a mission fairly recently in Madrid, Madrid, Spain, the
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Madrid South.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Mission for both fantastic missions.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Yeah yeah, so another good mission, right, I.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Mean, I love my mission. I love my mission. Good
missions gotta qualify Chester and Madrid. You can't make two
good places of surf, right goodness.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Eva was a two time Reason champion for the Nights
as well first team All State by the Desright News
in twenty twenty one, twenty two, the Daily Harald Goalkeeper
of the Year back in twenty twenty two to another
high quality prep product who thought she was going to matriculate,
back in twenty twenty three to BYU to run rack
UH and now all over to the women's soccer program
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as well. So so there are options, There are options
there in that backstop. It's just my her of finding
the right fit in there, but I think there are
plenty of options. More concerned is going to be that
force up front McKenzie vance I mentioned her she was,
she'll be a senior this year, the former UCLA transfer.
She is day to day or week to week with
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a knock that she picked up over the summer as well,
and so that's just going to be probably some trial
by fire by with obviously Ellie Wahlberg in the middle
of that attacking group, but relying on a lot of
youth in the likes of Savulich, who else. Miyakichi also
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saw a lot of time coming off the bench. Cassidy
Drago played a decent amount during the exhibition season. But
these are all young players, freshmen and sophomores, and it'll
be another really young roster. I think for this bou
and the soccer team.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Is this another rebuild year?
Speaker 7 (49:00):
What you say another? Was last year a rebuild year?
Speaker 8 (49:05):
Because last year was a rebuild year, and yet they
still finished top four in the Big twelve and a
very good Big Twelve conference, made it to the Big
Twelve tournament semifinals, got to the nc Double A Tournament
largely on the back of their RPI very rough, very brutal,
a very stringent non conference season, but they still made
it to the NCAA Tournament, lost in that first round.
(49:25):
One No, the Santa Clara the WCC champs, long running history,
long running rivalry. I'll even say with BYU women soccer,
and I think this could be another similar year for BYU.
They loaded up in non conference play. They'll open this
Thursday with a road trip to Minnesota, the front half
of a two game roadswing at Minnesota and at cal Pauly.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
And then they saw last year was a reload, not
a rebuild.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
Uh yeah, I mean yet last year was absolutely a reloaded.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Year, reload, not a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
And so this year is just hey, you're if you
get to the nc DOUAA tournament. Hey, you're in the
you're in the dance, you're on the pitch, you're playing,
and anything could happen.
Speaker 9 (50:05):
And I thinky part about this year was you weren't
banking on Ali being out, and Ali Fryar makes you
a Big twelve title contender.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
This is a survivor. This is like not a survivor,
This is a thrive in advance with a fry.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
And And that's the thing because she's your leading goal
scorer and Elie Wahlbrooke is coming back off Andrey McKenzie
vance has been day to day week week, as we
know from what Jen toldas, hasn't played. That's the tough
part in that regard because now that you weren't banking
on that, now that she's not out, it is okay.
So is this gonna look like last because you're missing pieces.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
That's the biggest two curve balls and your goalkeepers out
right right before kickoff lay back. But you weren't banking
on losing experience, and that happened again. I think sean
not necessarily a rebuild, but a reload because when you
have what you had the year before last season, when
you're going to the College Cup final and you're making
(50:56):
deep runs, you need veteran players to make that.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
We saw that with you know, Olivia Katoa.
Speaker 9 (51:01):
They got drafted Smith Griffith, Jamie Shepherd right Vodka brecka Mazingo.
That is a different conversation now when those players weren't
those players were healthy and we're able to play. So
that's the tough part right now, Ben is they have
to get those players back to advance.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So the expectations for them hasn't changed.
Speaker 9 (51:18):
But I think our view of it is like, okay,
your top four to finish in the conference. I don't
know if I can say you'll be in the Big twelve,
you know, title game. We have to see how the
season goes. Very well could be, but when you don't
have a player, that changes. I think my view of
it in that regard that's unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (51:33):
The good news for this BOLU women's soccer program is yes,
they went and Jen Rockwood did Jen rock with things
loaded up on non conference play because I mentioned the
two game broad swinging at Minnesota Act caw Paly. They
also got UCLA, Auburn, Arkansas all coming in to Southfield
in state rivalries with Utah State and Utah Valley before
they jump into Big twelve play, and that could be
(51:55):
a five hundred or maybe just under five hundred team
just based off of the quality. I'll even say, I'll
use the word the brutality of that non very very good. Yeah,
it's a very tough schedule. You get a lot of
them at home, but a lot of really really good
teams coming into Southfield. That sets up Big twelve play
(52:15):
where the Big twelve schedule makers actually did b yuad
number of favors in here kept them very regionally compact, Intact, Arizona, Arizona.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
State, Utah All on all on the schedule.
Speaker 8 (52:30):
They don't have to play TCU, which is the preseason
pick to win the conference with the former tavor Nata
seven casting leading that attack. That's a really big deal.
They get the likes of West Virginia Cincinnati at home
so they don't have to go to the other side
of the country. I think they only have one long yeah,
(52:51):
one long road trip that's not till October twenty seven
when they play at UCF before ending the season at Utah,
So a little bit of travel in there, But otherwise,
this schedule is very manageable once they get through a
very tough non conference schedule. So uh, this is a
team that could learn some on the fly, probably take
(53:12):
some lumps early. I would expect for them to take
some lumps early, whether that's in results or not, but
that could also leave them battle tested to get back
into the NCAA tournament in another year. Where again, like
I mentioned, they've got nine freshmen on this roster, including
as many as three or four that could be starting
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
What's the win total for this squad this year? That's tough.
Then it's the win total ask at the beginning, man
or the total.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
You've seen them, You've seen the exhibitions, you've seen the talent,
you've seen the roster, you've seen the potential.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
You know the coaching staff. Give me a win total.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
They won nine nine games last year. That was with
Ali Fryer, but also without Ellie Wahlbrick. I'm gonna go
the same thing, and this team wins nine games nine
it is, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go two more.
I think think they'll be able to pull off tomorrowgo eleven.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
I'll go give them two more.
Speaker 9 (54:04):
With Elie Becker, do think she is a difference maker,
but I do think Ali Fryer limits that.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
I'll go no more than eleven. There you go. I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I'll be honest, so I'm gonna lean on my soccer
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Speaker 4 (02:33):
Whether that's a split between the.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Power two and everybody else, the Power four and everybody else,
or perhaps a split of some schools that are in
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And some schools that are not. I think this is
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Speaker 2 (02:52):
I wish that I could be like the cool kids.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Right, let's talk about Hinkley Upati here for a minute.
Foral Reyu running back. There seems to be a surge
of lawsuits being heaped on the doorstep of the NC
double A requesting eligibility immediately be given to these former
junior college football players. I believe there's upwards a thirty
(03:17):
plus lawsuits right now. Hinkley, I don't know if he
submitted a lawsuit. He just submitted a waiver. But one
of the chances of Henkley ra Pati getting a year
of eligibility back do you think right now? Learning a
little bit about him, he played juco ball, obviously played
in the Corona virus season. I guess should get that
(03:39):
year back medical redshirt type of deal as well, he.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Said some season ending injuries.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Give us a breakdown on what's happening with this Diego
Pavian exemption and what your projection is of Heinkley Rapati.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Yeah, I think it's been quite confusing about what sort
of legal precedent was actually established with the Diego lawsuit
and NCLE policy. The best of our understandings, as I've
talked to a couple of law professors and tried to
follow this issue here, is that the precedent set by
Diego is not that JUCO years don't count towards eligibility,
(04:14):
but only athletes that have an exact same situation as
Diego are given this kind of automatic waiver, which is
you played in JUCO, but you never took a red
year red shirt year, so you're still on the same
five year clock, and that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
For most JUCO athletes.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
The NCAA is pushing back really hard in court against
the idea of some sort of you know, universal five
year eligibility or that JUCO years don't count. And part
of what's been complicated to follow along here is that
different judges, even sometimes in the same circuits, have reached
different conclusions about whether one NC DOUBLEA eligibility rules are
(04:54):
subject to antitrust inspection at all. You know, prior to
all in courts have given the NC double A a
lot of leeway and enforcing eligibility rules. After Alsten that
that's changed, but there are still some judges that say, like,
this particular thing is not an anti trust issue. There's
also the legal question about whether the JUCO college sports
(05:16):
and the NC DOUBLEA system are in competition with one
another or a part of the unified system, which is
different than the legal argument about whether D two or
D three years should should count, and then whether athletes
are economically damaged enough for this to have standing.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And you've had some judges that have said yes, and
others that have said no.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I think it is difficult if you don't follow the
exact same criteria as Diego to really feel confident about
having immediate eligibility. This season, many of the individuals I
think had stronger economic cases lost and decided either not
to appeal or.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
That an appeal was too expensive.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
And even if you win the first time around, the
NC DOUBLEA is appealing all of these This is not
nearly as open and shut of a legal case here
as I think nil regulation enforcement generally. So if somebody
hasn't spent the twenty to twenty five thousand dollars to
file the lawsuit and try to file it in as
friendly a court as possible, I would not anticipate them
(06:18):
being eligible week one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Man, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We've had this discussion and I've made certain statements about this.
It's like, if you only submit a waiver request on
your university letterhead, like you're probably gonna get denied. Yet
if you submit that waiver request with a law firms
letterhead with threats of litigation, you may get it push through.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
What's going on in that regard? Why use that?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I mean, I think that's true with a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I mean, even in my business.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
The response that I get if I write a nice
letter to you university versus I write a nice letter
to university on a law firm's letter ahead that that's
threatening litigation.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Often the response is different, you know that. What was
the al Capone saying, like, you get.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
More in this world with kind a kind word and
a gun than you do with just a kind word.
Like in this world the law firm is the gun,
right everyone, Everyone wants to avoid that kind of litigation.
That being said, this is not as scary for schools
as suing over and you know, infractions over an io
(07:33):
policy because the NCAA is winning a decent number of
these cases.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Eventually, there's good maybe whether it goes to.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
The Supreme Court or or somewhere else, to get some
some more clarity about.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Resolving some of these circus splits.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
You know, about what eligibility rules are subject to antitrust
law and what exactly is the case the tests that
should be established.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That might take another two or three years. This process
just takes a really long time.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
The frustrating thing is that for athletes there's not a
really strong uniform rule right now if you played Juco
Baal and you also took a red shirt, So then
it becomes strictly a business question. Can you fortifile a
lawsuit and to file a law acredibly like not threatened,
but like actually credibly file one.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
We're looking at a five figure down payment twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Do you have the money to spend twenty thousand dollars
on a case that maybe you only have a twenty
percent chance of winning?
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Or is this the time for you to go be
a family man and go get a real job.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I think that that depends on what kind of nil
deal you're looking at and what your risk appetite is.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
And for a lot of athletes, the answer is going
to be it's not worth the risk. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But welcome to America.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Welcome to America, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Ben Byu fans were hoping, praying that that he included
pot he would receive a waivers looking too good?
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Though?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Is it like the hope? I?
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
I don't want to speak to authoritatively about any one
specific case because I don't know what judgement goes in
front of I don't know what kind of extenuating circumstances
or what kind of bag he's willing to sort of
testifying court that that he that would be on the
table by him playing or not. But we are now,
you know, into fall camp. We are we are weeks
(09:28):
away from from from the open, from from opening day,
and the legal process takes a while. So I think
for anybody who's not coming with big guns here or
has a really compelling case is not likely to get
immediate relief in time to play and shoot. Like, even
if you got relief in ten days, are you practicing?
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Like?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Are you are you?
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Are you?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Are you fully prepared after missing a big chunk of
fall camp waiting for this to happen?
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Like, the timing's very difficult.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
It is difficult, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
What else is as as I've been keeping you busy
over an extra point recently, Matt, what have you been
focusing on?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
What can you tease us with?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yeah, I've been working on a bunch of things.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
One thing that might be interesting here for this audience
is that if you are a numbers dork like me,
there's a couple of resources out there where you can
compare budgets for public pro public schools via the night
new House database or USA Today or are our own
extra Points library, so you can go see you know who,
you know how much revenue schools are reporting, what their
(10:29):
expenses are. What we haven't had is a way to
easily compare that information across individual sports. And that has
been what I have been working on and my colleagues
and Extra Points have been working on for months.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
We just debuted it on Friday.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
So now if you, if you, if you pay for
our service, and I've written a couple of stories about this,
you can say, all right, show me which volleyball teams
across the country sold the most tickets, what baseball budget
in the country is the largest, Sort them on through
one hundred and seventy six, you know, tell me who's
spent what does the median spend on coaching salary throughout
(11:06):
the Big twelve and we can pull all that information.
Uh what, I think that this has been particularly illuminating
and interesting for me as we move away from things
like football and basketball and and and try to get
better information about not just how much money is spent
on women's volleyball or gymnastics, but where that money is
coming from and how big the gap is between the
(11:27):
biggest and the smallest schools, because if you're you know,
kind of the bet that UVU is making here in
this market is that we can never match BUYU dollar
for dollars and spending in men's basketball.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Especial, especially not now.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
But the difference between a big spending and a medium
spending school and men's soccer is only about three hundred
thousand dollars. And if you make a concentrated effort there,
you can be in the top twenty. And that's you know,
that's what Marshall did, and they want a dang national title.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So that's the kind of data work that we're doing now.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I should have a story out this week about what
women's volleyball budgets look like, and I have already coming
out this week that we did some reporting on about
what lear Field is doing to try and help programs
earn more money above the salary cap so they can
continue to pay athletes across multiple sports and be competitive
beyond just the twenty point five million that they're already sharing.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
I don't want to project or predict or have you
maybe project too much, Matt, because I know you know
what projections get into. But what it sounds like with
the way budgets are working and how budgets are kind
of shifting in this post house settlement era, which by
the way, is still being in challenging core, Like we
(12:39):
probably need to admit to that up front, right, that
the house settlement is not the end of litigation in
NCAA athletics. But it sounds like a lot of the
data that you're shaving seeing, the budgets that you're seeing
might potentially allude to a future where schools start and
I'm trying to choose my words really carefully, but in
(13:01):
sports talk radio. So what's the point of that, right,
But maybe schools start kind of specializing a little bit
in especially in Olympic sports, where they go, hey, you know,
we're we're gonna try to compete in football and men's basketball,
because those are the two belcow sports everywhere. But maybe
there are Olympic sports that we start prioritizing more, whether
it's you know, you touch on men's soccer with Marshall
(13:23):
winning the national title a couple of years ago, or
some some schools may start to kind of throw a
little bit extra into women's soccer or volleyball or wrestling, lacrosse,
maybe some of those Northeast schools, could we see a
little bit of a kind of a sports specialty by
school in this new post house settlement era.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I mean, that's that's exactly what's happening. And maybe two
years ago schools wouldn't like to use this.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Language in public or on the record.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
But but what you're describing as a conversation called tiering,
and that's been done informally across the country, and it's
not becoming much more explicit, both internally and externally, because
you're right both with your twenty point five million that
you're sharing directly with athletes and with what you're spending
across the university.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
As a whole.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Even if you're Alabama, Ohio State, or Texas, you can't
afford to spend the top amount of money on everything.
And the Title nine and conference bylaws still require you
to sponsor a minimum number of sports, and so you
have to have some difficult conversations like I know, as
an example, at my alma mater, Ohio State sponsors more
sports than almost anybody else in the country.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's like thirty six schools.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
And then they had some conversations with some of those
coaches and said, we're not going to drop this sport
because we don't want to get sued for title nine reasons,
but we're going to cut scholarships for a lot of these,
and we're going to cut operational spending for a lot
of these. And we'll still have a rifle team or
a men's volleyball team or some of these other things,
but we are not going to spend like Ohio State
and gun for a championship.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I think another good example is men's hockey.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
One of the teams that I know that is spending
the most across the country in men's hockey this year
from house settlement money is UMass and I think that
that's pretty reasonable because they're recognizing that the Ohio State's
not going to spend the dime on on their house
money for men's hockey because nobody in Columbus cares, but
Massachusetts cares.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So if I was in.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
This market and I was at BYU or Utah, as
an example here, just kind of speaking off the cuff,
I would probably want to divert some resources away from
baseball and put them into whether that's whether that's gymnastics,
whether that is track and field or cross country or
or or or potentially men's and women's basketball, because the
(15:44):
ability for BYU or Utah to compete at the national
stage in those in those other sports is they're they're
closer to that level than they are for baseball, where
they have some geographic and historical and other challenges. You're
not going to be able to reach financial parity with
Arizona and Arizona State or even potentially West Virginia right
now in that sport.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
That's happening everywhere, and sometimes.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
That can be really that can be really difficult conversation
because nobody wants to be a college coach and here
because you're super competitive, your sport is not a priority
like get ready to learn how to have bike sales.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
But that that's that is exactly where we're going.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
And I think the flip side of that, and nobody
wants to talk about cutting sports or eliminating programs, but
the reality is they are happening. And I know there
are still NCAA regulations for how many sports you have
to sponsor and that kind of thing, but could outside
organizations maybe come in and sort of help boost some
of those standings where you know, say USA Lacrosse, see
(16:45):
schools that are focusing on lacrosse, maybe they come in
and they partner with with certain schools for their programs.
Or USA Swimming, USA Gymnastics, you know most of like
you know, ninety percent of the US Olympic Committee. It
seems like, could you also see maybe some working with
some national organizations in terms of helping some of these
sports at the college level. Or is that a conversation
(17:08):
that I'm projecting way too much.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
You're you're certainly not projecting like that.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
The NYT Commission had a presentation and a national poll
about this a couple of days ago, and this, I think,
in a roundabout way speaks to what the President was
talking about with his executive order, you know, trying which
the text of that is saying that the administration doesn't
want schools to cut sports and wants to provide financial incentives,
(17:33):
carrots and sticks for schools to.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Maintain a minimum amount.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
What you're describing on some level does already happen. How
much it happens depends on the resources for.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
That national organization.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
You know, one of the one of the college sports,
for example, that's facing the biggest challenges right now is
college tennis, and the governing body here for for for
American Tennis will give your college a grant to help
pay for facility repairs or or or infrastructure to keep
your program. If you are interested in restarting college wrestling
(18:05):
or starting college wrestling, I know this for a fact.
USA Wrestling will help you hire a coach, and they'll
give you mats, they'll give you some of the infrastructure
that you get started. The problem is that in this country,
unlike almost every other major industrialized country, those national organizations
don't get direct federal funding, and so they're getting money
(18:27):
from coaches, from local membership, from corporate partners, but most
of them don't.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Have anywhere near enough money to offset costs at the
college level.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
They might have some money for professional development, but they're
not going to replace the hole in the budget from
money going going being redirected to football.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
So I think there's an important.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
National conversation to be had about how we want to
fund Olympic sport development in this country.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
The way that we have decided to do it for
the last seventy years, which is different from anybody else
in the world world, is that we've chosen to fund
an elite Olympics sport athlete development through higher education by
subsidizing with football and men's basketball money.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
And that world is changing as more of that money
is being redirected directly into the pockets of the athletes.
I actually, I mean, I think that's a good thing,
but that means that that money has to come from somewhere.
What most of the world does is that the government
pays for it, either through the military, through direct national appropriations,
through the a federal Ministry of Sport, and a couple
(19:34):
of places. The private sector in the corporate world plays
a more outsized role. We just have to decide because
we might and maybe America decides winning the Olympics or
having lots of really great track athletes or these opportunities
is not important to us for us to spend you know,
federal gambling tax.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Money on it, or federal appropriation or anything else.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
I think that can be defensible, But then you are
not going to have the same Olympic performance that you've
had the last thirty forty years.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
I think that's just the reality.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
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You can go listen to him. But either way, I
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
Love having you on our show. Matt. We appreciate you.
We sholute you man.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Thanks for hopping on today, of course, fellas if you will,
thanks Matt. He didn't give me optims is about heklupati.
He didn't give me the tingles and jingles, the positive feels,
the vibes.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (21:08):
I think that's a really good point, though, what Matt
was saying, because I think there are a lot of
college football fans in particular, when they saw the injunction
by federal judge in Tennessee, UH that was put in
for Diego Pavia, essentially granting him a stay for an
extra year of eligibility because of his his JUC eligibility
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that a quote unquote doesn't count against nca and whatnot.
I think there was a lot of like automatic jumps
to conclusions of like, oh, this is the beginning of
a fifth year, or this is the beginning of you know,
the NJCAA system doesn't count towards the nc double A,
or like that's going to be a future.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Thing if file a lawsuit, yeah, and like only if.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You have a a law firm that's willing to represent
you and file it.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Even then, I don't think it's a total guarantee or
a total slam dunk, because like, eventually these lawsuits are
going to wind up getting settled or approved or denied
or whatever. And this just doesn't feel like a very
sustainable model for college sports going forward.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
And maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Your personal opinion.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Should the years of junior college football count against your
eligibility as a college football player.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
I mean, it's tough because they always have, right, But
there are a lot of things that we've always done
in college football that are changing nowadays.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
And the reason why I bring it up is because
not all junior colleges get scholarships. They don't, that's true.
Many of them do not, that's true. So you're just
playing to get to that next level. You're not getting scholarship,
you're not getting food. You're lucky if you get books,
that's true. Sometimes they'll put you up and your you're living.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
All of them are required to because you have said
you have different organizations that run junior college sports, like
California has literally its own organization in the Triple CAA
that's outside of the n j c a A, which
has three different divisions. And then there's another JE code
organization that's back East. Like it's it's such a mess
that you can't really standardize.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
And now the counter is, well, you're still you can
still work towards a degree, right, you can still work
towards so your clock is ticking. And I view it
almost like a prep school, and it should be somewhat
viewed as a prep school. In my opinion. It's not
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FBS football, it's not the same league, not even FCS football,
it's not even FCS football Division two, it's not an
NCAA sanction football program. So if by the law, the
letter of law, they're not college football layers, not FBS
football players, na A.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Football players, And then then the hard part also becomes
if you extend that blanket towards every level, Like, should
Division two eligibility count against Division one eligibility? Because we're
seeing some of those transfer ups every year, you see
bounce backs, We're seeing Division ones transferred to Division twos
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every year. What about when you go over to nai
A football, Should those years of eligibility also not count there?
Or do you just I mean, here's here's one that's
been kicked around for a while then and it's been
sort of buried a little bit under the radar with
injunctions and lawsuits and everything else.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
Is it time to just.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Strip the red shirt from college athletics eligibility and just
give everybody five years injuries development red shirts?
Speaker 7 (24:52):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Look, I'm all for I'm all for given those years
of eligibility back Ben Kritle would have been a four
y your player at b YU, five year player at
b YU. Baby, Oh man, I would have been a
part of the great look. I would have been there
five six o seven. Oh wait, I would have four
years of glory and victory, the greatest, greatest shirts.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Oh, that would have been glorious.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Oh man, you could have Yeah, give me those NC
junior college years back.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
College football players right now essentially get five years because
of the four game red shirt rule.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
The other sports don't have that. I could have red
shirted and No.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Five played it in the Notre Dame game, played in
the Cow game, played in some of those big time games,
and then you know, finished off the career in the
one of the greatest, second best era in BYU football history.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Other sports don't have that.
Speaker 8 (25:48):
By the way, the second you step on the court
in an NCAA game and men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Your clock started, no doubt about it.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Soccer, baseball, men's hockey, wrestling, same thing.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
As soon as you as soon.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
As you begin your eligibility, whether you play ten seconds
or ten games, you've used that year. And that feels
like something that maybe needs to be standardized at the
very least towards more of a football model, or again,
we just go all the way and say here's your
five years of eligibility and that's it.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Phinkleer Patti may not get his waiver, ladies and gentlemen.
But that that being said, I don't know if Matt
is the most positive, optimistic person as it relates to
these these matters. So I'm gonna take it with a
grain of salt. I'm gonna have hopet Brown's a little
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bit too much of a realist to be an optimist exactly.
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Speaker 3 (27:58):
Brigham as well as the dollars Football world a people
has been at the tip of everybody's tongue. Do you
trust it or distrust it? Do you like it? Do
you dislike it? Brett Or Mark said, no more preseason
polls for the Big twelve. Will we eventually do away
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some of these preseason polls.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
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Speaker 6 (28:35):
Well?
Speaker 4 (28:35):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Hey.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
You know the best part is for US high school
coaches Football's officials Friday, So we're on the countdown.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Life is good.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Utah Preps is kicking off this week, which is fantastic,
big news coming out of Utahn. I remember, like, well,
you know, five years ago we talked about the number five.
By the way, URGS six series has been serving Utah
for five generations and counting. By the way, you know,
five years ago, co it hit and Utah went forward
with faith and balled out in front of everybody, and uh,
(29:07):
I think Corner Canyon started to heat up. They were
doing great things. Jackson Dart ended up getting recruited all
all manner of different squads up at UC then I
will miss after. But like COVID kind of was a
kind of a beneficial thing for Utah football, put them
on the map a little bit naturally.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 11 (29:27):
One, we ended up having the first high school game
in the country was played, the first game was played here.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
And then I think what you said is, look a
lot of these states.
Speaker 11 (29:36):
That didn't have football or limitations and we didn't, and
so you had a lot of influxous kids moving in
from other parts and then realizing how good it was,
so good, good batter the ugly.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
COVID ended up bringing a lot of out of state
kids to come here to play football.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Definitely some silver lining there. Let's talk eight people. Do
you like it? Do you dislike it? Do you trust it?
Do you distrust it? So yes to all four?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
How's that all right?
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Although it just depends on the day, depends on the hour,
depend on the you know the situation.
Speaker 12 (30:05):
I guess well, I think we love it because it's
give is something to talk about, and it's fun and
it's exciting. We don't like it because half of these
guys aren't even accurate.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They don't even do any research.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
They just make stuff up, you know, and will go away. No,
because there's money involved somehow money on it, So that's
not going to.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Go away, you know.
Speaker 12 (30:27):
And then and then in reality of it is is
like at BYU, where they're in, at where they come
in twenty six?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Is that is that anyway?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Just outside number twenty five? Yeah, just outside of the
top twenty five.
Speaker 13 (30:38):
You tell me a team that finished top ten last
year eleven wins, you know what, one of the dartings
of the season last year, get most of the guys
back now quarterback is probably what's scaring them off.
Speaker 10 (30:50):
But they don't even have them rank in the top
twenty five. I mean, come on, it's just it's not
even realistic.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
It is kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Right, So you feel like too high to lower just
right for BYU's ranking, would you say, oh.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Way too low, way too low now?
Speaker 12 (31:05):
I mean, look, I'm not going to be a realist
and saying, oh, look they should be coming top ten.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
But you know, if they do a couple of things,
they base.
Speaker 12 (31:12):
It on on history, on how they're looking, how many
guys are back.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
You know, you take all those things.
Speaker 10 (31:17):
We're you know, probably fifteen to twenty is fun where
they should sit now.
Speaker 12 (31:22):
Losing a quarterback is I'm sure why they've dropped because
of the quarterback situations unknown.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
When a team comes back, and a team comes back
with a good quarterback, they're always ranked higher. So I'm
sure that's what's really hurting them right now.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, I think you're right that public perception a little bit,
which is surprising, like the defense and special teams being
able to carry and of weight. That byus hovering outside
the top twenty five, that's still an impressive feed to
get a little pre season hype right outside the top
twenty five.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
Especially losing you know the quarterway, especially the restaurants. I mean, yes,
it shows who they are.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
I'm not having seen I have not seen it yet.
Where's Utah, Citty.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Utah sitting right now? Top twenty five? I think they're
right there as.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Well, just behind BYUH officially twenty seven twenty seven.
Speaker 14 (32:12):
Yeah, and I think and honestly I think both BYU
and Utah are two underrated teams this year.
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I think Utah's going to do some really good things.
I mean, what quarterback play was there a major issue
last year and they've got a big.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Climb upgrade, you know, are.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
I think he's going to do some.
Speaker 12 (32:28):
Really really good things, assuming assuming Winningham will give him
a green light, which in the past he hasn't said.
Speaker 10 (32:34):
Who knows, but I think Utah BYU both are.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Too low in those polls.
Speaker 10 (32:39):
But good, let let us do the underdogs and let
us have a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Well, then, on that subject of underdogs, every year, for
since pretty close to the turn of the century, I
think there's always been a team, maybe not quite every year,
but close to every year since the turn of the century,
there's always been a team that starts outside of the
ap top twenty five and doesn't just finish inside the
top twenty five, but finishes inside the top ten. Do
(33:05):
you have any confidence that that team can be BYU
or maybe even Utah this year if we want to
talk about the dirty years, I don't know whatever, But
is there any confidence do you think from the fan
base at BYU can maybe be that team?
Speaker 14 (33:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:17):
I think there's no question.
Speaker 10 (33:18):
I think look, I mean throw you to a little
bit of a ball, and I think they both are.
Speaker 12 (33:22):
But I think YU specifically, I mean my expectations is
the top fifteen finish in before not top fifteen.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
It is going to be a disappointing season. Now, are
we a playoff or bust? I mean, I'd love to
say that as a fan, but as a realist, no,
But I think it's possible. But the reality of it
is twenty six is low. But good, let's find Let's
be that team this year. Let's be the underdogs. You know,
have that in the locker room and pulse. Look, they
(33:49):
can't even rank you in the top twenty five.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Let them have that.
Speaker 8 (33:54):
You know, we can't have you on the sports talk
radio without asking for some takes, some fiery takes, and
I won't ask you for too many fiery takes about
BYU training camp, all that stuff. Maybe we'll leave that
to Ben for a quick minute. But nationally, kind of
on that same note, for the last twenty two seasons straight,
at least one team ranked in the top ten of
(34:16):
the AP preseason poll has finished the year un ranked.
I'm gonna give you the top ten. Okay, one through ten.
I want you to tell me which of these teams
do you think maybe has the strongest case. So basically,
I'm gonna ask you for an overrated team. Kay, I'll
give you the top ten it's one starting number one, Texas,
Penn State, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, LSU, Miami.
(34:43):
Is there a name in the jumps out there that
you go, you know what this might this team may
be on rank by the end of the season.
Speaker 10 (34:51):
Well too, Miami and.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Order Day are the two for me.
Speaker 12 (34:57):
Okaya quarterback play on both is why I say that?
Speaker 7 (35:03):
Okay, so he said so. Not not a fan of
the U.
Speaker 8 (35:06):
The other U, the one on the East coast and
Coral Gables or Notre Dame. Notre Dame's are really trained
to pick, Tim, I'm not going to lie to make
it to the college football Playoff. What what gives you pause?
With the Irish, particularly you meant to quarterback play?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I think, well, I just think just unknown, right, Look,
Notre Dame.
Speaker 10 (35:27):
Notre Dame's always good, but Notre Dame hasn't done much
in the last how many years?
Speaker 12 (35:33):
And I think they get an automatic kind of like
an SEC and automatic bomb and they haven't do anything.
I could be completely wrong, and they may be the
darting of the season, but on paper, I just to
me it's an overrated team.
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We're going to delve into a little Olympic sports report.
Women's soccer finishing up their exhibition matches and uh, you know,
not the result you may be wanted, But maybe this
is a nice swift kick in the pants for this
lady Koog's team to get back on the right track
and back to their winning ways. They're trying to get
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Speaker 2 (39:41):
Didn't like this silver lining though, b why you.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Sophomore goalkeeper Peyton Collins had five saves on the night.
Considering we're trying to find a replacement for late I
guess a late attrition in that in that goalkeeper position.
That's a good sign. So silver linings here, that's good.
Five saves on the night. Byu should not have tied
(40:11):
to the Utah Tech Trailblazers in their.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Preseason for nowt the Cougars did. I think they They.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Outshot the visiting Trailblazers eighteen to thirteen, but it's thirteen
too many for Utah Tech for Byu to be given up.
The Trailblazers opened aggressively, with the first shot of the
game in the third minute, which was saved by Peyton Collins.
Byu got his first score scoring opportunity in the seventh
minute of the game when a Utah Tech foul gave
(40:37):
junior ford Eli Wallbrook a penalty kick, which she buried
in the top left corner to make the score one zero.
In the twenty second minute, the Cougars nearly added to
their lead when a shot in the box by Afton
Perry was blocked. Seconds later, Sophie zivivulas oh Man zivul
(40:59):
Litch zil Zivulich had a shot on goal which was
saved on the line. The trail Lager's closest opportunity of
the first half came in the fortieth minute when a
shot went off the right goal post. In the opening period,
there was a combined total of eleven penalties. That's sloppy,
with BYU being responsible for eight of them. That's not
(41:19):
what you'd like to see well, especially on your home pitch.
While Utah Tech led it in time of possession the
first half, having the ball fifty four percent of the time,
BYU had the advantage in shots, leading nine to six
and the second half. The Trailblazers began the second period
with the pressure as they took the first three shots,
including one off the crossbar.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
In the fifty seventh.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Minute of the Trailblazers, they they even the score one
to one when Tessa Thornton shot to the top left
corner sailed past Collins. BYU had its chances late in
the game, with four corner kicks in the final eight minutes,
couldn't convert. In the final minute, a shot inside the
box by Sebulich Sivulic give it to me again, Savulag.
(42:06):
You can tell I have not been covering the women's
soccer team yet and this is a new name went
over the net, which proved to be the last chance
for either team as the game concluded one to one
up next to The Cougars will begin regular season action
on the road at number twenty four Minnesota on Thursday,
August fourteenth, at six pm out time. Sean Walker, you
were in attendance? What did you see? What did you like?
(42:29):
What did you just like?
Speaker 8 (42:31):
I can neither confirm nor deny that I was there.
Just canning confirm I was there.
Speaker 7 (42:37):
I was there.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Unfortunately in this this looks like a team that is
missing its leading goal.
Speaker 7 (42:45):
Scorer from last year. Ali Fryar out for the season.
Speaker 8 (42:48):
She hurt her lower leg foot slash ankle somewhere in
that area.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Somewhere in the area and ankle area of the foot
in it.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Is it not out yet? No one gone on record
about it the injury or no.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
It's a it's a foot ankle. Actually it's a lower
leg injury, foot slash ankle injury. She's said to have
surgery uh this week, so she will be out for
the entire year. I know there are a lot of
rubors circulating online. She went and played in the Blue
White Scrimmage a couple of weeks ago. That was kind
of her last gas export effort she had, she had
the surgery scheduled and so she was always going to
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be out for that year.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
And that's a brutal blow for this b YU women's soccer.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Team, a team that was just barely getting back Ellie Wallbrook,
friend of the program, UH that look to lead an
attack with McKenzie Vance coming back the other UCLA transfer,
and then obviously uh Friar there on the wing. They
have some really nice freshman attackers that I think are
(43:56):
going to wind up seeing a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
UH.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
The aforementioned Sophie Savula out of South Weber wassatches c
product Northwards High School up there. She started both exhibition matches,
had a brace in the first one before one win
over Southern Utah. But this is a team that needs
a veteran attacker and Ali Fryar was going to be
that piece until she picked up an offseason injury and
(44:21):
unfortunately we'll had to have a little bit of surgery.
So nine freshmen on this BYU roster ben as many
as three of them started during the exhibition season.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
We mentioned Savulich.
Speaker 8 (44:33):
Also Afton Perry, the midfielder out of West Lake High
School started both games as well. There will be another
goalkeeper battling for that spot alongside Peyton Collins in American Fork,
Sarah Mathis. She won a national title over the summer
with Utah United, so very very high quality, very talented goalkeeper.
(44:53):
But there are a lot of moving pieces on this
BYU women's soccer team.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
You would hope that last.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Year's nine to seven and five season that they'd be
able to build on that, but the reality of the
house settlements and a number of roster cuts, trimming the
roster down to I think it was twenty eight players
almost overnight, and doing it before. By the way, the
amended house settlement which allowed for some grandfathered limits as well.
(45:23):
That didn't help as well, and neither did the lay
transfer of former goalkeeper Lynnete Arnez, who has left the program,
not transferred out of the program, left the program. She
is as far as everything can be seen, she's done
with college soccer right now.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
It's just barely got married. I'm not sure if.
Speaker 8 (45:44):
She graduated from high school or from college, so she
may still be happy YU as a student. I know
her husband was a senior on the track and field team.
Maybe that played into it as well, so Yeah, there's
gonna be a long goalkeeper battle. I think between Collins
between Mathis. Those are kind of two of the risers.
They also picked up Utah transfer goalkeeper Chelsea Peterson.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
She started. Is that made? Has that been made official?
Speaker 7 (46:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (46:10):
She's she is officially on the roster, she's in the program.
She is she is there should be a junior from
Ram High this year. She started nineteen games for the
Utes back in twenty twenty one. Talley the fourth most
saviss in school history in twelve during that run, finished
(46:31):
the season with seventy seven seventy seven saves in seven
and seventy eight minutes. For a little bit of kind
of that Iron woman role, if you will. So she
played three seasons at the U before serving a church
mission in the Manchester, England mission as well. So she
winds up at at BYU and then the fourth fourth
(46:54):
goalkeeper that they picked up should be a sophomore officially
by eligibility. She was at BYU last year. She ran
track for the BYU track and field team out of
Loan Peak High School. That's Eva chen H five foot
ten sophomore from UH from high Land, also coming off
of a mission fairly recently in Madrid, Madrid, Spain, the
(47:17):
Madrid South.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Mission for both fantastic missions.
Speaker 7 (47:19):
Yeah yeah, so another good mission, right, I.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Mean, I love my mission. I love my mission. Good
missions gotta qualify Chester and Madrid. You can't make two
good places of surf, right goodness.
Speaker 8 (47:31):
Eva was a two time Reason champion for the Nights
as well first team All State by the Desright News
in twenty twenty one, twenty two, the Daily Harald Goalkeeper
of the Year back in twenty twenty two to another
high quality prep product who thought she was going to matriculate,
back in twenty twenty three to BYU to run rack
UH and now all over to the women's soccer program
(47:54):
as well. So so there are options, There are options
there in that backstop. It's just my her of finding
the right fit in there, but I think there are
plenty of options. More concerned is going to be that
force up front McKenzie vance I mentioned her she was,
she'll be a senior this year, the former UCLA transfer.
She is day to day or week to week with
(48:16):
a knock that she picked up over the summer as well,
and so that's just going to be probably some trial
by fire by with obviously Ellie Wahlberg in the middle
of that attacking group, but relying on a lot of
youth in the likes of Savulich, who else. Miyakichi also
(48:40):
saw a lot of time coming off the bench. Cassidy
Drago played a decent amount during the exhibition season. But
these are all young players, freshmen and sophomores, and it'll
be another really young roster. I think for this bou
and the soccer team.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Is this another rebuild year?
Speaker 7 (49:00):
What you say another? Was last year a rebuild year?
Speaker 8 (49:05):
Because last year was a rebuild year, and yet they
still finished top four in the Big twelve and a
very good Big Twelve conference, made it to the Big
Twelve tournament semifinals, got to the nc Double A Tournament
largely on the back of their RPI very rough, very brutal,
a very stringent non conference season, but they still made
it to the NCAA Tournament, lost in that first round.
(49:25):
One No, the Santa Clara the WCC champs, long running history,
long running rivalry. I'll even say with BYU women soccer,
and I think this could be another similar year for BYU.
They loaded up in non conference play. They'll open this
Thursday with a road trip to Minnesota, the front half
of a two game roadswing at Minnesota and at cal Pauly.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
And then they saw last year was a reload, not
a rebuild.
Speaker 8 (49:49):
Uh yeah, I mean yet last year was absolutely a reloaded.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Year, reload, not a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
And so this year is just hey, you're if you
get to the nc DOUAA tournament. Hey, you're in the
you're in the dance, you're on the pitch, you're playing,
and anything could happen.
Speaker 9 (50:05):
And I thinky part about this year was you weren't
banking on Ali being out, and Ali Fryar makes you
a Big twelve title contender.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
This is a survivor. This is like not a survivor,
This is a thrive in advance with a fry.
Speaker 9 (50:17):
And And that's the thing because she's your leading goal
scorer and Elie Wahlbrooke is coming back off Andrey McKenzie
vance has been day to day week week, as we
know from what Jen toldas, hasn't played. That's the tough
part in that regard because now that you weren't banking
on that, now that she's not out, it is okay.
So is this gonna look like last because you're missing pieces.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
That's the biggest two curve balls and your goalkeepers out
right right before kickoff lay back. But you weren't banking
on losing experience, and that happened again. I think sean
not necessarily a rebuild, but a reload because when you
have what you had the year before last season, when
you're going to the College Cup final and you're making
(50:56):
deep runs, you need veteran players to make that.
Speaker 7 (50:59):
We saw that with you know, Olivia Katoa.
Speaker 9 (51:01):
They got drafted Smith Griffith, Jamie Shepherd right Vodka brecka Mazingo.
That is a different conversation now when those players weren't
those players were healthy and we're able to play. So
that's the tough part right now, Ben is they have
to get those players back to advance.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So the expectations for them hasn't changed.
Speaker 9 (51:18):
But I think our view of it is like, okay,
your top four to finish in the conference. I don't
know if I can say you'll be in the Big twelve,
you know, title game. We have to see how the
season goes. Very well could be, but when you don't
have a player, that changes. I think my view of
it in that regard that's unfortunately.
Speaker 8 (51:33):
The good news for this BOLU women's soccer program is yes,
they went and Jen Rockwood did Jen rock with things
loaded up on non conference play because I mentioned the
two game broad swinging at Minnesota Act caw Paly. They
also got UCLA, Auburn, Arkansas all coming in to Southfield
in state rivalries with Utah State and Utah Valley before
they jump into Big twelve play, and that could be
(51:55):
a five hundred or maybe just under five hundred team
just based off of the quality. I'll even say, I'll
use the word the brutality of that non very very good. Yeah,
it's a very tough schedule. You get a lot of
them at home, but a lot of really really good
teams coming into Southfield. That sets up Big twelve play
(52:15):
where the Big twelve schedule makers actually did b yuad
number of favors in here kept them very regionally compact, Intact, Arizona, Arizona.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
State, Utah All on all on the schedule.
Speaker 8 (52:30):
They don't have to play TCU, which is the preseason
pick to win the conference with the former tavor Nata
seven casting leading that attack. That's a really big deal.
They get the likes of West Virginia Cincinnati at home
so they don't have to go to the other side
of the country. I think they only have one long yeah,
(52:51):
one long road trip that's not till October twenty seven
when they play at UCF before ending the season at Utah,
So a little bit of travel in there, But otherwise,
this schedule is very manageable once they get through a
very tough non conference schedule. So uh, this is a
team that could learn some on the fly, probably take
(53:12):
some lumps early. I would expect for them to take
some lumps early, whether that's in results or not, but
that could also leave them battle tested to get back
into the NCAA tournament in another year. Where again, like
I mentioned, they've got nine freshmen on this roster, including
as many as three or four that could be starting
this year.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
What's the win total for this squad this year? That's tough.
Then it's the win total ask at the beginning, man
or the total.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
You've seen them, You've seen the exhibitions, you've seen the talent,
you've seen the roster, you've seen the potential.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
You know the coaching staff. Give me a win total.
Speaker 8 (53:47):
They won nine nine games last year. That was with
Ali Fryer, but also without Ellie Wahlbrick. I'm gonna go
the same thing, and this team wins nine games nine
it is, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go two more.
I think think they'll be able to pull off tomorrowgo eleven.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
I'll go give them two more.
Speaker 9 (54:04):
With Elie Becker, do think she is a difference maker,
but I do think Ali Fryer limits that.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
I'll go no more than eleven. There you go. I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
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