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Welcome in former Bo great NFL VET, the quarterback siinetists
of three DQB. We got John Beck on the line. John,
How theck are you?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Jian good? Ben?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
How are you doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
How did the Beck fan fair in their football games?
Each weekend?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
A successful weekend for the Beck boys all around three wins,
So it was good.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
It was a fun weekend to enjoy some success, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Which was the most satisfying win out of the three?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well, the littlest, the nine year old, was probably the
most hyped because he scored the game winning touchdown with
like a minute left to go in the game, and
then when the other team got the ball, he stilled
it with an interception on like their third play, so
he was probably he was probably the most hyphed. He
was the one that wanted to couple, would show his brothers,
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you know, you guys got to see my plays.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
On the camera. Okay, I would say for him it
was a big win for the little guy.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You need Uncle Ben needs the film needs to be
able to check tape on this one. So send it
over John as you have time. I need that and
uh to celebrate with him.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
All right, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Love it man, John Beck here on ESPN the fan
glad all is well in your well by us two
and O baby, they beat the Stanford Cardinal the acc
FO coming into Brigham. They they've they've avenged you, John,
They've avenged you. The b YU Cougar football team in
the modern era twenty twenty two or twenty twenty five
have avenged the losses of three and four. How does
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that feel? Does it feel to you? Know that? You know,
I know it hurt right back in the day when
you were a true freshman and maybe a supporting cast
that was young talented. Those losses probably here, but it's
got to feel good as a former Cooksie in the
current Cougars, avenge, avenge you if you will.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It's funny to know that I was catching on the pregame.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think that was only the fourth time that the
schools have bet. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Like I would have never guessed that, just because as
my time there, we played them twice, you know, my
freshman year that was my first start there at home,
and then my second year that was a game that
during pregame warmups, I was shot up and trying to
see if I could throw the ball, and really wasn't
very accurate throwing the football. But then I ended up
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playing in the fourth quarter of that game and we
lost it. But it was weird for me to be like, wait,
so we've only actually played them two more times, or
were one more time.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This was the fourth outside of those two games, you know,
in both times that we played them.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm trying to think my freshman year, I think they
actually started a true freshman as well, Trent Edwards, who
was my same draft class, and so both programs at
that time were.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
A bit in a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So it's great to see that BYU, you know, being
in a good spot this year and a solid football
team can go out and get a win against Stanford
and you know, it looks it is an acc foe.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I know that Stanford's going through.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A lot of you know things with their program right now.
You see Andrew Luck on the sideline trying to rally
the troops. And they brought in an interim coach, but
are not interim but a guy that's going to be
there only for a year. But you know, it's still Stanford.
It's still recruiting the way that Stanford recruits. It's still
an acc program. And I know they had their struggles offensively,
but it's good to see by You get a win
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against a program like Stanford, which you know has had
solid years and you know it does. It's always nice
when you see by You beat a team that you
know recruits.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You can kind of say against BYU.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
There's a lot of good kids that they choose between
Stanford and BYU.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And in going back to that two thousand and three
game where when you were that was your true freshman season, right.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean freshmen meaning like off of the mission. Yeah,
off freshman, not a freshman off high school yet.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, but like it was your first year of playing
college football and by you at that time, okay, was
in a bit of a rebuild, let's be honest, coming
off of you know the one uh you know that
that height, that bar had been set, but then the
recruiting maybe wasn't where it needed to be to a
certain degree, and there was a rebuild under under Croton
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two thousand and two, two thousand and three, and there
was a lot of young players that were required to
trot on out and beat a pretty good stamp for
team in two thousand and three. And now this year,
you look at the contrast Bear Bachmeier twenty twenty five,
true freshman seeing technically his first start. I mean it's
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his you know, second start. But I mean that Portland
State game was a was an exhibition. It was just
a you know, glorified practice. If you will contrast those
two games, if you will, could you like, I mean,
what you guys were experiencing two thousand and three to
what you guys what you're seeing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So you're saying the three game into the twenty five game.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, exactly like what was happening there in two thousand
and three. And then what are you seeing, you know
this BYU football team pretty well twenty twenty five. There's
two there's some common themes. Reshman quarterbacks leading leading BYU
versus a P five P four football team with more resources,
better recruiting, all those things and you're trying to win
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on your home turf.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the similarities are, you know,
youth at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
At that time back in three, I think Byu had
not been to a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In O two, I know the one season was a
five hundred season. I believe to save Labelle's record of
winning seasons in a row, if like, if my memory's right,
they had to beat Utah at the end of the
year to salvage a non losing season and then they
had that exciting one season.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But O two was not a bowl game team.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
O three we put a lot of young players on
the field around me, Like I just think back to
it felt like we're going to give all these young
guys the experience, knowing down the road, this.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Will be a good football team.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Because I think the number of times I completed passes
to a young Dan Coates, a young Philip Knew. Mark
Hansen was out there playing receiver who didn't get to finish,
but he was a freshman, same as me, just off
his mission.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, it's funny there was multiple guys just off of.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Missions that year that we're making plays in that three game.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And so tons and tons of you. So that's probably
one of the differences.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I look around Bear and there's a lot of veteran players.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a system that has been around that has been
you know, been successful.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The guys have spent a lot of time in you know,
sometimes it can be tough when you have multiple coordinators
over a number of seasons.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know, sometimes you'll.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Get collegetable players that they have two and three coordinators
during their time. It's great that there's been consistency at
BYU with a Rod and Kilane's staff that it really
helps the development of players. I think also just what
it feels like to be a osess. There's a lot
of players on this team that have been a part
of successful seasons, seasons where guys have gone to Bowl games.
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Last year's team got to experience a lot of success,
and that does impact the mind It does impact that
the belief around the program of having good things happen.
A lot of the times when you're in a rebuild,
you're having to overcome the belief and the mindsets of
the players that have been a part of that team
over the.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Past couple seasons.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, coming off of seasons where you don't go
to a bowl game. There's a lot of things that
linger in the culture and linger in the mentality of
a lot of players, and you really have to have
a major push from within to turn things around and
get it going in the right direction. And I look
at this Bius team, I think they have to have
a lot of confidence going into this season, a lot
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of confidence now being too and O and I know
that there was some sputtering that happened, you know, at
times on the offensive side of the ball. You know,
there was a few plays that they work out, a
couple drops some air and place some penalties after a
touchdown that moved the ball backwards as a BYU has
to settle for a field goal. But I would tend
to believe that the belief is that even though we're
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starting a young quarterback, there are so many guys on
this team with.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
A lot of confidence in what's going to happen and
what they can do.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
John, This is what I'm getting at with this question.
You were a true freshman quarterback that in many ways
was required or maybe even expected to go out and
win a game for bou at Lavelle Edwards Stadium BYU fans.
I think at times look at the quarterback position. They
look at maybe even Bear Bachmeyer, and they're like, hey,
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he's got to win football games for him or BYU.
And I'm like, I don't think that's what is happening
right now, and I don't think that should be the expectation.
Bear Bachmeyer should not be required to win football games
for BYU. Everybody else around him should be required to
win football game for By and Bear should manage the
game and not mess it up. Would you say that
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that's an accurate depiction of what you're seeing offensively right now?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, I would say that I agree to the point
that they don't need to place it on his shoulders.
It doesn't need to all fall on his shoulders right now,
with the opponents that they're playing, with the scheme that
they have, and with the talent that's around Bear, it
should be about the other guys.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Bear is just distributing, you.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Know, And yes, is that what quarterbacks are supposed to do.
It is, But when you watch some games, they know,
all right, we are putting it on our junior or
our senior quarterback, and he is going to go out
there and he is going to because of his ability
to create plays, make plays, decision making. We can actually
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call a game that puts a lot on his plate
because we know he can carry this team.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And no, that's not what.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
BYU needs to do right now, that's not what they
should be doing right now. You know, Bears, when you
watch the games right now, the way that they're distributing
the football and the play calls so that it's about
taking a lot of that off of his shoulders. It's
still going to allow him to play football when they
need him to play football, but they can pick up
yards by distributing it in what's called quick little now
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screens out on the edges. A lot of the times
you have a run play that's built in, and if
they don't match numbers out on the edge, it's just
pitching catch to a receiver out in.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The perimeter with blockers out in front of him, so
there is no read.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
In some of the other plays that they run that
are built off of some of their actions, it's the
same type thing, right It's I'm making a decision, a
yes or no decision. The ball's either being thrown to
that player or I'm either giving a run or I'm
involved in the run game myself.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
As a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All of those things take pressure off of a quarterback
decision making.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Are there some plays that he does have to do it? Yes,
you see him going.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Through his progressions and you know, and some of them
are the plays where you see growth needing to happen,
and that's always going to happen with a young quarterback.
Do I think that there's going to be some games
coming up in conference where they're going to have to
utilize and rely on more on some of the things
that Bear is going to have to do from a
decision making standpoint, Absolutely, because teams are going to say,
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we're going to do everything we can to stop you
from beating us the way you're winning football right now,
and we're going to make you place more on your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That's what they're going to have to do. Now.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Can they match Yu's personnel? Can they stop BYU's run
game to allow.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Them to do that? You know?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Can they manage the box the way that they hope
to against Byu?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's what teams don't know yet. To this point in time.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Byu has ran really well against their first opponent, and
they ran pretty dang good against Stanford the other night
until a team can stop the run.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Game BYU is going to be in control the majority
of the time.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
John Beck, you're on ESPN the Fan rehashing recapping the
b one you Stamford game Bear Bachmeier as well here
on your Utah ESPN Radio Network. What did you like
from Bear's performance and what would you like to see
improved upon going forward?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I thought the good thing was this looked like
a football game where you know, last week he threw
the ball what eleven times, I think he was seven
for eleven, really didn't have to do a lot, didn't
have a lot of.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
People in his face.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This was good for him because he made a few
really good throws with guys in his face. I thought
a great throw was a little drift route off of
a little gun action that he kind of fit in
a tight window to chase as his arm was getting hit.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That was a really, really good throw. He had another throw.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
To Carson Ryan I believe it was on an out
route to biu sideline a little bit later in the
game might have been. And the third beginning a fourth
the defensive lineman for Stanford broke a double team and
did a really good job of getting in Bear's face,
and he had to kind of throw from small space.
He threw the ball very on time, very accurate, with
guys in his face. As you have to beat the
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better football teams, your quarterback has.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To be able to make those plays.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So I thought it was good for Bear in his
second start to be able to make some of those
plays of what it's going to feel like in a
kind of a more condensed, tighter pocket, more bodies around him.
You could see at times that the space that he
was given was limited, and yes, it affected the accuracy
on a few throws.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
There was a few drops, but it's what it looks
like when you have to play a better opponent.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Now, can BYU do a better job on not stalling
out on some of the drives. Absolutely did bear airmail
of ball to the back corner that he put a
little too much on to chase in the back corner. Yeah,
where there are a couple throws that could have been
a titch more accurate and could have helped. Yes, now
again still a couple drops, but those are the things
that actually as a young developing quarterback, feeling what that
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feels like in the game to make those throws, to
feel that pressure right in your face. He's going to
grow from all of that. So it's great to see
that he nailed a couple of them, and it's also
good for him just to experience that, because as the
weeks come along, I'm telling you there's going to be
some games where he's going to be even under murderess.
And I know where there's some sacks that's part of football,
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but that was very much more like what it's going
to feel like in conference playing.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
When you evaluate those sacks, how much of it is
it protection and how much of it is bear needing
to recognize an extra man coming off the edge and
accounting for that and then getting the ball out quick
or evading the rush or avoiding the rush.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
When you go back and you watch it, the one
thing that you don't know as an observer is you
don't know the exact protection rules and well, and like
what I mean by that is there's some staple protections
where based off of the front, based off of the
amount of guys in protection, you can guess, hey, they're
probably going to six man pro right here, and the
line based off of the front is probably going to
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slide the wheel and the back's on a duel read.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Okay, what if though, going on into that week, the
rules are tweaked a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What if because of what Stanford does, They're now going
to put the scan to the line. The back is
going to be singled up on the mic and you
know he was my left tackle supposed to stay on
the end right here is my left tackle is supposed
to fan all the way to the widest.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was that on the tackle?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Because as a quarterback, you know the rules in your head,
and so when you line up and you look at
the front and you see the shell of the safety's
tilt and you think, okay, that nickel might be top.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
They can bring the nickel off the edge.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, based on my rules, if I'm in a sort
slide away from my back and I anticipate the tackle
to go all the way out to the to the
nickel coming off the edge, I'm going to play the
game assuming my backside is protected, especially if my eyes
are front side on a reed. So if all of
a sudden the quarterbacks hid in the back, it's easy
to go, oh, why didn't the quarterback do something? Why
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didn't the quarterback see them?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Or feeling. As a quarterback, you have.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
To anticipate and believe in your line's protection, especially if
your eyes are away from that. So it's hard to judge, like,
I don't know sometimes, Hey, was that the tackle that
I was.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Supposed to go?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There was that bear that was supposed to know that
they're not setting for the widest are they sometimes in
what's called as a key or a scan protection or
the running back if he doesn't get front site pressure
scans to the backside, it could have been on the
running back.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So until you know the rules, you actually.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Can't go in and place any responsibility on the quarterback,
the line, or the running back. And that's why sometimes
some of the media personalities that you see across college
football and the NFL and they start to become critical
of the line or the backs or the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Until you are actually in the room and you know
the rules of what's going on, you can't give any criticism.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So really what it goes down to is and that
might have been a long answer, but that's a football
answer right there, of what goes on in the meetings
and how the coaches and team will talk about situations.
Until you know that it's all going to be about
the growth of the group in general. And so you know,
some of the sacks, like it was tight, and some
some of the sacks had good coverage. And for Bear
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right now, you go back to that thing where you
said Bears not being asked to win football games.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He's being asked to be smart.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Sometimes those sacks are smart. Hey, there's limited space around you.
You know your your primary and secondary read and the
progression are not open.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Don't go force the ball somewhere. Don't go just throw
it up hoping something can happen.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
You can live to take a sack right here, Take
a sack, go to second or third down, or punt
the ball right now. You know Stanford's offense was really struggling,
so there's no need to force anything.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The game's not on the line. You know, you got
a seventeen to twenty point lead, twenty three point lead,
whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
It's fine, take a sack, move on to the next play.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
John Beck breaking down the BYU Stanford game as well
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Were there any individual efforts, any execution either offensively or
defensively that stood out to you in this game, be
it LJ. Martins, you Ony moa offensive, Chase Roberts had
a pretty good game defensively, Isaiah Glasker, Jack Kelly, Keanu Utanavasa,
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John Tomwaipayo, a lot of great plays. Raider de Mooney
had a really nice play on that pick and his return.
Anyone that you thought, hey, they had a great game,
good individual performance.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, I think it was good to see our backs
have some chunk runs against a better defensive front, and
so you know, and you got to tip your hat
to the offensive line because they're the ones creating it.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Good to see breaking through some arm tackles, getting into
the second level and having some chunk runs. Those are
really really big to what they do to a defense.
You talk about explosive plays, it's very easy as an
offense to be like, we need to create explosive plays,
and you look to the pass game for explosive plays.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
B Yu has done a good.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Job in previous years of getting some explosive plays off
of plays. You know, you saw Jake Retzlop a number
of times on some key third downs, a nice little
option play that would pick up twenty plus yards to
be able to pick up explosive plays in the run game.
I thought was great to see, especially against a better front. Yes,
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the defense, you know, not an individual but group defense,
I thought did a great job. Anytime you pitch a
shutout for that long in a game, it's a great thing.
But I just think when I look back to, Okay,
me being an offensive guy and.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Some of the stuff that stood out, Man, you love
to see.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Some chunk plays from your run game as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That helps you in the play calling as well.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You look at Yu later in the game, you know,
I want to say it was the fourth quarter, beginning
of the fourth quarter BYU had probably only thrown the
ball for about one hundred and ten to one hundred
and twenty yards really without a chunk play in the
pass game. And you see the big post that they
were able to get to chase later in the game,
and you look at the box and the front and
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the safety down into the box.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
A lot of that can be traced.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Back to run game and creating chunk plays in the
run game and what an opponent is going to try
to do. And now maybe it could because later in
the game they anticipated in BYU trying to run the
clock and so they bring the safety down. But when
I look to how do you create chunk plays off
play pass, it's having a consistent run game that also
creates explosive plays in the run game and what that
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does to a defense and how then you can start
to dictate some of the shot plays, the keeper game,
and the things that you can do off of play pass.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
As a coordinator, I wanted to go back to the
Chase Roberts throw. Bear from the opposite Hash had a
nice timing throw on a comeback and Chase was dialed
in on his footwork, came back to it and created
some space and was able to get some yak as well.
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I think that was the past you were talking about.
To the field. What did you make of that particular throw.
I didn't think it was like a high velocity throw,
but it was a great timing throw. It may have
floated a little bit, but that gave me a little
bit more optimism John that Bear can get the ball
out there. It's a little bit lower trajectory on his
deep ball than I would like when guys are running
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under it. On the deep post to Chase, but he's
got good enough arm strength, I think, to make most
of the throws well.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
If you look at that comeback throw, the impressive thing
was the trust because when.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Bear let that ball.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Go, that defensive player actually had a decent position.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
They were locked up. Like in all honesty, had.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
He turned that throw down, you also wouldn't have knocked
him for turning the throw down because the defender really
didn't give.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
A ton of space.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
He squatted a little bit at the top of Chase's route.
You know, Chase had to do a lot to create
separation at the top of that route to come down.
So the impressive thing was actually the trust that Bear
had to make that throw in Chase.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The location that Bear threw.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
That ball, I think one of the reasons why he
put a little you know, loft on it was because
trying to get the ball there faster with more zip
would not have helped because of how they were tied
up at the top of that route.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He basically just.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Had to post up on the corner and then Bear
needed to throw a ball downhill and away and let
Chase use his big frame and extension to go get
that ball. So When I look at plays like that,
that is trust. That's a young quarterback trusting his senior
receiver and saying, look, the ball needs to get out
right now, and I'm going to throw it because I
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have the confidence that if I put this down in
a way, you're going to come back and you're going
to make sure that it's you that gets this ball,
not the defender. And so you know, and it's like
I said too, it's also trust in his body. Chase
is a very big framed guy. It's what's some of
the NFL teams I know are going to be interested
in as.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They evaluate him. But to me, that is a guy
just saying you're gonna make this play. I know you're
gonna make it. I'm gonna give you this chance.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Great breakdown. John Beck here on ESPN the Fan, what
did you make of that deep ball from Bear Bachmeyer
to Chase Roberts. Nice little play action was able to
just grip and rip coming out of that seven step
drop and play action game and Chase created separation and
there was a big chunkyardist play good momentum.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, you know, they took a shot earlier in the game.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It was a little tricky because the single high safety did.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Go to the to the move with the over route
and then tried to kind of rechase back over the post,
and it was Bear had to keep it skinny, and
it just was overshot the littlest bit.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And I know in last week's game there were a
few downfield throws that kind of hung on him a
little bit and ended up just like a little short
where guys had to.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Come back and make plays.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So for Bear, I thought it was great because this
was probably the first ball on a shot type play
that he just dropped right in the bucket, you know,
and it was a pre snap alert because there was
no safety and they got the exact look that you
wanted to get. You saw similar plays Zach's year, Jaron's
year in the really efficient game. You would see them
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get up and really the way that the safeties were
playing so low.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And close to the box, you know you're going to
have that post alert.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Chase did a great job of creating separation and Bear
dropped it in perfectly and stride, so you know, to me,
it was their first true alert shot play of the
season that worked out.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Really really well, and the timing and accuracy was really
on John.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Last thing from you before we let you go bye
week is here and b Yu, I'm sure we'll work
on a few things Chase Roberts mentioned for his Bible.
He's like, I'm just going to get a ton of
reps with Bear and just get our timing down. I'm
sure he's got to work with all of the wide receivers,
but you know, you do have some load management in there.
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But like, how many reps are you would you advise
Bear to get with his wide receivers, and especially Chase Roberts.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well, I think it's early in the season, so it's
not like a week six, Week seven, where a lot
of times it's so much about the body, like let
me get away.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I could see why guys would be hungry.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think the other reason is is they probably understand
that you know, they through eleven times seven completions in
the first game. I don't have the stats off the
top of my head for this game, but like I said,
going into the fourth quarter BYU is barely over one
hundred yards passing, and so they're looking to the future
knowing we're gonna need to be at a certain level
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where we start hitting these tougher opponents.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Bear is still very new to BYU.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I believe he got there in June, so you're talking
about a guy that's been at the school for three months.
You know, hats off to Chase for recognizing the importance
and the value of that chemistry and being on the
same page and the timing and consistency you need to have.
He understands it, and I'm sure Bear does as well.
And when your body's fresh, go in and put in
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some work. I mean, if you will practice during the
bye week, they'll probably take opportunities to build on exactly
what Chase is saying, knowing what's coming in the future.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
The one thing about an early bye week is it
makes it where you have to be very smart as
the season progresses, because.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You're going to have a chunk of games.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
That are just going to be strung out one after another,
and you got to really manage everybody's bodies. That's one
of the tough things about the chemistry between the wide
receivers and the quarterbacks as the season continues. Reps are
usually far more limited as the season goes, and so
you want to build a lot of that chemistry before
the season starts, because when it comes to reps, you
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do not get enough reps in practice to rep every play.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
A lot of the times when I played there, me
and the White.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
House would stay after practice because we knew that there
were certain things that were going to come up, and
maybe we'd only repped once or twice that week and
we needed more of it as we headed into the game,
or something pops up on a Wednesday or Thursday and
you realize, hey, we might get a variation of looks
right here. Let's make sure that we stay after practice
and we get a few of these throws in because
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there's a good chance we're going to see it in
the game. It's just too hard to get those reps
with everybody in practice. You've got to find time on
your own.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Gotta find time the extra time. John. Actually, one last thing,
three DQB. Many parents listen to our show. Many football
players listen to the show. I know they may not
get hands on training during the football season, but you
guys have a service in which you guys evaluate film
and give them some pointers, give them some feedback. If
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they want to align with three DQB train three DQB
dot com.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, just shoot us an email we have an information
page there, and we have somebody that's monitoring all the
emails and stuff, and so you know, we have guys
that already reach out with Hey, is there any way
you know, like for example, bye week, Hey, my bye
week's coming up. I've played my first three games high
for football. You know, I would love some insight. You know,
my coaching staff gives me insight on some things. I
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would love some more insight on some of the things
that I can be doing. And a lot of it
is kids that we've trained during the off season and
they just want some feedback on what their mechanics are like,
what their feet are like, are they maintaining all of
the things that they've worked on throughout the season. You know,
when you don't have a trained eye that's getting to
watch it every single day. At times, especially kids that
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are playing through maybe a dinged ankle.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know, a little bit hurt.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Somewhere, like somebody gets deemed up in their shoulders, somebody
gets hit in their forearm, their hand, like little things
like that can have them take a little toll on
the mechanics. And so a lot of the times it's
about tightening those things up it's about a tune up
when the time is right, and so a lot of
guys will reach out.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And send some film and that can definitely happen.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
John, we appreciate you as always. Thanks for hopping on
for a little keeping up with the Cougars and delving
into this BYU Stamford game. We'll catch up with again
next week. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yep, you welcome. Sounds great, guys, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You they go. That's John Beck of train three d
QB dot com. I really liked what he had to
say about Buyu's Run game, and we've continued to harp
on that throughout Fall Camp. Uh, leaning into the Aaron
Roderick commentary of in his declaration that By's gonna be
able to run the game, run the ball, and they're
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gonna run it well. I think the only criticism coming
out of this Stanford game should be actually, we should
have run the ball more and a Rod should have
trusted l. J. Moore Moore and gotten maybe even Joe
Ves involved. If it's working, you can you can continue
to go with that script. You don't have to always
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lean to your play acts. You don't always have to
lean into your screen game, make them stop it before
you deviate from it. And I think that's a you know,
coming out of the coming out of the second half,
you saw that coming out of the first half, you
saw that Aaron was much more or run focused rather
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than being balanced, and that balance sometimes can put your
true freshman quarterback in a in a sticky situation. Even
to start the game with a quick screen to Jojo Phillips,
they were trying to get Jojo involved early and often
you saw that in the play calling, which I like like.
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I think Jojo had a good game. We wish him well.
He shoulders a little bit. Dinged w was in a
sling in the post game. We'll see how long he's
out for. I understand why he was trying to implement
Jojo into the game plan and get him started off right,
but it may have been best to just hand the
ball off to LJ and ride him to victory versus
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that Stanford defensive front, because he was dominant and so
was the offensive line. My only criticism this game is
first half, we probably should have run the ball more,
and even if it was Joe Vesso or even if
it was Preston Rex, you know, just to spell LJ
and shownick. I would have liked to have seen that
for Stamford to stack the box and then get your
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one on ones, which it did finally in the second half.
That's why you saw Chase on the deep comeback. That's
why you saw Chase on the deep posts because they
had to begin. Stanford's defense had to be a little
bit more aggressive to stop the run. John Beck, Ladies
and gentlemen, guys, you guys want to comment on that,
Ronnie real quick.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, I agree with you, I said, you know, and
to you Ben, I said, it looks like he's getting
a little too cute. And what I mean by that
lot of extra that you really didn't need too much movement.
And I understand you want to get Jojo because he
didn't really get involved last week.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
But Ben, what did I? And I put this tweet
out right and you liked it. LJ.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Martin has carried the ball how many times twenty six
has overtured to some of yards and he hasn't gotten
an end zone yet, which is crazy, averaging an alf
point six yards per carry.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
It's crazy to think of that.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
And then that first drive in the second half, thirteen
plays they ran the ball eight times and then what happened?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
You got into the endzone. And I think that's the
recipe he been.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
He went back to the Oklahoma State running the ball constantly, constantly.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I would have loved to see that more. But that's
why you have to buy. That's why you look at
the film.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And I think going on the road, Ben, if you
want to set up play action pass, if people are
gonna play Chase Roberts single coverage, if you want to
take that deep shot, LJ and Shionam Preston and Joe
Vesa all need to be told the football.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
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Welcome in former Bo great NFL VET, the quarterback siinetists
of three DQB. We got John Beck on the line. John,
How theck are you?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Jian good? Ben?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
How are you doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
How?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
How did the Beck fan fair in their football games?
Each weekend?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
A successful weekend for the Beck boys all around three wins,
So it was good.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
It was a fun weekend to enjoy some success, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Which was the most satisfying win out of the three?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Well, the littlest, the nine year old, was probably the
most hyped because he scored the game winning touchdown with
like a minute left to go in the game, and
then when the other team got the ball, he stilled
it with an interception on like their third play, so
he was probably he was probably the most hyphed. He
was the one that wanted to couple, would show his brothers,
(01:56):
you know, you guys got to see my plays.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
On the camera. Okay, I would say for him it
was a big win for the little guy.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
You need Uncle Ben needs the film needs to be
able to check tape on this one. So send it
over John as you have time. I need that and
uh to celebrate with him.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
All right, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Love it man, John Beck here on ESPN the fan
glad all is well in your well by us two
and O baby, they beat the Stanford Cardinal the acc
FO coming into Brigham. They they've they've avenged you, John,
They've avenged you. The b YU Cougar football team in
the modern era twenty twenty two or twenty twenty five
have avenged the losses of three and four. How does
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that feel? Does it feel to you? Know that? You know,
I know it hurt right back in the day when
you were a true freshman and maybe a supporting cast
that was young talented. Those losses probably here, but it's
got to feel good as a former Cooksie in the
current Cougars, avenge, avenge you if you will.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It's funny to know that I was catching on the pregame.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think that was only the fourth time that the
schools have bet. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Like I would have never guessed that, just because as
my time there, we played them twice, you know, my
freshman year that was my first start there at home,
and then my second year that was a game that
during pregame warmups, I was shot up and trying to
see if I could throw the ball, and really wasn't
very accurate throwing the football. But then I ended up
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playing in the fourth quarter of that game and we
lost it. But it was weird for me to be like, wait,
so we've only actually played them two more times, or
were one more time.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
This was the fourth outside of those two games, you know,
in both times that we played them.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I'm trying to think my freshman year, I think they
actually started a true freshman as well, Trent Edwards, who
was my same draft class, and so both programs at
that time were.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
A bit in a tough spot.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So it's great to see that BYU, you know, being
in a good spot this year and a solid football
team can go out and get a win against Stanford
and you know, it looks it is an acc foe.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I know that Stanford's going through.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
A lot of you know things with their program right now.
You see Andrew Luck on the sideline trying to rally
the troops. And they brought in an interim coach, but
are not interim but a guy that's going to be
there only for a year. But you know, it's still Stanford.
It's still recruiting the way that Stanford recruits. It's still
an acc program. And I know they had their struggles offensively,
but it's good to see by You get a win
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against a program like Stanford, which you know has had
solid years and you know it does. It's always nice
when you see by You beat a team that you
know recruits.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You can kind of say against BYU.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
There's a lot of good kids that they choose between
Stanford and BYU.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And in going back to that two thousand and three
game where when you were that was your true freshman season, right.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean freshmen meaning like off of the mission. Yeah,
off freshman, not a freshman off high school yet.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, but like it was your first year of playing
college football and by you at that time, okay, was
in a bit of a rebuild, let's be honest, coming
off of you know the one uh you know that
that height, that bar had been set, but then the
recruiting maybe wasn't where it needed to be to a
certain degree, and there was a rebuild under under Croton
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two thousand and two, two thousand and three, and there
was a lot of young players that were required to
trot on out and beat a pretty good stamp for
team in two thousand and three. And now this year,
you look at the contrast Bear Bachmeier twenty twenty five,
true freshman seeing technically his first start. I mean it's
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his you know, second start. But I mean that Portland
State game was a was an exhibition. It was just
a you know, glorified practice. If you will contrast those
two games, if you will, could you like, I mean,
what you guys were experiencing two thousand and three to
what you guys what you're seeing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So you're saying the three game into the twenty five game.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, exactly like what was happening there in two thousand
and three. And then what are you seeing, you know
this BYU football team pretty well twenty twenty five. There's
two there's some common themes. Reshman quarterbacks leading leading BYU
versus a P five P four football team with more resources,
better recruiting, all those things and you're trying to win
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on your home turf.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think the similarities are, you know,
youth at the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
At that time back in three, I think Byu had
not been to a bowl game.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In O two, I know the one season was a
five hundred season. I believe to save Labelle's record of
winning seasons in a row, if like, if my memory's right,
they had to beat Utah at the end of the
year to salvage a non losing season and then they
had that exciting one season.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
But O two was not a bowl game team.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
O three we put a lot of young players on
the field around me, Like I just think back to
it felt like we're going to give all these young
guys the experience, knowing down the road, this.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Will be a good football team.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Because I think the number of times I completed passes
to a young Dan Coates, a young Philip Knew. Mark
Hansen was out there playing receiver who didn't get to finish,
but he was a freshman, same as me, just off
his mission.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean, it's funny there was multiple guys just off of.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Missions that year that we're making plays in that three game.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
And so tons and tons of you. So that's probably
one of the differences.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I look around Bear and there's a lot of veteran players.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a system that has been around that has been
you know, been successful.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The guys have spent a lot of time in you know,
sometimes it can be tough when you have multiple coordinators
over a number of seasons.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
You know, sometimes you'll.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Get collegetable players that they have two and three coordinators
during their time. It's great that there's been consistency at
BYU with a Rod and Kilane's staff that it really
helps the development of players. I think also just what
it feels like to be a osess. There's a lot
of players on this team that have been a part
of successful seasons, seasons where guys have gone to Bowl games.
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Last year's team got to experience a lot of success,
and that does impact the mind It does impact that
the belief around the program of having good things happen.
A lot of the times when you're in a rebuild,
you're having to overcome the belief and the mindsets of
the players that have been a part of that team
over the.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Past couple seasons.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, coming off of seasons where you don't go
to a bowl game. There's a lot of things that
linger in the culture and linger in the mentality of
a lot of players, and you really have to have
a major push from within to turn things around and
get it going in the right direction. And I look
at this Bius team, I think they have to have
a lot of confidence going into this season, a lot
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of confidence now being too and O and I know
that there was some sputtering that happened, you know, at
times on the offensive side of the ball. You know,
there was a few plays that they work out, a
couple drops some air and place some penalties after a
touchdown that moved the ball backwards as a BYU has
to settle for a field goal. But I would tend
to believe that the belief is that even though we're
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starting a young quarterback, there are so many guys on
this team with.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
A lot of confidence in what's going to happen and
what they can do.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
John, This is what I'm getting at with this question.
You were a true freshman quarterback that in many ways
was required or maybe even expected to go out and
win a game for bou at Lavelle Edwards Stadium BYU fans.
I think at times look at the quarterback position. They
look at maybe even Bear Bachmeyer, and they're like, hey,
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he's got to win football games for him or BYU.
And I'm like, I don't think that's what is happening
right now, and I don't think that should be the expectation.
Bear Bachmeyer should not be required to win football games
for BYU. Everybody else around him should be required to
win football game for By and Bear should manage the
game and not mess it up. Would you say that
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that's an accurate depiction of what you're seeing offensively right now?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, I would say that I agree to the point
that they don't need to place it on his shoulders.
It doesn't need to all fall on his shoulders right now,
with the opponents that they're playing, with the scheme that
they have, and with the talent that's around Bear, it
should be about the other guys.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Bear is just distributing, you.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Know, And yes, is that what quarterbacks are supposed to do.
It is, But when you watch some games, they know,
all right, we are putting it on our junior or
our senior quarterback, and he is going to go out
there and he is going to because of his ability
to create plays, make plays, decision making. We can actually
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call a game that puts a lot on his plate
because we know he can carry this team.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
And no, that's not what.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
BYU needs to do right now, that's not what they
should be doing right now. You know, Bears, when you
watch the games right now, the way that they're distributing
the football and the play calls so that it's about
taking a lot of that off of his shoulders. It's
still going to allow him to play football when they
need him to play football, but they can pick up
yards by distributing it in what's called quick little now
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screens out on the edges. A lot of the times
you have a run play that's built in, and if
they don't match numbers out on the edge, it's just
pitching catch to a receiver out in.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The perimeter with blockers out in front of him, so
there is no read.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
In some of the other plays that they run that
are built off of some of their actions, it's the
same type thing, right It's I'm making a decision, a
yes or no decision. The ball's either being thrown to
that player or I'm either giving a run or I'm
involved in the run game myself.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
As a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
All of those things take pressure off of a quarterback
decision making.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Are there some plays that he does have to do it? Yes,
you see him going.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Through his progressions and you know, and some of them
are the plays where you see growth needing to happen,
and that's always going to happen with a young quarterback.
Do I think that there's going to be some games
coming up in conference where they're going to have to
utilize and rely on more on some of the things
that Bear is going to have to do from a
decision making standpoint, Absolutely, because teams are going to say,
(12:20):
we're going to do everything we can to stop you
from beating us the way you're winning football right now,
and we're going to make you place more on your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
That's what they're going to have to do. Now.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Can they match Yu's personnel? Can they stop BYU's run
game to allow.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Them to do that? You know?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Can they manage the box the way that they hope
to against Byu?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
That's what teams don't know yet. To this point in time.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Byu has ran really well against their first opponent, and
they ran pretty dang good against Stanford the other night
until a team can stop the run.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Game BYU is going to be in control the majority
of the time.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
John Beck, you're on ESPN the Fan rehashing recapping the
b one you Stamford game Bear Bachmeier as well here
on your Utah ESPN Radio Network. What did you like
from Bear's performance and what would you like to see
improved upon going forward?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, I thought the good thing was this looked like
a football game where you know, last week he threw
the ball what eleven times, I think he was seven
for eleven, really didn't have to do a lot, didn't
have a lot of.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
People in his face.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This was good for him because he made a few
really good throws with guys in his face. I thought
a great throw was a little drift route off of
a little gun action that he kind of fit in
a tight window to chase as his arm was getting hit.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
That was a really, really good throw. He had another throw.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
To Carson Ryan I believe it was on an out
route to biu sideline a little bit later in the
game might have been. And the third beginning a fourth
the defensive lineman for Stanford broke a double team and
did a really good job of getting in Bear's face,
and he had to kind of throw from small space.
He threw the ball very on time, very accurate, with
guys in his face. As you have to beat the
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better football teams, your quarterback has.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
To be able to make those plays.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So I thought it was good for Bear in his
second start to be able to make some of those
plays of what it's going to feel like in a
kind of a more condensed, tighter pocket, more bodies around him.
You could see at times that the space that he
was given was limited, and yes, it affected the accuracy
on a few throws.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
There was a few drops, but it's what it looks
like when you have to play a better opponent.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Now, can BYU do a better job on not stalling
out on some of the drives. Absolutely did bear airmail
of ball to the back corner that he put a
little too much on to chase in the back corner. Yeah,
where there are a couple throws that could have been
a titch more accurate and could have helped. Yes, now
again still a couple drops, but those are the things
that actually as a young developing quarterback, feeling what that
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feels like in the game to make those throws, to
feel that pressure right in your face. He's going to
grow from all of that. So it's great to see
that he nailed a couple of them, and it's also
good for him just to experience that, because as the
weeks come along, I'm telling you there's going to be
some games where he's going to be even under murderess.
And I know where there's some sacks that's part of football,
(15:08):
but that was very much more like what it's going
to feel like in conference playing.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
When you evaluate those sacks, how much of it is
it protection and how much of it is bear needing
to recognize an extra man coming off the edge and
accounting for that and then getting the ball out quick
or evading the rush or avoiding the rush.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah. I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
When you go back and you watch it, the one
thing that you don't know as an observer is you
don't know the exact protection rules and well, and like
what I mean by that is there's some staple protections
where based off of the front, based off of the
amount of guys in protection, you can guess, hey, they're
probably going to six man pro right here, and the
line based off of the front is probably going to
(15:55):
slide the wheel and the back's on a duel read.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Okay, what if though, going on into that week, the
rules are tweaked a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
What if because of what Stanford does, They're now going
to put the scan to the line. The back is
going to be singled up on the mic and you
know he was my left tackle supposed to stay on
the end right here is my left tackle is supposed
to fan all the way to the widest.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was that on the tackle?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Because as a quarterback, you know the rules in your head,
and so when you line up and you look at
the front and you see the shell of the safety's
tilt and you think, okay, that nickel might be top.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
They can bring the nickel off the edge.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Well, based on my rules, if I'm in a sort
slide away from my back and I anticipate the tackle
to go all the way out to the to the
nickel coming off the edge, I'm going to play the
game assuming my backside is protected, especially if my eyes
are front side on a reed. So if all of
a sudden the quarterbacks hid in the back, it's easy
to go, oh, why didn't the quarterback do something? Why
(16:53):
didn't the quarterback see them?
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Or feeling. As a quarterback, you have.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
To anticipate and believe in your line's protection, especially if
your eyes are away from that. So it's hard to judge, like,
I don't know sometimes, Hey, was that the tackle that
I was.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Supposed to go?
Speaker 4 (17:07):
There was that bear that was supposed to know that
they're not setting for the widest are they sometimes in
what's called as a key or a scan protection or
the running back if he doesn't get front site pressure
scans to the backside, it could have been on the
running back.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So until you know the rules, you actually.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Can't go in and place any responsibility on the quarterback,
the line, or the running back. And that's why sometimes
some of the media personalities that you see across college
football and the NFL and they start to become critical
of the line or the backs or the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Until you are actually in the room and you know
the rules of what's going on, you can't give any criticism.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
So really what it goes down to is and that
might have been a long answer, but that's a football
answer right there, of what goes on in the meetings
and how the coaches and team will talk about situations.
Until you know that it's all going to be about
the growth of the group in general. And so you know,
some of the sacks, like it was tight, and some
some of the sacks had good coverage. And for Bear
(18:06):
right now, you go back to that thing where you
said Bears not being asked to win football games.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
He's being asked to be smart.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Sometimes those sacks are smart. Hey, there's limited space around you.
You know your your primary and secondary read and the
progression are not open.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Don't go force the ball somewhere. Don't go just throw
it up hoping something can happen.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
You can live to take a sack right here, Take
a sack, go to second or third down, or punt
the ball right now. You know Stanford's offense was really struggling,
so there's no need to force anything.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The game's not on the line. You know, you got
a seventeen to twenty point lead, twenty three point lead,
whatever it was.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
It's fine, take a sack, move on to the next play.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
John Beck breaking down the BYU Stanford game as well
as Bear Bachmeers play here on ESPN the Fan, brought
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Were there any individual efforts, any execution either offensively or
defensively that stood out to you in this game, be
it LJ. Martins, you Ony moa offensive, Chase Roberts had
a pretty good game defensively, Isaiah Glasker, Jack Kelly, Keanu Utanavasa,
(19:09):
John Tomwaipayo, a lot of great plays. Raider de Mooney
had a really nice play on that pick and his return.
Anyone that you thought, hey, they had a great game,
good individual performance.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Well, I think it was good to see our backs
have some chunk runs against a better defensive front, and
so you know, and you got to tip your hat
to the offensive line because they're the ones creating it.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Good to see breaking through some arm tackles, getting into
the second level and having some chunk runs. Those are
really really big to what they do to a defense.
You talk about explosive plays, it's very easy as an
offense to be like, we need to create explosive plays,
and you look to the pass game for explosive plays.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
B Yu has done a good.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Job in previous years of getting some explosive plays off
of plays. You know, you saw Jake Retzlop a number
of times on some key third downs, a nice little
option play that would pick up twenty plus yards to
be able to pick up explosive plays in the run game.
I thought was great to see, especially against a better front. Yes,
(20:18):
the defense, you know, not an individual but group defense,
I thought did a great job. Anytime you pitch a
shutout for that long in a game, it's a great thing.
But I just think when I look back to, Okay,
me being an offensive guy and.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Some of the stuff that stood out, Man, you love
to see.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Some chunk plays from your run game as an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That helps you in the play calling as well.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
You look at Yu later in the game, you know,
I want to say it was the fourth quarter, beginning
of the fourth quarter BYU had probably only thrown the
ball for about one hundred and ten to one hundred
and twenty yards really without a chunk play in the
pass game. And you see the big post that they
were able to get to chase later in the game,
and you look at the box and the front and
(21:02):
the safety down into the box.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
A lot of that can be traced.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Back to run game and creating chunk plays in the
run game and what an opponent is going to try
to do. And now maybe it could because later in
the game they anticipated in BYU trying to run the
clock and so they bring the safety down. But when
I look to how do you create chunk plays off
play pass, it's having a consistent run game that also
creates explosive plays in the run game and what that
(21:28):
does to a defense and how then you can start
to dictate some of the shot plays, the keeper game,
and the things that you can do off of play pass.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
As a coordinator, I wanted to go back to the
Chase Roberts throw. Bear from the opposite Hash had a
nice timing throw on a comeback and Chase was dialed
in on his footwork, came back to it and created
some space and was able to get some yak as well.
(21:57):
I think that was the past you were talking about.
To the field. What did you make of that particular throw.
I didn't think it was like a high velocity throw,
but it was a great timing throw. It may have
floated a little bit, but that gave me a little
bit more optimism John that Bear can get the ball
out there. It's a little bit lower trajectory on his
deep ball than I would like when guys are running
(22:18):
under it. On the deep post to Chase, but he's
got good enough arm strength, I think, to make most
of the throws well.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
If you look at that comeback throw, the impressive thing
was the trust because when.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Bear let that ball.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Go, that defensive player actually had a decent position.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
They were locked up. Like in all honesty, had.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
He turned that throw down, you also wouldn't have knocked
him for turning the throw down because the defender really
didn't give.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
A ton of space.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
He squatted a little bit at the top of Chase's route.
You know, Chase had to do a lot to create
separation at the top of that route to come down.
So the impressive thing was actually the trust that Bear
had to make that throw in Chase.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
The location that Bear threw.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
That ball, I think one of the reasons why he
put a little you know, loft on it was because
trying to get the ball there faster with more zip
would not have helped because of how they were tied
up at the top of that route.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He basically just.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Had to post up on the corner and then Bear
needed to throw a ball downhill and away and let
Chase use his big frame and extension to go get
that ball. So When I look at plays like that,
that is trust. That's a young quarterback trusting his senior
receiver and saying, look, the ball needs to get out
right now, and I'm going to throw it because I
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have the confidence that if I put this down in
a way, you're going to come back and you're going
to make sure that it's you that gets this ball,
not the defender. And so you know, and it's like
I said too, it's also trust in his body. Chase
is a very big framed guy. It's what's some of
the NFL teams I know are going to be interested
in as.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They evaluate him. But to me, that is a guy
just saying you're gonna make this play. I know you're
gonna make it. I'm gonna give you this chance.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Great breakdown. John Beck here on ESPN the Fan, what
did you make of that deep ball from Bear Bachmeyer
to Chase Roberts. Nice little play action was able to
just grip and rip coming out of that seven step
drop and play action game and Chase created separation and
there was a big chunkyardist play good momentum.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, you know, they took a shot earlier in the game.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It was a little tricky because the single high safety did.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Go to the to the move with the over route
and then tried to kind of rechase back over the post,
and it was Bear had to keep it skinny, and
it just was overshot the littlest bit.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
And I know in last week's game there were a
few downfield throws that kind of hung on him a
little bit and ended up just like a little short
where guys had to.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Come back and make plays.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
So for Bear, I thought it was great because this
was probably the first ball on a shot type play
that he just dropped right in the bucket, you know,
and it was a pre snap alert because there was
no safety and they got the exact look that you
wanted to get. You saw similar plays Zach's year, Jaron's
year in the really efficient game. You would see them
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get up and really the way that the safeties were
playing so low.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
And close to the box, you know you're going to
have that post alert.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Chase did a great job of creating separation and Bear
dropped it in perfectly and stride, so you know, to me,
it was their first true alert shot play of the
season that worked out.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Really really well, and the timing and accuracy was really
on John.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Last thing from you before we let you go bye
week is here and b Yu, I'm sure we'll work
on a few things Chase Roberts mentioned for his Bible.
He's like, I'm just going to get a ton of
reps with Bear and just get our timing down. I'm
sure he's got to work with all of the wide receivers,
but you know, you do have some load management in there.
(25:55):
But like, how many reps are you would you advise
Bear to get with his wide receivers, and especially Chase Roberts.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well, I think it's early in the season, so it's
not like a week six, Week seven, where a lot
of times it's so much about the body, like let
me get away.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I could see why guys would be hungry.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think the other reason is is they probably understand
that you know, they through eleven times seven completions in
the first game. I don't have the stats off the
top of my head for this game, but like I said,
going into the fourth quarter BYU is barely over one
hundred yards passing, and so they're looking to the future
knowing we're gonna need to be at a certain level
(26:38):
where we start hitting these tougher opponents.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Bear is still very new to BYU.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I believe he got there in June, so you're talking
about a guy that's been at the school for three months.
You know, hats off to Chase for recognizing the importance
and the value of that chemistry and being on the
same page and the timing and consistency you need to have.
He understands it, and I'm sure Bear does as well.
And when your body's fresh, go in and put in
(27:04):
some work. I mean, if you will practice during the
bye week, they'll probably take opportunities to build on exactly
what Chase is saying, knowing what's coming in the future.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
The one thing about an early bye week is it
makes it where you have to be very smart as
the season progresses, because.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You're going to have a chunk of games.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
That are just going to be strung out one after another,
and you got to really manage everybody's bodies. That's one
of the tough things about the chemistry between the wide
receivers and the quarterbacks as the season continues. Reps are
usually far more limited as the season goes, and so
you want to build a lot of that chemistry before
the season starts, because when it comes to reps, you
(27:44):
do not get enough reps in practice to rep every play.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
A lot of the times when I played there, me
and the White.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
House would stay after practice because we knew that there
were certain things that were going to come up, and
maybe we'd only repped once or twice that week and
we needed more of it as we headed into the game,
or something pops up on a Wednesday or Thursday and
you realize, hey, we might get a variation of looks
right here. Let's make sure that we stay after practice
and we get a few of these throws in because
(28:13):
there's a good chance we're going to see it in
the game. It's just too hard to get those reps
with everybody in practice. You've got to find time on
your own.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Gotta find time the extra time. John. Actually, one last thing,
three DQB. Many parents listen to our show. Many football
players listen to the show. I know they may not
get hands on training during the football season, but you
guys have a service in which you guys evaluate film
and give them some pointers, give them some feedback. If
(28:41):
they want to align with three DQB train three DQB
dot com.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Yeah, just shoot us an email we have an information
page there, and we have somebody that's monitoring all the
emails and stuff, and so you know, we have guys
that already reach out with Hey, is there any way
you know, like for example, bye week, Hey, my bye
week's coming up. I've played my first three games high
for football. You know, I would love some insight. You know,
my coaching staff gives me insight on some things. I
(29:06):
would love some more insight on some of the things
that I can be doing. And a lot of it
is kids that we've trained during the off season and
they just want some feedback on what their mechanics are like,
what their feet are like, are they maintaining all of
the things that they've worked on throughout the season. You know,
when you don't have a trained eye that's getting to
watch it every single day. At times, especially kids that
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are playing through maybe a dinged ankle.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You know, a little bit hurt.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Somewhere, like somebody gets deemed up in their shoulders, somebody
gets hit in their forearm, their hand, like little things
like that can have them take a little toll on
the mechanics. And so a lot of the times it's
about tightening those things up it's about a tune up
when the time is right, and so a lot of
guys will reach out.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And send some film and that can definitely happen.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
John, we appreciate you as always. Thanks for hopping on
for a little keeping up with the Cougars and delving
into this BYU Stamford game. We'll catch up with again
next week. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yep, you welcome. Sounds great, guys, We'll see.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You they go. That's John Beck of train three d
QB dot com. I really liked what he had to
say about Buyu's Run game, and we've continued to harp
on that throughout Fall Camp. Uh, leaning into the Aaron
Roderick commentary of in his declaration that By's gonna be
able to run the game, run the ball, and they're
(30:22):
gonna run it well. I think the only criticism coming
out of this Stanford game should be actually, we should
have run the ball more and a Rod should have
trusted l. J. Moore Moore and gotten maybe even Joe
Ves involved. If it's working, you can you can continue
to go with that script. You don't have to always
(30:43):
lean to your play acts. You don't always have to
lean into your screen game, make them stop it before
you deviate from it. And I think that's a you know,
coming out of the coming out of the second half,
you saw that coming out of the first half, you
saw that Aaron was much more or run focused rather
(31:03):
than being balanced, and that balance sometimes can put your
true freshman quarterback in a in a sticky situation. Even
to start the game with a quick screen to Jojo Phillips,
they were trying to get Jojo involved early and often
you saw that in the play calling, which I like like.
(31:24):
I think Jojo had a good game. We wish him well.
He shoulders a little bit. Dinged w was in a
sling in the post game. We'll see how long he's
out for. I understand why he was trying to implement
Jojo into the game plan and get him started off right,
but it may have been best to just hand the
ball off to LJ and ride him to victory versus
(31:45):
that Stanford defensive front, because he was dominant and so
was the offensive line. My only criticism this game is
first half, we probably should have run the ball more,
and even if it was Joe Vesso or even if
it was Preston Rex, you know, just to spell LJ
and shownick. I would have liked to have seen that
for Stamford to stack the box and then get your
(32:09):
one on ones, which it did finally in the second half.
That's why you saw Chase on the deep comeback. That's
why you saw Chase on the deep posts because they
had to begin. Stanford's defense had to be a little
bit more aggressive to stop the run. John Beck, Ladies
and gentlemen, guys, you guys want to comment on that,
Ronnie real quick.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
Yeah, I agree with you, I said, you know, and
to you Ben, I said, it looks like he's getting
a little too cute. And what I mean by that
lot of extra that you really didn't need too much movement.
And I understand you want to get Jojo because he
didn't really get involved last week.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
But Ben, what did I? And I put this tweet
out right and you liked it. LJ.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Martin has carried the ball how many times twenty six
has overtured to some of yards and he hasn't gotten
an end zone yet, which is crazy, averaging an alf
point six yards per carry.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
It's crazy to think of that.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
And then that first drive in the second half, thirteen
plays they ran the ball eight times and then what happened?
Speaker 7 (32:59):
You got into the endzone. And I think that's the
recipe he been.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
He went back to the Oklahoma State running the ball constantly, constantly.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
I would have loved to see that more. But that's
why you have to buy. That's why you look at
the film.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
And I think going on the road, Ben, if you
want to set up play action pass, if people are
gonna play Chase Roberts single coverage, if you want to
take that deep shot, LJ and Shionam Preston and Joe
Vesa all need to be told the football.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
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