June 7, 2025 • 35 mins
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BioSanitatem is a Latin word meaning “soundness of mind.”
Saint Tatum is a Canadian rapper making sounds for your mind.
The connection? Saint Tatum, born Benjamin Michael Scott, borrowed from the Latin for his
artist name, inspired by the healing positivity of the ancient term.
At 16 years old, and having just released his first mixtape, Are You Awake Yet, he hasn’t had
much time to build a music career. But Saint Tatum is already making his mark. His new work is
gaining an international audience, making it clear that the sky's the limit for the young artist.
Are You Awake is made up of six tracks that explore emotion and atmosphere. He creates in his
garage studio using a Mac and the online digital audio workstation BandLab. While he likes the
DAW’s interface and effects, he has also found collaborators through the platform’s interactive
features.
Saint Tatum’s approach to lyrics puts emotion before storytelling. “I really resonate off of
feeling,” he says. In practice, this means a layered approach to sound, contrasting positive and
negative voices and energies.
While some lyrics are pre-written, like for tracks “The Mirage” and “Don’t Ask Me Why,” on
others he takes a looser approach. “I just kinda let the bars come to me rather than overthinking
them,” he says, describing his approach as like painting a picture.
On the mixtape, Saint Tatum worked with YouTube beatmakers Auxiliary Beats, Vinnyx.Prod,
2Facest, Yakinata, Goth Helma, and James J.
The EP’s title, Are You Awake Yet, comes from a personal place of self-determination — and
self-discovery. “I was going through a point in my life where I was… doing a bunch of not great
things,” he says. By making a conscious decision to move away from negativity and pride, he
was able to break out of a cycle: “I realized staying the same was wasting my time, and change
was the only way forward.”
This personal journey is what makes Are You Awake Yet so compelling. Even when Tatum’s
voice is buried under layers of reverb or melted into a dreamy beat, tracks like “Love It Like
That” pulse with vulnerability. If his music sounds like mumble rap, it’s because he wants it to —
or, as he puts it, “mumble trap.” Artists like Lil Skies, Lil Xan, and Rae Sremmurd were major
influences. But Saint Tatum is not copying. He’s channeling.
“I love making people feel the same way I did when I heard some of my favorite artists,” he
says. “That changed my life. I want to give that back.”
Saint Tatum is completely independent — no label, no manager, no PR team — and he is
already thinking big. He’s got an eye on the long game, and a clear sense of who he is as an
artist. “Even if nobody listens, I’ll still be making music. Living without being who I truly am would
take everything away from me.”
For now, his focus is on connecting with listeners all over the world. Fans far and wide are
responding to the positive and healing sounds in the musical paintings of Saint Tatum.
With a new mixtape ready to drop in the coming weeks, interested listeners should follow Saint
Tatum today. Don’t miss your chance to get an early seat on the bandwagon of this rising star.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/creator-to-creators-with-meosha-bean--4460322/support.
Spotify
BioSanitatem is a Latin word meaning “soundness of mind.”
Saint Tatum is a Canadian rapper making sounds for your mind.
The connection? Saint Tatum, born Benjamin Michael Scott, borrowed from the Latin for his
artist name, inspired by the healing positivity of the ancient term.
At 16 years old, and having just released his first mixtape, Are You Awake Yet, he hasn’t had
much time to build a music career. But Saint Tatum is already making his mark. His new work is
gaining an international audience, making it clear that the sky's the limit for the young artist.
Are You Awake is made up of six tracks that explore emotion and atmosphere. He creates in his
garage studio using a Mac and the online digital audio workstation BandLab. While he likes the
DAW’s interface and effects, he has also found collaborators through the platform’s interactive
features.
Saint Tatum’s approach to lyrics puts emotion before storytelling. “I really resonate off of
feeling,” he says. In practice, this means a layered approach to sound, contrasting positive and
negative voices and energies.
While some lyrics are pre-written, like for tracks “The Mirage” and “Don’t Ask Me Why,” on
others he takes a looser approach. “I just kinda let the bars come to me rather than overthinking
them,” he says, describing his approach as like painting a picture.
On the mixtape, Saint Tatum worked with YouTube beatmakers Auxiliary Beats, Vinnyx.Prod,
2Facest, Yakinata, Goth Helma, and James J.
The EP’s title, Are You Awake Yet, comes from a personal place of self-determination — and
self-discovery. “I was going through a point in my life where I was… doing a bunch of not great
things,” he says. By making a conscious decision to move away from negativity and pride, he
was able to break out of a cycle: “I realized staying the same was wasting my time, and change
was the only way forward.”
This personal journey is what makes Are You Awake Yet so compelling. Even when Tatum’s
voice is buried under layers of reverb or melted into a dreamy beat, tracks like “Love It Like
That” pulse with vulnerability. If his music sounds like mumble rap, it’s because he wants it to —
or, as he puts it, “mumble trap.” Artists like Lil Skies, Lil Xan, and Rae Sremmurd were major
influences. But Saint Tatum is not copying. He’s channeling.
“I love making people feel the same way I did when I heard some of my favorite artists,” he
says. “That changed my life. I want to give that back.”
Saint Tatum is completely independent — no label, no manager, no PR team — and he is
already thinking big. He’s got an eye on the long game, and a clear sense of who he is as an
artist. “Even if nobody listens, I’ll still be making music. Living without being who I truly am would
take everything away from me.”
For now, his focus is on connecting with listeners all over the world. Fans far and wide are
responding to the positive and healing sounds in the musical paintings of Saint Tatum.
With a new mixtape ready to drop in the coming weeks, interested listeners should follow Saint
Tatum today. Don’t miss your chance to get an early seat on the bandwagon of this rising star.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/creator-to-creators-with-meosha-bean--4460322/support.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Creators to Creators.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Today we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hey, guys, it's Saint Tatum.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome. Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Absolutely so. I love going back to the beginning. I
always say the beginning charge our trajectory in life are
our little habits that we pick up along the way,
kind of follow us into our adulthood. Right, tell me
a little bit about your childhood. What was that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
My childhood was a bit rough at times, but it
was good. I grew up first years of my life. Sadly,
my mother couldn't take care of me. She wasn't allowed
to have custody in me. But sorry, my great grandparents
(01:29):
took me in and after a while, my mother was
eligible back to have custody in me at the age
of five. So I moved from my home here and
I went back to live with her, and I lived
with her for about nine years. Was for the first
(01:51):
four or five, you know, it was good. But after
after a couple of years, there was a lot of
problems in her life, which I think she rejected, like
to everyone else in the household, and slowly things just
got worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I'm back here with my grandparents.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So life is everything's I believe everything's meant to happen
for a reason, and I wouldn't be the person I
am today without everything that's happened.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I believe, I believe. You know, it's okay, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Your childhood, Your childhood doesn't have to decide what's going
to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, yeah, I love that Your artist. Your artist name
is so cool. It's tell us a little bit about
where it's survived from and the meaning it's I think
it's like the meaning soundness of mine, right, And how
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does that meaning influence your music?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, the name Saint Tatum comes from Latin origin, sanitatum,
and sanitatum is yeah, exactly what you said, the soundness
or the mind or healing of the mind, and it
comes from basically I find that well personally with me,
(03:26):
maybe not for everyone, definitely for some that I've got feedback.
My music is a way that I have put my
current state of mind, my state of emotion, and my
energy inside of and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
The frequency of it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
In some cases, you know, it's not gonna like heal
your problems, but when you're when you're going through something
like a tough day or whatever, you're you're going through
a good day and you you want to just it
puts you in this different world, almost like you're in
a scenic spot or you're in your room late at night.
(04:10):
By turning on that it kind of I don't know,
it brings me in a different space that I just
compel compelled to.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I guess I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I love That's that's great. You've said you create
based on emotion, right rather than storytelling. Can you walk
us through how a feeling becomes the finished track?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, it comes really through you know.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I'll have I always have an idea or a vision
before I make a song, and when i'm listening to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The beat or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I have a very good sense of the outcome that
can come up out of it.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I usually I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I just get melodies that flow through my head, and
and they have very they have.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Some of them have very strong feelings to them.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I find rather than rather than ones that you know,
I just I hear and then I'll just let it
pass by and I'll work on a one that's more
emotionally attaching. And I wouldn't say it's it's lack of storytelling.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's it's more it has a story in its way.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's just not like you know, I went down to
the street last night and and something happened, or you know,
it's not talking about like my my personal life exactly,
but a way that maybe more than one person can
relate to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right, I like that. That's awesome. You call your sound mumble?
How would you define that style in your own words?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So I would just say basically, you know, I wouldn't
I wouldn't label.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
My music to just that, but I would say that
if I were to pick a.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Sound that sounds the most similar, I would put it
in that genre, just because you know, my words sometimes
aren't always as clear as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But the verse itself, to me anyway, is the way
I want it to sound.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Or I would say that mumble trap itself can be
so many different different things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Like you could have a.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Trap metal artist or a chill or a chill rap
who can also fit in that genre. It's more the
sound of the lyrics and the sound of.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There's like you don't have a certain sound to fit.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
In there, but more the way you talk about the
things that go in your song, That's what I would
say associates it with that genre.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, I love I love that, Yeah, absolutely love that.
I love that you mentioned I think it was a
little your your influences, Like artist, what's rats? I think
we said you. I don't know, I know his last
(07:35):
name Ray? Sure, he was like in a group, Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Two different different it's two different individuals. Yeah, right, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
He was in a group right at.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
First quite a bit solo.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, exactly what what drew you to their two to
their music and and how do you make sure you're
kind of in a way channeling and not obviously I
mean channeling their song sound, but not really doing that.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, so basically not just I won't just pinpoint it
to one artist exactly and how I get my my
channeling and my sounds.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But Race Remerit is a good example for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I would say, really, the way they make me feel,
you know, it's like when I listen to their music
or anybody who inspires me, it's almost like it's like
when you're thinking of their lyrics, so you're thinking of
their sound, you're not You're not thinking of them, You're
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thinking of this is.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Me, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And that's what I want people to think when they
hear my songs too. I don't want them to think
of like me talking about it. Yeah, I want them
to think about this is like this guy's like me too.
Like when I of this kind of sound, it's like
that sound feels like it's truly me. So when I
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want people to listen to me, it's not just to
you know, discover who I am. But when they listen
to it, I want them to feel, you know, this
is my music, this is me. Like when somebody shows
their song to this friend, this is my music that
I showed them, not you know, it's like it becomes
personal to them, just like how this music became personal
(09:30):
to me.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So I just want to do almost the same.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I love that absolutely, I mean, and you're doing it right.
At just sixteen, you've already released a full mixtape independently.
What's been the biggest challenge so far working without a
label or a team.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, being seen, for sure, being seen I started with
just locally. I had absolutely I've always had a fan
base of maybe a little bit of people just because
you know, my friends have always been supportive a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But there's not much. There's not much you can do
besides personal personal. It takes a lot, you know, it
takes a lot of effort.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It takes it's not just gonna happen in one night
that you post your song in the open, and yeah, exactly,
it's not like it's almost like it feels like you're
you're fishing with a fishing hook that has.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No lure on it. So it's a it's a little
more challenging, but.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
If it's if it's good, you know, it could take
a long time, but it's never too late. Some artists
have that that thought of you know, am I not
good enough or whatever, just because they're not getting the
results that they want right now.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Have you felt that way, not at all. I understand.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I've learned from the even the people who have made
it that you know, there's times where they've thought that
it wasn't going to work out, and now they're seen
as some of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So it's not it's not about you know, am I
good enough?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It's about it's about how do I get the right
people to see it?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Right? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I love that. I love that. Do you do
you think the you know, just from the outside looking
in and then studying music and watching, like you know,
artists and you see, you know, just how the industry
works from from other interviews and other artists talking about
(11:53):
the music industry, do you feel like the music industry
is changing and doing better and it's getting better in
favor of the artist or do you think it's still
kind of a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm not too sure, really, but I do know that
music's music's always been around. I'm sure, I'm sure the
industry has definitely changed over the years, But I definitely
think that if you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Quality of artists, the quality has always been around.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
There's not there's never going to be a stop to
it or there's never going to be a downfall of it.
There's always an artist out there, not just not just me,
not just the biggest guys. There's always an artists out
there who are going to get exposed one day, and
maybe right now they haven't perfected their crafted or they
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haven't you know, they haven't learned the right techniques to
market whatever it is. But there's definitely a lot, a lot,
a lot of guys out there that are just as
talented as some of the biggest guys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Absolutely, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I love that you use band band lab and not
just to create, but to collaborate. How has the online
music community helped shape your.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Sound, Well, it's been pretty helpful I've.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I'm I'm not really doing much collaborating right now as
I used to be doing, but it's helpful in the
way that you can find different different styles when you're collaborating,
like I've been practicing almost all genres I've It's not
(13:58):
like the mixtape I've released. I released the mixtape based
on more what I like the sound of, but I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Was doing all types of genres. I was doing more
of a harder rap.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I was also doing more depressing songs, was also doing
a little bit of R and B. I was doing
almost everything, and I think band lad with collaborating really
helped me learn who I am as an artist, like
knowing what I.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Am and what my style is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And you know, there's always people that are set that
will say it's not the best because there's stuff like
FLS Studio or Logic that have a higher quality autotune
or effects. But I really, I really find there's not much.
There's never going to be much different in autotune no
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matter where you go.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Autotune is all the same.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But effects, effects, yes, they will be different. But I
have found effects on band Lab that I feel very
you know, comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I feel that it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It targets what I'm looking for a little bit, so
stick with it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, definitely definitely. Do you see yourself staying independent long
term or would you like ever consider signing with a label.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, it depends for sure, because there's one thing about
a label that I've heard that I would never want
to let happen. You know, it's not all about the money.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
For me.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Of course, a big price seems that our big, big
contract seems more learning, But the main thing for me
in my career is that I want to be able
to decide what comes out and what doesn't come out.
So if I have a label that's ordering, you know,
(15:58):
fifteen or twenty songs was a year that I need
to come out with, and then I give them, you know,
more than that, I give them thirty or forty, But
I don't get to choose a single one that yeah,
is going out and they have that power in their hands,
then I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I would definitely love a label who who could maybe
work with me a little bit, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That would that would be very very very nice, for sure,
love that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, well, your mouth took God's Ears. The title Are
You Awake Yet reflects on a major turning point in
your life. Can you talk about what triggered that transformation?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Oh, it's a bit of a deeper, deeper story.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So I was, uh, for two years, I was I
don't know. I was just.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Doing a lot of you know, even at a young age,
is personal bad things in my life, and I don't know,
it's just things that wouldn't be good for anybody really,
and I took it to an extreme and there's a
(17:24):
point where I felt as if.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I felt as if.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
There was only one way to go, and I had
I had a feeling that you know, I would there
was always be this voice in my head that I
would ignore. You know, you gotta change this because you
know you're not doing the right You're not doing the
right thing. You're not on the right path. You know,
you think that you're on the right path, but you're not.
(17:58):
And you can feel it. You sent that you know
that you're you're going down the wrong path, but you you.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Think you can do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And I would always hear this voice that would would
always tell me, you know, you got to stop at
some point, like it's it's gonna have to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And at one point it was. It was one.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Morning, at like five in the morning, I got up
for work and I felt terrible, like I felt like, like,
you know, getting up at five am in the first
place is not great, but that morning was different, Like
I felt like nauseated, I felt like I had a
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terrible headache.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
All that stuff, And.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know, I just knew that at that point there
was only there was only gonna do There's only one
thing that could happen if I wanted to feel better
about myself.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I never lost hope really.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Because I knew, I always knew what I had to do.
I knew it was gonna be hard, but I knew
what I had to do if I wanted, if I
wanted to feel better, right And so at that moment,
it took a It took almost no effort as if it.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Would have before, because it felt like it was the
only thing I could.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Do was was change, and so.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I kind of just stopped everything.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I locked myself in my house for like a week,
and I just stayed away from everybody, stayed away from
everything that was, you know, dragging me down, because I knew,
you know, even if it was that morning and I
got up, when I got out of bed and I seen,
(20:08):
you know, all the people around me that you know,
influenced me to do all these things, still it was
going to be hard for me at that moment. So
I just kept myself away from absolutely everybody, and I
just stayed there for a week. And after a week,
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you know, I got I got a little bit more,
like I didn't feel as terrible as I as I did,
and I had a lot more self control and a
lot more clearer of a mind than I did before.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And you don't.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Realize, you don't realize what a clear mind is until
you do that, and you think that you have a
clear mind, but you don't.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, So really it was just a stage that.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I was just you know, there's people that live like
that right now, that they're just living their days almost
like if it's a dream just going by and they're
letting everything in front of them just slip in front
of them. But they they have a higher purpose, a
higher chance, and to do what they want, and I
(21:27):
think that there's all they can always make the choice
to do right or wrong, and some are just trapped
in that cycle of you know, doing bad.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And that's kind of where my title came from.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It kind of came from if you're awake, you know,
not from your bed, but from you know, life itself,
just in your personal life, whether you're you're doing the
right thing, almost what you're meant to do.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. Thank you for sharing that with us. Absolutely,
the track on the mixtape do you like? And I'm curious,
there's there's an amazing, you know, body of work that
you put together. What track to you feels the most personal,
(22:25):
like do you feel personally connected to one? I?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would definitely, it's a definitely. They all have their
their own own Oh I'm sorry, they all have their
own vibes a little bit, but one that I can
(22:57):
really feel and every time comes on is definitely.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Don't ask me why? And it's a song that you know.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The lyrical context won't give you as much information of
how I'm feeling in that time, but the melody will.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The melody.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I've layered my voices with different emotions, and every time
I listen to it, I can you know, feel that
emotion again?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Love that, love that. I have a fun question and
there's no wrong answer. I love asking everyone this question
when that comes on the show. The three levels of influence, money, power,
and respect And if you could choose only one of those,
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which one would you choose? And why?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
What's the difference in between power and respect?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Like if you have all the power, people need to
respect you enough to listen to you when you have.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Power, right m hm, I mean I I guess.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean I would say.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Probably respect honestly, because if people respect you, you.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Will have the power.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I think if you have enough respect, people will people will.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Admire you, and people will envy you, and people.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
If you have respect, you're you're known for for what
you are, and you're known that people can feel trusted
around you, or you're just it's almost something that they
aspire to be. If you have power but they don't
respect you. There's always people that I think have to
(25:01):
respect you when you have power, but the people that
don't respect you when you have just a high amount
of power, they won't.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They will almost always be mostly.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Entirely envied, like there will always be somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Doesn't doesn't even if they have power, they don't have
connections or worthy connections. I should say they probably have connections,
but they don't have that if they if they're only
getting disrespect, it's probably because of something they're doing and
something that people don't like or something that makes people
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almost not want to be around them. So I definitely
think a respect is the best thing. Money has has
never been in my category of my wants.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I've already.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I've already had my fair share of experiences with what
money can happen, and I definitely think that money can
be fun for a while, but after a while, it's
something that just you know, you you definitely want to
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have stability, and you definitely always want to have, you know,
a place to live home.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's that's very important.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
But you don't you don't need a like high high
amount of money to get all the cars you want
to get all the all like all that stuff, because.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's yeah, you don't want it to become your god, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Your source of happiness exactly. There's definitely stuff that are
way more important than you know, your jet or whatever
or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, no, that's so true. It's like, yeah, I love
asking a question and everyone's answer is different. I feel
like each category money, power, respect, it'd all be. I
guess it's all about perspective. I look at everything in perspective.
It can all be bad, right, and good at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It just depends on a person and where you are
in your life. So if I'm if I'm, I feel
like money highlights who you already are, right, if you're
If I'm if I'm a douchebag, then I'm just if
I get more money, I become a bigger douchebag, right,
And then if I want respect, that's ego, right, because
no one is entitled to respect me or not. You know,
that's just something in self. I think it just depends
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on how to look at it or ya, and power
right can can easily be completely If I'm a power
hungry person, I'm gonna either do good with it or not.
Just depends upon who I am. So I think it's
depends on the person who gets it. I think I
think it's some people, And I think that's why some
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people go crazy with it and some people don't, because
I think it's knowing. I think this journey of life
is all about self and learning who we are, who
you know, what God, who God created us to be,
with our gifts and talents, and how we can be
resourceful through this journey.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, exactly. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I love your answer.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, it's a it's a good way to see it
as perspective, because you know, I definitely do see that
every answer could be right. You know, Like if you're
somebody struggling every day because you can barely get a meal,
I would understand why money would be, you know, your
big factor. Or if you're somebody who nobody listens to
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at all, No matter what, people just shrug you off
every day.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I'm sure exactly. I know why your main factor is power.
So it's all different for everybody exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But I love your sure. I love how you broke
it down. That was awesome. You know. I'm a filmmaker.
I got into this industry and I was like sixteen,
and I'm oh, my god, I want to say my
age on on audio, but I'm in my I'm my
thirties now right time has passed by, But I never
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regretted any moment of why I chose the entertainment business.
Do you feel like you know, and I as an artist,
what do you I mean? I'm sure you have days
that you're not motivated, But what keeps you going at
the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh, for sure, Just the fact that I have a
voice that can make music, you know, and that I
when I am done, I can just come in my
room and you know, work on it for a bit.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Just that itself is enough.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I feel like, I just love love using my inner
thoughts in mind too, to play it on something that
I don't know that I can just it's a It's
a good way to feel who I am. It's a
good way to feel the inside of me. Almost It's like,
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rather if like other people listen to it, that that's great,
and people find relatability in it, that's great. But it's
definitely my dream to to do this forever.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I'll wake up and the first thing will be thinking
about my next what comes next.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I never I never stall.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I just I always have something to get off my mind,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So it's definitely not.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It doesn't even have to do with motivation to me,
because motivation and my eyes, is something that you're working
because you want something from it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You want you want to go further.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Like if you have dedication and motivation and it's not
your life, you're just well, it is your life, but
you're just motivated for it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That will always fade. You can't just have motivation for it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Motivation fades, and you're not truly doing what you want
to do in life. If you are doing what you
love and what you're super passionate about, you'd be doing it,
whether you're making money off, whether you have free time
or not, that's what you'd be doing.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
People say that if you're doing what you love, you'll
never work a day in your life. It's more like
that that's what it is to me, I just love
it so much and I'm just passionate. It's more than motivation.
I don't need to be motivated for it. I still
enjoy doing it, so it's just I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's beautiful. Well, Sam, what what advice would you give
to that that you know, young guy or young girl
out there that wants to get into the music world.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Oh, you definitely do it if that's really what you
love doing, Like if you like seeing it doesn't matter
how bad you are or how how low quality your voices,
because in your own way, you will always be able
to improve and you will always be able to find
your own voice. And trust me, no matter what your
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voice is, it can always turn out to come out unique.
I started out with the worst, the worst voice.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And I know way, no way, no way.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, And I know that no matter who you are,
no matter who you are, you can.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Always put your own your.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Own energy into music. Music is is is not just
it's it's skill, but the skill comes with the with
the love and the energy you put inside of it,
you can have a completely different not you know, not
like a mainstream singer voice, and you can you can
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use your own voice in a way that that sounds
good with what you want to do. You know, it's
there's never any anybody who's going to be not able
to enter the music industry if they don't want to.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
If they want it enough.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And they have they have the right mindset, they can
always use their voice in its special way to say
and put the energy there on into it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's beautiful. Thank you for that great advice. Where can
people find you on social media to follow everything you
got going on.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Right now on Spotify, Apple Music, and I think I'm
gonna start on TikTok soon. Just releasing a little bit
of a little bit of snippets. It is nice, just
sink Tatum s A I N T t A t
U M. It's the same same as my name, there's nothing,
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it's not different on any platform, the same everywhere.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Nice, nice, love that, love that. Thank you so much
for coming on. It was a pleasure talking to you
for sure, absolutely and thank you all for listening and
always remember to live, love, laugh. We'll talk to you
guys next time.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Creators to Creators.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Today we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Hey, guys, it's Saint Tatum.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome. Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Absolutely so. I love going back to the beginning. I
always say the beginning charge our trajectory in life are
our little habits that we pick up along the way,
kind of follow us into our adulthood. Right, tell me
a little bit about your childhood. What was that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
My childhood was a bit rough at times, but it
was good. I grew up first years of my life. Sadly,
my mother couldn't take care of me. She wasn't allowed
to have custody in me. But sorry, my great grandparents
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took me in and after a while, my mother was
eligible back to have custody in me at the age
of five. So I moved from my home here and
I went back to live with her, and I lived
with her for about nine years. Was for the first
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four or five, you know, it was good. But after
after a couple of years, there was a lot of
problems in her life, which I think she rejected, like
to everyone else in the household, and slowly things just
got worse and worse.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I'm back here with my grandparents.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
So life is everything's I believe everything's meant to happen
for a reason, and I wouldn't be the person I
am today without everything that's happened.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
But I believe, I believe. You know, it's okay, doesn't.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
Your childhood, Your childhood doesn't have to decide what's going
to happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, yeah, I love that Your artist. Your artist name
is so cool. It's tell us a little bit about
where it's survived from and the meaning it's I think
it's like the meaning soundness of mine, right, And how
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does that meaning influence your music?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, the name Saint Tatum comes from Latin origin, sanitatum,
and sanitatum is yeah, exactly what you said, the soundness
or the mind or healing of the mind, and it
comes from basically I find that well personally with me,
(03:26):
maybe not for everyone, definitely for some that I've got feedback.
My music is a way that I have put my
current state of mind, my state of emotion, and my
energy inside of and.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
The frequency of it.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
In some cases, you know, it's not gonna like heal
your problems, but when you're when you're going through something
like a tough day or whatever, you're you're going through
a good day and you you want to just it
puts you in this different world, almost like you're in
a scenic spot or you're in your room late at night.
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By turning on that it kind of I don't know,
it brings me in a different space that I just
compel compelled to.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I guess I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I love That's that's great. You've said you create
based on emotion, right rather than storytelling. Can you walk
us through how a feeling becomes the finished track?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, it comes really through you know.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I'll have I always have an idea or a vision
before I make a song, and when i'm listening to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
The beat or whatever.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
I have a very good sense of the outcome that
can come up out of it.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And I usually I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I just get melodies that flow through my head, and
and they have very they have.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Some of them have very strong feelings to them.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I find rather than rather than ones that you know,
I just I hear and then I'll just let it
pass by and I'll work on a one that's more
emotionally attaching. And I wouldn't say it's it's lack of storytelling.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
It's it's more it has a story in its way.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
It's just not like you know, I went down to
the street last night and and something happened, or you know,
it's not talking about like my my personal life exactly,
but a way that maybe more than one person can
relate to.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Right, I like that. That's awesome. You call your sound mumble?
How would you define that style in your own words?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
So I would just say basically, you know, I wouldn't
I wouldn't label.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
My music to just that, but I would say that
if I were to pick a.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Sound that sounds the most similar, I would put it
in that genre, just because you know, my words sometimes
aren't always as clear as possible.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
But the verse itself, to me anyway, is the way
I want it to sound.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Or I would say that mumble trap itself can be
so many different different things.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Like you could have a.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Trap metal artist or a chill or a chill rap
who can also fit in that genre. It's more the
sound of the lyrics and the sound of.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
There's like you don't have a certain sound to fit.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
In there, but more the way you talk about the
things that go in your song, That's what I would
say associates it with that genre.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, I love I love that, Yeah, absolutely love that.
I love that you mentioned I think it was a
little your your influences, Like artist, what's rats? I think
we said you. I don't know, I know his last
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name Ray? Sure, he was like in a group, Yes.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Two different different it's two different individuals. Yeah, right, it's.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
He was in a group right at.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
First quite a bit solo.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, exactly what what drew you to their two to
their music and and how do you make sure you're
kind of in a way channeling and not obviously I
mean channeling their song sound, but not really doing that.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, so basically not just I won't just pinpoint it
to one artist exactly and how I get my my
channeling and my sounds.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But Race Remerit is a good example for sure.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
I would say, really, the way they make me feel,
you know, it's like when I listen to their music
or anybody who inspires me, it's almost like it's like
when you're thinking of their lyrics, so you're thinking of
their sound, you're not You're not thinking of them, You're
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thinking of this is.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Me, you know.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And that's what I want people to think when they
hear my songs too. I don't want them to think
of like me talking about it. Yeah, I want them
to think about this is like this guy's like me too.
Like when I of this kind of sound, it's like
that sound feels like it's truly me. So when I
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want people to listen to me, it's not just to
you know, discover who I am. But when they listen
to it, I want them to feel, you know, this
is my music, this is me. Like when somebody shows
their song to this friend, this is my music that
I showed them, not you know, it's like it becomes
personal to them, just like how this music became personal
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to me.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
So I just want to do almost the same.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I love that absolutely, I mean, and you're doing it right.
At just sixteen, you've already released a full mixtape independently.
What's been the biggest challenge so far working without a
label or a team.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, being seen, for sure, being seen I started with
just locally. I had absolutely I've always had a fan
base of maybe a little bit of people just because
you know, my friends have always been supportive a little bit.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
But there's not much. There's not much you can do
besides personal personal. It takes a lot, you know, it
takes a lot of effort.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It takes it's not just gonna happen in one night
that you post your song in the open, and yeah, exactly,
it's not like it's almost like it feels like you're
you're fishing with a fishing hook that has.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
No lure on it. So it's a it's a little
more challenging, but.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
If it's if it's good, you know, it could take
a long time, but it's never too late. Some artists
have that that thought of you know, am I not
good enough or whatever, just because they're not getting the
results that they want right now.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Have you felt that way, not at all. I understand.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I've learned from the even the people who have made
it that you know, there's times where they've thought that
it wasn't going to work out, and now they're seen
as some of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So it's not it's not about you know, am I
good enough?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
It's about it's about how do I get the right
people to see it?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Right? Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
No, I love that. I love that. Do you do
you think the you know, just from the outside looking
in and then studying music and watching, like you know,
artists and you see, you know, just how the industry
works from from other interviews and other artists talking about
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the music industry, do you feel like the music industry
is changing and doing better and it's getting better in
favor of the artist or do you think it's still
kind of a lot of work to be done.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I'm not too sure, really, but I do know that
music's music's always been around. I'm sure, I'm sure the
industry has definitely changed over the years, But I definitely
think that if you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Quality of artists, the quality has always been around.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
There's not there's never going to be a stop to
it or there's never going to be a downfall of it.
There's always an artist out there, not just not just me,
not just the biggest guys. There's always an artists out
there who are going to get exposed one day, and
maybe right now they haven't perfected their crafted or they
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haven't you know, they haven't learned the right techniques to
market whatever it is. But there's definitely a lot, a lot,
a lot of guys out there that are just as
talented as some of the biggest guys.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Absolutely, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I love that you use band band lab and not
just to create, but to collaborate. How has the online
music community helped shape your.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Sound, Well, it's been pretty helpful I've.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I'm I'm not really doing much collaborating right now as
I used to be doing, but it's helpful in the
way that you can find different different styles when you're collaborating,
like I've been practicing almost all genres I've It's not
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like the mixtape I've released. I released the mixtape based
on more what I like the sound of, but I.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Was doing all types of genres. I was doing more
of a harder rap.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
I was also doing more depressing songs, was also doing
a little bit of R and B. I was doing
almost everything, and I think band lad with collaborating really
helped me learn who I am as an artist, like
knowing what I.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Am and what my style is.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
And you know, there's always people that are set that
will say it's not the best because there's stuff like
FLS Studio or Logic that have a higher quality autotune
or effects. But I really, I really find there's not much.
There's never going to be much different in autotune no
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matter where you go.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Autotune is all the same.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
But effects, effects, yes, they will be different. But I
have found effects on band Lab that I feel very
you know, comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I feel that it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
It targets what I'm looking for a little bit, so
stick with it.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, definitely definitely. Do you see yourself staying independent long
term or would you like ever consider signing with a label.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Well, it depends for sure, because there's one thing about
a label that I've heard that I would never want
to let happen. You know, it's not all about the money.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
For me.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Of course, a big price seems that our big, big
contract seems more learning, But the main thing for me
in my career is that I want to be able
to decide what comes out and what doesn't come out.
So if I have a label that's ordering, you know,
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fifteen or twenty songs was a year that I need
to come out with, and then I give them, you know,
more than that, I give them thirty or forty, But
I don't get to choose a single one that yeah,
is going out and they have that power in their hands,
then I don't know, it's.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
I would definitely love a label who who could maybe
work with me a little bit, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That would that would be very very very nice, for sure,
love that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well, well, your mouth took God's Ears. The title Are
You Awake Yet reflects on a major turning point in
your life. Can you talk about what triggered that transformation?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Oh, it's a bit of a deeper, deeper story.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So I was, uh, for two years, I was I
don't know. I was just.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Doing a lot of you know, even at a young age,
is personal bad things in my life, and I don't know,
it's just things that wouldn't be good for anybody really,
and I took it to an extreme and there's a
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point where I felt as if.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I felt as if.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
There was only one way to go, and I had
I had a feeling that you know, I would there
was always be this voice in my head that I
would ignore. You know, you gotta change this because you
know you're not doing the right You're not doing the
right thing. You're not on the right path. You know,
you think that you're on the right path, but you're not.
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And you can feel it. You sent that you know
that you're you're going down the wrong path, but you you.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Think you can do it anyway.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
And I would always hear this voice that would would
always tell me, you know, you got to stop at
some point, like it's it's gonna have to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And at one point it was. It was one.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Morning, at like five in the morning, I got up
for work and I felt terrible, like I felt like, like,
you know, getting up at five am in the first
place is not great, but that morning was different, Like
I felt like nauseated, I felt like I had a
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terrible headache.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
All that stuff, And.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know, I just knew that at that point there
was only there was only gonna do There's only one
thing that could happen if I wanted to feel better
about myself.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
I never lost hope really.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Because I knew, I always knew what I had to do.
I knew it was gonna be hard, but I knew
what I had to do if I wanted, if I
wanted to feel better, right And so at that moment,
it took a It took almost no effort as if it.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Would have before, because it felt like it was the
only thing I could.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Do was was change, and so.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
I kind of just stopped everything.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
I locked myself in my house for like a week,
and I just stayed away from everybody, stayed away from
everything that was, you know, dragging me down, because I knew,
you know, even if it was that morning and I
got up, when I got out of bed and I seen,
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you know, all the people around me that you know,
influenced me to do all these things, still it was
going to be hard for me at that moment. So
I just kept myself away from absolutely everybody, and I
just stayed there for a week. And after a week,
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you know, I got I got a little bit more,
like I didn't feel as terrible as I as I did,
and I had a lot more self control and a
lot more clearer of a mind than I did before.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
And you don't.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Realize, you don't realize what a clear mind is until
you do that, and you think that you have a
clear mind, but you don't.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, So really it was just a stage that.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I wasn't.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I was just you know, there's people that live like
that right now, that they're just living their days almost
like if it's a dream just going by and they're
letting everything in front of them just slip in front
of them. But they they have a higher purpose, a
higher chance, and to do what they want, and I
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think that there's all they can always make the choice
to do right or wrong, and some are just trapped
in that cycle of you know, doing bad.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
And that's kind of where my title came from.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
It kind of came from if you're awake, you know,
not from your bed, but from you know, life itself,
just in your personal life, whether you're you're doing the
right thing, almost what you're meant to do.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Mm hmmm mm hmm. Thank you for sharing that with us. Absolutely,
the track on the mixtape do you like? And I'm curious,
there's there's an amazing, you know, body of work that
you put together. What track to you feels the most personal,
(22:25):
like do you feel personally connected to one? I?
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I would definitely, it's a definitely. They all have their
their own own Oh I'm sorry, they all have their
own vibes a little bit, but one that I can
(22:57):
really feel and every time comes on is definitely.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Don't ask me why? And it's a song that you know.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
The lyrical context won't give you as much information of
how I'm feeling in that time, but the melody will.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
The melody.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
I've layered my voices with different emotions, and every time
I listen to it, I can you know, feel that
emotion again?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Love that, love that. I have a fun question and
there's no wrong answer. I love asking everyone this question
when that comes on the show. The three levels of influence, money, power,
and respect And if you could choose only one of those,
(23:56):
which one would you choose? And why?
Speaker 3 (24:01):
What's the difference in between power and respect?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Like if you have all the power, people need to
respect you enough to listen to you when you have.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Power, right m hm, I mean I I guess.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I mean I would say.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Probably respect honestly, because if people respect you, you.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Will have the power.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
I think if you have enough respect, people will people will.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Admire you, and people will envy you, and people.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
If you have respect, you're you're known for for what
you are, and you're known that people can feel trusted
around you, or you're just it's almost something that they
aspire to be. If you have power but they don't
respect you. There's always people that I think have to
(25:01):
respect you when you have power, but the people that
don't respect you when you have just a high amount
of power, they won't.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
They will almost always be mostly.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Entirely envied, like there will always be somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
That that.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Doesn't doesn't even if they have power, they don't have
connections or worthy connections. I should say they probably have connections,
but they don't have that if they if they're only
getting disrespect, it's probably because of something they're doing and
something that people don't like or something that makes people
(25:45):
almost not want to be around them. So I definitely
think a respect is the best thing. Money has has
never been in my category of my wants.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I've already.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
I've already had my fair share of experiences with what
money can happen, and I definitely think that money can
be fun for a while, but after a while, it's
something that just you know, you you definitely want to
(26:26):
have stability, and you definitely always want to have, you know,
a place to live home.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That's that's very important.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
But you don't you don't need a like high high
amount of money to get all the cars you want
to get all the all like all that stuff, because.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's yeah, you don't want it to become your god, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Your source of happiness exactly. There's definitely stuff that are
way more important than you know, your jet or whatever
or whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, no, that's so true. It's like, yeah, I love
asking a question and everyone's answer is different. I feel
like each category money, power, respect, it'd all be. I
guess it's all about perspective. I look at everything in perspective.
It can all be bad, right, and good at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
It just depends on a person and where you are
in your life. So if I'm if I'm, I feel
like money highlights who you already are, right, if you're
If I'm if I'm a douchebag, then I'm just if
I get more money, I become a bigger douchebag, right,
And then if I want respect, that's ego, right, because
no one is entitled to respect me or not. You know,
that's just something in self. I think it just depends
(27:39):
on how to look at it or ya, and power
right can can easily be completely If I'm a power
hungry person, I'm gonna either do good with it or not.
Just depends upon who I am. So I think it's
depends on the person who gets it. I think I
think it's some people, And I think that's why some
(28:00):
people go crazy with it and some people don't, because
I think it's knowing. I think this journey of life
is all about self and learning who we are, who
you know, what God, who God created us to be,
with our gifts and talents, and how we can be
resourceful through this journey.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, exactly. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I love your answer.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, it's a it's a good way to see it
as perspective, because you know, I definitely do see that
every answer could be right. You know, Like if you're
somebody struggling every day because you can barely get a meal,
I would understand why money would be, you know, your
big factor. Or if you're somebody who nobody listens to
(28:45):
at all, No matter what, people just shrug you off
every day.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I'm sure exactly. I know why your main factor is power.
So it's all different for everybody exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But I love your sure. I love how you broke
it down. That was awesome. You know. I'm a filmmaker.
I got into this industry and I was like sixteen,
and I'm oh, my god, I want to say my
age on on audio, but I'm in my I'm my
thirties now right time has passed by, But I never
(29:20):
regretted any moment of why I chose the entertainment business.
Do you feel like you know, and I as an artist,
what do you I mean? I'm sure you have days
that you're not motivated, But what keeps you going at
the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Oh, for sure, Just the fact that I have a
voice that can make music, you know, and that I
when I am done, I can just come in my
room and you know, work on it for a bit.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Just that itself is enough.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
I feel like, I just love love using my inner
thoughts in mind too, to play it on something that
I don't know that I can just it's a It's
a good way to feel who I am. It's a
good way to feel the inside of me. Almost It's like,
(30:17):
rather if like other people listen to it, that that's great,
and people find relatability in it, that's great. But it's
definitely my dream to to do this forever.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
And.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
I'll wake up and the first thing will be thinking
about my next what comes next.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I never I never stall.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
I just I always have something to get off my mind,
I guess.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So it's definitely not.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
It doesn't even have to do with motivation to me,
because motivation and my eyes, is something that you're working
because you want something from it.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You want you want to go further.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Like if you have dedication and motivation and it's not
your life, you're just well, it is your life, but
you're just motivated for it.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That will always fade. You can't just have motivation for it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Motivation fades, and you're not truly doing what you want
to do in life. If you are doing what you
love and what you're super passionate about, you'd be doing it,
whether you're making money off, whether you have free time
or not, that's what you'd be doing.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's like.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
People say that if you're doing what you love, you'll
never work a day in your life. It's more like
that that's what it is to me, I just love
it so much and I'm just passionate. It's more than motivation.
I don't need to be motivated for it. I still
enjoy doing it, so it's just I love that.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's beautiful. Well, Sam, what what advice would you give
to that that you know, young guy or young girl
out there that wants to get into the music world.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Oh, you definitely do it if that's really what you
love doing, Like if you like seeing it doesn't matter
how bad you are or how how low quality your voices,
because in your own way, you will always be able
to improve and you will always be able to find
your own voice. And trust me, no matter what your
(32:41):
voice is, it can always turn out to come out unique.
I started out with the worst, the worst voice.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
And I know way, no way, no way.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, And I know that no matter who you are,
no matter who you are, you can.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Always put your own your.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Own energy into music. Music is is is not just
it's it's skill, but the skill comes with the with
the love and the energy you put inside of it,
you can have a completely different not you know, not
like a mainstream singer voice, and you can you can
(33:30):
use your own voice in a way that that sounds
good with what you want to do. You know, it's
there's never any anybody who's going to be not able
to enter the music industry if they don't want to.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
If they want it enough.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And they have they have the right mindset, they can
always use their voice in its special way to say
and put the energy there on into it.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's beautiful. Thank you for that great advice. Where can
people find you on social media to follow everything you
got going on.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Right now on Spotify, Apple Music, and I think I'm
gonna start on TikTok soon. Just releasing a little bit
of a little bit of snippets. It is nice, just
sink Tatum s A I N T t A t
U M. It's the same same as my name, there's nothing,
(34:36):
it's not different on any platform, the same everywhere.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Nice, nice, love that, love that. Thank you so much
for coming on. It was a pleasure talking to you
for sure, absolutely and thank you all for listening and
always remember to live, love, laugh. We'll talk to you
guys next time.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
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