September 12, 2025 • 34 mins
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Darryn Yates is a retro rock and alt-rock artist whose music fuses driving guitars with soaring, melodic choruses. His latest single, No Regrets Only Greatness, marks a powerful return to the stage and reaffirms his lifelong passion for music.Darryn first rose to prominence as the frontman of the pop-rock band On Tracy Lane (OTL), opening for major acts such as Avril Lavigne, American Hi-Fi, Local H, and Phantom Planet. The band’s momentum further grew when actress Lacey Chabert, known for Mean Girls and Party of Five, appeared in one of their music videos. While OTL never fully broke into the mainstream, the experience cemented Darryn’s commitment to a life in music.His journey began unexpectedly after a high school sports injury redirected his path from athletics to music. Inspired by rock icons like Kiss and Poison, Darryn discovered his true calling during his first live performance and never looked back.Beyond music, Darryn has pursued careers in radio, television, and the corporate world, while also carving out a role as a motivational speaker, podcaster, and author. These experiences, along with overcoming personal struggles, deepened his understanding of resilience and reignited his dedication to creating and performing music.In 2025, Darryn has released three new singles, with additional tracks in production alongside producer Kevin W. Gates. His vision is to record a full-length album and deliver electrifying live shows reminiscent of the larger-than-life performances he grew up idolizing.Driven by a philosophy of boldness and disruption, Darryn Yates inspires audiences not only through his music but also through his story. His message is clear: chase your dreams without regret, and embrace greatness in every step of the journey.
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Darryn Yates is a retro rock and alt-rock artist whose music fuses driving guitars with soaring, melodic choruses. His latest single, No Regrets Only Greatness, marks a powerful return to the stage and reaffirms his lifelong passion for music.Darryn first rose to prominence as the frontman of the pop-rock band On Tracy Lane (OTL), opening for major acts such as Avril Lavigne, American Hi-Fi, Local H, and Phantom Planet. The band’s momentum further grew when actress Lacey Chabert, known for Mean Girls and Party of Five, appeared in one of their music videos. While OTL never fully broke into the mainstream, the experience cemented Darryn’s commitment to a life in music.His journey began unexpectedly after a high school sports injury redirected his path from athletics to music. Inspired by rock icons like Kiss and Poison, Darryn discovered his true calling during his first live performance and never looked back.Beyond music, Darryn has pursued careers in radio, television, and the corporate world, while also carving out a role as a motivational speaker, podcaster, and author. These experiences, along with overcoming personal struggles, deepened his understanding of resilience and reignited his dedication to creating and performing music.In 2025, Darryn has released three new singles, with additional tracks in production alongside producer Kevin W. Gates. His vision is to record a full-length album and deliver electrifying live shows reminiscent of the larger-than-life performances he grew up idolizing.Driven by a philosophy of boldness and disruption, Darryn Yates inspires audiences not only through his music but also through his story. His message is clear: chase your dreams without regret, and embrace greatness in every step of the journey.
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Creators to Creators. Today,
today we have a special guest.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Hi. My name is Darren Yates. Welcome, Welcome, Thank you
for having me. This is fun absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You know, I love going back to the beginning. I always,
you know, love starting there because I say, the beginning,
you know, charge our trajectory in life, our little habits
we pick up along the way, follow us into our adulthood.
Tell me a little bit about out your childhood.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And you know, when when did the love for music begin?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know, great question. I grew up a total jock.
I was in a baseball, football, basketball, My dad was
a football coach. My mom was in a special education area,
and so grew up, you know, under the you know,
two teachers as parents, and I was like, I said,
I was a total jock and I it was a
tenth grade basketball game. My knee blew out. So for
(01:29):
the first time in years, I was not doing sports. Meanwhile,
at the lunch table, I was always sitting with you know,
the rebels and the artists and you know, the wild
child's And so they asked me, hey, Darren, now that
you're not playing sports, do you want to you want
to sing in our band? I'm like singing a band,
that's crazy. And later that night I couldn't get to sleep.
(01:52):
I kept staring at my wall. The my room was
wallpapered in posters in eighties nineties bands. You know, I'm
a hair bay. I loved all the eighties rock growing up,
so I thought, you know what, maybe I can do this.
Why not? So the next day I'm like, you, guys,
I'm in, let's go. So that's kind of how it
was starting. Now. I took a tar of lesson when
I was thirteen, but fifteen sixteen, tenth grade is when
(02:12):
I kind of started my first band experience.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Nice, that's awesome, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you know it's
so cool like start, you know, and you know bands,
it's always goot to start in a band of working
with others and then going off. Were you were you
in the when you were in the band, did you
like when? When was it when you were like, all right,
I want to go off and like start my own thing.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know, I'm not sure if it was my mom,
how much you worshiped Elvis Presley, or you know, being
a being a son of two teachers. Right, maybe I
rebelled or whatever, but I I just the second we play.
I think we played our first show. I would think
I was in eleventh grade. It was tenth or eleventh grade.
It was pretty quick after we started learning songs. And
when that first show the music bug bit me, I'm like,
(02:59):
oh my, and it was crazy. You have a dream
and you know, and then you have a lot of
society people telling you. You get all this crazy feedback. Oh,
it's a tough business. You better have a plan. B
you know, there was a whole it was kind of weird.
There was a whole lot of support, like a whole second.
I'm excited. I'm happy to pursue my dream and music
I found. I think my calling and none of you
(03:20):
guys are going to support me. And now my immedia
family will was supportive. But you know, but a lot
of friends and family, a lot of inner circle, a
lot of cynical people out there.
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Speaker 4 (03:59):
And so the more Centissen I got toward it more,
it kind of made me even more like, Okay, you
know what, watch this, I'm gonna do this. And so
the rock and roll bug bit me that first show
you know, getting centis in about it. It was mine.
I'm like, okay, now, this is this is what it
means when all by rock heroes they talk about, you know,
just going against the norm, you know, and and proving
(04:20):
people wrong and being rebellious and edgy, and that was
always kind of me naturally. So I so yeah that
first show I knew, I knew, Oh my gosh, yeah,
I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I love that. I love that it's like no no
turning you back.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Your latest single, No Regrets Only Greatness, has such a
powerful title. And you know, in this day and age
as we live in, you know, we look around, you know,
with all the things that's going on in the world
not so positive. This song is so necessary and it's fun,
it's edgy, but also has a great message. What inspired
(04:55):
the song and what message do you want listeners to
take away from it?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, thank you so much for checking it out. You know,
I never got the big break that I thought it would.
I was out in LA in Nashville, and you know,
I never got signed. Back in the day, you know,
there was no Internet. You had to get signed. So
when I didn't get signed and I realized I had
to get into the regular world, that was kind of
a bummer moment for me, you know, And I tried
to do the regular job. I just kept getting fired.
(05:21):
I hated being told I was worth I knew deep
down I wanted to pursue my dream. So I hit
a really rough time and I realized I had two choices.
This just a few years ago, several years ago, I'm like, Okay,
I can stay on this dark path, you know, who
knows what happens, or you know what I can just put,
you know, to dig in and just figure it out
blood sweat, tears, And I chose the latter. I just
started studying people who were at where I wanted to be.
(05:44):
I started studying all my marketing. I realized all that
on Tracy Lane, the band I first started out in
La All that was for something, you know. It wasn't
just a waste of time. That was the foundation. That
was that story. That's wisdom, that's experience, that's a I
with grit is not stopping. And so now I'm like,
all that that I thought was for nothing, it's actually
(06:06):
the foundation to the story of trying to reach my greatness.
And so I have no regrets. I'm going for my
greatness and that's the message that I've told myself. And
so as I keep doing it, I want to And
apparently I am a few people here and there are
being inspired by it as well. And that's what I
think gives me this my second go around at the
music business. There's there's a power, there's a message, there's
(06:29):
there's oh and other people are getting on board. I
just feel like there's power in this second time around
that I'm feeling. So thank you again for checking it
out and seeing seeing the message.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, yeah, you know it's all you know, it's it's
it's all about timing. I think I think everything is
a timing thing. You know. Uh, it's it's it's like
I love that you you know, It's feels different now
more than ever. And I feel like universally too, people
need this kind of message because even in the music world,
(06:58):
I would think it's not as positive as we see,
but we need people that can make things fun atchy
but also positive. Like I feel like sometimes we hear
music now it's just about glowing frying money or cars
and women and which, you know, I guess that's a
place time and a place for everything. But yeah, yeah,
(07:20):
good to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
It seems like a lot of the now no offense,
a lot of mad respect for all the young people
crushing it, you know, doing their thing, a lot of influencers,
a lots of younger artists. But there's there's a stigma
in society where as we get older, a lot of
people think we have to give up. Man, I'm trying
to turn the tables. The older we get, the more,
like I said before, the wisdom and the experience and
(07:42):
the wherewithal of grit, and we have more to tell
and we can inspire people. I think more older people
should be going out their dream with everything they got go.
I mean, yeah, So there's value in this message. And
whoever's listening to this, if there's a dream that you
have that you haven't gone all in with. It's a
new song coming out pretty soon called Swing for the Fences.
(08:03):
If we don't go all in with something, how do
we know how far we can go? And so that's
the message I had, you know, And if you're younger
and you're and you have a vision, go for it.
Like you said, we'll figure it out. We all have
different journeys. Some people figured it out earlier than later,
some people figured out later. Man, Just just go go
do it. Shout out to the world what your what
your passion is, share it with us, because you know,
(08:26):
if you don't get excited about it and go for it.
How can anyone how can anyone else hop on board?
You know, so yeah, go go, go go exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, over over the years you worked in radio
and television and the corporate world. How how did those
experiences impact your approach to music today.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know, it's crazy. When I didn't get my first break,
you know, out in LA and Nashville, I opened for
a bunch of national acts, Lashaship Bear was in a video, Nice,
went overseas for the troops. Didn't get a break. You know,
it's so close, so many times, you know. I moved
back home to Saint Louis area, met a girl, start
a family, you know, and I thought, you know what,
she'll probably be a lot cooler with me doing interviews
and radio things then me, you know, flirting with girls,
(09:07):
music shows, girls flirting with me, I should say it,
so okay, you know, so this is kind of my
second dream. I'm gonna pursue my show, you know, and
interview people. And while I was working regular jobs and
the show stuff just it was cool. It was a
great ride, you know, but deep down I knew what
the dream was, you know. And the more I got
(09:27):
fired and the more frustrated I got with my show,
and my wife was even seeing the frustration, and God
love her. When I hit my rock bottom, She's like,
you know what, Darren, whatever you got to go, I
want you to be happy, you know. And so those
all that adversity, all that, all those firings, all me
soul searching, you know, trying to trying to find out
what my place was in this world. When I when
(09:48):
I when I bounce back with it, I just thought,
oh my gosh, I have a message. I have a purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I didn't choose dark. I chose my dream the light.
So now I have this well to off from of
That's why you listen to all my new music. It's
all about a certain theme of going for and pursuing
your dreams and seeing how far you can take it
and seeing what your potential really is, you know. So
so I think a lot of that adversity, you know,
with with not finding a way with my show at
(10:15):
that point. I think my show will come back at
some point. But back then, you know, the regular job
in the show, it wasn't working. It kind of helped
fuel me. My wife always tells me she did dinner
it because I get mad. Why it takes me so long?
Why have you go to dinner? If you didn't go
through what you went through, all the adversity, you wouldn't
have the passion and the fire that you have now,
you know, so that those were blessings. And so I
(10:37):
look at anybody who's going through a rough time, this
is this could be your springboard to success. This could
be your wake up call, this could be Sometimes we
see more clearly when we're at rock bottom. Then we're
we're in the middle trying to make everybody happy, you know.
So it's so yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So true. I love that, you know five you you've
already released you know, three new songs. Can you walk
us through your creative process when writing and recording new music?
What does that look like?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
We know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
When I first saw the light of what was possible
and all that stuff they didn't work out before, it
was just a foundation. I started, Oh my gosh, I
started writing stuff left and right. I had about two
hundred recordings in my my little dorky audio phone. Apple iphoned,
you know, and I love it. There was a chorus
idea here, a lyric, idea here, a verse idea here.
(11:31):
I put them all all together and now I'm releasing
my top ideas. Some were full ideas, so you know,
you get kind of you mix and match. And then
when I was all ready to start recording, I got
a hold of all my old band guys I'd played with,
and no offense, I love them, but they all they
all bailed on me. They were ghosted me. A lot
of them are in cover bands. A lot of them
(11:51):
either aren't playing music or are in cover bands. So
so okay, now you know, so okay, I'm going to
find I'm going to find the most awesome producer I
can find. So I spent six months, six eight months,
put my head down and had about thirty to forty
zoom meetings all these producers. You know, I wanted someone
that could help me, you know, with everything with help
me with pre production, help me, you know, kind a
(12:12):
piece of songs together, help me with the instruments. Of course,
I did all the vocals and I wrote all the songs.
But I finally found my guy, my gosh, Kevin W.
Gates in Springfield, Missouri, where Brad Pitt's from. It's about
three or four hours from where I'm from. So every
couple months I shoot down there and we record a
couple of songs, and so I found my guy. You know,
I don't need a band. I don't have a ban yet.
(12:33):
I kind of challenge myself. You know what if I
want to play big shows and I got to build
this online to where I can you know, I can
pack places. You know, That's where I'm at. I'm challenging
myself if I can't play a packed show. Of course,
I'm gonna do small venis at first, kind of build it,
but I want to build it online first. I'm challenging myself. Darren,
do you want to play live, which I know you
love to do. You got to build this thing and
(12:53):
you know, like I said, be able to have a
lot of people come out, and someone's building this thing.
You know, I don't have a band yet. I can't wait.
I'm gonna have auditions pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Here excited.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So yeah, right now I'm turning down acoustic shows. I
want to build the dream is a rock show. Ever
since I was you know, younger, I knew and I
did a bunch of rock shows with my old bands
and stuff. But man, this time around, I'm hitting the
dream one hundred percent. There's no one that I work
with next that my producer, who's not gonna nothing but
(13:26):
old guys held me back anyway. But they're just there's
a certain freedom and a certain just you know that
I have right now that I'm that I'm doing with
me and my producer, and we're creating the sound and
we're building the songs, and so it'd be fun putting
the live show together at some point. Yeah soon here.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I love that. No, I think that's beautiful. And you know,
I just think that, you know, if you don't believe
in it, like right, no one else will. And I
think that's that's what it takes with this business. I
think a lot of times people hear the we see
the success, but it's like you don't see the struggle.
We don't see what it takes to get to make
that outbum, to make those you know, it's great to
(14:04):
hear that, you know, you have to bet on yourself,
and it's and I don't and you hear all the
time too. It's like when you get older, it's like, okay,
you should stop and think of something something else, But
it's like, no, no, who says, why does why does
your dream have to have an age limit?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It doesn't yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, that's so awesome. There's so many people that are
that are that have the talent and they have everything
it takes talent wise, and to get there. They're just
not hitting it with a certain mindset, with a certain intention,
because when you move with intention to make something happen,
for sure, you move in a certain kind of awesome
way versus well, I'm gonna wait and see how it goes.
(14:45):
Oh there's an obstacle. I better pull back. Oh I'm
getting hate, I'm getting you know, cynicism. You know, man,
you got to just barrel through that. And when you
get hate and cynicism, man, get excited about that. That
shows you're in the game, because that's how that's how
this thing works. I think a lot of it is
just a lot of people don't want to hear, you know,
they want they don't want to go through their up
parts to hear all the sentences and hear all the
(15:06):
negative because most people don't pursue and go all in
with their big dream. When you do, you're going to
get resistance. So just embrace the resistance, laugh at it,
you know, just I don't know, Just like you said before,
you got to just go for it and put yourself
out there and believe in it, because if you don't
believe in it, and not only believe in it, but
take the action like you believe in it, not just
believe in it like you know, you've got to take
(15:27):
action like you believe in it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I love that. I love asking this question on the show.
And there's no wrong answer. I promise the three the
three levels of influence, money, power, and respect. And if
you could choose only one of those things, which one
would you choose?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And why, you know what I'm I'm all about the respect,
you know. I think at this I think this time around,
with with the experience that I have, with me going
after with me putting in all all my dues, paying
my dues, all the hours I put in. You know
what this is. I think this is a respectful thing
I'm doing. I think I think it's inspiring people. And yeah,
(16:07):
you know, money power, that to me, that's all stuff
that I really can't control. I don't know. I mean
how much I guess I can to a certain extent,
But how I conduct myself and how I do things
from the heart and being authentic, I think I can
control the respect and integrity, you know, and being a
good person and doing this for the right reasons. And
you know, I'm not looking to be rich er famo. Now.
(16:27):
If I get to a certain level, yeah let's go.
You know. But man, heart drives this, tears drive this.
You know, a guy that is just curious, you know,
if that dream he had when he was a kid,
if he could do it. You know, if I think
about too much, I mean I get tears in my minds,
you know. I mean, this is there's such a passion
that drives this thing, you know. So yeah, respect integrity,
(16:50):
and just do it for the right reasons. And when
you know that's your thing. You know, we all know
what our dream is deep down. We all know when
you go at it with everything you have, there's a
certain happiness and just a bad assing is that we
walk with. There's a swagger that we create, we create momentum,
we shatter imposter syndrome, and we just give it everything
(17:12):
you got. And like Post Malone says in that one song,
you know now they all say congratulation. Yeah, I mean
that's the vibe right now. I'm dry, I'm grinding to
change conversations or what's Daron doing? Oh, here's crazy music
drinking blah blah blah. Hey Darren, can we get backstage?
That's how I'm going to change these conversations, you know.
And and when we look at it that way, you know,
(17:34):
I think there's there's just something that there's a fire
that lights in us that when that thing is lit,
it's hard to stop you. It's hard to stop you.
So find that fire and and go press the pedal
to the freaking metal.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I love. That's that's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And I'm curious because you know, I was talking to
someone about this recently, about just how the music business
has changed through time. You know, back then it was
you know, you know, because everything's so accessible, everything's so fast,
everything's online, everything, social media, views, Spotify, it's it's people
(18:12):
can connect with people differently. How opposed it before we
had to get you know, you had to get a
record and deal with all these things. Do you feel
like the music business has changed in favor of the
artist now?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh? You know what, one undred percent? Yes, the gatekeepers
have been eliminated, you know, and you can build your
own thing now you can. Now there's a lot more
people doing it, So you got to you know, really
be authentic and really stick with it and get after
it to cut through the noise. But yes, and that's
all I needed to hear when I realize that, Okay,
(18:47):
all that stuff I did before that was not a waste.
I can build something and I don't need it necessarily
get signed. I can kind of build when I All
I needed was a chance. I knew it wasn't going
to be easy. I knew it wasn't going to be
you know, a piece of cake. But all I needed
was there's a chance. You mean, this depends on my
personality and my work ethic and my grind and my
belief and what I'm doing, sign me up, you know. So,
(19:09):
so yeah, when you switch your mindset of of because
that's what my mindset was. Is a myosha? Is that
pronounce to day emosha?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Perfect?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, I grinded back in the day to press somebody
else my attitude. You know what, Well, I'm gonna wait
and get signed and then I can you know, write
better songs or more songs, have more money, blah blah blah.
And so when you take away the gatekeeper, like the
gatekeepers have been eliminated when you think about just building
it on your own. There's power in that, there's awareness
(19:37):
you go on this journey, it's a I mean, pursuing
your dream is basically another another way to put you
have a like a personal development transformation, because you can't
do well without the other. So when you when you
get into this game, you help. I don't know if
there's a certain like personal development thing that's happened, which
I didn't really really, you know what I mean? So
power and just becoming the best I guess that's the
(19:59):
way that someone just becoming the best version of yourself
you possibly can and that includes that includes going for
your main dream with everything you got. Yeah, I'm not
sure if I answer your question, but I get excited.
I love talking about this. I get excited it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, I think it's great. I'm excited ring off me.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I appreciate you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You know you're right, because you know, I think sometimes
and I love what you said. It's like, I'm glad
that you're taking matters in your own hands because I
think a lot of artists and just a lot of
people in general who are going after the dreams, especially
entrepreneurship it's like just having owned stuff. It's it is difficult.
You don't really see the way, but you're like, Okay,
I'm betting on myself. But there's resources. You know, we
(20:43):
have AI now, which people there's some indifference with that,
but I feel like if you use it for the
right thing and it helps your business grow and do
it whatever by all means. Because we don't have rules anymore,
like you said, we don't have to go through we
can eliminate the middleman and have control. And I don't
think everyone has that mindset to take control of their
(21:03):
own life and ownership because it's a lot of work.
I mean it is, but not everything. Yeah, if you
want it, I guess.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
That's exactly right. That was another part of my whole
story was, you know, I kept getting fired and I
had this dream. I knew I couldn't work for anybody else. Again,
I hated the thought of being told I was so okay, Darren,
before you can hit this music thing, you got to
become your own boss. So that was a whole nother
thing you mentioned being an entrepreneur, So I've basically, you know,
I decided to pursue two of the toughest things in
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the world, rock music and entrepreneurship. All the time, I
was like, if I hit both of them's got to
work right. So right, So it's kind of cool that
the way it all happened where I kind of you know,
became a coach help other people kind of see the lights,
you know, just to transform their mindset. That's how my
initial coaching program started, just helping people with their mindset.
(21:52):
Nice and like you said before, you know, it's got
clear in your brain before you are going to go
do the things you have to do, you know, you
got to find that fire first. You can't just do
it for a couple of weeks and hope it works
and do it for the money or this or that. Man,
You gotta this has to be powered by pure grit
and desire and heart and passion and that fire inside
you as a human being to want to go capture
(22:13):
your potential. But once I can see the fire is lit.
And some people can do this, you know, part time
while they while they do their normal job. You don't
have to quit your job. You know, a lot of
people can work regular jobs and instead of you know,
being on Netflix three hours a day, grind on your
dream you know, or you know what I'm saying, there's
there's a there's a If it's important enough to you,
you're going to find a way to put the time
(22:34):
in to figure it out. And nowadays, as you know,
google YouTube, you can learn how you all kinds of stuff.
You know. True, if I have a heart to figure
out what to do, it's just coming up with the
fire and the fuel and the chip on your shoulder
and the f you that you know, you got to
add a little bit of a chip, a little bit
of a fu to you to get this thing going,
you know, So don't be afraid to tap into that
(22:54):
chip on your shoulder. You can drive the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, it was you. Okay, I love that, you know,
I love we say you're your coach and you you
help people like get that mindset of you know, do
you feel like what would you like? What are the
top three things that people do that blocks them from
their I don't know their goals?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, I think the main thing is is that they
just they listen to the cynicism everywhere when you when
you announce or in any way that you want to
pursue a dream, you know, And so it's just it's
just eliminating that cynical thing that goes on. It's having
having the wherewithal to figure out what your dream is.
(23:34):
What is it like some people? What's your dream? A
lot of people can't answer it, you know, so so
ignore the cynicism, figure out what it is. And once
you figure out what it is and you ignore all
the cynicism, I have a feeling those are the two things.
They're going to light the fire that you need, which
is the third thing is get that fire going and
just go, go, go, and only two outcomes will happen.
(23:56):
You'll either do it. How cool would that be? Or
you'll never wondering. You'll never wonder what would have happened?
You know, And that's powerful. I saw a thing recently.
There's a video or something somewhere where a lot of
people in their nineties, one hundred years old or whatever
at nursing homes. They don't regret what they did. They
regret all the things they didn't do that they wish
they would have done. Now they wonder what I could
(24:20):
have been, what could have happened if I would have
given it everything I had? And you know, and it's
like like if you're too old to be pursued baseball.
That was your dream you were a kid, Start a
podcast about baseball, become a coach, become a you know,
a pr person. You know, there's so many jobs associated
with pro baseball that there, you know, there are no excuses.
Oh I'm too old, I'm to this. No, you're not
(24:41):
ques saying that, you know. So so yeah, there's there's
power in believing and ignoring certain things and finding the
fire and a lot of it. Like I said, that
personal developed development journey's going to be a lonely ride.
But I think loneliness is the path to greatness.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Say that again, let's go, let's go. Loneliness is the
past the greatness. That is so true, because really good
to hear, because it is. You have to eliminate the noise,
because it's it's all it's not all noises, not good noise.
You need to, you know, erase that and listen to
self and that that God given particle that we all have.
(25:19):
Follow it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It just got chills, seriously, I mean, this is the
lonely thing getting to your greatness. It's a lot of
us saying no to certain energies. It's saying no going
to certain places with people that aren't good for you.
It's a lot of lone time. Same to you. I
haven't talked to someone like you like this. I love it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
It's like sometimes we outgrow come from some of our
old stuff. We'd used to do right, but we're not
big enough to hang out with all the top the
elite people. So we're in this weird little no man's
land hill or gap or whatever you wanna call a
little trail or whatever. But if you keep going, you
are going to be hanging out with all the people
that inspired you. You're gonna have a pass to all
(26:01):
these events, and you're gonna have page your dues, and
you're gonna it's gonna be different by authenticity and that
fire that we talk about, So that that little lonely time,
that's that's part of it. So embrace it, you know,
almost like smiling a couple of lyrics my future song
and say smile in the rain, you know, Embrace the pain,
Enjoy the pain almost like it's growth, it's experience, it's
(26:24):
you know, and I think I think you mentioned a
while ago, you know, how bad do you want it?
You know? And and I as an artist who really
wanted to see what I was capable of. I had
to do it. That my happiness depending on it, you know,
while I'm here on earth, I want to be happy.
I don't want I don't want to wonder what if.
And so there's power in the in the alone path,
(26:46):
you know. And yeah, I encourage everybody that has that
spark something's not right, don't be afraid to do it alone.
Like you said, so thank you for for the awesome vibes.
And it's so awesome talking to you about this. This
is awesome. I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, no, thank you, thank you. You know it's And
I'm curious too when when it comes to performing, when
you get back on stage, are you are you looking
forward to to performing these these new songs in front
of people and and like that that energy, because I'm
sure that's I don't I've never I don't know what
that feels like, but I can only imagine how that
(27:18):
feels to perform.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh, yasha, I have a microphone ride here. I run
around my my man cave and sing to these songs.
I can't wait to go back to the old on
Tracy Lane Archives and get a bunch of kind of
do like current versions of those songs, and I got
a bunch more on going to release, so oh my gosh,
I dream about it. I had to take a dorkey
(27:40):
relaxing tea at night to sleep.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know. Oh, you're like up, You're like up up?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, I saw, I saw. You know, some people want
it kind of bad, some people want it a little
bit bad. Some people want it bad, and then some
people are obsessed. You know, I have a fail me.
I'm trying to be a good day and not get divorced,
but I'm definitely I'm definitely obsessed with just the potential
and seeing how far we can take it. You know,
to me, it's like I got past the harp park.
This is the funk part. Let's have fun. That's why
(28:09):
I said before. I want to have jacuzzi's on stage
and fan partying, and I want to have explosions, probably
away from the jacuzzi, but you know, just like a
rock show full of energy, of wall and guitars. You know,
I don't know, I just oh, I yes, so yes,
let's go. I cannot wait to play live.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I can't wait to let me know I'd love to come.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I will thank you, thank you. Yeah, and I can't
wait to hear more about what you're doing. And I
know you're out there doing your thing, so kudos you
keep it up and keep me up thereate on what
you're doing. This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, definitely, definitely really quick. I love asking this question too.
If you could, you know, work with any artists living
or dead, who would it be? And why?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know what I mean, it's crazy. I'm gonna I
have two answers. My old school answer is bon Jovi.
I'm a I'm a dorky bon Jovi guy. His his
range is a little bit higher than mine, so it's
great to warm up with. But currently I can't. I
have a song coming out as I want to party
with post Malone. I have a song. I have a
(29:14):
song called that. He's so cool. He's such a nice guy.
How cool he is to everybody. You know, He's a
guy that persevered through all this. He was ridiculed, he
was kind of a loner, you know all that. So yeah,
so if I got to hang out with bon Joey
you pick his brain and then party with post Malone,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well that's a quick, good U good question, he said,
pick his brain what would you ask him if you
if you could.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
You know, I just I just I love his the
way he's like kept it all about music and rock
and roll. We don't know what his political thing is.
We don't know what. You know, There's never been much
drama with him. You know. He's he's just a through
and through. Uh, He's a rock legend, you know. And
I just want to hear about like the songwriting process,
(29:58):
you know, and just like you know, like does he
come up with like little ideas here and there? Is
it full songs? Is in middle of the night? Does
he have to because I can't like plan to write. Okay,
at four point thirty we're gonna have a writing session.
I would have nothing there, Darren yeates, he sucks. He's
just sitting there. You know. I have to be in
the middle of the night with a tear or some
kind of a thought or some kind of inspiration or
(30:20):
some kind you know, I mean some kind of a
in emotion that that that creates a line or a
lyric or something. So I would like to pick his
brain about just you know, the the artist songwriting and
and his his like real process, not the cool stuff
he says in the press. I want to hear I
want to hear, you know, I don't know just the
I would love to hear that that process that he
goes through, Yeah that's awesome and check out. Yeah I got,
(30:44):
I got. I got to add a caveat to that.
This is this is kind of wild and crazy. But
I did it. My ash girlfriend not in La used
to work for Bond joke, I might, I might get uh.
I think I think the legal things done. I think
we're good. But I I had his address. I did.
I was a runner for Saban Entertainment. I did an
errand out there. I was a little you know, a
runner driver or whatever. And I realized I was in
Malibu and I had bon Joby's address. So I went
(31:05):
and knocked on. I went and anyway, I got through
the intercome, I got through the gate. I didn't know
it was. I didn't realize where I was walking to.
I walked down a little a little road off p H.
I kept walking. Okay, I guess I'll leave. I can't
find his number. Meanwhile, that that that walkway was all
the way to his basically his driver to his awesome
gigantic house. And I knocked on his door, and I
(31:28):
got to be real good friends with his handyman. So
I want to ask him, do you remember when I
when I talked to you on the intercom that second
question asked?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, perfect question. I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was like I wasn't trying to stalk or be weird.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I was.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I was. I just wanted to hang out with John
and asking him some advice about the rock music stuff.
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That is awesome. Wow, I love that. I love that
really quick. What what advice would you give your younger
self if you could go back.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I would tell my younger self to take the internet
more seriously because when I first, you know, started going
through some weird times and the on Tracy Lincoln was
kind of you know, petering out a little bit. It
was losing steam, and the Internet was starting to happen,
you know, twenty which is nine, twenty twelve, twenty tenor
whatever whatever it was when we really started getting momentum.
I guess yeah, And I, you know, I didn't really
(32:27):
see that. I don't know, I was kind of burn out.
I need to go through a bunch of stuff. You know.
That's when I met my wife and stuff. So well,
besides that, Hey, Darren, take the take the internet more serious.
I would just tell myself, you know what, Darren, give
it everything you got and it's you. You know. Actually,
the more I think about that question, if I didn't
go through everything I went through, I wouldn't be doing
(32:48):
this with the music that I'm dealing with. So it's
almost like I don't know, I you know, Oh my gosh,
this is this is gonna be a great segue. No regrets,
only greatness, you know what I mean. That's that's kind
of what I Yeah, I mean, I I have no regrets. Yeah,
let's go that rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Let's go. That's right. Where can people find you on
social media? Follow everything you have going on?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, you know what. Just Darren Yates dot com is
my main website. You can click on music and click
on coaching. There Darren Yates U D A R R
y N Darren Yates or the I'm on the at
the Darren Yates Show on Instagram. But yeah, just just
search Darren Yates and you'll find me and say, hey.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Awesome, definitely, thank you so much. This was a pleasure,
so much fun chatting with you. You gave me so
much energy. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And you have to thank you so much. And I
just want to tell people you know. And my fourth
song coming out after No Regrets Owning Great this is
a song called Swing for the Fences. And then my
fifth song is gonna be called Freaks, Rebels and Weirdos.
So whatever time you're listening to this, maybe and check
out some myself on Spotify. But there's a lot more
new original retro retro rock music coming. So thank you
for everything, and you've been awesome. You rock co graps
(34:01):
you and go look with everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Thank you, Thank you so much, and and thank you
all for listening and always remember to live, love, laugh.
We'll see you guys next time. Byebye,
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Creators to Creators. Today,
today we have a special guest.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Hi. My name is Darren Yates. Welcome, Welcome, Thank you
for having me. This is fun absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You know, I love going back to the beginning. I always,
you know, love starting there because I say, the beginning,
you know, charge our trajectory in life, our little habits
we pick up along the way, follow us into our adulthood.
Tell me a little bit about out your childhood.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
What was that like?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
And you know, when when did the love for music begin?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know, great question. I grew up a total jock.
I was in a baseball, football, basketball, My dad was
a football coach. My mom was in a special education area,
and so grew up, you know, under the you know,
two teachers as parents, and I was like, I said,
I was a total jock and I it was a
tenth grade basketball game. My knee blew out. So for
(01:29):
the first time in years, I was not doing sports. Meanwhile,
at the lunch table, I was always sitting with you know,
the rebels and the artists and you know, the wild
child's And so they asked me, hey, Darren, now that
you're not playing sports, do you want to you want
to sing in our band? I'm like singing a band,
that's crazy. And later that night I couldn't get to sleep.
(01:52):
I kept staring at my wall. The my room was
wallpapered in posters in eighties nineties bands. You know, I'm
a hair bay. I loved all the eighties rock growing up,
so I thought, you know what, maybe I can do this.
Why not? So the next day I'm like, you, guys,
I'm in, let's go. So that's kind of how it
was starting. Now. I took a tar of lesson when
I was thirteen, but fifteen sixteen, tenth grade is when
(02:12):
I kind of started my first band experience.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Nice, that's awesome, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, you know it's
so cool like start, you know, and you know bands,
it's always goot to start in a band of working
with others and then going off. Were you were you
in the when you were in the band, did you
like when? When was it when you were like, all right,
I want to go off and like start my own thing.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You know, I'm not sure if it was my mom,
how much you worshiped Elvis Presley, or you know, being
a being a son of two teachers. Right, maybe I
rebelled or whatever, but I I just the second we play.
I think we played our first show. I would think
I was in eleventh grade. It was tenth or eleventh grade.
It was pretty quick after we started learning songs. And
when that first show the music bug bit me, I'm like,
(02:59):
oh my, and it was crazy. You have a dream
and you know, and then you have a lot of
society people telling you. You get all this crazy feedback. Oh,
it's a tough business. You better have a plan. B
you know, there was a whole it was kind of weird.
There was a whole lot of support, like a whole second.
I'm excited. I'm happy to pursue my dream and music
I found. I think my calling and none of you
(03:20):
guys are going to support me. And now my immedia
family will was supportive. But you know, but a lot
of friends and family, a lot of inner circle, a
lot of cynical people out there.
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Speaker 4 (03:59):
And so the more Centissen I got toward it more,
it kind of made me even more like, Okay, you
know what, watch this, I'm gonna do this. And so
the rock and roll bug bit me that first show
you know, getting centis in about it. It was mine.
I'm like, okay, now, this is this is what it
means when all by rock heroes they talk about, you know,
just going against the norm, you know, and and proving
(04:20):
people wrong and being rebellious and edgy, and that was
always kind of me naturally. So I so yeah that
first show I knew, I knew, Oh my gosh, yeah,
I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I love that. I love that it's like no no
turning you back.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Yeah. Definitely.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Your latest single, No Regrets Only Greatness, has such a
powerful title. And you know, in this day and age
as we live in, you know, we look around, you know,
with all the things that's going on in the world
not so positive. This song is so necessary and it's fun,
it's edgy, but also has a great message. What inspired
(04:55):
the song and what message do you want listeners to
take away from it?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well, thank you so much for checking it out. You know,
I never got the big break that I thought it would.
I was out in LA in Nashville, and you know,
I never got signed. Back in the day, you know,
there was no Internet. You had to get signed. So
when I didn't get signed and I realized I had
to get into the regular world, that was kind of
a bummer moment for me, you know, And I tried
to do the regular job. I just kept getting fired.
(05:21):
I hated being told I was worth I knew deep
down I wanted to pursue my dream. So I hit
a really rough time and I realized I had two choices.
This just a few years ago, several years ago, I'm like, Okay,
I can stay on this dark path, you know, who
knows what happens, or you know what I can just put,
you know, to dig in and just figure it out
blood sweat, tears, And I chose the latter. I just
started studying people who were at where I wanted to be.
(05:44):
I started studying all my marketing. I realized all that
on Tracy Lane, the band I first started out in
La All that was for something, you know. It wasn't
just a waste of time. That was the foundation. That
was that story. That's wisdom, that's experience, that's a I
with grit is not stopping. And so now I'm like,
all that that I thought was for nothing, it's actually
(06:06):
the foundation to the story of trying to reach my greatness.
And so I have no regrets. I'm going for my
greatness and that's the message that I've told myself. And
so as I keep doing it, I want to And
apparently I am a few people here and there are
being inspired by it as well. And that's what I
think gives me this my second go around at the
music business. There's there's a power, there's a message, there's
(06:29):
there's oh and other people are getting on board. I
just feel like there's power in this second time around
that I'm feeling. So thank you again for checking it
out and seeing seeing the message.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, yeah, you know it's all you know, it's it's
it's all about timing. I think I think everything is
a timing thing. You know. Uh, it's it's it's like
I love that you you know, It's feels different now
more than ever. And I feel like universally too, people
need this kind of message because even in the music world,
(06:58):
I would think it's not as positive as we see,
but we need people that can make things fun atchy
but also positive. Like I feel like sometimes we hear
music now it's just about glowing frying money or cars
and women and which, you know, I guess that's a
place time and a place for everything. But yeah, yeah,
(07:20):
good to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
It seems like a lot of the now no offense,
a lot of mad respect for all the young people
crushing it, you know, doing their thing, a lot of influencers,
a lots of younger artists. But there's there's a stigma
in society where as we get older, a lot of
people think we have to give up. Man, I'm trying
to turn the tables. The older we get, the more,
like I said before, the wisdom and the experience and
(07:42):
the wherewithal of grit, and we have more to tell
and we can inspire people. I think more older people
should be going out their dream with everything they got go.
I mean, yeah, So there's value in this message. And
whoever's listening to this, if there's a dream that you
have that you haven't gone all in with. It's a
new song coming out pretty soon called Swing for the Fences.
(08:03):
If we don't go all in with something, how do
we know how far we can go? And so that's
the message I had, you know, And if you're younger
and you're and you have a vision, go for it.
Like you said, we'll figure it out. We all have
different journeys. Some people figured it out earlier than later,
some people figured out later. Man, Just just go go
do it. Shout out to the world what your what
your passion is, share it with us, because you know,
(08:26):
if you don't get excited about it and go for it.
How can anyone how can anyone else hop on board?
You know, so yeah, go go, go go exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, over over the years you worked in radio
and television and the corporate world. How how did those
experiences impact your approach to music today.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You know, it's crazy. When I didn't get my first break,
you know, out in LA and Nashville, I opened for
a bunch of national acts, Lashaship Bear was in a video, Nice,
went overseas for the troops. Didn't get a break. You know,
it's so close, so many times, you know. I moved
back home to Saint Louis area, met a girl, start
a family, you know, and I thought, you know what,
she'll probably be a lot cooler with me doing interviews
and radio things then me, you know, flirting with girls,
(09:07):
music shows, girls flirting with me, I should say it,
so okay, you know, so this is kind of my
second dream. I'm gonna pursue my show, you know, and
interview people. And while I was working regular jobs and
the show stuff just it was cool. It was a
great ride, you know, but deep down I knew what
the dream was, you know. And the more I got
(09:27):
fired and the more frustrated I got with my show,
and my wife was even seeing the frustration, and God
love her. When I hit my rock bottom, She's like,
you know what, Darren, whatever you got to go, I
want you to be happy, you know. And so those
all that adversity, all that, all those firings, all me
soul searching, you know, trying to trying to find out
what my place was in this world. When I when
(09:48):
I when I bounce back with it, I just thought,
oh my gosh, I have a message. I have a purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I didn't choose dark. I chose my dream the light.
So now I have this well to off from of
That's why you listen to all my new music. It's
all about a certain theme of going for and pursuing
your dreams and seeing how far you can take it
and seeing what your potential really is, you know. So
so I think a lot of that adversity, you know,
with with not finding a way with my show at
(10:15):
that point. I think my show will come back at
some point. But back then, you know, the regular job
in the show, it wasn't working. It kind of helped
fuel me. My wife always tells me she did dinner
it because I get mad. Why it takes me so long?
Why have you go to dinner? If you didn't go
through what you went through, all the adversity, you wouldn't
have the passion and the fire that you have now,
you know, so that those were blessings. And so I
(10:37):
look at anybody who's going through a rough time, this
is this could be your springboard to success. This could
be your wake up call, this could be Sometimes we
see more clearly when we're at rock bottom. Then we're
we're in the middle trying to make everybody happy, you know.
So it's so yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So true. I love that, you know five you you've
already released you know, three new songs. Can you walk
us through your creative process when writing and recording new music?
What does that look like?
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
We know.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
When I first saw the light of what was possible
and all that stuff they didn't work out before, it
was just a foundation. I started, Oh my gosh, I
started writing stuff left and right. I had about two
hundred recordings in my my little dorky audio phone. Apple iphoned,
you know, and I love it. There was a chorus
idea here, a lyric, idea here, a verse idea here.
(11:31):
I put them all all together and now I'm releasing
my top ideas. Some were full ideas, so you know,
you get kind of you mix and match. And then
when I was all ready to start recording, I got
a hold of all my old band guys I'd played with,
and no offense, I love them, but they all they
all bailed on me. They were ghosted me. A lot
of them are in cover bands. A lot of them
(11:51):
either aren't playing music or are in cover bands. So
so okay, now you know, so okay, I'm going to
find I'm going to find the most awesome producer I
can find. So I spent six months, six eight months,
put my head down and had about thirty to forty
zoom meetings all these producers. You know, I wanted someone
that could help me, you know, with everything with help
me with pre production, help me, you know, kind a
(12:12):
piece of songs together, help me with the instruments. Of course,
I did all the vocals and I wrote all the songs.
But I finally found my guy, my gosh, Kevin W.
Gates in Springfield, Missouri, where Brad Pitt's from. It's about
three or four hours from where I'm from. So every
couple months I shoot down there and we record a
couple of songs, and so I found my guy. You know,
I don't need a band. I don't have a ban yet.
(12:33):
I kind of challenge myself. You know what if I
want to play big shows and I got to build
this online to where I can you know, I can
pack places. You know, That's where I'm at. I'm challenging
myself if I can't play a packed show. Of course,
I'm gonna do small venis at first, kind of build it,
but I want to build it online first. I'm challenging myself. Darren,
do you want to play live, which I know you
love to do. You got to build this thing and
(12:53):
you know, like I said, be able to have a
lot of people come out, and someone's building this thing.
You know, I don't have a band yet. I can't wait.
I'm gonna have auditions pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Here excited.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So yeah, right now I'm turning down acoustic shows. I
want to build the dream is a rock show. Ever
since I was you know, younger, I knew and I
did a bunch of rock shows with my old bands
and stuff. But man, this time around, I'm hitting the
dream one hundred percent. There's no one that I work
with next that my producer, who's not gonna nothing but
(13:26):
old guys held me back anyway. But they're just there's
a certain freedom and a certain just you know that
I have right now that I'm that I'm doing with
me and my producer, and we're creating the sound and
we're building the songs, and so it'd be fun putting
the live show together at some point. Yeah soon here.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I love that. No, I think that's beautiful. And you know,
I just think that, you know, if you don't believe
in it, like right, no one else will. And I
think that's that's what it takes with this business. I
think a lot of times people hear the we see
the success, but it's like you don't see the struggle.
We don't see what it takes to get to make
that outbum, to make those you know, it's great to
(14:04):
hear that, you know, you have to bet on yourself,
and it's and I don't and you hear all the
time too. It's like when you get older, it's like, okay,
you should stop and think of something something else, But
it's like, no, no, who says, why does why does
your dream have to have an age limit?
Speaker 4 (14:20):
It doesn't yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, that's so awesome. There's so many people that are
that are that have the talent and they have everything
it takes talent wise, and to get there. They're just
not hitting it with a certain mindset, with a certain intention,
because when you move with intention to make something happen,
for sure, you move in a certain kind of awesome
way versus well, I'm gonna wait and see how it goes.
(14:45):
Oh there's an obstacle. I better pull back. Oh I'm
getting hate, I'm getting you know, cynicism. You know, man,
you got to just barrel through that. And when you
get hate and cynicism, man, get excited about that. That
shows you're in the game, because that's how that's how
this thing works. I think a lot of it is
just a lot of people don't want to hear, you know,
they want they don't want to go through their up
parts to hear all the sentences and hear all the
(15:06):
negative because most people don't pursue and go all in
with their big dream. When you do, you're going to
get resistance. So just embrace the resistance, laugh at it,
you know, just I don't know, Just like you said before,
you got to just go for it and put yourself
out there and believe in it, because if you don't
believe in it, and not only believe in it, but
take the action like you believe in it, not just
believe in it like you know, you've got to take
(15:27):
action like you believe in it as well.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I love that. I love asking this question on the show.
And there's no wrong answer. I promise the three the
three levels of influence, money, power, and respect. And if
you could choose only one of those things, which one
would you choose?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
And why, you know what I'm I'm all about the respect,
you know. I think at this I think this time around,
with with the experience that I have, with me going
after with me putting in all all my dues, paying
my dues, all the hours I put in. You know
what this is. I think this is a respectful thing
I'm doing. I think I think it's inspiring people. And yeah,
(16:07):
you know, money power, that to me, that's all stuff
that I really can't control. I don't know. I mean
how much I guess I can to a certain extent,
But how I conduct myself and how I do things
from the heart and being authentic, I think I can
control the respect and integrity, you know, and being a
good person and doing this for the right reasons. And
you know, I'm not looking to be rich er famo. Now.
(16:27):
If I get to a certain level, yeah let's go.
You know. But man, heart drives this, tears drive this.
You know, a guy that is just curious, you know,
if that dream he had when he was a kid,
if he could do it. You know, if I think
about too much, I mean I get tears in my minds,
you know. I mean, this is there's such a passion
that drives this thing, you know. So yeah, respect integrity,
(16:50):
and just do it for the right reasons. And when
you know that's your thing. You know, we all know
what our dream is deep down. We all know when
you go at it with everything you have, there's a
certain happiness and just a bad assing is that we
walk with. There's a swagger that we create, we create momentum,
we shatter imposter syndrome, and we just give it everything
(17:12):
you got. And like Post Malone says in that one song,
you know now they all say congratulation. Yeah, I mean
that's the vibe right now. I'm dry, I'm grinding to
change conversations or what's Daron doing? Oh, here's crazy music
drinking blah blah blah. Hey Darren, can we get backstage?
That's how I'm going to change these conversations, you know.
And and when we look at it that way, you know,
(17:34):
I think there's there's just something that there's a fire
that lights in us that when that thing is lit,
it's hard to stop you. It's hard to stop you.
So find that fire and and go press the pedal
to the freaking metal.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I love. That's that's beautiful.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And I'm curious because you know, I was talking to
someone about this recently, about just how the music business
has changed through time. You know, back then it was
you know, you know, because everything's so accessible, everything's so fast,
everything's online, everything, social media, views, Spotify, it's it's people
(18:12):
can connect with people differently. How opposed it before we
had to get you know, you had to get a
record and deal with all these things. Do you feel
like the music business has changed in favor of the
artist now?
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh? You know what, one undred percent? Yes, the gatekeepers
have been eliminated, you know, and you can build your
own thing now you can. Now there's a lot more
people doing it, So you got to you know, really
be authentic and really stick with it and get after
it to cut through the noise. But yes, and that's
all I needed to hear when I realize that, Okay,
(18:47):
all that stuff I did before that was not a waste.
I can build something and I don't need it necessarily
get signed. I can kind of build when I All
I needed was a chance. I knew it wasn't going
to be easy. I knew it wasn't going to be
you know, a piece of cake. But all I needed
was there's a chance. You mean, this depends on my
personality and my work ethic and my grind and my
belief and what I'm doing, sign me up, you know. So,
(19:09):
so yeah, when you switch your mindset of of because
that's what my mindset was. Is a myosha? Is that
pronounce to day emosha?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Perfect?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yes, I grinded back in the day to press somebody
else my attitude. You know what, Well, I'm gonna wait
and get signed and then I can you know, write
better songs or more songs, have more money, blah blah blah.
And so when you take away the gatekeeper, like the
gatekeepers have been eliminated when you think about just building
it on your own. There's power in that, there's awareness
(19:37):
you go on this journey, it's a I mean, pursuing
your dream is basically another another way to put you
have a like a personal development transformation, because you can't
do well without the other. So when you when you
get into this game, you help. I don't know if
there's a certain like personal development thing that's happened, which
I didn't really really, you know what I mean? So
power and just becoming the best I guess that's the
(19:59):
way that someone just becoming the best version of yourself
you possibly can and that includes that includes going for
your main dream with everything you got. Yeah, I'm not
sure if I answer your question, but I get excited.
I love talking about this. I get excited it.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, I think it's great. I'm excited ring off me.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
I appreciate you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You know you're right, because you know, I think sometimes
and I love what you said. It's like, I'm glad
that you're taking matters in your own hands because I
think a lot of artists and just a lot of
people in general who are going after the dreams, especially
entrepreneurship it's like just having owned stuff. It's it is difficult.
You don't really see the way, but you're like, Okay,
I'm betting on myself. But there's resources. You know, we
(20:43):
have AI now, which people there's some indifference with that,
but I feel like if you use it for the
right thing and it helps your business grow and do
it whatever by all means. Because we don't have rules anymore,
like you said, we don't have to go through we
can eliminate the middleman and have control. And I don't
think everyone has that mindset to take control of their
(21:03):
own life and ownership because it's a lot of work.
I mean it is, but not everything. Yeah, if you
want it, I guess.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
That's exactly right. That was another part of my whole
story was, you know, I kept getting fired and I
had this dream. I knew I couldn't work for anybody else. Again,
I hated the thought of being told I was so okay, Darren,
before you can hit this music thing, you got to
become your own boss. So that was a whole nother
thing you mentioned being an entrepreneur, So I've basically, you know,
I decided to pursue two of the toughest things in
(21:32):
the world, rock music and entrepreneurship. All the time, I
was like, if I hit both of them's got to
work right. So right, So it's kind of cool that
the way it all happened where I kind of you know,
became a coach help other people kind of see the lights,
you know, just to transform their mindset. That's how my
initial coaching program started, just helping people with their mindset.
(21:52):
Nice and like you said before, you know, it's got
clear in your brain before you are going to go
do the things you have to do, you know, you
got to find that fire first. You can't just do
it for a couple of weeks and hope it works
and do it for the money or this or that. Man,
You gotta this has to be powered by pure grit
and desire and heart and passion and that fire inside
you as a human being to want to go capture
(22:13):
your potential. But once I can see the fire is lit.
And some people can do this, you know, part time
while they while they do their normal job. You don't
have to quit your job. You know, a lot of
people can work regular jobs and instead of you know,
being on Netflix three hours a day, grind on your
dream you know, or you know what I'm saying, there's
there's a there's a If it's important enough to you,
you're going to find a way to put the time
(22:34):
in to figure it out. And nowadays, as you know,
google YouTube, you can learn how you all kinds of stuff.
You know. True, if I have a heart to figure
out what to do, it's just coming up with the
fire and the fuel and the chip on your shoulder
and the f you that you know, you got to
add a little bit of a chip, a little bit
of a fu to you to get this thing going,
you know, So don't be afraid to tap into that
(22:54):
chip on your shoulder. You can drive the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Okay, it was you. Okay, I love that, you know,
I love we say you're your coach and you you
help people like get that mindset of you know, do
you feel like what would you like? What are the
top three things that people do that blocks them from
their I don't know their goals?
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, I think the main thing is is that they
just they listen to the cynicism everywhere when you when
you announce or in any way that you want to
pursue a dream, you know, And so it's just it's
just eliminating that cynical thing that goes on. It's having
having the wherewithal to figure out what your dream is.
(23:34):
What is it like some people? What's your dream? A
lot of people can't answer it, you know, so so
ignore the cynicism, figure out what it is. And once
you figure out what it is and you ignore all
the cynicism, I have a feeling those are the two things.
They're going to light the fire that you need, which
is the third thing is get that fire going and
just go, go, go, and only two outcomes will happen.
(23:56):
You'll either do it. How cool would that be? Or
you'll never wondering. You'll never wonder what would have happened?
You know, And that's powerful. I saw a thing recently.
There's a video or something somewhere where a lot of
people in their nineties, one hundred years old or whatever
at nursing homes. They don't regret what they did. They
regret all the things they didn't do that they wish
they would have done. Now they wonder what I could
(24:20):
have been, what could have happened if I would have
given it everything I had? And you know, and it's
like like if you're too old to be pursued baseball.
That was your dream you were a kid, Start a
podcast about baseball, become a coach, become a you know,
a pr person. You know, there's so many jobs associated
with pro baseball that there, you know, there are no excuses.
Oh I'm too old, I'm to this. No, you're not
(24:41):
ques saying that, you know. So so yeah, there's there's
power in believing and ignoring certain things and finding the
fire and a lot of it. Like I said, that
personal developed development journey's going to be a lonely ride.
But I think loneliness is the path to greatness.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Say that again, let's go, let's go. Loneliness is the
past the greatness. That is so true, because really good
to hear, because it is. You have to eliminate the noise,
because it's it's all it's not all noises, not good noise.
You need to, you know, erase that and listen to
self and that that God given particle that we all have.
(25:19):
Follow it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
It just got chills, seriously, I mean, this is the
lonely thing getting to your greatness. It's a lot of
us saying no to certain energies. It's saying no going
to certain places with people that aren't good for you.
It's a lot of lone time. Same to you. I
haven't talked to someone like you like this. I love it.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
It's like sometimes we outgrow come from some of our
old stuff. We'd used to do right, but we're not
big enough to hang out with all the top the
elite people. So we're in this weird little no man's
land hill or gap or whatever you wanna call a
little trail or whatever. But if you keep going, you
are going to be hanging out with all the people
that inspired you. You're gonna have a pass to all
(26:01):
these events, and you're gonna have page your dues, and
you're gonna it's gonna be different by authenticity and that
fire that we talk about, So that that little lonely time,
that's that's part of it. So embrace it, you know,
almost like smiling a couple of lyrics my future song
and say smile in the rain, you know, Embrace the pain,
Enjoy the pain almost like it's growth, it's experience, it's
(26:24):
you know, and I think I think you mentioned a
while ago, you know, how bad do you want it?
You know? And and I as an artist who really
wanted to see what I was capable of. I had
to do it. That my happiness depending on it, you know,
while I'm here on earth, I want to be happy.
I don't want I don't want to wonder what if.
And so there's power in the in the alone path,
(26:46):
you know. And yeah, I encourage everybody that has that
spark something's not right, don't be afraid to do it alone.
Like you said, so thank you for for the awesome vibes.
And it's so awesome talking to you about this. This
is awesome. I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, no, thank you, thank you. You know it's And
I'm curious too when when it comes to performing, when
you get back on stage, are you are you looking
forward to to performing these these new songs in front
of people and and like that that energy, because I'm
sure that's I don't I've never I don't know what
that feels like, but I can only imagine how that
(27:18):
feels to perform.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh, yasha, I have a microphone ride here. I run
around my my man cave and sing to these songs.
I can't wait to go back to the old on
Tracy Lane Archives and get a bunch of kind of
do like current versions of those songs, and I got
a bunch more on going to release, so oh my gosh,
I dream about it. I had to take a dorkey
(27:40):
relaxing tea at night to sleep.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You know. Oh, you're like up, You're like up up?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Yeah, I saw, I saw. You know, some people want
it kind of bad, some people want it a little
bit bad. Some people want it bad, and then some
people are obsessed. You know, I have a fail me.
I'm trying to be a good day and not get divorced,
but I'm definitely I'm definitely obsessed with just the potential
and seeing how far we can take it. You know,
to me, it's like I got past the harp park.
This is the funk part. Let's have fun. That's why
(28:09):
I said before. I want to have jacuzzi's on stage
and fan partying, and I want to have explosions, probably
away from the jacuzzi, but you know, just like a
rock show full of energy, of wall and guitars. You know,
I don't know, I just oh, I yes, so yes,
let's go. I cannot wait to play live.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I can't wait to let me know I'd love to come.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I will thank you, thank you. Yeah, and I can't
wait to hear more about what you're doing. And I
know you're out there doing your thing, so kudos you
keep it up and keep me up thereate on what
you're doing. This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Yeah, definitely, definitely really quick. I love asking this question too.
If you could, you know, work with any artists living
or dead, who would it be? And why?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
You know what I mean, it's crazy. I'm gonna I
have two answers. My old school answer is bon Jovi.
I'm a I'm a dorky bon Jovi guy. His his
range is a little bit higher than mine, so it's
great to warm up with. But currently I can't. I
have a song coming out as I want to party
with post Malone. I have a song. I have a
(29:14):
song called that. He's so cool. He's such a nice guy.
How cool he is to everybody. You know, He's a
guy that persevered through all this. He was ridiculed, he
was kind of a loner, you know all that. So yeah,
so if I got to hang out with bon Joey
you pick his brain and then party with post Malone,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Well that's a quick, good U good question, he said,
pick his brain what would you ask him if you
if you could.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
You know, I just I just I love his the
way he's like kept it all about music and rock
and roll. We don't know what his political thing is.
We don't know what. You know, There's never been much
drama with him. You know. He's he's just a through
and through. Uh, He's a rock legend, you know. And
I just want to hear about like the songwriting process,
(29:58):
you know, and just like you know, like does he
come up with like little ideas here and there? Is
it full songs? Is in middle of the night? Does
he have to because I can't like plan to write. Okay,
at four point thirty we're gonna have a writing session.
I would have nothing there, Darren yeates, he sucks. He's
just sitting there. You know. I have to be in
the middle of the night with a tear or some
kind of a thought or some kind of inspiration or
(30:20):
some kind you know, I mean some kind of a
in emotion that that that creates a line or a
lyric or something. So I would like to pick his
brain about just you know, the the artist songwriting and
and his his like real process, not the cool stuff
he says in the press. I want to hear I
want to hear, you know, I don't know just the
I would love to hear that that process that he
goes through, Yeah that's awesome and check out. Yeah I got,
(30:44):
I got. I got to add a caveat to that.
This is this is kind of wild and crazy. But
I did it. My ash girlfriend not in La used
to work for Bond joke, I might, I might get uh.
I think I think the legal things done. I think
we're good. But I I had his address. I did.
I was a runner for Saban Entertainment. I did an
errand out there. I was a little you know, a
runner driver or whatever. And I realized I was in
Malibu and I had bon Joby's address. So I went
(31:05):
and knocked on. I went and anyway, I got through
the intercome, I got through the gate. I didn't know
it was. I didn't realize where I was walking to.
I walked down a little a little road off p H.
I kept walking. Okay, I guess I'll leave. I can't
find his number. Meanwhile, that that that walkway was all
the way to his basically his driver to his awesome
gigantic house. And I knocked on his door, and I
(31:28):
got to be real good friends with his handyman. So
I want to ask him, do you remember when I
when I talked to you on the intercom that second
question asked?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, perfect question. I love that.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was like I wasn't trying to stalk or be weird.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I was.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I was. I just wanted to hang out with John
and asking him some advice about the rock music stuff.
You know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
That is awesome. Wow, I love that. I love that
really quick. What what advice would you give your younger
self if you could go back.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I would tell my younger self to take the internet
more seriously because when I first, you know, started going
through some weird times and the on Tracy Lincoln was
kind of you know, petering out a little bit. It
was losing steam, and the Internet was starting to happen,
you know, twenty which is nine, twenty twelve, twenty tenor
whatever whatever it was when we really started getting momentum.
I guess yeah, And I, you know, I didn't really
(32:27):
see that. I don't know, I was kind of burn out.
I need to go through a bunch of stuff. You know.
That's when I met my wife and stuff. So well,
besides that, Hey, Darren, take the take the internet more serious.
I would just tell myself, you know what, Darren, give
it everything you got and it's you. You know. Actually,
the more I think about that question, if I didn't
go through everything I went through, I wouldn't be doing
(32:48):
this with the music that I'm dealing with. So it's
almost like I don't know, I you know, Oh my gosh,
this is this is gonna be a great segue. No regrets,
only greatness, you know what I mean. That's that's kind
of what I Yeah, I mean, I I have no regrets. Yeah,
let's go that rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Let's go. That's right. Where can people find you on
social media? Follow everything you have going on?
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, you know what. Just Darren Yates dot com is
my main website. You can click on music and click
on coaching. There Darren Yates U D A R R
y N Darren Yates or the I'm on the at
the Darren Yates Show on Instagram. But yeah, just just
search Darren Yates and you'll find me and say, hey.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Awesome, definitely, thank you so much. This was a pleasure,
so much fun chatting with you. You gave me so
much energy. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And you have to thank you so much. And I
just want to tell people you know. And my fourth
song coming out after No Regrets Owning Great this is
a song called Swing for the Fences. And then my
fifth song is gonna be called Freaks, Rebels and Weirdos.
So whatever time you're listening to this, maybe and check
out some myself on Spotify. But there's a lot more
new original retro retro rock music coming. So thank you
for everything, and you've been awesome. You rock co graps
(34:01):
you and go look with everything you're doing.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Thank you, Thank you so much, and and thank you
all for listening and always remember to live, love, laugh.
We'll see you guys next time. Byebye,
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.